1 00:00:01,400 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: The Armstrong and Getty Show. So I still contend the 2 00:00:17,680 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 1: biggest story out of this whole Kavanaugh thing is not 3 00:00:19,880 --> 00:00:21,600 Speaker 1: what he did or didn't do it a college party. 4 00:00:21,600 --> 00:00:23,640 Speaker 1: It's where we are with some of our biggest media 5 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 1: in the world. I you know, Trump likes beating up 6 00:00:27,000 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: on the New York Times, and I can certainly understand why. 7 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:31,120 Speaker 1: I want the New York Times to be better. I 8 00:00:31,160 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 1: want them to be good. I want them to be 9 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: a place that the whole world can go to and 10 00:00:35,200 --> 00:00:39,280 Speaker 1: think you're going to get some serious, solid journalism that's 11 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:41,239 Speaker 1: just in pursuit of the truth. And man, did they 12 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:43,879 Speaker 1: do damage to that over the weekend. I would agree completely. 13 00:00:43,960 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: The Washington Examiner, on the other hand, still rock steady 14 00:00:47,440 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: and Tim Carney is the commentary editor for The Washington Examiner, 15 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:52,560 Speaker 1: also the author of what sounds like a really really 16 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:57,720 Speaker 1: interesting book, Alienated America. Why some places thrive while others collapse. 17 00:00:58,040 --> 00:01:00,880 Speaker 1: That sounds like a future podcast, Tim, How are you 18 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: doing well? Thanks for having me pleasure. I want to 19 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:06,400 Speaker 1: read one of your tweets back at you the last 20 00:01:06,440 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: forty eight hours, and you wrote this yesterday. The last 21 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: forty eight hours have had one of the most flagrant 22 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:13,320 Speaker 1: failures of elite media, and there's Zeroly and then there 23 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: is nearly zero visible introspection about this. How bad was 24 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:20,240 Speaker 1: what the New York Times did From a journalistic standpoint, 25 00:01:20,920 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 1: It was dreadful because it was obviously intentional. The two 26 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: bits of information that they left out would have each 27 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: taken about eight words to include. Number one, After you 28 00:01:30,400 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 1: say that Brett Kavanov has been accused of the sexually 29 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 1: assaulting a woman, maybe say the woman says she has 30 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 1: no memory of it ever happening. That's not a lot 31 00:01:39,880 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: of words, and it dramatically changes the story. And then 32 00:01:43,319 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 1: when you are introducing the guy who's making the accusation, 33 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,280 Speaker 1: and you, uh, you have a little passage where you 34 00:01:49,320 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: get to describe who this guy, Max Sire is. You 35 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: maybe say he is a longtime Democratic operative and lawyer 36 00:01:56,440 --> 00:02:00,440 Speaker 1: for Bill Clinton. Again, that's about ten words. No, they 37 00:02:00,480 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: said and said he is a executive at a nonprofit. 38 00:02:04,400 --> 00:02:06,520 Speaker 1: As soon as I saw those words, I actually read 39 00:02:06,520 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: this article Saturday night thinking oh, do they have something 40 00:02:09,840 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: at him? And as soon as I saw executive and nonprofit, 41 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:15,200 Speaker 1: I said, ah, ten seconds of Google will turn up 42 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: who this guy is. But here's the problem regular readers 43 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,400 Speaker 1: don't have that don't have the instincts, the ability. They 44 00:02:21,400 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: shouldn't have to do all the extra work to figure 45 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:28,280 Speaker 1: out if I got the time. I've got the time 46 00:02:28,360 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 1: to look it up when I'm reading an article, but 47 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: I just don't feel like I should have to check 48 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: and see if Yeah. The journalists are supposed to do 49 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:38,119 Speaker 1: the work for the reader, but instead they're leaving every 50 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:39,800 Speaker 1: This is my in laws were telling me over the 51 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,680 Speaker 1: weekend before this story even came out. My problem is 52 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: I feel like I have to do at least half 53 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: an hour of research after every article. Everything that's the 54 00:02:48,600 --> 00:02:50,400 Speaker 1: modern world. We've been talking about that for a long time. 55 00:02:50,440 --> 00:02:51,919 Speaker 1: You have to do homework. If you want to take 56 00:02:51,919 --> 00:02:54,239 Speaker 1: in news now from any side, you have to like, okay, 57 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:56,399 Speaker 1: I need to cross verify that. So if anybody else 58 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: is saying this, or if they're tough left out, it's crazy, right. 59 00:02:59,240 --> 00:03:01,079 Speaker 1: And so you end up with in America with two 60 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: completely different you know, hemispheres of of experience and what 61 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: they think is knowledge because they just they read different 62 00:03:08,639 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: things in different places and formed completely different worldviews. Would 63 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: it be fair Tim Carney to say that the bulk 64 00:03:15,720 --> 00:03:20,840 Speaker 1: of the article was about an allegation that other people 65 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:27,440 Speaker 1: said this Clinton operative had talked about and he was 66 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 1: simply there, and this is this is roughly third hand 67 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:36,400 Speaker 1: or is it fourth yea. So those two different main 68 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 1: accusations in the New York Times piece. One of them 69 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:45,240 Speaker 1: is the supposed corroboration of the Debora ramire As accusation 70 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 1: that came out during the confirmation hearings. And the authors 71 00:03:49,880 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: say that this is more corroborated than the main accusation, 72 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: the Christine Blasi Ford, and I agree that this one 73 00:03:57,480 --> 00:04:00,600 Speaker 1: is more corroborated the Debora Ramiras one. In the Christine 74 00:04:00,600 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: Blasi Ford all four people who were supposedly there have 75 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 1: said they have no memory that happening or didn't happen 76 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: in the Debora Ramira's accusation. After this book is written, 77 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: all three people who were supposedly there have said it 78 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:17,880 Speaker 1: didn't happen and they would remember it happening. So being 79 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:23,239 Speaker 1: denied by only three possible witnesses a little less uncorroborated 80 00:04:23,440 --> 00:04:25,720 Speaker 1: than being denied by all four the Debora ramires one. 81 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:28,920 Speaker 1: I recommend you go and check out on our website 82 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,279 Speaker 1: at the Examiner. Tianna Lowe wrote a piece called the 83 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:35,240 Speaker 1: Debora Ramires corroboration that wasn't and then UM, in a 84 00:04:35,440 --> 00:04:38,279 Speaker 1: slightly different style Byron York, went ahead and went through 85 00:04:38,320 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: all seven people UM supposedly corroborating that, and UM, none 86 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:47,080 Speaker 1: of them actually heard none of them even claimed that 87 00:04:47,120 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 1: they heard Kavanaugh's name connected to it. And the one 88 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: who did heard about it from somebody else who wasn't 89 00:04:54,000 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: even there. He's now saying that he did it, so 90 00:04:57,320 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: that that was the Ramira's accusation. The Max dire accusation 91 00:05:00,920 --> 00:05:02,880 Speaker 1: is a brand new one. There is one source, he's 92 00:05:02,880 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: a Democratic operative, a fact the New York Times hit 93 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:09,159 Speaker 1: from us UM, and there's there's no other corroboration of 94 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:12,400 Speaker 1: this story. And the supposed victim denies that it happened. 95 00:05:12,560 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 1: We're talking with Tim Carney, commentary editor for the Washington Examiner, 96 00:05:16,000 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: again on the big picture of what this does to 97 00:05:18,440 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: the way people look at journalism. We got this text 98 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,119 Speaker 1: on a conversation we were having yesterday. Hey, guys, listening 99 00:05:24,120 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: to yesterday's show. I'm absolutely one of those people who 100 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 1: didn't vote for Trump in the last election, and I 101 00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 1: still really, really really disliked Trump. But you better believe 102 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:34,000 Speaker 1: I'm voting for him the next time around. I'm so 103 00:05:34,000 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 1: sick of the media and the progressive talking, the shaming 104 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:38,760 Speaker 1: and the little correct correctness by the other side. We're 105 00:05:38,760 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: making the point that the New York Times and various 106 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: other news outlets that think they're helping get Trump out 107 00:05:44,279 --> 00:05:46,960 Speaker 1: of office, are damaging him, are gonna get him reelected. 108 00:05:46,960 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: How did they not get that? Now? It's it is 109 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:57,359 Speaker 1: utterly amazing, the becoming an activist organ In our editorial 110 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:59,880 Speaker 1: and The Examiner today we say that, um, it was 111 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,719 Speaker 1: prosecutorial misconduct by the New York Times to run that piece, 112 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 1: and we call them prosecutors because that's how they're behaving. 113 00:06:07,000 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: They're behaving like lawless prosecutors instead of like sober journalists, 114 00:06:11,800 --> 00:06:16,280 Speaker 1: and that this undermines their ability to do anything. There 115 00:06:16,320 --> 00:06:18,839 Speaker 1: are people to New York Times who say what we 116 00:06:18,920 --> 00:06:21,440 Speaker 1: need to do is show people the facts to convince 117 00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:23,880 Speaker 1: them of X, Y and Z, and some of them 118 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: I agree with. You know, I think I actually think 119 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: that human activity is contributing to climate change, and the 120 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 1: New York Times wants to convince people of that. But 121 00:06:32,839 --> 00:06:36,000 Speaker 1: you know what, anytime I've ever said, hey, actually, did 122 00:06:36,000 --> 00:06:38,280 Speaker 1: you see that story in at CNN, or did you 123 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:39,920 Speaker 1: see that story at New York Times? And it's a 124 00:06:39,960 --> 00:06:42,840 Speaker 1: story I know is true because I've done the work. 125 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,640 Speaker 1: I've had all my conservative or even center friends say, 126 00:06:46,640 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: oh God, come on, You're going to trust those guys, 127 00:06:49,600 --> 00:06:51,440 Speaker 1: and I have to say, well, no, you can't. You 128 00:06:51,440 --> 00:06:53,840 Speaker 1: can't take them on authority. But this one, please, this, 129 00:06:54,040 --> 00:06:58,520 Speaker 1: this one is true. Just frittering away their ability to 130 00:06:59,279 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 1: inform or convince people of anything. I think most of 131 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:04,599 Speaker 1: the journalism the New York Times does is good, but 132 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 1: they do not have standards when it comes to things 133 00:07:08,040 --> 00:07:12,119 Speaker 1: that really really matter to them, such as defeating Donald 134 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: Trump or saving Roe v. Wade. If those are on 135 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:18,440 Speaker 1: the table, it's any means necessary to accomplish what they 136 00:07:18,440 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: want to accomplish. Boy Well, said Tim Carney, commentary editor 137 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:23,920 Speaker 1: the Washington Examiner. Two things, Tim, Number One, we will 138 00:07:23,960 --> 00:07:26,960 Speaker 1: have links posted and Armstrong and getty dot com so 139 00:07:27,040 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 1: folks can find those articles you're recommended very easily. Secondly, 140 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 1: as I look at the New York Times Explainer piece 141 00:07:33,840 --> 00:07:36,240 Speaker 1: on their website this morning, off to the side they're 142 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 1: promoting it's a new morning for Jennifer Aniston, do you 143 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:42,280 Speaker 1: have anything about Jennifer Aniston in the Examiner today too. 144 00:07:43,440 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: We will try to catch up to the Times on 145 00:07:45,480 --> 00:07:48,160 Speaker 1: the Jennifer Aniston b. We're not there yet, I'm afraid. 146 00:07:48,240 --> 00:07:51,280 Speaker 1: Oh that's disappointing. Tim Carney, Tim, it's always a pleasure. 147 00:07:51,280 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 1: Thanks a million, Thank you, good to talk. Thanks are 148 00:07:54,960 --> 00:07:56,160 Speaker 1: strong and Jetty