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Speaker 1: highest point in Neiland. You guys, follow me on Instagram

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Speaker 1: at Late Kick, Josh, you can see exactly how high

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Speaker 1: you can get in Kneeland. Man, we got that to

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Speaker 1: at that, and I've said, instead of pretending one hundred

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Speaker 1: why have we not long ago acknowledged that you got

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Speaker 1: the sec and the power of whatever conferences you want

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Speaker 1: to call them. And it's fair enough. Yeah, there's a

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Speaker 1: gulf between Washington State and Florida, but at least we

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Speaker 1: can somewhat except they're chasing the same trophy. But man,

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Speaker 1: past that, why are we trying to shoehorn and carve

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Speaker 1: out special as to make sure we have inclusion in

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Speaker 1: this playoff for teams that have no shot at winning

433
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Speaker 1: the whole thing and don't play a strength of schedule

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Speaker 1: that's anywhere remotely comparable to what some of the big

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Speaker 1: boys do, and instead, why haven't we just built a

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Speaker 1: separate playoff for these teams here? And I was always told, Josh,

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Speaker 1: that's not fair. What's not fair? And I always got silence, Well,

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Speaker 1: you gotta you can't be telling teams they have no shot.

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Speaker 1: I'm advocating the opposite. I'm advocating telling them they do

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Speaker 1: have a shot at something that they can actually obtain.

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Speaker 1: You can tell I don't care how often you tell

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Speaker 1: Coastal Carolina, Yeah, technically you can qualify for the national championship.

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Speaker 1: You simulate this thing a million times. Coastal Carolina is

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Speaker 1: not winning a title, Like, what are we talking about?

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Speaker 1: In that setup? They could anyway. I was always shouted down.

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Speaker 1: Only when the threat of bigger disparity and revenue entered

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Speaker 1: the equation did these people finally start to say, you

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Speaker 1: know what, light bulb above the head, why don't we

449
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Speaker 1: explore a G five playoff? And at this point my

450
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451
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Speaker 1: have to get there. We get there. But then I

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Speaker 1: wonder about the details, and so that's what's not ironed

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Speaker 1: out here. Dennis was very quick to point out in

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Speaker 1: his report. This is nowhere in your finalized but it

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Speaker 1: is being discussed, and the conference commissioners for a lot

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Speaker 1: they're starting to discuss it. Here's my advice. My advice is,

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Speaker 1: you have to replace? And there was a period of

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Speaker 1: time where I thought, if I come to Tennessee and

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Speaker 1: I'm talking to coach, I may be talking about them

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's a guy that probably should be on some

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Speaker 3: of those covers. But you know, our veteran guys from

567
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Speaker 3: move for them and their future. Getting some of those

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Speaker 3: guys to come back for the right reasons, their development,

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Speaker 3: their experience, trying to make a career out of it

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Speaker 3: and what we're going to have out on the field

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Speaker 3: next fall. And it's been great because you have a

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Speaker 3: lot of leadership from last year that actually came back.

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Speaker 3: That's been really important for our new guys that came

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Speaker 3: those guys have transitioned so quickly on the field too

581
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Speaker 3: here as as we've wrapped up springball, but really excited

582
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Speaker 3: about that group, in particular at the line of scrimmage.

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Speaker 3: You mentioned Cooper on the offensive line. A lot of

584
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Speaker 3: those guys are back on the defensive.

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Speaker 2: Line, have a lot of experience coming back as well.

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Speaker 1: So there's all kind of perceptions out there about every team,

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Speaker 1: every coach, every program or whatever. So there are some

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Speaker 1: there's automatically a stigma that goes along with that of well,

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Speaker 3: What's he like, Yeah, pajama pants as he was going

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Speaker 3: he's a guy from the moment that he's come in here,

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Speaker 3: but he's a guy that goes and grinds every single

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Speaker 3: day inside of our building. That's in the weight room,

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Speaker 3: it's in the meeting room. It's continuing to grow in

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Speaker 3: his craft. Obviously as a quarterback. The leadership's got to

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Speaker 3: continue to grow. I love the steps that he's taken

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Speaker 3: But that's a guy that you know, embodies a lot

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Speaker 2: And you know, just his continued to growth as.

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Speaker 3: A person since he's gotten here and as a teammate,

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Speaker 3: been really fun to have him be a part of

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Speaker 3: it and does it right every single day and had

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Speaker 1: You ever surprised that guys are that advanced in terms

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that's really important in the recruiting process

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638
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Speaker 3: and you know, flat told them, like I wasn't mature

639
00:32:25,000 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 3: enough at the age that you are to handle it.

640
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 3: The way that you have, and there's so many things

641
00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:34,920
Speaker 3: that he's got to balance. He's known everywhere that he goes.

642
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 3: That's you know, inside of Knoxville and across the state,

643
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,360
Speaker 3: but really you know throughout the country.

644
00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,040
Speaker 2: And as an eighteen nineteen.

645
00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 3: Year old, that comes with, you know, different expectations and

646
00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 3: you've got to be really mature, not just in the building,

647
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 3: but outside of the building as well. And it's one

648
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,719
Speaker 3: of the things that I really love about him because

649
00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 3: you know, he prepares and handles himself outside of the building.

650
00:32:58,480 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 2: In a really good way.

651
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 3: And you know, those are things that we're intentional with

652
00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 3: as guys transition into our program, helping them get started

653
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 3: immediately in the right direction. But that also doesn't just

654
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:13,960
Speaker 3: come from our staff. That comes from our players inside

655
00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,480
Speaker 3: of our program. And you know you're talking about Nico.

656
00:33:16,600 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 3: You look at that quarterback room in the connection that

657
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 3: those guys have had, even though there's typically one guy

658
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 3: that's playing and you're constantly competing within yourself, but with

659
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 3: the guys in the room to become your best. The

660
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 3: way that our veteran guys have been able to pay

661
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,480
Speaker 3: it forward to the guys that are coming back in

662
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:39,840
Speaker 3: behind them, you look at Hindon in Joe's relationship, Joe

663
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:43,200
Speaker 3: and Nico's relationship, it's one that you know, there's a

664
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 3: lot of camaraderie in the room. They continue to help

665
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 3: each other on and off the field deal with everything

666
00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 3: that comes with playing the quarterback position.

667
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,800
Speaker 1: I don't think the outside world believes that that would

668
00:33:56,840 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: be the case. Typically, if you're in a highly competitive environment,

669
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: maybe someone watching this right now is in that at work,

670
00:34:04,240 --> 00:34:07,200
Speaker 1: and the do two cubicles over is like out selling

671
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,160
Speaker 1: you in one quarter or another quarter. The thinking there

672
00:34:10,200 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: would be cutthroat, let me go after it by any

673
00:34:13,719 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 1: means necessary. And yet in this world you got individual

674
00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: goals you want to obtain, but it's also collectively. It's

675
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:21,080
Speaker 1: a team game at the end of the day. So

676
00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,879
Speaker 1: you've got guys in a room and you only got

677
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: one starting spot for him in the quarterbacks case, and

678
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 1: yet you've got to have a mentality where one guy

679
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: bleeds into another guy bleeds into another guy. Like you

680
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,560
Speaker 1: do you think it's understood how rare a commodity that

681
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 1: is to have outside football.

682
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 2: It really is.

683
00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 3: It's rare outside of football, but it's rare inside of

684
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:45,319
Speaker 3: a program too that doesn't exist everywhere because it is

685
00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:48,759
Speaker 3: highly competitive and guys have, you know, individual goals of

686
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 3: what they're trying to accomplish during the course of a

687
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 3: season where they want to get inside of the game

688
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 3: long term, and so it's.

689
00:34:56,080 --> 00:34:57,400
Speaker 2: Rare that those things exist.

690
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,760
Speaker 3: And that's the culture that we've built inside of our program,

691
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,800
Speaker 3: where veteran guys welcome the new guys into their room

692
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:08,240
Speaker 3: and are pouring into them. It can't just be coaches

693
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,560
Speaker 3: coaching players. It's got to be player to player too.

694
00:35:11,680 --> 00:35:15,880
Speaker 3: And you know, I talked about the quarterback room a

695
00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:18,840
Speaker 3: minute ago, but you know, you look at our veteran

696
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:21,960
Speaker 3: defensive linemen with the new guys that have come in

697
00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:23,800
Speaker 3: on the interior on the edges.

698
00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:24,840
Speaker 2: You know how they.

699
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,320
Speaker 3: Pour in and coach those guys on a day to

700
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:31,000
Speaker 3: day basis. I made a point inside of our team meeting,

701
00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:34,759
Speaker 3: after I'd sat in the line meeting just how intentional

702
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 3: a guy like Elijah Simmons O'mari Thomas are in pouring

703
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,400
Speaker 3: into the young guys after a coach gets done coaching

704
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 3: up the play too. And you know a great example

705
00:35:43,960 --> 00:35:46,040
Speaker 3: of that is Bruce McCoy at the wide receiver position

706
00:35:46,200 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 3: was coming back off of injury, the new guys that

707
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:52,960
Speaker 3: have come in transfer, freshman, whatever it might be, him

708
00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 3: being an integral part of helping those guys grow within

709
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 3: our system.

710
00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: When we started getting into this new era, call it

711
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: the Anile era if you want to, there were these

712
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:06,040
Speaker 1: wild swings in philosophy about what it was going to

713
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: do to the sport. And one of the things that

714
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,399
Speaker 1: some people latched onto is this will automatically divide locker

715
00:36:13,480 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: rooms all across the country, and in case by case,

716
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: we've seen it happen here, we've seen it not happen there.

717
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 1: My theory was, if a place is easily fracturable, it

718
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:25,640
Speaker 1: will it will only exclamate that and if you've got

719
00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:27,359
Speaker 1: a solid culture then you may not have to worry

720
00:36:27,400 --> 00:36:30,200
Speaker 1: about it so much inside you were building. How have

721
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: you seen kind of that new era affect your locker room?

722
00:36:33,239 --> 00:36:37,320
Speaker 3: Well, it is a different era, and in some ways

723
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:41,319
Speaker 3: a locker room resembles what the NFL looks like more

724
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 3: than college football ever had.

725
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 2: But at the same time, for the most.

726
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 3: Part, within college football, guys are still looking for the

727
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:48,879
Speaker 3: same thing.

728
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,399
Speaker 2: They want to be developed, that's inside of the game.

729
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 3: They want to grow as men, they want to have

730
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:58,080
Speaker 3: fun in that competitive arena as well, and so what

731
00:36:58,120 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 3: the players are looking for really hasn't changed with the

732
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:05,640
Speaker 3: caveat that there's another layer to it within the NIL landscape.

733
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,200
Speaker 3: And at the end of the day, I can go

734
00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:10,120
Speaker 3: back to my playing experience. If I was a player

735
00:37:10,320 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 3: and I had the opportunity to partake in NIL, I

736
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 3: surely would have wanted to have taken part in that

737
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 3: as well. But I think that's why the culture really matters,

738
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 3: the growth of the person, the reality that your players

739
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,280
Speaker 3: know that your coaches care about them as human beings

740
00:37:26,320 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 3: not just the player, and continue to help them grow

741
00:37:29,040 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 3: within the game as well.

742
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: You're around young people on a day to day basis.

743
00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,560
Speaker 1: Not everyone who watches this is most people who are thirty, forty,

744
00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: fifty years old or not around seventeen to twenty two

745
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: year olds every day. So there's this inclination sometimes whenever

746
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: they see the younger generation have an attitude or do

747
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: anything they don't like, it's just this generation. Man, throw

748
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: up your hands, Well, you're around this generation every day.

749
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 1: Number one, you couldn't react that way if you wanted to.

750
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: But number two, what is your perspective on that? Working

751
00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 1: with kids on a day to day basis.

752
00:37:59,640 --> 00:38:03,759
Speaker 3: I think young people and players. Young players want the

753
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,640
Speaker 3: same things. If they can see themselves growing, they know

754
00:38:06,680 --> 00:38:10,319
Speaker 3: that the person cares about them, you know, that's the

755
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 3: experience that they're wanting while competing and having fun doing it.

756
00:38:14,680 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 3: They want to be connected to their teammates, the locker room,

757
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 3: the energy, the experiences still matter, and at the same time,

758
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,920
Speaker 3: for players, it's important that you know that they're growing

759
00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:31,680
Speaker 3: outside of the game as well. So to me, they

760
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 3: haven't changed as far as what they're actually looking for

761
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 3: this generation because information is everywhere, I think for this

762
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,680
Speaker 3: generation of kids, but for human beings in general, they

763
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:47,120
Speaker 3: want to understand the why. And if they understand the why,

764
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 3: then they can go about it. You know, previous generations

765
00:38:50,640 --> 00:38:54,359
Speaker 3: probably just did what they were told because they thought

766
00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 3: that that was the best plan and the only way

767
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,239
Speaker 3: to do it. This generation wants to understand the why.

768
00:38:59,320 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 3: If you explain why really well, they'll buy into it.

769
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: Another misconception that when I have our stats and info

770
00:39:06,160 --> 00:39:08,880
Speaker 1: department print me out. The numbers is right there on paper,

771
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: but it's not out there in the general public. Is

772
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: what your offense is your offense? If I asked a

773
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:19,319
Speaker 1: random guy, Karl on the street. Here is Carl out

774
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 1: right now, casual Carl is his name is Hyper, just

775
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: throws the ball all over the place. It's just a

776
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 1: shot offense. And then I print out the numbers and

777
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,480
Speaker 1: you guys are like over twenty five hundred yards rushing

778
00:39:29,520 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: every year. And I know it's not garbage time numbers.

779
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:35,600
Speaker 1: So like, talk to Karl. For me, what is the

780
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:36,479
Speaker 1: Josh Hypel offense.

781
00:39:36,520 --> 00:39:38,400
Speaker 3: It's has At the end of the day, we're trying

782
00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:41,319
Speaker 3: to take advantage of what defensive structures are giving you.

783
00:39:41,680 --> 00:39:43,640
Speaker 3: We want to put guys in a position to create

784
00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 3: big plays. That's in the run game, that's in the

785
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,680
Speaker 3: past game. You know, for us, it all starts with

786
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 3: the run game. If you look at us historically, you know,

787
00:39:52,280 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 3: coach llerb our offensive line coach and I've been together

788
00:39:54,600 --> 00:39:57,840
Speaker 3: for going on eight years now. The secret to the

789
00:39:57,880 --> 00:39:59,200
Speaker 3: thought is the run game.

790
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: Is there a differferent style running back you look for,

791
00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 1: maybe more so than if I just ran a traditional

792
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: pro style offense, Characteristics that fit your.

793
00:40:08,560 --> 00:40:12,680
Speaker 3: Offensive, And it's kind of like the quarterback position. For us,

794
00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:16,760
Speaker 3: we've had small you know, guys that you would assume are.

795
00:40:16,680 --> 00:40:17,320
Speaker 2: Out in space.

796
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 3: But you know, guys you got elite track numbers that

797
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:22,399
Speaker 3: may be a smaller body type one hundred and eighty

798
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 3: five and ninety pounds.

799
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 2: We've had guys that are in that two twenty range.

800
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:30,360
Speaker 3: You know, a guy like Jalen Wright that you know,

801
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 3: I think led the conference and I believe the country

802
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 3: and Yardsborough carry you know, so we've had different body

803
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,120
Speaker 3: types for us. At the running back position, you got

804
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 3: to have guys that you know, can play without the

805
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 3: ball in their hands. I think that's really important to

806
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,440
Speaker 3: Typically young guys got to develop that skill set, but

807
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,040
Speaker 3: have great vision, great pace, understand how to use the

808
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 3: guys in front of them, can.

809
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:53,880
Speaker 2: Reduce their pads.

810
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:56,560
Speaker 3: Have in these backs can be a little bit different

811
00:40:56,560 --> 00:40:58,120
Speaker 3: in how they do this, but have a make you

812
00:40:58,239 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 3: myth component, and you know, the last thing that you

813
00:41:03,000 --> 00:41:03,960
Speaker 3: want is.

814
00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 2: A guy that can hit the home run too.

815
00:41:07,520 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: I thought, probably one of the quieter things that started

816
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:14,160
Speaker 1: happening here. I noticed it last recruiting cycle and then

817
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 1: this past one as well, is you guys were recruiting

818
00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: I think better than people realized defensively, and then you

819
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,319
Speaker 1: look at like the defensive line depth here and there

820
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:25,359
Speaker 1: are other places in the country that run these really

821
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: high octane offenses that struggle mightily on that side of

822
00:41:28,160 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: the ball, and the personnel is not there, And you guys,

823
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,280
Speaker 1: I say, quietly, I know it's not quite in the building,

824
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,879
Speaker 1: but I think outside the building quietly, maybe you've you've

825
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: upgraded the personnel on that side, and the developmental side

826
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:42,239
Speaker 1: is there. And a lot of the first things that

827
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: come out of people's mouths when you're in this building

828
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:48,799
Speaker 1: are defensive players defensive coaches. So like, walk me through

829
00:41:48,800 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: what you guys are defensively.

830
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, First of all, our defense staff, Coach Banks and

831
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 3: our defense staff have done an unbelievable job of developing

832
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 3: our players, developing our system, continuing to grow, but being

833
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:02,919
Speaker 3: aggressive in what they do.

834
00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 2: You look at when we first got here as a staff.

835
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 3: You know, I think before we got to springball, while

836
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 3: we were in spring ball, I think we had fifty

837
00:42:12,480 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 3: six scholarship players. We were hit with the portal in

838
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 3: that month of dead time before we arrived, and in

839
00:42:21,080 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 3: particular hit on the defensive side of the football before

840
00:42:24,320 --> 00:42:28,080
Speaker 3: we arrived. And so, you know, patching our roster, finding

841
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,799
Speaker 3: ways to continue to grow within the players that we had.

842
00:42:32,440 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 3: They did a really good job. But you know, the

843
00:42:34,400 --> 00:42:37,480
Speaker 3: last couple of years, we continued to take big strides.

844
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 3: You look at where we rank within the conference tackles

845
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:45,239
Speaker 3: for lost sacks, leading our at the top of the

846
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,680
Speaker 3: conference in both those categories. And so the continued growth

847
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 3: within our roster, recruiting at a really high level to

848
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 3: have the body types and athleticism that we want within

849
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 3: our defensive structure, and then continued the developmental growth of

850
00:42:58,719 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 3: those guys. Technically, I really like the direction of where

851
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:05,480
Speaker 3: we're going and anticipate us again taking another big step

852
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 3: this offseason. But you look at us schematically, where aggressive

853
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 3: we're going to bring pressure where I'm playing a lot

854
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:16,360
Speaker 3: of different fronts, mixed our coverages. Defensive guys get exposed

855
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 3: to everything that they need to for this level, but

856
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 3: also for the next level to go put themselves in

857
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 3: a position to make a career out of playing this game.

858
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: You mentioned something and it kind of took me back

859
00:43:26,840 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 1: in my mind to how I felt when you first

860
00:43:29,040 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 1: took the job. And every guy inherits whatever he inherits,

861
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: but it's normally just limited to what's my roster. You

862
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,600
Speaker 1: guys had some extenuating circumstances within CAA, and so I'm

863
00:43:41,640 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 1: looking at that, I'm looking at the roster attrition, and

864
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 1: I remember just like thinking, how long is this going

865
00:43:46,960 --> 00:43:47,399
Speaker 1: to take him?

866
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 2: Right?

867
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,120
Speaker 1: I mean, how long until I can reasonably judge him

868
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: just based on wins and losses and not have to

869
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,440
Speaker 1: say yeah. But on the back end of that, relative

870
00:43:56,480 --> 00:43:58,240
Speaker 1: to how bad it could have been, there's.

871
00:43:58,040 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 3: No yeah buds here at Tennessee got to go win.

872
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:03,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. So I said it. I said it on the outside.

873
00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: I was outside state lines when I said it, relative

874
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: to how bad it could have been. Yeah, We've not

875
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,919
Speaker 1: fast forwarded three years, and I'm looking back and I'm

876
00:44:11,960 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: like wiping sweat off my brow. Kind of crisis averted

877
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 1: and now you kind of pull the nose up and

878
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:20,600
Speaker 1: you feel good into sure program now and there's not

879
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:23,680
Speaker 1: there's not this theme like lingering out on the horizon anymore.

880
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 1: How much more freeing is that?

881
00:44:25,080 --> 00:44:25,239
Speaker 2: Man?

882
00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 3: It's it's changed the way we're able to recruit our communication.

883
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:32,719
Speaker 3: You know, from when we first arrived here. The outside

884
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 3: noise obviously completely different with everything that was going on

885
00:44:36,200 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 3: before we got here, and maybe that first summer that

886
00:44:39,160 --> 00:44:42,480
Speaker 3: we were still battling through you know, and I'm saying

887
00:44:42,480 --> 00:44:43,720
Speaker 3: that from our athletic department.

888
00:44:43,800 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 2: With with the n C.

889
00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 3: Double A, now people have tangible evidence of where we're going.

890
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 3: And I say that on the field and and off

891
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 3: the field, and so it allows us to go and

892
00:44:56,120 --> 00:44:58,880
Speaker 3: recruit at a really high level and continue to upgrade

893
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,879
Speaker 3: our roster and continue to push forward. When we got here,

894
00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:03,719
Speaker 3: you know, now it's unlimited as far as the number

895
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 3: of bodies you can bring in.

896
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 2: At that time, you were.

897
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,279
Speaker 3: Limited to twenty five throughout the course of a calendar year.

898
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 3: I thought we navigated that space with all of the

899
00:45:12,560 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 3: roster depletion that we had extremely well. And that only

900
00:45:16,680 --> 00:45:20,120
Speaker 3: happens because of our staff, and you know how we

901
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:22,960
Speaker 3: were able to move our players forward in the connection

902
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 3: of our players within this program.

903
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: How hard is it or how challenging is it when

904
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:29,520
Speaker 1: you're taking over a new program and then you have

905
00:45:29,560 --> 00:45:32,239
Speaker 1: to build a staff And then maybe you would have

906
00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: built it the same way anyway, but you built your

907
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: staff knowing those unique parameters were in place. When you're

908
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,360
Speaker 1: in a staff meeting and you look around that table

909
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,399
Speaker 1: and then the outer perimeter of the folks sitting behind

910
00:45:42,440 --> 00:45:45,279
Speaker 1: those folks, how long before it takes you to look

911
00:45:45,320 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: around and go, yeah, I think I got the right

912
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,880
Speaker 1: collection in this room. I think we can navigate this.

913
00:45:50,040 --> 00:45:51,200
Speaker 1: We do have the right collection.

914
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 3: I say that now, I really strong when we first

915
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 3: got here we are intentional and who we brought in.

916
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,200
Speaker 3: When you hire somebody, you want them to have the

917
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:03,920
Speaker 3: same perspective and global view of how you're trying to

918
00:46:03,960 --> 00:46:08,440
Speaker 3: impact and grow young people and young players. Being committed

919
00:46:08,480 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 3: to a connection is a huge part of that, and

920
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 3: being elite teachers. That's why we built trust within our

921
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 3: program so quickly we're able to flip it in year one.

922
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,360
Speaker 2: And have had the success that we have.

923
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 1: So I promise I'm going somewhere with this. So back

924
00:46:24,840 --> 00:46:26,480
Speaker 1: in back when I was a kid, I had to

925
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,520
Speaker 1: stay with me Ma every day before my parents came

926
00:46:28,560 --> 00:46:30,680
Speaker 1: and pick me up after school. We would watch Rescue

927
00:46:30,719 --> 00:46:33,560
Speaker 1: nine one one on like Lifetime channel. So I remember

928
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:36,759
Speaker 1: an episode about smoke innlation and I remember thinking how

929
00:46:36,800 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 1: terrible that must be. Fast forward to twenty twenty two.

930
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:41,960
Speaker 1: I'm here at the Bama game and it goes the

931
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,960
Speaker 1: way it goes, and you're in the locker room afterwards,

932
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:48,000
Speaker 1: but I'm on the field. It's outdoors. There's no roof

933
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 1: on this place, and briefly I got smoke inhalation because

934
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: it was so thick, even on the field in an

935
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: outdoor setting that I remember thinking to myself, Man, all

936
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:58,880
Speaker 1: these years later, this is when it hits me. Outdoors

937
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,319
Speaker 1: is when it hits me. I know you're all about

938
00:47:01,360 --> 00:47:03,920
Speaker 1: looking forward, and I am too, but for about two minutes,

939
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: take me back to what that night was like for you.

940
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 1: And it felt to me like a Berlin Wall moment

941
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 1: of perception for people who had just come to think

942
00:47:13,719 --> 00:47:16,160
Speaker 1: Tennessee they don't do that kind of stuff anymore, and

943
00:47:16,160 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden they did. Yeah.

944
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 3: I think it only happens because of the growth and

945
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 3: the expectation from within the locker room, and I include

946
00:47:25,080 --> 00:47:27,759
Speaker 3: the coaches in that to go play and win those

947
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 3: types of games. That's the standard at Tennessee. It was

948
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:37,000
Speaker 3: a Berlin Wall moment for us. And I say that

949
00:47:37,200 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 3: in that in that game in twenty two, you know,

950
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:46,719
Speaker 3: I walked underneath the goal posts as they were coming down.

951
00:47:46,800 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 3: There's a great picture from across the river that I

952
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 3: saw when I got home late that night.

953
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 2: I thought it was a doctored up picture with all them.

954
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 3: That is why you had to smoke inhlation in that.

955
00:47:57,920 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 3: But you know, for us, it was proof of the

956
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:07,440
Speaker 3: work and everything that goes in to be able to

957
00:48:07,440 --> 00:48:10,640
Speaker 3: take advantage and go win in those moments. And again

958
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,239
Speaker 3: I said it, it's a standard here at Tennessee. We

959
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 3: are looking forward and continuing to push forward. We got

960
00:48:18,480 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 3: a lot of big games on our schedule this year.

961
00:48:20,440 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 3: Ready to go attack it one week at a time.

962
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:27,080
Speaker 1: When you have a tangible result like that, or you

963
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,600
Speaker 1: have like a ten win season, just different benchmarks that

964
00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:35,359
Speaker 1: fans judge you based on. I think you would hold

965
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,560
Speaker 1: yourself to a little different standard. You would hope people

966
00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,879
Speaker 1: in the building are thinking in a little different way.

967
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,240
Speaker 1: But how valuable is that as like a little cherry

968
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:46,080
Speaker 1: on top of validation of See, I told you guys,

969
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:48,680
Speaker 1: we're doing it the right way. Okay, now you see this.

970
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: Now we're not where we want to be yet, but

971
00:48:50,880 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: there's just a small little reward. Now you could have

972
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:55,879
Speaker 1: orange and white confetti raining down on you one day

973
00:48:56,000 --> 00:48:57,879
Speaker 1: if we continue to stack days like we are.

974
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:01,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think for us to expects outside of this

975
00:49:01,120 --> 00:49:02,480
Speaker 3: building our extremely high.

976
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 2: It's one of the things that I.

977
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,680
Speaker 3: Love about our fan base, but they're never higher than

978
00:49:06,680 --> 00:49:09,400
Speaker 3: they are inside of this building, and that happens because

979
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 3: of the way that our players work. They got great habits,

980
00:49:12,960 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 3: really proud of what they did this spring as an

981
00:49:15,520 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 3: example of that.

982
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:19,680
Speaker 2: It is a cherry on the top.

983
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:24,520
Speaker 3: It is a moment to reinforce the process that we

984
00:49:24,600 --> 00:49:27,400
Speaker 3: go through as a program throughout the course of the

985
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 3: year to.

986
00:49:27,960 --> 00:49:30,520
Speaker 2: Get where we want to go. At the end of

987
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 2: the day. You can't sit and be in that moment.

988
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:36,240
Speaker 2: You got to always push forward.

989
00:49:36,280 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 3: That's one of the things we talk about success or

990
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 3: failure from play to play, from week to week.

991
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:42,959
Speaker 1: You got to wipe it.

992
00:49:42,880 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 2: Clean and move on to the next one.

993
00:49:45,920 --> 00:49:49,919
Speaker 3: And we're continuing to grow in that mindset and understanding

994
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:54,319
Speaker 3: as we get everybody's best shot every Saturday, us being

995
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,239
Speaker 3: prepared to go give our best shot too.

996
00:49:57,040 --> 00:49:59,799
Speaker 1: If I'm following Tennessee football, especially in spring, I'm just

997
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: going into like balls twenty four to seven dot Com.

998
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,560
Speaker 1: Didn't we get out of today healthy? Okay? Good, that's

999
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,720
Speaker 1: a win. And you guys got out of spring pretty healthy,

1000
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:12,200
Speaker 1: so that's nice. Aside from health, how do you judge

1001
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 1: how good a spring was?

1002
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 3: Man fundamentals technique, the growth of your players. That's in

1003
00:50:16,640 --> 00:50:21,400
Speaker 3: block destruction, it's in blocking out on the perimeter. It's

1004
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:25,440
Speaker 3: you know, tackling habits. It's understand the fundamentals and scheme

1005
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:29,759
Speaker 3: guys being able to play different positions, figure out, you know,

1006
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:32,080
Speaker 3: where we project them for the fall, but also having

1007
00:50:32,760 --> 00:50:36,760
Speaker 3: position flexibility is things unfold during the course of the season.

1008
00:50:37,560 --> 00:50:41,239
Speaker 3: For me, as much as anything, it's how intentional our

1009
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:45,040
Speaker 3: players are every day during the course of the practice.

1010
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:49,920
Speaker 3: We had great energy you know before every practice. But

1011
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 3: to me, what I love is the competitive maturity of

1012
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,839
Speaker 3: this group. Being able to focus in on your job

1013
00:50:56,000 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 3: and continue to grow at it every single.

1014
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:00,400
Speaker 1: Day to be a professional that what you do to

1015
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: go about it a different way, to be intentional about it.

1016
00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:04,960
Speaker 1: Is that one of the sharper learning curves for a

1017
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 1: freshman and is it therefore that much more important to

1018
00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:09,640
Speaker 1: have veterans in the building that you can point to

1019
00:51:09,719 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 1: and say, do it like he does.

1020
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,759
Speaker 3: You go from being the only big fish into the

1021
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,720
Speaker 3: pond in the pond in high school in your area

1022
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,680
Speaker 3: or your high school the teams that you play being

1023
00:51:19,800 --> 00:51:23,040
Speaker 3: superior athletically pretty much every time that you walk onto

1024
00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 3: the field to be in on the field and in

1025
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:27,960
Speaker 3: a position room with a bunch of guys that have

1026
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:31,480
Speaker 3: the same athletic traits as you, and so learning what

1027
00:51:31,520 --> 00:51:33,800
Speaker 3: are you willing to do to go above and beyond

1028
00:51:33,840 --> 00:51:35,840
Speaker 3: to get where you want to go? What are you

1029
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:38,520
Speaker 3: willing to give up to help you get there? And

1030
00:51:38,560 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 3: then being able to be consistent every day in the

1031
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,120
Speaker 3: meeting room, in the weight room, and then on the

1032
00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 3: practice field. It is the growing curve of how you

1033
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:51,279
Speaker 3: go from a young man, young player into becoming your

1034
00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 3: absolute best and becoming a pro.

1035
00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:57,879
Speaker 1: How often do you encounter guys who think they have

1036
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:01,399
Speaker 1: that mentality only to then find out, wow, I got

1037
00:52:01,440 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 1: put in the deep end here, My feet are not

1038
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,880
Speaker 1: touching the floor of the pool anymore. Like it's kind

1039
00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:08,160
Speaker 1: of a it's kind of a shock to the senses.

1040
00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: Some guys are lazy and know they're lazy. Other guys

1041
00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:12,840
Speaker 1: think they're grinding, and then all of a sudden, you

1042
00:52:12,880 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: want to be going forty hours a week like what's

1043
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:15,279
Speaker 1: happening here.

1044
00:52:15,840 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 3: Grind is a word that guests you used too often.

1045
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:22,520
Speaker 3: Learning what that that actually looks like is.

1046
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:24,280
Speaker 2: The growth of every young player.

1047
00:52:24,360 --> 00:52:26,040
Speaker 3: And I can go back to myself, my dad was

1048
00:52:26,040 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 3: a college coach. I thought I understood. I got in

1049
00:52:29,640 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 3: the moment in the arena and I learned what that

1050
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:35,960
Speaker 3: actually looks like. And that's the growth of every young player.

1051
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:38,560
Speaker 3: And that's where coaches you got to help them understand

1052
00:52:38,600 --> 00:52:40,800
Speaker 3: where they're at, what's the plan to move forward to

1053
00:52:40,840 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 3: get to where you want to go?

1054
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,520
Speaker 2: What does that tangibly look like on a day to

1055
00:52:44,600 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 2: day basis.

1056
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 1: When you hire staffers, most guys from a work ethics standpoint,

1057
00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:55,400
Speaker 1: check the box or you wouldn't hire them.

1058
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:58,919
Speaker 2: But aside from that, there's variance in that too. Yeah

1059
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 2: you know, I mean you better check on what their

1060
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:02,080
Speaker 2: work ethic is.

1061
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 1: How do you do that?

1062
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:03,720
Speaker 2: Man?

1063
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:07,600
Speaker 3: You got to have resources, guys that you trust a

1064
00:53:07,600 --> 00:53:10,480
Speaker 3: lot of times, somebody that has a connection to them

1065
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:13,400
Speaker 3: so that you understand the same things that we're looking

1066
00:53:13,400 --> 00:53:16,359
Speaker 3: for in our team. How accountable are they? Do they

1067
00:53:16,360 --> 00:53:19,000
Speaker 3: build trust? Can they communicate at a high level? And

1068
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:21,560
Speaker 3: do they love and respect the process and care about

1069
00:53:21,560 --> 00:53:24,920
Speaker 3: young people? And do they attack every single day with

1070
00:53:25,080 --> 00:53:27,280
Speaker 3: everything that they got when they grab that door handle.

1071
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:30,839
Speaker 3: Do they come in and compete to make themselves their

1072
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:35,319
Speaker 3: players in the program better? And so those are things

1073
00:53:35,320 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 3: that you definitely want to try and verify.

1074
00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 1: You're probably in the time of year right now where

1075
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:41,919
Speaker 1: you're having exit interviews with players and you're going over

1076
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,640
Speaker 1: everything that needs to be gone over with them. Is

1077
00:53:44,680 --> 00:53:46,279
Speaker 1: there a process in place where you do that with

1078
00:53:46,320 --> 00:53:48,960
Speaker 1: your assistance and how different does the conversation sound like

1079
00:53:49,000 --> 00:53:51,279
Speaker 1: with a forty five year old man who's coached the

1080
00:53:51,280 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 1: game for fifteen years versus a nineteen year old who's

1081
00:53:53,719 --> 00:53:54,279
Speaker 1: played the game.

1082
00:53:54,880 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 3: I think it's important that you do all those things

1083
00:53:57,600 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 3: with everybody within the structure of your er organization.

1084
00:54:00,640 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: You have department heads.

1085
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 3: That you know, may be in charge of you're on

1086
00:54:04,160 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 3: campus or your personnel them having intentional meetings with the

1087
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:09,439
Speaker 3: people underneath them.

1088
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 2: I'm having a meeting with.

1089
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:15,239
Speaker 3: Those department heads, making sure that everybody understands, you know,

1090
00:54:15,280 --> 00:54:17,560
Speaker 3: this is where we're at, what are some things that

1091
00:54:17,840 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 3: I can do better? Where am I falling short? But

1092
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:24,399
Speaker 3: then also how to you know them and their department continue.

1093
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:25,240
Speaker 2: To move forward in the right direction.

1094
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: You've been able to go on the road a few

1095
00:54:28,080 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 1: years now in the SEC, and you played on the

1096
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 1: road in some big environments as a player. Folks through

1097
00:54:35,120 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 1: especially in the SEC, going into some of these road

1098
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:41,000
Speaker 1: environments and how I like call it unaccommodating some of

1099
00:54:41,200 --> 00:54:43,840
Speaker 1: some of the road conditions are what's that like?

1100
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:47,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, road games are as real and as tough as

1101
00:54:47,560 --> 00:54:50,600
Speaker 3: you're going to encounter at any level of football within

1102
00:54:50,880 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 3: within this league. You know, the energy, the noise, the

1103
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:59,120
Speaker 3: venues are as good as it gets in football period,

1104
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 3: at any level. And you know, for a team to

1105
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 3: go on the road and to be able to execute

1106
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:10,040
Speaker 3: between the white lines, it really comes down to knowing

1107
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 3: your job at extremely high level, but being able to

1108
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 3: have being able to clear from the whistle to the

1109
00:55:16,320 --> 00:55:20,440
Speaker 3: next snap and refocus. And at the end of the day,

1110
00:55:20,480 --> 00:55:22,800
Speaker 3: there's nobody outside the white lines that's going to impact

1111
00:55:22,800 --> 00:55:26,040
Speaker 3: the game unless you allow them to impact the game.

1112
00:55:26,080 --> 00:55:30,440
Speaker 3: And that's where the growth of your players and your staff,

1113
00:55:30,480 --> 00:55:33,680
Speaker 3: to be honest, is really important. All the ey's got

1114
00:55:33,680 --> 00:55:35,400
Speaker 3: to be dotted and t's got to be crossed.

1115
00:55:35,960 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 1: We talked about anil and how much that's changed, So

1116
00:55:38,480 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 1: let's set that to the side for a second. Go

1117
00:55:40,560 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 1: from the time you played to present day. What's the thing.

1118
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,960
Speaker 1: What are the things about college football that have changed

1119
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 1: the most that make you look and say, I wonder

1120
00:55:50,239 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 1: how I would handle that, or I wonder how I

1121
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: would have thrived or failed in this if I were

1122
00:55:54,640 --> 00:55:55,320
Speaker 1: a player today.

1123
00:55:56,000 --> 00:55:59,880
Speaker 3: You know, I think organizations have gotten bigger, you know,

1124
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,640
Speaker 3: certainly within the confines.

1125
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:03,360
Speaker 2: Of this league.

1126
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:06,239
Speaker 3: When I say that, that means there's a lot more

1127
00:56:06,520 --> 00:56:09,880
Speaker 3: resources for the players. You know, I was right at

1128
00:56:09,880 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 3: the end of the era where you know, you weren't

1129
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:14,840
Speaker 3: allowed to get you know, a snack, you know, inside

1130
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 3: your locker room. It's just so different, and so your

1131
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 3: players have every tool, every resource to grow to be

1132
00:56:22,719 --> 00:56:25,560
Speaker 3: their best inside of the game and really outside of

1133
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 3: the game. You look at you know, player engagement, life skills,

1134
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,840
Speaker 3: all the training that we do, uh, the opportunity for

1135
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:35,080
Speaker 3: them to be ready when football ends, whenever that might

1136
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:37,560
Speaker 3: be has drastically changed.

1137
00:56:38,040 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 2: You know. The transfer portal obviously.

1138
00:56:39,840 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 3: Has changed the game here within the last last few years,

1139
00:56:42,680 --> 00:56:47,160
Speaker 3: and the management of a roster is completely different than

1140
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:48,040
Speaker 3: than it was.

1141
00:56:48,719 --> 00:56:51,520
Speaker 1: The coach to player headset communication. And also the new

1142
00:56:51,520 --> 00:56:54,040
Speaker 1: two minute rule. Yeah, we see that, and it's a

1143
00:56:54,080 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 1: headline that makes you go, oh, that's interesting. You see it,

1144
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:01,799
Speaker 1: especially as an offensive coach, and you say, what, you know,

1145
00:57:01,840 --> 00:57:02,360
Speaker 1: the two.

1146
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:05,200
Speaker 3: Minute rule, it's interesting that they implemented that, you know,

1147
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 3: a year ago, they you know, they changed the clock

1148
00:57:08,719 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 3: rule as far as the clock running, you know in

1149
00:57:12,320 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 3: the middle of the you know, first and second quarter,

1150
00:57:14,680 --> 00:57:17,280
Speaker 3: third and fourth quarter. So interesting that they did that.

1151
00:57:17,360 --> 00:57:19,240
Speaker 3: I think it's got a chance to change the way

1152
00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 3: end of half are played a little bit. And you know,

1153
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 3: you got to look at the NFL and how those

1154
00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:28,040
Speaker 3: things play out to learn and grow and be prepared

1155
00:57:28,760 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 3: for those things.

1156
00:57:30,600 --> 00:57:34,080
Speaker 1: So there's a lot going on right now that's outside

1157
00:57:34,120 --> 00:57:38,040
Speaker 1: of a coach's purview at the higher just college football level,

1158
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,240
Speaker 1: but it's going to impact you, and it could be

1159
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 1: anything from realignment to fundamental changing of rules. It feels

1160
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:47,040
Speaker 1: like rules change every five minutes anyway, how.

1161
00:57:46,960 --> 00:57:48,760
Speaker 2: You don't know they're coming. Sometimes its wild.

1162
00:57:48,880 --> 00:57:52,960
Speaker 1: It's there's an assumption on the outside that if I'm

1163
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:56,520
Speaker 1: reading the headline today, coaches knew this was coming long ago.

1164
00:57:56,560 --> 00:57:58,280
Speaker 1: And yet you talked to coaches and you're like, yeah,

1165
00:57:58,280 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 1: I found out about the same time you did. How

1166
00:58:00,680 --> 00:58:02,800
Speaker 1: I guess frustrating maybe the word because I'd be frustrated,

1167
00:58:02,880 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: But how frustrating is that?

1168
00:58:03,920 --> 00:58:06,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, sometimes you're finding out in the middle of June.

1169
00:58:07,120 --> 00:58:09,160
Speaker 3: To be honest, you know, you might go into two

1170
00:58:09,200 --> 00:58:12,760
Speaker 3: conference meetings. Things that were never discussed during the course

1171
00:58:13,120 --> 00:58:16,040
Speaker 3: of our conference meetings that could be at Destin or

1172
00:58:16,440 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 3: in February we go to Birmingham as well. Things that

1173
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 3: are never discussed get implemented. Things that you think are

1174
00:58:21,640 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 3: going to get implemented end up not happening. So with

1175
00:58:26,200 --> 00:58:29,280
Speaker 3: everything inside of college football, you know, you look at

1176
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 3: how quickly Nil changed at the drop of a diamond

1177
00:58:32,440 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 3: in the middle of the summer transfer portal. I think

1178
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:39,400
Speaker 3: now more than ever within your organization, you have set

1179
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:41,680
Speaker 3: parameters how you want to operate, but you got to

1180
00:58:41,720 --> 00:58:45,040
Speaker 3: be extremely fluid and nimble on your feet so that

1181
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 3: when things come out, you know, you can shift into

1182
00:58:49,360 --> 00:58:50,880
Speaker 3: what's best for your organization.

1183
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:55,640
Speaker 1: Everybody has opinions on all this stuff, and anytime we

1184
00:58:55,720 --> 00:59:00,760
Speaker 1: talk to coaches off the record, they're happy to vocalize

1185
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:04,040
Speaker 1: what they like and don't like. On the record. Nobody

1186
00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:06,400
Speaker 1: wants to be seen as complaining or whining because at

1187
00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 1: the end of the day, you just got to do

1188
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:11,920
Speaker 1: your job given the circumstances in place. But if coaches,

1189
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:14,600
Speaker 1: who are by far the most knowledgeable in all this

1190
00:59:14,680 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 1: aren't speaking up, other voices get heard, and so like,

1191
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,000
Speaker 1: how in the world do you walk the line of

1192
00:59:21,040 --> 00:59:24,200
Speaker 1: making sure an informed voice like yours gets heard in

1193
00:59:24,240 --> 00:59:27,520
Speaker 1: the room while also making sure it's understood. I'm not

1194
00:59:27,520 --> 00:59:29,720
Speaker 1: making excuses. I'm just telling you there's maybe a better

1195
00:59:29,800 --> 00:59:31,200
Speaker 1: way to do things than the way we're doing them

1196
00:59:31,240 --> 00:59:31,480
Speaker 1: right now.

1197
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:35,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I already touched on like nil, Like,

1198
00:59:35,680 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 3: I think in a lot of ways, that's a real

1199
00:59:37,440 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 3: positive for college football players. I can go back to

1200
00:59:41,120 --> 00:59:44,760
Speaker 3: my playing days and certainly would have liked to have

1201
00:59:44,800 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 3: take taken advantage of those things. So I think, you know,

1202
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:53,160
Speaker 3: in the general landscape of college football right now, some

1203
00:59:53,200 --> 00:59:58,280
Speaker 3: of the things playing rules, for example, you know, coaches voices.

1204
00:59:58,160 --> 00:59:59,040
Speaker 2: Aren't being heard.

1205
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 3: And it's not that they're not being voiced, you know,

1206
01:00:02,760 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 3: just how college football is aligned. Who's in control of

1207
01:00:07,520 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 3: what I think some of those things just you know,

1208
01:00:10,760 --> 01:00:12,360
Speaker 3: aren't heard or get muted.

1209
01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:16,480
Speaker 1: So when you it's kind of a hard pivot here.

1210
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 1: That's why I paused. When we come out of spring. Okay,

1211
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:23,440
Speaker 1: there's it's just focused on football. Now, what were some

1212
01:00:23,480 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 1: of the wish that were actually I wish that were

1213
01:00:25,640 --> 01:00:27,880
Speaker 1: actually true football?

1214
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:29,040
Speaker 2: I want to air quoted.

1215
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 1: But so this is the time of year where your

1216
01:00:33,040 --> 01:00:36,360
Speaker 1: post spring and the public has nothing to do but talk.

1217
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:38,160
Speaker 1: You've got nothing but time on your hands, and it's

1218
01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 1: talking to days and that'll be So that's going to

1219
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 1: consume everyone else's attention. What are you doing in the

1220
01:00:45,160 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 1: building that is behind the curtain. No one's seeing it

1221
01:00:48,400 --> 01:00:51,040
Speaker 1: between now and the next time we see you, which

1222
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:52,480
Speaker 1: will be I guess in Dallas this year.

1223
01:00:52,640 --> 01:00:55,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. First of all, our coaches are on the road.

1224
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 3: Head coaches can't go right now, so you know, you're

1225
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:03,640
Speaker 3: getting feedback on what's going on on out on the road, having.

1226
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:06,400
Speaker 2: The opportunity to continue to.

1227
01:01:06,440 --> 01:01:09,120
Speaker 3: Look at, you know, what you're recruiting in this class,

1228
01:01:09,120 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 3: and to be honest in future classes as well. So

1229
01:01:12,280 --> 01:01:15,680
Speaker 3: that's primary right now at this time of year. You know,

1230
01:01:15,720 --> 01:01:19,200
Speaker 3: as a head coach, head coach organizationally, you're making sure

1231
01:01:19,280 --> 01:01:21,920
Speaker 3: that all your plans, you know, from summer to training

1232
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:25,160
Speaker 3: camp are ready to roll. So when when all your

1233
01:01:25,160 --> 01:01:28,240
Speaker 3: coaches get back, they're ready to hit the ground running.

1234
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 1: Here's one thing I've always been curious about if I

1235
01:01:30,760 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: were a head coach, especially if I can't be out

1236
01:01:32,600 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 1: on the road right now and my staff is I

1237
01:01:34,800 --> 01:01:37,680
Speaker 1: would want minute by minute updates on how a visit's

1238
01:01:37,720 --> 01:01:41,480
Speaker 1: going with a kid. That's not practical. So it's not

1239
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:42,600
Speaker 1: because of the coach.

1240
01:01:43,160 --> 01:01:44,960
Speaker 3: I'm from that guy on the road and minute to

1241
01:01:45,040 --> 01:01:47,000
Speaker 3: minute that is not not reality.

1242
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 1: So what's's Let's say I am your running backs coach

1243
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,640
Speaker 1: and I'm in I'm in the school of a top

1244
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 1: running back on your board today. How soon after I

1245
01:01:55,920 --> 01:01:57,800
Speaker 1: shake the kid's hand and walk out of the school

1246
01:01:57,800 --> 01:02:00,720
Speaker 1: and headed back to the airport, are you getting feedback

1247
01:02:00,720 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 1: from me? Am I being debriefed? Or is it when

1248
01:02:02,560 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 1: I get back to the building next staff meeting? How

1249
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 1: does that work?

1250
01:02:05,480 --> 01:02:07,000
Speaker 2: It's not when they get back to the building.

1251
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:09,480
Speaker 3: And I say that just because you know, you look

1252
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 3: at the structure of their timing being on the road.

1253
01:02:12,680 --> 01:02:14,920
Speaker 3: You know some of those guys are out for three weeks,

1254
01:02:14,920 --> 01:02:17,480
Speaker 3: and whether or not they're back on the weekends can

1255
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:20,480
Speaker 3: you know, be predicated on where their next trip is.

1256
01:02:20,560 --> 01:02:22,760
Speaker 3: So we try to make sure that we wrap everything

1257
01:02:22,840 --> 01:02:26,280
Speaker 3: up by the end of the week and have intentional conversations.

1258
01:02:26,880 --> 01:02:30,080
Speaker 1: All right, So we exited spring, We're pretty healthy, we

1259
01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:32,760
Speaker 1: got a big season coming up. What were some of

1260
01:02:32,760 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 1: the things that you may have emphasized to your staff

1261
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:37,640
Speaker 1: and your team before they kind of left you post

1262
01:02:37,680 --> 01:02:39,440
Speaker 1: spring is these are the things that are going to

1263
01:02:39,520 --> 01:02:40,919
Speaker 1: determine what happens to us this fall.

1264
01:02:41,040 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 3: Now, first of all, this time of year, because players

1265
01:02:43,720 --> 01:02:45,720
Speaker 3: have a little bit more time on their hands, being

1266
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:49,800
Speaker 3: smart decision makers and make sure we're not on any headlines.

1267
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 3: You can do a lot of things this time of

1268
01:02:51,440 --> 01:02:55,040
Speaker 3: year that inhibit and eliminate the opportunity for you to

1269
01:02:55,080 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 3: be a part of what's going on by the time

1270
01:02:57,360 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 3: we get to summer and or training camps.

1271
01:03:00,040 --> 01:03:01,200
Speaker 2: So that's paramount.

1272
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:05,640
Speaker 3: Constant education of those guys this time of year, lifting

1273
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:09,600
Speaker 3: for us, a great opportunity to add masks to our frames,

1274
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:11,320
Speaker 3: make sure that we're ready to roll when we get

1275
01:03:11,360 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 3: back at the beginning of summer. They report back after

1276
01:03:14,560 --> 01:03:18,080
Speaker 3: a Memorial Day. Those things are paramount for your young players,

1277
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:21,760
Speaker 3: opportunity to digest what just transpired throughout the course of spring.

1278
01:03:21,920 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 2: You know you have your winner where you're leading up

1279
01:03:23,680 --> 01:03:26,560
Speaker 2: to it. They're out on the field trying to go execute.

1280
01:03:26,160 --> 01:03:28,200
Speaker 3: Within your scheme. A lot of young guys can really

1281
01:03:28,280 --> 01:03:31,880
Speaker 3: grow during this time. Anticipate all those guys growing throughout

1282
01:03:31,920 --> 01:03:32,760
Speaker 3: the course of the summer.

1283
01:03:32,800 --> 01:03:34,800
Speaker 2: They should be a different player. They should be a

1284
01:03:34,880 --> 01:03:35,360
Speaker 2: vet by.

1285
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 3: The time they hit training camp, and make sure that

1286
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 3: we're putting our guys in a position to kick off

1287
01:03:40,040 --> 01:03:40,840
Speaker 3: the summer the right way.

1288
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 1: Josh, we appreciate it, Man, I appreciate it. Thank you.

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