1 00:00:00,040 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 1: We're joined by our next guest, Major Ben Zaman here, 2 00:00:03,240 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: his head of FFX research at A and Z to 3 00:00:06,000 --> 00:00:09,480 Speaker 1: talk about the latest on the markets. And I just 4 00:00:09,480 --> 00:00:13,119 Speaker 1: want to start by zooming up really and looking at 5 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:15,920 Speaker 1: the big picture. We had a strong non farm payrolls 6 00:00:15,960 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 1: from the US. We've got CPI coming up this week, 7 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:22,640 Speaker 1: and it was cost consumer prices last month that really 8 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:27,200 Speaker 1: set markets freaking out. So what are you watching in 9 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,000 Speaker 1: terms of CPI and do you think it's going to 10 00:00:29,080 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 1: change the narrative from the Fed? UM, thanks for having me. 11 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:36,520 Speaker 1: I think, Um, what we saw in August was really 12 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:39,480 Speaker 1: the core goods side of things, which shot up. UM 13 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,240 Speaker 1: this month again, we will be closely watching core good 14 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: prices in the CPI data includes you know, personal care UM, 15 00:00:46,800 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 1: and I guess the key worry is about inflation expectations 16 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,479 Speaker 1: coming through. They should effect in the effect to be 17 00:00:53,520 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: really falling. As import prices are coming down. Commority prices 18 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: selectively are also lower than they were before. UM. Supply 19 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: chain improving although gradually UM, So I think we are 20 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:09,360 Speaker 1: watching that side of things. And then of course, UM, 21 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: what's important with the earning season around the corner is 22 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: that the many companies which earned US companies which earned 23 00:01:18,200 --> 00:01:22,000 Speaker 1: their revenues overseas. UM, what's the dollar impact to their 24 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: pn L? UM? How much translation risk is it going 25 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:27,600 Speaker 1: to be? UM? It's definitely looks to be a little bit, 26 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: may be higher than previous years. And because of that, 27 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: UM will that that price be passed through to the consumer. 28 00:01:35,080 --> 00:01:37,399 Speaker 1: So that's that's something we were looking out for. We 29 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,960 Speaker 1: know the dollar is very strong, UH, and there's always 30 00:01:40,959 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: the possibility for some dislocations in markets, some sort of 31 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: financial instability. UH. One of the things that we've been 32 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 1: looking at is is how a lot of a lot 33 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: of countries have had to dip into FX reserves to 34 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: support their own local currency. Is that something that is 35 00:01:58,880 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 1: anywhere near close to causing a major problem or just 36 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: not yet? Look, I think this period of dollars strength 37 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: is a little bit different from earlier periods and earlier 38 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: periods where we saw, you know, a lot of EM vulnerability. 39 00:02:14,320 --> 00:02:16,440 Speaker 1: This time, if if I may say, it's a little 40 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 1: bit different, UM, I think, UM, the difference is really 41 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:24,200 Speaker 1: how UM you know, developed market center banks have chosen 42 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,440 Speaker 1: to respond to these high inflation pressures versus e M 43 00:02:27,520 --> 00:02:30,280 Speaker 1: central banks. UM. You know, FED was a bit late 44 00:02:30,320 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: to the game in raising rates, and by the time 45 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:36,040 Speaker 1: they started, many of these emerging market center banks had 46 00:02:36,040 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: already started the hiking cycles. And as a result of that, 47 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:41,799 Speaker 1: when we look at you know, you to day performance 48 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:47,079 Speaker 1: of you know, you know the ausy KEYWI Euro versus UM, 49 00:02:47,120 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: you know, the Brazilian Real, Mexico and the rest, you 50 00:02:50,200 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: see that you know, in fact, DM currencies are somewhat 51 00:02:53,720 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 1: bit worst off than some of these e M currencies 52 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: for that reason because they took a head start. Yeah, 53 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,239 Speaker 1: one of the central banks, of course, with the most 54 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 1: divergence against the FED is the p BOC. UM. We 55 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:08,520 Speaker 1: do have the People's Congress coming up in China, however, 56 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: are you anticipating any major policy changes there, particularly around 57 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: COVID or stimulus that could potentially change the picture before 58 00:03:16,000 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: the ad to say much at this stage, and we 59 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:23,560 Speaker 1: know that UM, the PBOC has been actively uh taken 60 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:26,880 Speaker 1: a variety of measures to support the Remember UM, it's 61 00:03:26,919 --> 00:03:31,000 Speaker 1: really similar to the b o J as well with 62 00:03:31,000 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: with the intervention that we saw earlier. It's not really 63 00:03:34,280 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: preserving the levels, but it's just managing the pace of weakness. 64 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: And especially because PBOC has that divergent policy. We we 65 00:03:43,920 --> 00:03:45,920 Speaker 1: definitely do see a little bit of a weak again 66 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:50,800 Speaker 1: ahead UM, but just not extreme moves, managed moves. So 67 00:03:50,920 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 1: I see in the notes that you're you're prepared to 68 00:03:53,880 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 1: talk about the earning season that's coming. We're starting to 69 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:01,320 Speaker 1: see more and more commentary from strategy that the earning 70 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:05,200 Speaker 1: season uh, could could be could be difficult, even if 71 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: inflation comes down a lot. And maybe because inflation comes 72 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: down a lot. I think the thinking there is that 73 00:04:12,040 --> 00:04:14,720 Speaker 1: you know, companies here today we're able to offset the 74 00:04:14,800 --> 00:04:18,279 Speaker 1: higher costs with higher prices, but if inflation is coming down, 75 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,920 Speaker 1: they don't have that option anymore. By definition, UH, they 76 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: won't have it. UH. And it means it means you know, 77 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:30,240 Speaker 1: lower margins. Yes, UM, it depends on which sectors we 78 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:34,479 Speaker 1: look at again, UM. Really the strong US dollar cycle 79 00:04:34,760 --> 00:04:38,920 Speaker 1: will continue to remain a headwind for multinationals UM. On 80 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,640 Speaker 1: the EPs side, UM hedges are now also rolling over. 81 00:04:42,760 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: And if you're looking too, if a comportation we're looking 82 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 1: to hedge, it's more expensive to hedge, whether it's from 83 00:04:47,839 --> 00:04:51,920 Speaker 1: a commodity perspective or currency standpoint. So I think, UM, 84 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: some of this may be already priced in. UM we 85 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:57,440 Speaker 1: will have to wait to see what whether they you know, 86 00:04:57,640 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: the guidance around and see impact will be announced you 87 00:05:02,160 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: know at this stage or at the next quarter. You know, 88 00:05:05,120 --> 00:05:08,400 Speaker 1: neither the fully on your results. Instead, I went to 89 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: see the full impact. How does it work? I mean, 90 00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: if companies complain about the impact of a higher dollar, 91 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 1: do the policymakers listen? Um? Look, I think there's there's 92 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:23,440 Speaker 1: nothing stopping the FED at this stage. We know, you know, 93 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:26,920 Speaker 1: FED is, FED is pretty much firm on what they're 94 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:31,599 Speaker 1: going to do. Um. You know, the FED speak has 95 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 1: been the clear, loud and clear. Um. You know, markets 96 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,720 Speaker 1: are conditioned on a FED poot which has been based 97 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 1: on previous low inflation. That's not the case right now. Yeah. Yeah, 98 00:05:40,640 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: I don't talk to me. I'm busy, you know, it's 99 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. Yeah, okay, thanks very much. Maj 100 00:05:45,200 --> 00:05:48,440 Speaker 1: Being Zaman, Head of FX Research at A n Z.