Speaker 1: Miss Spelling with Tory Spelling and iHeartRadio podcast.
Speaker 2: So my producer and co host on OMG and my
Speaker 2: friend Amy Sugarman, we all know when she's a true
Speaker 2: fan of something and like a super fan, like oh
Speaker 2: my god, she goes all out and she happens to
Speaker 2: be a little bit fascinated with the idea of the manner.
Speaker 2: You could say, manna. Can we refer to it? This
Speaker 2: whole thing is the Manna?
Speaker 1: Well, yes, because I'm going to ask you a bunch
Speaker 1: of questions about that.
Speaker 2: In fact, she was like, uhmember when used to on OMG,
Speaker 2: if anything that ever linked to like the manor growing
Speaker 2: Up Spell, you would like go with it, and we'd
Speaker 2: be like, woo wait, that's we're doing a rewatch here of.
Speaker 1: Yes, and it's happening on our melrose Place show that's
Speaker 1: called Still the Place because they bring up the Manor too,
Speaker 1: because a lot of them came over to your house
Speaker 1: for their like sort of audition meeting with your dad.
Speaker 1: So it keeps coming up in my world and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I just want to do a deep dive, like a
Speaker 1: deep dive.
Speaker 2: She's talked about this for years actually, before we did
Speaker 2: podcasts like you. You you have a fascination with the manner,
Speaker 2: and I believe you said to me, can we do
Speaker 2: secrets in the manner?
Speaker 1: That would be a really good TV special too. I
Speaker 1: can use my new menopause voice, by the way, I
Speaker 1: know I talk about it all the time, but my
Speaker 1: voice is doing something now that I'm in menopause. I
Speaker 1: googled it. It's deeper and raspier and it kind of
Speaker 1: freaked me out. And then I googled it and the
Speaker 1: Internet said normal. So I was like, I'll just have
Speaker 1: this deep, sexier voice. I don't know if it's sexier,
Speaker 1: it might be annoyed. So how do you say?
Speaker 2: Manner? O?
Speaker 1: Good secrets of the manner? How's that? You do it?
Speaker 1: You do it? You do it? That was sexy? You
Speaker 1: do it. You can do it.
Speaker 2: But it wasn't like I don't know. It has to
Speaker 2: be a little intrigue, a little bit of like the
Speaker 2: little little bit of like oh myn no, oh, let
Speaker 2: us begin and there comes my menopauseal laugh. You know
Speaker 2: right now it's like yeah, too great.
Speaker 1: Okay, first question to set the scene, you did not
Speaker 1: move to the manor until you were like sixteen, correct,
Speaker 1: sixteen and you.
Speaker 2: Know what, No, it was. Yeah it was. So my
Speaker 2: parents bought the property.
Speaker 1: Should I take us back? Yeah, well that's what I
Speaker 1: was gonna ask too. Was it dirt and they built it?
Speaker 1: Or was there a house there? Give me the background
Speaker 1: on that.
Speaker 2: Oh there was a house there. Oh, there is a
Speaker 2: house there. So when I was twelve, my parents purchased
Speaker 2: property that became the manor. Okay, and it was Bing
Speaker 2: Crosby's house. Wow, okay, which little known fact. My mom
Speaker 2: loved being Prosby, huge fan, so that was kind of
Speaker 2: a fun connection. And then she and then she tore.
Speaker 1: All that she I was gonna say, she was like leveled. Okay, dirt.
Speaker 1: So how my property was there?
Speaker 2: No good question?
Speaker 1: Acres? Acres? Oh yeah it was acres.
Speaker 2: It wasn't like she bought multiple properties and it was
Speaker 2: hed it big.
Speaker 1: He had it?
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, he had it. But I remember, I mean,
Speaker 2: here's the thing. And I think I've talked about this
Speaker 2: before when or maybe I have not. For instance, in
Speaker 2: our first house growing up, I used to move all
Speaker 2: my stuffed animals and I would take some like blankets
Speaker 2: and some snacks, and I would go into the cupboard
Speaker 2: in the laundry room and say this is my new room.
Speaker 1: That's how big.
Speaker 2: That put it on to perspective.
Speaker 1: So how big was that house? Like ten thousand square feet? Correct?
Speaker 2: Okay, I think it was ten to twelve thousand square feet,
Speaker 2: which I know is ginormous. Like you know, I'm currently
Speaker 2: my kids and I are in a three thousand square
Speaker 2: foot house, which is still large to us. So it's
Speaker 2: all I get perspective.
Speaker 1: So let's just say this. Let's say this for the
Speaker 1: sake of the conversation.
Speaker 2: Like it's small.
Speaker 1: You don't need to be humble for the sake.
Speaker 2: Of this conversation. That came out wrong.
Speaker 1: You don't need to be humble for the sake of
Speaker 1: this conversation or feel bad telling us because if this
Speaker 1: isn't you know, I always I know, But let's do that.
Speaker 1: Let's just surrender that for this for the next hour,
Speaker 1: because you're a humble person and you don't like to
Speaker 1: seem like you're bragging or seem like you're grew up rich,
Speaker 1: whatever it is. But for the next hour, let's just
Speaker 1: get rid of that so that I can actually ask
Speaker 1: you the questions and get the answers.
Speaker 2: I am into this. This is Oh, also a lesson
Speaker 2: for me in surrendering to what was my life, like, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is this was it? Right?
Speaker 1: It wasn't your money and you buy this house. You
Speaker 1: didn't ask for it. You're not bragging, right, We're gonna
Speaker 1: let that go because I really want to know that way,
Speaker 1: you're not like whatever the opposite of sugarcoating it is.
Speaker 1: You're not downplaying it because I want to know, all right.
Speaker 1: So that mansion was where in the valley are also
Speaker 1: in Beverly Hills.
Speaker 2: It was on the exact same street still there. Whoa
Speaker 2: it was Yeah, one a lot of North Mapleton Drive
Speaker 2: and the manor was on South Mapleton Drive. So we
Speaker 2: literally crossed Sunset That's what I was gonna say, and
Speaker 2: went up to fifty six thousand square feet.
Speaker 1: So one was north of Sunset and one was south
Speaker 1: of Sunset. The manor was north of Sunset. South, Oh,
Speaker 1: south of Sunset. And is that considered like swankier?
Speaker 2: Oh? Because usually like north of some No, no, no,
Speaker 2: south south of the boulevard you would say, like I
Speaker 2: live in the valley or Sunset Boulevard. Yeah, I guess
Speaker 2: south is swankier in Beverly Hills.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you've moved.
Speaker 2: Technically it was even more ten Hills.
Speaker 1: Okay, it's not where I thought it. I thought it
Speaker 1: was closer to the Beverly Hills Hotel.
Speaker 2: It's not far Okay, Okay, okay, So being Crosby's house
Speaker 2: or do you want me to go back to my
Speaker 2: original house? You're like, no, this is all about the manor.
Speaker 1: Episode's the manor Yeah, okay, so bing Crosby's House.
Speaker 2: My parents obviously they went and looked at it. I'm
Speaker 2: sure my mom had narrowed it down and that was
Speaker 2: the one. But it was exciting for us because my
Speaker 2: brother Randy and I got to go and he was
Speaker 2: really little. He won't remember this, but at twelve we
Speaker 2: went and coored it and it was like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: a kid's paradise. And I was totally always into like mystery,
Speaker 2: and back then that was creezy sounding. Okay, mystery, Nancy Drew,
Speaker 2: you know all of that. So we went and there
Speaker 2: was like tin passage ways and there was like underground
Speaker 2: like a library that you pushed on something and it
Speaker 2: went into these like secret rooms. It was like full
Speaker 2: on to the point where I was like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: this is my life, mom, you have to keep it
Speaker 2: like this. But it also had a full on zoo. No, oh,
Speaker 2: a full on zoo.
Speaker 1: But he had animals like giraffes.
Speaker 2: He had wow drafts, there were lamas and Crosby had
Speaker 2: on yes, And I mean, I I know, I don't
Speaker 2: know if it was like og bing Crosby's house. I
Speaker 2: think it was still in the family though.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they got it. It might not. He might
Speaker 1: have not been living there, right, got it, got it,
Speaker 1: got it.
Speaker 2: But it was like, I mean, built like zoo. So
Speaker 2: the property house was smaller. It was mostly property was
Speaker 2: like these ginormous new like settings of you know, walking
Speaker 2: by the giraffes and they were all I mean, it
Speaker 2: was like it was crazy for me, being an animal lover,
Speaker 2: I was like and mystery girl, I was like hidden passageways,
Speaker 2: zoo animals. I'm in even though I don't like massive properties.
Speaker 1: Just because I want to get to your house. And
Speaker 1: so then your mom levels this. This becomes dirt. Okay.
Speaker 1: So just to give people like a little bit.
Speaker 2: Of a great picture of the day they bulldozed it down.
Speaker 1: Wow, Okay, we want to see that. So fifty six
Speaker 1: thousand square feet is what this house is going to become. Now,
Speaker 1: I live in a just under two thousand square foot house,
Speaker 1: so we're talking my house thirty times basically.
Speaker 2: Thirty three thousand square foot house. I don't do math,
Speaker 2: So what's what would be my house?
Speaker 1: So it's you know, twenty of your houses right now.
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, I just crazy.
Speaker 1: So because like I think about it like this, If
Speaker 1: I walk out my door and I look at thirty
Speaker 1: houses basically because my neighborhood, they're all about the same size,
Speaker 1: that would be your house. So I have to walk
Speaker 1: from my house thirty houses down.
Speaker 2: So anyway, a town like a townhouse compound with your
Speaker 2: entire compound is just your house.
Speaker 1: It would take so to walk. Did you ever like
Speaker 1: walk from one end of the house to the other.
Speaker 1: It would take ten minutes no longer.
Speaker 2: No, well well well well I'm not okay. So there
Speaker 2: were two main entrances. There is the grand entrance. There
Speaker 2: were two driveways.
Speaker 1: Like a like a fancy people entrance, and then like
Speaker 1: the staff entrance. Right where did you park your car
Speaker 1: in the front or in the back in the staff
Speaker 1: place or.
Speaker 2: The again have you met me? Of course? The staff,
Speaker 2: like you know, it was just no, that was easy.
Speaker 2: And that's where my mom and dad came in. Like
Speaker 2: it was just easy. You pulled right in and they
Speaker 2: came in the back.
Speaker 1: Okay, so guess would come in the front, Yes, would come.
Speaker 2: The long, long driveway and you know, pull into this
Speaker 2: massive I mean, dare I say Dynasty us? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, well bigger that Dynasty house was smaller.
Speaker 2: Right, but the grand not the driveway. But what's the
Speaker 2: it you go a long driveway into a circular driveway.
Speaker 2: I guess it was like a massive massive It's where
Speaker 2: I had my first wedding. But from the aerial view
Speaker 2: that everyone takes, you look down and you see that
Speaker 2: big circular driveway. That's the massive one. And the steps
Speaker 2: are like white house steps like leading up to the
Speaker 2: Give me just.
Speaker 1: Some basic stats. How many bedrooms? How many bathrooms do
Speaker 1: you remember?
Speaker 2: I have to google. I never counted, but.
Speaker 1: You definitely never went like potty in every single bathroom?
Speaker 2: God, oh you know me, that would have been such
Speaker 2: a fun coffee.
Speaker 1: And how many kitchens was there like one kitchen and
Speaker 1: then like where the caterers cook, or how many kitchens
Speaker 1: there was one?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, So from memory, I think I have
Speaker 2: read there were a hundred. I don't know why I'm
Speaker 2: pulling out this number, but it's probably true. One hundred
Speaker 2: and twenty five rooms, I think. Okay, So okay, we
Speaker 2: can google. Oh, okay, so kitchen one massive kitchen.
Speaker 1: Okay. And did your mom cook or were there just
Speaker 1: always staff cooking?
Speaker 2: My mom is actually a great cook, a tremendous baker
Speaker 2: m hm.
Speaker 1: But not she didn't.
Speaker 2: She would show them like her recipes and definitely do
Speaker 2: that with them. And she was always hands on with
Speaker 2: you know, kind of curating the menus and stuff. But
Speaker 2: and she loves to throw a good dinner party and
Speaker 2: was totally hands on. But we definitely always had.
Speaker 1: A chef, okay. And then were there people that are
Speaker 1: cooked for us? Okay? Got it? And were there people
Speaker 1: that lived there like security or a housekeeper? Like was
Speaker 1: there always someone living there?
Speaker 2: Yes, there was the staff, like the staff wing, which
Speaker 2: was like half the second floor.
Speaker 1: So your nanny was also she No, she lived with us, Okay,
Speaker 1: got it? Okay, go back to living with us, Like
Speaker 1: this is so crazy. No, it's not given time.
Speaker 2: There were at fourteen you know, I mean, there were
Speaker 2: always like fourteen people there I'm not sure that because
Speaker 2: keep in mind I only lived at the manor.
Speaker 1: We moved I allegedly.
Speaker 2: When I was sixteen, maybe it was closer to seventeen.
Speaker 2: We actually moved in, and then I moved out when
Speaker 2: I was like eighteen and a half.
Speaker 1: So you live there like a year, a year to
Speaker 1: two okay, yeah, okay, So I just have so many questions.
Speaker 2: All right, so you moved away, security around the clock
Speaker 2: in the garden.
Speaker 1: So it takes four years to build this thing and
Speaker 1: then you move in.
Speaker 2: Wait, I did something wrong? Then, oh twelve, thirty, fourteen, fifteen, sixteen,
Speaker 2: five years it was six so I was seventeen then
Speaker 2: we moved in.
Speaker 1: Okay, so you move in and what can you remember
Speaker 1: that You're like, was it did it seem like, okay,
Speaker 1: this is where I live? Or were you like this
Speaker 1: is nuts.
Speaker 2: So by the time we moved in, so I was
Speaker 2: seventeen because I had my sweet sixteen at the Old
Speaker 2: House and I start at nine oh two and oh
Speaker 2: at the Old House and that's where they all came
Speaker 2: for the first cast reading. Okay, old House, So I
Speaker 2: was definitely seventeen by then nine oh two and oh
Speaker 2: was in full swing. I don't think I had a
Speaker 2: chance to really do.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I was like in and out working all week and
Speaker 2: then you know, like Sean would sleep over on the
Speaker 2: weekends and we would definitely go out. But I definitely
Speaker 2: wasn't like, oh my god, this place is amazing. I
Speaker 2: was just like, Okay, this is why we're here.
Speaker 1: So I God, there's so many questions, all right, so
Speaker 1: let's talk quickly about the yard. There's one pool, there's.
Speaker 2: Multiple pools, one pool, one pool, hot toa back, yeah,
Speaker 2: hotta some kind of hot there was there. There was
Speaker 2: a chacuzzi, yes, yeah.
Speaker 1: Then was there like a poolhouse, Okay, a pool house
Speaker 1: that had like probably another kitchen. I would assume bathrooms
Speaker 1: back good.
Speaker 2: But the poolhouse was connected to the little hallway that
Speaker 2: was the projection room. So that whole room with all
Speaker 2: the old like because we had full on movies every
Speaker 2: Saturday nights.
Speaker 1: Right, So was there movie theater chairs in this room?
Speaker 1: And was there popcorn candy that type of thing? And
Speaker 1: somebody was hired in and came in and was a
Speaker 1: projectist and ran like real movies. Correct.
Speaker 2: So my dad obviously his long standing ties with ABC.
Speaker 2: He had Benny and Benny was our projectionist at our
Speaker 2: first house and our and our new house, and he
Speaker 2: would come and on Saturday nights he would come at
Speaker 2: like six, set up for a movie at eight, and
Speaker 2: in our old house we would have two movies, a
Speaker 2: kids movie at six, adult movie at eight, and friends
Speaker 2: came over. So this would be like Friends came over.
Speaker 1: Okay.
Speaker 2: My mom always wanted it to not just be like, oh,
Speaker 2: a projection room like people have theater theater theater rooms now,
Speaker 2: which the chairs and everything. He wanted it to feel
Speaker 2: like it was a room that when it was time
Speaker 2: for a movie, transformed into wow, okay, theater room. Think
Speaker 2: of like a massive living room, formal living room. Let's
Speaker 2: go with sectioned off into two areas. A down area
Speaker 2: which had couches and chairs, huge ginormous coffee table like
Speaker 2: five of our coffee tables, always her infamous candy dishes
Speaker 2: out everywhere that was gonnas.
Speaker 1: So there wasn't a concession stand. It was more like
Speaker 1: a living room vibe with yes.
Speaker 2: And then the upper level would be like one step
Speaker 2: up and that would be couches and when she pushed
Speaker 2: a button it was seamless carpet. The far end it
Speaker 2: was like, uh, and this screen which filled the entire
Speaker 2: It was like not one of those like when you
Speaker 2: go to the movie theaters and you're like, shoot, I
Speaker 2: got the small theater.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, Like it was the big one.
Speaker 2: It was massive and it filled the entire wall, which
Speaker 2: not just the wall.
Speaker 1: It was like, you know, like a museum size.
Speaker 2: Wall, and the paintings behind where she and my dad
Speaker 2: would sit on the upper level.
Speaker 1: The paintings would.
Speaker 2: Rise though, and not just like paintings like that was
Speaker 2: behind the picassos and like hey you know.
Speaker 1: Well okay pause pause pause, pas clog in the play
Speaker 1: there actually were picassos or like fancy somethings, fancy art.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like from Wayfair.
Speaker 2: No, no, I'm did she have a Pipasso, Monet and renoirs?
Speaker 1: Okay? I mean just yes, this may need to be
Speaker 1: a two parter. Okay. So these things come up and
Speaker 1: what is behind them?
Speaker 2: When you're in a movie theater and you look back
Speaker 2: and you see I guess you don't see them anymore. Yeah,
Speaker 2: like the widows where it's being and the projection room
Speaker 2: was behind it, so those had to go up projected
Speaker 2: project Yeah, but like huge and she had this on
Speaker 2: just a button that would just be under a table.
Speaker 2: She's really meticulous about everything, you know, like it wouldn't
Speaker 2: be like a clicker or something.
Speaker 1: There was ever a technical snaffoo? Did that just put her.
Speaker 2: Side at it? No?
Speaker 1: No, no, once in a bloom moon control all delete and
Speaker 1: you're back up again.
Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, celebrities and we would always make popcorn and
Speaker 2: bring it in.
Speaker 1: Did celebrities come for these movie nights?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 1: Who were the friends? Oh?
Speaker 2: I'm sure. I mean by the time we were at
Speaker 2: the manor and it was mainly gosh, it would be
Speaker 2: like my mom and she would have like a couple
Speaker 2: friends over my dad. My dad would come down like
Speaker 2: his pajamas in thebe Yeah. Yeah. And my brother and
Speaker 2: I would bring friends so predominantly like us and stuff.
Speaker 1: Now I have a million questions to ask, but I
Speaker 1: don't want to forget to ask this, so I'm going
Speaker 1: out of order. When your dad passed away and your
Speaker 1: mom decided to sell the house, were you sad? Did
Speaker 1: you want her to? Did you not want her to?
Speaker 1: How did you feel about that when she sold the house?
Speaker 2: I can honestly say I have no emotional attachment to
Speaker 2: the house. Yeah, and I never, I never did. I
Speaker 2: have good memories there. But my childhood was my memories.
Speaker 2: The best memories with my mom and dad were created
Speaker 2: at our.
Speaker 1: Their house, at the other house. Okay, yea fair enough.
Speaker 2: And I feel like, you know, the house wasn't my
Speaker 2: dad's jam. It was a little big for me and cozy,
Speaker 2: and my mom loves to decorate. Her design taste is amazing,
Speaker 2: her architectural taste, like she you know, it was like
Speaker 2: a dream thing for her to build.
Speaker 1: Well, let's get to some of that. Okay, So because
Speaker 1: there were some of these weird rooms, I don't want
Speaker 1: to say weird, maybe unique to a very wealthy person
Speaker 1: that the average person does not have. We hear rumors
Speaker 1: of the bowling alley, the wrapping room, the room that
Speaker 1: maybe stored the Christmas decorations. I don't know. Tell me
Speaker 1: some of those rooms and what was true. So let's
Speaker 1: start with the bowling alley. Was there in fact a
Speaker 1: bowling alley? How many lanes?
Speaker 2: There was a bowling alley and it was two lanes?
Speaker 1: I believe somebody super into bowling.
Speaker 2: My dad.
Speaker 1: Okay, so my dad was a great bowler.
Speaker 2: My mom and dad used to go bowling dates when
Speaker 2: they were, you know, first met, and like bowling was
Speaker 2: always something he loved. But I think once he became
Speaker 2: like so famous and such a workaholic, he like stopped
Speaker 2: doing all of that. So that was her way of
Speaker 2: giving him something that he didn't feel like he had
Speaker 2: to go out and do. He had it right there
Speaker 2: at home. That was for him. And that was really
Speaker 2: cool because we had the bowling lanes and was this like.
Speaker 1: I picture it underground? Was it?
Speaker 2: It was so when you enter the house, the ground
Speaker 2: level is everything and that you would think of on
Speaker 2: a ground level, and then there's an elevator.
Speaker 1: Okay, I would not go in the unique I would
Speaker 1: need the stairs, which I'm sure there were. You'd have
Speaker 1: to it's a house.
Speaker 2: Uh yes, So you would take the elevator stairs for
Speaker 2: you know, all the bedrooms and everything, and then you
Speaker 2: would take the elevator downstairs, almost like going to the
Speaker 2: basement level where that's where all these unique rooms that
Speaker 2: you're going to want to hear about.
Speaker 1: So give it all to me. Talk to me.
Speaker 2: Bowling alley, bowling alley, but let me go through the
Speaker 2: bowling alley really quick. So in the bowling alley. It
Speaker 2: was like all my dad. So he had framed like
Speaker 2: my mom curated it, framed photos of him going back
Speaker 2: to when he was like an actor and directed and
Speaker 2: early producing moments. And then he had like all his
Speaker 2: awards on a shelf so they would have like his
Speaker 2: Emmys and like everything. And then he also had my
Speaker 2: mom had a closet you would open and it was
Speaker 2: bowling shoes and every single size and they were a
Speaker 2: stripe down the middle half was burgundy or maroon, half
Speaker 2: was great and they would have sizes on the back. Yeah,
Speaker 2: so you never had to worry about that when he
Speaker 2: came over.
Speaker 1: So you could have real bowling shoes just like at
Speaker 1: a bowling alley. Okay, correct.
Speaker 2: And then we had bowling balls, but my dad had
Speaker 2: his as bowling ball initialed. I believe my mom had
Speaker 2: one initialed. And then there were other bowling balls for reverything.
Speaker 1: Like I know this seems weird, but like did someone
Speaker 1: run the bowling alley, like who's setting the pins? Like
Speaker 1: or could a house manager come and do that.
Speaker 2: That was on the remote that you could do or
Speaker 2: something on the side of the wall that anyone could do.
Speaker 2: So my brother and I had friends over or something.
Speaker 2: We could manage it ourself, no one had to help.
Speaker 1: That was there a room like at the time, I
Speaker 1: would think it would be a racquet ball or something like.
Speaker 1: Was there another sort of gym or basketball court or
Speaker 1: anything else down there?
Speaker 2: Bowling was not working out runs in my family, so
Speaker 2: we weren't physical people. The gym was in there in
Speaker 2: the bowling Oh my god. You know my mom used
Speaker 2: to train with like this is og Do you remember
Speaker 2: by Jake?
Speaker 1: Of course?
Speaker 2: Yeah, before he was bodied by Jake, he was like
Speaker 2: my mom's personal trainer.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, wow, okay, all right.
Speaker 2: So they would do that tiny, small gym, but right
Speaker 2: next to the elevator and then you'd go in. So
Speaker 2: where you go in before you would go to the
Speaker 2: left and go to the bowling alley, there was this
Speaker 2: whole bar area, massive fish tank, and then there would
Speaker 2: be the bar in front of it.
Speaker 1: Whoa okay, like serve drinks bar.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean it was like a bar you
Speaker 2: would go to, except there wasn't a bartender behind it.
Speaker 2: But it was like had sides like you could probably
Speaker 2: see like twenty people at this bar.
Speaker 1: I don't know, God, okay, I've never known that before,
Speaker 1: all right, So what else is down there? Okay?
Speaker 2: And then you go to the right and there's a
Speaker 2: little door. There was an arcade, arcade arcade. Now we
Speaker 2: had an arcade. I think my dad had like a
Speaker 2: vintage pinball machine when he was young when he first
Speaker 2: like made it, like he got one, and I think
Speaker 2: he always loved like vintage arcade games. So in my
Speaker 2: first house we had an arcade, and we had a
Speaker 2: juke box which came all these og games came along,
Speaker 2: and then one O Pa. We had pac Man and
Speaker 2: Miss pac Man. Okay, we had uh Space Invaders, we
Speaker 2: had Pong. We had the jukebox which was very like
Speaker 2: had old school like Dean Martin, like my godfather like
Speaker 2: stuff all the way.
Speaker 1: Slash Dance. There's obviously a juke box in the peach pit,
Speaker 1: and like the there's that pinball at the walshes. So
Speaker 1: you see sort of little right.
Speaker 2: Those two things were really important to my dad totally,
Speaker 2: all right. And yeah, and then we had like new
Speaker 2: games and stuff like that. So that was in the
Speaker 2: arcade and a vintage pinball machine that my mom had
Speaker 2: made for my dad and only two of them exist,
Speaker 2: and she made one to go in the arcade in
Speaker 2: the manor, and one to go in his office.
Speaker 1: He's still around.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I think she does.
Speaker 1: I think she doesn't in the store or no, you
Speaker 1: know what, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: She does have one.
Speaker 1: It's at the beach House in arcade there, which is
Speaker 1: a small.
Speaker 2: Room, and I'm not sure where the other one is.
Speaker 2: But it was amazing because it was drawn. It was
Speaker 2: all pieces from his life. We were on it and
Speaker 2: all his shows. And then when you do the.
Speaker 1: Island, yeah, and you hit certain.
Speaker 2: Things, it would have the voices from the different actors
Speaker 2: from his shows.
Speaker 1: Like I would say morning Angels.
Speaker 2: Yes, or love are welcomed to Fantasy Island.
Speaker 1: Or wow, I don't know what, the TJ and the Hookers.
Speaker 2: And Dynasty Yeah, yeah, and had my voice, my brother's voice,
Speaker 2: my mom's voice.
Speaker 1: Right right, Charlie's Angels was your dad. I didn't make
Speaker 1: that up. Okay for a second, I was.
Speaker 2: Like, okay, like literally all his stars voiced the things
Speaker 2: on the pinball when it would hit certain things, it
Speaker 2: was It's incredible. So that was in there, and then
Speaker 2: you would go out of the arcade and go into
Speaker 2: this big mass another massive room which had the pool
Speaker 2: table in the center. Okay, so there's My dad was
Speaker 2: a really great at pool. Another thing he loved. I
Speaker 2: don't remember what else was in that room. It was expansive.
Speaker 2: But if you go clear through that and open the doors,
Speaker 2: you enter the doll museum.
Speaker 1: The doll that's right, Oh my god.
Speaker 2: Okay, doll museum.
Speaker 1: So what kind of stuff was in there?
Speaker 2: Well, my mom since childhood loved Madam Alexander gals yep,
Speaker 2: and she gave that love to me, and I would
Speaker 2: always have a collection of Madam Alexander dolls throughout my childhood.
Speaker 2: I always got them, but they were like the fancy dolls.
Speaker 2: They weren't the dolls you could play with, like the barbies.
Speaker 2: You could cut their hair and do all that with
Speaker 2: So I kind of never loved them because I couldn't
Speaker 2: like express myself with them and like redress their little things. Sure, sure,
Speaker 2: they're like collector's items. So so she collected those, We
Speaker 2: collected those. She collected those and grew and grew and
Speaker 2: grew her collection, and then eventually she also had the
Speaker 2: Candy Spelling doll collection on QBC that's right, which was
Speaker 2: inspired by this, and they were amazing too, and I
Speaker 2: might get it backwards, but in the vein of Madame Alexander,
Speaker 2: they would have different height ones, and so the different
Speaker 2: height ones, I think there were two sizes on QBC.
Speaker 2: One size was modeled after her face as a kid,
Speaker 2: and one face was modeled after mine. Oh, this is
Speaker 2: something I just thought of. I didn't remember this until
Speaker 2: we started talking.
Speaker 1: Wow, this up. So she did well with those dolls,
Speaker 1: so she sort of business Wow. Okay, yeah, so that
Speaker 1: did you ever go play?
Speaker 2: Not really in that room lighting and there was like
Speaker 2: big ones, the small ones, and they were all displayed.
Speaker 2: And then my dad also had a collection of oh shoot,
Speaker 2: palm toms not the scandal. Wait hold up, wait wait
Speaker 2: it's like automatoms. Am I saying it right? Vintage? They
Speaker 2: moved like originally like the monkey like cupping. She had
Speaker 2: like og monkey one, which super scary. But there were
Speaker 2: like ones that really were intricate that you would turn
Speaker 2: on and things would move around it. We couldn't touch
Speaker 2: this these either. They were like thousands of dollars, but
Speaker 2: I don't know. She had them all on display.
Speaker 1: Tom Toms how.
Speaker 2: Do you spell it? A Tomton's? I just remember it's
Speaker 2: like the monkey clapping like you would wind it up
Speaker 2: and be okay. But they had like really intricate ones
Speaker 2: that like you would turn like almost like a wind
Speaker 2: up on and like.
Speaker 1: Things would move and go around.
Speaker 2: And then she had a stage. Oh my god, for
Speaker 2: like puppets, no marionettes.
Speaker 1: It's like animatronics. Animatronics like chuck E cheese.
Speaker 2: Oh god, I wish I would have been great. Okay,
Speaker 2: so you guys.
Speaker 1: Hint creepy for me. I love your mom, but this
Speaker 1: room's a little creepy. I'm not totally feeling this.
Speaker 2: She's a collector. Okay, it was creepy as fuck. Yeah.
Speaker 2: If people going friends, oh my god. I used to
Speaker 2: fuck with my friends so bad because no, no, I'm
Speaker 2: not kidding. And Brian and I.
Speaker 1: Talk about this.
Speaker 2: So there if you go, if you go down the
Speaker 2: bowling alley and you go right down the back like
Speaker 2: where the gutter is right, what this.
Speaker 1: Is like a trip? Okay, keep going.
Speaker 2: Okay, So one time Brian Green and I and all
Speaker 2: our friends like we were over and I showed him
Speaker 2: but I used to do this with all my friends.
Speaker 2: Like he wasn't scared. But like I've had some friends
Speaker 2: that I have messed with bad. You would go down
Speaker 2: the bowling alley to the back and there was like
Speaker 2: you would push the wall it was seamless and it
Speaker 2: would pop open and you would go and you could
Speaker 2: go around the whole mechanics of the back of the
Speaker 2: mono and I mean it was like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: everything was down there. It was like the workings of
Speaker 2: awe whoa okay, And that would take you all the
Speaker 2: way around. It was dark and we weren't supposed to
Speaker 2: go back there, sorry, mom. And you would come out
Speaker 2: on another wall you would push seamless and it would
Speaker 2: pop you into the doll museum, which is on the
Speaker 2: other side of the house on the basement level.
Speaker 1: Did you ever play Hide and go Seek in this house?
Speaker 1: My gosh. Yeah.
Speaker 2: But we had to stop because one time I had
Speaker 2: a friend get lost. We can find her for two days,
Speaker 2: and it was a problem. Her parents were furious. I
Speaker 2: just made that up. I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Hide and seek it was like impossible. I mean, if
Speaker 2: you hand like a three day hide and Seek adventure,
Speaker 2: I mean imagine escape rooms and immersive events.
Speaker 1: Totally totally all right, you're in the okay, pop this call.
Speaker 2: We would scare friends, first of all, just the way
Speaker 2: you're reacting. Almost every friend that I would bring over,
Speaker 2: like girls in high.
Speaker 1: School, would be like they'd walk into the.
Speaker 2: Doll museum and I'd be like adjusting the lights to
Speaker 2: dim them perfectly, and they're like, this is creepy.
Speaker 1: Sorry eighties children with Poultergeist, and it's just like the
Speaker 1: clown will never leave.
Speaker 2: Everyone was scared, terrified, but we my brother and I
Speaker 2: would mess with them and like you would be like, oh, someone,
Speaker 2: you know, one of us take you on a tour.
Speaker 2: And then someone would pop through that door and go
Speaker 2: around the back and go whoa. And then they'd be like, would.
Speaker 1: Your mom go down there and kind of enjoy it
Speaker 1: or you know, rearrange the dolls? Like would she go
Speaker 1: down there? Or maybe like I don't know what was
Speaker 1: happening in there, nothing a lot enough.
Speaker 2: You would check to see if everything was dusted, but
Speaker 2: I don't remember.
Speaker 1: Sorry, all right, So then what else is down there?
Speaker 1: What else is down in this sort of basement? Is
Speaker 1: this where the wrapping room is? Oh no, the wrapping
Speaker 1: room wasn't.
Speaker 2: Down there now, So there were two wrapping rooms two two,
Speaker 2: and then they one.
Speaker 1: Wrapping like on the walls, like at the department stores
Speaker 1: where you could go off that big thing and run,
Speaker 1: or it was it regular roles.
Speaker 2: Oh duh, okay, okay, now I'm just kidding.
Speaker 1: Wall.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean she like put it in where it
Speaker 2: was like seamless to the wall. You would have like
Speaker 2: the beautiful did she do all of it?
Speaker 1: So she did the.
Speaker 2: Wrapping, Wow, all of it?
Speaker 1: Wow, it was her.
Speaker 2: I mean it's d y, just a very elevated level.
Speaker 2: I have a craft drawer, for instance. That's the extensive
Speaker 2: extense crafty people.
Speaker 1: But like on Christmas, ravigantly wrapped in gifts that your
Speaker 1: mom rapped.
Speaker 2: And this was going back to when I was little,
Speaker 2: so she always like wanted to have She was like,
Speaker 2: one day, I'm gonna have like a dedicated gift wrapping room.
Speaker 2: And she did, and she would have My mom so organized.
Speaker 2: She's she's a Virgo double virgo, so she likes things
Speaker 2: very organized.
Speaker 1: I wish I had. I was going to say, just
Speaker 1: like you, not at all.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm like the opposite, maybe because my life
Speaker 2: was so organized growing up, I just was like book it.
Speaker 2: He went the opposite. Who knows.
Speaker 1: It's a theory.
Speaker 2: Uh, but she would have everything, like one wall would
Speaker 2: just be like Riven. One wall would just be all
Speaker 2: little what we would think of now trinkets, charms, and
Speaker 2: it would be like, yeah, it was every animal. It
Speaker 2: would be like going into Michael's basically.
Speaker 1: But way better curated super sheet. Okay, so here's my question.
Speaker 1: Was the house always organized like no one had clutter?
Speaker 2: Like where was the clutter? No clutter in my brain?
Speaker 1: And was your room always like clean and organized there?
Speaker 2: Yeah? WHOA, I wonder if like you're not my doing.
Speaker 1: No, I know, I wonder if like your clutter thing
Speaker 1: is because you never had clutter before. Sorry to call
Speaker 1: you out, but Tori's not. She's a little messy, guys,
Speaker 1: Like she's a little messy messiest.
Speaker 2: Fuck. Yeah, it's interesting when I go to other people's
Speaker 2: houses or like a if we stay in an airbnb
Speaker 2: and get super excited to like make everything pretty and
Speaker 2: make it look great, like yeah, great right, But in
Speaker 2: my own life, no, it doesn't happen even before kids. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know, I mean, but keep in mind, you guys,
Speaker 2: I grew up that I'm not taught like, hey, when
Speaker 2: you take something off, you put it here and fold
Speaker 2: in like oh okay, okay, okay. From a young but yeah,
Speaker 2: this is what I'm supposed to do.
Speaker 1: Like I would take.
Speaker 2: Something off or you know, and before it hit the
Speaker 2: ground some ground it It was you know, it was
Speaker 2: just I remember my best friend Jess. This is not
Speaker 2: that long ago, you guys, this is like seven years ago.
Speaker 1: Uh I was.
Speaker 2: She was like, oh, She's like, we grabbed the vacuum.
Speaker 2: We had made a mess and it was like after
Speaker 2: New Year's and she was like, there's confetti and I
Speaker 2: was like okay. And she was sitting there and I
Speaker 2: went and grabbed it and then I was like you.
Speaker 2: She goes, what are you doing? And I go, I
Speaker 2: don't know how to turn a vacuum on. She goes
Speaker 2: what And she was laughing. She was dying.
Speaker 1: She's like, is this a joke? Right now?
Speaker 2: I was like, it's not a joke. I'm so embarrassed.
Speaker 2: I don't even want to say. And then she was like, no,
Speaker 2: you know what, Actually it makes sense, like the way
Speaker 2: you grew up, like we all get taught that we or.
Speaker 1: We would get like paid like a dollar to vacuum
Speaker 1: the house, right, so like you're not going to get
Speaker 1: paid a vacuum of fifty six.
Speaker 2: Oh god, I mean it m'd be more than all area.
Speaker 1: Yeah, in the in the eighties. In the eighties, I
Speaker 1: think we had a vacuum and then you'd rake the rug.
Speaker 1: I never did the raking, but like my mom can remember,
Speaker 1: like you'd rake the rug.
Speaker 2: I hear stories of this from friends, and I'm like,
Speaker 2: I wanted that when I was young. I mean, we'll
Speaker 2: do that in another episode. We got to talk the
Speaker 2: whole episode about literally growing up, because I on summer
Speaker 2: vacations would beg the staff that worked at my first
Speaker 2: house growing up to just work for them and follow
Speaker 2: them around all day and have lunch with them.
Speaker 1: Wow, just taking this all.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a whole different story. But yeah, that was
Speaker 2: me growing up. Like I was like, you know, yeah, anyway,
Speaker 2: it's next. Am I blowing your mind right now?
Speaker 1: You're like, no, just to like the whole thing. The
Speaker 1: whole thing is just like a lot. All right, let's
Speaker 1: go from the basement upstairs right on the main level.
Speaker 1: I'm sure there was like we don't need to get
Speaker 1: the weeds, but there's like a living room, dining room. Now,
Speaker 1: did you ever have spelling family dinners like that was
Speaker 1: just the four of you, yes, but not in the
Speaker 1: dining room in the where were room? And is that
Speaker 1: attached to the kitchen or it was separate. So there
Speaker 1: you enter the house from the side what you would
Speaker 1: call it like the staff entrance, but that was our end.
Speaker 1: It was like every wheel right, your car came through there.
Speaker 1: We never came through the big heavy doors.
Speaker 2: In the front, and to the right was the guard's room.
Speaker 2: To the left was guard staff like kitchen.
Speaker 1: Now when you say sorry, when you say the guard's room,
Speaker 1: like it's where the guard slept, or it's where the
Speaker 1: guard is like in his little space and like twenty
Speaker 1: monitors and is like making sure. Wow, okay, So the two.
Speaker 2: Security guards twenty four hours a day, they took shifts.
Speaker 2: No one slept there. What did they have guns?
Speaker 1: Good question? Probably.
Speaker 2: I believe they were all retired police officers, So I
Speaker 2: believe they did. Which in my old house when I
Speaker 2: was young, not all of them were armed. And there
Speaker 2: would be uh college kids that would do it as
Speaker 2: like a side job at night. Oh my friends and
Speaker 2: I would sneak in there and.
Speaker 1: I think they were cute.
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right, so the.
Speaker 1: Guard all right, I'm just the guards. I'm not gonna lie,
Speaker 1: I'm just overwhelmed or in the dogs.
Speaker 2: The dogs always, I don't even know why had their
Speaker 2: beds in the dogs in the guard's room. This is
Speaker 2: from when we were young, so it just like carried on,
Speaker 2: carried on, and so the dogs would be in their
Speaker 2: beds in there. They had full roam of the house
Speaker 2: but I don't know, and the guards would take them
Speaker 2: mountain stuff. Then the staff like kitchen slash dining room
Speaker 2: to the left where they would eat lunch and everything
Speaker 2: and had brakes. Then this kind of moss hallway, and
Speaker 2: then to the left would be the ginormous kitchen. It
Speaker 2: was a huge two of like two refrigerators, two freezers
Speaker 2: like all of that. Then there'd be the silver room,
Speaker 2: silver country.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, okay, which that stuff is a real
Speaker 1: pain in the ass to polish. I would I don't.
Speaker 1: I would never use silver because you have to hand
Speaker 1: wash it and polish it a.
Speaker 2: Trop Oh my gosh. I'm not sure how often. But
Speaker 2: the butler would that would be like a full day
Speaker 2: job to.
Speaker 1: We're gonna need it. We're gonna We're going to pause again,
Speaker 1: the butler, So is there like a butler that answers
Speaker 1: the door like and does all the the butt. I
Speaker 1: need to know what this guy did. So did you
Speaker 1: ever answer the front door or like the butler did?
Speaker 2: Or did it? Uh? No, I just wanted to go there,
Speaker 2: butler did the butler? Hey, once we got to the manor,
Speaker 2: I feel like we didn't really have a skeler as much.
Speaker 1: Did your dad have like a right hand man two
Speaker 1: that would like start up the car or your dad
Speaker 1: didn't drive right? Oh?
Speaker 2: Big Renee that was his name, because my dad he
Speaker 2: had two Renees in his life. Female Renee, who is
Speaker 2: his assistant. He called his work wife like she was
Speaker 2: with her before he even met my mom. That's how
Speaker 2: they were together, went through from small to big with
Speaker 2: him and then Renee. His driver was a retired chauffeur
Speaker 2: for a service and he was his He drove us everywhere,
Speaker 2: drove my dad to work and back. And yeah, did
Speaker 2: your dad ever drive? No?
Speaker 1: What about your mom? Yes? Okay, wow, So your dad
Speaker 1: had this driver and like this guy would come at
Speaker 1: eight am or seven am or whatever and just be
Speaker 1: there until he dropped him off at night and take
Speaker 1: him around. Like if your dad was like I need
Speaker 1: to go to a lunch.
Speaker 2: It the you know right, damn must have driven at
Speaker 2: some point. I mean I remember us on Saturdays, like
Speaker 2: going to thrifties my dad and I.
Speaker 1: Yes, I remember to get ice cream. Oh my god?
Speaker 1: So how many cars? How many cars were there? Like
Speaker 1: was there a big in this staff entrance? Was there
Speaker 1: a big garage and a lot of cars? Like what
Speaker 1: kind of car did your dad drive around in? Like
Speaker 1: a Rolls Royce Stretch, a Limo, Nomo?
Speaker 2: And and then I think like, yeah, we had the
Speaker 2: white Limo in the eighties, Like growing up it was
Speaker 2: the white long stretch eighties Limo. And then I feel
Speaker 2: like my mom like transitioned him to like more modern
Speaker 2: times and then he had like a town car in
Speaker 2: Okay probably once we moved there. It was like a
Speaker 2: town car.
Speaker 1: But you would like a family trip, like, say, y'all
Speaker 1: are going because you didn't fly, so say you're all
Speaker 1: going to like I don't know, somebody, I'm just making
Speaker 1: it up. Did a driver drive you?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: And an RV? Oh my god, and an r V?
Speaker 1: And how who else would come along?
Speaker 2: The nanny, the nanny, my dad's assistant, my mom's assistant,
Speaker 2: Jerry and when we were young, who was like our
Speaker 2: security guard slash like family, like you did everything with
Speaker 2: us driver.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there was no like just the four of
Speaker 1: you barely ever.
Speaker 2: No, we would go on smaller trips than there would
Speaker 2: be I guess when I'm thinking like family vacations in RV,
Speaker 2: I'm thinking Vegas because we would go there and stay
Speaker 2: for like a month, and my dad would also film
Speaker 2: and do all that so he could work and be
Speaker 2: with us. But I guess when we went to like,
Speaker 2: you know, if we were going to like San Diego
Speaker 2: for the weekend or something like that, it wouldn't be
Speaker 2: it would just be the four of us and maybe
Speaker 2: a nanny.
Speaker 1: Ya. Wow, all right, so week can we go back
Speaker 1: to where were we? Yeah, we're gonna have to do
Speaker 1: a part two.
Speaker 2: There's some hard ship, right, this is crazy stuff. I'm
Speaker 2: not I'm remembering for the first time in twenty years.
Speaker 2: This is awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because we haven't even gotten to the bathrooms. I
Speaker 1: haven't gotten to the bedrooms I have I don't know
Speaker 1: what's in the attic, Like, there's so much. All right,
Speaker 1: to end this first part of say It, Secrets of
Speaker 1: the Manner, Secrets of the secrets.
Speaker 2: I could do better?
Speaker 1: So well, how do I even like end this? It's like,
Speaker 1: was it happy? There?
Speaker 2: There can of We're going to go.
Speaker 1: Into so much more. I mean I have like did
Speaker 1: you ever just get a tune, a fish sandwich and
Speaker 1: go sit in a chaise lounge out by the pool?
Speaker 1: I mean, was there a ping pong table?
Speaker 2: I got?
Speaker 1: I got endless questions. But just because this is overwhelming,
Speaker 1: like was it fun? There? Was it fun?
Speaker 2: Well? We had so much fun, but like, I'll leave
Speaker 2: you on this for this one fifty six thousand square
Speaker 2: foot house, one hundred and twenty five ish rooms maybe more,
Speaker 2: and the only rooms my core four person family ever
Speaker 2: used all the time.
Speaker 1: Was the kitchen.
Speaker 2: Yeah, my parents' office because my dad had his own office.
Speaker 1: There was your dad's office and then their office correct, wow.
Speaker 2: Okay, And his office was the one he did all
Speaker 2: his business meetings in and my mom had every show
Speaker 2: and movie he ever did, leather bound scripts, walls, you know,
Speaker 2: Florida ceiling covering, a big desk, you know, and he'd
Speaker 2: have great meetings in there, and we watch all his
Speaker 2: dailies in there that I loved going in there. But yeah,
Speaker 2: so our family office the kitchen, our bedrooms, which my parents' bedroom,
Speaker 2: my brother and I and and I guess like the
Speaker 2: lower level, which just the bowling alley, the bar, and
Speaker 2: the arcade, because we were scared of the doll museum too,
Speaker 2: and that's like all we ever went in. Ever in
Speaker 2: the bathroom, was there a family keep in mind. Oh wait,
Speaker 2: I'll leave you on this fun one. My brother and I.
Speaker 2: I think this is very like fancy European or something.
Speaker 2: But each of our rooms had a guest room.
Speaker 1: What so like when you had a friend sleepover, they
Speaker 1: could sleep in the room attached to your room.
Speaker 2: Like it was like an alcove in the main hallway
Speaker 2: and you go into this alcove and there'd be a
Speaker 2: vested mule, and then you could go left within this
Speaker 2: festibule and make left. You'd go into my room. Right,
Speaker 2: you would go into my guest room. It's very fancy
Speaker 2: that left in the bathroom or you shared the bathroom.
Speaker 1: No, oh yeah, Tory's guests room had its own bathroom.
Speaker 2: Yes, because it was kind of in the theory of
Speaker 2: like a two bedroom suiteet at a hotel. You have
Speaker 2: the main room and then you have the other one.
Speaker 2: Guess who slept in that guest bedroom.
Speaker 1: Shannon, nobody. No everybody slept in them.
Speaker 2: We all piled in my bed and wanted to be
Speaker 2: cozy and hang out and beat girls, and no one
Speaker 2: ever slept in that room.
Speaker 1: Did you ever have to make a bed or did
Speaker 1: someone come and make your bed every day?
Speaker 2: I never made a bed till I moved to my
Speaker 2: first apartment, or if I slept at friends' houses, but
Speaker 2: I was never allowed really, only like one once or
Speaker 2: twice I would help them.
Speaker 1: Wow, So I know, send more questions. But I'm also
Speaker 1: gonna let people send us their questions for part two
Speaker 1: Secrets of the Manor. So send us your d ms
Speaker 1: or write them on you know, Instagram, so we can
Speaker 1: for part two because like, we haven't even covered any
Speaker 1: of the things I wanted to cover.
Speaker 2: We have to find these on eBay somewhere. I wish
Speaker 2: I had kept one. There were pens that my mom
Speaker 2: had made. Penza said this was stolen from the Manner
Speaker 2: who she was being funny.
Speaker 1: Very really get a president ever come to the Manor.
Speaker 2: Oh, Prince Charles.
Speaker 1: My god, Okay, join us for part two of Secrets
Speaker 1: of the Manor, coming soon, and you will hear about
Speaker 1: Prince Charles's visit to the manner. You can't say it right.
Speaker 2: You say it secrets the manner. Oh, I'm getting better.
Speaker 2: This is fun.