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Speaker 1: two thy eighteen, and this is the day we've all

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Speaker 1: been waiting for. It's the first day of Cowboys Mini Camp,

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Speaker 1: one of the most important meetings in the world going

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Speaker 1: on right now as we discuss what's going on with

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Speaker 1: the Cowboys. I thought he was gonna say the return

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Speaker 1: first show back in like twelve years. It is feel

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Speaker 1: feeling different than the first time you did. There are

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Speaker 1: bright lights in here, yeah, but the lights are much

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Speaker 1: right making do you realize that three of the four

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Speaker 1: trying to remember when the original to the big table.

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Speaker 1: That's right. I know you guys. Did you guys have

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Speaker 1: him like at the kids card table at the Thanksgiving meal? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Adding there was the show Yeah, I remember the show guys. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so was that two thousand and four? Yes, okay, two

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Speaker 1: I knew That's what I knew. Rob was at the

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Speaker 1: card table because I've told that story. There's no no

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Speaker 1: I was. I was working at the team and then yeah,

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Speaker 1: but we we I saw you what you're doing. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you kept these guys in line. I tried. It was

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Speaker 1: like an adult table and there was enough room for

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Speaker 1: everybody else. We're saying, okay, Thanksgiving you okay. The table

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Speaker 1: sort of like this one, yeah, which was a TV

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Speaker 1: school desk, one of those first grade desks exactly. You've

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Speaker 1: seen Billy Madison, the movie that was me back in

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Speaker 1: third grade and Rob was in charge of Slippy's class.

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Speaker 1: Rob was in charge of emails, long before social media.

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Speaker 1: I know we didn't have tweets back then, didn't we.

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Speaker 1: You guys have got hammerd then if that was the face, right,

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Speaker 1: and this is how old school that show was. Y'all

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Speaker 1: reserved in all of his interviews and then will and behold.

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Speaker 1: He went back to two thousand and four when he

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Speaker 1: got on CBS last fall and he was glib again.

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Speaker 1: third guy because Testaverdi. Yeah wow, So anyway, but enough

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Speaker 1: about two thousand and four. It's good to have you back.

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Speaker 1: That's great to be back. Yeah, it's great to be back.

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Speaker 1: Looking forward to this and there's so much to get

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Speaker 1: into By the way, Brian, I loved your I've got

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Speaker 1: it written down here. Check it out on Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 1: dot com. The top ten surprises of the offseason. I'd

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Speaker 1: like to get into that a little bit. But how

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Speaker 1: Didn't they take basically six weeks off and start training.

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Speaker 1: but I just don't like the fact you're giving the

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Speaker 1: very very rich man. Yeah. Yes, My understanding was last

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Speaker 1: So will we should be done? Highest paid guard in

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Speaker 1: So essentially you've got debating there. You've got locked up

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Speaker 1: two on Brian brought us list of top ten offseason surprises.

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Speaker 1: returning to Talking Cowboys. And by the way, I am

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Speaker 1: This is this is a strange seven it did he stretch.

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Speaker 1: so holdouts here and he holdouts here that we can

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Speaker 1: think of. No, I mean everyone we've We've said, David Irving,

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Speaker 1: we're supposedly is on campus. There is a holdout in Seattle.

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Speaker 1: hold out in Seattle until he gets his contract resolved,

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Speaker 1: which brings us to this Cowboys secondary and more specifically

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Speaker 1: the safety position. You know what this is gonna sound

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Speaker 1: crazy if you're willing to do two fifty in this draft,

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Speaker 1: second second pick, you know, second round pick number fifty,

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Speaker 1: You're willing to do it until Connor Williams showed up

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Speaker 1: all from your second round pick. Again, let's get this done.

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Speaker 1: Let's figure this out. If you you know, you obviously

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Speaker 1: you got the hap space next year to do it.

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Speaker 1: You know I think that, do you? Though? Yeah? You do?

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Speaker 1: What's seven million dollars? What's your quarterback making next year? Well,

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Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. I'm gonna I'm gonna watch your

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Speaker 1: running back making the next year. You know what I'm gonna.

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Speaker 1: I'm playing to try and win this thing. How much

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Speaker 1: are you willing to pay him, because it's not about

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Speaker 1: the second million dollars. That's right, Eric Berry making thirteen

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Speaker 1: million dollars, I'm going I'll go over thirteen million dollars

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Speaker 1: for him. I think this guy can play. I think

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Speaker 1: he can help you for three years. I think you

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Speaker 1: can guarantee his contract, you can structure it in a way.

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Speaker 1: I'm paying this guy. He's gonna help a young secondary.

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Speaker 1: He's gonna give you leadership, he's gonna give you playmaking ability,

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Speaker 1: he's going to create turnovers. I watched him. I watched

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Speaker 1: him the other day part of my series of the Opponents,

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Speaker 1: and I'm convinced that if if if Connor Williams was

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Speaker 1: not there at fifty, that they would have made that trade.

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Speaker 1: I'm convinced to that. And so if you're willing to

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Speaker 1: do that this draft, go ahead and do it again.

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Speaker 1: Because he's not now. You can wait, you can wait

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Speaker 1: him out. You know, you could wait him out next

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Speaker 1: year and Seattle could hold on to him and you

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Speaker 1: could try and sign him as a free agent. But

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm gonna try and win right now. But that's

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Speaker 1: that's the crux of the matter. I think winning right now. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: And I think there's a school of thought out I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna win with a young with a non paying quarterback

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Speaker 1: and a non paying running But there's a school of

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Speaker 1: thought out there that since you let Dez Bryant go,

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Speaker 1: since Jason Witten's retired, that this team right now is

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Speaker 1: not in a position too. It would be a shocker

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Speaker 1: for them to go all the way and their rosters,

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Speaker 1: their roster is just as good as Philadelphia. Why would

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Speaker 1: you give up a second round pick? Wow? Dallas roster, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's just as good as Philadelphia's roster. Wow? Absolutely? Why

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Speaker 1: would youive? Why would you give up a second round pick?

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Speaker 1: Because I was willing to do. I'm going to get

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Speaker 1: this thing done. I'm not gonna haggle anymore. I mean,

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Speaker 1: they obviously said they didn't want my my third round pick.

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Speaker 1: They didn't. I mean, you try to trade him sixty

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Speaker 1: seven or whatever whatever that pick was, and they said no.

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Speaker 1: Do you think so? You don't have him over a barrel?

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Speaker 1: Right now? There's third no whether they're gonna do just

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Speaker 1: let him sit. No, they're gonna let him play because

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Speaker 1: what's going to happen is players never put leave money

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Speaker 1: on the table once they start the season. He is

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Speaker 1: not leaving ten million dollars on the table. How he's

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Speaker 1: not going to do that on principle, How important is

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Speaker 1: here as early as possible where he's there at the

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Speaker 1: start of training. Well, obviously, obviously he is. He knows

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Speaker 1: Chris Rashard, he knows the system, he knows what's what's

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Speaker 1: going to be done. He's been through this. He's a

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Speaker 1: veteran player, and not from his standpoint, but as far

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Speaker 1: gonna get his best three years is what you're gonna get,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion. Are you sure absolutely? Twenty nine years old,

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Speaker 1: I'm absolutely sure. And he's been hurt. I'm absolutely sure

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Speaker 1: that Mickey and he didn't have as many interceptions as

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Speaker 1: Jeff Heath. I'll tell you what I'm not. I'm talking

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Speaker 1: National Football League, that gets to the football, can create

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Speaker 1: eight turnovers. Is a leader you know in a young secondary,

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Speaker 1: can teach guys how to play football, how to play

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Speaker 1: across go make this happen. Okay, let me ask you,

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Speaker 1: without Earl Thomas, does this team have a shot at

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Speaker 1: contending for a Super Bowl? I think you asked that

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Speaker 1: question earlier, and I'm kind of with I don't know

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Speaker 1: about Philly's roster, but I think I don't think this

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Speaker 1: franchise feels like they're in rebuild mode in any way,

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Speaker 1: because I think the Connor Williams pick to me, they

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Speaker 1: look at it and they say, all right, we got

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Speaker 1: our lineback stable. We're gonna run the ball, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: play keep away, and we can win football games, just

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Speaker 1: like we did for eight games last year before Zeke

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Speaker 1: got The offense gets go and it helps the defense.

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Speaker 1: We've talked about that one hundred different times in this

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Speaker 1: they think they still got the formula. Yeah, So if

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Speaker 1: that's all true about Earl Thomas, Yeah, then what's Seattle's

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Speaker 1: problem with him? Seattle just doesn't want to pay him

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Speaker 1: thirteen million dollars. They're in a reboot because they just

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Speaker 1: don't want He's not going to help him and all

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Speaker 1: the same things you just said. You know what he

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Speaker 1: He will help them, no question about it. But they

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Speaker 1: just don't want to extend his contract. I'm willing to

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Speaker 1: take it on for my team. You could be skeptical

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Speaker 1: all you want, because that's the way you operate, right.

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Speaker 1: But I am. I'm to the point now where if

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Speaker 1: I'm a head coach here and I'm realized I need

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Speaker 1: in key positions. I don't know. I love it. No, No,

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Speaker 1: you can help this defense. You put somebody you have.

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Speaker 1: You have guys like you get. You get this defensive

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Speaker 1: Sean Lee vander esh playing well. You get Jalen Smith

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Speaker 1: without a brace playing better. Now, think about putting Earl

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Speaker 1: Thomas at safety. If you want to play Jeff Heath

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Speaker 1: next to him down in the box, that's great. Do that. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: play defense? Sure? Yeah? Yeah, I mean, Cheeto, I think

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Speaker 1: He would on this defense, he would don't be skeptical,

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Speaker 1: not too much money. It's the it's mickey, this isn't

636
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:27,560
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty eight. We're not selling eighteen. We're not selling it. Yeah,

637
00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: you just paid you pay the guards fourteen fifteen million dollars.

638
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,120
Speaker 1: I can't spending money like that on a free safety,

639
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,719
Speaker 1: your quarterback, your court. Have you ever seen a season

640
00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: and and you said, you know, darn it if I

641
00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 1: just had a if you were safety, yea, yeah. New

642
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:47,360
Speaker 1: Orleans their safety missed a frigging tackle right there there,

643
00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 1: safe room the entire season. You didn't lose eight games

644
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: because you didn't have a good friend. They missed as

645
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 1: free safety, missed a tackle in a game that costs

646
00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: New Orleans a chance to go to the NFC Championship game. Oh,

647
00:33:59,520 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: I don't sha never play, Never tell me stay safety,

648
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:08,279
Speaker 1: Darren Woodson, he wasn't a free safety. He wasn't a

649
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: free safe. A free safety you could do other things. Yeah,

650
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 1: he could play in the box and he couldn't play

651
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:14,879
Speaker 1: in the slot. Is did they have a true free

652
00:34:14,880 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: safety here? Did they play with a true free safe?

653
00:34:16,760 --> 00:34:19,920
Speaker 1: They never paid Darren Woodson fourteen They never paid a

654
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: guard fourteen million dollars. Who did they have playing free

655
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,759
Speaker 1: safety when they should have paid They should have paid

656
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: Larry Alan fourteen million dollars. They'd ever did that? Who

657
00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,759
Speaker 1: was playing free safety? When they won Super Bowls? I

658
00:34:31,840 --> 00:34:33,840
Speaker 1: was in Green Bay worried about my safe. I was

659
00:34:33,920 --> 00:34:36,319
Speaker 1: asking you. I also knew the fact that they had

660
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:40,920
Speaker 1: a pretty good front. Seven told you good. Darren Woodson

661
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: was a great safety for you. Brock Marion was the

662
00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:48,360
Speaker 1: free safe, and he was a liability and career. James

663
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:53,480
Speaker 1: was ability. Washington was a special team players, a free safety.

664
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 1: He was a special Washington almost won the MVP. Yeah,

665
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: Super Bowl absolutely, yeah, so, and he was a plan

666
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 1: B pick up that this is a different era of football.

667
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:08,920
Speaker 1: This is not nineteen sixty seven. Not selling insurance. No,

668
00:35:09,040 --> 00:35:11,320
Speaker 1: we're not selling insurance on the side or car. To

669
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:15,640
Speaker 1: Mickey's point about Brock Marion playing free safety, well, how

670
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:20,120
Speaker 1: did those defenses compare with this defense outside of free safety? Yeah,

671
00:35:20,560 --> 00:35:24,280
Speaker 1: ninety five they were pretty good defensively. Ninety three ninety

672
00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:26,560
Speaker 1: two they were the number one defense in the league

673
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: with James Washington at free safety and Thomas Everett at

674
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,879
Speaker 1: free safety. How did the offenses compare? Well, they had

675
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:36,960
Speaker 1: a number one offense. I probably one of the probably

676
00:35:36,960 --> 00:35:39,200
Speaker 1: one of the best coaches ever to coach, this coach

677
00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: in the National Football Harry Switzer in nineteen ninety. Yeah,

678
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: I knew that was coming. Boomer. I'm just saying. I

679
00:35:48,640 --> 00:35:51,439
Speaker 1: am just saying, though, to me, if I'm if I'm

680
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 1: Jason Garrett, I am trying my best to get here

681
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 1: stand in on a table saying we got yes, yes,

682
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:01,839
Speaker 1: And at the fact, if the fact that you have

683
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:04,920
Speaker 1: Chris Rashard here as his coach, I think I think

684
00:36:05,000 --> 00:36:07,719
Speaker 1: says as all you need to know. I think that's all.

685
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 1: What they could do with Earl Thomas playing safety can

686
00:36:11,480 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: go a long way, not just for this year but

687
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 1: for coming years. To help this help this route. He

688
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:19,440
Speaker 1: could be. He could be better than a bridge to

689
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 1: get guys better guys down the line. He helps They

690
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 1: talk about denying the football to try to deny the routes.

691
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: This guy helps you do that. The way he plays,

692
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: he can help you do that. Do you think that's

693
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,080
Speaker 1: been the master plan all along this offseason? I think

694
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: if Connor Williams was not on the board at fifty.

695
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: They would have taken a chance on Earl Thomas. Yes,

696
00:36:41,120 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: I would have. I do believe that. I think that

697
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 1: they they they they have an understanding of what they need.

698
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 1: But it's the type of move to me that makes sense.

699
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:53,839
Speaker 1: And again I don't care about paying him because I'm

700
00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: paying a guard, I'm paying a tackle, and I'm paying

701
00:36:57,080 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 1: order back. I paid a defensive end. But you know what, though,

702
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:03,200
Speaker 1: let the defense been, You're paying that defense been seven

703
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 1: from all about one year? You got Road. They got

704
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 1: seventy million dollars in Cats. They don't have seventy million dollars?

705
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: What do they have? What do they have? Can you

706
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,800
Speaker 1: tell me? Is this a conversation that's going on upstairs

707
00:37:15,800 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: here where we've got Steven Jones here, Jerry Christmas Chard

708
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: over here or Jason Garry? I think you know, And

709
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: it's no disrespect to Mickey. I'm just trying to make

710
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 1: this football team better and I and to this point

711
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: in time, you know, I've I've struggled through having mediocre

712
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:33,960
Speaker 1: players at key positions, and I don't want it. Anything

713
00:37:34,040 --> 00:37:36,439
Speaker 1: on the Seattle topic. I think part of your point

714
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 1: two is Seattle got through a couple of super Bowls

715
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:42,319
Speaker 1: not paying a quarterback a lot of money. So there's

716
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,759
Speaker 1: there's a small window to try to take advantage of

717
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: that before you got to make a huge decision on

718
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty million bucks or whatever it might

719
00:37:48,600 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 1: Well your window closes next year, Well then you might

720
00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: know what potentially guess what quarterbacks are gonna get paid yet,

721
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,160
Speaker 1: Ray Mike White, if that doesn't work out, if you

722
00:37:58,239 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: if you know, all of a sudden, you're eight and

723
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:02,839
Speaker 1: eight because you had four defensive secondary play and you're

724
00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: eight and eight, and then we could all talk about, Hey,

725
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: so and so coach really likes this guy, so and

726
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:10,760
Speaker 1: so coach really likes They had the number eight defense

727
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 1: last year with Byron Jones at free safety. Why didn't

728
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 1: move Byron Jones the corner then? Because they think that

729
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:21,640
Speaker 1: he can play corner because he's bigger. Okay, well what

730
00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: did he do with safety to hurt the defense? They

731
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:26,520
Speaker 1: were the number eight team, they moved him to corner?

732
00:38:26,680 --> 00:38:31,160
Speaker 1: Yeah right, see, I love you, but I'm not I'm

733
00:38:31,200 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 1: not gonna I am not going down the path of

734
00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:37,280
Speaker 1: I'm not going down the path of just being mediocre

735
00:38:37,360 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: to position when I have a chance, he says, it.

736
00:38:40,400 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: It's a twenty four seven job. That player evaluation will

737
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: do your job. Then if you have an opportunity to

738
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: add an elite player, add the elite player. That's just me.

739
00:38:50,920 --> 00:38:54,720
Speaker 1: Nineteen sixty eight, they had sold insurance. Two years ago.

740
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: They sold insurance stuff like that. You know they did.

741
00:38:57,840 --> 00:39:03,040
Speaker 1: They work. Then three channels. Jones was pretty good. Good

742
00:39:03,120 --> 00:39:06,560
Speaker 1: Bill Jones was on one of the channels. Now he

743
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 1: had his antenna, had my cowboy. Those were good old days. Yeah,

744
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 1: that's what I'm That's what I was talking about. The

745
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,120
Speaker 1: good old games were blacked out here and my dad

746
00:39:17,160 --> 00:39:21,239
Speaker 1: had a cowboy's antenna. That was he Yeah, you didn't

747
00:39:21,239 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: have the word blackout scared you didn't it? Games blacked out?

748
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 1: This week? My gosh, what do you mean it's blacked

749
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,120
Speaker 1: out to you? How much do you realize how much

750
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,120
Speaker 1: time we spent covering that part of it? Like every

751
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,600
Speaker 1: Thursday it was the game good out? Oh no, yeah,

752
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:40,240
Speaker 1: oh oh whoa Kroger just paid a lot of money

753
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:44,239
Speaker 1: to buy up when the when the when the team

754
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 1: wasn't playing as well. It's like, you know, somebody's foundation

755
00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: just bought all the tickets. Yeah you know, yeah, okay,

756
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 1: So uh no, Earl Thomas, Then how are we at

757
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: safety here? Let Mickey tell you I think they're okay.

758
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 1: I don't say I don't think they're great, but I'll

759
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,799
Speaker 1: go back to what I said. Please make that we're

760
00:40:03,840 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 1: better than okay, can't have everything. You can't pay fourteen

761
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:10,759
Speaker 1: million dollars for a free safety thirteen. Well it's gonna

762
00:40:10,800 --> 00:40:13,440
Speaker 1: be fourteen because the guy that has the most is

763
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 1: thirteen and he wants to be the highest paid. And

764
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: I I can play poker with him. Why do I

765
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,080
Speaker 1: have to give in? Why do I have to give

766
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 1: a second and fourteen times three get an elite play

767
00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,800
Speaker 1: two million right to get an elite player? Chalism school?

768
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 1: I just I'm not sure that I need to do that.

769
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 1: Were you? Let me ask you? Why do I have

770
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 1: to do? Were you? Were you for the Charles Hailey deal?

771
00:40:36,640 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: Does seattle? What do you mean that didn't cost him anything? No? No, no,

772
00:40:39,760 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: let me ask you. Let me Were you for the Charles?

773
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:45,520
Speaker 1: Were you for Charles? It was was trading a pick? Okay?

774
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:47,920
Speaker 1: Were no money in public? Were you for it to

775
00:40:47,960 --> 00:40:50,600
Speaker 1: get better? The team better? Well, didn't make it difference.

776
00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: They did it. There was no discussion. They called on

777
00:40:53,520 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 1: a Saturday and by Monday we were doing the show.

778
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,319
Speaker 1: Would make me argue that Charles Hailey would not have

779
00:40:58,320 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: been a good trade. Yeah, probably probably why he was

780
00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: kind of a troublemaker. Yeah, because her yeah, or or

781
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 1: the or the general manager's desk. Right, If I have

782
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:18,680
Speaker 1: to be implicit elsewhere in the secondary, how are things

783
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 1: gonna shake out as far as who the starters are,

784
00:41:23,040 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 1: who's getting reps? I think, pardon me for jumping in here, guys,

785
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 1: I think that the one position needed to keep an

786
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,719
Speaker 1: eye on is the nickel corner. Yeah, is because I

787
00:41:33,760 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 1: think they're I think that they're committed to playing Byron Jones,

788
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 1: Mickey's guy at right corner, who he said he's mail,

789
00:41:40,719 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: He's gone, He's gonna fail that Mickey and Mickey's gone

790
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,279
Speaker 1: on record say he's gonna fail, but h on air

791
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,919
Speaker 1: on air, and then and then you got Cheeto playing

792
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 1: the other The question is can Jordan Lewis convince Chris

793
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,960
Speaker 1: Richard in this defensive staff that he could play in

794
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: the in the slot. That's the question where this is

795
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 1: going to be now and Anthy Brown, I personally think

796
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:08,960
Speaker 1: Jordan Lewis is a better player than Anthony Brown. And

797
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 1: that's just I just if you said the draft would

798
00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: tell you that just was a third round pick. Well,

799
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: you know, but Anthony Brown, his first year was outstaking.

800
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:18,359
Speaker 1: And here's my thing about that too, is we're talking

801
00:42:18,400 --> 00:42:21,239
Speaker 1: about size and frame. Is that matter so much in

802
00:42:21,280 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: the slot because the type of receivers that you're having

803
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: to cover inside, Like you've got to be maybe a

804
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,560
Speaker 1: little quicker, shiftier, smaller guys, Like do you have to

805
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 1: have the six one corner to play in the slot? Like,

806
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,879
Speaker 1: I don't think he has to be typecast in that role,

807
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: you know what I mean? Yeah, I don't that'll play

808
00:42:37,600 --> 00:42:41,960
Speaker 1: out you want you want to, I think you'll play

809
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 1: out in training camp. One of them is gonna rise

810
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:47,680
Speaker 1: to the occasion. Yeah, because other one's gonna say, okay,

811
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,680
Speaker 1: let them let him. Nicky's plan Byram will fail. He'll

812
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:53,360
Speaker 1: move back to safety. They'll kick Lewis to the outside

813
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: and Brown will play the slot ism I right about

814
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:58,600
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815
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:01,879
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816
00:43:01,920 --> 00:43:03,960
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817
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:07,480
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Speaker 1: It means you've got the passion of the heart to

851
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Speaker 1: do your part supporting the Boys no matter what. That's

852
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Speaker 1: why when the game's on the line, you're on your feet,

853
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Speaker 1: whether you're at home or of the stands. Actually, you're

854
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Speaker 1: more than a fan. You are a member of Cowboys Nation,

855
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856
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858
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859
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861
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867
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Speaker 1: a heck of a deal. Good Old Papa John's all right.

868
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:05,680
Speaker 1: So yes, a reminder Jason Garrett's press conference coming up

869
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:09,360
Speaker 1: at ten thirty five. Here ask questions today dot com

870
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 1: and uh seriously, admonishment to the reporter. No, let's all,

871
00:46:15,040 --> 00:46:17,239
Speaker 1: let's ask better questions. We'll get a better answer. To

872
00:46:17,320 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: be better, as Lebron said, yeah, there, you get better.

873
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,280
Speaker 1: I'm all right. I'm with all They sure it didn't

874
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:23,600
Speaker 1: listen to him, No, I'm with him. Be better. That's

875
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:27,759
Speaker 1: that's our job. Be better. A pole question Twitter Pole time. Yes, sir,

876
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:31,719
Speaker 1: we're just learning this stuff. He's alumnus. He keeps in

877
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: touch the card table. Let's go to Rob Phillips's right,

878
00:46:34,719 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 1: that's right, back to the kindergarten table. Best Under the Radar. Addition,

879
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,520
Speaker 1: we talked about some big name players earlier in the

880
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,480
Speaker 1: show Under the Radar. New guy on this roster, I

881
00:46:44,480 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 1: got four options for you. Okay, good? Coney Ely said

882
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 1: he needs to lose a little weight. Yeah, hasn't. We

883
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: haven't seen much of him. Cameron Fleming potential new backup

884
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:59,200
Speaker 1: swing tackle, super Bowl tackle, Cam Kelly undrafted dB Marri's

885
00:46:59,200 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 1: your earl. Thomas moved him back to Yeah, moved him

886
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 1: back to Snicky just looked at him in disgust or

887
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:09,719
Speaker 1: with David Irving missing OTAs we saw more of Jahad War? Yeah,

888
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: which of those four you guys like to make a

889
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:15,479
Speaker 1: contribution the most of this year? Potentially? You voted, Nicky.

890
00:47:15,800 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 1: I can't remember how I voted. You voted? Would I

891
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:22,759
Speaker 1: would vote? I would yea. It's a lot of people

892
00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: saying about the president, you know, I was remember I

893
00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: remember I believe I went with dort number four, ja

894
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:32,840
Speaker 1: god Ward other way to watch practice, Mickey, you know

895
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 1: what you're doing. Potential undertackle for this team. M Christopher

896
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: Shard would be a good addition to that. Yeah, that's

897
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 1: another one. Yeah, he's not really under the radar man

898
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:43,200
Speaker 1: everybody's talking about. Okay, Well, if it was me, I'm

899
00:47:43,239 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: really happy. And for once, I agree with Mickey. It's

900
00:47:46,520 --> 00:47:49,960
Speaker 1: not often it happens twice. That's wide receiver. Yeah, that's right,

901
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: that's true. He's he's he got me on that one too.

902
00:47:52,400 --> 00:47:55,240
Speaker 1: I'm I'm with Mickey on this one. I think jahad Ward.

903
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: I know it's T shirts and helmets and I know

904
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: it's but he's given guys. He's given Frederick a little problem.

905
00:48:01,480 --> 00:48:03,759
Speaker 1: He's been given Connor Williams a little problem. Okay, he's

906
00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,360
Speaker 1: gonna give Chaz Green problems, and he's gonna give Marcus

907
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 1: market Martin a little problem. But he has been the

908
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:11,120
Speaker 1: one guy that's been really active. And if you could

909
00:48:11,160 --> 00:48:13,600
Speaker 1: give me an active guy that's a little bit disruptive

910
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:16,400
Speaker 1: that guys are. You know when he gets back to

911
00:48:16,440 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: the quarterback and he stops you know, you know, Prescott

912
00:48:20,280 --> 00:48:22,880
Speaker 1: goes through. I mean, he stays off the quarterback. But

913
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: there's a lot of times when you watch him, he's

914
00:48:24,880 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: near the quarterback and I'm okay with that, Mary Nelly.

915
00:48:28,280 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: Putting him at defensive tackle instead of defensive end might

916
00:48:31,880 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 1: very well be a steal for this team. And just

917
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 1: personally meeting him, yes, or last week up two pounds, Yeah,

918
00:48:40,000 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 1: big powerful frame. He's an impressive looking guy. And he

919
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: has a round draft pick. Yeah. Yeah. The Raiders again,

920
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,440
Speaker 1: always look at teams if we were in a pro

921
00:48:49,600 --> 00:48:51,840
Speaker 1: if we were in a pro staff together, I'd say, guys,

922
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:55,440
Speaker 1: let's follow the teams that have new coaches, because new coaches,

923
00:48:55,600 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 1: like Mickey will get rid of players. They'll just get

924
00:48:58,600 --> 00:49:01,200
Speaker 1: or they have a scheme team scheme change. Yeah. And

925
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:03,479
Speaker 1: I just threw you in the Miami I mean they

926
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 1: were playing a three four Yeah, and that wasn't what

927
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,839
Speaker 1: he was at ill No. No, And I'll tell you

928
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:09,759
Speaker 1: what you watched me in Illinois though, he was a

929
00:49:09,800 --> 00:49:12,040
Speaker 1: pretty impressive. And then Marion Elli tells a great story

930
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,960
Speaker 1: about putting him inside at tackle and now he goes

931
00:49:14,960 --> 00:49:17,040
Speaker 1: from being a tick slow to being a guy. It's

932
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:20,120
Speaker 1: got some got some abilities, so he would be my guy.

933
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 1: He had to rank him, how would you rank him?

934
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: How did you do, Bill, I'll go with johad Ward

935
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,880
Speaker 1: on that too. Yeah. I mean the others don't do

936
00:49:26,960 --> 00:49:29,319
Speaker 1: much for me. I haven't kill And the winner was

937
00:49:29,560 --> 00:49:33,360
Speaker 1: jod Ward fifty one percent, followed by Cony, so we

938
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: do not have to see our runoff. He hit the majority. Yeah,

939
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 1: ask you this, Okay, when we see Coney Eally, Mickey,

940
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 1: are we gonna see and everybody can chime in here,

941
00:49:41,200 --> 00:49:44,319
Speaker 1: but when we see Coney Eally back to his playing weight,

942
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: a good playing weight, are we gonna be just as

943
00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:49,040
Speaker 1: impressed at Coney Eely? Because I think Cony Eally is

944
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: just as a talented guy. And they and obviously they

945
00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,560
Speaker 1: did too when he was coming out of Missouri. We

946
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,360
Speaker 1: our draft magazine. Once he drops his weight, yeah, and

947
00:49:57,360 --> 00:49:59,320
Speaker 1: he said that's important. He's got to get down to,

948
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 1: you know, go back because after the shoulder surgery, we'll

949
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:04,879
Speaker 1: see it in training camp when the pads come on

950
00:50:05,000 --> 00:50:08,879
Speaker 1: about ten pounds away. Yeah. I mean he's he's he's

951
00:50:08,920 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: pretty good. Cody Journeyman. Aspect of Cony Ely's career here,

952
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 1: the last year troubles me. Well, whoa that? You know what?

953
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,279
Speaker 1: That's not that's not and that's not a bad point.

954
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,000
Speaker 1: That's when he got to the Jets. They were they

955
00:50:23,040 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 1: were playing him as three four defensive stand up Yeah right,

956
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 1: New England too, Yeah, New England, and so that's not

957
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: what he was. Hybrid, but New England brings guys in

958
00:50:34,120 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: and they're just looking at him. And then there, I

959
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:38,319
Speaker 1: mean he was. He was basically a play away from

960
00:50:38,320 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: being the MVP of the Super Bowl. Carolina I had won.

961
00:50:41,640 --> 00:50:45,360
Speaker 1: I just I watched. I went back and watched Carolina tape,

962
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: and what they did was they kicked him inside stuff

963
00:50:47,640 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 1: on some nickel and he was able to do that.

964
00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:53,360
Speaker 1: And they love flexibility. It drives as crazy. Initially I

965
00:50:53,400 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 1: was all excited about flexibility and then and then I

966
00:50:55,560 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: got now I'm war down about flexibility because it's like

967
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 1: flexibility you could play four eight games of the spot

968
00:51:01,040 --> 00:51:03,879
Speaker 1: and then they move you somewhere else. But I think

969
00:51:03,880 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 1: with coney Eally, when he gets out there a training

970
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,800
Speaker 1: camp OX started, when we're all kind of watching practice together,

971
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 1: I think I was feeling Bill is going to go, hey,

972
00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:12,319
Speaker 1: do you see what Coney Ealey just did? You know?

973
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:14,319
Speaker 1: I think we're gonna see that, and maybe that's what

974
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:17,240
Speaker 1: we're seeing with jahad Ward in T shirts and helmets

975
00:51:17,239 --> 00:51:19,320
Speaker 1: that we'll see with Cony eally on a regular basis

976
00:51:19,360 --> 00:51:22,480
Speaker 1: when they get in some paths. Okay, of the draft picks,

977
00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 1: as we kind of look forward to training camp in

978
00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: the preseason, which of the draft picks maybe under their Okay,

979
00:51:31,120 --> 00:51:33,000
Speaker 1: we're all going to keep an eye on the first

980
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:38,440
Speaker 1: round pick Banderash, which of the other guys will who

981
00:51:38,480 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 1: might be the star of the preseason out of the

982
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: other guys in the draft picks. I'm gonna say this,

983
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:51,040
Speaker 1: I'm looking he was selected late, and I don't think

984
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 1: it was an afterthought, and I'm surprised he went late.

985
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: But Cedric Wilson might be now he didn't practice this

986
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,040
Speaker 1: last week, you know, and I'm like, oh, please, don't

987
00:52:01,120 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: be that guy, because I need him to be healthy

988
00:52:04,160 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: throughout because I want him to make a run. I

989
00:52:07,320 --> 00:52:09,800
Speaker 1: want him to be like you know how it is, receivers.

990
00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:12,480
Speaker 1: We've been enough training camps where you're watching those receivers.

991
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: They run so much and by the end of it,

992
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,640
Speaker 1: they're just wore down and they can't practice and they

993
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 1: don't look good, and they know the rookie wall and

994
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,560
Speaker 1: all that. But I want to see Cedric Wilson because

995
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: I think there's talent there. I think that he got

996
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 1: I think he got underdrafted where his position was. I

997
00:52:30,000 --> 00:52:31,520
Speaker 1: kind of felt like he was more like a fourth

998
00:52:31,600 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: round guy for them to grab him in the sixth.

999
00:52:34,040 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: Just need him to stay and need those legs to

1000
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: keep being fresh, needing to be out there catching balls,

1001
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 1: doing whatever he can to make this team. But I'm

1002
00:52:41,000 --> 00:52:44,600
Speaker 1: kind of with all the muddled wide receiver spot, kind

1003
00:52:44,640 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 1: of thinking about maybe that might be a guy that

1004
00:52:47,360 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 1: kind of jumps in there with some of his play,

1005
00:52:49,680 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: and I think he's probably got the nature to play

1006
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:55,480
Speaker 1: special teams too. Right, we mentioned Noah Brown, you had

1007
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 1: brought him up. That's one of the reasons why he

1008
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,000
Speaker 1: made it last year. I mean, he was a seven

1009
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,719
Speaker 1: round pick. I'm still not sold on him as a

1010
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:07,839
Speaker 1: wide receiver. That's fair. And it wasn't just Cedric Wilson too.

1011
00:53:08,160 --> 00:53:11,120
Speaker 1: Deontay Thompson missed last week also, so both you know,

1012
00:53:11,160 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 1: the wide receivers are starting to show the wear and

1013
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,960
Speaker 1: tear of the right of these otash. I don't know

1014
00:53:17,000 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: if this is under the radar or whatever, but I

1015
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,640
Speaker 1: just think Michael Gallup is going to make a huge

1016
00:53:22,680 --> 00:53:25,919
Speaker 1: impression on this team before it's all said and done.

1017
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:27,960
Speaker 1: You can see it on the field. You can see

1018
00:53:27,960 --> 00:53:31,200
Speaker 1: the talent, explosive guy. I'm with you there. I want

1019
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:33,520
Speaker 1: to see if Dalton Schultz can challenge these other two

1020
00:53:34,120 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: tight ends, though, because Jeff Swain is solid, I think

1021
00:53:37,719 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: they feel good about him as a VET, a young vet.

1022
00:53:41,040 --> 00:53:44,239
Speaker 1: Blake jarn was really shown up too. Yeah, and but

1023
00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: I think they really like Schultz's potential as an all

1024
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: around guy. I think They've got some young athleticism at

1025
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 1: the tight end spot, including Schultz as a big twelve guy.

1026
00:53:51,880 --> 00:53:56,279
Speaker 1: Bill Armstrong do anything for you, you you know. I mean

1027
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,560
Speaker 1: I didn't notice him because he played for Kansas, right,

1028
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: you'd usually it had the time it's over. But leading

1029
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:05,880
Speaker 1: up to the draft, and especially after the Cowboys drafted

1030
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: him and then going back and looking at him, I

1031
00:54:08,200 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 1: mean the Oklahoma tackle he beat him a couple of

1032
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:15,560
Speaker 1: times for sacks Brown Orlando Brown, right, Connor Williams and

1033
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 1: gave us success against against him. So he flashed and

1034
00:54:20,560 --> 00:54:23,200
Speaker 1: you know, see, that's if they could. There's a lot

1035
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: of questions about the defensive end position. We named a

1036
00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,319
Speaker 1: bunch of guys kid is Is Doran and they and

1037
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 1: they thought a lot about him. I mean, they're talking

1038
00:54:31,600 --> 00:54:33,759
Speaker 1: about trading up. We were thinking, oh, they're trading up

1039
00:54:33,840 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: for the safety to various more. You know, when we

1040
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: were doing the draft coverage, I was like, they're trying

1041
00:54:38,480 --> 00:54:40,120
Speaker 1: to get back in this draft. They're trying to get more.

1042
00:54:40,160 --> 00:54:42,360
Speaker 1: They want to get the safety here. But they were

1043
00:54:42,400 --> 00:54:43,839
Speaker 1: trading up for They're trying to get it back in

1044
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: for Armstrong. And so that kind of tells you a

1045
00:54:47,040 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: lot of what they thought about Armstrong as a player.

1046
00:54:50,239 --> 00:54:52,319
Speaker 1: And I know it kind of bothers me a little bit.

1047
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:53,920
Speaker 1: I didn't talk about him, but I just look, I'm

1048
00:54:53,960 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 1: looking at I'm just looking at with the situation of

1049
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: the wide receiver and thinking that Cedric Wilson might be

1050
00:54:58,560 --> 00:54:59,920
Speaker 1: one of those guys when you keep an eye on.

1051
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 1: Here's another guy to keep an eye on. Bo Scarborough

1052
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Speaker 1: seventh round draft pick running back. How in the world

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Speaker 1: he lasted all the way to the seventh round. The

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Speaker 1: reason I say that, I was listening to Sirius NFL

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Speaker 1: radio and Phil Savage was on there last week. Phil

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Speaker 1: Savage does Alabama radio. Yeah, Alama Radio. So he's watched

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Speaker 1: him throughout his career and he mentioned Bo Scarborough could

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Speaker 1: not believe because he says he's a second or third

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Speaker 1: round talent and slipped all the way to the seventh round.

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Speaker 1: He didn't go into details on why he thought he

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Speaker 1: may have done that. Obviously Downhill doesn't have special teams value.

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Speaker 1: There's that day. But see that's where if you talk

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Speaker 1: to Keith O'Quinn, like, and I know, Mickey, I'm sorry

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Speaker 1: I didn't see your Keith O'Quinn interview, but you know

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Speaker 1: if i've heard some whispers that o'quinn's like some people

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Speaker 1: have asked O'Quinn about him as a special teams guy.

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Speaker 1: And in the first practice ever watch in the rookie orientation,

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Speaker 1: they had him playing as the right wing on the

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Speaker 1: punt team. So it's thinking like I'm thinking, like, oh, okay,

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Speaker 1: O'Quinn as least has an idea. As you can see

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Speaker 1: the clips right there, A great job by our staff

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Speaker 1: getting you you know, that's him right there. That's how

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Speaker 1: you block play in the wing. So yeah, they're they're

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Speaker 1: trying to find there's got to be a mental adjustment

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Speaker 1: for him, yeacause in his mindset at Alabama, he is

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Speaker 1: you know, Alabama, look at the great history of the

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Speaker 1: backs that they've had there. They've had Heisman Trophy winning

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Speaker 1: backs and they've come in the league and some have

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Speaker 1: had some great success, and then you've had guys like

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Speaker 1: Richardson that was just god awful. Well he had to

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Speaker 1: split time at running back there and he wasn't a

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Speaker 1: big receiving guy. He was in your face, smash mouth,

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Speaker 1: downhill running back. So can he Yeah? Can he come here?

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Speaker 1: And here's what Savage said. Savage says, if if Zeke

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Speaker 1: goes down or whatever, for any this is a guy

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Speaker 1: that can, he'll He'll have one hundred yard rushing game

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Speaker 1: for you. He's a guy obviously. I think preseason will

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Speaker 1: tell a lot. He's gone. He's gonna have some challenges. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you know Trey Williams, here's a different type back, not

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Speaker 1: that big guy they could play. Kept him around, and

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Speaker 1: they brought back Darius Jackson, who they really liked. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so he better make sure he's ready to go if

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Speaker 1: he's gonna make this fifty three man roster. How many

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Speaker 1: receivers are you keeping? And do you count Tavon Austin

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Speaker 1: eventually as a running back to work the numbers? You know,

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Speaker 1: So there's a lot of things to figure out. House

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Speaker 1: to me, like they lean more towards him as a

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Speaker 1: receiver from now. Yes, although I think he's a guy

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Speaker 1: you're gonna maybe seeing a bunch of different meeting rooms,

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Speaker 1: and he's just kind of like there'll be a challenge.

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Speaker 1: He's just a player. I don't think you make him

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Speaker 1: a wide receiver. I don't think you make them a

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Speaker 1: running back. I think he's not just a special teams guy.

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Speaker 1: He's a player. He's TV Scotland. They said they will

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Speaker 1: put the ball in his hands. Believe me, we are

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Speaker 1: five minutes away from a Jason Garrett Preston already is

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Speaker 1: talking billbo and co is a callow four. Yeah, you

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Speaker 1: have a chance to get better, don't we guess we

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Speaker 1: will next six weeks. This has been a production of

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