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Speaker 1: the Star in Frisco. Elliot, flowing to the goal line,
Speaker 1: saw that here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brons, Rob Phillips,
Speaker 1: and Bill Jones. Whoa, Bill, whoa? I got my name
Speaker 1: on it? How about that? You gotta start off right?
Speaker 1: All right? We are updated, and it is Tuesday, June twelfth,
Speaker 1: two thy eighteen, and this is the day we've all
Speaker 1: been waiting for. It's the first day of Cowboys Mini Camp,
Speaker 1: one of the most important meetings in the world going
Speaker 1: on right now as we discuss what's going on with
Speaker 1: the Cowboys. I thought he was gonna say the return
Speaker 1: of Bill Joe. I was gonna say, this is your
Speaker 1: first show back in like twelve years. It is feel
Speaker 1: feeling different than the first time you did. There are
Speaker 1: bright lights in here, yeah, but the lights are much
Speaker 1: brighter here at the Star than they were at the ranch,
Speaker 1: right making do you realize that three of the four
Speaker 1: here or on the original row now? And I was
Speaker 1: trying to remember when the original to the big table.
Speaker 1: That's right. I know you guys. Did you guys have
Speaker 1: him like at the kids card table at the Thanksgiving meal? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Adding there was the show Yeah, I remember the show guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so was that two thousand and four? Yes, okay, two
Speaker 1: thousand and four. It was the old Cowboys channel which
Speaker 1: was on Comcast Cable watched you guys, which was so
Speaker 1: I knew That's what I knew. Rob was at the
Speaker 1: card table because I've told that story. There's no no
Speaker 1: I was. I was working at the team and then yeah,
Speaker 1: but we we I saw you what you're doing. Okay,
Speaker 1: you kept these guys in line. I tried. It was
Speaker 1: like an adult table and there was enough room for
Speaker 1: everybody else. We're saying, okay, Thanksgiving you okay. The table
Speaker 1: sort of like this one, yeah, which was a TV
Speaker 1: studio table. And then Rob was And how old were
Speaker 1: you at the time there, Rob, I was right out
Speaker 1: of college three so he had just graduated from internship
Speaker 1: maybe yes, And I was still on it. You still
Speaker 1: on it? Yeah? And so you were like at a
Speaker 1: school desk, one of those first grade desks exactly. You've
Speaker 1: seen Billy Madison, the movie that was me back in
Speaker 1: third grade and Rob was in charge of Slippy's class.
Speaker 1: Rob was in charge of emails, long before social media.
Speaker 1: I know we didn't have tweets back then, didn't we.
Speaker 1: You guys have got hammerd then if that was the face, right,
Speaker 1: and this is how old school that show was. Y'all
Speaker 1: had Tony Romo on as an in studio guest that
Speaker 1: oh fourth season, and he was just a backup quarterback,
Speaker 1: just kind of spinning things. He was so glim then. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he wasn't would have thought that he would turn into
Speaker 1: the quarterback he was going to be and then be
Speaker 1: reserved in all of his interviews and then will and behold.
Speaker 1: He went back to two thousand and four when he
Speaker 1: got on CBS last fall and he was glib again.
Speaker 1: He was he was Was he in the backup that
Speaker 1: year or was there somebody else? And he was thir Henson.
Speaker 1: Henson was a backup, He was the he was the
Speaker 1: third guy because Testaverdi. Yeah wow, So anyway, but enough
Speaker 1: about two thousand and four. It's good to have you back.
Speaker 1: That's great to be back. Yeah, it's great to be back.
Speaker 1: Looking forward to this and there's so much to get
Speaker 1: into By the way, Brian, I loved your I've got
Speaker 1: it written down here. Check it out on Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: dot com. The top ten surprises of the offseason. I'd
Speaker 1: like to get into that a little bit. But how
Speaker 1: about we get into the news of the day to
Speaker 1: start things off as we get set for the Cowboys
Speaker 1: to hit the practice field for the first of three
Speaker 1: days of this mini camp course a mandatory mini caamp.
Speaker 1: Didn't they take basically six weeks off and start training.
Speaker 1: And I'm with you, Brian, I'm not into that. No,
Speaker 1: And I know we can get into it another time,
Speaker 1: but I just don't like the fact you're giving the
Speaker 1: players six weeks off and hey, some of them every
Speaker 1: team does. Yeah, and just okay, give it to him
Speaker 1: and I wrote this and a good feeling last night.
Speaker 1: Give it to him on the on the front end.
Speaker 1: Let him have four weeks off, you know, after the season.
Speaker 1: Give them the other time early and then if you
Speaker 1: want to have these mini camps the OTAs at the
Speaker 1: very end a week or two before training camps start.
Speaker 1: I think that's just so much more productive in a
Speaker 1: way of helping your team potentially avoid those soft tissue
Speaker 1: injuries that seem to be the buzzword when we all
Speaker 1: get to Oxnard. You can blame it on the NFLPA.
Speaker 1: Those were the things that they were, you know, trying
Speaker 1: to angle for when they came up with the new CBA,
Speaker 1: retaining the physical conditioning and even retaining the mental reps that, yeah,
Speaker 1: you are having structure for a period of time when
Speaker 1: you're going to give a bunch of young guys six
Speaker 1: weeks with how much basis nothing to do. Just hold
Speaker 1: your breath or see fireworks in Frisco. Okay, Zach Martin
Speaker 1: is about to become, if he hasn't already become, a
Speaker 1: very very rich man. Yeah. Yes, My understanding was last
Speaker 1: night that the only thing that needed to be done
Speaker 1: was dot the eyes and crossed the teas, and they
Speaker 1: were quite hopeful that he would be out here, signed
Speaker 1: and take part in the mini camp. And a couple
Speaker 1: hours before that, whatever updates you got, which I'm sure
Speaker 1: it was very valid, they were just dealing with some
Speaker 1: language things, a couple of minor things. The structure of
Speaker 1: the deal sounded like it was pretty much in place.
Speaker 1: So will we should be done? Highest paid guard in
Speaker 1: the league, and not only in the league, but in
Speaker 1: the history of the league. So that means right now
Speaker 1: the highest paid is sixty five million, so he's probably
Speaker 1: getting closer seven that's over five years, So then we're
Speaker 1: looking at probably six years over eighty million dollars. Yeahsion years.
Speaker 1: Quite an investment in your offensive one expensive o line. Yeah.
Speaker 1: But the one thing about that we've learned is paying
Speaker 1: these offensive lineman has not been bad business for them.
Speaker 1: You know, there's some people that have paid positions. You
Speaker 1: can think about what's going on with the Giants with
Speaker 1: Olivier Vernon, and you know there's some people that have
Speaker 1: gotten paid and might have one year, maybe one and
Speaker 1: a half, really good years. But the Cowboys have been
Speaker 1: pretty consistent about that offensive line and that's and that's
Speaker 1: been good business for them to say, Okay, Tyrn Smith,
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick gave Lyle Collins a little bump up in
Speaker 1: what he was doing. You know, try to add some
Speaker 1: years to that. So, uh, having Zach Martin locked up
Speaker 1: for and you go through I mean, if you count
Speaker 1: the years, I'm terrible in math because I'm with school
Speaker 1: in Louisiana, But you know, it's like, you know, exactly
Speaker 1: think about twenty twenty two, twenty twenty three, twenty twenty four.
Speaker 1: They're keeping this offensive line. And what I've learned over
Speaker 1: the years this that offensive lineman. The older they get,
Speaker 1: the better they get. You know, once you learn how
Speaker 1: to whole trip and clip, you know, you know, you
Speaker 1: become pretty You become pretty good. You can play into
Speaker 1: your thirties, thirty five years old, thirty six years old,
Speaker 1: and still be effective doing it. So not a bad
Speaker 1: way of going about it. If you're going to sign guy,
Speaker 1: and if you look at it just in a vacuum,
Speaker 1: just him, he might be the best player on your
Speaker 1: football team pound for pound. He doesn't miss games either.
Speaker 1: And Travis Frederick's another guy. Lal Collins played through some stuff.
Speaker 1: Tyrn's the only one of the big contract guys that's
Speaker 1: that's missed some time. But overall it's a really durable group.
Speaker 1: So essentially you've got debating there. You've got locked up
Speaker 1: basically four first round picks because Lal Collins would have
Speaker 1: been a first round pick. So you got four guys,
Speaker 1: and if Connor Williams comes through for you as a
Speaker 1: second you've made investment, yeah in that in that offensive line,
Speaker 1: and um, that kind of at least somewhat solidifies your
Speaker 1: offense that you're assured of number one, protecting your quarterback
Speaker 1: in number two, having a running game that you can
Speaker 1: rely on. Plus you feel better about it because of
Speaker 1: the swing tackle situation right now. And that's the key
Speaker 1: thing with Connor Williams, right because if he earns that
Speaker 1: starting spot at guard, no one has to move. Lele
Speaker 1: Collins stays out there, Cameron Fleming becomes. The draft Guards
Speaker 1: threw him a break when they when Connor Williams was
Speaker 1: there because that there were still some questions and we
Speaker 1: talked about it a bunch. Hey, you know, he even said,
Speaker 1: I don't want to move. I really don't want to move.
Speaker 1: I want to stay where I'm at the right tackle.
Speaker 1: I'm talking about Lyle Collins. And you know the fact
Speaker 1: that Connor Williams was there, a lot of people including myself,
Speaker 1: thought Connor Williams was going to get picked by the
Speaker 1: Saints at twenty nine. And the fact that he lasted
Speaker 1: all the way to fifty I think is the draft
Speaker 1: Guards threw him a huge gift there to solidify that
Speaker 1: offensive line even more. By the way, Lyle Collins number
Speaker 1: two on Brian brought us list of top ten offseason surprises.
Speaker 1: What he's done at right tackle him not bad, not bad.
Speaker 1: He brought up an interesting point last week too, By
Speaker 1: the way, they got four guys and they're starting five.
Speaker 1: They can play left tackle if you need to. I mean,
Speaker 1: the diversatility is really amazing. Just crippled him last year though, Well,
Speaker 1: well they didn't have somebody that could play left tackle.
Speaker 1: They don't. They want to keep guys in and so yeah,
Speaker 1: you're relying on now, can Cameron Fleming be that guy?
Speaker 1: But three of those guys wind up playing left tackle,
Speaker 1: then you got real problems on the offensive line. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's true. If if if you're tune a position where
Speaker 1: Zach Martin's got to go out and play left tackle,
Speaker 1: then that means that things have really gone crazy. Yet
Speaker 1: you're right, You're absolutely right. I do think it speaks
Speaker 1: to just the talent level, because that means those guys
Speaker 1: were the best players on their lines in college, Zach Martin,
Speaker 1: Connor Williams. So yeah, they're amassing a lot of talent
Speaker 1: for sure. All Right, David Irving on the premises, we
Speaker 1: hear I've heard that he is, Yes, Okay, so we'll
Speaker 1: see how that all plays out forget him anything or
Speaker 1: if you thought he was in New York? No, oh no,
Speaker 1: that's I got my defensive ends. Yeah, right, trouble you know,
Speaker 1: I'll love them all together. Right, what's the what? What's
Speaker 1: the if we crystal ball this? What's gonna be the
Speaker 1: end story for David? For Randy Randy David, it's gonna
Speaker 1: be Yeah, what's gonna be the in story for him? Though?
Speaker 1: The story? The d story? What do we what do
Speaker 1: we What are we expecting? What do we think? What
Speaker 1: do we I mean? What do you think they're thinking?
Speaker 1: I think they're thinking that there's with his history and
Speaker 1: kind of what's been going on with his personal life,
Speaker 1: um that they're stin ice there. I just test away
Speaker 1: from they're very hopeful. I don't think they're worried about
Speaker 1: that part. I think they're worried about his personal life.
Speaker 1: Not not for a drug standpoint. Remember whatever he tested
Speaker 1: posit for, it was a performance enhanced absolutely yeah, and
Speaker 1: supposedly taking a substance that he didn't realize was was
Speaker 1: not sanctioned. So from that point, I don't know they
Speaker 1: worry about it. But it's the other part of his
Speaker 1: family life that he's got to get in order and
Speaker 1: not let that get in the way of playing football.
Speaker 1: And I think that's why they gave him this leeway
Speaker 1: during OTAs to say, hey, get it straight, get it
Speaker 1: taken care of the best you can, and then let's
Speaker 1: go play football. But it's not just that, right, it's
Speaker 1: also the football side getting in shape, getting in condition.
Speaker 1: And if he's here, I don't know what he would
Speaker 1: do at mini camp after not participating in the OTAs.
Speaker 1: He could be here avoid getting fined. He's trying to
Speaker 1: save himself eighty six Brown. So now the question is
Speaker 1: six you mentioned six weeks still camp. What can he
Speaker 1: do basically on his own to get in shape. So
Speaker 1: you're not spending training camp getting in shape as a player,
Speaker 1: would you rather be out on the practice field or
Speaker 1: on the side with Britt Brown? Practice field? Practice field?
Speaker 1: You get like five reps and then you go stand
Speaker 1: and while everybody else gets five and then the rest
Speaker 1: of it it's a hard or three days if Brown, Yeah,
Speaker 1: for sure he had all the reps with Britt You
Speaker 1: know you were, but you were you were hopeful that
Speaker 1: and again it was wasted three weeks for David Irby.
Speaker 1: If he gets his life in order, you know, with
Speaker 1: his family. That's really the most important thing. That's what
Speaker 1: you really look forward to. But as far as his
Speaker 1: football life, he wasted three weeks, you know, he wasted
Speaker 1: time on the practice field. He you know, he hasn't
Speaker 1: played a full season since he's been here, and only
Speaker 1: eight games last year and last year, and he had
Speaker 1: the concussion at the end of the year, and there
Speaker 1: were questions about that. I mean not the questions if
Speaker 1: he had a concussion, but wow, when did it happen?
Speaker 1: You know, what was he doing? You know, all that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. But yeah, I think that for someone
Speaker 1: that is so talented, I've never seen so many questions
Speaker 1: about a player, you know, such an opportunity. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: you're thinking like okay, and everybody was like, going, well,
Speaker 1: you if you tender him that second round, he's gone.
Speaker 1: And I'm thinking, no, he's not, because football people are
Speaker 1: looking at him and going, when has he really ever
Speaker 1: done it? You know when I mean, when has he
Speaker 1: done it with any consistency? They could have done the
Speaker 1: first round tender and they didn't. Yeah, I mean they
Speaker 1: saved themselves. Why some money, I think, And that's again,
Speaker 1: you you're saving yourself. But that just shows you if
Speaker 1: they weren't willing to commit the first round tender to him,
Speaker 1: that they have their own questions about him and I
Speaker 1: and I the long And that's why I ask you, guys,
Speaker 1: the questions what is his long term future here? Well,
Speaker 1: m future here, but elsewhere around the league? To say
Speaker 1: how huge a year this is for him to prove
Speaker 1: that he can be a reliable player, whether he signs
Speaker 1: long term here or elsewhere. I mean, I got a
Speaker 1: lot of money riding on this. Well I would like
Speaker 1: to I would like to love the player and put
Speaker 1: my arms around him and say, yeah, let's give him
Speaker 1: a contract, Let's extend him. You know, let's do what
Speaker 1: we did for h you know, for some of the
Speaker 1: players over your buried church, those guys, you know, you
Speaker 1: give them the Lord's give them an extension and they
Speaker 1: get some money and they're like, you know, it's a
Speaker 1: twelve million dollar deal, and you're like, you're feeling good
Speaker 1: about it. But they didn't even go that route. And
Speaker 1: I mean there was there was more I was. I
Speaker 1: was more surprised that they extended or gave Byron Jones
Speaker 1: the extra year than I was with David Irving. That's
Speaker 1: just kind of feeling it and they're not gonna They're
Speaker 1: not gonna do anything with David. And that's the crazy
Speaker 1: thing about it is he'll tell you, like, I know
Speaker 1: I've done some things off the field, like in college
Speaker 1: and my history, like I know why I don't have
Speaker 1: a long term deal right now. So yeah, it's totally
Speaker 1: in his court to show it. And I loved your
Speaker 1: comparison Mick last week about leon Lett. Just so much
Speaker 1: potential and a lot of it's untapped. Because standpoint, did
Speaker 1: leon Lett have off field problems? Well, he got suspended, Okay,
Speaker 1: I mean I wasn't Crevity team. That was after his
Speaker 1: on field problems at the Thanksgiving Day game. Yeah and that,
Speaker 1: but but he got suspended, and it seemed like every
Speaker 1: time he was ready to break through and become a
Speaker 1: full time starter, he's got something happy got hurt. It
Speaker 1: was a knee, his shoulder, whatever, and then the suspension
Speaker 1: and he you know, because he got suspended in ninety six,
Speaker 1: the same time Michael was suspended the beginning of that season,
Speaker 1: which you know, thinks that year kind of started going
Speaker 1: downhill and then crashed in ninety seven. Uh So yeah. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, it's a shame. I don't you know what,
Speaker 1: I'm not even sure. I think David Irvin wanted to
Speaker 1: be here, and I'd think if somebody had signed or
Speaker 1: tried to sign him to an offer sheet, I'm not
Speaker 1: sure that he would have signed it because I think
Speaker 1: he knew about that. Yeah, yeah, no be here. No,
Speaker 1: you're absolute, he felt. So they took they took a chance,
Speaker 1: but I think it was a calculated chance with that
Speaker 1: second round tender. And you mentioned or alluded to Randy Gregory, Yes,
Speaker 1: I did, he tweeted on his Twitter. He tweeted a
Speaker 1: picture of an apple with there are three exclamation points
Speaker 1: last night, and very quickly the media jumped on that
Speaker 1: too and reported that he would be meeting with the commissioners. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think he was the source for that. As soon
Speaker 1: as I saw an apple on his Twitter, I said, up,
Speaker 1: he's in New York. And you know that's that's the
Speaker 1: first step to petition to get reinstated. But it doesn't
Speaker 1: mean you're getting reinstated. It's part of the process. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it's like the first step because now you're presenting
Speaker 1: your case and they have the right for what forty
Speaker 1: five days, sixty days to examine this whole thing. And
Speaker 1: it's not just him saying Okay, I'm ready to play
Speaker 1: and they go okay, have at it. You know, they're
Speaker 1: gonna go through all the medical experts. They're gonna go
Speaker 1: through He's gonna have to show him paperwork on all
Speaker 1: the tests that he's passed from a ur analysis. So
Speaker 1: it's it's a it's a long process before they say okay,
Speaker 1: uh or they say nah, you still need some treatment.
Speaker 1: So don't don't like make your plans that he's starting
Speaker 1: at right defensive end. It would be nice to see him.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's great. That's the only spot
Speaker 1: I think he could play. Yeah, you know, I mean
Speaker 1: we had a we had a male bad question this
Speaker 1: morning on Dallas Cowboys dot Com about that, And you know,
Speaker 1: where where does he fit in? Is he? You know?
Speaker 1: I mean you can't really rely on Tapper. We've we've
Speaker 1: talked about Armstrong as being a draft pick that's kind
Speaker 1: of come in. Crawford's going to start at the right end,
Speaker 1: But where does Randy Gregory fit in? You know? And
Speaker 1: the one time when he was back in the practice,
Speaker 1: I mean, it looked like that you know, hey, this
Speaker 1: Randy Gregory. You know, there's a guy that's a was
Speaker 1: a capable top ten pick and you're and a half,
Speaker 1: you're you know, yeah, and then now he's you know,
Speaker 1: but I don't know, there's there's It could be a
Speaker 1: really really good group of defensive lineman. But there's so
Speaker 1: many questions, you know, that would bother me going into
Speaker 1: going into you know, the offseason. Well, what the one
Speaker 1: month you have to get your breath that, like, Okay,
Speaker 1: did I do enough at this defensive end to help myself?
Speaker 1: You got more questions there? I got more, Well, the
Speaker 1: whole defensive line, don't start on that. I'm sitting on
Speaker 1: a fishing boat thinking about those wider receives yesterday. I don't,
Speaker 1: I don't, I don't know. Where's your gut feeling well
Speaker 1: talking about the receivers? They were asking, you know, and
Speaker 1: I don't know what. I'm sorry, Mickey, I didn't see
Speaker 1: what your wide receivers? Did you? Yeah? Well, then Mickey
Speaker 1: and I went in the same route. I mean, what
Speaker 1: are you gonna look at? I'm trying to figure out,
Speaker 1: not who's gonna make this team? Give me some give
Speaker 1: me some reason to say Okay, you're number one, you're
Speaker 1: number two, you're number three, you're number four. Give me
Speaker 1: some reason instead of saying, okay, wait, you're the seventh guy,
Speaker 1: and you're playing like the seventh guy, but you should
Speaker 1: be the fourth guy. You know, I just would like
Speaker 1: to see two or three guys step up to say, Okay,
Speaker 1: now I've got five guys that I feel decent about.
Speaker 1: I feel decent about Beasley, I feel decent about h
Speaker 1: you know about Gallup, We'll see about Hearns, We'll see
Speaker 1: about Thompson, we'll see about you know. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of round Yeah, well there's a lot of we'll see abouts.
Speaker 1: And I wish, I wish five guys these next three
Speaker 1: days would kind of show up and say, all right,
Speaker 1: these are the guys that are battling. Instead of twelve
Speaker 1: guys battling for spots, give me five guys that I
Speaker 1: could kind of feel good about it. Maybe one or
Speaker 1: two guys that could battle for a sixth spot if
Speaker 1: they carry that sixth receiver. And I you know, you
Speaker 1: mentioned twelve guys. Yeah, I could make a case for
Speaker 1: ten of them potentially having a chance to make the
Speaker 1: roster nine probably, and then It's like what you said, Okay,
Speaker 1: can I pick six? Am I gonna have to keep seven? Maybe?
Speaker 1: Because I don't know? Boy, that's the problem. And you
Speaker 1: know what's Tavon Austin. You know. So my point on
Speaker 1: my deal was, Okay, Nami the top three right now?
Speaker 1: And and and I'll give you just because probably out
Speaker 1: of necessity, Hearns is one of them. Sure, But to
Speaker 1: Beasley to me, yeah, I agree on that. Now, who's
Speaker 1: the third guy? Well, I would say, Gallop? Are you
Speaker 1: including Terrence will Yeah, well he's got to be in
Speaker 1: the contention. No, And I mean that's what I'm saying
Speaker 1: is is Williams. Is Gallop gonna be in the training
Speaker 1: camp as Beasley, as as Williams gets healthy, is Gallop
Speaker 1: going to show enough where they're gonna say, you know what,
Speaker 1: let's just throw him out there. Let's throw him out
Speaker 1: there and play. And you know they've done that before
Speaker 1: with some of these young guys. We saw it with
Speaker 1: the cornerback spot. Yeah, they said, you know what, let's
Speaker 1: move on, let's go ahead and see how these young
Speaker 1: guys play and seek or swim with that. So I
Speaker 1: think there's some questions about you know, Williams and and
Speaker 1: really you know, overall, I mean I hate to say that,
Speaker 1: but because he's got the most experience. See that's that's
Speaker 1: why I'm like, oh, people would say, oh, it's part
Speaker 1: it's time part ways with him, because yeah, I mean,
Speaker 1: at least you leave, you take him away. And now
Speaker 1: it's Cole Beasley, a whole new set for Dak Prescott.
Speaker 1: They're gonna give Noah Brown every opportunity. Also, and the
Speaker 1: interview that you did with Keith O'Quinn on the Blood,
Speaker 1: he mentioned his own mentioned Noah Brown as a special
Speaker 1: teams guy. When I heard that, I said, oh, there
Speaker 1: you go. And the other guy that has a special
Speaker 1: team edge is Deonte Thompson. Absolutely, and he's got that
Speaker 1: speed edge that you know we haven't seen. And that's true.
Speaker 1: You know when when Keith told me go google him, Yeah,
Speaker 1: go google his touchdown returns and he went one hundred
Speaker 1: and eight yards against the Cowboys in preseason I think
Speaker 1: it was twenty thirteen, and then last year he went
Speaker 1: one hundred and nine and three quarters yards against Arizona.
Speaker 1: When they came up short on a sixty three yard
Speaker 1: field goal, he was almost out of bounds and he
Speaker 1: took it to the house. The one against the Cowboys
Speaker 1: took twelve seconds, twelve seconds, one hundred eight yards. They
Speaker 1: ain't got speed like that on this team. No, that's true.
Speaker 1: What's the world record for a hundred Yeah, one hundred
Speaker 1: and eight yards? I don't know. That was in the
Speaker 1: mail the other day when Yeah, she was hauling the mail. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's been a while since I've been in this position.
Speaker 1: Do we take breaks or what? Yeah? We do at
Speaker 1: twenty twenty into the show, So where are we now?
Speaker 1: We're a little late nine. Yeah, like maybe now, so
Speaker 1: we want to do it now? Yeah? What am I
Speaker 1: officially supposed to say when we go to break? That
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Speaker 1: so holdouts here and he holdouts here that we can
Speaker 1: think of. No, I mean everyone we've We've said, David Irving,
Speaker 1: we're supposedly is on campus. There is a holdout in Seattle.
Speaker 1: Oh oh boy, Tae Pill's good at this? Isn't I
Speaker 1: didn't know where he was going and all of a
Speaker 1: sudden steering it right on the roads Thomas Podcast. You're
Speaker 1: hold out in Seattle until he gets his contract resolved,
Speaker 1: which brings us to this Cowboys secondary and more specifically
Speaker 1: the safety position. You know what this is gonna sound
Speaker 1: crazy if you're willing to do two fifty in this draft,
Speaker 1: second second pick, you know, second round pick number fifty,
Speaker 1: You're willing to do it until Connor Williams showed up
Speaker 1: all from your second round pick. Again, let's get this done.
Speaker 1: Let's figure this out. If you you know, you obviously
Speaker 1: you got the hap space next year to do it.
Speaker 1: You know I think that, do you? Though? Yeah? You do?
Speaker 1: What's seven million dollars? What's your quarterback making next year? Well,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. I'm gonna I'm gonna watch your
Speaker 1: running back making the next year. You know what I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: I'm playing to try and win this thing. How much
Speaker 1: are you willing to pay him, because it's not about
Speaker 1: the second million dollars. That's right, Eric Berry making thirteen
Speaker 1: million dollars, I'm going I'll go over thirteen million dollars
Speaker 1: for him. I think this guy can play. I think
Speaker 1: he can help you for three years. I think you
Speaker 1: can guarantee his contract, you can structure it in a way.
Speaker 1: I'm paying this guy. He's gonna help a young secondary.
Speaker 1: He's gonna give you leadership, he's gonna give you playmaking ability,
Speaker 1: he's going to create turnovers. I watched him. I watched
Speaker 1: him the other day part of my series of the Opponents,
Speaker 1: and I'm convinced that if if if Connor Williams was
Speaker 1: not there at fifty, that they would have made that trade.
Speaker 1: I'm convinced to that. And so if you're willing to
Speaker 1: do that this draft, go ahead and do it again.
Speaker 1: Because he's not now. You can wait, you can wait
Speaker 1: him out. You know, you could wait him out next
Speaker 1: year and Seattle could hold on to him and you
Speaker 1: could try and sign him as a free agent. But
Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna try and win right now. But that's
Speaker 1: that's the crux of the matter. I think winning right now. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: And I think there's a school of thought out I'm
Speaker 1: gonna win with a young with a non paying quarterback
Speaker 1: and a non paying running But there's a school of
Speaker 1: thought out there that since you let Dez Bryant go,
Speaker 1: since Jason Witten's retired, that this team right now is
Speaker 1: not in a position too. It would be a shocker
Speaker 1: for them to go all the way and their rosters,
Speaker 1: their roster is just as good as Philadelphia. Why would
Speaker 1: you give up a second round pick? Wow? Dallas roster, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's just as good as Philadelphia's roster. Wow? Absolutely? Why
Speaker 1: would youive? Why would you give up a second round pick?
Speaker 1: Because I was willing to do. I'm going to get
Speaker 1: this thing done. I'm not gonna haggle anymore. I mean,
Speaker 1: they obviously said they didn't want my my third round pick.
Speaker 1: They didn't. I mean, you try to trade him sixty
Speaker 1: seven or whatever whatever that pick was, and they said no.
Speaker 1: Do you think so? You don't have him over a barrel?
Speaker 1: Right now? There's third no whether they're gonna do just
Speaker 1: let him sit. No, they're gonna let him play because
Speaker 1: what's going to happen is players never put leave money
Speaker 1: on the table once they start the season. He is
Speaker 1: not leaving ten million dollars on the table. How he's
Speaker 1: not going to do that on principle, How important is
Speaker 1: it if you were, if you were able to work
Speaker 1: out a deal, How important is it to get him
Speaker 1: here as early as possible where he's there at the
Speaker 1: start of training. Well, obviously, obviously he is. He knows
Speaker 1: Chris Rashard, he knows the system, he knows what's what's
Speaker 1: going to be done. He's been through this. He's a
Speaker 1: veteran player, and not from his standpoint, but as far
Speaker 1: as his effect on the right, you're gonna get, You're
Speaker 1: gonna get his best three years is what you're gonna get,
Speaker 1: in my opinion. Are you sure absolutely? Twenty nine years old,
Speaker 1: I'm absolutely sure. And he's been hurt. I'm absolutely sure
Speaker 1: that Mickey and he didn't have as many interceptions as
Speaker 1: Jeff Heath. I'll tell you what I'm not. I'm talking
Speaker 1: about a guy that's a true free safety in the
Speaker 1: National Football League, that gets to the football, can create
Speaker 1: eight turnovers. Is a leader you know in a young secondary,
Speaker 1: can teach guys how to play football, how to play
Speaker 1: the game. He could get the message of Chris Rostrado
Speaker 1: across go make this happen. Okay, let me ask you,
Speaker 1: without Earl Thomas, does this team have a shot at
Speaker 1: contending for a Super Bowl? I think you asked that
Speaker 1: question earlier, and I'm kind of with I don't know
Speaker 1: about Philly's roster, but I think I don't think this
Speaker 1: franchise feels like they're in rebuild mode in any way,
Speaker 1: because I think the Connor Williams pick to me, they
Speaker 1: look at it and they say, all right, we got
Speaker 1: our lineback stable. We're gonna run the ball, we're gonna
Speaker 1: play keep away, and we can win football games, just
Speaker 1: like we did for eight games last year before Zeke
Speaker 1: got The offense gets go and it helps the defense.
Speaker 1: We've talked about that one hundred different times in this
Speaker 1: they think they still got the formula. Yeah, So if
Speaker 1: that's all true about Earl Thomas, Yeah, then what's Seattle's
Speaker 1: problem with him? Seattle just doesn't want to pay him
Speaker 1: thirteen million dollars. They're in a reboot because they just
Speaker 1: don't want He's not going to help him and all
Speaker 1: the same things you just said. You know what he
Speaker 1: they if Earl Thomas has to play in Seattle this year.
Speaker 1: He will help them, no question about it. But they
Speaker 1: just don't want to extend his contract. I'm willing to
Speaker 1: take it on for my team. You could be skeptical
Speaker 1: all you want, because that's the way you operate, right.
Speaker 1: But I am. I'm to the point now where if
Speaker 1: I'm a head coach here and I'm realized I need
Speaker 1: to win football games, I'm getting as many quality players
Speaker 1: as I can here. I'm getting outstanding, elite type players
Speaker 1: in key positions. I don't know. I love it. No, No,
Speaker 1: you can help this defense. You put somebody you have.
Speaker 1: You have guys like you get. You get this defensive
Speaker 1: you get you get Laurence rushing well again. You get
Speaker 1: Sean Lee vander esh playing well. You get Jalen Smith
Speaker 1: without a brace playing better. Now, think about putting Earl
Speaker 1: Thomas at safety. If you want to play Jeff Heath
Speaker 1: next to him down in the box, that's great. Do that. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: they feel really good in a young secondary. Yeah, still
Speaker 1: play defense? Sure? Yeah? Yeah, I mean, Cheeto, I think
Speaker 1: there's this We're just wasting time. So the free safety
Speaker 1: is going to make all the difference. Absolutely on this defense.
Speaker 1: He would on this defense, he would don't be skeptical,
Speaker 1: dam get better players because it's too much money. It's
Speaker 1: not too much money. It's the it's mickey, this isn't
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty eight. We're not selling eighteen. We're not selling it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you just paid you pay the guards fourteen fifteen million dollars.
Speaker 1: I can't spending money like that on a free safety,
Speaker 1: your quarterback, your court. Have you ever seen a season
Speaker 1: and and you said, you know, darn it if I
Speaker 1: just had a if you were safety, yea, yeah. New
Speaker 1: Orleans their safety missed a frigging tackle right there there,
Speaker 1: safe room the entire season. You didn't lose eight games
Speaker 1: because you didn't have a good friend. They missed as
Speaker 1: free safety, missed a tackle in a game that costs
Speaker 1: New Orleans a chance to go to the NFC Championship game. Oh,
Speaker 1: I don't sha never play, Never tell me stay safety,
Speaker 1: Darren Woodson, he wasn't a free safety. He wasn't a
Speaker 1: free safe. A free safety you could do other things. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he could play in the box and he couldn't play
Speaker 1: in the slot. Is did they have a true free
Speaker 1: safety here? Did they play with a true free safe?
Speaker 1: They never paid Darren Woodson fourteen They never paid a
Speaker 1: guard fourteen million dollars. Who did they have playing free
Speaker 1: safety when they should have paid They should have paid
Speaker 1: Larry Alan fourteen million dollars. They'd ever did that? Who
Speaker 1: was playing free safety? When they won Super Bowls? I
Speaker 1: was in Green Bay worried about my safe. I was
Speaker 1: asking you. I also knew the fact that they had
Speaker 1: a pretty good front. Seven told you good. Darren Woodson
Speaker 1: was a great safety for you. Brock Marion was the
Speaker 1: free safe, and he was a liability and career. James
Speaker 1: was ability. Washington was a special team players, a free safety.
Speaker 1: He was a special Washington almost won the MVP. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Super Bowl absolutely, yeah, so, and he was a plan
Speaker 1: B pick up that this is a different era of football.
Speaker 1: This is not nineteen sixty seven. Not selling insurance. No,
Speaker 1: we're not selling insurance on the side or car. To
Speaker 1: Mickey's point about Brock Marion playing free safety, well, how
Speaker 1: did those defenses compare with this defense outside of free safety? Yeah,
Speaker 1: ninety five they were pretty good defensively. Ninety three ninety
Speaker 1: two they were the number one defense in the league
Speaker 1: with James Washington at free safety and Thomas Everett at
Speaker 1: free safety. How did the offenses compare? Well, they had
Speaker 1: a number one offense. I probably one of the probably
Speaker 1: one of the best coaches ever to coach, this coach
Speaker 1: in the National Football Harry Switzer in nineteen ninety. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I knew that was coming. Boomer. I'm just saying. I
Speaker 1: am just saying, though, to me, if I'm if I'm
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett, I am trying my best to get here
Speaker 1: stand in on a table saying we got yes, yes,
Speaker 1: And at the fact, if the fact that you have
Speaker 1: Chris Rashard here as his coach, I think I think
Speaker 1: says as all you need to know. I think that's all.
Speaker 1: What they could do with Earl Thomas playing safety can
Speaker 1: go a long way, not just for this year but
Speaker 1: for coming years. To help this help this route. He
Speaker 1: could be. He could be better than a bridge to
Speaker 1: get guys better guys down the line. He helps They
Speaker 1: talk about denying the football to try to deny the routes.
Speaker 1: This guy helps you do that. The way he plays,
Speaker 1: he can help you do that. Do you think that's
Speaker 1: been the master plan all along this offseason? I think
Speaker 1: if Connor Williams was not on the board at fifty.
Speaker 1: They would have taken a chance on Earl Thomas. Yes,
Speaker 1: I would have. I do believe that. I think that
Speaker 1: they they they they have an understanding of what they need.
Speaker 1: But it's the type of move to me that makes sense.
Speaker 1: And again I don't care about paying him because I'm
Speaker 1: paying a guard, I'm paying a tackle, and I'm paying
Speaker 1: order back. I paid a defensive end. But you know what, though,
Speaker 1: let the defense been, You're paying that defense been seven
Speaker 1: from all about one year? You got Road. They got
Speaker 1: seventy million dollars in Cats. They don't have seventy million dollars?
Speaker 1: What do they have? What do they have? Can you
Speaker 1: tell me? Is this a conversation that's going on upstairs
Speaker 1: here where we've got Steven Jones here, Jerry Christmas Chard
Speaker 1: over here or Jason Garry? I think you know, And
Speaker 1: it's no disrespect to Mickey. I'm just trying to make
Speaker 1: this football team better and I and to this point
Speaker 1: in time, you know, I've I've struggled through having mediocre
Speaker 1: players at key positions, and I don't want it. Anything
Speaker 1: on the Seattle topic. I think part of your point
Speaker 1: two is Seattle got through a couple of super Bowls
Speaker 1: not paying a quarterback a lot of money. So there's
Speaker 1: there's a small window to try to take advantage of
Speaker 1: that before you got to make a huge decision on
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty million bucks or whatever it might
Speaker 1: Well your window closes next year, Well then you might
Speaker 1: know what potentially guess what quarterbacks are gonna get paid yet,
Speaker 1: Ray Mike White, if that doesn't work out, if you
Speaker 1: if you know, all of a sudden, you're eight and
Speaker 1: eight because you had four defensive secondary play and you're
Speaker 1: eight and eight, and then we could all talk about, Hey,
Speaker 1: so and so coach really likes this guy, so and
Speaker 1: so coach really likes They had the number eight defense
Speaker 1: last year with Byron Jones at free safety. Why didn't
Speaker 1: move Byron Jones the corner then? Because they think that
Speaker 1: he can play corner because he's bigger. Okay, well what
Speaker 1: did he do with safety to hurt the defense? They
Speaker 1: were the number eight team, they moved him to corner?
Speaker 1: Yeah right, see, I love you, but I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: not gonna I am not going down the path of
Speaker 1: I'm not going down the path of just being mediocre
Speaker 1: to position when I have a chance, he says, it.
Speaker 1: It's a twenty four seven job. That player evaluation will
Speaker 1: do your job. Then if you have an opportunity to
Speaker 1: add an elite player, add the elite player. That's just me.
Speaker 1: Nineteen sixty eight, they had sold insurance. Two years ago.
Speaker 1: They sold insurance stuff like that. You know they did.
Speaker 1: They work. Then three channels. Jones was pretty good. Good
Speaker 1: Bill Jones was on one of the channels. Now he
Speaker 1: had his antenna, had my cowboy. Those were good old days. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm That's what I was talking about. The
Speaker 1: good old games were blacked out here and my dad
Speaker 1: had a cowboy's antenna. That was he Yeah, you didn't
Speaker 1: have the word blackout scared you didn't it? Games blacked out?
Speaker 1: This week? My gosh, what do you mean it's blacked
Speaker 1: out to you? How much do you realize how much
Speaker 1: time we spent covering that part of it? Like every
Speaker 1: Thursday it was the game good out? Oh no, yeah,
Speaker 1: oh oh whoa Kroger just paid a lot of money
Speaker 1: to buy up when the when the when the team
Speaker 1: wasn't playing as well. It's like, you know, somebody's foundation
Speaker 1: just bought all the tickets. Yeah you know, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: So uh no, Earl Thomas, Then how are we at
Speaker 1: safety here? Let Mickey tell you I think they're okay.
Speaker 1: I don't say I don't think they're great, but I'll
Speaker 1: go back to what I said. Please make that we're
Speaker 1: better than okay, can't have everything. You can't pay fourteen
Speaker 1: million dollars for a free safety thirteen. Well it's gonna
Speaker 1: be fourteen because the guy that has the most is
Speaker 1: thirteen and he wants to be the highest paid. And
Speaker 1: I I can play poker with him. Why do I
Speaker 1: have to give in? Why do I have to give
Speaker 1: a second and fourteen times three get an elite play
Speaker 1: two million right to get an elite player? Chalism school?
Speaker 1: I just I'm not sure that I need to do that.
Speaker 1: Were you? Let me ask you? Why do I have
Speaker 1: to do? Were you? Were you for the Charles Hailey deal?
Speaker 1: Does seattle? What do you mean that didn't cost him anything? No? No, no,
Speaker 1: let me ask you. Let me Were you for the Charles?
Speaker 1: Were you for Charles? It was was trading a pick? Okay?
Speaker 1: Were no money in public? Were you for it to
Speaker 1: get better? The team better? Well, didn't make it difference.
Speaker 1: They did it. There was no discussion. They called on
Speaker 1: a Saturday and by Monday we were doing the show.
Speaker 1: Would make me argue that Charles Hailey would not have
Speaker 1: been a good trade. Yeah, probably probably why he was
Speaker 1: kind of a troublemaker. Yeah, because her yeah, or or
Speaker 1: the or the general manager's desk. Right, If I have
Speaker 1: to be implicit elsewhere in the secondary, how are things
Speaker 1: gonna shake out as far as who the starters are,
Speaker 1: who's getting reps? I think, pardon me for jumping in here, guys,
Speaker 1: I think that the one position needed to keep an
Speaker 1: eye on is the nickel corner. Yeah, is because I
Speaker 1: think they're I think that they're committed to playing Byron Jones,
Speaker 1: Mickey's guy at right corner, who he said he's mail,
Speaker 1: He's gone, He's gonna fail that Mickey and Mickey's gone
Speaker 1: on record say he's gonna fail, but h on air
Speaker 1: on air, and then and then you got Cheeto playing
Speaker 1: the other The question is can Jordan Lewis convince Chris
Speaker 1: Richard in this defensive staff that he could play in
Speaker 1: the in the slot. That's the question where this is
Speaker 1: going to be now and Anthy Brown, I personally think
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis is a better player than Anthony Brown. And
Speaker 1: that's just I just if you said the draft would
Speaker 1: tell you that just was a third round pick. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, but Anthony Brown, his first year was outstaking.
Speaker 1: And here's my thing about that too, is we're talking
Speaker 1: about size and frame. Is that matter so much in
Speaker 1: the slot because the type of receivers that you're having
Speaker 1: to cover inside, Like you've got to be maybe a
Speaker 1: little quicker, shiftier, smaller guys, Like do you have to
Speaker 1: have the six one corner to play in the slot? Like,
Speaker 1: I don't think he has to be typecast in that role,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah, I don't that'll play
Speaker 1: out you want you want to, I think you'll play
Speaker 1: out in training camp. One of them is gonna rise
Speaker 1: to the occasion. Yeah, because other one's gonna say, okay,
Speaker 1: let them let him. Nicky's plan Byram will fail. He'll
Speaker 1: move back to safety. They'll kick Lewis to the outside
Speaker 1: and Brown will play the slot ism I right about
Speaker 1: the bar the other way around on the outside, and
Speaker 1: October Art and Lewis in the slot. By the time
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Speaker 1: we talked about some big name players earlier in the
Speaker 1: show Under the Radar. New guy on this roster, I
Speaker 1: got four options for you. Okay, good? Coney Ely said
Speaker 1: he needs to lose a little weight. Yeah, hasn't. We
Speaker 1: haven't seen much of him. Cameron Fleming potential new backup
Speaker 1: swing tackle, super Bowl tackle, Cam Kelly undrafted dB Marri's
Speaker 1: your earl. Thomas moved him back to Yeah, moved him
Speaker 1: back to Snicky just looked at him in disgust or
Speaker 1: with David Irving missing OTAs we saw more of Jahad War? Yeah,
Speaker 1: which of those four you guys like to make a
Speaker 1: contribution the most of this year? Potentially? You voted, Nicky.
Speaker 1: I can't remember how I voted. You voted? Would I
Speaker 1: would vote? I would yea. It's a lot of people
Speaker 1: saying about the president, you know, I was remember I
Speaker 1: remember I believe I went with dort number four, ja
Speaker 1: god Ward other way to watch practice, Mickey, you know
Speaker 1: what you're doing. Potential undertackle for this team. M Christopher
Speaker 1: Shard would be a good addition to that. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: another one. Yeah, he's not really under the radar man
Speaker 1: everybody's talking about. Okay, Well, if it was me, I'm
Speaker 1: really happy. And for once, I agree with Mickey. It's
Speaker 1: not often it happens twice. That's wide receiver. Yeah, that's right,
Speaker 1: that's true. He's he's he got me on that one too.
Speaker 1: I'm I'm with Mickey on this one. I think jahad Ward.
Speaker 1: I know it's T shirts and helmets and I know
Speaker 1: it's but he's given guys. He's given Frederick a little problem.
Speaker 1: He's been given Connor Williams a little problem. Okay, he's
Speaker 1: gonna give Chaz Green problems, and he's gonna give Marcus
Speaker 1: market Martin a little problem. But he has been the
Speaker 1: one guy that's been really active. And if you could
Speaker 1: give me an active guy that's a little bit disruptive
Speaker 1: that guys are. You know when he gets back to
Speaker 1: the quarterback and he stops you know, you know, Prescott
Speaker 1: goes through. I mean, he stays off the quarterback. But
Speaker 1: there's a lot of times when you watch him, he's
Speaker 1: near the quarterback and I'm okay with that, Mary Nelly.
Speaker 1: Putting him at defensive tackle instead of defensive end might
Speaker 1: very well be a steal for this team. And just
Speaker 1: personally meeting him, yes, or last week up two pounds, Yeah,
Speaker 1: big powerful frame. He's an impressive looking guy. And he
Speaker 1: has a round draft pick. Yeah. Yeah. The Raiders again,
Speaker 1: always look at teams if we were in a pro
Speaker 1: if we were in a pro staff together, I'd say, guys,
Speaker 1: let's follow the teams that have new coaches, because new coaches,
Speaker 1: like Mickey will get rid of players. They'll just get
Speaker 1: or they have a scheme team scheme change. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: I just threw you in the Miami I mean they
Speaker 1: were playing a three four Yeah, and that wasn't what
Speaker 1: he was at ill No. No, And I'll tell you
Speaker 1: what you watched me in Illinois though, he was a
Speaker 1: pretty impressive. And then Marion Elli tells a great story
Speaker 1: about putting him inside at tackle and now he goes
Speaker 1: from being a tick slow to being a guy. It's
Speaker 1: got some got some abilities, so he would be my guy.
Speaker 1: He had to rank him, how would you rank him?
Speaker 1: How did you do, Bill, I'll go with johad Ward
Speaker 1: on that too. Yeah. I mean the others don't do
Speaker 1: much for me. I haven't kill And the winner was
Speaker 1: jod Ward fifty one percent, followed by Cony, so we
Speaker 1: do not have to see our runoff. He hit the majority. Yeah,
Speaker 1: ask you this, Okay, when we see Coney Eally, Mickey,
Speaker 1: are we gonna see and everybody can chime in here,
Speaker 1: but when we see Coney Eally back to his playing weight,
Speaker 1: a good playing weight, are we gonna be just as
Speaker 1: impressed at Coney Eely? Because I think Cony Eally is
Speaker 1: just as a talented guy. And they and obviously they
Speaker 1: did too when he was coming out of Missouri. We
Speaker 1: our draft magazine. Once he drops his weight, yeah, and
Speaker 1: he said that's important. He's got to get down to,
Speaker 1: you know, go back because after the shoulder surgery, we'll
Speaker 1: see it in training camp when the pads come on
Speaker 1: about ten pounds away. Yeah. I mean he's he's he's
Speaker 1: pretty good. Cody Journeyman. Aspect of Cony Ely's career here,
Speaker 1: the last year troubles me. Well, whoa that? You know what?
Speaker 1: That's not that's not and that's not a bad point.
Speaker 1: That's when he got to the Jets. They were they
Speaker 1: were playing him as three four defensive stand up Yeah right,
Speaker 1: New England too, Yeah, New England, and so that's not
Speaker 1: what he was. Hybrid, but New England brings guys in
Speaker 1: and they're just looking at him. And then there, I
Speaker 1: mean he was. He was basically a play away from
Speaker 1: being the MVP of the Super Bowl. Carolina I had won.
Speaker 1: I just I watched. I went back and watched Carolina tape,
Speaker 1: and what they did was they kicked him inside stuff
Speaker 1: on some nickel and he was able to do that.
Speaker 1: And they love flexibility. It drives as crazy. Initially I
Speaker 1: was all excited about flexibility and then and then I
Speaker 1: got now I'm war down about flexibility because it's like
Speaker 1: flexibility you could play four eight games of the spot
Speaker 1: and then they move you somewhere else. But I think
Speaker 1: with coney Eally, when he gets out there a training
Speaker 1: camp OX started, when we're all kind of watching practice together,
Speaker 1: I think I was feeling Bill is going to go, hey,
Speaker 1: do you see what Coney Ealey just did? You know?
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna see that, and maybe that's what
Speaker 1: we're seeing with jahad Ward in T shirts and helmets
Speaker 1: that we'll see with Cony eally on a regular basis
Speaker 1: when they get in some paths. Okay, of the draft picks,
Speaker 1: as we kind of look forward to training camp in
Speaker 1: the preseason, which of the draft picks maybe under their Okay,
Speaker 1: we're all going to keep an eye on the first
Speaker 1: round pick Banderash, which of the other guys will who
Speaker 1: might be the star of the preseason out of the
Speaker 1: other guys in the draft picks. I'm gonna say this,
Speaker 1: I'm looking he was selected late, and I don't think
Speaker 1: it was an afterthought, and I'm surprised he went late.
Speaker 1: But Cedric Wilson might be now he didn't practice this
Speaker 1: last week, you know, and I'm like, oh, please, don't
Speaker 1: be that guy, because I need him to be healthy
Speaker 1: throughout because I want him to make a run. I
Speaker 1: want him to be like you know how it is, receivers.
Speaker 1: We've been enough training camps where you're watching those receivers.
Speaker 1: They run so much and by the end of it,
Speaker 1: they're just wore down and they can't practice and they
Speaker 1: don't look good, and they know the rookie wall and
Speaker 1: all that. But I want to see Cedric Wilson because
Speaker 1: I think there's talent there. I think that he got
Speaker 1: I think he got underdrafted where his position was. I
Speaker 1: kind of felt like he was more like a fourth
Speaker 1: round guy for them to grab him in the sixth.
Speaker 1: Just need him to stay and need those legs to
Speaker 1: keep being fresh, needing to be out there catching balls,
Speaker 1: doing whatever he can to make this team. But I'm
Speaker 1: kind of with all the muddled wide receiver spot, kind
Speaker 1: of thinking about maybe that might be a guy that
Speaker 1: kind of jumps in there with some of his play,
Speaker 1: and I think he's probably got the nature to play
Speaker 1: special teams too. Right, we mentioned Noah Brown, you had
Speaker 1: brought him up. That's one of the reasons why he
Speaker 1: made it last year. I mean, he was a seven
Speaker 1: round pick. I'm still not sold on him as a
Speaker 1: wide receiver. That's fair. And it wasn't just Cedric Wilson too.
Speaker 1: Deontay Thompson missed last week also, so both you know,
Speaker 1: the wide receivers are starting to show the wear and
Speaker 1: tear of the right of these otash. I don't know
Speaker 1: if this is under the radar or whatever, but I
Speaker 1: just think Michael Gallup is going to make a huge
Speaker 1: impression on this team before it's all said and done.
Speaker 1: You can see it on the field. You can see
Speaker 1: the talent, explosive guy. I'm with you there. I want
Speaker 1: to see if Dalton Schultz can challenge these other two
Speaker 1: tight ends, though, because Jeff Swain is solid, I think
Speaker 1: they feel good about him as a VET, a young vet.
Speaker 1: Blake jarn was really shown up too. Yeah, and but
Speaker 1: I think they really like Schultz's potential as an all
Speaker 1: around guy. I think They've got some young athleticism at
Speaker 1: the tight end spot, including Schultz as a big twelve guy.
Speaker 1: Bill Armstrong do anything for you, you you know. I mean
Speaker 1: I didn't notice him because he played for Kansas, right,
Speaker 1: you'd usually it had the time it's over. But leading
Speaker 1: up to the draft, and especially after the Cowboys drafted
Speaker 1: him and then going back and looking at him, I
Speaker 1: mean the Oklahoma tackle he beat him a couple of
Speaker 1: times for sacks Brown Orlando Brown, right, Connor Williams and
Speaker 1: gave us success against against him. So he flashed and
Speaker 1: you know, see, that's if they could. There's a lot
Speaker 1: of questions about the defensive end position. We named a
Speaker 1: bunch of guys kid is Is Doran and they and
Speaker 1: they thought a lot about him. I mean, they're talking
Speaker 1: about trading up. We were thinking, oh, they're trading up
Speaker 1: for the safety to various more. You know, when we
Speaker 1: were doing the draft coverage, I was like, they're trying
Speaker 1: to get back in this draft. They're trying to get more.
Speaker 1: They want to get the safety here. But they were
Speaker 1: trading up for They're trying to get it back in
Speaker 1: for Armstrong. And so that kind of tells you a
Speaker 1: lot of what they thought about Armstrong as a player.
Speaker 1: And I know it kind of bothers me a little bit.
Speaker 1: I didn't talk about him, but I just look, I'm
Speaker 1: looking at I'm just looking at with the situation of
Speaker 1: the wide receiver and thinking that Cedric Wilson might be
Speaker 1: one of those guys when you keep an eye on.
Speaker 1: Here's another guy to keep an eye on. Bo Scarborough
Speaker 1: seventh round draft pick running back. How in the world
Speaker 1: he lasted all the way to the seventh round. The
Speaker 1: reason I say that, I was listening to Sirius NFL
Speaker 1: radio and Phil Savage was on there last week. Phil
Speaker 1: Savage does Alabama radio. Yeah, Alama Radio. So he's watched
Speaker 1: him throughout his career and he mentioned Bo Scarborough could
Speaker 1: not believe because he says he's a second or third
Speaker 1: round talent and slipped all the way to the seventh round.
Speaker 1: He didn't go into details on why he thought he
Speaker 1: may have done that. Obviously Downhill doesn't have special teams value.
Speaker 1: There's that day. But see that's where if you talk
Speaker 1: to Keith O'Quinn, like, and I know, Mickey, I'm sorry
Speaker 1: I didn't see your Keith O'Quinn interview, but you know
Speaker 1: if i've heard some whispers that o'quinn's like some people
Speaker 1: have asked O'Quinn about him as a special teams guy.
Speaker 1: And in the first practice ever watch in the rookie orientation,
Speaker 1: they had him playing as the right wing on the
Speaker 1: punt team. So it's thinking like I'm thinking, like, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: O'Quinn as least has an idea. As you can see
Speaker 1: the clips right there, A great job by our staff
Speaker 1: getting you you know, that's him right there. That's how
Speaker 1: you block play in the wing. So yeah, they're they're
Speaker 1: trying to find there's got to be a mental adjustment
Speaker 1: for him, yeacause in his mindset at Alabama, he is
Speaker 1: you know, Alabama, look at the great history of the
Speaker 1: backs that they've had there. They've had Heisman Trophy winning
Speaker 1: backs and they've come in the league and some have
Speaker 1: had some great success, and then you've had guys like
Speaker 1: Richardson that was just god awful. Well he had to
Speaker 1: split time at running back there and he wasn't a
Speaker 1: big receiving guy. He was in your face, smash mouth,
Speaker 1: downhill running back. So can he Yeah? Can he come here?
Speaker 1: And here's what Savage said. Savage says, if if Zeke
Speaker 1: goes down or whatever, for any this is a guy
Speaker 1: that can, he'll He'll have one hundred yard rushing game
Speaker 1: for you. He's a guy obviously. I think preseason will
Speaker 1: tell a lot. He's gone. He's gonna have some challenges. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know Trey Williams, here's a different type back, not
Speaker 1: that big guy they could play. Kept him around, and
Speaker 1: they brought back Darius Jackson, who they really liked. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so he better make sure he's ready to go if
Speaker 1: he's gonna make this fifty three man roster. How many
Speaker 1: receivers are you keeping? And do you count Tavon Austin
Speaker 1: eventually as a running back to work the numbers? You know,
Speaker 1: So there's a lot of things to figure out. House
Speaker 1: to me, like they lean more towards him as a
Speaker 1: receiver from now. Yes, although I think he's a guy
Speaker 1: you're gonna maybe seeing a bunch of different meeting rooms,
Speaker 1: and he's just kind of like there'll be a challenge.
Speaker 1: He's just a player. I don't think you make him
Speaker 1: a wide receiver. I don't think you make them a
Speaker 1: running back. I think he's not just a special teams guy.
Speaker 1: He's a player. He's TV Scotland. They said they will
Speaker 1: put the ball in his hands. Believe me, we are
Speaker 1: five minutes away from a Jason Garrett Preston already is
Speaker 1: talking billbo and co is a callow four. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: have a chance to get better, don't we guess we
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