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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace. It's Christmas time and families

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Speaker 1: all over the world are gathering together to celebrate the

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Speaker 1: joy of the Christmas season. But that is not necessarily

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Speaker 1: true for many many others across the world. Crime Stories

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Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace, this is a tangled web of deceit,

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Speaker 1: of coercion, and murder. For the longest time, police could

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Speaker 1: listen to this Christmas Eve. The first victim was discovered,

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Speaker 1: eighteen year old Danita Gillette. She was shot while using

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Speaker 1: store for her gym shoes. He was a happy, go

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Speaker 1: would have been something amazing. You were just hearing Becky

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Speaker 1: Grimes of HIO News Center seven and the voice of

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Speaker 1: doctor Ronda Galette. Ronda Gillette is Danta's sister, and right now,

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Speaker 1: doctor Gillett is joining us along with an all star

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Speaker 1: panel including Kathleen Murphy, North Carolina trial lawyer Professor Michael Draine,

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Speaker 1: forensic psychologist and professor at Antioch University and host of

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Speaker 1: the un Popular Culture podcast and The Christmas Killing Spree

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Speaker 1: The Psychology of Spree Murder. Doyle Burke is with us

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Speaker 1: former Dayton homicide detective who worked this case and chief

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Speaker 1: investigator Warren County Coroner, doctor Kendall Crown's Deputy Medical Examiner

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Speaker 1: Travis County That's Austin, Texas, and Crime online dot Com

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Speaker 1: investigative reporter Levi Page. Let me first start with Danita's sister,

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Speaker 1: doctor Ronda Gillett. Doctor Gillett, thank you for being with

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Speaker 1: us at the very beginning when Danita's body was discovered

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Speaker 1: there at that pay phone. No one had any idea

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Speaker 1: I would not be who I am today if it

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Speaker 1: hasn't been for my sister. She still encourages me to

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Speaker 1: victim have no idea the life long implications of violent crime,

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Speaker 1: even beyond your life. Because speaking as a victim of

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Speaker 1: it's affected when I had children. I was so traumatized

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Speaker 1: After I lost my sister, I end up miscarrying, and

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Speaker 1: the time that the murderer of Dnata Glood just standing

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Speaker 1: of eighteen year old Danida Gilette, who was making a

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Speaker 1: Dayton Homicide Detective Chief Investigator, Warren County Corner. Detective Burke,

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Speaker 1: will not soon forget. Do you recall the name Richmond Maddox, Detective, Yes,

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Speaker 1: You know, very often we hear or we see, for instance,

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Speaker 1: DeMarco wdt N thought that was the end of the murders.

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Speaker 1: But no, it was not. All of this unfolding in

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Speaker 1: the days surrounding Christmas. Straight back to Tective Doyle Burke

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Speaker 1: joining me along with doctor Ronda Gillett and Professor Michael

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Speaker 1: Drain and our panel detective two more names, a sixteen

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Speaker 1: year old girl, Wendy Catrill and her young sweetheart, her lover,

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Speaker 1: Marvin Washington, eighteen years old. How did you how? Where

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Speaker 1: were their bodies? The two this boyfriend and girlfriend when

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Speaker 1: they were murdered. They were found in a gravel pit

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Speaker 1: in the west side of Dayton, the hour side of Dayton.

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Speaker 1: They were side by side. They've been executed. Back to

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Speaker 1: our guest, doctor Ronda Gillett, the sister of then eighteen

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Speaker 1: year old Danita Gillett. Ronda, as you are finding out

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Speaker 1: Danita has been murdered at a payphone. Were you at

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Speaker 1: all aware are the other bodies that were being discovered

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Speaker 1: in Dayton. No, I was not aware at all about

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Speaker 1: all of the other deaths that had occurred. So me

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Speaker 1: and my family, we were we could not pant them

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Speaker 1: that this was a part of any kind of spree.

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Speaker 1: We could not imagine anybody who who would want to

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Speaker 1: hurt my footster. So it was just like a nightmare

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Speaker 1: that had occurred. And when you look at the locations,

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Speaker 1: to Professor Michael Drain, why would you even think to

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Speaker 1: connect a young woman shot at a pay phone, a

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Speaker 1: young man, Richmond Maddox who seemingly had a car crash

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Speaker 1: with a tree but was actually shot. Then you have

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Speaker 1: a thirty eight year old at a mini mark shot

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Speaker 1: still behind the cash register. Then you have guy tied

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Speaker 1: spread eagle to a bed shot, and then you have

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Speaker 1: these two young lovers sixteen and eighteen, shot execution style

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Speaker 1: and a gravel pit. Typically those cases would not be connected,

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Speaker 1: Professor No, that's right, they wouldn't be. And then in

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Speaker 1: the moment, you know, we can look back retrospectively and

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Speaker 1: it's all very clear, but in the moment it must

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Speaker 1: have just seemed like unconnected murders. And that's are the

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Speaker 1: difficulty of identifying spree murders. There's cases of people who

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Speaker 1: go on a traveling spree murder and drive through a

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Speaker 1: whole state or across state lines and kill multiple people

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Speaker 1: as they're driving down the street. And because of the

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Speaker 1: vast geographic gland that they're covering, those things aren't connected

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Speaker 1: right away. Back to you, detective, when did you first

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Speaker 1: realize all of these murders spanning Dayton were connected to

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Speaker 1: spree killers? WHA's the ballistics started coming back? Everything revolved

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Speaker 1: around that twenty five of automatic, which was correct. But

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Speaker 1: now we had a second weapon introduced by virtue of

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Speaker 1: the ballistics, and that was a thirty two derringer, and

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Speaker 1: that was what was used on Richmond Maddox in the

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Speaker 1: car crash. It was also used with Sarah Abraham and

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Speaker 1: it was also used with our last, one of our

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Speaker 1: last victims, Marvin Washington. So how does it all fit together?

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Speaker 1: Who is behind spree killings then haunting the city of Dayton?

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Speaker 1: Take a listen to John Elimley at crime Online. Nineteen

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Speaker 1: year old Marvelous Keene was the leader of a self

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Speaker 1: titled group, the Downtown Posse. The group included his girlfriend,

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Speaker 1: sixteen year old Laura Taylor, twenty year old Heather Matthews,

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Speaker 1: seventeen year old to Marcus Smith, along with sixteen year

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Speaker 1: old Wendy Cuttrell and eighteen year old Marvin Washington. Together,

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Speaker 1: the group did have much of a criminal record, and

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Speaker 1: Marvelous Keene had been a straight A student in high school.

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Speaker 1: Keene's older brother was killed while committing a robbery in

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety one, and that's when things began to change

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Speaker 1: for Marvelous Keene. He became depressed and virtually gave up

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Speaker 1: on his educational efforts for a time. On Christmas Eve,

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Speaker 1: Laura Taylor tells the group, let's put some drama in

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Speaker 1: our lives, and with that, the group, led by former

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Speaker 1: straight A student Marvelous Keene, concocted a plan to rob

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Speaker 1: an acquaintance of the group, Joseph Wilkerson. Keene, Taylor, and

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Speaker 1: Heather Matthews walked to Wilkerson's home, tie him up and

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Speaker 1: look for things to steal. The thieves load up Wilkerson's

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Speaker 1: own car with a TV, microwave, and other items they

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Speaker 1: can easily sell. Take a listen to this. Marvelous Keene

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Speaker 1: was watching Joseph Wilkerson as Laura Taylor and Heather Matthews

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Speaker 1: ransacked the man's home. When Wilkerson tells Keene he has

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Speaker 1: a thirty two caliber derringer that he can have. Keane

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Speaker 1: gets the gun, covers Wilkerson with blankets to muffle the noise,

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Speaker 1: and shoots the man in the chest with his own gun.

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Speaker 1: Hearing the shot, Taylor and Matthews run to the bedroom,

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Speaker 1: where they see Keene holding the derringer and Wilkerson's feet shaking.

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Speaker 1: Keane gives the derringer to Taylor to shoot Wilkerson, but

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Speaker 1: it doesn't fire, so he uses Keene's own gun and

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Speaker 1: shoots Wilkerson in the head. The trio take off with

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Speaker 1: the stolen items in Wilkerson's buick, and Keene tells his

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Speaker 1: accomplices not to tell Catrill and Washington about killing Wilkerson.

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Speaker 1: How cold blooded was the murder of Wilkerson, but listen

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Speaker 1: to what happened to the beautiful teen girl After the

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Speaker 1: killing of Joseph Wilkerson. On Christmas Eve, Marvelous Keene, Laura Taylor,

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Speaker 1: and DeMarcus Smith go out for a walk when they

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Speaker 1: see Danita Galette using a public telephone. Smith and Keene

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Speaker 1: are both carrying guns and draw their weapons on Galette.

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Speaker 1: Keane says, Merry Christmas, bitch. Then he and Smith forced

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Speaker 1: Gallette at gunpoint to take her coat and her Fila

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Speaker 1: tennis shoes off. Then Keene and Smith both shoot Gallette

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Speaker 1: as the young mother begged for her life. When they

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Speaker 1: returned back to their apartment where their other friends were

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Speaker 1: hanging out, Taylor was wearing Galette's jacket and Smith was

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Speaker 1: carrying her shoes. Dot Toronto, Gillette, I'm just so sorry

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Speaker 1: what your sister and your family has gone through. And

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Speaker 1: speaking for the victims in his case, what do you

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Speaker 1: say now? We in our culture, we just have an

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Speaker 1: epidemic of violence, and I pray and hope that is

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Speaker 1: addressed at a national level. I pray that no family

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Speaker 1: has to deal with this heartache. So that is my

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Speaker 1: hope and my prayer is that we address this epidemic

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Speaker 1: of violence because it has only increased my sisteries on time,

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Speaker 1: it really has. And what's very disturbing, And let me

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Speaker 1: go to Professor Michael Draine forensic psychologists for you here,

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Speaker 1: Laura Taylor tell the group, let's put some drama in

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Speaker 1: our lives. The group ends up turning on their their

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Speaker 1: own and murdering Wendy Katrill and Marvin Washington because they're

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Speaker 1: afraid they'll snitch them out. But let's put some drama

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Speaker 1: in our lives. What is that, Well, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: of evidence, So there's two. There's two kind of trains

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00:37:46,880 --> 00:37:49,040
Speaker 1: of thought about Laura Taylor, and that's where a lot

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Speaker 1: of the interesting dynamic is between Laura Taylor and Marvell's Keen.

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Speaker 1: Laura Taylor was m had a lot of psychopathic traits.

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Speaker 1: Perhaps she shot Wilkerson after he had already been shot.

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Speaker 1: She has in the other prevailing series that she was

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Speaker 1: doing what she was doing to try to impress her boyfriend,

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Speaker 1: Marvella's Keene and was trying to ingratiate herself to him.

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Speaker 1: And while he was the leader, it's argued by a

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Speaker 1: lot of people that she was sort of like a

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Speaker 1: co leader or an instigator. So she was either caught

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Speaker 1: up in the frenzy of the whole thing or has

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Speaker 1: a psychopathic personality and enjoyed it, and or it could

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Speaker 1: have been a combination of both, and most things usually are.

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Speaker 1: Let's put some drama in her lives. Six dead, two wounded,

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Speaker 1: and families lives torn apart forever at Christmas to Leavi Page,

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Speaker 1: what has become of these killers? So Nancy Laura Taylor sixteen,

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Speaker 1: Marvelis Keen nineteen, Heather Matthews twenty, and DeMarcus Smith seventeen.

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Speaker 1: They were all charged with murder. Nancy and DeMarcus Smith,

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Speaker 1: Heather Matthews, and Laura Taylor. They are serving life sentences.

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Speaker 1: Laura Taylor and Heather Matthews. The females are serving time

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Speaker 1: in Ohio Reformatory for Women. DeMarcus Smith is serving life,

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Speaker 1: and the ringleader, Marvelis Keene, he was executed in two

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Speaker 1: thousand and nine. We see justice unfold now. The impact

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Speaker 1: this has had on the victim's family is its own

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Speaker 1: life sentence. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off, Good my Friend,