WEBVTT - What does HAARP do?

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<v Speaker 1>Brought to you by Toyota. Let's go places. Welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>Forward Thinking. Hey there, everyone, and welcome to Forward Thinking,

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<v Speaker 1>the podcast that looks at the future and says somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>they're meeting on a pinhead, calling you an angel, calling

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<v Speaker 1>you the nicest things. I'm Jonathan Strickland, I'm Lauren Foca,

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<v Speaker 1>and I'm Joe McCormick. And you know, guys, I did

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<v Speaker 1>a an episode of Forward Thinking, the video show Now

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<v Speaker 1>that long ago where I started talking about the possibility

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<v Speaker 1>of weather controlled devices, and uh, you know, it turns

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<v Speaker 1>out weather is pretty complicated stuff that has a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of energy involved in it. But there were a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of people who who said, why are you talking about

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<v Speaker 1>this is If this is a possible future thing, we've

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<v Speaker 1>got one right now, And they all came up with

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<v Speaker 1>the same example. Do you know what I'm talking about? Oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I believe you're talking about a program called HARP, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a big machine up at the North Pole that's

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<v Speaker 1>run by reptilians and transdimensional reptilian Yeah, that's exactly what

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<v Speaker 1>I'm talking about, secretly run the world. And uh, I

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<v Speaker 1>mean yet it causes all kinds of things like like

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<v Speaker 1>earthquakes have mind control. Sometimes it can hurricanes, it can

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<v Speaker 1>it can zap stuff right all the sky. This is

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<v Speaker 1>all due to, uh, you know the fact that conspiracy

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<v Speaker 1>theories run rampant on the Internet. Now we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>actually talk about the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program

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<v Speaker 1>better known as HARP in this podcast. Yes, like HARP, HARP. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so it's a little piratical in that sense. We're going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk about what it really does and why there

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<v Speaker 1>are all these conspiracy theories around it. Now, first of all,

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<v Speaker 1>let's just get this out of the way. HARP is

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<v Speaker 1>not a weather control device. It's not able to create

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<v Speaker 1>hurricanes or guide a tornado or any of that that

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<v Speaker 1>we know of orcan sign typically proved to be in

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<v Speaker 1>any way even feasible. Yeah, we can't even hint at

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<v Speaker 1>really right, right, we can't. We don't even fully understand

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<v Speaker 1>all the variables that go into creating the weather patterns

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<v Speaker 1>that many people attribute to HARP. And we have leading

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<v Speaker 1>scientists who are always talking about how much we do

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<v Speaker 1>not know and how much we're still learning about these things.

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<v Speaker 1>So to assume that we could uh create and control

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<v Speaker 1>a system as as destructive and packing as much energy

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<v Speaker 1>as a hurricane is a little um yeah, because I

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<v Speaker 1>mean hurricane can have as much energy as ten thousand

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<v Speaker 1>nuclear bombs. That's a lot of energy. You think if

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<v Speaker 1>we could reliably create hurricanes, we'd also have the power

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<v Speaker 1>to stop them. Yeah, yeah, or at least steer them

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<v Speaker 1>somewhere else, although that raises its own problems, and maybe

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<v Speaker 1>the interdimensional reptilians really justlike Florida. It could be. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>So let's let's talk about what harp really is and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll we'll get back to the RC theory stuff towards

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<v Speaker 1>the end and kind of talk about what was it

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<v Speaker 1>that even got these conspiracy theories moving in the first place. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so I was wrong on lots accounts. Actually, it's not

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<v Speaker 1>even at the North Pole is now. It's in Alaska. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it's it's in the the general region of

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<v Speaker 1>the Arctic. Uh, it's in actually the southern central part

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<v Speaker 1>of Alaska. It's not really close to anything else, which

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<v Speaker 1>may in fact have lent itself somewhat to the conspiracy

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<v Speaker 1>theories because it's not easy to get to or at least,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's not close to anything else. It's near

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<v Speaker 1>some I looked it up on Google Maps. It's like

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<v Speaker 1>near a hunting lodge or something. Yeah, I saw and

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<v Speaker 1>if you were to look at this place, it would

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<v Speaker 1>look like it's a forest of antenna Like they're they're

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<v Speaker 1>various antenna fields, some of them as large as something

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<v Speaker 1>like thirty acres of antennas that are all spaced out exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh you know, whether like eight ft apart art it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of and there's seventy two ft tall. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>this is impressive stuff. Yeah, it looks like a hazard.

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<v Speaker 1>You jump over in Mario, fell into it, you die. Yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it does. Yeah, we're talking like maybe, well really we're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about Super Mario. But it's like it's this big

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<v Speaker 1>field of spiky metal. Yeah. Yeah. So again it look

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<v Speaker 1>it looks a little weird. So what's the deal with

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<v Speaker 1>this thing? It's actually a program meant to study the ionosphere,

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<v Speaker 1>which then raises the question, what the heck is the ionosphere? Y'all?

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<v Speaker 1>So the ionosphere is the very outer edge of our atmosphere.

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<v Speaker 1>It is technically a kind of a layer within an atmosphere.

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<v Speaker 1>Some people call it the thermosphere, and the ionosphere is

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<v Speaker 1>part of that. So if you're going from the surface

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<v Speaker 1>of the Earth outward, you have the troposphere, which is

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<v Speaker 1>where all the weather happens, right that's like, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>all the storms and everything that we think of that

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<v Speaker 1>happens in the troposphere. Then you've got the stratosphere, which

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<v Speaker 1>we've all heard about. That's where a lot of these

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<v Speaker 1>weather balloons that are going even higher up to study

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<v Speaker 1>uh effects above the troposphere, that's where they are. It's

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<v Speaker 1>also where you hear about things like Google's Project Loon.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of different bands of air moving at

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<v Speaker 1>different speeds there, so you can kind of catch those

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<v Speaker 1>to get your stuff where you want to, right right, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there there are a lot of different bands, but they

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<v Speaker 1>tend to behave in a very predictable way. Much less

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you know, the troposphere, things can get a

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<v Speaker 1>little a little crazy, you know, it gets party time

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<v Speaker 1>in the troposphere and the stressphere, it's a little more predictable.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you have the miso sphere, and then you have

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<v Speaker 1>the ionosphere. So it's way out there and some like

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<v Speaker 1>like eight kilometers or fifty miles above the surface at

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<v Speaker 1>its starting point. Yeah, yeah, So the ionosphere isn't at

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<v Speaker 1>the exact same altitude over every point of the Earth.

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<v Speaker 1>So I hear the word ion in the prefix of

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<v Speaker 1>io sphere. Yeah, what does the ionosphere have to do

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<v Speaker 1>with ion? Well, that would be exactly where you would

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<v Speaker 1>expect to find charged particle that's ions. It's you know,

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<v Speaker 1>an ion is essentially an atom that is either lost

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<v Speaker 1>or gained an electron, and in this case we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about particles that have been zapped by the Sun's energy.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the part of our atmosphere that's absorbing some

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<v Speaker 1>of the more harmful rays coming from the Sun, like

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<v Speaker 1>X rays for example. Now, as it absorbs that, the

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<v Speaker 1>particles that absorb it get more energy and become ions.

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<v Speaker 1>Thus you have the ionosphere. And so you've got these

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<v Speaker 1>magnetic fields that the Earth has, and you have these

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<v Speaker 1>ions that are essentially trapped in that layer, this thin

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<v Speaker 1>layer called the ionosphere. So it's an interesting um part

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<v Speaker 1>of the Earth's atmosphere. It's really useful because it helps

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<v Speaker 1>block some of the stuff that would otherwise harm us.

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<v Speaker 1>It also allows us to do stuff like have long

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<v Speaker 1>range radio communication. You know, when uh, when Mark Coni

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to send a message across the Atlantic, how are

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<v Speaker 1>you going to do that? Because after two miles the

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<v Speaker 1>curvature of the Earth will prevent line of sight, won't

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<v Speaker 1>it right, And you would think radio waves travel on

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<v Speaker 1>the straight line. How the heck could you get a

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<v Speaker 1>radio wave to go? It just hit the water and

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<v Speaker 1>that's it. Now I've actually turns out that the radio wave,

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<v Speaker 1>when directed toward the sky would bounce off the ionosphere

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<v Speaker 1>and reflect back down to Earth, thus allowing a transatlantic broadcast.

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<v Speaker 1>And the first broadcast was three dots, which represents the

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<v Speaker 1>letter S in Morse code. So that was the reason

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<v Speaker 1>why that was possible was because the ionosphere, which at

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<v Speaker 1>the time no one really truly understood, and we're still

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<v Speaker 1>learning about the ionosphere because it's so far out there

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<v Speaker 1>that our weather balloons don't get to it and our

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<v Speaker 1>satellites are kind of above it for the most part.

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<v Speaker 1>So that means that you know, to study it directly,

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<v Speaker 1>we'd have to find some other means of doing it.

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<v Speaker 1>Enter harp as a long introduction for this for this facility,

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<v Speaker 1>but it it warrants it right because you have to

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<v Speaker 1>understand that really the goal here was to learn more

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<v Speaker 1>about radio waves, about the ionosphere, about the interaction between

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<v Speaker 1>radio waves and the ionosphere, about what causes things like auroras,

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<v Speaker 1>which are those beautiful lights that you could see that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the northern lights are what we often call them, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>and southern southern lights in fact also happened. Uh. So

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<v Speaker 1>this is the layer where that stuff happens. And this

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<v Speaker 1>is why it was you know, kind of an important

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<v Speaker 1>way of important thing to to build to study that.

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<v Speaker 1>But wasn't this all funded partially by the military largely?

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<v Speaker 1>Why would the military want to know about science? An

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<v Speaker 1>excellent question, Why would the military be interested in funding it? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>let me guess telekinesis wrong, so uh, you know. Although

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<v Speaker 1>we'll get into how the military was sold on this

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<v Speaker 1>later on this podcast, which again ties into some of

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<v Speaker 1>the conspiracy theory stuff, but in general, really what the

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<v Speaker 1>military was interested in was finding ways to make more

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<v Speaker 1>effective communication systems. A couple of different reasons for this. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>In the nineteen fifties, so the University of Alaska started

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<v Speaker 1>building equipment to study effects of radio waves in the

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<v Speaker 1>ionosphere during heavy ionic activity. So for example, or yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>like when auroras were active. Alaska's far enough up there,

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<v Speaker 1>but yeah, Aurora's come because of solar flares, right, you

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<v Speaker 1>get this crazy ionic activity, You get this beautiful light show.

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<v Speaker 1>And one drawback for communications is that sometimes radio waves

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<v Speaker 1>get absorbed rather than reflected back. And in the nineteen fifties,

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<v Speaker 1>if you if it meant that you couldn't have a

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<v Speaker 1>long distance communication active in the Arctic region. That was

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<v Speaker 1>bad news for the United States, which at the time

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<v Speaker 1>was engaged in what we call the Cold War with

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<v Speaker 1>the then Soviet Union. And the idea was that if

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<v Speaker 1>you if you can't have reliable communication, would say, an

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<v Speaker 1>aircraft carrying nuclear weapons that's flying towards the Soviet Union

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<v Speaker 1>in the case of worst case scenario, that could be bad.

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<v Speaker 1>So there were there was a lot of a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of need to study this this effect and figure out

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<v Speaker 1>ways around it. So there was that. There's also the

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<v Speaker 1>Navy that was interested in this because, as it turns out,

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<v Speaker 1>radio waves like our our average radio waves that we

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<v Speaker 1>tend to use for communications, are not good at penetrating seawater.

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<v Speaker 1>Seawater is conductive, it can cause some scintillation, you get

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<v Speaker 1>this weird changes and amplitude and frequency, and in other words,

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<v Speaker 1>you cannot reliably use radio communication for something like a

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<v Speaker 1>submarine that's submerged. So what do you do well, it

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<v Speaker 1>turns out extremely low frequency and very low frequency radio waves,

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<v Speaker 1>which have much longer wavelengths and very low frequencies, can

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<v Speaker 1>penetrate seawater much more deeply than your average high frequency

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<v Speaker 1>radio waves can. So if you were able to build

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<v Speaker 1>something that could transmit these uh, these waves to a submarine,

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<v Speaker 1>then you could issue commands that without having to worry

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<v Speaker 1>about making them surface first. Uh are some downsides. You

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't be able to have two way communication because, as

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<v Speaker 1>it turns out, you have to have an antenna that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of matches the length of the wavelength we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about here, at least in some form of ratio. Right.

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<v Speaker 1>So ideally, if you want to resondent antenna, your antenna

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<v Speaker 1>should be the same length as the wavelength of the radio.

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<v Speaker 1>And so if we're talking extremely low frequency radio waves,

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<v Speaker 1>you're talking of a wavelength of around a hundred thousand kilometers,

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<v Speaker 1>which is not practical for your average submarine. Even even

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<v Speaker 1>if you were to go with a fraction, it would

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<v Speaker 1>still be so huge you could never use a submarine.

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<v Speaker 1>You can never have that attached to a submarine. So

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<v Speaker 1>you might be able to use the Earth itself as

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<v Speaker 1>part of your antenna and thus be able to eat

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<v Speaker 1>up some of that distance that is necessary for you

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<v Speaker 1>to be able to transmit. But you wouldn't be able

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<v Speaker 1>to put that on a submarine so it could it

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<v Speaker 1>could talk back, you could send messages to it. They

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't talk back unless they then surface so that they

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<v Speaker 1>could use regular high frequency media waves. Okay, so all

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<v Speaker 1>of this is making sense. So we've got this data

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<v Speaker 1>station and and research facility that has been sponsored by

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<v Speaker 1>the Office of Naval Research, UM, the Air Force Research Laboratory,

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<v Speaker 1>and DARPA and uh I believe it came online originally

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<v Speaker 1>didn't really hit full strength until something like two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>seven when it got the full array. Yeah, the full

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<v Speaker 1>array of antenna's. Yeah. They had an initial smaller array

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<v Speaker 1>of antenna's active in ninety nine and it took almost

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<v Speaker 1>a decade for them to get up to what was

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<v Speaker 1>supposed to be the full facility. Uh So two thousand

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<v Speaker 1>seven is really when they get fully operational and death

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<v Speaker 1>Star standards. Um. But but but but it wasn't just

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<v Speaker 1>the military. There were a lot of research facilities, right. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, lots of universities were part of this and

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<v Speaker 1>have been part of it from the beginning. University of

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<v Speaker 1>Alaska of course is a big one. They've been very

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<v Speaker 1>peer Yeah. Yeah, a lot of their work was stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that went into the Shoal approach. Uh. You also have Stanford, Cornell, U, C,

0:13:04.040 --> 0:13:06.360
<v Speaker 1>L A, M, I. T. There are a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>different universities that have been part of this project. And

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it's there's a lot of valuable science that's

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<v Speaker 1>going on now. From the military standpoint, they want things

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<v Speaker 1>that are applicable, right, they want things that they can

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<v Speaker 1>use as soon as possible to make their operations more effective. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>The scientists, they it's not that they don't want that,

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<v Speaker 1>but they also want to do exploratory science. Well, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>because we can never predict what all of the applications

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<v Speaker 1>of exploratory science are going to be. I mean, when

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<v Speaker 1>we learn things about the natural world that might just

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<v Speaker 1>seem like, you know, pure information with no technological application,

0:13:45.400 --> 0:13:47.840
<v Speaker 1>a lot of times, ten years down the road, it's like, oh,

0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:50.680
<v Speaker 1>good thing, we know that, because now we can make

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<v Speaker 1>this thing that cleans your bathtub with the power of

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<v Speaker 1>of puppy magic. Yeah, that's that's almost exactly how I

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<v Speaker 1>would have raised that. Yeah, oh no, you're absolutely right.

0:14:01.280 --> 0:14:05.640
<v Speaker 1>Exploratory science by its very nature, gives rise to developments

0:14:05.679 --> 0:14:09.000
<v Speaker 1>that we could not anticipate because we're exploring, right, I mean,

0:14:09.080 --> 0:14:12.200
<v Speaker 1>exploring is one of those things I'm really excited about

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<v Speaker 1>in just about every avenue because you never know what

0:14:16.000 --> 0:14:19.640
<v Speaker 1>you're going to uncover and what could potentially become not

0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:23.400
<v Speaker 1>only useful, but maybe it's gonna be the the core

0:14:23.640 --> 0:14:26.680
<v Speaker 1>of some new technology that makes lot you know, it

0:14:26.720 --> 0:14:31.480
<v Speaker 1>could completely transform life, um as we knew it. So Okay,

0:14:31.520 --> 0:14:34.760
<v Speaker 1>So so we've talked a little bit about some of

0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:37.920
<v Speaker 1>the parts that that HARP includes, but what exactly is

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<v Speaker 1>on the list here? Alright? So we gotta let's let's

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<v Speaker 1>let's run down a list of some of the equipment

0:14:44.120 --> 0:14:46.120
<v Speaker 1>at this facility. We've talked about how there are a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of these antenna arrays, but what is exactly does

0:14:49.360 --> 0:14:51.800
<v Speaker 1>that mean? Well, first, you've got your high power, high

0:14:51.920 --> 0:14:57.320
<v Speaker 1>frequency phased array radio transmitter which has the name the

0:14:57.400 --> 0:15:01.360
<v Speaker 1>ion A Sphere Research Instrument or i are I, and

0:15:01.440 --> 0:15:06.120
<v Speaker 1>that's specifically used to stimulate small, well defined volumes of

0:15:06.160 --> 0:15:10.360
<v Speaker 1>the ionosphere regions uh nor more or less directly above

0:15:10.480 --> 0:15:13.440
<v Speaker 1>the HARP facility. Yeah, it can't really range out of it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's working sort of like a magnifying glass of the

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<v Speaker 1>way that the array is set up so that it's

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<v Speaker 1>just pinpointing a very small amount of ionosphere. Yeah, in

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<v Speaker 1>the most in the simplest terms here, you're talking about

0:15:24.360 --> 0:15:27.920
<v Speaker 1>aiming radio waves up at the sky to do stuff

0:15:27.920 --> 0:15:32.160
<v Speaker 1>in the ionosphere. Essentially, you're exciting the particles up in

0:15:32.160 --> 0:15:35.240
<v Speaker 1>the ionosphere, adding energy to them. So in in many

0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:39.200
<v Speaker 1>cases you'll hear a phrase like the I an ionosphere heater,

0:15:39.720 --> 0:15:42.840
<v Speaker 1>where they're heating the ionosphere. Now in this case, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not like they've got a whole bunch of hair dryers

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<v Speaker 1>and they're pointing them up at the sky. They're exciting

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<v Speaker 1>particles exactly. They're using radio waves to excite particles. Now,

0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:53.480
<v Speaker 1>when you're exciting particles, you're adding energy, they start moving

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<v Speaker 1>around faster. Heat is essentially the movement of molecules. So

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<v Speaker 1>really it's not that it's um misleading or anything. It's

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<v Speaker 1>just kind of I think a lot of us think

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<v Speaker 1>of heating like you've added some sort of heating element

0:16:05.840 --> 0:16:07.480
<v Speaker 1>up there, but that's not really what's going on. The

0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:10.960
<v Speaker 1>heat is really a byproduct of everything else. The study. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>so the idea here is that they use this to

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<v Speaker 1>excite certain small regions of the ionosphere directly above the

0:16:17.560 --> 0:16:20.920
<v Speaker 1>Hart facility. Uh, and then run various experiments on. Now

0:16:20.920 --> 0:16:24.520
<v Speaker 1>this this does do cool things, like it creates plasma.

0:16:24.600 --> 0:16:28.360
<v Speaker 1>So you get ionized gas, which is a conductive gas. Right,

0:16:28.400 --> 0:16:31.440
<v Speaker 1>it's got free ions running through it. You can actually

0:16:31.520 --> 0:16:35.080
<v Speaker 1>run an electrical current through plasma. So uh. And there

0:16:35.120 --> 0:16:37.720
<v Speaker 1>already are plasma bands in the ionosphere. It's not like

0:16:37.760 --> 0:16:41.080
<v Speaker 1>we're introducing something that isn't already there. This is just

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<v Speaker 1>kind of a way of studying that. So they also

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<v Speaker 1>have a high frequency ion a sonda, also known as

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<v Speaker 1>a chirp sounder. I love that term. And this is

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<v Speaker 1>a type of radar. Yeah, it's they chirp at the sky. No,

0:16:56.280 --> 0:16:58.280
<v Speaker 1>I wasn't laughing at the chirp. I was laughing at

0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:04.320
<v Speaker 1>the first words. So that again, I on a Sanda dessert. Yeah, monsieur,

0:17:05.200 --> 0:17:10.600
<v Speaker 1>the Yeah, I'm sure, be very Uh. What does a

0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:14.200
<v Speaker 1>chirp sounder do. So, it's a radar. It emits high

0:17:14.200 --> 0:17:17.600
<v Speaker 1>frequency radio waves over a very wide range of frequencies,

0:17:17.640 --> 0:17:20.720
<v Speaker 1>and it's specifically used to examine the ionosphere, as you

0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:25.600
<v Speaker 1>would expect from iona sanda um. Uh, And so engineers

0:17:25.640 --> 0:17:28.840
<v Speaker 1>would use these to find the ideal operation frequencies for

0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:32.920
<v Speaker 1>two way radio communications in most cases. So in other words,

0:17:32.920 --> 0:17:35.320
<v Speaker 1>you might use this to see, all right, well, this

0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:37.640
<v Speaker 1>particular frequency band is going to be the most effective

0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:42.040
<v Speaker 1>considering the distance between the two communication points. Uh. Now,

0:17:42.400 --> 0:17:45.159
<v Speaker 1>of course HARP is using it to really study the

0:17:45.200 --> 0:17:49.000
<v Speaker 1>effects that there are other instruments have upon the ionosphere itself.

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<v Speaker 1>Then you've got the extremely low frequency and very low

0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:58.080
<v Speaker 1>frequency receivers. Uh. So, yeah, ELF and VLF. These are

0:17:58.119 --> 0:18:01.080
<v Speaker 1>those frequencies I was talking about the If you're looking

0:18:01.080 --> 0:18:04.600
<v Speaker 1>at the extremely low frequency range, typically we say that's

0:18:04.640 --> 0:18:08.159
<v Speaker 1>three to thirty hurts, but in atmospheric science, it actually

0:18:08.240 --> 0:18:11.679
<v Speaker 1>is three hurts to three killer hurts. And then and

0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:14.600
<v Speaker 1>then very low is three killer hurts to thirty killer hurts.

0:18:14.880 --> 0:18:19.360
<v Speaker 1>And this is where we get into those crazy long wavelengths.

0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:22.080
<v Speaker 1>So um, on the short end, if you're talking about

0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:24.399
<v Speaker 1>thirty killer hurts, you're talking about around ten kilometers for

0:18:24.440 --> 0:18:26.719
<v Speaker 1>your wavelength. And on the long end, if you're going

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<v Speaker 1>all the way down to three hurts, you're talking about

0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:32.280
<v Speaker 1>a hundred thousand kilometers. So these are incredibly long uh.

0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:36.000
<v Speaker 1>Radio waves, and um, this is that stuff that's going

0:18:36.040 --> 0:18:39.320
<v Speaker 1>to possibly do better than than or that does do

0:18:39.400 --> 0:18:42.520
<v Speaker 1>better than regular radio in in like submarines and things.

0:18:42.520 --> 0:18:44.640
<v Speaker 1>It's also one of the other and this is something

0:18:44.680 --> 0:18:46.960
<v Speaker 1>else the military was very interested in. One of the

0:18:46.960 --> 0:18:49.360
<v Speaker 1>other things that can do is penetrate the ground and

0:18:49.480 --> 0:18:53.159
<v Speaker 1>potentially discover things like the location of an underground bunker,

0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:56.639
<v Speaker 1>which you could probably understand the military would think, hey,

0:18:57.440 --> 0:19:01.520
<v Speaker 1>that's handy. Those They also another reason why they have

0:19:01.600 --> 0:19:06.520
<v Speaker 1>these receivers is because they discovered that by agitating the ionosphere,

0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:11.320
<v Speaker 1>you could create these frequencies of radio waves up in

0:19:11.359 --> 0:19:14.560
<v Speaker 1>the ionosphere. And so the thought was, maybe you could

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<v Speaker 1>do that instead of building those incredibly huge antenna to

0:19:19.920 --> 0:19:24.080
<v Speaker 1>to broadcast summary, maybe you could just use the ionosphere itself. However,

0:19:24.119 --> 0:19:27.800
<v Speaker 1>that hasn't really panned out. Um, then you have magnet magnetometers,

0:19:28.640 --> 0:19:31.400
<v Speaker 1>or magnetometers as I like to call them. These are

0:19:31.440 --> 0:19:36.639
<v Speaker 1>not used to measure supervillains, but rather to measure magnetic fields,

0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:39.360
<v Speaker 1>their their strength and their direction. I think it's technically

0:19:39.480 --> 0:19:44.400
<v Speaker 1>magnetom eaters. Magnetom eaters. Okay, thank you Joe, always keeping

0:19:44.480 --> 0:19:48.520
<v Speaker 1>us on task. And then uh, we have rio meters,

0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:53.200
<v Speaker 1>which I was going to make a nineteen eighties new

0:19:53.200 --> 0:19:55.680
<v Speaker 1>wave reference. But yeah, I'm not gonna I'm gonna back

0:19:55.720 --> 0:19:58.000
<v Speaker 1>off of that. But no, that's that stands for the

0:19:58.680 --> 0:20:05.040
<v Speaker 1>good job avoiding that if only. Uh No, but this

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<v Speaker 1>is a relative ionospheric opacity meter, and that measures electromagnetic

0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:13.840
<v Speaker 1>wave absorption in the ionosphere. Now that was originally developed

0:20:13.840 --> 0:20:15.960
<v Speaker 1>by researchers at the University of Alaska. This was what

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<v Speaker 1>I was talking about when they wanted to find out

0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:21.280
<v Speaker 1>the effects of aurora on radio waves. This is the

0:20:21.280 --> 0:20:23.600
<v Speaker 1>sort of technology they were developing. Then you have a

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<v Speaker 1>uh F diagnostic radar, which is a radar that works

0:20:26.640 --> 0:20:30.600
<v Speaker 1>at ultra high frequency radio wave frequencies if I can

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<v Speaker 1>be a little repetitive and redundant. And then you have

0:20:33.760 --> 0:20:37.800
<v Speaker 1>finally optical and infrared spectrometers and cameras which are used

0:20:37.800 --> 0:20:42.360
<v Speaker 1>to observe the complex natural variations of Alaska's ionosphere as

0:20:42.359 --> 0:20:45.240
<v Speaker 1>well as to detect artificial effects produced by the I

0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:48.520
<v Speaker 1>R I. So that's kind of a rundown on the

0:20:48.560 --> 0:20:52.119
<v Speaker 1>general equipment that they're using over at HARP, or that

0:20:52.200 --> 0:20:55.280
<v Speaker 1>they have been using at HARP and uh and what

0:20:55.440 --> 0:21:00.000
<v Speaker 1>that stuff is supposed to do. So there you go. Okay,

0:21:00.119 --> 0:21:01.840
<v Speaker 1>we we've covered a bunch of the different ways that

0:21:01.880 --> 0:21:05.480
<v Speaker 1>this equipment is being used. But um, I think I

0:21:05.520 --> 0:21:08.919
<v Speaker 1>think the ones that we haven't covered so far involve

0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:13.120
<v Speaker 1>uh space applications. Yeah, there are a couple of different

0:21:13.280 --> 0:21:16.520
<v Speaker 1>space applications. Well, one is is just figuring out how

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<v Speaker 1>to how to handle things like solar flares more effectively.

0:21:21.640 --> 0:21:25.640
<v Speaker 1>So when a solar flare uh impacts the Earth, you're

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<v Speaker 1>talking about a lot of these high energy particles interacting

0:21:28.760 --> 0:21:33.400
<v Speaker 1>and energy interacting with our ionosphere, making it more um

0:21:33.600 --> 0:21:36.919
<v Speaker 1>aggravated active. Maybe we can say, like you probably have

0:21:37.000 --> 0:21:41.359
<v Speaker 1>heard stories about so giant solar flare storms that caused

0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:45.879
<v Speaker 1>spectacular aurora. Right, there was a solar storm in the

0:21:45.920 --> 0:21:49.359
<v Speaker 1>eighteen hundreds that I believe they said caused all kinds

0:21:49.359 --> 0:21:53.520
<v Speaker 1>of electrical malfunctions around the world and there and supposedly

0:21:53.600 --> 0:21:56.880
<v Speaker 1>people as far south as Cuba could see the northern lights,

0:21:57.480 --> 0:22:01.040
<v Speaker 1>which is phenomenal. I mean normally can't see those if

0:22:01.040 --> 0:22:03.680
<v Speaker 1>yourself of say Canada. I mean, don't get me wrong,

0:22:03.720 --> 0:22:06.000
<v Speaker 1>I want my laptop to continue working, but I but

0:22:06.119 --> 0:22:07.840
<v Speaker 1>that would be really cool now, it would be kind

0:22:07.840 --> 0:22:10.200
<v Speaker 1>of pretty to see but I'm actually willing to travel

0:22:10.280 --> 0:22:12.840
<v Speaker 1>up there to see it rather than have it zapped

0:22:12.880 --> 0:22:16.119
<v Speaker 1>the entire power grid, because, yeah, that it can cause

0:22:16.160 --> 0:22:20.400
<v Speaker 1>electromagnetic interference, which is a major problem in today's technology.

0:22:20.640 --> 0:22:24.359
<v Speaker 1>We didn't have orbital electronics back then, and we had

0:22:24.400 --> 0:22:26.439
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure it would have been a really bad scene

0:22:26.480 --> 0:22:28.719
<v Speaker 1>for them. One of the other things that that I

0:22:28.720 --> 0:22:32.280
<v Speaker 1>think they say can sort of like pump the the

0:22:32.320 --> 0:22:35.560
<v Speaker 1>ionosphere like like a solar storm, would also be a

0:22:35.680 --> 0:22:39.800
<v Speaker 1>high altitude nuclear explosion. Sure, so if you had, like

0:22:39.840 --> 0:22:43.639
<v Speaker 1>a somebody detonate a nuclear bomb way up high up

0:22:43.640 --> 0:22:46.040
<v Speaker 1>off the surface of the Earth, it could set off

0:22:46.040 --> 0:22:48.320
<v Speaker 1>this chain of reactions that could it could do the

0:22:48.359 --> 0:22:52.560
<v Speaker 1>same thing. It could cause major atmospheric e m P. Yeah,

0:22:52.640 --> 0:22:55.280
<v Speaker 1>lots of charge particles bouncing around that would interfere with

0:22:55.280 --> 0:22:58.760
<v Speaker 1>electronics and potentially damage satellites that we depend on for

0:22:58.800 --> 0:23:01.320
<v Speaker 1>all kinds of things. So there's the potential of using

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<v Speaker 1>HARP to at least study ways where we can mitigate

0:23:04.160 --> 0:23:06.680
<v Speaker 1>that as much as possible, should that ever happen. There's

0:23:06.720 --> 0:23:09.280
<v Speaker 1>also the idea of using I mean the some of

0:23:09.320 --> 0:23:12.919
<v Speaker 1>the experiments they they've done is uh, they've created plasma

0:23:13.000 --> 0:23:16.919
<v Speaker 1>and optical emissions using this high frequency radio beams to

0:23:16.960 --> 0:23:19.399
<v Speaker 1>excite the ionosphere, which is this is part of the

0:23:19.400 --> 0:23:22.200
<v Speaker 1>exploratory science, right they're just kind of zapping it to

0:23:22.240 --> 0:23:27.159
<v Speaker 1>see what happens, which I'm I'm oversimplifying, so I do

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<v Speaker 1>apologize if any of the folks out there have actively

0:23:30.000 --> 0:23:32.560
<v Speaker 1>worked on these projects. But it's really to kind of

0:23:32.880 --> 0:23:35.560
<v Speaker 1>learn more about these interactions and find out exactly what

0:23:35.720 --> 0:23:39.720
<v Speaker 1>are the the the mechanisms behind it, and you know,

0:23:39.840 --> 0:23:43.840
<v Speaker 1>are there any useful applications. It's kind of a secondary consideration.

0:23:43.880 --> 0:23:47.520
<v Speaker 1>We're really just learning about basics of our atmosphere here.

0:23:47.840 --> 0:23:52.440
<v Speaker 1>There's also a study of the Moon's surface using HARP,

0:23:52.520 --> 0:23:55.840
<v Speaker 1>which I thought this was super interesting. They were using

0:23:56.840 --> 0:24:00.960
<v Speaker 1>ground based radar and firing it at the Moon essentially,

0:24:01.040 --> 0:24:04.399
<v Speaker 1>so you're you're shooting radar waves towards the Moon, so

0:24:04.440 --> 0:24:06.719
<v Speaker 1>they're trying to blow up the Moon. They're looking at

0:24:06.760 --> 0:24:09.120
<v Speaker 1>the Moon. They're just looking at the Moon. But these

0:24:09.200 --> 0:24:11.879
<v Speaker 1>radio these radar waves rather are hitting the Moon and

0:24:11.920 --> 0:24:15.159
<v Speaker 1>then they would reflect off and instead of trying to

0:24:15.200 --> 0:24:18.120
<v Speaker 1>collect this information back on the Earth, where you would

0:24:18.200 --> 0:24:22.320
<v Speaker 1>run into problems where there's this effect called scintillation scintillation

0:24:22.359 --> 0:24:25.399
<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean you but suddenly become incredibly interesting in conversation.

0:24:25.840 --> 0:24:28.439
<v Speaker 1>It means that it actually can change the amplitude and

0:24:28.480 --> 0:24:31.679
<v Speaker 1>frequency of waves so that you get corrupted data when

0:24:31.720 --> 0:24:36.880
<v Speaker 1>it comes back through atmosphere. Yeah, and so you end

0:24:36.960 --> 0:24:39.640
<v Speaker 1>up having a problem there. So how do you get

0:24:39.640 --> 0:24:42.879
<v Speaker 1>around that? Well, in this case, Heart was partnering with NASA,

0:24:43.200 --> 0:24:47.800
<v Speaker 1>so a NASA satellite was receiving the reflected the echoes

0:24:47.880 --> 0:24:51.080
<v Speaker 1>of that radar transmission and getting the actual data of

0:24:51.119 --> 0:24:53.840
<v Speaker 1>the Moon's surface. So they were able to study the

0:24:53.840 --> 0:24:58.199
<v Speaker 1>Moon's surface from the Earth using radar and using a

0:24:58.280 --> 0:25:00.600
<v Speaker 1>satellite to collect the information, which is kind of a

0:25:00.680 --> 0:25:03.359
<v Speaker 1>cool thing. In fact, according to to the folks at HARP,

0:25:03.520 --> 0:25:05.640
<v Speaker 1>it's the first time anything like that had ever been

0:25:05.680 --> 0:25:10.840
<v Speaker 1>done using ground based technology to do a radar study

0:25:10.880 --> 0:25:15.080
<v Speaker 1>of a celestial body that was then collected by a spacecraft, which,

0:25:15.359 --> 0:25:16.960
<v Speaker 1>you know the way, if you phrase it like that,

0:25:17.040 --> 0:25:19.320
<v Speaker 1>it sounds like that's a the plot line in a

0:25:19.320 --> 0:25:22.320
<v Speaker 1>Star Trek episode. So I thought that was really cool.

0:25:22.960 --> 0:25:26.760
<v Speaker 1>So that kind of covers the basic uh uses of

0:25:26.840 --> 0:25:28.919
<v Speaker 1>HARP so far. But there've also been a couple of

0:25:28.920 --> 0:25:32.040
<v Speaker 1>others that have been mentioned as potential uses. We've covered

0:25:32.080 --> 0:25:36.680
<v Speaker 1>one with the nuclear the dealing with a nuclear situation

0:25:36.720 --> 0:25:41.600
<v Speaker 1>where you're trying to contain particle. Yeah, there's also in May,

0:25:42.200 --> 0:25:45.480
<v Speaker 1>the National Academies they had a workshop in Washington where

0:25:45.480 --> 0:25:48.160
<v Speaker 1>they basically just talked about the future of HARP. Are

0:25:48.160 --> 0:25:51.000
<v Speaker 1>we going to fund it? What uses it? You know? Um?

0:25:51.320 --> 0:25:53.600
<v Speaker 1>And so they had a report that came out on

0:25:53.640 --> 0:25:57.200
<v Speaker 1>this workshop and that listed some of the potential practical

0:25:57.320 --> 0:26:01.080
<v Speaker 1>uses that the scientists attending the conference talk about. One

0:26:01.080 --> 0:26:03.560
<v Speaker 1>of the ones that I thought was really interesting was

0:26:03.640 --> 0:26:07.560
<v Speaker 1>about space to breathe. They imagined using something like HARP,

0:26:07.680 --> 0:26:10.320
<v Speaker 1>or at least research that came out of HARP, to

0:26:10.359 --> 0:26:13.840
<v Speaker 1>help de orbit old satellites and spacecraft that have become

0:26:13.920 --> 0:26:16.119
<v Speaker 1>space to breathe. So we know the problem of space

0:26:16.160 --> 0:26:18.200
<v Speaker 1>to breathe. Jonathan did a video on it one time,

0:26:18.240 --> 0:26:21.600
<v Speaker 1>We've done a podcast. But basically, a satellite outlives its

0:26:21.680 --> 0:26:24.399
<v Speaker 1>usefulness or it stops working or something like that, and

0:26:24.520 --> 0:26:26.200
<v Speaker 1>we don't have a pulsterring to bring it back down

0:26:26.240 --> 0:26:28.800
<v Speaker 1>to Earth. So it's basically just up there until it

0:26:28.960 --> 0:26:32.879
<v Speaker 1>loses orbit, right, And the worry is, oh, well, we

0:26:32.920 --> 0:26:36.320
<v Speaker 1>don't want it crashing into anything, and especially not in

0:26:36.400 --> 0:26:42.320
<v Speaker 1>space like currently working satellites. Yeah, exactly so, but it's

0:26:42.320 --> 0:26:45.679
<v Speaker 1>speculated that you could send HARP signals that might be

0:26:45.680 --> 0:26:49.280
<v Speaker 1>able to trigger an ion outflow, and what that would

0:26:49.320 --> 0:26:53.119
<v Speaker 1>do is increase the drag on a targeted space vehicle.

0:26:53.520 --> 0:26:55.919
<v Speaker 1>So you'd have a satellite that you want to de

0:26:56.080 --> 0:26:58.960
<v Speaker 1>orbit and this ion outflow could help slow it down

0:26:59.280 --> 0:27:01.680
<v Speaker 1>so that it's a bit decays quicker and it burns

0:27:01.720 --> 0:27:04.000
<v Speaker 1>up in the atmosphere. Yeah, So essentially you're you're like

0:27:04.080 --> 0:27:07.520
<v Speaker 1>creating an electro magnetic drag on this thing which is

0:27:07.560 --> 0:27:12.520
<v Speaker 1>parachute behind. Obviously also hypothetical right now, It's not something

0:27:12.520 --> 0:27:15.840
<v Speaker 1>that we've necessarily done, right, this is a speculation about

0:27:15.920 --> 0:27:20.640
<v Speaker 1>possible future applications of HARP. Well, and this was last

0:27:20.680 --> 0:27:24.600
<v Speaker 1>year obviously when it's future was less certain, but it

0:27:24.760 --> 0:27:28.280
<v Speaker 1>could still apply to research along the lines of HARP. Yeah,

0:27:28.400 --> 0:27:30.320
<v Speaker 1>and and keep in mind, like the reason why we're

0:27:30.400 --> 0:27:33.879
<v Speaker 1>saying while we're couching all this is because currently it

0:27:33.920 --> 0:27:37.280
<v Speaker 1>looks like HARP is going to be completely defunded in

0:27:37.440 --> 0:27:40.439
<v Speaker 1>the near future. It already shut down once in the

0:27:40.600 --> 0:27:44.680
<v Speaker 1>summer of actually at the towards the end of May,

0:27:45.440 --> 0:27:49.600
<v Speaker 1>and it was only reported on by around July that

0:27:49.760 --> 0:27:52.399
<v Speaker 1>UH that HARP had shut down. There was that the

0:27:52.440 --> 0:27:55.200
<v Speaker 1>facility was empty, all the generators had been turned off,

0:27:55.560 --> 0:27:57.640
<v Speaker 1>like the website was down because no one could pay

0:27:57.720 --> 0:28:00.000
<v Speaker 1>the University of Alaska to keep it up. Yeah, which

0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:02.480
<v Speaker 1>that's pretty serious right there. I mean, I think I

0:28:02.480 --> 0:28:04.879
<v Speaker 1>think the first website I ever made is still up

0:28:04.920 --> 0:28:09.240
<v Speaker 1>somewhere on the internet. But took mine down. Oh yeah,

0:28:09.600 --> 0:28:13.320
<v Speaker 1>so yeah, it's a it's a it's a let me guess,

0:28:13.400 --> 0:28:18.159
<v Speaker 1>let me guess, genesis, middies. I'm not gonna I'm not

0:28:18.200 --> 0:28:21.560
<v Speaker 1>gonna dignify that with a response at any rate. So,

0:28:22.680 --> 0:28:27.600
<v Speaker 1>at any rate, the it's shut down at the the

0:28:27.640 --> 0:28:30.720
<v Speaker 1>explanation was that was actually changing hands, that a different

0:28:31.240 --> 0:28:34.880
<v Speaker 1>UH group was coming in to take over the facility,

0:28:35.080 --> 0:28:39.080
<v Speaker 1>and it came back online briefly anyway, But it's already

0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:41.040
<v Speaker 1>this is the beginning of two thousand fourteen when we're

0:28:41.120 --> 0:28:45.200
<v Speaker 1>recording this podcast, and at the moment, it sounds like,

0:28:45.400 --> 0:28:48.360
<v Speaker 1>once the Department of Defense is done with a series

0:28:48.440 --> 0:28:53.320
<v Speaker 1>of final experiments, UH, this facility may shut down unless

0:28:53.440 --> 0:28:56.400
<v Speaker 1>some other group comes in and takes it over because

0:28:56.440 --> 0:28:59.120
<v Speaker 1>it's really expensive to run yeah. I mean I have

0:28:59.160 --> 0:29:01.160
<v Speaker 1>a vague feeling that someone's going to be interested in

0:29:01.240 --> 0:29:08.360
<v Speaker 1>keeping this thing going, um, exactly, yeah, or the interdimensional reptilian. Okay,

0:29:08.400 --> 0:29:11.640
<v Speaker 1>so I already have a good theory as to why

0:29:11.680 --> 0:29:15.080
<v Speaker 1>the interdimensional reptilians are a no go in terms of

0:29:15.160 --> 0:29:17.520
<v Speaker 1>explaining this. But we can get into by not existing

0:29:17.600 --> 0:29:21.760
<v Speaker 1>into the into the conspiracy theories. Now. Yeah, but here's

0:29:21.800 --> 0:29:24.520
<v Speaker 1>my thing on the reptilian. We all know that they

0:29:24.560 --> 0:29:28.880
<v Speaker 1>live in underground chambers, right and secretly rule the world

0:29:28.960 --> 0:29:32.240
<v Speaker 1>from these vast underground caverns. What is one of the

0:29:32.240 --> 0:29:36.280
<v Speaker 1>things that HARP can do help us detect underground bunkers.

0:29:36.280 --> 0:29:38.840
<v Speaker 1>The reptilians don't want to have their bunkers, they're the

0:29:38.880 --> 0:29:41.200
<v Speaker 1>ones controlling it. Then they can just pointed at all

0:29:41.200 --> 0:29:44.120
<v Speaker 1>the places where the bunkers aren't. Okay, first of all,

0:29:44.160 --> 0:29:46.760
<v Speaker 1>none of us believe about these these reptilians. Let's make

0:29:46.800 --> 0:29:49.560
<v Speaker 1>that clear. We're all being very facetious. Let's discuss all

0:29:49.600 --> 0:29:52.720
<v Speaker 1>of the bizarre stuff we've seen people saying about HARP

0:29:52.800 --> 0:29:55.640
<v Speaker 1>on the Internet. Let's let's be fair. Okay, So there

0:29:55.680 --> 0:29:59.000
<v Speaker 1>are a lot of conspiracy theories about HARP, fringe theories,

0:29:59.040 --> 0:30:03.360
<v Speaker 1>please thank you. Conspiracy theories about HARP on the fringe,

0:30:03.880 --> 0:30:09.040
<v Speaker 1>and um, these fringe theories are there's there's a seed there.

0:30:09.160 --> 0:30:12.800
<v Speaker 1>I can understand why the seed had been planted and

0:30:12.840 --> 0:30:16.880
<v Speaker 1>grown into a beautiful fringe flower in some people's minds.

0:30:16.920 --> 0:30:19.480
<v Speaker 1>So if you look back at the history of HARP,

0:30:19.960 --> 0:30:23.680
<v Speaker 1>there was a fellow physicist by the name Bernard Eastland

0:30:24.080 --> 0:30:28.320
<v Speaker 1>who patented several different like he filed for several patents

0:30:28.320 --> 0:30:30.640
<v Speaker 1>and and got patents for these ideas that he had

0:30:30.720 --> 0:30:34.760
<v Speaker 1>about exciting the ionosphere. So he was looking at using

0:30:34.960 --> 0:30:37.760
<v Speaker 1>this big natural gas deposits have been found in Alaska

0:30:37.920 --> 0:30:41.720
<v Speaker 1>as means to fuel an ionosphere heater, so the same

0:30:41.720 --> 0:30:44.440
<v Speaker 1>sort of technology we're talking about to study the effects

0:30:44.480 --> 0:30:48.440
<v Speaker 1>on the ionosphere. But he also hypothesized about some other

0:30:48.560 --> 0:30:53.080
<v Speaker 1>things that this device might possibly do. And these are

0:30:53.200 --> 0:30:55.880
<v Speaker 1>things that have taken hold in the minds of people

0:30:55.880 --> 0:30:58.960
<v Speaker 1>who really subscribe to these fringe theories. So here are

0:30:59.000 --> 0:31:01.600
<v Speaker 1>two and these these are direct quotes from the one

0:31:01.600 --> 0:31:05.440
<v Speaker 1>of the patents. One was whether modification is possible by,

0:31:05.520 --> 0:31:09.520
<v Speaker 1>for example, altering upper atmosphere wind patterns or altering solar

0:31:09.560 --> 0:31:14.040
<v Speaker 1>absorption patterns by constructing one or more plumes of atmospheric

0:31:14.080 --> 0:31:17.240
<v Speaker 1>particles which will act as a lens or focusing device.

0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:21.560
<v Speaker 1>Another is and again I quote as alluded to earlier,

0:31:21.680 --> 0:31:26.680
<v Speaker 1>missile or aircraft destruction, deflection, or confusion could result, particularly

0:31:26.720 --> 0:31:30.480
<v Speaker 1>when relativistic particles are employed. Also, large regions of the

0:31:30.520 --> 0:31:34.320
<v Speaker 1>atmosphere could be lifted to an unexpectedly high altitude, so

0:31:34.360 --> 0:31:38.640
<v Speaker 1>that missiles encounter unexpected and unplanned drag forces, with resultant

0:31:38.680 --> 0:31:42.360
<v Speaker 1>destruction or deflection of same. I would like to put

0:31:42.400 --> 0:31:45.400
<v Speaker 1>in at this juncture that when, um, the government approves

0:31:45.400 --> 0:31:48.959
<v Speaker 1>a patent, it doesn't necessarily mean that they're stamping it

0:31:49.080 --> 0:31:52.760
<v Speaker 1>with with something that just says science fact. Um, this

0:31:52.880 --> 0:31:58.040
<v Speaker 1>is all theorization. Yeah, it was completely hypothetical. And furthermore,

0:31:58.080 --> 0:32:00.960
<v Speaker 1>there was no need to actually roof that it works

0:32:01.000 --> 0:32:02.560
<v Speaker 1>in order to get a patent. Yeah. I mean this

0:32:02.640 --> 0:32:05.040
<v Speaker 1>is something tons of people take advantage of. You. You

0:32:05.120 --> 0:32:07.800
<v Speaker 1>just you have an idea and your patented that that

0:32:07.840 --> 0:32:10.840
<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean it works, right yeah. Yeah. So And and

0:32:10.960 --> 0:32:14.000
<v Speaker 1>in fact, when the Department of Defense decided to do

0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:19.160
<v Speaker 1>a feasibility study based on these ideas, uh, they looked

0:32:19.160 --> 0:32:22.320
<v Speaker 1>at a bunch of different companies to you know, contract

0:32:22.360 --> 0:32:24.680
<v Speaker 1>out and and try and build stuff to do this.

0:32:24.720 --> 0:32:28.720
<v Speaker 1>And one of those companies had a consultant named Dennis Papadopoulis,

0:32:29.280 --> 0:32:34.120
<v Speaker 1>and uh Papadopoulis ended up looking at these these projected

0:32:34.200 --> 0:32:38.600
<v Speaker 1>ideas of East Lends and said, yeah, that's not that

0:32:38.640 --> 0:32:40.600
<v Speaker 1>would not work. I mean, it wouldn't work even if

0:32:40.640 --> 0:32:44.160
<v Speaker 1>you had this place at an ideal location, which the

0:32:44.320 --> 0:32:47.840
<v Speaker 1>area in Alaska was not ideal for these particular applications

0:32:47.840 --> 0:32:51.400
<v Speaker 1>like weather modification and destroying a missile um. He said,

0:32:51.720 --> 0:32:54.040
<v Speaker 1>even if it were in the best position on the planet,

0:32:54.040 --> 0:32:57.880
<v Speaker 1>it's still wouldn't work. However, important science could be done

0:32:58.080 --> 0:33:00.920
<v Speaker 1>using this kind of technology. So if we can just

0:33:00.960 --> 0:33:03.480
<v Speaker 1>figure out a way to sell it to the military,

0:33:03.680 --> 0:33:05.240
<v Speaker 1>then we can get the money to build it, and

0:33:05.240 --> 0:33:07.880
<v Speaker 1>then we can actually do research. And his point was

0:33:07.920 --> 0:33:11.200
<v Speaker 1>saying that radio research had really taken a back seat

0:33:11.680 --> 0:33:14.240
<v Speaker 1>for a really long time since the nineteen fifties, really,

0:33:14.960 --> 0:33:18.080
<v Speaker 1>and that in order to get back to doing you know,

0:33:18.200 --> 0:33:21.080
<v Speaker 1>groundbreaking research, you know, you have to figure out how

0:33:21.120 --> 0:33:23.600
<v Speaker 1>you're going to fund it. And he didn't want to

0:33:23.640 --> 0:33:27.040
<v Speaker 1>create false reasons, right, he didn't want to give them

0:33:27.040 --> 0:33:30.200
<v Speaker 1>a false sense of this is what this device can

0:33:30.240 --> 0:33:32.560
<v Speaker 1>possibly do, of course not. But I mean but the

0:33:32.600 --> 0:33:35.760
<v Speaker 1>military and the government, especially a couple of decades ago,

0:33:35.920 --> 0:33:38.080
<v Speaker 1>had a great deal of money to to throw at

0:33:38.120 --> 0:33:41.400
<v Speaker 1>scientific pursuits like this and just you know, angling it

0:33:41.640 --> 0:33:43.920
<v Speaker 1>so that they would pick up on that. Yeah, And

0:33:43.960 --> 0:33:46.080
<v Speaker 1>in this case, he the way he angled it was

0:33:46.200 --> 0:33:49.400
<v Speaker 1>rather than talk about whether modification and missiles being destroyed,

0:33:49.440 --> 0:33:52.000
<v Speaker 1>he would talk more about the extremely low frequency and

0:33:52.120 --> 0:33:55.800
<v Speaker 1>very low frequency bands and the possible applications that could

0:33:55.840 --> 0:33:58.880
<v Speaker 1>be those could be used. And that's what got the

0:33:59.480 --> 0:34:04.120
<v Speaker 1>ball roll rolling. And so um, there's another interesting conspiracy

0:34:04.200 --> 0:34:07.440
<v Speaker 1>theory about HARP besides weather modification. So so the weather

0:34:07.480 --> 0:34:10.480
<v Speaker 1>modification thing doesn't really pan out. It's just there's no

0:34:10.560 --> 0:34:13.480
<v Speaker 1>way that HARP could really do it. They can't direct

0:34:13.520 --> 0:34:16.919
<v Speaker 1>any sort of energy to lens the atmosphere. Plus the

0:34:16.920 --> 0:34:19.960
<v Speaker 1>weather happens in the troposphere, and the ionosphere is really

0:34:20.040 --> 0:34:22.319
<v Speaker 1>far away from the troposphere. One thing I do want

0:34:22.360 --> 0:34:25.399
<v Speaker 1>to clarify. I think what you're saying is that it's

0:34:25.440 --> 0:34:28.040
<v Speaker 1>not just that, hey, this isn't what they're trying to do.

0:34:28.480 --> 0:34:31.520
<v Speaker 1>It's that even if they wanted to, they probably couldn't

0:34:31.600 --> 0:34:33.840
<v Speaker 1>control the weather. I guess they might be able to

0:34:33.920 --> 0:34:36.880
<v Speaker 1>change a little bit of parts of the atmosphere directly

0:34:36.920 --> 0:34:40.319
<v Speaker 1>above their own. I think that I'm not sure if

0:34:40.360 --> 0:34:42.160
<v Speaker 1>that would. I think the most they could do is

0:34:42.320 --> 0:34:49.080
<v Speaker 1>maybe change how much, like how much radiation gets gets in.

0:34:49.160 --> 0:34:51.720
<v Speaker 1>So that because because you know, weather patterns are largely

0:34:51.760 --> 0:34:54.120
<v Speaker 1>affected by changes in heat, that's the main that's the

0:34:54.160 --> 0:34:57.240
<v Speaker 1>main thing that changes these weather patterns. Right, So in theory,

0:34:57.400 --> 0:34:59.480
<v Speaker 1>if you were able to change the amount of energy

0:34:59.560 --> 0:35:01.920
<v Speaker 1>coming in to the earth, you would therefore change the weather.

0:35:01.920 --> 0:35:04.400
<v Speaker 1>But it would not be in a necessarily predictable or

0:35:04.480 --> 0:35:08.600
<v Speaker 1>controllable way. So even if that was the purpose of HARP,

0:35:08.640 --> 0:35:10.839
<v Speaker 1>it would it It would be like, you know, just

0:35:11.480 --> 0:35:13.520
<v Speaker 1>turning on a switch and having no idea what the

0:35:13.520 --> 0:35:14.960
<v Speaker 1>effect was going to be. It's not like you can

0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:17.440
<v Speaker 1>have any sort of controlled experience, even if that was

0:35:17.520 --> 0:35:20.720
<v Speaker 1>what you had intended. Well, intertermentional reptilians are chaotic evil,

0:35:20.800 --> 0:35:23.719
<v Speaker 1>so they don't really care. How would you know you're

0:35:23.719 --> 0:35:27.680
<v Speaker 1>not chaotic evil? According to the test we all took. Uh,

0:35:27.719 --> 0:35:31.919
<v Speaker 1>I'm lawful, good as it turns out, and a liar. Yeah,

0:35:31.960 --> 0:35:34.680
<v Speaker 1>you haven't read my you haven't read my. My alignment

0:35:34.719 --> 0:35:38.440
<v Speaker 1>read out it's hilarious. So another conspiracy theory was that

0:35:38.560 --> 0:35:42.480
<v Speaker 1>HARP could possibly create earthquakes. We mentioned that at the

0:35:42.520 --> 0:35:45.000
<v Speaker 1>top of the show, right, that it could somehow create earthquakes.

0:35:45.000 --> 0:35:47.800
<v Speaker 1>There are two ways I have heard about this happening,

0:35:48.080 --> 0:35:51.520
<v Speaker 1>and both of them are not really feasible. Now. One

0:35:51.600 --> 0:35:55.160
<v Speaker 1>is kind of interesting in that some scientists say that

0:35:55.640 --> 0:35:59.080
<v Speaker 1>before an earthquake happens, you you might be able to

0:35:59.440 --> 0:36:04.160
<v Speaker 1>detect e l F or vlf frequencies because the pressures

0:36:04.320 --> 0:36:07.640
<v Speaker 1>in the ground are compressing minerals that will give off

0:36:07.719 --> 0:36:11.000
<v Speaker 1>these frequencies just naturally through that compression. So if you

0:36:11.080 --> 0:36:15.120
<v Speaker 1>had a detector somewhere nearby, you could in theory detect

0:36:15.160 --> 0:36:18.520
<v Speaker 1>those variations and thus predict when an earthquake is going

0:36:18.600 --> 0:36:22.040
<v Speaker 1>to happen. So thereby by a like piece of electric

0:36:22.120 --> 0:36:25.600
<v Speaker 1>kind of effect, maybe if you put those frequencies into

0:36:25.600 --> 0:36:28.680
<v Speaker 1>those minerals, you could trigger an earthquake. That's that's the

0:36:28.960 --> 0:36:32.960
<v Speaker 1>That's one of the hypotheses, which I I hesitate to

0:36:32.960 --> 0:36:36.360
<v Speaker 1>even call it that. Uh, it is not necessarily realistic.

0:36:36.680 --> 0:36:39.680
<v Speaker 1>But that's not the chief one about how people thought

0:36:39.719 --> 0:36:42.920
<v Speaker 1>HARP was somehow creating earthquakes. Here's here's what they were

0:36:42.920 --> 0:36:45.960
<v Speaker 1>really thinking, and this one is what I don't know

0:36:46.120 --> 0:36:50.440
<v Speaker 1>it just to me it seems completely unfeasible. Um, So

0:36:50.560 --> 0:36:53.719
<v Speaker 1>imagine that you are lifting part of the atmosphere up,

0:36:54.000 --> 0:36:57.120
<v Speaker 1>like you're actually raising up the ionosphere, and then you

0:36:57.200 --> 0:37:00.320
<v Speaker 1>let it slam down, and somehow the press sure of

0:37:00.400 --> 0:37:03.480
<v Speaker 1>its slamming back down is what induces an earthquake to happen.

0:37:03.840 --> 0:37:07.120
<v Speaker 1>It This theory does not seem to to to explain

0:37:07.160 --> 0:37:08.960
<v Speaker 1>what would happen to the rest of us on the

0:37:08.960 --> 0:37:12.080
<v Speaker 1>surface of the ground if if this was actually powerful

0:37:12.200 --> 0:37:15.080
<v Speaker 1>enough for it to induce an earthquake. Nor does it

0:37:15.239 --> 0:37:18.840
<v Speaker 1>explain the fact that any energy it would exert coming

0:37:18.920 --> 0:37:21.720
<v Speaker 1>down would be equivalent to the amount of energy used

0:37:21.800 --> 0:37:25.520
<v Speaker 1>to raise it up. Right, that's basic physics. If I

0:37:25.640 --> 0:37:30.560
<v Speaker 1>raise a a one one kilogram mass to a certain

0:37:30.600 --> 0:37:33.279
<v Speaker 1>distance off the ground and drop it, you know, it's

0:37:33.280 --> 0:37:35.719
<v Speaker 1>not like it's going to exert more energy than it

0:37:35.960 --> 0:37:38.160
<v Speaker 1>costs to raise it up that high. It's going to

0:37:38.239 --> 0:37:41.120
<v Speaker 1>be exactly the same. That's physics. So what you're talking

0:37:41.160 --> 0:37:44.200
<v Speaker 1>about is this facility doing this would have to be

0:37:44.280 --> 0:37:48.040
<v Speaker 1>able to create enough energy to essentially shake the ground

0:37:48.360 --> 0:37:51.239
<v Speaker 1>exactly right. You wouldn't need to shoot it up at

0:37:51.239 --> 0:37:54.480
<v Speaker 1>the atmosphere. You have essentially some sort of earthquake button

0:37:54.560 --> 0:37:58.000
<v Speaker 1>right there at your disposal. And the energy that HARP

0:37:58.160 --> 0:38:02.200
<v Speaker 1>is putting forth is something like three point six megawatts, which,

0:38:02.280 --> 0:38:05.960
<v Speaker 1>don't get me wrong, but it's not enough to create

0:38:06.000 --> 0:38:10.000
<v Speaker 1>an earthquake. So that was another one. Also, I think

0:38:10.040 --> 0:38:11.840
<v Speaker 1>to keep in mind when we're talking about all of

0:38:11.880 --> 0:38:16.160
<v Speaker 1>these conspiracy theories and HARP, is that so radiation from

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<v Speaker 1>the Sun is hitting the ionosphere all the time, continually,

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<v Speaker 1>and a lot more than HARP is capable of producing

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<v Speaker 1>UM like orders of hundreds of thousands. Yeah, yeah, we're talking.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking like you know, I mean, the Sun's energy

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<v Speaker 1>is what makes the ionosphere happen in the first place, right,

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<v Speaker 1>And HARP is only able to excite a relatively teeny

0:38:37.800 --> 0:38:43.239
<v Speaker 1>tiny region of that ionosphere, like a sliver of it.

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<v Speaker 1>So you know, the fact that the Sun is doing

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<v Speaker 1>this naturally all the time is another kind of mark

0:38:49.880 --> 0:38:54.040
<v Speaker 1>against HARP doing anything that would affect you know, things

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<v Speaker 1>on a global scale, right, or even on a weaponized

0:38:57.480 --> 0:38:59.960
<v Speaker 1>kind of scale. UM. And further, for further, I mean,

0:39:00.000 --> 0:39:01.360
<v Speaker 1>I mean some of these some of these theories are

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<v Speaker 1>talking about moving sections of the ionosphere, and even if

0:39:05.120 --> 0:39:08.279
<v Speaker 1>harp could move a section of the ionosphere that was

0:39:08.320 --> 0:39:11.359
<v Speaker 1>not directly above itself, and I don't think it wants

0:39:11.360 --> 0:39:14.920
<v Speaker 1>to cause itself to experience an earthquake. Um, the the

0:39:14.960 --> 0:39:18.320
<v Speaker 1>ionosphere undulates all the time. It expands and contracts based

0:39:18.360 --> 0:39:20.759
<v Speaker 1>on the degree of the Earth's tilt and whether it's

0:39:20.880 --> 0:39:25.440
<v Speaker 1>nighttime or daytime. I mean this happens constantly, right, So

0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:28.400
<v Speaker 1>it's not like, yeah, yeah, I think I think a

0:39:28.440 --> 0:39:32.200
<v Speaker 1>lot of the theories of the fringe theories are based

0:39:32.360 --> 0:39:35.600
<v Speaker 1>on just misunderstandings of science. I mean, it's just you

0:39:35.640 --> 0:39:38.480
<v Speaker 1>don't have a full understanding of what's going on, and

0:39:38.520 --> 0:39:41.640
<v Speaker 1>so you're you're oversimplifying in your mind how things work.

0:39:42.040 --> 0:39:45.320
<v Speaker 1>And thus when you do that, then suddenly everything becomes possible.

0:39:45.400 --> 0:39:49.600
<v Speaker 1>Right if if you oversimplify everything and don't don't acknowledge

0:39:49.600 --> 0:39:53.240
<v Speaker 1>how complex and difficult some of these problems really would

0:39:53.239 --> 0:39:56.880
<v Speaker 1>be to do for real z s then obviously this

0:39:56.880 --> 0:39:59.759
<v Speaker 1>this secret facility in Alaska, which by the way, wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>really secret, although it was very much restricted because they

0:40:02.960 --> 0:40:07.160
<v Speaker 1>were doing lots of of scientific study that didn't you know,

0:40:07.200 --> 0:40:11.960
<v Speaker 1>they didn't need people. Uh well, I read at least

0:40:12.040 --> 0:40:16.040
<v Speaker 1>one account of some amateur ham radio enthusiasts who just

0:40:16.520 --> 0:40:19.439
<v Speaker 1>went on up to the facility and walked around, and

0:40:19.680 --> 0:40:23.239
<v Speaker 1>the policy was supposed to be it's a closed door

0:40:23.440 --> 0:40:26.800
<v Speaker 1>facility that very rarely was open to the public. It

0:40:26.840 --> 0:40:30.040
<v Speaker 1>was only opened a couple of times years. And then

0:40:30.040 --> 0:40:32.120
<v Speaker 1>of course they would let you know, college students could

0:40:32.160 --> 0:40:33.719
<v Speaker 1>go up there and work on it because they were

0:40:33.760 --> 0:40:39.000
<v Speaker 1>parts of research programs. You know, you don't typically Maybe

0:40:39.040 --> 0:40:42.120
<v Speaker 1>I'm basing this off bias, but the college students, I remember,

0:40:43.080 --> 0:40:45.759
<v Speaker 1>are not necessarily the ones you and you invite into

0:40:45.800 --> 0:40:51.000
<v Speaker 1>your super secret headquarters for world domination and weather control.

0:40:51.160 --> 0:40:53.879
<v Speaker 1>It's i they're all part of the theory and all

0:40:53.880 --> 0:40:58.320
<v Speaker 1>the other research about the ionosphere is is uh bad material.

0:40:58.360 --> 0:41:00.680
<v Speaker 1>They're only allowed in the pain pong room. They're not

0:41:00.719 --> 0:41:05.560
<v Speaker 1>allowed to see the real facility. It just gives the

0:41:05.840 --> 0:41:09.440
<v Speaker 1>facility credit credibility as a research. College students tend to

0:41:09.440 --> 0:41:14.560
<v Speaker 1>be reptilian collaborators. Okay, enough with the reptiles. Geez alright,

0:41:14.600 --> 0:41:18.799
<v Speaker 1>So anyway, you read one comment off one article and

0:41:18.880 --> 0:41:23.160
<v Speaker 1>suddenly at all, No, it's true. I'm sorry, folks. This

0:41:23.239 --> 0:41:25.360
<v Speaker 1>came from the fact that I was reading an article

0:41:25.520 --> 0:41:28.520
<v Speaker 1>from an Alaska publication about HARP, and one of the

0:41:28.560 --> 0:41:32.760
<v Speaker 1>comments was like, yeah, reptilians are behind this. Yeah. Yeah.

0:41:32.880 --> 0:41:34.480
<v Speaker 1>And of course, like I said, when I did the

0:41:34.480 --> 0:41:37.280
<v Speaker 1>episode about weather control, we got a lot of comments

0:41:37.320 --> 0:41:40.759
<v Speaker 1>about the HARP facility. UM. And again most of it's

0:41:40.800 --> 0:41:44.920
<v Speaker 1>just misunderstandings. You know, things that you know, you're you're

0:41:44.960 --> 0:41:47.200
<v Speaker 1>reading a report of a report of a report of

0:41:47.239 --> 0:41:51.239
<v Speaker 1>a conspiracy theory um and uh, you know they're they've

0:41:51.280 --> 0:41:56.040
<v Speaker 1>been pervasive and they've really they certainly have uh a

0:41:56.200 --> 0:41:59.000
<v Speaker 1>level of um like they're enticing, right, you know, the

0:41:59.080 --> 0:42:03.240
<v Speaker 1>idea of uh, some sort of secret organization or secret

0:42:03.280 --> 0:42:08.880
<v Speaker 1>part of our government being in control of these massive powers.

0:42:09.719 --> 0:42:13.799
<v Speaker 1>There's a weird attraction to that idea. Well, even if

0:42:13.840 --> 0:42:16.400
<v Speaker 1>you did think HARP was something that was a secret

0:42:16.400 --> 0:42:21.520
<v Speaker 1>government plot to control the weather, earthquakes, tsunamis whatever you need,

0:42:21.600 --> 0:42:24.160
<v Speaker 1>worry no longer, Yeah, because it's it's it's pretty much

0:42:24.200 --> 0:42:31.879
<v Speaker 1>done government facility. So what's the status on the facility?

0:42:32.080 --> 0:42:34.439
<v Speaker 1>I mean, any day now it could close for good.

0:42:34.640 --> 0:42:37.320
<v Speaker 1>It's uh, it's really it's running through those last few

0:42:37.520 --> 0:42:40.680
<v Speaker 1>experiments and uh, as of the recording of this podcast,

0:42:40.719 --> 0:42:45.120
<v Speaker 1>there have been no plans to hand over the facility,

0:42:45.280 --> 0:42:47.719
<v Speaker 1>Like there's there's not been an organization that step forward

0:42:47.719 --> 0:42:49.960
<v Speaker 1>and say said we will fund this. I mean it

0:42:50.040 --> 0:42:53.960
<v Speaker 1>costs millions of dollars to run this this facility because

0:42:54.000 --> 0:42:56.960
<v Speaker 1>it takes a lot of power to actually do these

0:42:57.080 --> 0:43:00.680
<v Speaker 1>um uh, these experiments. It's not and it's not a

0:43:00.760 --> 0:43:05.960
<v Speaker 1>cheap endeavor. So if some research facilities or private company

0:43:06.040 --> 0:43:09.520
<v Speaker 1>comes in to take over, then we could see it

0:43:09.680 --> 0:43:12.640
<v Speaker 1>continue in action. Otherwise it may just become an abandoned,

0:43:13.040 --> 0:43:16.920
<v Speaker 1>forgotten site. And uh, I mean it was abandoned for

0:43:16.960 --> 0:43:21.440
<v Speaker 1>a little while in it might become permanently so inten,

0:43:21.440 --> 0:43:23.680
<v Speaker 1>We'll have to wait and see. So anyway, that kind

0:43:23.680 --> 0:43:25.920
<v Speaker 1>of wraps up this discussion about HARP. We just wanted

0:43:25.920 --> 0:43:28.680
<v Speaker 1>to kind of take a closer look at it and

0:43:29.040 --> 0:43:32.400
<v Speaker 1>demystify it for everybody. Yeah, and and send out our

0:43:32.440 --> 0:43:36.640
<v Speaker 1>good mojo into the universe, possibly by earthquakeer, reptilian whatever

0:43:36.680 --> 0:43:38.920
<v Speaker 1>you know, to to hopefully someone will pick this thing

0:43:38.960 --> 0:43:41.239
<v Speaker 1>back up. Well. Yeah, the good feelings I do have

0:43:41.400 --> 0:43:43.359
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0:43:43.800 --> 0:43:46.200
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0:43:46.280 --> 0:43:49.520
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0:43:49.760 --> 0:43:53.439
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0:43:53.440 --> 0:43:56.600
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0:43:56.640 --> 0:43:59.760
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