1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,520 Speaker 1: It takes a lot to share with your parents, you know, 2 00:00:02,680 --> 00:00:05,400 Speaker 1: especially at that age when you are kind of starting 3 00:00:05,480 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: to really want your own independence. It's like, now I 4 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:11,319 Speaker 1: have to lean on my parents more. And so yeah, 5 00:00:11,400 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I think another thing. And this isn't just parents, 6 00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:16,520 Speaker 1: but this is like everyone is being like, oh, well 7 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: that's normal or that's you know, oh, everyone feels that 8 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: way in not validating someone's reality. I think that's something 9 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:33,640 Speaker 1: I seem to be very detrimental for people. Hey, everyone, 10 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,840 Speaker 1: welcome back to our purpose, the number one health podcast 11 00:00:37,000 --> 00:00:39,400 Speaker 1: in the world. Thanks to each and every single one 12 00:00:39,440 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: of you that come back every week to listen, learn 13 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:44,879 Speaker 1: and grow. Now, today's guest is someone that we've been 14 00:00:44,880 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 1: in touch with for a while. I've been wanting to 15 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,800 Speaker 1: speak to her and I couldn't be more excited to 16 00:00:49,880 --> 00:00:54,800 Speaker 1: Welcome to the podcast. Karen Fox an actress, producer, activist, 17 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,840 Speaker 1: and CEO. She was the executive producer of the Netflix 18 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:02,560 Speaker 1: comedy series Ad Stopped Embarrassing Me, which was inspired by 19 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 1: her relationship with her dad, Jamie Fox, who also starred 20 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,000 Speaker 1: in the series. She's also filming a key recurring role 21 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: for the second season of the Hulu comedy series doll 22 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: Face that me and my wife have been watching, and 23 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:16,320 Speaker 1: she's also the co host and DJ on the hit 24 00:01:16,400 --> 00:01:20,360 Speaker 1: Fox television show Beat Shazam. In August twenty twenty, she 25 00:01:20,440 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 1: launched her own podcast alongside her best friend called Am 26 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 1: I Doing This Right? Which acts as a guidebook for 27 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: young people on how to kickstart their adulthood, which I 28 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:35,200 Speaker 1: love listening to. Karin, Welcome to the podcast. Hello. First 29 00:01:35,200 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: of all, I love the way he said adulthood. How 30 00:01:38,280 --> 00:01:42,119 Speaker 1: do you say? No, you guys say it the right way, 31 00:01:43,160 --> 00:01:45,039 Speaker 1: we say the right way. I'm not sure. I mean 32 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: I think so. Yeah, we had we had we had 33 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,880 Speaker 1: movies named so, we had Kidulthood, Adulthood. Have you ever 34 00:01:49,920 --> 00:01:51,520 Speaker 1: seen any of these movies? No, I've never heard it. 35 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: They're actually really good. They're all about the street culture 36 00:01:53,520 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: in London. So oh no, I've never heard of it. 37 00:01:55,640 --> 00:01:59,000 Speaker 1: I forgot that. Yeah. I'm really happy when I get 38 00:01:59,000 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: reminded that I still have my British accent, oh, because 39 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 1: all my brit friends oh constantly teasing me that I've 40 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 1: lost it. Really no, I mean it's gonna it goes 41 00:02:07,600 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 1: far in America where like what British accent like I 42 00:02:10,560 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 1: could listen to you all day. Hearing that intro, I'm like, 43 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: can you read that to me? Every part? Please? Please? Well, well, 44 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:18,600 Speaker 1: for me, it's the other way around, because every time 45 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:21,959 Speaker 1: I hear something in an American accent, it sounds authoritative, 46 00:02:22,120 --> 00:02:25,240 Speaker 1: It sounds like a ted talk. It's really because I 47 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: grew up. I grew up when I stepped foot in 48 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: New York City. When I first moved to America five 49 00:02:30,080 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: years ago, I was like, I'm in a movie because 50 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: to me, everything looks like a set because I grew 51 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:37,720 Speaker 1: up watching American talent. No, that makes sense. I mean 52 00:02:37,760 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 1: New York. When you go to New York, it really 53 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: does feel like that, like it really holds up. When 54 00:02:41,120 --> 00:02:43,160 Speaker 1: you come to La you're like, wait, like it's kind 55 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,919 Speaker 1: of it's not as beautiful as there's some grimy areas, 56 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,480 Speaker 1: or you're like, this doesn't have that magical New yorkness 57 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 1: to it. Well, you were just saying you love London. 58 00:02:51,080 --> 00:02:52,920 Speaker 1: I love. Tell me about your experiences in London. You 59 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: were there for a movie. You said, yeah, I filmed 60 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: my movie forty seven meters down Uncaged, which is a 61 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:01,280 Speaker 1: shark movie. But we filmed in these huge tanks in London. 62 00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 1: But London is mye what do you mean explain? Yeah, please, 63 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:09,840 Speaker 1: So the entire movie is set underwater. First of all, 64 00:03:09,919 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: I lied to the director and told him I knew 65 00:03:12,160 --> 00:03:14,000 Speaker 1: how to swim when I didn't know how to swim. 66 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:17,760 Speaker 1: And but yeah, they built these huge tanks where they 67 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 1: had these really intricate sets underwater, and we were scuba 68 00:03:20,960 --> 00:03:23,280 Speaker 1: diving in the movie. We get lost in these games, 69 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:26,919 Speaker 1: and so we spent months under the surface of the water. 70 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:30,400 Speaker 1: So we'd go into work at six am it was dark, 71 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: go underwater, see no light, then come up at like 72 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 1: eight pm. And I didn't see the sun for basically 73 00:03:37,040 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: didn'tee the sun for months. Wow, I know. And I'd 74 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: have like a little light in my trailer there's like 75 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:43,760 Speaker 1: little UV lights because I was like, this is going 76 00:03:43,800 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: to like negatively affect my mental health. So I was 77 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: like I would sit in like roast in front of 78 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 1: the light at my lunch break. Wait, you actually didn't 79 00:03:50,680 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: see the sun. Oh No, I actually didn't for months. 80 00:03:52,760 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: And they did that as part of getting you into characters. No, No, 81 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:58,280 Speaker 1: it was just because we had to shoot underwater. So 82 00:03:58,320 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: you go inside, you'd go underwater, you come out and 83 00:04:00,840 --> 00:04:02,480 Speaker 1: be dark. Then you'd go do it the next day. 84 00:04:02,520 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: And so it was like, yeah, I don't know if 85 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,960 Speaker 1: I'll ever shoot a movie underwater again. I feel like 86 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:11,119 Speaker 1: I got my the taste of it from that. That's 87 00:04:11,160 --> 00:04:13,080 Speaker 1: that's the last time you lied about being able to swim. 88 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: That Yeah, yeah, I'm gonna be truthful. And it was 89 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:16,600 Speaker 1: my first role. So I was like I'll do anything. 90 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:18,599 Speaker 1: You know. You're like, oh, yeah, I can totally swim, 91 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:20,160 Speaker 1: such a great swimmer. And then they throw you in 92 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:22,200 Speaker 1: the tank the first day and you're dogging paddling and 93 00:04:22,240 --> 00:04:25,000 Speaker 1: they're like, wait, did we guess the wrong girl? Wait? 94 00:04:25,080 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: How how how quick is that learning curve? Because how 95 00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:30,960 Speaker 1: you when you're when you're swimming for your life, it's 96 00:04:31,240 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: pretty quick. It's pretty quick. Um No, I mean I 97 00:04:34,960 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: had to pass the swim test the first day. I didn't. 98 00:04:37,279 --> 00:04:39,880 Speaker 1: I didn't pass it. Um, And they were like, Corrin 99 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: and get it together. I was just dating my boyfriend 100 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,640 Speaker 1: at the time and he's like a lifeguard, like a 101 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 1: certified whatever, and so he was like, Okay, these are 102 00:04:47,279 --> 00:04:49,840 Speaker 1: the techniques to use. He was sending me YouTube videos 103 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 1: and the next day I went and I passed the 104 00:04:51,360 --> 00:04:53,560 Speaker 1: swim test and they're like, Okay, you can now shoot 105 00:04:53,560 --> 00:04:56,120 Speaker 1: the movie. I love that. Yeah, so your boyfriend's like, 106 00:04:56,160 --> 00:04:57,800 Speaker 1: this is how you pretend to be able to do 107 00:04:57,880 --> 00:05:01,119 Speaker 1: front stroke, this is backstroke. It was literally treading water. 108 00:05:01,560 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 1: It was how to tread water video YouTube videos. Well, 109 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,600 Speaker 1: I love that. That's amazing. What gave you the courage 110 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 1: and confidence to be able to say you could do 111 00:05:11,000 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: something and then figure it out? Because I think that 112 00:05:12,960 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: that mindset often works against us, like people have imposter syndrome. 113 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:20,760 Speaker 1: I feel I can't do it, so I can't even 114 00:05:20,760 --> 00:05:22,640 Speaker 1: put my foot forward. What gave you the confidence to 115 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:24,480 Speaker 1: say I can do that, I'll figure it out, which 116 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: you did. Um. I do suffer from imposter syndrome a lot. 117 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: But honestly, and it sounds tacky, but I really think 118 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: my dad was a big, big push in that, and 119 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:39,360 Speaker 1: the fact that, like my entire life, he told me, 120 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: I mean this is a big statement, like you can 121 00:05:42,080 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: do anything, and you are so capable, and like I 122 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: just heard that constantly, and so when I got offered 123 00:05:48,760 --> 00:05:50,480 Speaker 1: this role and I didn't know how to swim, I 124 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:52,520 Speaker 1: kind of heard him like, well you can do anything, 125 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: and I was like, well, I'll figure it out. On 126 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:56,840 Speaker 1: set which is what I did. But I really it 127 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,680 Speaker 1: was instilled this confidence that like I was bull at 128 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 1: a young age, and so I felt confident to do it. 129 00:06:03,640 --> 00:06:05,880 Speaker 1: What was your first experience of that when going back 130 00:06:05,920 --> 00:06:08,960 Speaker 1: with that father daughter relationship, Like when was the first 131 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,240 Speaker 1: time you felt you were hearing that from him? And 132 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 1: what was the first few things you started doing based 133 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 1: on that? Um, I feel like he set up my 134 00:06:16,640 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: whole life, and you know, like when you're a child, 135 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:21,279 Speaker 1: there's not that many things that you have to meet 136 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:23,479 Speaker 1: in that way. I think a lot of that came 137 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,359 Speaker 1: when I was dating in high school and things like 138 00:06:26,400 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 1: that and really instilling in me my worth and just 139 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:32,400 Speaker 1: having like little petty high school you know, breakups and 140 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,320 Speaker 1: being devastated in him, just being like there is no 141 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 1: man that like can ever take away yourself worth, and 142 00:06:38,160 --> 00:06:40,039 Speaker 1: like do you know he always says do you know 143 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:41,680 Speaker 1: who you are? And I don't think he beings in 144 00:06:41,880 --> 00:06:44,640 Speaker 1: my last name, but like in my essence and like 145 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 1: how powerful of a woman I am? And I just 146 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,680 Speaker 1: felt that, I think specifically at that age when I 147 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:53,800 Speaker 1: really needed like a male voice that was like giving 148 00:06:53,839 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: me that confidence when like you know, I had little 149 00:06:56,480 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 1: breakups here and there. Well, you are definitely a powerful person. 150 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 1: You're doing so many incredible things. You are producing, you're 151 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: an activist, you're you host your own podcast. Tell us 152 00:07:08,200 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: about what are you doing to balance all of that? 153 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: Because I find that, especially in you know, your generation, 154 00:07:14,840 --> 00:07:17,840 Speaker 1: my generation, there's this ambition and drive to do a 155 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: lot of things. Yeah, but when you turn it from 156 00:07:20,600 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: idea into implementation, things get real. How have you managed 157 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:27,320 Speaker 1: to be able to dabble in so many things but 158 00:07:27,480 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 1: still you know, figure yourself out? Um, it was tough, 159 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,920 Speaker 1: and there was Recently I realized, Okay, there's a lot 160 00:07:33,960 --> 00:07:36,520 Speaker 1: on my plate and there's a lot of different hats 161 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: I wear and people. I have to be the producer 162 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:40,080 Speaker 1: and then I have to be the actor, and then 163 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: I have to be the host, and then I have 164 00:07:41,280 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 1: to be you know this that, And I realize, okay, 165 00:07:44,040 --> 00:07:47,160 Speaker 1: like I can't do all of this by myself. So 166 00:07:47,200 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: I actually this year got a life coach. And I 167 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 1: don't know if you've ever had one, been one, I 168 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 1: feel like you could be one. Yeah, I'm a life coaching. 169 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: We have our own certification school. Yeah, you're definitely like it, 170 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: but really, just having someone sit down with me and prioritize, okay, 171 00:08:03,640 --> 00:08:07,440 Speaker 1: like what do you want to accomplish first? And like 172 00:08:07,520 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 1: how do we get there? And making deadlines and making 173 00:08:10,960 --> 00:08:12,560 Speaker 1: I think it's just hard when you have so many 174 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:14,640 Speaker 1: passions to figure out, like where do I start? And 175 00:08:14,680 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: it's easy to start a bunch of little things and 176 00:08:16,640 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 1: then not really get to the end of them. And 177 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: so I really needed that structure. So I meet with 178 00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: her every week. We go over my priorities. We figure 179 00:08:23,800 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: out what days I'm going to do what. That's a 180 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:28,840 Speaker 1: big one is scheduling in like I will send this 181 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:31,239 Speaker 1: email at this time. I will do this because things 182 00:08:31,320 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 1: back up, you know, and it's so easy to get behind. 183 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:37,680 Speaker 1: So she's been a godsend and her plus my therapist 184 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:42,079 Speaker 1: equals healthy caren. See I love that. So I actually 185 00:08:42,080 --> 00:08:44,800 Speaker 1: want to dive into that because I think, See I 186 00:08:44,840 --> 00:08:46,440 Speaker 1: love that. So I actually want to dive into that 187 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 1: because I think today we're hearing a lot about a 188 00:08:49,240 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: lot of people. You here say, well, you know, I 189 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:54,760 Speaker 1: was speaking to my therapist and you just said, obviously 190 00:08:54,800 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: you've been figuring out life with your life coach and 191 00:08:56,600 --> 00:09:00,080 Speaker 1: planning and scheduling. Tell me how you find therapists and 192 00:09:00,120 --> 00:09:03,480 Speaker 1: coaches help you personally differently, and and like you just 193 00:09:03,520 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: said now that healthy career equals there's my therapist, which 194 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:10,080 Speaker 1: I love. What are they bringing to that's different from 195 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:11,760 Speaker 1: each other because I think we're living at a time 196 00:09:11,760 --> 00:09:14,960 Speaker 1: where people are kind of becoming what I way therapy is. Yeah, 197 00:09:14,960 --> 00:09:18,760 Speaker 1: but I still feel like coaching is is an unknown art. Yeah. 198 00:09:18,800 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 1: I really didn't even when I went looking for a 199 00:09:21,480 --> 00:09:23,959 Speaker 1: life coach, didn't really know even what I was looking for. 200 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:27,200 Speaker 1: I just knew I had this need that with my therapist, 201 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: you know, we go through trauma, we go through you know, 202 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: you know, my emotional states and how to overcome some things. 203 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,800 Speaker 1: And then I felt like I needed somebody to help me, 204 00:09:38,800 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: not an assistant in a way, but someone who was 205 00:09:41,679 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: just helping me prioritize, you know, all these projects I had. 206 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 1: So I feel like there's like a type A type 207 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: B side too, Like my therapist is from my type 208 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,559 Speaker 1: be creative side that's messy and all over the place, 209 00:09:55,600 --> 00:09:57,680 Speaker 1: and then my Type A side is like my life 210 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: coach was like, let's schedule and play on everything. Yeah. Yeah, 211 00:10:00,280 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: I love that. I've I've always seen it as therapists 212 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 1: help us make sense of what's going on, and then 213 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:12,200 Speaker 1: coaches help us make things happen. Yes, yeah, it's this 214 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,839 Speaker 1: idea of like therapists they help us unpack our past, 215 00:10:15,240 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: they help us untangle what's going on. They help us 216 00:10:19,000 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: really move on from our past, and then coaches help 217 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 1: you go. Well, where do you want to be? Let's 218 00:10:24,000 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: use your present to get there. And I you know, 219 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:29,199 Speaker 1: I encourage everyone to have both coaches and therapists in 220 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,840 Speaker 1: their life because I think that's a brilliant What even 221 00:10:31,920 --> 00:10:33,600 Speaker 1: urge you to go out there? Like? How did you 222 00:10:34,080 --> 00:10:35,960 Speaker 1: think about that? What was going on in your life 223 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: where you were like, I need help in my life 224 00:10:38,160 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 1: because I think asking for help or looking for help, 225 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:44,880 Speaker 1: either from family or friends, sometimes we could even get 226 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,240 Speaker 1: in our own way. I was speaking to a friend 227 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 1: the other day and he was telling me how someone 228 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: in his life just no matter how much he's trying 229 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: to support or facilitate, that person won't accept help. How 230 00:10:58,000 --> 00:11:00,400 Speaker 1: do you feel we can all open up to accept 231 00:11:00,520 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: more help in our life and know that it's okay 232 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: to one help. I think it's a self worth thing, 233 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,199 Speaker 1: you know. I feel like a lot of people don't 234 00:11:08,280 --> 00:11:10,719 Speaker 1: feel worthy of help or don't don't want to be 235 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,640 Speaker 1: a burden. And I think for me, I mean when 236 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 1: I was diagnosed with an anxiety to sort of at 237 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: age fourteen, I was the type of person where I 238 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: was like, I want to go to therapist, I want 239 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: to do workbooks, I want to like I was just 240 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,720 Speaker 1: very much so like I don't want to be held 241 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,680 Speaker 1: back by this, And so I think I applied that 242 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,200 Speaker 1: later on in life when I was realizing, Okay, I'm 243 00:11:31,200 --> 00:11:34,920 Speaker 1: feeling confused, I'm feeling lost, I don't know where to start, 244 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:37,240 Speaker 1: I don't know how to finish things like now I 245 00:11:37,280 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: need a different form of help, and so I feel 246 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:43,440 Speaker 1: like I was just someone who naturally gravitated towards that. 247 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:46,680 Speaker 1: But I do think it's about feeling worthy and feeling 248 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:51,000 Speaker 1: deserving of help and eliminating that feeling of being a 249 00:11:51,000 --> 00:11:54,079 Speaker 1: burden on someone else. Absolutely, I love that. That's such 250 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: a Topfulanzer, Thank you for that, because I think so 251 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: many people right now are going to be listening to 252 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,360 Speaker 1: what you just said. And I'm that if you listen 253 00:12:01,440 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: deeply to what Karina said, that's going to urge you 254 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:07,200 Speaker 1: to break through that. Yeah, And on the other side 255 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: of it, I think people love offering help you know, 256 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,559 Speaker 1: people want to feel needed and want to feel purposeful, 257 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,600 Speaker 1: and so you're you're also giving you know, people an 258 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: opportunity to show up for you. Yeah. I think giving 259 00:12:18,240 --> 00:12:20,880 Speaker 1: and getting up both privileges, right. It's like that idea 260 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: of if you have something to give and you're able 261 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,400 Speaker 1: to give, that's an honor. Yeah. And and for someone 262 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: else to have someone to give that's ready to receive, 263 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:30,880 Speaker 1: that's an honor too, and I think you forget that. 264 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 1: So I love that you spoke earlier about your father 265 00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:37,080 Speaker 1: and the advice he gave you and how that's kept 266 00:12:37,120 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 1: you going. But then you also have a show called 267 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:42,719 Speaker 1: Dad Stop Embarrassing Me. So so Dad's on one end, 268 00:12:42,720 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, Dad gave you this really good advice. Yeah, 269 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,480 Speaker 1: and that's like, Dad, stop embarrassing me. How many times 270 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: have you felt both those emotions in the same day, 271 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:52,960 Speaker 1: every day, every single day? No. I mean my dad 272 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,760 Speaker 1: and I have such a funny, like yin yang relationship 273 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: where he is this like over the top performative guy. 274 00:13:00,000 --> 00:13:02,000 Speaker 1: He was drawing attention to himself all the time, and 275 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,280 Speaker 1: I was more reserved and quiet growing up, and so 276 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,200 Speaker 1: that was just this perfect storm for him to embarrass me, 277 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: and because he's drawing attention to himself all the time. 278 00:13:11,400 --> 00:13:13,440 Speaker 1: When you're a teenage girl, that's the last thing you 279 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,200 Speaker 1: ever want your dad to do, regardless of if he's 280 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,079 Speaker 1: famous or not. You don't you want your dad to 281 00:13:18,080 --> 00:13:20,440 Speaker 1: fly under the radar. And so we had all these 282 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,440 Speaker 1: funny moments of like him doing too much or showing 283 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:27,960 Speaker 1: up at my cheerleading game wearing like super tight clothes 284 00:13:28,000 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 1: and me being like, ah, that's so embarrassing. And so 285 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,319 Speaker 1: we just wrote episodes and pitched it to Netflix and 286 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,760 Speaker 1: they loved it, and so it was such a cathartic 287 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:38,280 Speaker 1: thing for the both of us because at the time 288 00:13:38,559 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 1: I was really embarrassed. You know, it wasn't a joke. 289 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: At the time. When you're sixteen seventeen, it feels like 290 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: the end of the world. So it was like full 291 00:13:45,760 --> 00:13:47,600 Speaker 1: circle for us to look back and like laugh at 292 00:13:47,600 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 1: these things that maybe at the time weren't as funny. Yeah, 293 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: I love that. The thing I love most about is 294 00:13:52,440 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: I'm not a dad yet, but I can imagine that 295 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,520 Speaker 1: if I when I become a dad, and if I'm 296 00:13:56,559 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: lucky enough to have a daughter, then I feel like 297 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 1: I'm going to be I'm gonna be doing crazy things, right, Yeah, Like, 298 00:14:02,840 --> 00:14:06,000 Speaker 1: what would be your advice to people that are about 299 00:14:06,000 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: to become dads of the warnings of one are the 300 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: things that embarrassing one are the things that are good. 301 00:14:10,200 --> 00:14:11,760 Speaker 1: I mean at the end of the day that I 302 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: think that is part of your job description as a dad, 303 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: Like embarrassing your your child. I think it's part of it. 304 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: I think it's a rite of passage for kids to 305 00:14:20,440 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: go through. So I don't really want to steer away 306 00:14:22,840 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: from it. But I would say in my dad's experience, 307 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:29,000 Speaker 1: my dad was very He liked to play pretend he 308 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,840 Speaker 1: was a bad cop with boyfriends. Yes, I can imagine, 309 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 1: and he's not at all. He's like unemotional. He's an actor. 310 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: I mean he cries all the time. He's like not 311 00:14:37,960 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: like that at all. But he loved to put on 312 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,320 Speaker 1: the you know, I'm going to bring my shotgun, you know, 313 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:47,120 Speaker 1: that whole thing. And that was just like, Dad, I'm learning. 314 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:49,480 Speaker 1: Just let me give me this vace to just grow 315 00:14:49,520 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: and figure this out. You don't have to fight my 316 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: battles for me. We have an episode on the show, 317 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,080 Speaker 1: it's episode two, I think, where he goes like knocking 318 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:58,680 Speaker 1: on the boyfriend's door with all of his friends, And 319 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:00,960 Speaker 1: you really did that in real life to my high 320 00:15:00,960 --> 00:15:03,120 Speaker 1: school boyfriend. He went knocking on a store to try to, 321 00:15:03,320 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: I don't know, scare him off. I don't know if 322 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:08,200 Speaker 1: you wanted to do. I was like, that's amazing. What 323 00:15:08,520 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: what do you think it is when as kids? I 324 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:14,760 Speaker 1: feel like when we're growing up, we're sometimes we're embarrassed 325 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 1: of them, sometimes we're embarrassed for them, sometimes we're embarrassed 326 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 1: for ourselves. But then as we grow older, I feel 327 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:21,600 Speaker 1: like a lot of us develop a sense of gratitude 328 00:15:21,600 --> 00:15:26,160 Speaker 1: and yeah, and connection. Was there ever a time where 329 00:15:26,200 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 1: you felt you were bitter or resentful towards your parents? 330 00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: Not for anything legitimate, but just as a young kid 331 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: growing up, were you really just don't how are you 332 00:15:35,600 --> 00:15:37,600 Speaker 1: able to overcome that? How do you think that healed 333 00:15:37,640 --> 00:15:39,440 Speaker 1: over time? When you you kind of like, oh, I 334 00:15:39,560 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: really wish they didn't do that something more serious, not 335 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,200 Speaker 1: as funny. Yeah, and then how do you kind of 336 00:15:44,400 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: overcome that as an adult? Yeah? Well, my dad just 337 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:49,600 Speaker 1: put out a book, but he talks about in the 338 00:15:49,600 --> 00:15:52,160 Speaker 1: book we went to therapy together when when I was 339 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 1: in high schooler or maybe you're in college. Because we 340 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: were kind of butting heads a lot, I felt like 341 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:00,680 Speaker 1: you really didn't understand me, and so I feel like 342 00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: for me, I was really lucky because both my parents 343 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,680 Speaker 1: listened to me and they were able to like, at 344 00:16:06,760 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: least let me have my platform, even if they didn't understand. 345 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: And I think it's very normal as a kid to 346 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: go through that, like my parents don't get me and 347 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:16,920 Speaker 1: they don't get what I want to do. And we 348 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: definitely had those moments where, you know, and it's funny 349 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 1: to say this, but going to college. My dad went 350 00:16:22,520 --> 00:16:24,880 Speaker 1: to college but didn't graduate, so he didn't really understand 351 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: like how impactful that was going to be for me. 352 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: And that was actually a point of contention for us 353 00:16:28,120 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: where I was like, I'm going to college and he's like, 354 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: why you don't have to go, Like you can just 355 00:16:32,440 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: get into the industry, and I was like, no, this 356 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:36,040 Speaker 1: is what I want to do and I need you 357 00:16:36,080 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: to respect this, which sounds crazy to be telling a 358 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: parent that, but he didn't really understand. And those were 359 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: times where I was like, you just have to listen 360 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 1: to me. And then when I graduated, he was like crying. 361 00:16:45,640 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: He was like, oh my god like. Of course, this 362 00:16:48,160 --> 00:16:51,320 Speaker 1: is such a huge accomplishment, and I just didn't understand 363 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: what this meant to you, and I do now. Yeah, Wow, 364 00:16:55,360 --> 00:16:59,320 Speaker 1: I thank you for sharing that. I want to share 365 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 1: with you biggest news of the year. How many of 366 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: you want to meditate? I can see your heads nodding, 367 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,120 Speaker 1: I can see you raising your hands. 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It's so it's so interesting to 386 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:22,159 Speaker 1: just hear about relationships and ups and downs because I 387 00:18:22,240 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: think everyone's kind of on their own journey and everyone's 388 00:18:24,320 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: listening and watching has a different experience or position with 389 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,560 Speaker 1: their family. And I think hearing this, I think what 390 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:34,880 Speaker 1: I've always found that when when I hear about positive 391 00:18:35,200 --> 00:18:38,320 Speaker 1: experiences of parenting or anything, I always think for people, 392 00:18:38,320 --> 00:18:41,840 Speaker 1: I'm like, if you didn't get that, try and be there. Yeah, 393 00:18:41,840 --> 00:18:44,440 Speaker 1: And that's and that's how you also get to experience 394 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:46,280 Speaker 1: that because I think about them, like, there may be 395 00:18:46,320 --> 00:18:47,960 Speaker 1: a lot of people listening going, well, I didn't get that. 396 00:18:48,000 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: I wish I had that, And I'm like, but then 397 00:18:50,119 --> 00:18:52,320 Speaker 1: we can have that opportunity to go and be that 398 00:18:52,800 --> 00:18:55,520 Speaker 1: and and try and have that experience that way, so 399 00:18:55,560 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 1: that you still get to experience in your life. Yeah. 400 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,439 Speaker 1: And I mean I think that just goes to so 401 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:02,159 Speaker 1: many other things too, like healing your own trauma so 402 00:19:02,200 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 1: that you don't, you know, continue to pass it on 403 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:07,399 Speaker 1: to you know, generation generations. And I feel like our 404 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:09,840 Speaker 1: our generation is a lot more aware of, you know, 405 00:19:09,840 --> 00:19:12,000 Speaker 1: our mental health and the things that I've happened to 406 00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: us and like healing them now so we don't pass 407 00:19:14,800 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 1: them on later, you know. Yeah, well, thank you for 408 00:19:16,760 --> 00:19:20,880 Speaker 1: including me in your generation. You're you're you're much younger, yes, 409 00:19:20,960 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: your millennial yes, okay, okay, okay. But that's a great 410 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 1: segue because months ago you posted on your Instagram Karin's 411 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 1: Guide to Wollness. Yeah. I love that, and I loved 412 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,040 Speaker 1: what you were sharing there. I wanted to know where 413 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:38,200 Speaker 1: did you come up with that list from and how 414 00:19:38,240 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: did it develop, and and why did you feel the 415 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:42,600 Speaker 1: need to share it too, because I think that's that 416 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:45,720 Speaker 1: was so powerful that you did that. Um. Yeah, I 417 00:19:45,760 --> 00:19:48,480 Speaker 1: mean my mental health journey started when I was fourteen, 418 00:19:48,520 --> 00:19:51,080 Speaker 1: when I was diagnosed with anxiety. And at the time, 419 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:53,919 Speaker 1: there was no conversation for mental health. There was no hashtags, 420 00:19:53,920 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 1: there was no social media, there was no brands doing 421 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 1: self care Sunday like that just wasn't a thing, and 422 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:03,280 Speaker 1: so I had to spend many years just doing a 423 00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 1: lot of my own research on what anxiety was and 424 00:20:06,600 --> 00:20:09,120 Speaker 1: how to treat it and what worked for me. So 425 00:20:09,200 --> 00:20:11,400 Speaker 1: over time I developed this list in my phone, which 426 00:20:11,400 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: is what you're referring to. I just screenshot at it 427 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: post on my Instagram of things that worked for me 428 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 1: and like what made me feel better, and it was 429 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: like working out, going to therapy, and it's very specific 430 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:22,840 Speaker 1: for me. It's like one to two times a week, 431 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: you know, And I don't recommend it, and I think 432 00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: I wrote, like, I don't recommend that for everyone, but 433 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:30,160 Speaker 1: I just started writing things, Oh, working out works, OH, 434 00:20:30,200 --> 00:20:32,680 Speaker 1: going to therapy works. Oh journaling works for me, OH 435 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:34,879 Speaker 1: meditating works for me. And I would just keep adding 436 00:20:34,880 --> 00:20:37,200 Speaker 1: to my list so that you know, when you're having 437 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:40,200 Speaker 1: you're in a really anxious moment or you're going through 438 00:20:40,240 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: a tough time, it's hard to remember all of the 439 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: tools you have. You're like, I don't remember anything. So 440 00:20:45,600 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: it was nice for me to have it in my 441 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 1: phone so I could reference it, you know, if I 442 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,879 Speaker 1: needed it. When you went through it at fourteen, what 443 00:20:51,920 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: would the conversations like at school or like with friends 444 00:20:56,119 --> 00:20:59,439 Speaker 1: or with even your parents, Like I can imagine that 445 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:01,639 Speaker 1: I agree with you that now we're living at a 446 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,440 Speaker 1: time where you just opened up a social media app 447 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,600 Speaker 1: and that'll be someone talking about mental health or right 448 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:08,920 Speaker 1: someone sharing something, or a brand's doing something, or there's 449 00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:11,879 Speaker 1: an event for mental health and there's more therapists and 450 00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: coaches in the world at that point. Tell me how 451 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: that dialogue went for you in terms of getting the 452 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: diagnosis and then figuring out next steps, and how did 453 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:24,280 Speaker 1: people respond at school? What did kids know? Did your 454 00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:28,960 Speaker 1: friends know? Like, No, No, I didn't feel comfortable enough 455 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 1: to share it. I was really really ashamed of it, 456 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:32,960 Speaker 1: and I felt like I didn't want to be called 457 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 1: the C word, which is crazy, and because I didn't 458 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,960 Speaker 1: really know what it was and people weren't talking about it, 459 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: so I want years where I didn't tell any of 460 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:43,800 Speaker 1: my friends. I immediately told my parents, though, because I 461 00:21:43,880 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: got to the point where I didn't want to go 462 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:47,880 Speaker 1: to school. I was so anxious that I couldn't even 463 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,600 Speaker 1: sit in a classroom. So I knew in my head, Okay, 464 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: something's wrong. I know other kids can't be feeling this way. 465 00:21:53,960 --> 00:21:56,440 Speaker 1: And that's how I got started going to therapy. And 466 00:21:56,440 --> 00:21:59,240 Speaker 1: I've had the same therapist since I was fourteen. I 467 00:21:59,240 --> 00:22:03,439 Speaker 1: love this woman so much. But yeah, but but no, 468 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: it took me a long time to be able to 469 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,680 Speaker 1: like and it sounds weird, but like come out and 470 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:11,720 Speaker 1: say I have anxiety. And I did that through an 471 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: article I wrote for Refinery twenty nine in like twenty seventeen, 472 00:22:15,640 --> 00:22:19,360 Speaker 1: twenty eighteen, and I was terrified. I was really terrified 473 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,320 Speaker 1: to tell the world that I had anxiety, which sounds crazy, 474 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 1: not too the C word, but it sounds, you know, 475 00:22:25,320 --> 00:22:28,399 Speaker 1: unbelievable now because there's so much there's so much of 476 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:31,520 Speaker 1: a conversation for it. Yeah. Absolutely, And what were you 477 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: experiencing then, Like when you said you anxious to go 478 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 1: to school? What did that feel like? What did that 479 00:22:36,560 --> 00:22:38,360 Speaker 1: mean at that time for you? It was I mean 480 00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,439 Speaker 1: there was a lot of physical anxiety symptoms. So it 481 00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:43,679 Speaker 1: was like my palms were setting my you know, my 482 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: heart's being out of my chest. I keep thinking that 483 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: a plane is going to hit the school. Like I 484 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 1: just these irrational fears and thoughts and panic attacks and 485 00:22:53,160 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: things like that. I struggled with panic disorder for a 486 00:22:55,760 --> 00:22:58,760 Speaker 1: long time. Seventy five percent of mental health conditions start 487 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:00,959 Speaker 1: between the age of fourteen and twenty four, so I 488 00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 1: was like right on part like fourteen years old. It's 489 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: just you know, showed up. And I've been in therapy 490 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: ever since. Yeah, no, but that's it's it's incredible that 491 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 1: you've been able to find the advice, seek the advice, 492 00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,639 Speaker 1: build it, then be honest about sharing it, especially at 493 00:23:15,640 --> 00:23:18,000 Speaker 1: a time when it is hard as a fourteen year 494 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: old ye not know what's going on. Then you can't 495 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,040 Speaker 1: talk to your friends about it because you don't know 496 00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: how they're going to react and what words they're going 497 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 1: to use. And then you've got the added challenge of like, well, 498 00:23:26,680 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 1: now my parents know because they have to know, and 499 00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:32,120 Speaker 1: where's this going. But it sounds like when I look 500 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:33,919 Speaker 1: at that Curren's Guide to Wellness and I look at 501 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 1: things like socializing with friends twice a week, right, you 502 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: all said giving back once a month, which I want 503 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: to dive into some of those. But I love what 504 00:23:42,160 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: you said, and it was you said it so simply, 505 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,560 Speaker 1: but it's actually so profound. You just said, I was 506 00:23:46,600 --> 00:23:49,920 Speaker 1: creating a toolkit for myself because when you're feeling anxious, 507 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,159 Speaker 1: you forget what to do. Oh yeah, when you go 508 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: to your tool kit, you're like, oh, this is this 509 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,520 Speaker 1: is the stuff I need to do. And I think 510 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,719 Speaker 1: that's such a great way of putting it for anyone 511 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,200 Speaker 1: and everyone. It's like you have to create a guide 512 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:04,840 Speaker 1: when you're not experiencing anxiety so that when you're in anxiety, 513 00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,160 Speaker 1: you know what to look at exactly. Let's dive into 514 00:24:07,160 --> 00:24:09,320 Speaker 1: some of those When you say socializing with friends twice 515 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 1: a week, what was the type of socializing that helped 516 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,400 Speaker 1: you relieve anxiety versus one type of socializing actually created 517 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:17,720 Speaker 1: more of it? Right, Like being in college and going 518 00:24:17,720 --> 00:24:20,560 Speaker 1: to a college party, Maybe isn't the type of socializing 519 00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:23,840 Speaker 1: that's going to relieve anxiety. But I'm like meaningful conversations, 520 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:27,240 Speaker 1: movie nights, going out to dinner, or just being with 521 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,520 Speaker 1: like a close knit group of friends. Yeah, that definitely 522 00:24:30,560 --> 00:24:33,000 Speaker 1: doesn't refer to just like hitting the town. Maybe that 523 00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 1: works for some people. Again, it's like for me, but 524 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:39,200 Speaker 1: for me, it was just having real conversations and just 525 00:24:39,400 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: you know, being in company. I think when you feel 526 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: anxious or depressed, you tend to go inward, and I realize, okay, 527 00:24:45,359 --> 00:24:49,040 Speaker 1: I have to force myself to go outwards, you know, 528 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,480 Speaker 1: when I'm feeling when I'm not feeling well. Yeah, what 529 00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: are some of the mistakes you think you've seen that 530 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: parents make? Like, so maybe there's parents listening to this, 531 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,920 Speaker 1: young parents or parents with young kids listening to the 532 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,199 Speaker 1: podcast right now. What are some of the things that 533 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: you think really hard when your child's going through it? 534 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: But from a child's perspective who's or a teenager's perspective 535 00:25:11,080 --> 00:25:13,720 Speaker 1: who's experiencing anxiety, What are some of the things parents 536 00:25:13,760 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 1: can do better? And what are some of the mistakes 537 00:25:15,160 --> 00:25:18,000 Speaker 1: you've seen people made, especially through your ambassador and active 538 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:21,400 Speaker 1: activists work. I'm sure you're hearing a lot of teenagers say, well, 539 00:25:21,920 --> 00:25:24,320 Speaker 1: my parents don't understand this, or my parents are pushing this. 540 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:25,719 Speaker 1: What are some of the things you can give us 541 00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: to think about. Um, I mean, I'm not a parent, 542 00:25:28,359 --> 00:25:30,640 Speaker 1: so I don't know. I think what my parents did 543 00:25:30,680 --> 00:25:33,240 Speaker 1: really great is hearing me and then you know, coming 544 00:25:33,280 --> 00:25:34,560 Speaker 1: up like what are we going to do now and 545 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 1: making me feel like really safe, and the fact that 546 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:39,720 Speaker 1: they were going to you know, find me someone to 547 00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 1: talk to and like you know, get me there and 548 00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 1: things like that. But I also really wanted to go 549 00:25:44,720 --> 00:25:47,040 Speaker 1: to therapy, and so I don't know if like forcing 550 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:51,080 Speaker 1: a child who's not ready that could I saw that 551 00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:54,359 Speaker 1: with other friends of mine really backfire and put a 552 00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: bad taste in their mouth for therapy later on, and 553 00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: so I think it's really like just being present isn't 554 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 1: listening to what your child needs and if they're coming 555 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:06,239 Speaker 1: to you like feeling honored because it's it takes a 556 00:26:06,280 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: lot to share with your parents, you know, especially at 557 00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 1: that age when you are kind of starting to really 558 00:26:11,400 --> 00:26:13,320 Speaker 1: want your own independence. It's like, now I have to 559 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: lean on my parents more. And so yeah, I mean 560 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 1: I think another thing, and this isn't just parents, but 561 00:26:19,720 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 1: this is like everyone is is being like, oh, well 562 00:26:22,080 --> 00:26:25,440 Speaker 1: that's normal or that's you know, oh everyone feels that way, 563 00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: and not validating someone's reality. I think that's something I 564 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,560 Speaker 1: seem to be very detrimental for people. Yeah, well thank you, 565 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,359 Speaker 1: and yeah, I completely agree. I know you're not a parent, 566 00:26:36,400 --> 00:26:38,720 Speaker 1: but I always feel like it's interesting for parents to 567 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 1: hear it from kids. Yeah, and it's almost like we've 568 00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: all been children, and I feel like we forget that 569 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:46,760 Speaker 1: when we become an adult or you become a parent 570 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 1: and sort of hear it from and even what you 571 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:51,679 Speaker 1: shared about your friends and saying like, actually, what we 572 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: don't want is that everyone listens to this podcast and 573 00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:55,399 Speaker 1: then goes to their kid and says you need to 574 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:57,560 Speaker 1: go to therapy. Look what you know, yeah, and then 575 00:26:57,600 --> 00:26:59,399 Speaker 1: that kid's like, but I don't want to go to therapy. 576 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:01,879 Speaker 1: And then what you just said that when someone feels 577 00:27:01,920 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: forced to do that, that actually ruins that experience for 578 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:07,200 Speaker 1: them even in the future. And so I think that's 579 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: a that's a great insight that I think could easily 580 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,600 Speaker 1: be missed because I think a lot of people do 581 00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: hear a piece of advice and then go, Okay, well 582 00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:17,680 Speaker 1: that's what my kid needs to do. But being present 583 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:21,680 Speaker 1: listening is u yeah, and there's other like outlets for anxiety. 584 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,480 Speaker 1: There's you know, music, or there's you know, like there's 585 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,360 Speaker 1: other things. Like I really love journaling as a kid, 586 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:29,080 Speaker 1: like I just grew up doing I still do it 587 00:27:29,119 --> 00:27:30,960 Speaker 1: now and like that was so cathartic for me and 588 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 1: almost as healing as therapy, and so like, if that's 589 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,320 Speaker 1: not the thing, and that's this is the whole thing. 590 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,960 Speaker 1: When I talk about mental health, it's it's trial and error, right, 591 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:40,879 Speaker 1: Like it doesn't work for everyone, and so you have 592 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,879 Speaker 1: to try one thing and be like, oh, Okay, that 593 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 1: didn't work, let me try this. And that's how my 594 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: list was created, was I did a million other things 595 00:27:48,040 --> 00:27:51,280 Speaker 1: besides the ten things on there that didn't work. Yes, yeah, exactly. 596 00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,080 Speaker 1: Me and my wife actually started a new I don't know, 597 00:27:54,119 --> 00:27:55,960 Speaker 1: maybe when this is out it will be maybe not. 598 00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:58,280 Speaker 1: We've been doing a new series of doing things together 599 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 1: that's meant to relieve your anxiety. Oh my gosh. Yeah. 600 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 1: And so we went last week we went to this 601 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:06,400 Speaker 1: video's not out here, but we went to a break room. 602 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:07,879 Speaker 1: I don't know if you've ever been to Are you 603 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,080 Speaker 1: hit things? Were you hit things? So we were not 604 00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: feeling stressed or anxious that day. And actually being with 605 00:28:14,080 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: my wife is like one of my favorite things. Like 606 00:28:15,880 --> 00:28:17,919 Speaker 1: I love filming with her. I'm always just like if 607 00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:19,919 Speaker 1: I could just be with you all there would be amazing. 608 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: And so we're off there to this rage room to 609 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,040 Speaker 1: break stuff and we walk into this room and it 610 00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:28,000 Speaker 1: literally feels like I'm in a set of the movie Sore. 611 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,120 Speaker 1: Walk in and then you see all these like computers, there, 612 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: there's bottles, there's everything because and then there's like all 613 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:39,000 Speaker 1: these different baseball bats and lead pipes and all this 614 00:28:39,080 --> 00:28:40,600 Speaker 1: kind of stuff. You want to be in there with 615 00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 1: the wrong person, Yeah, you don't want to be in there. 616 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,120 Speaker 1: And the thing is, you know what was really interesting 617 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,560 Speaker 1: Me and my wife went in there, and we walked 618 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:50,280 Speaker 1: out feeling more anxious than we didn't walking in because 619 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,800 Speaker 1: we realized that we don't like breaking stuff. During that, 620 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,080 Speaker 1: even if I was dressed, I was like, I don't 621 00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 1: really want to break stuff. I don't. We were like, 622 00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:01,280 Speaker 1: my wife's holding them, and you know what my wife's like, 623 00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:06,400 Speaker 1: and she's holding a bottle and she's like yeah, And 624 00:29:06,400 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: then I'm like trying to break stuff and I'm using 625 00:29:08,520 --> 00:29:10,080 Speaker 1: all my force when I'm like, this is not making 626 00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 1: me happy, it's actually giving me anxiety. And then I 627 00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: read a study afterwards that said if you're anxious before, 628 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 1: it relieves it, but if you're not anxious before, it 629 00:29:18,840 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: creates it. And I was like I should have learn 630 00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: this before. And the day the wrong day. And the 631 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:25,480 Speaker 1: best thing, well, the funniest thing was when we came out. 632 00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:28,000 Speaker 1: I was talking to the lady who uh, you know, 633 00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 1: was there and knew about the experience, and she was 634 00:29:30,120 --> 00:29:32,400 Speaker 1: saying that people come there when they get divorced or 635 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: break ups, and then they often put like pictures of 636 00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:37,840 Speaker 1: the person and then you know, and I was like, oh, 637 00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: that makes sense, now I get it. But again it's 638 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:41,959 Speaker 1: like different things work for different people that day. We 639 00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: also did a splatter room, which is where you get 640 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 1: lots of paint and you get to paint canvases. Oh 641 00:29:47,040 --> 00:29:49,800 Speaker 1: that's cool and it was so fun, like we were 642 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: both just like I would do this every week because 643 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,640 Speaker 1: it was so nice to make a mess without having 644 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:58,760 Speaker 1: any repercussions, right that it's like a different type of 645 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: mess than the one before totally. And no. I will 646 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:06,920 Speaker 1: say though, for one of my self care tools is 647 00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: like whenever I had a breakup, I always took up 648 00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:11,840 Speaker 1: boxing at that time, and you know, like you know, 649 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,959 Speaker 1: and it was very cathartic. You picture your excess spacing, 650 00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 1: you just punch it, you know, and so but exactly 651 00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,320 Speaker 1: when you're in that space, when you need that outlet, 652 00:30:20,360 --> 00:30:22,360 Speaker 1: it makes sense. But when you're just going in, it's 653 00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:25,440 Speaker 1: like this feels not good to me. Yeah, exactly, going 654 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,400 Speaker 1: to a more beautiful one. Giving back once a month. 655 00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about that, like, first of all, 656 00:30:32,200 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: when did you discover that that was something that really 657 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: helped you? And give me some examples of the things 658 00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: you've done over time, especially when you were younger and 659 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,080 Speaker 1: now today as well, Like what are some of the 660 00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: things that you've done that you felt were really a 661 00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,960 Speaker 1: big part of that giving back that made a difference. Yeah, 662 00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,959 Speaker 1: I mean, my philanthropic work and my advocacy work is 663 00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 1: some of my favorite work that I do. And so 664 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: because I am an ambassador for NOMI, the National Alliance 665 00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 1: for Mental Illness, and because I work with other organizations 666 00:30:58,360 --> 00:31:00,680 Speaker 1: like I get to do that on a large scale 667 00:31:00,960 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: very often now. But before I was just something I 668 00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 1: had to put in my schedule. When I was at USC, 669 00:31:07,560 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: I used to just volunteer at a local homeless shelter 670 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: every Sunday or Saturday morning, and I just you know, 671 00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: give the meals and things like that. And so I 672 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,520 Speaker 1: think just thinking outside of yourself, because again, when you're 673 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 1: anxious or you're depressed or whatever you get it, you 674 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:25,000 Speaker 1: get so consumed and you get stuck in a rut 675 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,080 Speaker 1: in your head. And when you think outside of yourself, like, oh, 676 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 1: someone else's needs right now, and at least for thirty 677 00:31:31,120 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 1: minutes an hour, Like you're not worried about yourself. We're 678 00:31:34,040 --> 00:31:36,160 Speaker 1: not worried about all the things that are making you 679 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:39,000 Speaker 1: feel anxious or depressed or whatever. And so I found 680 00:31:39,040 --> 00:31:41,280 Speaker 1: that to be very healing for me. And then now 681 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,200 Speaker 1: to be able to do that on a large scale 682 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: and speak with Nami and lobby Congress and all that stuff. 683 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,440 Speaker 1: It's giving back on a bigger scale, but it still 684 00:31:49,520 --> 00:31:52,520 Speaker 1: provides relief for me. Yeah, I love that, And all 685 00:31:52,600 --> 00:31:55,080 Speaker 1: the studies back that up and show that. Yeah, even 686 00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:58,040 Speaker 1: when we're experiencing anxiety and stress, when we go and 687 00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: relieve the anxiety and stress of others or feel like 688 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:04,800 Speaker 1: we're working on that, it massively impacts how we feel. Yeah, 689 00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:06,920 Speaker 1: that's such a great job, not to just do things 690 00:32:07,240 --> 00:32:10,880 Speaker 1: for myself, but you know it does. There is a 691 00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:13,960 Speaker 1: reciprocal thing. When you're you know, giving back, you're also 692 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:16,520 Speaker 1: and we said that earlier, you're also you know getting 693 00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:19,240 Speaker 1: something from it as well. Yeah. Absolutely, And when you're 694 00:32:19,240 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: in some of those rooms, like when you're lobbying Congress 695 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: or like standing up for a write or do you 696 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,200 Speaker 1: ever feel like you ever like what am I doing? 697 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:29,680 Speaker 1: Like I can't believe I'm here, Like from having experienced 698 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: anxiety to now like being an activist, And that's that's 699 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,320 Speaker 1: an amazing journey in and of itself. Yeah, when I 700 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:39,440 Speaker 1: lobbied Congress with Nami and I remember we were getting 701 00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,840 Speaker 1: off the bus at DC, did to walk up the 702 00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 1: steps of the Capitol. I was like, every anxious moment, 703 00:32:48,120 --> 00:32:51,600 Speaker 1: panic attack was worth it to be standing here because 704 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: I felt like, you know, of those have a very 705 00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 1: few moments you're like me, feel like everything's come to 706 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: this moment. And there were days where like the struggle 707 00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,959 Speaker 1: was real. You know, I was really having panic attacks. 708 00:33:02,960 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 1: I really didn't want to go to school. I really 709 00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 1: didn't want to do these things. There was a time 710 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: in which I couldn't leave my house and it was 711 00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:10,480 Speaker 1: just like Wow, to go through all of that, to 712 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 1: overcome it all and then to be standing here and 713 00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:16,080 Speaker 1: championing for somebody else, like it just makes it feel 714 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,520 Speaker 1: like it wasn't for nothing, you know. Yeah, absolutely, that's 715 00:33:19,560 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I love that journey because I think 716 00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 1: when you can see it and wherever you are, if 717 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,680 Speaker 1: anyone who's listening or watching right now, wherever you are 718 00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: on that journey, that journey of you from school to 719 00:33:31,000 --> 00:33:34,480 Speaker 1: the Capitol is full of tiny little steps. Yes, oh 720 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 1: my gosh, it does not happen overnight. Yeah, It's just 721 00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,600 Speaker 1: these tiny little steps, these tiny shifts, these tiny changes, 722 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: and then you get this big moment where you get 723 00:33:42,120 --> 00:33:44,600 Speaker 1: to stand up for something you believe in, which is beautiful. 724 00:33:44,640 --> 00:33:47,520 Speaker 1: One of the other habits that you wrote down, which 725 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,400 Speaker 1: I loved, was God's Spirit connect church on Sunday, And 726 00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,120 Speaker 1: I was thinking, is that something that's been a part 727 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: of your life since you were Yeah? I was. I 728 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:59,760 Speaker 1: was raised. My mom was a very new age growing up, 729 00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: and so at the time, like law of attraction and 730 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 1: all that stuff was like very woo woo, and I 731 00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,920 Speaker 1: didn't really tell kids at school that that's really what 732 00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,160 Speaker 1: we were doing at home. But now now, of course 733 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 1: everybody in LA does it, but which I love. But yeah, 734 00:34:13,760 --> 00:34:15,320 Speaker 1: it was like very normal for me. It used to 735 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:18,680 Speaker 1: go to Agape I don't know, if you know, Yeah, yeah, 736 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,200 Speaker 1: and so I grew up there like going to their 737 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 1: kids room, and so I still watch it now even 738 00:34:23,239 --> 00:34:26,080 Speaker 1: though it's you know, virtual, But yeah, I think my 739 00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:30,000 Speaker 1: meditation practice too, is like a huge part of my 740 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:34,160 Speaker 1: mental health toolkit. And just sitting and getting quiet and 741 00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 1: connecting and feeling like there's something else, you know, or 742 00:34:37,880 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 1: there's meaning to all of this for me is really relieving. Yeah, 743 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: And that's and has that been a habit that you've 744 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:49,040 Speaker 1: continued even during the pandemic. I guess you're saying virtually. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 745 00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,279 Speaker 1: how has that been sustained during this time? Because I 746 00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:54,280 Speaker 1: feel like being present with people is such a beautiful 747 00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 1: way for that connection. Yeah it is. It's tough when 748 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 1: you can't be in the room. But I do virtual. 749 00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:03,440 Speaker 1: I do virtual like meditation classes with unplug and I 750 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,480 Speaker 1: do virtual. I just do virtual everything. Yeah, that's amazing. 751 00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:09,399 Speaker 1: It takes a bit of I was actually saying that 752 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,080 Speaker 1: we I set up with two of my close friends, 753 00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:15,200 Speaker 1: we set up meditation communities together during the pandemic, and 754 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: so meet them and then their friends, their family every 755 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,640 Speaker 1: week on Zoom we meditate together. I guide the meditations, 756 00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:25,719 Speaker 1: and it's just been so beautiful and meaningful because we've 757 00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 1: got all these amazing friendships that have come out of 758 00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:31,319 Speaker 1: yeah Zoom. And I didn't even know half the people 759 00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 1: on there. I didn't know anyone on there actually beyond 760 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:36,080 Speaker 1: this person. And now a year and a half year later, 761 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 1: a year and a half later, I literally feel like 762 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,760 Speaker 1: I've got all these new friends. No, it's so weird, 763 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:44,440 Speaker 1: how like you make these Zoom friendships because we had to, Like, 764 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,560 Speaker 1: I this is nothing like what you were just saying. 765 00:35:46,560 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 1: But I was in like a French course over this 766 00:35:48,600 --> 00:35:51,439 Speaker 1: last year, and like these two girls on my French course, 767 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 1: I just flew out to Boston to meet them in 768 00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 1: real life because I was like, I feel like you're 769 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:56,600 Speaker 1: my real friends, and people are like, you've never met 770 00:35:56,600 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: in person. I'm like, but you can't have after, you know, 771 00:35:59,760 --> 00:36:03,640 Speaker 1: a year of zooming with somebody. Yeah. Absolutely, And you 772 00:36:03,719 --> 00:36:06,080 Speaker 1: have to get creative in that way. You have to 773 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 1: realize that. I found that. What was really fascinating is 774 00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 1: I found that if you do something meaningful in the 775 00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,600 Speaker 1: center of a group of people, whether it's virtual or physical, 776 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,600 Speaker 1: you create an amazingly deep bond. Yeah. But if you 777 00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 1: do something meaningless, whether it's physical or virtual, you actually 778 00:36:23,680 --> 00:36:25,839 Speaker 1: don't feel close to those people, right. And so it's 779 00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 1: like the reason you're coming together is actually so much 780 00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:32,279 Speaker 1: more important than even coming together, right. Yeah. And I 781 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,640 Speaker 1: saw that just transform so much in my life in 782 00:36:34,680 --> 00:36:37,920 Speaker 1: the last eighteen months, where relationships came from places I 783 00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:40,879 Speaker 1: didn't expect them to because I didn't realize that even 784 00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:42,799 Speaker 1: if you did something virtually but it was powerful and 785 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 1: meaningful and purposeful, the quality of that relationship was far 786 00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:49,919 Speaker 1: greater than if you just hung out on a zoom right, 787 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,000 Speaker 1: and so yeah, anyway, I don't know if that's useful. 788 00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:57,400 Speaker 1: I completely agree with you. Yeah, when when do you 789 00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,239 Speaker 1: feel you're We're talking about this earlier, and we really 790 00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,560 Speaker 1: talked about your mental wellbeing and your jenny with that. 791 00:37:02,719 --> 00:37:07,239 Speaker 1: But you're such a creative, right, whether it's like djang, 792 00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:10,279 Speaker 1: whether it's producing writing. I want to know when do 793 00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:14,880 Speaker 1: you feel most creative? And what do you feel is 794 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,279 Speaker 1: your greatest superpower when it comes to creativity and when 795 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,280 Speaker 1: you access you're like, oh, I felt that. That's tough 796 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,120 Speaker 1: because I feel like my creativity manifests in so many 797 00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 1: different ways. Like you know, I'm an actor and I'm 798 00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:29,200 Speaker 1: a writer as well, and I consider myself a dancer. 799 00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,520 Speaker 1: I'm not professional by any means, but I grew up dancing. 800 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:34,200 Speaker 1: That was like my first performative love. And so I 801 00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:38,040 Speaker 1: feel like my most creative honestly, when I'm alone, Like 802 00:37:38,120 --> 00:37:42,239 Speaker 1: I really get into this. And maybe it's that like 803 00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:44,759 Speaker 1: tortured artist thing that you kind of have to do, 804 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:47,320 Speaker 1: but really, when I'm alone and I sit and I 805 00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:50,360 Speaker 1: get quiet, and in my meditations, that's where my podcast 806 00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,719 Speaker 1: came from. I was sitting in meditation and I like 807 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,520 Speaker 1: opened my eyes. I like I have to do a podcast, 808 00:37:54,719 --> 00:37:55,880 Speaker 1: you know what I mean, Like you kind of just 809 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:58,239 Speaker 1: hear things. And so I think for me, and I'm 810 00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,040 Speaker 1: so lucky that my partner, my boy, and he understands that, 811 00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:03,600 Speaker 1: like for me to be creative, like I have to 812 00:38:03,640 --> 00:38:06,720 Speaker 1: really sink in and before I have auditions or before 813 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:08,680 Speaker 1: I go, you know, on set, like I have to 814 00:38:08,760 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 1: kind of have the day before to really just I 815 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,840 Speaker 1: think it's just really getting connected with yourself. Yeah, you know, 816 00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 1: I think that's why I need that quiet alan space. 817 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:21,239 Speaker 1: And so I think eliminating distractions for me is a 818 00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,799 Speaker 1: big thing. Yeah, I completely agree with you. I'm the 819 00:38:23,880 --> 00:38:28,080 Speaker 1: same like before something big, whatever that may be for me, 820 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:29,759 Speaker 1: it's the same. I need to be alone and need 821 00:38:29,800 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 1: to be quiet. I need to be in my own thoughts. Yeah, 822 00:38:32,520 --> 00:38:34,560 Speaker 1: my distractions. So I relate to that fully and I 823 00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,000 Speaker 1: find that it's important what you just said there is 824 00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:38,960 Speaker 1: a really big lesson, Like with the people that you 825 00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:41,960 Speaker 1: love around you, it's important you explain that to them 826 00:38:42,440 --> 00:38:44,600 Speaker 1: because otherwise they just start to think like they're doing 827 00:38:44,640 --> 00:38:48,279 Speaker 1: something wrong or like they don't understand you, or they've 828 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:50,319 Speaker 1: made a mistake, and it's so important, Like what you 829 00:38:50,320 --> 00:38:53,520 Speaker 1: just explained that, you know, my boyfriend understands that when 830 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:55,399 Speaker 1: this is happening, that this is what I need. Yeah. 831 00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:57,759 Speaker 1: I think that's such a healthy way of communicating. Yeah, 832 00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 1: I'm very lucky that my boyfriend is also all right 833 00:39:00,040 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 1: or and director. It also needs like his own time, 834 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 1: so it's like we were a great match. But yeah, 835 00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:08,160 Speaker 1: explaining to him like, hey, it's not you, but like 836 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:10,920 Speaker 1: like if I have an audition like the night before, 837 00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 1: like you know, I need my time. I have to 838 00:39:12,960 --> 00:39:14,960 Speaker 1: get into the character and like I'll call you right 839 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,360 Speaker 1: when I'm out, you know. Yeah. And I love that 840 00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,239 Speaker 1: the name of the podcast is exactly the sentence you 841 00:39:20,280 --> 00:39:23,719 Speaker 1: would say during meditation, Am I doing this? Right? Yeah? 842 00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:24,879 Speaker 1: I mean it's a question. We ask for a lot 843 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,640 Speaker 1: of things, but because you said you've got the idea 844 00:39:26,680 --> 00:39:29,160 Speaker 1: why you were meditating, yeah, I was just like, yes, 845 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:31,759 Speaker 1: there are many times in meditation where the thought in 846 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 1: my head is am I doing this? Oh? Yeah? And 847 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,080 Speaker 1: I always tell people when they are afraid to start meditation, 848 00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:38,440 Speaker 1: I'm like, there is no right way to do it. 849 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:41,160 Speaker 1: It's not I used to think meditation was levitating in 850 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,280 Speaker 1: your living room and like, you know, rising from the ground, 851 00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:45,960 Speaker 1: and I was like, no, if you could just get 852 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:49,160 Speaker 1: quiet for like two minutes one minute, like and then 853 00:39:49,200 --> 00:39:51,200 Speaker 1: now I'm like, I sit for thirty minutes every day. 854 00:39:51,239 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 1: But yeah, I know a lot of people think, yeah, 855 00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:55,600 Speaker 1: am I doing this? Rise? This has supposed to feel 856 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,319 Speaker 1: like am I supposed to have like some profound that 857 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:02,759 Speaker 1: my epiphany is not normal meditation? Tell me about that 858 00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,520 Speaker 1: meditation procys. You said you went from like one to 859 00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:06,600 Speaker 1: two minutes to now thirty minutes a day, Like, what 860 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 1: does that look like? What do you what are you 861 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,799 Speaker 1: doing for that thirty minutes? What time of day it is, 862 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,520 Speaker 1: and how are you practicing that? Um? I wake up 863 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 1: first thing in the morning, let my dog out, and 864 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 1: then that's when I meditate. We get back inside. And 865 00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:21,720 Speaker 1: I mean it started with just sitting for ten minutes 866 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,840 Speaker 1: and just learning how to follow my breath, which is 867 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,960 Speaker 1: great for anybody who's experiencing anxiety because when you can, 868 00:40:28,760 --> 00:40:30,520 Speaker 1: you know, when you can lower your breath, you lower 869 00:40:30,520 --> 00:40:32,720 Speaker 1: your heart rate and a lot of your anxiety symptoms 870 00:40:32,719 --> 00:40:35,759 Speaker 1: go away. So that was like a being very practical 871 00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:38,480 Speaker 1: anxiety relief that helped me. But then I started to 872 00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 1: really love the spiritual side of it, and then it 873 00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:44,239 Speaker 1: grew and now I'm doing I have crystals and their 874 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,279 Speaker 1: sage and it's a whole It's a whole thing's all. 875 00:40:47,360 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 1: It's a production. Yeah, it takes a long time. My 876 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:51,719 Speaker 1: dog sitting there, like really, we have to do all 877 00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:55,080 Speaker 1: of this every time. I love that. That's so important though, 878 00:40:55,120 --> 00:40:58,040 Speaker 1: because that creates so much like a foundation in your 879 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:01,160 Speaker 1: day and a certainty and like it creates an environment 880 00:41:01,200 --> 00:41:03,399 Speaker 1: that you love walking into and yeah, and it's just 881 00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:05,279 Speaker 1: like the best way for me to get in the 882 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,360 Speaker 1: right headspace to do things like this to you know, 883 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:09,600 Speaker 1: go out in the world. And I'm an introvert, so 884 00:41:09,640 --> 00:41:12,080 Speaker 1: I have to like charge up before I go out. 885 00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,160 Speaker 1: You know, I can relate to that. Let's talk about that, 886 00:41:14,160 --> 00:41:16,319 Speaker 1: because I reckon everyone who's listening to that's going you 887 00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:21,239 Speaker 1: guys are not introverts. You're not an introvert. Yeah, no way, Yeah, definitely, 888 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:25,280 Speaker 1: Like I have to like self preserve, yeah so much 889 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,799 Speaker 1: to have energy. And if I go to an event, 890 00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,880 Speaker 1: if it's my event, it's different, but if it's if 891 00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 1: I'm going to an event, I would just try and 892 00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:36,799 Speaker 1: find one person to have a deep, meaningful conversation. Yeah. Yeah, 893 00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:39,719 Speaker 1: I won't introduce myself to everyone because not because I'm 894 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,440 Speaker 1: anxious or scared by it, but I just really like 895 00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:47,080 Speaker 1: deep connection, yeah, more than I love you know, wide 896 00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,080 Speaker 1: connection and yes, and that idea of just just being 897 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:51,960 Speaker 1: able to have like lots of small talk throughout the 898 00:41:52,040 --> 00:41:54,359 Speaker 1: night just doesn't fulfill me in the same way. And 899 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:56,360 Speaker 1: I also, I feel like I spent a lot of 900 00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,839 Speaker 1: my life being an extrovert during my teens, but then 901 00:41:59,840 --> 00:42:01,400 Speaker 1: I feel like I became more and more of an 902 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:05,280 Speaker 1: introvert because I realized the value of being alone, especially 903 00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:08,440 Speaker 1: when it came to making big decisions, especially when it 904 00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,880 Speaker 1: came to like sticking to my guns on an idea 905 00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,160 Speaker 1: I had and no one agreed with me. And as 906 00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:14,960 Speaker 1: I started to realize that the more time I spent 907 00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:18,440 Speaker 1: with people, the more their voice became louder, and I 908 00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,160 Speaker 1: was like, no, no, but I want to follow my heart. 909 00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:22,520 Speaker 1: Like so I feel like with all of that, like, 910 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:24,080 Speaker 1: my favorite thing to do, without a doubt on a 911 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 1: weekend is sit with a bunch of books, make notes, read, yeah, listen, 912 00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,360 Speaker 1: learn like I do that. If my wife's traveling or 913 00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,799 Speaker 1: not with me, I would literally just do that and 914 00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:36,440 Speaker 1: I'll order in Oh, that's my favorite that's my favorite 915 00:42:36,440 --> 00:42:39,280 Speaker 1: thing to do. You too, yoh oh yeah, yeah, same exactly, 916 00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,759 Speaker 1: Like I mean, it's I feel like I'm an extroverted 917 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:45,200 Speaker 1: introvert where I can go out it's all coming out now, 918 00:42:45,239 --> 00:42:47,440 Speaker 1: it's all coming out now. Yeah, it can be on, 919 00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:49,560 Speaker 1: but then I have to go home and I can't 920 00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:52,080 Speaker 1: see people for like three days and I have to 921 00:42:52,080 --> 00:42:54,520 Speaker 1: like completely go inward. And so yeah, it's it's just 922 00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,880 Speaker 1: about charging and then like you know, going out and write, 923 00:42:57,920 --> 00:43:00,920 Speaker 1: feeling purposeful when you are out, like having meaning when 924 00:43:00,920 --> 00:43:03,880 Speaker 1: you're out and not just I do I too get drained, 925 00:43:03,920 --> 00:43:05,759 Speaker 1: which just like, hey, how are you doing? What's the one? 926 00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:08,680 Speaker 1: You know? All of that? Yeah, no, absolutely, And that's 927 00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:11,239 Speaker 1: why your podcast is great because you're asking the question 928 00:43:11,239 --> 00:43:13,799 Speaker 1: am I doing this right? And I think that that 929 00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:17,680 Speaker 1: question is such that question is like we ask it 930 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:19,920 Speaker 1: to ourselves all the time. Like I'll be sitting as 931 00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:22,839 Speaker 1: an interviewer, think am I doing this right? I'm asking 932 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:25,680 Speaker 1: the right questions, and I do it when I'm an interviewee. Yeah, 933 00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,960 Speaker 1: I'm being interviewed. I'm sitting aging am I doing this right? 934 00:43:28,120 --> 00:43:30,960 Speaker 1: And then it happens when I'm writing my book, it 935 00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:33,319 Speaker 1: happens when it's a question that we ask again and 936 00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,960 Speaker 1: again and again. What have you discovered by asking that question, 937 00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,600 Speaker 1: by sitting and having these amazing discussions on the podcast, 938 00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:45,120 Speaker 1: What have you learned about that question and understanding what 939 00:43:45,320 --> 00:43:49,160 Speaker 1: is right? Well, it's very simple is that no one 940 00:43:49,280 --> 00:43:51,879 Speaker 1: knows what they're doing and no one thinks they're doing 941 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,560 Speaker 1: it right. And I think that's what's really bonded us 942 00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,560 Speaker 1: with our listeners because I think they're like, Okay, finally 943 00:43:57,600 --> 00:44:00,040 Speaker 1: someone else is like admitting that, like, we have no 944 00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:02,960 Speaker 1: idea what we're doing, and we're supposed to pretend like 945 00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:05,799 Speaker 1: we know how to do these things. Ours is like 946 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,239 Speaker 1: our podcast is a life how two podcasts. So we 947 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,879 Speaker 1: go through very confusing things in adulthood that you think 948 00:44:11,880 --> 00:44:14,040 Speaker 1: you're supposed to know but you don't, really, Like, how 949 00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,239 Speaker 1: do I file my taxes? What is a four oh one? K? 950 00:44:16,520 --> 00:44:19,799 Speaker 1: I don't know? If? Yeah? All these things that you're 951 00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,640 Speaker 1: supposed to know and you don't. You're never taught in school. 952 00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,520 Speaker 1: And it's like, Okay, we're gonna stop pretending that we 953 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,640 Speaker 1: have it all figured out, and we're gonna admit at 954 00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:30,680 Speaker 1: least me and my co host, my best friend Natalie, 955 00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:32,680 Speaker 1: are gonna mit, we don't know anything, and we'll figure 956 00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:34,560 Speaker 1: it out for you. Yeah. I love that. I love 957 00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:36,680 Speaker 1: that because even for me, when I moved to the US, 958 00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,080 Speaker 1: I had to learn a whole Oh yeah, that's why 959 00:44:39,120 --> 00:44:40,040 Speaker 1: I was like, I don't know if you even know 960 00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,200 Speaker 1: what a four one? K? Yeah? No do now? Yeah. 961 00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:43,920 Speaker 1: But it's like when I moved to the US. So 962 00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:45,799 Speaker 1: in the UK, I relied on my mom because my 963 00:44:45,840 --> 00:44:49,960 Speaker 1: mom was like a financial advisory moment. Really my's an accountant, 964 00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:52,760 Speaker 1: oh yeah, and my dad's an accountant. So I was like, Okay, 965 00:44:52,640 --> 00:44:54,400 Speaker 1: they've got me COVID, they'll figure it out. And then 966 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,520 Speaker 1: I moved here and I was like oh and then 967 00:44:56,520 --> 00:44:57,920 Speaker 1: I was like trying to get help from them, but 968 00:44:58,000 --> 00:45:01,000 Speaker 1: none of them could help me because everything's differ over here. Yeah, 969 00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:03,600 Speaker 1: and so yeah, I've had to learn about every aspect 970 00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:06,799 Speaker 1: of it, which it is so complex if you haven't 971 00:45:06,880 --> 00:45:09,360 Speaker 1: learned it at school, I wonder whether you're going to 972 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:12,480 Speaker 1: do a crypto episode. We did a Crypto Amazing just 973 00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:15,960 Speaker 1: it's literally called a Preschooler's Guide to Crypto. I love 974 00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,360 Speaker 1: and like when I tell you, we like our hand 975 00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,239 Speaker 1: holding you because it was something that people have been 976 00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,520 Speaker 1: talking about the use big words, and me and my 977 00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:27,080 Speaker 1: brost friend are like, we are she's an art major, 978 00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:29,400 Speaker 1: like she, we don't know any of this. We're creative people, 979 00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:31,279 Speaker 1: and so we were like, we'll look it up and 980 00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:33,560 Speaker 1: we'll explain it to you. We also like drink a 981 00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:36,160 Speaker 1: glass of wine every episode, so it's fun and it's 982 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,680 Speaker 1: not like a boring ted talk, you know. We wanted 983 00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,280 Speaker 1: to be like you're going to drinks with your girlfriends 984 00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,359 Speaker 1: and you're like, hey, like what's crypto? And you're like, oh, 985 00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,120 Speaker 1: it's this. Yeah, I love that. Yeah, and that's awesome, 986 00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:47,959 Speaker 1: and I think that's how we want to learn. Yeah, 987 00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:50,400 Speaker 1: you'll learn more through conversation than we do through like 988 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,880 Speaker 1: whiteboards and whatever it may be. It yeah, and that 989 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,880 Speaker 1: sort of approach. But what's been the most popular episode? 990 00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:57,600 Speaker 1: I mean treatued I always asked that question to someone 991 00:45:57,600 --> 00:45:59,680 Speaker 1: who has a podcast, because I mean treat to hear 992 00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,839 Speaker 1: about what people are like, really like wanting to learn 993 00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:06,120 Speaker 1: what's been your most popular conversation that you have? We 994 00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:09,239 Speaker 1: had a we did an episode on morning routines and 995 00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:14,040 Speaker 1: we researched how billionaires start their day, and um, that 996 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:16,080 Speaker 1: one got a lot of hits. I think we don't 997 00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:20,000 Speaker 1: only do um like a personal finance. We started that way, 998 00:46:20,040 --> 00:46:21,360 Speaker 1: and then we were like, wait, there's a lot of 999 00:46:21,360 --> 00:46:23,520 Speaker 1: other things in adulthood, like we need to figure out, 1000 00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:26,719 Speaker 1: which is like morning routines, nighttime routines, you know, going 1001 00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:29,439 Speaker 1: We just did an episode on going to therapy and so, 1002 00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:31,279 Speaker 1: but that one we got a lot of hits on. 1003 00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:34,160 Speaker 1: I think because I don't know, people want to have 1004 00:46:34,200 --> 00:46:36,839 Speaker 1: successful mornings, like we said, like we were saying, like me, 1005 00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,520 Speaker 1: meditating in the morning, like starts my day off for success. 1006 00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:45,120 Speaker 1: So very interesting. Yeah, Oprah wakes up at six ten 1007 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:49,640 Speaker 1: am naturally without an alarm clock, which I was like, 1008 00:46:49,640 --> 00:46:53,360 Speaker 1: I can never do that. I love that. Yeah, No, 1009 00:46:53,440 --> 00:46:56,640 Speaker 1: I've read those. There's there's such incredible ones. Because I 1010 00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,000 Speaker 1: found that, I think it was like, and I might 1011 00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:00,640 Speaker 1: begin this wrong, but I when I looked at that, 1012 00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,280 Speaker 1: it was like sixty three percent of the most successful 1013 00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:06,640 Speaker 1: people in the world get like seven to eight hours 1014 00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:10,720 Speaker 1: of sleep. They're actually getting their sleep, contrary to popular belief, 1015 00:47:10,760 --> 00:47:13,120 Speaker 1: which is that you have to sleep four hours if 1016 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:14,840 Speaker 1: you want to be successful. No, a lot of them do. 1017 00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:17,160 Speaker 1: A lot of them woke up later than I did. 1018 00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,759 Speaker 1: I think somebody, and I don't want to say it 1019 00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:21,440 Speaker 1: was elon us, it was someone like woke up at 1020 00:47:21,480 --> 00:47:23,640 Speaker 1: ten or something. I was like, wow, like they're really 1021 00:47:23,640 --> 00:47:26,000 Speaker 1: getting a lot of sleep. Yeah, You're like I should 1022 00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:27,920 Speaker 1: just like up at ten like this? Yeah, why am 1023 00:47:27,920 --> 00:47:30,160 Speaker 1: I waking up early for? Yeah? No, it's I think 1024 00:47:30,200 --> 00:47:33,160 Speaker 1: these things are so important to study. And I was 1025 00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:37,239 Speaker 1: saying this to someone earlier today that so a lot 1026 00:47:37,280 --> 00:47:39,399 Speaker 1: of people today we struggle because we're like, oh, well, 1027 00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,880 Speaker 1: we don't want to be compared to this ideal, or 1028 00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:43,879 Speaker 1: like why are we looking at what others are doing? 1029 00:47:44,640 --> 00:47:47,000 Speaker 1: But the truth is that you have two options when 1030 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,640 Speaker 1: you're looking at success. You either look at success with 1031 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:54,719 Speaker 1: envy or you look at success with study. But we 1032 00:47:54,800 --> 00:47:56,719 Speaker 1: both have to look at it. So some people are 1033 00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:58,640 Speaker 1: looking at everyone going oh I wish I had that, 1034 00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:01,680 Speaker 1: or oh god, why they've you know, trying to be 1035 00:48:01,719 --> 00:48:04,080 Speaker 1: perfect or whatever. All we can look at it and say, well, 1036 00:48:04,080 --> 00:48:06,200 Speaker 1: what can I learn from that? Yeah? How do I 1037 00:48:06,239 --> 00:48:11,400 Speaker 1: apply that to my life? And I feel like studying health, healthy, wealthy, 1038 00:48:11,520 --> 00:48:15,440 Speaker 1: and wise individuals is a great way to live because 1039 00:48:15,440 --> 00:48:17,440 Speaker 1: it helps you figure out what parts of it you 1040 00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,320 Speaker 1: want to apply to your life. Yeah, no, one hundred percent, 1041 00:48:20,360 --> 00:48:22,200 Speaker 1: and like, like I said, like I'm not going to 1042 00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:24,799 Speaker 1: naturally wake up at six am. It's just I'm going 1043 00:48:24,840 --> 00:48:26,719 Speaker 1: to need an alarm clock. But it is. It's one. 1044 00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,640 Speaker 1: It's interesting and too. I mean, I think you can 1045 00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,879 Speaker 1: start to like find little things that you can apply 1046 00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,040 Speaker 1: here and there. And the rest of the episode goes 1047 00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:37,480 Speaker 1: into just like healthy morning habits. We we only use 1048 00:48:37,560 --> 00:48:39,920 Speaker 1: like dot govs, dot org so that we don't just 1049 00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,520 Speaker 1: like pull from, you know, a random article, but we 1050 00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,520 Speaker 1: find things that have, you know, real science behind it. Yeah, 1051 00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:49,759 Speaker 1: what's been a habit or a principle or a way 1052 00:48:49,840 --> 00:48:52,719 Speaker 1: someone lives or even a financial thing that surprised you? 1053 00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,200 Speaker 1: Are you like that's so cool? Like I didn't know that. 1054 00:48:55,280 --> 00:48:57,279 Speaker 1: Is there anything that stood out like that? I'll share 1055 00:48:57,320 --> 00:48:59,879 Speaker 1: one while you're thinking. For me. It was we had 1056 00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:04,680 Speaker 1: Russ on the podcast and I was obviously asking him 1057 00:49:04,760 --> 00:49:07,520 Speaker 1: questions about creativity and music, and he was saying that 1058 00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:09,880 Speaker 1: his favorite thing to do and we'll both align with this. 1059 00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:12,000 Speaker 1: He was saying his favorite thing to do is get 1060 00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:15,000 Speaker 1: all of his friends out of the studio, not invite 1061 00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,880 Speaker 1: anyone over, go into the basement or go into the 1062 00:49:17,920 --> 00:49:21,120 Speaker 1: studio and make weird sounds that he would only make 1063 00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:22,920 Speaker 1: if he was on his own, that is, And so 1064 00:49:22,960 --> 00:49:25,040 Speaker 1: he literally like yells into the microphone. He makes a 1065 00:49:25,080 --> 00:49:26,719 Speaker 1: weird sound, he skims, and he goes, if I had 1066 00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,000 Speaker 1: my friends in there, would feel so judged. Yeah, I 1067 00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,200 Speaker 1: wouldn't do that. So he goes, for me, the best 1068 00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:35,000 Speaker 1: creativity is being alone and just making weird noises, and 1069 00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:36,839 Speaker 1: then I'll discover something like, oh, I want to find 1070 00:49:36,880 --> 00:49:40,439 Speaker 1: an instrument like that. Yeah, like like, yeah, no, that's 1071 00:49:40,760 --> 00:49:44,040 Speaker 1: that's really really interesting. No, I mean I haven't had 1072 00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:47,919 Speaker 1: anything like that on our podcast yet. Um, I'm trying 1073 00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,960 Speaker 1: to think. I mean, like this was not as cool 1074 00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:54,080 Speaker 1: at all, So I don't want to say I'm just good. No, 1075 00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:57,600 Speaker 1: we were. We were really surprised. We were looking up also, 1076 00:49:57,719 --> 00:50:00,239 Speaker 1: like in this Morning Routines episode, like what a lot 1077 00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,839 Speaker 1: of people eat in the morning, and you know, you've 1078 00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:06,000 Speaker 1: been like sold that you need to have like bacon 1079 00:50:06,040 --> 00:50:08,520 Speaker 1: and eggs. Most people have oatmeal, And I was like, 1080 00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:11,480 Speaker 1: I don't like oatmeal, but maybe I should try eating 1081 00:50:11,520 --> 00:50:14,560 Speaker 1: oatmeal because most billionaires eat oatmeal. Do you know why 1082 00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:18,120 Speaker 1: that makes me rerappy? I've been eating oatmeal my whole life. Yeah, 1083 00:50:18,160 --> 00:50:21,399 Speaker 1: I recently switched to cheer pudding because I found out 1084 00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:24,400 Speaker 1: that I have a slight allergy to oats. Oh you do. Yeah, 1085 00:50:24,440 --> 00:50:26,719 Speaker 1: so I switched to cheer pudding, which is actually much nicer. 1086 00:50:26,840 --> 00:50:29,279 Speaker 1: So okay, well you're already on your way. I mean, yeah, 1087 00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:33,319 Speaker 1: you're already cheer putting blueberries strawberries. That's your that's your 1088 00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,960 Speaker 1: Morning's such great, Okay that I need to be on that. Yeah, 1089 00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,560 Speaker 1: And like you said, it's all personally, you know, Like 1090 00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,000 Speaker 1: I ever, I did a micronutrient test recently, which is 1091 00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:42,799 Speaker 1: what helped me realize them. Yeah, I have a slight 1092 00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:45,480 Speaker 1: allergy to oats, but also like oats was leaving me 1093 00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,640 Speaker 1: feeling bloated or uncomfortable, whatever it may be, whereas cheer 1094 00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:52,480 Speaker 1: seed pudding has been amazing for me. So yeah, yeah, 1095 00:50:52,520 --> 00:50:55,040 Speaker 1: I guess we're going to redefine what billionaires eat in 1096 00:50:55,080 --> 00:50:57,760 Speaker 1: the morning exactly. Doesn't have to be oatmeal, it doesn't 1097 00:50:57,760 --> 00:50:59,440 Speaker 1: have to be and like everyone makes and that's the 1098 00:50:59,480 --> 00:51:02,040 Speaker 1: whole thing, like my tool kit and like that's like 1099 00:51:02,320 --> 00:51:04,080 Speaker 1: it's a choose your own adventure thing. But I think 1100 00:51:04,080 --> 00:51:06,359 Speaker 1: when you have the knowledge of what to do, that 1101 00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:11,120 Speaker 1: empowers you to make the most conscious decision for yourself. Yeah, yeah, 1102 00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:14,319 Speaker 1: what are you most excited about what you're creating right now? Like, 1103 00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,720 Speaker 1: what's a role that you're playing that you've just deeply 1104 00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:19,759 Speaker 1: dived into and you're just feeling it, or even if 1105 00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:22,239 Speaker 1: there's something coming up that you're just like, this is 1106 00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:27,000 Speaker 1: challenging me in a way that I know I'm growing. Yeah, 1107 00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:29,000 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure right the time this comes out, this 1108 00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:34,560 Speaker 1: will be news. I just sold my first TV show, Congratulation. Yeah, yeah, 1109 00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:39,080 Speaker 1: two weeks ago, and so that has been such a 1110 00:51:39,160 --> 00:51:40,960 Speaker 1: journey for me. I've been working on the show for 1111 00:51:41,160 --> 00:51:43,640 Speaker 1: like five plus years. I wrote it, I created it. 1112 00:51:44,160 --> 00:51:46,000 Speaker 1: Are you in it too? I'm in it as well? 1113 00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:48,239 Speaker 1: And so I just sold it. And so I think 1114 00:51:48,280 --> 00:51:50,160 Speaker 1: for me, this is like this new challenge for me. 1115 00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:53,640 Speaker 1: I've eped a show before, the one on Netflix, stat 1116 00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:56,200 Speaker 1: stop embarrassing me. But I've never been the creator and 1117 00:51:56,280 --> 00:51:59,000 Speaker 1: the writer and the ep and the actors. So I 1118 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,960 Speaker 1: mean it's going to be this whole new ball game 1119 00:52:01,080 --> 00:52:04,319 Speaker 1: for me. Um. And so yeah, I'm really excited to 1120 00:52:04,360 --> 00:52:07,320 Speaker 1: go down the path. I'm terrified, but again to circle 1121 00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:09,839 Speaker 1: back to the beginning, like I feel like I can 1122 00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,320 Speaker 1: do it. Yeah, absolutely, of course you can and congratulate. 1123 00:52:12,440 --> 00:52:15,160 Speaker 1: Thank you you share that with us, and I love 1124 00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,600 Speaker 1: that because it's such you're taking on just so much. 1125 00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:22,279 Speaker 1: I mean, to write, create, direct, and be in it. 1126 00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:24,200 Speaker 1: Which part of it do you enjoy the most? Or 1127 00:52:24,280 --> 00:52:28,080 Speaker 1: is it is that a bad question? They stretch different muscles. 1128 00:52:28,280 --> 00:52:29,879 Speaker 1: You tell me about what they stretch, because I yeah, 1129 00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:32,600 Speaker 1: I get that, Like what what does each part of 1130 00:52:32,600 --> 00:52:36,160 Speaker 1: it do for you personally? I again, I'm a very 1131 00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:39,719 Speaker 1: type A type person, so I need the like rawness. 1132 00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:41,800 Speaker 1: And then then the role in the in the show 1133 00:52:41,880 --> 00:52:46,279 Speaker 1: for myself is, um, she has this beautiful journey and 1134 00:52:46,360 --> 00:52:49,480 Speaker 1: this beautiful evolution of self and discovery and so like 1135 00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:51,560 Speaker 1: to be able to be in her shoes, I'm so 1136 00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,840 Speaker 1: excited to do. But then also like from my producer side, 1137 00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:56,719 Speaker 1: like my type A side, like I can't wait to 1138 00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:58,919 Speaker 1: get everything in line and like get our cast set 1139 00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,760 Speaker 1: and like I like checking boxes and so like that's 1140 00:53:01,760 --> 00:53:04,760 Speaker 1: gonna give me, um, that's gonna like feed that side 1141 00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:07,080 Speaker 1: of myself. So it's like this perfect balance of like 1142 00:53:08,080 --> 00:53:13,240 Speaker 1: my creativities just being stretched in both ways. Life coach 1143 00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,319 Speaker 1: and therapist is really what it is there, you go, 1144 00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,920 Speaker 1: I love it what do you think the most scariest 1145 00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,240 Speaker 1: thing you've ever taken on and the most like challenging 1146 00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,080 Speaker 1: thing you've ever taken on? Is this going to be it? 1147 00:53:23,239 --> 00:53:28,040 Speaker 1: Or what's up to now? What's been that thing? Personal? 1148 00:53:28,080 --> 00:53:29,680 Speaker 1: There's been a there's been a few, but I would 1149 00:53:29,680 --> 00:53:33,680 Speaker 1: say professional. Um. I did a live special on ABC 1150 00:53:34,040 --> 00:53:37,120 Speaker 1: of Good Times. It was a live performance. We were 1151 00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:39,480 Speaker 1: doing a one night only thing with Jimmy Kimmel was 1152 00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:42,160 Speaker 1: hosting it. Viola Davis was playing my mother. I was 1153 00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:46,880 Speaker 1: playing like an iconic character, Thomba Evans, and it was terrifying. Also, 1154 00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:49,360 Speaker 1: Tiffany Hatch was in the cast, and it was an 1155 00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:53,759 Speaker 1: incredible cast. And then like imposter syndrome me and I'm like, 1156 00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,399 Speaker 1: what am I doing here? Can I I've never done 1157 00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:58,759 Speaker 1: a play before and essentially this is what this is 1158 00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:02,000 Speaker 1: and it's live for a million people. So it was 1159 00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:06,160 Speaker 1: absolutely terrifying. But the way I coped with that fear 1160 00:54:06,360 --> 00:54:10,440 Speaker 1: was to come in so prepared that nothing could shake me. 1161 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,920 Speaker 1: I knew this performance frontwards backwards. I did it every day, 1162 00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,160 Speaker 1: ten times a day. My boyfriend was like going to 1163 00:54:17,239 --> 00:54:19,000 Speaker 1: go crazy because I was just saying my lines, saying 1164 00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:20,719 Speaker 1: my lines, But it worked out because you get there 1165 00:54:20,719 --> 00:54:22,480 Speaker 1: and you're nervous and you're like, at least I know 1166 00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:26,279 Speaker 1: my lines totally. I remember that. Except the funny thing 1167 00:54:26,280 --> 00:54:28,000 Speaker 1: for me is, and I'm sure you've experienced this whenever 1168 00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,160 Speaker 1: you turned out with all that prep and known your lines, 1169 00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:35,759 Speaker 1: they always change your lines on the day. Luckily, we 1170 00:54:35,760 --> 00:54:39,120 Speaker 1: were going from original episode, so we could not we 1171 00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:40,640 Speaker 1: weren't going to go from a script, but that does 1172 00:54:40,680 --> 00:54:43,320 Speaker 1: always happen. Yeah, No, I love that, Yeah, because I 1173 00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,839 Speaker 1: always get there. I'm like, but having said all of that, 1174 00:54:46,320 --> 00:54:47,879 Speaker 1: what you just said is spot on that when you've 1175 00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:50,560 Speaker 1: done that prep, you actually feel that you can adapt 1176 00:54:50,560 --> 00:54:52,879 Speaker 1: to whatever's thrown at you, right, And that's what I've 1177 00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:54,480 Speaker 1: learned with being an actor, And it's like, when you 1178 00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,880 Speaker 1: really know your script, that's when you can play. But 1179 00:54:57,880 --> 00:55:00,360 Speaker 1: when you're sitting there remembering your lines, you're not present, 1180 00:55:00,440 --> 00:55:03,720 Speaker 1: you're not in the scene. And so like, I applied 1181 00:55:03,760 --> 00:55:05,759 Speaker 1: that there, which wasn't an acting thing, and I was 1182 00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:07,719 Speaker 1: just like, the more I know my lines are more fun. 1183 00:55:07,760 --> 00:55:09,440 Speaker 1: I'm going to have doing this because this is the 1184 00:55:09,480 --> 00:55:12,520 Speaker 1: scariest thing I've ever done. Yeah, I love that. I 1185 00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:15,719 Speaker 1: love that, all right, I Karen, I could Karen talking 1186 00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:17,920 Speaker 1: to you for fun for hours and hours and hours. 1187 00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:20,120 Speaker 1: But we end every episode of On Purpose with the 1188 00:55:20,160 --> 00:55:23,160 Speaker 1: final five. Okay, so these are the fast five. Questions 1189 00:55:23,200 --> 00:55:26,680 Speaker 1: have to be one word to one sentence maximum, okay, 1190 00:55:26,719 --> 00:55:30,000 Speaker 1: So it can be whatever sentences. I don't know, having words, 1191 00:55:30,080 --> 00:55:32,120 Speaker 1: nine words, I don't know. Whatever is okay. So the 1192 00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:36,920 Speaker 1: first question is what is the best advice you've ever received? 1193 00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:41,520 Speaker 1: Always save a little love for yourself. Oh I love that. 1194 00:55:41,520 --> 00:55:44,640 Speaker 1: That's such I've never heard that before. That's beautiful. What's 1195 00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:49,280 Speaker 1: the worst advice you've ever received? Um? That wearing uggs 1196 00:55:49,360 --> 00:55:56,200 Speaker 1: was a good idea, because I have a lot of 1197 00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,480 Speaker 1: horrible red carpet moments when when I was ten years 1198 00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,200 Speaker 1: old and I look back and I'm like, why would 1199 00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:03,759 Speaker 1: I wear ugs on a red carpet? Can? You didn't 1200 00:56:03,800 --> 00:56:05,919 Speaker 1: choose those? Did you? Or you did? I probably did, 1201 00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:09,319 Speaker 1: I don't know. I love that. All right. We'll get 1202 00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:12,080 Speaker 1: you excited and gets you excited when you're waking up 1203 00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:16,080 Speaker 1: out of bed every morning. My sisters tell us more, 1204 00:56:16,120 --> 00:56:20,319 Speaker 1: I'm gonna, okay, explain, gonna have to. I'm intrigued the head. 1205 00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:24,359 Speaker 1: Oh yeah. My sisters are thirteen and fourteen, and I 1206 00:56:24,400 --> 00:56:27,120 Speaker 1: look forward to hearing about their days every day because 1207 00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,600 Speaker 1: they're at this pivotal age that really the age I 1208 00:56:29,640 --> 00:56:31,800 Speaker 1: was doing this with anxiety, and to see them growing 1209 00:56:31,840 --> 00:56:34,919 Speaker 1: and changing every day, it makes me so excited. And 1210 00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,480 Speaker 1: also I'm just so hopeful with all of gen Z. 1211 00:56:37,680 --> 00:56:40,399 Speaker 1: They're incredible, Like you guys have it way more put 1212 00:56:40,440 --> 00:56:43,440 Speaker 1: together than we do. I love that question number four, 1213 00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:46,360 Speaker 1: what is your current purpose? So how would you define 1214 00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:53,680 Speaker 1: your carrent purpose being a voice for those that feel silenced? 1215 00:56:54,400 --> 00:56:57,719 Speaker 1: I love that fifth question. If you can, and this 1216 00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:00,880 Speaker 1: can be gone longer, if you could meet your younger 1217 00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:03,600 Speaker 1: self again today, your fourteen year old self, what would 1218 00:57:03,640 --> 00:57:07,600 Speaker 1: you tell it. It's funny because I answered this question today, 1219 00:57:07,760 --> 00:57:12,880 Speaker 1: but I would tell her it gets better. I was 1220 00:57:13,400 --> 00:57:18,040 Speaker 1: also bullied in high school, and there was a time 1221 00:57:18,040 --> 00:57:20,080 Speaker 1: in which you feel like it's the end of the world. 1222 00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:22,520 Speaker 1: And I wish I could go back to that girl 1223 00:57:22,600 --> 00:57:25,760 Speaker 1: and be like, it doesn't only get better, it gets 1224 00:57:25,800 --> 00:57:29,200 Speaker 1: spectacular and it keeps going and you're only going to 1225 00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:32,720 Speaker 1: go up from here. And I think when you're that age, 1226 00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:34,840 Speaker 1: you just everything feels like the end of the world 1227 00:57:34,880 --> 00:57:40,040 Speaker 1: and it doesn't. It isn't, And yeah, it hasn't been. 1228 00:57:41,080 --> 00:57:45,520 Speaker 1: That's beautiful, Karen. Thank you so much for being so vulnerable, 1229 00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:49,520 Speaker 1: so open, so generous with your time and also your energy, 1230 00:57:49,560 --> 00:57:51,840 Speaker 1: and just I think everyone's gonna listen to this. It's 1231 00:57:51,880 --> 00:57:53,880 Speaker 1: gonna have a great time. I think there's moments where 1232 00:57:53,880 --> 00:57:56,920 Speaker 1: we're laughing, there's moments where people having really profound moments. 1233 00:57:56,920 --> 00:57:59,920 Speaker 1: And I love just how what I really admire about 1234 00:58:00,040 --> 00:58:03,600 Speaker 1: you is just how focused you are on your well 1235 00:58:03,640 --> 00:58:08,240 Speaker 1: being and yourself. And I find that that's such a 1236 00:58:08,320 --> 00:58:11,080 Speaker 1: brilliant foundation for all the success you're creating from it, 1237 00:58:11,440 --> 00:58:13,400 Speaker 1: because often you find that people are doing a lot 1238 00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,840 Speaker 1: of successful things, they're making things happen, but their personal 1239 00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:19,280 Speaker 1: health and wellness is kind of all over the place. 1240 00:58:19,320 --> 00:58:21,440 Speaker 1: And so I really appreciate that, and I think you're 1241 00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:24,080 Speaker 1: setting a wonderful example of how that's the foundation of 1242 00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:27,200 Speaker 1: everything that's to come. Oh, thank you so much, Thank 1243 00:58:27,240 --> 00:58:29,800 Speaker 1: you so much, with such an honor. Seriously, I can't 1244 00:58:29,800 --> 00:58:31,960 Speaker 1: believe I was on your podcast again, Oprah was on 1245 00:58:31,960 --> 00:58:34,560 Speaker 1: your podcast? How am I on your podcast? No, you 1246 00:58:34,960 --> 00:58:39,240 Speaker 1: were here because you are showing all generations to come 1247 00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,200 Speaker 1: just how to figure out our life step by step. 1248 00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,959 Speaker 1: Keep that love for ourselves, remove that self judgment, beat 1249 00:58:47,000 --> 00:58:49,680 Speaker 1: that impast syndrome. I mean, this is exactly what we 1250 00:58:49,720 --> 00:58:51,520 Speaker 1: all need to hear. If you've been listening or watching 1251 00:58:51,800 --> 00:58:53,960 Speaker 1: at home, I want to make sure that you tag 1252 00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:56,800 Speaker 1: me and Karin on Instagram, on Twitter, on any platform 1253 00:58:57,120 --> 00:58:59,520 Speaker 1: you're listening on, and let us know what were the takeaways, 1254 00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:02,080 Speaker 1: What the nuggets of wisdom that Karn said that you're 1255 00:59:02,080 --> 00:59:04,040 Speaker 1: going to repeat. Maybe you're gonna say it to yourself, 1256 00:59:04,080 --> 00:59:05,960 Speaker 1: maybe you're gonna say it to your kids, maybe you're 1257 00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:07,760 Speaker 1: gonna say it to your parents. Whoever you're gonna say 1258 00:59:07,760 --> 00:59:10,120 Speaker 1: it to, Please do tag both of us because I 1259 00:59:10,160 --> 00:59:13,120 Speaker 1: love seeing what you're learning and what you're taking away Karren. 1260 00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,280 Speaker 1: Any final words or anything you want to share. Oh 1261 00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:18,360 Speaker 1: my god, I know again this has been such an honor, 1262 00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:20,520 Speaker 1: and I mean I am such a huge fan of 1263 00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:23,439 Speaker 1: you and your wife. I said that when I first 1264 00:59:23,440 --> 00:59:26,320 Speaker 1: walked out here, I was like, where's your wife? And 1265 00:59:26,440 --> 00:59:28,360 Speaker 1: so no, it's it's been so great talking to you. 1266 00:59:28,840 --> 00:59:30,240 Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Thank you