Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic
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Speaker 3: Check out this interview with Houston's very own DJ Miers
Speaker 3: talks about how he got his name, Well, it's like
Speaker 3: leave Texas to make it in New York City, and
Speaker 3: how he found musical enlightenment. It's a QLs classic from
Speaker 3: March twenty second, twenty seventeen.
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Speaker 4: Roll Call Suprema Sun Sun Supremo, Ro Call Suprima Sun
Speaker 4: Sun Subpremo.
Speaker 2: Ro Quest Love not Quest Rock.
Speaker 5: Yeah, blob trot no stop, Yeah, no Court and vizots.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Suprema Supremo.
Speaker 2: Role Quante is here.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Check my sound shall niggas is folly straight up and down.
Speaker 6: Upbre Supremo, Roll Call, Supremo Supremo roll Call.
Speaker 2: I'm Sugar Steve.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I cannot lie. Yeah, I watched Primo. Yeah, make
Speaker 7: Devil's Pie, Supremo.
Speaker 4: Suck Supremo, roll Call, Supremo, Supremo.
Speaker 2: Role Callous Phil is here. Yeah. You know my Steves
Speaker 2: reuse my roll calls whenever I please.
Speaker 6: Supreme Suprema roll call, Suprema Supremo roll call.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, sitting yeah, motherfucking premiere. Yeah you know
Speaker 2: my steed Supremo roll call.
Speaker 8: My name is Supreme. Yeah, I am Suprema. Yeah I'm
Speaker 8: on the roll call. Yeah, not a casino.
Speaker 6: Suprema So Supreva roll call, Supremo Supremo, roll Suprema Son
Speaker 6: So Supremeo, roll call Suprema Son Supremo roll call.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 8: I wouldn't expecting that to.
Speaker 2: Hear me, is thish me.
Speaker 5: Now we should have just SUPREMEO. I was thinking that
Speaker 5: right as we started. That sound like Supreme Supreme take two.
Speaker 2: Nah nah nah, ladies and gentlemen.
Speaker 8: She looks mad because she didn't getting steezed, and he
Speaker 8: just seeded, come.
Speaker 9: On, very rarely happens if we'll hit the same one.
Speaker 9: I mean, I had two of my lines get stolen son.
Speaker 8: So I take her.
Speaker 5: See now you know, because I figured one of them
Speaker 5: Ransom is going to be part of that. Initially was
Speaker 5: going to use the violin straight over and then I
Speaker 5: was like, now let me go to the fucking robots. Well,
Speaker 5: ladies and temen, if you have not guessed, uh, this
Speaker 5: is going to be an instant fan out classic episode
Speaker 5: of Questlove Supreme. Uh. Without further ado, we have one
Speaker 5: of the greatest, most celebrated, most awesomest uh flag torch
Speaker 5: bearing members of of hip hop culture with us today,
Speaker 5: DJ Premier Ladier Jump. Okay, So I want to apologize
Speaker 5: in advance for the massive amounts of fanning out that
Speaker 5: we're going to do. I'm gonna try and keep the
Speaker 5: inside speaking and exactly the rabbit hole.
Speaker 2: Keep the rabbit hole now. Yeah, I won't go try
Speaker 2: to fall rabbit holes to stay out of that something place.
Speaker 8: And I have on a shirt that you you were
Speaker 8: one of the first ones to tell you.
Speaker 2: We're a fan of the n YGS.
Speaker 8: Yes, yeah, so I remember a long time ago, You're like,
Speaker 8: when are they coming out?
Speaker 2: Yes, so they're about to come out.
Speaker 8: Yeah, shot the pans and shot binos. So I'll make
Speaker 8: sure I get you in advanced copy of it's coming
Speaker 8: out to Yeah. Yeah, I'm mixing now. I produced the
Speaker 8: whole thing and straight New York sounding gutter raw lyrics.
Speaker 8: You know, from the perspective of the true adult streets.
Speaker 10: You know, I would expecting relate to I see, Yeah,
Speaker 10: my first time meeting you was at a New York
Speaker 10: m I g show that Uh we were factory.
Speaker 2: Factory.
Speaker 10: Two thousand and two, we did an LB show and
Speaker 10: it was as asked, my first time meeting you in Guru,
Speaker 10: h rest in peace. We Uh we did a first
Speaker 10: joint we did like our first little showcase. It was
Speaker 10: it was little Brother not.
Speaker 11: And uh Frank supposed to Frank they were doing, uh,
Speaker 11: they were doing take them clothes off, but it was
Speaker 11: people in the crowd saying take them coats off.
Speaker 8: And I was like, I remember that that was the
Speaker 8: original knitting factory before they moved.
Speaker 2: They moved, they moved to.
Speaker 8: Williamsburg and I met bringing back upstairs.
Speaker 2: I was like, yo, it was a friend. I was like, man,
Speaker 2: what's up? His first thing to me? Yo? Yo? So
Speaker 2: I only did two records in my life. You know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying.
Speaker 10: I did two records, did two records in my life,
Speaker 10: and Guru was there and it was crazy, Like god,
Speaker 10: it was long ago.
Speaker 2: Okay, So what I always wanted to know, I mean,
Speaker 2: you're so New York.
Speaker 5: And Gang Star was such the consummate New York group,
Speaker 5: Yet you guys didn't start from New York City.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 8: He started from Boston and I started from Texas. For me,
Speaker 8: it was my mom is an art teacher and she
Speaker 8: just had so many records in the house. You know,
Speaker 8: the rules were, don't touch the top of the record,
Speaker 8: only all the edges, or you get a we we
Speaker 8: call it a whooping, not a spanking, a whooping. I
Speaker 8: touched the top because I just wanted to see what
Speaker 8: is touch on the top? Do? She goes you got
Speaker 8: your fingerprints on your dumb motherfuckers like and then I
Speaker 8: mean I got plenty of whippings because you know, I
Speaker 8: looked at records as a toy, because the labels was
Speaker 8: what attracted me. The way they looked when they spun.
Speaker 8: I was really attracted to the labels. You know, it's like, wow, Motown,
Speaker 8: the way it looked in tamlawn versus.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like the blue versus the yellow in the yellow
Speaker 2: in the brown.
Speaker 5: Harry Winer once at Universal explained to me that because
Speaker 5: Motown used eighteen different factories across the United States to
Speaker 5: print it, like they didn't do their own pressing, it
Speaker 5: was never consistent. So the ink would be consistent. So
Speaker 5: you would have some Motown print that had a very
Speaker 5: dark queue to it, and then you had a lighter motel.
Speaker 5: But sometimes even the Tamala would be a very dark
Speaker 5: label versus a light one, like it would just guardy.
Speaker 5: It would depend on you know what pressing plant used.
Speaker 8: Yeah, but the labels always fascinated me, just the way
Speaker 8: it look when it's fun. And then on top of that,
Speaker 8: you know you had semi not semi auto. You know,
Speaker 8: they went to semi automatics, but it little almost like
Speaker 8: a gun. But they even fully automatic turntables, which at
Speaker 8: that time my mother called it a record player and
Speaker 8: not a turntable. So seeing her stack the spindle with
Speaker 8: it looks like a bottle rocket or whatever. And stacked
Speaker 8: that and then put five forty fives on there and
Speaker 8: look the arm holder and then the arm goes up, touches,
Speaker 8: it goes back, the record drops in it.
Speaker 2: I'm like, how does it know to land there? Like?
Speaker 2: You know, so I took her.
Speaker 8: Apart, which got me. That gets you because I wanted
Speaker 8: to see the mechanics of what's making it do that
Speaker 8: and you know where to land. And then on top
Speaker 8: of it, when you put a twelve you know, an album,
Speaker 8: it knew to start at the album where It's like,
Speaker 8: how does it no go here on the forty five?
Speaker 8: Goes all the way Insigne lands right on the dank.
Speaker 2: I was in the juke boxes too.
Speaker 8: I would just stay at the jukebox because almost any
Speaker 8: restaurant back then had a juke box, and I would
Speaker 8: just stare at and watch it shuffle the records, and
Speaker 8: then you know, like that, that's why he's like happy
Speaker 8: Days because I don't.
Speaker 2: I do not feel happy Days. Would you?
Speaker 5: Would you rotate records without even listening to it, just
Speaker 5: see what it looked like? Were you biased against labels
Speaker 5: that you didn't like copy wise, even if it had
Speaker 5: good music?
Speaker 2: How did you judge it on the label?
Speaker 8: The judges on the label like I do now Like
Speaker 8: I never like Capital, so.
Speaker 2: It took me a long time, like especially old.
Speaker 8: Purple Orange like Nat King cole Cat with a rainbow around.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's why I never touched my dad's Capital record
Speaker 5: right wrong to get in the Beatles and beach boys
Speaker 5: like you the best label? Who was the like the
Speaker 5: one I used? Like scary labels used to scare me.
Speaker 2: I never like Buddha, yeah, with the little man at
Speaker 2: the bottom, like Kurd time curtains.
Speaker 5: But here's the thing you like Kurt Time. Yeah, I scared, literally,
Speaker 5: I would never to listen to if there's hell below,
Speaker 5: We're all gonna go with all that psychedelic echo effect
Speaker 5: to it in the dark as a three year old
Speaker 5: watching that Kurt Time label and nah, but I'd be
Speaker 5: obsessed with it, like make them put it on.
Speaker 2: Then I run upstairs and hide on the cover.
Speaker 8: I hit under the covers when Jaws came out because
Speaker 8: I thought the shot could come in and I'm like,
Speaker 8: and if you think about the shot, can't swim without water.
Speaker 8: But I just remember going to see Jaws with my
Speaker 8: family and just that tooomdoommmmmm. I was so scared of
Speaker 8: staying by myself, you know, my my parents let us
Speaker 8: stay by myself at a young age because it's just
Speaker 8: like that in the South, you know, you know, you
Speaker 8: leave your door unlocked and people just walk in, you know,
Speaker 8: like I'm from that, Like, hey, your thatt home, it's
Speaker 8: not you know, unchained five. I learned that when I
Speaker 8: came to New York and my mom's from Baltimore. So
Speaker 8: even when we used to stay at my grandmother's house,
Speaker 8: same thing. They had all these like all these locks
Speaker 8: and you're just.
Speaker 2: Like, damn, you know, what's the you know.
Speaker 8: But then you see the corner store right outside the
Speaker 8: house where everybody's fighting and screaming and breaking glass, and I'm.
Speaker 2: Like, oh, I want to go back to Texas.
Speaker 12: You know.
Speaker 8: And then you get to the teenage age where it's like.
Speaker 2: Yo, I love all this violence stuff, you know, And
Speaker 2: that's when the changes started. The change started to come.
Speaker 2: Your father, your father, he was a professor at Prairier Review. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: and he was my dean.
Speaker 8: Imagine that.
Speaker 2: So you went for free?
Speaker 11: No?
Speaker 2: What? Well? I mean yeah, he paid for it. What
Speaker 2: was your major?
Speaker 8: Computer science? But none of those languages exist, you know.
Speaker 8: I took for tran and basic.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Now you can't get your receipt back.
Speaker 5: So wait, if if the if the turntable was such
Speaker 5: a sacred holy ground in your household? What happened the
Speaker 5: very first time you ever heard the Adventures of Grand
Speaker 5: Master Flash on the Wheels are still? Did you hear
Speaker 5: it as a youngster in in Texas?
Speaker 2: No, I was.
Speaker 8: I was going back and forth. Yeah, but I was
Speaker 8: going back and forth because my grandfather.
Speaker 2: Lived in Brooklyn.
Speaker 8: That's how the first Brooklyn connection happened because he still
Speaker 8: he lived in Brooklyn, so being staying with him, he
Speaker 8: and I used to always go to a I was
Speaker 8: really in the in the pinball games heavy as a kid,
Speaker 8: so he's always take me to Playland and Tom Square and.
Speaker 2: Then we always go to a Yankee game.
Speaker 8: So I was so used to going to baseball games
Speaker 8: with him, and so I got into baseball. I played
Speaker 8: that played when I was young, and he's the one
Speaker 8: that got me into that. And then he used to
Speaker 8: tour with his band and he played trombone, trumpet, guitar
Speaker 8: and upright bass. So he used to always show me
Speaker 8: all the pictures like, yeah, this is when I was
Speaker 8: in Germany, this is when I was here, just when
Speaker 8: I was there. And I remember his wife, Rooney, God
Speaker 8: bless her. She's always going, oh, Bill, there you go.
Speaker 8: He loves a brag about all the places he's been.
Speaker 8: But for me, it was like, wow, all this music
Speaker 8: took you all these places, you know, so I wanted
Speaker 8: to do that same thing.
Speaker 2: See yeah, but so so it wasn't like you scratched
Speaker 2: on the home term table and nah, not then.
Speaker 8: But by the time scratching came out, I just was
Speaker 8: wanted to figure out how are they able to bring
Speaker 8: it back like that? And then my homie who was
Speaker 8: still a friend of mine, RP.
Speaker 2: Cohler.
Speaker 8: His name is Randy Pettis. He went to my college.
Speaker 8: So I didn't really understand the scratching aspect as far
Speaker 8: as how they're making the record come back until like
Speaker 8: nineteen eighty five, when when eighty four, I'm sorry eighty
Speaker 8: four when I was in college. Use I graduated high
Speaker 8: school in eighty four. My my freshman year in college,
Speaker 8: I went. I went to summer school just so I
Speaker 8: just wanted to be in college so bad, because you know,
Speaker 8: just to get away hang out with all the people.
Speaker 8: And we don't we only live five minutes from the college,
Speaker 8: but it's still a different way when you're on Now
Speaker 8: I'm on the dorms and with the boys, we're drinking,
Speaker 8: we're doing all the stuff and that that you want
Speaker 8: to do away from your parents, and and uh, I
Speaker 8: just remember, man, he was scratching and and he had
Speaker 8: these felt pads on there, and I was like, Yo,
Speaker 8: how are you doing that?
Speaker 2: And and he was like, I'll show you.
Speaker 8: He's like, come to my dorm. And I went to
Speaker 8: this dorm he showed me how to cut on his
Speaker 8: old big Gemini. It was a big gym, not mixer.
Speaker 8: It was silver with wood on the side. That's all
Speaker 8: I remember, the big silver damn. He had to run
Speaker 8: to get the cross fader, you know. And he was
Speaker 8: and the way, the way, the way the dorms were
Speaker 8: set up shot the Holly Hall that.
Speaker 2: Was that was the dorm of all the wildness.
Speaker 8: He the way he had to set up. He had
Speaker 8: two on the right because he couldn't.
Speaker 2: He couldn't. He couldn't do nothing right because well he
Speaker 2: couldn't left and right.
Speaker 8: But only when he was doing the gigs at his whole,
Speaker 8: at his dorm, he would set him up on the right. So,
Speaker 8: being I got so used to learning it that way,
Speaker 8: I just stuck with that way I could. You know,
Speaker 8: I got better now where you have to cross over
Speaker 8: and everything. But now I don't want him that way,
Speaker 8: but if it's set up that way, I'm still nice
Speaker 8: to do it with him on the right or And
Speaker 8: then the second thing that led me just keeping on
Speaker 8: the right was when Malcolm Claren and the world famous
Speaker 8: Supreme Team came out with the album d Like Scratching.
Speaker 2: You see the turntables together.
Speaker 8: Yeah, the turntables together on the cover and the mixer
Speaker 8: is a g l I mixer in the front. So
Speaker 8: I was like, I want to do that, but I'm
Speaker 8: just gonna move him back over like the way RP
Speaker 8: talk me.
Speaker 2: First time I saw you cut that was that was
Speaker 2: what you had. You had him on the right. See,
Speaker 2: I've been told that was called Philly style.
Speaker 5: I don't know if I can claim that now. So
Speaker 5: it's like cash money. Was he cutting like that? I
Speaker 5: don't know, Like just every Philly DJ. Jeff's the first
Speaker 5: guy I ever see cut normal with left and right turntables,
Speaker 5: But most Philly DJs that I've known always have the
Speaker 5: turntables to the left and the mixture to the right.
Speaker 5: Because that's that's how I learned. Even it even further,
Speaker 5: uh uh got validated. I once saw whoever tone Luke's
Speaker 5: DJ was?
Speaker 2: We need How do you know? How do you know.
Speaker 8: Remember?
Speaker 2: How do you know that?
Speaker 5: I don't know how I remember that, but I think
Speaker 5: he shouted him out in a song or something.
Speaker 2: But you pulled that out way too fast? Is there
Speaker 2: anything you know? No, No, it's flitty.
Speaker 8: That's why that's why he's part of the breaks.
Speaker 2: God damn.
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, like I was doing it Battle Philly uh
Speaker 5: style with on the side. I never saw that either
Speaker 5: with the turntable twelve o'clock. So then I was like, okay,
Speaker 5: that's how you're supposed to do it. So is that
Speaker 5: when you became like when you talking about wax Master C.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I just wanted to have a name, and uh,
Speaker 8: you know, first I was DJ Chris, you know, and
Speaker 8: then uh wax Master Ccuse. I was like, damn, everybody's
Speaker 8: jam Master grand Master and no one's wax Master. And
Speaker 8: right when I claim that name, wax Master Tory came
Speaker 8: out on B Boy Records and the fact it was
Speaker 8: on B Boy Records with KRS with you with Criminal
Speaker 8: Minded and all that I was, and uh, you know
Speaker 8: KG the all from the from the Cold Crush, and
Speaker 8: I was like, damn, man, this is good.
Speaker 2: This dude's gonna blow him.
Speaker 13: Now.
Speaker 8: I can't use that one, you know. But he was
Speaker 8: a DJ but but just wax Master Toy. It was
Speaker 8: like damn, but I kept it. And then when when
Speaker 8: I joined Gang Star, Stu Fine, who was the owner
Speaker 8: of a Wild Picture was a husband wife owned label.
Speaker 8: Stu Fine was like I really don't like your name.
Speaker 8: And I was like, man, what's wrong. He said, it
Speaker 8: just doesn't catch. It just doesn't catch. Why don't you
Speaker 8: see if you can come up with a new name.
Speaker 8: And I was like, well, let me, let me get
Speaker 8: back to you. And I had gone back to Texas
Speaker 8: to go to school.
Speaker 2: So I just made a list.
Speaker 8: And you know, I remember, I remember DJ scratching cut
Speaker 8: I had h DJ uh turn turn around. I know,
Speaker 8: I'm sorry, turn around names in our in our back,
Speaker 8: I had mixing Scratch. Premiere was one of the my
Speaker 8: you know, I made a little list. And my mom
Speaker 8: always keeps these yellow tablets you know, around the house,
Speaker 8: which I took dad, yeah to this very day. I
Speaker 8: keep them as well because I got something one of
Speaker 8: my back that broke with me. Uh, it's just a thing.
Speaker 8: So I wrote, wrote like seven or eight. I wanted
Speaker 8: to do at least ten, but I wrote about I
Speaker 8: remember I had a rad Revolve Revolution shot the DJ
Speaker 8: Revolution was one of the nastiest cutters ever. Uh, and
Speaker 8: you know, and so on I showed my mom and
Speaker 8: she was looking at it. She goes, I think you
Speaker 8: should go with Premiere because you always always want to
Speaker 8: be first and stuff and this and that, and I
Speaker 8: used to repair everybody's stuff in my neighborhood. Actually, Travis
Speaker 8: Scott's father.
Speaker 2: Was like my O G.
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know father, Yeah, he's you know, he's probably
Speaker 8: like I'm fifty, he's probably like fifty seven fifty eight.
Speaker 8: But year Jack Webster which which actually Travis Scott used
Speaker 8: to be Jack Webster before he changed the Travis Scott's
Speaker 8: Jack Jack Webster and Travis Webster and their brothers and
Speaker 8: south of Sonora Webster and rest speaks to their dad,
Speaker 8: who's actually used played cards every Thursday with my father.
Speaker 8: He just passed going on three years now. And uh
Speaker 8: and uh shout to Ms Webster, who's first first person
Speaker 8: in my neighborhood I heard cursed more than Richard Pride.
Speaker 2: Lady.
Speaker 8: Every Christ we still go over the house and go
Speaker 8: see her, and she's just a barrel of fun and
Speaker 8: she's just so funny. So you know, I remember they
Speaker 8: were tell me about Travis Scott wanted to get on
Speaker 8: and everything, and and uh they would give me his
Speaker 8: music and stuff, so like.
Speaker 2: He's popping that.
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, and uh, Jack and Jack and Travis played
Speaker 8: bass and drums and they were the first one with
Speaker 8: the pool table, the first one with a VCR in
Speaker 8: our neighborhoods. So we and they lived like three houses
Speaker 8: from me. So I used to go over there to
Speaker 8: their game room, play pool and learn how to play
Speaker 8: drums and bass. And that's where my instrumentation came from.
Speaker 8: I took piano lessons, but by second grade I was like,
Speaker 8: I don't want to do that. I want to play
Speaker 8: cowboys and Indians and all that stuff, you know, So
Speaker 8: started doing that type of stuff. And then I was
Speaker 8: in Little league baseball. So so during that time, I
Speaker 8: just you know, kind of like I left the the uh,
Speaker 8: the the everything else to the side. Next thing, you know,
Speaker 8: everything started to trickle into the you know, the the
Speaker 8: turntable stage of every thing, and and uh, you know,
Speaker 8: music was always just.
Speaker 2: Heavy in the house.
Speaker 10: So you started out DJing and doing mas, wast Masters,
Speaker 10: wax Master, c.
Speaker 8: Nothing to cut. Yeah, you know, I straight, I straight
Speaker 8: like trump, Uh, what what happened?
Speaker 2: Central man?
Speaker 8: So I called when I said, when my mom said premiere,
Speaker 8: it sounds like the one. I called, uh Stu and said,
Speaker 8: what do you think of DJ premiere? He goes, that's it?
Speaker 10: I love it and talk about Stu Man because I've
Speaker 10: heard like a lot of stories about Wild. I mean,
Speaker 10: you know, Diamond don't want to make a picture as
Speaker 10: Wild all that. Like what was he like as a
Speaker 10: businessman and what was that first dangstar deal like for me?
Speaker 8: Even when when we met my first manager, Patrick Moxy,
Speaker 8: who you know started to pay their records. Uh and
Speaker 8: and Empire Management was our management.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 8: With with Patrick, I remember we went to a party
Speaker 8: and he goes, Jo Man loving the new gangs our record.
Speaker 8: First thing we do is get you off that small label.
Speaker 8: And I looked at him like you're about to ruin
Speaker 8: our stuff because Stut was so cool, Like we we
Speaker 8: we got along well.
Speaker 2: And like I said, it was a husband and wife label.
Speaker 8: Guru's the one that hurt that used to go through
Speaker 8: the shoe box of demos that got sent to him
Speaker 8: and he heard my demo and he heard Lord Fanessa's demo.
Speaker 8: What's the label wild Pitch Ok?
Speaker 2: What was your demo? At the time. So I was
Speaker 2: in a group called we.
Speaker 8: We were called mcson Control, you know m I C
Speaker 8: mcs and Control. It was me my MC top Ski
Speaker 8: Sugar Pop.
Speaker 2: No Sugar.
Speaker 8: If they all all from South Dallas, shot to Old
Speaker 8: Cliff and all of that. So, you know, so they
Speaker 8: all went, we all went to school together, and and
Speaker 8: then there was stylely T. Stylely T was our flavor flave,
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying. So you know, I mean
Speaker 8: like he was just I mean, and not only that,
Speaker 8: he's not acting like that. This is really how he is,
Speaker 8: you know. And when I just went on the prom
Speaker 8: tour two years ago, when I went to Dallas, I
Speaker 8: saw all of them, and we all still talk to
Speaker 8: each other, call each other texts, and they come to
Speaker 8: my shoulder. We still call each other like it's a
Speaker 8: regular thing. They're not mad that I took off and
Speaker 8: and continued because they couldn't really afford to come to
Speaker 8: New York. Uh Me and top with were in New
Speaker 8: York shopping the demos. Uh I got a credit Carlos
Speaker 8: Garza because he's the one that got me a job
Speaker 8: at at a Sound Waves record store, which was the
Speaker 8: store in the hood in Houston to go to. If
Speaker 8: you and the if you're from the streets and you
Speaker 8: want to get anything, you gotta come to Sound Waste.
Speaker 8: All the all the players and the pimps used to
Speaker 8: come in there with the furs and and this is
Speaker 8: the hot Texas with gators on and everything. Hey, everybody
Speaker 8: got some of that laddim mo and and plus we
Speaker 8: sold zyder call music. A lot of people don't know
Speaker 8: what yer Communica. That's huge down in Texas, and so
Speaker 8: you know, and you have to know your music. So
Speaker 8: it so what it was.
Speaker 2: Uh, this is how I got the job.
Speaker 8: I actually used to The price tags were easy to
Speaker 8: peel off, and they had like three ninety nine or
Speaker 8: twelve inch so we were putting the one ninety nine
Speaker 8: ones on and Carlos saw me doing it, but he
Speaker 8: didn't confront me because I was with Top and Top
Speaker 8: was a very cocky dude.
Speaker 2: Yo.
Speaker 8: Yeah, fuck all that men. You know, it ain't nobody
Speaker 8: gonna be too.
Speaker 2: Front on us. You know.
Speaker 8: That's how he That's how top.
Speaker 2: It is years.
Speaker 8: This is probably like eighty for this, eighty four eighty five.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 8: So uh so when we get to the counter and
Speaker 8: I got a stack of twelve inches, Carlos is the
Speaker 8: one that puts the prices on it because he's the
Speaker 8: twelve inch buyer from the warehouse. He's the one that says, hey,
Speaker 8: give me ten tone looks give me ten Reli Vanilli's girl.
Speaker 8: You know, it's true stuff like that. So when he
Speaker 8: saw what I what I was buying, He's like, dude,
Speaker 8: these prices are wrong, and you know me, I'm acting tough. Yo, man,
Speaker 8: it's a dug night. No, that's what I'm paying there.
Speaker 2: But there are three ninety nine.
Speaker 8: I'm the one that priced those. I'm like, well, whatever's
Speaker 8: on there is what I'm paying for it. If you're
Speaker 8: gonna fit change the price, you're gonna put it on.
Speaker 8: Next time I bought a record, you know, I was
Speaker 8: like you. I was like you and thats Shane, you know.
Speaker 8: So so from there, I came back in the store
Speaker 8: and you know, maybe a couple of weeks later, and
Speaker 8: he was just like, yo, man, yeah, I saw what
Speaker 8: you bought. You know, you have you picked a lot
Speaker 8: of hot records that I just got in you know
Speaker 8: how you know all that stuff. And I'm like, well,
Speaker 8: I'm moving to New York. I'm from here, and you
Speaker 8: know I'm gonna I'm gonna work on getting a record deal.
Speaker 2: He's like, yo, you want a job here.
Speaker 8: I was like yeah. And then I met met with
Speaker 8: their owners and everybody. They gave me a job, and
Speaker 8: from there, me and Carlos are the tightest friends. That's
Speaker 8: how I ended up meeting an odd squad with Devin
Speaker 8: the Dude, and and and uh all you know, all
Speaker 8: of us got got cool. That's I mean, I met
Speaker 8: scar Face, I met Willie d So we go way back,
Speaker 8: way back before the deal. And then from there, uh,
Speaker 8: the billboard that just started having a rap category in
Speaker 8: Billboard magazine, a rap chart.
Speaker 2: So Carlos became.
Speaker 8: The billboard reporter for Houston, for the South, and then
Speaker 8: they needed They said, do you want to be the
Speaker 8: twelve inch Biers? So now I took over as a
Speaker 8: twelve inch biers. So I'll call south by South I
Speaker 8: mean I mean Southwest Wholesale and say, hey, I need
Speaker 8: you know, one hundred wild thing tone logan.
Speaker 2: They're like, are you sure you need one hundred?
Speaker 8: I'm like, Yo, it's moving because people coming in the
Speaker 8: store going yo, we need wild thing, wild thing for
Speaker 8: the weekend, you know, and then we can move them.
Speaker 8: They got to a point where they trusted anything I
Speaker 8: would say order people say. And then that's when the
Speaker 8: base in the in the cars was like a new
Speaker 8: thing holding now hit it is what totally got us
Speaker 8: into the sound system era for us in Texas, holding
Speaker 8: now hit.
Speaker 2: It, My man, are right? That is a loud even
Speaker 2: always mixed the ship way louder.
Speaker 8: Than and and what it was. There's a guy named
Speaker 8: Otis Curtis. He was part of my rival DJ team,
Speaker 8: the DJ crew that that that. We were rivals all
Speaker 8: the time. It was Chris Garrett, Tony Tapscott, Darryl Tapscott,
Speaker 8: r I P. And we we all friends, played football everything,
Speaker 8: but we also enemy but rivals with the turntables because
Speaker 8: we were like, yo, but you ain't got this record,
Speaker 8: but ja got that record?
Speaker 2: But O.
Speaker 8: This was the first one to have the big wolfers
Speaker 8: in his truck. And I remember he came pulled up
Speaker 8: he goes, Yo, I'm about to put on this song
Speaker 8: by the Beasie Boys. We had already heard like, uh
Speaker 8: the well, we had heard Beastie groove, but didn't have
Speaker 8: no eight O eights and this is one of the
Speaker 8: old Purple Death jam so yeah, exactly. So then I
Speaker 8: remember this is exactly what he said. He said, Yo,
Speaker 8: when this record beat Beat drops, you better duck. And
Speaker 8: we're like why he said, watch and you know it
Speaker 8: starts off with this holding now there's no you know,
Speaker 8: he goes get ready to dug in the city. As
Speaker 8: soon as he said and I'm chill it, and it
Speaker 8: just said boom boom boom, boom boom. We were like, god, damn,
Speaker 8: that's some bass. And after that everything just started coming out.
Speaker 8: It seemed like it seemed like I and that just
Speaker 8: everything was just boom boom boom. And then that's how
Speaker 8: I got really into Mally because Molly didn't follow the
Speaker 8: every kick pattern. His would just be just like boom boom,
Speaker 8: And we were like, yo, look where he's placing his ship.
Speaker 2: So that blew me away. And this is even before
Speaker 2: you had even started. This is still We're just.
Speaker 5: You want to know something hilarious, So your your moment
Speaker 5: of realization with like this, this might call me to
Speaker 5: the culture was holding now hit it? You want to
Speaker 5: know something hilarious. So the initial printing of hold it
Speaker 5: now hit it? When def Jam did it put the
Speaker 5: a cappella on the A side right, So when Lady
Speaker 5: b Ever played it in Philadelphia, we never knew there
Speaker 5: was drums on the ship. She was not until not
Speaker 5: until we ought license to ill And I'm still mad
Speaker 5: even to this day. When I played Holding Out hit
Speaker 5: it like I played the acappella in Philly, Wow, it
Speaker 5: was because to us it was like, yo, they are
Speaker 5: so dope, they don't even need to.
Speaker 2: Word no music.
Speaker 5: I mean, we never heard of a cappella before, so
Speaker 5: this was number one in Philly for like all of nineteen.
Speaker 2: We never knew there was music. We never knew there
Speaker 2: was drums, so we never knew. We never knew that.
Speaker 5: So like and only later I found out the initial
Speaker 5: pressings of it, like I think mural in Japan, I
Speaker 5: brought a twelve inch where Holding Out hited the a
Speaker 5: cappella they called Acapulca. Yeah, it was on the A
Speaker 5: side and the other version was on the B side.
Speaker 5: But yeah, never I never knew it was yeah, and
Speaker 5: that's what that That's.
Speaker 8: Really what said office sound from me and then that's
Speaker 8: from from there. That's why I was like, man. But
Speaker 8: when it came to Marley, that's why I was like,
Speaker 8: I want to I want to learn.
Speaker 2: How to make beats.
Speaker 8: It was just everything his When I heard the bridge,
Speaker 8: you know, I remember run DMC and Dana Dame came
Speaker 8: to our college to perform and during the Break, you know,
Speaker 8: when they're setting up the equipment and everything. I just
Speaker 8: remember I thought it was called the Breaks because it
Speaker 8: was going it sounds like it's going to break to break,
Speaker 8: to break, to break, to break to break. I didn't
Speaker 8: know it's saying the bridge. And then I remember, like
Speaker 8: that's around Tim mc carlos, and I was like, yo,
Speaker 8: there's a song called the it goes the Break, the
Speaker 8: Break he goes.
Speaker 2: No, it's saying the Bridge, he goes.
Speaker 8: I got it right over here and it said Bridge Records,
Speaker 8: and it just looks so plain, but it looked New York.
Speaker 2: Like the label.
Speaker 8: I was like, again, labels, the way they look they
Speaker 8: you know, they just make you plug out based on
Speaker 8: the label. Now you'll see a label with some weird
Speaker 8: shitting go always.
Speaker 2: I know it's something on it.
Speaker 13: You know.
Speaker 2: What was.
Speaker 5: Was general hip hop culture in Houston, derivative of New
Speaker 5: York culture, Like Okay, we see run DMC doing that,
Speaker 5: so what's up, homeboy? Like because it was southern was southern?
Speaker 5: When did Houston establish their own thing? Like Okay, we
Speaker 5: don't have to be New York or LA. We could
Speaker 5: be ourselves.
Speaker 8: Like I gotta say, the ghetto Boys, you know, because
Speaker 8: I go back to knowing the Ghetto Boys when it
Speaker 8: was Johnny you know, when it was waiting for a
Speaker 8: Face before Ready Read. It was juke Box and Johnny
Speaker 8: c and everybody that you know this is you know,
Speaker 8: when when Face came, he was a DJ action, you know,
Speaker 8: so even Butchwick Bill wasn't in the group officially yet.
Speaker 8: So then Ready Red came in later on, like when
Speaker 8: Death four and all of them came out, and and
Speaker 8: the Raheem. So during the first record that came out
Speaker 8: was called Carfreak. That was the first Ghetto Boys record,
Speaker 8: and we were like, wow, they got the feelos suits on,
Speaker 8: and they got the fat cables, Like where they get
Speaker 8: it this in Houston where you finding cables at? You
Speaker 8: know what I'm saying. They had the big dookie ropes
Speaker 8: and we were just like wow, you know they they
Speaker 8: got them already. Then, Uh, everybody knew Jay Prince because
Speaker 8: we had a we had a club called the ron
Speaker 8: Stone Wrangler, which was the Tunnel back in the eighties,
Speaker 8: and and J Prince was one of the owners of
Speaker 8: that club. So uh, and then RP, the one that
Speaker 8: taught me how to scratch, was working there. On that
Speaker 8: night's so that's yeah. So he would always get me
Speaker 8: in and he this is when he's playing, he's not
Speaker 8: really playing, you know. Yeah, you play car Freak from
Speaker 8: the Ghetto Boys and play Captain Jack, who was the
Speaker 8: local DJ and radio personality. And he had a record
Speaker 8: called don't do It Like That Baby, so so de
Speaker 8: cause back then people go, yo, don't do it like
Speaker 8: that baby. That was like a saying. So he he
Speaker 8: made that as like an anthem before the fat Man scoops.
Speaker 8: This was don't do it like that baby was the anthem.
Speaker 8: So that got played and then uh then uh, and
Speaker 8: you know, Steve Farnier and all of them was a
Speaker 8: major part of Houston. But in the club, if it
Speaker 8: wasn't Ghetto Boys, it was stepsosnic uh, nobody beats to biz,
Speaker 8: make the music with your mouth, the bridge like it
Speaker 8: was those types of records in Texas like.
Speaker 2: No bias against nah nah it was fresh.
Speaker 10: I was yeah, I mean because it was the same
Speaker 10: for us like in North Carolina like it was you
Speaker 10: know when we were young, like New York.
Speaker 2: I mean that was it. So whatever was whatever was out,
Speaker 2: Yeah it was it was.
Speaker 10: It wasn't it hadn't become regionalized yet, so like at
Speaker 10: the time, so you're still are you DJing at this
Speaker 10: point or you at the time when.
Speaker 8: Eighty four, you know, into eighty five. And once I
Speaker 8: was already doing parties. But I just knew how to blend.
Speaker 8: I didn't know how to cut. I do nothing. I
Speaker 8: was just very and I used to sit down and
Speaker 8: just just spend. I wouldn't stand up. I would just
Speaker 8: sit there. Crowds rocking, and I would just sit there
Speaker 8: and go fade and everybody's still rocking. And I always
Speaker 8: had just a HoTT of stuff. And then and then, uh,
Speaker 8: how many crates are you bringing to a party at
Speaker 8: that time? Probably like ten fifteen because because everybody you know, why,
Speaker 8: because everybody help. It was a place called the Memorial Center,
Speaker 8: and then we also spun at a place called the
Speaker 8: Newman Center, which is part of the church I went to.
Speaker 8: I used to go to Catholic Church. I was the
Speaker 8: ultim boy all that stuff. And uh so the Newman
Speaker 8: Center was the place to have the jams. So it's
Speaker 8: the spot.
Speaker 2: And when we spun it at the Newman Center.
Speaker 8: And at the Memorial Center, everybody wants to get in
Speaker 8: because they you know, you got to pay to get
Speaker 8: the get in the door. They were really strict like that.
Speaker 8: Now you gotta pay, you know, they probably a dollar
Speaker 8: then and I was like a big dog, I ain't
Speaker 8: got a dollar, yo. People always help you carry the
Speaker 8: crates in and they're not there when it's time to
Speaker 8: go home. Every time you know, no one going to
Speaker 8: help you. Yeah, you know, be out of ten people
Speaker 8: will be two people to help you.
Speaker 2: So uh that.
Speaker 8: Back then, we had our own equipment, recipes to Theodore Archer.
Speaker 8: We call him Meatball. He he and I had a
Speaker 8: DJ crew. My mom made us a little cards and
Speaker 8: you know uh what we call we would call Magic Sounds.
Speaker 2: My mom named it.
Speaker 8: I didn't like it Magic Sounds. I was like, ma,
Speaker 8: cause we had Magic one O two, which was our
Speaker 8: hip hop and R and B station. But they back
Speaker 8: then they played like I said, the mix show played
Speaker 8: and nothing but predominantly New York game because that's all
Speaker 8: you really ask. But but then we had Egyptian Lover
Speaker 8: for the West Coast. You had Egyptian Lover. You had
Speaker 8: a mixed mass iced T wouldn't even even now really
Speaker 8: like yet he had a record called Cole win Madness.
Speaker 8: A lot of people don't know that he is a
Speaker 8: record on the Blue Label.
Speaker 2: Jimmy Lewis one, yeah, yes, it is.
Speaker 5: So right before it just be good to me, Jimmy
Speaker 5: James Terry Lewis would make it little instrumentals and that
Speaker 5: Blue label.
Speaker 2: Yeah you know, yeah yeah boom was that before? So
Speaker 2: that was before you named Egyptian lover. Uh was a
Speaker 2: big deal.
Speaker 8: Two show was just on the because we now I
Speaker 8: have West Coast friends who I met in college, just
Speaker 8: got Stevie, Steve. He used to be like, man, you
Speaker 8: on all that New York stuff. Y'all always put it
Speaker 8: on plus two. We put it on plus eight and
Speaker 8: I was like, so he said, yeah, can we cut faster?
Speaker 8: And he's always had an attitude. He's like, let me
Speaker 8: show you what we could do. And he put on
Speaker 8: the al and they fish from Hachene.
Speaker 2: It's time and he's like that.
Speaker 8: I'm like, wow, he's doing this fast. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 8: stick to your plus two. That's all our death. I
Speaker 8: will always remember him saying that, stick to your little
Speaker 8: plus two because he was alway. Every time he get on,
Speaker 8: he goes, can I get off?
Speaker 2: He would just slap it down.
Speaker 8: You know what, Shout to Stevie, Steve wherever you are,
Speaker 8: shout to John Twine. Uh, these are guy John Twine Man.
Speaker 8: He was like pretty boy from the West Coast. But
Speaker 8: they taught us how to do the dance called the
Speaker 8: Guests because I used to dance back then. I was
Speaker 8: in I was in a B boy crew everything. That's
Speaker 8: when you know I had footwork and everything.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 8: We used to battle the legend. He used to play
Speaker 8: for the Rams.
Speaker 12: Uh.
Speaker 8: Oh my god. Harvey Williams, he used to play with
Speaker 8: the Rams and he played with the Raiders. We used
Speaker 8: to battle him and his brother Darryl Williams, and they
Speaker 8: used to wear the tuxedo jackets with with the white
Speaker 8: piezos and and the white gloves, and then they would moonwalk.
Speaker 8: They were the first one I ever saw moonwalk where
Speaker 8: it looked like they were literally floating on air. I
Speaker 8: was like, yea, all these dudes are nasty. We gotta
Speaker 8: kill him in the next battle.
Speaker 5: All right, I'm mind blowing right here. All right, you're
Speaker 5: listening to the Quest Love Supreme, O Pandura. Uh. We're
Speaker 5: here with Teams Supreme and our very special guests, DJ
Speaker 5: two plus the the, the the the Larry Love of
Speaker 5: Houston hip hop dancer.
Speaker 2: YO. So I'm like, I'm really shocked.
Speaker 5: Because the only inkling that I had that Houston even
Speaker 5: had a culture was when Chuck D shouted out ghetto
Speaker 5: Boys and on Fear of a Black Planet, Like it
Speaker 5: really wasn't even occurring.
Speaker 2: To me that way before hip hop was.
Speaker 8: And the the guy that's like the quote unquote Mellye
Speaker 8: Mel of Houston, his name is k Reno.
Speaker 2: Oh yeahno, yeah, yeah k Reno.
Speaker 8: If you asked Phase Bundy, any of them, like who's
Speaker 8: your guy, guy you look up to from Houston, They're
Speaker 8: not gonna even go I was, They're gonna automatically say
Speaker 8: k Reno. He just released an album called the Big Seven.
Speaker 8: Uh just posted on Instagram a couple of days ago.
Speaker 8: He just released seven albums all on the same day,
Speaker 8: just came out.
Speaker 2: He's just a militant work.
Speaker 8: The militant, angry just I don't just fuck you all
Speaker 8: type rapper, and he can spit. He's actually on the
Speaker 8: n YG's album on the song about It's called Introduction
Speaker 8: of Manhood, which is pretty much about, uh, how many
Speaker 8: how many youth black kids go to jail to learned
Speaker 8: to be a man because they don't really know until
Speaker 8: they hit a consequence where they got to go to
Speaker 8: jail and really face real men.
Speaker 2: So so it's all about that.
Speaker 8: So it's Kirino, you know Nyg's and Little Fame from
Speaker 8: MP It's a real hill song to beat. Its crazy
Speaker 8: and it's very serious beat. But it sounds like you
Speaker 8: you know, running highe the hoodie music. But Krino bodied it.
Speaker 8: I mean, just man, he's yeah, Krino Man, big up
Speaker 8: to him.
Speaker 2: He's the he's the you know, he's.
Speaker 8: From South Park, so that's south Side. He he's the
Speaker 8: South Park General. So you know it's really north sides
Speaker 8: and in south Side in Houston. Yeah, so and Most
Speaker 8: and then you got Most City, which is Missouri City.
Speaker 2: So you know, so.
Speaker 5: At this rate, are you thinking like, okay, this is
Speaker 5: a career for me and or is it just now
Speaker 5: how did you because you're not in the original.
Speaker 2: Gangster No, I'm in the third.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm the third generation. First generation is Guru Sug
Speaker 8: and Sug's brother swab d He he was that was
Speaker 8: the first gang star they named Gangstar when they were
Speaker 8: going to moreuse.
Speaker 2: You know, Sugar was hustling out.
Speaker 8: There, and uh, you know the Guru was going to college,
Speaker 8: and uh they were called the gangsters because you know,
Speaker 8: Sug wanted to keep it. Yeah, yeah, we're keeping in heart.
Speaker 8: You know, Sugar was heavy in the streets at the time.
Speaker 8: So from there they say, you know what, it's called
Speaker 8: a gang star to kind of not soften it but
Speaker 8: just have it more accessible of a name and having catchy.
Speaker 8: So they they originated the name Sug, swab d and
Speaker 8: and Guru. Then from there Sug got incarcerated, did a
Speaker 8: few years of time, and then another MC stepped in. Uh,
Speaker 8: because it was only one m C, but now it's
Speaker 8: two m C. There's Dame Odiski and Guru. But Guru
Speaker 8: wrote all the rhymes for Damo dame o.
Speaker 5: Uh.
Speaker 2: Uh would would rap with Guru.
Speaker 8: And then at the DJ, his name was Mike D
Speaker 8: but his DJ name was DJ want to be down.
Speaker 2: But he spent.
Speaker 8: But he spelled the DJ one one two, the number
Speaker 8: two B, the letter B and then down there was
Speaker 8: DJ one two be down. But if you say it
Speaker 8: all the one and if you listen to the first
Speaker 8: twelve and he goes, yeah, DJ want to be down
Speaker 8: on the DJ on the wheels, you know, so, yeah, D,
Speaker 8: they want to be down. Mike D's brother's name is
Speaker 8: gang Star T, so that's another.
Speaker 2: Edition of the name.
Speaker 8: But even though they had already started Gang Star already
Speaker 8: with Sug and swave D and Guru, but Gangstar T
Speaker 8: was a known guy in Boston. And again Mike D
Speaker 8: is his brother in the group. So that's how that
Speaker 8: that those affiliations happened. And then when it got to
Speaker 8: the point of Guru staying in New York when he's
Speaker 8: living in Brooklyn, he and he got with me. He
Speaker 8: was like, man, if they're not gonna come up here
Speaker 8: and help, you know, for get us to the point
Speaker 8: where they're only showing up in their shows and money,
Speaker 8: I'm I'm not gonna have them be in the group
Speaker 8: and it's just gonna be me and you.
Speaker 2: So I was like, well, that's on you.
Speaker 8: And that's when that that beef started where they were like, well,
Speaker 8: we're gonna be Gangster a posse and.
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, that's when little Shabb who's from.
Speaker 8: Meast, New York, he was friends with Jay Ruth Damager
Speaker 8: and then that that that they kind of angry that
Speaker 8: that Guru kept running with the name. So they started that,
Speaker 8: but then you know, that got shut down quick. We
Speaker 8: were doing dis records and stuff like that, and I
Speaker 8: didn't I didn't know them, but I knew whoever it is,
Speaker 8: if it's to that degree where we gotta gotta get
Speaker 8: it on. I was always like not was I am
Speaker 8: still from line if it's something that's gonna protect our
Speaker 8: team and and and I'm like that to this day.
Speaker 10: How did you and Guru even meet? Because you signed
Speaker 10: it with this and the wild pitch he finds your demo?
Speaker 8: Right, well, Guru really found the demos that still checked this.
Speaker 2: So how did you and him actually meet?
Speaker 8: So Stu said, you know, I should put you all together,
Speaker 8: but I wanted to student sign the MCS in control.
Speaker 8: But now we've changed our name to I c P,
Speaker 8: which was in a circle posse. But there's a reggae
Speaker 8: group called.
Speaker 2: That that's yeah. I was like yeah.
Speaker 8: So so with that we were just like we're just
Speaker 8: we're just I c P, you know, and we'll say
Speaker 8: in a circle posse and.
Speaker 2: Wow, what equipment were you using then?
Speaker 8: I was Carlos had an SB twelve that he had
Speaker 8: bought and twelve the Perl the blue, so you couldn't
Speaker 8: save the sound.
Speaker 2: I bought the drive.
Speaker 8: You know that you have the big, big flat square
Speaker 8: you know, the one it's like a ten inch disc.
Speaker 2: You know, we save.
Speaker 8: So so, but then when you saved it and you
Speaker 8: load it back up and it's all like, you know,
Speaker 8: it's not playing back the same. But I learned how
Speaker 8: to trunk do everything, and I would just make it
Speaker 8: and go directly to my cassette decks because I'm like, damn,
Speaker 8: it's not saving anything the way I want. So if
Speaker 8: you know, I can't reload it up to play it again,
Speaker 8: and then uh yeah. And then when I got to
Speaker 8: New York with that, you know Gord he shot to
Speaker 8: Gordon Franklin. They were they They went to Periview as well,
Speaker 8: so that's how we all met. So when I told
Speaker 8: him I was coming back and I wanted to get
Speaker 8: some demos done to hopefully get a gang star at
Speaker 8: the time, Stuart was like, well, I just don't like
Speaker 8: the way you got wraps. He didn't like the way
Speaker 8: Top rap, and uh because the demo me and Top
Speaker 8: did is what got that got us to Stull wanting
Speaker 8: to sign us. So that's why I'm like, I'm not
Speaker 8: going to leave him and you like the demo that
Speaker 8: we cut. Yeah, we had one called We're Fantastic. We
Speaker 8: had one called Up Another Level. We had let my
Speaker 8: DJ get Hyped, which was him rapping about me and
Speaker 8: I was looping, uh uh people make the World go
Speaker 8: around from Michael.
Speaker 2: Jackson, boom boom, boom boom. I just kept just boogo
Speaker 2: boogo boom.
Speaker 8: Because my my man Skeet, who was our neighbor in
Speaker 8: East New York, taught me how to work a for
Speaker 8: a track. I was like, wow, so I could just
Speaker 8: cut this for like five minutes. Now I got that,
Speaker 8: and then I would just cut the dun from the Wilton,
Speaker 8: I mean from the mil Jackson version yellow covered with
Speaker 8: the red.
Speaker 2: I cut that over it. Then that was the That
Speaker 2: was the beat.
Speaker 8: Let my DJ get Hype turned into DJ Premieres and
Speaker 8: Deep Concentration because he said, let me get off the
Speaker 8: mic and let my DJ get hyped. Gepkeepepet get kip,
Speaker 8: give the man behind the wheels and so all the
Speaker 8: cuts that I did on that became Deep Concentration. Once
Speaker 8: I joined Gang Star, but I and I and I
Speaker 8: found my demo tape that I gave Stu, and Stu
Speaker 8: gave it back to me. It's in great condition. I'm
Speaker 8: about to transfer it because I you know, and digitize
Speaker 8: it because that's you know, safety stuff. Yeah, no, real,
Speaker 8: I'm not joking. Even the writing on it, and and
Speaker 8: you know, just looking at it like wow, this is
Speaker 8: And I found the law for Nes demo.
Speaker 2: Law Ferness wrote his own.
Speaker 8: He put Lawfulness the Funky Technician on it, with his
Speaker 8: own handwriting, with the nice you know, graffiti style handwriting
Speaker 8: and everything, you know. And that's how I met law
Speaker 8: for Ness when he became our label mate. You know,
Speaker 8: that was the first person I ever produced us outside
Speaker 8: of gang Star. But yeah when when when? Uh with
Speaker 8: my partner. As far as how we separated, uh top
Speaker 8: but we Stu even said, look, I'll put you all
Speaker 8: in the studio. Maybe you need a professional studio. Maybe
Speaker 8: I like him, puts in the professional studio. Next thing,
Speaker 8: you know, we do a couple more demos. He's like,
Speaker 8: I still don't like your guys. So I said, I'm
Speaker 8: not that. I can't join gangst unless unless I'm with
Speaker 8: my dude. Time passed. We cut them more demos, still
Speaker 8: no work. We went to every label still nothing. The
Speaker 8: Top said, yo, man, in the next couple of months,
Speaker 8: if we don't get a deal, I'm going into the military.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 8: I was like, nah, not you, that's not even He's
Speaker 8: so street, It's like, that's not even leaving you man.
Speaker 8: We got to knock on the door cause we all
Speaker 8: were living with Gordon's family now, you know, hanging out
Speaker 8: in the basement living there, Me Gordon, brother Gary, Uh
Speaker 8: and me and Top and I dance a HL rock
Speaker 8: shot shot to HL and next thing you know, Dud's
Speaker 8: at the door and he's like in the uniform, going, hey,
Speaker 8: I'm looking for Theodore Campbell. And I'm like for what
Speaker 8: he said, Uh, he's leaving today, you know he he
Speaker 8: I thought he was bluffing, and he said, yeah, you're
Speaker 8: joining the military. I'm like, yo, time, yelling down, yelling
Speaker 8: down in the I was just explaining this at another interview.
Speaker 8: I was just and he comes up the stairs with
Speaker 8: his bags already packed, and I'm like, you're really leaving
Speaker 8: and he was like yeah, and he said it's rapp
Speaker 8: ain't working. I was like, nowhere is I leave me Like,
Speaker 8: I'm stuck here in New York without you? Because I
Speaker 8: really thought we were gonna make and he's like, yo,
Speaker 8: and he said, and I thought he enlisted for like
Speaker 8: a year. I was gonna wait and just be like,
Speaker 8: when you come home, we'll do it again. He's a
Speaker 8: ninelists for four years.
Speaker 2: N like, now, that's a lifetime to wrap called.
Speaker 8: My partner just left. He went to the Navy, and
Speaker 8: he's like, so that's when I joined Google captain. Now
Speaker 8: he actually got discharged, but uh, he's doing well. He's
Speaker 8: got got a beautiful family. We're homies. We still see
Speaker 8: each other everything. Like I said, I see everybody took it.
Speaker 8: But we all always calling each other, texting each other.
Speaker 8: Everything's good and good with everybody, so no hard feelings.
Speaker 5: It's in the vein of third base. It's almost like
Speaker 5: an arranged marriage. Yeah, yeah, that worked.
Speaker 2: That was or did it both?
Speaker 8: And I told at the beginning, I said, listen, I
Speaker 8: still want to produce other acts, you know, so please
Speaker 8: you know you got a problem with that, let me know.
Speaker 8: He's like, nah, I'm cool with that. Just I want
Speaker 8: you to DJ for me or whatever, and you know,
Speaker 8: make the records for me too.
Speaker 2: And I was like cool.
Speaker 8: I said, well then I'll be in the group with you,
Speaker 8: but i'mstill produce outside of that.
Speaker 10: So no more missed the nice guy I read. I
Speaker 10: think there was another of you said the album was
Speaker 10: done in.
Speaker 2: Like ten twelve days.
Speaker 8: Yeah, that I wasn't really nasty yet as far as
Speaker 8: being being confident to say I am a beat maker producer,
Speaker 8: that really was me guru. This now is nest me
Speaker 8: twelve hundred.
Speaker 2: You know, this is me Guru.
Speaker 8: And Slowmo's son and fell and we were in Brooklyn
Speaker 8: at such a sound studios, and uh, I used to
Speaker 8: see King of Chill there all the time, Like wow,
Speaker 8: I think it was King of Chill, you know, like
Speaker 8: my man. You know, like I was such a big fan,
Speaker 8: and I didn't really know how to work that's not
Speaker 8: fifty yet in Akai, that's not fifty Sampler and me
Speaker 8: and him got cool and he's like, yo, if you
Speaker 8: want to come to my mom's house, I'll teach you
Speaker 8: how to how.
Speaker 2: To work it.
Speaker 8: So I used to go to Crown Ice to take
Speaker 8: the train and bought me a nine to fifty of
Speaker 8: my own and he taught me at his mom's house
Speaker 8: with no drum machine attached, so I didn't have anything
Speaker 8: to trigger it. He just taught me how to loop
Speaker 8: and everything. And I used to always go to King
Speaker 8: of Chill's house and learn all of that. So once
Speaker 8: I got that master, then he said, man, and you
Speaker 8: could buy you like a little basic device that can
Speaker 8: MIDI up. You know, I was learning this whole MIDI thing,
Speaker 8: and he said, and you can trigger all your sounds.
Speaker 8: And once I did that, I started going, oh, okay,
Speaker 8: I get it. And but I didn't know how to
Speaker 8: do chopping until I'm at show Biz because because now
Speaker 8: the law for our label made. He's like, ya, want
Speaker 8: you to meet one of my homemies from my from
Speaker 8: my projects.
Speaker 2: He's dope.
Speaker 8: He named show Viz. You know, show was in the street,
Speaker 8: but he was nasty with the beats. And that's how
Speaker 8: I'm at Diamond, and that's how I'm at the whole
Speaker 8: D I T C. And I'm in fact Joe way
Speaker 8: back before.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's then they were active, Oh yeah, just waiting
Speaker 2: for the wait for that time.
Speaker 8: And uh and Patrick really liked you know, Showz was
Speaker 8: doing everything on his own ride the trunk of a car.
Speaker 8: Patrick liked like show Biz music. So that's why he's like, yo,
Speaker 8: let's sign them to pay day, and that's how we
Speaker 8: all got Yeah. Well when I when we did No
Speaker 8: woman's a nice guy. We were all on the drum
Speaker 8: machine together, like we'd be side by side and I'm like,
Speaker 8: I'll hit this, you hit that, and.
Speaker 2: Slo almost like, well I'll hit this.
Speaker 8: They are like bombs were really yeah, because if you
Speaker 8: hear the production what songs, all of them.
Speaker 5: Because I'm saying everything was so wait a minute, so
Speaker 5: or cause and effect. That's someone doing the highest yo,
Speaker 5: yo dog, and.
Speaker 2: You were trying to replicate that. I was like, yo,
Speaker 2: is there a describancy program because that was starting getting.
Speaker 8: Because I didn't understand yeah, because he went because I
Speaker 8: never liked the quantize, so.
Speaker 2: I like it loose. And once he told me, I
Speaker 2: was like, how can you make it?
Speaker 8: Do it with it's almost like you're doing it. He
Speaker 8: said you could turn the quantize off. I thought everything
Speaker 8: was just one sixteen. So when he told me that,
Speaker 8: I'm just liked.
Speaker 5: You know, oh yeah, it's I gotta hear this for
Speaker 5: one second. This caused effect by gangster. You ain't living right, punk,
Speaker 5: I'll like to school you're not rue you But I said, yo,
Speaker 5: you fool yourself when you try to deny the five
Speaker 5: written long.
Speaker 8: Hoped each other because we're doing it like he might go,
Speaker 8: you know, like that's how it was, Like we really
Speaker 8: but you know what, I'm not I'm.
Speaker 5: Really not mad at that at all, because what you know,
Speaker 5: Marlon Jackson said when that Off the Wall documentary that
Speaker 5: sometimes mistakes and and the human element makes the song
Speaker 5: breathe better. And you know, like I really didn't know
Speaker 5: the importance of quantizing until like some dj started complaining
Speaker 5: that they can't blend rare stuff to you know, and
Speaker 5: I was like, all right, I'll do it, damn click track.
Speaker 5: But you know, like I would have Okay, now this
Speaker 5: there's a lot of the records making sense to me
Speaker 5: now that I realized that you guys were just doing
Speaker 5: it triggering live with your hands.
Speaker 10: So after that, when y'all do know him, it's a
Speaker 10: nice guy. How do you make the transition from wild
Speaker 10: Pitch to Chrysalis?
Speaker 8: For got to give it up to Spike Lee and
Speaker 8: and uh brand from Marcellus. Oh yeah, because we had
Speaker 8: done jazz music. Spike saw Spike saw the video towards
Speaker 8: our manifest thought girl looking like Malcolm X in the
Speaker 8: video that prompted.
Speaker 2: The Body album.
Speaker 8: He bought the album and was and heard jazz music.
Speaker 8: And it was during the time he was doing Mo
Speaker 8: Better Blues. So when he was doing more the Better Blues,
Speaker 8: he reached out to us and plus is Brooklyn. You know,
Speaker 8: he was saying, Brooklyn is Brooklyn now, so he you know,
Speaker 8: he's very pro Brooklyn. And he said, I remember he
Speaker 8: called us and said, yo, man, I love that song.
Speaker 8: Y'all did shouting out all the jazz grades, but y'all
Speaker 8: have out a lot of people. And I was like, well,
Speaker 8: we actually did that for our grandfathers because they win
Speaker 8: jazz bands and and we did that to dedicate to them,
Speaker 8: because before my grandfather passed, he said, we want you
Speaker 8: to do a record about about the jazz grades if
Speaker 8: you really you know, respect, you know, the music of
Speaker 8: the past. So we did it as a tribute to them.
Speaker 8: We weren't really like, really focusing on it. And it's
Speaker 8: the only record on there about jazz, you know what
Speaker 8: I'm saying. Everything else is the other subject matter. You know,
Speaker 8: battle rhymes, and Gul's always liked to do battle rhyme stuff. Anyway,
Speaker 8: next thing, you know, they said, well we want you
Speaker 8: to do a better version of what you did, but
Speaker 8: we want brand for ourselves to help you do it.
Speaker 8: And he said, we got a poem by this guy
Speaker 8: named Eric Eli and it didn't rhyme. But I remember
Speaker 8: gru looked at the at the run and said, and
Speaker 8: they don't rhyme. And Spikeel said do it and do
Speaker 8: whatever you want, but mention those names that you didn't mention.
Speaker 8: Grew just said, you know, Charlie Ming is such number
Speaker 8: of fingers, you know, just little feeling. Because he had
Speaker 8: all the names and it was pretty much a done thing.
Speaker 8: He right, Grew writes fast, done and we cut the
Speaker 8: cut the vocal. My original version was the one that's
Speaker 8: in the video.
Speaker 2: Cool in the game.
Speaker 8: That was the demo I presented to say we should
Speaker 8: do it over this with brand from them. They were like, no,
Speaker 8: we need instrumentation and we want to make it a broad,
Speaker 8: big thing for the soundtrack. So we did that and
Speaker 8: that's why that version on the soundtrack is very well,
Speaker 8: it's like a big production. When it came to the video,
Speaker 8: Spike was like, yo, I want to use your version
Speaker 8: for the video, which he was like, cool, So we did.
Speaker 8: We did that and then all of a sudden shout
Speaker 8: to uh Duff Marlow saw the video and uh, I
Speaker 8: just reached out to him on Twitter. I just shout
Speaker 8: him out and all of a sudden, I me and
Speaker 8: him talking again. You know, he's he's doing well. I
Speaker 8: haven't seen him in years. And he's the one that
Speaker 8: said to get a sign and we got signed to Christmas.
Speaker 10: So then when y'all did the stepping the Arena, which
Speaker 10: I don't know this, that's the first CD I ever bought,
Speaker 10: the long Box and she was like eighteen dollars.
Speaker 2: But no, actually, yeah, sure have a I have a
Speaker 2: reputation for stealing. Yeah, for stealing. In my early days
Speaker 2: before I found I used to steal cause we skipped
Speaker 2: that part.
Speaker 8: We just we we we were all about stealing stereos,
Speaker 8: you know, so so and then but then my own
Speaker 8: friends who used to steal got me. I remember when
Speaker 8: I walked out and saw the hole of my door,
Speaker 8: you know, because what it was I used and and
Speaker 8: all that stuff. We used to do, all that stuff, man,
Speaker 8: And I was like, dann, they got me from my
Speaker 8: system because I used to put all the systems in
Speaker 8: my neighborhood in people's cars. So I was nice with it,
Speaker 8: and I was just like, man, they got me, you know,
Speaker 8: I you know, got another one, but yeah I had
Speaker 8: no yeah man, you know yeah. So it stepped in
Speaker 8: a thieves that that I used to that I used
Speaker 8: to rock with and you know, I won't say their names,
Speaker 8: but uh so and stepping the renal what was because
Speaker 8: that was I remember buying that one. Well I didn't
Speaker 8: buy my grandmother bought it for me and I remember no, no,
Speaker 8: it was like from I think we got it.
Speaker 2: I think I got it like a Walmart soign. But
Speaker 2: but yeah, that was. That was my first CD.
Speaker 10: And so with that record, from what I could tell,
Speaker 10: it sounded like the production you were starting to get
Speaker 10: a better.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 8: Now I wanted the sound to be like the Jungle
Speaker 8: Brothers because they worked at Calliope.
Speaker 2: This is what brought me to Calliope for this album.
Speaker 2: You went to Calibe. Yeah yeah, okay, like.
Speaker 8: S L E L E E T.
Speaker 2: I remember reading it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, And it's so crazy because because whenever I wanted
Speaker 8: to do something off and lay it down, he had
Speaker 8: this thing called the Russian Dragon. So if you're Russian,
Speaker 8: it will it'll tell you if it's Russian. And if
Speaker 8: it's dragging, it'll go dragging. But it's called the Russian Dragon.
Speaker 8: Had a dragon on the on the front of the thing.
Speaker 8: It was all these lights that that it's a it's
Speaker 8: a light that's in the middle that's green and if
Speaker 8: it's rushing, it'll go red and if.
Speaker 2: It's draggon, it'll go yellow.
Speaker 8: And yeah, you used to turn it to if you
Speaker 8: if you put it on a track and run it
Speaker 8: through that track, when you turn the dill, it would
Speaker 8: move it for you.
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, it's called the Russian Dragon. What are
Speaker 2: you here for, Steve? You know what I mean?
Speaker 7: That's incredible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what year was that?
Speaker 8: That was going into ninety two because we were working
Speaker 8: on daily operation. But as far as this is where, well,
Speaker 8: prior to daily operation, yes, Stepanie Arena, who was all
Speaker 8: our lead except for Justicett Rebends was still done. It's
Speaker 8: such a sound and firehouse which is your Vazan who
Speaker 8: was partners with Slow Moo and they started two studios.
Speaker 8: So now it's such a sound and firehouse. And that's
Speaker 8: when King of Chill started to just be feed. He
Speaker 8: ran fire house pretty much and I was still in
Speaker 8: such a sound. But we did just to get a
Speaker 8: rep there and we did say your prayers there and
Speaker 8: we did, uh, what is it boom a street ministry.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there it is. That's it. That's it. That's
Speaker 2: the Russian drag. That's it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, we need that so so and I never I
Speaker 8: was like what the hell is that? But he was like,
Speaker 8: this is how you can move your your track either
Speaker 8: forward or bagard was to get it and if you
Speaker 8: wanted to be a little more off. So so from there, uh,
Speaker 8: I finally got in a lessons drum machine that could
Speaker 8: trigger my my sampler and h the first beat I
Speaker 8: did was you know, for Cloby, I did step in
Speaker 8: the arena because I always wanted to loop that that
Speaker 8: the horny horns looped it up and Guru wrote that
Speaker 8: right away we cut it and then uh, from there
Speaker 8: everything just started flowing, man, and I started just getting
Speaker 8: better with understanding because, like I said, now I learned
Speaker 8: how to filter better with Pete and I already knew
Speaker 8: peeting them and Lodge Professor. They taught me how to
Speaker 8: filter and do all of those things. And show Biz
Speaker 8: taught me how to chop and he was like, yo,
Speaker 8: if you put it on the same output, it cuts
Speaker 8: the sample off and you can do it.
Speaker 2: I'm like wow.
Speaker 8: So then I'm taking all these tools from show Biz
Speaker 8: Large Professor and Pete and then applying my way with
Speaker 8: the Mallie mentality and the scratching mentality. And I said,
Speaker 8: I want always and all these scratch like I did
Speaker 8: because I want to DJs to be like.
Speaker 2: You hear what he cut?
Speaker 8: Because I figured AT's not gonna really care about the
Speaker 8: cutting part.
Speaker 2: No, we care.
Speaker 8: You know, you know it's going yo he cut this line.
Speaker 8: So I knew DJ to be like yo, he's killing
Speaker 8: it on the cut. So that's why I did it
Speaker 8: for DJs.
Speaker 10: Now you well, it's funny you say it because as
Speaker 10: MC's for me as a kid listening, it was always
Speaker 10: dope to me how you would take parts of different songs.
Speaker 10: But like, you know, it's almost like a collage, you
Speaker 10: know what I mean. It was like you would take
Speaker 10: all these things and put them together. And I remember hearing.
Speaker 10: I mean, you know, like with mathematics, we took the
Speaker 10: cut in to do your math pile. I never would
Speaker 10: have thought unbelievable. With the I was like, what the fuck,
Speaker 10: why do you do that?
Speaker 8: It just comes to me like that as a DJ,
Speaker 8: it's all DJ oriented. Everything for me is DJ orient first,
Speaker 8: you know, even from what I do as a producer,
Speaker 8: everything is starts from just DJing. Like if I had
Speaker 8: to pick out of everything I like making, like I
Speaker 8: just like DJing.
Speaker 5: Okay, not that I think you will confirm this question,
Speaker 5: but for the sake of quantizing stuff, do you think,
Speaker 5: all right, do you think have you ever just especially
Speaker 5: if it's a sharp cut, just what I call pulling
Speaker 5: a doctor ice utfo like cut it via your your
Speaker 5: n PC or you're through your German machine.
Speaker 2: Oh no for you? Oh yeah, he he'll tell you.
Speaker 8: I'm hard on myself when it comes to laying my strategy.
Speaker 2: No, yo, listen, we did We were doing cuts for
Speaker 2: the breaks, and he was doing what he was doing.
Speaker 5: We wasn't doing ship. We was watching, but he was
Speaker 5: doing he was cutting. Uh yeah, yeah, yeah, he's cutting.
Speaker 2: I did it with the actual record. Yeah he wasn't.
Speaker 2: It wasn't it was the real.
Speaker 8: I could have done the Serado, Yeah why not? And
Speaker 8: I kept going, I kept going no again again, and
Speaker 8: in every take we'd be like I was, I was
Speaker 8: doing like, no, it was just a little again when
Speaker 8: you were.
Speaker 5: Going okay, let me just go to pro tools. No no, no, yeah, okay.
Speaker 5: And I was saying to you, but I'm just saying
Speaker 5: I didn't know people even did that. He's still what
Speaker 5: mixes like he's only running.
Speaker 8: Through okay, so that they would see.
Speaker 2: What you're saying. I'm looking at you like i've seen.
Speaker 5: I mean someone someone taught me how to cut, like
Speaker 5: I would load whatever I want to cut and scratch
Speaker 5: on stuff or on on what you load.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then two thousands up to But there's a
Speaker 2: way to make it. How do you scratch it?
Speaker 5: I mean there's there's I mean you won't get the
Speaker 5: because sometimes you'll hear product like uh okay for instance,
Speaker 5: like if you would do like stop yeah yeah.
Speaker 8: Like that because I want people to go, Yo, look
Speaker 8: how he's cutting like that's like I said, it was
Speaker 8: a DJ thing.
Speaker 2: Well I want DJ to go. I've seen cats cut
Speaker 2: via I've never seen all these years.
Speaker 10: Yeah, he's still like even when we were doing stuff
Speaker 10: like ping, he still works even though it's all digital,
Speaker 10: he still works like he's on tape.
Speaker 2: So like it would be nothing.
Speaker 5: I'd be like, yo, supreme, like you know, we can
Speaker 5: go in and just He's like, no, no, let me
Speaker 5: punch punch out of your son.
Speaker 8: Yeah, if I go step up, step up, step, I'll
Speaker 8: say take it from step and then go step.
Speaker 2: And I'll go up. Yeah, And it's that precise.
Speaker 8: I'd be like, I'll do that, but I have I'm
Speaker 8: always literally on the failure.
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, So it's a slight admission time. This
Speaker 5: is my confession. This confession time game plan from Stepanie Rita.
Speaker 5: So back in the early Square Roots days, back when
Speaker 5: we were busting on South Street, we that would this
Speaker 5: would be one of our like we didn't write our
Speaker 5: own material.
Speaker 2: We were just like do you know? All right? Do
Speaker 2: tribe next? But for some reason we used to do
Speaker 2: a routine to Static. I never even knew.
Speaker 8: More was the one that said, Yo, you gotta chat
Speaker 8: out this group the rudes. Like he he brought and
Speaker 8: brought y'all to me. He was so into y'all from
Speaker 8: the gating and him and re met, you know what
Speaker 8: I'm saying.
Speaker 2: But you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: But he was like, yo, Philly that they they banned,
Speaker 8: you know, because we only knew steps and sign against
Speaker 8: the hip hop band. So you know, he's like, yo,
Speaker 8: they doped the dope and you know, y'all just man, y'all,
Speaker 8: y'all have transformed hip hop into its own planet.
Speaker 5: Man, I want to know now right now, you're in
Speaker 5: like your your second year with Guru. How are you guys,
Speaker 5: because this is an arranged marriage, how are you guys
Speaker 5: gelling as a unit?
Speaker 2: As a unit?
Speaker 5: Like you know, is it like he feels that it's
Speaker 5: more his band and you're visiting or you know, like,
Speaker 5: are you guys friends? Offset are you hanging afterwards? Like
Speaker 5: what's in the first in the in the first two
Speaker 5: years of Gang Star, what's the relationship like.
Speaker 8: Both because we lived together, because we live together from
Speaker 8: the from the moment's a nice guy all the way,
Speaker 8: too hard to earn. We lived together, y'all lived in well,
Speaker 8: we lived in Brooklyn.
Speaker 2: The first we lived in brook in Brooklyn.
Speaker 8: Then we moved to one eighty third Street in the Bronx.
Speaker 8: And that's how I'm at Panche And yeah, that's how
Speaker 8: I met mel CoA nutcracker, smiley, yellow child. That's how
Speaker 8: that whole connection from the Bronx happened on one of
Speaker 8: the third Street because we lived on one of eight
Speaker 8: third and Andrews, you know. And that's when I used
Speaker 8: to see uh ski, I see Dame Dash walking his dogs. Uh,
Speaker 8: that's when jay Z was around a lot, you know,
Speaker 8: running with Dash. So you know this is where where
Speaker 8: that that transition seeing Chubby Chubb all the time, you know.
Speaker 8: So we all live in the same area era, but
Speaker 8: the area, and but we fought from day one, and
Speaker 8: and but it would be over nonsense, but it never
Speaker 8: affected the greatness of the songs. Like we we'd be
Speaker 8: fighting and then he's fighting with my dancer, you know,
Speaker 8: and then they're they're fighting in the hallway of were
Speaker 8: in a grimy building, crackheads all on the same floor,
Speaker 8: and they're like, come on, let's go, let's go. And
Speaker 8: they didn't tearing the room up or tearing the hallway up.
Speaker 8: And then next thing you know, we're like, yo, I
Speaker 8: love you man, yo yo. And next thing you know,
Speaker 8: we're in the lab making another bang.
Speaker 10: So I'm skipping ahead, I'm skipping it out a little bit. Now,
Speaker 10: your mind off hard to earn that told me about you.
Speaker 8: Even know what, Yeah, even though it's basketball's lingo. We
Speaker 8: had just got into a major fight this during this
Speaker 8: right around that daily operation time. We got into a major, major,
Speaker 8: major fight. It's very bloody, very messy. And we had
Speaker 8: already gotten hired to do the song for White Men
Speaker 8: Can't Can't Jump soundtrack, so you know, the check is
Speaker 8: already in, the last thing we want to do is
Speaker 8: is not do the record. So I remember, I remember
Speaker 8: grou walked into the the session, bandages on his head
Speaker 8: and everything like that. And he walks in and goes
Speaker 8: straight to the booth and looks right at me. You know,
Speaker 8: because the way d n D the what it is
Speaker 8: with the vocal booth, it's just a slight look to
Speaker 8: the level. He's the boots right there. He looked at
Speaker 8: me and just said, you do get there wrong. You
Speaker 8: never have the skills like mine. And he's just looking
Speaker 8: right at me, and I'm looking at him. Could we
Speaker 8: still have a little tension? And I remember when it's
Speaker 8: when the vocal.
Speaker 2: Was done, he goes, you're good with that?
Speaker 8: I'm like, yo, it's dope.
Speaker 2: He goes and fuck you and walks out.
Speaker 13: You know.
Speaker 8: A couple of days later it was back to le.
Speaker 2: But how did you even know that we had talked
Speaker 2: about that before? I missed.
Speaker 8: I missed him so much. And then not only that.
Speaker 8: I mean, you know, he had a big alcohol problem.
Speaker 8: He used to flip a lot. Where it's not even
Speaker 8: just me, you can be I mean, so many people
Speaker 8: in the industry and fans have still come up to
Speaker 8: me and go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Drew, he was drunk and he was cursing, he
Speaker 2: was lit. Yeah.
Speaker 8: And there's so many stories that are similar to mind,
Speaker 8: so it's not like just us. This is fans and
Speaker 8: other artists that have witnessed the same thing. But one
Speaker 8: thing that and you know so dope is even when
Speaker 8: he would be pissed or in one of his moods,
Speaker 8: he would go but that's this one thing. I will say,
Speaker 8: I'm one of the nicest and he would always say that,
Speaker 8: oh he go.
Speaker 2: One thing is for sure, nobody get out rhy on me, y'all.
Speaker 8: I don't care how ugly.
Speaker 2: He was or is.
Speaker 8: He would always make that his last hip hop fights.
Speaker 2: I thought it'd be over like food or a girl
Speaker 2: or whatever.
Speaker 8: Just so many things, man, and but we don't.
Speaker 5: He just had issues because you guys kind of came
Speaker 5: into your prime when this was really a young man's game.
Speaker 5: I mean, at least the perceived you know, I mean,
Speaker 5: You're said his ageless anyway, But I'm just saying that.
Speaker 5: You know, most people get ushered in when they're like
Speaker 5: nineteen twenty twenty one, they're young boys, you know that
Speaker 5: sort of thing.
Speaker 8: I mean, well, I was at age at that time.
Speaker 8: I was twenty three.
Speaker 2: What's the difference. He's uh, he's older than you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he's older than you to me. Yeah.
Speaker 8: So even though the age line happened for several years,
Speaker 8: you know, which I already knew what his age.
Speaker 5: Was, but significant, man, I never knew he trying to
Speaker 5: hide his age or whatever. He just had such a
Speaker 5: cool gurus I mean, for those that you know are
Speaker 5: too young to even remember that time period, I mean,
Speaker 5: Guru's voice it was probably, i'll say, definitely the top
Speaker 5: five most unique voice.
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, I mean absolutely.
Speaker 5: Just as far as delivery, Like you know, I put
Speaker 5: him up there with Snoop's.
Speaker 2: Voice, tips voice, be Real's voice.
Speaker 5: Uh, even at Rock's voice has a very unique correct
Speaker 5: you know, so crazy.
Speaker 8: I didn't know his real age either until we went
Speaker 8: back to Boston to go do promo for one of
Speaker 8: our albums and h ed Og and the Bulldogs was shooting.
Speaker 8: I got to have a video in the back of
Speaker 8: the store, so like, g was it? And and uh,
Speaker 8: why don't you all come in because we knew the
Speaker 8: awesome too. Everybody knew Gangster by that time. But we
Speaker 8: went around the corner to be in the video, which
Speaker 8: we were in it, and uh, a kid walks up
Speaker 8: and goes, hey, mister Elm remember me. And I'm sitting
Speaker 8: there like, why is this kid calling him? So I'm like,
Speaker 8: why are you calling him? Mislim? He said he was
Speaker 8: my teacher. Wow, great dish. That's when I was like,
Speaker 8: just tell me what they do so I know. Even
Speaker 8: if I got a live for you, I just want
Speaker 8: to know so I know, you know. And then we
Speaker 8: all got our story straight.
Speaker 5: When did when did y'all start? Because I okay, so
Speaker 5: no one missed and no miss I got daily operation.
Speaker 5: I remember that follow up that seemed to come kind
Speaker 5: of quick after.
Speaker 2: Uh yeah.
Speaker 8: After that was during the time where you come out
Speaker 8: with an album. Every year you're doing an album, you tour,
Speaker 8: come home, get the next budget.
Speaker 5: And so with that, uh, the budgets kept well wait
Speaker 5: a minute, but this is one thing though, you guys
Speaker 5: didn't because by this point you're with Patrick Moxy and
Speaker 5: I know hismo is tour right, because you guys were
Speaker 5: the only people I ever saw going to the same
Speaker 5: places that because because our radio played ship was down
Speaker 5: and we weren't on TV. Management was like, yo, we
Speaker 5: gotta go on the road, and so we got a
Speaker 5: lot of our gigs based on the acts that wouldn't
Speaker 5: go blah blah blah cancels.
Speaker 2: To do that. But you guys were always on the road. Yeah.
Speaker 8: But Patrick tru is British, even though he speaks American English,
Speaker 8: so he doesn't have an accent, but he's British. And
Speaker 8: all of our staff Neel used to be who all
Speaker 8: and the top executives now shout all of them, uh
Speaker 8: they they were all uh part of his team. So
Speaker 8: that's why that's why I knew so much slang. Like
Speaker 8: even to this day, I still go fucking hell, And
Speaker 8: I'm so used to hearing that in the office so
Speaker 8: much that that's normal for me to respond to a
Speaker 8: certain things like are you serious, man?
Speaker 2: Fucking hell?
Speaker 8: Like it just it just rolls off the tongue that naturally.
Speaker 5: Speaking of tour, you must give the QLs listeners the
Speaker 5: Gang Star Father mc DJ Quick Tour story, The towels.
Speaker 2: I can't wait for this. I never heard it. This
Speaker 2: is the most gangs ever all with the towels. Oh
Speaker 2: my god.
Speaker 8: I tour EPMD three years ninety one. Yeah, EPMD ass
Speaker 8: is to tour with them, just when Jessica repe is
Speaker 8: very hot and U because Jessica Rep came out ninety
Speaker 8: if you look at the twelve and just at nineteen
Speaker 8: ninety seventy arena the album came out ninety one, EPMD
Speaker 8: as to go on tour wheeling. We were so ecstatic,
Speaker 8: like wow, I drove my own vand with my MPV
Speaker 8: it was me DApp Gordon Guru and we had a
Speaker 8: nine millim meeter and a whole bunch of beer. You know,
Speaker 8: we were hining and freaks back.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the premiere van, Yeah, the one we all used
Speaker 2: to tell so you weren't renting, we can afford it.
Speaker 8: We couldn't afford to get.
Speaker 2: A bus yet.
Speaker 8: You know that was a big, big paper and we
Speaker 8: wouldn't get into a support at that time. We didn't
Speaker 8: get to support until the second until Daily Operation. Then
Speaker 8: we were getting to a support.
Speaker 2: All the time.
Speaker 8: They still do to a support for artists, probably not well.
Speaker 5: Now it's three sixty deals where they just pay for
Speaker 5: everything and your Yeah, so is DJ Quick.
Speaker 8: He was brand new. He's like the first blood wrap
Speaker 8: ever seen it. I only knew crips, so it was
Speaker 8: DJ Quick, Uh for them, See Mary J. Blige was
Speaker 8: with us for a little while as a backup singer,
Speaker 8: you know, with with for them, they were all label mates.
Speaker 8: Uh Chubb Rock, that's from. That's when Poke was just
Speaker 8: the DJ before before Yeah and and Gangstar. So we're
Speaker 8: on the tour and uh, Father them c used to
Speaker 8: always be late to the gigs where he would have
Speaker 8: to because DJ Quick is supposed to go on right
Speaker 8: for you pm D because the markets we were in,
Speaker 8: he was bigger, you know, so the lineup goes in
Speaker 8: the order of how pop popping you are, so obviously
Speaker 8: even pm D was the biggest, but you know, so
Speaker 8: fatherm Se was always robbed late where Quick wa have
Speaker 8: to go on so that it doesn't keep a lagging
Speaker 8: in the in the show. And then uh, Fallom is
Speaker 8: closer to the He got to a point where everybody
Speaker 8: was getting frustrated where it was like, yeah, we gotta
Speaker 8: say something to him, and uh, you know, words was
Speaker 8: said where he was like Yo, if you don't keep starting,
Speaker 8: keep coming late, we're gonna have a problem, you know,
Speaker 8: flat out. So it got to a point where once
Speaker 8: he uh started, he started coming on tom and uh,
Speaker 8: everything was cool but Quick but Quick was like, all right,
Speaker 8: let me uh, let me show you this, this cat
Speaker 8: out how big my strength is. Because every show after
Speaker 8: Quick would get off stage. He used to doing met
Speaker 8: and Greek, and you know, meet and greets were really
Speaker 8: a new thing for us at that time, right after
Speaker 8: the show. And then plus Quick was so new, you
Speaker 8: know for us because everybody knew e PMD, everybody knew
Speaker 8: Chubb Rock at the time. And uh and like I said,
Speaker 8: we were popping with our our records. But man, uh
Speaker 8: the line for Quick was that crazy to just get
Speaker 8: you know, the glossy promo pictures signed and he taking.
Speaker 2: A picture of the lobby or this is backstage.
Speaker 8: But after the whole thing with father them, she got
Speaker 8: out of hand where they were like, yo, you know
Speaker 8: this just got to stop it again. He started coming
Speaker 8: on time, but just to get back at him, Quick
Speaker 8: had it. Security got the security team by a whole bag,
Speaker 8: like garbage bag full of towels, like the little ones
Speaker 8: that you twirl at football games and stuff like that.
Speaker 8: So all of a sudden, Father Them Sea goes on
Speaker 8: stage and there's like a big ruckets in the crowd,
Speaker 8: and everybody's like wondering what's going on. And you look
Speaker 8: at you know, because we've already performed. So we're hanging
Speaker 8: out and we're watching, and we looked and DJ Quick
Speaker 8: is wiping his Jerry curl with the towels and then
Speaker 8: passing them to the girls, so they're you know, that's
Speaker 8: distracting everybody watching.
Speaker 2: I was waving like.
Speaker 8: He's wiping this Jerry curl and the girls like, oh God,
Speaker 8: wipe his face. You know, he wiped his face, you know.
Speaker 8: And and the security team was all from Saint Louis.
Speaker 8: He went to a show in Saint Louis. He went
Speaker 8: to show in Saint Louis and loved the way that
Speaker 8: the security team was handling the crowd. That he hired
Speaker 8: everybody that worked at that club, so they shut the
Speaker 8: club down for that period of time while that whole.
Speaker 2: Security team went on toy.
Speaker 8: He got got them an r V of their own,
Speaker 8: and they rode in that r V with the security
Speaker 8: team and they were because he was having a lot
Speaker 8: of problems with gang bangers and stuff. It was heavy. Yeah,
Speaker 8: people were like fuck quick, fun quick and stuff like that.
Speaker 8: And we were riding with him because you know, he's
Speaker 8: part of our tour and we were both we're a family,
Speaker 8: so we you know, and then everything turned out cool
Speaker 8: with all them. See it was we were always cool
Speaker 8: with him anyway. It was just stop coming late, you know,
Speaker 8: just because you want to, you know, different. But everything
Speaker 8: ended up being a cool tour. Everybody got along with
Speaker 8: all them. See he's a great dude and big up
Speaker 8: to him too.
Speaker 5: You know. Can I ask you, because I mean, you're
Speaker 5: one of the few luminaries that has pretty much been
Speaker 5: privy to and active in every era of postmodern hip
Speaker 5: hop touring. You were there for the early nineties, right
Speaker 5: when like MTV raps was ramping up in America and
Speaker 5: a whole new thing. You were there for like the
Speaker 5: alternative tours. You again, you hit Europe and all those
Speaker 5: other spots you still tour to this day when you
Speaker 5: think of, ah, those were the days, like that's real touring.
Speaker 5: What where does your mind instantly go.
Speaker 8: To from those days?
Speaker 2: Because you I feel like you've toured more than the
Speaker 2: average cat and hip hop and various.
Speaker 5: You know, on your own whatever, Like when do you
Speaker 5: have is it fond memories when you're in the van
Speaker 5: driving or is it like, oh, when we got tour
Speaker 5: buses that was the time, or is it like what
Speaker 5: are the glory days for you?
Speaker 2: Like hek tour?
Speaker 8: Really really for us was when we did London because
Speaker 8: we were told and you know, London is the New York.
Speaker 2: Of Europe, and well not even cities. I just been
Speaker 2: like era oh.
Speaker 8: Ninety two Daily Operation really so early. Yeah, that's when
Speaker 8: we brought jay Rwe and Dad and I even seen
Speaker 8: jay Rue dismantle a guy that pulled a gun in
Speaker 8: the audience and he was able to dismantle him and
Speaker 8: take the gun and the guy get and got it
Speaker 8: from him, and then we took it on our bus
Speaker 8: and was like, I got an old video footage. I
Speaker 8: got video footage, footage footage. Oh yeah, we got hundreds
Speaker 8: of tapes.
Speaker 2: What you're gonna do with that?
Speaker 8: Uh, to be continued safety in a safe place.
Speaker 2: That's the good thing.
Speaker 10: Was the from Daily Operation on like and then which
Speaker 10: I'll hit hard to earn when was the was hard earned?
Speaker 2: Kind of like the pay dirt moment, like the records.
Speaker 8: Now were the headliner and we it was it was
Speaker 8: it was gangstar m O P, Nas and uh and
Speaker 8: Uh Gangster m P Nos and J was damaged because
Speaker 8: Jay we was popping. M P was really popping, starting
Speaker 8: to pop with out with the first album. They didn't
Speaker 8: even have the second album out, but they were they
Speaker 8: We took them on tour because we we became really
Speaker 8: close friends. And then UH Nas was only on the
Speaker 8: tour for like three shows, and then it uh his
Speaker 8: manager who was l O Cool. Jay's manager was like,
Speaker 8: you know, Nods is too big for y'all. We're taking
Speaker 8: them off.
Speaker 2: The tour and we're like, what do you mean. He's like, hey,
Speaker 2: he's too big for y'all. We were pissed.
Speaker 8: No, this is when O Madic had just come out.
Speaker 8: I got foot lyrics, I have footage, but but it
Speaker 8: was like just like, Yo, how you gonna do that?
Speaker 8: And it's not it's not Nods, it's the management, but uh,
Speaker 8: but it was just like you know, we we just
Speaker 8: felt like that was a slap in our face because
Speaker 8: we asked Nods to be on it and we were like, Yo,
Speaker 8: this is gonna be a good, good look before he
Speaker 8: does get getting ready to do his own thing. But
Speaker 8: you know, we weren't even salty in him. It was
Speaker 8: just his manager. So he did three shows. I got
Speaker 8: all the footage of the shows. He tore it up
Speaker 8: because that's from New York state of mind. It just
Speaker 8: bubbled in the street and it was heavy and having
Speaker 8: him open.
Speaker 5: Up to a big deal can uh okay before I
Speaker 5: are at the Dwick questions, because I feel like Dwyck
Speaker 5: was the the real turning point of you guys blossom
Speaker 5: into it, you know.
Speaker 2: For the group.
Speaker 5: However, you guys are also on uh nice and spooze
Speaker 5: and the damn thing change right down the line, down
Speaker 5: the line?
Speaker 2: Did you produce down the line? No? Did you cut
Speaker 2: on down the line? Yes? Okay? Who produced it? Greg Nice?
Speaker 8: Greg Nice makes it makes the beats.
Speaker 5: Here's the funny thing, though, because I always felt that
Speaker 5: Greg Nice did not know who you guys were as
Speaker 5: you were doing it.
Speaker 2: My man, exactly.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so that's actually Howler through Greg Nice.
Speaker 2: Really.
Speaker 8: Oh well, yeah, so we got old history.
Speaker 2: But what this is what happened or did he just
Speaker 2: not correctly? This is what it was.
Speaker 8: That's why they used to work at power Play and
Speaker 8: everybody knows you know, paid him full was done there
Speaker 8: and you know, uh I saw I witnessed large Professor
Speaker 8: do uh wanted Dead Alive Coolie rap album? Yeah, I
Speaker 8: was there to watch all those sessions. Well, you know,
Speaker 8: I was just like, wow, look at g Rapp and
Speaker 8: he's always goes hold on, I got to spit and
Speaker 8: he's spitting literally, yeah, lyrics, spit on the ground and
Speaker 8: then he would and then he they punched me in
Speaker 8: and he would boom, just go, go, go, go go.
Speaker 5: You know, yeah, I was gonna say, what magical? What
Speaker 5: sessions have you witnessed that you were there for?
Speaker 8: Like Dead Alive really shout the you know, Polo will
Speaker 8: be there and Drew uh oh man, oh my god
Speaker 8: he lives in Texas. Now Drew what's his DJ name?
Speaker 8: He's part of the early X men.
Speaker 2: Oh my god? You know what is Drew's name?
Speaker 11: Uh?
Speaker 2: Damn? Now is killing me?
Speaker 11: Uh?
Speaker 2: Drew whose name is? We'll come back to me.
Speaker 8: But just being there to see that go down, you know,
Speaker 8: one of their allows, one of the dopest COULDI rap
Speaker 8: albums ever?
Speaker 2: In every song, every song, you know, so so you
Speaker 2: there to witness the whole process. Were you next door
Speaker 2: to them or was.
Speaker 8: No lodge fessel Now you know, we all hung out
Speaker 8: so large, like come with me to the sessions, very
Speaker 8: b walk in with the big cable and we just
Speaker 8: like this, there he is there, he is.
Speaker 2: There, he is. Was it easy for you guys to
Speaker 2: get initiated in the.
Speaker 5: And I mean, well no, Actually, you know what Chucky did,
Speaker 5: make you a part of the extra strinth prose, like
Speaker 5: Chuck these thank you on all public albums.
Speaker 2: Like to be the extra strength. I used to how
Speaker 2: they come with the fulled out paper in the exactly.
Speaker 5: So I mean, how how long was it before you guys?
Speaker 5: Were you guys just instantly like welcome wherever you came.
Speaker 8: In, Like oh yeah, yeah, I remember when we couldn't
Speaker 8: get in the clubs and all of a sudden, manifest
Speaker 8: came out. Those same security girls like and they would
Speaker 8: call again to call Gurgle gangstar, gangstar, come on in,
Speaker 8: you know yeah, and you know, but they knew we
Speaker 8: were both gang star, but they would call him gangstar.
Speaker 8: And but we now we're getting into every hot club
Speaker 8: that's hard to get in.
Speaker 2: It was automatic.
Speaker 8: We were like wow and we'd be like thirty forty
Speaker 8: deep and everybody got in.
Speaker 2: Wow. So yeah, because unless it was Patrick's club.
Speaker 8: It was Patrick's Club at the Pay at the Powerhouse,
Speaker 8: which was the big club of that during the early nineties,
Speaker 8: we were one hundred deep, we got in.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I always think of that because syliloically of Chaos. True story,
Speaker 5: it's I imagine because he's so descriptive with it.
Speaker 2: True story.
Speaker 5: It is so rare because you guys are at least
Speaker 5: what you represent musically, and I know it's street, I
Speaker 5: know it's true to the boom, but there is a mellow,
Speaker 5: kind of calming, non aggressiveness about Gangstar.
Speaker 2: But you guys rolled like we were wild. Five Carl like, yeah,
Speaker 2: we were wild.
Speaker 8: We were really wild. I mean our house was literally
Speaker 8: like a frat house. Easy Mob will tell you, Gizzl
Speaker 8: will tell your Rizzle will tell you they were there real.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like our house was a wild house. Rage.
Speaker 8: But just before, I remember, Rage wanted me to do
Speaker 8: her demos and she was like, loop up this, Michael Jackson.
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, you need to do.
Speaker 8: And she's like, you know what, ain't nobody help me
Speaker 8: out here. I'm going to I'm gonna find Doctor Dre.
Speaker 8: And she goes, I'm gonna move away, and she fan.
Speaker 8: We did a stepping arena tour and we did LA
Speaker 8: at the Palladium, the same palladium on off sunset and
Speaker 8: she was doing security with the yellow jackets and security
Speaker 8: on the back, you know. And she was like, yo,
Speaker 8: I met up with Doctor Dre. He's starting a new
Speaker 8: label called Death Row and he signed me.
Speaker 2: And I was like for real.
Speaker 8: She goes, yes, we were about to watch so yeah,
Speaker 8: she was with Nikki D. She used to sleep on
Speaker 8: the couch at Chunk King. She a place to stay.
Speaker 8: So she's born. She's yeah, yeah, and uh and uh
Speaker 8: it did I was.
Speaker 2: It was her Nikki D.
Speaker 8: And Nikki's sister used to call a terrible t and
Speaker 8: I met rage because Nikki D. You know, it was
Speaker 8: the first female on Death Jam. We went to the
Speaker 8: release party for her and we knew we all we
Speaker 8: all knew each other. But they need to ride home
Speaker 8: and I had the m p V and and we
Speaker 8: just got the step in thee arena test press cassette
Speaker 8: to make sure it sounded good. We ne CDs weren't
Speaker 8: ready yet, and uh, you know, to test those out
Speaker 8: before we were before were going to put them into production.
Speaker 2: And I had precisely the right.
Speaker 8: Rhymes, which was my jam where I used the Brethren drums,
Speaker 8: and I had that fifty hertz uh eight away which.
Speaker 2: Is said, if you ever get here, you're right right.
Speaker 8: I'm giving them a ride home. Right when they get
Speaker 8: in the car, I said, y'all might about listening to something.
Speaker 8: My new album is about to come out, and they
Speaker 8: were like, yeah, go ahead and play it.
Speaker 2: When that when that.
Speaker 8: Base said, Raige goes, I turned around, like she goes
Speaker 8: that eight o eight?
Speaker 2: I said, what you know about eight o eight? Play
Speaker 2: it again?
Speaker 8: You know, almost like it was making a horny. She'll
Speaker 8: tell you the same story. She'll tell you like yo.
Speaker 2: She was like oh, And I was like yo. By
Speaker 2: you know about that?
Speaker 8: She goes to work at chun King, he said, you know,
Speaker 8: I'm always there, you know, seeing him do the process.
Speaker 8: She's trying to engineer her like she's wanted to get.
Speaker 8: She was wanted to be engineer and an artist. But
Speaker 8: everything she wanted me to she used to come to
Speaker 8: my house and everything she wanted to do was like
Speaker 8: Luther vandros Loop And I was like, no, you need
Speaker 8: hardcore beats years ahead of her time. As soon as
Speaker 8: I heard this should be played high volume, let me kick.
Speaker 2: Off, I was like, that's her, you know.
Speaker 8: And even though it said it on the cover said
Speaker 8: late was the death Row inmates, it was a real
Speaker 8: little block in the bottom left corner, and I was like,
Speaker 8: that's her.
Speaker 2: And then she was on everything. And then so by
Speaker 2: the time y'all, did you did the record for her album?
Speaker 2: That was? I mean, yeah, that was but it started
Speaker 2: I was already in shambles at that time.
Speaker 5: Can I ask you something since you brought it up,
Speaker 5: ask me something. Be super honest with me, don't be
Speaker 5: politically correct. When the Chronic came out, Yeah, September nineteen
Speaker 5: ninety two, what was your initial reaction bloom be a.
Speaker 2: Way, Yes, I I I wanted him to hear it
Speaker 2: from you. Yo.
Speaker 8: Every song really tied in, you know, because.
Speaker 2: It was blowing away like shau.
Speaker 10: I remember because telling me you said, like, after the
Speaker 10: Chronic came out, that's what made you step up the sonics.
Speaker 8: Yeah, because even though he samples, I mean, will replace
Speaker 8: stuff it just and plus again, I'm I'm from an era,
Speaker 8: I'm from boom Box and drive and I drive all
Speaker 8: the timetimes. Just get in the car to drive and
Speaker 8: just listen to Ship. So that's still my mentality and
Speaker 8: that's how I grade. Like Shout the Tory Wolf. We
Speaker 8: just finished her album on my On my I have
Speaker 8: two labels year Round, which is my street Ship and
Speaker 8: then I have T T T, which is to the Top.
Speaker 8: With my manager Ian, we put our alternative stuff R
Speaker 8: and B whatever, just as long as not the gutter gutter,
Speaker 8: we put it on T T T. So The Tory
Speaker 8: Wolf Out I just finished. And even though she's a
Speaker 8: singer songwriter and all of that stuff, in the style
Speaker 8: of music I did for her is so different. I
Speaker 8: still mat When I went to mastering the shot to
Speaker 8: Tony Darcy, who's been mastering my stuff since the early
Speaker 8: Gagstar days. Soon as I got there, he said, you
Speaker 8: still doing He did the first thing. Tony said, still
Speaker 8: doing the cassette way?
Speaker 2: I said, yeah.
Speaker 8: When I sequence, I say a cassette, I be of
Speaker 8: a cassette and you know what would start when you
Speaker 8: flip it over. The flip over part is the most
Speaker 8: difficult for me because getting it going, you want to
Speaker 8: put some bangers, but you still need to put some
Speaker 8: bangers on the other side.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got, and you got to kick off side
Speaker 2: be with a banger, and and I just I.
Speaker 8: Just sit there and just play the ending of the
Speaker 8: song in my head, like when I look at the list,
Speaker 8: like damn with that, run into that, and then I'm
Speaker 8: really meticulous about the spacing. You know, some might run
Speaker 8: into it on one, two, three and boom.
Speaker 2: Does he really?
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's sequence, he sequenced. This is everything on the
Speaker 5: one like when you listen to his record. Really, yeah,
Speaker 5: that's because I learned that from him too.
Speaker 2: I like stuff out of here, stuff like that. Do
Speaker 2: you want of these first person to heard you that? Wow?
Speaker 2: See I only said that because I.
Speaker 8: Saw you say something about that before in the interview
Speaker 8: or something about the chronic didn't hit you right away?
Speaker 5: Dog, I'm saying like, because you mentioned straight out the
Speaker 5: jungle to me, and all right, figure out the way
Speaker 5: that you did take it personal.
Speaker 2: So you take skull.
Speaker 8: Snaps and you took was twelve hundred just that one song.
Speaker 5: Really because you're your weapon of choice by now is
Speaker 5: still the sixty No I use renaissance, no no, no, no, no,
Speaker 5: I mean yeah, back because my engineer Eddie Sancho when
Speaker 5: Lyle was doing the Russian Dragon, he was like.
Speaker 8: Yoh, it's taking too long to do it that way, man,
Speaker 8: he said, you know what, and I'm watching how you're
Speaker 8: doing your beast because he Eddie Santo was the engineer
Speaker 8: there at D and D. He's like, you should use
Speaker 8: the NPC because the tracks are laid out, you know,
Speaker 8: one through a million.
Speaker 2: And he said.
Speaker 8: The thing with that is it's like he says, it's
Speaker 8: like a tape deck without being a tape deck, and
Speaker 8: you know a tape machine. I mean, so he said,
Speaker 8: that's all. You just don't have the tape machine, but
Speaker 8: just the way you could layer and mute and do this.
Speaker 2: And I was like wow.
Speaker 8: So then when he taught me how to work it,
Speaker 8: I was like, he's like, you know, I'm about to
Speaker 8: get rid of mine.
Speaker 2: You want to buy it?
Speaker 8: I bought it and that's when I got hooked on
Speaker 8: the MP.
Speaker 2: What's the first thing you did on the MP.
Speaker 5: Uh?
Speaker 2: Well, all of extra.
Speaker 8: Extra was the alessis. Uh So the mp I would
Speaker 8: probably say it's on daily operation. Around that time it
Speaker 8: would probably be it would honestly around that time. That
Speaker 8: was around Dwick Okay, So because drig was the B side,
Speaker 8: it wasn't on it. It wasn't meant to be on
Speaker 8: the album. The only reason why we did Dwick was
Speaker 8: to give Nice and Smooth payback to down the line.
Speaker 8: They were like because they were like because we all
Speaker 8: did that together, bugging out, and we were like, well,
Speaker 8: doing on our on our record. But the album already
Speaker 8: been turned in. And I remember Don Baron was there
Speaker 8: from the Masters of Ceremony because he was friends with
Speaker 8: Nice and Smooth and dub C, who's been coming to
Speaker 8: New York since since you know, d J Aladdin was
Speaker 8: battling in eighty nine. I've been friends with dubb C.
Speaker 8: Recipes to his brother Crazy Tunes. We just shot a
Speaker 8: video for year my Year Round label. Me and MC
Speaker 8: eight just did a project called Which Way Is West
Speaker 8: that I executive produced. I produced three songs, and he
Speaker 8: has a producer named Brin Sinatra from Austria, who.
Speaker 2: I know, yeah the reasons.
Speaker 8: He produced the rest of it. But the mixes were everywhere,
Speaker 8: so I told her, let me mix it, give it
Speaker 8: to me and if there's any hooks and nothing that's tight,
Speaker 8: I'll scratch on it. So I scratched on every song,
Speaker 8: mixed everything, had to get all the vocals in order.
Speaker 8: That's why it took me so long this day, I'm
Speaker 8: not used to mixing somebody else's stuff. I like mixing
Speaker 8: my stuff. Got it tight, We turned it in. We're
Speaker 8: about to release that. We just shot the video four
Speaker 8: days before Christmas. So Tunes was with us and that's
Speaker 8: why we dedicated to him. So we're about to release
Speaker 8: the video in about a week or so, and uh
Speaker 8: I Tunes is all in the video, and then at
Speaker 8: the end we give a special spot to him showing
Speaker 8: I'm just throwing it up slow motion. You know, it
Speaker 8: was just saying the RP to him, and you know
Speaker 8: it was just even going to his funeral. Was lc
Speaker 8: in LLL there and Chuck d there and almost every
Speaker 8: West Coast artist you could think of was there.
Speaker 2: It was Yeah, I never got a chance to meet
Speaker 2: to him. I heard.
Speaker 8: He was more than homie, he was a friend, you know.
Speaker 8: So that the first song is not even the singles.
Speaker 8: We did the single which is called Compton Zoo and
Speaker 8: then and then I knew eight from back then too already.
Speaker 8: That's how we've been so cool and uh so all
Speaker 8: of that's gonna be coming out, you know, prom to
Speaker 8: Tory Wolf uh m C eight uh the Nygs and
Speaker 8: my band, the Battle Band. So we're doing the EP
Speaker 8: and we're about to go on the road too.
Speaker 2: So so what is your your creative process as far
Speaker 2: as you practicing?
Speaker 5: Are you a get up at eight o'clock and treat
Speaker 5: this like my real gig thing? Do you listen to
Speaker 5: records on Sunday for five hours uninterrupted? Do you like,
Speaker 5: what's your cause to be as good as you are?
Speaker 5: We're cutting, scratching, looping, and you you know, even though
Speaker 5: I know the evolution of your production style from your
Speaker 5: earlier work where you're just straight looping four bars to
Speaker 5: the point where you're chopping stuff and or looping one
Speaker 5: ball right right, So what is your what's your preparation
Speaker 5: like like do you have do you just do like, okay,
Speaker 5: I'm just do three hours a day.
Speaker 8: Of that's how it was, well, not now, but like then,
Speaker 8: like uh maybe all the way up till maybe ninety three,
Speaker 8: that's what always get up, just start practicing cuts and
Speaker 8: going to goole and go on goo yo goo check
Speaker 8: this out. And I said, we're gonna use that for
Speaker 8: for this beat and stuff like that.
Speaker 5: You practice cuts, yeah, because you know more. Even when
Speaker 5: you were DJing on the radio, I was shocked that
Speaker 5: you play the street versions of some shit and did
Speaker 5: the reverse yeah and not. I was like, why didn't
Speaker 5: he just play the radio version because the first time
Speaker 5: we ever came to your show, you played the the
Speaker 5: uncensored version of Brooklyn Zoo. Now, in my opinion, I
Speaker 5: like his his his vocal performance on the radio version.
Speaker 2: It's better to me right right.
Speaker 5: And I was like, and whoever is in the studio,
Speaker 5: I was like, yo, why does he play the streets
Speaker 5: on when the clean version is way better? Like it's
Speaker 5: a better vocal performance. And it's like, yeah, he always does,
Speaker 5: you know? He like that tells me you study the
Speaker 5: song too.
Speaker 8: Yep. I'll listen to all the curses and just right
Speaker 8: the curse word on a piece of paper and the
Speaker 8: two words it comes before.
Speaker 2: So if it is it's uh.
Speaker 8: Enough to make a nigga go crazy, I'll put make
Speaker 8: a and I'll put in and then put a line
Speaker 8: I don't know why, and I won't even put a
Speaker 8: line under it. I'll put this whole scratch a thick
Speaker 8: the scribble line under that that N word, so it'll
Speaker 8: make me just be like and you know, so I'm
Speaker 8: gonna look at the paper, but you wants.
Speaker 2: Yeah right.
Speaker 8: It became normal and Flex used to call me because
Speaker 8: I was on from eight to ten, Flex from ten
Speaker 8: to midnight. Flex is calling you?
Speaker 2: What is that? What is that? What is that?
Speaker 8: That's how I broke Shook Ones Part two because.
Speaker 2: I'm on throughout. Yeah. Yes, they came to see me.
Speaker 8: First first because I worked with them because the Lost
Speaker 8: Professor on peer pressure and did the remix and we
Speaker 8: shot a video and everything, and so the shoot Ones
Speaker 8: part one was had been out, and you know, they
Speaker 8: were already alloud. I saw them at D n D
Speaker 8: in the A room and they were like, yo, man,
Speaker 8: we gotta get you our new record shop ones from
Speaker 8: when you go on the radio this weekend. And I
Speaker 8: was like, I already got it. He said, no, this
Speaker 8: is part two. He goes, this is some other ship
Speaker 8: this is and having like wait till you hear this one,
Speaker 8: and I was like okay, And then they brought it
Speaker 8: to me during commercial break and as soon I just
Speaker 8: sit here, word up somewhere to all of them, I
Speaker 8: was like, I was like oh man, it's just like
Speaker 8: I never heard no.
Speaker 2: Beat like this.
Speaker 12: That one became more popular, right, Oh yeah, that was
Speaker 12: the one.
Speaker 10: It was on like a tape I had, like the
Speaker 10: single or whatever, and part one was whatever, but two
Speaker 10: was the one that was it. Man, talk about because
Speaker 10: I mean by this time, so talk about Jay RW
Speaker 10: in group home because as you had told me before,
Speaker 10: like they were kind of you know, they were kind
Speaker 10: of you know, the red headed steps was like just
Speaker 10: kind of passed them off, like, yeah, work with them.
Speaker 8: Well what happened was I bring it down to you
Speaker 8: we uh we we knew Jay Rue uh and DApp once.
Speaker 8: I even joined Gangstar because uh a guy named Gusmo
Speaker 8: what was around Guru all the time Me and got
Speaker 8: mad cool. Yeah, and so he started bringing them around.
Speaker 8: So as it and then it just started growing more people,
Speaker 8: more people, more people. I always gonna keep my distance
Speaker 8: at first, just because I was so new, you know,
Speaker 8: I didn't want to you know, people start jumping on.
Speaker 2: You don't know what the vibe is gonna be.
Speaker 8: So as time passed, you know, me and DAP and
Speaker 8: always got finally.
Speaker 2: Cool and we're all cool with each other. First we
Speaker 2: had a little tension.
Speaker 8: Because it was just like, you know, we're with the
Speaker 8: we're with the mc you're we're we're with the guy.
Speaker 2: You're just the McCoy things.
Speaker 8: Absolutely your crew versus gurus pretty pretty much. And I
Speaker 8: didn't really have a crew, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: My friends from college and that was pretty much it.
Speaker 2: And you know, my.
Speaker 8: Grandfather had already passed, and you know, I didn't really
Speaker 8: have no friends. I knew Vic Black, who's still down
Speaker 8: with me, because when I lived in East New York,
Speaker 8: I knew Fat Gary, I knew Black.
Speaker 2: Is he the one that's in just.
Speaker 8: So uh uh he's uh, it's him. So everybody from
Speaker 8: that side of East New York we always called the
Speaker 8: jay ruin them the other side because there's there's another
Speaker 8: side of the East New York across across uh, you know,
Speaker 8: Liberty and all of that. So on that side, in
Speaker 8: Lavonia and and all that by the train tracks on
Speaker 8: that side's predominantly Spanish, but it's very wild, very shoot
Speaker 8: him up. So we always said, you know, we're on
Speaker 8: this side of because I live right right next to
Speaker 8: Lyndon Houses, which is very wild projects. So I'm right there,
Speaker 8: I'm near pink houses. I'm near and then near, you know,
Speaker 8: the the drama drama. So Jay ruis borderline of of
Speaker 8: of Brownsville, uh and and the other side. So it
Speaker 8: hit where he lived in Grace Towers, separates that part
Speaker 8: of East New York, but where he lives as a
Speaker 8: wild too. So we started being cool with both sides,
Speaker 8: my friends, you know, with just Fat Gary.
Speaker 2: A lot older guys, you know.
Speaker 8: But Black Black had a label called Black Magic Records
Speaker 8: before I even got a deal. I wanted him to
Speaker 8: sign me, and he was like, it's not what you think.
Speaker 8: Just because I have a stack of records in my
Speaker 8: car and all that, it's independent. I don't undertand what
Speaker 8: independent labels was at the time. Black had his first artists.
Speaker 8: They were called Spider Man and Freeze, and they had
Speaker 8: a record call. Yes, it was called I'm Too Much.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 8: They were a group, spider Man and Freeze. Yeah, like
Speaker 8: they were before they got to doing poison.
Speaker 2: This is early early so I can't even get a
Speaker 2: sound effect.
Speaker 8: Wait a minute, seriously, Yes, it was called I'm Too Much.
Speaker 8: I have a stack of them at the house around
Speaker 8: around right around around around It's called I'm Too Much.
Speaker 8: By Spider Man and Freeze. So they all from the
Speaker 8: same projects. Uh yeah, so different workman, so so so
Speaker 8: that I used to hang out with them and everything
Speaker 8: again before I was in Gangstar, So you know, the
Speaker 8: hanging with them, that's how I got cool with so
Speaker 8: many real live dudes in East New York. So I
Speaker 8: was really around real soldiers that put it in you know.
Speaker 8: Uh Black is the Tomers a former Tomahawk, you know,
Speaker 8: one of the biggest gangs during the Warriors era. Tomahawk
Speaker 8: is a real, you know, certified gang in Brooklyn. So
Speaker 8: he was a Tomahawk. So he goes back back and
Speaker 8: uh so when it came to that, that that stage
Speaker 8: of it, I've seen them grow to where it finally
Speaker 8: got to you know, them doing poison and color me
Speaker 8: bad sex, you up all that stuff.
Speaker 2: Doctor free Yeah yeah, it was Doctor Free The biggest gangs,
Speaker 2: the Doctor Freeze and Spider Man.
Speaker 5: Okay, I have a question about Jay Ruth The Damage.
Speaker 5: I consider that all right, first album, the first Summarises
Speaker 5: from the East. I consider that entire record your greatest
Speaker 5: troll and your greatest victory.
Speaker 2: Now, I mean what I have to know is.
Speaker 5: I want to know your attitude I think I brought
Speaker 5: this up to you maybe twenty years ago backstage at
Speaker 5: the Beastie Boys show. But what is what is super
Speaker 5: notable and very much troll like about the Jay Ruth
Speaker 5: The damage of record is because now it's it's it
Speaker 5: comes out in uh ninety four technically ninety four, yeah,
Speaker 5: even though Come Clean came out and.
Speaker 2: Ninety three.
Speaker 5: So I consider this and his entry into hip hop
Speaker 5: in eighty nine the new renaissance era again with the
Speaker 5: large professor premiere tippin' Ali Pete. In other words, they're
Speaker 5: not doing the conventional means of hip hop production, whereas
Speaker 5: you know, again using break beat Lindens.
Speaker 2: Beats and breaks and all that stuff. Baby lou right
Speaker 2: break be Loo. So here's the thing, though, every every drum.
Speaker 5: Uh, every drum track used on Summerses from the East,
Speaker 5: at that point when I'm listening in ninety four, I
Speaker 5: consider it extremely taboo. In other words, it's like if
Speaker 5: Ray says, hey, uh, let's take uh a mental stamina,
Speaker 5: Billy Jean ain't the first thing I'd grabbed for when
Speaker 5: I'm thinking of drums.
Speaker 2: I mean, now, as mature, you know, anything's up for grabs.
Speaker 13: But.
Speaker 2: Literally do like you took uh what was the static
Speaker 2: like you like it too? For static.
Speaker 5: Is a renaissance cat thinking, Okay, let me go to
Speaker 5: all and be some breaks and take Funkadelics you like
Speaker 5: it too?
Speaker 2: Or uh.
Speaker 5: All Night literally even the original even the original Jungle
Speaker 5: Brothers using on the run, even.
Speaker 2: Even using coolest back for come Clean. So after when
Speaker 2: I listened to the record, which takes we will talk
Speaker 2: about that later, right already. Yeah, even when listening to
Speaker 2: the record. By the time we got to with with
Speaker 2: the exception of Knowledge, you can't start the prophet.
Speaker 8: That's because the show biz show biz said yo, when
Speaker 8: he didn't catch wreck. I was so addicted that record.
Speaker 8: I was like, yo, yeah, I said, shouldn't do the
Speaker 8: shingling right right shing ling? And I was like, yo, man,
Speaker 8: I would love to use those drums. I have two copies.
Speaker 8: You said, didn't didn't do your thing. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 8: but I've never taken a drum from somebody else.
Speaker 2: That's not that's like, that's like the show was like, nah,
Speaker 2: because I.
Speaker 8: Know you're not gonna do it the same way I
Speaker 8: did it. And he said, I can't wait to hear
Speaker 8: what you do to it. And remember I remember he
Speaker 8: called me and goes like it, He goes, this is crazy.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not even sample. I was like, yo, I
Speaker 5: hated you. I just I just found it, like.
Speaker 2: Like like four months ago, get the drum. But yeah,
Speaker 2: said I.
Speaker 5: I was coming over from a gig and I was
Speaker 5: just Jazz was like, that's the Crusaders, and then it
Speaker 5: came on. I was like, but my point was that
Speaker 5: the reason why I said this is either your greatest
Speaker 5: troll or your your your your magnum opus, only because
Speaker 5: I feel as though you said either, all right, let
Speaker 5: me do his record, and all right, let me challenge
Speaker 5: myself and use thirteen backdrops of drums that no one
Speaker 5: else would even touch, the sumption of old to Billy Joel,
Speaker 5: which was still not in the lexicon of hip hop
Speaker 5: drum producing whatever.
Speaker 2: Why did you purpose? I like, you could have used
Speaker 2: the same drum.
Speaker 5: You could have used scarf snaps I mean, which I
Speaker 5: mean was relatively new there. Why did you use the
Speaker 5: most taboo I would never touch that in a million
Speaker 5: years stuff, none of your contemporaries would touch it.
Speaker 2: Played out might have been the term why did you
Speaker 2: do that?
Speaker 8: That's still my approach even now where I'm like, you
Speaker 8: know what, I've never used to what not drums and
Speaker 8: I'll go, let me do a version of that, or
Speaker 8: I'll go, I never used the what's the.
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Right yet right the same thing. It's like, damn, you
Speaker 8: know it's been out and it had its run, no
Speaker 8: one's really touching it.
Speaker 2: Would you have done that to a gang star record? Yeah?
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know what it is. But just understand you
Speaker 8: understand first of all, when when when Jay Ruin became
Speaker 8: part of our.
Speaker 2: Of our crew.
Speaker 8: I remember when we brand from ourselves left a drum
Speaker 8: set at the Brownstone, So I used to play it
Speaker 8: a lot, you know, and and that's where I started getting,
Speaker 8: you know, because I was decent enough from when Travis
Speaker 8: Scott's father taught me how to drum. So Dab used
Speaker 8: to love the drums because he'd be like, let me
Speaker 8: get on it. How you do it? Dap caught on quick.
Speaker 8: So we used to have little battles just bugging out
Speaker 8: and we did doing a little different rhythms and stuff
Speaker 8: like that. Next thing, you know, you know, we always
Speaker 8: it's always all of us together in this Brownstone, just smoking,
Speaker 8: drinking and a jillion girls in the house just party, party, party, party, party, party, party, party, party,
Speaker 8: every day. Even when we went on to and come home,
Speaker 8: twenty people there, and it wasn't like what are y'all
Speaker 8: doing to get out of the house. It was more like, hey,
Speaker 8: what's up everybody, We're back and yeah, yeah, we would
Speaker 8: leave people in the house.
Speaker 2: Did you lock your room? Yeah?
Speaker 8: Yeah, I locked mine, trust me and so, and they'd
Speaker 8: be like, yeah, locking his door.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, but but he.
Speaker 5: Used to breaking my room and still with my record, still,
Speaker 5: who's that. I'd be like, all, let my passport and
Speaker 5: see my room open cast going through my records already.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but half his record.
Speaker 8: But that's how the foundation even started because we used
Speaker 8: to just bug out it downstairs because that's what the
Speaker 8: kitchen is, where Google's room is. And one day we're
Speaker 8: all just you know, I'd be playing the drums, everybody's
Speaker 8: kicking the verse, and all of a sudden Dad goes
Speaker 8: it's a little dap on the and we were like, yo, happened.
Speaker 8: Because he never wrapped in front of us. It was
Speaker 8: he was always just yeah, yeah, your son, Yeah, look
Speaker 8: at a minute, and you don't get the niggas.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 8: That was now like I just missed it one of
Speaker 8: the box. Okay.
Speaker 2: So yeah, now so was it true that you that
Speaker 2: you went to court for him?
Speaker 8: And yeah, and the judge was like, yo, you know
Speaker 8: he had two gun charges on the under eighteen and
Speaker 8: you know at that time there was very very strict
Speaker 8: on gun charges in New York still and uh, the
Speaker 8: you know what, we he really wanted to box. And
Speaker 8: we told the judge, Judge Bamberger, thank you, Judge Bamberger.
Speaker 8: She was a mean, little white lady, but this tall
Speaker 8: but with an attitude, and she's like, you know, want
Speaker 8: tom box him because he's violent. He's always getting into
Speaker 8: violent stuff. He's always getting getting the rested, getting the
Speaker 8: rested because Melica loves just to get down.
Speaker 2: So she was like, but how tall is he?
Speaker 8: He's short, Yeah, but he will stand up to the
Speaker 8: biggest the meanings.
Speaker 2: You've seen him.
Speaker 8: He does not give a fuck. Ever, he still doesn't.
Speaker 8: I just spoke to him another day. He just came
Speaker 8: home again. You know what I'm saying, that's that's my baby, man.
Speaker 2: Shout shout.
Speaker 8: That's why I call him. I said, baby, he'll call
Speaker 8: him hey, baby. You know he baby, you know, And
Speaker 8: that that's my rest, my bro. So he uh, but yeah,
Speaker 8: if it's on, he's he's ready. It don't matter what is,
Speaker 8: he'll pop it.
Speaker 2: He'll do whatever.
Speaker 8: But he's a great, little, soft hearted kind guy to
Speaker 8: you that. He's very cordial. But if it's a negative situation,
Speaker 8: he's ready for it. So just stay on his good side.
Speaker 2: He loves you.
Speaker 8: He'll be like Chris and he'll talk like a child.
Speaker 8: He'll leave your drums, you know.
Speaker 5: Man.
Speaker 8: But he wanted to box so bad. He was nice.
Speaker 8: So I was like, Judge, why don't you let him
Speaker 8: box because if he can make a profession out of it,
Speaker 8: that's a positive thing. She goes, no, it's violent. She goes,
Speaker 8: have you heard the word Remand I remember she said
Speaker 8: that I'm gonna remand him. She goes, you're in music,
Speaker 8: make him make a record. I was like, but so
Speaker 8: he didn't want to wrap. He would be like, I
Speaker 8: don't want to do this, so he would always disappear.
Speaker 8: So that's why, Gus, what you got?
Speaker 2: How long did it take to make the group on album?
Speaker 8: That was the most heaviest test in It was just
Speaker 8: a lot of just push and pull to get it
Speaker 8: to be that right. Because it is a great album
Speaker 8: for what it time to be, you know, and and
Speaker 8: uh and this is what it was when Jay Rue
Speaker 8: used to do his demos over at blackscrib his Black
Speaker 8: Big Sugar and and and and group. I wasn't even
Speaker 8: wrap and then they were doing the demos over Black's crib.
Speaker 8: That's how it led to gu saying, yo, we should
Speaker 8: start Gangsta Foundation. And he said we should both sign
Speaker 8: three artists. He said I'll sign three, and you signed three,
Speaker 8: and I said, well, who you gonna sign?
Speaker 2: He said, I want Jay.
Speaker 8: Rue, Group, Home and Shug And I was like, all right,
Speaker 8: well I don't have anybody yet, but eventually I'll get somebody,
Speaker 8: So let's start with him. He said, who do you
Speaker 8: think should go first? I said, Jay Rus the one
Speaker 8: is ready. He's got the voice, he's got the cocky attitude.
Speaker 8: You know he used to call himself. He was a
Speaker 8: real fat guy back the back in the day before
Speaker 8: he started doing the martial arts and got really in shape.
Speaker 8: And he was like he used to go up the
Speaker 8: girls going, yo, what's up baby, I'm Porky the pimp.
Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: I want to date he's still doing yo. Yeah, he's good.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yo, oh yeah, and ask you in the
Speaker 2: y'all together. Oh yeah, he's been around him.
Speaker 8: Yo, you want to date? And he said I'm the
Speaker 8: Fat Mac and he said you didn't matter. Fact group
Speaker 8: says that, Oh there goes my man, the Fat Mac
Speaker 8: on the Yeah.
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 8: So like these are the things that really happened. And
Speaker 8: so I was like, Rue is the most ready, let
Speaker 8: me do a demo with him. And I remember Llo
Speaker 8: cool J and Chris Lidi had just left my apartment
Speaker 8: that I was living at at the time to work
Speaker 8: with some LL stuff.
Speaker 2: But it never transpired.
Speaker 8: And uh, for what album U that had to be
Speaker 8: fourteen shots.
Speaker 2: It had to be fourteen shots.
Speaker 8: Yeah, fourteen shots that the dome had pink cookies, right, yeah,
Speaker 8: it was around that time.
Speaker 2: Damn you could have that album. I remember l was like, Yo, smoke,
Speaker 2: smoke a little of that good stuff. Maybe I'll get you.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: We're working on some hot you know. You know, I
Speaker 8: got some joints, some LL joints.
Speaker 2: I'll play it for you. I got some joints, you know.
Speaker 8: But but but but oh yeah, but then there in
Speaker 8: the vault, but in the meantime, since Jay Ruth seemed
Speaker 8: like he was the most ready, that's when we said, well,
Speaker 8: let's put him in on our next album, on Daily Operation.
Speaker 8: And that's what we did on the and that came
Speaker 8: out though, so we were like, yo, we got something.
Speaker 8: You know, these guys got a little little something. So
Speaker 8: that's why I was like, well, since I was specialized
Speaker 8: in the beat, Google, let me do the beats. We
Speaker 8: still split everything down the middle, all the deals, we
Speaker 8: still fifty fifty. Even if he doesn't touch anything on
Speaker 8: the album, I still make sure that Google gets his half.
Speaker 8: You know, people he's are spread spread rumors of not
Speaker 8: even knowing like he was getting more than him.
Speaker 2: It's like no, everything was split down the middle still is.
Speaker 2: Initially Jay Rue was going to be called the dirty
Speaker 2: rotten scoundrel.
Speaker 8: And dirty scandal and the R and B group came out.
Speaker 2: They came out for somebody intro Okay, thank you?
Speaker 8: I mean was mad about that, like yo, that's why
Speaker 8: he said uh on the originally the original don't sing.
Speaker 2: No R N Bay he was doing a jab at them.
Speaker 8: But but with Rue, once we start doing once come
Speaker 8: clean popped off, I just wanted to attack it. Just
Speaker 8: just taking drums and stuff that I knew, what what
Speaker 8: would you know not really be used byody. Nobody's gonna
Speaker 8: take Billy Jean and then take that and just bumm
Speaker 8: and just trickling, you know, and roy A is less clear,
Speaker 8: the sample and the yeah, and you know, everything was
Speaker 8: just rolling. But it wasn't like everything's gonna be just
Speaker 8: break beats or taking you'll like it to or nothing
Speaker 8: like that. They just it was just so taboo though
Speaker 8: they were just coming. It's coming, man, I don't know.
Speaker 5: Again, it was it was so taboo that that at
Speaker 5: that point then I realized, like, oh, I feel like
Speaker 5: that was the first time I realized the value of flipping.
Speaker 8: Hmmm.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because then it's like because.
Speaker 5: When I when I love mental stamina, and I was like, damn,
Speaker 5: Like I never considered Billy Jean breakable, right right, you
Speaker 5: have to take the whole thing. I know there's isolated
Speaker 5: drums there, but he actually made it work. So now
Speaker 5: I gotta I gotta listen to all these records all
Speaker 5: over again and figure out how to recontextualize and make
Speaker 5: it breakable.
Speaker 2: My moment for that was the my unbreakable pre moment
Speaker 2: was when I heard.
Speaker 10: Ten Crack Commandments because I had that record, which I
Speaker 10: don't want to snitch, but yeah.
Speaker 2: Well Leslie Nilsen Nigga Gun.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I like that had Nigga Gun like that, but no,
Speaker 5: I had it, and so I used to just play
Speaker 5: that song original, no, no, yeah, yeah, the.
Speaker 8: Original because those are just program kicks and stands, and
Speaker 8: so I.
Speaker 10: Would just play that song like in the morning, getting
Speaker 10: ready for school whatever. And so then when Life after
Speaker 10: That came out and everybody was like, yo, joint, that's
Speaker 10: the one. That's the one. So you know, we get
Speaker 10: school and we're in the parking lot and my man
Speaker 10: is playing it and the joint comes off.
Speaker 2: Waiting for the rest, I'm like like, yo, that's remember.
Speaker 2: I'm not the only one. I'm like, I'm like no one.
Speaker 8: Else because the way that it's looping is the way
Speaker 8: I was scratching it. Because the drums were already were
Speaker 8: laid and we were doing a promo for Angie Martinez.
Speaker 8: It wasn't for us or we were just doing a
Speaker 8: promo for Angie.
Speaker 2: That was a throat.
Speaker 8: Yeah, listen, it's called Angie Martinez. Used to have a
Speaker 8: just when Angie was like the new hot thing, and
Speaker 8: she was, you know, brand new. Everybody loved Angie, so
Speaker 8: everybody was doing promos for it that were Dope Wu
Speaker 8: tang the Onyx, and they were just so incredible. So
Speaker 8: jay Rue was very popping at the time, and we
Speaker 8: said we're gonna do one because she loved Jr. Was
Speaker 8: damaged so because and so when we were doing it,
Speaker 8: she had a show called The Hot Five at nine. Yeah,
Speaker 8: that's why I'm only scratching nine. It goes one throe
Speaker 8: eight nine, nine o'clock. And then after that I was
Speaker 8: just going.
Speaker 2: One, two, three, four, fives back, three four five.
Speaker 8: I don't go past five until right before the verse
Speaker 8: one of two, three, five, seven, eight, nine, eight nine.
Speaker 8: It wasn't no ten, So that was.
Speaker 2: Martin.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's called the Hot Five.
Speaker 2: I have the song Jesus Christ. All right, you're listening
Speaker 2: to some supreme. We're taking a quick break to.
Speaker 5: Paying bills and get into our final hour with special
Speaker 5: guests DJ Premiere right after this. All right, this is
Speaker 5: our final hour of fanning out with DJ Premier, who
Speaker 5: just revealed to us that some of his.
Speaker 2: Throwaways is some of the greatest things on ever.
Speaker 5: It seems to be a common theme on this show. Yeah,
Speaker 5: just now, I'm not I'm just gonna work on ship
Speaker 5: for two minutes. And god, I had a oh big question.
Speaker 2: Not to cut you.
Speaker 8: So when we did the High five and nine and
Speaker 8: it uh, And how I got to big is because
Speaker 8: Puff was on High ninety seven and that particular day
Speaker 8: she played the promo and I mean she had played
Speaker 8: in many other times, you know, because you mix them
Speaker 8: up and then you know, you still hear somebody else promo.
Speaker 8: A couple of weeks later, he heard that and my
Speaker 8: boy Danny was like, yo uh. He hit me on
Speaker 8: my beeper and was like, yo uh that telling Puff
Speaker 8: is telling you to call him on Hot ninety seven.
Speaker 8: I'm like, for real. He's like yeah, He's like he's
Speaker 8: like turning on and I turn it on and he's
Speaker 8: talking about other stuff and you know, now that deep
Speaker 8: into their interview and then finally he goes prem call me,
Speaker 8: and then I called and that's when when he said,
Speaker 8: yo big once that once that beat, and I was
Speaker 8: like all right, but you know now as Jay Rowe
Speaker 8: is he cool with and he's like yeah, and Jay
Speaker 8: was say, yo, that's hip hop.
Speaker 2: It's all good.
Speaker 8: And then I gave it the big so I just
Speaker 8: muted the it's the callient te Sinco Allen, whoever?
Speaker 13: You know?
Speaker 5: Was that two tracks of the sample because I tried
Speaker 5: to do it at once and can't. In other words,
Speaker 5: because you're using three tones to it. Did you do
Speaker 5: it on two tracks or straight one.
Speaker 8: Track one tracker? But then I put it in my
Speaker 8: sampler and just just made sure I had had a trigger,
Speaker 8: so so I scratched my none at that time. Yes,
Speaker 8: that's the one thing. One time I knew I wanted
Speaker 8: to because when you're doing a live, I was liking
Speaker 8: it so much that I was like, it has to
Speaker 8: sound just like that, And then I went on pro tools.
Speaker 8: Yet you know what I'm saying, I'm still still that's so,
Speaker 8: so I just made so what I do. I used
Speaker 8: to used to click. I still do this. I click
Speaker 8: in my head and just be like and and imagine
Speaker 8: it's the same tempo as the way I wanted to be.
Speaker 8: And then I just told that when you hit the
Speaker 8: record on the sampler, I could go and then yeah,
Speaker 8: I programmed that that way. It's so loose it's like
Speaker 8: I'm doing it by hand, which technically I am.
Speaker 2: Is it is it true that for Biggie, Is it
Speaker 2: true that it was his idea to put the r
Speaker 2: Kelly sample? Yeah?
Speaker 8: Yeah, he was on the way out and he's like, yo,
Speaker 8: put that unbelievable from Mark Kelly. I was like, yea,
Speaker 8: it might not be in tone.
Speaker 2: And I was about decision. I'm very key conscious, you know.
Speaker 8: I'm like, I know you, I'm sure you.
Speaker 2: I was running the decision behind men like it works.
Speaker 2: But oh my god, I always thought that was a woman.
Speaker 8: Calling, which is one of my favorite songs.
Speaker 2: Twelve at the time I had.
Speaker 8: Featuring our Collie Dogs.
Speaker 5: I was like, wow, okay, so can you confirm? Can
Speaker 5: you confirm that that's Patricia Russian?
Speaker 2: Unbelievable? Unbelieve No, okay, wait, wait, wait, wait wait, because
Speaker 2: are you? Are you confirm?
Speaker 5: Just snaps the stabs and I just pitched it. I
Speaker 5: was told that the I thought the stab was from U.
Speaker 2: Yeah, remind me.
Speaker 8: I thought, you'll excuse me, I'm just asked student question.
Speaker 12: I really thought stabs was just like a slang term,
Speaker 12: but that is a real technical term when it comes
Speaker 12: to like it's an.
Speaker 5: Okay, it's that much of an audio when the horns goes.
Speaker 2: The horn stab.
Speaker 8: Yeah that was that wasn't price Russian?
Speaker 2: No, back to square.
Speaker 8: You see, you know what you see if when I
Speaker 8: hit it as a RATTLETT has a little rattle. And
Speaker 8: so I back then, before I could play bass notes
Speaker 8: on a keyboard, I used to just pitch everything on
Speaker 8: the nine fifty. So so if it needs to be
Speaker 8: boom boom boom, I just boom boom boom boom boom
Speaker 8: boom boom boom, and just and just put them on
Speaker 8: the same output so that could cut them. So I
Speaker 8: was just gonna boom boom boom boom boom.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but no, but yeah, are you going to reveal
Speaker 2: what that staff is?
Speaker 8: Come by the studio. I'll load it up because I
Speaker 8: found the I found it.
Speaker 2: I found it. If you.
Speaker 8: Just tell us what it is, that's behind the scenes.
Speaker 8: But come by everything already when you load it up,
Speaker 8: it's automatically on the pads and everything.
Speaker 2: I'll even let you. I'll even let you.
Speaker 8: I'll film you even doing it yourself, and in peace
Speaker 8: is just.
Speaker 2: We know. But yeah, man, And.
Speaker 8: Even that looked like beach again because Peach came from
Speaker 8: Big On calling me going. I was like, Big, I
Speaker 8: don't have time to do a beat and he's like, yo,
Speaker 8: I just need this one for the bat side of
Speaker 8: my single Juicy. And I was like, I don't have time.
Speaker 2: He goes, man, you could do in peach.
Speaker 8: I don't care anything, and I said, okay, come by,
Speaker 8: came by, and because I remember I had remember the legion, Yeah.
Speaker 7: That was.
Speaker 8: He goes another world. I'm a big mother man, and
Speaker 8: I had to go on so it was gonna boom
Speaker 8: boom boom. I'm a big, I'm a I'm a big
Speaker 8: and big.
Speaker 2: I don't like that. And I was like, yo, it's
Speaker 2: dope because you're big and I'm a big. I'm a big.
Speaker 8: I'm a big, big, big, big big And he's like no.
Speaker 2: And then.
Speaker 8: And then that's why he came up with the YO
Speaker 8: user R Kelly. And then that's how Kelly got cool
Speaker 8: because Kelly loved the record because you know that we
Speaker 8: had to go through him to clear it. And then
Speaker 8: then then they started doing every day and you know,
Speaker 8: big just on everything.
Speaker 2: Then after that, that's dope. Man.
Speaker 5: He has any illmatic questions? Is there anything about your
Speaker 5: illment scusions that we don't know?
Speaker 2: Hmmm? Is there?
Speaker 5: Like I've been ready for ready to Die question, because
Speaker 5: the original version of you.
Speaker 2: Want to Be Hardcore? Yeah?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Why even though I like thet the version that's
Speaker 5: on it, why did you ever made it like that?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 8: Wait, I guess what it's called. It's called I don't
Speaker 8: like this remix, That's what it's. I just gave it
Speaker 8: to I just he just asked me for it yesterday
Speaker 8: because he say he's coming next week to New York
Speaker 8: and he's like, anywhere I can get that cause he's
Speaker 8: only got a radio rip and it sounds horrible, and yeah, yeah,
Speaker 8: I'll give it to you. You know, I got the instrument.
Speaker 2: Why don't you like it?
Speaker 8: I just thought it could have been better. You know,
Speaker 8: it's big, you know, and I think everything I've done
Speaker 8: prior to that is better than.
Speaker 2: In that case. What three beat of yours? Are you? Like?
Speaker 2: That's like a stable to us? M hmm, Like I
Speaker 2: don't like Memory Lane? What NAS is like? Yo?
Speaker 8: NAS was making fun of the Reuben Wilson cover because
Speaker 8: look at this, dude, like, like you.
Speaker 2: Know what it sounds like.
Speaker 5: But this is the thing, all right, it's it's it's
Speaker 5: a synesthesia thing for me because it's like when I
Speaker 5: hear it.
Speaker 2: It feels like winter. It feels like.
Speaker 5: It's something about that loop that makes it feel like
Speaker 5: it's winter outside. Like there's certain loops that make you
Speaker 5: see some ship the same way that I saw that
Speaker 5: Funhouse on for Better, I see him sitting on a park.
Speaker 2: It's that's winter like. It's like, I don't know if
Speaker 2: it's yeah, but yeah.
Speaker 8: Well but for one with Memory Lane, I never liked
Speaker 8: it because I thought New York State. I wanted to
Speaker 8: just do New York State of Mind represents even represented.
Speaker 8: That's the remix. The one is on the album is
Speaker 8: a remix.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 8: The original is some baseline jazz sample. I use I
Speaker 8: got the original version. I'll give that too.
Speaker 2: How did you switch at the last one? Represented?
Speaker 8: The first record we did period and uh and after
Speaker 8: I heard I was there at that session, Pete did
Speaker 8: all them scratched than one take.
Speaker 2: We were at that battery.
Speaker 8: Then Q Tip Medal met up with us and Pause
Speaker 8: mixed the Heath Brothers and brought the cassette to NODS
Speaker 8: because I was giving them ride to me that I
Speaker 8: saw Pause tape. I was there. I wasn't when he
Speaker 8: made it. Was that when he brought it to give
Speaker 8: to Nas because I was giving Nas a ride to
Speaker 8: meet up with Puff and I'm giving him a ride.
Speaker 8: And we met up with Tip and he gave the
Speaker 8: cassette and if you hear the cassette, it's going.
Speaker 2: Boom, man.
Speaker 8: So you're just like, what in the fuck is this
Speaker 8: because I didn't know what the Heath Brothers was at
Speaker 8: that time, and it's just like and it's going, you know,
Speaker 8: some of them are on, you.
Speaker 2: Know when you.
Speaker 8: Get four balls tight and then you'll be a little off.
Speaker 2: And no, I was like, yo, man, this is Jesus.
Speaker 8: Yeah. So I was like, yo, man, I gotta change
Speaker 8: his mind because New York state of mind.
Speaker 2: I was happy. I was like, this is what we
Speaker 2: suposed to make. I just like I said, I love.
Speaker 8: When the streets have something that that that that that
Speaker 8: feeds their their pain and anger and stuff, you know.
Speaker 8: So that's why I like it just as gutter as possible,
Speaker 8: so even even when it's melodic. But so with Memory Lane,
Speaker 8: I was just like when I was laughing at the cover,
Speaker 8: he was just like, yeah, he's like this, this dude
Speaker 8: looks funny. And then we heard that dude, he was like, Yo,
Speaker 8: that's it.
Speaker 2: That's it.
Speaker 8: I'm like, nah, that's too happy. He said, no, I
Speaker 8: hooked that up. I'm like, nah, I need some hard stuff.
Speaker 2: That's the thing though, like I feel like you be
Speaker 2: trying to match, especially like in Later. You gotta be
Speaker 2: as gun as them.
Speaker 5: But if you if you think about it, some of
Speaker 5: the most menacing sound in hip hop is when there's
Speaker 5: a contradiction. Yeah, there you go, so that beautiful loop
Speaker 5: over how he's delivering it. It works even when Shook One.
Speaker 5: I'bout to say Shook Ones yet because he and them
Speaker 5: they're not like I thought IRONX was the pinnacle of hardcore,
Speaker 5: and then they come with this like Robert de Niro
Speaker 5: deadpan ship and it stares the ship out of you.
Speaker 5: It works that way, man, like the beautiful ship works with.
Speaker 8: And I put the drums to it and he was like,
Speaker 8: that's it. But the one I heard him spit the
Speaker 8: I rap for listeners, I was like, wow, this is
Speaker 8: kind of cool, but I still was not crazy about it.
Speaker 8: Then once I heard the one love, I was like,
Speaker 8: I'm changing my represent and so I gave I gave
Speaker 8: the new remix and he's.
Speaker 2: Like, no, I go back.
Speaker 8: I just pushed and pushed him, push, like come on, please,
Speaker 8: like let's roll with this one.
Speaker 2: This is the one, this is the one. He was
Speaker 2: like no.
Speaker 5: He totally was like, no, okay, before we wrap up
Speaker 5: one more client, hoo, okay, your your whole process like.
Speaker 8: He for a reasonable doubt, reasonable doubt, he would just
Speaker 8: call me and go, yo, I got this song, and
Speaker 8: he would do the rhyme off of the phone and
Speaker 8: be like, yo, and I want you to do this.
Speaker 8: Dear god, I wonder, say me, I can't you know,
Speaker 8: I can't die. I can't die all that stuff.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 8: I was like, all right, I'll meet you down there.
Speaker 2: He got there.
Speaker 8: I had He's like, that's it, goes in and does it,
Speaker 8: friend of foe. We I was just cause I make
Speaker 8: my beats on the spot. You know, I'm known for that,
Speaker 8: and that's how I've always that's always every time, every time.
Speaker 8: I never be like, yo, his ten beats, pick one.
Speaker 8: I sit there and make it right.
Speaker 12: There.
Speaker 2: Isn't that too much pressure when cats are watching you though,
Speaker 2: It's the only way I know. I thought, that's how
Speaker 2: you do ship.
Speaker 5: You know something, first time ever met you, you were
Speaker 5: making him czach like they don't know. Oh, man, I
Speaker 5: totally forgotten fucking we were with We were with the
Speaker 5: Beat Beat minus making a sound treatment. Remissed the.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, we were.
Speaker 5: And then I kept hearing this bell going off and
Speaker 5: I was we were watching that ship. I totally forgot
Speaker 5: you were like making that right, he's on the spot.
Speaker 8: Yeah and oh the rewinded the nas madic Sean Nicholson,
Speaker 8: who did the Rebel Kings about all the Gangs videos.
Speaker 8: He was a guest on my radio show and he said,
Speaker 8: he said, yo, he said, I got a crazy story
Speaker 8: for you because, like you know, he said, we met before.
Speaker 8: I mean to tell you the story when we go
Speaker 8: on here and he said, yo, he said, you came
Speaker 8: in to give Nas the memory lane dat to let
Speaker 8: him hear the final mix at Chun King. He said,
Speaker 8: I was an intern there and he's said on the
Speaker 8: way out and uh. And they introduced me a z
Speaker 8: all that was there. They just don't likee and bits.
Speaker 2: They played it for me.
Speaker 8: I met Na's father. I watched father go in the
Speaker 8: booth and do the horn part in one take. Well,
Speaker 8: he did a couple of takes, but the one that
Speaker 8: he said this is the one that's the one that
Speaker 8: ended up on the album. But I remember he said, uh,
Speaker 8: he said on the way out, I said, don't forget
Speaker 8: when the phone, when the answer machine goes off, whatever
Speaker 8: you do say I chill.
Speaker 2: He goes, okay, God, and you.
Speaker 8: Know, but for him to be in turn and and
Speaker 8: he said, at that time, it was like, what is it?
Speaker 8: Because I said, no, matter what you do, that's what
Speaker 8: you guys say at the end of the phone of
Speaker 8: the phone message. And he said he got hard to
Speaker 8: earn and heard all right, chand plus starts it off
Speaker 8: and he's like, wow, that's what he was doing. Sh
Speaker 8: Shan Nicholson, which is a dope documentary. Yeah, I watched
Speaker 8: you never seen, never seen rebbel Kings. Check out rubble Kings.
Speaker 8: It's amazing documentary.
Speaker 12: Can I ask Christina agular question?
Speaker 2: Sure, I'm just saying, I just just, oh, George, do
Speaker 2: it now.
Speaker 12: I just need to know because I feel like you
Speaker 12: haven't done with so many R and B albums and
Speaker 12: the full thing like how that happened? Because I know
Speaker 12: she called you up first and what made you go, Yeah,
Speaker 12: well I was I was.
Speaker 8: A fan of her.
Speaker 2: You know, I wasn't a genie in a bottle. You
Speaker 2: know it was.
Speaker 8: It was a cute pop record and it is what
Speaker 8: it is. But when she did Beautiful, even she did
Speaker 8: Dirty with Redman, I was like, she got Redman in
Speaker 8: her video and even even though she had she was
Speaker 8: wearing the skippy chaps and showing up button everything, you know,
Speaker 8: I was just like, you know, it's a Darren.
Speaker 2: Little chick and everything.
Speaker 8: So when it came to them reaching out to me, uh,
Speaker 8: her ex husband Jordi got to get a lot of
Speaker 8: credit because he put her on the Group Home album
Speaker 8: and she was really into the Group Home album. So
Speaker 8: when I met her, she's like, I love the music
Speaker 8: in this Group Home album, the structure, everything, you know.
Speaker 8: I want something like this and that type of a
Speaker 8: vibe but using more jazz type samples or whatever. And
Speaker 8: back in the day, it was the first song we did.
Speaker 2: I love that song. I love that song. I love
Speaker 2: that She cut that in D and D.
Speaker 8: And she came to D and D first, and then uh,
Speaker 8: and I played it the beat because I was like,
Speaker 8: I gotta have something ready, So I got there a
Speaker 8: little early, cooked it up, did it, and then when
Speaker 8: she got there, she was like I like this one
Speaker 8: and and uh, then we went to record plant in
Speaker 8: l A and cut it there. Remember Madonna was in
Speaker 8: run room. Uh, Macy Gray was in another room. Then
Speaker 8: Biscuit was in another room, and Evan Nessen's was in
Speaker 8: another room. And remember cameras all outside because they had
Speaker 8: heard she was getting married and they're waiting to get
Speaker 8: pop Rozzi. So you know, I'm with her all the time.
Speaker 8: And I would even see pictures saying uh with such
Speaker 8: as then and bodyguard, and I'm like, I'm not the bodyguard.
Speaker 8: I got to the car to go grab something of
Speaker 8: the car, and they were like this Christine's bodyguard because
Speaker 8: you know, you know, I guess it's the way my
Speaker 8: statue or whatever. And I'm saying, like, little did they
Speaker 8: know I'm not gonna making the be But back in
Speaker 8: the day was the first one we did. She did
Speaker 8: karade of GUARDI big up to her. She she wrote
Speaker 8: that right on the spot. And she would sit there
Speaker 8: with her little dog, with her little chihuahuah and uh
Speaker 8: and and she would do it on the laptop boom.
Speaker 8: They would go in the room and just vibe together.
Speaker 8: Because Christina has to be involved with the structure and everything.
Speaker 8: She's real meticulous and she cut her vocal real quick.
Speaker 12: The shoutouts in that song are.
Speaker 8: Real, like, yeah, she said do your thing, she said
Speaker 8: do your thing.
Speaker 2: I'm skipping moment of truth.
Speaker 5: I know, I know, but I got it like in
Speaker 5: my mind, I'm like, I got five questions, but there's one.
Speaker 2: For the owners. No hats, dog, Yeah, you started this
Speaker 2: madness revolution. No high hat? Right? What made you even
Speaker 2: think to go there? Yeah?
Speaker 8: Because and did you kind because a person?
Speaker 2: No more high hat?
Speaker 7: No?
Speaker 8: Because in a review a guy said, premieer, you use
Speaker 8: the same high hat all the time, and I was
Speaker 8: offended by it, and I was I was offended by it.
Speaker 8: So I was like, you know what I'm not. It's
Speaker 8: the same thing when I start stop using jazz samples.
Speaker 8: I was like, because everybody keeps thinking saying there were
Speaker 8: jazz rapping. It's like, we're not rapping about jazz where,
Speaker 8: which is why gu always said I'll do the Jazzmatazz
Speaker 8: Project to protect gangs, to different this category because we're
Speaker 8: rapping about regular stuff. So I said, I'm gonna start
Speaker 8: using weird sounds to show that I am a versatile
Speaker 8: beat maker. So I did that on purpose because I
Speaker 8: couldn't take criticism at that time when somebody.
Speaker 2: Was saying it's weird because then everyone followed suit and just.
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's the same high every single record. And I
Speaker 8: was like, so that's why I started going all right now,
Speaker 8: you know, and that was before the Internet. But it's
Speaker 8: just like so I purposely did some spikes.
Speaker 5: But even with skills though, I remember when skills I had.
Speaker 5: I first heard that Tony touch it, played it and
Speaker 5: the rapper dubs never I was like, yo, like the
Speaker 5: fact those drums that was kind of it's not as.
Speaker 8: A regular point where you take it god like. And
Speaker 8: again I do that for people like yourself to get it,
Speaker 8: like I know, quest level get it. I remember when
Speaker 8: before we had already met there, but we got more
Speaker 8: cool when I started hanging with the Angelo because D'Angelo
Speaker 8: was just gotten signed to Crystalist. So because the rest
Speaker 8: of development was our first label mates outside of hip
Speaker 8: hop and then uh and then D'Angelo came. And I
Speaker 8: remember when Lindsey who was a and R there whose
Speaker 8: mother owned Sylvia's, and he was like, YO, tell me
Speaker 8: what you think of this guy from Virginia, And so
Speaker 8: when I.
Speaker 2: Heard it, I was like, Yo, this dude is dope.
Speaker 8: So we had to go on a lot of promo together.
Speaker 8: They had already signed them. They just saying that the legit.
Speaker 8: I'm like yeah to me and Danseelo got this super
Speaker 8: duper cool and then you he started used to always
Speaker 8: say he's getting with you, and he'd always be and
Speaker 8: we get with Jay Diller too, you know, God bless him.
Speaker 8: So I was asked the session when you were leaving,
Speaker 8: when I was about to do Devil' SPI, I would
Speaker 8: just you was on your way out from doing how
Speaker 8: does it feel? You would just laid all the drum
Speaker 8: pards and and he was like.
Speaker 2: Yo, I'm gonna be naked in the video.
Speaker 8: I'm like what, I'm not even thinking. He's like, yeah,
Speaker 8: I got a trainer. I train every day.
Speaker 2: He's got me.
Speaker 8: He's getting me in shape. He said, well, I'm gonna
Speaker 8: be cut And when that ship came out, I was like, damn,
Speaker 8: this motherfucker's ripped. And you know, you know he's on
Speaker 8: the regular shirt and he looked like.
Speaker 5: He cames up in the sea room literally cutting all
Speaker 5: these stuff for Devil's part, like to see it made.
Speaker 5: And me and Dyla are there like he's the reason
Speaker 5: why double trouble exists when things fall apart because they
Speaker 5: were all just like playing each other sit knock each
Speaker 5: other out, and I had nothing that I was like,
Speaker 5: I need a song, God damn, so don't show love
Speaker 5: my life.
Speaker 2: Use a lot of vocal samples.
Speaker 9: Do you have a like a book that was just
Speaker 9: like everything where you just have it all up here,
Speaker 9: like because you just seem to be able to find
Speaker 9: the most perfect vocal samples for every song.
Speaker 8: Based on either the rhyme or what the song is about,
Speaker 8: or the title any of those that it's stuff will
Speaker 8: just come to me going, oh so and so said that.
Speaker 8: And then sometimes it won't work. The drums from the
Speaker 8: sample might before you force you can hear the drums
Speaker 8: from the original sample come in and it won't fit.
Speaker 8: And sometimes and I called the other thing I called
Speaker 8: called force fiting, like, you know, let me see if
Speaker 8: I can force fit it, and if I can forcefit
Speaker 8: where it doesn't sound really messed up, like with Master Appeal,
Speaker 8: with with the Youngster's Remix, you can hear all the
Speaker 8: yeah and and it worked, and I just said, stand
Speaker 8: out ticket all.
Speaker 2: There's a block dedicated to every a cappella he ever
Speaker 2: cut in. His crew's a block really and it's not
Speaker 2: even called in this business of wow.
Speaker 10: I'm sorry you okay, okay, a Guru, So where were
Speaker 10: you when you found out he passed? And what was
Speaker 10: the what was the relationship between Guru and Solar like
Speaker 10: and you know that dynamic?
Speaker 2: Like what was that all about? Because it just looked weird,
Speaker 2: very very weird.
Speaker 8: I won't talk about him too much, but what I
Speaker 8: what I can say is just because he's not worthy
Speaker 8: of the energy. But but for one when he passed,
Speaker 8: I remember I had just seen him in the hospital,
Speaker 8: which I got to thank Guru's nephew and both of
Speaker 8: his nephews, Justin and Denzel.
Speaker 2: Denzel's his is his young nephew.
Speaker 8: Denzel is the one that's like, yo, I just went
Speaker 8: the song because then there was a list of people
Speaker 8: that couldn't come in there because the whole healthcare proxy
Speaker 8: and stuff.
Speaker 2: Assigned the old boy.
Speaker 8: So when when it came to I wasn't gonna go
Speaker 8: see him, I was just like, you know what, I
Speaker 8: just hope he pulls through. I hope he pulled through
Speaker 8: because I already spoken to his father and his father
Speaker 8: was keeping me up. I wasn't even on Twitter yet.
Speaker 8: Buster and q Tip were the ones that were on
Speaker 8: my behalf tweeting, Yo, just doctor prem that's not true.
Speaker 8: He's not you know, he didn't have a heart he didn't.
Speaker 2: He never had a heart attack.
Speaker 8: He had a cardiac arrest from an asthma attack, and
Speaker 8: he induced him into a coma to prevent him from dying.
Speaker 8: He just did not recover from that because you have
Speaker 8: to send signals to the brain to get your nerves cracking,
Speaker 8: and there was nothing but silence in the room every day.
Speaker 8: And and people that would they said, music, voices and
Speaker 8: things that he loves will trigger his brain to get them.
Speaker 8: He'll snap out of coma and.
Speaker 2: Go back to normal.
Speaker 8: He never woke up ever, so all that I'm up
Speaker 8: and to my fans that and that didn't happen.
Speaker 7: No.
Speaker 8: So uh So, when it came to going to the hospital,
Speaker 8: Denzel went because their family members and they were they
Speaker 8: were Ghru's father was able to override the the illegal
Speaker 8: people at the hospital because he got the power and
Speaker 8: you know, you know, he's Supreme Court judge and he
Speaker 8: got that to happen where they could go in. You know,
Speaker 8: So when Denzel went Denzel called me and was like, Yo,
Speaker 8: you need to go to the hospital.
Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, I'm not gonna get in.
Speaker 8: He goes, I don't care.
Speaker 2: There is a young kid.
Speaker 8: He's like, I don't care, but you need to be there.
Speaker 8: Out of anybody else. You need to go, and the
Speaker 8: way he said it, and I go, and I still
Speaker 8: was like, nah, I'm good man. I'm just gonna pray
Speaker 8: every day everything goes good.
Speaker 2: He goes, pream find a way. That's what he said,
Speaker 2: and the way he said it.
Speaker 8: I was like, all right, I'm going Monday and I
Speaker 8: can call two of my guys and said they two
Speaker 8: of my guys had already seen him through certain circumstances
Speaker 8: when they took justin up there, so being he got
Speaker 8: in there through the right bit, you know, he was
Speaker 8: allowed in and he got to see him, and he
Speaker 8: was telling me what he looked like and all that stuff. Now,
Speaker 8: they they came with me just in case, you know.
Speaker 8: So I was like, let's see if we can get
Speaker 8: in there. We got there, they stopped me and was like, yeah,
Speaker 8: can help me. And then they're like, where are you going?
Speaker 8: Because I was already told with room to sixty eight
Speaker 8: and I was like, uh to sixty eight and and
Speaker 8: Guru's father said, if they turn you down asked for
Speaker 8: a health care I mean a proxy advocate, they can't
Speaker 8: deny you and then they know you're on your ship.
Speaker 8: I said, until I asked for a proxy advocate, because
Speaker 8: the first day when I said, you know what room
Speaker 8: going to, they're looking.
Speaker 2: At listen, you can't go in and whatever.
Speaker 8: That's what the proxy advocate said. It's gonna be a
Speaker 8: half an hour to an hour. And I said, I'll wait.
Speaker 2: Waited, wait to wait, to wait to wait.
Speaker 8: It getting to the point where I'm getting restless. Where
Speaker 8: I want to go in it's not working. This dude,
Speaker 8: this black guy rolls in in a wheelchair and starts
Speaker 8: he starts cursing up the information desk. God, I want
Speaker 8: to see my doctor right now, and he's causing a
Speaker 8: ruckus where now no one's really kind of paying attention.
Speaker 8: I I go around Uh, I go around the back first,
Speaker 8: but because I'm like, maybe there's another way to get
Speaker 8: into the side. This dude's out there. He taking a
Speaker 8: lunch break. Black guy taking a lunch break. He works
Speaker 8: in the morgue and uh, of all places, gru's allowed.
Speaker 8: This is this before you pass. Dude's working in the morgue,
Speaker 8: sitting there and he's like uh. I was like, yo, man,
Speaker 8: you know who I am. And he's like yeah yeah,
Speaker 8: and he's like, anyway you can get me in, get
Speaker 8: me in.
Speaker 2: You know what he says.
Speaker 8: He says, if he liftsen to my demo, wow, wow, And.
Speaker 2: You know what I said, I will listen to you.
Speaker 2: I will listen to your owl.
Speaker 8: Just whatever you could do. He said, Well, you gotta
Speaker 8: be back in a certain aunt that he said, I'll
Speaker 8: be back, he said, but you had to give me
Speaker 8: a minute. Man, he would be broke out. When we waiting,
Speaker 8: we're like by trash, dumpster entrances and stuff, and and
Speaker 8: he's like he takes forever to come and now my
Speaker 8: my gut, which I always tell you you gotta go
Speaker 8: with your gut. I was like, man, this is to
Speaker 8: where I'm just gonna say forget it. But I'm not
Speaker 8: really a quitter type dude and give up. And I
Speaker 8: was just like, man, I gotta just do it my way.
Speaker 8: And he's taking too long. And I told I told
Speaker 8: Black was with me and my homie Eon, and I
Speaker 8: was like, yo, if the dude doesn't come about fifteen
Speaker 8: minutes after and I'm watching my clock hard. I'm gonna
Speaker 8: do it my way, and if that don't work, I'm out.
Speaker 8: Because they had already gone in to see him and
Speaker 8: they got by, you know, so that they's got to
Speaker 8: see him see him. This was he on the second
Speaker 8: time because he came to hold Justin down just case
Speaker 8: of these problems. So, uh, when when I go back in,
Speaker 8: they're doing construction on the bathroom and interest, so being
Speaker 8: at the construction in the bathroom was being worked on.
Speaker 2: You have to go.
Speaker 8: You have to pretty much be let in if you
Speaker 8: need to use the bathroom. Here's the hospital. They got
Speaker 8: it pretty much onto that. I was like, I really
Speaker 8: got to go to the bathroom and anywhere I can go.
Speaker 8: She goes, listen, you go around to the eleven, go
Speaker 8: all the way to the end of the hall. But
Speaker 8: I'm gonna be timing you to come back. And she said,
Speaker 8: so go to the bathroom.
Speaker 2: Come back.
Speaker 8: Right when I'm going to the bathroom. There's the gift shop,
Speaker 8: you know, you boy flyers all that stuff for people,
Speaker 8: and the elevators right there.
Speaker 2: As soon as I look at the elevator.
Speaker 8: I see it's going four three two, and I'm like,
Speaker 8: I gotta do this because they're so busy with that
Speaker 8: guy still yelling.
Speaker 2: Even after all that time I went outside to the dumps.
Speaker 8: And everything, that guy still I want to see my doctor,
Speaker 8: you know, he's still doing that boom. Next thing, you know,
Speaker 8: a family of like five or six people, big family,
Speaker 8: football player size, all come to the elevator and I'm like,
Speaker 8: you know, I duck behind the because the guys like
Speaker 8: for at least six five, and you know, the wife
Speaker 8: is a big girl and she's got like three or
Speaker 8: four kids and they're all kind of big. So I
Speaker 8: kind of go in with them, and he goes.
Speaker 2: With floor and I go too. He goes, oh, we're
Speaker 2: going to two. I was like, good because now they
Speaker 2: can block me.
Speaker 8: Soon we get on the floor. The nurse, you know,
Speaker 8: because it's still they think I'm going to the bathroom.
Speaker 8: Soon as we get on the floor, we go. I
Speaker 8: follow them, and I'm just thinking to sixty eight, two,
Speaker 8: sixty eight too.
Speaker 2: Sixty eight.
Speaker 8: The nurse comes up and gets up. She's like, excuse me,
Speaker 8: can I help you all yous? He goes, yeah, we're
Speaker 8: seeing such and such and such and such.
Speaker 2: And you go room no, but they said two sixty nine.
Speaker 8: She goes follow them. Yeah, yeah, so she.
Speaker 2: To sixty eight.
Speaker 8: Two sixty nine. She goes following me. So I'll let
Speaker 8: them walk in and I go and I back up
Speaker 8: and then slide in the in the room. And I
Speaker 8: had my mama the True CD and my Gang Star
Speaker 8: shirt and I went in there and you know, and
Speaker 8: pulled the cover down, and I wanted to see what
Speaker 8: he looked like if he's been kept, because you know,
Speaker 8: when you're in the hospital, either you pay them to
Speaker 8: clean your fingers, wash you up and all that, or
Speaker 8: you gotta do it. It wasn't I even asked, is
Speaker 8: he on the thing to be cleaned up? And they're like,
Speaker 8: you no family members gotta do it.
Speaker 2: So, you know, once I saw he was dirty, you know,
Speaker 2: nails all, you know, just just not clean all this stuff.
Speaker 8: I'm just like, and he's just laying there, his eyes open,
Speaker 8: but they're just because and he's on the uh the ventilator. Yes,
Speaker 8: I was doing ah, you know that, and you know,
Speaker 8: so that's going on, and he's just he's looking up
Speaker 8: like he's awake, you know, son, he's already brained it.
Speaker 8: And you know so because maybe it was almost three
Speaker 8: weeks after I seen him and uh, and so you know,
Speaker 8: I just it was just me and him. And it's
Speaker 8: crazy because me I talked to doctor Dre about this,
Speaker 8: like with the easy thing. It's almost like that same
Speaker 8: type of thing, man, because I just talked to him,
Speaker 8: put the shirt on him, saying, yo, you know what
Speaker 8: this is all about. You know, I'll forever rerap this.
Speaker 8: And and I wanted to put the CD under his uh,
Speaker 8: under his mattress, but then the nurse walks in and said, hey,
Speaker 8: you're not supposed to be in here. You gotta leave.
Speaker 8: And I said, man, listen, and I showed her the cover, like, look,
Speaker 8: this is us. This is the reason why I just
Speaker 8: wanted to come in and see him. She goes, look,
Speaker 8: got five minutes and she let me have my time,
Speaker 8: said what I had to dude, kissed him, walked out.
Speaker 8: Never saw him again until Static Selector called me like
Speaker 8: six in the morning and he's like, please don't say
Speaker 8: it's true, cause were already been getting Please don't say
Speaker 8: it's true.
Speaker 2: And it was false alarm. So this one when I
Speaker 2: called his sister and she was like I did. I
Speaker 2: could see hearing her voice like.
Speaker 8: Don't, don't, don't, don't say anything getting I can't confirm that,
Speaker 8: you know, because we were all in touch with each
Speaker 8: other now and she's just like, I can't get confirmed yet.
Speaker 8: Let me get back to you. I'm hearing the same thing,
Speaker 8: but I don't believe it, you know.
Speaker 2: And I was like, all right, I'm gonna just wait
Speaker 2: for you. And then then it got confirmed.
Speaker 8: Plus the great thing was his father, you know, was
Speaker 8: able to obtain the body, get it back to Boston,
Speaker 8: and he was like, he gave a funeral. Key was there,
Speaker 8: the whole Gangster foundation was there. All of us met
Speaker 8: up and came together, and he had a private funeral
Speaker 8: privately maybe good two three hundred people, maybe it was. Yeah,
Speaker 8: he had it on the campus. Marry two other people,
Speaker 8: the clocks in the elms. That's to both sides of
Speaker 8: the family. And his father called me and said, I'm
Speaker 8: running everything, and you know, Judge iling you listening.
Speaker 2: He's a stern dude.
Speaker 8: I knew him when I iced to stay at their
Speaker 8: house way when we were just on our first album
Speaker 8: before Stepping Arena. Staying at the Elim's house and all
Speaker 8: that stuff in Boston. So I've been around around and
Speaker 8: his father said, I need you and sugar with sugar Bear.
Speaker 2: Back in the day. He said, I need you and
Speaker 2: sugar Bear to speak, he said.
Speaker 8: He and when he brought us on stage to speak,
Speaker 8: the first thing he said is I don't care what
Speaker 8: my son went through ever. All I know is him
Speaker 8: and this man and sug was the best part of
Speaker 8: his career, he said. And that's why they're here, and
Speaker 8: I want them to speaking. And we spoke and I
Speaker 8: told crumb little jokes and had everybody laughing. You know,
Speaker 8: just crazy girl used to do, you know, because he's
Speaker 8: to steal my clothes. And since he's so small, since
Speaker 8: he so you know, he's real skinny, he's real skinny.
Speaker 8: So like you know, you know, I've seen him with
Speaker 8: no clothes. He a bony kids, but very well athletic,
Speaker 8: get built, six pack stomach, you got, you got got,
Speaker 8: he got the physique and everything. But he used to
Speaker 8: wear sweatpants, you know, the cotton ones. And then so
Speaker 8: you wouldn't see the sweatpants coming out the bottom, he
Speaker 8: would put rubber bands around the ankles so that they
Speaker 8: would stay stay held and he would put my pants on,
Speaker 8: so I've come back to the house and be like,
Speaker 8: where's all my pants at? And he'd come in later
Speaker 8: on from working stuff because he was a caseworker as well,
Speaker 8: and he's got my shoes on, my pants on, my
Speaker 8: jack and my shirt and then he would always go
Speaker 8: all Premiere ship, all premier shit, burn up man like
Speaker 8: like that became that became a that became a regular thing.
Speaker 8: That became a regular thing. But yeah, but as far
Speaker 8: as when they connected was close to when the owners
Speaker 8: happened shot the Black Jesus. Who really is where the
Speaker 8: connection came from? Because they were they were doing work
Speaker 8: together and uh things. You know what, we always saw
Speaker 8: the strangeness too, but we always ignored it.
Speaker 11: You know.
Speaker 2: It was just like.
Speaker 8: You know what we when Google did Ill Kid.
Speaker 2: And uh uh Ball had slip Project.
Speaker 8: He always had a string of producers that would do
Speaker 8: the do beasts for him, So we just figured he
Speaker 8: just another one of those guys. And then it just
Speaker 8: got to a point where as time built, I mean,
Speaker 8: you really noticed that the the us being around each
Speaker 8: other was very very minimal, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 8: The same people that you pretty much saw all the
Speaker 8: time was around around us and we didn't travel with us,
Speaker 8: nothing like that except one time to Colorado.
Speaker 2: So the other the Owners was doing like so that
Speaker 2: was Owners was four three three three.
Speaker 8: On tour with taller Quality and Uh and yeah, Tyler
Speaker 8: quality Common. No, it was common Electric circus to and
Speaker 8: Uh and Quality opened up. And that's when Quality was
Speaker 8: bringing Kanye. We're like, why you keep bringing Kanye to
Speaker 8: the tour. He said, because he gave me my first
Speaker 8: hit record and he didn't charge me for it, So
Speaker 8: now I'm bringing him because he's in. And then Kanye
Speaker 8: told me that day, Yo, I'm about to start rapping.
Speaker 8: He said, I'm about to do an album and it's
Speaker 8: gonna be called College Dropout and he said premiere, it's
Speaker 8: gonna go double platinum. I was looking at him like, man,
Speaker 8: that's a cocky thing to say, but I ain't doubt it.
Speaker 2: I hope it up. I'm gonna be bigger than you want.
Speaker 8: And watch and man it happened. College Dropout just popped off.
Speaker 8: But yeah, we saw the strangeness and it was weird
Speaker 8: to all of us. So it ain't just us, it's
Speaker 8: everybody you know, And then you know even just the
Speaker 8: people's just spreading stupid stuff about like we were hating
Speaker 8: on the situation. It's like, no, everybody's grown men. Whatever
Speaker 8: you just said, you choose to do is what you
Speaker 8: choose to do. Just tell the truth as far as
Speaker 8: what's going on with with with the how you represent yourself.
Speaker 8: But as far as not like the gay rooms and
Speaker 8: all that, that part I didn't believe it.
Speaker 2: I never believe that that prot I wasn't worried about it.
Speaker 8: That was all just nonsense because everybody but I understood
Speaker 8: why people were like, well it's a weird relationship. But
Speaker 8: that part I never was like, well, damn, maybe changed. Nah,
Speaker 8: he was still Gool, just just in a different mental
Speaker 8: space where he that wasn't him. You know, the way
Speaker 8: he was looking, the way he was dressing. I know
Speaker 8: Goo when to get Goo had his own style. I
Speaker 8: started seeing the similarities and dress and everything.
Speaker 2: I was just like, this is not my dude.
Speaker 8: So even when people post certain pictures of him, I'm like,
Speaker 8: that's the that's afterwards. I don't acknowledge any of those
Speaker 8: pictures and none of that.
Speaker 10: By the time, by the time when when him and
Speaker 10: Solo working together, was Google getting clean at that time.
Speaker 2: I heard it. He was drink.
Speaker 8: He's gotten cleaner several times. And one of the first
Speaker 8: times he got clean, you can vouch for this was
Speaker 8: when we were in Seattle and he spassed out hard
Speaker 8: body on stage. It was the second time he did it,
Speaker 8: because the first time he was flipping, uh was Roode Yeah,
Speaker 8: Rhode Island, but the one that he filmed, and we
Speaker 8: showed Guru on the tour bus, this is how you
Speaker 8: look when you wild out. And he remember we kept
Speaker 8: we were all playing cards, and we used to play
Speaker 8: cards every day and be you know, pugging out, laughing,
Speaker 8: some people watching movies, almost playing video games. And Goos
Speaker 8: is still staring watching what he looks like on stage
Speaker 8: because he's never seen himself that wild and out on
Speaker 8: you know, in that And the next day he quit,
Speaker 8: he quit drinking, quit drinking, so he would he and
Speaker 8: he real laps, yeah, but he was still he still
Speaker 8: quit again again, then started back. He quit again. So
Speaker 8: when Kess is talking about yeah, yeah, we got him clean,
Speaker 8: it's like, no, we got him cleaning. We watched him
Speaker 8: watch that tape, you know what I'm saying, and he
Speaker 8: would not stop rewinding.
Speaker 2: And this is not DVD.
Speaker 8: This is like when you got to go you know,
Speaker 8: this ain't DVD era, And he kept over and over watching.
Speaker 8: He was wilding that day at that show. It's crazy,
Speaker 8: you know, shout out to uh Goldie. He got into
Speaker 8: a fight with Goldie. I had to break It's It's
Speaker 8: one of the craziest nights ever in Seattle. And anybody
Speaker 8: that was there even calm and will tell you that
Speaker 8: was a crazy night.
Speaker 2: And we got it all on tape.
Speaker 8: So that was the day and the next day is
Speaker 8: when he stopped drinking.
Speaker 2: From that day.
Speaker 8: That's why I was like, man, not they got him
Speaker 8: got him well? No, we got him well first.
Speaker 2: And that was why I was touring the owners. So
Speaker 2: by this relationship, y'all were still, but were.
Speaker 8: Still when we're rocking, because we always would have drama
Speaker 8: over some nonsense nonsense, never nothing like really really substantial nonsense.
Speaker 8: And even then it's like this is not worth it,
Speaker 8: you know, because I'm always it's not worth a god,
Speaker 8: because I don't want to.
Speaker 2: Fight and beat up my boys.
Speaker 8: That's my dude, and he's not he's not my size,
Speaker 8: he's not he'll he'll throw it, he throw down, he
Speaker 8: will knuckle.
Speaker 2: Up me and he doesn't care what size you are.
Speaker 8: But I don't want to fight him. That's my partner.
Speaker 8: But all the fights we've had, it's always went to love.
Speaker 8: I love you, my nigga, let's go and and that's
Speaker 8: his line.
Speaker 2: I love you man, I love you.
Speaker 8: You'll let's go out and we'll go out and celebrate,
Speaker 8: getting get drunk and come back. But now he's the
Speaker 8: happy drunk, he's the best.
Speaker 2: I'm the nicest.
Speaker 8: Oh no, no, no, that's what he's mad. And you're
Speaker 8: still not bad that they can't outrap me. But yeah,
Speaker 8: but but but yeah, it's like the thing that really
Speaker 8: touched me the most when his father said I need
Speaker 8: y'all there. I need the two of you there. If
Speaker 8: not anybody else, do you two, and that that was
Speaker 8: a big deal. Even when his father died, his father
Speaker 8: wanted to make it to his ninety first birthday or
Speaker 8: his ninetieth birthday. I think it was ninety first, could
Speaker 8: be one of the it's either ninety or ninety one.
Speaker 8: He was doing really bad just after grew had passed,
Speaker 8: and he said, if I can make it to my
Speaker 8: birthday party, Even the doctors told him no, don't do
Speaker 8: the party here?
Speaker 2: Really not well?
Speaker 8: He said no, if I can have this party, I'm
Speaker 8: ready to die, you know. And so the day he passed,
Speaker 8: I had to go to Switzerland to do Switzerland do
Speaker 8: a festival, and when he passed, they were having the
Speaker 8: service the following day and I asked his sister, Trisha,
Speaker 8: shout out to her. She's a soldier man, Trisha, I
Speaker 8: asked her, Hey, is it anyway I could go to
Speaker 8: the funeral home and go see your dad before I
Speaker 8: go to Europe, because I don't want to miss the funeral.
Speaker 8: But I really can't back out of the gig because
Speaker 8: I had already canceled one when I had my knee surgery.
Speaker 8: And I've never canceled a gig in my life. And
Speaker 8: they were letting you, I don't want to be one
Speaker 8: known for you know how I get my artists don't
Speaker 8: show up. They started to say, oh, yeah, do a
Speaker 8: video showing that you're here because we want to make sure.
Speaker 8: But I did all full video showing at my knee
Speaker 8: I just had surgery, and they said it was I
Speaker 8: could have a blood clot and had a heart attack
Speaker 8: on the plane because it was too close to my surgery.
Speaker 8: So when his father passed and they were having the
Speaker 8: service the next day, she said, I'll call on your
Speaker 8: path and tell him it's okay for you to go
Speaker 8: see him. She said, you and Shug, and uh. So
Speaker 8: I called Shug and I said, listen, my flight's the
Speaker 8: same day to go to Europe. I'll catch a quick
Speaker 8: shuttle to Boston see him and then fly back to
Speaker 8: New York and then get on the plane in Europe.
Speaker 8: And that's exactly what I did, and met Shug, showed me,
Speaker 8: pick me up at the airport. We got to the
Speaker 8: funeral home and they were like, hey, we got them
Speaker 8: to a point where you could see him when song.
Speaker 8: First thing I said was thank you so much for
Speaker 8: giving me your son. And you know, we just stood
Speaker 8: there for a while, just talked around him and you know,
Speaker 8: rubbed his hand, gave him a kiss, and then I
Speaker 8: went back and got on the plane, transferred to know
Speaker 8: the airline and went on the road. But I felt
Speaker 8: like I got that that was a certain part of
Speaker 8: closure I needed. That's why, you know, And again I
Speaker 8: wanted to thank him even in the even though he
Speaker 8: had sold it already left. I was like, I gotta
Speaker 8: touch him.
Speaker 5: Well, Primo, thank you for making our dreams come true. Yeah,
Speaker 5: but I mean just that it's just just a chance
Speaker 5: to fan out. I mean, there's definitely enough for it
Speaker 5: to Jesus Christ. Mean, get to the half of your
Speaker 5: production work and the breaks and shout out to the breakdown.
Speaker 8: Since I scored it all, I've seen them all.
Speaker 5: Well, thank you very much. Yes, I appreciate your work.
Speaker 5: Thank you, DJ Premiere, Lady.
Speaker 8: Thanks for having me. Everybody in enough respect to both
Speaker 8: of all all of the accomplished artists that I'm a
Speaker 8: fan of. You know, I'm a big fan of both
Speaker 8: of you. Quests you already know. And uh and we'll
Speaker 8: be able to work on records with this man like
Speaker 8: to oh my gosh, yeah and uh yeah man shout
Speaker 8: the Dan Charna's the seats man and all the casts
Speaker 8: man man Antoine Harris. Uh, it's so many Taylor too,
Speaker 8: She's she's good. Yes, yeah, all right, one love y'all.
Speaker 2: All right.
Speaker 5: This is a superstar group home produced by the Great
Speaker 5: DJ Premiere on Quest Love Supreme on Pandora.
Speaker 2: About that poring in the ghetto.
Speaker 13: It's hard to survive somehow, a chief that many from
Speaker 13: a shot, but I real biz, which life to choose?
Speaker 13: I want to make money, so I got a pad too.
Speaker 13: But there's no brutal and you only have one chance.
Speaker 2: If you use your face.
Speaker 13: The circumstance at night, I used to scream a shout
Speaker 13: living in the ghetto, trying to get the hell out.
Speaker 2: So watch my friends got I was superstar shout out.
Speaker 2: The cameo, uh dog.
Speaker 5: Now now now that we're in reflection time, there's so
Speaker 5: many questions that I forgot to ask him.
Speaker 2: Man, mostly samples. I man, the.
Speaker 5: Freaking unbelievable sample. Yeah, I hate him for that. Man,
Speaker 5: I'm gonna have to go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what that. You just got to
Speaker 2: go go to the studio, find out what is, and
Speaker 2: report back to us. That's all I think.
Speaker 5: Even then he was like, he'll give me the stab,
Speaker 5: but just won't tell me what it is from which
Speaker 5: it came.
Speaker 2: He's so old school with it.
Speaker 5: I'm like said, he said. All the pads are laid
Speaker 5: out right there, so you just gotta go. You can
Speaker 5: find out what the sample is. I just want to
Speaker 5: go to sleep at night. I don't want to redo
Speaker 5: this song.
Speaker 2: I don't know. You don't have to redo the song.
Speaker 9: Just go and hit one pad in the next pad
Speaker 9: and then you're like, oh, by the third one, you
Speaker 9: should have it figured out.
Speaker 10: I still believe that it's you remind me, you remidy.
Speaker 10: If you think it's you remind me, I would say
Speaker 10: that you got to recreate it. Then if you can
Speaker 10: recreate it, off you remind me, then challenge.
Speaker 2: Yeah, tap on.
Speaker 10: But but you know he said it and you remind me,
Speaker 10: so was it well? You know right, yeah, this was
Speaker 10: on taken no loops, man, you know what I mean?
Speaker 10: But no, man, pre black Dog. He's so like just
Speaker 10: working with him, he does you saw them old school
Speaker 10: like he is very old school. He still very much
Speaker 10: operates like it's still in a good way, you know
Speaker 10: what I mean. Like it's just well, he's true.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 9: I just realized something else. We forgot to talk about
Speaker 9: the Limp Biscuit record. Oh I forgot about the balls. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 9: I just hope he got paid very well for that,
Speaker 9: because to the front, it was too good. It was
Speaker 9: too good for Limp Biscuit. It should have been a
Speaker 9: Method Man solo record.
Speaker 2: We could. Man, we forgot, well not forgot, but uh
Speaker 2: we the Black Eyed Peas.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, BP Empire and I forgot to ask him
Speaker 8: about in this business of rap. So we still haven't
Speaker 8: figured out what that what that sample is?
Speaker 2: What evers?
Speaker 5: I don't have like half the acapella's he does like
Speaker 5: and it's not like m P or like it's where
Speaker 5: are these records coming from?
Speaker 2: That? The copellas you know, one that's always also bugged me.
Speaker 9: It's it's not primo, but it's a high text The
Speaker 9: Sun God the Common record Common Sense in a.
Speaker 2: Ghetto in Chicago, Like that's too perfect for a common
Speaker 2: to perfect. Somebody made that one. Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 10: I don't know that the one I know for the
Speaker 10: one he just did the record with God, the Dre
Speaker 10: record the Animals that on Compton.
Speaker 2: I listened to that album Animal Animals is the one.
Speaker 2: I'm with you. Animals is that one is dope? He chop.
Speaker 5: Okay, this is supreme, but nah, he chopped up some
Speaker 5: It's like some guy from Detroit, Like he samples a
Speaker 5: lot of like Indie twelve inch like Sandbox out of
Speaker 5: Man right right right, Like he does a lot of that. Well,
Speaker 5: I just want to know what his filing system is,
Speaker 5: Like he just listen. I don't believe that he's got
Speaker 5: it all in his head because it's like he has
Speaker 5: to take time to figure out loops, figure out drums,
Speaker 5: and now figure out a cappella's and practice scratching them shits.
Speaker 5: That's like four extra jobs.
Speaker 10: I think he I can believe it because Knife is
Speaker 10: like that to a degree, Like Knife will pull like
Speaker 10: vocal samples and stuff like you know, cut he would.
Speaker 10: I think sometimes it comes to them as they're making
Speaker 10: the beat and it's just kind of recall, you know
Speaker 10: what I mean, like this will sound good with that.
Speaker 5: So see if any memories of because you engineered for
Speaker 5: some of the people that don't know Sugar Steve was
Speaker 5: a full time engineer at Electric Ladies Studios during the
Speaker 5: time of d'angelo's Voodoo Album and some other things. Actually,
Speaker 5: you did two primo songs. You did you track uh
Speaker 5: for common Uh the Sun God one he was just
Speaker 5: talking about.
Speaker 2: I was for that. Oh that's right, high technology, that's right.
Speaker 5: By that point we were just you know, everything was
Speaker 5: getting done on Electric Lady. But you also for the
Speaker 5: Sixth Sense. Oh yeah, you were there for that, and
Speaker 5: you were there for Devil's Pie.
Speaker 7: I'm actually on the skit with you right after the
Speaker 7: sixth sense or right before it.
Speaker 5: Right before the Yeah, what is that you dis retrospect
Speaker 5: me like that? I was like going, I'm the worst
Speaker 5: at making skits. And of course I even said later,
Speaker 5: you know, someone called Prince Paul up to do these
Speaker 5: skits correct, because.
Speaker 2: You know, it was a last thing on my mind.
Speaker 2: But do you have any memories of a primo like well, yeah.
Speaker 7: The Devil's Pie sessions are very memorable because I had
Speaker 7: never seen anything like that, you know, being done by even.
Speaker 5: Remember a stack of record, like he had his stack
Speaker 5: of records, like it was at least one hundred deep,
Speaker 5: and he was just going through stuff. Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope,
Speaker 5: nope no. And after a while, like I after forty
Speaker 5: five minutes, and I just went into the break.
Speaker 7: Room and are you talking about for when he was
Speaker 7: putting the scratches on? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean yeah,
Speaker 7: he kept coming up with the slice.
Speaker 2: And the pie and yeah, you know, the whole trying
Speaker 2: to eat.
Speaker 7: And yeah, I've just never seen anything done like that,
Speaker 7: you know, by anybody.
Speaker 2: And then and we were doing on two inch, Yeah,
Speaker 2: we're doing on.
Speaker 13: So it was.
Speaker 5: Just the amount of precision. That that's when we realized.
Speaker 5: That's when I realized, like, oh, dude's not normal.
Speaker 2: He's really no, he's not. He's really not. And it
Speaker 2: sounds even though it sounds, uh simple, it's really hard
Speaker 2: to damn.
Speaker 5: Now I'm thinking of all these things now, I want
Speaker 5: to ask him why he uses deep snares instead of
Speaker 5: crack snaes with the exception of coming.
Speaker 2: For that ass which it was blindellity. Yeah, like that
Speaker 2: was a departure for him. But it's like next week anyway.
Speaker 2: Anything else we want to.
Speaker 10: Wish we could have asked them, man, I think we Well,
Speaker 10: I want to get into Uh so here's second album.
Speaker 2: Rath of the Math physical stamina. I did not like
Speaker 2: physical stamina. I appreciate physical stamina. Now you know what
Speaker 2: it is? You know, I don't. I didn't. I don't
Speaker 2: know what it is. But okay, so.
Speaker 5: You know when when I remember that album and Ladulph
Speaker 5: Half Life came out the same day and we were
Speaker 5: on tour together, uh like in ninety seven with uh
Speaker 5: Jay Rue and and and us, it didn't hit me
Speaker 5: like the first record, Nah, not at all.
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it was a bad record, but it
Speaker 2: tested my patience. It tested my patience.
Speaker 10: The moments on that record were like high because like
Speaker 10: like fucking invasion that frustrated and frustrated nigga, fucking Cowboys
Speaker 10: and I did with.
Speaker 5: Cowboys because of the disc and what do you call
Speaker 5: it was the other joint, the one fucking whatever? Well
Speaker 5: he redid the field, oh right right there? Yeah, Oh
Speaker 5: my god, man, that was the one.
Speaker 2: I was like, you know what I didn't like. I
Speaker 2: don't think I like what I felt. One Day was
Speaker 2: half cooked. I can Yeah.
Speaker 5: First of all, it was like an interlude and it
Speaker 5: was released as the first single. That was the first single, Yeah,
Speaker 5: dog like And that's back when like labels were sending
Speaker 5: you like by that point, I was in a few
Speaker 5: DJ pools, so it was like, you know, Sticker New
Speaker 5: ruled the damage to One Day.
Speaker 2: And you know, there was like like there was like
Speaker 2: bus sheets, tim sheets.
Speaker 5: On there with the DJs of the country like oh man,
Speaker 5: he's going home hard or you know, or Biggie and
Speaker 5: Foxy Brown and you know, and I got it and
Speaker 5: I played it and it was just like there was
Speaker 5: no hook, yeah, and it was kind of I felt
Speaker 5: it was very convenient how he just tiptoed around when
Speaker 5: hip hop got to the West Coast, and then it
Speaker 5: got to the West coast, I was like, hey, shiot
Speaker 5: night and I got playing ticket home.
Speaker 2: Man that that night one day? Yeah he did kind of.
Speaker 10: Yeah, damn that was I didn't was because the first
Speaker 10: one I heard was you're playing yourself, which well.
Speaker 5: Yeah, one day was like a white label preview, and
Speaker 5: then you're playing yourself came out, and damn I never
Speaker 5: got to ask him.
Speaker 2: What was Biggie's reaction to your playing yourself?
Speaker 8: Oh?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 5: Because I mean obviously, I meant when you feel some
Speaker 5: sort of way, if absolutely like yeah, yeah, yeah, no
Speaker 5: for real, for real? Well, uh, what is your all right?
Speaker 5: Closing out?
Speaker 2: What is your bill? Boss bill? What is your Desert
Speaker 2: Island premiere album? Single? Song? Song? God? Can you come
Speaker 2: back to me?
Speaker 9: This?
Speaker 2: This is hard. Part of me wants to say mass appeal,
Speaker 2: but then there's all right, non single, non single? What
Speaker 2: is yeah?
Speaker 5: That island one song? It's all you get, non single, primo,
Speaker 5: non single, so Dodgs fuck never even to ship, So.
Speaker 2: So does that counter know? So non single? All right,
Speaker 2: non single? Give me whatever by Jay Rue, give me whatever, whatever,
Speaker 2: whatever you want to do. It's whatever. I gotta do
Speaker 2: my thing. I gotta oh, y'all cruise whatever. That's Phillips
Speaker 2: John Off the second j Robber, give me that, give
Speaker 2: me three? Okay three, give me that? Give me uh
Speaker 2: give me above the clouds? Was that a single? Technically
Speaker 2: was a B side, But I'll let you have it. Okay,
Speaker 2: give me above the clouds and give me man ship man.
Speaker 2: Give me X to the next to the next. Okay,
Speaker 2: that was a single.
Speaker 5: Damn it was a single. Fun it was a sing Okay,
Speaker 5: all right, non singles? Okay, give me uh hmm, give
Speaker 5: me take to him pass there you go. I'll take
Speaker 5: that well or behalf.
Speaker 7: I this show does not care about my reflections whatsoever.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that, Steve. Is this the second week? Yes,
Speaker 2: we got a minute left, give us a.
Speaker 7: I liked what he was saying about the labels on
Speaker 7: the records. They're hypnotizing their magic. I agree with them
Speaker 7: about all that.
Speaker 2: For me, it was Sole Records, the two circles, watching
Speaker 2: them around the circles. Yeah, that's a good one.
Speaker 7: I mean, I had the same experience growing up with
Speaker 7: the with the The Delight and street Wise and Bell Records.
Speaker 7: If you ever heard of them? Yeah, yeah, and now
Speaker 7: it's the Jazz Records, the ct I S and the
Speaker 7: e c ms. The labels are I think an underrated
Speaker 7: part of the record experience. And then his whole thing
Speaker 7: about about taking the turntables apart and really being in
Speaker 7: love with how turntables work. And then you know, just
Speaker 7: how something that that he was so enamored with when
Speaker 7: he was so little became his entire career and he
Speaker 7: you know, really took it to the next level and
Speaker 7: all that.
Speaker 2: That's just incredible single. No, it was. It was a video.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's weird and other reflection.
Speaker 2: I have I date it yo yo.
Speaker 5: Here in sideiffic, I dated the person to whom two
Speaker 5: Honey Buns was directated to.
Speaker 2: Yes, and it was kind of a Jay Rue versus
Speaker 2: a mirror movement. Also exclusive anyway anything else, Steve Nope?
Speaker 2: Well yah, Boss Bill Fontigelo, Thank you again, premiere. This
Speaker 2: was uh course Love Supreme on Bandura and we will
Speaker 2: see you guys on the next go route. Thank you West.
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