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Speaker 1: Ridiculous Crime is a production of iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Elizabeth Saron Burnette.

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Speaker 3: How the heck are you?

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Speaker 4: I am? Sunshine in a cloudy bottle?

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Speaker 3: I like that smile you're wearing.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 3: It's very convincing. It's good. That's why it's so convincing.

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Speaker 3: It looks fresh. So you I got a question for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm here.

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Speaker 3: Did you have a second. Do you know what's ridiculous?

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Speaker 4: I do funny? You should mention ridiculous, spread the wealth,

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Speaker 4: Mcroth the crime dog.

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Speaker 2: Yes, right, take a.

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Speaker 3: Bite out of crime. I remember totally Hamm Smoky the Bear,

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Speaker 3: totally authority figures.

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Speaker 4: I like, are you also a fan of Bisquick pancake mix?

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Speaker 3: My god, I thought we were going to talk about something.

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Speaker 2: Are you a fan of Yes?

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Speaker 3: I am? Well, No, actually I'm not. I'm a fan

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Speaker 3: of Crusty's over biscally dense pancakes.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad you not because we're not going to talk

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Speaker 2: about this wick. We're just talking about mcgraff.

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Speaker 4: There's no crossover, no mashup, no disgusting foods.

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Speaker 3: Producer Dave take a photo of me. I want to

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Speaker 3: see what I look like when I'm just so pleased.

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Speaker 4: I got something ridiculous about mcgrafth the crime dog, or

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Speaker 4: rather the gentleman who played McGruff the crime dog.

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Speaker 3: Like voice at okay, yes, walked around.

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Speaker 2: Eight or maybe he was the one who played the voice.

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Speaker 3: Anyway, imagine the voice.

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Speaker 2: His name was John R. Morales.

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Speaker 4: And he got arrested in twenty eleven, arrested McGruff the

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Speaker 4: crime Dog in Galveston, Texas. Good play to be arrested

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Speaker 4: because a drug sniffing dog smelled pot, smelled the old

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Speaker 4: sticky icky in his car.

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Speaker 2: He was speeding.

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Speaker 4: He got pulled over, okay, and so they looked through

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Speaker 4: the car and they found diagrams of two indoor pot

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Speaker 4: growing operations and then a bunch of seeds. Because he

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Speaker 4: was just like he was a big operation, a parent.

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Speaker 3: Okay. So he wasn't breaking into these places. He was

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Speaker 3: going into seeding these places.

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Speaker 4: They were his places. So he had like he had

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Speaker 4: his blueprints, he had his seat. It's like, how I

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Speaker 4: have like that little notebook that has the layout of

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Speaker 4: my garden beds that's planted.

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Speaker 2: Well he had that.

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Speaker 3: Wait, this is the naughty two thousand naughties, right, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: twenty eleven twenty eleven after that.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, and so they so the police, they're like,

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Speaker 2: let's go to his house. I bet she was so

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Speaker 2: fun there scorated, And.

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Speaker 4: So they they take the dog, they go to the house.

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Speaker 4: They seized one thousand marijuana plants okay, nine thousand rounds

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Speaker 4: of ammunitions, and twenty seven weapons, which included a grenade launcher.

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Speaker 3: Wow. Yeah, and he really is about that life. I'm

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Speaker 3: going to protect my business.

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Speaker 4: I guess since three years after his arrest he pleaded

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Speaker 4: guilty and he was sentenced to sixteen years in jail,

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Speaker 4: sixteen and it was he was a non violent I mean,

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Speaker 4: he had weapons.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure he had not used them.

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Speaker 2: He hadn't used them.

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Speaker 4: In the commission, the judge said, quote, everything I read

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Speaker 4: about you makes you seem like a scary person.

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Speaker 3: Well, don't be to a judgmental judge.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, judge you much.

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Speaker 3: So.

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Speaker 4: Anyway, a couple of people sent this to us, And

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Speaker 4: I don't know if it's maybe he got a prison

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Speaker 4: or whatever, but so McGruff the crime dog.

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Speaker 2: Ridiculous, is ridiculous, iron having the.

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Speaker 4: Human inside or voicing it, being like.

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Speaker 3: A busted by a crime dog, by a crime.

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Speaker 4: Dog, also being a crime, like, you know, crimer basically.

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Speaker 4: Uh yeah, so that is, as we say in the business, ridiculous, ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: So, Lizabeth, I got one for you. Yeah, it does

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Speaker 3: not involve uh it does. It actually involves the law

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Speaker 3: and animals and people in furs suits. Oh yeah, so

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Speaker 3: conventions and airport hotels. Okay, right, that's ridiculous, especially though

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Speaker 3: if everyone's dressed as a cartoon animal.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, are you okay?

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Speaker 5: Yeah, this is ridiculous crime A podcast about absurd and

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Speaker 5: outrageous capers. He and cons It's always ninety nine percent

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Speaker 5: order of free and one hundred percent ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: Yay, Elizabeth ar furries?

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Speaker 2: Yeah you never heard of thought? You were going to

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Speaker 3: Yes, you know what they are? Right, hold that thought.

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Speaker 3: Bronie's what about Bronie? Have you ever heard of them?

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Speaker 2: I've heard of them?

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Speaker 3: Okay. Do you know the difference between a bronie and

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Speaker 3: a furry?

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Speaker 4: Well, Bronie is it's just my little pony. Correct, and

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Speaker 4: furries could be any kind of very good Woodland animated creature.

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Speaker 3: A Bronie may be a furry, but a furry need

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Speaker 3: not be Yeah, Bronie, Yeah, there it is okay, So

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Speaker 3: we'll start with the Bronie because I have a little

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Speaker 3: more experience with them. I'm sorry, what, Yeah, I have

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Speaker 3: a little more experience that this is going to be

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Speaker 3: our gateweight drug to the wonderful wide world of Furris

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Speaker 3: Elizabethe no, but I wish I could be like, Okay,

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Speaker 3: I'm going to share with you today, here's the big reveal.

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Speaker 2: And you turn around and you have one of them.

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Speaker 3: Let me get my sparkle shot pats.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you got one of them.

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Speaker 3: Tails exactly like bushy tail that comes up with an arch.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like those shoes that look like hoofs.

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Speaker 3: If I was I would have the dopest tail. I'm

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Speaker 3: telling you, I believe it. Forget a man, I want

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Speaker 3: a tail. All right, Well, Bronie's they can essentially be

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Speaker 3: summed up in one sentence.

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Speaker 2: Okay, let's hear it.

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Speaker 3: They're full on adults who love a little kids cartoon

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Speaker 3: show about the adventures of a group of magical ponies.

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Speaker 4: Yeah right, scientific scientific. I like the scientific term of

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Speaker 4: full on adults.

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Speaker 3: It's very scientific in my world. Basically, they love the

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Speaker 3: reboot of My My Little Pony franchise. There's a reboot

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Speaker 3: of it. Yeah, that's what they love. They don't love

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Speaker 3: the originally, They love the reboots primarily. Now, did I

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Speaker 3: ever tell you about I once went to a Broni convention.

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Speaker 2: No, you did not.

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Speaker 3: It still doesn't make me a Bronie. I was at

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Speaker 3: the convention, but it does not make me a Bernie.

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Speaker 2: Wearing an outfit doesn't. That doesn't make I.

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Speaker 3: They have been wearing hooves. But but I was there

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Speaker 3: working at the time. The time I was writing for Playboy.

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Speaker 3: They would send me on the road for like reporting trips. Right,

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Speaker 3: it was a great job. I loved it, right, gigs

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Speaker 3: with that totally it. I got sent north to the

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Speaker 3: San Francisco Airport Hyatt Regency for a Brony convention.

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Speaker 2: And there, you know the.

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Speaker 3: and then the convention floor that's just filled with songs

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Speaker 3: of my little pony people singing them on like acoustic

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Speaker 3: guitars like that. Yeah, so this is a Brone convention.

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Speaker 3: The idea was I would go there and see what

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Speaker 3: all the fuss was about Men's magazine. We're like, why

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Speaker 3: are these men so into these ponies?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: Why do grown men want to dress up as pink ponies?

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Speaker 3: Essentially the question my editors wanted. That was the angle. Okay,

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Speaker 3: but I got to tell you, Elizabeth, I was surprised

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Speaker 3: by what I found. Really, I was surprised by what

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Speaker 3: I found. I swear to god. You ever been to

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Speaker 3: a fan convention anything like this, comic con, a trecky convention,

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Speaker 3: a chili concarne.

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Speaker 2: I can't say I have. I've been to a chili cookoff.

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Speaker 3: Well, chili con carney, that's for red Hot Chili Peppers.

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Speaker 3: I just made that up exactly. I threw that one

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Speaker 3: in there just for fun. Anyway, Bronie's they're a hardcore fandom,

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Speaker 3: right so they're more intense than Swifties. Don't send me

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Speaker 3: heat mail. They're more creative than trekkies, about the more

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Speaker 3: loyal than Rihanna's Navy and the Beehive combined. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: know even possible. What I found was they were super friendly,

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Speaker 3: about as like a used car salesman, like sizing up

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Speaker 3: your pocket. But it wasn't. They didn't make me uncomfortable.

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Speaker 3: They just had this like odd familiarity because they're like

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Speaker 3: just on he's trying to be really engaging. It's that

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Speaker 3: without the agenda of being. It's the same kind of

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Speaker 3: like you're just extra.

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Speaker 4: You know how Like care Bears from the same era,

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Speaker 4: they're all about loving, totally loving people and being that

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Speaker 4: were my Little Pony?

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Speaker 3: Was that the same kind and the new in the

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Speaker 3: reboot definitely they pushed that, right, So it's all about friendship.

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Speaker 3: Friendship is magic is one of the crazy Okay, now

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Speaker 3: it is. It's magical. Elizabeth does stuff. So but they

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Speaker 3: really push this idea of positivity, but not like like,

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Speaker 3: oh it's plur man like you'll find like in Rave

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Speaker 3: community plur It doesn't matter. It's an acronym for positivity, love.

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Speaker 3: I think unity and radiation radiation raving anyway, I forget

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Speaker 3: the R, but basically it's an acronym. Then in like

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Speaker 3: the Dance and EDM, community is like being. It's a

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Speaker 3: it's a way of saying, we're all community. Let's be

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Speaker 3: about love guys. Right, So imagine like if you totally

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Speaker 3: it's the same. People keep trying to come up with

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Speaker 3: different stuff the way to say it anyway, these people

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Speaker 3: is what I'm saying. Right, There's this one guy spoke

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Speaker 3: with Elizabeth. The dude was wearing wings, right, two tone

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Speaker 3: he was like he wasn't a Yeah he was a

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Speaker 3: he was in a unicorn pegasus. Anyway, he passed while

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Speaker 3: I was waiting in line for a presentation called My

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Speaker 3: Little Pony and the Symbolism of the Tarot. Now, so

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Speaker 3: after that talk, I caught up with him.

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Speaker 2: I want to know who had to put in the

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Speaker 2: abstract to give that.

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Speaker 3: You should have seen all these like they had so

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Speaker 3: many of the like I could just sit here for

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Speaker 3: the next hour. Yeah, we would just be like, let's

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Speaker 3: talk about the lineup of speakers. It was amazing, right,

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Speaker 3: So there I am at My Little Pony and the

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Speaker 3: Symbolism the Tarot talk. Afterwards, I catch up to him.

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Speaker 3: Dude's name tells me his name is Frank. He's also

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Speaker 3: in the talk, right, so no, he tells me how

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Speaker 3: he's been into my little pony for like a year

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Speaker 3: and a half. Now he's dressed in full purple, the

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Speaker 3: wings everything, year and a half deep into it, he's

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Speaker 3: already boom, like full convert. Yeah, he has a friend

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Speaker 3: with him and Frank's friend. He's even more chatty than Frank,

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Speaker 3: thank god, because I'm a reporter and he's somebody give

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Speaker 3: me answers, right, So he's answering my questions about how

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Speaker 3: they've been into other fandoms, like oh yeah, like, hey,

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Speaker 3: you guys like like fandoms the guys and so Frank's

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Speaker 3: friend Dave, he's like this more resembles the anime fandom

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Speaker 3: and the furry fandom, but more combined in a new way. Okay, right,

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Speaker 3: and like thanks Dave, way to lay it out now, Dave,

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Speaker 3: he speaks like a shy metal head teen right, So

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Speaker 3: imagine like.

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Speaker 3: I was like, WHOA, yeah, exactly, Elizabeth, whoa these dudes

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Speaker 3: So then I spot this guy, right, I'm like, I

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Speaker 3: And I spot this guy. He's wearing a suit and

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Speaker 3: Or I think more fairly, he looks like he could

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Speaker 3: Like he's just a little like you kind of trust him,

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Speaker 3: Bronis often find their way into the fandom because they

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Speaker 3: So he tells me how I still work a day job,

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Speaker 3: And I asked him, like, dude, your wife are Bernie

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Speaker 2: Well, like, is Bronie just a man's thing or is

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Speaker 3: Some women they're all Bronies. They No, there's not like

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Speaker 4: Well, yeah, I thought it was like bros.

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Speaker 3: She tells me she wasn't there, but he tells me

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Speaker 3: So I'm like, okay, so what does that mean, right?

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Speaker 3: And he's like, well, she's a Harry Potter person.

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Speaker 3: I'm like she looked down on you as a Bronie

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Speaker 3: I mean like this is like Catholics looking down on

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Speaker 3: So anyway, he tells me she's very supportive of everything

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Speaker 3: So it seems like that's a key to a happy marriage,

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Speaker 3: So my whole point is, after spending the weekend with

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Speaker 3: It did about how support and community can make young men,

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Speaker 4: And they're not putting like anger and toxicity out there

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Speaker 3: I liked how the brownies were inspired by femininity, not

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Speaker 2: I realized I have been to a convention.

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Speaker 3: Oh what's your convention?

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Speaker 3: And I was like, Okay, you guys are taking a

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Speaker 3: way to put it, right, but I'll put it in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they call those their first sona as in their

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Speaker 7: Oh boy, and we're back all right, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 3: I got a pop quiz question for you.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, pop quiz hot shot.

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Speaker 3: When do you think furries became a thing?

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Speaker 2: I want to say in the nineties, earlier eighties?

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Speaker 3: Yes, eighties, nineteen eighty three, some say, others say in

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Speaker 3: The eighties. I think maybe like changing materials, something happened

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I don't know what happened.

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Speaker 2: But anyway, high school, did you did you guys have

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, our mascot costume was ridiculous. It was

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Speaker 3: You could buy to like support the schold like basketball

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Speaker 4: Break openxies are the best, like the cheapest.

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Speaker 3: Just nothing. So what about y'all, do you have one?

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Speaker 2: We were the monarchs, like the lions.

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Speaker 4: The yes, okay, it should have been like the butterflies,

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Speaker 2: Because they never did.

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Speaker 3: It was very foam something old.

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Speaker 4: And it was really funny when the taller girls had

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: It had a felt crown. I feel Oh wow, maybe

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Speaker 2: Either way, I like it whatever, it's stank.

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Speaker 3: So nineteen eighty four in the Bay Area, Yeah, stories

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Speaker 3: the stank issue that Elizabeth is been deviled by.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: No, actually, I don't know. I won't even get into that.

439
00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:22,520
Speaker 3: You can just picture that on your own, So let

440
00:19:22,560 --> 00:19:23,360
Speaker 3: me lay out a little.

441
00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:24,399
Speaker 2: Timeline for you, Okay.

442
00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:28,359
Speaker 3: In May of nineteen eighty four, Kevin Eastman and Peter Laird,

443
00:19:28,800 --> 00:19:32,160
Speaker 3: two indie comic book creators. They self published the first

444
00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:35,640
Speaker 3: issue of a landmark comic book, one that would change

445
00:19:35,680 --> 00:19:40,680
Speaker 3: the culture, Batman, Teenage Mutant, Ninja Turtles WHOA. It becomes

446
00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:42,720
Speaker 3: hugely popular, like almost instantly.

447
00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:42,960
Speaker 2: Right.

448
00:19:43,000 --> 00:19:46,160
Speaker 3: The comics feature of these anthropomorphised human animal hybrids who

449
00:19:46,160 --> 00:19:48,800
Speaker 3: are funny, smart, and they're also into the sins and

450
00:19:48,880 --> 00:19:51,760
Speaker 3: vices of adult humans. These og comics, they were very

451
00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:54,800
Speaker 3: different from the later cartoon TV shows and maybe franchises.

452
00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:56,639
Speaker 2: They were dark, right, did not know it was a

453
00:19:56,680 --> 00:19:57,200
Speaker 2: comic book?

454
00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,240
Speaker 3: Oh my god, yeah, cartoon. I actually knew about it

455
00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:01,919
Speaker 3: when it came out as a comic book because of

456
00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,359
Speaker 3: what I'm about to tell you that there was this

457
00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:06,960
Speaker 3: onslaught of imitators, and so I caught up a teenage

458
00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:10,520
Speaker 3: mutant ninja turtle because of the imitators. Okay buried next year,

459
00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:14,480
Speaker 3: starting well in eighty five and eighty six, but mostly

460
00:20:14,520 --> 00:20:17,919
Speaker 3: in eighty six, you get these books like preteen Dirty

461
00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:22,119
Speaker 3: Gene Kung Fu Kangaroos. Right, there's also geriatric gangreen jiu

462
00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:27,080
Speaker 3: Jitsu Gerbils. There's the cold blooded chameleon Commandos. There were

463
00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:33,560
Speaker 3: the mildly microwaved pre pewbescent gophers, microwaved pre pubescent gophers.

464
00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:38,000
Speaker 3: There was also the naive interdimensional commando Koalas, and finally

465
00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:41,000
Speaker 3: the adolescent radioactive black Belt Hamsters, which I think I

466
00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:44,120
Speaker 3: still have a copy of. Really yes, And that same year,

467
00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:46,920
Speaker 3: an indie comic book publisher launched a series called Critters.

468
00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,000
Speaker 3: It lasted fifty issues and it would become this influential

469
00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:53,880
Speaker 3: comic book to the development of furries. Okay, full Confessional Elizabeth.

470
00:20:53,920 --> 00:20:56,439
Speaker 3: I bought some of these comic books, Like, I was

471
00:20:56,480 --> 00:20:59,040
Speaker 3: reading about this fandom when it was happening, right, I

472
00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,040
Speaker 3: was kind of surprised, I know, ever became a furry.

473
00:21:01,280 --> 00:21:03,199
Speaker 3: When I was reading about the timeline, I was like,

474
00:21:03,359 --> 00:21:06,440
Speaker 3: how did I miss all this song happening right around me? Anyway,

475
00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:08,840
Speaker 3: So I bought Critters. I loved that comic book.

476
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Speaker 4: You know, we'll probably get rid of them and they

477
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,159
Speaker 4: go they get them cheap.

478
00:21:14,480 --> 00:21:18,400
Speaker 3: It comes stent yeah, stopper, the ELM. It would be good. Yeah.

479
00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:20,080
Speaker 3: Now you remember I told you I bought a comic

480
00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,040
Speaker 3: book off eBay because it was published with a paper

481
00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:24,800
Speaker 3: thin vinyl forty five record printed in the back of

482
00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:27,200
Speaker 3: the comic. On once it was a blues song about

483
00:21:27,200 --> 00:21:29,119
Speaker 3: a blues band composed of Teddy Bears, and on the

484
00:21:29,160 --> 00:21:31,919
Speaker 3: other side was a dark horror comedy song about what

485
00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:33,720
Speaker 3: ducks are doing at night in the park.

486
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Speaker 2: Some people are like, I can't wait to get paid.

487
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:41,040
Speaker 3: So exactly I found on this issue of Critters. Yeah,

488
00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:43,920
Speaker 3: and the song though that I wanted about the ducks

489
00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,760
Speaker 3: was written by comic book legend Alan Moore. So this was, like,

490
00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,399
Speaker 3: I'm telling you, like deep comic book like history.

491
00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:50,640
Speaker 2: Right.

492
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Speaker 3: There's another one called fish Police that I liked that

493
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,440
Speaker 3: was also about these anthropomorphized fish police who are wait

494
00:21:56,520 --> 00:21:59,920
Speaker 3: for it, police. Yes, it was fish underwater. Everybody's fish,

495
00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:03,240
Speaker 3: but it's police and it's like nineteen fifties nineteen ever.

496
00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:06,160
Speaker 2: Think community has to police itself in some sense exactly.

497
00:22:06,200 --> 00:22:09,359
Speaker 3: So these are these foundational texts for furries, this idea,

498
00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:12,879
Speaker 3: these anthropomorphized animals who act like humans. They're doing the sex,

499
00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:15,520
Speaker 3: they're doing the drugs, they're doing the car crashing, they're

500
00:22:15,560 --> 00:22:17,680
Speaker 3: doing the policing. They're doing all this wrong. And you

501
00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:21,679
Speaker 3: don't always see in comic books previously, like yeah, the Casper,

502
00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 3: the ghost era of anthropomorphized humans. They were like silly,

503
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:27,119
Speaker 3: cuddly creatures. They were like I gotta get to my

504
00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 3: job and I'm getting divorced. You know, that's way these

505
00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:33,440
Speaker 3: comic books had, right. So anyway, this leads to these

506
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,600
Speaker 3: fur clad chaos eventually. So how do we get from

507
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:40,440
Speaker 3: one to the other. Well, there was the furry events

508
00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:42,160
Speaker 3: because first as they tell you that the comic books,

509
00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:44,760
Speaker 3: and then people are like, oh, at the comic cons

510
00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 3: at the comic book festivals, they start going, I want

511
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,359
Speaker 3: to get these they get they start building energy around

512
00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 3: certain comic.

513
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Speaker 2: Books, and then gritty ones exactly.

514
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:54,120
Speaker 3: The gritty animal one. So eventually you have a furry

515
00:22:54,119 --> 00:22:58,679
Speaker 3: event event at a comic book convention, right, and the

516
00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 3: first one is the Prancings Gil Tear Party. It was

517
00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 3: quote the first publicized open funny animal fan party. This

518
00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 3: is all their language. I went to like first science

519
00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,119
Speaker 3: dot com to find this stuff. I wanted to speak

520
00:23:10,119 --> 00:23:13,119
Speaker 3: in their language. Right, So s this furry animal party.

521
00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:16,600
Speaker 3: It goes down where in a fan convention in Sacramento.

522
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:20,760
Speaker 3: Hell yeah, nineteen eighty five. Wow, you were there, So

523
00:23:21,160 --> 00:23:23,680
Speaker 3: not at the convention, but in Sacramento. Now one year

524
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,000
Speaker 3: to the teenage mutant Ninja turtles hit. This is all

525
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 3: this energy's going, right. So this first official furry party

526
00:23:29,080 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 3: gets held in San Diego at the Sci Fi and

527
00:23:31,560 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 3: Comics Convention down there.

528
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Speaker 2: Right, it's like the big one.

529
00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,840
Speaker 3: Right, Well, the comic con was down there back daddy exactly, Coasta,

530
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:39,919
Speaker 3: Mesa and San Diego. These like the big one. So

531
00:23:40,240 --> 00:23:45,000
Speaker 3: the furry party's flyers publicizing this party, they luridly featured

532
00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 3: quote funny animal pin up art, so imagine like sexy

533
00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:52,879
Speaker 3: cats and foxes exactly, hubba hubb of like Vixen's with

534
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:57,439
Speaker 3: bazoom so perfect. You know this. So this first furry

535
00:23:57,480 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 3: party gives the fandom its name. Oh right, and it's

536
00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:02,520
Speaker 3: reputation for adult.

537
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Speaker 4: Themes, right right, yeah, because it's not just oh I

538
00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:06,760
Speaker 4: like to wear these costumes.

539
00:24:06,760 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 3: No, it's always like sexy.

540
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 2: It's not safe for work exactly, there's this extra edge.

541
00:24:12,000 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's like anyway, nineteen ninety Furries they hold

542
00:24:14,880 --> 00:24:19,719
Speaker 3: their first all furry convention. Same year in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania,

543
00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:23,960
Speaker 3: a group of Carnegie Mellon students found the Furry Home

544
00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,760
Speaker 3: at Squirrel Hill. No relation to them being furries, just

545
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 3: the name of the hill, but anyway, it's a home

546
00:24:29,720 --> 00:24:33,000
Speaker 3: for furries, the furry Friendly Student Communist. It is the

547
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 3: first one ever established house last for four years as

548
00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 3: a safe place for these like furry Carnegie Mellon students.

549
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 3: Now around that same time, across the pond over in

550
00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:45,359
Speaker 3: the UK, in nineteen ninety two, Ian Curtis in Vice

551
00:24:45,480 --> 00:24:48,960
Speaker 3: British Furries to gather with a band of visiting US

552
00:24:49,080 --> 00:24:52,560
Speaker 3: furries and the two fandoms party together at Ian Curtis's

553
00:24:52,600 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 3: home in Surrey, England. And in case you're confused, Elizabeth,

554
00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:58,760
Speaker 3: it's not that Ian Curtis not the Joy Division lead singer.

555
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 3: He was no longer nineteen eighty. Yeah, he's definitely gone.

556
00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,000
Speaker 3: He wasn't like, oh, he faked his death and he's

557
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,080
Speaker 3: now become a furs. I thought you were trying to

558
00:25:07,160 --> 00:25:10,159
Speaker 3: different Ian Curtis, and he's considered the godfather of British

559
00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 3: furris anyway, according to WikiFur dot com. Because as I

560
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:14,800
Speaker 3: told you, I think it's important that we have these

561
00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:16,160
Speaker 3: people tell you who they are.

562
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:17,760
Speaker 2: Saron, you're a journalist.

563
00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 3: It's what I do, Elizabeth, I ask questions.

564
00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:23,120
Speaker 2: So I asked dot com their sources.

565
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, who is this Ian Curtis who is not the

566
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Speaker 3: Joy Division singer, And they're like, oh, he's a true

567
00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 3: British eccentric And WikiFur dot com put it and I

568
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:35,040
Speaker 3: quote delighting in the absurd. Ian was a furry war gamer,

569
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:38,680
Speaker 3: modeler and a contributor writer to the military press, doing

570
00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 3: research for the Jane's Weapons and other military periodicals of

571
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 3: its kind. So this guy's like deep in all these communities, right,

572
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,400
Speaker 3: he's making little models for like the Battles of Waterloo

573
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:49,840
Speaker 3: and stuff.

574
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, but it's he's got like the model and like

575
00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,680
Speaker 4: the collector aspect of them. But like the military and

576
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 4: the furry is calling me back to the Navy guys

577
00:25:58,920 --> 00:25:59,720
Speaker 4: being Bronie.

578
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 3: Yes, it's interesting.

579
00:26:01,680 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 2: There's a very interesting connection.

580
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 3: The traditional male who wants to like Also, I don't

581
00:26:06,440 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 3: know what it is.

582
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,359
Speaker 4: What do you think I think that they're you know,

583
00:26:10,400 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna say I've done all the research on it,

584
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,680
Speaker 4: and there is a genetic component that they've been able

585
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:19,920
Speaker 4: to isolate a component six eight.

586
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,480
Speaker 2: Yes, and see that's my journalist.

587
00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:27,360
Speaker 3: Well this duty and Curtis he would and I quote

588
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 3: would without or with friends, attended weird tests of British

589
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 3: war machinery and gatted about servying old battlefields and clambering

590
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:40,159
Speaker 3: through their ruins. I love this guy. This dude sounds

591
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:42,359
Speaker 3: fun right. He's like my kind of guy. He's our

592
00:26:42,480 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 3: kind of guy. Right now, lately you may have heard

593
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 3: some talk with furries in the press. They've been popping

594
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,920
Speaker 3: up because you can basically blame Congresswoman Laura and Bobert.

595
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 3: In twenty twenty two, the Colorado congresswoman was speaking on

596
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,000
Speaker 3: luncheon for the group Mesa County Republican Women, and Bobert

597
00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 3: said in her prepared remark for that day, just one

598
00:27:01,680 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 3: week earlier, she'd received at her congressional office, Elizabeth a

599
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:06,800
Speaker 3: phone call. What was his phone call? Was from a

600
00:27:06,840 --> 00:27:09,440
Speaker 3: father Elizabeth, and the father wanted help. Why do you

601
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,119
Speaker 3: want help, Elizabeth because his kid was in trouble? What

602
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 3: kind of troubles, Aaron, great question, Elizabeth. The kid was

603
00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 3: in trouble for quote, stepping on a furry This is

604
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 3: what she said in speech. In speech, now, I don't

605
00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:23,679
Speaker 3: even know what that means. But Bober went on to

606
00:27:23,680 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 3: clarify her remarks. The congresswoman told the ladies luncheon that quote,

607
00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 3: they are putting litter boxes in schools for people who

608
00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:34,560
Speaker 3: identify as cats. Durango is doing this. This is how

609
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,440
Speaker 3: extreme it is. And Durango is a city in Colorado. Now,

610
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:39,880
Speaker 3: just to clear the air, whatever she's claiming is not true,

611
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,280
Speaker 3: because schools in Colorado are not putting out litter boxes

612
00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:47,640
Speaker 3: for students to identify as cats. Now. Of course, Carlos Luise,

613
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:51,119
Speaker 3: the Durango School District's public information officer, confirmed this, and

614
00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,280
Speaker 3: Slewi said and I quote absolutely not true, and added

615
00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 3: that it's important that real facts are shared and we

616
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:01,040
Speaker 3: appreciate the opportunity to clarify what's not true. Respect that game.

617
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,600
Speaker 3: That's why I'm going out out there quote in WikiFur

618
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,800
Speaker 3: dot com. I want the fact. So what are the

619
00:28:06,800 --> 00:28:09,800
Speaker 3: facts of furries and they're growing popularity, Elizabeth. According to

620
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:14,159
Speaker 3: first science dot Com and I quote, furry fandom is

621
00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 3: an inclusive term that describes the communities of furries that

622
00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 3: span online, local, and international settings. The furry fandom is global,

623
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Speaker 3: with hundreds of local groups existing worldwide and dozens of

624
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,960
Speaker 3: conventions held annually. But there's layers to this, Elizabeth. In

625
00:28:29,080 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 3: the half imagined land of furries, about quote ten percent

626
00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,679
Speaker 3: of the furries call themselves varians, and they claim to

627
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:39,520
Speaker 3: be quote less than or more than one hundred percent human,

628
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,800
Speaker 3: as in, they are quote an animal trapped in a

629
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Speaker 3: human body or were an animal in a former life

630
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Speaker 3: end quote. Then there is another subset of furries. They're

631
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Speaker 3: called other kin. Now they feel they are quote spiritually

632
00:28:52,320 --> 00:28:55,240
Speaker 3: connected to non human species, but the species extend to

633
00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 3: mystical species such as dragons, griffins, and minotaurs. Now for

634
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 3: some demographic breakdown, Elizabeth, back to firstscience dot com, quote,

635
00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 3: more than seventy five percent of furries are under the

636
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:09,200
Speaker 3: age of twenty five. Approximately eighty four percent of furries

637
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 3: identify as male, thirteen percent female, and two point five

638
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 3: percent are transgender. That means Elizabeth. Furries are and I

639
00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 3: quote predominantly eighty three point two percent white, and I

640
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:25,160
Speaker 3: quote approximately one third identifies exclusively heterosexual. Furries are about

641
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,240
Speaker 3: five times more likely to identify as exclusively homosexual than

642
00:29:28,280 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 3: the general population. In other words, furries are predominantly young,

643
00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 3: white gay men. Okay, so there's one major factor. Quote.

644
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 3: When compared to a control group, furries were significantly more

645
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 3: likely to have a history of being physically and verbally bullied.

646
00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 3: And lastly, most importantly, and I quote, approximately seventy percent

647
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 3: say that they have told almost no one that they

648
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 3: see in their day to day life e g. Work.

649
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 3: Approximately sixty percent of furries agreed that they felt prejudiced

650
00:29:53,360 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 3: against furries from society, while approximately forty percent of furries

651
00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 3: felt that being a furry was not socially acceptable. So now,

652
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,960
Speaker 3: when these young gay white men seek help from counselors

653
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 3: and therapists and need to report that they are a furry,

654
00:30:06,280 --> 00:30:08,520
Speaker 3: this is often seen as proof of a problem. So

655
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:10,960
Speaker 3: at first science dot Com they report and a quote.

656
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:14,000
Speaker 3: Most furries represent themselves and interact with the fandom, using

657
00:30:14,000 --> 00:30:19,400
Speaker 3: personas that represent idealized versions of themselves, usually more outgoing sociable, extroverted,

658
00:30:19,440 --> 00:30:22,920
Speaker 3: and confident than themselves. So it is the first sona

659
00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 3: literally is a persona in.

660
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 2: First sure, right, so an avatar?

661
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,080
Speaker 3: Yes, it's like yes, like Beyonce has Sasha Fears, right,

662
00:30:29,200 --> 00:30:30,760
Speaker 3: they have like Kitty Fears.

663
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, and what's his name, Chris Gaines?

664
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:34,360
Speaker 3: Yes, exactly.

665
00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:36,480
Speaker 4: Now, what I think is curious is that the bulk

666
00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:38,960
Speaker 4: of them, the hard majority of them, are under the

667
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 4: age of twenty five, which means their brains haven't fully developed.

668
00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:45,840
Speaker 2: That as well good things. Keep in mind all this escapism, though.

669
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 4: You look at someone who totally feels not accepted in society. Now,

670
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:51,120
Speaker 4: when you get into that thing though, with like the

671
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 4: ones who think they really are.

672
00:30:53,360 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 3: Yes, but also, you know what happens with a human being.

673
00:30:55,760 --> 00:30:58,400
Speaker 2: You can't coddle that. You have to nip it in

674
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 2: the butt. And I know I'm gonna upset them, but

675
00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,440
Speaker 2: you know whatever, I'm gonna nip it in the bud

676
00:31:02,480 --> 00:31:03,880
Speaker 2: for you. Let's get this right.

677
00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 4: You got to stop that wichends what you mean by

678
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 4: identify You know what I mean now, I'm talking about

679
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 4: the ones who really believe that they're like the party

680
00:31:10,280 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 4: elf or whatever.

681
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 3: When you get to the science of like I'm partmnotar.

682
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 2: Sixty percent fox, and you know.

683
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 3: You're not doing yourself an any favorite stop it. Yeah,

684
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 3: I don't mind. I mean not to like pull up

685
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,000
Speaker 3: from the indigenous like a spirit animal, but following the

686
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 3: idea that you can be drawn to a thing, I mean.

687
00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 2: We all, we all have affinities for things connected or

688
00:31:29,240 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 2: if you.

689
00:31:29,480 --> 00:31:32,400
Speaker 3: Try to say like you are a thing, stop it anyway.

690
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 3: Now that you have a sense of who furries are, right,

691
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:40,720
Speaker 3: and how they come about and why they came about,

692
00:31:40,760 --> 00:31:43,160
Speaker 3: and how they are different from Broni's which can be

693
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:44,920
Speaker 3: a bit confusing for some, which is why I want

694
00:31:44,960 --> 00:31:47,600
Speaker 3: to draw that out for you, right, and also remember

695
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 3: what happens when a human being puts on a mask.

696
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 2: Are these people? Is their crime just being annoying to me?

697
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 3: Nope, I'm gonna I want you to get ready for

698
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 3: Rain first twenty fifteen. Rain First. That's the story I

699
00:31:58,120 --> 00:31:59,520
Speaker 3: came here to tell you about today.

700
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 2: Elizabeth, So I have all the background knowledge.

701
00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I wanted you to deeply understand that because this

702
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:04,560
Speaker 3: is something I need to content.

703
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 2: Oh you can't, I'm getting that.

704
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 3: I want at least going there and making fun of

705
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 3: these people.

706
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 4: I'm getting that you can't just be dropped into this

707
00:32:09,920 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 4: like you need that as well. Now you may not

708
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 4: go into it making fun of these.

709
00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 3: Yes, you can do whatever you want.

710
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 2: That's much.

711
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, buckle up, Buttercup. So this is a

712
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 3: fan con for furries held in Washington State at a

713
00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,080
Speaker 3: Hilton Hotel out by the c Tech Airport. Okay, Elizabeth,

714
00:32:23,120 --> 00:32:26,880
Speaker 3: this event Rainforest. It turned into an absolute poop show.

715
00:32:27,400 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 6: Now.

716
00:32:27,680 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 3: It all went down like six months before I hit

717
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:32,040
Speaker 3: up that Broni con in San Francisco. Oh okay, So

718
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,760
Speaker 3: I didn't know that about Rainforest at the time, but

719
00:32:34,840 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 3: many of the Bronis kept mentioning this, So I kept

720
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:38,640
Speaker 3: hearing about it, but I had not come up in

721
00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:40,320
Speaker 3: my research because I'm only looking into Bronie's.

722
00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,320
Speaker 2: We were all scratch scratched, so exactly right.

723
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 3: And they're all worried that this would make them look bad.

724
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:49,080
Speaker 3: And I was like, what happened? So yeah, exactly, you're

725
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 3: ready to punch your ticket for rain First twenty fifteen.

726
00:32:52,240 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 3: We step inside the madness anyway. The event starts in

727
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 3: two thousand and eight, right the Rainforest first ones. It

728
00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 3: gets attended by three hundred and seventy furs. The next year,

729
00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 3: five hundred and ninety nine first show up. By twenty fifteen,

730
00:33:04,880 --> 00:33:07,240
Speaker 3: the attendance to climb to twenty seven hundred and four

731
00:33:07,360 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 3: firs not bad, right, They're doing good. Problem was that

732
00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:12,400
Speaker 3: many of those nearly three thousand people who came to

733
00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 3: Rainforest in twenty fifteen, they'd also come for the special

734
00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:20,120
Speaker 3: vibe that was Rainforest. What is this special vibe? Great question, Elizabeth.

735
00:33:20,120 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 3: The convention was known in the furry community for being

736
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 3: the most lenient about convention protocols and regulations. The organizers

737
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:32,080
Speaker 3: also very tolerant of extreme fetishes, the sort of fetishes

738
00:33:32,120 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 3: that are regularly banned at other furry conventions, and for

739
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:39,680
Speaker 3: good reason. The reason was kids also attend these cons

740
00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 3: Like this isn't just adult stuff. When you have furries.

741
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 3: Some of there are kids like under eighteen teens, some

742
00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 3: of them are down to like tenth. Mostly it is

743
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 3: for the adults, so they need to have like adults

744
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:54,239
Speaker 3: only versions or like you know, all ages cons. They

745
00:33:54,240 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 3: don't think about that, they just have a con right,

746
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 3: so you can't have kids running around, But while you

747
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 3: these half naked like slutty pandas and stripper foxes. Right,

748
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:06,880
Speaker 3: that barely scratches the surfaces of what we're what these

749
00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:09,840
Speaker 3: attendees were doing at Rainforest. I'm just using. Oh yeah,

750
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:13,880
Speaker 3: it got way stranger cleaned it and far more soiled

751
00:34:14,040 --> 00:34:16,640
Speaker 3: the thing was Elizabeth. Rainforest had a reputation for being

752
00:34:16,680 --> 00:34:18,719
Speaker 3: a place to party and cut loose like act a

753
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 3: little wild, let your animal side out. Pardon the pun

754
00:34:22,200 --> 00:34:24,319
Speaker 3: that laisse fair attitude would come to be the fan

755
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:25,680
Speaker 3: conventions undoing.

756
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:26,280
Speaker 2: Okay.

757
00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:30,239
Speaker 3: The theme for Rainforest twenty fifteen was Swords and Sorcery.

758
00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:37,000
Speaker 3: The announcement was sent forth, Come thou writers, artists, fur suitors, gamers, musicians,

759
00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 3: puppeteers and furries, all lady art here with invited to

760
00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 3: this special time, to a place filled with the fruits

761
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:50,640
Speaker 3: of kinship, mirthfulness, and joy. To a place which verily

762
00:34:50,840 --> 00:34:55,160
Speaker 3: glows with the charm which has truly filled each to

763
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 3: the marrow.

764
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 8: Come and that the joy of life take hold of

765
00:34:59,760 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 8: the as we all do rejoice and are thriving culture together.

766
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 8: So you see that it's so full of itsilf.

767
00:35:07,360 --> 00:35:09,120
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry, but I just can't right.

768
00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 3: So this witch is bruise fully bubbling right now, now,

769
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 3: all that was left to do was to take up

770
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 3: one's cup and drink deeply and merrily from the draft

771
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 3: of life, Elizabeth. So which, like, what does one do

772
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:23,720
Speaker 3: at a furry convention? Leave great question, Elizabeth, You could say,

773
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:26,839
Speaker 3: sign up for the rain First twenty fifteen First Suit

774
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 3: dance competition. Oh boy, keep in mind if you wish

775
00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:31,960
Speaker 3: to compete quote for this competition of first suit is

776
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 3: minimally defined as an animal costume with a full encompassing headpiece, hand, pause,

777
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,480
Speaker 3: and tail. So you need gloves, tail and a head.

778
00:35:39,440 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 2: And then the rest to the imagination.

779
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 3: There was also this suggestion that quote also, please keep

780
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,439
Speaker 3: your music selection friendly for all ages. A good rule

781
00:35:47,480 --> 00:35:49,640
Speaker 3: to follow is is if your music selection would be

782
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,879
Speaker 3: suitable for FM radio airplay. So No two Life Crew

783
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 3: No two Left, Crump No. The dance competition featured judges

784
00:35:55,480 --> 00:35:57,919
Speaker 3: and they were to judge the competitors on criteria such

785
00:35:57,960 --> 00:36:03,920
Speaker 3: as originality, technical difficulty, execution, crowd involvement, and musicality technical difficulty.

786
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 3: The judges would be watching for fancy footwork and throwing

787
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 3: out dance moves no one else has seen before, challenging

788
00:36:08,800 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 3: moves to wow the audience that goes far right, These

789
00:36:11,400 --> 00:36:13,560
Speaker 3: are all what they're telling their people. No, let's say

790
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:16,000
Speaker 3: you wanted you could also attend to talk a seminar.

791
00:36:16,040 --> 00:36:18,360
Speaker 3: There were many on offer. For instance, you could attend

792
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:23,200
Speaker 3: Dogs and Cats living Together writing Erotic Furry Anatomy. Not

793
00:36:23,320 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 3: about how to write erotica for furries. No, not about

794
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:30,160
Speaker 3: how to write for furries, but writing erotic furry anatomy. No,

795
00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:33,360
Speaker 3: it's an anatomy class anyway. It was described as and

796
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 3: I quote tales, claws and feathers. A discussion of how

797
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 3: these and other animalistic physical characteristics fit into an erotic

798
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,640
Speaker 3: scene is something writers need work with.

799
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:42,279
Speaker 2: Elizabeth.

800
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,200
Speaker 3: We both know this, So yeah, you can sit in

801
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 3: on that talk. And you're so inclined now. When the

802
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:49,680
Speaker 3: convention kicked off, it started under a rather dark and

803
00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:52,279
Speaker 3: ominous cloud. Rumors were swirling Elizabeth, to the point that

804
00:36:52,360 --> 00:36:55,040
Speaker 3: the festival organizer had to speak to all the dark talk.

805
00:36:55,320 --> 00:36:58,640
Speaker 3: As one festival director said at the convention's launch ceremony,

806
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 3: I'm absolutely sure there is no truth to the rumor

807
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:06,960
Speaker 3: rain Forest is under an evil curse. And with that,

808
00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:12,360
Speaker 3: it's my pleasure to officially declare rain Forest twenty fifteen open.

809
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,720
Speaker 3: So let's take a little break. Now that we've opened

810
00:37:16,800 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 3: Rainforest and wake it back. I'm gonna make you, I'm

811
00:37:20,080 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 3: gonna push you inside.

812
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:46,200
Speaker 6: No, oh, Elizabeth, rain Forest is open this.

813
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 3: Remember I told you about the dance talent competition. Remember

814
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:50,360
Speaker 3: the judges were looking.

815
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 2: For everything golden doodles.

816
00:37:52,280 --> 00:37:53,640
Speaker 3: Well they did what they tell us. I told you

817
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:54,920
Speaker 3: what they didn't want to hear, what they didn't want

818
00:37:54,920 --> 00:37:57,600
Speaker 3: to see. Well, one contestant, while singing a Lincoln Park track,

819
00:37:57,680 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 3: accidentally flashed a bare crotch show out of the crowd.

820
00:38:00,760 --> 00:38:02,480
Speaker 2: Accidents, and there's like, yeah, there's is.

821
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 3: Like video of it, and it was like it's like oop.

822
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,040
Speaker 3: That was the first day, right, So first night of

823
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:10,280
Speaker 3: the three day, two night convention. The Furries have now arrived.

824
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,319
Speaker 3: They check into the Hilton Hotel. They get settled in

825
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 3: their rooms, they put on their first suits, They adopt

826
00:38:14,880 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 3: their first sonas they go downstairs, they attend the opening ceremony,

827
00:38:18,640 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 3: The dance talent competition happens, They get flashed, They meet

828
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:23,440
Speaker 3: up with their friends on the convention grounds, and then

829
00:38:23,480 --> 00:38:25,920
Speaker 3: as the evening progresses, some of the Furries start to drink.

830
00:38:26,480 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 3: Some drink cheap beer, some drink malt liquor in those

831
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,720
Speaker 3: little canned cocktails. Meanwhile, in the hotel rooms, other furries

832
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:34,799
Speaker 3: are rolling up some smoke and getting high on jazz

833
00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 3: cabbage cigarettes. Elizabeth, They're just like some of the furries

834
00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:41,280
Speaker 3: are pulling out the whippets. They started toughing nitrous oxide balloons.

835
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 2: Oh good, I'm.

836
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,799
Speaker 3: Talking boxes and boxes of whippets. I saw videos and

837
00:38:45,040 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 3: there's like it was full industrial size containers, like two

838
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:49,000
Speaker 3: thousand whippets.

839
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 2: Right, so soon enough like lost brain cells. Oh yeah,

840
00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 2: there's yougres, the crime dog was there.

841
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,719
Speaker 3: I'm most from what you told me, I'm thinking, yeah,

842
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:58,600
Speaker 3: this is maybe.

843
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:04,759
Speaker 2: Everyone just walks around all I'm unique. I'm quirky'nique, I'm quirky,

844
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 2: and you're like, all right, dude, I'm quirkyd Could you

845
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 2: imagine having to work at the hotel?

846
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:13,480
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they start to get loose, right. You got

847
00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 3: to imagine these are animals like imagine college mascot sized

848
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 3: animal routfits, only more cartoonish and more sexy. Now they're

849
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 3: pounding cheap beer. They're pulling out bottles of liquor like

850
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 3: full on, like fists of Southern comfort. They're sipping on

851
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 3: canned cocktails. They're getting sideways, they're getting.

852
00:39:29,280 --> 00:39:31,839
Speaker 2: Twisted a cheap booze. It sounds like.

853
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 3: Totally set up, like it's a proper buzz for like

854
00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:36,239
Speaker 3: a frat house party, only this group of mainly young

855
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,920
Speaker 3: men are all dressed up wearing giant animal heads. So

856
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:39,719
Speaker 3: soon just.

857
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:42,120
Speaker 2: Like sitting there drinking a kampari and soda and like,

858
00:39:42,239 --> 00:39:42,759
Speaker 2: I don't know if.

859
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:47,719
Speaker 3: They're like pulling their head back and drinking. They're like

860
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:48,720
Speaker 3: screened face.

861
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 4: They like there's someone with like a juicy bootied zebra

862
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:57,399
Speaker 4: costume on, like with a you know, shmearing off ice

863
00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,040
Speaker 4: with a silly straw coming out of it.

864
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:00,760
Speaker 2: You know, you know this is how this happens.

865
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 3: Sooner, if you got folks in first suits, passed out

866
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:08,040
Speaker 3: hotel bath ups, they're collapsed in the hallways, they're leaned

867
00:40:08,120 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 3: up against their hotel room door. Some have urinated on themselves. Yeah,

868
00:40:12,840 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 3: they're waiting for someone to come back and let them

869
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:16,480
Speaker 3: in the room or whatever. Now because they're all drunk

870
00:40:16,520 --> 00:40:18,720
Speaker 3: and high. Some are like like they're getting the spins,

871
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 3: but they're in an animal costume. They're like, yeah, it's bad, right,

872
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:25,920
Speaker 3: they're vomiting through animal costumes. Now if you would turn

873
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:28,719
Speaker 3: a corner and see someone just having puke leaking pad

874
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,880
Speaker 3: of like they're like, I don't know, fox face masks,

875
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 3: those eyes really need to sit down for a moment, right,

876
00:40:33,600 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 3: So pivot some more time and now you got folks yacking,

877
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 3: right and then some as I said, now they're passing out. Now.

878
00:40:40,280 --> 00:40:42,600
Speaker 3: Then some are half in their first sona half out.

879
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:46,560
Speaker 3: So you got like headless animals, like some just everywhere

880
00:40:46,600 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 3: you go. Right. Some disabled their smoke detectors in their

881
00:40:49,040 --> 00:40:51,719
Speaker 3: hotel rooms. They start smoking pots. Now they you got

882
00:40:51,760 --> 00:40:54,120
Speaker 3: to smoke leaking out into the hallway. So everything just

883
00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 3: smells like pod and like malt liquor. Right, So, Elizabeth,

884
00:40:57,480 --> 00:41:00,319
Speaker 3: this scene is basically a multi story frat part in

885
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 3: an airport Hilton hotel.

886
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 4: This one, if you didn't know it was going on,

887
00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:09,279
Speaker 4: and like your office bookshoot because you're going on some

888
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 4: sort of trip and.

889
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, you're just like there for like a get to

890
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 3: know you meet and greet with some like sleep in

891
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:19,760
Speaker 3: the car, some tech company you're going over to meet Microsoft.

892
00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 3: You have the Seattle Tech right, yeah, you know, and

893
00:41:21,840 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden you walk in. You're in

894
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,600
Speaker 3: a giant frat party. For like hell raising NFL mascots.

895
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 3: It looks like you're one of those old ESPN Sports

896
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 3: Center ads. You're just like the old funny ones.

897
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:34,279
Speaker 4: I would snap, I'd go through there with like a

898
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:36,400
Speaker 4: truncheon and be just like meeecapping people, Like, all right,

899
00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:37,520
Speaker 4: that's enough.

900
00:41:37,560 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 3: I almost don't want to do this next thing to you.

901
00:41:39,840 --> 00:41:44,960
Speaker 3: But have you ever heard of crinkling? I would have

902
00:41:45,000 --> 00:41:46,480
Speaker 3: been so surprised if you had heard of it so

903
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 3: like like I would have been, like, girl, you got

904
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:50,200
Speaker 3: some splaining? How you know what cranklin?

905
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:50,400
Speaker 2: Is?

906
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:55,000
Speaker 3: You research so cranklin? You ever heard the sound of

907
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 3: diaper makes when a toddler is first learning to walk?

908
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 2: You stop the word crinkling.

909
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 3: It's in an AUTOMATOPEA right, it's that's the sound of

910
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 3: a baby's diaper. Essentially, listen, let me back that up.

911
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,040
Speaker 3: If you if you ever heard of a baby.

912
00:42:07,719 --> 00:42:10,839
Speaker 2: Fur, I'm afraid that you eard of a baby fur?

913
00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 3: A baby for Elizabeth, you ever heard of them? Probably?

914
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:17,920
Speaker 3: Can you imagine what I've said about a fur? What

915
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:18,520
Speaker 3: a baby fur?

916
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:21,240
Speaker 2: Is it one of those freakys who puts a diaper?

917
00:42:21,320 --> 00:42:23,759
Speaker 3: A baby fur is a furry whose first sona is

918
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 3: a toddler or an infant or a very small child,

919
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 3: and some of them they were humans. They wear diapers

920
00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 3: and you'd say that the diaper clad furries if you

921
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 3: were to see them walk past you, you'd say, oh,

922
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,919
Speaker 3: they're crinkling right now. So imagine you're at a guest

923
00:42:36,920 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 3: at the Sea Tech Airport Hilton.

924
00:42:38,600 --> 00:42:41,239
Speaker 2: The animal in their get up, they're just they're in there.

925
00:42:41,239 --> 00:42:42,960
Speaker 3: They're in the bait, they're in the costume.

926
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,000
Speaker 2: There like a baby exactly.

927
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 3: But they're wearing a diaper, huge diaper.

928
00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 2: No.

929
00:42:50,600 --> 00:42:54,880
Speaker 3: So imagine you're a guest at the Sea Tax and

930
00:42:54,920 --> 00:42:56,640
Speaker 3: you're in the elevator with a man in a fur

931
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 3: suit on the top half, but he's porky pegging it

932
00:42:58,840 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 3: from the waist down. Except instead of a bare pink

933
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 3: bottom like porky, he's wearing a diaper. And it's an

934
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,360
Speaker 3: enormous kids diaper. And how do you know it's a

935
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 3: kid's diaper because what's printed on the diaper, like that's

936
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,719
Speaker 3: not like for an adult that's got like little flowers

937
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,319
Speaker 3: and like animals on it, Like that's the kids. And

938
00:43:14,360 --> 00:43:18,040
Speaker 3: it's oh god, it's a soiled diaper. No, he's walking around.

939
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:22,080
Speaker 3: This man's walking around a soiled diaper. At Rainfast twenty fifteen, Elizabeth,

940
00:43:22,080 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 3: there were a number of crinkling baby furs walking around

941
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,600
Speaker 3: in diapers, and even the Rainforest attendees are like, bro,

942
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 3: what are you doing? I don't want to see all

943
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 3: of that. What I found a bunch of tweets, and

944
00:43:32,680 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 3: there's a tweet for of course. Some One attendee tweeted,

945
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:38,240
Speaker 3: I don't like baby furs in general. I dislike smelling

946
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 3: baby furs in public. I've noticed too many at rainforst

947
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 3: twenty fifteen.

948
00:43:42,200 --> 00:43:44,160
Speaker 2: So they walk around in their own fils.

949
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 3: Yes, that's part of their thing.

950
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 2: That's their first They probably just eat like baby food too.

951
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:53,959
Speaker 3: It's like, yeah, exactly, they got orange soft served down there.

952
00:43:54,120 --> 00:43:54,239
Speaker 2: Now.

953
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 3: Another attendee tweeted and quote, hey, at rainforest, most cons

954
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:02,640
Speaker 3: have rules banning viaper first from marching around displaying that

955
00:44:02,840 --> 00:44:08,279
Speaker 3: literal take a hint hashtag rain first. Now Still there's

956
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 3: another attendee, he tweeted, and I quote kind of ruins

957
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,120
Speaker 3: the convibe when an adult walks past with a dump

958
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 3: in their diaper in public. Please keep that literally in

959
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:19,040
Speaker 3: the room.

960
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 4: This is I would be a Rainforest vigilanty and I'm

961
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 4: just gonna get a ton.

962
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 2: Of those big zip tie handcuffs. I'm gonna go around.

963
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:30,680
Speaker 2: I'm going to give you a trunch into the back

964
00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:34,279
Speaker 2: of a knee zip tire, your hands behind your back.

965
00:44:34,960 --> 00:44:38,760
Speaker 2: Probably love this, and then just leave piles like that's enough. Stop,

966
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 2: that's enough. Everybody stop where you are.

967
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:45,040
Speaker 3: I just now, all of a sudden, you're their prison Mommy, No, okay,

968
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:46,000
Speaker 3: then this is.

969
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 2: All falling apart on me. I was seeing vengeance being mine,

970
00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:49,720
Speaker 2: but I think.

971
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,720
Speaker 4: The way it is opposite.

972
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,560
Speaker 3: So to give the crinklers their time on the witness

973
00:44:55,560 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 3: stand in this inadvertent trial of the court of public opinion, Elizabeth,

974
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,439
Speaker 3: the crinklers a tempted to defend themselves, and I will

975
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 3: give them their time on the stage. One crinkler tweeted,

976
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:09,240
Speaker 3: and I quote dear RF twenty fifteen, go and remember

977
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 3: that you are the black sheep to the rest of

978
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:13,399
Speaker 3: the world before you start making fun of a guy

979
00:45:13,480 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 3: in a diaper. So that was that one, And I

980
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 3: mean fair point, but maybe not the tack I take

981
00:45:17,800 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 3: if I were the one wearing the diaper, But whatever.

982
00:45:19,280 --> 00:45:21,360
Speaker 3: There was a baby fur who tweeted and I quote

983
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 3: not cool with all the baby fur hate on my

984
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 3: timeline right now, what's happening to this fandom is not

985
00:45:26,600 --> 00:45:28,160
Speaker 3: just for you furry twitter.

986
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:32,399
Speaker 2: Like I get a job anyway that you got. There's

987
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,919
Speaker 2: so much to do in this life, not fighting over ship.

988
00:45:35,960 --> 00:45:39,360
Speaker 3: They wear diapers at am, I right to fight.

989
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 2: I need my pants.

990
00:45:41,120 --> 00:45:43,800
Speaker 3: I'm going to party my pants off with pooping them anyway.

991
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:46,520
Speaker 3: That same first night, Elizabeth, chaos unfolds. We're only in

992
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:49,319
Speaker 3: the first night still, as men were walking around tank

993
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:53,800
Speaker 3: top shirts that declared in bright pink font I don't dogs. Wait,

994
00:45:54,080 --> 00:45:56,680
Speaker 3: these were all there. Yeah, these were There were younger

995
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:58,840
Speaker 3: furries who were like trying to enjoy the same convention.

996
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:00,719
Speaker 2: So they're saying there were people who are.

997
00:46:01,120 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 3: Essentially there's an implication. There's an implication there. So trouble

998
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 3: was primed and set. So then the toilet started to explode.

999
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:12,640
Speaker 4: Yes, Elizabeth, something I would be telling you about all

1000
00:46:12,680 --> 00:46:13,719
Speaker 4: the poopy stories.

1001
00:46:14,160 --> 00:46:17,000
Speaker 3: Some furry had some hand tools on them and they

1002
00:46:17,040 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 3: loosened a bolt in the men's room. Right, That was

1003
00:46:19,080 --> 00:46:20,759
Speaker 3: the set up a prank, right, And the idea was

1004
00:46:20,800 --> 00:46:22,400
Speaker 3: that the next time someone used the toilet, when they

1005
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,600
Speaker 3: flushed the pressure would rupture the connection for the pipe

1006
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 3: providing water to the toilet. It worked, Elizabeth, that's great.

1007
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:29,920
Speaker 4: That's a great prank. So that everyone who works in

1008
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,360
Speaker 4: maintenance now has to take care of all that.

1009
00:46:33,160 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 3: Oh my god, better than that.

1010
00:46:34,520 --> 00:46:35,919
Speaker 2: I just need to scold all of them.

1011
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 3: So the guy who had this happened, he sent an

1012
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 3: email and I quote, I was the big guy on

1013
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,200
Speaker 3: the toilet. I was in the handicap stall, tended to business.

1014
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:46,640
Speaker 2: They did it in a handicap stall, uh huh.

1015
00:46:47,200 --> 00:46:50,719
Speaker 3: And when I flushed, the toilet exploded. I was told

1016
00:46:50,800 --> 00:46:53,200
Speaker 3: via email from the con chair later that it had

1017
00:46:53,239 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 3: been confirmed sabotage to the toilet. So basically, as soon

1018
00:46:56,239 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 3: as it was flushed, it wet, explodes, and the toilet

1019
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 3: floods the bathroom floor too, and a half inches of

1020
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,880
Speaker 3: water splashing out of the bathroom. Dude. He also emailed

1021
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:06,320
Speaker 3: and I quote, I don't remember much except all of

1022
00:47:06,360 --> 00:47:08,680
Speaker 3: a sudden it was raining toilet water in the bathroom.

1023
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 3: I know it wasn't just me, as in the matter

1024
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:12,200
Speaker 3: of a few seconds, I went from sitting on the

1025
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 3: toilet flushing to about two to three feet from the toilets.

1026
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,759
Speaker 3: He gets blown off the toilet right standing, having to

1027
00:47:18,800 --> 00:47:21,520
Speaker 3: balance myself against the wall. I was quickly soaked. I

1028
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,880
Speaker 3: managed to pull my clothes back on and stumbled out

1029
00:47:23,880 --> 00:47:25,919
Speaker 3: of the bathroom. People thought I was having a heart

1030
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 3: attack until I pointed out the water. I had to

1031
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 3: sit soaked in toilet water for five hours until a

1032
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 3: room was ready for me and I could get a shower.

1033
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 3: It was not fun. It was sabotage.

1034
00:47:36,719 --> 00:47:38,520
Speaker 2: Was he like a furry there?

1035
00:47:38,680 --> 00:47:42,200
Speaker 3: Yeah? He was like, yeah, he's dressed as like a

1036
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:42,959
Speaker 3: furry too, can.

1037
00:47:42,920 --> 00:47:46,880
Speaker 4: Elizabeth whoever pulled that prank was not raised in a

1038
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,400
Speaker 4: drought to No, there's.

1039
00:47:49,239 --> 00:47:52,799
Speaker 3: Your California show right now. Anyway, this emergency plumber gets

1040
00:47:52,800 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 3: caught in and this is just the beginning of the destruction.

1041
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:56,560
Speaker 3: Because I also forgot to tell you, water from the

1042
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,239
Speaker 3: exploited toilet in the bathroom leak through the floor. That's

1043
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 3: how much there was. It drained down into a lower floor,

1044
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 3: which was a basement room where the hotel's servers were located.

1045
00:48:06,120 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 3: They started roofing the hotel, and then Elizabeth, there was

1046
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:13,400
Speaker 3: the rumors of the glory hole, like a legit fully

1047
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 3: functioning glory hole. Someone drilled a hole into one of

1048
00:48:16,280 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 3: the partitions of the bathroom stalls in the men's room,

1049
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 3: I could find no photographic evidence. Meanwhile, on Instagram, I

1050
00:48:24,680 --> 00:48:27,280
Speaker 3: would not do that to you all. Meanwhile, on Saturday

1051
00:48:27,280 --> 00:48:30,520
Speaker 3: there was the anti pool party. So yes, we're now

1052
00:48:30,640 --> 00:48:31,920
Speaker 3: today the first.

1053
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:33,399
Speaker 2: Full day anti poo pool party.

1054
00:48:33,520 --> 00:48:37,000
Speaker 3: Yes, no, that's my name for it. The pool section

1055
00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:38,840
Speaker 3: of the hotel. Some of the furries stripped down. They

1056
00:48:38,880 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 3: went for a swim, right, I assume maybe they went

1057
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:43,040
Speaker 3: there in their heads. I don't know. Some hopped in

1058
00:48:43,080 --> 00:48:45,200
Speaker 3: the hot tub, or maybe they didn't. They just sort

1059
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:46,960
Speaker 3: of washed off their fur I don't know what they did,

1060
00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 3: but anyway, and also don't know what they're into. But

1061
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 3: I do know is when they were done, they threw

1062
00:48:51,000 --> 00:48:53,120
Speaker 3: all the pool towels into the hot tub. But they

1063
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 3: didn't just toss them in. They rolled the towels up

1064
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 3: tightly into cylinders and shoved them into the pool pump,

1065
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:01,400
Speaker 3: clogging it, eventually breaking it. Another plumber has to be

1066
00:49:01,440 --> 00:49:03,800
Speaker 3: called out to repair it. Thousands of dollars of damage.

1067
00:49:04,160 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 3: But that wasn't the worst thing to go down.

1068
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 2: They just huff gases oxide.

1069
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:13,000
Speaker 3: I hate them all, and they drinking the cheap beer

1070
00:49:13,040 --> 00:49:15,399
Speaker 3: and the malt liquor cocktails. I'm telling you, just run wild.

1071
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 2: You're children.

1072
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 4: It's adult body it destroying things and making life miserable

1073
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 4: for working worse.

1074
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 3: Than Boston sports fans. I'm just playing. We're everybody I

1075
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 3: want to get. I got a list over him.

1076
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:33,239
Speaker 4: You know, I know that the Furries are really not

1077
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 4: loving me right now, and I just don't care.

1078
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:37,600
Speaker 2: Don't because I feel like I have more people on my.

1079
00:49:37,760 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 3: You're fearless, maybe they'll respect that I am. You're a fleshy,

1080
00:49:41,800 --> 00:49:42,480
Speaker 3: that's what you are.

1081
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 2: Bring it so out, mommy.

1082
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:46,439
Speaker 3: So the worst thing to go down to the pool,

1083
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:48,680
Speaker 3: Elizabeth was apparently one of the Furries decided to drop

1084
00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 3: their drawers and squeeze out a floater, true Caddyshack style.

1085
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 3: But they yet the real deal. That's right, they pulled.

1086
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 2: This is such a good mood, baby.

1087
00:49:57,719 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 3: Ruth Candy bar in the pool track.

1088
00:49:59,440 --> 00:49:59,759
Speaker 4: I was.

1089
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:03,760
Speaker 3: It wasn't a baby stop it it was a fresh pool.

1090
00:50:04,440 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 2: This is such a good mood.

1091
00:50:05,719 --> 00:50:08,720
Speaker 4: I am so mad right now over something that happened

1092
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:10,000
Speaker 4: ten years ago.

1093
00:50:10,360 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 3: Back inside the hotel, in the hallways on nearly every floor,

1094
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:15,040
Speaker 3: it seems like you have pot smoke licking out from

1095
00:50:15,080 --> 00:50:16,840
Speaker 3: under the doors, which is making the hotel smell like

1096
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:19,239
Speaker 3: the streets of San Francisco. And then even though the

1097
00:50:19,239 --> 00:50:21,680
Speaker 3: Furries that they've disabled the smoke detectors in their rooms,

1098
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 3: still some of them don't do it well. Fire alarms

1099
00:50:23,840 --> 00:50:26,000
Speaker 3: get triggered. Now the fire department gets called out to

1100
00:50:26,040 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 3: this Hilton hotel. Also still on the same Saturday, a

1101
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 3: few of the furries said to themselves, Okay, we're at

1102
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:35,000
Speaker 3: an airport Hilton in Seattle, well actually Tacoma. So we're

1103
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:38,040
Speaker 3: wearing adult sized, sexy animal costumes and we came here

1104
00:50:38,080 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 3: to party. We should probably do a ton of psychedelic

1105
00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:42,800
Speaker 3: drugs and see which one of us freaks out first.

1106
00:50:43,560 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 3: So they did exactly that, Elizabeth, and eventually an ambulance

1107
00:50:46,120 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 3: was called out. Can you guess why? No? Instead because

1108
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 3: of I'm gonna I'm not gonna tell you the answer, Elizabeth.

1109
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:53,680
Speaker 3: It said, i'd like you to close your eyes. I'd

1110
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:55,680
Speaker 3: like you I took picture.

1111
00:50:55,440 --> 00:50:59,200
Speaker 2: Cropped my eyes open with toothpicks, and I refuse.

1112
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:02,399
Speaker 3: Well, I'm just gonna flash pictures at your eyes. Then

1113
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 3: it's a Saturday morning in twenty fifteen, and you, Elizabeth,

1114
00:51:06,560 --> 00:51:10,840
Speaker 3: are working at the Seattle, Tacoma Airport, Hilton Hotel. You

1115
00:51:10,920 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 3: are a concierge shrew Hilton Hotels, and you weren't at

1116
00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 3: work yesterday, which means you missed day one of the

1117
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:19,239
Speaker 3: rainforest chaos. But you're catching up on all that went

1118
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,160
Speaker 3: down while you enjoyed your day off. It sounds absolutely wild,

1119
00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:24,760
Speaker 3: and now you're about to get your own first taste

1120
00:51:24,800 --> 00:51:27,399
Speaker 3: of it. The phone rings. One of the associates at

1121
00:51:27,400 --> 00:51:29,960
Speaker 3: the front desk answers that you're standing not too far away.

1122
00:51:30,120 --> 00:51:32,600
Speaker 3: You can't hear the call, but you see their face

1123
00:51:32,680 --> 00:51:35,640
Speaker 3: knit into a mask of consternation. They put the call

1124
00:51:35,680 --> 00:51:38,760
Speaker 3: on hold and then ask you to take the guest's request.

1125
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:41,480
Speaker 3: You take the call. As soon as you press the button,

1126
00:51:41,520 --> 00:51:43,040
Speaker 3: you hear the voice of a young man, and he

1127
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 3: sounds somewhat out of it. At the other end of

1128
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:49,320
Speaker 3: the phone is a living comic book. It's a smoky

1129
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:53,400
Speaker 3: jazz club. A tall anthropomorphic redtail fox is dancing slowly

1130
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 3: seductively by itself to Chet Baker jazz music, while the

1131
00:51:57,400 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 3: black and white Buddha bellied panda one who's a bit

1132
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:02,680
Speaker 3: sullen at the moment, sits alone at a table drinking

1133
00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:05,440
Speaker 3: from a bottle of cough syrup. The sullen panda is

1134
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,239
Speaker 3: also on the phone. There's a table phone from like

1135
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 3: an old nightclub. The panda says into the phone, am

1136
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 3: I always gonna feel this like this way? The panda

1137
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:16,399
Speaker 3: waves his hand in front of his face, and his thick,

1138
00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:19,400
Speaker 3: furry fingers trace arcs of motion that leave trails like

1139
00:52:19,440 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 3: a cartoon of a super fast character running. But it's

1140
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,480
Speaker 3: scaring the Buddha bellied panda. I'm moving so fast. I

1141
00:52:25,480 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 3: see speed trail, but I'm sitting still. How am I

1142
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:33,080
Speaker 3: going so fast without moving? Tell me, sir, is everything okay?

1143
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,520
Speaker 3: You ask the panda from the other end of the phone.

1144
00:52:35,920 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 3: The red tailed fox stops gyrating its hips seductively to

1145
00:52:39,600 --> 00:52:42,400
Speaker 3: a rhythm. Only the fox hears while the panda is

1146
00:52:42,440 --> 00:52:45,520
Speaker 3: on the phone, and the fox turns quickly accuseatorally, and

1147
00:52:45,600 --> 00:52:48,640
Speaker 3: the night club disappears. The alluring fox sees the panda

1148
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 3: in the full light of hotel lighting, sitting on the

1149
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 3: hotel bed talking on the phone. Who are you talking to?

1150
00:52:54,160 --> 00:52:56,800
Speaker 3: The fox asks. The panda looks at the fox. The

1151
00:52:56,880 --> 00:53:00,040
Speaker 3: alluring fox stares back at the panda. And you listening

1152
00:53:00,080 --> 00:53:02,960
Speaker 3: on the other end. Here the silence begin and grow wide.

1153
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 3: So you ask, are you still there?

1154
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:05,359
Speaker 7: Sir?

1155
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:07,640
Speaker 3: I need to call nine one one for me. I

1156
00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:09,600
Speaker 3: think I'm going way too fast. Tell them to bring

1157
00:53:09,640 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 3: anti speed pills. Is everything okay? Are you in speed?

1158
00:53:12,560 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 2: Sir?

1159
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:16,600
Speaker 3: You asked? No, The panda says, and then laughs, No,

1160
00:53:17,920 --> 00:53:21,320
Speaker 3: we were eiding mushrooms. But there are too good too, wow,

1161
00:53:21,440 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 3: way too much wow. So now I'm moving two superspanded

1162
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:27,239
Speaker 3: speed pandas don't move this fast? Do you need me

1163
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:28,680
Speaker 3: to send someone up to your room? Start? You're in

1164
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:30,919
Speaker 3: room seven of six. I see call nine one one.

1165
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,760
Speaker 3: Tell them there's a pana going too fast that's supposed

1166
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 3: to fast. The call ends you indeed call nine one one,

1167
00:53:37,680 --> 00:53:39,600
Speaker 3: But as for an ambulance, not the police, you're a

1168
00:53:39,640 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 3: kind person. A half hour later, you watch as a

1169
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,839
Speaker 3: seductive redtail fox and a black and white panda are

1170
00:53:44,840 --> 00:53:47,719
Speaker 3: both wheeled out on stretchers. The two furries are still

1171
00:53:47,760 --> 00:53:51,080
Speaker 3: fully twisted with a headful of mushrooms. Your coworker leans

1172
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:53,160
Speaker 3: over and says, it's only ten am. Buckle up, it's

1173
00:53:53,160 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 3: gonna be a long day.

1174
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:57,080
Speaker 2: No, I answered that phone. I say I'm not the one,

1175
00:53:58,239 --> 00:54:00,680
Speaker 2: and then I fully participate with the police.

1176
00:54:00,400 --> 00:54:03,920
Speaker 4: State, and I get that whole joint rated, and then

1177
00:54:03,960 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 4: I quit Elizabeth.

1178
00:54:05,280 --> 00:54:07,760
Speaker 3: Another ambulance was called out to the Airport Hilton Hotel

1179
00:54:07,840 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 3: when two dudes, two furries, also went a little too

1180
00:54:10,520 --> 00:54:13,320
Speaker 3: hard in the fur but these two were they drank

1181
00:54:13,360 --> 00:54:16,680
Speaker 3: their furry faces off and needed medical attention. So not

1182
00:54:16,760 --> 00:54:19,440
Speaker 3: only were there two emergency plumbers, there were two ambulances

1183
00:54:19,440 --> 00:54:23,000
Speaker 3: the fire department, and eventually, of course expectedly, the police

1184
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,640
Speaker 3: came out to the Airport Hilton Hotel. Cops were called

1185
00:54:25,680 --> 00:54:28,279
Speaker 3: after one of the convention staff members was accused of

1186
00:54:28,320 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 3: assault of a furry in a costume.

1187
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:33,359
Speaker 2: Then the cops were called the accused, the hotel staff.

1188
00:54:33,080 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 3: The convention staff, so one of the festival organizers apparently

1189
00:54:36,960 --> 00:54:38,880
Speaker 3: like maybe it was a I don't know exactly, I

1190
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:42,040
Speaker 3: always knows convention staff member was accused of of assault

1191
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 3: of a furry in a costume.

1192
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 2: That's yes, that fully support that.

1193
00:54:46,520 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 3: Then the cops were called back out to the c

1194
00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:50,279
Speaker 3: Tech Airport Hilton after one furry got into it with

1195
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:52,799
Speaker 3: another furry and that cat was busted on charges of

1196
00:54:52,800 --> 00:54:56,680
Speaker 3: regular old assault because the first one was questionable about

1197
00:54:56,719 --> 00:54:58,680
Speaker 3: what the nature of the assault was sure, yes, so

1198
00:54:58,920 --> 00:55:01,360
Speaker 3: he was arrested and it gets escorted away since they

1199
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,440
Speaker 3: are already there. The cops also arrested two more of

1200
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 3: the Rainforest attendees in the hotel parking lot.

1201
00:55:05,840 --> 00:55:06,080
Speaker 2: Why.

1202
00:55:06,560 --> 00:55:09,400
Speaker 3: One was busted for drug possession, the other was busted

1203
00:55:09,400 --> 00:55:13,880
Speaker 3: for drug sales. They got caught midbust. It's like a

1204
00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:15,000
Speaker 3: perfect bust by the cops.

1205
00:55:15,080 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 2: Right.

1206
00:55:15,600 --> 00:55:18,440
Speaker 3: Yeah. So back inside the hotel and on the surrounding grounds,

1207
00:55:18,480 --> 00:55:21,800
Speaker 3: there are furries now getting into food fights. Mostly it's pizza,

1208
00:55:21,880 --> 00:55:23,840
Speaker 3: breadsticks and as you can have delivered to a hotel,

1209
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 3: as my man step and A would say, things of

1210
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 3: that nature. There are other suthers now throwing diapers around

1211
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:31,560
Speaker 3: because I remember, we've got a lot of diapers. Some

1212
00:55:31,600 --> 00:55:34,200
Speaker 3: of them are used, some are new. Some of the

1213
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,399
Speaker 3: used diapers get left on the hoods of attendees cars

1214
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 3: in the parking lot to get sun baked. Yes, oh

1215
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:42,120
Speaker 3: my god. On Sunday, with a day left to go,

1216
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 3: Hilton Hotel tells the convention goers they need to get gone.

1217
00:55:45,320 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1218
00:55:45,680 --> 00:55:47,959
Speaker 3: So at that point the SeaTac airport Hilton Hotel staff

1219
00:55:48,040 --> 00:55:51,440
Speaker 3: is sick of the furries droppings. The staff is angry irritated,

1220
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:54,799
Speaker 3: others are broken, demoralized. The Hilton threatens to eighty six

1221
00:55:54,920 --> 00:55:58,719
Speaker 3: the worst offenders. Right, the SeaTac Airport Hilton tabulates the

1222
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 3: damage done and they inform the Rain First organizers that

1223
00:56:02,120 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 3: if you tabulated all of the damage done by all

1224
00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 3: the other conventions held that year at the hotel, the

1225
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,399
Speaker 3: sum would be less than the amount of damage done

1226
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 3: by Rain First twenty fifteen. The amount was about one

1227
00:56:12,200 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 3: hundred and fifty thousand dollars.

1228
00:56:13,920 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 2: That's insane.

1229
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:16,960
Speaker 3: So yeah, so the Sea Tac Airport Hilton's they send

1230
00:56:16,960 --> 00:56:19,080
Speaker 3: a letter to inform them that their contract for any

1231
00:56:19,080 --> 00:56:23,040
Speaker 3: future events is officially terminated. But they paid for it.

1232
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 3: They had one hundred and fifty on their bank ledgers,

1233
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:26,719
Speaker 3: so they were able to pay for the damage done. Right,

1234
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:30,640
Speaker 3: But then comes time for Rain First twenty sixteen. Convention

1235
00:56:31,320 --> 00:56:33,680
Speaker 3: organizers they go and they approach other hotels in the

1236
00:56:33,719 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 3: Seattle Tacoma area. They went to one, they get turned down.

1237
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,840
Speaker 3: They go to another, they get turned down. They go

1238
00:56:39,880 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 3: to a third, and they pointed out how much money

1239
00:56:41,840 --> 00:56:44,400
Speaker 3: their convention would bring in for the hotel, and they

1240
00:56:44,440 --> 00:56:48,840
Speaker 3: get turned down. Every hotel they approach said now, but

1241
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 3: more like no effing way can you ever hold your

1242
00:56:51,200 --> 00:56:54,200
Speaker 3: Furrey convention here? So they look to other towns, like

1243
00:56:54,480 --> 00:56:57,000
Speaker 3: nearby Bellingham. It's a town north of Seattle, a little

1244
00:56:57,040 --> 00:57:00,680
Speaker 3: bit in a little east end. So same result. No, nope, nope, nope,

1245
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,200
Speaker 3: no hotel wants them, right, So eventually they had to

1246
00:57:03,200 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 3: ask a hotel in Spokane, Washington, and the hotel agreed

1247
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 3: to host the rainforest. Now they're in way across this

1248
00:57:09,320 --> 00:57:13,000
Speaker 3: day in eastern desert is Washington, right, nobody's gone out

1249
00:57:13,000 --> 00:57:15,080
Speaker 3: to Spokane for any reason. But they're like, we'll have

1250
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:18,160
Speaker 3: the no no for the rainforest, and no one's going

1251
00:57:18,200 --> 00:57:20,720
Speaker 3: to a rainforest. But they're like, we'll just move our rainforest.

1252
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:23,760
Speaker 3: They're trying to play on the whole settle the Pacific Northwest.

1253
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:27,280
Speaker 3: Now they're in the desert of like the high Mountain desert, right,

1254
00:57:27,600 --> 00:57:30,360
Speaker 3: They're like, well, still rainforest, it's still happening. People ignored

1255
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 3: the desert. But anyway, short time later, hotel informs the

1256
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,200
Speaker 3: convention organizers you're no longer welcome. They're like, wait, what

1257
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 3: turns out there was a disgruntled insider, Elizabeth, with a

1258
00:57:39,320 --> 00:57:42,280
Speaker 3: pen shant for drama, and they started a secret letter

1259
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:44,840
Speaker 3: writing campaign, and they were sending letters to every hotel

1260
00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 3: in the Seattle area and then later apparently spoken and

1261
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:50,280
Speaker 3: informed them that they were signing up for if they

1262
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 3: hosted a rainforest event. So the main event organized with

1263
00:57:53,360 --> 00:57:55,800
Speaker 3: this man known as Trapa. He was he identifies as

1264
00:57:55,800 --> 00:57:59,880
Speaker 3: an African civet cat. He's a yeah. So he spoke

1265
00:57:59,920 --> 00:58:02,160
Speaker 3: to the controversy at a separate furry event held in

1266
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 3: Vancouver in twenty sixteen. In Trappa the African Civic Cat,

1267
00:58:05,000 --> 00:58:07,800
Speaker 3: he gave updates on the Rainforest twenty fifteen. Now, he

1268
00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:09,280
Speaker 3: wasn't wearing a fur suit at the time. He's just

1269
00:58:09,320 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 3: sitting on stage and likes jeans and his shirt and

1270
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,240
Speaker 3: he's like, we couldn't find anything in the local area.

1271
00:58:13,240 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 3: It seems strange and almost as if they were being

1272
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:18,240
Speaker 3: talked to. And then he accused someone because he had

1273
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:21,160
Speaker 3: proof of sabotage. Trap of the African Civic Cat said

1274
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:23,520
Speaker 3: that only one person could have possibly known the details

1275
00:58:23,600 --> 00:58:25,280
Speaker 3: or in the letters sent to the hotels, and he

1276
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:27,880
Speaker 3: added that in my heart of hearts, I know who

1277
00:58:27,920 --> 00:58:32,600
Speaker 3: it is. Means motivation and opportunity abound, and it pisses

1278
00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:35,960
Speaker 3: me off. Yeah. Well, so the weirdest part is that

1279
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:38,280
Speaker 3: trap of the festival director. He implies that the letter

1280
00:58:38,280 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 3: writer was also the person who'd been seen putting used

1281
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:43,600
Speaker 3: diapers on people's car in the parking lot. So I

1282
00:58:43,600 --> 00:58:47,720
Speaker 3: guess after their initial diaper based protest failed, they moved

1283
00:58:47,760 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 3: on to a more traditional method of letter writing to

1284
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:54,120
Speaker 3: smear people's good jobs. It worked, word got out twenty sixteen.

1285
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 3: No hotel, no motel, no holiday inn, no country fairground,

1286
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 3: no convention hall, no bar mits for rental hall, no

1287
00:58:59,360 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 3: space of any I would host the Furries. The hammer

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Speaker 3: fellow is but the gong was struck. The death neel sounded.

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Speaker 3: Whatever you prefer. Rain First twenty fifteen was the end

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Speaker 3: of the road for the Pacific Northwest Furries Convention. The

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Speaker 3: convention was canceled for good forever. Good Wait, what's that record? Scratch?

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Speaker 3: What's there's news? Trappa? The African Civic Cat is plucky.

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Speaker 3: Band of fellow furry conventioneers have got the back on

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Speaker 3: the ball. They got to work like a kitten batting

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Speaker 3: around a ball a yarn And then look at that

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Speaker 3: a little while later they announced they're bringing back Rain

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Speaker 3: First twenty seventeen. Parties back on Elizabeth, grab your head

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Speaker 3: past attendees. They're stoked, like, make you grab my tail,

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Speaker 3: my hands, I'm on it. Some of them were mainly

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Speaker 3: possibly pretty excited. Some of them were not so excited anyway,

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Speaker 3: Some were skeptical. Whatever, the whole point was. Bad news

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Speaker 3: came down from on high in furry Land in February

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Speaker 3: twenty seventeen. Last minute, the Rainforest Board of Directors and

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Speaker 3: convention staff said, that's it. It's a rap, folks. Never mind,

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Speaker 3: it's done.

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Speaker 2: We're over.

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Speaker 3: We can't even get together. That was it they got.

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Speaker 3: They climbed themselves right out of business. I want the

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Speaker 3: ridiculous take away here, Elizabeth.

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Speaker 2: I'm no fun and I like it that way.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be a good judge.

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Speaker 2: I just I have zero tolerance for this.

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Speaker 3: You don't like people who think they're precious, unique and special,

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Speaker 3: like wear wings. I've noticed that if they're at Coachella,

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Speaker 3: if they're at a convention, if they're wearing wings, you're

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Speaker 3: probably a ren fair and you're probably not gonna like

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Speaker 3: the person. Not Halloween, No, but it's the person who

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Speaker 3: feels that they are so precious about it, not the

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Speaker 3: person wearing wings. I don't think you're against wings. You're

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Speaker 3: against the person who's like, look at me, I'm about

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Speaker 3: to fly and you're like, okay, queen butterfly or whatever.

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Speaker 3: There you go. That's that's that's it. That's the face.

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Speaker 3: Well my ridiculous take away, thanks for asking, Elizabeth is

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Speaker 3: I still want a furry tale, but I don't want

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Speaker 3: people to think I'm a furry. I just want a tail.

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Speaker 3: So what do I do about that?

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Speaker 2: Kind of like how they attach those tails to themselves

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Speaker 2: is a little bit like, Oh.

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Speaker 3: I thought it was like a belt. I never got

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Speaker 3: into that.

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Speaker 2: I think it is.

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Speaker 3: I never once cure was curious about how the belt was, how.

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Speaker 2: The Maybe there are some of it his belts, but

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Speaker 2: I know some.

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Speaker 3: Might have plugs. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Wow, I'm learning a lot strategies.

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Speaker 3: Well, I still want to tell anyway, I'm kidding prettyzy day.

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Speaker 3: Can you clear the air with the talk back?

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Speaker 9: God I in Wisconsin, thank you so much for bringing

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Speaker 9: all this ridiculous news to us. I still chuckle about

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Speaker 9: Zaron walking off the top of a roof because he

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Speaker 9: thought there was a snake there. I'm glad you didn't

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Speaker 9: get hurt, by the way, and I appreciate all the

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Speaker 9: research that your staff does. What a great piece of

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Speaker 9: information to keep me company when I can't sleep.

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Speaker 3: We're glad to.

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Speaker 2: I too can't sleep, so I relate. That's awesome. I'm

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Speaker 2: glad you can help.

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Speaker 3: Glad you're in amused by my skywalking. Well, there you go.

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Speaker 3: It's all I got for you. As always, you can

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Speaker 3: find us online a Ridiculous Crime on Twitter, and on

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Speaker 3: proud of it. We think you might enjoy it. And

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Speaker 3: voice out here. Email us. Also if you like a

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Speaker 3: Ridiculous Crime at gmail dot com. As always, begin Dear Elizabeth. Okay,

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Speaker 3: that's honestly all I got for you, So we'll catch

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Speaker 3: you next crime. Thanks for listening. Ridiculous Crime is hosted

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Speaker 3: by Elizabeth Dutton and Zarin Burnette, produced and edited by

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Speaker 3: first suit Maker to the Stars mister Dave Kusten. Research

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Speaker 3: is by teenage mutant Ninja researchers Marissa Brown and Andrea

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Speaker 3: song Sharpen Tear. Our theme song is by Thomas Uncle

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Speaker 3: fur Lee and Travis Papa fur Dot You. The host

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Speaker 3: by Sparkleshot and mister Andre. Executive producers are Ben. If

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Speaker 3: you identify as an alien, are you a fleshy Bowlin

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Speaker 3: and Noel? That's absolutely ridiculous. You'd be a no furry.

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