WEBVTT - QLS Classic: DJ Premier 0:00:00.480 --> 0:00:04.240 Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic 0:00:04.280 --> 0:00:07.040 episode was produced by the team at Pandora. 0:00:09.720 --> 0:00:10.719 What Up It's Unpaid Bill? 0:00:11.000 --> 0:00:13.280 Check out this interview with Houston's very own DJ Miers 0:00:13.320 --> 0:00:15.159 talks about how he got his name, Well, it's like 0:00:15.280 --> 0:00:16.919 leave Texas to make it in New York City, and 0:00:16.920 --> 0:00:19.880 how he found musical enlightenment. It's a QLs classic from 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:21.840 March twenty second, twenty seventeen. 0:00:31.600 --> 0:00:37.840 Primo Suh Sun Supremo, Roll Call, Suprema Sun Sun Supremo, 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:44.280 Roll Call Suprema Sun Sun Supremo, Ro Call Suprima Sun 0:00:44.520 --> 0:00:46.200 Sun Subpremo. 0:00:45.800 --> 0:00:47.920 Ro Quest Love not Quest Rock. 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:52.519 Yeah, blob trot no stop, Yeah, no Court and vizots. 0:00:52.159 --> 0:01:01.520 Yeah, Suprema Supremo. 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:03.480 Role Quante is here. 0:01:03.960 --> 0:01:04.160 Yeah. 0:01:04.680 --> 0:01:09.840 Check my sound shall niggas is folly straight up and down. 0:01:11.080 --> 0:01:18.240 Upbre Supremo, Roll Call, Supremo Supremo roll Call. 0:01:18.360 --> 0:01:19.440 I'm Sugar Steve. 0:01:19.920 --> 0:01:24.600 Yeah, I cannot lie. Yeah, I watched Primo. Yeah, make 0:01:24.680 --> 0:01:28.080 Devil's Pie, Supremo. 0:01:27.880 --> 0:01:33.400 Suck Supremo, roll Call, Supremo, Supremo. 0:01:33.640 --> 0:01:37.399 Role Callous Phil is here. Yeah. You know my Steves 0:01:38.319 --> 0:01:41.479 reuse my roll calls whenever I please. 0:01:42.880 --> 0:01:50.120 Supreme Suprema roll call, Suprema Supremo roll call. 0:01:50.440 --> 0:01:56.600 It's like, yeah, sitting yeah, motherfucking premiere. Yeah you know 0:01:56.760 --> 0:02:06.120 my steed Supremo roll call. 0:02:06.280 --> 0:02:10.399 My name is Supreme. Yeah, I am Suprema. Yeah I'm 0:02:10.480 --> 0:02:13.959 on the roll call. Yeah, not a casino. 0:02:14.880 --> 0:02:23.920 Suprema So Supreva roll call, Supremo Supremo, roll Suprema Son 0:02:24.160 --> 0:02:30.119 So Supremeo, roll call Suprema Son Supremo roll call. 0:02:31.360 --> 0:02:31.520 Wow. 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:32.600 I wouldn't expecting that to. 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:34.560 Hear me, is thish me. 0:02:34.639 --> 0:02:38.359 Now we should have just SUPREMEO. I was thinking that 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:42.320 right as we started. That sound like Supreme Supreme take two. 0:02:43.160 --> 0:02:45.200 Nah nah nah, ladies and gentlemen. 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:47.480 She looks mad because she didn't getting steezed, and he 0:02:47.600 --> 0:02:49.239 just seeded, come. 0:02:49.160 --> 0:02:52.000 On, very rarely happens if we'll hit the same one. 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:55.200 I mean, I had two of my lines get stolen son. 0:02:55.520 --> 0:02:56.320 So I take her. 0:02:57.720 --> 0:03:00.520 See now you know, because I figured one of them 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:04.799 Ransom is going to be part of that. Initially was 0:03:04.880 --> 0:03:06.840 going to use the violin straight over and then I 0:03:06.919 --> 0:03:11.600 was like, now let me go to the fucking robots. Well, 0:03:11.720 --> 0:03:14.720 ladies and temen, if you have not guessed, uh, this 0:03:14.919 --> 0:03:19.480 is going to be an instant fan out classic episode 0:03:19.680 --> 0:03:25.520 of Questlove Supreme. Uh. Without further ado, we have one 0:03:25.560 --> 0:03:33.720 of the greatest, most celebrated, most awesomest uh flag torch 0:03:33.840 --> 0:03:38.680 bearing members of of hip hop culture with us today, 0:03:39.480 --> 0:03:48.559 DJ Premier Ladier Jump. Okay, So I want to apologize 0:03:48.600 --> 0:03:52.600 in advance for the massive amounts of fanning out that 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:55.680 we're going to do. I'm gonna try and keep the 0:03:56.040 --> 0:03:59.960 inside speaking and exactly the rabbit hole. 0:04:00.200 --> 0:04:01.840 Keep the rabbit hole now. Yeah, I won't go try 0:04:01.920 --> 0:04:04.920 to fall rabbit holes to stay out of that something place. 0:04:05.040 --> 0:04:07.400 And I have on a shirt that you you were 0:04:07.400 --> 0:04:08.400 one of the first ones to tell you. 0:04:08.400 --> 0:04:09.760 We're a fan of the n YGS. 0:04:10.240 --> 0:04:13.520 Yes, yeah, so I remember a long time ago, You're like, 0:04:13.640 --> 0:04:14.640 when are they coming out? 0:04:14.960 --> 0:04:16.480 Yes, so they're about to come out. 0:04:16.839 --> 0:04:21.000 Yeah, shot the pans and shot binos. So I'll make 0:04:21.040 --> 0:04:25.880 sure I get you in advanced copy of it's coming 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:28.360 out to Yeah. Yeah, I'm mixing now. I produced the 0:04:28.400 --> 0:04:32.720 whole thing and straight New York sounding gutter raw lyrics. 0:04:32.800 --> 0:04:36.240 You know, from the perspective of the true adult streets. 0:04:36.640 --> 0:04:41.560 You know, I would expecting relate to I see, Yeah, 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:43.560 my first time meeting you was at a New York 0:04:43.720 --> 0:04:46.719 m I g show that Uh we were factory. 0:04:48.160 --> 0:04:48.480 Factory. 0:04:48.560 --> 0:04:51.160 Two thousand and two, we did an LB show and 0:04:51.360 --> 0:04:53.240 it was as asked, my first time meeting you in Guru, 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:56.200 h rest in peace. We Uh we did a first 0:04:56.320 --> 0:04:58.600 joint we did like our first little showcase. It was 0:04:58.960 --> 0:05:00.560 it was little Brother not. 0:05:01.160 --> 0:05:07.920 And uh Frank supposed to Frank they were doing, uh, 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:10.920 they were doing take them clothes off, but it was 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:12.880 people in the crowd saying take them coats off. 0:05:12.920 --> 0:05:18.600 And I was like, I remember that that was the 0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:20.320 original knitting factory before they moved. 0:05:20.480 --> 0:05:21.159 They moved, they moved to. 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:24.080 Williamsburg and I met bringing back upstairs. 0:05:24.080 --> 0:05:25.560 I was like, yo, it was a friend. I was like, man, 0:05:25.600 --> 0:05:27.680 what's up? His first thing to me? Yo? Yo? So 0:05:27.760 --> 0:05:29.160 I only did two records in my life. You know 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:29.520 what I'm saying. 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:31.400 I did two records, did two records in my life, 0:05:31.800 --> 0:05:35.200 and Guru was there and it was crazy, Like god, 0:05:35.320 --> 0:05:36.200 it was long ago. 0:05:36.440 --> 0:05:40.240 Okay, So what I always wanted to know, I mean, 0:05:41.960 --> 0:05:43.279 you're so New York. 0:05:45.240 --> 0:05:49.839 And Gang Star was such the consummate New York group, 0:05:51.320 --> 0:05:55.960 Yet you guys didn't start from New York City. 0:05:56.040 --> 0:05:56.200 Man. 0:05:56.240 --> 0:06:03.080 He started from Boston and I started from Texas. For me, 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:07.760 it was my mom is an art teacher and she 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:10.520 just had so many records in the house. You know, 0:06:10.760 --> 0:06:12.880 the rules were, don't touch the top of the record, 0:06:13.000 --> 0:06:16.320 only all the edges, or you get a we we 0:06:16.440 --> 0:06:19.440 call it a whooping, not a spanking, a whooping. I 0:06:19.600 --> 0:06:22.360 touched the top because I just wanted to see what 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:24.120 is touch on the top? Do? She goes you got 0:06:24.160 --> 0:06:30.680 your fingerprints on your dumb motherfuckers like and then I 0:06:30.720 --> 0:06:33.080 mean I got plenty of whippings because you know, I 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:37.360 looked at records as a toy, because the labels was 0:06:37.480 --> 0:06:40.119 what attracted me. The way they looked when they spun. 0:06:41.160 --> 0:06:44.280 I was really attracted to the labels. You know, it's like, wow, Motown, 0:06:44.680 --> 0:06:47.720 the way it looked in tamlawn versus. 0:06:50.320 --> 0:06:56.240 Yeah, like the blue versus the yellow in the yellow 0:06:56.320 --> 0:06:56.799 in the brown. 0:06:56.960 --> 0:07:00.800 Harry Winer once at Universal explained to me that because 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:06.640 Motown used eighteen different factories across the United States to 0:07:06.760 --> 0:07:09.600 print it, like they didn't do their own pressing, it 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:12.600 was never consistent. So the ink would be consistent. So 0:07:12.680 --> 0:07:16.000 you would have some Motown print that had a very 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:20.600 dark queue to it, and then you had a lighter motel. 0:07:20.720 --> 0:07:25.480 But sometimes even the Tamala would be a very dark 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:29.320 label versus a light one, like it would just guardy. 0:07:30.800 --> 0:07:34.400 It would depend on you know what pressing plant used. 0:07:34.920 --> 0:07:37.400 Yeah, but the labels always fascinated me, just the way 0:07:37.440 --> 0:07:38.960 it look when it's fun. And then on top of that, 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:41.680 you know you had semi not semi auto. You know, 0:07:41.920 --> 0:07:44.360 they went to semi automatics, but it little almost like 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:48.160 a gun. But they even fully automatic turntables, which at 0:07:48.200 --> 0:07:49.800 that time my mother called it a record player and 0:07:49.880 --> 0:07:53.960 not a turntable. So seeing her stack the spindle with 0:07:54.800 --> 0:07:57.000 it looks like a bottle rocket or whatever. And stacked 0:07:57.040 --> 0:07:59.720 that and then put five forty fives on there and 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:03.080 look the arm holder and then the arm goes up, touches, 0:08:03.120 --> 0:08:04.920 it goes back, the record drops in it. 0:08:05.240 --> 0:08:08.240 I'm like, how does it know to land there? Like? 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:10.000 You know, so I took her. 0:08:10.000 --> 0:08:14.320 Apart, which got me. That gets you because I wanted 0:08:14.320 --> 0:08:16.520 to see the mechanics of what's making it do that 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:18.080 and you know where to land. And then on top 0:08:18.080 --> 0:08:21.240 of it, when you put a twelve you know, an album, 0:08:21.680 --> 0:08:23.720 it knew to start at the album where It's like, 0:08:23.800 --> 0:08:25.480 how does it no go here on the forty five? 0:08:25.600 --> 0:08:27.680 Goes all the way Insigne lands right on the dank. 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:29.040 I was in the juke boxes too. 0:08:29.040 --> 0:08:31.240 I would just stay at the jukebox because almost any 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:33.200 restaurant back then had a juke box, and I would 0:08:33.240 --> 0:08:35.559 just stare at and watch it shuffle the records, and 0:08:35.640 --> 0:08:39.240 then you know, like that, that's why he's like happy 0:08:39.320 --> 0:08:40.560 Days because I don't. 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:44.559 I do not feel happy Days. Would you? 0:08:44.800 --> 0:08:47.240 Would you rotate records without even listening to it, just 0:08:47.320 --> 0:08:51.520 see what it looked like? Were you biased against labels 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:56.680 that you didn't like copy wise, even if it had 0:08:56.720 --> 0:08:57.240 good music? 0:08:57.920 --> 0:08:59.520 How did you judge it on the label? 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:02.040 The judges on the label like I do now Like 0:09:02.080 --> 0:09:04.000 I never like Capital, so. 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:07.080 It took me a long time, like especially old. 0:09:07.760 --> 0:09:12.360 Purple Orange like Nat King cole Cat with a rainbow around. 0:09:12.679 --> 0:09:15.720 Yeah, that's why I never touched my dad's Capital record 0:09:15.800 --> 0:09:18.240 right wrong to get in the Beatles and beach boys 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:21.520 like you the best label? Who was the like the 0:09:21.600 --> 0:09:24.319 one I used? Like scary labels used to scare me. 0:09:24.440 --> 0:09:27.440 I never like Buddha, yeah, with the little man at 0:09:27.440 --> 0:09:30.240 the bottom, like Kurd time curtains. 0:09:33.080 --> 0:09:39.840 But here's the thing you like Kurt Time. Yeah, I scared, literally, 0:09:43.200 --> 0:09:46.520 I would never to listen to if there's hell below, 0:09:47.080 --> 0:09:51.000 We're all gonna go with all that psychedelic echo effect 0:09:51.080 --> 0:09:54.160 to it in the dark as a three year old 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:58.559 watching that Kurt Time label and nah, but I'd be 0:09:58.640 --> 0:10:00.719 obsessed with it, like make them put it on. 0:10:01.000 --> 0:10:02.800 Then I run upstairs and hide on the cover. 0:10:04.000 --> 0:10:06.600 I hit under the covers when Jaws came out because 0:10:06.600 --> 0:10:08.480 I thought the shot could come in and I'm like, 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:11.200 and if you think about the shot, can't swim without water. 0:10:11.720 --> 0:10:13.719 But I just remember going to see Jaws with my 0:10:13.840 --> 0:10:18.920 family and just that tooomdoommmmmm. I was so scared of 0:10:19.840 --> 0:10:22.360 staying by myself, you know, my my parents let us 0:10:22.360 --> 0:10:24.920 stay by myself at a young age because it's just 0:10:25.000 --> 0:10:27.120 like that in the South, you know, you know, you 0:10:27.240 --> 0:10:29.839 leave your door unlocked and people just walk in, you know, 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:35.160 like I'm from that, Like, hey, your thatt home, it's 0:10:35.280 --> 0:10:39.520 not you know, unchained five. I learned that when I 0:10:39.559 --> 0:10:42.800 came to New York and my mom's from Baltimore. So 0:10:42.920 --> 0:10:44.600 even when we used to stay at my grandmother's house, 0:10:44.920 --> 0:10:48.240 same thing. They had all these like all these locks 0:10:48.280 --> 0:10:48.680 and you're just. 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:50.800 Like, damn, you know, what's the you know. 0:10:51.080 --> 0:10:53.199 But then you see the corner store right outside the 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:57.560 house where everybody's fighting and screaming and breaking glass, and I'm. 0:10:57.440 --> 0:11:00.240 Like, oh, I want to go back to Texas. 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:00.760 You know. 0:11:01.000 --> 0:11:02.840 And then you get to the teenage age where it's like. 0:11:02.880 --> 0:11:05.559 Yo, I love all this violence stuff, you know, And 0:11:05.720 --> 0:11:08.800 that's when the changes started. The change started to come. 0:11:09.160 --> 0:11:13.800 Your father, your father, he was a professor at Prairier Review. Yeah, yeah, 0:11:14.280 --> 0:11:15.240 and he was my dean. 0:11:16.400 --> 0:11:17.000 Imagine that. 0:11:17.160 --> 0:11:17.960 So you went for free? 0:11:18.640 --> 0:11:18.679 No? 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:22.599 What? Well? I mean yeah, he paid for it. What 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:23.200 was your major? 0:11:23.760 --> 0:11:27.360 Computer science? But none of those languages exist, you know. 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:29.800 I took for tran and basic. 0:11:31.040 --> 0:11:34.760 Yeah. Now you can't get your receipt back. 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:41.800 So wait, if if the if the turntable was such 0:11:41.920 --> 0:11:47.800 a sacred holy ground in your household? What happened the 0:11:48.080 --> 0:11:50.800 very first time you ever heard the Adventures of Grand 0:11:50.880 --> 0:11:54.400 Master Flash on the Wheels are still? Did you hear 0:11:54.480 --> 0:11:58.080 it as a youngster in in Texas? 0:11:58.440 --> 0:11:59.199 No, I was. 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:01.520 I was going back and forth. Yeah, but I was 0:12:01.600 --> 0:12:03.760 going back and forth because my grandfather. 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:04.200 Lived in Brooklyn. 0:12:04.280 --> 0:12:07.040 That's how the first Brooklyn connection happened because he still 0:12:07.080 --> 0:12:10.480 he lived in Brooklyn, so being staying with him, he 0:12:10.600 --> 0:12:12.199 and I used to always go to a I was 0:12:12.240 --> 0:12:15.120 really in the in the pinball games heavy as a kid, 0:12:15.400 --> 0:12:17.920 so he's always take me to Playland and Tom Square and. 0:12:17.920 --> 0:12:19.360 Then we always go to a Yankee game. 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:22.040 So I was so used to going to baseball games 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:23.920 with him, and so I got into baseball. I played 0:12:23.960 --> 0:12:26.839 that played when I was young, and he's the one 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:28.360 that got me into that. And then he used to 0:12:28.360 --> 0:12:32.280 tour with his band and he played trombone, trumpet, guitar 0:12:32.360 --> 0:12:34.920 and upright bass. So he used to always show me 0:12:34.960 --> 0:12:36.240 all the pictures like, yeah, this is when I was 0:12:36.280 --> 0:12:38.040 in Germany, this is when I was here, just when 0:12:38.040 --> 0:12:40.800 I was there. And I remember his wife, Rooney, God 0:12:40.840 --> 0:12:43.079 bless her. She's always going, oh, Bill, there you go. 0:12:45.360 --> 0:12:47.480 He loves a brag about all the places he's been. 0:12:47.600 --> 0:12:50.840 But for me, it was like, wow, all this music 0:12:51.160 --> 0:12:53.800 took you all these places, you know, so I wanted 0:12:53.800 --> 0:12:54.560 to do that same thing. 0:12:54.720 --> 0:12:57.280 See yeah, but so so it wasn't like you scratched 0:12:57.360 --> 0:12:59.920 on the home term table and nah, not then. 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:02.679 But by the time scratching came out, I just was 0:13:02.840 --> 0:13:04.679 wanted to figure out how are they able to bring 0:13:04.760 --> 0:13:08.400 it back like that? And then my homie who was 0:13:08.440 --> 0:13:09.719 still a friend of mine, RP. 0:13:09.960 --> 0:13:10.240 Cohler. 0:13:10.280 --> 0:13:12.720 His name is Randy Pettis. He went to my college. 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:15.800 So I didn't really understand the scratching aspect as far 0:13:15.840 --> 0:13:18.360 as how they're making the record come back until like 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:21.760 nineteen eighty five, when when eighty four, I'm sorry eighty 0:13:21.800 --> 0:13:24.480 four when I was in college. Use I graduated high 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:26.600 school in eighty four. My my freshman year in college, 0:13:26.640 --> 0:13:28.000 I went. I went to summer school just so I 0:13:28.360 --> 0:13:30.439 just wanted to be in college so bad, because you know, 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:32.480 just to get away hang out with all the people. 0:13:32.600 --> 0:13:35.200 And we don't we only live five minutes from the college, 0:13:35.280 --> 0:13:37.800 but it's still a different way when you're on Now 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:39.880 I'm on the dorms and with the boys, we're drinking, 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:41.439 we're doing all the stuff and that that you want 0:13:41.480 --> 0:13:44.480 to do away from your parents, and and uh, I 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:48.240 just remember, man, he was scratching and and he had 0:13:48.280 --> 0:13:50.600 these felt pads on there, and I was like, Yo, 0:13:51.080 --> 0:13:52.120 how are you doing that? 0:13:52.400 --> 0:13:54.439 And and he was like, I'll show you. 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:55.959 He's like, come to my dorm. And I went to 0:13:55.960 --> 0:13:57.520 this dorm he showed me how to cut on his 0:13:57.760 --> 0:14:00.600 old big Gemini. It was a big gym, not mixer. 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:02.840 It was silver with wood on the side. That's all 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:05.520 I remember, the big silver damn. He had to run 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:08.280 to get the cross fader, you know. And he was 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:10.920 and the way, the way, the way the dorms were 0:14:10.960 --> 0:14:12.400 set up shot the Holly Hall that. 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:15.000 Was that was the dorm of all the wildness. 0:14:15.559 --> 0:14:16.720 He the way he had to set up. He had 0:14:16.720 --> 0:14:18.600 two on the right because he couldn't. 0:14:18.720 --> 0:14:21.200 He couldn't. He couldn't do nothing right because well he 0:14:21.240 --> 0:14:22.120 couldn't left and right. 0:14:22.520 --> 0:14:25.920 But only when he was doing the gigs at his whole, 0:14:25.960 --> 0:14:28.160 at his dorm, he would set him up on the right. So, 0:14:28.280 --> 0:14:30.040 being I got so used to learning it that way, 0:14:30.200 --> 0:14:31.880 I just stuck with that way I could. You know, 0:14:32.200 --> 0:14:34.320 I got better now where you have to cross over 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:36.760 and everything. But now I don't want him that way, 0:14:37.040 --> 0:14:39.200 but if it's set up that way, I'm still nice 0:14:39.240 --> 0:14:41.320 to do it with him on the right or And 0:14:41.400 --> 0:14:43.320 then the second thing that led me just keeping on 0:14:43.400 --> 0:14:46.360 the right was when Malcolm Claren and the world famous 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:48.840 Supreme Team came out with the album d Like Scratching. 0:14:49.480 --> 0:14:51.000 You see the turntables together. 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:53.960 Yeah, the turntables together on the cover and the mixer 0:14:54.080 --> 0:14:55.800 is a g l I mixer in the front. So 0:14:55.880 --> 0:14:57.520 I was like, I want to do that, but I'm 0:14:57.520 --> 0:14:59.520 just gonna move him back over like the way RP 0:14:59.760 --> 0:15:00.120 talk me. 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:02.400 First time I saw you cut that was that was 0:15:02.400 --> 0:15:04.800 what you had. You had him on the right. See, 0:15:04.880 --> 0:15:06.960 I've been told that was called Philly style. 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:11.280 I don't know if I can claim that now. So 0:15:11.680 --> 0:15:15.440 it's like cash money. Was he cutting like that? I 0:15:15.520 --> 0:15:20.320 don't know, Like just every Philly DJ. Jeff's the first 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:23.560 guy I ever see cut normal with left and right turntables, 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:26.480 But most Philly DJs that I've known always have the 0:15:26.520 --> 0:15:29.160 turntables to the left and the mixture to the right. 0:15:29.920 --> 0:15:34.760 Because that's that's how I learned. Even it even further, 0:15:35.080 --> 0:15:42.000 uh uh got validated. I once saw whoever tone Luke's 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:42.560 DJ was? 0:15:45.760 --> 0:15:49.400 We need How do you know? How do you know. 0:15:50.880 --> 0:15:51.160 Remember? 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:52.480 How do you know that? 0:15:52.560 --> 0:15:54.080 I don't know how I remember that, but I think 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:55.440 he shouted him out in a song or something. 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:59.280 But you pulled that out way too fast? Is there 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:01.720 anything you know? No, No, it's flitty. 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:04.800 That's why that's why he's part of the breaks. 0:16:06.160 --> 0:16:06.760 God damn. 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:11.480 Well, yeah, like I was doing it Battle Philly uh 0:16:11.960 --> 0:16:14.400 style with on the side. I never saw that either 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:19.840 with the turntable twelve o'clock. So then I was like, okay, 0:16:19.880 --> 0:16:22.160 that's how you're supposed to do it. So is that 0:16:22.280 --> 0:16:24.960 when you became like when you talking about wax Master C. 0:16:25.440 --> 0:16:27.320 Yeah, I just wanted to have a name, and uh, 0:16:27.880 --> 0:16:30.960 you know, first I was DJ Chris, you know, and 0:16:31.120 --> 0:16:33.440 then uh wax Master Ccuse. I was like, damn, everybody's 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:36.160 jam Master grand Master and no one's wax Master. And 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:39.000 right when I claim that name, wax Master Tory came 0:16:39.080 --> 0:16:41.680 out on B Boy Records and the fact it was 0:16:41.720 --> 0:16:44.400 on B Boy Records with KRS with you with Criminal 0:16:44.480 --> 0:16:46.520 Minded and all that I was, and uh, you know 0:16:46.920 --> 0:16:49.320 KG the all from the from the Cold Crush, and 0:16:49.720 --> 0:16:52.360 I was like, damn, man, this is good. 0:16:52.440 --> 0:16:53.520 This dude's gonna blow him. 0:16:53.560 --> 0:16:53.640 Now. 0:16:53.720 --> 0:16:55.240 I can't use that one, you know. But he was 0:16:55.280 --> 0:16:58.720 a DJ but but just wax Master Toy. It was 0:16:58.800 --> 0:17:02.400 like damn, but I kept it. And then when when 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:05.560 I joined Gang Star, Stu Fine, who was the owner 0:17:05.640 --> 0:17:08.480 of a Wild Picture was a husband wife owned label. 0:17:08.960 --> 0:17:11.200 Stu Fine was like I really don't like your name. 0:17:11.520 --> 0:17:14.720 And I was like, man, what's wrong. He said, it 0:17:14.840 --> 0:17:16.920 just doesn't catch. It just doesn't catch. Why don't you 0:17:17.280 --> 0:17:18.640 see if you can come up with a new name. 0:17:19.119 --> 0:17:20.960 And I was like, well, let me, let me get 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:22.760 back to you. And I had gone back to Texas 0:17:22.800 --> 0:17:23.399 to go to school. 0:17:23.800 --> 0:17:24.760 So I just made a list. 0:17:24.920 --> 0:17:27.480 And you know, I remember, I remember DJ scratching cut 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:32.800 I had h DJ uh turn turn around. I know, 0:17:33.000 --> 0:17:37.880 I'm sorry, turn around names in our in our back, 0:17:38.600 --> 0:17:41.920 I had mixing Scratch. Premiere was one of the my 0:17:42.080 --> 0:17:44.320 you know, I made a little list. And my mom 0:17:44.400 --> 0:17:47.520 always keeps these yellow tablets you know, around the house, 0:17:47.520 --> 0:17:49.680 which I took dad, yeah to this very day. I 0:17:49.800 --> 0:17:52.040 keep them as well because I got something one of 0:17:52.080 --> 0:17:55.040 my back that broke with me. Uh, it's just a thing. 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:58.320 So I wrote, wrote like seven or eight. I wanted 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:00.639 to do at least ten, but I wrote about I 0:18:00.680 --> 0:18:06.239 remember I had a rad Revolve Revolution shot the DJ 0:18:06.400 --> 0:18:10.440 Revolution was one of the nastiest cutters ever. Uh, and 0:18:10.680 --> 0:18:12.200 you know, and so on I showed my mom and 0:18:12.359 --> 0:18:14.080 she was looking at it. She goes, I think you 0:18:14.119 --> 0:18:16.359 should go with Premiere because you always always want to 0:18:16.359 --> 0:18:18.320 be first and stuff and this and that, and I 0:18:18.440 --> 0:18:21.719 used to repair everybody's stuff in my neighborhood. Actually, Travis 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:22.760 Scott's father. 0:18:22.760 --> 0:18:23.520 Was like my O G. 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:28.879 Yeah, you know father, Yeah, he's you know, he's probably 0:18:28.920 --> 0:18:31.320 like I'm fifty, he's probably like fifty seven fifty eight. 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:35.760 But year Jack Webster which which actually Travis Scott used 0:18:35.760 --> 0:18:38.240 to be Jack Webster before he changed the Travis Scott's 0:18:38.280 --> 0:18:41.159 Jack Jack Webster and Travis Webster and their brothers and 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:44.160 south of Sonora Webster and rest speaks to their dad, 0:18:44.200 --> 0:18:47.080 who's actually used played cards every Thursday with my father. 0:18:47.160 --> 0:18:50.879 He just passed going on three years now. And uh 0:18:51.040 --> 0:18:54.359 and uh shout to Ms Webster, who's first first person 0:18:54.400 --> 0:18:57.600 in my neighborhood I heard cursed more than Richard Pride. 0:18:59.480 --> 0:18:59.720 Lady. 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:03.720 Every Christ we still go over the house and go 0:19:03.840 --> 0:19:06.240 see her, and she's just a barrel of fun and 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:09.040 she's just so funny. So you know, I remember they 0:19:09.080 --> 0:19:11.320 were tell me about Travis Scott wanted to get on 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:13.359 and everything, and and uh they would give me his 0:19:13.480 --> 0:19:14.800 music and stuff, so like. 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:15.480 He's popping that. 0:19:17.359 --> 0:19:20.560 Yeah yeah, and uh, Jack and Jack and Travis played 0:19:20.560 --> 0:19:22.440 bass and drums and they were the first one with 0:19:22.560 --> 0:19:24.359 the pool table, the first one with a VCR in 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:26.359 our neighborhoods. So we and they lived like three houses 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:28.119 from me. So I used to go over there to 0:19:28.160 --> 0:19:30.840 their game room, play pool and learn how to play 0:19:30.920 --> 0:19:34.040 drums and bass. And that's where my instrumentation came from. 0:19:34.080 --> 0:19:36.119 I took piano lessons, but by second grade I was like, 0:19:36.200 --> 0:19:38.240 I don't want to do that. I want to play 0:19:38.240 --> 0:19:40.399 cowboys and Indians and all that stuff, you know, So 0:19:40.800 --> 0:19:42.280 started doing that type of stuff. And then I was 0:19:42.320 --> 0:19:45.760 in Little league baseball. So so during that time, I 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:49.199 just you know, kind of like I left the the uh, 0:19:50.160 --> 0:19:54.280 the the everything else to the side. Next thing, you know, 0:19:56.400 --> 0:19:58.840 everything started to trickle into the you know, the the 0:19:58.920 --> 0:20:02.480 turntable stage of every thing, and and uh, you know, 0:20:02.680 --> 0:20:03.679 music was always just. 0:20:03.800 --> 0:20:04.680 Heavy in the house. 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:13.800 So you started out DJing and doing mas, wast Masters, 0:20:13.880 --> 0:20:14.679 wax Master, c. 0:20:15.840 --> 0:20:18.480 Nothing to cut. Yeah, you know, I straight, I straight 0:20:18.560 --> 0:20:22.000 like trump, Uh, what what happened? 0:20:22.200 --> 0:20:22.760 Central man? 0:20:23.800 --> 0:20:26.399 So I called when I said, when my mom said premiere, 0:20:26.400 --> 0:20:29.640 it sounds like the one. I called, uh Stu and said, 0:20:29.760 --> 0:20:32.119 what do you think of DJ premiere? He goes, that's it? 0:20:32.840 --> 0:20:35.160 I love it and talk about Stu Man because I've 0:20:35.240 --> 0:20:38.040 heard like a lot of stories about Wild. I mean, 0:20:38.080 --> 0:20:40.199 you know, Diamond don't want to make a picture as 0:20:40.200 --> 0:20:42.399 Wild all that. Like what was he like as a 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:45.200 businessman and what was that first dangstar deal like for me? 0:20:45.640 --> 0:20:49.080 Even when when we met my first manager, Patrick Moxy, 0:20:49.200 --> 0:20:51.680 who you know started to pay their records. Uh and 0:20:51.840 --> 0:20:53.800 and Empire Management was our management. 0:20:53.920 --> 0:20:54.040 Uh. 0:20:54.680 --> 0:20:57.840 With with Patrick, I remember we went to a party 0:20:57.840 --> 0:21:00.520 and he goes, Jo Man loving the new gangs our record. 0:21:00.760 --> 0:21:02.919 First thing we do is get you off that small label. 0:21:02.960 --> 0:21:04.880 And I looked at him like you're about to ruin 0:21:04.960 --> 0:21:07.840 our stuff because Stut was so cool, Like we we 0:21:08.119 --> 0:21:09.000 we got along well. 0:21:10.000 --> 0:21:12.439 And like I said, it was a husband and wife label. 0:21:12.840 --> 0:21:14.320 Guru's the one that hurt that used to go through 0:21:14.320 --> 0:21:16.399 the shoe box of demos that got sent to him 0:21:16.920 --> 0:21:19.800 and he heard my demo and he heard Lord Fanessa's demo. 0:21:20.119 --> 0:21:21.960 What's the label wild Pitch Ok? 0:21:22.560 --> 0:21:24.920 What was your demo? At the time. So I was 0:21:25.840 --> 0:21:27.000 in a group called we. 0:21:27.200 --> 0:21:30.720 We were called mcson Control, you know m I C 0:21:31.119 --> 0:21:34.760 mcs and Control. It was me my MC top Ski 0:21:35.640 --> 0:21:36.560 Sugar Pop. 0:21:37.920 --> 0:21:38.679 No Sugar. 0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:42.160 If they all all from South Dallas, shot to Old 0:21:42.200 --> 0:21:44.760 Cliff and all of that. So, you know, so they 0:21:44.800 --> 0:21:47.040 all went, we all went to school together, and and 0:21:47.160 --> 0:21:50.840 then there was stylely T. Stylely T was our flavor flave, 0:21:51.600 --> 0:21:53.679 you know what I'm saying. So you know, I mean 0:21:54.160 --> 0:21:56.280 like he was just I mean, and not only that, 0:21:56.680 --> 0:21:58.960 he's not acting like that. This is really how he is, 0:21:59.359 --> 0:22:00.920 you know. And when I just went on the prom 0:22:01.000 --> 0:22:03.359 tour two years ago, when I went to Dallas, I 0:22:03.400 --> 0:22:05.399 saw all of them, and we all still talk to 0:22:05.440 --> 0:22:07.359 each other, call each other texts, and they come to 0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:09.320 my shoulder. We still call each other like it's a 0:22:09.359 --> 0:22:11.680 regular thing. They're not mad that I took off and 0:22:11.920 --> 0:22:14.359 and continued because they couldn't really afford to come to 0:22:14.440 --> 0:22:16.919 New York. Uh Me and top with were in New 0:22:16.960 --> 0:22:20.120 York shopping the demos. Uh I got a credit Carlos 0:22:20.240 --> 0:22:22.840 Garza because he's the one that got me a job 0:22:22.920 --> 0:22:26.200 at at a Sound Waves record store, which was the 0:22:26.440 --> 0:22:29.520 store in the hood in Houston to go to. If 0:22:29.560 --> 0:22:31.119 you and the if you're from the streets and you 0:22:31.200 --> 0:22:34.200 want to get anything, you gotta come to Sound Waste. 0:22:34.280 --> 0:22:36.040 All the all the players and the pimps used to 0:22:36.080 --> 0:22:38.000 come in there with the furs and and this is 0:22:38.200 --> 0:22:42.280 the hot Texas with gators on and everything. Hey, everybody 0:22:42.359 --> 0:22:50.440 got some of that laddim mo and and plus we 0:22:50.520 --> 0:22:52.440 sold zyder call music. A lot of people don't know 0:22:52.480 --> 0:22:57.680 what yer Communica. That's huge down in Texas, and so 0:22:58.240 --> 0:23:00.280 you know, and you have to know your music. So 0:23:00.600 --> 0:23:01.639 it so what it was. 0:23:02.440 --> 0:23:03.760 Uh, this is how I got the job. 0:23:03.960 --> 0:23:07.520 I actually used to The price tags were easy to 0:23:07.560 --> 0:23:09.800 peel off, and they had like three ninety nine or 0:23:09.800 --> 0:23:11.920 twelve inch so we were putting the one ninety nine 0:23:12.000 --> 0:23:14.639 ones on and Carlos saw me doing it, but he 0:23:14.720 --> 0:23:16.720 didn't confront me because I was with Top and Top 0:23:16.920 --> 0:23:17.800 was a very cocky dude. 0:23:17.840 --> 0:23:17.959 Yo. 0:23:18.040 --> 0:23:20.120 Yeah, fuck all that men. You know, it ain't nobody 0:23:20.280 --> 0:23:20.920 gonna be too. 0:23:20.840 --> 0:23:21.560 Front on us. You know. 0:23:21.600 --> 0:23:22.680 That's how he That's how top. 0:23:22.720 --> 0:23:23.400 It is years. 0:23:23.960 --> 0:23:26.760 This is probably like eighty for this, eighty four eighty five. 0:23:27.520 --> 0:23:27.720 Yeah. 0:23:27.840 --> 0:23:30.639 So uh so when we get to the counter and 0:23:30.680 --> 0:23:33.359 I got a stack of twelve inches, Carlos is the 0:23:33.440 --> 0:23:35.320 one that puts the prices on it because he's the 0:23:35.400 --> 0:23:38.560 twelve inch buyer from the warehouse. He's the one that says, hey, 0:23:38.640 --> 0:23:41.400 give me ten tone looks give me ten Reli Vanilli's girl. 0:23:41.440 --> 0:23:44.639 You know, it's true stuff like that. So when he 0:23:44.680 --> 0:23:46.760 saw what I what I was buying, He's like, dude, 0:23:46.840 --> 0:23:50.160 these prices are wrong, and you know me, I'm acting tough. Yo, man, 0:23:50.840 --> 0:23:52.760 it's a dug night. No, that's what I'm paying there. 0:23:52.800 --> 0:23:53.840 But there are three ninety nine. 0:23:54.119 --> 0:23:56.879 I'm the one that priced those. I'm like, well, whatever's 0:23:56.920 --> 0:23:58.320 on there is what I'm paying for it. If you're 0:23:58.320 --> 0:23:59.800 gonna fit change the price, you're gonna put it on. 0:23:59.840 --> 0:24:02.639 Next time I bought a record, you know, I was 0:24:02.680 --> 0:24:06.920 like you. I was like you and thats Shane, you know. 0:24:07.119 --> 0:24:10.680 So so from there, I came back in the store 0:24:10.720 --> 0:24:12.159 and you know, maybe a couple of weeks later, and 0:24:12.280 --> 0:24:14.000 he was just like, yo, man, yeah, I saw what 0:24:14.119 --> 0:24:16.560 you bought. You know, you have you picked a lot 0:24:16.600 --> 0:24:18.760 of hot records that I just got in you know 0:24:18.840 --> 0:24:20.159 how you know all that stuff. And I'm like, well, 0:24:20.160 --> 0:24:21.879 I'm moving to New York. I'm from here, and you 0:24:21.960 --> 0:24:24.080 know I'm gonna I'm gonna work on getting a record deal. 0:24:24.600 --> 0:24:25.960 He's like, yo, you want a job here. 0:24:26.000 --> 0:24:28.359 I was like yeah. And then I met met with 0:24:28.440 --> 0:24:31.960 their owners and everybody. They gave me a job, and 0:24:32.280 --> 0:24:34.879 from there, me and Carlos are the tightest friends. That's 0:24:34.880 --> 0:24:36.880 how I ended up meeting an odd squad with Devin 0:24:36.960 --> 0:24:40.600 the Dude, and and and uh all you know, all 0:24:40.680 --> 0:24:42.360 of us got got cool. That's I mean, I met 0:24:42.359 --> 0:24:45.440 scar Face, I met Willie d So we go way back, 0:24:45.640 --> 0:24:48.639 way back before the deal. And then from there, uh, 0:24:49.800 --> 0:24:53.720 the billboard that just started having a rap category in 0:24:53.800 --> 0:24:55.400 Billboard magazine, a rap chart. 0:24:55.920 --> 0:24:57.520 So Carlos became. 0:24:57.440 --> 0:25:01.320 The billboard reporter for Houston, for the South, and then 0:25:01.359 --> 0:25:03.560 they needed They said, do you want to be the 0:25:03.600 --> 0:25:05.639 twelve inch Biers? So now I took over as a 0:25:05.680 --> 0:25:07.680 twelve inch biers. So I'll call south by South I 0:25:07.760 --> 0:25:10.800 mean I mean Southwest Wholesale and say, hey, I need 0:25:11.200 --> 0:25:14.040 you know, one hundred wild thing tone logan. 0:25:14.080 --> 0:25:15.800 They're like, are you sure you need one hundred? 0:25:15.840 --> 0:25:17.800 I'm like, Yo, it's moving because people coming in the 0:25:17.840 --> 0:25:19.560 store going yo, we need wild thing, wild thing for 0:25:19.960 --> 0:25:22.080 the weekend, you know, and then we can move them. 0:25:22.400 --> 0:25:24.440 They got to a point where they trusted anything I 0:25:24.880 --> 0:25:27.879 would say order people say. And then that's when the 0:25:28.000 --> 0:25:30.119 base in the in the cars was like a new 0:25:30.240 --> 0:25:33.760 thing holding now hit it is what totally got us 0:25:33.800 --> 0:25:37.680 into the sound system era for us in Texas, holding 0:25:37.760 --> 0:25:38.160 now hit. 0:25:38.080 --> 0:25:43.920 It, My man, are right? That is a loud even 0:25:44.480 --> 0:25:46.280 always mixed the ship way louder. 0:25:46.000 --> 0:25:49.040 Than and and what it was. There's a guy named 0:25:49.040 --> 0:25:51.960 Otis Curtis. He was part of my rival DJ team, 0:25:52.480 --> 0:25:54.639 the DJ crew that that that. We were rivals all 0:25:54.680 --> 0:25:58.400 the time. It was Chris Garrett, Tony Tapscott, Darryl Tapscott, 0:25:58.560 --> 0:26:01.760 r I P. And we we all friends, played football everything, 0:26:01.880 --> 0:26:07.000 but we also enemy but rivals with the turntables because 0:26:07.040 --> 0:26:09.000 we were like, yo, but you ain't got this record, 0:26:09.040 --> 0:26:09.920 but ja got that record? 0:26:09.960 --> 0:26:10.119 But O. 0:26:10.280 --> 0:26:12.600 This was the first one to have the big wolfers 0:26:12.640 --> 0:26:14.840 in his truck. And I remember he came pulled up 0:26:14.880 --> 0:26:17.320 he goes, Yo, I'm about to put on this song 0:26:17.440 --> 0:26:19.480 by the Beasie Boys. We had already heard like, uh 0:26:19.960 --> 0:26:22.480 the well, we had heard Beastie groove, but didn't have 0:26:22.520 --> 0:26:23.639 no eight O eights and this is one of the 0:26:23.920 --> 0:26:29.680 old Purple Death jam so yeah, exactly. So then I 0:26:29.760 --> 0:26:32.119 remember this is exactly what he said. He said, Yo, 0:26:32.720 --> 0:26:35.680 when this record beat Beat drops, you better duck. And 0:26:35.800 --> 0:26:37.920 we're like why he said, watch and you know it 0:26:37.960 --> 0:26:40.520 starts off with this holding now there's no you know, 0:26:43.480 --> 0:26:44.959 he goes get ready to dug in the city. As 0:26:44.960 --> 0:26:48.960 soon as he said and I'm chill it, and it 0:26:49.200 --> 0:26:54.560 just said boom boom boom, boom boom. We were like, god, damn, 0:26:54.760 --> 0:26:58.760 that's some bass. And after that everything just started coming out. 0:26:58.840 --> 0:27:00.359 It seemed like it seemed like I and that just 0:27:00.440 --> 0:27:03.240 everything was just boom boom boom. And then that's how 0:27:03.280 --> 0:27:06.879 I got really into Mally because Molly didn't follow the 0:27:07.000 --> 0:27:11.119 every kick pattern. His would just be just like boom boom, 0:27:15.080 --> 0:27:18.040 And we were like, yo, look where he's placing his ship. 0:27:18.680 --> 0:27:20.800 So that blew me away. And this is even before 0:27:20.880 --> 0:27:23.720 you had even started. This is still We're just. 0:27:25.520 --> 0:27:29.639 You want to know something hilarious, So your your moment 0:27:29.960 --> 0:27:34.600 of realization with like this, this might call me to 0:27:34.680 --> 0:27:37.240 the culture was holding now hit it? You want to 0:27:37.280 --> 0:27:43.240 know something hilarious. So the initial printing of hold it 0:27:43.320 --> 0:27:46.200 now hit it? When def Jam did it put the 0:27:46.320 --> 0:27:51.040 a cappella on the A side right, So when Lady 0:27:51.160 --> 0:27:55.159 b Ever played it in Philadelphia, we never knew there 0:27:55.240 --> 0:27:59.080 was drums on the ship. She was not until not 0:27:59.320 --> 0:28:01.800 until we ought license to ill And I'm still mad 0:28:01.880 --> 0:28:05.119 even to this day. When I played Holding Out hit 0:28:05.200 --> 0:28:09.879 it like I played the acappella in Philly, Wow, it 0:28:10.119 --> 0:28:13.040 was because to us it was like, yo, they are 0:28:13.160 --> 0:28:15.800 so dope, they don't even need to. 0:28:18.600 --> 0:28:20.240 Word no music. 0:28:21.600 --> 0:28:23.560 I mean, we never heard of a cappella before, so 0:28:24.920 --> 0:28:27.680 this was number one in Philly for like all of nineteen. 0:28:29.400 --> 0:28:31.199 We never knew there was music. We never knew there 0:28:31.280 --> 0:28:33.760 was drums, so we never knew. We never knew that. 0:28:34.000 --> 0:28:38.400 So like and only later I found out the initial 0:28:38.440 --> 0:28:41.520 pressings of it, like I think mural in Japan, I 0:28:41.600 --> 0:28:44.400 brought a twelve inch where Holding Out hited the a 0:28:44.440 --> 0:28:48.520 cappella they called Acapulca. Yeah, it was on the A 0:28:48.800 --> 0:28:51.480 side and the other version was on the B side. 0:28:51.560 --> 0:28:56.080 But yeah, never I never knew it was yeah, and 0:28:56.280 --> 0:28:57.640 that's what that That's. 0:28:57.560 --> 0:29:01.400 Really what said office sound from me and then that's 0:29:01.400 --> 0:29:03.040 from from there. That's why I was like, man. But 0:29:03.200 --> 0:29:04.560 when it came to Marley, that's why I was like, 0:29:04.600 --> 0:29:05.640 I want to I want to learn. 0:29:05.520 --> 0:29:06.200 How to make beats. 0:29:06.760 --> 0:29:09.520 It was just everything his When I heard the bridge, 0:29:09.800 --> 0:29:12.680 you know, I remember run DMC and Dana Dame came 0:29:12.720 --> 0:29:17.120 to our college to perform and during the Break, you know, 0:29:17.120 --> 0:29:18.960 when they're setting up the equipment and everything. I just 0:29:19.040 --> 0:29:21.560 remember I thought it was called the Breaks because it 0:29:21.640 --> 0:29:23.560 was going it sounds like it's going to break to break, 0:29:23.640 --> 0:29:27.560 to break, to break, to break to break. I didn't 0:29:27.560 --> 0:29:30.320 know it's saying the bridge. And then I remember, like 0:29:30.880 --> 0:29:32.600 that's around Tim mc carlos, and I was like, yo, 0:29:32.680 --> 0:29:34.440 there's a song called the it goes the Break, the 0:29:34.520 --> 0:29:34.959 Break he goes. 0:29:35.000 --> 0:29:36.480 No, it's saying the Bridge, he goes. 0:29:36.520 --> 0:29:38.640 I got it right over here and it said Bridge Records, 0:29:38.680 --> 0:29:41.680 and it just looks so plain, but it looked New York. 0:29:41.840 --> 0:29:42.640 Like the label. 0:29:43.040 --> 0:29:47.280 I was like, again, labels, the way they look they 0:29:47.640 --> 0:29:50.520 you know, they just make you plug out based on 0:29:50.600 --> 0:29:52.680 the label. Now you'll see a label with some weird 0:29:52.720 --> 0:29:53.480 shitting go always. 0:29:53.560 --> 0:29:54.520 I know it's something on it. 0:29:55.160 --> 0:29:55.360 You know. 0:29:56.280 --> 0:29:56.600 What was. 0:29:58.080 --> 0:30:03.120 Was general hip hop culture in Houston, derivative of New 0:30:03.200 --> 0:30:05.720 York culture, Like Okay, we see run DMC doing that, 0:30:06.360 --> 0:30:14.040 so what's up, homeboy? Like because it was southern was southern? 0:30:15.040 --> 0:30:18.840 When did Houston establish their own thing? Like Okay, we 0:30:18.920 --> 0:30:21.520 don't have to be New York or LA. We could 0:30:21.520 --> 0:30:22.120 be ourselves. 0:30:22.200 --> 0:30:25.280 Like I gotta say, the ghetto Boys, you know, because 0:30:25.560 --> 0:30:27.600 I go back to knowing the Ghetto Boys when it 0:30:27.640 --> 0:30:29.840 was Johnny you know, when it was waiting for a 0:30:29.880 --> 0:30:34.080 Face before Ready Read. It was juke Box and Johnny 0:30:34.160 --> 0:30:36.680 c and everybody that you know this is you know, 0:30:36.800 --> 0:30:39.760 when when Face came, he was a DJ action, you know, 0:30:39.920 --> 0:30:42.880 so even Butchwick Bill wasn't in the group officially yet. 0:30:43.280 --> 0:30:46.040 So then Ready Red came in later on, like when 0:30:46.120 --> 0:30:49.200 Death four and all of them came out, and and 0:30:49.440 --> 0:30:54.959 the Raheem. So during the first record that came out 0:30:55.040 --> 0:30:57.840 was called Carfreak. That was the first Ghetto Boys record, 0:30:58.080 --> 0:31:00.440 and we were like, wow, they got the feelos suits on, 0:31:00.520 --> 0:31:02.320 and they got the fat cables, Like where they get 0:31:02.400 --> 0:31:05.240 it this in Houston where you finding cables at? You 0:31:05.320 --> 0:31:07.200 know what I'm saying. They had the big dookie ropes 0:31:07.240 --> 0:31:09.760 and we were just like wow, you know they they 0:31:09.840 --> 0:31:13.400 got them already. Then, Uh, everybody knew Jay Prince because 0:31:13.440 --> 0:31:15.520 we had a we had a club called the ron 0:31:15.600 --> 0:31:19.040 Stone Wrangler, which was the Tunnel back in the eighties, 0:31:19.560 --> 0:31:21.120 and and J Prince was one of the owners of 0:31:21.160 --> 0:31:24.320 that club. So uh, and then RP, the one that 0:31:24.360 --> 0:31:26.600 taught me how to scratch, was working there. On that 0:31:26.800 --> 0:31:29.520 night's so that's yeah. So he would always get me 0:31:29.640 --> 0:31:31.880 in and he this is when he's playing, he's not 0:31:32.000 --> 0:31:34.360 really playing, you know. Yeah, you play car Freak from 0:31:34.400 --> 0:31:37.480 the Ghetto Boys and play Captain Jack, who was the 0:31:37.680 --> 0:31:40.880 local DJ and radio personality. And he had a record 0:31:40.920 --> 0:31:43.960 called don't do It Like That Baby, so so de 0:31:44.200 --> 0:31:46.160 cause back then people go, yo, don't do it like 0:31:46.280 --> 0:31:49.000 that baby. That was like a saying. So he he 0:31:49.160 --> 0:31:51.800 made that as like an anthem before the fat Man scoops. 0:31:51.840 --> 0:31:54.480 This was don't do it like that baby was the anthem. 0:31:55.200 --> 0:31:57.960 So that got played and then uh then uh, and 0:31:58.080 --> 0:31:59.640 you know, Steve Farnier and all of them was a 0:31:59.720 --> 0:32:04.600 major part of Houston. But in the club, if it 0:32:04.720 --> 0:32:10.800 wasn't Ghetto Boys, it was stepsosnic uh, nobody beats to biz, 0:32:11.280 --> 0:32:14.240 make the music with your mouth, the bridge like it 0:32:14.320 --> 0:32:16.560 was those types of records in Texas like. 0:32:16.760 --> 0:32:20.600 No bias against nah nah it was fresh. 0:32:20.680 --> 0:32:23.160 I was yeah, I mean because it was the same 0:32:23.240 --> 0:32:25.560 for us like in North Carolina like it was you 0:32:25.640 --> 0:32:27.880 know when we were young, like New York. 0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:32.000 I mean that was it. So whatever was whatever was out, 0:32:32.120 --> 0:32:33.400 Yeah it was it was. 0:32:33.680 --> 0:32:37.080 It wasn't it hadn't become regionalized yet, so like at 0:32:37.160 --> 0:32:40.680 the time, so you're still are you DJing at this 0:32:40.760 --> 0:32:42.880 point or you at the time when. 0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:47.560 Eighty four, you know, into eighty five. And once I 0:32:47.640 --> 0:32:49.480 was already doing parties. But I just knew how to blend. 0:32:50.040 --> 0:32:52.080 I didn't know how to cut. I do nothing. I 0:32:52.160 --> 0:32:53.800 was just very and I used to sit down and 0:32:53.960 --> 0:32:56.520 just just spend. I wouldn't stand up. I would just 0:32:56.600 --> 0:32:59.680 sit there. Crowds rocking, and I would just sit there 0:32:59.680 --> 0:33:05.800 and go fade and everybody's still rocking. And I always 0:33:05.840 --> 0:33:08.520 had just a HoTT of stuff. And then and then, uh, 0:33:09.440 --> 0:33:12.000 how many crates are you bringing to a party at 0:33:12.040 --> 0:33:17.840 that time? Probably like ten fifteen because because everybody you know, why, 0:33:17.960 --> 0:33:20.320 because everybody help. It was a place called the Memorial Center, 0:33:20.600 --> 0:33:22.360 and then we also spun at a place called the 0:33:22.400 --> 0:33:24.160 Newman Center, which is part of the church I went to. 0:33:24.280 --> 0:33:25.800 I used to go to Catholic Church. I was the 0:33:25.880 --> 0:33:28.680 ultim boy all that stuff. And uh so the Newman 0:33:28.720 --> 0:33:31.040 Center was the place to have the jams. So it's 0:33:31.080 --> 0:33:31.560 the spot. 0:33:32.040 --> 0:33:34.320 And when we spun it at the Newman Center. 0:33:35.800 --> 0:33:38.560 And at the Memorial Center, everybody wants to get in 0:33:38.640 --> 0:33:40.360 because they you know, you got to pay to get 0:33:40.440 --> 0:33:42.240 the get in the door. They were really strict like that. 0:33:42.360 --> 0:33:45.000 Now you gotta pay, you know, they probably a dollar 0:33:45.080 --> 0:33:46.520 then and I was like a big dog, I ain't 0:33:46.560 --> 0:33:50.000 got a dollar, yo. People always help you carry the 0:33:50.040 --> 0:33:51.640 crates in and they're not there when it's time to 0:33:51.680 --> 0:33:55.040 go home. Every time you know, no one going to 0:33:55.120 --> 0:33:57.400 help you. Yeah, you know, be out of ten people 0:33:57.400 --> 0:33:58.760 will be two people to help you. 0:33:59.240 --> 0:34:00.120 So uh that. 0:34:00.200 --> 0:34:02.760 Back then, we had our own equipment, recipes to Theodore Archer. 0:34:03.600 --> 0:34:06.000 We call him Meatball. He he and I had a 0:34:06.080 --> 0:34:09.040 DJ crew. My mom made us a little cards and 0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:13.440 you know uh what we call we would call Magic Sounds. 0:34:13.800 --> 0:34:14.560 My mom named it. 0:34:14.640 --> 0:34:17.360 I didn't like it Magic Sounds. I was like, ma, 0:34:17.840 --> 0:34:20.120 cause we had Magic one O two, which was our 0:34:20.200 --> 0:34:22.480 hip hop and R and B station. But they back 0:34:22.520 --> 0:34:24.560 then they played like I said, the mix show played 0:34:24.600 --> 0:34:26.759 and nothing but predominantly New York game because that's all 0:34:26.760 --> 0:34:29.879 you really ask. But but then we had Egyptian Lover 0:34:30.800 --> 0:34:32.759 for the West Coast. You had Egyptian Lover. You had 0:34:32.800 --> 0:34:37.200 a mixed mass iced T wouldn't even even now really 0:34:37.280 --> 0:34:39.440 like yet he had a record called Cole win Madness. 0:34:39.480 --> 0:34:40.759 A lot of people don't know that he is a 0:34:40.840 --> 0:34:42.640 record on the Blue Label. 0:34:42.719 --> 0:34:45.520 Jimmy Lewis one, yeah, yes, it is. 0:34:48.239 --> 0:34:51.520 So right before it just be good to me, Jimmy 0:34:51.600 --> 0:34:55.560 James Terry Lewis would make it little instrumentals and that 0:34:55.640 --> 0:34:56.240 Blue label. 0:34:56.320 --> 0:35:11.000 Yeah you know, yeah yeah boom was that before? So 0:35:11.120 --> 0:35:14.440 that was before you named Egyptian lover. Uh was a 0:35:14.440 --> 0:35:14.759 big deal. 0:35:15.000 --> 0:35:17.800 Two show was just on the because we now I 0:35:17.880 --> 0:35:20.400 have West Coast friends who I met in college, just 0:35:20.480 --> 0:35:22.480 got Stevie, Steve. He used to be like, man, you 0:35:22.680 --> 0:35:24.920 on all that New York stuff. Y'all always put it 0:35:25.000 --> 0:35:28.000 on plus two. We put it on plus eight and 0:35:28.640 --> 0:35:30.720 I was like, so he said, yeah, can we cut faster? 0:35:30.760 --> 0:35:33.160 And he's always had an attitude. He's like, let me 0:35:33.160 --> 0:35:34.360 show you what we could do. And he put on 0:35:34.440 --> 0:35:36.280 the al and they fish from Hachene. 0:35:36.239 --> 0:35:38.279 It's time and he's like that. 0:35:38.320 --> 0:35:40.839 I'm like, wow, he's doing this fast. He's like, yeah, 0:35:40.920 --> 0:35:43.320 stick to your plus two. That's all our death. I 0:35:44.360 --> 0:35:47.160 will always remember him saying that, stick to your little 0:35:47.160 --> 0:35:49.320 plus two because he was alway. Every time he get on, 0:35:49.400 --> 0:35:50.080 he goes, can I get off? 0:35:50.800 --> 0:35:52.080 He would just slap it down. 0:35:53.080 --> 0:35:56.000 You know what, Shout to Stevie, Steve wherever you are, 0:35:56.040 --> 0:35:59.440 shout to John Twine. Uh, these are guy John Twine Man. 0:35:59.600 --> 0:36:01.520 He was like pretty boy from the West Coast. But 0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:03.440 they taught us how to do the dance called the 0:36:03.520 --> 0:36:05.719 Guests because I used to dance back then. I was 0:36:05.800 --> 0:36:08.719 in I was in a B boy crew everything. That's 0:36:08.719 --> 0:36:10.440 when you know I had footwork and everything. 0:36:10.560 --> 0:36:10.719 You know. 0:36:11.160 --> 0:36:13.839 We used to battle the legend. He used to play 0:36:13.880 --> 0:36:14.400 for the Rams. 0:36:14.480 --> 0:36:14.600 Uh. 0:36:16.920 --> 0:36:19.000 Oh my god. Harvey Williams, he used to play with 0:36:19.000 --> 0:36:21.839 the Rams and he played with the Raiders. We used 0:36:21.840 --> 0:36:24.080 to battle him and his brother Darryl Williams, and they 0:36:24.160 --> 0:36:27.000 used to wear the tuxedo jackets with with the white 0:36:27.200 --> 0:36:31.000 piezos and and the white gloves, and then they would moonwalk. 0:36:31.400 --> 0:36:33.200 They were the first one I ever saw moonwalk where 0:36:33.200 --> 0:36:36.600 it looked like they were literally floating on air. I 0:36:36.760 --> 0:36:39.080 was like, yea, all these dudes are nasty. We gotta 0:36:39.120 --> 0:36:40.280 kill him in the next battle. 0:36:41.520 --> 0:36:44.080 All right, I'm mind blowing right here. All right, you're 0:36:44.120 --> 0:36:47.719 listening to the Quest Love Supreme, O Pandura. Uh. We're 0:36:47.719 --> 0:36:50.439 here with Teams Supreme and our very special guests, DJ 0:36:50.600 --> 0:36:59.080 two plus the the, the the the Larry Love of 0:36:59.200 --> 0:37:01.400 Houston hip hop dancer. 0:37:05.440 --> 0:37:08.239 YO. So I'm like, I'm really shocked. 0:37:08.000 --> 0:37:11.560 Because the only inkling that I had that Houston even 0:37:11.600 --> 0:37:15.640 had a culture was when Chuck D shouted out ghetto 0:37:15.719 --> 0:37:18.840 Boys and on Fear of a Black Planet, Like it 0:37:19.280 --> 0:37:21.200 really wasn't even occurring. 0:37:20.800 --> 0:37:23.520 To me that way before hip hop was. 0:37:24.239 --> 0:37:27.320 And the the guy that's like the quote unquote Mellye 0:37:27.360 --> 0:37:30.080 Mel of Houston, his name is k Reno. 0:37:30.760 --> 0:37:33.440 Oh yeahno, yeah, yeah k Reno. 0:37:33.800 --> 0:37:36.200 If you asked Phase Bundy, any of them, like who's 0:37:36.440 --> 0:37:39.120 your guy, guy you look up to from Houston, They're 0:37:39.160 --> 0:37:42.200 not gonna even go I was, They're gonna automatically say 0:37:42.280 --> 0:37:45.800 k Reno. He just released an album called the Big Seven. 0:37:46.320 --> 0:37:48.359 Uh just posted on Instagram a couple of days ago. 0:37:48.440 --> 0:37:50.480 He just released seven albums all on the same day, 0:37:51.120 --> 0:37:51.600 just came out. 0:37:51.680 --> 0:37:53.240 He's just a militant work. 0:37:54.760 --> 0:37:58.000 The militant, angry just I don't just fuck you all 0:37:58.239 --> 0:38:00.759 type rapper, and he can spit. He's actually on the 0:38:00.880 --> 0:38:04.160 n YG's album on the song about It's called Introduction 0:38:04.280 --> 0:38:07.759 of Manhood, which is pretty much about, uh, how many 0:38:08.200 --> 0:38:11.919 how many youth black kids go to jail to learned 0:38:11.960 --> 0:38:14.239 to be a man because they don't really know until 0:38:14.239 --> 0:38:15.960 they hit a consequence where they got to go to 0:38:16.040 --> 0:38:17.440 jail and really face real men. 0:38:17.880 --> 0:38:19.080 So so it's all about that. 0:38:19.280 --> 0:38:22.160 So it's Kirino, you know Nyg's and Little Fame from 0:38:22.239 --> 0:38:24.640 MP It's a real hill song to beat. Its crazy 0:38:24.680 --> 0:38:28.480 and it's very serious beat. But it sounds like you 0:38:28.680 --> 0:38:33.279 you know, running highe the hoodie music. But Krino bodied it. 0:38:33.440 --> 0:38:36.880 I mean, just man, he's yeah, Krino Man, big up 0:38:36.920 --> 0:38:37.200 to him. 0:38:37.280 --> 0:38:39.120 He's the he's the you know, he's. 0:38:38.960 --> 0:38:41.560 From South Park, so that's south Side. He he's the 0:38:41.640 --> 0:38:44.640 South Park General. So you know it's really north sides 0:38:44.840 --> 0:38:47.200 and in south Side in Houston. Yeah, so and Most 0:38:47.360 --> 0:38:49.520 and then you got Most City, which is Missouri City. 0:38:49.680 --> 0:38:50.960 So you know, so. 0:38:54.120 --> 0:38:56.440 At this rate, are you thinking like, okay, this is 0:38:56.480 --> 0:39:00.759 a career for me and or is it just now 0:39:00.880 --> 0:39:03.680 how did you because you're not in the original. 0:39:04.800 --> 0:39:06.200 Gangster No, I'm in the third. 0:39:07.960 --> 0:39:13.040 Yeah, I'm the third generation. First generation is Guru Sug 0:39:13.320 --> 0:39:16.400 and Sug's brother swab d He he was that was 0:39:16.440 --> 0:39:19.279 the first gang star they named Gangstar when they were 0:39:19.320 --> 0:39:20.120 going to moreuse. 0:39:20.360 --> 0:39:21.719 You know, Sugar was hustling out. 0:39:21.640 --> 0:39:24.880 There, and uh, you know the Guru was going to college, 0:39:24.960 --> 0:39:28.480 and uh they were called the gangsters because you know, 0:39:28.560 --> 0:39:31.279 Sug wanted to keep it. Yeah, yeah, we're keeping in heart. 0:39:31.320 --> 0:39:33.120 You know, Sugar was heavy in the streets at the time. 0:39:33.680 --> 0:39:36.560 So from there they say, you know what, it's called 0:39:36.560 --> 0:39:38.800 a gang star to kind of not soften it but 0:39:38.960 --> 0:39:41.640 just have it more accessible of a name and having catchy. 0:39:41.760 --> 0:39:45.560 So they they originated the name Sug, swab d and 0:39:45.760 --> 0:39:49.680 and Guru. Then from there Sug got incarcerated, did a 0:39:49.760 --> 0:39:53.640 few years of time, and then another MC stepped in. Uh, 0:39:53.719 --> 0:39:55.400 because it was only one m C, but now it's 0:39:55.400 --> 0:39:58.680 two m C. There's Dame Odiski and Guru. But Guru 0:39:58.760 --> 0:40:00.880 wrote all the rhymes for Damo dame o. 0:40:01.200 --> 0:40:01.319 Uh. 0:40:01.640 --> 0:40:03.319 Uh would would rap with Guru. 0:40:03.400 --> 0:40:06.279 And then at the DJ, his name was Mike D 0:40:06.880 --> 0:40:08.959 but his DJ name was DJ want to be down. 0:40:09.360 --> 0:40:10.040 But he spent. 0:40:10.400 --> 0:40:15.000 But he spelled the DJ one one two, the number 0:40:15.040 --> 0:40:18.040 two B, the letter B and then down there was 0:40:18.160 --> 0:40:21.040 DJ one two be down. But if you say it 0:40:21.080 --> 0:40:23.279 all the one and if you listen to the first 0:40:23.560 --> 0:40:25.080 twelve and he goes, yeah, DJ want to be down 0:40:25.120 --> 0:40:27.440 on the DJ on the wheels, you know, so, yeah, D, 0:40:27.560 --> 0:40:30.120 they want to be down. Mike D's brother's name is 0:40:30.200 --> 0:40:33.319 gang Star T, so that's another. 0:40:33.239 --> 0:40:34.480 Edition of the name. 0:40:34.680 --> 0:40:37.960 But even though they had already started Gang Star already 0:40:38.040 --> 0:40:41.120 with Sug and swave D and Guru, but Gangstar T 0:40:41.880 --> 0:40:43.960 was a known guy in Boston. And again Mike D 0:40:44.160 --> 0:40:46.600 is his brother in the group. So that's how that 0:40:46.800 --> 0:40:50.080 that those affiliations happened. And then when it got to 0:40:50.160 --> 0:40:52.040 the point of Guru staying in New York when he's 0:40:52.040 --> 0:40:55.120 living in Brooklyn, he and he got with me. He 0:40:55.320 --> 0:40:56.799 was like, man, if they're not gonna come up here 0:40:56.840 --> 0:40:59.680 and help, you know, for get us to the point 0:40:59.719 --> 0:41:02.120 where they're only showing up in their shows and money, 0:41:02.600 --> 0:41:04.239 I'm I'm not gonna have them be in the group 0:41:04.280 --> 0:41:05.239 and it's just gonna be me and you. 0:41:05.640 --> 0:41:07.239 So I was like, well, that's on you. 0:41:07.400 --> 0:41:09.640 And that's when that that beef started where they were like, well, 0:41:09.680 --> 0:41:11.480 we're gonna be Gangster a posse and. 0:41:11.719 --> 0:41:14.080 Uh, you know, that's when little Shabb who's from. 0:41:13.960 --> 0:41:16.480 Meast, New York, he was friends with Jay Ruth Damager 0:41:16.560 --> 0:41:19.400 and then that that that they kind of angry that 0:41:19.600 --> 0:41:22.360 that Guru kept running with the name. So they started that, 0:41:22.520 --> 0:41:24.200 but then you know, that got shut down quick. We 0:41:24.280 --> 0:41:26.520 were doing dis records and stuff like that, and I 0:41:26.560 --> 0:41:29.360 didn't I didn't know them, but I knew whoever it is, 0:41:29.600 --> 0:41:32.080 if it's to that degree where we gotta gotta get 0:41:32.080 --> 0:41:34.799 it on. I was always like not was I am 0:41:34.960 --> 0:41:38.560 still from line if it's something that's gonna protect our 0:41:38.680 --> 0:41:40.759 team and and and I'm like that to this day. 0:41:45.239 --> 0:41:47.920 How did you and Guru even meet? Because you signed 0:41:47.960 --> 0:41:52.720 it with this and the wild pitch he finds your demo? 0:41:53.000 --> 0:41:56.279 Right, well, Guru really found the demos that still checked this. 0:41:57.440 --> 0:41:58.719 So how did you and him actually meet? 0:41:59.360 --> 0:42:01.520 So Stu said, you know, I should put you all together, 0:42:01.640 --> 0:42:06.120 but I wanted to student sign the MCS in control. 0:42:06.200 --> 0:42:07.960 But now we've changed our name to I c P, 0:42:08.120 --> 0:42:11.240 which was in a circle posse. But there's a reggae 0:42:11.280 --> 0:42:11.880 group called. 0:42:11.800 --> 0:42:15.000 That that's yeah. I was like yeah. 0:42:15.360 --> 0:42:18.800 So so with that we were just like we're just 0:42:18.920 --> 0:42:20.640 we're just I c P, you know, and we'll say 0:42:20.640 --> 0:42:21.480 in a circle posse and. 0:42:25.680 --> 0:42:28.719 Wow, what equipment were you using then? 0:42:28.760 --> 0:42:31.279 I was Carlos had an SB twelve that he had 0:42:31.320 --> 0:42:34.440 bought and twelve the Perl the blue, so you couldn't 0:42:34.440 --> 0:42:35.040 save the sound. 0:42:35.920 --> 0:42:36.879 I bought the drive. 0:42:37.080 --> 0:42:40.400 You know that you have the big, big flat square 0:42:41.000 --> 0:42:43.359 you know, the one it's like a ten inch disc. 0:42:43.520 --> 0:42:46.760 You know, we save. 0:42:51.239 --> 0:42:54.040 So so, but then when you saved it and you 0:42:54.160 --> 0:42:56.680 load it back up and it's all like, you know, 0:42:57.120 --> 0:42:59.719 it's not playing back the same. But I learned how 0:42:59.760 --> 0:43:03.120 to trunk do everything, and I would just make it 0:43:03.160 --> 0:43:05.879 and go directly to my cassette decks because I'm like, damn, 0:43:05.880 --> 0:43:08.680 it's not saving anything the way I want. So if 0:43:08.760 --> 0:43:10.720 you know, I can't reload it up to play it again, 0:43:11.560 --> 0:43:18.279 and then uh yeah. And then when I got to 0:43:18.400 --> 0:43:21.120 New York with that, you know Gord he shot to 0:43:21.160 --> 0:43:24.000 Gordon Franklin. They were they They went to Periview as well, 0:43:24.080 --> 0:43:26.160 so that's how we all met. So when I told 0:43:26.200 --> 0:43:27.480 him I was coming back and I wanted to get 0:43:27.520 --> 0:43:30.879 some demos done to hopefully get a gang star at 0:43:30.880 --> 0:43:32.279 the time, Stuart was like, well, I just don't like 0:43:32.320 --> 0:43:33.759 the way you got wraps. He didn't like the way 0:43:33.800 --> 0:43:37.160 Top rap, and uh because the demo me and Top 0:43:37.239 --> 0:43:40.200 did is what got that got us to Stull wanting 0:43:40.239 --> 0:43:42.360 to sign us. So that's why I'm like, I'm not 0:43:42.440 --> 0:43:44.840 going to leave him and you like the demo that 0:43:45.000 --> 0:43:48.880 we cut. Yeah, we had one called We're Fantastic. We 0:43:49.000 --> 0:43:51.800 had one called Up Another Level. We had let my 0:43:51.880 --> 0:43:54.520 DJ get Hyped, which was him rapping about me and 0:43:54.560 --> 0:43:57.600 I was looping, uh uh people make the World go 0:43:57.640 --> 0:43:58.680 around from Michael. 0:43:58.480 --> 0:44:04.200 Jackson, boom boom, boom boom. I just kept just boogo 0:44:04.239 --> 0:44:04.799 boogo boom. 0:44:05.160 --> 0:44:09.200 Because my my man Skeet, who was our neighbor in 0:44:09.280 --> 0:44:11.200 East New York, taught me how to work a for 0:44:11.280 --> 0:44:12.560 a track. I was like, wow, so I could just 0:44:12.640 --> 0:44:14.680 cut this for like five minutes. Now I got that, 0:44:14.800 --> 0:44:18.240 and then I would just cut the dun from the Wilton, 0:44:18.400 --> 0:44:21.440 I mean from the mil Jackson version yellow covered with 0:44:21.480 --> 0:44:21.799 the red. 0:44:22.719 --> 0:44:25.440 I cut that over it. Then that was the That 0:44:25.600 --> 0:44:26.000 was the beat. 0:44:27.080 --> 0:44:30.239 Let my DJ get Hype turned into DJ Premieres and 0:44:30.320 --> 0:44:32.800 Deep Concentration because he said, let me get off the 0:44:32.880 --> 0:44:36.520 mic and let my DJ get hyped. Gepkeepepet get kip, 0:44:36.600 --> 0:44:38.279 give the man behind the wheels and so all the 0:44:38.360 --> 0:44:41.560 cuts that I did on that became Deep Concentration. Once 0:44:41.600 --> 0:44:43.719 I joined Gang Star, but I and I and I 0:44:43.880 --> 0:44:47.319 found my demo tape that I gave Stu, and Stu 0:44:47.719 --> 0:44:49.640 gave it back to me. It's in great condition. I'm 0:44:49.640 --> 0:44:53.279 about to transfer it because I you know, and digitize 0:44:53.320 --> 0:44:59.839 it because that's you know, safety stuff. Yeah, no, real, 0:45:00.000 --> 0:45:02.480 I'm not joking. Even the writing on it, and and 0:45:03.040 --> 0:45:04.800 you know, just looking at it like wow, this is 0:45:05.640 --> 0:45:07.800 And I found the law for Nes demo. 0:45:08.239 --> 0:45:09.239 Law Ferness wrote his own. 0:45:09.600 --> 0:45:12.120 He put Lawfulness the Funky Technician on it, with his 0:45:12.239 --> 0:45:16.080 own handwriting, with the nice you know, graffiti style handwriting 0:45:16.080 --> 0:45:18.000 and everything, you know. And that's how I met law 0:45:18.080 --> 0:45:21.840 for Ness when he became our label mate. You know, 0:45:21.960 --> 0:45:24.080 that was the first person I ever produced us outside 0:45:24.080 --> 0:45:27.000 of gang Star. But yeah when when when? Uh with 0:45:27.200 --> 0:45:30.520 my partner. As far as how we separated, uh top 0:45:30.880 --> 0:45:33.480 but we Stu even said, look, I'll put you all 0:45:33.480 --> 0:45:36.239 in the studio. Maybe you need a professional studio. Maybe 0:45:36.280 --> 0:45:40.000 I like him, puts in the professional studio. Next thing, 0:45:40.080 --> 0:45:42.239 you know, we do a couple more demos. He's like, 0:45:42.280 --> 0:45:44.279 I still don't like your guys. So I said, I'm 0:45:44.320 --> 0:45:47.040 not that. I can't join gangst unless unless I'm with 0:45:47.160 --> 0:45:51.640 my dude. Time passed. We cut them more demos, still 0:45:51.719 --> 0:45:54.920 no work. We went to every label still nothing. The 0:45:55.040 --> 0:45:57.600 Top said, yo, man, in the next couple of months, 0:45:57.640 --> 0:45:59.640 if we don't get a deal, I'm going into the military. 0:45:59.680 --> 0:45:59.840 You know. 0:46:00.000 --> 0:46:03.560 I was like, nah, not you, that's not even He's 0:46:03.880 --> 0:46:07.680 so street, It's like, that's not even leaving you man. 0:46:07.840 --> 0:46:09.359 We got to knock on the door cause we all 0:46:09.400 --> 0:46:11.799 were living with Gordon's family now, you know, hanging out 0:46:11.800 --> 0:46:16.120 in the basement living there, Me Gordon, brother Gary, Uh 0:46:16.360 --> 0:46:18.319 and me and Top and I dance a HL rock 0:46:18.320 --> 0:46:22.120 shot shot to HL and next thing you know, Dud's 0:46:22.120 --> 0:46:24.080 at the door and he's like in the uniform, going, hey, 0:46:24.080 --> 0:46:26.000 I'm looking for Theodore Campbell. And I'm like for what 0:46:26.560 --> 0:46:28.920 he said, Uh, he's leaving today, you know he he 0:46:29.560 --> 0:46:31.160 I thought he was bluffing, and he said, yeah, you're 0:46:31.200 --> 0:46:35.600 joining the military. I'm like, yo, time, yelling down, yelling 0:46:35.680 --> 0:46:38.720 down in the I was just explaining this at another interview. 0:46:38.760 --> 0:46:40.560 I was just and he comes up the stairs with 0:46:40.640 --> 0:46:43.360 his bags already packed, and I'm like, you're really leaving 0:46:43.680 --> 0:46:46.200 and he was like yeah, and he said it's rapp 0:46:46.239 --> 0:46:49.239 ain't working. I was like, nowhere is I leave me Like, 0:46:49.239 --> 0:46:51.360 I'm stuck here in New York without you? Because I 0:46:51.480 --> 0:46:54.239 really thought we were gonna make and he's like, yo, 0:46:54.320 --> 0:46:56.080 and he said, and I thought he enlisted for like 0:46:56.160 --> 0:46:58.520 a year. I was gonna wait and just be like, 0:46:58.640 --> 0:47:00.880 when you come home, we'll do it again. He's a 0:47:01.000 --> 0:47:02.240 ninelists for four years. 0:47:03.080 --> 0:47:05.600 N like, now, that's a lifetime to wrap called. 0:47:08.640 --> 0:47:11.160 My partner just left. He went to the Navy, and 0:47:11.320 --> 0:47:15.279 he's like, so that's when I joined Google captain. Now 0:47:16.080 --> 0:47:19.640 he actually got discharged, but uh, he's doing well. He's 0:47:19.680 --> 0:47:23.279 got got a beautiful family. We're homies. We still see 0:47:23.280 --> 0:47:25.960 each other everything. Like I said, I see everybody took it. 0:47:26.040 --> 0:47:28.759 But we all always calling each other, texting each other. 0:47:28.800 --> 0:47:31.680 Everything's good and good with everybody, so no hard feelings. 0:47:31.960 --> 0:47:34.400 It's in the vein of third base. It's almost like 0:47:34.640 --> 0:47:37.760 an arranged marriage. Yeah, yeah, that worked. 0:47:38.080 --> 0:47:42.640 That was or did it both? 0:47:43.440 --> 0:47:45.880 And I told at the beginning, I said, listen, I 0:47:46.040 --> 0:47:49.640 still want to produce other acts, you know, so please 0:47:50.160 --> 0:47:51.480 you know you got a problem with that, let me know. 0:47:51.560 --> 0:47:53.239 He's like, nah, I'm cool with that. Just I want 0:47:53.280 --> 0:47:55.440 you to DJ for me or whatever, and you know, 0:47:55.719 --> 0:47:56.759 make the records for me too. 0:47:56.800 --> 0:47:57.480 And I was like cool. 0:47:57.560 --> 0:47:59.279 I said, well then I'll be in the group with you, 0:47:59.440 --> 0:48:01.000 but i'mstill produce outside of that. 0:48:01.360 --> 0:48:04.200 So no more missed the nice guy I read. I 0:48:04.239 --> 0:48:05.840 think there was another of you said the album was 0:48:05.920 --> 0:48:06.319 done in. 0:48:06.440 --> 0:48:08.440 Like ten twelve days. 0:48:08.520 --> 0:48:12.480 Yeah, that I wasn't really nasty yet as far as 0:48:12.840 --> 0:48:16.120 being being confident to say I am a beat maker producer, 0:48:16.800 --> 0:48:19.239 that really was me guru. This now is nest me 0:48:19.320 --> 0:48:19.960 twelve hundred. 0:48:20.200 --> 0:48:22.240 You know, this is me Guru. 0:48:22.360 --> 0:48:25.040 And Slowmo's son and fell and we were in Brooklyn 0:48:25.120 --> 0:48:27.920 at such a sound studios, and uh, I used to 0:48:27.920 --> 0:48:29.840 see King of Chill there all the time, Like wow, 0:48:30.200 --> 0:48:31.880 I think it was King of Chill, you know, like 0:48:32.120 --> 0:48:34.600 my man. You know, like I was such a big fan, 0:48:34.840 --> 0:48:36.680 and I didn't really know how to work that's not 0:48:36.840 --> 0:48:40.160 fifty yet in Akai, that's not fifty Sampler and me 0:48:40.239 --> 0:48:41.560 and him got cool and he's like, yo, if you 0:48:41.560 --> 0:48:43.719 want to come to my mom's house, I'll teach you 0:48:43.760 --> 0:48:44.279 how to how. 0:48:44.200 --> 0:48:44.480 To work it. 0:48:44.520 --> 0:48:45.680 So I used to go to Crown Ice to take 0:48:45.719 --> 0:48:47.880 the train and bought me a nine to fifty of 0:48:47.960 --> 0:48:49.719 my own and he taught me at his mom's house 0:48:49.760 --> 0:48:51.640 with no drum machine attached, so I didn't have anything 0:48:51.680 --> 0:48:53.480 to trigger it. He just taught me how to loop 0:48:53.600 --> 0:48:55.520 and everything. And I used to always go to King 0:48:55.560 --> 0:48:57.839 of Chill's house and learn all of that. So once 0:48:57.880 --> 0:49:00.120 I got that master, then he said, man, and you 0:49:00.160 --> 0:49:02.440 could buy you like a little basic device that can 0:49:02.560 --> 0:49:04.480 MIDI up. You know, I was learning this whole MIDI thing, 0:49:04.920 --> 0:49:06.800 and he said, and you can trigger all your sounds. 0:49:06.840 --> 0:49:09.360 And once I did that, I started going, oh, okay, 0:49:09.440 --> 0:49:11.160 I get it. And but I didn't know how to 0:49:11.200 --> 0:49:15.080 do chopping until I'm at show Biz because because now 0:49:15.120 --> 0:49:17.200 the law for our label made. He's like, ya, want 0:49:17.200 --> 0:49:19.120 you to meet one of my homemies from my from 0:49:19.160 --> 0:49:19.760 my projects. 0:49:19.800 --> 0:49:20.640 He's dope. 0:49:21.160 --> 0:49:23.520 He named show Viz. You know, show was in the street, 0:49:24.040 --> 0:49:25.920 but he was nasty with the beats. And that's how 0:49:25.920 --> 0:49:27.960 I'm at Diamond, and that's how I'm at the whole 0:49:28.000 --> 0:49:30.319 D I T C. And I'm in fact Joe way 0:49:30.400 --> 0:49:30.759 back before. 0:49:31.880 --> 0:49:36.400 Yeah, that's then they were active, Oh yeah, just waiting 0:49:36.480 --> 0:49:37.680 for the wait for that time. 0:49:38.920 --> 0:49:41.800 And uh and Patrick really liked you know, Showz was 0:49:41.840 --> 0:49:44.359 doing everything on his own ride the trunk of a car. 0:49:45.200 --> 0:49:48.080 Patrick liked like show Biz music. So that's why he's like, yo, 0:49:48.160 --> 0:49:49.800 let's sign them to pay day, and that's how we 0:49:49.920 --> 0:49:53.920 all got Yeah. Well when I when we did No 0:49:53.960 --> 0:49:57.279 woman's a nice guy. We were all on the drum 0:49:57.320 --> 0:50:00.160 machine together, like we'd be side by side and I'm like, 0:50:00.200 --> 0:50:02.360 I'll hit this, you hit that, and. 0:50:02.400 --> 0:50:03.640 Slo almost like, well I'll hit this. 0:50:03.920 --> 0:50:07.840 They are like bombs were really yeah, because if you 0:50:08.120 --> 0:50:10.919 hear the production what songs, all of them. 0:50:11.560 --> 0:50:14.800 Because I'm saying everything was so wait a minute, so 0:50:16.440 --> 0:50:20.080 or cause and effect. That's someone doing the highest yo, 0:50:21.400 --> 0:50:22.880 yo dog, and. 0:50:22.960 --> 0:50:25.640 You were trying to replicate that. I was like, yo, 0:50:25.760 --> 0:50:31.560 is there a describancy program because that was starting getting. 0:50:32.200 --> 0:50:35.960 Because I didn't understand yeah, because he went because I 0:50:36.080 --> 0:50:37.400 never liked the quantize, so. 0:50:37.960 --> 0:50:39.840 I like it loose. And once he told me, I 0:50:39.920 --> 0:50:40.719 was like, how can you make it? 0:50:40.800 --> 0:50:42.759 Do it with it's almost like you're doing it. He 0:50:42.840 --> 0:50:44.880 said you could turn the quantize off. I thought everything 0:50:44.960 --> 0:50:47.000 was just one sixteen. So when he told me that, 0:50:47.239 --> 0:50:48.000 I'm just liked. 0:50:48.719 --> 0:50:51.200 You know, oh yeah, it's I gotta hear this for 0:50:51.280 --> 0:51:02.399 one second. This caused effect by gangster. You ain't living right, punk, 0:51:02.760 --> 0:51:05.040 I'll like to school you're not rue you But I said, yo, 0:51:05.120 --> 0:51:07.480 you fool yourself when you try to deny the five 0:51:07.520 --> 0:51:08.280 written long. 0:51:12.080 --> 0:51:17.680 Hoped each other because we're doing it like he might go, 0:51:23.040 --> 0:51:26.000 you know, like that's how it was, Like we really 0:51:26.520 --> 0:51:28.640 but you know what, I'm not I'm. 0:51:28.560 --> 0:51:32.680 Really not mad at that at all, because what you know, 0:51:33.080 --> 0:51:39.360 Marlon Jackson said when that Off the Wall documentary that 0:51:40.480 --> 0:51:44.959 sometimes mistakes and and the human element makes the song 0:51:45.120 --> 0:51:49.800 breathe better. And you know, like I really didn't know 0:51:49.880 --> 0:51:53.320 the importance of quantizing until like some dj started complaining 0:51:53.480 --> 0:51:58.520 that they can't blend rare stuff to you know, and 0:51:58.640 --> 0:52:00.799 I was like, all right, I'll do it, damn click track. 0:52:00.960 --> 0:52:05.960 But you know, like I would have Okay, now this 0:52:06.160 --> 0:52:08.080 there's a lot of the records making sense to me 0:52:08.200 --> 0:52:10.919 now that I realized that you guys were just doing 0:52:10.960 --> 0:52:12.800 it triggering live with your hands. 0:52:13.520 --> 0:52:15.480 So after that, when y'all do know him, it's a 0:52:15.520 --> 0:52:18.879 nice guy. How do you make the transition from wild 0:52:18.960 --> 0:52:20.360 Pitch to Chrysalis? 0:52:20.760 --> 0:52:23.920 For got to give it up to Spike Lee and 0:52:24.160 --> 0:52:29.359 and uh brand from Marcellus. Oh yeah, because we had 0:52:29.400 --> 0:52:33.280 done jazz music. Spike saw Spike saw the video towards 0:52:33.360 --> 0:52:36.040 our manifest thought girl looking like Malcolm X in the 0:52:36.160 --> 0:52:38.279 video that prompted. 0:52:38.120 --> 0:52:38.800 The Body album. 0:52:39.000 --> 0:52:42.080 He bought the album and was and heard jazz music. 0:52:42.160 --> 0:52:43.680 And it was during the time he was doing Mo 0:52:43.840 --> 0:52:46.640 Better Blues. So when he was doing more the Better Blues, 0:52:47.040 --> 0:52:49.000 he reached out to us and plus is Brooklyn. You know, 0:52:49.080 --> 0:52:50.960 he was saying, Brooklyn is Brooklyn now, so he you know, 0:52:51.040 --> 0:52:54.800 he's very pro Brooklyn. And he said, I remember he 0:52:54.880 --> 0:52:57.040 called us and said, yo, man, I love that song. 0:52:57.160 --> 0:52:59.839 Y'all did shouting out all the jazz grades, but y'all 0:52:59.880 --> 0:53:02.319 have out a lot of people. And I was like, well, 0:53:02.360 --> 0:53:04.719 we actually did that for our grandfathers because they win 0:53:04.840 --> 0:53:07.880 jazz bands and and we did that to dedicate to them, 0:53:07.920 --> 0:53:10.920 because before my grandfather passed, he said, we want you 0:53:10.960 --> 0:53:13.319 to do a record about about the jazz grades if 0:53:13.360 --> 0:53:17.800 you really you know, respect, you know, the music of 0:53:17.880 --> 0:53:19.960 the past. So we did it as a tribute to them. 0:53:20.000 --> 0:53:22.440 We weren't really like, really focusing on it. And it's 0:53:22.440 --> 0:53:24.640 the only record on there about jazz, you know what 0:53:24.680 --> 0:53:27.440 I'm saying. Everything else is the other subject matter. You know, 0:53:27.520 --> 0:53:31.360 battle rhymes, and Gul's always liked to do battle rhyme stuff. Anyway, 0:53:32.040 --> 0:53:35.080 next thing, you know, they said, well we want you 0:53:35.160 --> 0:53:38.920 to do a better version of what you did, but 0:53:39.400 --> 0:53:41.480 we want brand for ourselves to help you do it. 0:53:42.040 --> 0:53:43.920 And he said, we got a poem by this guy 0:53:44.000 --> 0:53:47.200 named Eric Eli and it didn't rhyme. But I remember 0:53:47.239 --> 0:53:48.759 gru looked at the at the run and said, and 0:53:48.840 --> 0:53:51.239 they don't rhyme. And Spikeel said do it and do 0:53:51.360 --> 0:53:53.919 whatever you want, but mention those names that you didn't mention. 0:53:54.719 --> 0:53:57.839 Grew just said, you know, Charlie Ming is such number 0:53:57.880 --> 0:54:00.560 of fingers, you know, just little feeling. Because he had 0:54:00.600 --> 0:54:02.799 all the names and it was pretty much a done thing. 0:54:03.160 --> 0:54:06.080 He right, Grew writes fast, done and we cut the 0:54:06.280 --> 0:54:10.040 cut the vocal. My original version was the one that's 0:54:10.040 --> 0:54:10.920 in the video. 0:54:12.520 --> 0:54:13.080 Cool in the game. 0:54:14.080 --> 0:54:16.239 That was the demo I presented to say we should 0:54:16.280 --> 0:54:18.560 do it over this with brand from them. They were like, no, 0:54:18.640 --> 0:54:20.880 we need instrumentation and we want to make it a broad, 0:54:21.239 --> 0:54:24.360 big thing for the soundtrack. So we did that and 0:54:24.560 --> 0:54:27.080 that's why that version on the soundtrack is very well, 0:54:27.160 --> 0:54:30.480 it's like a big production. When it came to the video, 0:54:31.160 --> 0:54:33.399 Spike was like, yo, I want to use your version 0:54:33.480 --> 0:54:36.040 for the video, which he was like, cool, So we did. 0:54:36.120 --> 0:54:39.479 We did that and then all of a sudden shout 0:54:39.600 --> 0:54:44.160 to uh Duff Marlow saw the video and uh, I 0:54:44.320 --> 0:54:46.080 just reached out to him on Twitter. I just shout 0:54:46.160 --> 0:54:47.200 him out and all of a sudden, I me and 0:54:47.320 --> 0:54:49.960 him talking again. You know, he's he's doing well. I 0:54:49.960 --> 0:54:52.680 haven't seen him in years. And he's the one that 0:54:52.760 --> 0:54:55.640 said to get a sign and we got signed to Christmas. 0:54:55.800 --> 0:54:59.239 So then when y'all did the stepping the Arena, which 0:54:59.360 --> 0:55:01.919 I don't know this, that's the first CD I ever bought, 0:55:02.520 --> 0:55:05.160 the long Box and she was like eighteen dollars. 0:55:05.960 --> 0:55:11.120 But no, actually, yeah, sure have a I have a 0:55:11.360 --> 0:55:14.640 reputation for stealing. Yeah, for stealing. In my early days 0:55:14.680 --> 0:55:21.920 before I found I used to steal cause we skipped 0:55:21.960 --> 0:55:22.239 that part. 0:55:22.360 --> 0:55:25.880 We just we we we were all about stealing stereos, 0:55:25.960 --> 0:55:28.640 you know, so so and then but then my own 0:55:28.800 --> 0:55:33.960 friends who used to steal got me. I remember when 0:55:33.960 --> 0:55:35.839 I walked out and saw the hole of my door, 0:55:36.120 --> 0:55:39.320 you know, because what it was I used and and 0:55:39.600 --> 0:55:41.520 all that stuff. We used to do, all that stuff, man, 0:55:41.560 --> 0:55:43.560 And I was like, dann, they got me from my 0:55:43.960 --> 0:55:46.320 system because I used to put all the systems in 0:55:46.400 --> 0:55:48.920 my neighborhood in people's cars. So I was nice with it, 0:55:49.440 --> 0:55:52.520 and I was just like, man, they got me, you know, 0:55:52.600 --> 0:55:55.160 I you know, got another one, but yeah I had 0:55:55.239 --> 0:55:59.400 no yeah man, you know yeah. So it stepped in 0:55:59.840 --> 0:56:01.759 a thieves that that I used to that I used 0:56:01.760 --> 0:56:04.040 to rock with and you know, I won't say their names, 0:56:04.680 --> 0:56:08.240 but uh so and stepping the renal what was because 0:56:08.280 --> 0:56:10.480 that was I remember buying that one. Well I didn't 0:56:10.520 --> 0:56:15.120 buy my grandmother bought it for me and I remember no, no, 0:56:16.840 --> 0:56:18.239 it was like from I think we got it. 0:56:18.280 --> 0:56:20.840 I think I got it like a Walmart soign. But 0:56:21.520 --> 0:56:23.200 but yeah, that was. That was my first CD. 0:56:23.320 --> 0:56:26.839 And so with that record, from what I could tell, 0:56:27.080 --> 0:56:29.200 it sounded like the production you were starting to get 0:56:29.280 --> 0:56:29.680 a better. 0:56:30.040 --> 0:56:30.239 Yeah. 0:56:31.160 --> 0:56:35.800 Now I wanted the sound to be like the Jungle 0:56:35.880 --> 0:56:37.719 Brothers because they worked at Calliope. 0:56:37.880 --> 0:56:40.000 This is what brought me to Calliope for this album. 0:56:40.360 --> 0:56:47.480 You went to Calibe. Yeah yeah, okay, like. 0:56:49.040 --> 0:56:50.560 S L E L E E T. 0:56:50.960 --> 0:56:51.840 I remember reading it. 0:56:52.000 --> 0:56:55.000 Yeah, And it's so crazy because because whenever I wanted 0:56:55.080 --> 0:56:57.759 to do something off and lay it down, he had 0:56:57.800 --> 0:57:01.280 this thing called the Russian Dragon. So if you're Russian, 0:57:01.440 --> 0:57:04.000 it will it'll tell you if it's Russian. And if 0:57:04.000 --> 0:57:07.000 it's dragging, it'll go dragging. But it's called the Russian Dragon. 0:57:07.239 --> 0:57:09.520 Had a dragon on the on the front of the thing. 0:57:10.080 --> 0:57:12.319 It was all these lights that that it's a it's 0:57:12.360 --> 0:57:14.440 a light that's in the middle that's green and if 0:57:14.480 --> 0:57:16.000 it's rushing, it'll go red and if. 0:57:15.880 --> 0:57:17.000 It's draggon, it'll go yellow. 0:57:17.720 --> 0:57:21.720 And yeah, you used to turn it to if you 0:57:22.000 --> 0:57:24.040 if you put it on a track and run it 0:57:24.080 --> 0:57:26.280 through that track, when you turn the dill, it would 0:57:26.360 --> 0:57:27.000 move it for you. 0:57:27.640 --> 0:57:31.320 You know. Yeah, it's called the Russian Dragon. What are 0:57:31.360 --> 0:57:33.680 you here for, Steve? You know what I mean? 0:57:34.080 --> 0:57:34.880 That's incredible. 0:57:35.720 --> 0:57:37.320 Yeah, what year was that? 0:57:38.080 --> 0:57:40.360 That was going into ninety two because we were working 0:57:40.400 --> 0:57:45.360 on daily operation. But as far as this is where, well, 0:57:45.520 --> 0:57:48.600 prior to daily operation, yes, Stepanie Arena, who was all 0:57:48.720 --> 0:57:51.120 our lead except for Justicett Rebends was still done. It's 0:57:51.120 --> 0:57:54.760 such a sound and firehouse which is your Vazan who 0:57:54.840 --> 0:57:57.880 was partners with Slow Moo and they started two studios. 0:57:58.120 --> 0:58:00.200 So now it's such a sound and firehouse. And that's 0:58:00.480 --> 0:58:02.560 when King of Chill started to just be feed. He 0:58:02.720 --> 0:58:04.440 ran fire house pretty much and I was still in 0:58:04.520 --> 0:58:06.720 such a sound. But we did just to get a 0:58:06.720 --> 0:58:10.160 rep there and we did say your prayers there and 0:58:10.320 --> 0:58:15.600 we did, uh, what is it boom a street ministry. 0:58:16.480 --> 0:58:20.040 Yeah, yeah, there it is. That's it. That's it. That's 0:58:20.080 --> 0:58:21.720 the Russian drag. That's it. 0:58:22.400 --> 0:58:25.000 Yeah, we need that so so and I never I 0:58:25.120 --> 0:58:27.160 was like what the hell is that? But he was like, 0:58:27.280 --> 0:58:29.320 this is how you can move your your track either 0:58:29.400 --> 0:58:30.840 forward or bagard was to get it and if you 0:58:30.880 --> 0:58:35.160 wanted to be a little more off. So so from there, uh, 0:58:35.520 --> 0:58:37.560 I finally got in a lessons drum machine that could 0:58:37.560 --> 0:58:41.600 trigger my my sampler and h the first beat I 0:58:41.680 --> 0:58:44.440 did was you know, for Cloby, I did step in 0:58:44.480 --> 0:58:46.600 the arena because I always wanted to loop that that 0:58:46.720 --> 0:58:50.440 the horny horns looped it up and Guru wrote that 0:58:50.600 --> 0:58:54.600 right away we cut it and then uh, from there 0:58:54.640 --> 0:58:56.920 everything just started flowing, man, and I started just getting 0:58:56.960 --> 0:58:59.840 better with understanding because, like I said, now I learned 0:58:59.880 --> 0:59:03.080 how to filter better with Pete and I already knew 0:59:03.120 --> 0:59:05.920 peeting them and Lodge Professor. They taught me how to 0:59:06.000 --> 0:59:08.959 filter and do all of those things. And show Biz 0:59:09.000 --> 0:59:10.600 taught me how to chop and he was like, yo, 0:59:10.640 --> 0:59:12.560 if you put it on the same output, it cuts 0:59:12.600 --> 0:59:15.160 the sample off and you can do it. 0:59:15.320 --> 0:59:15.919 I'm like wow. 0:59:16.080 --> 0:59:18.520 So then I'm taking all these tools from show Biz 0:59:18.720 --> 0:59:21.960 Large Professor and Pete and then applying my way with 0:59:22.080 --> 0:59:26.240 the Mallie mentality and the scratching mentality. And I said, 0:59:26.520 --> 0:59:29.000 I want always and all these scratch like I did 0:59:29.040 --> 0:59:30.520 because I want to DJs to be like. 0:59:30.880 --> 0:59:31.919 You hear what he cut? 0:59:32.240 --> 0:59:35.160 Because I figured AT's not gonna really care about the 0:59:35.240 --> 0:59:35.840 cutting part. 0:59:36.080 --> 0:59:36.720 No, we care. 0:59:36.920 --> 0:59:40.000 You know, you know it's going yo he cut this line. 0:59:40.160 --> 0:59:42.760 So I knew DJ to be like yo, he's killing 0:59:42.840 --> 0:59:44.680 it on the cut. So that's why I did it 0:59:44.760 --> 0:59:45.400 for DJs. 0:59:45.640 --> 0:59:47.840 Now you well, it's funny you say it because as 0:59:48.080 --> 0:59:51.360 MC's for me as a kid listening, it was always 0:59:51.360 --> 0:59:54.600 dope to me how you would take parts of different songs. 0:59:55.080 --> 0:59:57.200 But like, you know, it's almost like a collage, you 0:59:57.240 --> 0:59:58.440 know what I mean. It was like you would take 0:59:58.480 --> 1:00:00.880 all these things and put them together. And I remember hearing. 1:00:01.240 --> 1:00:03.840 I mean, you know, like with mathematics, we took the 1:00:03.880 --> 1:00:06.520 cut in to do your math pile. I never would 1:00:06.520 --> 1:00:08.960 have thought unbelievable. With the I was like, what the fuck, 1:00:09.480 --> 1:00:10.160 why do you do that? 1:00:11.120 --> 1:00:13.320 It just comes to me like that as a DJ, 1:00:13.640 --> 1:00:17.440 it's all DJ oriented. Everything for me is DJ orient first, 1:00:17.640 --> 1:00:19.760 you know, even from what I do as a producer, 1:00:20.600 --> 1:00:23.200 everything is starts from just DJing. Like if I had 1:00:23.280 --> 1:00:25.760 to pick out of everything I like making, like I 1:00:25.840 --> 1:00:26.480 just like DJing. 1:00:33.600 --> 1:00:38.640 Okay, not that I think you will confirm this question, 1:00:39.560 --> 1:00:44.439 but for the sake of quantizing stuff, do you think, 1:00:44.800 --> 1:00:49.280 all right, do you think have you ever just especially 1:00:49.280 --> 1:00:53.840 if it's a sharp cut, just what I call pulling 1:00:54.200 --> 1:00:59.360 a doctor ice utfo like cut it via your your 1:01:00.320 --> 1:01:03.200 n PC or you're through your German machine. 1:01:03.360 --> 1:01:09.080 Oh no for you? Oh yeah, he he'll tell you. 1:01:10.040 --> 1:01:13.120 I'm hard on myself when it comes to laying my strategy. 1:01:13.320 --> 1:01:16.080 No, yo, listen, we did We were doing cuts for 1:01:16.160 --> 1:01:18.919 the breaks, and he was doing what he was doing. 1:01:18.960 --> 1:01:21.440 We wasn't doing ship. We was watching, but he was 1:01:21.520 --> 1:01:25.320 doing he was cutting. Uh yeah, yeah, yeah, he's cutting. 1:01:25.440 --> 1:01:27.680 I did it with the actual record. Yeah he wasn't. 1:01:27.760 --> 1:01:29.320 It wasn't it was the real. 1:01:31.440 --> 1:01:33.640 I could have done the Serado, Yeah why not? And 1:01:33.800 --> 1:01:37.000 I kept going, I kept going no again again, and 1:01:37.160 --> 1:01:39.480 in every take we'd be like I was, I was 1:01:39.520 --> 1:01:43.920 doing like, no, it was just a little again when 1:01:43.960 --> 1:01:44.240 you were. 1:01:44.200 --> 1:01:53.520 Going okay, let me just go to pro tools. No no, no, yeah, okay. 1:01:53.640 --> 1:01:57.200 And I was saying to you, but I'm just saying 1:01:57.560 --> 1:02:00.160 I didn't know people even did that. He's still what 1:02:00.280 --> 1:02:02.560 mixes like he's only running. 1:02:02.320 --> 1:02:05.440 Through okay, so that they would see. 1:02:10.440 --> 1:02:13.360 What you're saying. I'm looking at you like i've seen. 1:02:14.680 --> 1:02:18.440 I mean someone someone taught me how to cut, like 1:02:18.560 --> 1:02:21.160 I would load whatever I want to cut and scratch 1:02:21.240 --> 1:02:24.280 on stuff or on on what you load. 1:02:26.680 --> 1:02:30.240 Yeah, and then two thousands up to But there's a 1:02:30.320 --> 1:02:32.520 way to make it. How do you scratch it? 1:02:32.960 --> 1:02:35.640 I mean there's there's I mean you won't get the 1:02:36.960 --> 1:02:42.720 because sometimes you'll hear product like uh okay for instance, 1:02:42.960 --> 1:02:45.920 like if you would do like stop yeah yeah. 1:02:47.360 --> 1:02:51.120 Like that because I want people to go, Yo, look 1:02:51.200 --> 1:02:53.720 how he's cutting like that's like I said, it was 1:02:53.720 --> 1:02:54.320 a DJ thing. 1:02:54.400 --> 1:02:56.720 Well I want DJ to go. I've seen cats cut 1:02:57.160 --> 1:03:01.280 via I've never seen all these years. 1:03:01.520 --> 1:03:04.760 Yeah, he's still like even when we were doing stuff 1:03:04.840 --> 1:03:08.520 like ping, he still works even though it's all digital, 1:03:08.880 --> 1:03:10.600 he still works like he's on tape. 1:03:11.240 --> 1:03:13.200 So like it would be nothing. 1:03:13.360 --> 1:03:15.560 I'd be like, yo, supreme, like you know, we can 1:03:15.640 --> 1:03:17.000 go in and just He's like, no, no, let me 1:03:17.120 --> 1:03:18.720 punch punch out of your son. 1:03:21.840 --> 1:03:26.439 Yeah, if I go step up, step up, step, I'll 1:03:26.440 --> 1:03:29.000 say take it from step and then go step. 1:03:28.840 --> 1:03:32.200 And I'll go up. Yeah, And it's that precise. 1:03:32.200 --> 1:03:36.000 I'd be like, I'll do that, but I have I'm 1:03:36.280 --> 1:03:38.400 always literally on the failure. 1:03:38.560 --> 1:03:43.480 Yeah, all right, So it's a slight admission time. This 1:03:43.680 --> 1:03:54.000 is my confession. This confession time game plan from Stepanie Rita. 1:04:03.160 --> 1:04:06.760 So back in the early Square Roots days, back when 1:04:06.800 --> 1:04:13.840 we were busting on South Street, we that would this 1:04:13.960 --> 1:04:15.680 would be one of our like we didn't write our 1:04:15.720 --> 1:04:16.320 own material. 1:04:16.400 --> 1:04:19.400 We were just like do you know? All right? Do 1:04:19.600 --> 1:04:24.600 tribe next? But for some reason we used to do 1:04:24.680 --> 1:04:36.080 a routine to Static. I never even knew. 1:04:36.480 --> 1:04:39.200 More was the one that said, Yo, you gotta chat 1:04:39.200 --> 1:04:41.560 out this group the rudes. Like he he brought and 1:04:41.600 --> 1:04:45.920 brought y'all to me. He was so into y'all from 1:04:45.960 --> 1:04:49.160 the gating and him and re met, you know what 1:04:49.200 --> 1:04:49.600 I'm saying. 1:04:49.680 --> 1:04:50.600 But you know what I'm saying. 1:04:50.640 --> 1:04:54.200 But he was like, yo, Philly that they they banned, 1:04:54.280 --> 1:04:56.160 you know, because we only knew steps and sign against 1:04:56.160 --> 1:04:58.800 the hip hop band. So you know, he's like, yo, 1:04:58.880 --> 1:05:02.080 they doped the dope and you know, y'all just man, y'all, 1:05:03.000 --> 1:05:06.440 y'all have transformed hip hop into its own planet. 1:05:06.520 --> 1:05:09.360 Man, I want to know now right now, you're in 1:05:09.440 --> 1:05:14.720 like your your second year with Guru. How are you guys, 1:05:14.760 --> 1:05:19.360 because this is an arranged marriage, how are you guys 1:05:19.680 --> 1:05:21.439 gelling as a unit? 1:05:22.360 --> 1:05:23.080 As a unit? 1:05:23.280 --> 1:05:26.400 Like you know, is it like he feels that it's 1:05:26.520 --> 1:05:31.720 more his band and you're visiting or you know, like, 1:05:31.880 --> 1:05:35.600 are you guys friends? Offset are you hanging afterwards? Like 1:05:35.720 --> 1:05:38.720 what's in the first in the in the first two 1:05:38.800 --> 1:05:40.840 years of Gang Star, what's the relationship like. 1:05:41.040 --> 1:05:44.520 Both because we lived together, because we live together from 1:05:44.600 --> 1:05:47.240 the from the moment's a nice guy all the way, 1:05:47.280 --> 1:05:50.440 too hard to earn. We lived together, y'all lived in well, 1:05:50.480 --> 1:05:51.360 we lived in Brooklyn. 1:05:51.440 --> 1:05:54.440 The first we lived in brook in Brooklyn. 1:05:54.920 --> 1:05:57.080 Then we moved to one eighty third Street in the Bronx. 1:05:57.160 --> 1:06:01.520 And that's how I'm at Panche And yeah, that's how 1:06:01.520 --> 1:06:04.160 I met mel CoA nutcracker, smiley, yellow child. That's how 1:06:04.240 --> 1:06:07.080 that whole connection from the Bronx happened on one of 1:06:07.160 --> 1:06:09.400 the third Street because we lived on one of eight 1:06:09.480 --> 1:06:11.360 third and Andrews, you know. And that's when I used 1:06:11.360 --> 1:06:15.920 to see uh ski, I see Dame Dash walking his dogs. Uh, 1:06:16.040 --> 1:06:18.000 that's when jay Z was around a lot, you know, 1:06:18.800 --> 1:06:21.240 running with Dash. So you know this is where where 1:06:21.280 --> 1:06:23.800 that that transition seeing Chubby Chubb all the time, you know. 1:06:23.960 --> 1:06:27.000 So we all live in the same area era, but 1:06:27.560 --> 1:06:32.560 the area, and but we fought from day one, and 1:06:32.960 --> 1:06:36.840 and but it would be over nonsense, but it never 1:06:36.960 --> 1:06:39.880 affected the greatness of the songs. Like we we'd be 1:06:40.040 --> 1:06:42.560 fighting and then he's fighting with my dancer, you know, 1:06:42.600 --> 1:06:44.880 and then they're they're fighting in the hallway of were 1:06:44.880 --> 1:06:47.880 in a grimy building, crackheads all on the same floor, 1:06:48.280 --> 1:06:50.080 and they're like, come on, let's go, let's go. And 1:06:50.240 --> 1:06:52.800 they didn't tearing the room up or tearing the hallway up. 1:06:53.200 --> 1:06:55.440 And then next thing you know, we're like, yo, I 1:06:55.520 --> 1:06:58.400 love you man, yo yo. And next thing you know, 1:06:58.520 --> 1:06:59.919 we're in the lab making another bang. 1:07:00.280 --> 1:07:03.160 So I'm skipping ahead, I'm skipping it out a little bit. Now, 1:07:03.200 --> 1:07:07.960 your mind off hard to earn that told me about you. 1:07:08.680 --> 1:07:13.000 Even know what, Yeah, even though it's basketball's lingo. We 1:07:13.080 --> 1:07:15.520 had just got into a major fight this during this 1:07:15.720 --> 1:07:20.200 right around that daily operation time. We got into a major, major, 1:07:20.280 --> 1:07:25.440 major fight. It's very bloody, very messy. And we had 1:07:25.480 --> 1:07:27.760 already gotten hired to do the song for White Men 1:07:27.840 --> 1:07:31.240 Can't Can't Jump soundtrack, so you know, the check is 1:07:31.240 --> 1:07:33.720 already in, the last thing we want to do is 1:07:34.320 --> 1:07:37.360 is not do the record. So I remember, I remember 1:07:37.480 --> 1:07:40.320 grou walked into the the session, bandages on his head 1:07:40.360 --> 1:07:43.400 and everything like that. And he walks in and goes 1:07:43.440 --> 1:07:46.920 straight to the booth and looks right at me. You know, 1:07:46.960 --> 1:07:49.280 because the way d n D the what it is 1:07:49.360 --> 1:07:51.480 with the vocal booth, it's just a slight look to 1:07:51.520 --> 1:07:54.360 the level. He's the boots right there. He looked at 1:07:54.400 --> 1:07:56.640 me and just said, you do get there wrong. You 1:07:56.760 --> 1:07:59.000 never have the skills like mine. And he's just looking 1:07:59.080 --> 1:08:00.240 right at me, and I'm looking at him. Could we 1:08:00.240 --> 1:08:02.520 still have a little tension? And I remember when it's 1:08:02.560 --> 1:08:03.360 when the vocal. 1:08:03.240 --> 1:08:04.560 Was done, he goes, you're good with that? 1:08:04.640 --> 1:08:05.439 I'm like, yo, it's dope. 1:08:05.480 --> 1:08:10.640 He goes and fuck you and walks out. 1:08:15.120 --> 1:08:15.280 You know. 1:08:15.760 --> 1:08:17.400 A couple of days later it was back to le. 1:08:18.880 --> 1:08:21.840 But how did you even know that we had talked 1:08:21.840 --> 1:08:24.439 about that before? I missed. 1:08:25.880 --> 1:08:27.519 I missed him so much. And then not only that. 1:08:27.600 --> 1:08:29.360 I mean, you know, he had a big alcohol problem. 1:08:29.439 --> 1:08:31.479 He used to flip a lot. Where it's not even 1:08:31.600 --> 1:08:33.920 just me, you can be I mean, so many people 1:08:34.000 --> 1:08:36.280 in the industry and fans have still come up to 1:08:36.320 --> 1:08:36.600 me and go. 1:08:36.640 --> 1:08:39.920 Yeah, Drew, he was drunk and he was cursing, he 1:08:40.080 --> 1:08:42.280 was lit. Yeah. 1:08:43.160 --> 1:08:45.080 And there's so many stories that are similar to mind, 1:08:45.120 --> 1:08:48.479 so it's not like just us. This is fans and 1:08:48.640 --> 1:08:51.559 other artists that have witnessed the same thing. But one 1:08:51.640 --> 1:08:55.000 thing that and you know so dope is even when 1:08:55.080 --> 1:08:57.479 he would be pissed or in one of his moods, 1:08:57.960 --> 1:08:59.960 he would go but that's this one thing. I will say, 1:09:00.400 --> 1:09:03.800 I'm one of the nicest and he would always say that, 1:09:04.800 --> 1:09:05.240 oh he go. 1:09:05.720 --> 1:09:09.599 One thing is for sure, nobody get out rhy on me, y'all. 1:09:09.600 --> 1:09:10.839 I don't care how ugly. 1:09:10.680 --> 1:09:12.400 He was or is. 1:09:12.960 --> 1:09:16.040 He would always make that his last hip hop fights. 1:09:17.880 --> 1:09:20.400 I thought it'd be over like food or a girl 1:09:20.560 --> 1:09:20.920 or whatever. 1:09:21.520 --> 1:09:23.880 Just so many things, man, and but we don't. 1:09:24.240 --> 1:09:28.720 He just had issues because you guys kind of came 1:09:28.800 --> 1:09:32.679 into your prime when this was really a young man's game. 1:09:33.200 --> 1:09:36.280 I mean, at least the perceived you know, I mean, 1:09:36.360 --> 1:09:38.840 You're said his ageless anyway, But I'm just saying that. 1:09:39.920 --> 1:09:42.240 You know, most people get ushered in when they're like 1:09:42.360 --> 1:09:44.640 nineteen twenty twenty one, they're young boys, you know that 1:09:44.760 --> 1:09:45.200 sort of thing. 1:09:45.760 --> 1:09:47.720 I mean, well, I was at age at that time. 1:09:48.240 --> 1:09:48.920 I was twenty three. 1:09:48.960 --> 1:09:52.240 What's the difference. He's uh, he's older than you. Yeah, 1:09:52.240 --> 1:09:54.960 he's older than you to me. Yeah. 1:09:55.120 --> 1:09:59.040 So even though the age line happened for several years, 1:09:59.680 --> 1:10:02.320 you know, which I already knew what his age. 1:10:02.320 --> 1:10:09.120 Was, but significant, man, I never knew he trying to 1:10:09.479 --> 1:10:11.800 hide his age or whatever. He just had such a 1:10:11.920 --> 1:10:16.240 cool gurus I mean, for those that you know are 1:10:16.280 --> 1:10:20.240 too young to even remember that time period, I mean, 1:10:20.400 --> 1:10:25.679 Guru's voice it was probably, i'll say, definitely the top 1:10:26.040 --> 1:10:27.479 five most unique voice. 1:10:27.520 --> 1:10:32.360 Absolutely absolutely, I mean absolutely. 1:10:32.479 --> 1:10:35.559 Just as far as delivery, Like you know, I put 1:10:35.600 --> 1:10:37.200 him up there with Snoop's. 1:10:36.800 --> 1:10:39.719 Voice, tips voice, be Real's voice. 1:10:40.680 --> 1:10:45.400 Uh, even at Rock's voice has a very unique correct 1:10:45.760 --> 1:10:46.519 you know, so crazy. 1:10:46.840 --> 1:10:49.680 I didn't know his real age either until we went 1:10:49.760 --> 1:10:52.080 back to Boston to go do promo for one of 1:10:52.120 --> 1:10:55.799 our albums and h ed Og and the Bulldogs was shooting. 1:10:55.840 --> 1:10:57.320 I got to have a video in the back of 1:10:57.400 --> 1:11:00.720 the store, so like, g was it? And and uh, 1:11:01.000 --> 1:11:02.360 why don't you all come in because we knew the 1:11:02.400 --> 1:11:05.040 awesome too. Everybody knew Gangster by that time. But we 1:11:05.120 --> 1:11:07.080 went around the corner to be in the video, which 1:11:07.080 --> 1:11:09.760 we were in it, and uh, a kid walks up 1:11:09.760 --> 1:11:13.320 and goes, hey, mister Elm remember me. And I'm sitting 1:11:13.360 --> 1:11:16.560 there like, why is this kid calling him? So I'm like, 1:11:17.280 --> 1:11:18.880 why are you calling him? Mislim? He said he was 1:11:18.960 --> 1:11:28.960 my teacher. Wow, great dish. That's when I was like, 1:11:29.120 --> 1:11:30.760 just tell me what they do so I know. Even 1:11:30.800 --> 1:11:32.559 if I got a live for you, I just want 1:11:32.600 --> 1:11:34.360 to know so I know, you know. And then we 1:11:34.479 --> 1:11:36.000 all got our story straight. 1:11:41.320 --> 1:11:43.840 When did when did y'all start? Because I okay, so 1:11:44.439 --> 1:11:47.160 no one missed and no miss I got daily operation. 1:11:47.560 --> 1:11:50.360 I remember that follow up that seemed to come kind 1:11:50.400 --> 1:11:51.160 of quick after. 1:11:51.560 --> 1:11:52.559 Uh yeah. 1:11:52.720 --> 1:11:56.120 After that was during the time where you come out 1:11:56.120 --> 1:11:58.960 with an album. Every year you're doing an album, you tour, 1:12:00.040 --> 1:12:01.600 come home, get the next budget. 1:12:01.360 --> 1:12:04.920 And so with that, uh, the budgets kept well wait 1:12:04.960 --> 1:12:08.320 a minute, but this is one thing though, you guys 1:12:08.439 --> 1:12:12.400 didn't because by this point you're with Patrick Moxy and 1:12:12.560 --> 1:12:19.360 I know hismo is tour right, because you guys were 1:12:19.400 --> 1:12:23.160 the only people I ever saw going to the same 1:12:23.240 --> 1:12:29.160 places that because because our radio played ship was down 1:12:29.439 --> 1:12:32.400 and we weren't on TV. Management was like, yo, we 1:12:32.479 --> 1:12:34.640 gotta go on the road, and so we got a 1:12:34.760 --> 1:12:37.280 lot of our gigs based on the acts that wouldn't 1:12:37.280 --> 1:12:39.560 go blah blah blah cancels. 1:12:39.240 --> 1:12:43.639 To do that. But you guys were always on the road. Yeah. 1:12:44.040 --> 1:12:47.280 But Patrick tru is British, even though he speaks American English, 1:12:47.320 --> 1:12:49.479 so he doesn't have an accent, but he's British. And 1:12:49.840 --> 1:12:51.720 all of our staff Neel used to be who all 1:12:51.800 --> 1:12:54.760 and the top executives now shout all of them, uh 1:12:55.200 --> 1:12:58.760 they they were all uh part of his team. So 1:12:58.800 --> 1:13:01.519 that's why that's why I knew so much slang. Like 1:13:01.600 --> 1:13:03.760 even to this day, I still go fucking hell, And 1:13:05.200 --> 1:13:07.160 I'm so used to hearing that in the office so 1:13:07.520 --> 1:13:10.000 much that that's normal for me to respond to a 1:13:10.040 --> 1:13:11.599 certain things like are you serious, man? 1:13:11.680 --> 1:13:12.200 Fucking hell? 1:13:12.320 --> 1:13:16.160 Like it just it just rolls off the tongue that naturally. 1:13:16.200 --> 1:13:20.560 Speaking of tour, you must give the QLs listeners the 1:13:20.680 --> 1:13:26.639 Gang Star Father mc DJ Quick Tour story, The towels. 1:13:27.680 --> 1:13:29.720 I can't wait for this. I never heard it. This 1:13:29.920 --> 1:13:33.120 is the most gangs ever all with the towels. Oh 1:13:33.600 --> 1:13:34.040 my god. 1:13:34.840 --> 1:13:39.720 I tour EPMD three years ninety one. Yeah, EPMD ass 1:13:39.840 --> 1:13:41.479 is to tour with them, just when Jessica repe is 1:13:41.560 --> 1:13:45.000 very hot and U because Jessica Rep came out ninety 1:13:45.040 --> 1:13:46.439 if you look at the twelve and just at nineteen 1:13:46.520 --> 1:13:50.519 ninety seventy arena the album came out ninety one, EPMD 1:13:50.560 --> 1:13:52.479 as to go on tour wheeling. We were so ecstatic, 1:13:52.640 --> 1:13:54.759 like wow, I drove my own vand with my MPV 1:13:55.400 --> 1:13:59.439 it was me DApp Gordon Guru and we had a 1:13:59.520 --> 1:14:01.800 nine millim meeter and a whole bunch of beer. You know, 1:14:01.880 --> 1:14:03.519 we were hining and freaks back. 1:14:04.760 --> 1:14:08.439 Yeah, the premiere van, Yeah, the one we all used 1:14:08.479 --> 1:14:12.000 to tell so you weren't renting, we can afford it. 1:14:12.400 --> 1:14:13.400 We couldn't afford to get. 1:14:13.320 --> 1:14:13.760 A bus yet. 1:14:13.760 --> 1:14:15.000 You know that was a big, big paper and we 1:14:15.000 --> 1:14:17.280 wouldn't get into a support at that time. We didn't 1:14:17.280 --> 1:14:21.080 get to support until the second until Daily Operation. Then 1:14:21.600 --> 1:14:22.880 we were getting to a support. 1:14:22.800 --> 1:14:23.240 All the time. 1:14:24.800 --> 1:14:27.840 They still do to a support for artists, probably not well. 1:14:27.800 --> 1:14:29.880 Now it's three sixty deals where they just pay for 1:14:29.920 --> 1:14:36.320 everything and your Yeah, so is DJ Quick. 1:14:36.520 --> 1:14:39.080 He was brand new. He's like the first blood wrap 1:14:39.560 --> 1:14:42.000 ever seen it. I only knew crips, so it was 1:14:42.080 --> 1:14:46.640 DJ Quick, Uh for them, See Mary J. Blige was 1:14:46.680 --> 1:14:48.439 with us for a little while as a backup singer, 1:14:48.800 --> 1:14:51.120 you know, with with for them, they were all label mates. 1:14:52.080 --> 1:14:55.120 Uh Chubb Rock, that's from. That's when Poke was just 1:14:55.200 --> 1:15:00.840 the DJ before before Yeah and and Gangstar. So we're 1:15:00.880 --> 1:15:03.840 on the tour and uh, Father them c used to 1:15:03.960 --> 1:15:06.960 always be late to the gigs where he would have 1:15:07.080 --> 1:15:08.760 to because DJ Quick is supposed to go on right 1:15:08.800 --> 1:15:10.640 for you pm D because the markets we were in, 1:15:11.040 --> 1:15:13.880 he was bigger, you know, so the lineup goes in 1:15:13.920 --> 1:15:16.559 the order of how pop popping you are, so obviously 1:15:16.560 --> 1:15:19.400 even pm D was the biggest, but you know, so 1:15:19.640 --> 1:15:22.600 fatherm Se was always robbed late where Quick wa have 1:15:22.680 --> 1:15:24.439 to go on so that it doesn't keep a lagging 1:15:24.640 --> 1:15:27.560 in the in the show. And then uh, Fallom is 1:15:27.600 --> 1:15:30.280 closer to the He got to a point where everybody 1:15:30.320 --> 1:15:32.120 was getting frustrated where it was like, yeah, we gotta 1:15:32.160 --> 1:15:35.280 say something to him, and uh, you know, words was 1:15:35.360 --> 1:15:37.920 said where he was like Yo, if you don't keep starting, 1:15:37.960 --> 1:15:40.360 keep coming late, we're gonna have a problem, you know, 1:15:40.840 --> 1:15:43.679 flat out. So it got to a point where once 1:15:43.760 --> 1:15:46.960 he uh started, he started coming on tom and uh, 1:15:47.080 --> 1:15:51.240 everything was cool but Quick but Quick was like, all right, 1:15:51.560 --> 1:15:54.080 let me uh, let me show you this, this cat 1:15:54.120 --> 1:15:57.679 out how big my strength is. Because every show after 1:15:57.880 --> 1:15:59.960 Quick would get off stage. He used to doing met 1:16:00.160 --> 1:16:02.639 and Greek, and you know, meet and greets were really 1:16:02.680 --> 1:16:04.920 a new thing for us at that time, right after 1:16:05.000 --> 1:16:07.280 the show. And then plus Quick was so new, you 1:16:07.360 --> 1:16:10.000 know for us because everybody knew e PMD, everybody knew 1:16:10.040 --> 1:16:12.439 Chubb Rock at the time. And uh and like I said, 1:16:12.479 --> 1:16:15.640 we were popping with our our records. But man, uh 1:16:16.200 --> 1:16:20.920 the line for Quick was that crazy to just get 1:16:21.120 --> 1:16:25.080 you know, the glossy promo pictures signed and he taking. 1:16:24.920 --> 1:16:27.040 A picture of the lobby or this is backstage. 1:16:27.760 --> 1:16:30.160 But after the whole thing with father them, she got 1:16:30.160 --> 1:16:31.960 out of hand where they were like, yo, you know 1:16:32.120 --> 1:16:33.960 this just got to stop it again. He started coming 1:16:34.000 --> 1:16:37.040 on time, but just to get back at him, Quick 1:16:37.600 --> 1:16:41.000 had it. Security got the security team by a whole bag, 1:16:41.160 --> 1:16:43.720 like garbage bag full of towels, like the little ones 1:16:43.760 --> 1:16:45.720 that you twirl at football games and stuff like that. 1:16:46.560 --> 1:16:49.160 So all of a sudden, Father Them Sea goes on 1:16:49.280 --> 1:16:51.439 stage and there's like a big ruckets in the crowd, 1:16:51.479 --> 1:16:54.120 and everybody's like wondering what's going on. And you look 1:16:54.160 --> 1:16:56.040 at you know, because we've already performed. So we're hanging 1:16:56.080 --> 1:16:59.719 out and we're watching, and we looked and DJ Quick 1:17:00.120 --> 1:17:04.760 is wiping his Jerry curl with the towels and then 1:17:04.880 --> 1:17:11.320 passing them to the girls, so they're you know, that's 1:17:11.400 --> 1:17:13.240 distracting everybody watching. 1:17:15.000 --> 1:17:15.760 I was waving like. 1:17:19.479 --> 1:17:22.479 He's wiping this Jerry curl and the girls like, oh God, 1:17:28.560 --> 1:17:30.439 wipe his face. You know, he wiped his face, you know. 1:17:30.920 --> 1:17:33.280 And and the security team was all from Saint Louis. 1:17:33.360 --> 1:17:36.640 He went to a show in Saint Louis. He went 1:17:36.680 --> 1:17:38.080 to show in Saint Louis and loved the way that 1:17:38.160 --> 1:17:41.479 the security team was handling the crowd. That he hired 1:17:41.800 --> 1:17:44.439 everybody that worked at that club, so they shut the 1:17:44.479 --> 1:17:47.320 club down for that period of time while that whole. 1:17:47.120 --> 1:17:48.160 Security team went on toy. 1:17:48.240 --> 1:17:50.040 He got got them an r V of their own, 1:17:50.360 --> 1:17:52.200 and they rode in that r V with the security 1:17:52.240 --> 1:17:54.160 team and they were because he was having a lot 1:17:54.240 --> 1:17:59.320 of problems with gang bangers and stuff. It was heavy. Yeah, 1:18:00.120 --> 1:18:02.320 people were like fuck quick, fun quick and stuff like that. 1:18:02.439 --> 1:18:04.640 And we were riding with him because you know, he's 1:18:04.680 --> 1:18:07.320 part of our tour and we were both we're a family, 1:18:07.439 --> 1:18:10.000 so we you know, and then everything turned out cool 1:18:10.040 --> 1:18:11.639 with all them. See it was we were always cool 1:18:11.640 --> 1:18:13.880 with him anyway. It was just stop coming late, you know, 1:18:14.000 --> 1:18:18.040 just because you want to, you know, different. But everything 1:18:18.120 --> 1:18:19.920 ended up being a cool tour. Everybody got along with 1:18:19.960 --> 1:18:22.040 all them. See he's a great dude and big up 1:18:22.080 --> 1:18:22.519 to him too. 1:18:22.680 --> 1:18:29.720 You know. Can I ask you, because I mean, you're 1:18:29.880 --> 1:18:35.920 one of the few luminaries that has pretty much been 1:18:36.040 --> 1:18:41.400 privy to and active in every era of postmodern hip 1:18:41.439 --> 1:18:46.960 hop touring. You were there for the early nineties, right 1:18:47.000 --> 1:18:49.680 when like MTV raps was ramping up in America and 1:18:50.120 --> 1:18:51.880 a whole new thing. You were there for like the 1:18:51.960 --> 1:18:55.240 alternative tours. You again, you hit Europe and all those 1:18:55.280 --> 1:18:59.280 other spots you still tour to this day when you 1:18:59.560 --> 1:19:03.920 think of, ah, those were the days, like that's real touring. 1:19:05.960 --> 1:19:08.240 What where does your mind instantly go. 1:19:08.320 --> 1:19:10.320 To from those days? 1:19:10.439 --> 1:19:13.400 Because you I feel like you've toured more than the 1:19:13.720 --> 1:19:19.240 average cat and hip hop and various. 1:19:19.960 --> 1:19:22.880 You know, on your own whatever, Like when do you 1:19:23.160 --> 1:19:27.559 have is it fond memories when you're in the van 1:19:27.720 --> 1:19:29.720 driving or is it like, oh, when we got tour 1:19:29.800 --> 1:19:33.200 buses that was the time, or is it like what 1:19:33.920 --> 1:19:34.880 are the glory days for you? 1:19:35.080 --> 1:19:35.719 Like hek tour? 1:19:36.160 --> 1:19:39.639 Really really for us was when we did London because 1:19:39.800 --> 1:19:42.960 we were told and you know, London is the New York. 1:19:42.840 --> 1:19:45.680 Of Europe, and well not even cities. I just been 1:19:45.760 --> 1:19:47.679 like era oh. 1:19:48.760 --> 1:19:54.840 Ninety two Daily Operation really so early. Yeah, that's when 1:19:54.880 --> 1:19:57.760 we brought jay Rwe and Dad and I even seen 1:19:57.880 --> 1:20:00.280 jay Rue dismantle a guy that pulled a gun in 1:20:00.360 --> 1:20:02.600 the audience and he was able to dismantle him and 1:20:02.680 --> 1:20:04.200 take the gun and the guy get and got it 1:20:04.240 --> 1:20:06.040 from him, and then we took it on our bus 1:20:06.120 --> 1:20:08.519 and was like, I got an old video footage. I 1:20:08.600 --> 1:20:15.880 got video footage, footage footage. Oh yeah, we got hundreds 1:20:15.880 --> 1:20:16.200 of tapes. 1:20:16.240 --> 1:20:17.000 What you're gonna do with that? 1:20:17.920 --> 1:20:23.280 Uh, to be continued safety in a safe place. 1:20:23.439 --> 1:20:24.080 That's the good thing. 1:20:24.520 --> 1:20:27.599 Was the from Daily Operation on like and then which 1:20:27.640 --> 1:20:31.280 I'll hit hard to earn when was the was hard earned? 1:20:31.320 --> 1:20:34.360 Kind of like the pay dirt moment, like the records. 1:20:34.040 --> 1:20:36.560 Now were the headliner and we it was it was 1:20:36.800 --> 1:20:40.640 it was gangstar m O P, Nas and uh and 1:20:40.920 --> 1:20:44.280 Uh Gangster m P Nos and J was damaged because 1:20:44.320 --> 1:20:47.080 Jay we was popping. M P was really popping, starting 1:20:47.120 --> 1:20:48.960 to pop with out with the first album. They didn't 1:20:49.000 --> 1:20:51.240 even have the second album out, but they were they 1:20:51.280 --> 1:20:54.080 We took them on tour because we we became really 1:20:54.120 --> 1:20:57.479 close friends. And then UH Nas was only on the 1:20:57.560 --> 1:21:00.120 tour for like three shows, and then it uh his 1:21:00.360 --> 1:21:02.880 manager who was l O Cool. Jay's manager was like, 1:21:02.960 --> 1:21:05.280 you know, Nods is too big for y'all. We're taking 1:21:05.320 --> 1:21:05.719 them off. 1:21:05.600 --> 1:21:08.200 The tour and we're like, what do you mean. He's like, hey, 1:21:08.280 --> 1:21:10.360 he's too big for y'all. We were pissed. 1:21:11.920 --> 1:21:13.479 No, this is when O Madic had just come out. 1:21:14.800 --> 1:21:22.320 I got foot lyrics, I have footage, but but it 1:21:22.520 --> 1:21:24.400 was like just like, Yo, how you gonna do that? 1:21:24.439 --> 1:21:27.360 And it's not it's not Nods, it's the management, but uh, 1:21:27.840 --> 1:21:30.160 but it was just like you know, we we just 1:21:30.240 --> 1:21:32.200 felt like that was a slap in our face because 1:21:32.840 --> 1:21:35.280 we asked Nods to be on it and we were like, Yo, 1:21:35.400 --> 1:21:37.280 this is gonna be a good, good look before he 1:21:37.439 --> 1:21:40.240 does get getting ready to do his own thing. But 1:21:40.880 --> 1:21:42.760 you know, we weren't even salty in him. It was 1:21:42.840 --> 1:21:45.760 just his manager. So he did three shows. I got 1:21:45.800 --> 1:21:47.479 all the footage of the shows. He tore it up 1:21:47.479 --> 1:21:49.720 because that's from New York state of mind. It just 1:21:50.360 --> 1:21:53.000 bubbled in the street and it was heavy and having 1:21:53.120 --> 1:21:53.759 him open. 1:21:53.640 --> 1:21:59.360 Up to a big deal can uh okay before I 1:22:00.040 --> 1:22:03.360 are at the Dwick questions, because I feel like Dwyck 1:22:03.560 --> 1:22:07.080 was the the real turning point of you guys blossom 1:22:07.120 --> 1:22:07.880 into it, you know. 1:22:08.720 --> 1:22:09.280 For the group. 1:22:10.160 --> 1:22:14.519 However, you guys are also on uh nice and spooze 1:22:14.720 --> 1:22:17.240 and the damn thing change right down the line, down 1:22:17.240 --> 1:22:17.559 the line? 1:22:17.560 --> 1:22:20.040 Did you produce down the line? No? Did you cut 1:22:20.160 --> 1:22:24.120 on down the line? Yes? Okay? Who produced it? Greg Nice? 1:22:24.920 --> 1:22:26.639 Greg Nice makes it makes the beats. 1:22:26.720 --> 1:22:31.400 Here's the funny thing, though, because I always felt that 1:22:32.200 --> 1:22:34.840 Greg Nice did not know who you guys were as 1:22:34.920 --> 1:22:35.439 you were doing it. 1:22:35.760 --> 1:22:37.799 My man, exactly. 1:22:40.640 --> 1:22:44.040 Yeah, so that's actually Howler through Greg Nice. 1:22:44.360 --> 1:22:44.599 Really. 1:22:44.680 --> 1:22:47.320 Oh well, yeah, so we got old history. 1:22:47.880 --> 1:22:49.640 But what this is what happened or did he just 1:22:49.760 --> 1:22:51.400 not correctly? This is what it was. 1:22:51.880 --> 1:22:54.439 That's why they used to work at power Play and 1:22:54.800 --> 1:22:56.880 everybody knows you know, paid him full was done there 1:22:56.880 --> 1:23:00.439 and you know, uh I saw I witnessed large Professor 1:23:00.560 --> 1:23:04.360 do uh wanted Dead Alive Coolie rap album? Yeah, I 1:23:04.520 --> 1:23:06.640 was there to watch all those sessions. Well, you know, 1:23:07.000 --> 1:23:09.120 I was just like, wow, look at g Rapp and 1:23:09.800 --> 1:23:12.200 he's always goes hold on, I got to spit and 1:23:12.320 --> 1:23:17.320 he's spitting literally, yeah, lyrics, spit on the ground and 1:23:17.360 --> 1:23:19.920 then he would and then he they punched me in 1:23:20.000 --> 1:23:22.080 and he would boom, just go, go, go, go go. 1:23:22.320 --> 1:23:27.120 You know, yeah, I was gonna say, what magical? What 1:23:27.400 --> 1:23:29.479 sessions have you witnessed that you were there for? 1:23:29.840 --> 1:23:34.559 Like Dead Alive really shout the you know, Polo will 1:23:34.640 --> 1:23:40.360 be there and Drew uh oh man, oh my god 1:23:40.800 --> 1:23:45.519 he lives in Texas. Now Drew what's his DJ name? 1:23:47.520 --> 1:23:49.960 He's part of the early X men. 1:23:51.960 --> 1:23:54.360 Oh my god? You know what is Drew's name? 1:23:54.960 --> 1:23:55.080 Uh? 1:23:56.120 --> 1:23:57.040 Damn? Now is killing me? 1:23:58.400 --> 1:23:58.559 Uh? 1:23:59.560 --> 1:24:03.320 Drew whose name is? We'll come back to me. 1:24:04.479 --> 1:24:07.360 But just being there to see that go down, you know, 1:24:07.479 --> 1:24:09.760 one of their allows, one of the dopest COULDI rap 1:24:09.840 --> 1:24:10.439 albums ever? 1:24:11.080 --> 1:24:14.960 In every song, every song, you know, so so you 1:24:15.160 --> 1:24:17.639 there to witness the whole process. Were you next door 1:24:17.720 --> 1:24:18.320 to them or was. 1:24:18.479 --> 1:24:20.479 No lodge fessel Now you know, we all hung out 1:24:20.560 --> 1:24:23.640 so large, like come with me to the sessions, very 1:24:23.720 --> 1:24:26.400 b walk in with the big cable and we just 1:24:26.479 --> 1:24:28.600 like this, there he is there, he is. 1:24:29.320 --> 1:24:32.080 There, he is. Was it easy for you guys to 1:24:32.200 --> 1:24:35.280 get initiated in the. 1:24:37.439 --> 1:24:40.240 And I mean, well no, Actually, you know what Chucky did, 1:24:40.320 --> 1:24:42.680 make you a part of the extra strinth prose, like 1:24:42.760 --> 1:24:45.360 Chuck these thank you on all public albums. 1:24:47.320 --> 1:24:49.880 Like to be the extra strength. I used to how 1:24:49.920 --> 1:24:52.280 they come with the fulled out paper in the exactly. 1:24:53.240 --> 1:24:58.479 So I mean, how how long was it before you guys? 1:24:58.560 --> 1:25:01.799 Were you guys just instantly like welcome wherever you came. 1:25:01.680 --> 1:25:04.080 In, Like oh yeah, yeah, I remember when we couldn't 1:25:04.120 --> 1:25:06.719 get in the clubs and all of a sudden, manifest 1:25:06.800 --> 1:25:09.760 came out. Those same security girls like and they would 1:25:09.800 --> 1:25:12.680 call again to call Gurgle gangstar, gangstar, come on in, 1:25:13.360 --> 1:25:16.080 you know yeah, and you know, but they knew we 1:25:16.200 --> 1:25:18.479 were both gang star, but they would call him gangstar. 1:25:18.560 --> 1:25:21.479 And but we now we're getting into every hot club 1:25:21.560 --> 1:25:22.320 that's hard to get in. 1:25:22.720 --> 1:25:23.439 It was automatic. 1:25:23.560 --> 1:25:26.200 We were like wow and we'd be like thirty forty 1:25:26.280 --> 1:25:27.560 deep and everybody got in. 1:25:28.160 --> 1:25:30.960 Wow. So yeah, because unless it was Patrick's club. 1:25:31.040 --> 1:25:33.400 It was Patrick's Club at the Pay at the Powerhouse, 1:25:33.760 --> 1:25:36.160 which was the big club of that during the early nineties, 1:25:36.720 --> 1:25:38.120 we were one hundred deep, we got in. 1:25:39.360 --> 1:25:39.519 Yeah. 1:25:39.560 --> 1:25:45.120 I always think of that because syliloically of Chaos. True story, 1:25:45.720 --> 1:25:49.760 it's I imagine because he's so descriptive with it. 1:25:50.240 --> 1:25:50.760 True story. 1:25:51.120 --> 1:25:53.840 It is so rare because you guys are at least 1:25:53.880 --> 1:25:57.479 what you represent musically, and I know it's street, I 1:25:57.560 --> 1:26:02.120 know it's true to the boom, but there is a mellow, 1:26:03.800 --> 1:26:07.719 kind of calming, non aggressiveness about Gangstar. 1:26:08.720 --> 1:26:13.320 But you guys rolled like we were wild. Five Carl like, yeah, 1:26:13.360 --> 1:26:13.960 we were wild. 1:26:14.240 --> 1:26:17.880 We were really wild. I mean our house was literally 1:26:18.000 --> 1:26:21.439 like a frat house. Easy Mob will tell you, Gizzl 1:26:21.479 --> 1:26:23.920 will tell your Rizzle will tell you they were there real. 1:26:24.200 --> 1:26:28.160 Yeah, Like our house was a wild house. Rage. 1:26:28.680 --> 1:26:30.519 But just before, I remember, Rage wanted me to do 1:26:30.600 --> 1:26:33.000 her demos and she was like, loop up this, Michael Jackson. 1:26:33.040 --> 1:26:34.240 I'm like, no, you need to do. 1:26:35.760 --> 1:26:38.240 And she's like, you know what, ain't nobody help me 1:26:38.280 --> 1:26:40.360 out here. I'm going to I'm gonna find Doctor Dre. 1:26:41.040 --> 1:26:43.320 And she goes, I'm gonna move away, and she fan. 1:26:43.760 --> 1:26:47.599 We did a stepping arena tour and we did LA 1:26:47.680 --> 1:26:50.840 at the Palladium, the same palladium on off sunset and 1:26:51.040 --> 1:26:53.679 she was doing security with the yellow jackets and security 1:26:53.720 --> 1:26:55.720 on the back, you know. And she was like, yo, 1:26:56.320 --> 1:26:57.920 I met up with Doctor Dre. He's starting a new 1:26:58.000 --> 1:26:59.880 label called Death Row and he signed me. 1:27:00.439 --> 1:27:01.760 And I was like for real. 1:27:01.880 --> 1:27:05.599 She goes, yes, we were about to watch so yeah, 1:27:06.240 --> 1:27:08.320 she was with Nikki D. She used to sleep on 1:27:08.400 --> 1:27:11.519 the couch at Chunk King. She a place to stay. 1:27:11.600 --> 1:27:18.720 So she's born. She's yeah, yeah, and uh and uh 1:27:19.040 --> 1:27:19.760 it did I was. 1:27:20.000 --> 1:27:20.880 It was her Nikki D. 1:27:21.040 --> 1:27:24.080 And Nikki's sister used to call a terrible t and 1:27:24.240 --> 1:27:26.680 I met rage because Nikki D. You know, it was 1:27:26.720 --> 1:27:29.600 the first female on Death Jam. We went to the 1:27:29.680 --> 1:27:32.360 release party for her and we knew we all we 1:27:32.400 --> 1:27:35.599 all knew each other. But they need to ride home 1:27:35.680 --> 1:27:37.760 and I had the m p V and and we 1:27:38.000 --> 1:27:41.760 just got the step in thee arena test press cassette 1:27:42.120 --> 1:27:44.679 to make sure it sounded good. We ne CDs weren't 1:27:44.680 --> 1:27:47.320 ready yet, and uh, you know, to test those out 1:27:48.120 --> 1:27:50.240 before we were before were going to put them into production. 1:27:50.880 --> 1:27:52.800 And I had precisely the right. 1:27:52.800 --> 1:27:56.200 Rhymes, which was my jam where I used the Brethren drums, 1:27:56.240 --> 1:28:00.479 and I had that fifty hertz uh eight away which. 1:28:00.400 --> 1:28:05.120 Is said, if you ever get here, you're right right. 1:28:06.320 --> 1:28:08.640 I'm giving them a ride home. Right when they get 1:28:08.680 --> 1:28:11.439 in the car, I said, y'all might about listening to something. 1:28:11.720 --> 1:28:13.000 My new album is about to come out, and they 1:28:13.000 --> 1:28:13.920 were like, yeah, go ahead and play it. 1:28:14.600 --> 1:28:15.519 When that when that. 1:28:16.040 --> 1:28:24.280 Base said, Raige goes, I turned around, like she goes 1:28:24.360 --> 1:28:25.400 that eight o eight? 1:28:25.479 --> 1:28:28.320 I said, what you know about eight o eight? Play 1:28:28.400 --> 1:28:28.960 it again? 1:28:29.120 --> 1:28:32.439 You know, almost like it was making a horny. She'll 1:28:32.479 --> 1:28:35.000 tell you the same story. She'll tell you like yo. 1:28:35.160 --> 1:28:37.640 She was like oh, And I was like yo. By 1:28:37.800 --> 1:28:38.320 you know about that? 1:28:38.360 --> 1:28:40.479 She goes to work at chun King, he said, you know, 1:28:40.760 --> 1:28:42.799 I'm always there, you know, seeing him do the process. 1:28:43.479 --> 1:28:45.840 She's trying to engineer her like she's wanted to get. 1:28:46.439 --> 1:28:50.360 She was wanted to be engineer and an artist. But 1:28:50.479 --> 1:28:52.040 everything she wanted me to she used to come to 1:28:52.080 --> 1:28:54.360 my house and everything she wanted to do was like 1:28:54.840 --> 1:28:56.880 Luther vandros Loop And I was like, no, you need 1:28:57.000 --> 1:29:04.880 hardcore beats years ahead of her time. As soon as 1:29:04.920 --> 1:29:13.160 I heard this should be played high volume, let me kick. 1:29:13.080 --> 1:29:15.760 Off, I was like, that's her, you know. 1:29:15.800 --> 1:29:17.439 And even though it said it on the cover said 1:29:17.479 --> 1:29:19.160 late was the death Row inmates, it was a real 1:29:19.320 --> 1:29:22.080 little block in the bottom left corner, and I was like, 1:29:22.200 --> 1:29:22.680 that's her. 1:29:23.400 --> 1:29:25.880 And then she was on everything. And then so by 1:29:25.960 --> 1:29:27.920 the time y'all, did you did the record for her album? 1:29:28.040 --> 1:29:31.439 That was? I mean, yeah, that was but it started 1:29:31.720 --> 1:29:33.760 I was already in shambles at that time. 1:29:33.920 --> 1:29:36.080 Can I ask you something since you brought it up, 1:29:36.080 --> 1:29:41.160 ask me something. Be super honest with me, don't be 1:29:41.320 --> 1:29:50.040 politically correct. When the Chronic came out, Yeah, September nineteen 1:29:50.120 --> 1:29:56.400 ninety two, what was your initial reaction bloom be a. 1:29:56.560 --> 1:30:02.160 Way, Yes, I I I wanted him to hear it 1:30:02.200 --> 1:30:05.960 from you. Yo. 1:30:06.200 --> 1:30:09.960 Every song really tied in, you know, because. 1:30:10.120 --> 1:30:12.479 It was blowing away like shau. 1:30:12.560 --> 1:30:14.560 I remember because telling me you said, like, after the 1:30:14.640 --> 1:30:17.360 Chronic came out, that's what made you step up the sonics. 1:30:17.520 --> 1:30:20.759 Yeah, because even though he samples, I mean, will replace 1:30:20.800 --> 1:30:24.639 stuff it just and plus again, I'm I'm from an era, 1:30:24.840 --> 1:30:28.240 I'm from boom Box and drive and I drive all 1:30:28.280 --> 1:30:30.080 the timetimes. Just get in the car to drive and 1:30:30.200 --> 1:30:33.519 just listen to Ship. So that's still my mentality and 1:30:33.600 --> 1:30:37.160 that's how I grade. Like Shout the Tory Wolf. We 1:30:37.280 --> 1:30:40.000 just finished her album on my On my I have 1:30:40.120 --> 1:30:42.840 two labels year Round, which is my street Ship and 1:30:42.920 --> 1:30:45.360 then I have T T T, which is to the Top. 1:30:45.439 --> 1:30:49.120 With my manager Ian, we put our alternative stuff R 1:30:49.120 --> 1:30:51.880 and B whatever, just as long as not the gutter gutter, 1:30:52.080 --> 1:30:54.800 we put it on T T T. So The Tory 1:30:54.840 --> 1:30:56.840 Wolf Out I just finished. And even though she's a 1:30:56.880 --> 1:30:59.519 singer songwriter and all of that stuff, in the style 1:30:59.520 --> 1:31:02.080 of music I did for her is so different. I 1:31:02.280 --> 1:31:04.800 still mat When I went to mastering the shot to 1:31:04.880 --> 1:31:07.760 Tony Darcy, who's been mastering my stuff since the early 1:31:07.800 --> 1:31:10.920 Gagstar days. Soon as I got there, he said, you 1:31:11.080 --> 1:31:13.599 still doing He did the first thing. Tony said, still 1:31:13.640 --> 1:31:14.599 doing the cassette way? 1:31:14.640 --> 1:31:15.160 I said, yeah. 1:31:16.000 --> 1:31:20.680 When I sequence, I say a cassette, I be of 1:31:20.720 --> 1:31:23.120 a cassette and you know what would start when you 1:31:23.160 --> 1:31:25.240 flip it over. The flip over part is the most 1:31:25.280 --> 1:31:28.800 difficult for me because getting it going, you want to 1:31:28.840 --> 1:31:31.040 put some bangers, but you still need to put some 1:31:31.120 --> 1:31:31.960 bangers on the other side. 1:31:32.040 --> 1:31:33.559 Yeah, you got, and you got to kick off side 1:31:33.600 --> 1:31:36.120 be with a banger, and and I just I. 1:31:36.240 --> 1:31:37.920 Just sit there and just play the ending of the 1:31:37.960 --> 1:31:40.040 song in my head, like when I look at the list, 1:31:40.120 --> 1:31:42.479 like damn with that, run into that, and then I'm 1:31:42.520 --> 1:31:45.760 really meticulous about the spacing. You know, some might run 1:31:45.840 --> 1:31:49.800 into it on one, two, three and boom. 1:31:51.240 --> 1:31:51.840 Does he really? 1:31:52.040 --> 1:31:54.680 Yeah, he's sequence, he sequenced. This is everything on the 1:31:54.680 --> 1:31:57.040 one like when you listen to his record. Really, yeah, 1:31:57.520 --> 1:31:59.160 that's because I learned that from him too. 1:32:00.120 --> 1:32:02.560 I like stuff out of here, stuff like that. Do 1:32:02.640 --> 1:32:04.400 you want of these first person to heard you that? Wow? 1:32:04.760 --> 1:32:06.680 See I only said that because I. 1:32:06.680 --> 1:32:08.599 Saw you say something about that before in the interview 1:32:08.640 --> 1:32:10.599 or something about the chronic didn't hit you right away? 1:32:10.760 --> 1:32:14.360 Dog, I'm saying like, because you mentioned straight out the 1:32:14.400 --> 1:32:18.360 jungle to me, and all right, figure out the way 1:32:18.439 --> 1:32:20.160 that you did take it personal. 1:32:20.720 --> 1:32:21.799 So you take skull. 1:32:21.680 --> 1:32:25.160 Snaps and you took was twelve hundred just that one song. 1:32:25.760 --> 1:32:28.680 Really because you're your weapon of choice by now is 1:32:28.680 --> 1:32:32.000 still the sixty No I use renaissance, no no, no, no, no, 1:32:32.200 --> 1:32:36.400 I mean yeah, back because my engineer Eddie Sancho when 1:32:36.600 --> 1:32:39.240 Lyle was doing the Russian Dragon, he was like. 1:32:39.280 --> 1:32:41.160 Yoh, it's taking too long to do it that way, man, 1:32:41.200 --> 1:32:43.040 he said, you know what, and I'm watching how you're 1:32:43.200 --> 1:32:46.080 doing your beast because he Eddie Santo was the engineer 1:32:46.200 --> 1:32:49.559 there at D and D. He's like, you should use 1:32:49.560 --> 1:32:52.640 the NPC because the tracks are laid out, you know, 1:32:52.960 --> 1:32:54.040 one through a million. 1:32:54.120 --> 1:32:54.559 And he said. 1:32:54.680 --> 1:32:57.800 The thing with that is it's like he says, it's 1:32:57.840 --> 1:33:00.120 like a tape deck without being a tape deck, and 1:33:00.360 --> 1:33:02.479 you know a tape machine. I mean, so he said, 1:33:02.560 --> 1:33:04.120 that's all. You just don't have the tape machine, but 1:33:04.320 --> 1:33:06.360 just the way you could layer and mute and do this. 1:33:06.439 --> 1:33:07.240 And I was like wow. 1:33:07.720 --> 1:33:09.160 So then when he taught me how to work it, 1:33:09.240 --> 1:33:11.120 I was like, he's like, you know, I'm about to 1:33:11.120 --> 1:33:11.760 get rid of mine. 1:33:11.800 --> 1:33:12.400 You want to buy it? 1:33:12.520 --> 1:33:14.200 I bought it and that's when I got hooked on 1:33:14.240 --> 1:33:14.479 the MP. 1:33:15.080 --> 1:33:16.840 What's the first thing you did on the MP. 1:33:18.040 --> 1:33:18.160 Uh? 1:33:19.720 --> 1:33:21.320 Well, all of extra. 1:33:21.560 --> 1:33:25.439 Extra was the alessis. Uh So the mp I would 1:33:25.479 --> 1:33:30.040 probably say it's on daily operation. Around that time it 1:33:30.120 --> 1:33:36.519 would probably be it would honestly around that time. That 1:33:36.640 --> 1:33:41.000 was around Dwick Okay, So because drig was the B side, 1:33:41.040 --> 1:33:42.760 it wasn't on it. It wasn't meant to be on 1:33:42.840 --> 1:33:45.120 the album. The only reason why we did Dwick was 1:33:45.200 --> 1:33:50.000 to give Nice and Smooth payback to down the line. 1:33:50.560 --> 1:33:54.000 They were like because they were like because we all 1:33:54.040 --> 1:33:56.360 did that together, bugging out, and we were like, well, 1:33:56.479 --> 1:33:58.719 doing on our on our record. But the album already 1:33:58.720 --> 1:34:03.000 been turned in. And I remember Don Baron was there 1:34:03.080 --> 1:34:05.439 from the Masters of Ceremony because he was friends with 1:34:05.600 --> 1:34:08.360 Nice and Smooth and dub C, who's been coming to 1:34:08.439 --> 1:34:12.160 New York since since you know, d J Aladdin was 1:34:12.200 --> 1:34:15.600 battling in eighty nine. I've been friends with dubb C. 1:34:15.800 --> 1:34:19.560 Recipes to his brother Crazy Tunes. We just shot a 1:34:19.680 --> 1:34:23.240 video for year my Year Round label. Me and MC 1:34:23.360 --> 1:34:25.920 eight just did a project called Which Way Is West 1:34:26.120 --> 1:34:28.840 that I executive produced. I produced three songs, and he 1:34:28.880 --> 1:34:31.880 has a producer named Brin Sinatra from Austria, who. 1:34:32.200 --> 1:34:35.240 I know, yeah the reasons. 1:34:36.280 --> 1:34:38.960 He produced the rest of it. But the mixes were everywhere, 1:34:39.080 --> 1:34:41.160 so I told her, let me mix it, give it 1:34:41.240 --> 1:34:43.880 to me and if there's any hooks and nothing that's tight, 1:34:44.000 --> 1:34:46.320 I'll scratch on it. So I scratched on every song, 1:34:47.400 --> 1:34:49.519 mixed everything, had to get all the vocals in order. 1:34:49.520 --> 1:34:50.880 That's why it took me so long this day, I'm 1:34:50.880 --> 1:34:53.280 not used to mixing somebody else's stuff. I like mixing 1:34:53.320 --> 1:34:55.680 my stuff. Got it tight, We turned it in. We're 1:34:55.680 --> 1:34:57.559 about to release that. We just shot the video four 1:34:57.640 --> 1:35:00.880 days before Christmas. So Tunes was with us and that's 1:35:00.920 --> 1:35:02.880 why we dedicated to him. So we're about to release 1:35:02.920 --> 1:35:05.400 the video in about a week or so, and uh 1:35:05.479 --> 1:35:07.280 I Tunes is all in the video, and then at 1:35:07.320 --> 1:35:09.320 the end we give a special spot to him showing 1:35:09.360 --> 1:35:11.400 I'm just throwing it up slow motion. You know, it 1:35:11.479 --> 1:35:13.519 was just saying the RP to him, and you know 1:35:13.640 --> 1:35:15.760 it was just even going to his funeral. Was lc 1:35:15.920 --> 1:35:18.920 in LLL there and Chuck d there and almost every 1:35:18.960 --> 1:35:21.120 West Coast artist you could think of was there. 1:35:21.200 --> 1:35:22.880 It was Yeah, I never got a chance to meet 1:35:22.880 --> 1:35:23.799 to him. I heard. 1:35:25.280 --> 1:35:27.040 He was more than homie, he was a friend, you know. 1:35:27.920 --> 1:35:30.439 So that the first song is not even the singles. 1:35:30.920 --> 1:35:33.680 We did the single which is called Compton Zoo and 1:35:33.760 --> 1:35:36.320 then and then I knew eight from back then too already. 1:35:36.400 --> 1:35:38.559 That's how we've been so cool and uh so all 1:35:38.600 --> 1:35:40.320 of that's gonna be coming out, you know, prom to 1:35:41.200 --> 1:35:46.840 Tory Wolf uh m C eight uh the Nygs and 1:35:47.000 --> 1:35:49.360 my band, the Battle Band. So we're doing the EP 1:35:49.760 --> 1:35:51.040 and we're about to go on the road too. 1:35:51.200 --> 1:35:59.360 So so what is your your creative process as far 1:35:59.479 --> 1:36:05.520 as you practicing? 1:36:07.200 --> 1:36:10.080 Are you a get up at eight o'clock and treat 1:36:10.120 --> 1:36:12.960 this like my real gig thing? Do you listen to 1:36:13.040 --> 1:36:16.560 records on Sunday for five hours uninterrupted? Do you like, 1:36:16.640 --> 1:36:19.280 what's your cause to be as good as you are? 1:36:20.160 --> 1:36:24.519 We're cutting, scratching, looping, and you you know, even though 1:36:24.800 --> 1:36:31.080 I know the evolution of your production style from your 1:36:31.120 --> 1:36:33.800 earlier work where you're just straight looping four bars to 1:36:33.840 --> 1:36:36.880 the point where you're chopping stuff and or looping one 1:36:37.000 --> 1:36:42.840 ball right right, So what is your what's your preparation 1:36:43.080 --> 1:36:45.120 like like do you have do you just do like, okay, 1:36:45.120 --> 1:36:46.719 I'm just do three hours a day. 1:36:47.280 --> 1:36:52.479 Of that's how it was, well, not now, but like then, 1:36:52.720 --> 1:36:57.519 like uh maybe all the way up till maybe ninety three, 1:36:58.320 --> 1:37:02.160 that's what always get up, just start practicing cuts and 1:37:02.320 --> 1:37:05.519 going to goole and go on goo yo goo check 1:37:05.560 --> 1:37:07.240 this out. And I said, we're gonna use that for 1:37:07.800 --> 1:37:09.040 for this beat and stuff like that. 1:37:10.000 --> 1:37:14.680 You practice cuts, yeah, because you know more. Even when 1:37:14.680 --> 1:37:17.479 you were DJing on the radio, I was shocked that 1:37:17.600 --> 1:37:21.280 you play the street versions of some shit and did 1:37:21.360 --> 1:37:24.200 the reverse yeah and not. I was like, why didn't 1:37:24.200 --> 1:37:26.439 he just play the radio version because the first time 1:37:26.479 --> 1:37:31.680 we ever came to your show, you played the the 1:37:32.320 --> 1:37:36.439 uncensored version of Brooklyn Zoo. Now, in my opinion, I 1:37:36.720 --> 1:37:40.240 like his his his vocal performance on the radio version. 1:37:40.280 --> 1:37:41.559 It's better to me right right. 1:37:42.360 --> 1:37:44.679 And I was like, and whoever is in the studio, 1:37:44.680 --> 1:37:47.639 I was like, yo, why does he play the streets 1:37:47.680 --> 1:37:49.680 on when the clean version is way better? Like it's 1:37:49.720 --> 1:37:52.240 a better vocal performance. And it's like, yeah, he always does, 1:37:52.840 --> 1:37:56.519 you know? He like that tells me you study the 1:37:56.600 --> 1:37:57.080 song too. 1:37:57.680 --> 1:38:00.400 Yep. I'll listen to all the curses and just right 1:38:01.200 --> 1:38:04.200 the curse word on a piece of paper and the 1:38:04.720 --> 1:38:05.840 two words it comes before. 1:38:06.160 --> 1:38:07.760 So if it is it's uh. 1:38:09.720 --> 1:38:12.559 Enough to make a nigga go crazy, I'll put make 1:38:12.680 --> 1:38:16.120 a and I'll put in and then put a line 1:38:16.120 --> 1:38:18.040 I don't know why, and I won't even put a 1:38:18.080 --> 1:38:21.040 line under it. I'll put this whole scratch a thick 1:38:21.120 --> 1:38:24.000 the scribble line under that that N word, so it'll 1:38:24.040 --> 1:38:26.040 make me just be like and you know, so I'm 1:38:26.080 --> 1:38:29.920 gonna look at the paper, but you wants. 1:38:30.800 --> 1:38:33.240 Yeah right. 1:38:33.520 --> 1:38:36.559 It became normal and Flex used to call me because 1:38:36.640 --> 1:38:39.160 I was on from eight to ten, Flex from ten 1:38:39.240 --> 1:38:40.720 to midnight. Flex is calling you? 1:38:40.840 --> 1:38:42.120 What is that? What is that? What is that? 1:38:42.280 --> 1:38:45.320 That's how I broke Shook Ones Part two because. 1:38:45.720 --> 1:38:49.840 I'm on throughout. Yeah. Yes, they came to see me. 1:38:50.479 --> 1:38:53.599 First first because I worked with them because the Lost 1:38:53.640 --> 1:38:56.960 Professor on peer pressure and did the remix and we 1:38:56.960 --> 1:39:00.640 shot a video and everything, and so the shoot Ones 1:39:00.800 --> 1:39:02.479 part one was had been out, and you know, they 1:39:02.520 --> 1:39:04.400 were already alloud. I saw them at D n D 1:39:04.520 --> 1:39:05.960 in the A room and they were like, yo, man, 1:39:05.960 --> 1:39:08.240 we gotta get you our new record shop ones from 1:39:08.240 --> 1:39:11.240 when you go on the radio this weekend. And I 1:39:11.400 --> 1:39:13.080 was like, I already got it. He said, no, this 1:39:13.240 --> 1:39:16.040 is part two. He goes, this is some other ship 1:39:16.200 --> 1:39:18.320 this is and having like wait till you hear this one, 1:39:18.920 --> 1:39:22.240 and I was like okay, And then they brought it 1:39:22.320 --> 1:39:25.080 to me during commercial break and as soon I just 1:39:25.120 --> 1:39:28.680 sit here, word up somewhere to all of them, I 1:39:28.880 --> 1:39:34.960 was like, I was like oh man, it's just like 1:39:35.080 --> 1:39:36.280 I never heard no. 1:39:36.680 --> 1:39:37.320 Beat like this. 1:39:37.600 --> 1:39:39.760 That one became more popular, right, Oh yeah, that was 1:39:39.840 --> 1:39:40.160 the one. 1:39:41.760 --> 1:39:43.320 It was on like a tape I had, like the 1:39:44.200 --> 1:39:47.400 single or whatever, and part one was whatever, but two 1:39:47.640 --> 1:39:52.080 was the one that was it. Man, talk about because 1:39:52.280 --> 1:39:55.840 I mean by this time, so talk about Jay RW 1:39:56.160 --> 1:39:58.559 in group home because as you had told me before, 1:39:58.720 --> 1:40:01.599 like they were kind of you know, they were kind 1:40:01.600 --> 1:40:03.600 of you know, the red headed steps was like just 1:40:03.680 --> 1:40:05.240 kind of passed them off, like, yeah, work with them. 1:40:05.479 --> 1:40:08.360 Well what happened was I bring it down to you 1:40:09.080 --> 1:40:15.439 we uh we we knew Jay Rue uh and DApp once. 1:40:15.479 --> 1:40:20.040 I even joined Gangstar because uh a guy named Gusmo 1:40:20.960 --> 1:40:23.680 what was around Guru all the time Me and got 1:40:23.720 --> 1:40:28.080 mad cool. Yeah, and so he started bringing them around. 1:40:28.680 --> 1:40:31.800 So as it and then it just started growing more people, 1:40:31.880 --> 1:40:34.400 more people, more people. I always gonna keep my distance 1:40:34.439 --> 1:40:36.840 at first, just because I was so new, you know, 1:40:36.880 --> 1:40:39.160 I didn't want to you know, people start jumping on. 1:40:39.240 --> 1:40:40.519 You don't know what the vibe is gonna be. 1:40:40.960 --> 1:40:44.040 So as time passed, you know, me and DAP and 1:40:44.040 --> 1:40:45.160 always got finally. 1:40:44.960 --> 1:40:46.720 Cool and we're all cool with each other. First we 1:40:47.520 --> 1:40:48.600 had a little tension. 1:40:48.360 --> 1:40:50.760 Because it was just like, you know, we're with the 1:40:50.960 --> 1:40:53.559 we're with the mc you're we're we're with the guy. 1:40:53.680 --> 1:40:56.280 You're just the McCoy things. 1:40:56.320 --> 1:41:00.080 Absolutely your crew versus gurus pretty pretty much. And I 1:41:00.120 --> 1:41:01.760 didn't really have a crew, you know what I'm saying. 1:41:01.880 --> 1:41:04.120 My friends from college and that was pretty much it. 1:41:04.360 --> 1:41:04.800 And you know, my. 1:41:04.840 --> 1:41:07.360 Grandfather had already passed, and you know, I didn't really 1:41:07.400 --> 1:41:10.080 have no friends. I knew Vic Black, who's still down 1:41:10.120 --> 1:41:11.880 with me, because when I lived in East New York, 1:41:12.280 --> 1:41:14.639 I knew Fat Gary, I knew Black. 1:41:14.720 --> 1:41:15.960 Is he the one that's in just. 1:41:17.560 --> 1:41:22.400 So uh uh he's uh, it's him. So everybody from 1:41:22.439 --> 1:41:23.960 that side of East New York we always called the 1:41:24.360 --> 1:41:27.320 jay ruin them the other side because there's there's another 1:41:27.360 --> 1:41:30.439 side of the East New York across across uh, you know, 1:41:31.080 --> 1:41:33.360 Liberty and all of that. So on that side, in 1:41:33.520 --> 1:41:36.240 Lavonia and and all that by the train tracks on 1:41:36.360 --> 1:41:41.040 that side's predominantly Spanish, but it's very wild, very shoot 1:41:41.080 --> 1:41:43.960 him up. So we always said, you know, we're on 1:41:44.040 --> 1:41:45.519 this side of because I live right right next to 1:41:45.640 --> 1:41:48.880 Lyndon Houses, which is very wild projects. So I'm right there, 1:41:49.080 --> 1:41:52.080 I'm near pink houses. I'm near and then near, you know, 1:41:52.640 --> 1:41:57.400 the the drama drama. So Jay ruis borderline of of 1:41:57.600 --> 1:42:02.240 of Brownsville, uh and and the other side. So it 1:42:02.360 --> 1:42:05.720 hit where he lived in Grace Towers, separates that part 1:42:05.720 --> 1:42:07.160 of East New York, but where he lives as a 1:42:07.200 --> 1:42:11.719 wild too. So we started being cool with both sides, 1:42:12.160 --> 1:42:14.120 my friends, you know, with just Fat Gary. 1:42:14.560 --> 1:42:15.840 A lot older guys, you know. 1:42:16.040 --> 1:42:19.719 But Black Black had a label called Black Magic Records 1:42:20.120 --> 1:42:22.040 before I even got a deal. I wanted him to 1:42:22.120 --> 1:42:24.680 sign me, and he was like, it's not what you think. 1:42:24.800 --> 1:42:26.080 Just because I have a stack of records in my 1:42:26.160 --> 1:42:28.200 car and all that, it's independent. I don't undertand what 1:42:28.240 --> 1:42:32.800 independent labels was at the time. Black had his first artists. 1:42:32.800 --> 1:42:35.160 They were called Spider Man and Freeze, and they had 1:42:35.200 --> 1:42:43.439 a record call. Yes, it was called I'm Too Much. 1:42:44.280 --> 1:42:44.479 Yeah. 1:42:44.520 --> 1:42:47.640 They were a group, spider Man and Freeze. Yeah, like 1:42:47.920 --> 1:42:50.759 they were before they got to doing poison. 1:42:51.000 --> 1:42:55.040 This is early early so I can't even get a 1:42:55.120 --> 1:42:55.639 sound effect. 1:43:03.439 --> 1:43:06.240 Wait a minute, seriously, Yes, it was called I'm Too Much. 1:43:06.320 --> 1:43:09.280 I have a stack of them at the house around 1:43:10.400 --> 1:43:13.120 around right around around around It's called I'm Too Much. 1:43:13.240 --> 1:43:15.720 By Spider Man and Freeze. So they all from the 1:43:15.720 --> 1:43:20.760 same projects. Uh yeah, so different workman, so so so 1:43:20.960 --> 1:43:23.400 that I used to hang out with them and everything 1:43:23.640 --> 1:43:26.439 again before I was in Gangstar, So you know, the 1:43:26.920 --> 1:43:29.000 hanging with them, that's how I got cool with so 1:43:29.080 --> 1:43:31.479 many real live dudes in East New York. So I 1:43:31.600 --> 1:43:34.160 was really around real soldiers that put it in you know. 1:43:34.680 --> 1:43:38.640 Uh Black is the Tomers a former Tomahawk, you know, 1:43:38.680 --> 1:43:43.320 one of the biggest gangs during the Warriors era. Tomahawk 1:43:43.400 --> 1:43:46.120 is a real, you know, certified gang in Brooklyn. So 1:43:46.560 --> 1:43:49.280 he was a Tomahawk. So he goes back back and 1:43:49.520 --> 1:43:53.360 uh so when it came to that, that that stage 1:43:53.400 --> 1:43:55.120 of it, I've seen them grow to where it finally 1:43:55.200 --> 1:43:57.800 got to you know, them doing poison and color me 1:43:57.880 --> 1:43:59.759 bad sex, you up all that stuff. 1:44:00.160 --> 1:44:03.719 Doctor free Yeah yeah, it was Doctor Free The biggest gangs, 1:44:06.080 --> 1:44:09.360 the Doctor Freeze and Spider Man. 1:44:09.840 --> 1:44:13.280 Okay, I have a question about Jay Ruth The Damage. 1:44:15.640 --> 1:44:22.040 I consider that all right, first album, the first Summarises 1:44:22.080 --> 1:44:27.879 from the East. I consider that entire record your greatest 1:44:28.040 --> 1:44:30.360 troll and your greatest victory. 1:44:32.080 --> 1:44:38.400 Now, I mean what I have to know is. 1:44:40.680 --> 1:44:42.760 I want to know your attitude I think I brought 1:44:42.800 --> 1:44:45.280 this up to you maybe twenty years ago backstage at 1:44:45.280 --> 1:44:49.120 the Beastie Boys show. But what is what is super 1:44:49.479 --> 1:44:54.080 notable and very much troll like about the Jay Ruth 1:44:54.120 --> 1:44:58.000 The damage of record is because now it's it's it 1:44:58.200 --> 1:45:02.479 comes out in uh ninety four technically ninety four, yeah, 1:45:02.680 --> 1:45:04.040 even though Come Clean came out and. 1:45:05.720 --> 1:45:06.240 Ninety three. 1:45:07.280 --> 1:45:11.000 So I consider this and his entry into hip hop 1:45:12.040 --> 1:45:15.760 in eighty nine the new renaissance era again with the 1:45:16.040 --> 1:45:23.439 large professor premiere tippin' Ali Pete. In other words, they're 1:45:23.600 --> 1:45:28.479 not doing the conventional means of hip hop production, whereas 1:45:28.800 --> 1:45:31.680 you know, again using break beat Lindens. 1:45:32.800 --> 1:45:37.080 Beats and breaks and all that stuff. Baby lou right 1:45:37.240 --> 1:45:44.120 break be Loo. So here's the thing, though, every every drum. 1:45:45.479 --> 1:45:49.840 Uh, every drum track used on Summerses from the East, 1:45:51.720 --> 1:45:55.160 at that point when I'm listening in ninety four, I 1:45:55.360 --> 1:46:00.880 consider it extremely taboo. In other words, it's like if 1:46:01.000 --> 1:46:06.200 Ray says, hey, uh, let's take uh a mental stamina, 1:46:08.360 --> 1:46:11.360 Billy Jean ain't the first thing I'd grabbed for when 1:46:11.360 --> 1:46:12.719 I'm thinking of drums. 1:46:12.760 --> 1:46:17.160 I mean, now, as mature, you know, anything's up for grabs. 1:46:16.920 --> 1:46:17.000 But. 1:46:20.520 --> 1:46:25.120 Literally do like you took uh what was the static 1:46:25.240 --> 1:46:27.200 like you like it too? For static. 1:46:29.040 --> 1:46:32.439 Is a renaissance cat thinking, Okay, let me go to 1:46:32.520 --> 1:46:34.760 all and be some breaks and take Funkadelics you like 1:46:34.840 --> 1:46:35.080 it too? 1:46:36.200 --> 1:46:37.120 Or uh. 1:46:38.680 --> 1:46:43.800 All Night literally even the original even the original Jungle 1:46:43.840 --> 1:46:46.720 Brothers using on the run, even. 1:46:46.800 --> 1:46:52.240 Even using coolest back for come Clean. So after when 1:46:52.280 --> 1:46:54.880 I listened to the record, which takes we will talk 1:46:54.880 --> 1:46:57.680 about that later, right already. Yeah, even when listening to 1:46:57.720 --> 1:47:01.400 the record. By the time we got to with with 1:47:01.479 --> 1:47:05.000 the exception of Knowledge, you can't start the prophet. 1:47:06.320 --> 1:47:09.880 That's because the show biz show biz said yo, when 1:47:09.880 --> 1:47:12.599 he didn't catch wreck. I was so addicted that record. 1:47:12.640 --> 1:47:16.160 I was like, yo, yeah, I said, shouldn't do the 1:47:16.160 --> 1:47:19.599 shingling right right shing ling? And I was like, yo, man, 1:47:20.120 --> 1:47:22.280 I would love to use those drums. I have two copies. 1:47:22.360 --> 1:47:24.679 You said, didn't didn't do your thing. I was like, yeah, 1:47:24.760 --> 1:47:27.200 but I've never taken a drum from somebody else. 1:47:27.360 --> 1:47:31.080 That's not that's like, that's like the show was like, nah, 1:47:31.160 --> 1:47:31.559 because I. 1:47:31.600 --> 1:47:33.080 Know you're not gonna do it the same way I 1:47:33.200 --> 1:47:35.479 did it. And he said, I can't wait to hear 1:47:35.520 --> 1:47:39.040 what you do to it. And remember I remember he 1:47:39.120 --> 1:47:45.760 called me and goes like it, He goes, this is crazy. 1:47:46.040 --> 1:47:49.840 Yeah, I'm not even sample. I was like, yo, I 1:47:49.920 --> 1:47:52.600 hated you. I just I just found it, like. 1:47:54.520 --> 1:47:59.479 Like like four months ago, get the drum. But yeah, 1:47:59.680 --> 1:47:59.880 said I. 1:48:00.320 --> 1:48:02.120 I was coming over from a gig and I was 1:48:02.200 --> 1:48:06.479 just Jazz was like, that's the Crusaders, and then it 1:48:06.560 --> 1:48:12.560 came on. I was like, but my point was that 1:48:13.960 --> 1:48:16.439 the reason why I said this is either your greatest 1:48:16.560 --> 1:48:21.519 troll or your your your your magnum opus, only because 1:48:24.960 --> 1:48:29.640 I feel as though you said either, all right, let 1:48:29.720 --> 1:48:33.320 me do his record, and all right, let me challenge 1:48:33.360 --> 1:48:41.120 myself and use thirteen backdrops of drums that no one 1:48:41.200 --> 1:48:45.360 else would even touch, the sumption of old to Billy Joel, 1:48:45.520 --> 1:48:48.840 which was still not in the lexicon of hip hop 1:48:49.080 --> 1:48:50.479 drum producing whatever. 1:48:52.160 --> 1:48:57.080 Why did you purpose? I like, you could have used 1:48:57.439 --> 1:48:58.080 the same drum. 1:48:58.200 --> 1:49:00.640 You could have used scarf snaps I mean, which I 1:49:00.720 --> 1:49:04.400 mean was relatively new there. Why did you use the 1:49:04.520 --> 1:49:07.719 most taboo I would never touch that in a million 1:49:07.880 --> 1:49:09.840 years stuff, none of your contemporaries would touch it. 1:49:10.720 --> 1:49:12.880 Played out might have been the term why did you 1:49:13.040 --> 1:49:13.280 do that? 1:49:13.960 --> 1:49:17.240 That's still my approach even now where I'm like, you 1:49:17.320 --> 1:49:20.360 know what, I've never used to what not drums and 1:49:20.600 --> 1:49:23.120 I'll go, let me do a version of that, or 1:49:23.160 --> 1:49:26.479 I'll go, I never used the what's the. 1:49:29.479 --> 1:49:29.679 Yeah? 1:49:33.720 --> 1:49:36.680 Right yet right the same thing. It's like, damn, you 1:49:36.760 --> 1:49:38.920 know it's been out and it had its run, no 1:49:39.000 --> 1:49:39.920 one's really touching it. 1:49:40.600 --> 1:49:43.599 Would you have done that to a gang star record? Yeah? 1:49:44.400 --> 1:49:48.240 Yeah, you know what it is. But just understand you 1:49:48.439 --> 1:49:51.320 understand first of all, when when when Jay Ruin became 1:49:51.439 --> 1:49:52.120 part of our. 1:49:52.439 --> 1:49:53.000 Of our crew. 1:49:53.320 --> 1:49:56.439 I remember when we brand from ourselves left a drum 1:49:56.560 --> 1:49:59.360 set at the Brownstone, So I used to play it 1:49:59.360 --> 1:50:01.479 a lot, you know, and and that's where I started getting, 1:50:01.479 --> 1:50:04.360 you know, because I was decent enough from when Travis 1:50:04.360 --> 1:50:08.360 Scott's father taught me how to drum. So Dab used 1:50:08.400 --> 1:50:11.040 to love the drums because he'd be like, let me 1:50:11.120 --> 1:50:13.400 get on it. How you do it? Dap caught on quick. 1:50:13.439 --> 1:50:15.599 So we used to have little battles just bugging out 1:50:15.840 --> 1:50:17.920 and we did doing a little different rhythms and stuff 1:50:17.960 --> 1:50:21.200 like that. Next thing, you know, you know, we always 1:50:21.400 --> 1:50:24.799 it's always all of us together in this Brownstone, just smoking, 1:50:24.920 --> 1:50:30.400 drinking and a jillion girls in the house just party, party, party, party, party, party, party, party, party, 1:50:30.720 --> 1:50:32.519 every day. Even when we went on to and come home, 1:50:34.160 --> 1:50:36.360 twenty people there, and it wasn't like what are y'all 1:50:36.360 --> 1:50:37.760 doing to get out of the house. It was more like, hey, 1:50:37.760 --> 1:50:42.000 what's up everybody, We're back and yeah, yeah, we would 1:50:42.040 --> 1:50:42.800 leave people in the house. 1:50:42.800 --> 1:50:44.200 Did you lock your room? Yeah? 1:50:48.360 --> 1:50:52.200 Yeah, I locked mine, trust me and so, and they'd 1:50:52.240 --> 1:50:53.840 be like, yeah, locking his door. 1:50:53.960 --> 1:50:57.360 Yeah, you know, but but he. 1:50:57.439 --> 1:50:59.400 Used to breaking my room and still with my record, still, 1:50:59.479 --> 1:51:01.760 who's that. I'd be like, all, let my passport and 1:51:01.840 --> 1:51:05.600 see my room open cast going through my records already. 1:51:05.479 --> 1:51:07.280 Yeah, but half his record. 1:51:07.760 --> 1:51:10.800 But that's how the foundation even started because we used 1:51:10.800 --> 1:51:12.600 to just bug out it downstairs because that's what the 1:51:12.640 --> 1:51:15.479 kitchen is, where Google's room is. And one day we're 1:51:15.479 --> 1:51:17.679 all just you know, I'd be playing the drums, everybody's 1:51:17.720 --> 1:51:19.120 kicking the verse, and all of a sudden Dad goes 1:51:19.280 --> 1:51:22.439 it's a little dap on the and we were like, yo, happened. 1:51:22.600 --> 1:51:24.439 Because he never wrapped in front of us. It was 1:51:24.520 --> 1:51:26.720 he was always just yeah, yeah, your son, Yeah, look 1:51:26.720 --> 1:51:28.440 at a minute, and you don't get the niggas. 1:51:28.160 --> 1:51:28.280 You know. 1:51:28.760 --> 1:51:31.519 That was now like I just missed it one of 1:51:31.520 --> 1:51:32.120 the box. Okay. 1:51:32.200 --> 1:51:35.640 So yeah, now so was it true that you that 1:51:35.800 --> 1:51:37.000 you went to court for him? 1:51:37.479 --> 1:51:41.200 And yeah, and the judge was like, yo, you know 1:51:41.320 --> 1:51:43.680 he had two gun charges on the under eighteen and 1:51:43.880 --> 1:51:46.040 you know at that time there was very very strict 1:51:46.080 --> 1:51:49.040 on gun charges in New York still and uh, the 1:51:49.439 --> 1:51:51.160 you know what, we he really wanted to box. And 1:51:51.200 --> 1:51:55.120 we told the judge, Judge Bamberger, thank you, Judge Bamberger. 1:51:55.200 --> 1:51:57.240 She was a mean, little white lady, but this tall 1:51:57.640 --> 1:52:00.320 but with an attitude, and she's like, you know, want 1:52:00.320 --> 1:52:02.360 tom box him because he's violent. He's always getting into 1:52:02.439 --> 1:52:04.560 violent stuff. He's always getting getting the rested, getting the 1:52:04.560 --> 1:52:08.080 rested because Melica loves just to get down. 1:52:08.600 --> 1:52:10.400 So she was like, but how tall is he? 1:52:10.880 --> 1:52:13.840 He's short, Yeah, but he will stand up to the 1:52:14.040 --> 1:52:15.599 biggest the meanings. 1:52:15.600 --> 1:52:16.160 You've seen him. 1:52:17.040 --> 1:52:21.000 He does not give a fuck. Ever, he still doesn't. 1:52:21.400 --> 1:52:22.960 I just spoke to him another day. He just came 1:52:23.040 --> 1:52:27.280 home again. You know what I'm saying, that's that's my baby, man. 1:52:27.360 --> 1:52:27.880 Shout shout. 1:52:28.200 --> 1:52:30.040 That's why I call him. I said, baby, he'll call 1:52:30.120 --> 1:52:32.519 him hey, baby. You know he baby, you know, And 1:52:32.680 --> 1:52:36.200 that that's my rest, my bro. So he uh, but yeah, 1:52:36.520 --> 1:52:39.240 if it's on, he's he's ready. It don't matter what is, 1:52:39.360 --> 1:52:39.920 he'll pop it. 1:52:40.000 --> 1:52:40.639 He'll do whatever. 1:52:41.000 --> 1:52:44.479 But he's a great, little, soft hearted kind guy to 1:52:44.600 --> 1:52:49.200 you that. He's very cordial. But if it's a negative situation, 1:52:49.360 --> 1:52:52.519 he's ready for it. So just stay on his good side. 1:52:53.960 --> 1:52:54.320 He loves you. 1:52:54.680 --> 1:52:57.360 He'll be like Chris and he'll talk like a child. 1:52:57.720 --> 1:52:59.560 He'll leave your drums, you know. 1:53:01.040 --> 1:53:01.200 Man. 1:53:04.520 --> 1:53:07.439 But he wanted to box so bad. He was nice. 1:53:07.560 --> 1:53:09.800 So I was like, Judge, why don't you let him 1:53:09.800 --> 1:53:11.760 box because if he can make a profession out of it, 1:53:11.880 --> 1:53:14.519 that's a positive thing. She goes, no, it's violent. She goes, 1:53:14.600 --> 1:53:17.479 have you heard the word Remand I remember she said 1:53:17.520 --> 1:53:20.240 that I'm gonna remand him. She goes, you're in music, 1:53:20.320 --> 1:53:22.560 make him make a record. I was like, but so 1:53:22.640 --> 1:53:24.960 he didn't want to wrap. He would be like, I 1:53:25.000 --> 1:53:27.320 don't want to do this, so he would always disappear. 1:53:27.400 --> 1:53:29.599 So that's why, Gus, what you got? 1:53:29.800 --> 1:53:32.719 How long did it take to make the group on album? 1:53:34.800 --> 1:53:41.040 That was the most heaviest test in It was just 1:53:41.160 --> 1:53:43.640 a lot of just push and pull to get it 1:53:43.720 --> 1:53:46.800 to be that right. Because it is a great album 1:53:47.080 --> 1:53:49.280 for what it time to be, you know, and and 1:53:49.479 --> 1:53:52.080 uh and this is what it was when Jay Rue 1:53:52.200 --> 1:53:56.439 used to do his demos over at blackscrib his Black 1:53:56.479 --> 1:53:59.559 Big Sugar and and and and group. I wasn't even 1:53:59.560 --> 1:54:02.040 wrap and then they were doing the demos over Black's crib. 1:54:02.520 --> 1:54:05.240 That's how it led to gu saying, yo, we should 1:54:05.240 --> 1:54:08.439 start Gangsta Foundation. And he said we should both sign 1:54:08.600 --> 1:54:11.639 three artists. He said I'll sign three, and you signed three, 1:54:11.880 --> 1:54:12.960 and I said, well, who you gonna sign? 1:54:13.000 --> 1:54:13.920 He said, I want Jay. 1:54:13.840 --> 1:54:16.360 Rue, Group, Home and Shug And I was like, all right, 1:54:16.439 --> 1:54:19.439 well I don't have anybody yet, but eventually I'll get somebody, 1:54:19.720 --> 1:54:21.080 So let's start with him. He said, who do you 1:54:21.080 --> 1:54:22.920 think should go first? I said, Jay Rus the one 1:54:23.000 --> 1:54:26.120 is ready. He's got the voice, he's got the cocky attitude. 1:54:26.560 --> 1:54:27.800 You know he used to call himself. He was a 1:54:27.920 --> 1:54:29.840 real fat guy back the back in the day before 1:54:29.840 --> 1:54:32.440 he started doing the martial arts and got really in shape. 1:54:32.480 --> 1:54:33.720 And he was like he used to go up the 1:54:33.760 --> 1:54:35.960 girls going, yo, what's up baby, I'm Porky the pimp. 1:54:36.160 --> 1:54:36.840 You know what I'm saying. 1:54:37.040 --> 1:54:41.280 I want to date he's still doing yo. Yeah, he's good. 1:54:42.360 --> 1:54:47.040 Oh yeah, yo, oh yeah, and ask you in the 1:54:48.040 --> 1:54:50.880 y'all together. Oh yeah, he's been around him. 1:54:52.920 --> 1:54:54.360 Yo, you want to date? And he said I'm the 1:54:54.440 --> 1:54:57.000 Fat Mac and he said you didn't matter. Fact group 1:54:57.040 --> 1:54:59.280 says that, Oh there goes my man, the Fat Mac 1:54:59.360 --> 1:55:01.360 on the Yeah. 1:55:01.480 --> 1:55:01.640 You know. 1:55:01.800 --> 1:55:04.480 So like these are the things that really happened. And 1:55:04.920 --> 1:55:07.640 so I was like, Rue is the most ready, let 1:55:07.680 --> 1:55:09.360 me do a demo with him. And I remember Llo 1:55:09.440 --> 1:55:11.760 cool J and Chris Lidi had just left my apartment 1:55:11.840 --> 1:55:14.160 that I was living at at the time to work 1:55:14.200 --> 1:55:15.000 with some LL stuff. 1:55:15.000 --> 1:55:16.280 But it never transpired. 1:55:16.480 --> 1:55:20.560 And uh, for what album U that had to be 1:55:21.320 --> 1:55:22.080 fourteen shots. 1:55:22.760 --> 1:55:23.880 It had to be fourteen shots. 1:55:25.440 --> 1:55:28.200 Yeah, fourteen shots that the dome had pink cookies, right, yeah, 1:55:28.240 --> 1:55:29.200 it was around that time. 1:55:29.400 --> 1:55:34.920 Damn you could have that album. I remember l was like, Yo, smoke, 1:55:34.960 --> 1:55:36.760 smoke a little of that good stuff. Maybe I'll get you. 1:55:37.160 --> 1:55:37.760 You know what I'm saying. 1:55:38.440 --> 1:55:42.760 We're working on some hot you know. You know, I 1:55:42.880 --> 1:55:44.360 got some joints, some LL joints. 1:55:44.480 --> 1:55:46.320 I'll play it for you. I got some joints, you know. 1:55:46.360 --> 1:55:50.400 But but but but oh yeah, but then there in 1:55:50.440 --> 1:55:53.520 the vault, but in the meantime, since Jay Ruth seemed 1:55:53.520 --> 1:55:56.400 like he was the most ready, that's when we said, well, 1:55:56.440 --> 1:55:58.960 let's put him in on our next album, on Daily Operation. 1:55:59.080 --> 1:56:01.320 And that's what we did on the and that came 1:56:01.360 --> 1:56:03.360 out though, so we were like, yo, we got something. 1:56:03.400 --> 1:56:05.320 You know, these guys got a little little something. So 1:56:05.400 --> 1:56:07.480 that's why I was like, well, since I was specialized 1:56:07.480 --> 1:56:09.760 in the beat, Google, let me do the beats. We 1:56:10.080 --> 1:56:12.560 still split everything down the middle, all the deals, we 1:56:12.680 --> 1:56:14.920 still fifty fifty. Even if he doesn't touch anything on 1:56:15.000 --> 1:56:17.320 the album, I still make sure that Google gets his half. 1:56:17.400 --> 1:56:19.800 You know, people he's are spread spread rumors of not 1:56:19.880 --> 1:56:22.360 even knowing like he was getting more than him. 1:56:22.360 --> 1:56:24.360 It's like no, everything was split down the middle still is. 1:56:24.680 --> 1:56:27.080 Initially Jay Rue was going to be called the dirty 1:56:27.160 --> 1:56:28.320 rotten scoundrel. 1:56:27.960 --> 1:56:30.920 And dirty scandal and the R and B group came out. 1:56:31.880 --> 1:56:39.320 They came out for somebody intro Okay, thank you? 1:56:40.600 --> 1:56:43.400 I mean was mad about that, like yo, that's why 1:56:43.480 --> 1:56:47.120 he said uh on the originally the original don't sing. 1:56:47.160 --> 1:56:50.920 No R N Bay he was doing a jab at them. 1:56:51.520 --> 1:56:54.200 But but with Rue, once we start doing once come 1:56:54.280 --> 1:56:57.400 clean popped off, I just wanted to attack it. Just 1:56:58.160 --> 1:57:01.440 just taking drums and stuff that I knew, what what 1:57:01.920 --> 1:57:04.400 would you know not really be used byody. Nobody's gonna 1:57:04.400 --> 1:57:06.720 take Billy Jean and then take that and just bumm 1:57:08.480 --> 1:57:11.080 and just trickling, you know, and roy A is less clear, 1:57:11.160 --> 1:57:15.400 the sample and the yeah, and you know, everything was 1:57:15.440 --> 1:57:18.320 just rolling. But it wasn't like everything's gonna be just 1:57:18.440 --> 1:57:21.320 break beats or taking you'll like it to or nothing 1:57:21.360 --> 1:57:23.800 like that. They just it was just so taboo though 1:57:23.800 --> 1:57:28.600 they were just coming. It's coming, man, I don't know. 1:57:30.680 --> 1:57:34.520 Again, it was it was so taboo that that at 1:57:34.560 --> 1:57:38.960 that point then I realized, like, oh, I feel like 1:57:39.080 --> 1:57:42.760 that was the first time I realized the value of flipping. 1:57:43.600 --> 1:57:43.960 Hmmm. 1:57:44.080 --> 1:57:46.720 Yeah, because then it's like because. 1:57:46.480 --> 1:57:49.680 When I when I love mental stamina, and I was like, damn, 1:57:49.840 --> 1:57:55.800 Like I never considered Billy Jean breakable, right right, you 1:57:55.880 --> 1:57:58.320 have to take the whole thing. I know there's isolated 1:57:58.360 --> 1:58:01.440 drums there, but he actually made it work. So now 1:58:01.640 --> 1:58:05.000 I gotta I gotta listen to all these records all 1:58:05.040 --> 1:58:10.440 over again and figure out how to recontextualize and make 1:58:10.480 --> 1:58:11.040 it breakable. 1:58:11.160 --> 1:58:14.720 My moment for that was the my unbreakable pre moment 1:58:14.880 --> 1:58:15.720 was when I heard. 1:58:17.160 --> 1:58:20.440 Ten Crack Commandments because I had that record, which I 1:58:20.480 --> 1:58:22.680 don't want to snitch, but yeah. 1:58:22.600 --> 1:58:25.320 Well Leslie Nilsen Nigga Gun. 1:58:26.200 --> 1:58:31.480 Yeah, I like that had Nigga Gun like that, but no, 1:58:31.600 --> 1:58:33.520 I had it, and so I used to just play 1:58:33.600 --> 1:58:37.440 that song original, no, no, yeah, yeah, the. 1:58:37.480 --> 1:58:42.920 Original because those are just program kicks and stands, and 1:58:43.040 --> 1:58:43.280 so I. 1:58:43.280 --> 1:58:45.680 Would just play that song like in the morning, getting 1:58:45.680 --> 1:58:48.160 ready for school whatever. And so then when Life after 1:58:48.240 --> 1:58:52.160 That came out and everybody was like, yo, joint, that's 1:58:52.160 --> 1:58:54.120 the one. That's the one. So you know, we get 1:58:54.200 --> 1:58:56.520 school and we're in the parking lot and my man 1:58:56.680 --> 1:58:58.960 is playing it and the joint comes off. 1:59:00.040 --> 1:59:04.920 Waiting for the rest, I'm like like, yo, that's remember. 1:59:04.920 --> 1:59:07.240 I'm not the only one. I'm like, I'm like no one. 1:59:07.200 --> 1:59:09.480 Else because the way that it's looping is the way 1:59:09.480 --> 1:59:11.280 I was scratching it. Because the drums were already were 1:59:11.360 --> 1:59:14.200 laid and we were doing a promo for Angie Martinez. 1:59:14.240 --> 1:59:16.160 It wasn't for us or we were just doing a 1:59:16.240 --> 1:59:17.040 promo for Angie. 1:59:17.120 --> 1:59:17.840 That was a throat. 1:59:18.760 --> 1:59:24.680 Yeah, listen, it's called Angie Martinez. Used to have a 1:59:25.160 --> 1:59:27.280 just when Angie was like the new hot thing, and 1:59:27.360 --> 1:59:29.760 she was, you know, brand new. Everybody loved Angie, so 1:59:29.920 --> 1:59:33.080 everybody was doing promos for it that were Dope Wu 1:59:33.160 --> 1:59:35.520 tang the Onyx, and they were just so incredible. So 1:59:36.080 --> 1:59:38.960 jay Rue was very popping at the time, and we 1:59:39.040 --> 1:59:41.160 said we're gonna do one because she loved Jr. Was 1:59:41.240 --> 1:59:44.440 damaged so because and so when we were doing it, 1:59:44.920 --> 1:59:48.600 she had a show called The Hot Five at nine. Yeah, 1:59:48.840 --> 1:59:53.600 that's why I'm only scratching nine. It goes one throe 1:59:54.320 --> 1:59:56.640 eight nine, nine o'clock. And then after that I was 1:59:56.680 --> 1:59:56.920 just going. 1:59:57.000 --> 2:00:02.280 One, two, three, four, fives back, three four five. 2:00:02.480 --> 2:00:05.360 I don't go past five until right before the verse 2:00:05.640 --> 2:00:08.640 one of two, three, five, seven, eight, nine, eight nine. 2:00:09.480 --> 2:00:11.240 It wasn't no ten, So that was. 2:00:12.720 --> 2:00:13.120 Martin. 2:00:14.320 --> 2:00:15.920 Yeah, it's called the Hot Five. 2:00:16.000 --> 2:00:18.160 I have the song Jesus Christ. All right, you're listening 2:00:18.160 --> 2:00:21.160 to some supreme. We're taking a quick break to. 2:00:21.200 --> 2:00:24.120 Paying bills and get into our final hour with special 2:00:24.200 --> 2:00:31.640 guests DJ Premiere right after this. All right, this is 2:00:31.720 --> 2:00:36.320 our final hour of fanning out with DJ Premier, who 2:00:36.520 --> 2:00:39.600 just revealed to us that some of his. 2:00:39.680 --> 2:00:42.120 Throwaways is some of the greatest things on ever. 2:00:42.400 --> 2:00:45.120 It seems to be a common theme on this show. Yeah, 2:00:45.400 --> 2:00:49.280 just now, I'm not I'm just gonna work on ship 2:00:49.360 --> 2:00:58.080 for two minutes. And god, I had a oh big question. 2:00:58.000 --> 2:00:58.520 Not to cut you. 2:00:58.680 --> 2:01:01.240 So when we did the High five and nine and 2:01:01.600 --> 2:01:04.960 it uh, And how I got to big is because 2:01:05.120 --> 2:01:07.960 Puff was on High ninety seven and that particular day 2:01:08.040 --> 2:01:10.720 she played the promo and I mean she had played 2:01:10.760 --> 2:01:12.680 in many other times, you know, because you mix them 2:01:12.720 --> 2:01:14.640 up and then you know, you still hear somebody else promo. 2:01:14.720 --> 2:01:18.240 A couple of weeks later, he heard that and my 2:01:18.360 --> 2:01:22.040 boy Danny was like, yo uh. He hit me on 2:01:22.120 --> 2:01:25.280 my beeper and was like, yo uh that telling Puff 2:01:25.360 --> 2:01:26.800 is telling you to call him on Hot ninety seven. 2:01:26.840 --> 2:01:29.720 I'm like, for real. He's like yeah, He's like he's 2:01:29.760 --> 2:01:31.800 like turning on and I turn it on and he's 2:01:31.840 --> 2:01:33.880 talking about other stuff and you know, now that deep 2:01:33.920 --> 2:01:36.600 into their interview and then finally he goes prem call me, 2:01:37.000 --> 2:01:39.680 and then I called and that's when when he said, 2:01:39.720 --> 2:01:42.480 yo big once that once that beat, and I was 2:01:42.520 --> 2:01:44.440 like all right, but you know now as Jay Rowe 2:01:44.520 --> 2:01:46.480 is he cool with and he's like yeah, and Jay 2:01:46.600 --> 2:01:47.480 was say, yo, that's hip hop. 2:01:47.520 --> 2:01:48.040 It's all good. 2:01:48.120 --> 2:01:50.120 And then I gave it the big so I just 2:01:50.280 --> 2:01:54.000 muted the it's the callient te Sinco Allen, whoever? 2:01:57.040 --> 2:01:57.200 You know? 2:01:58.200 --> 2:02:03.920 Was that two tracks of the sample because I tried 2:02:03.960 --> 2:02:07.240 to do it at once and can't. In other words, 2:02:10.920 --> 2:02:13.000 because you're using three tones to it. Did you do 2:02:13.120 --> 2:02:14.760 it on two tracks or straight one. 2:02:14.720 --> 2:02:16.840 Track one tracker? But then I put it in my 2:02:16.880 --> 2:02:20.160 sampler and just just made sure I had had a trigger, 2:02:20.240 --> 2:02:22.400 so so I scratched my none at that time. Yes, 2:02:23.000 --> 2:02:28.800 that's the one thing. One time I knew I wanted 2:02:28.840 --> 2:02:31.680 to because when you're doing a live, I was liking 2:02:31.720 --> 2:02:33.200 it so much that I was like, it has to 2:02:33.320 --> 2:02:35.800 sound just like that, And then I went on pro tools. 2:02:35.880 --> 2:02:38.320 Yet you know what I'm saying, I'm still still that's so, 2:02:40.040 --> 2:02:42.560 so I just made so what I do. I used 2:02:42.600 --> 2:02:45.520 to used to click. I still do this. I click 2:02:45.600 --> 2:02:49.360 in my head and just be like and and imagine 2:02:49.400 --> 2:02:51.280 it's the same tempo as the way I wanted to be. 2:02:51.840 --> 2:02:53.600 And then I just told that when you hit the 2:02:53.760 --> 2:02:58.280 record on the sampler, I could go and then yeah, 2:02:58.280 --> 2:03:01.880 I programmed that that way. It's so loose it's like 2:03:01.960 --> 2:03:05.040 I'm doing it by hand, which technically I am. 2:03:05.360 --> 2:03:08.760 Is it is it true that for Biggie, Is it 2:03:08.840 --> 2:03:10.200 true that it was his idea to put the r 2:03:10.280 --> 2:03:11.240 Kelly sample? Yeah? 2:03:12.160 --> 2:03:14.000 Yeah, he was on the way out and he's like, yo, 2:03:14.840 --> 2:03:16.920 put that unbelievable from Mark Kelly. I was like, yea, 2:03:16.960 --> 2:03:17.960 it might not be in tone. 2:03:18.400 --> 2:03:22.520 And I was about decision. I'm very key conscious, you know. 2:03:22.520 --> 2:03:23.960 I'm like, I know you, I'm sure you. 2:03:24.360 --> 2:03:27.240 I was running the decision behind men like it works. 2:03:27.480 --> 2:03:31.680 But oh my god, I always thought that was a woman. 2:03:36.000 --> 2:03:38.560 Calling, which is one of my favorite songs. 2:03:40.040 --> 2:03:46.280 Twelve at the time I had. 2:03:48.840 --> 2:03:50.360 Featuring our Collie Dogs. 2:03:50.400 --> 2:03:55.760 I was like, wow, okay, so can you confirm? Can 2:03:55.840 --> 2:03:57.520 you confirm that that's Patricia Russian? 2:03:59.040 --> 2:04:06.080 Unbelievable? Unbelieve No, okay, wait, wait, wait, wait wait, because 2:04:06.120 --> 2:04:07.720 are you? Are you confirm? 2:04:08.360 --> 2:04:11.920 Just snaps the stabs and I just pitched it. I 2:04:12.120 --> 2:04:15.840 was told that the I thought the stab was from U. 2:04:16.480 --> 2:04:17.160 Yeah, remind me. 2:04:17.880 --> 2:04:19.920 I thought, you'll excuse me, I'm just asked student question. 2:04:20.200 --> 2:04:22.080 I really thought stabs was just like a slang term, 2:04:22.120 --> 2:04:23.800 but that is a real technical term when it comes 2:04:23.840 --> 2:04:24.800 to like it's an. 2:04:26.480 --> 2:04:31.880 Okay, it's that much of an audio when the horns goes. 2:04:33.120 --> 2:04:33.800 The horn stab. 2:04:34.160 --> 2:04:35.800 Yeah that was that wasn't price Russian? 2:04:35.880 --> 2:04:38.080 No, back to square. 2:04:38.320 --> 2:04:40.760 You see, you know what you see if when I 2:04:40.840 --> 2:04:44.200 hit it as a RATTLETT has a little rattle. And 2:04:44.360 --> 2:04:46.680 so I back then, before I could play bass notes 2:04:46.720 --> 2:04:49.160 on a keyboard, I used to just pitch everything on 2:04:49.240 --> 2:04:51.280 the nine fifty. So so if it needs to be 2:04:51.720 --> 2:04:54.320 boom boom boom, I just boom boom boom boom boom 2:04:54.320 --> 2:04:56.720 boom boom boom, and just and just put them on 2:04:56.800 --> 2:04:59.080 the same output so that could cut them. So I 2:04:59.120 --> 2:05:01.680 was just gonna boom boom boom boom boom. 2:05:01.800 --> 2:05:06.600 Yeah, but no, but yeah, are you going to reveal 2:05:06.720 --> 2:05:07.640 what that staff is? 2:05:08.760 --> 2:05:10.800 Come by the studio. I'll load it up because I 2:05:10.840 --> 2:05:11.960 found the I found it. 2:05:13.040 --> 2:05:14.840 I found it. If you. 2:05:20.440 --> 2:05:24.680 Just tell us what it is, that's behind the scenes. 2:05:24.720 --> 2:05:29.320 But come by everything already when you load it up, 2:05:29.320 --> 2:05:30.920 it's automatically on the pads and everything. 2:05:32.120 --> 2:05:33.480 I'll even let you. I'll even let you. 2:05:33.600 --> 2:05:40.680 I'll film you even doing it yourself, and in peace 2:05:40.800 --> 2:05:41.000 is just. 2:05:42.480 --> 2:05:46.360 We know. But yeah, man, And. 2:05:46.440 --> 2:05:49.680 Even that looked like beach again because Peach came from 2:05:49.920 --> 2:05:52.320 Big On calling me going. I was like, Big, I 2:05:52.360 --> 2:05:53.880 don't have time to do a beat and he's like, yo, 2:05:53.960 --> 2:05:55.520 I just need this one for the bat side of 2:05:55.600 --> 2:05:58.040 my single Juicy. And I was like, I don't have time. 2:05:58.080 --> 2:05:59.360 He goes, man, you could do in peach. 2:05:59.400 --> 2:06:03.160 I don't care anything, and I said, okay, come by, 2:06:03.680 --> 2:06:10.480 came by, and because I remember I had remember the legion, Yeah. 2:06:10.360 --> 2:06:11.080 That was. 2:06:13.440 --> 2:06:15.320 He goes another world. I'm a big mother man, and 2:06:15.440 --> 2:06:16.960 I had to go on so it was gonna boom 2:06:17.000 --> 2:06:20.360 boom boom. I'm a big, I'm a I'm a big 2:06:20.840 --> 2:06:21.200 and big. 2:06:21.440 --> 2:06:22.920 I don't like that. And I was like, yo, it's 2:06:22.960 --> 2:06:25.760 dope because you're big and I'm a big. I'm a big. 2:06:27.800 --> 2:06:29.640 I'm a big, big, big, big big And he's like no. 2:06:30.320 --> 2:06:32.160 And then. 2:06:36.440 --> 2:06:38.560 And then that's why he came up with the YO 2:06:38.800 --> 2:06:42.240 user R Kelly. And then that's how Kelly got cool 2:06:42.480 --> 2:06:44.280 because Kelly loved the record because you know that we 2:06:44.360 --> 2:06:45.480 had to go through him to clear it. And then 2:06:45.560 --> 2:06:49.240 then then they started doing every day and you know, 2:06:49.360 --> 2:06:50.880 big just on everything. 2:06:51.000 --> 2:06:52.760 Then after that, that's dope. Man. 2:06:53.200 --> 2:06:57.520 He has any illmatic questions? Is there anything about your 2:06:57.560 --> 2:06:59.040 illment scusions that we don't know? 2:07:00.040 --> 2:07:01.560 Hmmm? Is there? 2:07:03.120 --> 2:07:08.360 Like I've been ready for ready to Die question, because 2:07:08.840 --> 2:07:12.000 the original version of you. 2:07:12.040 --> 2:07:13.360 Want to Be Hardcore? Yeah? 2:07:13.680 --> 2:07:19.120 Yeah, Why even though I like thet the version that's 2:07:19.160 --> 2:07:23.560 on it, why did you ever made it like that? 2:07:25.920 --> 2:07:26.160 Yeah? 2:07:26.560 --> 2:07:30.240 Wait, I guess what it's called. It's called I don't 2:07:30.360 --> 2:07:33.480 like this remix, That's what it's. I just gave it 2:07:33.560 --> 2:07:37.280 to I just he just asked me for it yesterday 2:07:37.440 --> 2:07:39.240 because he say he's coming next week to New York 2:07:39.280 --> 2:07:41.040 and he's like, anywhere I can get that cause he's 2:07:41.160 --> 2:07:44.160 only got a radio rip and it sounds horrible, and yeah, yeah, 2:07:44.600 --> 2:07:46.400 I'll give it to you. You know, I got the instrument. 2:07:46.440 --> 2:07:47.480 Why don't you like it? 2:07:47.760 --> 2:07:49.280 I just thought it could have been better. You know, 2:07:49.320 --> 2:07:52.600 it's big, you know, and I think everything I've done 2:07:52.640 --> 2:07:53.640 prior to that is better than. 2:07:53.960 --> 2:07:57.160 In that case. What three beat of yours? Are you? Like? 2:07:58.440 --> 2:08:01.880 That's like a stable to us? M hmm, Like I 2:08:01.960 --> 2:08:05.760 don't like Memory Lane? What NAS is like? Yo? 2:08:09.400 --> 2:08:11.600 NAS was making fun of the Reuben Wilson cover because 2:08:11.840 --> 2:08:16.640 look at this, dude, like, like you. 2:08:16.680 --> 2:08:18.120 Know what it sounds like. 2:08:18.240 --> 2:08:21.800 But this is the thing, all right, it's it's it's 2:08:21.840 --> 2:08:24.920 a synesthesia thing for me because it's like when I 2:08:25.040 --> 2:08:25.320 hear it. 2:08:25.600 --> 2:08:27.920 It feels like winter. It feels like. 2:08:29.520 --> 2:08:31.600 It's something about that loop that makes it feel like 2:08:31.680 --> 2:08:35.360 it's winter outside. Like there's certain loops that make you 2:08:35.560 --> 2:08:38.600 see some ship the same way that I saw that 2:08:38.800 --> 2:08:45.560 Funhouse on for Better, I see him sitting on a park. 2:08:47.280 --> 2:08:50.200 It's that's winter like. It's like, I don't know if 2:08:50.200 --> 2:08:52.720 it's yeah, but yeah. 2:08:52.800 --> 2:08:55.200 Well but for one with Memory Lane, I never liked 2:08:55.240 --> 2:08:57.600 it because I thought New York State. I wanted to 2:08:57.720 --> 2:09:01.120 just do New York State of Mind represents even represented. 2:09:01.960 --> 2:09:04.000 That's the remix. The one is on the album is 2:09:04.000 --> 2:09:04.440 a remix. 2:09:05.840 --> 2:09:06.040 Yeah. 2:09:06.360 --> 2:09:10.760 The original is some baseline jazz sample. I use I 2:09:10.840 --> 2:09:12.280 got the original version. I'll give that too. 2:09:12.440 --> 2:09:15.120 How did you switch at the last one? Represented? 2:09:15.160 --> 2:09:18.840 The first record we did period and uh and after 2:09:18.920 --> 2:09:23.560 I heard I was there at that session, Pete did 2:09:23.600 --> 2:09:24.920 all them scratched than one take. 2:09:25.000 --> 2:09:26.400 We were at that battery. 2:09:27.080 --> 2:09:30.440 Then Q Tip Medal met up with us and Pause 2:09:30.600 --> 2:09:33.840 mixed the Heath Brothers and brought the cassette to NODS 2:09:33.840 --> 2:09:38.160 because I was giving them ride to me that I 2:09:38.200 --> 2:09:42.440 saw Pause tape. I was there. I wasn't when he 2:09:42.480 --> 2:09:44.160 made it. Was that when he brought it to give 2:09:44.200 --> 2:09:45.920 to Nas because I was giving Nas a ride to 2:09:45.960 --> 2:09:48.800 meet up with Puff and I'm giving him a ride. 2:09:49.400 --> 2:09:51.320 And we met up with Tip and he gave the 2:09:51.360 --> 2:09:54.040 cassette and if you hear the cassette, it's going. 2:09:54.200 --> 2:09:59.600 Boom, man. 2:10:01.200 --> 2:10:03.240 So you're just like, what in the fuck is this 2:10:03.880 --> 2:10:05.560 because I didn't know what the Heath Brothers was at 2:10:05.600 --> 2:10:09.960 that time, and it's just like and it's going, you know, 2:10:10.160 --> 2:10:11.200 some of them are on, you. 2:10:11.240 --> 2:10:11.600 Know when you. 2:10:13.480 --> 2:10:16.280 Get four balls tight and then you'll be a little off. 2:10:16.760 --> 2:10:19.879 And no, I was like, yo, man, this is Jesus. 2:10:20.400 --> 2:10:23.000 Yeah. So I was like, yo, man, I gotta change 2:10:23.000 --> 2:10:24.160 his mind because New York state of mind. 2:10:24.160 --> 2:10:26.400 I was happy. I was like, this is what we 2:10:26.440 --> 2:10:29.360 suposed to make. I just like I said, I love. 2:10:29.200 --> 2:10:32.800 When the streets have something that that that that that 2:10:33.160 --> 2:10:35.840 feeds their their pain and anger and stuff, you know. 2:10:35.960 --> 2:10:38.320 So that's why I like it just as gutter as possible, 2:10:38.440 --> 2:10:41.680 so even even when it's melodic. But so with Memory Lane, 2:10:41.720 --> 2:10:44.280 I was just like when I was laughing at the cover, 2:10:45.360 --> 2:10:47.560 he was just like, yeah, he's like this, this dude 2:10:47.600 --> 2:10:50.960 looks funny. And then we heard that dude, he was like, Yo, 2:10:51.160 --> 2:10:51.440 that's it. 2:10:51.640 --> 2:10:51.880 That's it. 2:10:52.000 --> 2:10:54.880 I'm like, nah, that's too happy. He said, no, I 2:10:55.360 --> 2:10:58.080 hooked that up. I'm like, nah, I need some hard stuff. 2:10:58.400 --> 2:11:00.600 That's the thing though, like I feel like you be 2:11:00.680 --> 2:11:04.640 trying to match, especially like in Later. You gotta be 2:11:04.680 --> 2:11:05.360 as gun as them. 2:11:05.760 --> 2:11:09.000 But if you if you think about it, some of 2:11:09.040 --> 2:11:11.840 the most menacing sound in hip hop is when there's 2:11:11.880 --> 2:11:15.240 a contradiction. Yeah, there you go, so that beautiful loop 2:11:15.480 --> 2:11:19.240 over how he's delivering it. It works even when Shook One. 2:11:19.240 --> 2:11:21.800 I'bout to say Shook Ones yet because he and them 2:11:21.920 --> 2:11:25.480 they're not like I thought IRONX was the pinnacle of hardcore, 2:11:26.360 --> 2:11:28.240 and then they come with this like Robert de Niro 2:11:28.400 --> 2:11:31.440 deadpan ship and it stares the ship out of you. 2:11:32.360 --> 2:11:35.480 It works that way, man, like the beautiful ship works with. 2:11:35.800 --> 2:11:37.440 And I put the drums to it and he was like, 2:11:37.560 --> 2:11:39.520 that's it. But the one I heard him spit the 2:11:39.600 --> 2:11:43.360 I rap for listeners, I was like, wow, this is 2:11:43.440 --> 2:11:46.000 kind of cool, but I still was not crazy about it. 2:11:46.000 --> 2:11:49.480 Then once I heard the one love, I was like, 2:11:49.560 --> 2:11:52.600 I'm changing my represent and so I gave I gave 2:11:53.200 --> 2:11:54.760 the new remix and he's. 2:11:54.640 --> 2:11:57.360 Like, no, I go back. 2:11:58.800 --> 2:12:01.160 I just pushed and pushed him, push, like come on, please, 2:12:01.720 --> 2:12:04.080 like let's roll with this one. 2:12:04.160 --> 2:12:07.080 This is the one, this is the one. He was 2:12:07.160 --> 2:12:07.440 like no. 2:12:07.720 --> 2:12:10.760 He totally was like, no, okay, before we wrap up 2:12:11.520 --> 2:12:17.480 one more client, hoo, okay, your your whole process like. 2:12:18.360 --> 2:12:21.440 He for a reasonable doubt, reasonable doubt, he would just 2:12:21.520 --> 2:12:23.840 call me and go, yo, I got this song, and 2:12:23.920 --> 2:12:25.880 he would do the rhyme off of the phone and 2:12:26.080 --> 2:12:27.440 be like, yo, and I want you to do this. 2:12:27.640 --> 2:12:29.800 Dear god, I wonder, say me, I can't you know, 2:12:29.880 --> 2:12:31.760 I can't die. I can't die all that stuff. 2:12:32.160 --> 2:12:32.320 Man. 2:12:32.440 --> 2:12:33.840 I was like, all right, I'll meet you down there. 2:12:34.480 --> 2:12:35.280 He got there. 2:12:35.280 --> 2:12:38.960 I had He's like, that's it, goes in and does it, 2:12:39.880 --> 2:12:41.800 friend of foe. We I was just cause I make 2:12:41.840 --> 2:12:44.280 my beats on the spot. You know, I'm known for that, 2:12:44.360 --> 2:12:48.360 and that's how I've always that's always every time, every time. 2:12:48.520 --> 2:12:50.480 I never be like, yo, his ten beats, pick one. 2:12:51.040 --> 2:12:52.440 I sit there and make it right. 2:12:52.560 --> 2:12:52.720 There. 2:12:53.080 --> 2:12:55.040 Isn't that too much pressure when cats are watching you though, 2:12:55.520 --> 2:12:57.160 It's the only way I know. I thought, that's how 2:12:57.200 --> 2:12:57.840 you do ship. 2:12:57.960 --> 2:13:02.040 You know something, first time ever met you, you were 2:13:02.080 --> 2:13:05.480 making him czach like they don't know. Oh, man, I 2:13:05.600 --> 2:13:10.760 totally forgotten fucking we were with We were with the 2:13:10.840 --> 2:13:13.960 Beat Beat minus making a sound treatment. Remissed the. 2:13:15.560 --> 2:13:17.760 Yeah, right, we were. 2:13:17.880 --> 2:13:22.760 And then I kept hearing this bell going off and 2:13:22.880 --> 2:13:25.520 I was we were watching that ship. I totally forgot 2:13:25.640 --> 2:13:28.040 you were like making that right, he's on the spot. 2:13:28.200 --> 2:13:32.240 Yeah and oh the rewinded the nas madic Sean Nicholson, 2:13:32.280 --> 2:13:35.960 who did the Rebel Kings about all the Gangs videos. 2:13:37.080 --> 2:13:39.280 He was a guest on my radio show and he said, 2:13:39.760 --> 2:13:41.440 he said, yo, he said, I got a crazy story 2:13:41.520 --> 2:13:43.800 for you because, like you know, he said, we met before. 2:13:43.840 --> 2:13:45.280 I mean to tell you the story when we go 2:13:45.360 --> 2:13:47.960 on here and he said, yo, he said, you came 2:13:48.040 --> 2:13:52.600 in to give Nas the memory lane dat to let 2:13:52.680 --> 2:13:56.560 him hear the final mix at Chun King. He said, 2:13:56.640 --> 2:13:58.480 I was an intern there and he's said on the 2:13:58.560 --> 2:14:01.840 way out and uh. And they introduced me a z 2:14:02.080 --> 2:14:04.080 all that was there. They just don't likee and bits. 2:14:04.120 --> 2:14:04.720 They played it for me. 2:14:04.720 --> 2:14:07.320 I met Na's father. I watched father go in the 2:14:07.360 --> 2:14:09.680 booth and do the horn part in one take. Well, 2:14:09.720 --> 2:14:11.080 he did a couple of takes, but the one that 2:14:11.200 --> 2:14:13.680 he said this is the one that's the one that 2:14:13.760 --> 2:14:16.800 ended up on the album. But I remember he said, uh, 2:14:17.480 --> 2:14:19.280 he said on the way out, I said, don't forget 2:14:20.440 --> 2:14:23.400 when the phone, when the answer machine goes off, whatever 2:14:23.520 --> 2:14:25.400 you do say I chill. 2:14:25.760 --> 2:14:27.600 He goes, okay, God, and you. 2:14:27.640 --> 2:14:30.560 Know, but for him to be in turn and and 2:14:30.760 --> 2:14:32.440 he said, at that time, it was like, what is it? 2:14:33.200 --> 2:14:35.120 Because I said, no, matter what you do, that's what 2:14:35.120 --> 2:14:36.800 you guys say at the end of the phone of 2:14:36.880 --> 2:14:38.720 the phone message. And he said he got hard to 2:14:38.800 --> 2:14:41.520 earn and heard all right, chand plus starts it off 2:14:42.240 --> 2:14:46.360 and he's like, wow, that's what he was doing. Sh 2:14:47.080 --> 2:14:49.960 Shan Nicholson, which is a dope documentary. Yeah, I watched 2:14:50.000 --> 2:14:52.480 you never seen, never seen rebbel Kings. Check out rubble Kings. 2:14:52.600 --> 2:14:54.040 It's amazing documentary. 2:14:54.120 --> 2:14:55.760 Can I ask Christina agular question? 2:14:56.240 --> 2:14:59.360 Sure, I'm just saying, I just just, oh, George, do 2:14:59.400 --> 2:14:59.680 it now. 2:15:00.160 --> 2:15:01.480 I just need to know because I feel like you 2:15:01.520 --> 2:15:03.160 haven't done with so many R and B albums and 2:15:03.400 --> 2:15:06.200 the full thing like how that happened? Because I know 2:15:06.320 --> 2:15:09.280 she called you up first and what made you go, Yeah, 2:15:10.400 --> 2:15:11.080 well I was I was. 2:15:11.080 --> 2:15:11.640 A fan of her. 2:15:11.800 --> 2:15:13.440 You know, I wasn't a genie in a bottle. You 2:15:13.520 --> 2:15:13.760 know it was. 2:15:13.960 --> 2:15:16.440 It was a cute pop record and it is what 2:15:16.560 --> 2:15:20.320 it is. But when she did Beautiful, even she did 2:15:20.360 --> 2:15:22.240 Dirty with Redman, I was like, she got Redman in 2:15:22.280 --> 2:15:24.520 her video and even even though she had she was 2:15:24.920 --> 2:15:28.240 wearing the skippy chaps and showing up button everything, you know, 2:15:28.360 --> 2:15:30.080 I was just like, you know, it's a Darren. 2:15:29.920 --> 2:15:30.920 Little chick and everything. 2:15:31.000 --> 2:15:33.360 So when it came to them reaching out to me, uh, 2:15:34.600 --> 2:15:37.120 her ex husband Jordi got to get a lot of 2:15:37.160 --> 2:15:40.520 credit because he put her on the Group Home album 2:15:40.600 --> 2:15:42.800 and she was really into the Group Home album. So 2:15:42.880 --> 2:15:45.080 when I met her, she's like, I love the music 2:15:45.160 --> 2:15:47.800 in this Group Home album, the structure, everything, you know. 2:15:47.880 --> 2:15:49.840 I want something like this and that type of a 2:15:50.000 --> 2:15:53.760 vibe but using more jazz type samples or whatever. And 2:15:54.600 --> 2:15:57.600 back in the day, it was the first song we did. 2:15:59.120 --> 2:16:04.040 I love that song. I love that song. I love 2:16:04.160 --> 2:16:05.680 that She cut that in D and D. 2:16:05.840 --> 2:16:08.840 And she came to D and D first, and then uh, 2:16:09.400 --> 2:16:11.080 and I played it the beat because I was like, 2:16:11.160 --> 2:16:13.760 I gotta have something ready, So I got there a 2:16:13.800 --> 2:16:16.440 little early, cooked it up, did it, and then when 2:16:16.480 --> 2:16:18.080 she got there, she was like I like this one 2:16:18.120 --> 2:16:20.680 and and uh, then we went to record plant in 2:16:20.920 --> 2:16:23.600 l A and cut it there. Remember Madonna was in 2:16:23.720 --> 2:16:27.480 run room. Uh, Macy Gray was in another room. Then 2:16:27.520 --> 2:16:30.360 Biscuit was in another room, and Evan Nessen's was in 2:16:30.360 --> 2:16:35.640 another room. And remember cameras all outside because they had 2:16:35.640 --> 2:16:38.400 heard she was getting married and they're waiting to get 2:16:38.480 --> 2:16:40.640 pop Rozzi. So you know, I'm with her all the time. 2:16:40.920 --> 2:16:44.000 And I would even see pictures saying uh with such 2:16:44.040 --> 2:16:47.320 as then and bodyguard, and I'm like, I'm not the bodyguard. 2:16:48.320 --> 2:16:50.520 I got to the car to go grab something of 2:16:50.560 --> 2:16:53.280 the car, and they were like this Christine's bodyguard because 2:16:53.320 --> 2:16:54.760 you know, you know, I guess it's the way my 2:16:54.840 --> 2:16:57.640 statue or whatever. And I'm saying, like, little did they 2:16:57.720 --> 2:16:59.000 know I'm not gonna making the be But back in 2:16:59.040 --> 2:17:01.160 the day was the first one we did. She did 2:17:01.480 --> 2:17:04.199 karade of GUARDI big up to her. She she wrote 2:17:04.240 --> 2:17:05.960 that right on the spot. And she would sit there 2:17:06.000 --> 2:17:09.960 with her little dog, with her little chihuahuah and uh 2:17:10.120 --> 2:17:11.880 and and she would do it on the laptop boom. 2:17:12.200 --> 2:17:13.879 They would go in the room and just vibe together. 2:17:13.879 --> 2:17:17.039 Because Christina has to be involved with the structure and everything. 2:17:17.120 --> 2:17:20.039 She's real meticulous and she cut her vocal real quick. 2:17:20.320 --> 2:17:21.680 The shoutouts in that song are. 2:17:21.600 --> 2:17:23.760 Real, like, yeah, she said do your thing, she said 2:17:23.800 --> 2:17:24.240 do your thing. 2:17:29.320 --> 2:17:30.959 I'm skipping moment of truth. 2:17:31.160 --> 2:17:33.920 I know, I know, but I got it like in 2:17:34.040 --> 2:17:36.680 my mind, I'm like, I got five questions, but there's one. 2:17:37.360 --> 2:17:42.360 For the owners. No hats, dog, Yeah, you started this 2:17:42.720 --> 2:17:47.440 madness revolution. No high hat? Right? What made you even 2:17:47.680 --> 2:17:49.000 think to go there? Yeah? 2:17:49.040 --> 2:17:52.400 Because and did you kind because a person? 2:17:52.520 --> 2:17:53.280 No more high hat? 2:17:53.400 --> 2:17:53.440 No? 2:17:53.560 --> 2:17:56.800 Because in a review a guy said, premieer, you use 2:17:56.840 --> 2:17:58.280 the same high hat all the time, and I was 2:17:58.320 --> 2:18:02.160 offended by it, and I was I was offended by it. 2:18:02.480 --> 2:18:03.800 So I was like, you know what I'm not. It's 2:18:03.800 --> 2:18:05.879 the same thing when I start stop using jazz samples. 2:18:06.280 --> 2:18:08.760 I was like, because everybody keeps thinking saying there were 2:18:08.840 --> 2:18:11.480 jazz rapping. It's like, we're not rapping about jazz where, 2:18:11.840 --> 2:18:15.080 which is why gu always said I'll do the Jazzmatazz 2:18:15.120 --> 2:18:19.280 Project to protect gangs, to different this category because we're 2:18:19.360 --> 2:18:23.280 rapping about regular stuff. So I said, I'm gonna start 2:18:23.360 --> 2:18:26.520 using weird sounds to show that I am a versatile 2:18:26.640 --> 2:18:29.160 beat maker. So I did that on purpose because I 2:18:29.600 --> 2:18:32.359 couldn't take criticism at that time when somebody. 2:18:32.200 --> 2:18:35.640 Was saying it's weird because then everyone followed suit and just. 2:18:35.959 --> 2:18:40.880 Yeah, it's the same high every single record. And I 2:18:41.040 --> 2:18:43.959 was like, so that's why I started going all right now, 2:18:44.280 --> 2:18:46.600 you know, and that was before the Internet. But it's 2:18:46.640 --> 2:18:49.040 just like so I purposely did some spikes. 2:18:49.200 --> 2:18:51.600 But even with skills though, I remember when skills I had. 2:18:51.640 --> 2:18:54.520 I first heard that Tony touch it, played it and 2:18:54.959 --> 2:18:58.560 the rapper dubs never I was like, yo, like the 2:18:58.640 --> 2:19:01.720 fact those drums that was kind of it's not as. 2:19:01.600 --> 2:19:04.640 A regular point where you take it god like. And 2:19:04.720 --> 2:19:06.640 again I do that for people like yourself to get it, 2:19:06.720 --> 2:19:08.840 like I know, quest level get it. I remember when 2:19:09.040 --> 2:19:12.520 before we had already met there, but we got more 2:19:12.640 --> 2:19:15.720 cool when I started hanging with the Angelo because D'Angelo 2:19:15.959 --> 2:19:19.360 was just gotten signed to Crystalist. So because the rest 2:19:19.400 --> 2:19:22.000 of development was our first label mates outside of hip 2:19:22.040 --> 2:19:24.360 hop and then uh and then D'Angelo came. And I 2:19:24.400 --> 2:19:28.000 remember when Lindsey who was a and R there whose 2:19:28.040 --> 2:19:30.680 mother owned Sylvia's, and he was like, YO, tell me 2:19:30.760 --> 2:19:32.160 what you think of this guy from Virginia, And so 2:19:32.240 --> 2:19:32.480 when I. 2:19:32.520 --> 2:19:35.000 Heard it, I was like, Yo, this dude is dope. 2:19:35.160 --> 2:19:37.280 So we had to go on a lot of promo together. 2:19:37.280 --> 2:19:40.800 They had already signed them. They just saying that the legit. 2:19:40.920 --> 2:19:43.360 I'm like yeah to me and Danseelo got this super 2:19:43.440 --> 2:19:46.040 duper cool and then you he started used to always 2:19:46.080 --> 2:19:48.600 say he's getting with you, and he'd always be and 2:19:48.720 --> 2:19:51.360 we get with Jay Diller too, you know, God bless him. 2:19:51.400 --> 2:19:53.800 So I was asked the session when you were leaving, 2:19:54.000 --> 2:19:56.240 when I was about to do Devil' SPI, I would 2:19:56.280 --> 2:19:58.320 just you was on your way out from doing how 2:19:58.360 --> 2:20:01.040 does it feel? You would just laid all the drum 2:20:01.120 --> 2:20:02.560 pards and and he was like. 2:20:02.640 --> 2:20:04.160 Yo, I'm gonna be naked in the video. 2:20:04.240 --> 2:20:07.320 I'm like what, I'm not even thinking. He's like, yeah, 2:20:07.320 --> 2:20:09.720 I got a trainer. I train every day. 2:20:09.760 --> 2:20:10.080 He's got me. 2:20:10.120 --> 2:20:11.879 He's getting me in shape. He said, well, I'm gonna 2:20:11.879 --> 2:20:14.440 be cut And when that ship came out, I was like, damn, 2:20:14.520 --> 2:20:17.120 this motherfucker's ripped. And you know, you know he's on 2:20:17.160 --> 2:20:19.160 the regular shirt and he looked like. 2:20:20.200 --> 2:20:22.440 He cames up in the sea room literally cutting all 2:20:22.480 --> 2:20:25.520 these stuff for Devil's part, like to see it made. 2:20:26.680 --> 2:20:30.680 And me and Dyla are there like he's the reason 2:20:30.720 --> 2:20:33.600 why double trouble exists when things fall apart because they 2:20:33.640 --> 2:20:35.600 were all just like playing each other sit knock each 2:20:35.600 --> 2:20:39.200 other out, and I had nothing that I was like, 2:20:39.720 --> 2:20:42.600 I need a song, God damn, so don't show love 2:20:42.680 --> 2:20:43.199 my life. 2:20:45.720 --> 2:20:46.840 Use a lot of vocal samples. 2:20:47.920 --> 2:20:49.960 Do you have a like a book that was just 2:20:50.080 --> 2:20:52.200 like everything where you just have it all up here, 2:20:53.000 --> 2:20:54.920 like because you just seem to be able to find 2:20:54.959 --> 2:20:57.480 the most perfect vocal samples for every song. 2:20:57.400 --> 2:21:00.720 Based on either the rhyme or what the song is about, 2:21:00.840 --> 2:21:04.960 or the title any of those that it's stuff will 2:21:05.000 --> 2:21:06.560 just come to me going, oh so and so said that. 2:21:07.120 --> 2:21:09.560 And then sometimes it won't work. The drums from the 2:21:09.640 --> 2:21:13.880 sample might before you force you can hear the drums 2:21:13.879 --> 2:21:15.840 from the original sample come in and it won't fit. 2:21:16.160 --> 2:21:18.200 And sometimes and I called the other thing I called 2:21:18.360 --> 2:21:20.360 called force fiting, like, you know, let me see if 2:21:20.360 --> 2:21:22.480 I can force fit it, and if I can forcefit 2:21:22.920 --> 2:21:25.800 where it doesn't sound really messed up, like with Master Appeal, 2:21:25.840 --> 2:21:29.680 with with the Youngster's Remix, you can hear all the 2:21:32.120 --> 2:21:35.560 yeah and and it worked, and I just said, stand 2:21:35.600 --> 2:21:36.400 out ticket all. 2:21:36.560 --> 2:21:39.959 There's a block dedicated to every a cappella he ever 2:21:40.040 --> 2:21:43.120 cut in. His crew's a block really and it's not 2:21:43.200 --> 2:21:47.879 even called in this business of wow. 2:21:48.800 --> 2:21:52.600 I'm sorry you okay, okay, a Guru, So where were 2:21:52.640 --> 2:21:55.800 you when you found out he passed? And what was 2:21:56.800 --> 2:22:00.800 the what was the relationship between Guru and Solar like 2:22:01.040 --> 2:22:02.560 and you know that dynamic? 2:22:02.680 --> 2:22:05.080 Like what was that all about? Because it just looked weird, 2:22:05.560 --> 2:22:06.280 very very weird. 2:22:06.400 --> 2:22:08.680 I won't talk about him too much, but what I 2:22:09.120 --> 2:22:12.080 what I can say is just because he's not worthy 2:22:12.080 --> 2:22:17.520 of the energy. But but for one when he passed, 2:22:18.200 --> 2:22:20.120 I remember I had just seen him in the hospital, 2:22:20.240 --> 2:22:24.160 which I got to thank Guru's nephew and both of 2:22:24.200 --> 2:22:27.480 his nephews, Justin and Denzel. 2:22:27.600 --> 2:22:29.480 Denzel's his is his young nephew. 2:22:29.959 --> 2:22:32.320 Denzel is the one that's like, yo, I just went 2:22:32.400 --> 2:22:33.800 the song because then there was a list of people 2:22:33.840 --> 2:22:36.000 that couldn't come in there because the whole healthcare proxy 2:22:36.000 --> 2:22:36.560 and stuff. 2:22:36.360 --> 2:22:37.240 Assigned the old boy. 2:22:38.000 --> 2:22:40.360 So when when it came to I wasn't gonna go 2:22:40.360 --> 2:22:41.600 see him, I was just like, you know what, I 2:22:41.720 --> 2:22:43.320 just hope he pulls through. I hope he pulled through 2:22:43.320 --> 2:22:45.640 because I already spoken to his father and his father 2:22:45.800 --> 2:22:47.640 was keeping me up. I wasn't even on Twitter yet. 2:22:48.120 --> 2:22:50.880 Buster and q Tip were the ones that were on 2:22:51.280 --> 2:22:54.320 my behalf tweeting, Yo, just doctor prem that's not true. 2:22:54.320 --> 2:22:56.600 He's not you know, he didn't have a heart he didn't. 2:22:56.600 --> 2:22:57.520 He never had a heart attack. 2:22:57.680 --> 2:23:00.120 He had a cardiac arrest from an asthma attack, and 2:23:00.200 --> 2:23:03.280 he induced him into a coma to prevent him from dying. 2:23:03.800 --> 2:23:05.720 He just did not recover from that because you have 2:23:05.800 --> 2:23:10.280 to send signals to the brain to get your nerves cracking, 2:23:10.800 --> 2:23:13.720 and there was nothing but silence in the room every day. 2:23:14.160 --> 2:23:17.920 And and people that would they said, music, voices and 2:23:18.040 --> 2:23:20.080 things that he loves will trigger his brain to get them. 2:23:20.280 --> 2:23:21.240 He'll snap out of coma and. 2:23:21.280 --> 2:23:21.880 Go back to normal. 2:23:22.040 --> 2:23:24.520 He never woke up ever, so all that I'm up 2:23:24.560 --> 2:23:27.040 and to my fans that and that didn't happen. 2:23:27.360 --> 2:23:27.400 No. 2:23:27.760 --> 2:23:31.320 So uh So, when it came to going to the hospital, 2:23:32.160 --> 2:23:34.560 Denzel went because their family members and they were they 2:23:34.600 --> 2:23:37.840 were Ghru's father was able to override the the illegal 2:23:37.879 --> 2:23:40.080 people at the hospital because he got the power and 2:23:40.200 --> 2:23:42.360 you know, you know, he's Supreme Court judge and he 2:23:42.440 --> 2:23:44.280 got that to happen where they could go in. You know, 2:23:44.440 --> 2:23:47.800 So when Denzel went Denzel called me and was like, Yo, 2:23:48.280 --> 2:23:49.320 you need to go to the hospital. 2:23:49.360 --> 2:23:50.560 I'm like, dude, I'm not gonna get in. 2:23:50.959 --> 2:23:52.200 He goes, I don't care. 2:23:52.480 --> 2:23:53.200 There is a young kid. 2:23:53.360 --> 2:23:56.240 He's like, I don't care, but you need to be there. 2:23:56.320 --> 2:23:59.040 Out of anybody else. You need to go, and the 2:23:59.080 --> 2:24:01.400 way he said it, and I go, and I still 2:24:01.560 --> 2:24:03.760 was like, nah, I'm good man. I'm just gonna pray 2:24:04.080 --> 2:24:05.240 every day everything goes good. 2:24:05.280 --> 2:24:08.920 He goes, pream find a way. That's what he said, 2:24:09.120 --> 2:24:10.040 and the way he said it. 2:24:10.120 --> 2:24:13.840 I was like, all right, I'm going Monday and I 2:24:14.160 --> 2:24:16.320 can call two of my guys and said they two 2:24:16.360 --> 2:24:19.400 of my guys had already seen him through certain circumstances 2:24:19.640 --> 2:24:22.119 when they took justin up there, so being he got 2:24:22.200 --> 2:24:23.720 in there through the right bit, you know, he was 2:24:23.800 --> 2:24:25.480 allowed in and he got to see him, and he 2:24:25.600 --> 2:24:28.360 was telling me what he looked like and all that stuff. Now, 2:24:28.480 --> 2:24:30.680 they they came with me just in case, you know. 2:24:30.840 --> 2:24:32.880 So I was like, let's see if we can get 2:24:32.920 --> 2:24:36.000 in there. We got there, they stopped me and was like, yeah, 2:24:36.160 --> 2:24:37.720 can help me. And then they're like, where are you going? 2:24:37.959 --> 2:24:40.000 Because I was already told with room to sixty eight 2:24:40.240 --> 2:24:43.320 and I was like, uh to sixty eight and and 2:24:43.800 --> 2:24:47.200 Guru's father said, if they turn you down asked for 2:24:47.280 --> 2:24:50.920 a health care I mean a proxy advocate, they can't 2:24:50.959 --> 2:24:53.240 deny you and then they know you're on your ship. 2:24:54.000 --> 2:24:56.760 I said, until I asked for a proxy advocate, because 2:24:56.760 --> 2:24:59.200 the first day when I said, you know what room 2:24:59.280 --> 2:25:00.039 going to, they're looking. 2:24:59.879 --> 2:25:01.959 At listen, you can't go in and whatever. 2:25:02.560 --> 2:25:04.280 That's what the proxy advocate said. It's gonna be a 2:25:04.320 --> 2:25:06.119 half an hour to an hour. And I said, I'll wait. 2:25:06.760 --> 2:25:08.119 Waited, wait to wait, to wait to wait. 2:25:08.160 --> 2:25:10.600 It getting to the point where I'm getting restless. Where 2:25:10.600 --> 2:25:13.680 I want to go in it's not working. This dude, 2:25:13.840 --> 2:25:17.039 this black guy rolls in in a wheelchair and starts 2:25:17.200 --> 2:25:20.480 he starts cursing up the information desk. God, I want 2:25:20.520 --> 2:25:22.560 to see my doctor right now, and he's causing a 2:25:22.640 --> 2:25:25.039 ruckus where now no one's really kind of paying attention. 2:25:25.680 --> 2:25:29.120 I I go around Uh, I go around the back first, 2:25:29.240 --> 2:25:31.360 but because I'm like, maybe there's another way to get 2:25:31.400 --> 2:25:33.880 into the side. This dude's out there. He taking a 2:25:33.959 --> 2:25:36.039 lunch break. Black guy taking a lunch break. He works 2:25:36.080 --> 2:25:39.400 in the morgue and uh, of all places, gru's allowed. 2:25:39.560 --> 2:25:42.199 This is this before you pass. Dude's working in the morgue, 2:25:43.240 --> 2:25:45.480 sitting there and he's like uh. I was like, yo, man, 2:25:45.680 --> 2:25:47.360 you know who I am. And he's like yeah yeah, 2:25:47.720 --> 2:25:50.240 and he's like, anyway you can get me in, get 2:25:50.280 --> 2:25:50.440 me in. 2:25:50.560 --> 2:25:51.199 You know what he says. 2:25:51.760 --> 2:26:00.280 He says, if he liftsen to my demo, wow, wow, And. 2:26:00.440 --> 2:26:02.200 You know what I said, I will listen to you. 2:26:04.200 --> 2:26:05.840 I will listen to your owl. 2:26:06.480 --> 2:26:09.400 Just whatever you could do. He said, Well, you gotta 2:26:09.440 --> 2:26:11.040 be back in a certain aunt that he said, I'll 2:26:11.080 --> 2:26:12.800 be back, he said, but you had to give me 2:26:12.840 --> 2:26:15.920 a minute. Man, he would be broke out. When we waiting, 2:26:16.000 --> 2:26:18.840 we're like by trash, dumpster entrances and stuff, and and 2:26:18.959 --> 2:26:21.000 he's like he takes forever to come and now my 2:26:21.600 --> 2:26:24.040 my gut, which I always tell you you gotta go 2:26:24.080 --> 2:26:26.280 with your gut. I was like, man, this is to 2:26:26.360 --> 2:26:28.680 where I'm just gonna say forget it. But I'm not 2:26:28.760 --> 2:26:30.640 really a quitter type dude and give up. And I 2:26:30.760 --> 2:26:32.920 was just like, man, I gotta just do it my way. 2:26:33.800 --> 2:26:35.840 And he's taking too long. And I told I told 2:26:36.160 --> 2:26:37.960 Black was with me and my homie Eon, and I 2:26:38.080 --> 2:26:40.480 was like, yo, if the dude doesn't come about fifteen 2:26:40.560 --> 2:26:44.000 minutes after and I'm watching my clock hard. I'm gonna 2:26:44.240 --> 2:26:45.760 do it my way, and if that don't work, I'm out. 2:26:46.240 --> 2:26:47.720 Because they had already gone in to see him and 2:26:47.760 --> 2:26:49.760 they got by, you know, so that they's got to 2:26:49.800 --> 2:26:51.600 see him see him. This was he on the second 2:26:51.640 --> 2:26:54.000 time because he came to hold Justin down just case 2:26:54.000 --> 2:26:57.640 of these problems. So, uh, when when I go back in, 2:26:58.040 --> 2:27:00.800 they're doing construction on the bathroom and interest, so being 2:27:00.840 --> 2:27:02.880 at the construction in the bathroom was being worked on. 2:27:04.000 --> 2:27:04.360 You have to go. 2:27:05.000 --> 2:27:06.840 You have to pretty much be let in if you 2:27:06.920 --> 2:27:08.640 need to use the bathroom. Here's the hospital. They got 2:27:08.720 --> 2:27:10.560 it pretty much onto that. I was like, I really 2:27:10.600 --> 2:27:12.280 got to go to the bathroom and anywhere I can go. 2:27:12.400 --> 2:27:15.520 She goes, listen, you go around to the eleven, go 2:27:15.640 --> 2:27:16.760 all the way to the end of the hall. But 2:27:16.800 --> 2:27:19.199 I'm gonna be timing you to come back. And she said, 2:27:19.280 --> 2:27:20.640 so go to the bathroom. 2:27:20.680 --> 2:27:21.039 Come back. 2:27:21.680 --> 2:27:23.560 Right when I'm going to the bathroom. There's the gift shop, 2:27:23.720 --> 2:27:25.400 you know, you boy flyers all that stuff for people, 2:27:25.800 --> 2:27:27.000 and the elevators right there. 2:27:27.600 --> 2:27:29.160 As soon as I look at the elevator. 2:27:29.200 --> 2:27:33.160 I see it's going four three two, and I'm like, 2:27:33.280 --> 2:27:35.440 I gotta do this because they're so busy with that 2:27:35.520 --> 2:27:36.280 guy still yelling. 2:27:36.600 --> 2:27:38.760 Even after all that time I went outside to the dumps. 2:27:38.520 --> 2:27:40.680 And everything, that guy still I want to see my doctor, 2:27:40.800 --> 2:27:43.560 you know, he's still doing that boom. Next thing, you know, 2:27:44.200 --> 2:27:46.960 a family of like five or six people, big family, 2:27:47.120 --> 2:27:50.760 football player size, all come to the elevator and I'm like, 2:27:51.600 --> 2:27:55.600 you know, I duck behind the because the guys like 2:27:55.800 --> 2:27:58.600 for at least six five, and you know, the wife 2:27:58.720 --> 2:28:00.320 is a big girl and she's got like three or 2:28:00.360 --> 2:28:02.360 four kids and they're all kind of big. So I 2:28:02.480 --> 2:28:03.959 kind of go in with them, and he goes. 2:28:03.800 --> 2:28:05.320 With floor and I go too. He goes, oh, we're 2:28:05.360 --> 2:28:07.320 going to two. I was like, good because now they 2:28:07.360 --> 2:28:07.920 can block me. 2:28:08.600 --> 2:28:10.920 Soon we get on the floor. The nurse, you know, 2:28:10.959 --> 2:28:12.640 because it's still they think I'm going to the bathroom. 2:28:13.000 --> 2:28:15.560 Soon as we get on the floor, we go. I 2:28:15.680 --> 2:28:18.080 follow them, and I'm just thinking to sixty eight, two, 2:28:18.120 --> 2:28:18.640 sixty eight too. 2:28:18.680 --> 2:28:19.160 Sixty eight. 2:28:19.560 --> 2:28:21.800 The nurse comes up and gets up. She's like, excuse me, 2:28:21.879 --> 2:28:23.760 can I help you all yous? He goes, yeah, we're 2:28:23.760 --> 2:28:25.560 seeing such and such and such and such. 2:28:25.600 --> 2:28:28.199 And you go room no, but they said two sixty nine. 2:28:30.000 --> 2:28:33.520 She goes follow them. Yeah, yeah, so she. 2:28:33.680 --> 2:28:34.240 To sixty eight. 2:28:34.280 --> 2:28:37.320 Two sixty nine. She goes following me. So I'll let 2:28:37.400 --> 2:28:39.320 them walk in and I go and I back up 2:28:39.879 --> 2:28:42.000 and then slide in the in the room. And I 2:28:42.040 --> 2:28:44.240 had my mama the True CD and my Gang Star 2:28:44.400 --> 2:28:46.400 shirt and I went in there and you know, and 2:28:46.920 --> 2:28:48.480 pulled the cover down, and I wanted to see what 2:28:48.560 --> 2:28:50.520 he looked like if he's been kept, because you know, 2:28:50.560 --> 2:28:52.960 when you're in the hospital, either you pay them to 2:28:53.000 --> 2:28:55.280 clean your fingers, wash you up and all that, or 2:28:56.120 --> 2:28:59.000 you gotta do it. It wasn't I even asked, is 2:28:59.080 --> 2:29:01.000 he on the thing to be cleaned up? And they're like, 2:29:01.000 --> 2:29:03.040 you no family members gotta do it. 2:29:03.440 --> 2:29:05.520 So, you know, once I saw he was dirty, you know, 2:29:05.680 --> 2:29:08.879 nails all, you know, just just not clean all this stuff. 2:29:08.920 --> 2:29:11.520 I'm just like, and he's just laying there, his eyes open, 2:29:11.800 --> 2:29:15.680 but they're just because and he's on the uh the ventilator. Yes, 2:29:15.760 --> 2:29:18.600 I was doing ah, you know that, and you know, 2:29:18.680 --> 2:29:20.879 so that's going on, and he's just he's looking up 2:29:20.959 --> 2:29:24.760 like he's awake, you know, son, he's already brained it. 2:29:24.920 --> 2:29:29.040 And you know so because maybe it was almost three 2:29:29.160 --> 2:29:32.920 weeks after I seen him and uh, and so you know, 2:29:33.440 --> 2:29:35.119 I just it was just me and him. And it's 2:29:35.160 --> 2:29:37.000 crazy because me I talked to doctor Dre about this, 2:29:37.200 --> 2:29:40.280 like with the easy thing. It's almost like that same 2:29:40.440 --> 2:29:43.039 type of thing, man, because I just talked to him, 2:29:43.400 --> 2:29:44.960 put the shirt on him, saying, yo, you know what 2:29:45.080 --> 2:29:47.600 this is all about. You know, I'll forever rerap this. 2:29:48.200 --> 2:29:50.480 And and I wanted to put the CD under his uh, 2:29:51.400 --> 2:29:54.240 under his mattress, but then the nurse walks in and said, hey, 2:29:54.320 --> 2:29:56.440 you're not supposed to be in here. You gotta leave. 2:29:56.480 --> 2:29:58.960 And I said, man, listen, and I showed her the cover, like, look, 2:29:59.000 --> 2:30:00.960 this is us. This is the reason why I just 2:30:01.000 --> 2:30:02.320 wanted to come in and see him. She goes, look, 2:30:02.440 --> 2:30:05.360 got five minutes and she let me have my time, 2:30:05.800 --> 2:30:08.200 said what I had to dude, kissed him, walked out. 2:30:08.600 --> 2:30:11.760 Never saw him again until Static Selector called me like 2:30:11.879 --> 2:30:13.960 six in the morning and he's like, please don't say 2:30:14.000 --> 2:30:16.320 it's true, cause were already been getting Please don't say 2:30:16.320 --> 2:30:16.640 it's true. 2:30:16.640 --> 2:30:19.280 And it was false alarm. So this one when I 2:30:19.400 --> 2:30:22.520 called his sister and she was like I did. I 2:30:22.560 --> 2:30:23.720 could see hearing her voice like. 2:30:23.760 --> 2:30:27.080 Don't, don't, don't, don't say anything getting I can't confirm that, 2:30:27.400 --> 2:30:29.160 you know, because we were all in touch with each 2:30:29.200 --> 2:30:32.440 other now and she's just like, I can't get confirmed yet. 2:30:32.480 --> 2:30:33.920 Let me get back to you. I'm hearing the same thing, 2:30:33.959 --> 2:30:35.120 but I don't believe it, you know. 2:30:35.200 --> 2:30:36.400 And I was like, all right, I'm gonna just wait 2:30:36.440 --> 2:30:38.320 for you. And then then it got confirmed. 2:30:39.760 --> 2:30:43.840 Plus the great thing was his father, you know, was 2:30:43.879 --> 2:30:46.080 able to obtain the body, get it back to Boston, 2:30:46.400 --> 2:30:48.959 and he was like, he gave a funeral. Key was there, 2:30:50.040 --> 2:30:52.400 the whole Gangster foundation was there. All of us met 2:30:52.440 --> 2:30:54.600 up and came together, and he had a private funeral 2:30:54.680 --> 2:30:58.640 privately maybe good two three hundred people, maybe it was. Yeah, 2:30:58.720 --> 2:31:00.959 he had it on the campus. Marry two other people, 2:31:01.480 --> 2:31:03.760 the clocks in the elms. That's to both sides of 2:31:03.800 --> 2:31:06.840 the family. And his father called me and said, I'm 2:31:06.920 --> 2:31:09.800 running everything, and you know, Judge iling you listening. 2:31:09.920 --> 2:31:11.200 He's a stern dude. 2:31:11.200 --> 2:31:12.480 I knew him when I iced to stay at their 2:31:12.560 --> 2:31:15.080 house way when we were just on our first album 2:31:15.120 --> 2:31:17.720 before Stepping Arena. Staying at the Elim's house and all 2:31:17.760 --> 2:31:20.520 that stuff in Boston. So I've been around around and 2:31:20.840 --> 2:31:24.039 his father said, I need you and sugar with sugar Bear. 2:31:23.959 --> 2:31:26.640 Back in the day. He said, I need you and 2:31:26.760 --> 2:31:28.920 sugar Bear to speak, he said. 2:31:29.040 --> 2:31:31.279 He and when he brought us on stage to speak, 2:31:31.720 --> 2:31:34.120 the first thing he said is I don't care what 2:31:34.440 --> 2:31:38.560 my son went through ever. All I know is him 2:31:38.640 --> 2:31:41.400 and this man and sug was the best part of 2:31:41.480 --> 2:31:43.560 his career, he said. And that's why they're here, and 2:31:43.640 --> 2:31:45.760 I want them to speaking. And we spoke and I 2:31:45.879 --> 2:31:48.320 told crumb little jokes and had everybody laughing. You know, 2:31:48.440 --> 2:31:51.280 just crazy girl used to do, you know, because he's 2:31:51.280 --> 2:31:53.880 to steal my clothes. And since he's so small, since 2:31:53.920 --> 2:31:56.360 he so you know, he's real skinny, he's real skinny. 2:31:56.480 --> 2:31:59.080 So like you know, you know, I've seen him with 2:31:59.200 --> 2:32:02.640 no clothes. He a bony kids, but very well athletic, 2:32:02.720 --> 2:32:05.360 get built, six pack stomach, you got, you got got, 2:32:05.400 --> 2:32:07.680 he got the physique and everything. But he used to 2:32:07.840 --> 2:32:11.400 wear sweatpants, you know, the cotton ones. And then so 2:32:11.440 --> 2:32:13.440 you wouldn't see the sweatpants coming out the bottom, he 2:32:13.480 --> 2:32:16.039 would put rubber bands around the ankles so that they 2:32:16.080 --> 2:32:19.080 would stay stay held and he would put my pants on, 2:32:19.240 --> 2:32:20.400 so I've come back to the house and be like, 2:32:20.400 --> 2:32:23.360 where's all my pants at? And he'd come in later 2:32:23.440 --> 2:32:25.480 on from working stuff because he was a caseworker as well, 2:32:25.760 --> 2:32:27.640 and he's got my shoes on, my pants on, my 2:32:27.760 --> 2:32:30.160 jack and my shirt and then he would always go 2:32:30.680 --> 2:32:35.560 all Premiere ship, all premier shit, burn up man like 2:32:35.959 --> 2:32:39.200 like that became that became a that became a regular thing. 2:32:39.760 --> 2:32:42.440 That became a regular thing. But yeah, but as far 2:32:42.520 --> 2:32:46.040 as when they connected was close to when the owners 2:32:46.120 --> 2:32:49.120 happened shot the Black Jesus. Who really is where the 2:32:49.160 --> 2:32:51.440 connection came from? Because they were they were doing work 2:32:51.480 --> 2:32:54.840 together and uh things. You know what, we always saw 2:32:54.920 --> 2:32:57.600 the strangeness too, but we always ignored it. 2:32:57.720 --> 2:32:57.920 You know. 2:32:58.040 --> 2:32:58.560 It was just like. 2:33:00.480 --> 2:33:03.360 You know what we when Google did Ill Kid. 2:33:03.400 --> 2:33:06.720 And uh uh Ball had slip Project. 2:33:07.000 --> 2:33:09.640 He always had a string of producers that would do 2:33:09.720 --> 2:33:11.520 the do beasts for him, So we just figured he 2:33:11.640 --> 2:33:13.560 just another one of those guys. And then it just 2:33:13.640 --> 2:33:16.120 got to a point where as time built, I mean, 2:33:16.120 --> 2:33:20.800 you really noticed that the the us being around each 2:33:20.800 --> 2:33:22.720 other was very very minimal, you know what I'm saying. 2:33:23.440 --> 2:33:25.120 The same people that you pretty much saw all the 2:33:25.200 --> 2:33:28.840 time was around around us and we didn't travel with us, 2:33:28.879 --> 2:33:31.200 nothing like that except one time to Colorado. 2:33:31.400 --> 2:33:34.720 So the other the Owners was doing like so that 2:33:34.920 --> 2:33:37.920 was Owners was four three three three. 2:33:38.160 --> 2:33:41.360 On tour with taller Quality and Uh and yeah, Tyler 2:33:41.440 --> 2:33:47.360 quality Common. No, it was common Electric circus to and 2:33:47.480 --> 2:33:49.520 Uh and Quality opened up. And that's when Quality was 2:33:49.560 --> 2:33:51.800 bringing Kanye. We're like, why you keep bringing Kanye to 2:33:51.959 --> 2:33:53.640 the tour. He said, because he gave me my first 2:33:53.720 --> 2:33:55.840 hit record and he didn't charge me for it, So 2:33:56.080 --> 2:33:58.240 now I'm bringing him because he's in. And then Kanye 2:33:58.320 --> 2:34:02.360 told me that day, Yo, I'm about to start rapping. 2:34:02.440 --> 2:34:03.880 He said, I'm about to do an album and it's 2:34:03.920 --> 2:34:05.920 gonna be called College Dropout and he said premiere, it's 2:34:05.959 --> 2:34:08.920 gonna go double platinum. I was looking at him like, man, 2:34:09.000 --> 2:34:11.080 that's a cocky thing to say, but I ain't doubt it. 2:34:11.760 --> 2:34:13.760 I hope it up. I'm gonna be bigger than you want. 2:34:14.520 --> 2:34:18.280 And watch and man it happened. College Dropout just popped off. 2:34:18.360 --> 2:34:21.080 But yeah, we saw the strangeness and it was weird 2:34:21.120 --> 2:34:23.200 to all of us. So it ain't just us, it's 2:34:23.480 --> 2:34:26.680 everybody you know, And then you know even just the 2:34:26.959 --> 2:34:30.240 people's just spreading stupid stuff about like we were hating 2:34:30.320 --> 2:34:33.840 on the situation. It's like, no, everybody's grown men. Whatever 2:34:33.920 --> 2:34:35.560 you just said, you choose to do is what you 2:34:35.680 --> 2:34:38.040 choose to do. Just tell the truth as far as 2:34:38.120 --> 2:34:41.560 what's going on with with with the how you represent yourself. 2:34:41.600 --> 2:34:43.720 But as far as not like the gay rooms and 2:34:43.720 --> 2:34:44.920 all that, that part I didn't believe it. 2:34:45.040 --> 2:34:47.600 I never believe that that prot I wasn't worried about it. 2:34:47.840 --> 2:34:51.199 That was all just nonsense because everybody but I understood 2:34:51.240 --> 2:34:53.640 why people were like, well it's a weird relationship. But 2:34:54.400 --> 2:34:56.640 that part I never was like, well, damn, maybe changed. Nah, 2:34:56.720 --> 2:34:59.080 he was still Gool, just just in a different mental 2:34:59.120 --> 2:35:01.040 space where he that wasn't him. You know, the way 2:35:01.080 --> 2:35:03.240 he was looking, the way he was dressing. I know 2:35:03.440 --> 2:35:05.880 Goo when to get Goo had his own style. I 2:35:05.959 --> 2:35:08.960 started seeing the similarities and dress and everything. 2:35:08.959 --> 2:35:10.440 I was just like, this is not my dude. 2:35:10.760 --> 2:35:13.920 So even when people post certain pictures of him, I'm like, 2:35:14.080 --> 2:35:17.119 that's the that's afterwards. I don't acknowledge any of those 2:35:17.200 --> 2:35:18.560 pictures and none of that. 2:35:18.800 --> 2:35:20.920 By the time, by the time when when him and 2:35:20.959 --> 2:35:24.359 Solo working together, was Google getting clean at that time. 2:35:24.240 --> 2:35:26.200 I heard it. He was drink. 2:35:26.320 --> 2:35:28.360 He's gotten cleaner several times. And one of the first 2:35:28.400 --> 2:35:30.680 times he got clean, you can vouch for this was 2:35:30.680 --> 2:35:34.080 when we were in Seattle and he spassed out hard 2:35:34.600 --> 2:35:37.240 body on stage. It was the second time he did it, 2:35:37.240 --> 2:35:40.760 because the first time he was flipping, uh was Roode Yeah, 2:35:40.840 --> 2:35:44.920 Rhode Island, but the one that he filmed, and we 2:35:45.080 --> 2:35:47.640 showed Guru on the tour bus, this is how you 2:35:47.800 --> 2:35:50.520 look when you wild out. And he remember we kept 2:35:50.680 --> 2:35:52.760 we were all playing cards, and we used to play 2:35:52.800 --> 2:35:56.000 cards every day and be you know, pugging out, laughing, 2:35:56.080 --> 2:35:59.560 some people watching movies, almost playing video games. And Goos 2:35:59.600 --> 2:36:01.920 is still staring watching what he looks like on stage 2:36:01.959 --> 2:36:04.240 because he's never seen himself that wild and out on 2:36:04.400 --> 2:36:06.680 you know, in that And the next day he quit, 2:36:06.959 --> 2:36:09.680 he quit drinking, quit drinking, so he would he and 2:36:09.760 --> 2:36:11.920 he real laps, yeah, but he was still he still 2:36:12.040 --> 2:36:14.840 quit again again, then started back. He quit again. So 2:36:15.240 --> 2:36:17.240 when Kess is talking about yeah, yeah, we got him clean, 2:36:17.320 --> 2:36:19.440 it's like, no, we got him cleaning. We watched him 2:36:19.920 --> 2:36:22.360 watch that tape, you know what I'm saying, and he 2:36:22.440 --> 2:36:23.720 would not stop rewinding. 2:36:23.760 --> 2:36:24.800 And this is not DVD. 2:36:25.320 --> 2:36:27.040 This is like when you got to go you know, 2:36:27.959 --> 2:36:31.560 this ain't DVD era, And he kept over and over watching. 2:36:31.840 --> 2:36:34.520 He was wilding that day at that show. It's crazy, 2:36:34.680 --> 2:36:37.760 you know, shout out to uh Goldie. He got into 2:36:37.760 --> 2:36:40.200 a fight with Goldie. I had to break It's It's 2:36:40.240 --> 2:36:43.560 one of the craziest nights ever in Seattle. And anybody 2:36:43.600 --> 2:36:45.680 that was there even calm and will tell you that 2:36:45.840 --> 2:36:46.800 was a crazy night. 2:36:46.879 --> 2:36:48.119 And we got it all on tape. 2:36:48.440 --> 2:36:51.120 So that was the day and the next day is 2:36:51.240 --> 2:36:52.080 when he stopped drinking. 2:36:52.120 --> 2:36:53.160 From that day. 2:36:53.240 --> 2:36:56.120 That's why I was like, man, not they got him 2:36:56.240 --> 2:36:58.080 got him well? No, we got him well first. 2:36:58.160 --> 2:37:01.000 And that was why I was touring the owners. So 2:37:01.160 --> 2:37:04.000 by this relationship, y'all were still, but were. 2:37:03.840 --> 2:37:07.720 Still when we're rocking, because we always would have drama 2:37:07.760 --> 2:37:13.040 over some nonsense nonsense, never nothing like really really substantial nonsense. 2:37:13.360 --> 2:37:16.200 And even then it's like this is not worth it, 2:37:16.240 --> 2:37:17.920 you know, because I'm always it's not worth a god, 2:37:17.959 --> 2:37:18.760 because I don't want to. 2:37:19.040 --> 2:37:20.520 Fight and beat up my boys. 2:37:20.720 --> 2:37:22.840 That's my dude, and he's not he's not my size, 2:37:22.879 --> 2:37:25.440 he's not he'll he'll throw it, he throw down, he 2:37:25.920 --> 2:37:26.840 will knuckle. 2:37:26.600 --> 2:37:28.880 Up me and he doesn't care what size you are. 2:37:29.320 --> 2:37:32.040 But I don't want to fight him. That's my partner. 2:37:32.320 --> 2:37:34.800 But all the fights we've had, it's always went to love. 2:37:35.360 --> 2:37:37.680 I love you, my nigga, let's go and and that's 2:37:37.720 --> 2:37:38.200 his line. 2:37:38.520 --> 2:37:39.600 I love you man, I love you. 2:37:39.680 --> 2:37:41.920 You'll let's go out and we'll go out and celebrate, 2:37:42.360 --> 2:37:44.960 getting get drunk and come back. But now he's the 2:37:45.080 --> 2:37:46.520 happy drunk, he's the best. 2:37:47.800 --> 2:37:48.560 I'm the nicest. 2:37:48.720 --> 2:37:51.200 Oh no, no, no, that's what he's mad. And you're 2:37:51.280 --> 2:37:55.560 still not bad that they can't outrap me. But yeah, 2:37:55.640 --> 2:38:00.920 but but but yeah, it's like the thing that really 2:38:01.000 --> 2:38:03.160 touched me the most when his father said I need 2:38:03.320 --> 2:38:05.720 y'all there. I need the two of you there. If 2:38:05.800 --> 2:38:07.920 not anybody else, do you two, and that that was 2:38:07.959 --> 2:38:11.680 a big deal. Even when his father died, his father 2:38:11.760 --> 2:38:14.240 wanted to make it to his ninety first birthday or 2:38:14.240 --> 2:38:16.560 his ninetieth birthday. I think it was ninety first, could 2:38:16.600 --> 2:38:18.920 be one of the it's either ninety or ninety one. 2:38:19.320 --> 2:38:21.760 He was doing really bad just after grew had passed, 2:38:21.800 --> 2:38:23.560 and he said, if I can make it to my 2:38:23.640 --> 2:38:26.280 birthday party, Even the doctors told him no, don't do 2:38:26.440 --> 2:38:27.039 the party here? 2:38:27.320 --> 2:38:28.000 Really not well? 2:38:28.480 --> 2:38:30.360 He said no, if I can have this party, I'm 2:38:30.400 --> 2:38:34.080 ready to die, you know. And so the day he passed, 2:38:34.120 --> 2:38:36.680 I had to go to Switzerland to do Switzerland do 2:38:37.000 --> 2:38:39.680 a festival, and when he passed, they were having the 2:38:39.720 --> 2:38:42.360 service the following day and I asked his sister, Trisha, 2:38:42.400 --> 2:38:46.200 shout out to her. She's a soldier man, Trisha, I 2:38:46.240 --> 2:38:48.760 asked her, Hey, is it anyway I could go to 2:38:48.840 --> 2:38:50.840 the funeral home and go see your dad before I 2:38:50.959 --> 2:38:53.800 go to Europe, because I don't want to miss the funeral. 2:38:53.879 --> 2:38:55.560 But I really can't back out of the gig because 2:38:55.560 --> 2:38:57.480 I had already canceled one when I had my knee surgery. 2:38:57.720 --> 2:38:59.240 And I've never canceled a gig in my life. And 2:38:59.240 --> 2:39:00.720 they were letting you, I don't want to be one 2:39:00.920 --> 2:39:03.160 known for you know how I get my artists don't 2:39:03.200 --> 2:39:05.120 show up. They started to say, oh, yeah, do a 2:39:05.240 --> 2:39:07.520 video showing that you're here because we want to make sure. 2:39:07.600 --> 2:39:09.480 But I did all full video showing at my knee 2:39:09.520 --> 2:39:11.320 I just had surgery, and they said it was I 2:39:11.360 --> 2:39:13.480 could have a blood clot and had a heart attack 2:39:13.520 --> 2:39:16.040 on the plane because it was too close to my surgery. 2:39:16.400 --> 2:39:18.520 So when his father passed and they were having the 2:39:18.560 --> 2:39:21.280 service the next day, she said, I'll call on your 2:39:21.320 --> 2:39:22.800 path and tell him it's okay for you to go 2:39:22.840 --> 2:39:25.360 see him. She said, you and Shug, and uh. So 2:39:25.959 --> 2:39:28.520 I called Shug and I said, listen, my flight's the 2:39:28.600 --> 2:39:31.040 same day to go to Europe. I'll catch a quick 2:39:31.080 --> 2:39:34.040 shuttle to Boston see him and then fly back to 2:39:34.120 --> 2:39:35.640 New York and then get on the plane in Europe. 2:39:35.640 --> 2:39:38.000 And that's exactly what I did, and met Shug, showed me, 2:39:38.280 --> 2:39:40.160 pick me up at the airport. We got to the 2:39:40.240 --> 2:39:42.760 funeral home and they were like, hey, we got them 2:39:43.280 --> 2:39:45.959 to a point where you could see him when song. 2:39:46.280 --> 2:39:48.160 First thing I said was thank you so much for 2:39:48.240 --> 2:39:51.360 giving me your son. And you know, we just stood 2:39:51.400 --> 2:39:53.640 there for a while, just talked around him and you know, 2:39:53.959 --> 2:39:56.120 rubbed his hand, gave him a kiss, and then I 2:39:56.800 --> 2:40:00.080 went back and got on the plane, transferred to know 2:40:00.160 --> 2:40:02.840 the airline and went on the road. But I felt 2:40:02.879 --> 2:40:05.160 like I got that that was a certain part of 2:40:05.160 --> 2:40:07.720 closure I needed. That's why, you know, And again I 2:40:07.760 --> 2:40:09.880 wanted to thank him even in the even though he 2:40:09.959 --> 2:40:12.560 had sold it already left. I was like, I gotta 2:40:12.600 --> 2:40:13.119 touch him. 2:40:17.879 --> 2:40:23.840 Well, Primo, thank you for making our dreams come true. Yeah, 2:40:25.320 --> 2:40:27.720 but I mean just that it's just just a chance 2:40:27.800 --> 2:40:30.880 to fan out. I mean, there's definitely enough for it 2:40:31.240 --> 2:40:34.360 to Jesus Christ. Mean, get to the half of your 2:40:34.400 --> 2:40:39.320 production work and the breaks and shout out to the breakdown. 2:40:41.840 --> 2:40:43.760 Since I scored it all, I've seen them all. 2:40:43.840 --> 2:40:48.000 Well, thank you very much. Yes, I appreciate your work. 2:40:48.360 --> 2:40:49.840 Thank you, DJ Premiere, Lady. 2:40:49.800 --> 2:40:53.039 Thanks for having me. Everybody in enough respect to both 2:40:53.040 --> 2:40:55.280 of all all of the accomplished artists that I'm a 2:40:55.360 --> 2:40:57.440 fan of. You know, I'm a big fan of both 2:40:57.440 --> 2:41:00.480 of you. Quests you already know. And uh and we'll 2:41:00.480 --> 2:41:02.760 be able to work on records with this man like 2:41:02.840 --> 2:41:05.800 to oh my gosh, yeah and uh yeah man shout 2:41:05.840 --> 2:41:08.440 the Dan Charna's the seats man and all the casts 2:41:08.480 --> 2:41:16.880 man man Antoine Harris. Uh, it's so many Taylor too, 2:41:16.959 --> 2:41:20.040 She's she's good. Yes, yeah, all right, one love y'all. 2:41:20.120 --> 2:41:20.480 All right. 2:41:20.879 --> 2:41:24.600 This is a superstar group home produced by the Great 2:41:24.680 --> 2:41:27.280 DJ Premiere on Quest Love Supreme on Pandora. 2:41:27.360 --> 2:41:29.760 About that poring in the ghetto. 2:41:29.920 --> 2:41:33.200 It's hard to survive somehow, a chief that many from 2:41:33.240 --> 2:41:36.160 a shot, but I real biz, which life to choose? 2:41:36.520 --> 2:41:38.800 I want to make money, so I got a pad too. 2:41:39.120 --> 2:41:42.119 But there's no brutal and you only have one chance. 2:41:42.240 --> 2:41:43.720 If you use your face. 2:41:43.800 --> 2:41:46.680 The circumstance at night, I used to scream a shout 2:41:47.160 --> 2:41:49.720 living in the ghetto, trying to get the hell out. 2:41:49.959 --> 2:41:56.000 So watch my friends got I was superstar shout out. 2:41:56.040 --> 2:41:59.280 The cameo, uh dog. 2:41:59.760 --> 2:42:03.840 Now now now that we're in reflection time, there's so 2:42:03.920 --> 2:42:07.119 many questions that I forgot to ask him. 2:42:07.440 --> 2:42:12.120 Man, mostly samples. I man, the. 2:42:12.240 --> 2:42:17.760 Freaking unbelievable sample. Yeah, I hate him for that. Man, 2:42:17.800 --> 2:42:18.480 I'm gonna have to go. 2:42:18.760 --> 2:42:20.200 Yeah, I don't know what that. You just got to 2:42:20.240 --> 2:42:22.240 go go to the studio, find out what is, and 2:42:22.320 --> 2:42:24.000 report back to us. That's all I think. 2:42:24.160 --> 2:42:27.480 Even then he was like, he'll give me the stab, 2:42:27.600 --> 2:42:29.760 but just won't tell me what it is from which 2:42:29.840 --> 2:42:30.240 it came. 2:42:31.080 --> 2:42:32.320 He's so old school with it. 2:42:32.400 --> 2:42:34.320 I'm like said, he said. All the pads are laid 2:42:34.320 --> 2:42:36.560 out right there, so you just gotta go. You can 2:42:36.720 --> 2:42:38.360 find out what the sample is. I just want to 2:42:38.360 --> 2:42:39.880 go to sleep at night. I don't want to redo 2:42:40.000 --> 2:42:40.440 this song. 2:42:40.600 --> 2:42:42.320 I don't know. You don't have to redo the song. 2:42:42.480 --> 2:42:44.400 Just go and hit one pad in the next pad 2:42:44.400 --> 2:42:45.520 and then you're like, oh, by the third one, you 2:42:45.520 --> 2:42:46.360 should have it figured out. 2:42:49.040 --> 2:42:51.720 I still believe that it's you remind me, you remidy. 2:42:52.040 --> 2:42:53.879 If you think it's you remind me, I would say 2:42:53.920 --> 2:42:56.640 that you got to recreate it. Then if you can 2:42:56.680 --> 2:42:59.800 recreate it, off you remind me, then challenge. 2:43:00.800 --> 2:43:02.040 Yeah, tap on. 2:43:02.640 --> 2:43:04.400 But but you know he said it and you remind me, 2:43:04.480 --> 2:43:08.000 so was it well? You know right, yeah, this was 2:43:08.040 --> 2:43:10.080 on taken no loops, man, you know what I mean? 2:43:10.840 --> 2:43:13.480 But no, man, pre black Dog. He's so like just 2:43:13.560 --> 2:43:16.400 working with him, he does you saw them old school 2:43:16.440 --> 2:43:18.920 like he is very old school. He still very much 2:43:18.959 --> 2:43:22.920 operates like it's still in a good way, you know 2:43:22.959 --> 2:43:24.800 what I mean. Like it's just well, he's true. 2:43:24.920 --> 2:43:25.080 Man. 2:43:25.280 --> 2:43:27.080 I just realized something else. We forgot to talk about 2:43:27.600 --> 2:43:31.840 the Limp Biscuit record. Oh I forgot about the balls. Yeah, Like, 2:43:34.840 --> 2:43:36.960 I just hope he got paid very well for that, 2:43:37.080 --> 2:43:40.960 because to the front, it was too good. It was 2:43:41.000 --> 2:43:42.560 too good for Limp Biscuit. It should have been a 2:43:42.640 --> 2:43:43.640 Method Man solo record. 2:43:43.840 --> 2:43:46.520 We could. Man, we forgot, well not forgot, but uh 2:43:46.720 --> 2:43:48.360 we the Black Eyed Peas. 2:43:48.800 --> 2:43:55.040 Oh yeah, BP Empire and I forgot to ask him 2:43:55.040 --> 2:43:57.680 about in this business of rap. So we still haven't 2:43:57.680 --> 2:43:59.440 figured out what that what that sample is? 2:43:59.520 --> 2:43:59.960 What evers? 2:44:00.560 --> 2:44:04.920 I don't have like half the acapella's he does like 2:44:05.720 --> 2:44:10.440 and it's not like m P or like it's where 2:44:10.480 --> 2:44:11.640 are these records coming from? 2:44:11.720 --> 2:44:15.360 That? The copellas you know, one that's always also bugged me. 2:44:15.400 --> 2:44:17.480 It's it's not primo, but it's a high text The 2:44:17.600 --> 2:44:20.480 Sun God the Common record Common Sense in a. 2:44:20.480 --> 2:44:23.080 Ghetto in Chicago, Like that's too perfect for a common 2:44:24.040 --> 2:44:28.600 to perfect. Somebody made that one. Yeah, I don't know. 2:44:28.680 --> 2:44:31.080 I don't know that the one I know for the 2:44:31.200 --> 2:44:34.720 one he just did the record with God, the Dre 2:44:34.920 --> 2:44:37.199 record the Animals that on Compton. 2:44:38.200 --> 2:44:41.360 I listened to that album Animal Animals is the one. 2:44:41.440 --> 2:44:45.400 I'm with you. Animals is that one is dope? He chop. 2:44:46.480 --> 2:44:50.480 Okay, this is supreme, but nah, he chopped up some 2:44:51.360 --> 2:44:53.800 It's like some guy from Detroit, Like he samples a 2:44:53.840 --> 2:44:57.760 lot of like Indie twelve inch like Sandbox out of 2:44:57.840 --> 2:45:00.720 Man right right right, Like he does a lot of that. Well, 2:45:00.760 --> 2:45:02.640 I just want to know what his filing system is, 2:45:02.720 --> 2:45:04.480 Like he just listen. I don't believe that he's got 2:45:04.520 --> 2:45:06.480 it all in his head because it's like he has 2:45:06.560 --> 2:45:09.560 to take time to figure out loops, figure out drums, 2:45:09.959 --> 2:45:13.760 and now figure out a cappella's and practice scratching them shits. 2:45:14.879 --> 2:45:17.040 That's like four extra jobs. 2:45:17.320 --> 2:45:19.320 I think he I can believe it because Knife is 2:45:19.360 --> 2:45:20.920 like that to a degree, Like Knife will pull like 2:45:21.000 --> 2:45:23.800 vocal samples and stuff like you know, cut he would. 2:45:25.040 --> 2:45:27.600 I think sometimes it comes to them as they're making 2:45:27.680 --> 2:45:30.200 the beat and it's just kind of recall, you know 2:45:30.240 --> 2:45:31.520 what I mean, like this will sound good with that. 2:45:31.760 --> 2:45:35.800 So see if any memories of because you engineered for 2:45:36.040 --> 2:45:41.200 some of the people that don't know Sugar Steve was 2:45:41.520 --> 2:45:45.480 a full time engineer at Electric Ladies Studios during the 2:45:45.680 --> 2:45:50.040 time of d'angelo's Voodoo Album and some other things. Actually, 2:45:50.080 --> 2:45:53.200 you did two primo songs. You did you track uh 2:45:54.360 --> 2:45:56.560 for common Uh the Sun God one he was just 2:45:56.640 --> 2:45:57.080 talking about. 2:45:57.280 --> 2:46:02.000 I was for that. Oh that's right, high technology, that's right. 2:46:02.640 --> 2:46:04.560 By that point we were just you know, everything was 2:46:04.560 --> 2:46:06.640 getting done on Electric Lady. But you also for the 2:46:06.680 --> 2:46:10.120 Sixth Sense. Oh yeah, you were there for that, and 2:46:10.280 --> 2:46:11.560 you were there for Devil's Pie. 2:46:11.600 --> 2:46:14.560 I'm actually on the skit with you right after the 2:46:14.600 --> 2:46:15.680 sixth sense or right before it. 2:46:15.800 --> 2:46:22.439 Right before the Yeah, what is that you dis retrospect 2:46:22.480 --> 2:46:26.080 me like that? I was like going, I'm the worst 2:46:26.120 --> 2:46:30.080 at making skits. And of course I even said later, 2:46:30.240 --> 2:46:33.200 you know, someone called Prince Paul up to do these 2:46:33.200 --> 2:46:34.560 skits correct, because. 2:46:34.560 --> 2:46:36.680 You know, it was a last thing on my mind. 2:46:36.760 --> 2:46:40.080 But do you have any memories of a primo like well, yeah. 2:46:39.959 --> 2:46:44.720 The Devil's Pie sessions are very memorable because I had 2:46:44.800 --> 2:46:48.480 never seen anything like that, you know, being done by even. 2:46:48.560 --> 2:46:51.879 Remember a stack of record, like he had his stack 2:46:51.959 --> 2:46:54.320 of records, like it was at least one hundred deep, 2:46:55.120 --> 2:46:57.800 and he was just going through stuff. Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope, 2:46:57.840 --> 2:47:00.600 nope no. And after a while, like I after forty 2:47:00.640 --> 2:47:02.760 five minutes, and I just went into the break. 2:47:02.600 --> 2:47:05.560 Room and are you talking about for when he was 2:47:05.600 --> 2:47:08.920 putting the scratches on? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean yeah, 2:47:08.959 --> 2:47:11.920 he kept coming up with the slice. 2:47:11.560 --> 2:47:13.959 And the pie and yeah, you know, the whole trying 2:47:14.000 --> 2:47:14.480 to eat. 2:47:14.360 --> 2:47:19.160 And yeah, I've just never seen anything done like that, 2:47:19.720 --> 2:47:21.359 you know, by anybody. 2:47:21.600 --> 2:47:23.680 And then and we were doing on two inch, Yeah, 2:47:23.760 --> 2:47:24.200 we're doing on. 2:47:24.680 --> 2:47:25.400 So it was. 2:47:27.600 --> 2:47:32.240 Just the amount of precision. That that's when we realized. 2:47:32.320 --> 2:47:34.680 That's when I realized, like, oh, dude's not normal. 2:47:34.760 --> 2:47:37.240 He's really no, he's not. He's really not. And it 2:47:37.360 --> 2:47:43.600 sounds even though it sounds, uh simple, it's really hard 2:47:43.640 --> 2:47:44.119 to damn. 2:47:44.240 --> 2:47:47.000 Now I'm thinking of all these things now, I want 2:47:47.040 --> 2:47:49.560 to ask him why he uses deep snares instead of 2:47:49.640 --> 2:47:53.480 crack snaes with the exception of coming. 2:47:53.320 --> 2:47:57.560 For that ass which it was blindellity. Yeah, like that 2:47:57.840 --> 2:48:03.560 was a departure for him. But it's like next week anyway. 2:48:05.560 --> 2:48:06.680 Anything else we want to. 2:48:07.680 --> 2:48:11.200 Wish we could have asked them, man, I think we Well, 2:48:11.520 --> 2:48:15.320 I want to get into Uh so here's second album. 2:48:15.640 --> 2:48:18.720 Rath of the Math physical stamina. I did not like 2:48:18.800 --> 2:48:22.440 physical stamina. I appreciate physical stamina. Now you know what 2:48:22.560 --> 2:48:24.240 it is? You know, I don't. I didn't. I don't 2:48:24.280 --> 2:48:26.320 know what it is. But okay, so. 2:48:27.879 --> 2:48:32.240 You know when when I remember that album and Ladulph 2:48:32.440 --> 2:48:34.320 Half Life came out the same day and we were 2:48:34.360 --> 2:48:38.600 on tour together, uh like in ninety seven with uh 2:48:39.760 --> 2:48:43.600 Jay Rue and and and us, it didn't hit me 2:48:43.760 --> 2:48:46.039 like the first record, Nah, not at all. 2:48:46.520 --> 2:48:48.760 I'm not saying it was a bad record, but it 2:48:48.879 --> 2:48:52.199 tested my patience. It tested my patience. 2:48:52.240 --> 2:48:55.440 The moments on that record were like high because like 2:48:55.720 --> 2:49:02.000 like fucking invasion that frustrated and frustrated nigga, fucking Cowboys 2:49:02.040 --> 2:49:03.160 and I did with. 2:49:03.200 --> 2:49:07.600 Cowboys because of the disc and what do you call 2:49:07.640 --> 2:49:13.000 it was the other joint, the one fucking whatever? Well 2:49:13.040 --> 2:49:19.039 he redid the field, oh right right there? Yeah, Oh 2:49:19.280 --> 2:49:21.560 my god, man, that was the one. 2:49:21.640 --> 2:49:24.440 I was like, you know what I didn't like. I 2:49:24.480 --> 2:49:27.200 don't think I like what I felt. One Day was 2:49:27.720 --> 2:49:30.520 half cooked. I can Yeah. 2:49:31.560 --> 2:49:34.680 First of all, it was like an interlude and it 2:49:34.800 --> 2:49:38.040 was released as the first single. That was the first single, Yeah, 2:49:38.200 --> 2:49:44.400 dog like And that's back when like labels were sending 2:49:44.480 --> 2:49:46.000 you like by that point, I was in a few 2:49:46.080 --> 2:49:49.119 DJ pools, so it was like, you know, Sticker New 2:49:49.520 --> 2:49:51.279 ruled the damage to One Day. 2:49:51.640 --> 2:49:55.080 And you know, there was like like there was like 2:49:55.160 --> 2:49:57.160 bus sheets, tim sheets. 2:49:56.840 --> 2:49:59.440 On there with the DJs of the country like oh man, 2:49:59.480 --> 2:50:02.360 he's going home hard or you know, or Biggie and 2:50:02.720 --> 2:50:05.840 Foxy Brown and you know, and I got it and 2:50:05.920 --> 2:50:08.040 I played it and it was just like there was 2:50:08.120 --> 2:50:11.920 no hook, yeah, and it was kind of I felt 2:50:12.000 --> 2:50:15.320 it was very convenient how he just tiptoed around when 2:50:15.400 --> 2:50:19.160 hip hop got to the West Coast, and then it 2:50:19.240 --> 2:50:20.920 got to the West coast, I was like, hey, shiot 2:50:21.040 --> 2:50:23.000 night and I got playing ticket home. 2:50:22.920 --> 2:50:29.840 Man that that night one day? Yeah he did kind of. 2:50:30.000 --> 2:50:32.520 Yeah, damn that was I didn't was because the first 2:50:32.560 --> 2:50:35.039 one I heard was you're playing yourself, which well. 2:50:34.840 --> 2:50:37.240 Yeah, one day was like a white label preview, and 2:50:37.320 --> 2:50:40.720 then you're playing yourself came out, and damn I never 2:50:40.800 --> 2:50:41.480 got to ask him. 2:50:41.520 --> 2:50:44.040 What was Biggie's reaction to your playing yourself? 2:50:44.240 --> 2:50:44.440 Oh? 2:50:44.640 --> 2:50:44.800 Man? 2:50:46.040 --> 2:50:49.760 Because I mean obviously, I meant when you feel some 2:50:49.879 --> 2:50:57.640 sort of way, if absolutely like yeah, yeah, yeah, no 2:50:57.800 --> 2:51:01.960 for real, for real? Well, uh, what is your all right? 2:51:02.040 --> 2:51:02.600 Closing out? 2:51:02.720 --> 2:51:08.840 What is your bill? Boss bill? What is your Desert 2:51:08.920 --> 2:51:18.120 Island premiere album? Single? Song? Song? God? Can you come 2:51:18.200 --> 2:51:18.520 back to me? 2:51:19.480 --> 2:51:19.520 This? 2:51:19.920 --> 2:51:24.320 This is hard. Part of me wants to say mass appeal, 2:51:25.000 --> 2:51:30.600 but then there's all right, non single, non single? What 2:51:30.800 --> 2:51:31.120 is yeah? 2:51:31.400 --> 2:51:37.600 That island one song? It's all you get, non single, primo, 2:51:38.160 --> 2:51:46.879 non single, so Dodgs fuck never even to ship, So. 2:51:47.080 --> 2:51:50.840 So does that counter know? So non single? All right, 2:51:50.920 --> 2:51:55.920 non single? Give me whatever by Jay Rue, give me whatever, whatever, 2:51:56.040 --> 2:51:59.080 whatever you want to do. It's whatever. I gotta do 2:51:59.200 --> 2:52:02.959 my thing. I gotta oh, y'all cruise whatever. That's Phillips 2:52:03.000 --> 2:52:06.800 John Off the second j Robber, give me that, give 2:52:06.879 --> 2:52:11.160 me three? Okay three, give me that? Give me uh 2:52:13.000 --> 2:52:16.920 give me above the clouds? Was that a single? Technically 2:52:17.080 --> 2:52:18.480 was a B side, But I'll let you have it. Okay, 2:52:18.520 --> 2:52:25.119 give me above the clouds and give me man ship man. 2:52:25.240 --> 2:52:28.120 Give me X to the next to the next. Okay, 2:52:28.240 --> 2:52:28.880 that was a single. 2:52:29.320 --> 2:52:31.160 Damn it was a single. Fun it was a sing Okay, 2:52:31.360 --> 2:52:35.520 all right, non singles? Okay, give me uh hmm, give 2:52:35.760 --> 2:52:44.200 me take to him pass there you go. I'll take 2:52:44.240 --> 2:52:47.320 that well or behalf. 2:52:49.360 --> 2:52:52.240 I this show does not care about my reflections whatsoever. 2:52:53.160 --> 2:52:57.240 Yeah, that's that, Steve. Is this the second week? Yes, 2:52:58.160 --> 2:52:59.720 we got a minute left, give us a. 2:53:00.280 --> 2:53:02.400 I liked what he was saying about the labels on 2:53:02.480 --> 2:53:05.240 the records. They're hypnotizing their magic. I agree with them 2:53:05.280 --> 2:53:05.720 about all that. 2:53:05.920 --> 2:53:08.280 For me, it was Sole Records, the two circles, watching 2:53:08.320 --> 2:53:10.480 them around the circles. Yeah, that's a good one. 2:53:10.959 --> 2:53:13.480 I mean, I had the same experience growing up with 2:53:13.600 --> 2:53:20.440 the with the The Delight and street Wise and Bell Records. 2:53:20.480 --> 2:53:23.480 If you ever heard of them? Yeah, yeah, and now 2:53:23.560 --> 2:53:26.080 it's the Jazz Records, the ct I S and the 2:53:26.160 --> 2:53:30.520 e c ms. The labels are I think an underrated 2:53:30.560 --> 2:53:34.080 part of the record experience. And then his whole thing 2:53:34.120 --> 2:53:38.600 about about taking the turntables apart and really being in 2:53:38.720 --> 2:53:41.320 love with how turntables work. And then you know, just 2:53:41.440 --> 2:53:44.440 how something that that he was so enamored with when 2:53:44.480 --> 2:53:47.400 he was so little became his entire career and he 2:53:47.920 --> 2:53:49.600 you know, really took it to the next level and 2:53:49.640 --> 2:53:49.840 all that. 2:53:49.879 --> 2:53:55.280 That's just incredible single. No, it was. It was a video. 2:53:55.400 --> 2:54:00.600 Yeah, you know, it's weird and other reflection. 2:54:00.720 --> 2:54:03.720 I have I date it yo yo. 2:54:04.520 --> 2:54:09.920 Here in sideiffic, I dated the person to whom two 2:54:10.080 --> 2:54:11.560 Honey Buns was directated to. 2:54:12.560 --> 2:54:16.560 Yes, and it was kind of a Jay Rue versus 2:54:16.680 --> 2:54:26.160 a mirror movement. Also exclusive anyway anything else, Steve Nope? 2:54:27.560 --> 2:54:35.040 Well yah, Boss Bill Fontigelo, Thank you again, premiere. 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