WEBVTT - What If... Any of this mattered? And Creature Commandos! 0:00:00.280 --> 0:00:00.720 Worrying. 0:00:01.120 --> 0:00:05.480 Today's episode contains spoilers for Marvel's third season of its 0:00:05.519 --> 0:00:10.200 animated what If television program on Disney Plus End and 0:00:10.720 --> 0:00:17.240 the fourth episode of the getting increasingly Better Creature Commandos 0:00:18.239 --> 0:00:37.800 HBO and Max You're one. Hello, my name is Jase 0:00:37.880 --> 0:00:42.880 Kencepcion and I'm Rosday Night, and welcome back. Xtra Vision, 0:00:42.960 --> 0:00:45.440 the podcast where we divey bit de your favorite Joe's movies, 0:00:45.440 --> 0:00:47.920 collably some pop culture coming to you from my Heart 0:00:47.960 --> 0:00:50.479 podcast where We'll be you three episodes a week, every 0:00:50.560 --> 0:00:52.960 Tuesday Thursday, with an extra episode every Wednesday. 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:57.040 In today's episode, we are giving you a reactions to 0:00:57.120 --> 0:00:58.960 what If Season three of the final. 0:00:58.720 --> 0:01:02.560 Season of what If. What If Marvel. 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:04.520 Made a good cartoon again, I don't know, let's talk 0:01:04.560 --> 0:01:08.880 about it, and we will also be looking at how 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:12.120 it compares to some of the great animation that we've 0:01:12.120 --> 0:01:16.120 gotten this year, including Creek Commandos, which is getting very good. 0:01:16.840 --> 0:01:22.920 It's getting really good. Okay, first year luck Okay, what If? 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:26.880 Season three? Let's first just run through the what ifs. 0:01:28.520 --> 0:01:34.280 Episode one is a universe in which Bruce Banner and 0:01:34.360 --> 0:01:38.800 Sam have a relationship that's very similar to Tony and Banner. 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:46.280 In the MCU main universe, Banner accidentally creates these like 0:01:46.680 --> 0:01:51.920 super Gamma monsters that are like Kaiju's essentially. He then 0:01:51.960 --> 0:01:55.120 goes into hiding. The Avengers have to create giant mech 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:57.880 suits to deal with the monsters. Many of them die 0:01:58.000 --> 0:01:59.680 in the fight, but they do win, but then the 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:03.240 monster is re emerged and Banner has to turn himself 0:02:03.280 --> 0:02:06.960 into a Kaiju to deal with them, and then. 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:08.519 Make like a Kaiju park. 0:02:09.240 --> 0:02:12.160 He makes like a monster like a hulk Monster Island 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:15.239 where he hangs out with all his little cute little Kaiju. 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:20.320 Banner's Jurassic Park. Yeah, interesting as well. It's Sam Monica, Rambo, 0:02:20.440 --> 0:02:23.920 shang Chi, Moonnight, Bucky, Red Guardian, Shuri. 0:02:24.840 --> 0:02:26.960 So I'm like, this feels like it. 0:02:27.000 --> 0:02:30.120 Is supposed to be the Phase four Avengers team that 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:32.239 we were kind of meant to get, you know. 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:33.320 They seem like that. 0:02:33.440 --> 0:02:35.560 It feels like they're throwing back to that and bringing 0:02:35.639 --> 0:02:37.000 back a lot of old characters. 0:02:37.480 --> 0:02:41.440 Episode two it is Hollywood's Golden eras. I think it's 0:02:41.480 --> 0:02:44.280 like forties fifties. I don't think they ever say the year, 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:46.359 but it feels like the four. It feels like the 0:02:46.480 --> 0:02:51.720 usby Berkeley era, like classic Hollywood. Agatha is a movie star. 0:02:52.200 --> 0:02:58.400 Kingo also a movie star. She's there Agatha in order 0:02:58.520 --> 0:03:03.800 to like a fight the Eternals does this like massive 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:08.679 spell using the Hollywood set and all the extras and dancers. 0:03:08.919 --> 0:03:12.000 She wants to like steal the celestial's power. 0:03:12.280 --> 0:03:16.480 To create this entire like huge magic ritual using the 0:03:16.480 --> 0:03:23.240 infrastructure of Hollywood, and at the end, King Go manages 0:03:23.320 --> 0:03:26.360 to convince her that actually movies are better than magic 0:03:26.560 --> 0:03:32.120 and we can do good. Okay. While yeah, episode three, 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:37.800 it's a Red Guardian Winter Soldier to Hander. They are 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:43.720 sent by the Red Room to America in order to 0:03:45.040 --> 0:03:48.040 you know, assassinate the Starks. But it goes sideways and 0:03:48.080 --> 0:03:53.080 then you know, Bucky and the Red Guardian like grow 0:03:53.680 --> 0:03:56.920 in terms of their friendship together. But then at the 0:03:57.000 --> 0:03:59.320 end of it, Bucky's recaptured in his mind is wiped 0:03:59.360 --> 0:04:02.080 and he doesn't like remember any of it, and Red 0:04:02.120 --> 0:04:06.080 Guardian just becomes like a Jimmy teacher in the US. 0:04:06.280 --> 0:04:09.200 I will say, I think of all the episodes from 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:12.080 this season, this is the one that is most akin 0:04:12.200 --> 0:04:13.240 to what the comics do. 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:16.279 I was going through a bunch of old what if Comics. 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:20.080 Yesterday, and they had a like what if Rick Jones 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:23.400 died before he could help in the cree Scroll War 0:04:23.560 --> 0:04:25.680 or something? And I was like, oh, okay, what if 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:27.240 Red Guardian stopped the Winter Soldier? 0:04:27.360 --> 0:04:29.520 Is actually like an interesting. 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:32.200 Let's discuss because I think that there is an important 0:04:32.200 --> 0:04:37.360 conversation about this show to be hack yes Episode four, Uh, 0:04:37.400 --> 0:04:41.160 what if Howard the Duck got hitched at a party 0:04:41.560 --> 0:04:46.120 thrown by Thor Darcy His friend Darcy, Our friend Darcy 0:04:46.640 --> 0:04:48.600 meets Howard the Duck, They get. 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:51.640 Married, They have a egg baby. 0:04:52.200 --> 0:04:57.080 An unhatched egg that becomes like super valuable and gets 0:04:57.120 --> 0:04:58.839 stolen and all this stuff happened. 0:04:58.920 --> 0:05:00.440 Grandmasters to eat the egg. 0:05:00.760 --> 0:05:04.240 The grand a lot of people for a lot of 0:05:04.400 --> 0:05:12.039 different reasons. Dark elves are there anyway, the baby egg 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:17.040 has powers itself and then everything turns out. 0:05:16.920 --> 0:05:20.560 Great, and the baby egg is played by Natasha Leone. 0:05:21.279 --> 0:05:23.880 But he is who. 0:05:23.240 --> 0:05:31.159 Who is spoiler alert is the very tangential like extremely 0:05:31.839 --> 0:05:37.560 extremely deep deep deep deep deep deep cut Marvel mutant 0:05:37.760 --> 0:05:42.960 character Birdie. Episode five, What if Emersions destroyed the earth? 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:47.240 Quenton Beck leads the Iron Legion and this is an 0:05:47.279 --> 0:05:52.200 apocalyptic future in which basically Ai and Tech takes over 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:57.120 the Earth. In this future and versions of this future 0:05:57.240 --> 0:06:03.599 Rearave Williams always stands alone like trying to resist. She 0:06:03.800 --> 0:06:07.839 does resist, and then eventually she does defeat uh Quentin 0:06:07.920 --> 0:06:12.120 Beck aka Mysterio, who was like had become like the 0:06:12.160 --> 0:06:16.000 Singularity and it's like it had nanoparticles that he'd used 0:06:16.040 --> 0:06:17.200 to take over the universe and. 0:06:17.160 --> 0:06:19.440 He has the Iron Legion and all that kind of stuff. 0:06:19.480 --> 0:06:22.719 Yeah, And in this asrary Williams is like on the 0:06:23.040 --> 0:06:29.080 cusp of defeat. Huatu is like kind of puts his 0:06:29.120 --> 0:06:31.440 finger on the scale very slightly, but puts his finger 0:06:31.480 --> 0:06:34.320 on the scale, and the other Watchers are like, oh shit, 0:06:34.400 --> 0:06:38.320 we're gonna have to put in an HR complaint against Watch. 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:43.279 Is the most interfering of all the Watches, Like he 0:06:43.320 --> 0:06:44.400 does this ship all the time. 0:06:44.440 --> 0:06:45.280 Guys, you should. 0:06:48.200 --> 0:06:51.920 His whole wad is like, well, you know, I guess 0:06:51.920 --> 0:06:54.679 I'm gonna have to get involved this time. Episode six 0:06:54.800 --> 0:06:58.200 is a Western Shang Chi and Kate Bishop in an 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:01.840 Old West universe. They beat up John Walker to get 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:06.240 information about the Hood, and the Hood is revealed to 0:07:06.320 --> 0:07:09.120 be Uh sham Chi's sister Jusai Ling. 0:07:09.360 --> 0:07:09.880 Yeah, who they. 0:07:09.880 --> 0:07:12.520 Thought she was kidnapped, but actually she is the Hood. 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:17.880 Very yeah, very classic noir twist of them that Kate 0:07:17.960 --> 0:07:19.720 Bishop and Chang Chi in the West. I think we're 0:07:19.720 --> 0:07:22.720 going to talk more about these concepts as we go forward. 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:27.600 Episode seven, What if the Watcher disappeared? Zandar home of 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:31.640 the Novacore is being attacked by a giant monster squid. 0:07:33.160 --> 0:07:35.640 We see that various members of the Guardians are in 0:07:35.680 --> 0:07:40.840 the Novacore Nebulaus nover Prime. Captain Carter arrives with her 0:07:40.880 --> 0:07:45.760 own team around her. Bertie the duck now hatched and 0:07:45.840 --> 0:07:46.920 grown to adulthood. 0:07:48.040 --> 0:07:52.360 Kahori, who was introduced in season two, was. 0:07:52.320 --> 0:07:57.760 Introduced in season two, who you know, has like the 0:07:57.960 --> 0:08:04.400 cosmic power, natural hours of the universe and storm Thor 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:11.040 and they save the day, but then they realize that 0:08:11.840 --> 0:08:14.000 the Watcher is gone and they have to figure out 0:08:14.040 --> 0:08:17.119 what's going on. Captain Carter goes off on her own 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:21.440 to get Ultron to help them with this mission. Bertie 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:24.160 realizes that happened, and then they all go into the 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:28.400 fifth dimension to try and fight this thing. That leads 0:08:28.480 --> 0:08:35.240 us to episode eight, in which that group Captain Carter's team, 0:08:35.920 --> 0:08:42.600 Bertie the Duck Stormthoor Ghori all become watchers themselves, take 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:45.600 the powers of the watchers to fight three other watchers 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:51.120 who are trying to basically execute Uatu for HR violations 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:53.120 against Watcher Incorporated. 0:08:53.240 --> 0:08:54.840 And I'm not gonna lie. They are not wrong. 0:08:54.960 --> 0:08:57.199 He is the HR violate thought like, I'm not saying 0:08:57.200 --> 0:08:58.520 it is upstate execute. 0:08:58.679 --> 0:08:59.840 Just keep getting involved. 0:09:00.040 --> 0:09:02.880 That man should be called the interferer instead of the watcher. 0:09:03.080 --> 0:09:06.600 Like just don't do it, don't listen, just don't become 0:09:06.600 --> 0:09:10.160 a watcher if you don't. But Okay, be that as 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:12.160 it may, but be that as it may. 0:09:12.320 --> 0:09:15.680 We have to critics, but be that as it may. 0:09:16.400 --> 0:09:18.640 Let's go to a regular come back and discuss the season, 0:09:33.920 --> 0:09:34.679 and we're back. 0:09:34.960 --> 0:09:35.400 We're back. 0:09:36.320 --> 0:09:41.080 First, what's your favorite of these episodes? You pick yours 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:43.040 and I'll pick mine, and then let's talk about this 0:09:43.040 --> 0:09:44.480 this season as a whole. 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:50.000 I like that if I'm just going by like vibes, 0:09:50.360 --> 0:09:54.479 I do think that the Western episode is like cool. 0:09:54.120 --> 0:09:55.200 Like did it need to be made? 0:09:55.440 --> 0:09:55.640 No? 0:09:56.120 --> 0:09:58.920 But like shan Chi Kate Bishop, that was kind of fun. 0:09:59.640 --> 0:09:59.960 I can't. 0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:02.640 I know, I'm not trying to be a downer, but 0:10:02.720 --> 0:10:04.719 I do kind of find it hard to like pick 0:10:04.760 --> 0:10:08.000 a favorite episode because I don't necessarily. 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:09.800 Know that the show. 0:10:11.040 --> 0:10:16.079 Is delivering for me on the potential of what a 0:10:16.160 --> 0:10:18.880 what If can be. I think there are fun moments, 0:10:19.480 --> 0:10:22.560 but it definitely feels more like kind of like, hey, 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:26.960 look all these characters are back. Like it doesn't necessarily 0:10:27.000 --> 0:10:29.200 have like the I do think the first season of 0:10:29.200 --> 0:10:31.520 what If had a lot of narrative theft, and that 0:10:31.559 --> 0:10:35.120 weekly released schedule meant that we were having conversations about it. 0:10:35.920 --> 0:10:39.079 I did find the what If hulk for the Mechavengers 0:10:39.160 --> 0:10:41.920 funny because this was obviously an idea they had for 0:10:41.960 --> 0:10:43.520 a long time, because a couple of years ago they 0:10:43.559 --> 0:10:45.880 did like a toy line called Mech Strike, and it 0:10:45.920 --> 0:10:49.640 was like all these different characters as mechs. So yeah, 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:52.280 I think probably I'll go for what if Red Guardian 0:10:52.320 --> 0:10:54.400 stopped the Winter Soldier, just because I think that's the 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:56.160 one that's most like a what if comic. 0:10:56.440 --> 0:11:00.240 Yeah, that is also mine. And here is I agree 0:11:00.280 --> 0:11:04.800 with your critiques of this season very similar to my critiques. 0:11:05.000 --> 0:11:06.760 I think the way I feel about season two and 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:10.800 season three, and I you know, this is fine. I 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:13.800 think the animation is good, I think that the everything 0:11:13.920 --> 0:11:17.679 is uh, you know, it's interesting to talk about and 0:11:17.720 --> 0:11:20.400 think about these like alternate dimensions. That said, I think, 0:11:20.440 --> 0:11:23.160 to me, here's the problem for me. What I think 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:27.040 what if should be and I think you're right is 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:31.400 to me, the best version of what if execution is 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:34.720 you take a moment from the MCU and you treat 0:11:34.760 --> 0:11:38.760 it as a sliding doors moment, stop the winter soldier 0:11:38.760 --> 0:11:41.280 from killing the Starks. You know, you could pick a 0:11:41.360 --> 0:11:44.320 million of these. What if Captain America died on a 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:49.600 mission in World War Two? What if Howard Stark was 0:11:49.640 --> 0:11:52.319 a Nazi spy? What you could pick them? 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:53.839 There's a million of these. 0:11:54.160 --> 0:11:58.800 And I think doing that gives an anchor point to 0:11:58.920 --> 0:12:02.640 a story like and makes it not just like a hey, 0:12:02.720 --> 0:12:07.280 let's come up with a crazy scenario, yeah, fun like 0:12:07.520 --> 0:12:10.000 and make it mean something, make it uh huh. 0:12:10.040 --> 0:12:10.920 If you do it. 0:12:11.160 --> 0:12:15.360 Where something from the MCU is a sliding doors moment, 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:19.880 then you add some heft to the MCU storyline because 0:12:19.880 --> 0:12:22.439 you're saying, like, look, how things could have gone? What if? 0:12:22.960 --> 0:12:23.400 What if? 0:12:24.679 --> 0:12:25.040 What if? 0:12:25.080 --> 0:12:26.320 Thanos won like that's a. 0:12:26.320 --> 0:12:29.880 Really exactly the fact that they even like, I think 0:12:29.920 --> 0:12:34.040 something that proves the misunderstanding of this version of what if? 0:12:34.120 --> 0:12:37.280 In my opinion is like one of the things that 0:12:37.280 --> 0:12:40.280 people were most excited about is like Storm as Thor, 0:12:40.400 --> 0:12:42.840 which comes actually from a what if story. What if 0:12:42.840 --> 0:12:45.400 Storm was the goddess of thunder? You know, that could 0:12:45.400 --> 0:12:47.760 have just been its whole own episode. I just want 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:50.760 to know about how Storm got the hammer. I want 0:12:50.760 --> 0:12:53.719 to know how that in itself. I think sometimes the 0:12:54.040 --> 0:13:00.600 simplicity of the what if is where it's kind of 0:13:01.440 --> 0:13:04.319 joy comes from. And I think you're right, like what 0:13:04.360 --> 0:13:07.920 if Howard Start could help the Red Skull or whatever 0:13:08.040 --> 0:13:10.480 versions you want to do, like, and I do think 0:13:10.480 --> 0:13:10.959 that you're right. 0:13:11.080 --> 0:13:13.400 Hilariously, when I was in London with my nephew, he. 0:13:13.400 --> 0:13:15.959 Was watching a lot of YouTube shorts and a lot 0:13:16.000 --> 0:13:18.560 of the critiques that people were giving before the show 0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:22.559 came out was like, here's five MCU. 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:23.920 Moments I would want to see turned into a what if? 0:13:23.960 --> 0:13:26.480 And I have to say, I was like, actually, these 0:13:26.480 --> 0:13:29.840 are really smart, Like it was just simple moment, you know, 0:13:29.920 --> 0:13:31.320 what about if you did one where it was like 0:13:31.360 --> 0:13:33.640 what if Colson never got killed? 0:13:34.480 --> 0:13:35.120 This is great? 0:13:35.360 --> 0:13:37.800 And here's the other thing. And part of this is 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:40.320 like listen, I just I've been playing more of a rival, 0:13:40.400 --> 0:13:44.319 so like in a lot of downtime as getting over 0:13:44.360 --> 0:13:46.920 a cold. I'm still kind of getting over it. I've 0:13:46.920 --> 0:13:51.280 been watching a lot of rewatching a lot of mcu stuff, 0:13:51.880 --> 0:13:55.520 And you know, there's that famous line where Doctor Strangers like, 0:13:56.200 --> 0:14:00.240 there's fourteen million different scenarios. This is the only when 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:04.320 we went in why and here's and so here based 0:14:04.360 --> 0:14:06.960 off that. Here's another of my critiques. Why do all 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:10.760 of these end in happy endings? Yeah, there should be 0:14:12.080 --> 0:14:17.600 several ones where it just turns out worse people die. 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:21.000 It's tragic. That would add some real heft to this 0:14:21.160 --> 0:14:24.920 story if you see how the heroes could feel, how 0:14:25.040 --> 0:14:28.840 actually in the in the MC universe that we're aware of, 0:14:29.600 --> 0:14:32.440 the heroes succeeded, and how rare that is and how 0:14:32.560 --> 0:14:36.800 and how valuable that is. It's it was really strange 0:14:36.800 --> 0:14:39.280 to me that in every single one of these what ifs, 0:14:39.280 --> 0:14:43.000 things turned out Okay, I think that's not I think 0:14:43.040 --> 0:14:45.080 that's I don't think it should be like that. 0:14:45.160 --> 0:14:49.200 When you think about the first season and four if 0:14:49.320 --> 0:14:51.880 and that fourth episode which we you know, everyone talks 0:14:51.880 --> 0:14:54.280 about a lot, the Doctor Strange episode that was like 0:14:54.320 --> 0:14:58.200 a tragic episode, and it's the episode everyone still thinks about. 0:14:58.560 --> 0:14:59.440 And you know, we were. 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:01.640 Talking about this, we were texting each other about this. 0:15:01.720 --> 0:15:04.120 But I do think as well, like I do think 0:15:04.160 --> 0:15:09.440 the relevance of this show for MCU fans did wane 0:15:09.600 --> 0:15:12.760 once they chose not to use that version of Strange 0:15:12.800 --> 0:15:15.760 in Multiverse of Madness and instead created like a different 0:15:15.800 --> 0:15:16.680 evil Strange. 0:15:16.920 --> 0:15:19.360 I was like, Okay, I feel like you're saying that 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:23.120 you don't think this show matters, and I do. 0:15:23.200 --> 0:15:25.880 I think the release, I think the release cadence tells 0:15:26.000 --> 0:15:30.240 us that, you know, eight eight episodes in eight days, 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:32.680 feels like they're kind of just dumping it on us. 0:15:33.600 --> 0:15:36.680 My senses, they probably had a lot of these vocal performances, 0:15:36.760 --> 0:15:40.320 if not the majority in the can five years ago, 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:43.720 and they're just like, Okay, let's get this out and 0:15:43.720 --> 0:15:46.360 then move on from it. Not that and again not 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:47.359 that it isn't. 0:15:47.160 --> 0:15:50.720 Good, it's like it's so fun. But yeah, I don't know. 0:15:50.960 --> 0:15:53.640 I think this comes from that is the leftover of 0:15:53.680 --> 0:15:56.240 the era where they were like, the MCU is the 0:15:56.240 --> 0:15:57.080 biggest thing in the world. 0:15:57.080 --> 0:15:57.880 We just got to keep them. 0:15:57.840 --> 0:16:03.400 They make But I'm like, guys, like, what if has 0:16:03.560 --> 0:16:06.560 so much potential, and I think what you could do 0:16:06.680 --> 0:16:09.480 is you could do. I think any one of these 0:16:09.520 --> 0:16:12.080 episodes would have been a good addition to like a 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:17.000 more EMCU heavy what if, Like a random episode like 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:19.640 Howard Duck and Howard the Duck and Darcy have a baby, 0:16:20.200 --> 0:16:22.960 or like Shang Chi and Kate Bishop are in the West. 0:16:23.360 --> 0:16:26.840 That's cool, as like the Oh that was a weird episode. 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:29.240 But to have a whole thing of just kind of 0:16:29.280 --> 0:16:35.160 like no impact, nothing mass. I don't necessarily think that 0:16:35.320 --> 0:16:38.240 it's gonna have the same impact as something like X 0:16:38.280 --> 0:16:41.280 Men ninety seven, which obviously, you know, we saw how 0:16:41.560 --> 0:16:46.040 fantastic and kind of brilliant show was, and also how 0:16:46.040 --> 0:16:48.360 it you know, controlled the conversation. 0:16:49.120 --> 0:16:51.560 They did weekly releases and people talked about it like 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:53.080 it was a prestige TV show. 0:16:53.600 --> 0:16:55.880 Yeah. I think part of the reason we're being kind 0:16:55.920 --> 0:16:58.400 of tough on what If as we just got off 0:16:59.280 --> 0:17:03.040 covering our Cane, We just got off watching Blue Eyed 0:17:03.120 --> 0:17:05.880 Samurai x N ninety seven, and I just think the 0:17:05.920 --> 0:17:10.920 bar for animation is high, and while this is fine, 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:16.080 it could have been really good. Here's my pitch for 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:19.440 a tweak on season three. Yes, maybe makes it better 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:23.359 I think you open with Uatu in chains before the 0:17:23.400 --> 0:17:28.040 three other watchers they're sitting in judgment of him, and 0:17:28.080 --> 0:17:32.159 then the season is basically a flashback to moments from 0:17:32.359 --> 0:17:36.960 these different what ifs where u Watu increasingly gets involved, 0:17:37.160 --> 0:17:40.240 and I think in there you have to have some 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:44.560 it just goes really bad, like why would Uatu want 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:46.359 to get involved? He'd want to get involved because we 0:17:46.520 --> 0:17:52.760 just watched maybe two episodes of this universe gets completely destroyed, 0:17:53.760 --> 0:17:57.560 shreds it down to the to the last atom, the 0:17:57.600 --> 0:18:02.399 hood reigns, Supreme whatever, it is, like something really tragical. 0:18:02.440 --> 0:18:04.199 Then you get to the Reary Williams one and then 0:18:04.240 --> 0:18:05.320 he's like, okay. 0:18:05.560 --> 0:18:07.720 I gotta do something on the scale, and. 0:18:07.680 --> 0:18:10.880 Then you increase it from there because to me, one 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:13.479 of the things that a little bit of the strength 0:18:13.520 --> 0:18:16.000 of the show and not done enough is it's an 0:18:16.040 --> 0:18:18.360 anthology series, but there is a through line. The through 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:20.960 line is a watchu Yeah, but that through line doesn't 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:25.199 emerge until really episode six kind of, and then it 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:29.480 needs to be there more. And this season should be 0:18:29.880 --> 0:18:31.320 a character art for him. 0:18:31.720 --> 0:18:33.960 Yeah, yeah, And they did set that up in the 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:37.520 first season too, they said their main character, so I 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:41.160 also think like, and obviously this is gonna be hilarious 0:18:41.160 --> 0:18:43.520 coming from me, because I am everyone knows I love 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:44.120 an Easter Egg. 0:18:44.160 --> 0:18:45.280 I love to catch an East Egg. 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:49.680 And there's all kinds of outrageous samurai ghostwriter like you know, 0:18:49.920 --> 0:18:54.520 Dannos Wolverine, all these different kind of versions of Holka 0:18:54.560 --> 0:18:55.640 is the Sorcerer Supreme? 0:18:55.760 --> 0:18:59.640 Like yeah, bah. I also do feel that. 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:04.000 This season feels a lot more like they were just 0:19:04.119 --> 0:19:06.320 kind of throwing stuff like that in to be like, 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:08.639 look at these characters who are back, Like you, you 0:19:08.720 --> 0:19:10.600 don't know if you like the MCU right now, but 0:19:10.640 --> 0:19:13.000 look at all these characters. Look at this at Easter 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:15.560 Egg here, look at the like characters. But they it 0:19:15.560 --> 0:19:18.520 doesn't feel like they're gonna lead to anything. It doesn't 0:19:18.560 --> 0:19:25.520 really feel like there's necessarily a payoff to the inclusions. 0:19:25.560 --> 0:19:29.560 Like I think that's what's tough, because you know the 0:19:29.600 --> 0:19:31.960 origins of Easter Eggs and the MCU, and the stuff 0:19:32.000 --> 0:19:36.119 that really makes people excited is like when Colson shows 0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:36.640 up and. 0:19:36.760 --> 0:19:40.600 Says the full name of Shield, or you know, when 0:19:40.960 --> 0:19:43.760 you get thors Hammer and people know what that means. 0:19:43.800 --> 0:19:47.240 Like I think that this feels a little bit like Flighty, 0:19:47.359 --> 0:19:50.320 and I appreciate every single person who worked on it, 0:19:50.520 --> 0:19:51.359 like I love it. 0:19:51.520 --> 0:19:53.160 This people's job. 0:19:53.520 --> 0:19:56.119 But also I have to say I do think post 0:19:56.240 --> 0:19:58.160 X Men ninety seven. And this is just because I'm 0:19:58.160 --> 0:20:00.400 in the mid thirties, you know, I have my taste. 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:03.600 It was hard for me to enjoy this as much 0:20:03.680 --> 0:20:06.679 as the more classic two D animation that we have 0:20:06.800 --> 0:20:10.119 been getting, like with X Men ninety seven, or the 0:20:10.200 --> 0:20:15.159 kind of more inventive animation of Arcane that kind of 0:20:15.240 --> 0:20:19.560 like almost rotoscoped, like heavily cg look that this show has. 0:20:19.640 --> 0:20:21.720 It just isn't my favorite either, So I think it's 0:20:21.760 --> 0:20:25.040 easier for me to kind of feel less engaged. 0:20:25.080 --> 0:20:26.280 And I'm saying this, guys. 0:20:26.280 --> 0:20:29.879 There's a whole episode about the eternals, but it still 0:20:29.920 --> 0:20:31.040 didn't capture me. You know. 0:20:31.640 --> 0:20:34.000 Again, I think it's I do think it's fine, and 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:39.560 some of the action scenes are very hanime, but it 0:20:39.600 --> 0:20:44.080 does also feel again, and some of this is just 0:20:44.600 --> 0:20:46.920 we just got done watching Hurricane. We just got done 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:48.760 watch it xtra days Ozo, we just got don't watch it, 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:51.919 believe it the Samurai. It does feel a little no 0:20:52.040 --> 0:20:54.280 disrespect to anybody who worked very very hard on this 0:20:54.359 --> 0:20:58.480 show a little bland in comparison, and I think when 0:20:58.520 --> 0:21:03.560 you couple that with a storyline that feels like it 0:21:03.640 --> 0:21:08.359 kind of doesn't matter. Yeah it has, it doesn't have 0:21:08.440 --> 0:21:10.840 the impact that I kind of wish it had. 0:21:11.080 --> 0:21:11.840 Yeah, I agree. 0:21:12.000 --> 0:21:41.040 We'll be right back after a quick break. 0:21:28.480 --> 0:21:29.000 And we're back. 0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:32.360 Let me ask you then, Okay, So like, because it's 0:21:32.359 --> 0:21:34.119 also been an unbelievable year for anime. 0:21:34.560 --> 0:21:37.639 Dand Dan just finished which was unbelievable. There's been so 0:21:37.680 --> 0:21:38.680 many great shows. 0:21:39.560 --> 0:21:44.680 Let's talk about before we end this little animation start 0:21:44.720 --> 0:21:47.040 to the new year, Let's talk about Creature Commandos. Because 0:21:47.040 --> 0:21:51.760 we went enjoying Cat but the fourth episode, which when 0:21:51.800 --> 0:21:53.800 we are recording this was the newest episode. 0:21:53.840 --> 0:21:55.080 There will be more. We know. 0:21:55.160 --> 0:21:56.760 We haven't talked about it for a while, but we'll 0:21:56.800 --> 0:22:00.800 be checking in again. That compared to What If, which, 0:22:00.880 --> 0:22:03.960 like you said, very funny, very kind of like light. 0:22:04.280 --> 0:22:07.000 Not a lot of impact going on here in this show. 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:09.560 It's kind of more just like a few running jokes 0:22:10.119 --> 0:22:11.760 and some outrageous episodes. 0:22:12.280 --> 0:22:13.919 Creature Kimanos episode. 0:22:13.560 --> 0:22:16.719 Four is the opposite, and we finally get some of 0:22:16.760 --> 0:22:22.760 that heartbreaking gun melancholia, and I think it really like 0:22:23.040 --> 0:22:29.160 upped the anti and the impact of the season so far. 0:22:29.720 --> 0:22:34.240 Yeah, the show is really over two episodes. The first 0:22:34.240 --> 0:22:35.920 two I was like, okay. 0:22:35.640 --> 0:22:36.760 This is we get it. 0:22:36.760 --> 0:22:45.200 It's it's episode three about the same episode four. I'm like, okay, wait, 0:22:45.200 --> 0:22:47.439 hold on, this show is getting very very interesting. So 0:22:47.480 --> 0:22:51.000 we open uh every episode and I really love this dynamic. 0:22:51.040 --> 0:22:55.480 Every episode has been as doubled as one. An opportunity 0:22:55.520 --> 0:22:58.560 to move the main plotforward, which is what's going on 0:22:58.640 --> 0:22:59.440 with Circe. 0:23:00.200 --> 0:23:05.040 And why Amanda Walla is after her yeah. 0:23:04.840 --> 0:23:09.160 In this alliance with the Sons of Themyscira, and an 0:23:09.200 --> 0:23:13.280 opportunity to also delve into, you know, the story of 0:23:13.400 --> 0:23:15.640