WEBVTT - Wearable Tech - Lab 089 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:09.200 I'm TT and I'm Zakiah, and this is Dope Labs. 0:00:11.360 --> 0:00:14.560 Welcome to Dope Labs, a weekly podcast that mixes hardcore 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:22.759 science with pop culture and a healthy dose of friendship. Girl, 0:00:23.160 --> 0:00:26.160 let me tell you about this Apple Watch and how 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:29.080 it saved my life. Okay, I didn't have a fall 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:33.760 or anything, but I got a high heart rate notification 0:00:33.960 --> 0:00:35.120 when I was dating this man. 0:00:35.240 --> 0:00:38.840 He was stressing me out, and for the Apple Watch 0:00:38.920 --> 0:00:41.520 to say to me, Hey, you have an elevated heart 0:00:41.600 --> 0:00:45.800 rate even though you're not moving around, it was like, Wow, 0:00:45.920 --> 0:00:48.120 you in danger, I said, this man trying to kill me? 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:56.920 An Apple Watch knows? Okay, where your fitness devices save yourself? 0:00:57.640 --> 0:01:00.280 Good God, But that just makes me think of about 0:01:00.360 --> 0:01:02.640 all of this wearable tech that a lot of us 0:01:02.720 --> 0:01:05.399 are wearing and the notifications that we get. So I 0:01:05.400 --> 0:01:07.560 think that that is a great topic for us to 0:01:07.600 --> 0:01:10.040 talk about today. Let's jump into the recitation. 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:12.880 Well, I already told my story, but what do you 0:01:12.920 --> 0:01:14.679 want to know? What else do you want to know? 0:01:15.840 --> 0:01:18.080 I think it's good to start from the beginning, like 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:21.120 who started all of this and what made it boom 0:01:21.160 --> 0:01:23.080 the way that it has. It feels like everyone has 0:01:23.120 --> 0:01:24.640 some type of device on their body. 0:01:24.840 --> 0:01:27.360 Yes, And when did it become cool? Because I remember 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:29.399 when people are like, can't believe you're dressed up and 0:01:29.440 --> 0:01:31.160 got on an Apple Watch. It you got on a 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:32.520 wiz Kid watch or whatever. 0:01:32.600 --> 0:01:36.040 You know. They still saying that. They're like, oh, leave 0:01:36.040 --> 0:01:38.520 that Apple Watch at home when you're going to someplace fancy. 0:01:38.959 --> 0:01:40.480 I'm like, well, how am I supposed to get these 0:01:40.520 --> 0:01:41.600 steps at this work dinner? 0:01:41.680 --> 0:01:46.839 Huh mm? And along with steps, there's also like heart 0:01:46.920 --> 0:01:51.000 rate information, breathing. Some of this wearable technology is letting 0:01:51.040 --> 0:01:53.760 you tell if your stress level is high. I want 0:01:53.800 --> 0:01:56.400 to know how useful all that information is when it 0:01:56.440 --> 0:02:00.640 comes to like healthcare and your PCP or a primary 0:02:00.640 --> 0:02:03.080 care physician looking at it and saying, hey, here's what 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:04.240 you gotta do next. 0:02:04.400 --> 0:02:07.040 Right, And the engineer and me like, I want to 0:02:07.080 --> 0:02:08.760 know how this stuff works because sometimes I look down 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:10.400 in my Apple Watch and I see that green light 0:02:10.440 --> 0:02:13.840 glowing and I'm like, okay, what are you doing? So 0:02:14.040 --> 0:02:17.240 I want to know how all this stuff works like 0:02:17.320 --> 0:02:19.000 inside of these devices. 0:02:19.480 --> 0:02:23.880 Yes, And the consumer in me, okay, the gadget. 0:02:23.480 --> 0:02:25.920 Girl and me knows my friend loves a gadget. 0:02:26.080 --> 0:02:29.399 I do Apple watch or ring. I remember the fit 0:02:29.480 --> 0:02:33.880 bit yep, I remember whoop? But like, what are the 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:36.440 other ones out there? What's new, what's coming? And what 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:39.480 do I need to buy next? And what's capturing which 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:43.320 data points? Because that really, I feel like, determines what 0:02:43.360 --> 0:02:44.520 you should have right. 0:02:44.560 --> 0:02:46.760 And my friend she also loves a lot of data 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:50.000 on herself. She wants everybody to send their numbers in. 0:02:50.040 --> 0:02:53.040 But I feel like there might be a little bit 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:57.160 too much information, you know, And so I want to know. 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:00.280 Is there a such thing as too much data? Is 0:03:00.280 --> 0:03:01.840 it overwhelming us? It's overwhelming me? 0:03:02.320 --> 0:03:04.760 Not me, I'm throwing in Google sheets, let's look at it. 0:03:05.639 --> 0:03:10.120 But for the people that are collecting their data like me, 0:03:10.360 --> 0:03:13.799 is somebody else collecting it? Is somebody else possibly selling it? 0:03:14.120 --> 0:03:14.760 Oh? 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:17.720 That's scary mm hmm. I want to know because we 0:03:17.720 --> 0:03:20.560 saw what happened with twenty three and me companies up 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:22.600 for sale along with your data. 0:03:22.680 --> 0:03:23.720 Oh my gosh. 0:03:23.800 --> 0:03:27.200 Yeah, I think that's a great start of questions. 0:03:27.680 --> 0:03:29.520 Absolutely, let's jump into the dissection. 0:03:34.160 --> 0:03:37.520 Our guest expert today is Christopher Memes. He writes about 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:40.440 technology for The Wall Street Journal, and he's the author 0:03:40.520 --> 0:03:41.560 of Arriving Today. 0:03:41.880 --> 0:03:43.960 Christopher We are so excited to have you back on 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:47.280 the show. Me az Akiya are people who wear wearable technology? 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:48.240 You see? 0:03:48.640 --> 0:03:54.400 She has her ring on where did wearable technology begin? 0:03:54.560 --> 0:03:59.120 How did we get here? Who started this? And was 0:03:59.160 --> 0:04:02.320 there an inflex point when it started to become popular. 0:04:02.640 --> 0:04:05.360 I think it all came from our phones in the 0:04:05.360 --> 0:04:07.280 first place, right, Like we take it for granted that 0:04:07.280 --> 0:04:11.000 there are these sensors in our phones. My favorite way 0:04:11.040 --> 0:04:14.440 to describe it is we all remember the first time 0:04:14.480 --> 0:04:18.040 we picked up an iPhone and or a iPad and 0:04:18.080 --> 0:04:20.200 you know, you do this and you turn it ninety 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:22.440 degrees and it was like magic because you're like, oh, 0:04:22.520 --> 0:04:24.760 now the YouTube video or whatever is full screen. 0:04:25.120 --> 0:04:25.680 Yeah. 0:04:25.720 --> 0:04:30.080 So that little attitude sensor in there that was key 0:04:30.200 --> 0:04:34.440 to enabling these fitness devices because it, I mean, that's 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:37.400 kind of a miracle technology itself. It's a literal form 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:41.680 of nanotechnology. So the real precedent of that technology is 0:04:42.880 --> 0:04:45.480 this thing that was the size of the basketball which 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:48.520 flew on the first missions to the Moon, and it 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:52.360 was attitude sensor so that they could orient the spacecraft 0:04:52.400 --> 0:04:55.200 as it was coming down to land. And you know, 0:04:55.279 --> 0:04:57.920 it was a very early computer. It was built by IBM, 0:04:58.080 --> 0:05:00.680 and that has been so miniaturized now that it is 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:03.839 the size of a poppy seed on one microchip inside 0:05:03.839 --> 0:05:06.279 your phone, and so then of course it's easy to 0:05:06.279 --> 0:05:08.479 put it into like a fitbit or an Apple Watch, 0:05:08.839 --> 0:05:12.000 and it's super accurate. You know. That's why your watch 0:05:12.160 --> 0:05:15.920 can identify different exercises that you're doing without even telling it. 0:05:16.440 --> 0:05:17.120 That's crazy. 0:05:17.320 --> 0:05:21.560 An attitude censor. The key needs one of those, and 0:05:21.640 --> 0:05:22.920 not just for orientation. 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:28.839 Well, I think when they came out with the Apple Watch, 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:31.520 there was a lot of skepticism. Everybody was like, you know, 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:34.479 the iPhone is enormous. You're never going to build a 0:05:34.480 --> 0:05:36.400 business that's on the same scale, So why are you 0:05:36.480 --> 0:05:40.080 even trying? And then I think maybe five years into 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:44.200 sales of the Apple Watch, somebody did a calculation and 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:46.039 they were like, you know, if you broke this business 0:05:46.040 --> 0:05:49.120 out on its own, it would be a fortune one 0:05:49.160 --> 0:05:53.440 hundred company by itself by revenue. But Apple's so big 0:05:53.480 --> 0:05:55.480 that it's like to them, it's like a rounding error 0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:58.760 because it's five to ten percent of their iPhone revenue. 0:05:58.800 --> 0:06:02.960 I mean, Cook famously is extremely focused on health. He 0:06:03.000 --> 0:06:05.920 has said in interviews, I think better health is going 0:06:05.960 --> 0:06:09.200 to be Apple's greatest contribution to humanity, like that he 0:06:09.240 --> 0:06:10.960 wants that to be his legacy. 0:06:10.839 --> 0:06:13.240 And it seems like doctors are buying into that idea. 0:06:13.680 --> 0:06:16.280 In your article, you mentioned that some doctors are recommending 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:18.560 the Apple Watch to patients to help them manage their 0:06:18.600 --> 0:06:23.440 health conditions. Could you elaborate, aside from the attitude sensor, like, 0:06:23.560 --> 0:06:25.800 what are some of the other specific features that make 0:06:25.880 --> 0:06:29.600 this particularly useful for a medical setting. Yeah. 0:06:29.640 --> 0:06:34.920 So, obviously, as America's population ages, we've overcome the big 0:06:35.000 --> 0:06:37.800 killers of the past. People aren't dying from pneumonia anymore, 0:06:38.560 --> 0:06:41.320 and so, you know, we age, and obviously heart disease 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:44.080 and cancer become the big killers. So you just have 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:48.120 tons of especially boomers, now aging into that time of 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:54.120 life when they might need intermittent or continuous monitoring of 0:06:54.200 --> 0:06:59.360 their heart. And one of the kind of really pivotal 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:02.919 innovation for the Apple Watch as a medical device was 0:07:03.000 --> 0:07:07.560 giving it the ability to do a live essentially EKG. 0:07:07.800 --> 0:07:08.080 Yeah. 0:07:08.200 --> 0:07:10.960 Right, you can take a recording and if you're having 0:07:11.000 --> 0:07:13.800 like an abnormal event or your doctor wants to look 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:16.440 out for, you know, something's wrong with the rhythm of 0:07:16.480 --> 0:07:19.080 your heart, you can just record it. On your watch 0:07:19.160 --> 0:07:21.560 and email it to your doctor. And that's such a 0:07:21.560 --> 0:07:23.240 breakthrough the fact that you can do that on the 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:27.640 cheapest Apple watch, the Apple Watch. See, doctors are basically 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:29.960 prescribing it. They're saying, this happened to my own mother. Actually, 0:07:30.000 --> 0:07:32.440 the doctor said, just go get one of these watches 0:07:33.000 --> 0:07:36.600 and then do this monitoring so many times per day 0:07:37.040 --> 0:07:38.200 and send me the results. 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:42.480 Chris, you and Zakia are ring wearers, and Zee you 0:07:42.520 --> 0:07:45.360 have the or ring, right yep, and Chris you have 0:07:45.520 --> 0:07:49.400 the ultra humans. So let's talk about rings. They feel 0:07:49.400 --> 0:07:52.480 like the next step in the technology. Zeqia is the 0:07:52.480 --> 0:07:55.240 first person that I know personally, so I could see 0:07:55.360 --> 0:07:58.440 the ring on their finger and she was explaining to me. 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:00.880 She was showing me all this data and I was like, Okay, 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:05.320 my Apple watch cannot do that. What do you think 0:08:05.800 --> 0:08:09.640 sets this new ring technology that people have sets it 0:08:09.680 --> 0:08:13.080 apart from the Apple watches and the fitbits. What was 0:08:13.120 --> 0:08:16.800 the change in the technology that helped the ring, the 0:08:16.960 --> 0:08:19.440 or ring, or the ultra human ring become what it 0:08:19.480 --> 0:08:19.960 is today. 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:22.559 Well, I think it's pretty simple actually, So like here's 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:26.440 my ring and the sensors are on the bottom and 0:08:26.480 --> 0:08:29.520 the sensors go on this bottom part of your finger, 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:32.560 and you know what do we have right there? Actually 0:08:32.600 --> 0:08:34.120 I'm not an anonymous, so I don't know. I don't 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:35.520 know if it's a vein or an artery. I think 0:08:35.559 --> 0:08:36.160 it's an artery. 0:08:36.240 --> 0:08:37.280 You're right, it's an artery. 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:39.760 And that is a really great place for a sensor, 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:41.280 is right on the bottom of your finger where you 0:08:41.280 --> 0:08:43.240 have an artery, Whereas if you have a smart watch 0:08:43.280 --> 0:08:46.000 and it's sitting on top of your wrist, this is 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:49.400 actually a terrible place for a sensor because this is 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:53.160 your veins. There's so much information you can get when 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:55.400 you put this light sensor right up against the artery 0:08:55.640 --> 0:08:57.520 that is close to the skin. So that's really the 0:08:57.600 --> 0:09:00.840 key thing. Like I think in theory, the best possible 0:09:01.000 --> 0:09:03.200 device would be like a choker and it would be 0:09:03.240 --> 0:09:05.960 like right on your carotid artery right here. I mean, 0:09:06.000 --> 0:09:08.400 you would get so much data be like, oh, your 0:09:08.400 --> 0:09:10.440 brain is low on oxygen right now, like you need 0:09:10.480 --> 0:09:13.640 to stand up or something. It's as simple as that, 0:09:13.720 --> 0:09:15.880 which is why it blows me away that Apple hasn't 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:17.400 tried to make a ring yet. I mean, again, I 0:09:17.400 --> 0:09:19.880 think the watch is good enough. They're able to gather 0:09:19.960 --> 0:09:21.560 a lot of data. But the other thing you can 0:09:21.640 --> 0:09:23.560 get from putting a sensor right here on your finger 0:09:23.800 --> 0:09:29.280 is this measure of basically how hard your arteries are, 0:09:30.240 --> 0:09:32.480 which predicts, you know, heart disease. 0:09:32.840 --> 0:09:35.000 Yeah, and it's because what they do is there's. 0:09:34.880 --> 0:09:37.720 A measure of like how fast the blood is flowing 0:09:38.120 --> 0:09:41.720 during a particular period in the cycle of your heart beating, 0:09:42.160 --> 0:09:45.280 and by measuring the velocity of the blood at that moment, 0:09:46.080 --> 0:09:48.160 they can get it's a proxy for her, like how 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:49.160 hard your arteries are. 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:52.440 So you tell me they're looking at it, say too 0:09:52.520 --> 0:09:55.720 much cholesterol in there, yeah, or if there's a plaque 0:09:55.720 --> 0:09:56.120 build up. 0:09:57.040 --> 0:10:01.360 But it's really about the elasticity of you or blood vessels, 0:10:01.400 --> 0:10:04.160 because that is a really big factor in terms of 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:07.160 your health. But Tekia, I really want to hear how 0:10:07.160 --> 0:10:08.800 this ring has changed your life, because I'm like a 0:10:08.800 --> 0:10:12.280 collector of these stories. It always blows me away. How 0:10:12.480 --> 0:10:14.880 wearing one of these rings for tt if you want 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:17.880 to talk about the watch change your behavior, how did 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:20.040 it change your behavior? Because this ring has really changed 0:10:20.040 --> 0:10:20.520 my behavior. 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:21.400 It has changed her. 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:23.960 The ring has changed me. Okay, this was a gift. 0:10:23.960 --> 0:10:27.200 I've only had it for like three months, and I 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:29.959 had started working out more and a different kind of 0:10:30.000 --> 0:10:33.079 working out because TT's husband has been my trainer. Anybody 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:34.600 looking to run, Wow, he's your guy. 0:10:34.640 --> 0:10:38.760 Okay. I was getting, first of all, a rash from 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:42.000 wearing this Apple Watch. Okay, And you need to charge 0:10:42.040 --> 0:10:44.160 it so often, and so I will put it on 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:46.080 the charger. I would leave it off for days. It 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:48.760 just wasn't I'm not consistent with my Apple Watch. It 0:10:48.800 --> 0:10:52.360 dies on my arm. I don't want all of those 0:10:52.400 --> 0:10:54.839 notifications I'm getting, and I feel like I turned them off, 0:10:54.840 --> 0:10:57.400 but I'm still getting notifications. The ring I put it 0:10:57.440 --> 0:10:59.200 on once I got used to it for like two 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:01.440 or three days. It's like, set it and forget it. 0:11:01.440 --> 0:11:04.680 It's a rotisserie chicken. You know. I put it away. 0:11:05.040 --> 0:11:06.439 I don't think about it. 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:08.840 And wait a minute, I need to know more about 0:11:09.120 --> 0:11:11.000 how you just leave the rotissary chicken out. 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:15.360 Oh wait, do you not remember those informations that set 0:11:15.400 --> 0:11:15.640 it in? 0:11:16.240 --> 0:11:16.800 Oh? 0:11:16.840 --> 0:11:21.240 And they now, I do believe in food safety. Do 0:11:21.280 --> 0:11:23.120 not set it and forget it with your rotissory chicken. 0:11:24.400 --> 0:11:29.160 But wearing the ring, I felt like I didn't have 0:11:29.200 --> 0:11:31.760 to think about it. It was able to get consistent monitoring, 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:34.440 and I wasn't on and off, and it gave me 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:37.640 some really good insights around, like my sleep is never 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:41.800 it was never right. Okay, it's not she's not sleeping, 0:11:42.240 --> 0:11:44.280 like I haven't been resting. I've had a lot of 0:11:44.360 --> 0:11:47.319 day stress. When I realized those things, I'm like, Okay, 0:11:47.320 --> 0:11:49.240 what was I doing today. I'm starting to put in tags. 0:11:49.280 --> 0:11:52.120 Everything's in one place for the or ring every night. 0:11:52.160 --> 0:11:54.040 I'm putting all that stuff in. I'm looking at the day. 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:57.079 It's been easy for me and I don't have to 0:11:57.160 --> 0:12:00.040 charge it. And even the prompts didn't feel like I 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:01.200 don't know if it was the apps I was using. 0:12:01.240 --> 0:12:03.160 It felt like a little condescending some of those prompts. 0:12:03.600 --> 0:12:05.640 I didn't like those notifications I was getting. 0:12:05.679 --> 0:12:07.920 I know what you mean, yeah, Apple Watch. I just 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:09.640 felt like it was shaming me. Is like, how come 0:12:09.760 --> 0:12:13.040 I stood up in two hours? I'm like, I'm working exactly. 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:16.040 That's the reason why me and my Apple Watch don't 0:12:16.040 --> 0:12:19.320 get along. Like it's phases. I want all of that 0:12:19.360 --> 0:12:22.760 health stuff off, Like if you take a ten minute walk, 0:12:22.800 --> 0:12:24.760 you can don't tell me to get up and take 0:12:24.760 --> 0:12:27.360 a ten minute walk. I'm barely making it through the day. 0:12:27.800 --> 0:12:29.600 I don't want to hear that. I just want to know, 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:33.520 did I just get an email? Perfect? I can see 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:36.240 that a text message. So I'm like the opposite where 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:38.480 it's like I don't need all that health data. I 0:12:38.520 --> 0:12:41.040 just need I want to be more efficient in everything else. 0:12:41.559 --> 0:12:43.079 But I know I'm an anomaly. 0:12:43.840 --> 0:12:44.880 No, I don't think you are. 0:12:45.080 --> 0:12:47.480 I have heard from the people who make these rings 0:12:48.200 --> 0:12:50.800 that I think like two thirds of their users have 0:12:50.880 --> 0:12:51.960 a watch and a ring. 0:12:52.520 --> 0:12:54.760 The ring is one thing, m hm that it feels 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:59.240 like an advance. But you've been also trying out the 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:01.880 continuous blade glucose monitors and I've seen those. 0:13:03.120 --> 0:13:04.440 Yes, what's the scoop? 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:07.320 So this is wild? Like I was hesitant to try 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:12.880 this because it is in your body. It's a tiny, 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:17.360 tiny bit. Okay, So there's a very fine little metal lead. 0:13:17.559 --> 0:13:18.560 This is gonna sound terrible. 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:21.839 It sounds like just like. 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:24.200 Demolition man stuff. There's an applicator and you put it 0:13:24.200 --> 0:13:26.120 on and you go like and it goes junk and 0:13:26.160 --> 0:13:29.679 it makes this loud noise and this tiny, tiny little 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:33.000 metal wire. It does not penetrate the skin. It goes 0:13:33.280 --> 0:13:37.880 just below the epidermis. Into I guess, like the interstitial fluid. 0:13:37.920 --> 0:13:43.240 It's just below your skin and there, I guess glucose 0:13:43.280 --> 0:13:45.760 is circulating even though it's not penetrating any blood vessels. 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:49.199 And the wild thing about it is the more sophisticated 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:51.640 ones have this little like it's almost like when you 0:13:51.800 --> 0:13:53.720 go to the store and you just pay with touch lists, 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:55.560 like with your watch or your phone, and you just 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:58.080 tap your phone to the sensor and it goes like 0:13:58.120 --> 0:14:01.360 beep boop, and then immediately download your glucose data and 0:14:01.400 --> 0:14:03.440 so you get this continuous monitoring you can check out 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:05.920 anytime you want, and the way it gets sold. You know, 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:08.400 I'm sure you've seen these ads. There's tons of influencers 0:14:08.600 --> 0:14:11.400 on Instagram love this. It is a lot of data 0:14:11.840 --> 0:14:14.360 and like, I feel like it can be misused, but 0:14:14.480 --> 0:14:17.760 when I did it, it just was helpful because it 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:20.640 kind of helped me realize I need to be taking 0:14:20.680 --> 0:14:24.880 seriously all of the advice about slow carbs and when 0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:28.240 do you eat, and because it will show you how 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:32.160 you respond to various foods, how you respond to exercise, 0:14:33.080 --> 0:14:35.240 does your blood sugar change, you know, if you're tired, 0:14:36.040 --> 0:14:39.200 and it kind of just I mean, these are things 0:14:39.200 --> 0:14:40.960 that I think we could all probably figure out on 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:43.840 our own if we had a skilled nutritionist kind of 0:14:43.880 --> 0:14:45.560 in our ear all the time. But it's just like 0:14:45.600 --> 0:14:48.880 the watch of the ring. It's very convenient, and you 0:14:48.920 --> 0:14:52.160 know how humans are, We need reinforcement. We have to 0:14:52.200 --> 0:14:54.400 be told over and over and get day in and 0:14:54.480 --> 0:14:56.800 day out to like break down our mental barriers to 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:10.320 learning these things. 0:15:14.080 --> 0:15:16.440 Do you feel like there's a such thing as too 0:15:16.520 --> 0:15:19.080 much information? Where do you think we should draw the 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:26.200 line between beneficial health checking and potential over reliance on technology? 0:15:26.840 --> 0:15:29.200 Yeah, I do think there's a such a thing as 0:15:29.200 --> 0:15:31.240 too much information. I mean, this is why I use 0:15:31.680 --> 0:15:34.640 a ring and not a watch, because I actually only 0:15:34.680 --> 0:15:37.400 want to check my sleep in activity maybe a couple 0:15:37.480 --> 0:15:41.200 times a day, and I don't want anything sending me 0:15:41.240 --> 0:15:44.240 alerts and reminding me. I'm like, yeah, I know I 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:46.920 haven't exercised this morning, Like that's going to happen this afternoon, 0:15:47.000 --> 0:15:51.280 Like stop hassling me. The blood Guckost monitor also, I 0:15:51.320 --> 0:15:55.320 felt like it was valuable, But the more I investigated it, 0:15:55.360 --> 0:15:58.520 the more I found that a lot of the sort 0:15:58.560 --> 0:16:02.280 of chatter around it on social is people observing what 0:16:02.400 --> 0:16:06.760 are normal variations in blood glucose throughout the day, and 0:16:06.840 --> 0:16:09.760 they were pathologizing them and saying like, oh, you know 0:16:10.240 --> 0:16:14.240 this just happened. I saw this, so I shouldn't eat 0:16:14.280 --> 0:16:17.360 this food ever. And it's like, no, this is your 0:16:17.360 --> 0:16:20.000 blood sugar does go up and down if it is 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:23.400 out of control, and then yes, you need to see 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:26.920 a medical doctor. So I think that there is this 0:16:27.040 --> 0:16:33.400 potential for people to really just over focus on certain measures. 0:16:33.840 --> 0:16:36.200 Yeah, I mean, the data is only as good as 0:16:36.560 --> 0:16:40.680 the people who are reading it, Like, you have to 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:44.120 know what the data means. You have to understand those things. So, 0:16:44.560 --> 0:16:46.360 like you were saying in the beginning, doing this in 0:16:46.400 --> 0:16:50.000 conjunction with your doctor so that they can explain these 0:16:50.000 --> 0:16:52.800 things and give you context. I feel like makes the 0:16:52.880 --> 0:16:55.760 data that much better and over. 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:58.520 A long period of time, Like don't go checking the 0:16:58.720 --> 0:17:03.960 exhale sheet between your epidermis and drmis every twenty minutes, 0:17:04.080 --> 0:17:06.320 like it's just going to alarm you, you know. 0:17:06.840 --> 0:17:11.920 Right, hyperfixation on getting your data just right seems very 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:17.120 excessive because how much will it really extend your life to. 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:18.800 Never mineccounts teaching. 0:17:20.119 --> 0:17:21.480 Listen, in the world we live in in I need 0:17:21.600 --> 0:17:25.000 less minutes, okay, which I. 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:27.320 Feel like, now we have to talk about Brian Johnson. 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:31.080 Let's get to let's get to it. Let's get to it. 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:35.399 Okay, So Brian Johnson he made his money on a 0:17:35.440 --> 0:17:37.800 company called Braintree, which is a you know, payments platform, 0:17:38.160 --> 0:17:40.920 so it's like Square or one of these. His net 0:17:41.080 --> 0:17:44.320 from the sale of that company was probably north of 0:17:44.359 --> 0:17:47.160 three hundred million, So he's set for life. And then 0:17:47.280 --> 0:17:51.640 he's like, you know, does the like typical Silicon Valley 0:17:51.720 --> 0:17:56.280 divorced guy thing, has some drama, and then decides, I'm 0:17:56.320 --> 0:17:59.160 going to commit myself to not dying. That's his motto, 0:17:59.320 --> 0:18:03.920 don't die. And now he is famous for having these 0:18:04.560 --> 0:18:07.639 special dinners with other celebrities like the Kardashians or whoever, 0:18:08.280 --> 0:18:12.000 where he's like, here's my extremely strict diet. He doesn't 0:18:12.040 --> 0:18:16.520 eat after eleven am. I think it's vegan, and he 0:18:17.000 --> 0:18:19.480 has He spends more than a million dollars a year 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:24.840 on tests and this kind of full time longevity doctor 0:18:25.240 --> 0:18:28.920 who is helping him figure out ways that he sees 0:18:29.000 --> 0:18:31.959 himself as a pioneer, ways that we can all live longer. 0:18:32.080 --> 0:18:35.479 So primarily for him, that's caloric restriction, you know, it's 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:38.080 eating and taking all these supplements that he thinks are 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:43.440 going to help him into accidents whatever. And avoiding the sun. 0:18:44.320 --> 0:18:46.480 He's definitely not seen the sun in at least two years. 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:49.120 And then his latest thing, I don't know if he saw, 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:52.840 is he's getting really into the hyperbaric oxygen chamber. He 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:56.080 said that's the next breakthrough for him. And he has 0:18:56.400 --> 0:18:59.159 created a movement called Don't Die and it's amazing to 0:18:59.320 --> 0:19:03.639 me how it has become this big Silicon Valley subculture 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:06.440 that has broken out of that and now like they're 0:19:06.480 --> 0:19:09.640 kind of accolytes everywhere. And he jokes like, yeah, I'm 0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:12.840 starting a cult, and it's a cult to make you 0:19:13.000 --> 0:19:13.880 go to bed on time. 0:19:14.400 --> 0:19:16.480 I have never heard of Brian Johnson, and so I 0:19:16.600 --> 0:19:19.680 had to look him up and I found his diet 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:22.800 and I've just got to step through some things with 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:25.600 all of you. So his daily routine and diet, he 0:19:25.640 --> 0:19:29.359 has a calorie intake of about two thousand calories a 0:19:29.480 --> 0:19:33.840 day that is precisely measured, and he eats all his 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:37.960 food in the morning, like Chris was saying, and completes 0:19:38.000 --> 0:19:43.280 them all before noon. And he usually has three main 0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:47.520 items for his three main meals, and it's a green 0:19:47.720 --> 0:19:51.520 or a super veggie meal, a nutty pudding, and the 0:19:51.720 --> 0:19:54.680 third meal is based on the data that he has 0:19:55.560 --> 0:19:59.359 evidence bay fired to figure out what he needs for 0:19:59.480 --> 0:20:03.320 that last meal. And so the core components are one 0:20:03.400 --> 0:20:06.520 hundred percent vegan, and he's focused on whole foods that 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:11.240 have high nutrient density and low glycemic index so to 0:20:11.400 --> 0:20:16.520 avoid blood sugar spikes, and no processed foods, so no sugar, 0:20:16.680 --> 0:20:20.399 no refined grains, and no seed oils. And he takes 0:20:21.000 --> 0:20:24.320 over one hundred pills a day of vitamins and supplements. 0:20:24.600 --> 0:20:27.639 And that hyperbaric therapy, Christopher, that you were talking about, 0:20:28.000 --> 0:20:30.720 that's when you increase the delivery of oxygen to the 0:20:30.800 --> 0:20:35.600 body by providing pure oxygen in an enclosed space. So 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:38.360 he gets into these chambers, it's pumped full of oxygen 0:20:38.359 --> 0:20:41.320 and it's meant to increase the amount of oxygen into 0:20:41.400 --> 0:20:41.840 your body. 0:20:42.680 --> 0:20:45.120 That's crazy, because my multi items are looking at me like, girl, 0:20:45.160 --> 0:20:48.280 when are you returning? When will you have another one to. 0:20:48.320 --> 0:20:51.160