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Speaker 2: Today's episode contains spoilers for Marvel's third season of its

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Speaker 2: animated what If television program on Disney Plus End and

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Speaker 2: the fourth episode of the getting increasingly Better Creature Commandos

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Speaker 2: HBO and Max You're one. Hello, my name is Jase

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Speaker 2: Kencepcion and I'm Rosday Night, and welcome back. Xtra Vision,

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Speaker 2: the podcast where we divey bit de your favorite Joe's movies,

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Speaker 2: collably some pop culture coming to you from my Heart

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Speaker 2: podcast where We'll be you three episodes a week, every

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Speaker 2: Tuesday Thursday, with an extra episode every Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: In today's episode, we are giving you a reactions to

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Speaker 3: what If Season three of the final.

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Speaker 4: Season of what If. What If Marvel.

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Speaker 3: Made a good cartoon again, I don't know, let's talk

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Speaker 3: about it, and we will also be looking at how

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Speaker 3: it compares to some of the great animation that we've

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Speaker 3: gotten this year, including Creek Commandos, which is getting very good.

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Speaker 2: It's getting really good. Okay, first year luck Okay, what If?

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Speaker 2: Season three? Let's first just run through the what ifs.

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Speaker 2: Episode one is a universe in which Bruce Banner and

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Speaker 2: In the MCU main universe, Banner accidentally creates these like

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Speaker 2: goes into hiding. The Avengers have to create giant mech

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Speaker 2: suits to deal with the monsters. Many of them die

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Speaker 2: into a Kaiju to deal with them, and then.

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Speaker 2: He makes like a monster like a hulk Monster Island

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Speaker 3: Banner's Jurassic Park. Yeah, interesting as well. It's Sam Monica, Rambo,

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Speaker 3: shang Chi, Moonnight, Bucky, Red Guardian, Shuri.

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Speaker 4: So I'm like, this feels like it.

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Speaker 3: Is supposed to be the Phase four Avengers team that

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Speaker 3: It feels like they're throwing back to that and bringing

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Speaker 2: Episode two it is Hollywood's Golden eras. I think it's

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Speaker 4: She wants to like steal the celestial's power.

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Speaker 2: To create this entire like huge magic ritual using the

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Speaker 4: I was going through a bunch of old what if Comics.

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Speaker 2: Who is spoiler alert is the very tangential like extremely

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Speaker 2: His whole wad is like, well, you know, I guess

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Speaker 2: Episode seven, What if the Watcher disappeared? Zandar home of

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Speaker 4: And I'm not gonna lie. They are not wrong.

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Speaker 4: We have to critics, but be that as it may.

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Speaker 4: We're back.

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Speaker 2: First, what's your favorite of these episodes? You pick yours

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Speaker 2: this season as a whole.

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Speaker 3: I like that if I'm just going by like vibes,

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Speaker 4: Like did it need to be made?

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Speaker 3: Really exactly the fact that they even like, I think

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Speaker 3: go on, that each of the characters have that tragic

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Speaker 3: concept of monstrosity he kind of thrust upon them.

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Speaker 2: I love. You know, Gunn is the patron saint of

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Speaker 2: weirdos and outcasts, and he he displays that so well.

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Speaker 2: Here we understand Weasel's backstory because of his lawyer, who

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Speaker 2: you know, basically shows up at Belle Reeve to give

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Speaker 2: the Creature commandos and Waller shit for their mistreatment of

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Speaker 2: her client. Also at Belle Reeve is Circe, who has

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Speaker 2: been captured after the battle in Pecola Stan. There's some

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Speaker 2: interesting there's some real problems now because Circe is claiming

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Speaker 2: that what she was doing was trying to save the world.

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Speaker 2: Why is this problem because all the scientists and people

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Speaker 2: who have studied Circe at Bell even elsewhere agree that

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Speaker 2: she's legitimately able to predict the future with basically one

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Speaker 2: hundred percent accuracy. She's very prophetic and if she's saying

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Speaker 2: that this, they have to take it seriously. Waller goes

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Speaker 2: in and allows Circe to project her vision of the

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Speaker 2: future what she's seen into her mind, and what she's

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Speaker 2: seen is the princess who flagged Junior has been fucking

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Speaker 2: and is incurrent, and who everybody thought was just like

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Speaker 2: a very sexually adventurous but innocent, promising, promising and promising

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Speaker 2: future leader of Pecolistan is in fact a budding authoritarian

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Speaker 2: world dictator in waiting who is biding her time until

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Speaker 2: she can invade and you know America destroy the with

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Speaker 2: and uh you know, impaled just this league on spikes,

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Speaker 2: and not only is she planning to do this, she

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Speaker 2: is going to fucking win.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And when Waller sees this, it shakes her. She's like,

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Speaker 2: oh no. She tells Flag, listen, we got to send

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Speaker 2: the commandos back to polost and we have to take

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Speaker 2: the princess into custody and or just take her out,

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Speaker 2: like kill her whatever. So Flag is like, wait a second, wait,

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Speaker 2: not the princess.

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Speaker 4: That's my goal.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, she would ever have what? So Flag

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Speaker 2: now it begins secretly plotting against the commandos and Waller

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Speaker 2: because he believes the princesses in this and this is crazy,

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Speaker 2: how can we do this? And he allives with none

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Speaker 2: other than Eric Frankenstein, who of course is completely obsessed

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Speaker 2: in a very very toxic and dangerous way with the bride.

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Speaker 2: And we actually watched this play out several times as

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Speaker 2: he like kills several soldiers who he believes are like

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Speaker 2: mocking his feelings over the bride, and then he at

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Speaker 2: one point almost kills Flag because he believes that the

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Speaker 2: bride is in love.

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Speaker 4: With Frag Yeah, not the princess. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So this sets up in our coming episode is a

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Speaker 2: conflict between Flag and the rest of the creature come and.

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Speaker 3: Waller and Flag and they kind of team up between

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Speaker 3: Flag and Frankenstein.

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Speaker 4: And I would also, oh sorry, Eric, I would also say.

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Speaker 3: As well, I do I do think that this is

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Speaker 3: the magic spice that James Gunn has that in comparison

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Speaker 3: to What If three, which, by the way, Marvel could

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Speaker 3: have this spice because they are made by the same studios.

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Speaker 3: What James Gunn does in this episode is he's like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know those like big characters the Superman trailer you

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Speaker 3: just watched and everything.

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Speaker 4: Guess what I'm.

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Speaker 3: Gonna do a future where they're all dead and you're

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Speaker 3: gonna feel like, oh shit, this is actually those characters.

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Speaker 3: Like if we don't stop this thing in the animated series.

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Speaker 4: It could impact the real DC universe.

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Speaker 3: Yes, And I think that that is added by having

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Speaker 3: you know, John Economos show up in this episode. Another

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Speaker 3: connection to live action obviously, we have Viola Davis legend

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Speaker 3: as Amanda Waller as that anchor. So I feel like

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Speaker 3: they make you feel like, oh, this is happening, We're

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Speaker 3: just watching it from a different angle.

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Speaker 4: And I feel like that is what was missing in three.

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Speaker 4: And also, I mean this is just such an unbelievable cast.

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Speaker 3: Like Linda CARDLINI shows up, love her obviously, Like we

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Speaker 3: get Stephanie Beetris like.

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Speaker 4: From Brooklyn nine nine.

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Speaker 3: She's playing I think, like a Gotham Academy character, which

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Speaker 3: I love because I love that comic Isla Macpherson. There's

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Speaker 3: just so many great moments in this episode where I

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Speaker 3: was like, Okay, you know what, I take back some

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Speaker 3: of my sassier opinions about the first couple of episodes

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Speaker 3: because it was fun, it was a little bit light,

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Speaker 3: it was a little bit saucy, like it was a

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Speaker 3: little bit at G But by four I'm like, okay.

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Speaker 2: It's now, it's hitting its stride, and I love that

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Speaker 2: it's spent. The first two episodes is basically a fake

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Speaker 2: out of what the show was going.

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Speaker 4: To be and.

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Speaker 2: What it was going to be about. It seemed like

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Speaker 2: it was going to be an extremely straightforward show. You

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Speaker 2: know about this team of misfits that get sent into

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Speaker 2: an impossible mission to do a thing, and it goes sideways,

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Speaker 2: but you expect they eventually win. Now it turns out

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Speaker 2: that hold On, the bad guy is the good guy.

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Speaker 4: The good guy.

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Speaker 2: Doesn't believe that the princess is now a bad guy,

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Speaker 2: and you've got all these wonderful, really juicy conflicts brewing,

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Speaker 2: and man, the show is really good.

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Speaker 3: And also, Weasel, the most monstrous character, is actually probably

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Speaker 3: the only.

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Speaker 4: One who's professional gun.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, not a professional killer, and it's probably going to

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Speaker 3: be like a save the Day type character.

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Speaker 2: Which is absolute, classic, classic, classic gun. Great show, and

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Speaker 2: I think you're exactly right underlines what we feel is

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Speaker 2: missing from season three of What If. There's not enough heartbreak,

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Speaker 2: not enough sadness to make the triumphal victories mean something,

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Speaker 2: not enough tie back to the main MCU storyline to

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Speaker 2: give us these contrasty different angle perspective moments of like

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Speaker 2: these what If sliding door moments to make the main

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Speaker 2: mc really feel like it matters more. And all those

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Speaker 2: things are things that Creature Commandos right now is giving us.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, great show, great show, and especially in a year

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Speaker 3: like twenty twenty four when there has just been so

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Speaker 3: much incredible animation.

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Speaker 4: I mean, I haven't even talked about yet on this series,

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Speaker 4: So this is gonna be my my.

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Speaker 3: You might not have watched it yet animated offering now

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Speaker 3: I will say it's only partially animated because it is

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Speaker 3: a live action show with animated characters.

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Speaker 4: But the Knuckle Show on Paramount Plus is so fun, Like.

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Speaker 3: I cannot tell you even if you don't like those

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Speaker 3: Sonic movies, however you feel about them.

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Speaker 4: Idris Elbert has.

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Speaker 3: Knuckles going on a Kingpin inspired bowling road trip with

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Speaker 3: like a do Fust character called Wade Legit one of

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Speaker 3: the funniest shows of the year. Like I wrote a

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Speaker 3: lot about ign because I just thought it was so good.

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Speaker 3: And there's even those elements that we have now of

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Speaker 3: this kind of hybrid animation live action that are also

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Speaker 3: offering up really cool stuff other things that we didn't

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Speaker 3: even talk about Batman, Cape Crusader. It was so fun,

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Speaker 3: so beautifully animated, Like it's been a great year. New

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Speaker 3: Ninja Turtles obviously iconic, and I just think that, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's a little bit harder for Marvel to just be like,

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Speaker 3: let's just make something when we like in the animation, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know, renaissance essentially. And by the way, we're not

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Speaker 3: even talking about some of the biggest animated shows in

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Speaker 3: the world, like Rick and Morty, which have already taken

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Speaker 3: a lot of the tropes and ideas that Marvel have

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Speaker 3: had over the years in the comics and distilled them

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Speaker 3: into a very popular reimagining and kind of reconsideration recontextualization

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Speaker 3: for modern audiences. So then when Marvel's making something like

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Speaker 3: what If or a Man Quantumania as we saw it

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Speaker 3: feels derivative of Rick and Morty, even though that stuff

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Speaker 3: is actually.

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Speaker 4: Being taken from Marble. So there's so many layers to it. Okay,

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Speaker 4: Jason did you have any more.

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Speaker 3: We talked about Arcane, Blue Eyed Samurai X Men ninety seven.

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Speaker 3: Was there any other great animation or animated movies you

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Speaker 3: watched this year to recommend before we go.

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Speaker 2: Oh, you know what The Terminator? Uh? Yeah, heiro on Netflix.

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Speaker 2: It took a little while to get cooking, but when

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Speaker 2: it gets cooking, it is it has some surprises for you.

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Speaker 2: And you know, we've seen the Ai comes Alive things

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Speaker 2: so many times, and so there's some twists in this

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Speaker 2: one that really feel shockingly fresh, especially for a Terminator series.

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Speaker 2: And of course in terms of the animation.

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Speaker 5: I was gonna say production like fucking unreal, gritty, ghost

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Speaker 5: in the shell, incredible action like.

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Speaker 2: Just unbelievable. Their action has this incredible like loping fast,

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Speaker 2: slow rhythm to it that is a cadence to the

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Speaker 2: action scene that feels almost like a dance where you

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Speaker 2: feel the immense power and speed of some of these

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Speaker 2: characters who are doing the thing. But then you also

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Speaker 2: feel these moments of like agony where it seems like

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Speaker 2: a moment where a hit is like stretched out in

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Speaker 2: the most sublime way. Anyway, I really like that one

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Speaker 2: as well. Yeah, well that's it for this episode That's.

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Speaker 3: Up.

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Speaker 2: We're gonna be talking about stuff.

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Speaker 3: All kinds of stuff in twenty twenty five Baby Happiner

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Speaker 3: Yeah Where twenty twenty five We Can Survives Listening.

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