WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Minicamp Concerns 0:00:03.040 --> 0:00:05.600 The following is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:05.640 --> 0:00:17.400 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This He's talking Cowboys, 0:00:17.400 --> 0:00:20.760 screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World Head Hours at 0:00:20.760 --> 0:00:24.200 the Star in Frisco. Elliot, flowing to the goal line, 0:00:24.960 --> 0:00:33.400 saw that here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons, Rob Phillips, 0:00:33.720 --> 0:00:38.160 and Bill Jones. Whoa, Bill, whoa? I got my name 0:00:38.240 --> 0:00:41.080 on it? How about that? You gotta start off right? 0:00:41.400 --> 0:00:45.919 All right? We are updated, and it is Tuesday, June twelfth, 0:00:46.080 --> 0:00:50.199 two thy eighteen, and this is the day we've all 0:00:50.200 --> 0:00:53.280 been waiting for. It's the first day of Cowboys Mini Camp, 0:00:53.600 --> 0:00:56.320 one of the most important meetings in the world going 0:00:56.360 --> 0:00:59.400 on right now as we discuss what's going on with 0:00:59.440 --> 0:01:01.600 the Cowboys. I thought he was gonna say the return 0:01:01.600 --> 0:01:03.240 of Bill Joe. I was gonna say, this is your 0:01:03.280 --> 0:01:06.360 first show back in like twelve years. It is feel 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:08.640 feeling different than the first time you did. There are 0:01:08.680 --> 0:01:11.640 bright lights in here, yeah, but the lights are much 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:14.199 brighter here at the Star than they were at the ranch, 0:01:14.319 --> 0:01:16.760 right making do you realize that three of the four 0:01:16.920 --> 0:01:19.560 here or on the original row now? And I was 0:01:19.600 --> 0:01:22.600 trying to remember when the original to the big table. 0:01:22.600 --> 0:01:25.280 That's right. I know you guys. Did you guys have 0:01:25.400 --> 0:01:28.679 him like at the kids card table at the Thanksgiving meal? Yeah? 0:01:28.959 --> 0:01:35.280 Adding there was the show Yeah, I remember the show guys. Yeah, 0:01:35.319 --> 0:01:38.440 so was that two thousand and four? Yes, okay, two 0:01:38.480 --> 0:01:42.679 thousand and four. It was the old Cowboys channel which 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:48.200 was on Comcast Cable watched you guys, which was so 0:01:48.240 --> 0:01:49.680 I knew That's what I knew. Rob was at the 0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:53.320 card table because I've told that story. There's no no 0:01:53.720 --> 0:01:56.280 I was. I was working at the team and then yeah, 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:58.800 but we we I saw you what you're doing. Okay, 0:01:59.000 --> 0:02:01.400 you kept these guys in line. I tried. It was 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:04.240 like an adult table and there was enough room for 0:02:04.280 --> 0:02:09.000 everybody else. We're saying, okay, Thanksgiving you okay. The table 0:02:09.120 --> 0:02:11.680 sort of like this one, yeah, which was a TV 0:02:11.919 --> 0:02:15.200 studio table. And then Rob was And how old were 0:02:15.200 --> 0:02:17.079 you at the time there, Rob, I was right out 0:02:17.120 --> 0:02:22.000 of college three so he had just graduated from internship 0:02:22.080 --> 0:02:25.040 maybe yes, And I was still on it. You still 0:02:25.120 --> 0:02:27.480 on it? Yeah? And so you were like at a 0:02:27.600 --> 0:02:31.639 school desk, one of those first grade desks exactly. You've 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:34.080 seen Billy Madison, the movie that was me back in 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:37.080 third grade and Rob was in charge of Slippy's class. 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:41.680 Rob was in charge of emails, long before social media. 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:43.640 I know we didn't have tweets back then, didn't we. 0:02:43.800 --> 0:02:46.400 You guys have got hammerd then if that was the face, right, 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:48.920 and this is how old school that show was. Y'all 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:51.919 had Tony Romo on as an in studio guest that 0:02:52.000 --> 0:02:54.720 oh fourth season, and he was just a backup quarterback, 0:02:54.880 --> 0:02:58.800 just kind of spinning things. He was so glim then. Yeah, yeah, 0:02:58.840 --> 0:03:01.720 he wasn't would have thought that he would turn into 0:03:01.960 --> 0:03:04.120 the quarterback he was going to be and then be 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:07.600 reserved in all of his interviews and then will and behold. 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:09.560 He went back to two thousand and four when he 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:12.080 got on CBS last fall and he was glib again. 0:03:12.240 --> 0:03:14.760 He was he was Was he in the backup that 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:20.320 year or was there somebody else? And he was thir Henson. 0:03:20.440 --> 0:03:22.959 Henson was a backup, He was the he was the 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:29.120 third guy because Testaverdi. Yeah wow, So anyway, but enough 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:31.119 about two thousand and four. It's good to have you back. 0:03:31.240 --> 0:03:33.600 That's great to be back. Yeah, it's great to be back. 0:03:33.800 --> 0:03:36.720 Looking forward to this and there's so much to get 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:40.240 into By the way, Brian, I loved your I've got 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:43.119 it written down here. Check it out on Dallas Cowboys 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:46.240 dot com. The top ten surprises of the offseason. I'd 0:03:46.240 --> 0:03:47.960 like to get into that a little bit. But how 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:50.520 about we get into the news of the day to 0:03:50.720 --> 0:03:53.520 start things off as we get set for the Cowboys 0:03:53.520 --> 0:03:55.840 to hit the practice field for the first of three 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:58.240 days of this mini camp course a mandatory mini caamp. 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:01.080 Didn't they take basically six weeks off and start training. 0:04:03.080 --> 0:04:05.440 And I'm with you, Brian, I'm not into that. No, 0:04:05.720 --> 0:04:07.640 And I know we can get into it another time, 0:04:07.720 --> 0:04:10.600 but I just don't like the fact you're giving the 0:04:10.720 --> 0:04:13.680 players six weeks off and hey, some of them every 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:16.200 team does. Yeah, and just okay, give it to him 0:04:16.400 --> 0:04:18.280 and I wrote this and a good feeling last night. 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:20.280 Give it to him on the on the front end. 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:24.000 Let him have four weeks off, you know, after the season. 0:04:24.040 --> 0:04:25.880 Give them the other time early and then if you 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:28.279 want to have these mini camps the OTAs at the 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:31.680 very end a week or two before training camps start. 0:04:31.760 --> 0:04:34.520 I think that's just so much more productive in a 0:04:34.560 --> 0:04:38.880 way of helping your team potentially avoid those soft tissue 0:04:38.920 --> 0:04:41.080 injuries that seem to be the buzzword when we all 0:04:41.080 --> 0:04:44.200 get to Oxnard. You can blame it on the NFLPA. 0:04:44.480 --> 0:04:47.120 Those were the things that they were, you know, trying 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:49.719 to angle for when they came up with the new CBA, 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:55.800 retaining the physical conditioning and even retaining the mental reps that, yeah, 0:04:56.080 --> 0:05:00.560 you are having structure for a period of time when 0:05:00.560 --> 0:05:02.640 you're going to give a bunch of young guys six 0:05:02.680 --> 0:05:06.679 weeks with how much basis nothing to do. Just hold 0:05:06.720 --> 0:05:12.920 your breath or see fireworks in Frisco. Okay, Zach Martin 0:05:13.080 --> 0:05:15.360 is about to become, if he hasn't already become, a 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:19.360 very very rich man. Yeah. Yes, My understanding was last 0:05:19.440 --> 0:05:21.360 night that the only thing that needed to be done 0:05:21.480 --> 0:05:23.920 was dot the eyes and crossed the teas, and they 0:05:23.960 --> 0:05:28.400 were quite hopeful that he would be out here, signed 0:05:28.440 --> 0:05:30.839 and take part in the mini camp. And a couple 0:05:30.920 --> 0:05:33.960 hours before that, whatever updates you got, which I'm sure 0:05:33.960 --> 0:05:36.640 it was very valid, they were just dealing with some 0:05:36.720 --> 0:05:39.159 language things, a couple of minor things. The structure of 0:05:39.160 --> 0:05:41.320 the deal sounded like it was pretty much in place. 0:05:41.560 --> 0:05:44.599 So will we should be done? Highest paid guard in 0:05:44.640 --> 0:05:46.880 the league, and not only in the league, but in 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:51.279 the history of the league. So that means right now 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:54.560 the highest paid is sixty five million, so he's probably 0:05:55.240 --> 0:05:59.440 getting closer seven that's over five years, So then we're 0:05:59.520 --> 0:06:04.600 looking at probably six years over eighty million dollars. Yeahsion years. 0:06:04.720 --> 0:06:07.880 Quite an investment in your offensive one expensive o line. Yeah. 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:10.159 But the one thing about that we've learned is paying 0:06:10.200 --> 0:06:13.040 these offensive lineman has not been bad business for them. 0:06:13.560 --> 0:06:16.640 You know, there's some people that have paid positions. You 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:18.919 can think about what's going on with the Giants with 0:06:19.000 --> 0:06:21.520 Olivier Vernon, and you know there's some people that have 0:06:21.640 --> 0:06:24.560 gotten paid and might have one year, maybe one and 0:06:24.600 --> 0:06:27.320 a half, really good years. But the Cowboys have been 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:30.479 pretty consistent about that offensive line and that's and that's 0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:34.040 been good business for them to say, Okay, Tyrn Smith, 0:06:34.160 --> 0:06:37.560 Travis Frederick gave Lyle Collins a little bump up in 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:39.480 what he was doing. You know, try to add some 0:06:39.560 --> 0:06:44.720 years to that. So, uh, having Zach Martin locked up 0:06:44.800 --> 0:06:46.800 for and you go through I mean, if you count 0:06:46.839 --> 0:06:48.880 the years, I'm terrible in math because I'm with school 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:52.919 in Louisiana, But you know, it's like, you know, exactly 0:06:52.920 --> 0:06:56.960 think about twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four. 0:06:56.960 --> 0:06:59.160 They're keeping this offensive line. And what I've learned over 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:03.000 the years this that offensive lineman. The older they get, 0:07:03.040 --> 0:07:05.160 the better they get. You know, once you learn how 0:07:05.200 --> 0:07:07.520 to whole trip and clip, you know, you know, you 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:09.720 become pretty You become pretty good. You can play into 0:07:09.760 --> 0:07:12.280 your thirties, thirty five years old, thirty six years old, 0:07:12.320 --> 0:07:14.680 and still be effective doing it. So not a bad 0:07:14.760 --> 0:07:16.720 way of going about it. If you're going to sign guy, 0:07:16.800 --> 0:07:18.360 and if you look at it just in a vacuum, 0:07:18.400 --> 0:07:20.560 just him, he might be the best player on your 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:23.480 football team pound for pound. He doesn't miss games either. 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:27.080 And Travis Frederick's another guy. Lal Collins played through some stuff. 0:07:27.400 --> 0:07:30.480 Tyrn's the only one of the big contract guys that's 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:33.120 that's missed some time. But overall it's a really durable group. 0:07:33.400 --> 0:07:37.160 So essentially you've got debating there. You've got locked up 0:07:37.240 --> 0:07:40.600 basically four first round picks because Lal Collins would have 0:07:40.600 --> 0:07:43.360 been a first round pick. So you got four guys, 0:07:43.360 --> 0:07:45.680 and if Connor Williams comes through for you as a 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:51.200 second you've made investment, yeah in that in that offensive line, 0:07:51.280 --> 0:07:55.880 and um, that kind of at least somewhat solidifies your 0:07:55.920 --> 0:07:59.800 offense that you're assured of number one, protecting your quarterback 0:07:59.800 --> 0:08:03.120 in number two, having a running game that you can 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:06.400 rely on. Plus you feel better about it because of 0:08:06.440 --> 0:08:09.800 the swing tackle situation right now. And that's the key 0:08:09.880 --> 0:08:13.320 thing with Connor Williams, right because if he earns that 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:16.480 starting spot at guard, no one has to move. Lele 0:08:16.560 --> 0:08:20.400 Collins stays out there, Cameron Fleming becomes. The draft Guards 0:08:20.440 --> 0:08:22.840 threw him a break when they when Connor Williams was 0:08:22.880 --> 0:08:26.000 there because that there were still some questions and we 0:08:26.200 --> 0:08:28.600 talked about it a bunch. Hey, you know, he even said, 0:08:28.640 --> 0:08:31.080 I don't want to move. I really don't want to move. 0:08:31.080 --> 0:08:32.760 I want to stay where I'm at the right tackle. 0:08:32.720 --> 0:08:35.600 I'm talking about Lyle Collins. And you know the fact 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:38.600 that Connor Williams was there, a lot of people including myself, 0:08:38.640 --> 0:08:40.480 thought Connor Williams was going to get picked by the 0:08:40.559 --> 0:08:43.520 Saints at twenty nine. And the fact that he lasted 0:08:43.520 --> 0:08:46.040 all the way to fifty I think is the draft 0:08:46.080 --> 0:08:48.840 Guards threw him a huge gift there to solidify that 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:53.480 offensive line even more. By the way, Lyle Collins number 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:58.480 two on Brian brought us list of top ten offseason surprises. 0:08:58.559 --> 0:09:01.080 What he's done at right tackle him not bad, not bad. 0:09:01.120 --> 0:09:03.360 He brought up an interesting point last week too, By 0:09:03.360 --> 0:09:06.720 the way, they got four guys and they're starting five. 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:09.439 They can play left tackle if you need to. I mean, 0:09:09.679 --> 0:09:15.200 the diversatility is really amazing. Just crippled him last year though, Well, 0:09:15.760 --> 0:09:18.680 well they didn't have somebody that could play left tackle. 0:09:18.720 --> 0:09:21.320 They don't. They want to keep guys in and so yeah, 0:09:21.360 --> 0:09:24.400 you're relying on now, can Cameron Fleming be that guy? 0:09:24.640 --> 0:09:27.800 But three of those guys wind up playing left tackle, 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:30.880 then you got real problems on the offensive line. Yeah, 0:09:30.920 --> 0:09:33.680 that's true. If if if you're tune a position where 0:09:33.800 --> 0:09:35.720 Zach Martin's got to go out and play left tackle, 0:09:35.840 --> 0:09:38.240 then that means that things have really gone crazy. Yet 0:09:38.320 --> 0:09:40.160 you're right, You're absolutely right. I do think it speaks 0:09:40.200 --> 0:09:43.600 to just the talent level, because that means those guys 0:09:43.600 --> 0:09:46.839 were the best players on their lines in college, Zach Martin, 0:09:46.880 --> 0:09:49.880 Connor Williams. So yeah, they're amassing a lot of talent 0:09:49.920 --> 0:09:53.240 for sure. All Right, David Irving on the premises, we 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:57.840 hear I've heard that he is, Yes, Okay, so we'll 0:09:57.880 --> 0:10:00.480 see how that all plays out forget him anything or 0:10:00.760 --> 0:10:03.120 if you thought he was in New York? No, oh no, 0:10:03.240 --> 0:10:10.400 that's I got my defensive ends. Yeah, right, trouble you know, 0:10:11.840 --> 0:10:15.040 I'll love them all together. Right, what's the what? What's 0:10:15.080 --> 0:10:17.800 the if we crystal ball this? What's gonna be the 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:25.320 end story for David? For Randy Randy David, it's gonna 0:10:25.320 --> 0:10:27.480 be Yeah, what's gonna be the in story for him? Though? 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:30.480 The story? The d story? What do we what do 0:10:30.559 --> 0:10:33.800 we What are we expecting? What do we think? What 0:10:33.880 --> 0:10:36.680 do we I mean? What do you think they're thinking? 0:10:37.040 --> 0:10:42.360 I think they're thinking that there's with his history and 0:10:42.760 --> 0:10:45.480 kind of what's been going on with his personal life, 0:10:46.120 --> 0:10:51.959 um that they're stin ice there. I just test away 0:10:52.000 --> 0:10:54.680 from they're very hopeful. I don't think they're worried about 0:10:54.720 --> 0:10:58.760 that part. I think they're worried about his personal life. 0:10:59.000 --> 0:11:04.520 Not not for a drug standpoint. Remember whatever he tested 0:11:04.559 --> 0:11:08.200 posit for, it was a performance enhanced absolutely yeah, and 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:12.080 supposedly taking a substance that he didn't realize was was 0:11:12.160 --> 0:11:18.400 not sanctioned. So from that point, I don't know they 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:22.080 worry about it. But it's the other part of his 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:24.720 family life that he's got to get in order and 0:11:24.920 --> 0:11:27.000 not let that get in the way of playing football. 0:11:27.200 --> 0:11:30.200 And I think that's why they gave him this leeway 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:34.040 during OTAs to say, hey, get it straight, get it 0:11:34.120 --> 0:11:36.840 taken care of the best you can, and then let's 0:11:36.840 --> 0:11:39.040 go play football. But it's not just that, right, it's 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:42.320 also the football side getting in shape, getting in condition. 0:11:42.600 --> 0:11:44.720 And if he's here, I don't know what he would 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:47.760 do at mini camp after not participating in the OTAs. 0:11:47.840 --> 0:11:50.040 He could be here avoid getting fined. He's trying to 0:11:50.040 --> 0:11:55.000 save himself eighty six Brown. So now the question is 0:11:55.160 --> 0:11:57.400 six you mentioned six weeks still camp. What can he 0:11:57.440 --> 0:11:59.680 do basically on his own to get in shape. So 0:11:59.720 --> 0:12:02.800 you're not spending training camp getting in shape as a player, 0:12:02.840 --> 0:12:04.719 would you rather be out on the practice field or 0:12:04.800 --> 0:12:09.839 on the side with Britt Brown? Practice field? Practice field? 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:13.319 You get like five reps and then you go stand 0:12:13.320 --> 0:12:15.200 and while everybody else gets five and then the rest 0:12:15.200 --> 0:12:19.479 of it it's a hard or three days if Brown, Yeah, 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:22.280 for sure he had all the reps with Britt You 0:12:22.280 --> 0:12:24.000 know you were, but you were you were hopeful that 0:12:24.120 --> 0:12:27.880 and again it was wasted three weeks for David Irby. 0:12:28.160 --> 0:12:30.480 If he gets his life in order, you know, with 0:12:30.480 --> 0:12:32.720 his family. That's really the most important thing. That's what 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:34.960 you really look forward to. But as far as his 0:12:35.000 --> 0:12:38.840 football life, he wasted three weeks, you know, he wasted 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:41.640 time on the practice field. He you know, he hasn't 0:12:41.679 --> 0:12:44.360 played a full season since he's been here, and only 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:47.000 eight games last year and last year, and he had 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:48.800 the concussion at the end of the year, and there 0:12:48.800 --> 0:12:50.960 were questions about that. I mean not the questions if 0:12:50.960 --> 0:12:53.400 he had a concussion, but wow, when did it happen? 0:12:53.760 --> 0:12:55.080 You know, what was he doing? You know, all that 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:58.600 kind of stuff. But yeah, I think that for someone 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:02.000 that is so talented, I've never seen so many questions 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:04.880 about a player, you know, such an opportunity. Yeah, and 0:13:04.920 --> 0:13:07.000 you're thinking like okay, and everybody was like, going, well, 0:13:07.000 --> 0:13:09.360 you if you tender him that second round, he's gone. 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:13.760 And I'm thinking, no, he's not, because football people are 0:13:13.760 --> 0:13:16.040 looking at him and going, when has he really ever 0:13:16.080 --> 0:13:18.120 done it? You know when I mean, when has he 0:13:18.160 --> 0:13:20.360 done it with any consistency? They could have done the 0:13:20.360 --> 0:13:22.480 first round tender and they didn't. Yeah, I mean they 0:13:22.520 --> 0:13:26.120 saved themselves. Why some money, I think, And that's again, 0:13:26.360 --> 0:13:29.600 you you're saving yourself. But that just shows you if 0:13:29.640 --> 0:13:32.560 they weren't willing to commit the first round tender to him, 0:13:33.040 --> 0:13:36.040 that they have their own questions about him and I 0:13:36.120 --> 0:13:38.560 and I the long And that's why I ask you, guys, 0:13:38.600 --> 0:13:41.559 the questions what is his long term future here? Well, 0:13:43.440 --> 0:13:46.839 m future here, but elsewhere around the league? To say 0:13:47.000 --> 0:13:50.199 how huge a year this is for him to prove 0:13:50.280 --> 0:13:54.040 that he can be a reliable player, whether he signs 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:57.080 long term here or elsewhere. I mean, I got a 0:13:57.080 --> 0:13:58.920 lot of money riding on this. Well I would like 0:13:59.000 --> 0:14:01.160 to I would like to love the player and put 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:03.040 my arms around him and say, yeah, let's give him 0:14:03.040 --> 0:14:05.080 a contract, Let's extend him. You know, let's do what 0:14:05.120 --> 0:14:07.240 we did for h you know, for some of the 0:14:07.280 --> 0:14:10.079 players over your buried church, those guys, you know, you 0:14:10.200 --> 0:14:13.200 give them the Lord's give them an extension and they 0:14:13.240 --> 0:14:15.199 get some money and they're like, you know, it's a 0:14:15.240 --> 0:14:17.400 twelve million dollar deal, and you're like, you're feeling good 0:14:17.400 --> 0:14:20.360 about it. But they didn't even go that route. And 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:22.640 I mean there was there was more I was. I 0:14:22.720 --> 0:14:26.520 was more surprised that they extended or gave Byron Jones 0:14:26.600 --> 0:14:31.040 the extra year than I was with David Irving. That's 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:32.600 just kind of feeling it and they're not gonna They're 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:34.360 not gonna do anything with David. And that's the crazy 0:14:34.400 --> 0:14:37.480 thing about it is he'll tell you, like, I know 0:14:37.600 --> 0:14:40.120 I've done some things off the field, like in college 0:14:40.120 --> 0:14:42.520 and my history, like I know why I don't have 0:14:42.560 --> 0:14:45.000 a long term deal right now. So yeah, it's totally 0:14:45.000 --> 0:14:47.040 in his court to show it. And I loved your 0:14:47.040 --> 0:14:50.200 comparison Mick last week about leon Lett. Just so much 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:53.960 potential and a lot of it's untapped. Because standpoint, did 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:57.960 leon Lett have off field problems? Well, he got suspended, Okay, 0:14:58.000 --> 0:15:00.760 I mean I wasn't Crevity team. That was after his 0:15:01.120 --> 0:15:05.240 on field problems at the Thanksgiving Day game. Yeah and that, 0:15:05.360 --> 0:15:07.720 but but he got suspended, and it seemed like every 0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:10.000 time he was ready to break through and become a 0:15:10.040 --> 0:15:12.760 full time starter, he's got something happy got hurt. It 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:16.560 was a knee, his shoulder, whatever, and then the suspension 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:21.040 and he you know, because he got suspended in ninety six, 0:15:21.280 --> 0:15:24.800 the same time Michael was suspended the beginning of that season, 0:15:25.920 --> 0:15:29.360 which you know, thinks that year kind of started going 0:15:29.440 --> 0:15:34.920 downhill and then crashed in ninety seven. Uh So yeah. Um, 0:15:35.120 --> 0:15:37.080 you know, it's a shame. I don't you know what, 0:15:37.440 --> 0:15:40.640 I'm not even sure. I think David Irvin wanted to 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:43.440 be here, and I'd think if somebody had signed or 0:15:43.520 --> 0:15:45.520 tried to sign him to an offer sheet, I'm not 0:15:45.560 --> 0:15:47.720 sure that he would have signed it because I think 0:15:47.720 --> 0:15:52.200 he knew about that. Yeah, yeah, no be here. No, 0:15:52.480 --> 0:15:56.320 you're absolute, he felt. So they took they took a chance, 0:15:56.360 --> 0:15:58.400 but I think it was a calculated chance with that 0:15:58.600 --> 0:16:03.120 second round tender. And you mentioned or alluded to Randy Gregory, Yes, 0:16:03.160 --> 0:16:06.680 I did, he tweeted on his Twitter. He tweeted a 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:09.760 picture of an apple with there are three exclamation points 0:16:09.840 --> 0:16:13.240 last night, and very quickly the media jumped on that 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:18.040 too and reported that he would be meeting with the commissioners. Yeah. 0:16:18.040 --> 0:16:20.160 I think he was the source for that. As soon 0:16:20.160 --> 0:16:22.960 as I saw an apple on his Twitter, I said, up, 0:16:23.240 --> 0:16:26.120 he's in New York. And you know that's that's the 0:16:26.160 --> 0:16:29.840 first step to petition to get reinstated. But it doesn't 0:16:29.880 --> 0:16:32.720 mean you're getting reinstated. It's part of the process. Yeah, 0:16:32.800 --> 0:16:35.840 And it's like the first step because now you're presenting 0:16:35.880 --> 0:16:39.360 your case and they have the right for what forty 0:16:39.400 --> 0:16:42.760 five days, sixty days to examine this whole thing. And 0:16:42.800 --> 0:16:45.200 it's not just him saying Okay, I'm ready to play 0:16:45.240 --> 0:16:47.960 and they go okay, have at it. You know, they're 0:16:47.960 --> 0:16:50.880 gonna go through all the medical experts. They're gonna go 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:53.480 through He's gonna have to show him paperwork on all 0:16:53.520 --> 0:16:58.280 the tests that he's passed from a ur analysis. So 0:16:58.400 --> 0:17:02.359 it's it's a it's a long process before they say okay, 0:17:02.600 --> 0:17:06.280 uh or they say nah, you still need some treatment. 0:17:08.119 --> 0:17:12.360 So don't don't like make your plans that he's starting 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:15.359 at right defensive end. It would be nice to see him. 0:17:15.400 --> 0:17:17.600 I mean, I think that's great. That's the only spot 0:17:17.600 --> 0:17:19.760 I think he could play. Yeah, you know, I mean 0:17:20.000 --> 0:17:21.959 we had a we had a male bad question this 0:17:22.000 --> 0:17:24.679 morning on Dallas Cowboys dot Com about that, And you know, 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:27.359 where where does he fit in? Is he? You know? 0:17:27.480 --> 0:17:30.200 I mean you can't really rely on Tapper. We've we've 0:17:30.200 --> 0:17:33.160 talked about Armstrong as being a draft pick that's kind 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:35.879 of come in. Crawford's going to start at the right end, 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:38.640 But where does Randy Gregory fit in? You know? And 0:17:38.800 --> 0:17:40.840 the one time when he was back in the practice, 0:17:40.880 --> 0:17:42.920 I mean, it looked like that you know, hey, this 0:17:43.119 --> 0:17:45.280 Randy Gregory. You know, there's a guy that's a was 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:47.600 a capable top ten pick and you're and a half, 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:50.080 you're you know, yeah, and then now he's you know, 0:17:50.320 --> 0:17:53.320 but I don't know, there's there's It could be a 0:17:53.400 --> 0:17:56.800 really really good group of defensive lineman. But there's so 0:17:56.840 --> 0:17:59.920 many questions, you know, that would bother me going into 0:18:00.320 --> 0:18:03.280 going into you know, the offseason. Well, what the one 0:18:03.400 --> 0:18:06.720 month you have to get your breath that, like, Okay, 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:09.480 did I do enough at this defensive end to help myself? 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:11.960 You got more questions there? I got more, Well, the 0:18:11.960 --> 0:18:15.199 whole defensive line, don't start on that. I'm sitting on 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:19.560 a fishing boat thinking about those wider receives yesterday. I don't, 0:18:19.640 --> 0:18:22.440 I don't, I don't know. Where's your gut feeling well 0:18:22.600 --> 0:18:24.879 talking about the receivers? They were asking, you know, and 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:26.680 I don't know what. I'm sorry, Mickey, I didn't see 0:18:26.680 --> 0:18:29.240 what your wide receivers? Did you? Yeah? Well, then Mickey 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:31.159 and I went in the same route. I mean, what 0:18:31.200 --> 0:18:33.880 are you gonna look at? I'm trying to figure out, 0:18:34.040 --> 0:18:37.840 not who's gonna make this team? Give me some give 0:18:37.880 --> 0:18:41.480 me some reason to say Okay, you're number one, you're 0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:44.719 number two, you're number three, you're number four. Give me 0:18:44.760 --> 0:18:48.400 some reason instead of saying, okay, wait, you're the seventh guy, 0:18:48.480 --> 0:18:50.520 and you're playing like the seventh guy, but you should 0:18:50.560 --> 0:18:52.679 be the fourth guy. You know, I just would like 0:18:52.720 --> 0:18:57.000 to see two or three guys step up to say, Okay, 0:18:57.040 --> 0:19:00.840 now I've got five guys that I feel decent about. 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:04.720 I feel decent about Beasley, I feel decent about h 0:19:04.920 --> 0:19:08.200 you know about Gallup, We'll see about Hearns, We'll see 0:19:08.200 --> 0:19:10.720 about Thompson, we'll see about you know. There's a lot 0:19:10.760 --> 0:19:13.400 of round Yeah, well there's a lot of we'll see abouts. 0:19:13.640 --> 0:19:16.280 And I wish, I wish five guys these next three 0:19:16.359 --> 0:19:19.040 days would kind of show up and say, all right, 0:19:19.080 --> 0:19:21.600 these are the guys that are battling. Instead of twelve 0:19:21.640 --> 0:19:25.040 guys battling for spots, give me five guys that I 0:19:25.040 --> 0:19:26.879 could kind of feel good about it. Maybe one or 0:19:26.920 --> 0:19:29.359 two guys that could battle for a sixth spot if 0:19:29.400 --> 0:19:31.760 they carry that sixth receiver. And I you know, you 0:19:31.840 --> 0:19:35.000 mentioned twelve guys. Yeah, I could make a case for 0:19:35.920 --> 0:19:39.639 ten of them potentially having a chance to make the 0:19:39.720 --> 0:19:46.080 roster nine probably, and then It's like what you said, Okay, 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:49.359 can I pick six? Am I gonna have to keep seven? Maybe? 0:19:49.400 --> 0:19:53.199 Because I don't know? Boy, that's the problem. And you 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:57.639 know what's Tavon Austin. You know. So my point on 0:19:57.760 --> 0:20:01.280 my deal was, Okay, Nami the top three right now? 0:20:02.320 --> 0:20:05.600 And and and I'll give you just because probably out 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:10.000 of necessity, Hearns is one of them. Sure, But to 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:12.680 Beasley to me, yeah, I agree on that. Now, who's 0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:14.960 the third guy? Well, I would say, Gallop? Are you 0:20:15.000 --> 0:20:17.040 including Terrence will Yeah, well he's got to be in 0:20:17.080 --> 0:20:18.800 the contention. No, And I mean that's what I'm saying 0:20:18.920 --> 0:20:22.520 is is Williams. Is Gallop gonna be in the training 0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:26.439 camp as Beasley, as as Williams gets healthy, is Gallop 0:20:26.440 --> 0:20:28.240 going to show enough where they're gonna say, you know what, 0:20:28.520 --> 0:20:30.639 let's just throw him out there. Let's throw him out 0:20:30.640 --> 0:20:32.639 there and play. And you know they've done that before 0:20:32.680 --> 0:20:34.560 with some of these young guys. We saw it with 0:20:34.600 --> 0:20:36.920 the cornerback spot. Yeah, they said, you know what, let's 0:20:36.960 --> 0:20:38.680 move on, let's go ahead and see how these young 0:20:38.720 --> 0:20:41.439 guys play and seek or swim with that. So I 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:44.800 think there's some questions about you know, Williams and and 0:20:44.840 --> 0:20:48.439 really you know, overall, I mean I hate to say that, 0:20:48.480 --> 0:20:51.160 but because he's got the most experience. See that's that's 0:20:51.160 --> 0:20:53.680 why I'm like, oh, people would say, oh, it's part 0:20:53.720 --> 0:20:56.840 it's time part ways with him, because yeah, I mean, 0:20:56.880 --> 0:20:59.040 at least you leave, you take him away. And now 0:20:59.040 --> 0:21:02.240 it's Cole Beasley, a whole new set for Dak Prescott. 0:21:02.280 --> 0:21:05.879 They're gonna give Noah Brown every opportunity. Also, and the 0:21:06.000 --> 0:21:09.159 interview that you did with Keith O'Quinn on the Blood, 0:21:10.280 --> 0:21:13.679