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Speaker 1: Hey, well, welcome in. I'm gug Goliban. This is all

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Speaker 1: ball man. You are going to love this, uh, the

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Speaker 1: interview on on this All ball. But Jamal Thomas is

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Speaker 1: my guest. Now, those of us who know Jamal, you

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Speaker 1: would probably know him as five or five thirty, right,

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Speaker 1: that's what Uh. At some point in part two of

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Speaker 1: met Jamal um after we were in college. We played

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Speaker 1: I had to look up a couple of things about

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Speaker 1: five thirty and you'll hear why he's known as as

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Speaker 1: five thirty. So he was an incredible player more than anything,

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Speaker 1: kind of an unbelievable person in terms of his ability

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Speaker 1: to overcome just a a kind of a tormented lifestyle

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Speaker 1: get to that. At the moment of this recording, the

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Speaker 1: Lakers are at the playoffs. The Clippers are down oh

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Speaker 1: one after an incredible come from behind series victory against

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Speaker 1: the Dallas Mavericks. The Nets are up two games and

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Speaker 1: well as they've played, they don't have DeAndre Hunter for

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Speaker 1: the season. The underwent an m R I which revealed

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Speaker 1: a small tear tear of the lateral meniscus. He under

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Speaker 1: rest of the season. So that's a bummer because he's

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Speaker 1: incredibly versatile and a very talented kid. Even if the

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Speaker 1: one game they lost the Knicks, he missed a bunch

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Speaker 1: I just think that what's really really interesting, really really interesting,

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Speaker 1: Rob Polinka made and I don't agree with all of them.

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Speaker 1: I thought Dennis Shrewder was an off the bench guy,

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Speaker 1: good as Lebron still is, he's an older verse himself,

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Speaker 1: there's fewer times in which they have. They're a stuff

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Speaker 1: happens with Clayton Kershaw as a picture that's that's like

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Speaker 1: what does it mean heading forward? Heading forward? It means

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Speaker 1: that they're going to continue to have to not only

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Speaker 1: only Lebron is willing to take a secondary role, maybe

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Speaker 1: It's like they need a point guard, but will he

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Speaker 1: allow anybody else to be a point guard. As for

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Speaker 1: the Clippers, they could have let won Game one. I'm

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Speaker 1: joins is here in the All Ball Pod. Uh. First,

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Speaker 1: Um that who's on the Gauchers Teaenior last year you

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00:24:46,320 --> 00:24:53,800
Speaker 1: shad Yeah, the sham Guard, Charleston Clark, Uh, Eric Harris,

430
00:24:53,800 --> 00:25:07,080
Speaker 1: Steph Uh, Yashima, evans Um, Gary Sanders, Oh, Larry Larry

431
00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: at Adney, Larry Adney. Yeah, he's with his assistant coach

432
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: with the Clippers. Now. Um, I think Mark Blunt played

433
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,640
Speaker 1: played a few games with us, like we had a squad.

434
00:25:21,119 --> 00:25:24,960
Speaker 1: I remember, did you guys lose go them alone? Going

435
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: them alone? Didn't you guys lose to like I'm gonna say,

436
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: like the Dallas team or something in Vegas. I just

437
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 1: remember that that there was like no way anyone is

438
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:37,640
Speaker 1: gonna beat you. And you guys played like an early

439
00:25:37,680 --> 00:25:44,360
Speaker 1: morning game against the Dallas tea and the Gap beat. Yes. Yes,

440
00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:48,960
Speaker 1: and that makes me a basting team, right, yes, yes,

441
00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: we called them plastic man. Yep, that was a team.

442
00:25:54,760 --> 00:25:57,080
Speaker 1: I'll give you the other side to it, right, here's

443
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:59,880
Speaker 1: what everybody said about me about about like the gaug chaps.

444
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: Don't play him at night. If you can play him

445
00:26:03,040 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 1: in the morning, I got a shot. If you play

446
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:19,439
Speaker 1: the night, you got no shot. Yeah we were yeah,

447
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:22,040
Speaker 1: well dog, I'm five. The only person that got some

448
00:26:22,200 --> 00:26:26,960
Speaker 1: rest was probably Steph. Here's here's the only professional that

449
00:26:27,040 --> 00:26:30,880
Speaker 1: was on the team that year. Why did you choose Providence?

450
00:26:33,000 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: That's that game against when we played against Dallas. That's

451
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:45,080
Speaker 1: when um, Bobby Gonzalez recruited me. That's when he was like,

452
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:50,120
Speaker 1: that's when they gave me the offer because sometimes like

453
00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:52,440
Speaker 1: like I can hang out late and do whatever at

454
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:54,399
Speaker 1: night and I can wake up because my body was

455
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:59,639
Speaker 1: kind of accustomed to it, right, So that game, I

456
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 1: just I was I was doing the same thing, like

457
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 1: like rebound and bringing the ball court and making certain passes,

458
00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: hitting certain shots. Like I played a totally different way

459
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 1: with the Gauchos than that Lincoln. I played more like

460
00:27:12,160 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: a small forward power forward with the Gauchos, and that

461
00:27:15,520 --> 00:27:17,199
Speaker 1: Lincoln I was just stuck to the fire because I

462
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:22,120
Speaker 1: was the biggest guy there. And yeah, but the reason

463
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 1: why I chose Providence is because you know, every school

464
00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: in the country that was recruiting stuff to get step

465
00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:33,960
Speaker 1: there was gonna include me in the package. Though I'm

466
00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,840
Speaker 1: talking about Syracuse, Georgia Tech, U C l A. Every

467
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:40,240
Speaker 1: school it was like, well, we have thrown him in

468
00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 1: there too if you come, you know, basically, so that

469
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 1: wasn't gonna work, right, Uh, Step step Pops is like, no,

470
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 1: you need to get out of step shadow and do

471
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:53,240
Speaker 1: your own thing. And you know my parents the problems.

472
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:57,320
Speaker 1: You know, everybody felt the same way. So it boiled

473
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,160
Speaker 1: down to two schools, right, I had you man, if

474
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,440
Speaker 1: that wanted to recruit me, they wanted me take lou

475
00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 1: row spot. And then my high school coach is like, no,

476
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:08,800
Speaker 1: he's not a four or five. He's just forced to

477
00:28:08,800 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: play this position at Lincoln. He's a he's a he's

478
00:28:12,000 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 1: he's a legit small forward. So and I think that's

479
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:19,040
Speaker 1: when Calipari was there and um, jem Bino, Um, Jeff

480
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:24,840
Speaker 1: By know what's his name, yeah, Bill Beano Yeah yeah,

481
00:28:25,080 --> 00:28:27,600
Speaker 1: So they were there. So that didn't work out, and

482
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: then I narrowed down to two schools, right, so it

483
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:34,200
Speaker 1: was Rutgers University and Providence College. So I went on

484
00:28:34,280 --> 00:28:38,640
Speaker 1: my my college visits. So my first college visit was

485
00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: uh at an official college visit at Rutgers University. And

486
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:47,200
Speaker 1: you know my parents, you know, they were heavily involved, uh,

487
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:51,760
Speaker 1: the brothers heavily and involved. So my host was Charles Jones,

488
00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: so we you know, were Brooklyn guys. You know, you

489
00:28:54,280 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: know what we like to do. So he um, he

490
00:28:57,880 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: was my host. Um, and I went to a couple

491
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: I went to a practice, I went, I saw the

492
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:09,320
Speaker 1: facility and then at night he said, five, I got

493
00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:12,360
Speaker 1: you and then he showed me around campus and then

494
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:15,480
Speaker 1: I just had a ball for the like that. I

495
00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: just I had a great time. I thought I was

496
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:24,280
Speaker 1: in Coney Allen with a bunch of intellectual people. So uh.

497
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 1: And when I get home to my my, my, my

498
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,880
Speaker 1: parents house the Braboman, they said, how was your visit?

499
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, it was great. I

500
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: had the best time in my life. I'm going to

501
00:29:34,560 --> 00:29:37,920
Speaker 1: Ruckers University. They was like, okay, all right, that's fine,

502
00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 1: but we don't want to make good decision yet. Let's

503
00:29:40,880 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: let's let's try Providence. Let's let's take the officials, take

504
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 1: another official of Prividence. You know, it's free, you're you're

505
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: flying there. So I was like, all right, but I'm

506
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,840
Speaker 1: going to Rutgers. So I was adamant about that. And

507
00:29:53,880 --> 00:29:57,680
Speaker 1: I took my official visit at Providence College and Jason

508
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: Murdoch was my host, and he takes me to the

509
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:10,880
Speaker 1: Whitest Club and the whole Providence Rhode Allen area. I

510
00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: was like, Jay, this is like this is not my

511
00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: cup of tea. Like you know what I'm saying, like

512
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 1: we gotta get up out of here. And uh, you know,

513
00:30:19,480 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: I sort of practices and all that you know they

514
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:23,520
Speaker 1: give you, they show you your jersey, your sneakers and

515
00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: all that they try to tell you with that, and

516
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:33,320
Speaker 1: it was everything was closed and like like ten eleven

517
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: o'clock out there. I was like, now this ain't for me.

518
00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 1: This ain't for me. So I went back home to

519
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:43,520
Speaker 1: my parents and I told about the my Providence College experience.

520
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:47,320
Speaker 1: I was like, now this this ain't for me. Providence

521
00:30:47,400 --> 00:30:51,600
Speaker 1: is not I I'd rather go to Rutgers. And then

522
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:55,040
Speaker 1: you know, they had to talk with me that was like, well,

523
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,640
Speaker 1: you gotta look at Rukas like is living in Coney

524
00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,800
Speaker 1: Allen well all the distractions right, and then you gotta

525
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 1: look at Providences like not living over where they live

526
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 1: at Fort Sae, but a place where you can focus, right,

527
00:31:11,880 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 1: So where you think you would be your most successful

528
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:22,720
Speaker 1: at off the court. So I'm like, well that that

529
00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 1: would be Providence. So they said, when you think it'd

530
00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: be smart to go to Providence College so you can

531
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 1: be successful off the court, we we we have every

532
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: all the faith in you that you're gonna do well

533
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,959
Speaker 1: on the court. But you're in college now and you're

534
00:31:36,960 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 1: gonna be by yourself. You don't have no tutores. You

535
00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,600
Speaker 1: don't have all this these people to help you in

536
00:31:41,800 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: urt you, so you're gonna be on your home. So

537
00:31:45,560 --> 00:31:47,200
Speaker 1: that's how we came up with the decision to go

538
00:31:47,280 --> 00:31:53,320
Speaker 1: to Providence. So okay, so you so you go from like, man,

539
00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:56,560
Speaker 1: this is the spot is close enough to home to

540
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: to this other place that feels foreign. But now champ

541
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 1: I goes there too. What do you remember when you

542
00:32:02,560 --> 00:32:04,920
Speaker 1: when you said all right, you're going back, when you

543
00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: first show up, what was it like? Well, um that

544
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: I was the hook for a lot of guys to

545
00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 1: go to Providence because that was cool with Sham and

546
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,480
Speaker 1: Derek Brown was like, you know, my brother from Corney, Allen.

547
00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 1: So I'm like, you know, say I'm going to problem.

548
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm signing. I'm signing. You know, I signed

549
00:32:26,200 --> 00:32:29,360
Speaker 1: before the season started my senior year. I'm signing like

550
00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:34,080
Speaker 1: tomorrow whatever. He's like, after, you're going to problems. I'm

551
00:32:34,120 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: going to right. So coach, you know, Coach Gonzo was

552
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:40,640
Speaker 1: getting me on the phone with these guys to try

553
00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:42,320
Speaker 1: to hook him in. I'm like, yeah, I'm gonna. I'm

554
00:32:42,400 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: I didn't know how to hook anybody in or sell anything.

555
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,280
Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I'm just going to problems. They're like,

556
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 1: why are you going? I'm going to and it was

557
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 1: just like that, you know, just like some neighborhood stuff

558
00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: like you're going over there to the club, I'm going too.

559
00:32:54,240 --> 00:32:59,200
Speaker 1: So that's what happened that second year. You went on

560
00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 1: the Elite eight. And what was what people don't remember

561
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: about that team was you guys you went small before

562
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 1: playing small was cool, right, liked Garson, Ruben was was

563
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 1: like he was like your five, but he was basically

564
00:33:16,400 --> 00:33:19,160
Speaker 1: a four. And then you had Austin who could who

565
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: could you know, play outside the three, and you guys

566
00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: just opened up the lane for you and for for

567
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,080
Speaker 1: for god, and it was it was That was what

568
00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: I remember about that team was that how it was

569
00:33:31,360 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: like going into the year. Was that the plan or

570
00:33:33,400 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: that just that just kind of happened over time and

571
00:33:36,280 --> 00:33:40,560
Speaker 1: the coaches figured it out. Yeah, that that definitely happened

572
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:44,280
Speaker 1: over time, and the coaches figured out, you know, we

573
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,520
Speaker 1: we're a culturable kids like myself, sham koit right, and

574
00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:54,240
Speaker 1: you know dark Brown and Ruben. Yeah, we're coachable, but

575
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,520
Speaker 1: sometimes you just gotta let players just just hope. You

576
00:33:58,560 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, you know, say, you know how

577
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: this does you make a mistake and you got in

578
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:04,760
Speaker 1: your head like if I made a turn out, I'm

579
00:34:04,760 --> 00:34:07,920
Speaker 1: gonna try to go get the still like so in

580
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:12,239
Speaker 1: the tournament he was letting us do that because he

581
00:34:12,280 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: didn't have no choice, like he can't just take everybody else,

582
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,000
Speaker 1: because you know, it's like come on, like coach, like

583
00:34:17,080 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: you know you'll get this powering thing. But during the

584
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: season he was there was too much control, like you

585
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,520
Speaker 1: do this, to do that, go to this spot and

586
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:28,279
Speaker 1: that spot. But when the tournament happened, the dogs came

587
00:34:28,280 --> 00:34:33,279
Speaker 1: out and then you know, we're very unselfish players like

588
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 1: myself and Sham and it was easy to find Austin.

589
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 1: And I remember Austin the first game is like Austin

590
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,799
Speaker 1: comes like he hits his first like three shots and

591
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,880
Speaker 1: then then like he hot and we just started feeding him.

592
00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:50,960
Speaker 1: Or I think also, how about like forty and those

593
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,959
Speaker 1: A lot of those games wasn't a rooting Dousters game,

594
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 1: right the route Rupe mcgston game was for It was

595
00:34:58,280 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: for the second round, right, But when we played Dupe,

596
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: because they were kind of small, like Sean McLeod and

597
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 1: Steve Woods your house, trading lane in and and Jeff Chapel,

598
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:13,759
Speaker 1: Like they were kind of small, so we matched their height,

599
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 1: but they didn't match our intensity because they didn't know

600
00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:22,359
Speaker 1: what to expect. Wow, I mean, God was just too

601
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:25,640
Speaker 1: athletic for to Joe you know, how to keep in front.

602
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: And the way they played, because we played in the

603
00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: next year in de tournament, the way they played like

604
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,839
Speaker 1: they just pressured everything. Right, but you gotta be able

605
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,760
Speaker 1: to contain the ball, and you ain't pressured in sham

606
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:43,319
Speaker 1: got Wells you know. No, no, no, we had and

607
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 1: we we grew up with that type of pressure, like

608
00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: we're gonna break that like easy, Like we understand the

609
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:52,640
Speaker 1: power of the ball faking the press, like I could

610
00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:55,359
Speaker 1: get the whole defense to shift one way just by

611
00:35:55,400 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: a ball fake and then pass to the head. What yeah,

612
00:36:01,200 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: why didn't you leave early? Um? I wasn't. I wasn't

613
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:15,040
Speaker 1: really ready. I mean I probably I was ready, uh

614
00:36:15,120 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: you know, physically, but I don't know if I was

615
00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: ready mentally. And but but that that sounds I mean

616
00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: like look that today, that's out like wow. But most

617
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 1: guys aren't ready mentally emotionally, even if they already physically.

618
00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:37,959
Speaker 1: They still go sham got left right? But why why

619
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: did why did you stay? I mean you had you

620
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 1: go on to run. You're shooting a high percentage from

621
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 1: three right, like, and you know people are like, well,

622
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,920
Speaker 1: don't go back to school because then they'll pick you apart. Like,

623
00:36:48,160 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: I'm just wondering. Was it the brave men's that were

624
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 1: telling you that? Did you know inside yourself you're not

625
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 1: ready for all that? Oh? Yeah, well you know they

626
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 1: played a major role in that. Like everything with them

627
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: was like degreed, degreed, degreed degree degree. Yeah, so I mean,

628
00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 1: I know I definitely wasn't. I wasn't even think about

629
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 1: to be honest, I see, dog, I'm gonna keep it

630
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,440
Speaker 1: roll with you. I like you do you know what

631
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying you You're a biggiest guy. And then you

632
00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:21,080
Speaker 1: went off and left us. When Steph got drafted in

633
00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,480
Speaker 1: nineties six, I was after I was at the draft.

634
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: I saw the energy. I uh, I saw the workout

635
00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: that he was, the work that he was putting in

636
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 1: to get there. And then when it happened, I'm like, oh,

637
00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 1: this this ship really can happen. Because we had a

638
00:37:35,680 --> 00:37:38,359
Speaker 1: bunch of boy players from my neighborhood and Corney Allen.

639
00:37:38,440 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 1: That was very good that we was close to, you know,

640
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,160
Speaker 1: making it, but they just didn't make it because maybe

641
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: one had a baby, one got shot, or one then

642
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 1: finished school and dropped out. It was it was a

643
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:51,880
Speaker 1: whole bunch of reasons why whatever. Even though they were lazy,

644
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,120
Speaker 1: they you know, they didn't want to put the work in.

645
00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: So when step did it, I was like, hoh, Ship,

646
00:37:58,360 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 1: like we can actually do it because he done it

647
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,919
Speaker 1: and I saw it. So that summer in ninety six,

648
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 1: I put in a lot of work and I had

649
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:10,640
Speaker 1: the mentality that I was gonna leave after my sophomore year,

650
00:38:10,719 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: no matter what the brother to say or anything. So

651
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 1: m our first tournament was in Alaska at Alaska fair

652
00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 1: Banks and average about like twenty two and eleven. And

653
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:30,959
Speaker 1: that in that tournament, right, I was just being a dog.

654
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 1: I was shooting a fishing. I was just you know,

655
00:38:33,360 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: I was just being really aggressive. And when I got

656
00:38:39,160 --> 00:38:44,680
Speaker 1: when we got back to Providence after that tournament, coach

657
00:38:45,520 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 1: just took the ball out of my hands. Took the

658
00:38:49,320 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 1: ball out of my hands. He said, Jamal, when it's

659
00:38:51,800 --> 00:38:54,799
Speaker 1: your turn, I'll let you you know, you know, you'll

660
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 1: be the guy but right now, you gotta pass the

661
00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 1: ball to the seniors. And mainly he said I had

662
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 1: to pass the ball. I don't want to you know what,

663
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,480
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna sugarcoat it. He said, I've had to

664
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 1: pass the ball to Austin. He just saved Derrick Brown.

665
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:09,800
Speaker 1: He said, I have to pass the ball to Austin.

666
00:39:10,320 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: And I kind of I blew up, like just blew up.

667
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:18,239
Speaker 1: Like we just went back and forth, you know. And

668
00:39:18,320 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: sometimes when you when somebody tried to take advantage of me,

669
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 1: like I go, I I go back to that. I

670
00:39:24,920 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 1: don't have a mother, I don't have a father, don't

671
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,920
Speaker 1: have nobody protecting me. So I gotta protect myself right

672
00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,879
Speaker 1: here and then in this situation. And that's what I've done.

673
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:36,880
Speaker 1: And then the next game I got suspended because I

674
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:39,279
Speaker 1: felt that I was like I was protecting myself and

675
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 1: but coach Gillen felt like I was disrespecting them. So

676
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,239
Speaker 1: ever since then, I went from averaging twenty two and

677
00:39:46,320 --> 00:39:52,319
Speaker 1: eleven to like fourteen and five my junior year. So

678
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:54,720
Speaker 1: I got in trouble another dame, right, so I trst.

679
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:57,879
Speaker 1: I gotta Oakoma State. My junior year, I started three

680
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: years so I was average in like thirteen and ten,

681
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:07,359
Speaker 1: and we play We play Florida Atlantic. We played out

682
00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,759
Speaker 1: in Hawaii. We won this tournament and I played good.

683
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,360
Speaker 1: Came back. We played TCU, they had Lee Alon. We

684
00:40:12,440 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: beat them, and we're ranked like six in the country.

685
00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 1: And we played Florida Atlantic. And we have um like

686
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 1: a former player who's like grad assistant for year Brooks Thompson,

687
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: God rest his soul, right, he died a couple of

688
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 1: years ago and Brooks, they just come out of the

689
00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: league and they let Brooks do the scatterport. And so

690
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:37,840
Speaker 1: he's like, these guys are so shitty if you don't

691
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 1: beat him by thirty. And we used to have coach

692
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:44,120
Speaker 1: es to have these things where he'd have like, okay,

693
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:47,240
Speaker 1: you must we must shoot above fifty. They must shoot

694
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,760
Speaker 1: below forty. They must be held below sixty, we must

695
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 1: score above seventy, like and if you hit all of these,

696
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 1: there's no practice tomorrow. If not, I'll see at seven am.

697
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,719
Speaker 1: Like there wasn't even any discussion about it, right, So

698
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: he's fun coaches rules. If you don't smoke them, run

699
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,440
Speaker 1: them out of the gym. I do not respect you.

700
00:41:05,440 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 1: You can out wear these uniforms. And like that was

701
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 1: the skind of report. So we get this game and

702
00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,360
Speaker 1: all they're doing their plan. We had only four guards

703
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: eligible because remember glenn and Alexander, so Glennon had transferred

704
00:41:18,080 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 1: from Arkansas and McDonald's American from Arkansas, but he wasn't

705
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:26,759
Speaker 1: eligible for a couple of games. So, um, we have

706
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: a big guy out there, big six ten dude, and

707
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: they're just playing like all six four or six five

708
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 1: and below dudes. We're not playing won't play zone and

709
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: they're just running little flex and then when they get

710
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:37,960
Speaker 1: into a big guy, go one four flat and just

711
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:43,080
Speaker 1: doing us right, doing our big guy. So we end

712
00:41:43,160 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 1: up losing to them on some crazy ship and I

713
00:41:45,840 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: got a technical foul and we lost by one on

714
00:41:49,120 --> 00:41:51,800
Speaker 1: a crazy play. But I had like eight and eighteen

715
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:54,360
Speaker 1: assists and like and I had to sit for like

716
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,560
Speaker 1: five or six minutes because I got a tea. Then

717
00:41:56,600 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: we play U C L A and I get two

718
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:00,200
Speaker 1: teas and I get thrown out and so I got bit.

719
00:42:00,320 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: So I went that year this is where I feel.

720
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:05,440
Speaker 1: Yet I actually lead the country and assist and I

721
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:09,919
Speaker 1: played the fewest minutes per game of my entire career,

722
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: like twenty six minutes a game, because like I went

723
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 1: through eight games where I barely played, like I was

724
00:42:14,719 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 1: buried up in the doghouts. And so then you're like, wait,

725
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 1: should I even come back here? Should I even be here?

726
00:42:21,000 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 1: Should I go and make money playing pro? Right? Like

727
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: all that stuff is spinning through, and so I do think.

728
00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 1: But then you did come back after the eight and

729
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:34,040
Speaker 1: now you just started started bawling out. Was he true

730
00:42:34,080 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 1: to his work? Did you get did you get to

731
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:40,760
Speaker 1: have the ball in your hands as you got older? Well? See,

732
00:42:41,680 --> 00:42:43,920
Speaker 1: I know he was a powerful guy because every summer

733
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: he was with the US the USA team, right, what

734
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 1: what the college players or whatever? I think NBA players too. Yeah, yeah,

735
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:59,480
Speaker 1: And his promise was when you become a senior, I'll

736
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 1: do the same anything for you. That was his promise.

737
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:10,719
Speaker 1: So after my junior year he left and went to Virginia.

738
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:14,200
Speaker 1: So I didn't respect him as a man anymore for

739
00:43:14,280 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: his word. But he was telling me that, and I

740
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: gotta take care of my family. You know, I'm like, okay,

741
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 1: But a man has his word, that's all he has, right,

742
00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:30,400
Speaker 1: And I've been a young adult for a long time,

743
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:35,120
Speaker 1: and that's where we had our disagreements. And you know

744
00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: when he when he did leave, I said a good

745
00:43:38,239 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 1: speech on his behalf and you know how he was,

746
00:43:41,719 --> 00:43:44,800
Speaker 1: you know, a mentor and it was a good coach

747
00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: or whatever. But ever since then, UM, I didn't really

748
00:43:49,480 --> 00:43:52,359
Speaker 1: want to be have no part with him because he

749
00:43:52,400 --> 00:43:55,600
Speaker 1: wasn't a man of his word after he took the

750
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 1: ball out of my hand, because you're saying you have

751
00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 1: to feed your family when I was out there trying

752
00:44:02,200 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 1: to be a dog to fee mine, you know what

753
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:09,400
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So and that's what happened. I mean, I

754
00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:13,239
Speaker 1: love coach going to this day, but you know I

755
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: would never forget that. Um. All right, so you're now

756
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:22,480
Speaker 1: you're like twisting in the wind. Tim Welch comes in

757
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: and like like you're paying the picture. You're somebody who

758
00:44:27,520 --> 00:44:29,279
Speaker 1: you've been a young adult for a long time. You're

759
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 1: trying to read people. Now you don't trust anybody because

760
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: the coaches said, hey, wait till your senior year. He bounces.

761
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:38,560
Speaker 1: What was it like? Tim? Was? Well? Tim, Tim set

762
00:44:38,600 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: the tone from the beginning. He let me know what

763
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:43,440
Speaker 1: it was gonna be, and he demonstrated it all the

764
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,520
Speaker 1: way to the tea and and that was it. Like

765
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:49,959
Speaker 1: Tim was a good guy. I love Tim Welch. Tim

766
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 1: was a good guy. What was that like? What was

767
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:57,279
Speaker 1: it like your senior year considering you know, your sophomore year,

768
00:44:57,360 --> 00:45:02,319
Speaker 1: you guys had that run God leaves right, um, And

769
00:45:02,400 --> 00:45:04,760
Speaker 1: I know, I know how it is like you're putting

770
00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:08,840
Speaker 1: pressure on yourself because you think every bucket is more money,

771
00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:12,040
Speaker 1: every every great performance is more money. But that's there's

772
00:45:12,080 --> 00:45:15,319
Speaker 1: a lot of pressure in that. Was it enjoyable to

773
00:45:15,400 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: be the dude your senior year? Yeah? Of course, I

774
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:24,560
Speaker 1: mean I I don't. I never looked at basketball pressure

775
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: as pressure, like I grew up in pressure, like I

776
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,880
Speaker 1: grew up without a mom and dad. Like basketball was

777
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 1: just it was. It was activity for me to not

778
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: think about that the stuff that I grew up with.

779
00:45:37,960 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: So I never thought about pressure on the court. I

780
00:45:41,520 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: was just out there having fun. And Coach Welles he

781
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,560
Speaker 1: did his best, as the best of his ability to

782
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,279
Speaker 1: make sure that we had fun. He came up with

783
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 1: like a New York City playing style, like pressing like

784
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: every after every make you know, which was it was

785
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: a lot of fun. So it wasn't It wasn't no

786
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:09,480
Speaker 1: pressure at all. So you finish, did you get your degree. Absolutely,

787
00:46:10,280 --> 00:46:14,720
Speaker 1: what what what do you remember about that my degree?

788
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:18,920
Speaker 1: About getting it? About the moment where you're like, you know,

789
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 1: like I'm sure that the problem is there. You know,

790
00:46:21,880 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: everybody's around you, like, I don't know in the moment,

791
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: did you realize that, like how monumental. Every statistic that

792
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 1: you will look at says that from your home, from

793
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,880
Speaker 1: your background and your upbringing, the likelihood of you getting

794
00:46:36,920 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: a college degree is the smallest percentage, right, And you

795
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:45,280
Speaker 1: overcame all those obstacles to not only hoop and hoop

796
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,600
Speaker 1: well but also get a degree. Did you like when

797
00:46:48,640 --> 00:46:50,560
Speaker 1: you was it special to you at all when you

798
00:46:50,640 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 1: got it? I know it's special to them because they

799
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,200
Speaker 1: knew what you've gone through? Did it at the time?

800
00:46:55,239 --> 00:47:01,120
Speaker 1: Did it matter? Of course? It mattered, No, mattered. But

801
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,480
Speaker 1: at the time I really didn't know how big it was.

802
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 1: Even though I didn't I didn't have a family member

803
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:09,160
Speaker 1: that I grew up with I had a degree, so

804
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,120
Speaker 1: I never saw the paper until I got you know,

805
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: with the broblem is. But I was just I was

806
00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 1: just going through a lot, and the people in the

807
00:47:19,640 --> 00:47:23,840
Speaker 1: audience made me realized how big it was, Like, you know,

808
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: Coach Gillen came down from Virginia. He popped up. I

809
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 1: was like, oh ship, like my mentor came and it

810
00:47:29,640 --> 00:47:31,320
Speaker 1: was it was a lot of people that I didn't

811
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:34,640
Speaker 1: know that was gonna come to this. So you know,

812
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 1: my um my graduation and that's when I realized, like, wow,

813
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 1: this this is really a huge thing, you know what

814
00:47:42,880 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And once I when I graduated, the problems

815
00:47:46,719 --> 00:47:49,280
Speaker 1: like you got that paper, that's the most important paper

816
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 1: you need, so you know me, I'm thinking about like

817
00:47:52,880 --> 00:48:02,120
Speaker 1: now when is these workouts? Ye? That first early second? Yeah, okay,

818
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:06,239
Speaker 1: So so uh I want to I want to end

819
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:08,120
Speaker 1: part one on this. I want to do another one

820
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: on your pro career and your clothing line and everything

821
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 1: else if you have time another time in the very

822
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:22,359
Speaker 1: near future. But Draft night, it's uh, it's I mean,

823
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:26,719
Speaker 1: you were a great college player and all, and and

824
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:30,960
Speaker 1: your your brother Bassie is it the top is a

825
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: lottery pick. Staff is the fourth pick God has picked. Right,

826
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,880
Speaker 1: There's just I'm so did you know you wouldn't get dragged?

827
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,279
Speaker 1: Like what what was the thinking going into it? We

828
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:46,480
Speaker 1: have we have to do a part too of this, yes, yes,

829
00:48:46,560 --> 00:48:47,920
Speaker 1: so you want to you want to start part two

830
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 1: with that. Yes, we can start with that. Okay, that's

831
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:56,399
Speaker 1: a big ship right there, dog are you If you're

832
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 1: okay with it, that's gonna be a great ship. So

833
00:48:58,120 --> 00:48:59,880
Speaker 1: this is a good like little little teaser for us.

834
00:49:00,040 --> 00:49:06,080
Speaker 1: Cool yep, absolutely all right? Uh um, all right for

835
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:09,560
Speaker 1: you before we go. Your clothing line for people who

836
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:13,839
Speaker 1: haven't seen it. Okay, there is all your gear. Your

837
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:17,800
Speaker 1: logo is it's like a man holding a basketball behind

838
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:21,560
Speaker 1: his back and reaching out to a kid. What is

839
00:49:21,560 --> 00:49:28,640
Speaker 1: that symbolize? The symbolize? Imagine you as an adult can

840
00:49:28,640 --> 00:49:32,560
Speaker 1: tell yourself as a kid, after all the things that

841
00:49:32,600 --> 00:49:36,520
Speaker 1: you've been through, right, I don't worry about nothing. I

842
00:49:36,600 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 1: got you back. So that's where the symbolizes. Is that

843
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: is that all of your mentors or is that one

844
00:49:47,040 --> 00:49:50,959
Speaker 1: person specifically you know you want to be for your kid? Like? What? Who? Who?

845
00:49:51,000 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 1: Is the image there? That image? The image is myself

846
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: as an adult and myself as a little boy. That

847
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,560
Speaker 1: little boys are hurting kid right there? He lost his

848
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 1: his mom, He never met his his dad. Um he

849
00:50:06,960 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 1: has to, um, you know, go live in a dysfunctional house.

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Speaker 1: thanks dog, that was great. I'm sure you can't wait

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Speaker 1: But I guess now, if your tear dudes up in

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