WEBVTT - Energy Infrastructure Now More Impervious to Activists 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:03.000 It's not much fun living next door to a liquefied 0:00:03.080 --> 0:00:06.320 natural gas terminal, but you know it's less fun being 0:00:06.320 --> 0:00:08.680 out of a job. Today on Parts for a Billion, 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:11.200 we talk about the bad options based by communities in 0:00:11.240 --> 0:00:14.280 the Gulf Coast where exporting natural gas seems to be 0:00:14.360 --> 0:00:29.840 the wave of the future. Hello, and welcome back once 0:00:29.880 --> 0:00:31.760 I get to Parts for a Billion, where I'm on 0:00:31.760 --> 0:00:34.479 a podcast from Bloomberg Law. I'm your host, David Schultz. 0:00:34.960 --> 0:00:37.840 So this is yet another story about the uneasy relationship 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:40.400 between the fossil fuel industry and the communities in which 0:00:40.400 --> 0:00:44.080 it operates. And the community in this case is southwestern Louisiana. 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:46.040 This part of the country has been home to a 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:48.720 ton of energy infrastructure for a while now, but it 0:00:48.760 --> 0:00:50.800 could be seeing a lot more facilities pop up in 0:00:50.840 --> 0:00:54.040 the very near future. And those facilities are LNG terminals. 0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:57.400 Llen G, of course, stands for liquefied natural gas. These 0:00:57.400 --> 0:01:00.520 are places where natural gas gets cooled too super low 0:01:00.560 --> 0:01:02.840 temperatures just how low we'll get to you in a second, 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:05.960 and that allows it to be exported across the globe. 0:01:06.360 --> 0:01:08.880 The Biden administration is not the biggest fan of the 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:12.360 fossil fuel industry. But it's granted approval to potentially double 0:01:12.480 --> 0:01:15.120 or even triple the number of these new LANG terminals 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:17.840 along the Gulf coast. And it's easy to see why. 0:01:18.080 --> 0:01:20.440 Regardless of what you think about the impact fossil fuels 0:01:20.440 --> 0:01:23.679 have on the environment, exporting natural gas means helping to 0:01:23.720 --> 0:01:27.840 reduce other countries reliance on Russian gas. But what does 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:29.960 this mean for the Gulf coast communities that rely on 0:01:30.000 --> 0:01:33.600 the fossil fuel industry for jobs. Bloomberg Law reporter Daniel 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:36.160 Moore traveled down to southwest Louisiana to talk to the 0:01:36.200 --> 0:01:39.080 industry and to the folks in these communities, and what 0:01:39.120 --> 0:01:42.600 he found was, well, a whole lot of ambivalence. We'll 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:44.360 get to that in a second, but first I asked 0:01:44.440 --> 0:01:46.360 Daniel to get me up to speed on exactly how 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:50.000 LNG is made. Yeah. So, natural gas when it's drilled, 0:01:50.000 --> 0:01:52.320 when it moves through our country's pipeline system, is in 0:01:52.440 --> 0:01:57.160 gaseous form, of course, as the name implies. But when 0:01:57.200 --> 0:02:00.440 it reaches the terminal, it is piped in into this 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:04.560 LNG terminal and it is basically refrigerated to negative two 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:08.360 hundred and sixty degrees fahrenheit. Which is about as cold 0:02:08.400 --> 0:02:10.280 as the dark side of the moon, so it is 0:02:10.400 --> 0:02:14.840 very very cold. So that temperature renders the gas a liquid. 0:02:15.600 --> 0:02:19.600 It's compressed by about six hundred times, so it's really 0:02:19.639 --> 0:02:22.960 really compressed, turns it into a liquid. It is stored 0:02:23.000 --> 0:02:25.720 for period of time, then it is put on a 0:02:25.840 --> 0:02:30.120 vessel shipped around the world in liquid form, and then 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:32.600 it is shipped to another country where it is regasified, 0:02:32.680 --> 0:02:35.200 put in that country's pipeline system. And that's the whole 0:02:35.200 --> 0:02:38.680 point of liquifying the natural gases that it makes it 0:02:38.760 --> 0:02:42.200 possible to send elsewhere, you know, not just across the country, 0:02:42.280 --> 0:02:46.359 but also to any place in the world, right correct, Yeah, 0:02:46.400 --> 0:02:49.240 And that could be a good thing environmentally because, as 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:52.360 we've talked about on this podcast before, natural gas has 0:02:52.400 --> 0:02:55.760 a much lower carbon footprint than coal, which is what 0:02:56.639 --> 0:02:58.639 is used to fuel a lot of power plants. In fact, 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:03.120 here is Brian. He's with Sempra, a company that makes 0:03:03.160 --> 0:03:07.600 ellengy terminals. The United States has reduced greenhouse gas emissions 0:03:07.720 --> 0:03:11.040 more than any other country on the planet, and it's 0:03:11.320 --> 0:03:15.520 done that through two primary things. One is switching from 0:03:15.680 --> 0:03:18.720 coal to gas and power generation and other applications. Industrial 0:03:18.760 --> 0:03:22.079 applications as well, and then adding renewables. The majority of 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:23.880 those carbon production has actually come from this coal to 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:27.320 gas switching kind of piece. We really do view ellen 0:03:27.360 --> 0:03:30.200 g as the way to export what what I know 0:03:30.280 --> 0:03:32.400 some have called it, I certainly have called the world's 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:37.680 most successfully demonstrated greenhouse gas mitigation policy tool. So we 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:40.560 just heard him talk about how great it is for 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:45.160 the environment because it produces fewer greenhouse gas emissions, which 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:50.360 I gather is true. But better does not necessarily mean good, right, 0:03:50.400 --> 0:03:52.640 can you get into to that. I mean, we're still 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:55.800 it's still producing greenhouse gases, right, Everything is on a 0:03:55.840 --> 0:04:00.760 sliding scale, right, So natural gas Brian is repeating the 0:04:00.760 --> 0:04:03.280 the core argument that the gas industry has made for 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:07.640 several years now, which is that it's largely displacing dirtier 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:10.640 burning fuels like coal and oil in the United States 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:13.520 and around the world. But throughout this system, you still 0:04:13.560 --> 0:04:16.840 have to drill for gas, you have to transport via pipeline, 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:19.760 you have to build more compressor stations to move the gas, 0:04:20.120 --> 0:04:22.680 and all along the way there could be leaks of methane, 0:04:22.680 --> 0:04:26.040 which is the primary component of natural gas, and methane 0:04:26.080 --> 0:04:29.239 is a much much more potent greenhouse gas than carbon 0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:32.200 dioxide is. And so while you have while it may 0:04:32.240 --> 0:04:35.279 be true that at at power plant facility burning natural 0:04:35.360 --> 0:04:40.280 gas will cause fewer air emission impacts than burning coal, 0:04:41.000 --> 0:04:43.240 you do have to take into account the entire system, 0:04:43.279 --> 0:04:45.240 and then we're just talking about climate. You know, there 0:04:45.240 --> 0:04:48.839 are other environmental impacts besides greenhouse gases. You know, there's 0:04:48.880 --> 0:04:53.040 air pollution which really affects the people who live near 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:55.560 these facilities, and which will will meet a few of 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:58.440 those in just a bit. Yeah, yeah, absolutely. I mean 0:04:58.480 --> 0:05:01.720 there are a few different concern around Ellengy itself, which 0:05:01.760 --> 0:05:05.440 is that one, it consumes so much energy that they 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:07.800 actually have to build often a power plant on site 0:05:07.880 --> 0:05:10.760 that burns natural gas. Of course, so you have kind 0:05:10.760 --> 0:05:13.800 of natural gas burning going on to produce the electricity 0:05:13.880 --> 0:05:18.480 to refrigerate the natural gas. You also have concerns about flaring, 0:05:18.560 --> 0:05:22.000 which would be venting off, you know, gases to prevent 0:05:22.320 --> 0:05:26.360 explosions or to prevent anything else operationally from happening at 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:28.360 the plant that would that would cause harm to the plant. 0:05:28.520 --> 0:05:31.080 So that they often vent these refrigerant gases off, They 0:05:31.480 --> 0:05:35.640 vent carbon dioxide, they vent methane, and that's a big 0:05:35.680 --> 0:05:39.039 concern if you're living nearby. I mean that causes you know, 0:05:39.120 --> 0:05:44.320 air quality impacts and obviously there's a big torch visually 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:46.560 right next to your property if that happened. So there 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:51.560 there are local concerns around Ellengy as well. Well. That said, 0:05:52.320 --> 0:05:56.320 you had a pretty eye catching map in your story 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:59.359 that you you just published on this that showed the 0:05:59.440 --> 0:06:04.280 locations all of the Llengy terminals that are currently built 0:06:04.480 --> 0:06:08.400 on the Gulf Coast and then all of the Llengy 0:06:08.520 --> 0:06:12.520 terminals that are approved or awaiting approval from the federal government. 0:06:13.160 --> 0:06:15.640 And it's like four or five times more. Like the 0:06:16.360 --> 0:06:18.640 amount of these facilities that are going to be built 0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:22.679 is so much higher than are currently there. What's going 0:06:22.720 --> 0:06:24.560 on here? I mean, it seems like this has got 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:27.120 to be a concerted effort from the Biden administration to 0:06:27.240 --> 0:06:30.440 build more of these terminals. Right. This actually goes back 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:34.080 to fracking, which is the drilling technique that unlocked all 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:37.479 this natural gas. And this goes back to probably about 0:06:37.520 --> 0:06:40.719 the mid two thousands when fracking started to unlock a 0:06:40.720 --> 0:06:43.599 lot of this natural gas. This was cheap, abundant supplies 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:46.800 of fuel. It caused a lot of US utilities to 0:06:46.800 --> 0:06:50.200 switch from coal to gas and thereby lower emissions from 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:54.040 the power sector and fracking and natural gas has kind 0:06:54.080 --> 0:06:58.240 of had this bipartisan support from lawmakers from multiple presidential 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:02.840 administrations get play out during the Obama administration originally, and 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:07.000 so the industry, largely from these market forces, started looking abroad. 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:09.320 It started looking to export this gas because we had 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:11.400 so much of it. In fact, a lot of these 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:14.240 export terminals were built as import terminals to begin with, 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:17.520 and they just flipped it to exporting. I think one 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:19.480 of the people that you spoke to who works in 0:07:19.480 --> 0:07:22.480 the energy industry said about that, we got it so 0:07:22.560 --> 0:07:24.360 wrong that we got it right. Yeah, that was Brian, 0:07:24.760 --> 0:07:28.040 And Brian's point was market forces created this ocean of 0:07:28.120 --> 0:07:32.800 natural gas. It was cheap for policymakers. It was hard 0:07:32.840 --> 0:07:36.800 to argue against something that was cutting power sector emissions 0:07:36.920 --> 0:07:40.160 and was affordable. And a lot of these terminals were 0:07:40.200 --> 0:07:43.880 approved under their prior administration. I think they're about fourteen 0:07:44.000 --> 0:07:45.880 right now that have been approved and are just waiting 0:07:45.920 --> 0:07:49.520 to be built, and there are another seven proposed to 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:53.760 federal regulators under the Abiden administration. But to your point, 0:07:53.920 --> 0:07:58.600 the Biden administration is walking a tight rope between further 0:07:59.200 --> 0:08:02.840 entrenching gas and fossil fuels, which you know a lot 0:08:02.920 --> 0:08:08.160 of their supporters don't don't want, versus energy security and 0:08:08.280 --> 0:08:11.440 the fact that our energy system right now depends a 0:08:11.560 --> 0:08:14.040 lot of natural gas, to say nothing of Europe and 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:30.080 the situation there. But you went down to Louisiana and 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:33.280 you visited a few of these terminals, and you talk 0:08:33.320 --> 0:08:35.560 to people who live near them, and let's hear from 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:39.600 one of those. Uh, this is John Ahlaire. He lives 0:08:39.640 --> 0:08:41.840 next to one of these torches that you just described. 0:08:42.000 --> 0:08:44.959 You can't operate like that's burning money, do you know? 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:47.680 You see how much natural gas it takes to burn 0:08:47.760 --> 0:08:52.800 their flair. That's all natural gas plus liquids and pollutants 0:08:53.160 --> 0:08:58.440 that are heavier hydrocarbons is what I'm saying, that are 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:02.720 being burn That's they burned enough in the last three 0:09:02.840 --> 0:09:06.120 weeks to fuel the whole city like Charles for a year. 0:09:06.960 --> 0:09:10.120 I get the sense that living next to an Ellengy 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:14.760 terminal is not great. Can you tell me more about 0:09:14.840 --> 0:09:17.839 what it was like and what the people who you 0:09:17.920 --> 0:09:21.760 spoke to, what their lads are like. Yeah, it's definitely 0:09:22.360 --> 0:09:26.160 generates some different perspectives. So for John, he was right 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:29.760 across the river from an Llengy terminal that just started 0:09:29.800 --> 0:09:32.320 operating a few weeks ago by the time I talked 0:09:32.360 --> 0:09:36.280 to him, and it was flaring all the time, and 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:40.199 that isn't something that usually happens, as I understand it, 0:09:40.240 --> 0:09:43.280 at Llengy terminals, but because this had just started, perhaps 0:09:43.360 --> 0:09:46.600 they were having some operational difficulties. In fact, the state 0:09:46.720 --> 0:09:49.120 suggested that there were some operational issues as they were 0:09:49.160 --> 0:09:51.400 starting up and had to flare a lot of gas. 0:09:52.200 --> 0:09:56.079 And so at night, this flare was lighting up the coastline. 0:09:56.080 --> 0:09:59.760 I mean, there's not a lot of population around that 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:02.160 terminal and there's not a lot of light pollution or 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:04.880 anything like that. So it was a very stark thing 0:10:05.040 --> 0:10:07.520 to have this this torch lighting up the night sky. 0:10:08.480 --> 0:10:10.480 And for people like John who moved to that area 0:10:10.679 --> 0:10:13.559 for you know, the wetlands and kind of the wildlife 0:10:13.600 --> 0:10:17.920 and bird watching, having something like that can be a problem. 0:10:18.120 --> 0:10:21.480 And also, uh, your John is very concerned about that 0:10:21.720 --> 0:10:24.240 paving over habitat in that area as well. And so 0:10:24.360 --> 0:10:27.640 there's another lleng terminal proposed directly next to him on 0:10:27.720 --> 0:10:30.800 his side of the river, and he's very concerned about 0:10:31.400 --> 0:10:35.760 you know, his property getting flooded during hurricanes and you know, 0:10:36.040 --> 0:10:38.680 slowly watching the ocean come under his property and destroy 0:10:38.760 --> 0:10:42.640 this habitat. And that's that's one of his concerns. Yeah. Well, 0:10:42.679 --> 0:10:43.959 and you know what, it just occurred to me. You know, 0:10:44.080 --> 0:10:46.080 I earlier said, you know that living next to an 0:10:46.200 --> 0:10:49.959 LLENG terminal is not great, and from John's respective, it 0:10:50.360 --> 0:10:54.040 certainly isn't. But actually, you know, another thing that I'm 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:56.520 realizing from your story is that for a lot of people, 0:10:56.640 --> 0:10:59.840 it is because LLENG terminals provide a lot of jobs. 0:11:00.120 --> 0:11:02.000 And this is a part of the country. You know, 0:11:02.320 --> 0:11:05.800 we're talking about the Gulf Coast that has been devastated 0:11:05.920 --> 0:11:10.640 by natural disasters after natural disasters. So you know, maybe 0:11:10.679 --> 0:11:13.559 I spoke too soon. Maybe this is an economic lifeline. 0:11:13.559 --> 0:11:15.120 Can you talk about that sort of push and pull 0:11:15.200 --> 0:11:18.840 where people are concerned about the environmental impacts, but also 0:11:19.440 --> 0:11:23.360 are you glad that they have this economic engine in 0:11:23.400 --> 0:11:26.360 their community. Yeah, that's the other perspective, And that's one 0:11:26.360 --> 0:11:27.959 of the reasons I wanted to go to this part 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:31.719 of the country specifically, because you have these hurricanes that 0:11:31.800 --> 0:11:36.160 have rolled in over and over again, and a community 0:11:36.280 --> 0:11:40.240 like Cameron or like Charles is still rebuilding two years later, 0:11:40.360 --> 0:11:43.280 following following the most recent round of hurricanes, and a 0:11:43.360 --> 0:11:46.280 lot of people in Cameron that had their restaurants or 0:11:46.320 --> 0:11:50.640 homes destroyed, or motels or hotels. C LNG see this 0:11:50.800 --> 0:11:54.160 plant that has just started up there as a lifeline 0:11:54.200 --> 0:11:56.800 for the community. One of the people I spoke with 0:11:57.080 --> 0:11:59.559 was running a food truck and he had his restaurant 0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:04.079 destroyed two years ago, and he was fielding a very 0:12:04.160 --> 0:12:07.640 busy lunchtime crowd of LNG workers and actually going into 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:11.959 the plant and delivering these catered lunches, and his words were, 0:12:12.840 --> 0:12:14.959 the only thing keeping us alive is the LNG. So 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:18.760 people have very different perspectives. And if you view it 0:12:18.840 --> 0:12:23.160 as an economic development measure to provide dollars to the 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:27.120 community to provide jobs, it's a very powerful argument. Yeah. 0:12:28.240 --> 0:12:30.839 I think that one of the people that you spoke 0:12:30.880 --> 0:12:33.960 to that summarize this really well is Jeames Hyatt. He's 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:37.040 an environmental activist but also used to work in the 0:12:37.120 --> 0:12:39.120 oil and gas industry, and he really talked about the 0:12:39.240 --> 0:12:43.319 ambivalence there that you know that this is maybe not 0:12:43.520 --> 0:12:45.599 good for the community in one sense, but in the 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:48.640 other sense it's inevitable this is going to happen. So 0:12:48.760 --> 0:12:50.679 let's hear from him, and I should say you spoke 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:53.319 to him in a coffee shop where because it's Louisiana, 0:12:53.480 --> 0:12:56.360 of course they're going to be playing some jazz music. 0:12:57.520 --> 0:12:59.680 And that's the same. I think for most people here, 0:13:00.000 --> 0:13:02.080 it's not that they love all in a gas. They 0:13:02.160 --> 0:13:04.480 love the paycheck, the time off, the ability has been 0:13:04.559 --> 0:13:08.160 with their family and and we still drive caught. So 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:10.520 until we get to the other side of this where 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:13.199 we don't need that fuel that I guess that's the 0:13:13.240 --> 0:13:16.080 thing is so so the industry that's here is going 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:18.920 to probably be here for a while until we you know, 0:13:19.440 --> 0:13:22.199 while we're transitioning and shifting, well, we don't need is 0:13:22.280 --> 0:13:26.959 to build out seven more facilities to export this gas. 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:30.240 So to put a sort of to put a big 0:13:30.400 --> 0:13:34.679 bow on this, I guess it seems like a very ambivalent, 0:13:34.840 --> 0:13:39.040 complicated situation, but it seems like it's moving in one direction. 0:13:39.360 --> 0:13:43.319 You know, you have the US exporting wanting you to 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:48.480 export more natural gas, and especially given what happened in 0:13:48.600 --> 0:13:52.360 the Ukraine earlier this year, you know, we had sanctions 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:55.400 on Russia and sanctions on Russian energy. The demand for 0:13:56.200 --> 0:13:59.439 US exports of natural gas is only going in one direction. 0:14:00.679 --> 0:14:04.160 Do you feel like there's any way that the community here, 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:07.360 the environmental activists that want to stop this from happening, 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:12.000 can given that all the economic signals are pushing in 0:14:12.040 --> 0:14:15.839 the opposite direction. Yeah, it's definitely an uphill battle. And 0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:19.360 James talked about that quite a bit. He's a former 0:14:19.600 --> 0:14:22.680 oil refinery worker actually in Lake Charles and has a 0:14:22.760 --> 0:14:25.120 lot of friends who still work in the industry. A 0:14:25.200 --> 0:14:28.800 lot of those workers see ellen G as a cleaner 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:31.520 job compared to again going back to cut of the 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:35.320 sliding scale of energy compared to an oil refinery, and 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:37.760 in a lot of ways it can be. And so 0:14:38.880 --> 0:14:41.400 to start pushing that boulder up a hill, to start 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:45.000 pushing back against an industry that is so entrenched in 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:48.240 this region of the country, certainly around the Houston area 0:14:48.320 --> 0:14:52.520 in southwest Louisiana, it's a it's a tough it's a 0:14:52.560 --> 0:14:55.880 tough challenge, and there's not a whole lot happening in 0:14:55.920 --> 0:15:00.600 the way of clean energy jobs, and unions have a 0:15:00.680 --> 0:15:04.240 tough time kind of making headway in that region compared 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:06.880 to other parts of the country, and so making that 0:15:07.040 --> 0:15:12.240 environmental justice argument is very difficult, but also, you know, 0:15:12.320 --> 0:15:15.120 it kind of beat that definition of environmental justice in 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:18.400 another sense because you have these communities that have been 0:15:18.480 --> 0:15:21.120 dealing with this industry for such a long time. And 0:15:21.160 --> 0:15:23.440 that's why I think it's a really interesting policy question 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:27.520 for regulators. Well, let's give the last word to Rocheta Ozane. 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:30.680 She's another environmental activist who you spoke to, and she 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:35.360 summarized it exactly where she said, you know, we want 0:15:35.440 --> 0:15:37.800 clean energy, we want renewable energy jobs, but they have 0:15:37.880 --> 0:15:40.280 to be good jobs. They have to be reunion jobs. 0:15:40.560 --> 0:15:43.000 Let's hear from her, and we need to show people 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:48.720 proof that water energy and solar energy and wind energy 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:50.960 that we need to show people proof that it works 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:53.320 and that the same people they go and get the 0:15:53.360 --> 0:15:55.520 tchining to work in the industries are the same folk 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:58.400 they could work in these jobs, but they have to 0:15:58.480 --> 0:16:00.800 be good paying jobs and they have to re unionized 0:16:00.880 --> 0:16:05.200 job so that people would even be interested in switching. 0:16:05.760 --> 0:16:08.160 But we don't even have that to offer folks right now. 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:12.520 So we are not at the point oh shutting down 0:16:12.680 --> 0:16:16.480 anything or stopping anything from coming, because all people see 0:16:16.560 --> 0:16:19.040 is that you're trying to stop jobs from coming here. Yeah, 0:16:19.080 --> 0:16:21.360 because we don't have anything to offer to replace it, 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:26.280 all right. That was Rochetta Ozane, an environmental activist in Louisiana. 0:16:26.600 --> 0:16:29.800 And also that was Daniel Moore, a Bloomberg Cloud reporter 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:33.920 here talking about his trip to the Gulf Coast. Thank 0:16:33.960 --> 0:16:37.720 you Daniel talking with us, Thanks for having me, And 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:39.920 that'll do it for today's episode of Parts Pervilion. If 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:41.880 you want more environmental news, check us out on Twitter. 0:16:42.000 --> 0:16:45.560 We used the handle at environment I'm at David B. Schultz. 0:16:45.920 --> 0:16:50.200 That's b as in leze le bonton rule. Today's episode 0:16:50.200 --> 0:16:52.600 of Parts for a Billion was produced by myself, David Schultz. 0:16:52.720 --> 0:16:54.800 Parts per Billion was created by Jessica Coombs and Rachel 0:16:54.880 --> 0:16:58.000 Dagle and it's edited by Zach Sherwood and Chuck McCutcheon. 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:04.600 Our executive producer is Josh Thanks everyone for listening. The 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:08.480 killers of Bertacasis had every reason to believe they'd get 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:12.520 away with murder. Her work as an environmental activist won 0:17:12.640 --> 0:17:16.840 her the admiration of celebrities in California, politicians in Washington, 0:17:17.240 --> 0:17:21.680 and the indigenous communities she worked alongside in Honduras. It 0:17:21.840 --> 0:17:26.159 also earned her powerful enemies on a new podcast from 0:17:26.200 --> 0:17:30.440 Bloomberg Green. Blood River follows a four year quest to 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:36.240 find Bertacassus's killers. 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