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Speaker 1: My best friend demanded I break up with my fiance

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Speaker 2: Oh, so, I guess I'll just marry you now that

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Speaker 2: you get you got you called Dibbs.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, I didn't know that. What are we doing here? Hi? Everyone?

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Speaker 1: I twenty one female cut contact with one of my

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Speaker 1: closest childhood friends marry twenty one female a few weeks ago.

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Speaker 1: While I feel relieved she's out of my life, most

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Speaker 1: of my family and mutual friends think I overreacted, and

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Speaker 1: now I'm starting to second guess my decision. By the way,

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Speaker 3: Storytime send it in.

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Speaker 1: So I'm going to put some rather irrelevant background information.

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Speaker 1: We love useless details on this show. Mary and I

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Speaker 1: practically grew up as sisters. I would say that's important details.

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Speaker 1: We were neighbors and our parents started arranging play dates

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Speaker 1: for us before we could even walk from kindergarten to

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Speaker 1: secondary school. We did everything together. If I wasn't at

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Speaker 1: her house, she was at mine. I trusted her completely

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Speaker 1: and never thought of anything other than my best friend.

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Speaker 1: Things changed when Mary moved away. From university. At first

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Speaker 1: I missed her, but over time I noticed how much

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Speaker 1: easier life felt without her constant presence. Hmmmm, is this

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Speaker 1: maybe a toxic friend that we just you know, had

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Speaker 1: grandfathered in?

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Speaker 3: Now you're living life on easy street? Ooh, easy streets? Yeah? No, Mary,

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Speaker 3: Yeah do do.

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Speaker 1: I wasn't being criticized, guilt tripped, or forced to justify

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Speaker 1: my choices anymore. It became clear how much control she'd

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Speaker 1: had over me. Mary had all at Mary had a

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Speaker 1: way of dominating every aspect of my life. She'd dismissed

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Speaker 1: my hobbies or pressure me to quit them, and if

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Speaker 1: she didn't like one of my friends, I'd have.

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Speaker 3: To cut ties. Wow.

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Speaker 1: Uh, you could call me a pushover, but when you

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Speaker 1: grow up with someone like that, it's hard to see

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Speaker 1: the manipulation for.

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Speaker 3: What it is.

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Speaker 1: Things really came to a head when I met my

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Speaker 1: now fiance, Dave twenty seven. He's amazing, kind, supportive, and

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Speaker 1: everything I've ever wanted in a partner. We clicked instantly

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Speaker 1: and he's honestly the best thing that's ever happened to me.

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Speaker 3: Sweet or so, and I bet Mary hates.

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Speaker 2: Him for it.

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Speaker 3: Mary wants him to go to the depths of.

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Speaker 2: Ag It really does feel like this probably started as

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Speaker 2: like a leader versus follower type dynamic. She was always

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Speaker 2: following Mary's lead, and now that she's like, you know

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Speaker 2: her own, Mary's.

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Speaker 4: Like, now my lucky Yes, you were my egler. How

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Speaker 4: can you be my my, my mere side kick? If

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Speaker 4: you are married to this man, it gives you real

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Speaker 4: attention and affection.

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Speaker 3: Gotta love it. But of course Mary didn't approve.

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Speaker 1: Dakota called it don't need a conspiracy theory to predict that.

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Speaker 3: One ye.

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Speaker 1: She immediately tried to plant seeds of doubt, saying he

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Speaker 1: was too old, he'd cheat, he was just using me.

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Speaker 1: Thankfully for once, I didn't listen to her, and I'm

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Speaker 1: a dream vacation and during the.

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Speaker 2: Trip he proposed, yay, I propose we get Mary.

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Speaker 3: Hey, I say yes, nay nice And now we're married.

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Speaker 3: Now we're married. Oh it is beautiful. Don't tell Naima yes.

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Speaker 2: About to say, that's going to be complicated to John,

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Speaker 2: I have a girlfriend, she's here, now you're John.

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Speaker 3: I have a husband friend?

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Speaker 2: Oh no?

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Speaker 3: Uh quick divorce?

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Speaker 1: Oh no, yeah, right. Everything about it was perfect. He

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Speaker 1: planned every little detail and it.

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Speaker 3: Was more magical than I ever could have imagined.

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Speaker 1: I was over the moon, and I couldn't wait to

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Speaker 1: share the news with everyone, everyone, including you know who. Naturally,

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Speaker 1: I told Mary, expecting at least some excitement, but instead,

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Speaker 3: We need to give you some notes here.

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Speaker 1: It's stung, but I brushed it off and reminded her

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Speaker 1: That's when things completely fell apart out of nowhere.

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Speaker 3: Mary told me, you should break up with Dave.

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Speaker 2: Proposal, break up with your fiance so that I can

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Speaker 1: Ooh, attempting proposal, sir. And what do I get out

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Speaker 3: Nothing? And you can't say no, perfect manipulation A cheese.

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry you do get misery?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's right, that's good signing bonus. When I

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Speaker 1: asked her why her reasoning had nothing to do with me, Instead,

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Speaker 1: she compared him to her her boyfriend Julian twenty two men,

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Speaker 1: saying things like, Dave makes more money than Julian and

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Speaker 1: Dave can give you everything. Well, I have to work

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Speaker 1: for what I want?

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Speaker 3: What does that mean? What does that have to do

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Speaker 2: Like the absolute logic disconnect there of like we so

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, hey, uh don't marry you're a man, because

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Speaker 3: And there really are people out here like that. Dude,

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Speaker 1: Uh, It's clear that she wasn't concerned about me. She

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Speaker 1: was just jealous. She couldn't handle the fact that, for once,

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Speaker 3: Ever again, Hey, perfectly fine.

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Speaker 2: If someone said that to me, I'd be like, at

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Speaker 1: Well, things were never the same, because remember, this is

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Speaker 1: just this one incident. It is a straw that broke

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Speaker 3: Is just what a.

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Speaker 2: Horrific thing to have a best friend who's actually been

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Speaker 2: vast majority of it, at least the vast majority in diaper.

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Speaker 3: She was like, you know, if you sleep.

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Speaker 1: On that bid because that bodo's been in mine, yes,

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Speaker 2: She's literally carried the toddler attitude of like, put your

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Speaker 1: Since then, it feels like she's told everyone in our

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Speaker 3: They said, that's.

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Speaker 1: Just how Mary is. You've known her your whole life.

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Speaker 1: She's always been in the spotlight and gotten what she's wanted.

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Speaker 1: So then why can't OPI have a spotlight for once

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Speaker 3: Can you answer me that? Who? Who is defending this girl?

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Speaker 3: Who are you seeing this? You know that's just how

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Speaker 3: she is? Yes, she's the worst. Yes.

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Speaker 1: Some even accused me of breaking your heart and told

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Speaker 3: Guys, you know what, you know what?

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Speaker 1: Hey, hey, thanks for telling me that you're gonna join

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Speaker 3: All right, that's where you're going? Ah ah? Who are

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Speaker 1: Even my own mother said she expected better of me,

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Speaker 1: and that is what's making me question my decision. Did

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Speaker 1: I overreact? Mary has been a huge part of my

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Speaker 1: life for as long as I can remember. Sure, she

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Speaker 1: has her flaws, but we've also shared countless good times

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Speaker 1: and memories. Am I going to throw away years of

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Speaker 1: cutting her off?

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Speaker 3: The right choice? Send?

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Speaker 1: Some people think send. Some people in the comments are

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Speaker 1: claiming my story is fake. The classic answer, Unfortunately it's not.

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Speaker 1: I can't prove it to you, But honestly, what would

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Speaker 1: and posting unreaddit I've never used read it before, and

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Speaker 1: I have no idea what karma is.

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Speaker 3: Why would anyone want it? Gotta love it.

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Speaker 1: Gotta love that one. But again, that's what a fake

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Speaker 2: But hey, yeah, no one's gonna be like to everyone

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Speaker 2: saying that my story was fake.

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Speaker 3: Dang it, how'd you know you got me? Got me? Also, yes,

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Speaker 1: I correct my text, mainly because I was incredibly angry

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Speaker 3: All I know is.

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Speaker 1: That Mary Mary admitted to asking me to break up

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Speaker 1: Maybe there's just a nile because it's easier for.

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Speaker 3: Them to handle. I don't know, but I get it.

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Speaker 1: Hearing something bad about someone you like for the first

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Speaker 3: And we have some.

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Speaker 1: Relevant comments from people, but first I have to get

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Speaker 1: the most relevant comment in.

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Speaker 3: My heart, and that is from Dakota pin Ah. Living

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Speaker 3: in your heart now because I'm your husband, that's right,

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Speaker 3: Oh don't oh sorry, okay, ready hand divorce handshake? Yeah right, yeah, sorry,

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Speaker 3: it wasn't meant to be meant to be. You can

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Speaker 3: have you can have it all.

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's any point in trying to talk

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Speaker 2: to Mary. I think you cut this person off to

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Speaker 2: the You know, if she wasn't going around trying to

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Speaker 2: actively manipulate your friends and family, that would be one thing.

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Speaker 3: But the fact that she did that, yeah, the fact.

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Speaker 2: That she immediately went and told your friends probably a

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Speaker 2: on this? Like the only people who are going to

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Speaker 1: Apparently, like almost all of her friends and family and

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Speaker 2: Maybe does the fiance secreally suck and we just don't

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Speaker 2: know this is the fiance actually even worse than Mary?

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Speaker 1: That would be such a crazy plot. I will say

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Speaker 1: So, you know, I I I cannot imagine that Mary

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Speaker 2: She literally outright said, like, I don't like your husband,

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Speaker 3: Cut Mary off and tell the truth and tell your

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Speaker 2: Who are hitting you up. And yeah, at this point,

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Speaker 2: I think you've already cut Mary off. I don't think

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Speaker 1: Completely agreed, but we've got some relevant comments, so commentar

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Speaker 1: Ah Exactly, they want you to fall back in line

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Speaker 3: She wants to steal your peace like she has done

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Speaker 3: But yeah, it's like if your if your friend Mary

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Speaker 3: So it's like, is it worth it? I don't know.

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Speaker 3: It's one of the most exploitive sports. What about CrossFit?

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Speaker 3: A CrossFit's not a sport. It's like an activity.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, what do you do like fifty body weight

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Speaker 5: Is gymnastics of sport?

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Speaker 3: So cross it is definitely sport. In CrossFit does all

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Speaker 5: Yes it does. They do walking, hands stands. Have you

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Speaker 2: That's not really gymnastics. That is gymnastics more like dexterity. Okay,

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Speaker 2: you can an element of gymnastics, dude, Okay, are they

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Speaker 3: Are they doing vaults. Are they're doing muscle in between?

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Speaker 1: People have broken ividal bones in this sport. The the

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Speaker 1: the structure, the integral structure of this relationship has cracked

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Speaker 1: in half. It is completely broken to smithereens. Oh sorry,

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Speaker 1: I don't know how we just got on that.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, Mary sucks, And don't let anyone tell you

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Speaker 2: she doesn't, even if they're like her half pretend to

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: That's right, Like you know what you know. Don't let

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Speaker 1: got OPI it's it's it's right. It's on the money.

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Speaker 1: It's on the money. But we have an update some

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Speaker 2: Okay, so that would make some sense right there, right.

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Speaker 3: The lies you said? You literally exactly what tokodasa n

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Speaker 3: Mary knows Dave's cheating because she's doing the bounce with Mary,

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Speaker 5: So ope, Like I thought there was something wrong with Dave,

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Speaker 5: he's cheating on you. And he's cheating on you, Oh

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Speaker 5: my god, that's.

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Speaker 3: What she did. Yes, absolute facts.

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Speaker 1: My dad ended up believing me, but my mom is

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Speaker 3: Unsure of what to believe. Believe you'd freaking wre's a

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we've We visited my parents around noon today, talked

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Speaker 1: Turns out Mary really was telling a made up story

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Speaker 3: You see.

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Speaker 1: Apparently she told people, or at least my parents, that

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Speaker 1: She said that this affair had been going on for

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Speaker 3: Let's assume this would be true. Why didn't she inform

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Speaker 3: me in my parents sooner? A good question?

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Speaker 2: This is when you start asking her questions, right, See,

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Speaker 2: what cafe?

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Speaker 3: What city? Yeah? What time of day? Yeah? What did

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Speaker 3: you get? Would she look like, yeah, m can you drive?

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Speaker 2: There, and you know that they were that they was

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Speaker 2: a cheating thing and he wasn't just like having coffee

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Speaker 3: Yeah, did you follow them around? What's the details?

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Speaker 2: Like?

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Speaker 1: Imagine your best friend back then, boyfriend is cheating on

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Speaker 1: her and you know about it, wouldn't you tell her

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Speaker 3: Exactly? Yes, that's logic.

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Speaker 1: This is also why I can't understand why my parents,

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Speaker 1: According to her story, I got incredibly mad, got her

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Speaker 3: Some of it is true, as you should know from my.

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Speaker 1: Original post, For one, her telling me to break up

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Speaker 1: her boyfriend. By the way, I also feel sorry for him.

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine how she must push him around.

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Speaker 1: Well, thoughts in prayers for Julian dude, thoughts and prayer like,

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Speaker 1: if this is how she manipulates her friend, dude, the

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Speaker 3: Partner, I don't even want to begin to know.

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Speaker 1: My mom said that she didn't believe Dave was cheating

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Speaker 3: Have known if Mary was telling the truth. What the

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Speaker 3: hell does that mean? I couldn't. You also couldn't have

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Speaker 2: Do you? What?

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Speaker 3: Great? Point? You?

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Speaker 1: You accepted what she said at face value? Actually it's yeah,

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Speaker 2: Just that was a complete nothing burger of a sentence

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Speaker 1: She thought that cutting off my best friend for being

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Speaker 2: From the tree, Mary's mom accused, Yeah, Mary's the mom

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Speaker 3: Maybe also shut your mouth. Yeah maybe maybe.

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Speaker 1: I'd be like my left pinky toe is a better

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Speaker 3: What is that this one? But what did you do? What? Nothing?

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Speaker 3: I'm not saying nothing. Okay, now I have to say it.

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Speaker 2: Riley changed the t ld R to a phone number

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Speaker 2: and said call Dakota number.

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Speaker 3: You're right, he didn't do that, dang it. He made

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Speaker 3: me say it up. Dang it. Also, I don't know

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Speaker 1: My mom explained what Mary had told her, I went

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Speaker 3: She didn't believe me at.

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Speaker 1: First and said that I was blowing things out of

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Speaker 3: Are you not? So weird not to believe your own

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Speaker 1: Crazy to say I dug deep and told my parents

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Speaker 3: Is a miss is an understatement. I we even went

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Speaker 3: So yeah, I didn't leave out any details. Nice.

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Speaker 3: Dang that rhymed.

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Speaker 2: I can't say it, guy could say it.

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Speaker 3: The dats on them nuts. It's gonna say teats. It's

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Speaker 1: But my dad believed me from the get go. But

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Speaker 1: Maybe I'm creating unnecessary drama.

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Speaker 1: Is necessary though I've let her do whatever she wanted

445
00:21:45,440 --> 00:21:49,080
Speaker 1: for way too long. At some point, my dad simply

446
00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,520
Speaker 1: told her to shut up and stop making chuses for Mary.

447
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:59,240
Speaker 1: W Daddy the first person to speak a lick of logic.

448
00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:00,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, this whole.

449
00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:05,439
Speaker 1: Thing that wasn't like op or her her fiance come on,

450
00:22:05,600 --> 00:22:07,120
Speaker 1: that wasn't like directly involved.

451
00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,960
Speaker 3: So I at least have one parent on my side.

452
00:22:11,440 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 1: My dad's always been a very non confrontational person and

453
00:22:14,400 --> 00:22:16,960
Speaker 1: never really stood his ground, especially when I came to

454
00:22:17,000 --> 00:22:19,680
Speaker 1: my mom. But I found out that he thought that

455
00:22:19,760 --> 00:22:22,320
Speaker 1: Mary didn't have a good influence on me growing up.

456
00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:27,840
Speaker 3: See Daddy knew, Daddy, freaking daddy. Daddy understood that.

457
00:22:29,520 --> 00:22:32,199
Speaker 1: He apparently also told my mom that he wanted to

458
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:34,959
Speaker 1: limit the contact between Mary and me when we were younger,

459
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,159
Speaker 1: but my mom didn't see the point and let the

460
00:22:38,280 --> 00:22:48,200
Speaker 1: friendship continue. Ooh, drying guys, let me let me get

461
00:22:48,400 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 1: some tips of this amazing Mancha maybe made by Sophia.

462
00:22:58,200 --> 00:23:00,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, this this this girl's exhaust.

463
00:23:00,359 --> 00:23:03,320
Speaker 2: Dude, I don't know why she's got the wool pulled

464
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:04,479
Speaker 2: over your mom's eyes.

465
00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:09,960
Speaker 3: Clearly listen to your papa. Listen to your papa.

466
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,359
Speaker 5: Yeah, I completely Why Why?

467
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:14,720
Speaker 4: Why?

468
00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 3: What kind of sick game?

469
00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:17,919
Speaker 5: Why can't you just sit down and watch like freaking

470
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 5: Love is Blind on Netflix? Why can't you watch Love Island?

471
00:23:20,520 --> 00:23:22,520
Speaker 5: Why can't you just do that instead of like actually

472
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:23,200
Speaker 5: making it happen.

473
00:23:23,440 --> 00:23:28,160
Speaker 1: No, no, she has to destroy lives. That's she's the CEO.

474
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:34,840
Speaker 3: Of that destroyer. Destroyer, the destroyer, the booty Destroyer shout

475
00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:37,080
Speaker 3: out to a clip coming out of a clip coming

476
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:45,679
Speaker 3: out about Riley soon. Oh, you don't get to know that, Laity.

477
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:48,119
Speaker 3: You see it, Nakada, It's good stuff. I saw it

478
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 3: in real time. Oh yeah, where were you?

479
00:23:52,840 --> 00:23:55,920
Speaker 1: Where were you the day that the button destroyer landed

480
00:23:55,920 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 1: his cheeks on this planet? Anyways, So basically, this whole

481
00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 1: issue could have been avoided if my mom would have

482
00:24:04,640 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 1: put her friendship with Mary's mother aside for her own family.

483
00:24:08,600 --> 00:24:11,160
Speaker 1: Great In the end, my mom said that she'd speak

484
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 1: to Mary and ask her if what I've said is true,

485
00:24:13,520 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 1: which honestly pissed me off.

486
00:24:15,080 --> 00:24:16,480
Speaker 3: After everything I've told her, she.

487
00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:19,919
Speaker 1: Still wants to crawl back to Mary because apparently what

488
00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:23,320
Speaker 1: her actual daughter says is it enough. She tried to

489
00:24:23,440 --> 00:24:26,200
Speaker 1: justify it since Mary is her daughter too, and it's

490
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,720
Speaker 1: unfair to just hear one side of the story. All right,

491
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,679
Speaker 1: but you already had a heartfelt confession with Mary in

492
00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:36,600
Speaker 1: which she was lying to you completely. After she said

493
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 1: all of that, started a screaming match. I know, not healthy,

494
00:24:40,160 --> 00:24:42,320
Speaker 1: but it honestly felt so dang good to.

495
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:43,359
Speaker 3: Just let it all out.

496
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 1: Sometimes you got him, Sometimes you've got to release. It's

497
00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: you can't load unfreaking load.

498
00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll call it the y I'll let that one slide.

499
00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 3: Unload slipped past me.

500
00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:02,560
Speaker 1: To say that I cried heavily at a frustration after

501
00:25:02,600 --> 00:25:06,000
Speaker 1: talking to my mom is an understatement. The story is

502
00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 1: full of understatements. And I'm so glad that my fiance

503
00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,720
Speaker 1: was with me, because I'm sure as heck wouldn't have

504
00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: been able to drive home safely. But on a good note,

505
00:25:14,600 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 1: I got ice cream and we watched my favorite show

506
00:25:16,800 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 1: when we arrived back home, which.

507
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:19,600
Speaker 3: Made things better. Loll.

508
00:25:20,720 --> 00:25:23,199
Speaker 1: I have not told my mom that I'm considering not

509
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:29,840
Speaker 1: inviting her to my wedding. Alright, wait, I mean yeah,

510
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:31,520
Speaker 1: I think not inviting the mom.

511
00:25:31,800 --> 00:25:34,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, because if you think that, my If you if

512
00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:37,000
Speaker 2: I tell you my fiance my husband's not cheating on me,

513
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,120
Speaker 2: and then you're like, yeah, but is he? Though, I'd

514
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 2: be like, all right, that's weird. Why are you believing

515
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:47,639
Speaker 2: this low down, dirty scoundrel's words about my husband. She

516
00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:50,639
Speaker 2: literally told me she's jealous of my husband. Come on,

517
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:54,080
Speaker 2: come on, why would she be she'd be jealous. She's

518
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 2: jealous of the guy cheating on me, who's a lemur

519
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 2: you know, thanks you.

520
00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 3: He's a king.

521
00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:05,639
Speaker 1: Though he's a king, but he's too braggegnocious with it,

522
00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: you know, I doubt it.

523
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:12,400
Speaker 3: She's probably got that really stifled. Oh, you're right, she is.

524
00:26:13,119 --> 00:26:16,879
Speaker 2: It's just a smoldering little ember of previous leaner glory.

525
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,040
Speaker 3: That's right. That is absolutely true.

526
00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:21,639
Speaker 1: Now we're not planning to get married until next year anyway,

527
00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:23,439
Speaker 1: so there's still enough time for her to make up

528
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:26,000
Speaker 1: her mind about who she'd rather believe. Plus, I don't

529
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 1: want to create a too big of a rift between

530
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:31,520
Speaker 1: me and her, as her mutual friends who took Mary's side.

531
00:26:31,640 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: I've decided not to respond to them. I'm not sure

532
00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: if Mary told them the same story that she told

533
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 1: my parents, but I.

534
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:38,320
Speaker 3: Honestly don't care.

535
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:41,679
Speaker 1: I don't want to see Mary ever again, or at

536
00:26:41,720 --> 00:26:44,680
Speaker 1: least not in the foreseeable future, and mutual friends would

537
00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 1: make that a whole lot harder than it needs to be. Besides,

538
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,200
Speaker 1: they're not only my friend, They're not my only friends

539
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:51,400
Speaker 1: or close friends of mine.

540
00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:53,160
Speaker 3: Dave's also okay with.

541
00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:56,120
Speaker 1: Me not running after them to clear his name. If

542
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,320
Speaker 1: this whole situation should leave his friend group and turn public,

543
00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,640
Speaker 1: I'm going to contact them, but right now, we don't

544
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,959
Speaker 1: see any point in dealing with Mary's minions. That's something

545
00:27:06,440 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: someone called these friends in the comments below my original post,

546
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:10,480
Speaker 1: and I loved it.

547
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 3: I loved it.

548
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:14,440
Speaker 2: Mary's millions munching.

549
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:24,000
Speaker 3: The mung beans millions, manoi.

550
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,159
Speaker 1: Right now, I'm just hoping that Mary messes up her

551
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 1: story somehow and that my mom is going to.

552
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 3: See her for who she really is.

553
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:36,040
Speaker 1: While she's been acting absolutely disgusting towards me and basically

554
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 1: chooses Mary over me in this situation, I'm trying. I

555
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,440
Speaker 1: think I can look past it. It's my mom After all,

556
00:27:44,600 --> 00:27:47,199
Speaker 1: cutting off friends is one thing, but cutting off close family,

557
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,560
Speaker 1: well that's a whole different story. And I try it

558
00:27:49,600 --> 00:27:51,680
Speaker 1: and I'll try to mend things the best I can.

559
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:54,720
Speaker 1: If she's going to stay loyal to Mary, I don't

560
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 1: know what I'm going to do, but that's not something

561
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,480
Speaker 1: I have to think about right now. Once again, thank

562
00:28:00,520 --> 00:28:03,440
Speaker 1: you for your positive and helpful comments. I've read all

563
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: of them, but they keep coming in a rapid speed

564
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,919
Speaker 1: and I really don't know how to respond to most. Also,

565
00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 1: for those who went through something similar, I am so

566
00:28:11,680 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 1: sorry that this happened to you, and I'm incredibly glad

567
00:28:13,880 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: as far as the comments go, that all of you

568
00:28:17,280 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 1: could find peace in your decisions to cut off toxic

569
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 1: friends out of your life.

570
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 3: And we have a second update. But first, first question

571
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 3: for you, Soda, Kota and everyone in.

572
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 1: Chat by the way, please share your thoughts on this below.

573
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 3: Do you think Ope made the right moves cutting off

574
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 3: Mary everything? Yeah? I wish I could.

575
00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:50,560
Speaker 2: Sometimes we have friends for a long time and then

576
00:28:50,680 --> 00:28:54,760
Speaker 2: one day you just you realize like, oh, this person's

577
00:28:55,080 --> 00:28:59,480
Speaker 2: never actually been good for me. I've had that before,

578
00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:04,800
Speaker 2: and it doesn't necessarily even make that person like, uh,

579
00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 2: irredeemable monster or anything.

580
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 3: Right, It's like Mary is just you.

581
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 2: You know, Mary needs to sort out her own stuff

582
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 2: and figure out what makes her the way that she is.

583
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:20,200
Speaker 2: But first she needs to be able to look in

584
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:25,280
Speaker 2: the mirror and be like, oh I am.

585
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 3: So jealous and bitter. Why is that?

586
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, you've made you You're not responsible for

587
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 2: following her on that journey, and now you've seen the light,

588
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 2: it's time for you to.

589
00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:46,160
Speaker 1: Almost almost close. But no, cigar, Yeah, I completely agree.

590
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: I think that in this case. You know, there's many

591
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,840
Speaker 1: cases where there's a friend that like the alignment just

592
00:29:52,920 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 1: isn't there anymore, and you just kind of like, uh politely,

593
00:29:57,320 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: for lack of a better word, you'd go on your

594
00:29:59,040 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: better ways, you know, wish you the luck into the sunset.

595
00:30:01,480 --> 00:30:05,000
Speaker 1: This is a case where the person is absolutely a

596
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: freaking monster, so most definitely cut her off, I will say,

597
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: on the mom and curious on your take. I don't

598
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,960
Speaker 1: know if in my mind it'd be like okay, boom,

599
00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: I am as of now banishing you.

600
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:21,840
Speaker 3: From the wedding.

601
00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: At least in my mind I would maybe put her

602
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: in in in purgatory and in the you know, in

603
00:30:29,600 --> 00:30:30,440
Speaker 1: she's in court.

604
00:30:30,680 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 3: You know, uh, to the moon, so to speak to

605
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 3: the moon.

606
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: You know we we yes to the moon, So to

607
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 1: speak to see her behavior over this next year, to

608
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 1: see if she can come back around, because maybe it's

609
00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,280
Speaker 1: just been so long with her view of this, and

610
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 1: you know, it's like you see this person as a kid,

611
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: you see them grow up, and they present this thing

612
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,480
Speaker 1: to you. So maybe it's just so hard for her

613
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 1: to believe. I don't know, everything changed. But then on

614
00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:01,280
Speaker 1: the other hand, Opie is her literal, flesh and blood daughter, so.

615
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 2: Maybe she's also just like the boyfriend from the beginning.

616
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:06,320
Speaker 2: But it's got to be a thing, you know. He

617
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 2: talked about how Mary would act one way around the others, right,

618
00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 2: So she's masking, yes, and that can be really hard

619
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:16,000
Speaker 2: to get people to see.

620
00:31:16,080 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 3: You know. It's like people who.

621
00:31:18,080 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 2: Have like you know, they'll like tell you like a

622
00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 2: horror story about their parents and then you'll be like,

623
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,160
Speaker 2: but you're you're they're so great, and it's like, yes,

624
00:31:24,240 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 2: because you're at my house.

625
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 3: Yes, you're seeing the best of them. Right.

626
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 2: So it's the same thing with like Mary, where it's like, yeah,

627
00:31:30,680 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 2: I know she seems great, but it's like, you know,

628
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 2: she's going around spreading lives about my fiance because she's

629
00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 2: literally like mad that he makes more money than her husband, which.

630
00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:41,640
Speaker 3: Is insane to do.

631
00:31:41,600 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 2: As a best friend. As an enemy, that is, behave.

632
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 2: That's behavior of an enemy.

633
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, not a friend, not friendship behavior at all.

634
00:31:54,800 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 3: But we have a second update. Let's go.

635
00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: I just want to say this in advance. I don't

636
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,280
Speaker 1: know if my dad was telling the full truth.

637
00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 3: Oh oh wow, oh oh, okay. I do believe him.

638
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: I do believe him, but he might have exaggerated or

639
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 1: left things out. It's entirely possible that he lied to

640
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: a certain extent. I personally don't think that. But then again,

641
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:24,600
Speaker 1: most of the things he told me yesterday I've heard

642
00:32:24,680 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 1: about for the first time, and they make me seem

643
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:31,560
Speaker 1: incredibly innocent. Maybe he was lying. I don't know.

644
00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 3: This whole situation just makes me question who I can

645
00:32:34,560 --> 00:32:35,560
Speaker 3: trust in general.

646
00:32:36,080 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: So we had dinner with my dad last night and

647
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,000
Speaker 1: it was pretty It went pretty well overall. We mainly

648
00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,160
Speaker 1: talked about my mom and Mary. Apparently, my mom had

649
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: always been concerned about what others thought about her, but

650
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:51,600
Speaker 1: when she met Mary's mother, it reached a whole new level.

651
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:55,720
Speaker 1: Mary's mother often criticized my mom for all sorts of things.

652
00:32:56,240 --> 00:33:00,880
Speaker 3: It's crazy. I feel like I've heard something like that before.

653
00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 2: They do. You know what they say about apples all

654
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,560
Speaker 2: was that that they don't fall too far from the tree.

655
00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 3: So they go from the tree, but they're not too fine.

656
00:33:11,480 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 2: Two apples from the same tree through what say they

657
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:18,040
Speaker 2: land in the same place, the same spot. So what

658
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:24,080
Speaker 2: these two apples are rappling, but they're unappealing.

659
00:33:24,560 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 3: It's true, Michael Scott. Yeah. Uh.

660
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: She was criticizing all sorts of things about her, her

661
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 1: parenting style, her clothes, her house, you freaking name it.

662
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 1: Whenever it was something that my mom could change, she

663
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:37,920
Speaker 1: changed it immediately to appease Mary's mother.

664
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 3: Don't like that.

665
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,479
Speaker 1: That's also why I was put into dance classes when

666
00:33:41,480 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 1: I was younger, because Mary's mother signed up Mary for

667
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 1: dance classes. One of many examples. So, yeah, as most

668
00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,880
Speaker 1: comma suggested, she was being pushed around by Mary's mom.

669
00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:53,400
Speaker 3: Is she a narcissist? I don't know.

670
00:33:53,720 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: I'm not a psychologist. One thing to know about Mary's

671
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,240
Speaker 1: family is that they do a dang good job of

672
00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 1: appearing perfect quote unquote happy family, nice jobs, nice house,

673
00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 1: et cetera, et cetera. I guess my mom bought their

674
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,800
Speaker 1: persona and tried to copy it. I'm not going to

675
00:34:10,840 --> 00:34:12,920
Speaker 1: trash talk the whole family here, but let's just say

676
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,000
Speaker 1: that they have just as many flaws as any other family.

677
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 3: We've seen it. Let's see it before.

678
00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:21,680
Speaker 2: Let's be honest, guys.

679
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,479
Speaker 3: There's nobody pole body's nerfik. Do you know what I'm saying?

680
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:27,520
Speaker 3: Pole bodies nerf.

681
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 1: I didn't know for a split second what you're saying,

682
00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,800
Speaker 1: and then I fully understood.

683
00:34:31,360 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 3: What you were saying. Nobody's perfect, nobody's perfect. Man.

684
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,560
Speaker 1: So we just let's just live our lives and and

685
00:34:37,719 --> 00:34:40,160
Speaker 1: not try to convince our best friends to break up

686
00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 1: with the love of their lives because we're jealous for

687
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 1: the stupidest reason.

688
00:34:43,680 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 3: Imagine being merry. That's gonna be so exhausted.

689
00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:46,880
Speaker 2: Brow.

690
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: Like the joy that we get in being happy for

691
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:56,520
Speaker 1: our friends and like whatever good stuff is going on

692
00:34:56,600 --> 00:35:00,200
Speaker 1: in their life, Like, could you imagine trading that joy

693
00:35:00,840 --> 00:35:10,120
Speaker 1: for this? For Julian for Julian Julian Julian, I wish

694
00:35:10,160 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: I could do the Julian voice.

695
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:14,879
Speaker 3: I feel like I'll get in trouble. No, the King

696
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,799
Speaker 3: Julian was too loud, or it's too once you let

697
00:35:17,840 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 3: it out.

698
00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 2: I think I'm too pale. I don't know, because he's

699
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 2: from anyway, I'm dead. Yeah, at least she takes alls

700
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 2: in that it probably sucks worse to be Mary, but

701
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 2: she probably don't even know it.

702
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:36,720
Speaker 3: That's just how she is. She thinks she's the greatest.

703
00:35:36,760 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 3: But you know, she said, she said, Loki loki.

704
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:44,600
Speaker 1: She said, Also, my mom was apparently talking crap crap

705
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,600
Speaker 1: about me to my dad, comparing me to Mary and

706
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: basically every way, and she even said multiple times that

707
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,280
Speaker 1: she wished Mary was her real daughter.

708
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:57,320
Speaker 2: Dude, all right, hey guess what mom, Now you're definitely

709
00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:58,600
Speaker 2: not going to the wedding.

710
00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's about to say, I remember that purgatory, the moon,

711
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,759
Speaker 1: the courtroom proverbial thing we were talking about. Yeah, you

712
00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:06,920
Speaker 1: have fully been sent to the sun. You are not

713
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,720
Speaker 1: going to the wedding. You can go to Mary's wedding.

714
00:36:12,000 --> 00:36:16,919
Speaker 1: She marries King Julian, Sad, King Julian, Sad King Juan,

715
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:17,759
Speaker 1: King Julian.

716
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 3: With that his crown. Oh people are told me to

717
00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 3: do it.

718
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:27,320
Speaker 2: I'm still not going to do it. Oh, Riley's cooking

719
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 2: up over there doing anything. Riley's cooking something.

720
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:35,400
Speaker 1: So she believes that I took away her chance to

721
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: live her dream life. What fun facts. But according to

722
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:43,400
Speaker 1: my dad, my mom's apparently huge on family. She's always

723
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:44,920
Speaker 1: wanted at least four children.

724
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 3: Ironic.

725
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,000
Speaker 1: I know she had a pretty traumatic birth experience with

726
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 1: me and doctors told her that she should not try

727
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: for children again. And yeah, apparently she's blaming me.

728
00:36:54,440 --> 00:36:58,480
Speaker 3: For that too. Sorry mom, that you know that might

729
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,680
Speaker 3: be rude. That might be rude. I'm actually gonna pull

730
00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 3: that one back. There we go, I got you. That's

731
00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:08,720
Speaker 3: me wheeling it back in. We're bringing it back baby.

732
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, but she should get fourteen number fourteen, number four

733
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 2: telling your own daughter that, like.

734
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 3: You, she wished her life and she wish you that

735
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:22,319
Speaker 3: she wasn't your daughter. You're bye bye. Disgusting.

736
00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,240
Speaker 1: A bit of a tma right here. But I've mentioned

737
00:37:25,239 --> 00:37:27,960
Speaker 1: in the comments a few times already. So whenever I

738
00:37:28,000 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 1: can't get pregnant like at all, which means she luckily

739
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,280
Speaker 1: won't get any grandchildren from me. I guess she's sticks

740
00:37:35,360 --> 00:37:37,880
Speaker 1: so close to Mary and Mary's mother because she hopes

741
00:37:37,920 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 1: to be a grandma to.

742
00:37:39,680 --> 00:37:40,960
Speaker 3: Mary's potential children.

743
00:37:41,160 --> 00:37:44,520
Speaker 1: Oh that's honestly so creepy and messed up in my opinion.

744
00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,799
Speaker 1: But well, we're talking about my mom here. Why don't

745
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:48,520
Speaker 1: you just adopt her?

746
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,000
Speaker 3: Huh? Why are you adopt her?

747
00:37:51,080 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 2: Huh?

748
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:53,760
Speaker 3: If you love her so much? Why don't you marry her?

749
00:37:55,040 --> 00:38:03,080
Speaker 3: You could? You could? Her name's Mary, Yeah, Mary Mary. Yeah,

750
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 3: that's a good one. Mary, Mary's Mary marriage. It's like

751
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 3: that water buffalo sentence. Yes, yeah.

752
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:14,600
Speaker 2: Ah.

753
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:19,000
Speaker 3: Poor poor Julian still bro He's still poor and has

754
00:38:19,040 --> 00:38:21,560
Speaker 3: a terrible girlfriend. He gets some fists in the chat

755
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:25,560
Speaker 3: for Julian, Stay strong, brother, We're here for you.

756
00:38:27,680 --> 00:38:30,640
Speaker 1: So I also feel the need to clarify that I

757
00:38:30,680 --> 00:38:34,000
Speaker 1: didn't know any of that. My mom never said anything

758
00:38:34,040 --> 00:38:36,239
Speaker 1: negative about me to my face. Sure there were some

759
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: comparisons here and there, but nothing major or something that

760
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 1: had an impact on me.

761
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 3: It was always it had always just been general stuff.

762
00:38:43,480 --> 00:38:47,439
Speaker 1: That parents tend to do, comparing grades, behavior skills, et cetera,

763
00:38:47,520 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 1: at which I'm.

764
00:38:48,239 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 3: Sorry, but Loki, I don't even know that that's normal.

765
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:55,160
Speaker 3: Parenting sounds abnormal.

766
00:38:55,560 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 1: I mean maybe it's like, uh, why did Tommy get

767
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:01,520
Speaker 1: in a in math and you.

768
00:39:01,520 --> 00:39:04,239
Speaker 3: Got a f. I guess there's that. I mean, but

769
00:39:04,520 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 3: that's less is that it's.

770
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: About the person and more about proving the point. Yeah,

771
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: but yeah, I feel like that can be sometimes.

772
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:17,600
Speaker 3: Like a parenting thing. Yeah, the grades say it on TV.

773
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 3: I guess, yeah, let me not realize that the stability

774
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:26,560
Speaker 3: of the home lens the clients something like that.

775
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 1: But she's also never directly blamed me for her inability

776
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: to have any more children and never said anything abaud

777
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 1: about me not being able to conceive. This is all

778
00:39:36,640 --> 00:39:41,440
Speaker 1: just stuff she's apparently said behind my back. She's most

779
00:39:41,560 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 1: definitely was not the best mom ever, but she wasn't

780
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 1: horrible either, just a person who, in my opinion, shouldn't

781
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:50,400
Speaker 1: have had a child in the first place.

782
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:56,480
Speaker 3: Man. And you know what, that's a very uh objective.

783
00:39:58,040 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: You know, it's like, Hey, this is a human who

784
00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:04,360
Speaker 1: just shouldn't have had I think you have the most important,

785
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: uh or the most relevant perspective on that, seeing as

786
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:08,640
Speaker 1: your her daughter.

787
00:40:09,800 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 2: You know, given my experience, I really feel like this

788
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 2: lady shouldn't have had kids AKA me, And how is

789
00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:20,920
Speaker 2: she going to be like, you've ruined my life, You've

790
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 2: prevented me from having children, which first of all, it

791
00:40:23,160 --> 00:40:27,279
Speaker 2: was an issue with you. And second of all, have

792
00:40:27,360 --> 00:40:29,280
Speaker 2: you heard of this thing called adoption?

793
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 3: Well? Uh adupeion?

794
00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 2: No? No, no, a dope adoption adope, adoption A dope.

795
00:40:41,840 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 3: I got one of those.

796
00:40:42,600 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, compliment of my legs, thank you? Yeah, that's your

797
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:47,640
Speaker 2: mom is not right?

798
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 3: That stupid.

799
00:40:50,600 --> 00:40:53,840
Speaker 1: So my dad admitted that he'd consider divorcing her a

800
00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: few times, but never went through with it because he

801
00:40:56,280 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 1: was scared that my mom would get primary custody. He's

802
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:02,919
Speaker 1: currently considering it again, so let's see how that goes.

803
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:04,080
Speaker 3: Oh, potential update.

804
00:41:04,400 --> 00:41:06,479
Speaker 1: As for why he never stood up to my mom,

805
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: he genuinely didn't have a reason for it. He knew

806
00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:11,360
Speaker 1: that my mom's never said anything like the things above

807
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: to my face, so he didn't think that he should

808
00:41:14,520 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: to me, at least not until I moved out.

809
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 2: Wait so wait, he knew that that's how the mom felt.

810
00:41:21,680 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 3: Yes, oh my god, how do you not.

811
00:41:25,560 --> 00:41:31,640
Speaker 2: Ooh? Now I'm like, oh, I mean he clearly he

812
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,000
Speaker 2: did it because he was like, I, that's such an

813
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 2: impossibly hard thing to tell your daughter. But it's like

814
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 2: you need to have that as a discussion with your

815
00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 2: wife and be like, hey, look, we need to talk.

816
00:41:43,600 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 2: I can't be hearing this come out of my wife's mouth.

817
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 2: I love my daughter, yes, and you are making me

818
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:51,040
Speaker 2: kind of hate you, I would assume.

819
00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, he considered divorce multiple times and is now like

820
00:41:55,760 --> 00:41:57,680
Speaker 1: actively being like, Yo, should I just get divorced now?

821
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,399
Speaker 3: Should have done that? Probably earlier? Yeah, I think.

822
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: I mean he was worried about primary custody, which I

823
00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 1: totally understand, but also also is there a word?

824
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 3: And this is just to get the thought out?

825
00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: This is also maybe bad because it's like, let's say

826
00:42:16,800 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 1: hypothetically they split, and then he's like, hey, I wanted

827
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: to sit down and be honest and share with you

828
00:42:22,040 --> 00:42:24,399
Speaker 1: some of the things child appropriate, maybe in a way

829
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:27,680
Speaker 1: that's like, won't hurt her as much as possible why

830
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 1: I broke up.

831
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,400
Speaker 3: But then also that can look bad.

832
00:42:31,440 --> 00:42:33,480
Speaker 1: It's like trying to make the mom look bad, and

833
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: so it's that is a tough that's a tough that's

834
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,439
Speaker 1: a tough one. If anything, get divorced just for you,

835
00:42:39,560 --> 00:42:43,960
Speaker 1: because you will not be your happiest best self to

836
00:42:44,040 --> 00:42:46,120
Speaker 1: be there and present for your kid. If you're literally

837
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: like living with the person that you're just like, ugh,

838
00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to be married to this.

839
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 3: Woman is a tough one. That's a tough one.

840
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,279
Speaker 1: He didn't engage in these types of conversations with my

841
00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,919
Speaker 1: mom and kept telling her to stop every time, which

842
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:03,759
Speaker 1: caused a lot of fighting between them. I knew that

843
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 1: their marriage was messed up, but I always thought this

844
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 1: had different reasons. Also, my mom reached out to my

845
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: mother in law and complained about Dave, how he changed

846
00:43:13,600 --> 00:43:15,800
Speaker 1: me and stuff, referring to me cutting off Mary and

847
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: choosing my fiance over my best friend. My mother in law,

848
00:43:19,280 --> 00:43:21,960
Speaker 1: who's an absolute angel, and by the way, simply asked

849
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: her why she's discussing this with her since Dave and

850
00:43:25,040 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: I are adults and there's no need to contact her

851
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:30,919
Speaker 1: for it. Yeah, dude, w mother in law.

852
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:35,080
Speaker 3: Mother in Law's like, Hi, are you confused?

853
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,880
Speaker 2: These are not children, they're adults.

854
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 1: I mean Opie and the best friend are twenty one,

855
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,160
Speaker 1: not to say that it's an adult, but also to

856
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: say that, you know, college age.

857
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 2: I mean the young they're not children, but they not babies.

858
00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 2: But like, you also can't just be like I'm telling

859
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:56,759
Speaker 2: your mom.

860
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:01,120
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, that's literally zero. I'm sorry.

861
00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:03,400
Speaker 1: In all these stories, even with the terrible teenagers, I'm like,

862
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:10,680
Speaker 1: I never knew anyone that was this demented or this whatever. Yeah,

863
00:44:10,719 --> 00:44:15,439
Speaker 1: in the most extreme cases. Anyways, my mom also told

864
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: her that Mary said that Dave is cheating on me.

865
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,839
Speaker 1: She then simply told my mom sounds like Mary's projecting

866
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: and hung up Buyer. I'm honestly so pissed that my

867
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:27,920
Speaker 1: mom tried to involve her in the situation. And I

868
00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 1: can't help but wonder if she tried to create conflicts

869
00:44:30,520 --> 00:44:33,239
Speaker 1: between my mother in law and my fiance. Maybe she

870
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,959
Speaker 1: genuinely believes Mary and wanted to warn my mother in law,

871
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: but I guess that would be wishful thinking. For some background,

872
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,920
Speaker 1: my mother in law was a single mom because her

873
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:48,000
Speaker 1: ex boyfriend, Dave's father cheated on her shortly after giving birth.

874
00:44:48,320 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: As you might be able to imagine, she hates cheaters

875
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: with a burning passion, and my mom obviously knew that.

876
00:44:54,239 --> 00:44:56,440
Speaker 1: So yeah, I guess my mom talked to Mary, who

877
00:44:56,480 --> 00:44:59,439
Speaker 1: doubled down, and my mom decided to believe her.

878
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 3: I was expecting that this would happen, but honestly, I'm

879
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:03,839
Speaker 3: really disappointed.

880
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 1: I'm not even sad, angry, or anything, just absolutely disappointed

881
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:12,080
Speaker 1: and confused. I am currently considering sending her one last text,

882
00:45:12,360 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: one single last text before cutting her off for now.

883
00:45:15,640 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: But I don't know if I should give her the

884
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: pleasure of receiving an explanation.

885
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,280
Speaker 2: I think you should probably not even like do a text.

886
00:45:24,360 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 2: I think you should like write a letter or something like.

887
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,480
Speaker 2: I don't know something that I feel like a text

888
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:37,520
Speaker 2: isn't as cathartic if you're gonna not have a direct conversation,

889
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 2: I feel like the letter will be more effective for

890
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:43,120
Speaker 2: you to be able.

891
00:45:42,960 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 3: To let go.

892
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: There definitely is something about the letter that is, like

893
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:53,560
Speaker 1: I it's there's there's more emotional intension, more personal, it's

894
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 1: more personal.

895
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:55,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's kind of.

896
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:58,560
Speaker 1: Has that factor about it that's, I like, holds a

897
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:01,399
Speaker 1: little more weight, and you can send that to her

898
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:03,880
Speaker 1: while having her completely blocked on your phone.

899
00:46:04,040 --> 00:46:06,000
Speaker 3: Yes, we love that. We love that.

900
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:08,640
Speaker 1: I'm still on the fence about cutting ties with her

901
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:12,080
Speaker 1: in general, mainly for my dad's sick. Their marriage is

902
00:46:12,160 --> 00:46:16,439
Speaker 1: rocky already, and although he's considering and divorcing her, I'm not.

903
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 3: Sure if I'll actually go through with it.

904
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:20,960
Speaker 1: Keeping in contact with one parent while not talking to

905
00:46:21,000 --> 00:46:23,240
Speaker 1: the other one must put a whole lot of stress

906
00:46:23,280 --> 00:46:25,360
Speaker 1: on the parents you're still in touch with, and I

907
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:28,640
Speaker 1: honestly don't want to worsen my dad's life at home

908
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: any further.

909
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:31,920
Speaker 3: It's just so crazy how I've lost.

910
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:34,279
Speaker 1: So many people who I considered important to me in

911
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 1: such a short amount of time. The whole situation also

912
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,200
Speaker 1: made me question other people.

913
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:42,680
Speaker 3: Like my dad a whole lot.

914
00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 1: And there were so many people in my life throughout

915
00:46:45,320 --> 00:46:48,759
Speaker 1: all the years and nobody said anything. Why did my

916
00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:52,400
Speaker 1: grandparents step in, or my aunt or family friends. I

917
00:46:52,440 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 1: can't imagine that they didn't know about any of it,

918
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: But then again I didn't either.

919
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 3: You were also a child, So I'll give you a

920
00:46:59,320 --> 00:46:59,799
Speaker 3: little bit of her.

921
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, catch your break there.

922
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 3: Catch your break. Yeah.

923
00:47:04,400 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: I also have no idea why I never noticed that

924
00:47:06,800 --> 00:47:09,560
Speaker 1: my mom held some sort of resentment towards me. Shouldn't

925
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:11,839
Speaker 1: I have noticed? I mean, I've been living with her

926
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 1: under one roof for eighteen years, yet I never noticed

927
00:47:14,840 --> 00:47:18,959
Speaker 1: that I should imagine that she actually doesn't like me. Also, yes,

928
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:23,160
Speaker 1: Reddit has become my new diary. Loll and we got

929
00:47:23,200 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: some real other comments.

930
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:32,520
Speaker 2: Lean on your husband, Lean on your husband and your

931
00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 2: good mother in law in this time of chaos and

932
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:37,440
Speaker 2: strife within your own family, Like.

933
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: Clearly build a new circle of people. Who are you

934
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:46,480
Speaker 1: know what, I bet Dave's mutuals. Maybe mom knows.

935
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 3: I know there's the age difference, but like, I don't know,

936
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 3: go go close, build a circle.

937
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:54,840
Speaker 2: Like in the this is yeah, just a huge, hot,

938
00:47:55,080 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 2: flaming mess. And now it's like that the dad is

939
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,319
Speaker 2: being called in a question because it's like, okay, Dad,

940
00:47:59,360 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 2: you knew that mom hated me my whole life and

941
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:04,880
Speaker 2: you'd never said anything. That's gonna make me raise an

942
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 2: eyebrow too. Once the truth comes out, I'm gonna be like, yeah,

943
00:48:08,000 --> 00:48:10,560
Speaker 2: who in You were not thinking of your You were

944
00:48:10,600 --> 00:48:12,320
Speaker 2: not thinking of me, You were thinking of yourself.

945
00:48:12,719 --> 00:48:14,200
Speaker 3: I'm gonna say that. That's my take.

946
00:48:14,520 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 2: You didn't want to have the hard because that's a

947
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 2: hard conversation, but she deserves to know. Hey, you're dynamic

948
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,279
Speaker 2: with your Mom's gonna be funny because she has all

949
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 2: this unresolved stuff that's causing her to feel these negative

950
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 2: things about you. And make it clear this is not

951
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 2: your fault. Yes, your mother has her own issues. Yep,

952
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:39,399
Speaker 2: these are outside of you. And so I just want

953
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 2: to let you know this because it's undoubtedly going to

954
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,120
Speaker 2: infect you, like how it is right now in this story.

955
00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 1: Also age appropriate, like could throughout the journey? Was there

956
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 1: maybe a way of telling her in.

957
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 3: An age appropriate way?

958
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 1: Or or we do the same thing that we do

959
00:48:58,440 --> 00:49:02,240
Speaker 1: when you're a third part already catching someone cheating, which

960
00:49:02,480 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: is you tell her or I will true, right, But

961
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,800
Speaker 1: I don't think it's it's hard to compare those contexts.

962
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,359
Speaker 3: It's not it's not really the same. I think.

963
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,840
Speaker 2: I think in my head it's like you try to

964
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,800
Speaker 2: work through that issue together as like husband and wife

965
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:23,880
Speaker 2: or as whatever, as partners, you try to work through this,

966
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:30,200
Speaker 2: and if she cannot overcome these thoughts or has no

967
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 2: desire to or yeah, then I think it's like, all right,

968
00:49:34,760 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 2: well I can't. I can't logically still be with someone

969
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:40,040
Speaker 2: who hates my daughter.

970
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and and the chances of her going from oh yeah,

971
00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,399
Speaker 1: I hate my daughter, I wish it was this other

972
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:51,080
Speaker 1: chick Mary to you know what I said that about

973
00:49:51,120 --> 00:49:54,399
Speaker 1: you and I was wrong, and you.

974
00:49:54,360 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 3: Know, yeah, good luck convincing me of that.

975
00:49:56,239 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 2: After Mary was kept around like a second daughter my

976
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 2: whole upbringing. Ooh, that's the crazy part is it's like,

977
00:50:02,560 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 2: not only is She's like, Hey, I wish Mary was

978
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 2: my daughter, but it's like, Yo.

979
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 3: She was low KEI she was? You raised her like one. Ah,

980
00:50:09,520 --> 00:50:11,400
Speaker 3: just gross. This is so terrific.

981
00:50:11,680 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: We can logically say that that's just fricking messed up. Yes,

982
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:18,160
Speaker 1: it's not good, messed up pretty bad, But we have

983
00:50:18,200 --> 00:50:19,919
Speaker 1: some relevant comments coming.

984
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:20,399
Speaker 3: Number one.

985
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 1: Yikes, sounds like the real issue is your mom trauma

986
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:26,440
Speaker 1: dumping to anyone that will listen, interjecting herself into areas

987
00:50:26,440 --> 00:50:28,839
Speaker 1: of your life. She has no right to be in

988
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:32,799
Speaker 1: and blaming you for decisions only she can make. It's

989
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:35,560
Speaker 1: good to hold doubts if you've only heard one side

990
00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: of the story. Have you confronted Mary about these allegations.

991
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,080
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm just half asleep or it's

992
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: not written in the description, but sounds like everything about

993
00:50:45,239 --> 00:50:48,760
Speaker 1: your mom and Mary may have been delayed by your dad.

994
00:50:49,320 --> 00:50:52,319
Speaker 1: Verify your intel, don't just take his word for it.

995
00:50:53,680 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: Can you ask your mother in law if she can

996
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 1: if she had a call from your mother, Have you

997
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:02,239
Speaker 1: spoken to day o p response.

998
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,000
Speaker 3: I didn't. I didn't talk to Mary to confirm it.

999
00:51:05,160 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: However, my mom was the one who brought up that

1000
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:12,040
Speaker 1: Mary told her that Dave was cheating. My mother in

1001
00:51:12,120 --> 00:51:14,640
Speaker 1: law called us and said that my mom called her.

1002
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:18,760
Speaker 1: And yes, I've talked to Dave. He knows everything that's

1003
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 1: going on. And there's an update number three un poco update.

1004
00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:28,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what it says. Oh we small update, A

1005
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:30,800
Speaker 3: small update, small update.

1006
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:35,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, we're getting to the close. It's close to the

1007
00:51:35,120 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: end of the saga. Do we go no contact on

1008
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:39,759
Speaker 1: mom right now?

1009
00:51:39,840 --> 00:51:43,200
Speaker 2: Yes, no no contact. I think I don't know. I

1010
00:51:43,239 --> 00:51:48,520
Speaker 2: just can't. Personally, Uh, I can't. I don't think hearing

1011
00:51:48,560 --> 00:51:52,720
Speaker 2: the sentence, I wish this other person was my daughter,

1012
00:51:54,040 --> 00:51:57,920
Speaker 2: who's like also not just like another person, like a

1013
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 2: person who's actively, like at this.

1014
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 3: Point, been revealed to be my enemy. Like yeah, I'd

1015
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:05,799
Speaker 3: be like.

1016
00:52:05,800 --> 00:52:08,799
Speaker 2: All right, well, I'll do you the favor and I'll

1017
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,600
Speaker 2: make it so that you don't ever have to have.

1018
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:15,760
Speaker 1: Me in your life anymore, not to Uh, it's still

1019
00:52:16,120 --> 00:52:18,600
Speaker 1: horrendous either way you slice or dice it. But I

1020
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:22,719
Speaker 1: believe the quote of uh, I sometimes wish Mary was

1021
00:52:22,760 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: my daughter was from when they were like growing up

1022
00:52:25,280 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 1: as kids, and she didn't say that recently, but still

1023
00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: saying that about your freaking child, you know, especially a

1024
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:35,280
Speaker 1: younger child.

1025
00:52:35,320 --> 00:52:37,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. I was about to say that actually makes it worse.

1026
00:52:37,480 --> 00:52:39,719
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh my god.

1027
00:52:39,800 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 2: And then like probably like having the Epiphanye, like it

1028
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 2: hits you when you're like thing like you're like twenty

1029
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 2: twenty one and you're like.

1030
00:52:46,640 --> 00:52:47,440
Speaker 3: Oh my god.

1031
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: My mom said that she wish I wasn't her daughter,

1032
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:52,440
Speaker 1: and that is exactly what opens happening.

1033
00:52:52,719 --> 00:52:56,800
Speaker 2: Whoa and she wishes it was the other girl who's

1034
00:52:56,880 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 2: like actively trying to ruin my.

1035
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:03,359
Speaker 3: Life by getting me to split with my fiance and

1036
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 3: lie to me and tell me he's geting with me.

1037
00:53:05,280 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 3: I'm the daughter with a friend, but you want my

1038
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:12,959
Speaker 3: friend is your daughter? Mom? No, no, no, no, no no.

1039
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:17,160
Speaker 1: But we're gonna get into update number three.

1040
00:53:17,520 --> 00:53:22,279
Speaker 3: Do we predict? Oh? I predict? I'm trying to see

1041
00:53:22,280 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 3: what we I predict? Oh I predict? Me with it?

1042
00:53:27,280 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 3: Mom and dad gone done? Yes.

1043
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 2: When I think about it, the more I'm upset at

1044
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:40,040
Speaker 2: the dad too. Yeah, yeah, I can't imagine it.

1045
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:42,200
Speaker 3: He might have. I think it was just to start

1046
00:53:42,200 --> 00:53:43,120
Speaker 3: of the conversations.

1047
00:53:43,239 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: It's possible that he did defend her more than of

1048
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:49,279
Speaker 1: what we've read so far, But if it seems like

1049
00:53:49,360 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 1: he basically didn't defend her that much and generally op

1050
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:55,839
Speaker 1: he was like, I didn't see. He never really stands

1051
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:57,560
Speaker 1: stood up for himself. That leads me to believe he

1052
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:58,360
Speaker 1: didn't stand.

1053
00:53:58,200 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 3: Up to her.

1054
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 1: But let's see, maybe we're wrong. Update number three. This

1055
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:05,920
Speaker 1: is just gonna be a small update since not much

1056
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,120
Speaker 1: has happened, but I still want to share this because

1057
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: I think it's quite ironic. It's also pretty late, and

1058
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:13,120
Speaker 1: I'm staying at a hotel right now, so sorry if

1059
00:54:13,120 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: some stuff doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I

1060
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:19,520
Speaker 1: just had a gig tonight with Mary's ex boyfriend, yes

1061
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:26,040
Speaker 1: ex boyfriend, Juli, Yes, who showed up after the show. Yes,

1062
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 1: ex boyfriend. He came up to me and told me

1063
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 1: that he broke up with her this morning. He then

1064
00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 1: got free drinks for the rest of the night, and

1065
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:34,840
Speaker 1: we had an amazing.

1066
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:37,640
Speaker 3: Time at the after party. Loull, I've already mentioned this

1067
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 3: in the comments, but I've told multiple I've told mutual.

1068
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,760
Speaker 1: Friends who asked, not those who attacked me, what really

1069
00:54:44,800 --> 00:54:46,160
Speaker 1: went down between Mary and me.

1070
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 3: I guess they've told other mutual.

1071
00:54:48,320 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: Friends and it got around Julian. He asked me if

1072
00:54:51,640 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: her story is true, and Mary apparently got really defensive

1073
00:54:55,719 --> 00:54:58,280
Speaker 1: and after some back and forth, so she called him

1074
00:54:58,320 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 1: an option that she's keeping around until Dave's single or

1075
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 1: she finds someone better.

1076
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 2: Is this person like does does her brain not connect

1077
00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:12,440
Speaker 2: properly to her mouth and stuff?

1078
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 3: Like it's broken?

1079
00:55:13,840 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 2: She's like, yeah, I want you to break up with

1080
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:19,400
Speaker 2: your white friend because he's better than mine.

1081
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 3: And then you tell your boyfriend.

1082
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,680
Speaker 2: Nah, I'm just keeping you around until Dave's available.

1083
00:55:26,120 --> 00:55:29,240
Speaker 3: Be like, okay, bye, Like what are we talking about here.

1084
00:55:29,160 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 2: Dude, I stop seeing a girl because she said I

1085
00:55:31,920 --> 00:55:34,279
Speaker 2: think I'll keep you around like I was like a

1086
00:55:34,280 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 2: little trinket.

1087
00:55:36,000 --> 00:55:38,240
Speaker 3: And that's when I was like, oh that's what you think. Okay, goodbye?

1088
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:43,240
Speaker 3: Like I say that full with your.

1089
00:55:43,160 --> 00:55:47,319
Speaker 1: Chest, with your chest, Oh yeah, I'm just for now

1090
00:55:47,440 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: until Dave's available, and then what did you expect?

1091
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 3: And then I'll slide on in. It's all my milky goodness?

1092
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:58,239
Speaker 3: Did you say say that with the milkers? Who said that?

1093
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 3: That's said that?

1094
00:56:01,200 --> 00:56:04,680
Speaker 1: Say it with you, milker, Say it with your milker.

1095
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:08,760
Speaker 3: Come on, squeeze the truth out of those bad boys.

1096
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:10,319
Speaker 3: Come on now.

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00:56:10,840 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: So he dumped her right there, and then who Mary

1098
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,439
Speaker 1: must have spiraled after that because she texted me over

1099
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: a new Instagram account that I've ruined her life?

1100
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, what did she possess you and say that

1101
00:56:23,080 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 2: to your boyfriend?

1102
00:56:24,120 --> 00:56:25,600
Speaker 3: Right? Are you idiot?

1103
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,080
Speaker 1: I don't believe in karma, but this honestly made my day.

1104
00:56:29,480 --> 00:56:31,560
Speaker 1: By the way, if you want to have your day

1105
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 1: made every single day, what can they do?

1106
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:41,200
Speaker 2: All you have to do is go to Spotify and

1107
00:56:41,520 --> 00:56:46,839
Speaker 2: Apple Podcasts or any podcast platform that you use an

1108
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 2: swerch okay story time and they find full episodes with

1109
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:58,520
Speaker 2: stories like this one two thousand episodes, eight trillion hours verified.

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00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,800
Speaker 3: It's a true number. So yeah, can you listen to

1111
00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:04,080
Speaker 3: you to your heart's content? Even if we're not live

1112
00:57:04,120 --> 00:57:05,120
Speaker 3: at the moment, you know.

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00:57:06,800 --> 00:57:10,319
Speaker 1: It'll be there. But Dakota, we are close to the

1114
00:57:10,400 --> 00:57:13,799
Speaker 1: end of the saga here. We are close to the

1115
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:21,200
Speaker 1: end of the saga here, and I I think I'm

1116
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: feeling good about the path that we're on. We are

1117
00:57:24,480 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: basically by default, cutting out all of the people from

1118
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,479
Speaker 1: our life that we need to be aka everyone who's

1119
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:32,240
Speaker 1: on Mary's side, including of course Mary.

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00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:36,240
Speaker 3: Yes, we are learning the truth about Mom.

1121
00:57:36,520 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 1: We are even learning the truth about Dad getting into

1122
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:43,560
Speaker 1: you know, with a clearer picture, we will see how

1123
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: involved we want to be with them. You know, Mom,

1124
00:57:46,920 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 1: maybe nothing, and then Dad maybe something.

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00:57:50,400 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 3: I think Dad can go to the moon. Dad can

1126
00:57:52,520 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 3: go to the moon. Realize like, was I being a

1127
00:57:57,280 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 3: weak man? Was I being a coward?

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00:57:59,200 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 2: Yeah?

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00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:02,680
Speaker 1: I say maybe say uh like like op, like, hey,

1130
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: you know I'm I'm hurt that you didn't defend me more.

1131
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 1: And you know, I want I want to have someone

1132
00:58:08,720 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 1: in my corner like like, clearly Mom isn't so, but

1133
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 1: could you you know, maybe put it, put it on

1134
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:19,000
Speaker 1: an effort and and and and give me that uh.

1135
00:58:18,720 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 3: That promise that And I just see like the two

1136
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:22,440
Speaker 3: different like.

1137
00:58:24,080 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 2: Sides of the coin of his decisions, which is like

1138
00:58:27,520 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 2: you do what he did, which ends up here right.

1139
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,560
Speaker 2: And now Mary's in like or you know, her early

1140
00:58:32,600 --> 00:58:35,920
Speaker 2: twenties being like, oh my mom doesn't even like me.

1141
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 2: Oh oh my mom like actively prefers this other person

1142
00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:45,520
Speaker 2: who is also my enemy now clearly instead of me

1143
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 2: cool and has openly been like I wish that she

1144
00:58:49,160 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 2: wasn't my.

1145
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:51,520
Speaker 3: Daughter and blah blah blah blah blah blah.

1146
00:58:51,560 --> 00:58:56,000
Speaker 2: And it's like for as the husband, as the the dad,

1147
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:59,120
Speaker 2: and a husband. It's like, I think that's the moment

1148
00:58:59,120 --> 00:59:01,160
Speaker 2: where you're like, I can do this, and if you

1149
00:59:01,440 --> 00:59:04,919
Speaker 2: don't want your daughter, I'm gonna go find a woman

1150
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 2: who does appreciate her, and I'm not gonna have her

1151
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 2: raised in an environment where she's gonna not.

1152
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 3: I have them. I would rather her not have a mother.

1153
00:59:15,960 --> 00:59:20,600
Speaker 2: Who nothing's her, rather than have her be around this momb.

1154
00:59:20,520 --> 00:59:25,640
Speaker 3: Who like secretly feels like she wished she didn't have her.

1155
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:29,040
Speaker 1: Absolutely, if he had divorced, what he would have been

1156
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:32,160
Speaker 1: able to control, at least more than is what happened,

1157
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:36,440
Speaker 1: is having Mary and Mary's mom involved and spreading their

1158
00:59:36,440 --> 00:59:40,080
Speaker 1: toxicity for years. Like o Be said, this wasn't the

1159
00:59:40,080 --> 00:59:42,200
Speaker 1: first time. This has been happening her whole life, ever

1160
00:59:42,240 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 1: since you known Mary. So she would have saved all

1161
00:59:44,720 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: You would have saved your daughter all of that heartache. Yep,

1162
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:51,480
Speaker 1: you know by making some moves now, you know, is

1163
00:59:51,520 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 1: it hard? You know, let's say the kids are like

1164
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:56,160
Speaker 1: eleven years old, right, it's hard to take you away

1165
00:59:56,160 --> 00:59:58,840
Speaker 1: from the best friend and you know everything else. But hey,

1166
00:59:58,920 --> 01:00:01,200
Speaker 1: you could cut out Mary's you know, she you know,

1167
01:00:01,280 --> 01:00:06,320
Speaker 1: she's a negative influence. You could maybe redirect and be like, hey,

1168
01:00:06,600 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 1: let me get you in some other let me get

1169
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 1: you back in gymnastics that you like, and let me,

1170
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 1: you know, introduce you to other friends that Mary, and

1171
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:15,680
Speaker 1: then maybe OPI would like, you know, naturally gravitate towards

1172
01:00:15,680 --> 01:00:18,120
Speaker 1: that without having the like you're taking my best friend away.

1173
01:00:18,200 --> 01:00:19,520
Speaker 3: I don't know something.

1174
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:21,840
Speaker 2: I just feel like maybe he was a little absent,

1175
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:24,480
Speaker 2: you know what I mean, Like could be because it's like,

1176
01:00:24,520 --> 01:00:27,320
Speaker 2: where is Where's the parents having any conversations when she's like,

1177
01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,240
Speaker 2: I'm gonna I'm quitting gymnastics. There's no conversation about that.

1178
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:32,240
Speaker 2: There's no getting to the truth of that. They are

1179
01:00:32,240 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 2: not aware that it's just Mary telling her to quit.

1180
01:00:35,640 --> 01:00:37,520
Speaker 1: So true, I bet if they had, if they had

1181
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: sat her down, they would they would know. Yeah, eight

1182
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 1: points to go to great points. But let's get into

1183
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: this final part of the saga. Also, I have called

1184
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:51,480
Speaker 1: my grandparents and they didn't know how my mom really

1185
01:00:51,480 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: felt about me, which honestly puts my mind at ease

1186
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 1: a bit. At least I wasn't the only one being abilivious.

1187
01:00:57,280 --> 01:00:59,640
Speaker 1: I guess she did a really good job at hiding

1188
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:03,560
Speaker 1: her sentiments for my parents. I've decided to go low

1189
01:01:03,640 --> 01:01:07,200
Speaker 1: contact okay with my mom and keep in touch with

1190
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:10,080
Speaker 1: my dad. He's not going to divorce her anytime soon

1191
01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 1: for several reasons. I'm also still on the fence on

1192
01:01:13,160 --> 01:01:15,919
Speaker 1: whether or not to cut ties with my mom completely

1193
01:01:16,240 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 1: or not. Well, many people in the comments mentioned that

1194
01:01:19,840 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 1: they're not in contact with their families anymore.

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01:01:22,000 --> 01:01:24,880
Speaker 3: I don't feel ready quote unquote for that just yet.

1196
01:01:25,400 --> 01:01:27,440
Speaker 1: I wanted to have a conversation with my mom first,

1197
01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:30,080
Speaker 1: just so I can hear what I've been told by

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01:01:30,120 --> 01:01:31,360
Speaker 1: my dad straight from her.

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01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:33,080
Speaker 2: I do want to say really quick, because that was

1200
01:01:33,120 --> 01:01:34,680
Speaker 2: a good point where it's like a lot of people

1201
01:01:34,680 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 2: in the comments are like, I don't have any contact

1202
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 2: with my family, but it's like you can't sure. It's

1203
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:42,720
Speaker 2: like that gives you, like the validation of like, oh,

1204
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:46,720
Speaker 2: there are other people who have like experiences similar to

1205
01:01:46,760 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 2: this or have had to make decisions similar to this,

1206
01:01:49,520 --> 01:01:51,480
Speaker 2: But it's like you can't let the fact that other

1207
01:01:51,520 --> 01:01:55,640
Speaker 2: people have done it like determine what path you take,

1208
01:01:56,240 --> 01:02:00,880
Speaker 2: Like it's your your situation is completely like realive to you,

1209
01:02:01,000 --> 01:02:03,600
Speaker 2: Like not these people who are on the internet like

1210
01:02:03,760 --> 01:02:06,040
Speaker 2: telling you, oh, I call my parents, you could do

1211
01:02:06,080 --> 01:02:09,600
Speaker 2: that too. It's like, yeah, I mean, they're not wrong,

1212
01:02:09,680 --> 01:02:11,640
Speaker 2: but it's like you shouldn't just don't joke, don't just.

1213
01:02:11,600 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 3: Listen to people on the internet y for no reason.

1214
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 1: And as cliche as it is, every situation is different,

1215
01:02:17,280 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 1: and look at your situation. And you know what I think,

1216
01:02:21,000 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 1: especially being like twenty one years old, I think Opia

1217
01:02:23,160 --> 01:02:25,840
Speaker 1: is a really really good head on her shoulders.

1218
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 3: And it's really like, thinking about this in a really

1219
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:28,680
Speaker 3: good way.

1220
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 1: Right now, I don't want to have that conversation. Yeah,

1221
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:35,760
Speaker 1: I'm basically keeping her around for now. And some comments commented.

1222
01:02:35,840 --> 01:02:38,200
Speaker 1: Number one says, glad Karma has struck Mary.

1223
01:02:38,720 --> 01:02:42,840
Speaker 3: She destroyed your life, not you. Also, she destroyed her

1224
01:02:42,880 --> 01:02:45,640
Speaker 3: life because she was the one being like everyal in

1225
01:02:45,840 --> 01:02:46,640
Speaker 3: my life.

1226
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:49,840
Speaker 2: Now King Julian is going back to meda gust Car.

1227
01:02:50,160 --> 01:02:52,880
Speaker 3: That is true. Glad that Karma has struck Mary. She

1228
01:02:53,040 --> 01:02:54,760
Speaker 3: destroyed her life, not you.

1229
01:02:55,400 --> 01:02:58,400
Speaker 1: Also, I'm glad that now you have confirmation that she's

1230
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:02,120
Speaker 1: after your beloved, not for love, but for money.

1231
01:03:03,200 --> 01:03:07,760
Speaker 3: It comes the money about your mother.

1232
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,240
Speaker 1: That may be a bitter pill to swallow, but she

1233
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:14,320
Speaker 1: may prefer Mary and her family instead of you.

1234
01:03:14,800 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 3: I hope I'm.

1235
01:03:15,440 --> 01:03:17,920
Speaker 1: Wrong in this last part, but tough in your little heart,

1236
01:03:18,160 --> 01:03:21,880
Speaker 1: wishing you the best and take care, to which Opie replies,

1237
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 1: I think that my mom's more interested in Mary and

1238
01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 1: her family than her own family. Dang, yep, yep, But honestly,

1239
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:34,320
Speaker 1: I'm still a bit hopeful.

1240
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:38,760
Speaker 3: Comment to number two, Mary is dumb as a door knob. Oh, yeah,

1241
01:03:39,160 --> 01:03:40,440
Speaker 3: love that door nail?

1242
01:03:40,680 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 2: Oh, which don't exist? Shakespeare made that up. Dumb is

1243
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:45,880
Speaker 2: a doornail?

1244
01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:52,120
Speaker 3: Oh, nobody knows. Nobody knows what that means. As far

1245
01:03:52,120 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 3: as I know, I could be wrong, I guess right.

1246
01:03:55,800 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 1: But how obtuse and self centered can you be to

1247
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:02,880
Speaker 1: say that the boy To say that to the boyfriend

1248
01:04:02,960 --> 01:04:06,080
Speaker 1: out loud, even if you even if you do think

1249
01:04:06,080 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 1: about it and not expect a breakup? She ruined her

1250
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:12,480
Speaker 1: own life because you have the audacity to be manipulated

1251
01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 1: by her anymore. Again, she said to her boyfriend, I'm

1252
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:20,320
Speaker 1: just staying with you until either Opie's fiance or just

1253
01:04:20,440 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 1: someone better comes along. Why would you not break up

1254
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:26,200
Speaker 1: with someone who says that?

1255
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:31,520
Speaker 2: Were you like completely inebriated, Like what Mary?

1256
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:32,800
Speaker 3: You just say that?

1257
01:04:32,960 --> 01:04:38,200
Speaker 2: Are you just so like narcissistic that you didn't think

1258
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:40,800
Speaker 2: that he'd break up with you when you said that, La.

1259
01:04:40,880 --> 01:04:42,760
Speaker 3: Land, you think harder?

1260
01:04:44,240 --> 01:04:44,520
Speaker 2: Really?

1261
01:04:45,320 --> 01:04:46,400
Speaker 3: Come on, come on.

1262
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:49,960
Speaker 1: Opie replies to this, saying I don't understand why she

1263
01:04:50,000 --> 01:04:52,040
Speaker 1: stayed with him in the first place. I mean, being

1264
01:04:52,040 --> 01:04:54,280
Speaker 1: with someone you don't actually want to be with makes

1265
01:04:54,360 --> 01:04:58,520
Speaker 1: not only a relationship miserable, but also yourself. A great

1266
01:04:58,640 --> 01:05:01,760
Speaker 1: point much Ember three says, I think that Mary wants

1267
01:05:01,760 --> 01:05:03,440
Speaker 1: your life, not just finance.

1268
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 3: Maybe her mom was controlling and meant uh and mean

1269
01:05:06,480 --> 01:05:08,280
Speaker 3: to her as well. She just saw your.

1270
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 1: Mom treating you better and became jealous of you, and

1271
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:15,360
Speaker 1: it's spiraled. Opie said that could be possible. Her mother

1272
01:05:15,560 --> 01:05:18,320
Speaker 1: used to push her into certain directions a lot, forcing

1273
01:05:18,360 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 1: her into doing things that her mother loved as a

1274
01:05:20,640 --> 01:05:25,040
Speaker 1: child slish teenager, child slash teenager, but it never seemed

1275
01:05:25,280 --> 01:05:27,200
Speaker 1: like she didn't enjoy these things as well.

1276
01:05:27,480 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 3: I don't know for sure, though, Yeah, it goes.

1277
01:05:32,720 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 2: It's through the chain, through the change. Getta, what is

1278
01:05:36,560 --> 01:05:43,680
Speaker 2: a generational generational trauma passing down the ways? We don't

1279
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 2: want it to pass down? Yep, Riley, what do you

1280
01:05:48,480 --> 01:05:49,600
Speaker 2: think on minutes we're good?

1281
01:05:49,720 --> 01:05:51,880
Speaker 3: Yeah? Look seven, I think that's a good one.

1282
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:56,200
Speaker 1: Twenty seven, all right, ladies and gentlemen, that's not only

1283
01:05:56,280 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 1: the end of the story, but our entire members only stream.

1284
01:06:00,520 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 3: Until we read these.

1285
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:04,880
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1286
01:06:05,200 --> 01:06:07,600
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1287
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:09,720
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1288
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