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Speaker 1: Quest Love Supreme is a production of iHeartRadio. This classic

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Speaker 1: episode was produced by the team at Pandora.

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Speaker 2: What Up It's Unpaid Bill?

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Speaker 3: Check out this interview with Houston's very own DJ Miers

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Speaker 3: talks about how he got his name, Well, it's like

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Speaker 3: leave Texas to make it in New York City, and

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Speaker 3: how he found musical enlightenment. It's a QLs classic from

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Speaker 3: March twenty second, twenty seventeen.

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Speaker 4: Primo Suh Sun Supremo, Roll Call, Suprema Sun Sun Supremo,

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Speaker 4: Roll Call Suprema Sun Sun Supremo, Ro Call Suprima Sun

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Speaker 4: Sun Subpremo.

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Speaker 2: Ro Quest Love not Quest Rock.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, blob trot no stop, Yeah, no Court and vizots.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, Suprema Supremo.

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Speaker 2: Role Quante is here.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Check my sound shall niggas is folly straight up and down.

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Speaker 6: Upbre Supremo, Roll Call, Supremo Supremo roll Call.

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Speaker 2: I'm Sugar Steve.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I cannot lie. Yeah, I watched Primo. Yeah, make

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Speaker 7: Devil's Pie, Supremo.

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Speaker 4: Suck Supremo, roll Call, Supremo, Supremo.

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Speaker 2: Role Callous Phil is here. Yeah. You know my Steves

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Speaker 2: reuse my roll calls whenever I please.

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Speaker 6: Supreme Suprema roll call, Suprema Supremo roll call.

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Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, sitting yeah, motherfucking premiere. Yeah you know

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Speaker 2: my steed Supremo roll call.

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Speaker 8: My name is Supreme. Yeah, I am Suprema. Yeah I'm

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Speaker 8: on the roll call. Yeah, not a casino.

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Speaker 6: Suprema So Supreva roll call, Supremo Supremo, roll Suprema Son

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Speaker 6: So Supremeo, roll call Suprema Son Supremo roll call.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 8: I wouldn't expecting that to.

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Speaker 2: Hear me, is thish me.

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Speaker 5: Now we should have just SUPREMEO. I was thinking that

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Speaker 5: right as we started. That sound like Supreme Supreme take two.

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Speaker 2: Nah nah nah, ladies and gentlemen.

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Speaker 8: She looks mad because she didn't getting steezed, and he

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Speaker 8: just seeded, come.

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Speaker 9: On, very rarely happens if we'll hit the same one.

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Speaker 9: I mean, I had two of my lines get stolen son.

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Speaker 8: So I take her.

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Speaker 5: See now you know, because I figured one of them

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Speaker 5: Ransom is going to be part of that. Initially was

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Speaker 5: going to use the violin straight over and then I

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Speaker 5: was like, now let me go to the fucking robots. Well,

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Speaker 5: ladies and temen, if you have not guessed, uh, this

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Speaker 5: is going to be an instant fan out classic episode

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Speaker 5: of Questlove Supreme. Uh. Without further ado, we have one

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Speaker 5: of the greatest, most celebrated, most awesomest uh flag torch

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Speaker 5: bearing members of of hip hop culture with us today,

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Speaker 5: DJ Premier Ladier Jump. Okay, So I want to apologize

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Speaker 5: in advance for the massive amounts of fanning out that

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Speaker 5: we're going to do. I'm gonna try and keep the

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Speaker 5: inside speaking and exactly the rabbit hole.

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Speaker 2: Keep the rabbit hole now. Yeah, I won't go try

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Speaker 2: to fall rabbit holes to stay out of that something place.

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Speaker 8: And I have on a shirt that you you were

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Speaker 8: one of the first ones to tell you.

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Speaker 2: We're a fan of the n YGS.

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Speaker 8: Yes, yeah, so I remember a long time ago, You're like,

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Speaker 8: when are they coming out?

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Speaker 2: Yes, so they're about to come out.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, shot the pans and shot binos. So I'll make

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Speaker 8: sure I get you in advanced copy of it's coming

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Speaker 8: out to Yeah. Yeah, I'm mixing now. I produced the

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Speaker 8: whole thing and straight New York sounding gutter raw lyrics.

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Speaker 8: You know, from the perspective of the true adult streets.

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Speaker 10: You know, I would expecting relate to I see, Yeah,

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Speaker 10: my first time meeting you was at a New York

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Speaker 10: m I g show that Uh we were factory.

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Speaker 2: Factory.

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Speaker 10: Two thousand and two, we did an LB show and

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Speaker 10: it was as asked, my first time meeting you in Guru,

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Speaker 10: h rest in peace. We Uh we did a first

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Speaker 10: joint we did like our first little showcase. It was

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Speaker 11: And uh Frank supposed to Frank they were doing, uh,

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Speaker 11: they were doing take them clothes off, but it was

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Speaker 8: And I was like, I remember that that was the

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Speaker 2: They moved, they moved to.

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Speaker 8: Williamsburg and I met bringing back upstairs.

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Speaker 2: I was like, yo, it was a friend. I was like, man,

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Speaker 2: what's up? His first thing to me? Yo? Yo? So

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Speaker 2: I only did two records in my life. You know

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Speaker 2: what I'm saying.

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Speaker 10: I did two records, did two records in my life,

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Speaker 10: and Guru was there and it was crazy, Like god,

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Speaker 10: it was long ago.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So what I always wanted to know, I mean,

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Speaker 2: you're so New York.

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Speaker 5: And Gang Star was such the consummate New York group,

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Speaker 5: Yet you guys didn't start from New York City.

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Speaker 8: He started from Boston and I started from Texas. For me,

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Speaker 8: it was my mom is an art teacher and she

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Speaker 8: just had so many records in the house. You know,

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Speaker 8: the rules were, don't touch the top of the record,

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Speaker 8: call it a whooping, not a spanking, a whooping. I

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Speaker 8: touched the top because I just wanted to see what

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Speaker 8: is touch on the top? Do? She goes you got

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Speaker 8: your fingerprints on your dumb motherfuckers like and then I

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Speaker 8: mean I got plenty of whippings because you know, I

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Speaker 8: looked at records as a toy, because the labels was

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Speaker 8: what attracted me. The way they looked when they spun.

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Speaker 8: I was really attracted to the labels. You know, it's like, wow, Motown,

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Speaker 8: the way it looked in tamlawn versus.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, like the blue versus the yellow in the yellow

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Speaker 5: Harry Winer once at Universal explained to me that because

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Speaker 5: Motown used eighteen different factories across the United States to

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Speaker 5: you would have some Motown print that had a very

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Speaker 5: But sometimes even the Tamala would be a very dark

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Speaker 5: It would depend on you know what pressing plant used.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, but the labels always fascinated me, just the way

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Speaker 8: it look when it's fun. And then on top of that,

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Speaker 8: that time my mother called it a record player and

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Speaker 2: I'm like, how does it know to land there? Like?

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Speaker 2: You know, so I took her.

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Speaker 8: Apart, which got me. That gets you because I wanted

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Speaker 8: to see the mechanics of what's making it do that

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Speaker 8: and you know where to land. And then on top

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Speaker 8: how does it no go here on the forty five?

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Speaker 8: Goes all the way Insigne lands right on the dank.

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Speaker 2: I was in the juke boxes too.

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Speaker 8: I would just stay at the jukebox because almost any

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Speaker 8: then you know, like that, that's why he's like happy

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Speaker 8: Days because I don't.

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Speaker 2: I do not feel happy Days. Would you?

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Speaker 5: Would you rotate records without even listening to it, just

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Speaker 5: see what it looked like? Were you biased against labels

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Speaker 5: that you didn't like copy wise, even if it had

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Speaker 5: good music?

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Speaker 2: How did you judge it on the label?

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Speaker 8: The judges on the label like I do now Like

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Speaker 8: I never like Capital, so.

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Speaker 2: It took me a long time, like especially old.

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Speaker 8: Purple Orange like Nat King cole Cat with a rainbow around.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, that's why I never touched my dad's Capital record

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Speaker 5: right wrong to get in the Beatles and beach boys

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Speaker 5: like you the best label? Who was the like the

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Speaker 5: one I used? Like scary labels used to scare me.

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Speaker 2: I never like Buddha, yeah, with the little man at

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Speaker 5: But here's the thing you like Kurt Time. Yeah, I scared, literally,

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Speaker 5: I would never to listen to if there's hell below,

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Speaker 5: We're all gonna go with all that psychedelic echo effect

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Speaker 5: watching that Kurt Time label and nah, but I'd be

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Speaker 2: Then I run upstairs and hide on the cover.

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Speaker 8: I hit under the covers when Jaws came out because

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Speaker 8: I thought the shot could come in and I'm like,

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Speaker 8: and if you think about the shot, can't swim without water.

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Speaker 8: But I just remember going to see Jaws with my

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Speaker 8: staying by myself, you know, my my parents let us

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Speaker 8: like I'm from that, Like, hey, your thatt home, it's

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Speaker 8: not you know, unchained five. I learned that when I

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Speaker 8: same thing. They had all these like all these locks

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Speaker 2: Like, damn, you know, what's the you know.

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Speaker 8: But then you see the corner store right outside the

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Speaker 2: Like, oh, I want to go back to Texas.

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Speaker 12: You know.

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Speaker 8: And then you get to the teenage age where it's like.

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Speaker 2: Yo, I love all this violence stuff, you know, And

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Speaker 2: that's when the changes started. The change started to come.

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Speaker 2: Your father, your father, he was a professor at Prairier Review. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: and he was my dean.

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Speaker 8: Imagine that.

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Speaker 2: So you went for free?

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Speaker 11: No?

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Speaker 2: What? Well? I mean yeah, he paid for it. What

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Speaker 2: was your major?

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Speaker 8: Computer science? But none of those languages exist, you know.

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Speaker 8: I took for tran and basic.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Now you can't get your receipt back.

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Speaker 5: So wait, if if the if the turntable was such

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Speaker 5: a sacred holy ground in your household? What happened the

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Speaker 5: very first time you ever heard the Adventures of Grand

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Speaker 5: Master Flash on the Wheels are still? Did you hear

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Speaker 5: it as a youngster in in Texas?

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Speaker 2: No, I was.

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Speaker 8: I was going back and forth. Yeah, but I was

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Speaker 8: going back and forth because my grandfather.

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Speaker 2: Lived in Brooklyn.

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Speaker 8: That's how the first Brooklyn connection happened because he still

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Speaker 8: and I used to always go to a I was

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Speaker 8: really in the in the pinball games heavy as a kid,

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Speaker 8: so he's always take me to Playland and Tom Square and.

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Speaker 2: Then we always go to a Yankee game.

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Speaker 8: So I was so used to going to baseball games

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Speaker 8: But only when he was doing the gigs at his whole,

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Speaker 5: But most Philly DJs that I've known always have the

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Speaker 2: How do you know that?

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Speaker 8: That's why that's why he's part of the breaks.

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Speaker 13: Now.

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Speaker 8: I can't use that one, you know. But he was

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Speaker 8: And I was like, well, let me, let me get

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Speaker 8: Every Christ we still go over the house and go

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Speaker 10: So you started out DJing and doing mas, wast Masters,

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Speaker 8: Nothing to cut. Yeah, you know, I straight, I straight

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Speaker 2: Central man?

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Speaker 8: So I called when I said, when my mom said premiere,

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Speaker 10: I love it and talk about Stu Man because I've

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Speaker 10: you know, Diamond don't want to make a picture as

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Speaker 10: Wild all that. Like what was he like as a

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Speaker 8: Even when when we met my first manager, Patrick Moxy,

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Speaker 8: First thing we do is get you off that small label.

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Speaker 8: And I looked at him like you're about to ruin

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Speaker 2: And like I said, it was a husband and wife label.

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Speaker 8: Guru's the one that hurt that used to go through

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Speaker 2: What was your demo? At the time. So I was

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Speaker 8: We were called mcson Control, you know m I C

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Speaker 8: Sugar Pop.

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Speaker 2: No Sugar.

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Speaker 8: If they all all from South Dallas, shot to Old

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Speaker 8: my shoulder. We still call each other like it's a

441
00:22:09,359 --> 00:22:11,680
Speaker 8: regular thing. They're not mad that I took off and

442
00:22:11,920 --> 00:22:14,359
Speaker 8: and continued because they couldn't really afford to come to

443
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,919
Speaker 8: New York. Uh Me and top with were in New

444
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:20,120
Speaker 8: York shopping the demos. Uh I got a credit Carlos

445
00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:22,840
Speaker 8: Garza because he's the one that got me a job

446
00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:26,200
Speaker 8: at at a Sound Waves record store, which was the

447
00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:29,520
Speaker 8: store in the hood in Houston to go to. If

448
00:22:29,560 --> 00:22:31,119
Speaker 8: you and the if you're from the streets and you

449
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,200
Speaker 8: want to get anything, you gotta come to Sound Waste.

450
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:36,040
Speaker 8: All the all the players and the pimps used to

451
00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:38,000
Speaker 8: come in there with the furs and and this is

452
00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:42,280
Speaker 8: the hot Texas with gators on and everything. Hey, everybody

453
00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:50,440
Speaker 8: got some of that laddim mo and and plus we

454
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:52,440
Speaker 8: sold zyder call music. A lot of people don't know

455
00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 8: what yer Communica. That's huge down in Texas, and so

456
00:22:58,240 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 8: you know, and you have to know your music. So

457
00:23:00,600 --> 00:23:01,639
Speaker 8: it so what it was.

458
00:23:02,440 --> 00:23:03,760
Speaker 2: Uh, this is how I got the job.

459
00:23:03,960 --> 00:23:07,520
Speaker 8: I actually used to The price tags were easy to

460
00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 8: peel off, and they had like three ninety nine or

461
00:23:09,800 --> 00:23:11,920
Speaker 8: twelve inch so we were putting the one ninety nine

462
00:23:12,000 --> 00:23:14,639
Speaker 8: ones on and Carlos saw me doing it, but he

463
00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 8: didn't confront me because I was with Top and Top

464
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:17,800
Speaker 8: was a very cocky dude.

465
00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:17,959
Speaker 2: Yo.

466
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,120
Speaker 8: Yeah, fuck all that men. You know, it ain't nobody

467
00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:20,920
Speaker 8: gonna be too.

468
00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:21,560
Speaker 2: Front on us. You know.

469
00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:22,680
Speaker 8: That's how he That's how top.

470
00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:23,400
Speaker 2: It is years.

471
00:23:23,960 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 8: This is probably like eighty for this, eighty four eighty five.

472
00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

473
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 8: So uh so when we get to the counter and

474
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,359
Speaker 8: I got a stack of twelve inches, Carlos is the

475
00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:35,320
Speaker 8: one that puts the prices on it because he's the

476
00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 8: twelve inch buyer from the warehouse. He's the one that says, hey,

477
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,400
Speaker 8: give me ten tone looks give me ten Reli Vanilli's girl.

478
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,639
Speaker 8: You know, it's true stuff like that. So when he

479
00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:46,760
Speaker 8: saw what I what I was buying, He's like, dude,

480
00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:50,160
Speaker 8: these prices are wrong, and you know me, I'm acting tough. Yo, man,

481
00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 8: it's a dug night. No, that's what I'm paying there.

482
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:53,840
Speaker 2: But there are three ninety nine.

483
00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,879
Speaker 8: I'm the one that priced those. I'm like, well, whatever's

484
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 8: on there is what I'm paying for it. If you're

485
00:23:58,320 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 8: gonna fit change the price, you're gonna put it on.

486
00:23:59,840 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 8: Next time I bought a record, you know, I was

487
00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,920
Speaker 8: like you. I was like you and thats Shane, you know.

488
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:10,680
Speaker 8: So so from there, I came back in the store

489
00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,159
Speaker 8: and you know, maybe a couple of weeks later, and

490
00:24:12,280 --> 00:24:14,000
Speaker 8: he was just like, yo, man, yeah, I saw what

491
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 8: you bought. You know, you have you picked a lot

492
00:24:16,600 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 8: of hot records that I just got in you know

493
00:24:18,840 --> 00:24:20,159
Speaker 8: how you know all that stuff. And I'm like, well,

494
00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:21,879
Speaker 8: I'm moving to New York. I'm from here, and you

495
00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:24,080
Speaker 8: know I'm gonna I'm gonna work on getting a record deal.

496
00:24:24,600 --> 00:24:25,960
Speaker 2: He's like, yo, you want a job here.

497
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 8: I was like yeah. And then I met met with

498
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,960
Speaker 8: their owners and everybody. They gave me a job, and

499
00:24:32,280 --> 00:24:34,879
Speaker 8: from there, me and Carlos are the tightest friends. That's

500
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:36,880
Speaker 8: how I ended up meeting an odd squad with Devin

501
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:40,600
Speaker 8: the Dude, and and and uh all you know, all

502
00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,360
Speaker 8: of us got got cool. That's I mean, I met

503
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:45,440
Speaker 8: scar Face, I met Willie d So we go way back,

504
00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,639
Speaker 8: way back before the deal. And then from there, uh,

505
00:24:49,800 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 8: the billboard that just started having a rap category in

506
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:55,400
Speaker 8: Billboard magazine, a rap chart.

507
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:57,520
Speaker 2: So Carlos became.

508
00:24:57,440 --> 00:25:01,320
Speaker 8: The billboard reporter for Houston, for the South, and then

509
00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:03,560
Speaker 8: they needed They said, do you want to be the

510
00:25:03,600 --> 00:25:05,639
Speaker 8: twelve inch Biers? So now I took over as a

511
00:25:05,680 --> 00:25:07,680
Speaker 8: twelve inch biers. So I'll call south by South I

512
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 8: mean I mean Southwest Wholesale and say, hey, I need

513
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,040
Speaker 8: you know, one hundred wild thing tone logan.

514
00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:15,800
Speaker 2: They're like, are you sure you need one hundred?

515
00:25:15,840 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 8: I'm like, Yo, it's moving because people coming in the

516
00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 8: store going yo, we need wild thing, wild thing for

517
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,080
Speaker 8: the weekend, you know, and then we can move them.

518
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:24,440
Speaker 8: They got to a point where they trusted anything I

519
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:27,879
Speaker 8: would say order people say. And then that's when the

520
00:25:28,000 --> 00:25:30,119
Speaker 8: base in the in the cars was like a new

521
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 8: thing holding now hit it is what totally got us

522
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:37,680
Speaker 8: into the sound system era for us in Texas, holding

523
00:25:37,760 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 8: now hit.

524
00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:43,920
Speaker 2: It, My man, are right? That is a loud even

525
00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 2: always mixed the ship way louder.

526
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:49,040
Speaker 8: Than and and what it was. There's a guy named

527
00:25:49,040 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 8: Otis Curtis. He was part of my rival DJ team,

528
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 8: the DJ crew that that that. We were rivals all

529
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 8: the time. It was Chris Garrett, Tony Tapscott, Darryl Tapscott,

530
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 8: r I P. And we we all friends, played football everything,

531
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 8: but we also enemy but rivals with the turntables because

532
00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 8: we were like, yo, but you ain't got this record,

533
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:09,920
Speaker 8: but ja got that record?

534
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 2: But O.

535
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 8: This was the first one to have the big wolfers

536
00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,840
Speaker 8: in his truck. And I remember he came pulled up

537
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:17,320
Speaker 8: he goes, Yo, I'm about to put on this song

538
00:26:17,440 --> 00:26:19,480
Speaker 8: by the Beasie Boys. We had already heard like, uh

539
00:26:19,960 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 8: the well, we had heard Beastie groove, but didn't have

540
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:23,639
Speaker 8: no eight O eights and this is one of the

541
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 8: old Purple Death jam so yeah, exactly. So then I

542
00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:32,119
Speaker 8: remember this is exactly what he said. He said, Yo,

543
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,680
Speaker 8: when this record beat Beat drops, you better duck. And

544
00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:37,920
Speaker 8: we're like why he said, watch and you know it

545
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,520
Speaker 8: starts off with this holding now there's no you know,

546
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:44,959
Speaker 8: he goes get ready to dug in the city. As

547
00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 8: soon as he said and I'm chill it, and it

548
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:54,560
Speaker 8: just said boom boom boom, boom boom. We were like, god, damn,

549
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:58,760
Speaker 8: that's some bass. And after that everything just started coming out.

550
00:26:58,840 --> 00:27:00,359
Speaker 8: It seemed like it seemed like I and that just

551
00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:03,240
Speaker 8: everything was just boom boom boom. And then that's how

552
00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,879
Speaker 8: I got really into Mally because Molly didn't follow the

553
00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:11,119
Speaker 8: every kick pattern. His would just be just like boom boom,

554
00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,040
Speaker 8: And we were like, yo, look where he's placing his ship.

555
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 2: So that blew me away. And this is even before

556
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 2: you had even started. This is still We're just.

557
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:29,639
Speaker 5: You want to know something hilarious, So your your moment

558
00:27:29,960 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 5: of realization with like this, this might call me to

559
00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,240
Speaker 5: the culture was holding now hit it? You want to

560
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 5: know something hilarious. So the initial printing of hold it

561
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:46,200
Speaker 5: now hit it? When def Jam did it put the

562
00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:51,040
Speaker 5: a cappella on the A side right, So when Lady

563
00:27:51,160 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 5: b Ever played it in Philadelphia, we never knew there

564
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 5: was drums on the ship. She was not until not

565
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 5: until we ought license to ill And I'm still mad

566
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:05,119
Speaker 5: even to this day. When I played Holding Out hit

567
00:28:05,200 --> 00:28:09,879
Speaker 5: it like I played the acappella in Philly, Wow, it

568
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 5: was because to us it was like, yo, they are

569
00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 5: so dope, they don't even need to.

570
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 2: Word no music.

571
00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:23,560
Speaker 5: I mean, we never heard of a cappella before, so

572
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 5: this was number one in Philly for like all of nineteen.

573
00:28:29,400 --> 00:28:31,199
Speaker 2: We never knew there was music. We never knew there

574
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 2: was drums, so we never knew. We never knew that.

575
00:28:34,000 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 5: So like and only later I found out the initial

576
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:41,520
Speaker 5: pressings of it, like I think mural in Japan, I

577
00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 5: brought a twelve inch where Holding Out hited the a

578
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 5: cappella they called Acapulca. Yeah, it was on the A

579
00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,480
Speaker 5: side and the other version was on the B side.

580
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:56,080
Speaker 5: But yeah, never I never knew it was yeah, and

581
00:28:56,280 --> 00:28:57,640
Speaker 5: that's what that That's.

582
00:28:57,560 --> 00:29:01,400
Speaker 8: Really what said office sound from me and then that's

583
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:03,040
Speaker 8: from from there. That's why I was like, man. But

584
00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 8: when it came to Marley, that's why I was like,

585
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 8: I want to I want to learn.

586
00:29:05,520 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: How to make beats.

587
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 8: It was just everything his When I heard the bridge,

588
00:29:09,800 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 8: you know, I remember run DMC and Dana Dame came

589
00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 8: to our college to perform and during the Break, you know,

590
00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:18,960
Speaker 8: when they're setting up the equipment and everything. I just

591
00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 8: remember I thought it was called the Breaks because it

592
00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 8: was going it sounds like it's going to break to break,

593
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:27,560
Speaker 8: to break, to break, to break to break. I didn't

594
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 8: know it's saying the bridge. And then I remember, like

595
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 8: that's around Tim mc carlos, and I was like, yo,

596
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 8: there's a song called the it goes the Break, the

597
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:34,959
Speaker 8: Break he goes.

598
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 2: No, it's saying the Bridge, he goes.

599
00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 8: I got it right over here and it said Bridge Records,

600
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,680
Speaker 8: and it just looks so plain, but it looked New York.

601
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 2: Like the label.

602
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 8: I was like, again, labels, the way they look they

603
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,520
Speaker 8: you know, they just make you plug out based on

604
00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 8: the label. Now you'll see a label with some weird

605
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 8: shitting go always.

606
00:29:53,560 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 2: I know it's something on it.

607
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 13: You know.

608
00:29:56,280 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 2: What was.

609
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 5: Was general hip hop culture in Houston, derivative of New

610
00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:05,720
Speaker 5: York culture, Like Okay, we see run DMC doing that,

611
00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 5: so what's up, homeboy? Like because it was southern was southern?

612
00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,840
Speaker 5: When did Houston establish their own thing? Like Okay, we

613
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:21,520
Speaker 5: don't have to be New York or LA. We could

614
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 5: be ourselves.

615
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 8: Like I gotta say, the ghetto Boys, you know, because

616
00:30:25,560 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 8: I go back to knowing the Ghetto Boys when it

617
00:30:27,640 --> 00:30:29,840
Speaker 8: was Johnny you know, when it was waiting for a

618
00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:34,080
Speaker 8: Face before Ready Read. It was juke Box and Johnny

619
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 8: c and everybody that you know this is you know,

620
00:30:36,800 --> 00:30:39,760
Speaker 8: when when Face came, he was a DJ action, you know,

621
00:30:39,920 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 8: so even Butchwick Bill wasn't in the group officially yet.

622
00:30:43,280 --> 00:30:46,040
Speaker 8: So then Ready Red came in later on, like when

623
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 8: Death four and all of them came out, and and

624
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:54,959
Speaker 8: the Raheem. So during the first record that came out

625
00:30:55,040 --> 00:30:57,840
Speaker 8: was called Carfreak. That was the first Ghetto Boys record,

626
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,440
Speaker 8: and we were like, wow, they got the feelos suits on,

627
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:02,320
Speaker 8: and they got the fat cables, Like where they get

628
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 8: it this in Houston where you finding cables at? You

629
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 8: know what I'm saying. They had the big dookie ropes

630
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,760
Speaker 8: and we were just like wow, you know they they

631
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,400
Speaker 8: got them already. Then, Uh, everybody knew Jay Prince because

632
00:31:13,440 --> 00:31:15,520
Speaker 8: we had a we had a club called the ron

633
00:31:15,600 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 8: Stone Wrangler, which was the Tunnel back in the eighties,

634
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 8: and and J Prince was one of the owners of

635
00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 8: that club. So uh, and then RP, the one that

636
00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 8: taught me how to scratch, was working there. On that

637
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 8: night's so that's yeah. So he would always get me

638
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,880
Speaker 8: in and he this is when he's playing, he's not

639
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:34,360
Speaker 8: really playing, you know. Yeah, you play car Freak from

640
00:31:34,400 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 8: the Ghetto Boys and play Captain Jack, who was the

641
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,880
Speaker 8: local DJ and radio personality. And he had a record

642
00:31:40,920 --> 00:31:43,960
Speaker 8: called don't do It Like That Baby, so so de

643
00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:46,160
Speaker 8: cause back then people go, yo, don't do it like

644
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 8: that baby. That was like a saying. So he he

645
00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 8: made that as like an anthem before the fat Man scoops.

646
00:31:51,840 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 8: This was don't do it like that baby was the anthem.

647
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 8: So that got played and then uh then uh, and

648
00:31:58,080 --> 00:31:59,640
Speaker 8: you know, Steve Farnier and all of them was a

649
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 8: major part of Houston. But in the club, if it

650
00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 8: wasn't Ghetto Boys, it was stepsosnic uh, nobody beats to biz,

651
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,240
Speaker 8: make the music with your mouth, the bridge like it

652
00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 8: was those types of records in Texas like.

653
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 2: No bias against nah nah it was fresh.

654
00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 10: I was yeah, I mean because it was the same

655
00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 10: for us like in North Carolina like it was you

656
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,880
Speaker 10: know when we were young, like New York.

657
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:32,000
Speaker 2: I mean that was it. So whatever was whatever was out,

658
00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:33,400
Speaker 2: Yeah it was it was.

659
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 10: It wasn't it hadn't become regionalized yet, so like at

660
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 10: the time, so you're still are you DJing at this

661
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 10: point or you at the time when.

662
00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 8: Eighty four, you know, into eighty five. And once I

663
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:49,480
Speaker 8: was already doing parties. But I just knew how to blend.

664
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,080
Speaker 8: I didn't know how to cut. I do nothing. I

665
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 8: was just very and I used to sit down and

666
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,520
Speaker 8: just just spend. I wouldn't stand up. I would just

667
00:32:56,600 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 8: sit there. Crowds rocking, and I would just sit there

668
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 8: and go fade and everybody's still rocking. And I always

669
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 8: had just a HoTT of stuff. And then and then, uh,

670
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,000
Speaker 8: how many crates are you bringing to a party at

671
00:33:12,040 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 8: that time? Probably like ten fifteen because because everybody you know, why,

672
00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 8: because everybody help. It was a place called the Memorial Center,

673
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:22,360
Speaker 8: and then we also spun at a place called the

674
00:33:22,400 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 8: Newman Center, which is part of the church I went to.

675
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:25,800
Speaker 8: I used to go to Catholic Church. I was the

676
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 8: ultim boy all that stuff. And uh so the Newman

677
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,040
Speaker 8: Center was the place to have the jams. So it's

678
00:33:31,080 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 8: the spot.

679
00:33:32,040 --> 00:33:34,320
Speaker 2: And when we spun it at the Newman Center.

680
00:33:35,800 --> 00:33:38,560
Speaker 8: And at the Memorial Center, everybody wants to get in

681
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 8: because they you know, you got to pay to get

682
00:33:40,440 --> 00:33:42,240
Speaker 8: the get in the door. They were really strict like that.

683
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 8: Now you gotta pay, you know, they probably a dollar

684
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 8: then and I was like a big dog, I ain't

685
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 8: got a dollar, yo. People always help you carry the

686
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 8: crates in and they're not there when it's time to

687
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 8: go home. Every time you know, no one going to

688
00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 8: help you. Yeah, you know, be out of ten people

689
00:33:57,400 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 8: will be two people to help you.

690
00:33:59,240 --> 00:34:00,120
Speaker 2: So uh that.

691
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 8: Back then, we had our own equipment, recipes to Theodore Archer.

692
00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:06,000
Speaker 8: We call him Meatball. He he and I had a

693
00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:09,040
Speaker 8: DJ crew. My mom made us a little cards and

694
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:13,440
Speaker 8: you know uh what we call we would call Magic Sounds.

695
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 2: My mom named it.

696
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 8: I didn't like it Magic Sounds. I was like, ma,

697
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 8: cause we had Magic one O two, which was our

698
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:22,480
Speaker 8: hip hop and R and B station. But they back

699
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 8: then they played like I said, the mix show played

700
00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 8: and nothing but predominantly New York game because that's all

701
00:34:26,760 --> 00:34:29,879
Speaker 8: you really ask. But but then we had Egyptian Lover

702
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 8: for the West Coast. You had Egyptian Lover. You had

703
00:34:32,800 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 8: a mixed mass iced T wouldn't even even now really

704
00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 8: like yet he had a record called Cole win Madness.

705
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 8: A lot of people don't know that he is a

706
00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:42,640
Speaker 8: record on the Blue Label.

707
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,520
Speaker 2: Jimmy Lewis one, yeah, yes, it is.

708
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:51,520
Speaker 5: So right before it just be good to me, Jimmy

709
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:55,560
Speaker 5: James Terry Lewis would make it little instrumentals and that

710
00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:56,240
Speaker 5: Blue label.

711
00:34:56,320 --> 00:35:11,000
Speaker 2: Yeah you know, yeah yeah boom was that before? So

712
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 2: that was before you named Egyptian lover. Uh was a

713
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:14,759
Speaker 2: big deal.

714
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 8: Two show was just on the because we now I

715
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 8: have West Coast friends who I met in college, just

716
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:22,480
Speaker 8: got Stevie, Steve. He used to be like, man, you

717
00:35:22,680 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 8: on all that New York stuff. Y'all always put it

718
00:35:25,000 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 8: on plus two. We put it on plus eight and

719
00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:30,720
Speaker 8: I was like, so he said, yeah, can we cut faster?

720
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 8: And he's always had an attitude. He's like, let me

721
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:34,360
Speaker 8: show you what we could do. And he put on

722
00:35:34,440 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 8: the al and they fish from Hachene.

723
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 2: It's time and he's like that.

724
00:35:38,320 --> 00:35:40,839
Speaker 8: I'm like, wow, he's doing this fast. He's like, yeah,

725
00:35:40,920 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 8: stick to your plus two. That's all our death. I

726
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,160
Speaker 8: will always remember him saying that, stick to your little

727
00:35:47,160 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 8: plus two because he was alway. Every time he get on,

728
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:50,080
Speaker 8: he goes, can I get off?

729
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:52,080
Speaker 2: He would just slap it down.

730
00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:56,000
Speaker 8: You know what, Shout to Stevie, Steve wherever you are,

731
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 8: shout to John Twine. Uh, these are guy John Twine Man.

732
00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:01,520
Speaker 8: He was like pretty boy from the West Coast. But

733
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,440
Speaker 8: they taught us how to do the dance called the

734
00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 8: Guests because I used to dance back then. I was

735
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 8: in I was in a B boy crew everything. That's

736
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:10,440
Speaker 8: when you know I had footwork and everything.

737
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 2: You know.

738
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,839
Speaker 8: We used to battle the legend. He used to play

739
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 8: for the Rams.

740
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:14,600
Speaker 12: Uh.

741
00:36:16,920 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 8: Oh my god. Harvey Williams, he used to play with

742
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,839
Speaker 8: the Rams and he played with the Raiders. We used

743
00:36:21,840 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 8: to battle him and his brother Darryl Williams, and they

744
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 8: used to wear the tuxedo jackets with with the white

745
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 8: piezos and and the white gloves, and then they would moonwalk.

746
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 8: They were the first one I ever saw moonwalk where

747
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 8: it looked like they were literally floating on air. I

748
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 8: was like, yea, all these dudes are nasty. We gotta

749
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:40,280
Speaker 8: kill him in the next battle.

750
00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 5: All right, I'm mind blowing right here. All right, you're

751
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,719
Speaker 5: listening to the Quest Love Supreme, O Pandura. Uh. We're

752
00:36:47,719 --> 00:36:50,439
Speaker 5: here with Teams Supreme and our very special guests, DJ

753
00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 5: two plus the the, the the the Larry Love of

754
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 5: Houston hip hop dancer.

755
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 2: YO. So I'm like, I'm really shocked.

756
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 5: Because the only inkling that I had that Houston even

757
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 5: had a culture was when Chuck D shouted out ghetto

758
00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:18,840
Speaker 5: Boys and on Fear of a Black Planet, Like it

759
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 5: really wasn't even occurring.

760
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: To me that way before hip hop was.

761
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,320
Speaker 8: And the the guy that's like the quote unquote Mellye

762
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 8: Mel of Houston, his name is k Reno.

763
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 2: Oh yeahno, yeah, yeah k Reno.

764
00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,200
Speaker 8: If you asked Phase Bundy, any of them, like who's

765
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,120
Speaker 8: your guy, guy you look up to from Houston, They're

766
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 8: not gonna even go I was, They're gonna automatically say

767
00:37:42,280 --> 00:37:45,800
Speaker 8: k Reno. He just released an album called the Big Seven.

768
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:48,359
Speaker 8: Uh just posted on Instagram a couple of days ago.

769
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 8: He just released seven albums all on the same day,

770
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:51,600
Speaker 8: just came out.

771
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,240
Speaker 2: He's just a militant work.

772
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:58,000
Speaker 8: The militant, angry just I don't just fuck you all

773
00:37:58,239 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 8: type rapper, and he can spit. He's actually on the

774
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:04,160
Speaker 8: n YG's album on the song about It's called Introduction

775
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 8: of Manhood, which is pretty much about, uh, how many

776
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,919
Speaker 8: how many youth black kids go to jail to learned

777
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 8: to be a man because they don't really know until

778
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 8: they hit a consequence where they got to go to

779
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 8: jail and really face real men.

780
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 2: So so it's all about that.

781
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,160
Speaker 8: So it's Kirino, you know Nyg's and Little Fame from

782
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 8: MP It's a real hill song to beat. Its crazy

783
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 8: and it's very serious beat. But it sounds like you

784
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 8: you know, running highe the hoodie music. But Krino bodied it.

785
00:38:33,440 --> 00:38:36,880
Speaker 8: I mean, just man, he's yeah, Krino Man, big up

786
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 8: to him.

787
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 2: He's the he's the you know, he's.

788
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:41,560
Speaker 8: From South Park, so that's south Side. He he's the

789
00:38:41,640 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 8: South Park General. So you know it's really north sides

790
00:38:44,840 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 8: and in south Side in Houston. Yeah, so and Most

791
00:38:47,360 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 8: and then you got Most City, which is Missouri City.

792
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 2: So you know, so.

793
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,440
Speaker 5: At this rate, are you thinking like, okay, this is

794
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 5: a career for me and or is it just now

795
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 5: how did you because you're not in the original.

796
00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 2: Gangster No, I'm in the third.

797
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:13,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, I'm the third generation. First generation is Guru Sug

798
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 8: and Sug's brother swab d He he was that was

799
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 8: the first gang star they named Gangstar when they were

800
00:39:19,320 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 8: going to moreuse.

801
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:21,719
Speaker 2: You know, Sugar was hustling out.

802
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:24,880
Speaker 8: There, and uh, you know the Guru was going to college,

803
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,480
Speaker 8: and uh they were called the gangsters because you know,

804
00:39:28,560 --> 00:39:31,279
Speaker 8: Sug wanted to keep it. Yeah, yeah, we're keeping in heart.

805
00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 8: You know, Sugar was heavy in the streets at the time.

806
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,560
Speaker 8: So from there they say, you know what, it's called

807
00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 8: a gang star to kind of not soften it but

808
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 8: just have it more accessible of a name and having catchy.

809
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 8: So they they originated the name Sug, swab d and

810
00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:49,680
Speaker 8: and Guru. Then from there Sug got incarcerated, did a

811
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 8: few years of time, and then another MC stepped in. Uh,

812
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,400
Speaker 8: because it was only one m C, but now it's

813
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 8: two m C. There's Dame Odiski and Guru. But Guru

814
00:39:58,760 --> 00:40:00,880
Speaker 8: wrote all the rhymes for Damo dame o.

815
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:01,319
Speaker 5: Uh.

816
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,319
Speaker 2: Uh would would rap with Guru.

817
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:06,279
Speaker 8: And then at the DJ, his name was Mike D

818
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:08,959
Speaker 8: but his DJ name was DJ want to be down.

819
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:10,040
Speaker 2: But he spent.

820
00:40:10,400 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 8: But he spelled the DJ one one two, the number

821
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 8: two B, the letter B and then down there was

822
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 8: DJ one two be down. But if you say it

823
00:40:21,080 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 8: all the one and if you listen to the first

824
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 8: twelve and he goes, yeah, DJ want to be down

825
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,440
Speaker 8: on the DJ on the wheels, you know, so, yeah, D,

826
00:40:27,560 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 8: they want to be down. Mike D's brother's name is

827
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 8: gang Star T, so that's another.

828
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:34,480
Speaker 2: Edition of the name.

829
00:40:34,680 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 8: But even though they had already started Gang Star already

830
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,120
Speaker 8: with Sug and swave D and Guru, but Gangstar T

831
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 8: was a known guy in Boston. And again Mike D

832
00:40:44,160 --> 00:40:46,600
Speaker 8: is his brother in the group. So that's how that

833
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 8: that those affiliations happened. And then when it got to

834
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,040
Speaker 8: the point of Guru staying in New York when he's

835
00:40:52,040 --> 00:40:55,120
Speaker 8: living in Brooklyn, he and he got with me. He

836
00:40:55,320 --> 00:40:56,799
Speaker 8: was like, man, if they're not gonna come up here

837
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 8: and help, you know, for get us to the point

838
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,120
Speaker 8: where they're only showing up in their shows and money,

839
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:04,239
Speaker 8: I'm I'm not gonna have them be in the group

840
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 8: and it's just gonna be me and you.

841
00:41:05,640 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 2: So I was like, well, that's on you.

842
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 8: And that's when that that beef started where they were like, well,

843
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 8: we're gonna be Gangster a posse and.

844
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:14,080
Speaker 2: Uh, you know, that's when little Shabb who's from.

845
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,480
Speaker 8: Meast, New York, he was friends with Jay Ruth Damager

846
00:41:16,560 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 8: and then that that that they kind of angry that

847
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:22,360
Speaker 8: that Guru kept running with the name. So they started that,

848
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:24,200
Speaker 8: but then you know, that got shut down quick. We

849
00:41:24,280 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 8: were doing dis records and stuff like that, and I

850
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,360
Speaker 8: didn't I didn't know them, but I knew whoever it is,

851
00:41:29,600 --> 00:41:32,080
Speaker 8: if it's to that degree where we gotta gotta get

852
00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 8: it on. I was always like not was I am

853
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,560
Speaker 8: still from line if it's something that's gonna protect our

854
00:41:38,680 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 8: team and and and I'm like that to this day.

855
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:47,920
Speaker 10: How did you and Guru even meet? Because you signed

856
00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:52,720
Speaker 10: it with this and the wild pitch he finds your demo?

857
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 8: Right, well, Guru really found the demos that still checked this.

858
00:41:57,440 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 2: So how did you and him actually meet?

859
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 8: So Stu said, you know, I should put you all together,

860
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 8: but I wanted to student sign the MCS in control.

861
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 8: But now we've changed our name to I c P,

862
00:42:08,120 --> 00:42:11,240
Speaker 8: which was in a circle posse. But there's a reggae

863
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 8: group called.

864
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,000
Speaker 2: That that's yeah. I was like yeah.

865
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:18,800
Speaker 8: So so with that we were just like we're just

866
00:42:18,920 --> 00:42:20,640
Speaker 8: we're just I c P, you know, and we'll say

867
00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:21,480
Speaker 8: in a circle posse and.

868
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 2: Wow, what equipment were you using then?

869
00:42:28,760 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 8: I was Carlos had an SB twelve that he had

870
00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:34,440
Speaker 8: bought and twelve the Perl the blue, so you couldn't

871
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 8: save the sound.

872
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:36,879
Speaker 2: I bought the drive.

873
00:42:37,080 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 8: You know that you have the big, big flat square

874
00:42:41,000 --> 00:42:43,359
Speaker 8: you know, the one it's like a ten inch disc.

875
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:46,760
Speaker 2: You know, we save.

876
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:54,040
Speaker 8: So so, but then when you saved it and you

877
00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,680
Speaker 8: load it back up and it's all like, you know,

878
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 8: it's not playing back the same. But I learned how

879
00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:03,120
Speaker 8: to trunk do everything, and I would just make it

880
00:43:03,160 --> 00:43:05,879
Speaker 8: and go directly to my cassette decks because I'm like, damn,

881
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 8: it's not saving anything the way I want. So if

882
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:10,720
Speaker 8: you know, I can't reload it up to play it again,

883
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 8: and then uh yeah. And then when I got to

884
00:43:18,400 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 8: New York with that, you know Gord he shot to

885
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 8: Gordon Franklin. They were they They went to Periview as well,

886
00:43:24,080 --> 00:43:26,160
Speaker 8: so that's how we all met. So when I told

887
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 8: him I was coming back and I wanted to get

888
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:30,879
Speaker 8: some demos done to hopefully get a gang star at

889
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 8: the time, Stuart was like, well, I just don't like

890
00:43:32,320 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 8: the way you got wraps. He didn't like the way

891
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:37,160
Speaker 8: Top rap, and uh because the demo me and Top

892
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 8: did is what got that got us to Stull wanting

893
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 8: to sign us. So that's why I'm like, I'm not

894
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,840
Speaker 8: going to leave him and you like the demo that

895
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,880
Speaker 8: we cut. Yeah, we had one called We're Fantastic. We

896
00:43:49,000 --> 00:43:51,800
Speaker 8: had one called Up Another Level. We had let my

897
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 8: DJ get Hyped, which was him rapping about me and

898
00:43:54,560 --> 00:43:57,600
Speaker 8: I was looping, uh uh people make the World go

899
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:58,680
Speaker 8: around from Michael.

900
00:43:58,480 --> 00:44:04,200
Speaker 2: Jackson, boom boom, boom boom. I just kept just boogo

901
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:04,799
Speaker 2: boogo boom.

902
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:09,200
Speaker 8: Because my my man Skeet, who was our neighbor in

903
00:44:09,280 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 8: East New York, taught me how to work a for

904
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:12,560
Speaker 8: a track. I was like, wow, so I could just

905
00:44:12,640 --> 00:44:14,680
Speaker 8: cut this for like five minutes. Now I got that,

906
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:18,240
Speaker 8: and then I would just cut the dun from the Wilton,

907
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 8: I mean from the mil Jackson version yellow covered with

908
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:21,799
Speaker 8: the red.

909
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,440
Speaker 2: I cut that over it. Then that was the That

910
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:26,000
Speaker 2: was the beat.

911
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,239
Speaker 8: Let my DJ get Hype turned into DJ Premieres and

912
00:44:30,320 --> 00:44:32,800
Speaker 8: Deep Concentration because he said, let me get off the

913
00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 8: mic and let my DJ get hyped. Gepkeepepet get kip,

914
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:38,279
Speaker 8: give the man behind the wheels and so all the

915
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 8: cuts that I did on that became Deep Concentration. Once

916
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 8: I joined Gang Star, but I and I and I

917
00:44:43,880 --> 00:44:47,319
Speaker 8: found my demo tape that I gave Stu, and Stu

918
00:44:47,719 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 8: gave it back to me. It's in great condition. I'm

919
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 8: about to transfer it because I you know, and digitize

920
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:59,839
Speaker 8: it because that's you know, safety stuff. Yeah, no, real,

921
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 8: I'm not joking. Even the writing on it, and and

922
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:04,800
Speaker 8: you know, just looking at it like wow, this is

923
00:45:05,640 --> 00:45:07,800
Speaker 8: And I found the law for Nes demo.

924
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:09,239
Speaker 2: Law Ferness wrote his own.

925
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,120
Speaker 8: He put Lawfulness the Funky Technician on it, with his

926
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 8: own handwriting, with the nice you know, graffiti style handwriting

927
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 8: and everything, you know. And that's how I met law

928
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 8: for Ness when he became our label mate. You know,

929
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 8: that was the first person I ever produced us outside

930
00:45:24,080 --> 00:45:27,000
Speaker 8: of gang Star. But yeah when when when? Uh with

931
00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:30,520
Speaker 8: my partner. As far as how we separated, uh top

932
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 8: but we Stu even said, look, I'll put you all

933
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:36,239
Speaker 8: in the studio. Maybe you need a professional studio. Maybe

934
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 8: I like him, puts in the professional studio. Next thing,

935
00:45:40,080 --> 00:45:42,239
Speaker 8: you know, we do a couple more demos. He's like,

936
00:45:42,280 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 8: I still don't like your guys. So I said, I'm

937
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:47,040
Speaker 8: not that. I can't join gangst unless unless I'm with

938
00:45:47,160 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 8: my dude. Time passed. We cut them more demos, still

939
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,920
Speaker 8: no work. We went to every label still nothing. The

940
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:57,600
Speaker 8: Top said, yo, man, in the next couple of months,

941
00:45:57,640 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 8: if we don't get a deal, I'm going into the military.

942
00:45:59,680 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 2: You know.

943
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 8: I was like, nah, not you, that's not even He's

944
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,680
Speaker 8: so street, It's like, that's not even leaving you man.

945
00:46:07,840 --> 00:46:09,359
Speaker 8: We got to knock on the door cause we all

946
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:11,799
Speaker 8: were living with Gordon's family now, you know, hanging out

947
00:46:11,800 --> 00:46:16,120
Speaker 8: in the basement living there, Me Gordon, brother Gary, Uh

948
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,319
Speaker 8: and me and Top and I dance a HL rock

949
00:46:18,320 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 8: shot shot to HL and next thing you know, Dud's

950
00:46:22,120 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 8: at the door and he's like in the uniform, going, hey,

951
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 8: I'm looking for Theodore Campbell. And I'm like for what

952
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,920
Speaker 8: he said, Uh, he's leaving today, you know he he

953
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 8: I thought he was bluffing, and he said, yeah, you're

954
00:46:31,200 --> 00:46:35,600
Speaker 8: joining the military. I'm like, yo, time, yelling down, yelling

955
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,720
Speaker 8: down in the I was just explaining this at another interview.

956
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:40,560
Speaker 8: I was just and he comes up the stairs with

957
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:43,360
Speaker 8: his bags already packed, and I'm like, you're really leaving

958
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 8: and he was like yeah, and he said it's rapp

959
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 8: ain't working. I was like, nowhere is I leave me Like,

960
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 8: I'm stuck here in New York without you? Because I

961
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,239
Speaker 8: really thought we were gonna make and he's like, yo,

962
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 8: and he said, and I thought he enlisted for like

963
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:58,520
Speaker 8: a year. I was gonna wait and just be like,

964
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:00,880
Speaker 8: when you come home, we'll do it again. He's a

965
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:02,240
Speaker 8: ninelists for four years.

966
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 2: N like, now, that's a lifetime to wrap called.

967
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,160
Speaker 8: My partner just left. He went to the Navy, and

968
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 8: he's like, so that's when I joined Google captain. Now

969
00:47:16,080 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 8: he actually got discharged, but uh, he's doing well. He's

970
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 8: got got a beautiful family. We're homies. We still see

971
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,960
Speaker 8: each other everything. Like I said, I see everybody took it.

972
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 8: But we all always calling each other, texting each other.

973
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 8: Everything's good and good with everybody, so no hard feelings.

974
00:47:31,960 --> 00:47:34,400
Speaker 5: It's in the vein of third base. It's almost like

975
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:37,760
Speaker 5: an arranged marriage. Yeah, yeah, that worked.

976
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:42,640
Speaker 2: That was or did it both?

977
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 8: And I told at the beginning, I said, listen, I

978
00:47:46,040 --> 00:47:49,640
Speaker 8: still want to produce other acts, you know, so please

979
00:47:50,160 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 8: you know you got a problem with that, let me know.

980
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 8: He's like, nah, I'm cool with that. Just I want

981
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 8: you to DJ for me or whatever, and you know,

982
00:47:55,719 --> 00:47:56,759
Speaker 8: make the records for me too.

983
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:57,480
Speaker 2: And I was like cool.

984
00:47:57,560 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 8: I said, well then I'll be in the group with you,

985
00:47:59,440 --> 00:48:01,000
Speaker 8: but i'mstill produce outside of that.

986
00:48:01,360 --> 00:48:04,200
Speaker 10: So no more missed the nice guy I read. I

987
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 10: think there was another of you said the album was

988
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:06,319
Speaker 10: done in.

989
00:48:06,440 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 2: Like ten twelve days.

990
00:48:08,520 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, that I wasn't really nasty yet as far as

991
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:16,120
Speaker 8: being being confident to say I am a beat maker producer,

992
00:48:16,800 --> 00:48:19,239
Speaker 8: that really was me guru. This now is nest me

993
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:19,960
Speaker 8: twelve hundred.

994
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:22,240
Speaker 2: You know, this is me Guru.

995
00:48:22,360 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 8: And Slowmo's son and fell and we were in Brooklyn

996
00:48:25,120 --> 00:48:27,920
Speaker 8: at such a sound studios, and uh, I used to

997
00:48:27,920 --> 00:48:29,840
Speaker 8: see King of Chill there all the time, Like wow,

998
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:31,880
Speaker 8: I think it was King of Chill, you know, like

999
00:48:32,120 --> 00:48:34,600
Speaker 8: my man. You know, like I was such a big fan,

1000
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:36,680
Speaker 8: and I didn't really know how to work that's not

1001
00:48:36,840 --> 00:48:40,160
Speaker 8: fifty yet in Akai, that's not fifty Sampler and me

1002
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 8: and him got cool and he's like, yo, if you

1003
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:43,719
Speaker 8: want to come to my mom's house, I'll teach you

1004
00:48:43,760 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 8: how to how.

1005
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 2: To work it.

1006
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 8: So I used to go to Crown Ice to take

1007
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:47,880
Speaker 8: the train and bought me a nine to fifty of

1008
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:49,719
Speaker 8: my own and he taught me at his mom's house

1009
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,640
Speaker 8: with no drum machine attached, so I didn't have anything

1010
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:53,480
Speaker 8: to trigger it. He just taught me how to loop

1011
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 8: and everything. And I used to always go to King

1012
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,839
Speaker 8: of Chill's house and learn all of that. So once

1013
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,120
Speaker 8: I got that master, then he said, man, and you

1014
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 8: could buy you like a little basic device that can

1015
00:49:02,560 --> 00:49:04,480
Speaker 8: MIDI up. You know, I was learning this whole MIDI thing,

1016
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:06,800
Speaker 8: and he said, and you can trigger all your sounds.

1017
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,360
Speaker 8: And once I did that, I started going, oh, okay,

1018
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 8: I get it. And but I didn't know how to

1019
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 8: do chopping until I'm at show Biz because because now

1020
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:17,200
Speaker 8: the law for our label made. He's like, ya, want

1021
00:49:17,200 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 8: you to meet one of my homemies from my from

1022
00:49:19,160 --> 00:49:19,760
Speaker 8: my projects.

1023
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 2: He's dope.

1024
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,520
Speaker 8: He named show Viz. You know, show was in the street,

1025
00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:25,920
Speaker 8: but he was nasty with the beats. And that's how

1026
00:49:25,920 --> 00:49:27,960
Speaker 8: I'm at Diamond, and that's how I'm at the whole

1027
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 8: D I T C. And I'm in fact Joe way

1028
00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:30,759
Speaker 8: back before.

1029
00:49:31,880 --> 00:49:36,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's then they were active, Oh yeah, just waiting

1030
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 2: for the wait for that time.

1031
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 8: And uh and Patrick really liked you know, Showz was

1032
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 8: doing everything on his own ride the trunk of a car.

1033
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 8: Patrick liked like show Biz music. So that's why he's like, yo,

1034
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:49,800
Speaker 8: let's sign them to pay day, and that's how we

1035
00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 8: all got Yeah. Well when I when we did No

1036
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 8: woman's a nice guy. We were all on the drum

1037
00:49:57,320 --> 00:50:00,160
Speaker 8: machine together, like we'd be side by side and I'm like,

1038
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,360
Speaker 8: I'll hit this, you hit that, and.

1039
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 2: Slo almost like, well I'll hit this.

1040
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 8: They are like bombs were really yeah, because if you

1041
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,919
Speaker 8: hear the production what songs, all of them.

1042
00:50:11,560 --> 00:50:14,800
Speaker 5: Because I'm saying everything was so wait a minute, so

1043
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 5: or cause and effect. That's someone doing the highest yo,

1044
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 5: yo dog, and.

1045
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 2: You were trying to replicate that. I was like, yo,

1046
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:31,560
Speaker 2: is there a describancy program because that was starting getting.

1047
00:50:32,200 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 8: Because I didn't understand yeah, because he went because I

1048
00:50:36,080 --> 00:50:37,400
Speaker 8: never liked the quantize, so.

1049
00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 2: I like it loose. And once he told me, I

1050
00:50:39,920 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 2: was like, how can you make it?

1051
00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 8: Do it with it's almost like you're doing it. He

1052
00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:44,880
Speaker 8: said you could turn the quantize off. I thought everything

1053
00:50:44,960 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 8: was just one sixteen. So when he told me that,

1054
00:50:47,239 --> 00:50:48,000
Speaker 8: I'm just liked.

1055
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 5: You know, oh yeah, it's I gotta hear this for

1056
00:50:51,280 --> 00:51:02,399
Speaker 5: one second. This caused effect by gangster. You ain't living right, punk,

1057
00:51:02,760 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 5: I'll like to school you're not rue you But I said, yo,

1058
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 5: you fool yourself when you try to deny the five

1059
00:51:07,520 --> 00:51:08,280
Speaker 5: written long.

1060
00:51:12,080 --> 00:51:17,680
Speaker 8: Hoped each other because we're doing it like he might go,

1061
00:51:23,040 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 8: you know, like that's how it was, Like we really

1062
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 8: but you know what, I'm not I'm.

1063
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 5: Really not mad at that at all, because what you know,

1064
00:51:33,080 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 5: Marlon Jackson said when that Off the Wall documentary that

1065
00:51:40,480 --> 00:51:44,959
Speaker 5: sometimes mistakes and and the human element makes the song

1066
00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:49,800
Speaker 5: breathe better. And you know, like I really didn't know

1067
00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 5: the importance of quantizing until like some dj started complaining

1068
00:51:53,480 --> 00:51:58,520
Speaker 5: that they can't blend rare stuff to you know, and

1069
00:51:58,640 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 5: I was like, all right, I'll do it, damn click track.

1070
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 5: But you know, like I would have Okay, now this

1071
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 5: there's a lot of the records making sense to me

1072
00:52:08,200 --> 00:52:10,919
Speaker 5: now that I realized that you guys were just doing

1073
00:52:10,960 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 5: it triggering live with your hands.

1074
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:15,480
Speaker 10: So after that, when y'all do know him, it's a

1075
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:18,879
Speaker 10: nice guy. How do you make the transition from wild

1076
00:52:18,960 --> 00:52:20,360
Speaker 10: Pitch to Chrysalis?

1077
00:52:20,760 --> 00:52:23,920
Speaker 8: For got to give it up to Spike Lee and

1078
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:29,359
Speaker 8: and uh brand from Marcellus. Oh yeah, because we had

1079
00:52:29,400 --> 00:52:33,280
Speaker 8: done jazz music. Spike saw Spike saw the video towards

1080
00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,040
Speaker 8: our manifest thought girl looking like Malcolm X in the

1081
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:38,279
Speaker 8: video that prompted.

1082
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:38,800
Speaker 2: The Body album.

1083
00:52:39,000 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 8: He bought the album and was and heard jazz music.

1084
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:43,680
Speaker 8: And it was during the time he was doing Mo

1085
00:52:43,840 --> 00:52:46,640
Speaker 8: Better Blues. So when he was doing more the Better Blues,

1086
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 8: he reached out to us and plus is Brooklyn. You know,

1087
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:50,960
Speaker 8: he was saying, Brooklyn is Brooklyn now, so he you know,

1088
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,800
Speaker 8: he's very pro Brooklyn. And he said, I remember he

1089
00:52:54,880 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 8: called us and said, yo, man, I love that song.

1090
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 8: Y'all did shouting out all the jazz grades, but y'all

1091
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 8: have out a lot of people. And I was like, well,

1092
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:04,719
Speaker 8: we actually did that for our grandfathers because they win

1093
00:53:04,840 --> 00:53:07,880
Speaker 8: jazz bands and and we did that to dedicate to them,

1094
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 8: because before my grandfather passed, he said, we want you

1095
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,319
Speaker 8: to do a record about about the jazz grades if

1096
00:53:13,360 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 8: you really you know, respect, you know, the music of

1097
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 8: the past. So we did it as a tribute to them.

1098
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 8: We weren't really like, really focusing on it. And it's

1099
00:53:22,440 --> 00:53:24,640
Speaker 8: the only record on there about jazz, you know what

1100
00:53:24,680 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 8: I'm saying. Everything else is the other subject matter. You know,

1101
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,360
Speaker 8: battle rhymes, and Gul's always liked to do battle rhyme stuff. Anyway,

1102
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 8: next thing, you know, they said, well we want you

1103
00:53:35,160 --> 00:53:38,920
Speaker 8: to do a better version of what you did, but

1104
00:53:39,400 --> 00:53:41,480
Speaker 8: we want brand for ourselves to help you do it.

1105
00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:43,920
Speaker 8: And he said, we got a poem by this guy

1106
00:53:44,000 --> 00:53:47,200
Speaker 8: named Eric Eli and it didn't rhyme. But I remember

1107
00:53:47,239 --> 00:53:48,759
Speaker 8: gru looked at the at the run and said, and

1108
00:53:48,840 --> 00:53:51,239
Speaker 8: they don't rhyme. And Spikeel said do it and do

1109
00:53:51,360 --> 00:53:53,919
Speaker 8: whatever you want, but mention those names that you didn't mention.

1110
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:57,839
Speaker 8: Grew just said, you know, Charlie Ming is such number

1111
00:53:57,880 --> 00:54:00,560
Speaker 8: of fingers, you know, just little feeling. Because he had

1112
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,799
Speaker 8: all the names and it was pretty much a done thing.

1113
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 8: He right, Grew writes fast, done and we cut the

1114
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:10,040
Speaker 8: cut the vocal. My original version was the one that's

1115
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 8: in the video.

1116
00:54:12,520 --> 00:54:13,080
Speaker 2: Cool in the game.

1117
00:54:14,080 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 8: That was the demo I presented to say we should

1118
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 8: do it over this with brand from them. They were like, no,

1119
00:54:18,640 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 8: we need instrumentation and we want to make it a broad,

1120
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:24,360
Speaker 8: big thing for the soundtrack. So we did that and

1121
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:27,080
Speaker 8: that's why that version on the soundtrack is very well,

1122
00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:30,480
Speaker 8: it's like a big production. When it came to the video,

1123
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,399
Speaker 8: Spike was like, yo, I want to use your version

1124
00:54:33,480 --> 00:54:36,040
Speaker 8: for the video, which he was like, cool, So we did.

1125
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:39,479
Speaker 8: We did that and then all of a sudden shout

1126
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:44,160
Speaker 8: to uh Duff Marlow saw the video and uh, I

1127
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 8: just reached out to him on Twitter. I just shout

1128
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 8: him out and all of a sudden, I me and

1129
00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,960
Speaker 8: him talking again. You know, he's he's doing well. I

1130
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 8: haven't seen him in years. And he's the one that

1131
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 8: said to get a sign and we got signed to Christmas.

1132
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:59,239
Speaker 10: So then when y'all did the stepping the Arena, which

1133
00:54:59,360 --> 00:55:01,919
Speaker 10: I don't know this, that's the first CD I ever bought,

1134
00:55:02,520 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 10: the long Box and she was like eighteen dollars.

1135
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:11,120
Speaker 2: But no, actually, yeah, sure have a I have a

1136
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:14,640
Speaker 2: reputation for stealing. Yeah, for stealing. In my early days

1137
00:55:14,680 --> 00:55:21,920
Speaker 2: before I found I used to steal cause we skipped

1138
00:55:21,960 --> 00:55:22,239
Speaker 2: that part.

1139
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,880
Speaker 8: We just we we we were all about stealing stereos,

1140
00:55:25,960 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 8: you know, so so and then but then my own

1141
00:55:28,800 --> 00:55:33,960
Speaker 8: friends who used to steal got me. I remember when

1142
00:55:33,960 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 8: I walked out and saw the hole of my door,

1143
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:39,320
Speaker 8: you know, because what it was I used and and

1144
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:41,520
Speaker 8: all that stuff. We used to do, all that stuff, man,

1145
00:55:41,560 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 8: And I was like, dann, they got me from my

1146
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,320
Speaker 8: system because I used to put all the systems in

1147
00:55:46,400 --> 00:55:48,920
Speaker 8: my neighborhood in people's cars. So I was nice with it,

1148
00:55:49,440 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 8: and I was just like, man, they got me, you know,

1149
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 8: I you know, got another one, but yeah I had

1150
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:59,400
Speaker 8: no yeah man, you know yeah. So it stepped in

1151
00:55:59,840 --> 00:56:01,759
Speaker 8: a thieves that that I used to that I used

1152
00:56:01,760 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 8: to rock with and you know, I won't say their names,

1153
00:56:04,680 --> 00:56:08,240
Speaker 8: but uh so and stepping the renal what was because

1154
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:10,480
Speaker 8: that was I remember buying that one. Well I didn't

1155
00:56:10,520 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 8: buy my grandmother bought it for me and I remember no, no,

1156
00:56:16,840 --> 00:56:18,239
Speaker 8: it was like from I think we got it.

1157
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,840
Speaker 2: I think I got it like a Walmart soign. But

1158
00:56:21,520 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 2: but yeah, that was. That was my first CD.

1159
00:56:23,320 --> 00:56:26,839
Speaker 10: And so with that record, from what I could tell,

1160
00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 10: it sounded like the production you were starting to get

1161
00:56:29,280 --> 00:56:29,680
Speaker 10: a better.

1162
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:30,239
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1163
00:56:31,160 --> 00:56:35,800
Speaker 8: Now I wanted the sound to be like the Jungle

1164
00:56:35,880 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 8: Brothers because they worked at Calliope.

1165
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:40,000
Speaker 2: This is what brought me to Calliope for this album.

1166
00:56:40,360 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 2: You went to Calibe. Yeah yeah, okay, like.

1167
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 8: S L E L E E T.

1168
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:51,840
Speaker 2: I remember reading it.

1169
00:56:52,000 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, And it's so crazy because because whenever I wanted

1170
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 8: to do something off and lay it down, he had

1171
00:56:57,800 --> 00:57:01,280
Speaker 8: this thing called the Russian Dragon. So if you're Russian,

1172
00:57:01,440 --> 00:57:04,000
Speaker 8: it will it'll tell you if it's Russian. And if

1173
00:57:04,000 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 8: it's dragging, it'll go dragging. But it's called the Russian Dragon.

1174
00:57:07,239 --> 00:57:09,520
Speaker 8: Had a dragon on the on the front of the thing.

1175
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 8: It was all these lights that that it's a it's

1176
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,440
Speaker 8: a light that's in the middle that's green and if

1177
00:57:14,480 --> 00:57:16,000
Speaker 8: it's rushing, it'll go red and if.

1178
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 2: It's draggon, it'll go yellow.

1179
00:57:17,720 --> 00:57:21,720
Speaker 8: And yeah, you used to turn it to if you

1180
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,040
Speaker 8: if you put it on a track and run it

1181
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 8: through that track, when you turn the dill, it would

1182
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:27,000
Speaker 8: move it for you.

1183
00:57:27,640 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 2: You know. Yeah, it's called the Russian Dragon. What are

1184
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 2: you here for, Steve? You know what I mean?

1185
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:34,880
Speaker 7: That's incredible.

1186
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, what year was that?

1187
00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 8: That was going into ninety two because we were working

1188
00:57:40,400 --> 00:57:45,360
Speaker 8: on daily operation. But as far as this is where, well,

1189
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 8: prior to daily operation, yes, Stepanie Arena, who was all

1190
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,120
Speaker 8: our lead except for Justicett Rebends was still done. It's

1191
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:54,760
Speaker 8: such a sound and firehouse which is your Vazan who

1192
00:57:54,840 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 8: was partners with Slow Moo and they started two studios.

1193
00:57:58,120 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 8: So now it's such a sound and firehouse. And that's

1194
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:02,560
Speaker 8: when King of Chill started to just be feed. He

1195
00:58:02,720 --> 00:58:04,440
Speaker 8: ran fire house pretty much and I was still in

1196
00:58:04,520 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 8: such a sound. But we did just to get a

1197
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:10,160
Speaker 8: rep there and we did say your prayers there and

1198
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:15,600
Speaker 8: we did, uh, what is it boom a street ministry.

1199
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, there it is. That's it. That's it. That's

1200
00:58:20,080 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 2: the Russian drag. That's it.

1201
00:58:22,400 --> 00:58:25,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, we need that so so and I never I

1202
00:58:25,120 --> 00:58:27,160
Speaker 8: was like what the hell is that? But he was like,

1203
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:29,320
Speaker 8: this is how you can move your your track either

1204
00:58:29,400 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 8: forward or bagard was to get it and if you

1205
00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:35,160
Speaker 8: wanted to be a little more off. So so from there, uh,

1206
00:58:35,520 --> 00:58:37,560
Speaker 8: I finally got in a lessons drum machine that could

1207
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:41,600
Speaker 8: trigger my my sampler and h the first beat I

1208
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 8: did was you know, for Cloby, I did step in

1209
00:58:44,480 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 8: the arena because I always wanted to loop that that

1210
00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:50,440
Speaker 8: the horny horns looped it up and Guru wrote that

1211
00:58:50,600 --> 00:58:54,600
Speaker 8: right away we cut it and then uh, from there

1212
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 8: everything just started flowing, man, and I started just getting

1213
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 8: better with understanding because, like I said, now I learned

1214
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 8: how to filter better with Pete and I already knew

1215
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 8: peeting them and Lodge Professor. They taught me how to

1216
00:59:06,000 --> 00:59:08,959
Speaker 8: filter and do all of those things. And show Biz

1217
00:59:09,000 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 8: taught me how to chop and he was like, yo,

1218
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:12,560
Speaker 8: if you put it on the same output, it cuts

1219
00:59:12,600 --> 00:59:15,160
Speaker 8: the sample off and you can do it.

1220
00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:15,919
Speaker 2: I'm like wow.

1221
00:59:16,080 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 8: So then I'm taking all these tools from show Biz

1222
00:59:18,720 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 8: Large Professor and Pete and then applying my way with

1223
00:59:22,080 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 8: the Mallie mentality and the scratching mentality. And I said,

1224
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:29,000
Speaker 8: I want always and all these scratch like I did

1225
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:30,520
Speaker 8: because I want to DJs to be like.

1226
00:59:30,880 --> 00:59:31,919
Speaker 2: You hear what he cut?

1227
00:59:32,240 --> 00:59:35,160
Speaker 8: Because I figured AT's not gonna really care about the

1228
00:59:35,240 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 8: cutting part.

1229
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:36,720
Speaker 2: No, we care.

1230
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:40,000
Speaker 8: You know, you know it's going yo he cut this line.

1231
00:59:40,160 --> 00:59:42,760
Speaker 8: So I knew DJ to be like yo, he's killing

1232
00:59:42,840 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 8: it on the cut. So that's why I did it

1233
00:59:44,760 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 8: for DJs.

1234
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:47,840
Speaker 10: Now you well, it's funny you say it because as

1235
00:59:48,080 --> 00:59:51,360
Speaker 10: MC's for me as a kid listening, it was always

1236
00:59:51,360 --> 00:59:54,600
Speaker 10: dope to me how you would take parts of different songs.

1237
00:59:55,080 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 10: But like, you know, it's almost like a collage, you

1238
00:59:57,240 --> 00:59:58,440
Speaker 10: know what I mean. It was like you would take

1239
00:59:58,480 --> 01:00:00,880
Speaker 10: all these things and put them together. And I remember hearing.

1240
01:00:01,240 --> 01:00:03,840
Speaker 10: I mean, you know, like with mathematics, we took the

1241
01:00:03,880 --> 01:00:06,520
Speaker 10: cut in to do your math pile. I never would

1242
01:00:06,520 --> 01:00:08,960
Speaker 10: have thought unbelievable. With the I was like, what the fuck,

1243
01:00:09,480 --> 01:00:10,160
Speaker 10: why do you do that?

1244
01:00:11,120 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 8: It just comes to me like that as a DJ,

1245
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:17,440
Speaker 8: it's all DJ oriented. Everything for me is DJ orient first,

1246
01:00:17,640 --> 01:00:19,760
Speaker 8: you know, even from what I do as a producer,

1247
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:23,200
Speaker 8: everything is starts from just DJing. Like if I had

1248
01:00:23,280 --> 01:00:25,760
Speaker 8: to pick out of everything I like making, like I

1249
01:00:25,840 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 8: just like DJing.

1250
01:00:33,600 --> 01:00:38,640
Speaker 5: Okay, not that I think you will confirm this question,

1251
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:44,439
Speaker 5: but for the sake of quantizing stuff, do you think,

1252
01:00:44,800 --> 01:00:49,280
Speaker 5: all right, do you think have you ever just especially

1253
01:00:49,280 --> 01:00:53,840
Speaker 5: if it's a sharp cut, just what I call pulling

1254
01:00:54,200 --> 01:00:59,360
Speaker 5: a doctor ice utfo like cut it via your your

1255
01:01:00,320 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 5: n PC or you're through your German machine.

1256
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:09,080
Speaker 2: Oh no for you? Oh yeah, he he'll tell you.

1257
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:13,120
Speaker 8: I'm hard on myself when it comes to laying my strategy.

1258
01:01:13,320 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 2: No, yo, listen, we did We were doing cuts for

1259
01:01:16,160 --> 01:01:18,919
Speaker 2: the breaks, and he was doing what he was doing.

1260
01:01:18,960 --> 01:01:21,440
Speaker 5: We wasn't doing ship. We was watching, but he was

1261
01:01:21,520 --> 01:01:25,320
Speaker 5: doing he was cutting. Uh yeah, yeah, yeah, he's cutting.

1262
01:01:25,440 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 2: I did it with the actual record. Yeah he wasn't.

1263
01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:29,320
Speaker 2: It wasn't it was the real.

1264
01:01:31,440 --> 01:01:33,640
Speaker 8: I could have done the Serado, Yeah why not? And

1265
01:01:33,800 --> 01:01:37,000
Speaker 8: I kept going, I kept going no again again, and

1266
01:01:37,160 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 8: in every take we'd be like I was, I was

1267
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:43,920
Speaker 8: doing like, no, it was just a little again when

1268
01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 8: you were.

1269
01:01:44,200 --> 01:01:53,520
Speaker 5: Going okay, let me just go to pro tools. No no, no, yeah, okay.

1270
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 5: And I was saying to you, but I'm just saying

1271
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:00,160
Speaker 5: I didn't know people even did that. He's still what

1272
01:02:00,280 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 5: mixes like he's only running.

1273
01:02:02,320 --> 01:02:05,440
Speaker 8: Through okay, so that they would see.

1274
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:13,360
Speaker 2: What you're saying. I'm looking at you like i've seen.

1275
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:18,440
Speaker 5: I mean someone someone taught me how to cut, like

1276
01:02:18,560 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 5: I would load whatever I want to cut and scratch

1277
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:24,280
Speaker 5: on stuff or on on what you load.

1278
01:02:26,680 --> 01:02:30,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then two thousands up to But there's a

1279
01:02:30,320 --> 01:02:32,520
Speaker 2: way to make it. How do you scratch it?

1280
01:02:32,960 --> 01:02:35,640
Speaker 5: I mean there's there's I mean you won't get the

1281
01:02:36,960 --> 01:02:42,720
Speaker 5: because sometimes you'll hear product like uh okay for instance,

1282
01:02:42,960 --> 01:02:45,920
Speaker 5: like if you would do like stop yeah yeah.

1283
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 8: Like that because I want people to go, Yo, look

1284
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 8: how he's cutting like that's like I said, it was

1285
01:02:53,720 --> 01:02:54,320
Speaker 8: a DJ thing.

1286
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,720
Speaker 2: Well I want DJ to go. I've seen cats cut

1287
01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:01,280
Speaker 2: via I've never seen all these years.

1288
01:03:01,520 --> 01:03:04,760
Speaker 10: Yeah, he's still like even when we were doing stuff

1289
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 10: like ping, he still works even though it's all digital,

1290
01:03:08,880 --> 01:03:10,600
Speaker 10: he still works like he's on tape.

1291
01:03:11,240 --> 01:03:13,200
Speaker 2: So like it would be nothing.

1292
01:03:13,360 --> 01:03:15,560
Speaker 5: I'd be like, yo, supreme, like you know, we can

1293
01:03:15,640 --> 01:03:17,000
Speaker 5: go in and just He's like, no, no, let me

1294
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:18,720
Speaker 5: punch punch out of your son.

1295
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:26,439
Speaker 8: Yeah, if I go step up, step up, step, I'll

1296
01:03:26,440 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 8: say take it from step and then go step.

1297
01:03:28,840 --> 01:03:32,200
Speaker 2: And I'll go up. Yeah, And it's that precise.

1298
01:03:32,200 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 8: I'd be like, I'll do that, but I have I'm

1299
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:38,400
Speaker 8: always literally on the failure.

1300
01:03:38,560 --> 01:03:43,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, So it's a slight admission time. This

1301
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:54,000
Speaker 5: is my confession. This confession time game plan from Stepanie Rita.

1302
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:06,760
Speaker 5: So back in the early Square Roots days, back when

1303
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:13,840
Speaker 5: we were busting on South Street, we that would this

1304
01:04:13,960 --> 01:04:15,680
Speaker 5: would be one of our like we didn't write our

1305
01:04:15,720 --> 01:04:16,320
Speaker 5: own material.

1306
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:19,400
Speaker 2: We were just like do you know? All right? Do

1307
01:04:19,600 --> 01:04:24,600
Speaker 2: tribe next? But for some reason we used to do

1308
01:04:24,680 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 2: a routine to Static. I never even knew.

1309
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:39,200
Speaker 8: More was the one that said, Yo, you gotta chat

1310
01:04:39,200 --> 01:04:41,560
Speaker 8: out this group the rudes. Like he he brought and

1311
01:04:41,600 --> 01:04:45,920
Speaker 8: brought y'all to me. He was so into y'all from

1312
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:49,160
Speaker 8: the gating and him and re met, you know what

1313
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:49,600
Speaker 8: I'm saying.

1314
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:50,600
Speaker 2: But you know what I'm saying.

1315
01:04:50,640 --> 01:04:54,200
Speaker 8: But he was like, yo, Philly that they they banned,

1316
01:04:54,280 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 8: you know, because we only knew steps and sign against

1317
01:04:56,160 --> 01:04:58,800
Speaker 8: the hip hop band. So you know, he's like, yo,

1318
01:04:58,880 --> 01:05:02,080
Speaker 8: they doped the dope and you know, y'all just man, y'all,

1319
01:05:03,000 --> 01:05:06,440
Speaker 8: y'all have transformed hip hop into its own planet.

1320
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:09,360
Speaker 5: Man, I want to know now right now, you're in

1321
01:05:09,440 --> 01:05:14,720
Speaker 5: like your your second year with Guru. How are you guys,

1322
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 5: because this is an arranged marriage, how are you guys

1323
01:05:19,680 --> 01:05:21,439
Speaker 5: gelling as a unit?

1324
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:23,080
Speaker 2: As a unit?

1325
01:05:23,280 --> 01:05:26,400
Speaker 5: Like you know, is it like he feels that it's

1326
01:05:26,520 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 5: more his band and you're visiting or you know, like,

1327
01:05:31,880 --> 01:05:35,600
Speaker 5: are you guys friends? Offset are you hanging afterwards? Like

1328
01:05:35,720 --> 01:05:38,720
Speaker 5: what's in the first in the in the first two

1329
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:40,840
Speaker 5: years of Gang Star, what's the relationship like.

1330
01:05:41,040 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 8: Both because we lived together, because we live together from

1331
01:05:44,600 --> 01:05:47,240
Speaker 8: the from the moment's a nice guy all the way,

1332
01:05:47,280 --> 01:05:50,440
Speaker 8: too hard to earn. We lived together, y'all lived in well,

1333
01:05:50,480 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 8: we lived in Brooklyn.

1334
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:54,440
Speaker 2: The first we lived in brook in Brooklyn.

1335
01:05:54,920 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 8: Then we moved to one eighty third Street in the Bronx.

1336
01:05:57,160 --> 01:06:01,520
Speaker 8: And that's how I'm at Panche And yeah, that's how

1337
01:06:01,520 --> 01:06:04,160
Speaker 8: I met mel CoA nutcracker, smiley, yellow child. That's how

1338
01:06:04,240 --> 01:06:07,080
Speaker 8: that whole connection from the Bronx happened on one of

1339
01:06:07,160 --> 01:06:09,400
Speaker 8: the third Street because we lived on one of eight

1340
01:06:09,480 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 8: third and Andrews, you know. And that's when I used

1341
01:06:11,360 --> 01:06:15,920
Speaker 8: to see uh ski, I see Dame Dash walking his dogs. Uh,

1342
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:18,000
Speaker 8: that's when jay Z was around a lot, you know,

1343
01:06:18,800 --> 01:06:21,240
Speaker 8: running with Dash. So you know this is where where

1344
01:06:21,280 --> 01:06:23,800
Speaker 8: that that transition seeing Chubby Chubb all the time, you know.

1345
01:06:23,960 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 8: So we all live in the same area era, but

1346
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 8: the area, and but we fought from day one, and

1347
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 8: and but it would be over nonsense, but it never

1348
01:06:36,960 --> 01:06:39,880
Speaker 8: affected the greatness of the songs. Like we we'd be

1349
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:42,560
Speaker 8: fighting and then he's fighting with my dancer, you know,

1350
01:06:42,600 --> 01:06:44,880
Speaker 8: and then they're they're fighting in the hallway of were

1351
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:47,880
Speaker 8: in a grimy building, crackheads all on the same floor,

1352
01:06:48,280 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 8: and they're like, come on, let's go, let's go. And

1353
01:06:50,240 --> 01:06:52,800
Speaker 8: they didn't tearing the room up or tearing the hallway up.

1354
01:06:53,200 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 8: And then next thing you know, we're like, yo, I

1355
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:58,400
Speaker 8: love you man, yo yo. And next thing you know,

1356
01:06:58,520 --> 01:06:59,919
Speaker 8: we're in the lab making another bang.

1357
01:07:00,280 --> 01:07:03,160
Speaker 10: So I'm skipping ahead, I'm skipping it out a little bit. Now,

1358
01:07:03,200 --> 01:07:07,960
Speaker 10: your mind off hard to earn that told me about you.

1359
01:07:08,680 --> 01:07:13,000
Speaker 8: Even know what, Yeah, even though it's basketball's lingo. We

1360
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:15,520
Speaker 8: had just got into a major fight this during this

1361
01:07:15,720 --> 01:07:20,200
Speaker 8: right around that daily operation time. We got into a major, major,

1362
01:07:20,280 --> 01:07:25,440
Speaker 8: major fight. It's very bloody, very messy. And we had

1363
01:07:25,480 --> 01:07:27,760
Speaker 8: already gotten hired to do the song for White Men

1364
01:07:27,840 --> 01:07:31,240
Speaker 8: Can't Can't Jump soundtrack, so you know, the check is

1365
01:07:31,240 --> 01:07:33,720
Speaker 8: already in, the last thing we want to do is

1366
01:07:34,320 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 8: is not do the record. So I remember, I remember

1367
01:07:37,480 --> 01:07:40,320
Speaker 8: grou walked into the the session, bandages on his head

1368
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:43,400
Speaker 8: and everything like that. And he walks in and goes

1369
01:07:43,440 --> 01:07:46,920
Speaker 8: straight to the booth and looks right at me. You know,

1370
01:07:46,960 --> 01:07:49,280
Speaker 8: because the way d n D the what it is

1371
01:07:49,360 --> 01:07:51,480
Speaker 8: with the vocal booth, it's just a slight look to

1372
01:07:51,520 --> 01:07:54,360
Speaker 8: the level. He's the boots right there. He looked at

1373
01:07:54,400 --> 01:07:56,640
Speaker 8: me and just said, you do get there wrong. You

1374
01:07:56,760 --> 01:07:59,000
Speaker 8: never have the skills like mine. And he's just looking

1375
01:07:59,080 --> 01:08:00,240
Speaker 8: right at me, and I'm looking at him. Could we

1376
01:08:00,240 --> 01:08:02,520
Speaker 8: still have a little tension? And I remember when it's

1377
01:08:02,560 --> 01:08:03,360
Speaker 8: when the vocal.

1378
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:04,560
Speaker 2: Was done, he goes, you're good with that?

1379
01:08:04,640 --> 01:08:05,439
Speaker 8: I'm like, yo, it's dope.

1380
01:08:05,480 --> 01:08:10,640
Speaker 2: He goes and fuck you and walks out.

1381
01:08:15,120 --> 01:08:15,280
Speaker 13: You know.

1382
01:08:15,760 --> 01:08:17,400
Speaker 8: A couple of days later it was back to le.

1383
01:08:18,880 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 2: But how did you even know that we had talked

1384
01:08:21,840 --> 01:08:24,439
Speaker 2: about that before? I missed.

1385
01:08:25,880 --> 01:08:27,519
Speaker 8: I missed him so much. And then not only that.

1386
01:08:27,600 --> 01:08:29,360
Speaker 8: I mean, you know, he had a big alcohol problem.

1387
01:08:29,439 --> 01:08:31,479
Speaker 8: He used to flip a lot. Where it's not even

1388
01:08:31,600 --> 01:08:33,920
Speaker 8: just me, you can be I mean, so many people

1389
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:36,280
Speaker 8: in the industry and fans have still come up to

1390
01:08:36,320 --> 01:08:36,600
Speaker 8: me and go.

1391
01:08:36,640 --> 01:08:39,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, Drew, he was drunk and he was cursing, he

1392
01:08:40,080 --> 01:08:42,280
Speaker 2: was lit. Yeah.

1393
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 8: And there's so many stories that are similar to mind,

1394
01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:48,479
Speaker 8: so it's not like just us. This is fans and

1395
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:51,559
Speaker 8: other artists that have witnessed the same thing. But one

1396
01:08:51,640 --> 01:08:55,000
Speaker 8: thing that and you know so dope is even when

1397
01:08:55,080 --> 01:08:57,479
Speaker 8: he would be pissed or in one of his moods,

1398
01:08:57,960 --> 01:08:59,960
Speaker 8: he would go but that's this one thing. I will say,

1399
01:09:00,400 --> 01:09:03,800
Speaker 8: I'm one of the nicest and he would always say that,

1400
01:09:04,800 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 8: oh he go.

1401
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:09,599
Speaker 2: One thing is for sure, nobody get out rhy on me, y'all.

1402
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:10,839
Speaker 8: I don't care how ugly.

1403
01:09:10,680 --> 01:09:12,400
Speaker 2: He was or is.

1404
01:09:12,960 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 8: He would always make that his last hip hop fights.

1405
01:09:17,880 --> 01:09:20,400
Speaker 2: I thought it'd be over like food or a girl

1406
01:09:20,560 --> 01:09:20,920
Speaker 2: or whatever.

1407
01:09:21,520 --> 01:09:23,880
Speaker 8: Just so many things, man, and but we don't.

1408
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 5: He just had issues because you guys kind of came

1409
01:09:28,800 --> 01:09:32,679
Speaker 5: into your prime when this was really a young man's game.

1410
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:36,280
Speaker 5: I mean, at least the perceived you know, I mean,

1411
01:09:36,360 --> 01:09:38,840
Speaker 5: You're said his ageless anyway, But I'm just saying that.

1412
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,240
Speaker 5: You know, most people get ushered in when they're like

1413
01:09:42,360 --> 01:09:44,640
Speaker 5: nineteen twenty twenty one, they're young boys, you know that

1414
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:45,200
Speaker 5: sort of thing.

1415
01:09:45,760 --> 01:09:47,720
Speaker 8: I mean, well, I was at age at that time.

1416
01:09:48,240 --> 01:09:48,920
Speaker 8: I was twenty three.

1417
01:09:48,960 --> 01:09:52,240
Speaker 2: What's the difference. He's uh, he's older than you. Yeah,

1418
01:09:52,240 --> 01:09:54,960
Speaker 2: he's older than you to me. Yeah.

1419
01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 8: So even though the age line happened for several years,

1420
01:09:59,680 --> 01:10:02,320
Speaker 8: you know, which I already knew what his age.

1421
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:09,120
Speaker 5: Was, but significant, man, I never knew he trying to

1422
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:11,800
Speaker 5: hide his age or whatever. He just had such a

1423
01:10:11,920 --> 01:10:16,240
Speaker 5: cool gurus I mean, for those that you know are

1424
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 5: too young to even remember that time period, I mean,

1425
01:10:20,400 --> 01:10:25,679
Speaker 5: Guru's voice it was probably, i'll say, definitely the top

1426
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 5: five most unique voice.

1427
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:32,360
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely, I mean absolutely.

1428
01:10:32,479 --> 01:10:35,559
Speaker 5: Just as far as delivery, Like you know, I put

1429
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:37,200
Speaker 5: him up there with Snoop's.

1430
01:10:36,800 --> 01:10:39,719
Speaker 2: Voice, tips voice, be Real's voice.

1431
01:10:40,680 --> 01:10:45,400
Speaker 5: Uh, even at Rock's voice has a very unique correct

1432
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:46,519
Speaker 5: you know, so crazy.

1433
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:49,680
Speaker 8: I didn't know his real age either until we went

1434
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:52,080
Speaker 8: back to Boston to go do promo for one of

1435
01:10:52,120 --> 01:10:55,799
Speaker 8: our albums and h ed Og and the Bulldogs was shooting.

1436
01:10:55,840 --> 01:10:57,320
Speaker 8: I got to have a video in the back of

1437
01:10:57,400 --> 01:11:00,720
Speaker 8: the store, so like, g was it? And and uh,

1438
01:11:01,000 --> 01:11:02,360
Speaker 8: why don't you all come in because we knew the

1439
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 8: awesome too. Everybody knew Gangster by that time. But we

1440
01:11:05,120 --> 01:11:07,080
Speaker 8: went around the corner to be in the video, which

1441
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:09,760
Speaker 8: we were in it, and uh, a kid walks up

1442
01:11:09,760 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 8: and goes, hey, mister Elm remember me. And I'm sitting

1443
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:16,560
Speaker 8: there like, why is this kid calling him? So I'm like,

1444
01:11:17,280 --> 01:11:18,880
Speaker 8: why are you calling him? Mislim? He said he was

1445
01:11:18,960 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 8: my teacher. Wow, great dish. That's when I was like,

1446
01:11:29,120 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 8: just tell me what they do so I know. Even

1447
01:11:30,800 --> 01:11:32,559
Speaker 8: if I got a live for you, I just want

1448
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 8: to know so I know, you know. And then we

1449
01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:36,000
Speaker 8: all got our story straight.

1450
01:11:41,320 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 5: When did when did y'all start? Because I okay, so

1451
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:47,160
Speaker 5: no one missed and no miss I got daily operation.

1452
01:11:47,560 --> 01:11:50,360
Speaker 5: I remember that follow up that seemed to come kind

1453
01:11:50,400 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 5: of quick after.

1454
01:11:51,560 --> 01:11:52,559
Speaker 2: Uh yeah.

1455
01:11:52,720 --> 01:11:56,120
Speaker 8: After that was during the time where you come out

1456
01:11:56,120 --> 01:11:58,960
Speaker 8: with an album. Every year you're doing an album, you tour,

1457
01:12:00,040 --> 01:12:01,600
Speaker 8: come home, get the next budget.

1458
01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 5: And so with that, uh, the budgets kept well wait

1459
01:12:04,960 --> 01:12:08,320
Speaker 5: a minute, but this is one thing though, you guys

1460
01:12:08,439 --> 01:12:12,400
Speaker 5: didn't because by this point you're with Patrick Moxy and

1461
01:12:12,560 --> 01:12:19,360
Speaker 5: I know hismo is tour right, because you guys were

1462
01:12:19,400 --> 01:12:23,160
Speaker 5: the only people I ever saw going to the same

1463
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 5: places that because because our radio played ship was down

1464
01:12:29,439 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 5: and we weren't on TV. Management was like, yo, we

1465
01:12:32,479 --> 01:12:34,640
Speaker 5: gotta go on the road, and so we got a

1466
01:12:34,760 --> 01:12:37,280
Speaker 5: lot of our gigs based on the acts that wouldn't

1467
01:12:37,280 --> 01:12:39,560
Speaker 5: go blah blah blah cancels.

1468
01:12:39,240 --> 01:12:43,639
Speaker 2: To do that. But you guys were always on the road. Yeah.

1469
01:12:44,040 --> 01:12:47,280
Speaker 8: But Patrick tru is British, even though he speaks American English,

1470
01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:49,479
Speaker 8: so he doesn't have an accent, but he's British. And

1471
01:12:49,840 --> 01:12:51,720
Speaker 8: all of our staff Neel used to be who all

1472
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:54,760
Speaker 8: and the top executives now shout all of them, uh

1473
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:58,760
Speaker 8: they they were all uh part of his team. So

1474
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:01,519
Speaker 8: that's why that's why I knew so much slang. Like

1475
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:03,760
Speaker 8: even to this day, I still go fucking hell, And

1476
01:13:05,200 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 8: I'm so used to hearing that in the office so

1477
01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:10,000
Speaker 8: much that that's normal for me to respond to a

1478
01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:11,599
Speaker 8: certain things like are you serious, man?

1479
01:13:11,680 --> 01:13:12,200
Speaker 2: Fucking hell?

1480
01:13:12,320 --> 01:13:16,160
Speaker 8: Like it just it just rolls off the tongue that naturally.

1481
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:20,560
Speaker 5: Speaking of tour, you must give the QLs listeners the

1482
01:13:20,680 --> 01:13:26,639
Speaker 5: Gang Star Father mc DJ Quick Tour story, The towels.

1483
01:13:27,680 --> 01:13:29,720
Speaker 2: I can't wait for this. I never heard it. This

1484
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:33,120
Speaker 2: is the most gangs ever all with the towels. Oh

1485
01:13:33,600 --> 01:13:34,040
Speaker 2: my god.

1486
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:39,720
Speaker 8: I tour EPMD three years ninety one. Yeah, EPMD ass

1487
01:13:39,840 --> 01:13:41,479
Speaker 8: is to tour with them, just when Jessica repe is

1488
01:13:41,560 --> 01:13:45,000
Speaker 8: very hot and U because Jessica Rep came out ninety

1489
01:13:45,040 --> 01:13:46,439
Speaker 8: if you look at the twelve and just at nineteen

1490
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:50,519
Speaker 8: ninety seventy arena the album came out ninety one, EPMD

1491
01:13:50,560 --> 01:13:52,479
Speaker 8: as to go on tour wheeling. We were so ecstatic,

1492
01:13:52,640 --> 01:13:54,759
Speaker 8: like wow, I drove my own vand with my MPV

1493
01:13:55,400 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 8: it was me DApp Gordon Guru and we had a

1494
01:13:59,520 --> 01:14:01,800
Speaker 8: nine millim meeter and a whole bunch of beer. You know,

1495
01:14:01,880 --> 01:14:03,519
Speaker 8: we were hining and freaks back.

1496
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:08,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, the premiere van, Yeah, the one we all used

1497
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:12,000
Speaker 2: to tell so you weren't renting, we can afford it.

1498
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:13,400
Speaker 8: We couldn't afford to get.

1499
01:14:13,320 --> 01:14:13,760
Speaker 2: A bus yet.

1500
01:14:13,760 --> 01:14:15,000
Speaker 8: You know that was a big, big paper and we

1501
01:14:15,000 --> 01:14:17,280
Speaker 8: wouldn't get into a support at that time. We didn't

1502
01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:21,080
Speaker 8: get to support until the second until Daily Operation. Then

1503
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:22,880
Speaker 8: we were getting to a support.

1504
01:14:22,800 --> 01:14:23,240
Speaker 2: All the time.

1505
01:14:24,800 --> 01:14:27,840
Speaker 8: They still do to a support for artists, probably not well.

1506
01:14:27,800 --> 01:14:29,880
Speaker 5: Now it's three sixty deals where they just pay for

1507
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:36,320
Speaker 5: everything and your Yeah, so is DJ Quick.

1508
01:14:36,520 --> 01:14:39,080
Speaker 8: He was brand new. He's like the first blood wrap

1509
01:14:39,560 --> 01:14:42,000
Speaker 8: ever seen it. I only knew crips, so it was

1510
01:14:42,080 --> 01:14:46,640
Speaker 8: DJ Quick, Uh for them, See Mary J. Blige was

1511
01:14:46,680 --> 01:14:48,439
Speaker 8: with us for a little while as a backup singer,

1512
01:14:48,800 --> 01:14:51,120
Speaker 8: you know, with with for them, they were all label mates.

1513
01:14:52,080 --> 01:14:55,120
Speaker 8: Uh Chubb Rock, that's from. That's when Poke was just

1514
01:14:55,200 --> 01:15:00,840
Speaker 8: the DJ before before Yeah and and Gangstar. So we're

1515
01:15:00,880 --> 01:15:03,840
Speaker 8: on the tour and uh, Father them c used to

1516
01:15:03,960 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 8: always be late to the gigs where he would have

1517
01:15:07,080 --> 01:15:08,760
Speaker 8: to because DJ Quick is supposed to go on right

1518
01:15:08,800 --> 01:15:10,640
Speaker 8: for you pm D because the markets we were in,

1519
01:15:11,040 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 8: he was bigger, you know, so the lineup goes in

1520
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:16,559
Speaker 8: the order of how pop popping you are, so obviously

1521
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:19,400
Speaker 8: even pm D was the biggest, but you know, so

1522
01:15:19,640 --> 01:15:22,600
Speaker 8: fatherm Se was always robbed late where Quick wa have

1523
01:15:22,680 --> 01:15:24,439
Speaker 8: to go on so that it doesn't keep a lagging

1524
01:15:24,640 --> 01:15:27,560
Speaker 8: in the in the show. And then uh, Fallom is

1525
01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:30,280
Speaker 8: closer to the He got to a point where everybody

1526
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:32,120
Speaker 8: was getting frustrated where it was like, yeah, we gotta

1527
01:15:32,160 --> 01:15:35,280
Speaker 8: say something to him, and uh, you know, words was

1528
01:15:35,360 --> 01:15:37,920
Speaker 8: said where he was like Yo, if you don't keep starting,

1529
01:15:37,960 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 8: keep coming late, we're gonna have a problem, you know,

1530
01:15:40,840 --> 01:15:43,679
Speaker 8: flat out. So it got to a point where once

1531
01:15:43,760 --> 01:15:46,960
Speaker 8: he uh started, he started coming on tom and uh,

1532
01:15:47,080 --> 01:15:51,240
Speaker 8: everything was cool but Quick but Quick was like, all right,

1533
01:15:51,560 --> 01:15:54,080
Speaker 8: let me uh, let me show you this, this cat

1534
01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:57,679
Speaker 8: out how big my strength is. Because every show after

1535
01:15:57,880 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 8: Quick would get off stage. He used to doing met

1536
01:16:00,160 --> 01:16:02,639
Speaker 8: and Greek, and you know, meet and greets were really

1537
01:16:02,680 --> 01:16:04,920
Speaker 8: a new thing for us at that time, right after

1538
01:16:05,000 --> 01:16:07,280
Speaker 8: the show. And then plus Quick was so new, you

1539
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:10,000
Speaker 8: know for us because everybody knew e PMD, everybody knew

1540
01:16:10,040 --> 01:16:12,439
Speaker 8: Chubb Rock at the time. And uh and like I said,

1541
01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:15,640
Speaker 8: we were popping with our our records. But man, uh

1542
01:16:16,200 --> 01:16:20,920
Speaker 8: the line for Quick was that crazy to just get

1543
01:16:21,120 --> 01:16:25,080
Speaker 8: you know, the glossy promo pictures signed and he taking.

1544
01:16:24,920 --> 01:16:27,040
Speaker 2: A picture of the lobby or this is backstage.

1545
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:30,160
Speaker 8: But after the whole thing with father them, she got

1546
01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:31,960
Speaker 8: out of hand where they were like, yo, you know

1547
01:16:32,120 --> 01:16:33,960
Speaker 8: this just got to stop it again. He started coming

1548
01:16:34,000 --> 01:16:37,040
Speaker 8: on time, but just to get back at him, Quick

1549
01:16:37,600 --> 01:16:41,000
Speaker 8: had it. Security got the security team by a whole bag,

1550
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:43,720
Speaker 8: like garbage bag full of towels, like the little ones

1551
01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:45,720
Speaker 8: that you twirl at football games and stuff like that.

1552
01:16:46,560 --> 01:16:49,160
Speaker 8: So all of a sudden, Father Them Sea goes on

1553
01:16:49,280 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 8: stage and there's like a big ruckets in the crowd,

1554
01:16:51,479 --> 01:16:54,120
Speaker 8: and everybody's like wondering what's going on. And you look

1555
01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:56,040
Speaker 8: at you know, because we've already performed. So we're hanging

1556
01:16:56,080 --> 01:16:59,719
Speaker 8: out and we're watching, and we looked and DJ Quick

1557
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:04,760
Speaker 8: is wiping his Jerry curl with the towels and then

1558
01:17:04,880 --> 01:17:11,320
Speaker 8: passing them to the girls, so they're you know, that's

1559
01:17:11,400 --> 01:17:13,240
Speaker 8: distracting everybody watching.

1560
01:17:15,000 --> 01:17:15,760
Speaker 2: I was waving like.

1561
01:17:19,479 --> 01:17:22,479
Speaker 8: He's wiping this Jerry curl and the girls like, oh God,

1562
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:30,439
Speaker 8: wipe his face. You know, he wiped his face, you know.

1563
01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:33,280
Speaker 8: And and the security team was all from Saint Louis.

1564
01:17:33,360 --> 01:17:36,640
Speaker 8: He went to a show in Saint Louis. He went

1565
01:17:36,680 --> 01:17:38,080
Speaker 8: to show in Saint Louis and loved the way that

1566
01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:41,479
Speaker 8: the security team was handling the crowd. That he hired

1567
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:44,439
Speaker 8: everybody that worked at that club, so they shut the

1568
01:17:44,479 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 8: club down for that period of time while that whole.

1569
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:48,160
Speaker 2: Security team went on toy.

1570
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:50,040
Speaker 8: He got got them an r V of their own,

1571
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:52,200
Speaker 8: and they rode in that r V with the security

1572
01:17:52,240 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 8: team and they were because he was having a lot

1573
01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:59,320
Speaker 8: of problems with gang bangers and stuff. It was heavy. Yeah,

1574
01:18:00,120 --> 01:18:02,320
Speaker 8: people were like fuck quick, fun quick and stuff like that.

1575
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:04,640
Speaker 8: And we were riding with him because you know, he's

1576
01:18:04,680 --> 01:18:07,320
Speaker 8: part of our tour and we were both we're a family,

1577
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:10,000
Speaker 8: so we you know, and then everything turned out cool

1578
01:18:10,040 --> 01:18:11,639
Speaker 8: with all them. See it was we were always cool

1579
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:13,880
Speaker 8: with him anyway. It was just stop coming late, you know,

1580
01:18:14,000 --> 01:18:18,040
Speaker 8: just because you want to, you know, different. But everything

1581
01:18:18,120 --> 01:18:19,920
Speaker 8: ended up being a cool tour. Everybody got along with

1582
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:22,040
Speaker 8: all them. See he's a great dude and big up

1583
01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:22,519
Speaker 8: to him too.

1584
01:18:22,680 --> 01:18:29,720
Speaker 5: You know. Can I ask you, because I mean, you're

1585
01:18:29,880 --> 01:18:35,920
Speaker 5: one of the few luminaries that has pretty much been

1586
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:41,400
Speaker 5: privy to and active in every era of postmodern hip

1587
01:18:41,439 --> 01:18:46,960
Speaker 5: hop touring. You were there for the early nineties, right

1588
01:18:47,000 --> 01:18:49,680
Speaker 5: when like MTV raps was ramping up in America and

1589
01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:51,880
Speaker 5: a whole new thing. You were there for like the

1590
01:18:51,960 --> 01:18:55,240
Speaker 5: alternative tours. You again, you hit Europe and all those

1591
01:18:55,280 --> 01:18:59,280
Speaker 5: other spots you still tour to this day when you

1592
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:03,920
Speaker 5: think of, ah, those were the days, like that's real touring.

1593
01:19:05,960 --> 01:19:08,240
Speaker 5: What where does your mind instantly go.

1594
01:19:08,320 --> 01:19:10,320
Speaker 8: To from those days?

1595
01:19:10,439 --> 01:19:13,400
Speaker 2: Because you I feel like you've toured more than the

1596
01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:19,240
Speaker 2: average cat and hip hop and various.

1597
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:22,880
Speaker 5: You know, on your own whatever, Like when do you

1598
01:19:23,160 --> 01:19:27,559
Speaker 5: have is it fond memories when you're in the van

1599
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:29,720
Speaker 5: driving or is it like, oh, when we got tour

1600
01:19:29,800 --> 01:19:33,200
Speaker 5: buses that was the time, or is it like what

1601
01:19:33,920 --> 01:19:34,880
Speaker 5: are the glory days for you?

1602
01:19:35,080 --> 01:19:35,719
Speaker 2: Like hek tour?

1603
01:19:36,160 --> 01:19:39,639
Speaker 8: Really really for us was when we did London because

1604
01:19:39,800 --> 01:19:42,960
Speaker 8: we were told and you know, London is the New York.

1605
01:19:42,840 --> 01:19:45,680
Speaker 2: Of Europe, and well not even cities. I just been

1606
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:47,679
Speaker 2: like era oh.

1607
01:19:48,760 --> 01:19:54,840
Speaker 8: Ninety two Daily Operation really so early. Yeah, that's when

1608
01:19:54,880 --> 01:19:57,760
Speaker 8: we brought jay Rwe and Dad and I even seen

1609
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:00,280
Speaker 8: jay Rue dismantle a guy that pulled a gun in

1610
01:20:00,360 --> 01:20:02,600
Speaker 8: the audience and he was able to dismantle him and

1611
01:20:02,680 --> 01:20:04,200
Speaker 8: take the gun and the guy get and got it

1612
01:20:04,240 --> 01:20:06,040
Speaker 8: from him, and then we took it on our bus

1613
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 8: and was like, I got an old video footage. I

1614
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:15,880
Speaker 8: got video footage, footage footage. Oh yeah, we got hundreds

1615
01:20:15,880 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 8: of tapes.

1616
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:17,000
Speaker 2: What you're gonna do with that?

1617
01:20:17,920 --> 01:20:23,280
Speaker 8: Uh, to be continued safety in a safe place.

1618
01:20:23,439 --> 01:20:24,080
Speaker 2: That's the good thing.

1619
01:20:24,520 --> 01:20:27,599
Speaker 10: Was the from Daily Operation on like and then which

1620
01:20:27,640 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 10: I'll hit hard to earn when was the was hard earned?

1621
01:20:31,320 --> 01:20:34,360
Speaker 2: Kind of like the pay dirt moment, like the records.

1622
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:36,560
Speaker 8: Now were the headliner and we it was it was

1623
01:20:36,800 --> 01:20:40,640
Speaker 8: it was gangstar m O P, Nas and uh and

1624
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:44,280
Speaker 8: Uh Gangster m P Nos and J was damaged because

1625
01:20:44,320 --> 01:20:47,080
Speaker 8: Jay we was popping. M P was really popping, starting

1626
01:20:47,120 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 8: to pop with out with the first album. They didn't

1627
01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:51,240
Speaker 8: even have the second album out, but they were they

1628
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:54,080
Speaker 8: We took them on tour because we we became really

1629
01:20:54,120 --> 01:20:57,479
Speaker 8: close friends. And then UH Nas was only on the

1630
01:20:57,560 --> 01:21:00,120
Speaker 8: tour for like three shows, and then it uh his

1631
01:21:00,360 --> 01:21:02,880
Speaker 8: manager who was l O Cool. Jay's manager was like,

1632
01:21:02,960 --> 01:21:05,280
Speaker 8: you know, Nods is too big for y'all. We're taking

1633
01:21:05,320 --> 01:21:05,719
Speaker 8: them off.

1634
01:21:05,600 --> 01:21:08,200
Speaker 2: The tour and we're like, what do you mean. He's like, hey,

1635
01:21:08,280 --> 01:21:10,360
Speaker 2: he's too big for y'all. We were pissed.

1636
01:21:11,920 --> 01:21:13,479
Speaker 8: No, this is when O Madic had just come out.

1637
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:22,320
Speaker 8: I got foot lyrics, I have footage, but but it

1638
01:21:22,520 --> 01:21:24,400
Speaker 8: was like just like, Yo, how you gonna do that?

1639
01:21:24,439 --> 01:21:27,360
Speaker 8: And it's not it's not Nods, it's the management, but uh,

1640
01:21:27,840 --> 01:21:30,160
Speaker 8: but it was just like you know, we we just

1641
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:32,200
Speaker 8: felt like that was a slap in our face because

1642
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 8: we asked Nods to be on it and we were like, Yo,

1643
01:21:35,400 --> 01:21:37,280
Speaker 8: this is gonna be a good, good look before he

1644
01:21:37,439 --> 01:21:40,240
Speaker 8: does get getting ready to do his own thing. But

1645
01:21:40,880 --> 01:21:42,760
Speaker 8: you know, we weren't even salty in him. It was

1646
01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:45,760
Speaker 8: just his manager. So he did three shows. I got

1647
01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:47,479
Speaker 8: all the footage of the shows. He tore it up

1648
01:21:47,479 --> 01:21:49,720
Speaker 8: because that's from New York state of mind. It just

1649
01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:53,000
Speaker 8: bubbled in the street and it was heavy and having

1650
01:21:53,120 --> 01:21:53,759
Speaker 8: him open.

1651
01:21:53,640 --> 01:21:59,360
Speaker 5: Up to a big deal can uh okay before I

1652
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:03,360
Speaker 5: are at the Dwick questions, because I feel like Dwyck

1653
01:22:03,560 --> 01:22:07,080
Speaker 5: was the the real turning point of you guys blossom

1654
01:22:07,120 --> 01:22:07,880
Speaker 5: into it, you know.

1655
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:09,280
Speaker 2: For the group.

1656
01:22:10,160 --> 01:22:14,519
Speaker 5: However, you guys are also on uh nice and spooze

1657
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:17,240
Speaker 5: and the damn thing change right down the line, down

1658
01:22:17,240 --> 01:22:17,559
Speaker 5: the line?

1659
01:22:17,560 --> 01:22:20,040
Speaker 2: Did you produce down the line? No? Did you cut

1660
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:24,120
Speaker 2: on down the line? Yes? Okay? Who produced it? Greg Nice?

1661
01:22:24,920 --> 01:22:26,639
Speaker 8: Greg Nice makes it makes the beats.

1662
01:22:26,720 --> 01:22:31,400
Speaker 5: Here's the funny thing, though, because I always felt that

1663
01:22:32,200 --> 01:22:34,840
Speaker 5: Greg Nice did not know who you guys were as

1664
01:22:34,920 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 5: you were doing it.

1665
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:37,799
Speaker 2: My man, exactly.

1666
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:44,040
Speaker 8: Yeah, so that's actually Howler through Greg Nice.

1667
01:22:44,360 --> 01:22:44,599
Speaker 2: Really.

1668
01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:47,320
Speaker 8: Oh well, yeah, so we got old history.

1669
01:22:47,880 --> 01:22:49,640
Speaker 2: But what this is what happened or did he just

1670
01:22:49,760 --> 01:22:51,400
Speaker 2: not correctly? This is what it was.

1671
01:22:51,880 --> 01:22:54,439
Speaker 8: That's why they used to work at power Play and

1672
01:22:54,800 --> 01:22:56,880
Speaker 8: everybody knows you know, paid him full was done there

1673
01:22:56,880 --> 01:23:00,439
Speaker 8: and you know, uh I saw I witnessed large Professor

1674
01:23:00,560 --> 01:23:04,360
Speaker 8: do uh wanted Dead Alive Coolie rap album? Yeah, I

1675
01:23:04,520 --> 01:23:06,640
Speaker 8: was there to watch all those sessions. Well, you know,

1676
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:09,120
Speaker 8: I was just like, wow, look at g Rapp and

1677
01:23:09,800 --> 01:23:12,200
Speaker 8: he's always goes hold on, I got to spit and

1678
01:23:12,320 --> 01:23:17,320
Speaker 8: he's spitting literally, yeah, lyrics, spit on the ground and

1679
01:23:17,360 --> 01:23:19,920
Speaker 8: then he would and then he they punched me in

1680
01:23:20,000 --> 01:23:22,080
Speaker 8: and he would boom, just go, go, go, go go.

1681
01:23:22,320 --> 01:23:27,120
Speaker 5: You know, yeah, I was gonna say, what magical? What

1682
01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:29,479
Speaker 5: sessions have you witnessed that you were there for?

1683
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:34,559
Speaker 8: Like Dead Alive really shout the you know, Polo will

1684
01:23:34,640 --> 01:23:40,360
Speaker 8: be there and Drew uh oh man, oh my god

1685
01:23:40,800 --> 01:23:45,519
Speaker 8: he lives in Texas. Now Drew what's his DJ name?

1686
01:23:47,520 --> 01:23:49,960
Speaker 8: He's part of the early X men.

1687
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:54,360
Speaker 2: Oh my god? You know what is Drew's name?

1688
01:23:54,960 --> 01:23:55,080
Speaker 11: Uh?

1689
01:23:56,120 --> 01:23:57,040
Speaker 2: Damn? Now is killing me?

1690
01:23:58,400 --> 01:23:58,559
Speaker 11: Uh?

1691
01:23:59,560 --> 01:24:03,320
Speaker 2: Drew whose name is? We'll come back to me.

1692
01:24:04,479 --> 01:24:07,360
Speaker 8: But just being there to see that go down, you know,

1693
01:24:07,479 --> 01:24:09,760
Speaker 8: one of their allows, one of the dopest COULDI rap

1694
01:24:09,840 --> 01:24:10,439
Speaker 8: albums ever?

1695
01:24:11,080 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 2: In every song, every song, you know, so so you

1696
01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:17,639
Speaker 2: there to witness the whole process. Were you next door

1697
01:24:17,720 --> 01:24:18,320
Speaker 2: to them or was.

1698
01:24:18,479 --> 01:24:20,479
Speaker 8: No lodge fessel Now you know, we all hung out

1699
01:24:20,560 --> 01:24:23,640
Speaker 8: so large, like come with me to the sessions, very

1700
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:26,400
Speaker 8: b walk in with the big cable and we just

1701
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:28,600
Speaker 8: like this, there he is there, he is.

1702
01:24:29,320 --> 01:24:32,080
Speaker 2: There, he is. Was it easy for you guys to

1703
01:24:32,200 --> 01:24:35,280
Speaker 2: get initiated in the.

1704
01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:40,240
Speaker 5: And I mean, well no, Actually, you know what Chucky did,

1705
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:42,680
Speaker 5: make you a part of the extra strinth prose, like

1706
01:24:42,760 --> 01:24:45,360
Speaker 5: Chuck these thank you on all public albums.

1707
01:24:47,320 --> 01:24:49,880
Speaker 2: Like to be the extra strength. I used to how

1708
01:24:49,920 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 2: they come with the fulled out paper in the exactly.

1709
01:24:53,240 --> 01:24:58,479
Speaker 5: So I mean, how how long was it before you guys?

1710
01:24:58,560 --> 01:25:01,799
Speaker 5: Were you guys just instantly like welcome wherever you came.

1711
01:25:01,680 --> 01:25:04,080
Speaker 8: In, Like oh yeah, yeah, I remember when we couldn't

1712
01:25:04,120 --> 01:25:06,719
Speaker 8: get in the clubs and all of a sudden, manifest

1713
01:25:06,800 --> 01:25:09,760
Speaker 8: came out. Those same security girls like and they would

1714
01:25:09,800 --> 01:25:12,680
Speaker 8: call again to call Gurgle gangstar, gangstar, come on in,

1715
01:25:13,360 --> 01:25:16,080
Speaker 8: you know yeah, and you know, but they knew we

1716
01:25:16,200 --> 01:25:18,479
Speaker 8: were both gang star, but they would call him gangstar.

1717
01:25:18,560 --> 01:25:21,479
Speaker 8: And but we now we're getting into every hot club

1718
01:25:21,560 --> 01:25:22,320
Speaker 8: that's hard to get in.

1719
01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:23,439
Speaker 2: It was automatic.

1720
01:25:23,560 --> 01:25:26,200
Speaker 8: We were like wow and we'd be like thirty forty

1721
01:25:26,280 --> 01:25:27,560
Speaker 8: deep and everybody got in.

1722
01:25:28,160 --> 01:25:30,960
Speaker 2: Wow. So yeah, because unless it was Patrick's club.

1723
01:25:31,040 --> 01:25:33,400
Speaker 8: It was Patrick's Club at the Pay at the Powerhouse,

1724
01:25:33,760 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 8: which was the big club of that during the early nineties,

1725
01:25:36,720 --> 01:25:38,120
Speaker 8: we were one hundred deep, we got in.

1726
01:25:39,360 --> 01:25:39,519
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1727
01:25:39,560 --> 01:25:45,120
Speaker 5: I always think of that because syliloically of Chaos. True story,

1728
01:25:45,720 --> 01:25:49,760
Speaker 5: it's I imagine because he's so descriptive with it.

1729
01:25:50,240 --> 01:25:50,760
Speaker 2: True story.

1730
01:25:51,120 --> 01:25:53,840
Speaker 5: It is so rare because you guys are at least

1731
01:25:53,880 --> 01:25:57,479
Speaker 5: what you represent musically, and I know it's street, I

1732
01:25:57,560 --> 01:26:02,120
Speaker 5: know it's true to the boom, but there is a mellow,

1733
01:26:03,800 --> 01:26:07,719
Speaker 5: kind of calming, non aggressiveness about Gangstar.

1734
01:26:08,720 --> 01:26:13,320
Speaker 2: But you guys rolled like we were wild. Five Carl like, yeah,

1735
01:26:13,360 --> 01:26:13,960
Speaker 2: we were wild.

1736
01:26:14,240 --> 01:26:17,880
Speaker 8: We were really wild. I mean our house was literally

1737
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:21,439
Speaker 8: like a frat house. Easy Mob will tell you, Gizzl

1738
01:26:21,479 --> 01:26:23,920
Speaker 8: will tell your Rizzle will tell you they were there real.

1739
01:26:24,200 --> 01:26:28,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Like our house was a wild house. Rage.

1740
01:26:28,680 --> 01:26:30,519
Speaker 8: But just before, I remember, Rage wanted me to do

1741
01:26:30,600 --> 01:26:33,000
Speaker 8: her demos and she was like, loop up this, Michael Jackson.

1742
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:34,240
Speaker 2: I'm like, no, you need to do.

1743
01:26:35,760 --> 01:26:38,240
Speaker 8: And she's like, you know what, ain't nobody help me

1744
01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:40,360
Speaker 8: out here. I'm going to I'm gonna find Doctor Dre.

1745
01:26:41,040 --> 01:26:43,320
Speaker 8: And she goes, I'm gonna move away, and she fan.

1746
01:26:43,760 --> 01:26:47,599
Speaker 8: We did a stepping arena tour and we did LA

1747
01:26:47,680 --> 01:26:50,840
Speaker 8: at the Palladium, the same palladium on off sunset and

1748
01:26:51,040 --> 01:26:53,679
Speaker 8: she was doing security with the yellow jackets and security

1749
01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:55,720
Speaker 8: on the back, you know. And she was like, yo,

1750
01:26:56,320 --> 01:26:57,920
Speaker 8: I met up with Doctor Dre. He's starting a new

1751
01:26:58,000 --> 01:26:59,880
Speaker 8: label called Death Row and he signed me.

1752
01:27:00,439 --> 01:27:01,760
Speaker 2: And I was like for real.

1753
01:27:01,880 --> 01:27:05,599
Speaker 8: She goes, yes, we were about to watch so yeah,

1754
01:27:06,240 --> 01:27:08,320
Speaker 8: she was with Nikki D. She used to sleep on

1755
01:27:08,400 --> 01:27:11,519
Speaker 8: the couch at Chunk King. She a place to stay.

1756
01:27:11,600 --> 01:27:18,720
Speaker 8: So she's born. She's yeah, yeah, and uh and uh

1757
01:27:19,040 --> 01:27:19,760
Speaker 8: it did I was.

1758
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:20,880
Speaker 2: It was her Nikki D.

1759
01:27:21,040 --> 01:27:24,080
Speaker 8: And Nikki's sister used to call a terrible t and

1760
01:27:24,240 --> 01:27:26,680
Speaker 8: I met rage because Nikki D. You know, it was

1761
01:27:26,720 --> 01:27:29,600
Speaker 8: the first female on Death Jam. We went to the

1762
01:27:29,680 --> 01:27:32,360
Speaker 8: release party for her and we knew we all we

1763
01:27:32,400 --> 01:27:35,599
Speaker 8: all knew each other. But they need to ride home

1764
01:27:35,680 --> 01:27:37,760
Speaker 8: and I had the m p V and and we

1765
01:27:38,000 --> 01:27:41,760
Speaker 8: just got the step in thee arena test press cassette

1766
01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:44,679
Speaker 8: to make sure it sounded good. We ne CDs weren't

1767
01:27:44,680 --> 01:27:47,320
Speaker 8: ready yet, and uh, you know, to test those out

1768
01:27:48,120 --> 01:27:50,240
Speaker 8: before we were before were going to put them into production.

1769
01:27:50,880 --> 01:27:52,800
Speaker 2: And I had precisely the right.

1770
01:27:52,800 --> 01:27:56,200
Speaker 8: Rhymes, which was my jam where I used the Brethren drums,

1771
01:27:56,240 --> 01:28:00,479
Speaker 8: and I had that fifty hertz uh eight away which.

1772
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:05,120
Speaker 2: Is said, if you ever get here, you're right right.

1773
01:28:06,320 --> 01:28:08,640
Speaker 8: I'm giving them a ride home. Right when they get

1774
01:28:08,680 --> 01:28:11,439
Speaker 8: in the car, I said, y'all might about listening to something.

1775
01:28:11,720 --> 01:28:13,000
Speaker 8: My new album is about to come out, and they

1776
01:28:13,000 --> 01:28:13,920
Speaker 8: were like, yeah, go ahead and play it.

1777
01:28:14,600 --> 01:28:15,519
Speaker 2: When that when that.

1778
01:28:16,040 --> 01:28:24,280
Speaker 8: Base said, Raige goes, I turned around, like she goes

1779
01:28:24,360 --> 01:28:25,400
Speaker 8: that eight o eight?

1780
01:28:25,479 --> 01:28:28,320
Speaker 2: I said, what you know about eight o eight? Play

1781
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:28,960
Speaker 2: it again?

1782
01:28:29,120 --> 01:28:32,439
Speaker 8: You know, almost like it was making a horny. She'll

1783
01:28:32,479 --> 01:28:35,000
Speaker 8: tell you the same story. She'll tell you like yo.

1784
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:37,640
Speaker 2: She was like oh, And I was like yo. By

1785
01:28:37,800 --> 01:28:38,320
Speaker 2: you know about that?

1786
01:28:38,360 --> 01:28:40,479
Speaker 8: She goes to work at chun King, he said, you know,

1787
01:28:40,760 --> 01:28:42,799
Speaker 8: I'm always there, you know, seeing him do the process.

1788
01:28:43,479 --> 01:28:45,840
Speaker 8: She's trying to engineer her like she's wanted to get.

1789
01:28:46,439 --> 01:28:50,360
Speaker 8: She was wanted to be engineer and an artist. But

1790
01:28:50,479 --> 01:28:52,040
Speaker 8: everything she wanted me to she used to come to

1791
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:54,360
Speaker 8: my house and everything she wanted to do was like

1792
01:28:54,840 --> 01:28:56,880
Speaker 8: Luther vandros Loop And I was like, no, you need

1793
01:28:57,000 --> 01:29:04,880
Speaker 8: hardcore beats years ahead of her time. As soon as

1794
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:13,160
Speaker 8: I heard this should be played high volume, let me kick.

1795
01:29:13,080 --> 01:29:15,760
Speaker 2: Off, I was like, that's her, you know.

1796
01:29:15,800 --> 01:29:17,439
Speaker 8: And even though it said it on the cover said

1797
01:29:17,479 --> 01:29:19,160
Speaker 8: late was the death Row inmates, it was a real

1798
01:29:19,320 --> 01:29:22,080
Speaker 8: little block in the bottom left corner, and I was like,

1799
01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:22,680
Speaker 8: that's her.

1800
01:29:23,400 --> 01:29:25,880
Speaker 2: And then she was on everything. And then so by

1801
01:29:25,960 --> 01:29:27,920
Speaker 2: the time y'all, did you did the record for her album?

1802
01:29:28,040 --> 01:29:31,439
Speaker 2: That was? I mean, yeah, that was but it started

1803
01:29:31,720 --> 01:29:33,760
Speaker 2: I was already in shambles at that time.

1804
01:29:33,920 --> 01:29:36,080
Speaker 5: Can I ask you something since you brought it up,

1805
01:29:36,080 --> 01:29:41,160
Speaker 5: ask me something. Be super honest with me, don't be

1806
01:29:41,320 --> 01:29:50,040
Speaker 5: politically correct. When the Chronic came out, Yeah, September nineteen

1807
01:29:50,120 --> 01:29:56,400
Speaker 5: ninety two, what was your initial reaction bloom be a.

1808
01:29:56,560 --> 01:30:02,160
Speaker 2: Way, Yes, I I I wanted him to hear it

1809
01:30:02,200 --> 01:30:05,960
Speaker 2: from you. Yo.

1810
01:30:06,200 --> 01:30:09,960
Speaker 8: Every song really tied in, you know, because.

1811
01:30:10,120 --> 01:30:12,479
Speaker 2: It was blowing away like shau.

1812
01:30:12,560 --> 01:30:14,560
Speaker 10: I remember because telling me you said, like, after the

1813
01:30:14,640 --> 01:30:17,360
Speaker 10: Chronic came out, that's what made you step up the sonics.

1814
01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:20,759
Speaker 8: Yeah, because even though he samples, I mean, will replace

1815
01:30:20,800 --> 01:30:24,639
Speaker 8: stuff it just and plus again, I'm I'm from an era,

1816
01:30:24,840 --> 01:30:28,240
Speaker 8: I'm from boom Box and drive and I drive all

1817
01:30:28,280 --> 01:30:30,080
Speaker 8: the timetimes. Just get in the car to drive and

1818
01:30:30,200 --> 01:30:33,519
Speaker 8: just listen to Ship. So that's still my mentality and

1819
01:30:33,600 --> 01:30:37,160
Speaker 8: that's how I grade. Like Shout the Tory Wolf. We

1820
01:30:37,280 --> 01:30:40,000
Speaker 8: just finished her album on my On my I have

1821
01:30:40,120 --> 01:30:42,840
Speaker 8: two labels year Round, which is my street Ship and

1822
01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:45,360
Speaker 8: then I have T T T, which is to the Top.

1823
01:30:45,439 --> 01:30:49,120
Speaker 8: With my manager Ian, we put our alternative stuff R

1824
01:30:49,120 --> 01:30:51,880
Speaker 8: and B whatever, just as long as not the gutter gutter,

1825
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:54,800
Speaker 8: we put it on T T T. So The Tory

1826
01:30:54,840 --> 01:30:56,840
Speaker 8: Wolf Out I just finished. And even though she's a

1827
01:30:56,880 --> 01:30:59,519
Speaker 8: singer songwriter and all of that stuff, in the style

1828
01:30:59,520 --> 01:31:02,080
Speaker 8: of music I did for her is so different. I

1829
01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:04,800
Speaker 8: still mat When I went to mastering the shot to

1830
01:31:04,880 --> 01:31:07,760
Speaker 8: Tony Darcy, who's been mastering my stuff since the early

1831
01:31:07,800 --> 01:31:10,920
Speaker 8: Gagstar days. Soon as I got there, he said, you

1832
01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:13,599
Speaker 8: still doing He did the first thing. Tony said, still

1833
01:31:13,640 --> 01:31:14,599
Speaker 8: doing the cassette way?

1834
01:31:14,640 --> 01:31:15,160
Speaker 2: I said, yeah.

1835
01:31:16,000 --> 01:31:20,680
Speaker 8: When I sequence, I say a cassette, I be of

1836
01:31:20,720 --> 01:31:23,120
Speaker 8: a cassette and you know what would start when you

1837
01:31:23,160 --> 01:31:25,240
Speaker 8: flip it over. The flip over part is the most

1838
01:31:25,280 --> 01:31:28,800
Speaker 8: difficult for me because getting it going, you want to

1839
01:31:28,840 --> 01:31:31,040
Speaker 8: put some bangers, but you still need to put some

1840
01:31:31,120 --> 01:31:31,960
Speaker 8: bangers on the other side.

1841
01:31:32,040 --> 01:31:33,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, you got, and you got to kick off side

1842
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:36,120
Speaker 2: be with a banger, and and I just I.

1843
01:31:36,240 --> 01:31:37,920
Speaker 8: Just sit there and just play the ending of the

1844
01:31:37,960 --> 01:31:40,040
Speaker 8: song in my head, like when I look at the list,

1845
01:31:40,120 --> 01:31:42,479
Speaker 8: like damn with that, run into that, and then I'm

1846
01:31:42,520 --> 01:31:45,760
Speaker 8: really meticulous about the spacing. You know, some might run

1847
01:31:45,840 --> 01:31:49,800
Speaker 8: into it on one, two, three and boom.

1848
01:31:51,240 --> 01:31:51,840
Speaker 2: Does he really?

1849
01:31:52,040 --> 01:31:54,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's sequence, he sequenced. This is everything on the

1850
01:31:54,680 --> 01:31:57,040
Speaker 5: one like when you listen to his record. Really, yeah,

1851
01:31:57,520 --> 01:31:59,160
Speaker 5: that's because I learned that from him too.

1852
01:32:00,120 --> 01:32:02,560
Speaker 2: I like stuff out of here, stuff like that. Do

1853
01:32:02,640 --> 01:32:04,400
Speaker 2: you want of these first person to heard you that? Wow?

1854
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:06,680
Speaker 2: See I only said that because I.

1855
01:32:06,680 --> 01:32:08,599
Speaker 8: Saw you say something about that before in the interview

1856
01:32:08,640 --> 01:32:10,599
Speaker 8: or something about the chronic didn't hit you right away?

1857
01:32:10,760 --> 01:32:14,360
Speaker 5: Dog, I'm saying like, because you mentioned straight out the

1858
01:32:14,400 --> 01:32:18,360
Speaker 5: jungle to me, and all right, figure out the way

1859
01:32:18,439 --> 01:32:20,160
Speaker 5: that you did take it personal.

1860
01:32:20,720 --> 01:32:21,799
Speaker 2: So you take skull.

1861
01:32:21,680 --> 01:32:25,160
Speaker 8: Snaps and you took was twelve hundred just that one song.

1862
01:32:25,760 --> 01:32:28,680
Speaker 5: Really because you're your weapon of choice by now is

1863
01:32:28,680 --> 01:32:32,000
Speaker 5: still the sixty No I use renaissance, no no, no, no, no,

1864
01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:36,400
Speaker 5: I mean yeah, back because my engineer Eddie Sancho when

1865
01:32:36,600 --> 01:32:39,240
Speaker 5: Lyle was doing the Russian Dragon, he was like.

1866
01:32:39,280 --> 01:32:41,160
Speaker 8: Yoh, it's taking too long to do it that way, man,

1867
01:32:41,200 --> 01:32:43,040
Speaker 8: he said, you know what, and I'm watching how you're

1868
01:32:43,200 --> 01:32:46,080
Speaker 8: doing your beast because he Eddie Santo was the engineer

1869
01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:49,559
Speaker 8: there at D and D. He's like, you should use

1870
01:32:49,560 --> 01:32:52,640
Speaker 8: the NPC because the tracks are laid out, you know,

1871
01:32:52,960 --> 01:32:54,040
Speaker 8: one through a million.

1872
01:32:54,120 --> 01:32:54,559
Speaker 2: And he said.

1873
01:32:54,680 --> 01:32:57,800
Speaker 8: The thing with that is it's like he says, it's

1874
01:32:57,840 --> 01:33:00,120
Speaker 8: like a tape deck without being a tape deck, and

1875
01:33:00,360 --> 01:33:02,479
Speaker 8: you know a tape machine. I mean, so he said,

1876
01:33:02,560 --> 01:33:04,120
Speaker 8: that's all. You just don't have the tape machine, but

1877
01:33:04,320 --> 01:33:06,360
Speaker 8: just the way you could layer and mute and do this.

1878
01:33:06,439 --> 01:33:07,240
Speaker 2: And I was like wow.

1879
01:33:07,720 --> 01:33:09,160
Speaker 8: So then when he taught me how to work it,

1880
01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:11,120
Speaker 8: I was like, he's like, you know, I'm about to

1881
01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:11,760
Speaker 8: get rid of mine.

1882
01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:12,400
Speaker 2: You want to buy it?

1883
01:33:12,520 --> 01:33:14,200
Speaker 8: I bought it and that's when I got hooked on

1884
01:33:14,240 --> 01:33:14,479
Speaker 8: the MP.

1885
01:33:15,080 --> 01:33:16,840
Speaker 2: What's the first thing you did on the MP.

1886
01:33:18,040 --> 01:33:18,160
Speaker 5: Uh?

1887
01:33:19,720 --> 01:33:21,320
Speaker 2: Well, all of extra.

1888
01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:25,439
Speaker 8: Extra was the alessis. Uh So the mp I would

1889
01:33:25,479 --> 01:33:30,040
Speaker 8: probably say it's on daily operation. Around that time it

1890
01:33:30,120 --> 01:33:36,519
Speaker 8: would probably be it would honestly around that time. That

1891
01:33:36,640 --> 01:33:41,000
Speaker 8: was around Dwick Okay, So because drig was the B side,

1892
01:33:41,040 --> 01:33:42,760
Speaker 8: it wasn't on it. It wasn't meant to be on

1893
01:33:42,840 --> 01:33:45,120
Speaker 8: the album. The only reason why we did Dwick was

1894
01:33:45,200 --> 01:33:50,000
Speaker 8: to give Nice and Smooth payback to down the line.

1895
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:54,000
Speaker 8: They were like because they were like because we all

1896
01:33:54,040 --> 01:33:56,360
Speaker 8: did that together, bugging out, and we were like, well,

1897
01:33:56,479 --> 01:33:58,719
Speaker 8: doing on our on our record. But the album already

1898
01:33:58,720 --> 01:34:03,000
Speaker 8: been turned in. And I remember Don Baron was there

1899
01:34:03,080 --> 01:34:05,439
Speaker 8: from the Masters of Ceremony because he was friends with

1900
01:34:05,600 --> 01:34:08,360
Speaker 8: Nice and Smooth and dub C, who's been coming to

1901
01:34:08,439 --> 01:34:12,160
Speaker 8: New York since since you know, d J Aladdin was

1902
01:34:12,200 --> 01:34:15,600
Speaker 8: battling in eighty nine. I've been friends with dubb C.

1903
01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:19,560
Speaker 8: Recipes to his brother Crazy Tunes. We just shot a

1904
01:34:19,680 --> 01:34:23,240
Speaker 8: video for year my Year Round label. Me and MC

1905
01:34:23,360 --> 01:34:25,920
Speaker 8: eight just did a project called Which Way Is West

1906
01:34:26,120 --> 01:34:28,840
Speaker 8: that I executive produced. I produced three songs, and he

1907
01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:31,880
Speaker 8: has a producer named Brin Sinatra from Austria, who.

1908
01:34:32,200 --> 01:34:35,240
Speaker 2: I know, yeah the reasons.

1909
01:34:36,280 --> 01:34:38,960
Speaker 8: He produced the rest of it. But the mixes were everywhere,

1910
01:34:39,080 --> 01:34:41,160
Speaker 8: so I told her, let me mix it, give it

1911
01:34:41,240 --> 01:34:43,880
Speaker 8: to me and if there's any hooks and nothing that's tight,

1912
01:34:44,000 --> 01:34:46,320
Speaker 8: I'll scratch on it. So I scratched on every song,

1913
01:34:47,400 --> 01:34:49,519
Speaker 8: mixed everything, had to get all the vocals in order.

1914
01:34:49,520 --> 01:34:50,880
Speaker 8: That's why it took me so long this day, I'm

1915
01:34:50,880 --> 01:34:53,280
Speaker 8: not used to mixing somebody else's stuff. I like mixing

1916
01:34:53,320 --> 01:34:55,680
Speaker 8: my stuff. Got it tight, We turned it in. We're

1917
01:34:55,680 --> 01:34:57,559
Speaker 8: about to release that. We just shot the video four

1918
01:34:57,640 --> 01:35:00,880
Speaker 8: days before Christmas. So Tunes was with us and that's

1919
01:35:00,920 --> 01:35:02,880
Speaker 8: why we dedicated to him. So we're about to release

1920
01:35:02,920 --> 01:35:05,400
Speaker 8: the video in about a week or so, and uh

1921
01:35:05,479 --> 01:35:07,280
Speaker 8: I Tunes is all in the video, and then at

1922
01:35:07,320 --> 01:35:09,320
Speaker 8: the end we give a special spot to him showing

1923
01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:11,400
Speaker 8: I'm just throwing it up slow motion. You know, it

1924
01:35:11,479 --> 01:35:13,519
Speaker 8: was just saying the RP to him, and you know

1925
01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:15,760
Speaker 8: it was just even going to his funeral. Was lc

1926
01:35:15,920 --> 01:35:18,920
Speaker 8: in LLL there and Chuck d there and almost every

1927
01:35:18,960 --> 01:35:21,120
Speaker 8: West Coast artist you could think of was there.

1928
01:35:21,200 --> 01:35:22,880
Speaker 2: It was Yeah, I never got a chance to meet

1929
01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:23,799
Speaker 2: to him. I heard.

1930
01:35:25,280 --> 01:35:27,040
Speaker 8: He was more than homie, he was a friend, you know.

1931
01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:30,439
Speaker 8: So that the first song is not even the singles.

1932
01:35:30,920 --> 01:35:33,680
Speaker 8: We did the single which is called Compton Zoo and

1933
01:35:33,760 --> 01:35:36,320
Speaker 8: then and then I knew eight from back then too already.

1934
01:35:36,400 --> 01:35:38,559
Speaker 8: That's how we've been so cool and uh so all

1935
01:35:38,600 --> 01:35:40,320
Speaker 8: of that's gonna be coming out, you know, prom to

1936
01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:46,840
Speaker 8: Tory Wolf uh m C eight uh the Nygs and

1937
01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:49,360
Speaker 8: my band, the Battle Band. So we're doing the EP

1938
01:35:49,760 --> 01:35:51,040
Speaker 8: and we're about to go on the road too.

1939
01:35:51,200 --> 01:35:59,360
Speaker 2: So so what is your your creative process as far

1940
01:35:59,479 --> 01:36:05,520
Speaker 2: as you practicing?

1941
01:36:07,200 --> 01:36:10,080
Speaker 5: Are you a get up at eight o'clock and treat

1942
01:36:10,120 --> 01:36:12,960
Speaker 5: this like my real gig thing? Do you listen to

1943
01:36:13,040 --> 01:36:16,560
Speaker 5: records on Sunday for five hours uninterrupted? Do you like,

1944
01:36:16,640 --> 01:36:19,280
Speaker 5: what's your cause to be as good as you are?

1945
01:36:20,160 --> 01:36:24,519
Speaker 5: We're cutting, scratching, looping, and you you know, even though

1946
01:36:24,800 --> 01:36:31,080
Speaker 5: I know the evolution of your production style from your

1947
01:36:31,120 --> 01:36:33,800
Speaker 5: earlier work where you're just straight looping four bars to

1948
01:36:33,840 --> 01:36:36,880
Speaker 5: the point where you're chopping stuff and or looping one

1949
01:36:37,000 --> 01:36:42,840
Speaker 5: ball right right, So what is your what's your preparation

1950
01:36:43,080 --> 01:36:45,120
Speaker 5: like like do you have do you just do like, okay,

1951
01:36:45,120 --> 01:36:46,719
Speaker 5: I'm just do three hours a day.

1952
01:36:47,280 --> 01:36:52,479
Speaker 8: Of that's how it was, well, not now, but like then,

1953
01:36:52,720 --> 01:36:57,519
Speaker 8: like uh maybe all the way up till maybe ninety three,

1954
01:36:58,320 --> 01:37:02,160
Speaker 8: that's what always get up, just start practicing cuts and

1955
01:37:02,320 --> 01:37:05,519
Speaker 8: going to goole and go on goo yo goo check

1956
01:37:05,560 --> 01:37:07,240
Speaker 8: this out. And I said, we're gonna use that for

1957
01:37:07,800 --> 01:37:09,040
Speaker 8: for this beat and stuff like that.

1958
01:37:10,000 --> 01:37:14,680
Speaker 5: You practice cuts, yeah, because you know more. Even when

1959
01:37:14,680 --> 01:37:17,479
Speaker 5: you were DJing on the radio, I was shocked that

1960
01:37:17,600 --> 01:37:21,280
Speaker 5: you play the street versions of some shit and did

1961
01:37:21,360 --> 01:37:24,200
Speaker 5: the reverse yeah and not. I was like, why didn't

1962
01:37:24,200 --> 01:37:26,439
Speaker 5: he just play the radio version because the first time

1963
01:37:26,479 --> 01:37:31,680
Speaker 5: we ever came to your show, you played the the

1964
01:37:32,320 --> 01:37:36,439
Speaker 5: uncensored version of Brooklyn Zoo. Now, in my opinion, I

1965
01:37:36,720 --> 01:37:40,240
Speaker 5: like his his his vocal performance on the radio version.

1966
01:37:40,280 --> 01:37:41,559
Speaker 2: It's better to me right right.

1967
01:37:42,360 --> 01:37:44,679
Speaker 5: And I was like, and whoever is in the studio,

1968
01:37:44,680 --> 01:37:47,639
Speaker 5: I was like, yo, why does he play the streets

1969
01:37:47,680 --> 01:37:49,680
Speaker 5: on when the clean version is way better? Like it's

1970
01:37:49,720 --> 01:37:52,240
Speaker 5: a better vocal performance. And it's like, yeah, he always does,

1971
01:37:52,840 --> 01:37:56,519
Speaker 5: you know? He like that tells me you study the

1972
01:37:56,600 --> 01:37:57,080
Speaker 5: song too.

1973
01:37:57,680 --> 01:38:00,400
Speaker 8: Yep. I'll listen to all the curses and just right

1974
01:38:01,200 --> 01:38:04,200
Speaker 8: the curse word on a piece of paper and the

1975
01:38:04,720 --> 01:38:05,840
Speaker 8: two words it comes before.

1976
01:38:06,160 --> 01:38:07,760
Speaker 2: So if it is it's uh.

1977
01:38:09,720 --> 01:38:12,559
Speaker 8: Enough to make a nigga go crazy, I'll put make

1978
01:38:12,680 --> 01:38:16,120
Speaker 8: a and I'll put in and then put a line

1979
01:38:16,120 --> 01:38:18,040
Speaker 8: I don't know why, and I won't even put a

1980
01:38:18,080 --> 01:38:21,040
Speaker 8: line under it. I'll put this whole scratch a thick

1981
01:38:21,120 --> 01:38:24,000
Speaker 8: the scribble line under that that N word, so it'll

1982
01:38:24,040 --> 01:38:26,040
Speaker 8: make me just be like and you know, so I'm

1983
01:38:26,080 --> 01:38:29,920
Speaker 8: gonna look at the paper, but you wants.

1984
01:38:30,800 --> 01:38:33,240
Speaker 2: Yeah right.

1985
01:38:33,520 --> 01:38:36,559
Speaker 8: It became normal and Flex used to call me because

1986
01:38:36,640 --> 01:38:39,160
Speaker 8: I was on from eight to ten, Flex from ten

1987
01:38:39,240 --> 01:38:40,720
Speaker 8: to midnight. Flex is calling you?

1988
01:38:40,840 --> 01:38:42,120
Speaker 2: What is that? What is that? What is that?

1989
01:38:42,280 --> 01:38:45,320
Speaker 8: That's how I broke Shook Ones Part two because.

1990
01:38:45,720 --> 01:38:49,840
Speaker 2: I'm on throughout. Yeah. Yes, they came to see me.

1991
01:38:50,479 --> 01:38:53,599
Speaker 8: First first because I worked with them because the Lost

1992
01:38:53,640 --> 01:38:56,960
Speaker 8: Professor on peer pressure and did the remix and we

1993
01:38:56,960 --> 01:39:00,640
Speaker 8: shot a video and everything, and so the shoot Ones

1994
01:39:00,800 --> 01:39:02,479
Speaker 8: part one was had been out, and you know, they

1995
01:39:02,520 --> 01:39:04,400
Speaker 8: were already alloud. I saw them at D n D

1996
01:39:04,520 --> 01:39:05,960
Speaker 8: in the A room and they were like, yo, man,

1997
01:39:05,960 --> 01:39:08,240
Speaker 8: we gotta get you our new record shop ones from

1998
01:39:08,240 --> 01:39:11,240
Speaker 8: when you go on the radio this weekend. And I

1999
01:39:11,400 --> 01:39:13,080
Speaker 8: was like, I already got it. He said, no, this

2000
01:39:13,240 --> 01:39:16,040
Speaker 8: is part two. He goes, this is some other ship

2001
01:39:16,200 --> 01:39:18,320
Speaker 8: this is and having like wait till you hear this one,

2002
01:39:18,920 --> 01:39:22,240
Speaker 8: and I was like okay, And then they brought it

2003
01:39:22,320 --> 01:39:25,080
Speaker 8: to me during commercial break and as soon I just

2004
01:39:25,120 --> 01:39:28,680
Speaker 8: sit here, word up somewhere to all of them, I

2005
01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:34,960
Speaker 8: was like, I was like oh man, it's just like

2006
01:39:35,080 --> 01:39:36,280
Speaker 8: I never heard no.

2007
01:39:36,680 --> 01:39:37,320
Speaker 2: Beat like this.

2008
01:39:37,600 --> 01:39:39,760
Speaker 12: That one became more popular, right, Oh yeah, that was

2009
01:39:39,840 --> 01:39:40,160
Speaker 12: the one.

2010
01:39:41,760 --> 01:39:43,320
Speaker 10: It was on like a tape I had, like the

2011
01:39:44,200 --> 01:39:47,400
Speaker 10: single or whatever, and part one was whatever, but two

2012
01:39:47,640 --> 01:39:52,080
Speaker 10: was the one that was it. Man, talk about because

2013
01:39:52,280 --> 01:39:55,840
Speaker 10: I mean by this time, so talk about Jay RW

2014
01:39:56,160 --> 01:39:58,559
Speaker 10: in group home because as you had told me before,

2015
01:39:58,720 --> 01:40:01,599
Speaker 10: like they were kind of you know, they were kind

2016
01:40:01,600 --> 01:40:03,600
Speaker 10: of you know, the red headed steps was like just

2017
01:40:03,680 --> 01:40:05,240
Speaker 10: kind of passed them off, like, yeah, work with them.

2018
01:40:05,479 --> 01:40:08,360
Speaker 8: Well what happened was I bring it down to you

2019
01:40:09,080 --> 01:40:15,439
Speaker 8: we uh we we knew Jay Rue uh and DApp once.

2020
01:40:15,479 --> 01:40:20,040
Speaker 8: I even joined Gangstar because uh a guy named Gusmo

2021
01:40:20,960 --> 01:40:23,680
Speaker 8: what was around Guru all the time Me and got

2022
01:40:23,720 --> 01:40:28,080
Speaker 8: mad cool. Yeah, and so he started bringing them around.

2023
01:40:28,680 --> 01:40:31,800
Speaker 8: So as it and then it just started growing more people,

2024
01:40:31,880 --> 01:40:34,400
Speaker 8: more people, more people. I always gonna keep my distance

2025
01:40:34,439 --> 01:40:36,840
Speaker 8: at first, just because I was so new, you know,

2026
01:40:36,880 --> 01:40:39,160
Speaker 8: I didn't want to you know, people start jumping on.

2027
01:40:39,240 --> 01:40:40,519
Speaker 2: You don't know what the vibe is gonna be.

2028
01:40:40,960 --> 01:40:44,040
Speaker 8: So as time passed, you know, me and DAP and

2029
01:40:44,040 --> 01:40:45,160
Speaker 8: always got finally.

2030
01:40:44,960 --> 01:40:46,720
Speaker 2: Cool and we're all cool with each other. First we

2031
01:40:47,520 --> 01:40:48,600
Speaker 2: had a little tension.

2032
01:40:48,360 --> 01:40:50,760
Speaker 8: Because it was just like, you know, we're with the

2033
01:40:50,960 --> 01:40:53,559
Speaker 8: we're with the mc you're we're we're with the guy.

2034
01:40:53,680 --> 01:40:56,280
Speaker 2: You're just the McCoy things.

2035
01:40:56,320 --> 01:41:00,080
Speaker 8: Absolutely your crew versus gurus pretty pretty much. And I

2036
01:41:00,120 --> 01:41:01,760
Speaker 8: didn't really have a crew, you know what I'm saying.

2037
01:41:01,880 --> 01:41:04,120
Speaker 8: My friends from college and that was pretty much it.

2038
01:41:04,360 --> 01:41:04,800
Speaker 2: And you know, my.

2039
01:41:04,840 --> 01:41:07,360
Speaker 8: Grandfather had already passed, and you know, I didn't really

2040
01:41:07,400 --> 01:41:10,080
Speaker 8: have no friends. I knew Vic Black, who's still down

2041
01:41:10,120 --> 01:41:11,880
Speaker 8: with me, because when I lived in East New York,

2042
01:41:12,280 --> 01:41:14,639
Speaker 8: I knew Fat Gary, I knew Black.

2043
01:41:14,720 --> 01:41:15,960
Speaker 2: Is he the one that's in just.

2044
01:41:17,560 --> 01:41:22,400
Speaker 8: So uh uh he's uh, it's him. So everybody from

2045
01:41:22,439 --> 01:41:23,960
Speaker 8: that side of East New York we always called the

2046
01:41:24,360 --> 01:41:27,320
Speaker 8: jay ruin them the other side because there's there's another

2047
01:41:27,360 --> 01:41:30,439
Speaker 8: side of the East New York across across uh, you know,

2048
01:41:31,080 --> 01:41:33,360
Speaker 8: Liberty and all of that. So on that side, in

2049
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:36,240
Speaker 8: Lavonia and and all that by the train tracks on

2050
01:41:36,360 --> 01:41:41,040
Speaker 8: that side's predominantly Spanish, but it's very wild, very shoot

2051
01:41:41,080 --> 01:41:43,960
Speaker 8: him up. So we always said, you know, we're on

2052
01:41:44,040 --> 01:41:45,519
Speaker 8: this side of because I live right right next to

2053
01:41:45,640 --> 01:41:48,880
Speaker 8: Lyndon Houses, which is very wild projects. So I'm right there,

2054
01:41:49,080 --> 01:41:52,080
Speaker 8: I'm near pink houses. I'm near and then near, you know,

2055
01:41:52,640 --> 01:41:57,400
Speaker 8: the the drama drama. So Jay ruis borderline of of

2056
01:41:57,600 --> 01:42:02,240
Speaker 8: of Brownsville, uh and and the other side. So it

2057
01:42:02,360 --> 01:42:05,720
Speaker 8: hit where he lived in Grace Towers, separates that part

2058
01:42:05,720 --> 01:42:07,160
Speaker 8: of East New York, but where he lives as a

2059
01:42:07,200 --> 01:42:11,719
Speaker 8: wild too. So we started being cool with both sides,

2060
01:42:12,160 --> 01:42:14,120
Speaker 8: my friends, you know, with just Fat Gary.

2061
01:42:14,560 --> 01:42:15,840
Speaker 2: A lot older guys, you know.

2062
01:42:16,040 --> 01:42:19,719
Speaker 8: But Black Black had a label called Black Magic Records

2063
01:42:20,120 --> 01:42:22,040
Speaker 8: before I even got a deal. I wanted him to

2064
01:42:22,120 --> 01:42:24,680
Speaker 8: sign me, and he was like, it's not what you think.

2065
01:42:24,800 --> 01:42:26,080
Speaker 8: Just because I have a stack of records in my

2066
01:42:26,160 --> 01:42:28,200
Speaker 8: car and all that, it's independent. I don't undertand what

2067
01:42:28,240 --> 01:42:32,800
Speaker 8: independent labels was at the time. Black had his first artists.

2068
01:42:32,800 --> 01:42:35,160
Speaker 8: They were called Spider Man and Freeze, and they had

2069
01:42:35,200 --> 01:42:43,439
Speaker 8: a record call. Yes, it was called I'm Too Much.

2070
01:42:44,280 --> 01:42:44,479
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2071
01:42:44,520 --> 01:42:47,640
Speaker 8: They were a group, spider Man and Freeze. Yeah, like

2072
01:42:47,920 --> 01:42:50,759
Speaker 8: they were before they got to doing poison.

2073
01:42:51,000 --> 01:42:55,040
Speaker 2: This is early early so I can't even get a

2074
01:42:55,120 --> 01:42:55,639
Speaker 2: sound effect.

2075
01:43:03,439 --> 01:43:06,240
Speaker 8: Wait a minute, seriously, Yes, it was called I'm Too Much.

2076
01:43:06,320 --> 01:43:09,280
Speaker 8: I have a stack of them at the house around

2077
01:43:10,400 --> 01:43:13,120
Speaker 8: around right around around around It's called I'm Too Much.

2078
01:43:13,240 --> 01:43:15,720
Speaker 8: By Spider Man and Freeze. So they all from the

2079
01:43:15,720 --> 01:43:20,760
Speaker 8: same projects. Uh yeah, so different workman, so so so

2080
01:43:20,960 --> 01:43:23,400
Speaker 8: that I used to hang out with them and everything

2081
01:43:23,640 --> 01:43:26,439
Speaker 8: again before I was in Gangstar, So you know, the

2082
01:43:26,920 --> 01:43:29,000
Speaker 8: hanging with them, that's how I got cool with so

2083
01:43:29,080 --> 01:43:31,479
Speaker 8: many real live dudes in East New York. So I

2084
01:43:31,600 --> 01:43:34,160
Speaker 8: was really around real soldiers that put it in you know.

2085
01:43:34,680 --> 01:43:38,640
Speaker 8: Uh Black is the Tomers a former Tomahawk, you know,

2086
01:43:38,680 --> 01:43:43,320
Speaker 8: one of the biggest gangs during the Warriors era. Tomahawk

2087
01:43:43,400 --> 01:43:46,120
Speaker 8: is a real, you know, certified gang in Brooklyn. So

2088
01:43:46,560 --> 01:43:49,280
Speaker 8: he was a Tomahawk. So he goes back back and

2089
01:43:49,520 --> 01:43:53,360
Speaker 8: uh so when it came to that, that that stage

2090
01:43:53,400 --> 01:43:55,120
Speaker 8: of it, I've seen them grow to where it finally

2091
01:43:55,200 --> 01:43:57,800
Speaker 8: got to you know, them doing poison and color me

2092
01:43:57,880 --> 01:43:59,759
Speaker 8: bad sex, you up all that stuff.

2093
01:44:00,160 --> 01:44:03,719
Speaker 2: Doctor free Yeah yeah, it was Doctor Free The biggest gangs,

2094
01:44:06,080 --> 01:44:09,360
Speaker 2: the Doctor Freeze and Spider Man.

2095
01:44:09,840 --> 01:44:13,280
Speaker 5: Okay, I have a question about Jay Ruth The Damage.

2096
01:44:15,640 --> 01:44:22,040
Speaker 5: I consider that all right, first album, the first Summarises

2097
01:44:22,080 --> 01:44:27,879
Speaker 5: from the East. I consider that entire record your greatest

2098
01:44:28,040 --> 01:44:30,360
Speaker 5: troll and your greatest victory.

2099
01:44:32,080 --> 01:44:38,400
Speaker 2: Now, I mean what I have to know is.

2100
01:44:40,680 --> 01:44:42,760
Speaker 5: I want to know your attitude I think I brought

2101
01:44:42,800 --> 01:44:45,280
Speaker 5: this up to you maybe twenty years ago backstage at

2102
01:44:45,280 --> 01:44:49,120
Speaker 5: the Beastie Boys show. But what is what is super

2103
01:44:49,479 --> 01:44:54,080
Speaker 5: notable and very much troll like about the Jay Ruth

2104
01:44:54,120 --> 01:44:58,000
Speaker 5: The damage of record is because now it's it's it

2105
01:44:58,200 --> 01:45:02,479
Speaker 5: comes out in uh ninety four technically ninety four, yeah,

2106
01:45:02,680 --> 01:45:04,040
Speaker 5: even though Come Clean came out and.

2107
01:45:05,720 --> 01:45:06,240
Speaker 2: Ninety three.

2108
01:45:07,280 --> 01:45:11,000
Speaker 5: So I consider this and his entry into hip hop

2109
01:45:12,040 --> 01:45:15,760
Speaker 5: in eighty nine the new renaissance era again with the

2110
01:45:16,040 --> 01:45:23,439
Speaker 5: large professor premiere tippin' Ali Pete. In other words, they're

2111
01:45:23,600 --> 01:45:28,479
Speaker 5: not doing the conventional means of hip hop production, whereas

2112
01:45:28,800 --> 01:45:31,680
Speaker 5: you know, again using break beat Lindens.

2113
01:45:32,800 --> 01:45:37,080
Speaker 2: Beats and breaks and all that stuff. Baby lou right

2114
01:45:37,240 --> 01:45:44,120
Speaker 2: break be Loo. So here's the thing, though, every every drum.

2115
01:45:45,479 --> 01:45:49,840
Speaker 5: Uh, every drum track used on Summerses from the East,

2116
01:45:51,720 --> 01:45:55,160
Speaker 5: at that point when I'm listening in ninety four, I

2117
01:45:55,360 --> 01:46:00,880
Speaker 5: consider it extremely taboo. In other words, it's like if

2118
01:46:01,000 --> 01:46:06,200
Speaker 5: Ray says, hey, uh, let's take uh a mental stamina,

2119
01:46:08,360 --> 01:46:11,360
Speaker 5: Billy Jean ain't the first thing I'd grabbed for when

2120
01:46:11,360 --> 01:46:12,719
Speaker 5: I'm thinking of drums.

2121
01:46:12,760 --> 01:46:17,160
Speaker 2: I mean, now, as mature, you know, anything's up for grabs.

2122
01:46:16,920 --> 01:46:17,000
Speaker 13: But.

2123
01:46:20,520 --> 01:46:25,120
Speaker 2: Literally do like you took uh what was the static

2124
01:46:25,240 --> 01:46:27,200
Speaker 2: like you like it too? For static.

2125
01:46:29,040 --> 01:46:32,439
Speaker 5: Is a renaissance cat thinking, Okay, let me go to

2126
01:46:32,520 --> 01:46:34,760
Speaker 5: all and be some breaks and take Funkadelics you like

2127
01:46:34,840 --> 01:46:35,080
Speaker 5: it too?

2128
01:46:36,200 --> 01:46:37,120
Speaker 2: Or uh.

2129
01:46:38,680 --> 01:46:43,800
Speaker 5: All Night literally even the original even the original Jungle

2130
01:46:43,840 --> 01:46:46,720
Speaker 5: Brothers using on the run, even.

2131
01:46:46,800 --> 01:46:52,240
Speaker 2: Even using coolest back for come Clean. So after when

2132
01:46:52,280 --> 01:46:54,880
Speaker 2: I listened to the record, which takes we will talk

2133
01:46:54,880 --> 01:46:57,680
Speaker 2: about that later, right already. Yeah, even when listening to

2134
01:46:57,720 --> 01:47:01,400
Speaker 2: the record. By the time we got to with with

2135
01:47:01,479 --> 01:47:05,000
Speaker 2: the exception of Knowledge, you can't start the prophet.

2136
01:47:06,320 --> 01:47:09,880
Speaker 8: That's because the show biz show biz said yo, when

2137
01:47:09,880 --> 01:47:12,599
Speaker 8: he didn't catch wreck. I was so addicted that record.

2138
01:47:12,640 --> 01:47:16,160
Speaker 8: I was like, yo, yeah, I said, shouldn't do the

2139
01:47:16,160 --> 01:47:19,599
Speaker 8: shingling right right shing ling? And I was like, yo, man,

2140
01:47:20,120 --> 01:47:22,280
Speaker 8: I would love to use those drums. I have two copies.

2141
01:47:22,360 --> 01:47:24,679
Speaker 8: You said, didn't didn't do your thing. I was like, yeah,

2142
01:47:24,760 --> 01:47:27,200
Speaker 8: but I've never taken a drum from somebody else.

2143
01:47:27,360 --> 01:47:31,080
Speaker 2: That's not that's like, that's like the show was like, nah,

2144
01:47:31,160 --> 01:47:31,559
Speaker 2: because I.

2145
01:47:31,600 --> 01:47:33,080
Speaker 8: Know you're not gonna do it the same way I

2146
01:47:33,200 --> 01:47:35,479
Speaker 8: did it. And he said, I can't wait to hear

2147
01:47:35,520 --> 01:47:39,040
Speaker 8: what you do to it. And remember I remember he

2148
01:47:39,120 --> 01:47:45,760
Speaker 8: called me and goes like it, He goes, this is crazy.

2149
01:47:46,040 --> 01:47:49,840
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not even sample. I was like, yo, I

2150
01:47:49,920 --> 01:47:52,600
Speaker 5: hated you. I just I just found it, like.

2151
01:47:54,520 --> 01:47:59,479
Speaker 2: Like like four months ago, get the drum. But yeah,

2152
01:47:59,680 --> 01:47:59,880
Speaker 2: said I.

2153
01:48:00,320 --> 01:48:02,120
Speaker 5: I was coming over from a gig and I was

2154
01:48:02,200 --> 01:48:06,479
Speaker 5: just Jazz was like, that's the Crusaders, and then it

2155
01:48:06,560 --> 01:48:12,560
Speaker 5: came on. I was like, but my point was that

2156
01:48:13,960 --> 01:48:16,439
Speaker 5: the reason why I said this is either your greatest

2157
01:48:16,560 --> 01:48:21,519
Speaker 5: troll or your your your your magnum opus, only because

2158
01:48:24,960 --> 01:48:29,640
Speaker 5: I feel as though you said either, all right, let

2159
01:48:29,720 --> 01:48:33,320
Speaker 5: me do his record, and all right, let me challenge

2160
01:48:33,360 --> 01:48:41,120
Speaker 5: myself and use thirteen backdrops of drums that no one

2161
01:48:41,200 --> 01:48:45,360
Speaker 5: else would even touch, the sumption of old to Billy Joel,

2162
01:48:45,520 --> 01:48:48,840
Speaker 5: which was still not in the lexicon of hip hop

2163
01:48:49,080 --> 01:48:50,479
Speaker 5: drum producing whatever.

2164
01:48:52,160 --> 01:48:57,080
Speaker 2: Why did you purpose? I like, you could have used

2165
01:48:57,439 --> 01:48:58,080
Speaker 2: the same drum.

2166
01:48:58,200 --> 01:49:00,640
Speaker 5: You could have used scarf snaps I mean, which I

2167
01:49:00,720 --> 01:49:04,400
Speaker 5: mean was relatively new there. Why did you use the

2168
01:49:04,520 --> 01:49:07,719
Speaker 5: most taboo I would never touch that in a million

2169
01:49:07,880 --> 01:49:09,840
Speaker 5: years stuff, none of your contemporaries would touch it.

2170
01:49:10,720 --> 01:49:12,880
Speaker 2: Played out might have been the term why did you

2171
01:49:13,040 --> 01:49:13,280
Speaker 2: do that?

2172
01:49:13,960 --> 01:49:17,240
Speaker 8: That's still my approach even now where I'm like, you

2173
01:49:17,320 --> 01:49:20,360
Speaker 8: know what, I've never used to what not drums and

2174
01:49:20,600 --> 01:49:23,120
Speaker 8: I'll go, let me do a version of that, or

2175
01:49:23,160 --> 01:49:26,479
Speaker 8: I'll go, I never used the what's the.

2176
01:49:29,479 --> 01:49:29,679
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2177
01:49:33,720 --> 01:49:36,680
Speaker 8: Right yet right the same thing. It's like, damn, you

2178
01:49:36,760 --> 01:49:38,920
Speaker 8: know it's been out and it had its run, no

2179
01:49:39,000 --> 01:49:39,920
Speaker 8: one's really touching it.

2180
01:49:40,600 --> 01:49:43,599
Speaker 2: Would you have done that to a gang star record? Yeah?

2181
01:49:44,400 --> 01:49:48,240
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know what it is. But just understand you

2182
01:49:48,439 --> 01:49:51,320
Speaker 8: understand first of all, when when when Jay Ruin became

2183
01:49:51,439 --> 01:49:52,120
Speaker 8: part of our.

2184
01:49:52,439 --> 01:49:53,000
Speaker 2: Of our crew.

2185
01:49:53,320 --> 01:49:56,439
Speaker 8: I remember when we brand from ourselves left a drum

2186
01:49:56,560 --> 01:49:59,360
Speaker 8: set at the Brownstone, So I used to play it

2187
01:49:59,360 --> 01:50:01,479
Speaker 8: a lot, you know, and and that's where I started getting,

2188
01:50:01,479 --> 01:50:04,360
Speaker 8: you know, because I was decent enough from when Travis

2189
01:50:04,360 --> 01:50:08,360
Speaker 8: Scott's father taught me how to drum. So Dab used

2190
01:50:08,400 --> 01:50:11,040
Speaker 8: to love the drums because he'd be like, let me

2191
01:50:11,120 --> 01:50:13,400
Speaker 8: get on it. How you do it? Dap caught on quick.

2192
01:50:13,439 --> 01:50:15,599
Speaker 8: So we used to have little battles just bugging out

2193
01:50:15,840 --> 01:50:17,920
Speaker 8: and we did doing a little different rhythms and stuff

2194
01:50:17,960 --> 01:50:21,200
Speaker 8: like that. Next thing, you know, you know, we always

2195
01:50:21,400 --> 01:50:24,799
Speaker 8: it's always all of us together in this Brownstone, just smoking,

2196
01:50:24,920 --> 01:50:30,400
Speaker 8: drinking and a jillion girls in the house just party, party, party, party, party, party, party, party, party,

2197
01:50:30,720 --> 01:50:32,519
Speaker 8: every day. Even when we went on to and come home,

2198
01:50:34,160 --> 01:50:36,360
Speaker 8: twenty people there, and it wasn't like what are y'all

2199
01:50:36,360 --> 01:50:37,760
Speaker 8: doing to get out of the house. It was more like, hey,

2200
01:50:37,760 --> 01:50:42,000
Speaker 8: what's up everybody, We're back and yeah, yeah, we would

2201
01:50:42,040 --> 01:50:42,800
Speaker 8: leave people in the house.

2202
01:50:42,800 --> 01:50:44,200
Speaker 2: Did you lock your room? Yeah?

2203
01:50:48,360 --> 01:50:52,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, I locked mine, trust me and so, and they'd

2204
01:50:52,240 --> 01:50:53,840
Speaker 8: be like, yeah, locking his door.

2205
01:50:53,960 --> 01:50:57,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, but but he.

2206
01:50:57,439 --> 01:50:59,400
Speaker 5: Used to breaking my room and still with my record, still,

2207
01:50:59,479 --> 01:51:01,760
Speaker 5: who's that. I'd be like, all, let my passport and

2208
01:51:01,840 --> 01:51:05,600
Speaker 5: see my room open cast going through my records already.

2209
01:51:05,479 --> 01:51:07,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, but half his record.

2210
01:51:07,760 --> 01:51:10,800
Speaker 8: But that's how the foundation even started because we used

2211
01:51:10,800 --> 01:51:12,600
Speaker 8: to just bug out it downstairs because that's what the

2212
01:51:12,640 --> 01:51:15,479
Speaker 8: kitchen is, where Google's room is. And one day we're

2213
01:51:15,479 --> 01:51:17,679
Speaker 8: all just you know, I'd be playing the drums, everybody's

2214
01:51:17,720 --> 01:51:19,120
Speaker 8: kicking the verse, and all of a sudden Dad goes

2215
01:51:19,280 --> 01:51:22,439
Speaker 8: it's a little dap on the and we were like, yo, happened.

2216
01:51:22,600 --> 01:51:24,439
Speaker 8: Because he never wrapped in front of us. It was

2217
01:51:24,520 --> 01:51:26,720
Speaker 8: he was always just yeah, yeah, your son, Yeah, look

2218
01:51:26,720 --> 01:51:28,440
Speaker 8: at a minute, and you don't get the niggas.

2219
01:51:28,160 --> 01:51:28,280
Speaker 2: You know.

2220
01:51:28,760 --> 01:51:31,519
Speaker 8: That was now like I just missed it one of

2221
01:51:31,520 --> 01:51:32,120
Speaker 8: the box. Okay.

2222
01:51:32,200 --> 01:51:35,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, now so was it true that you that

2223
01:51:35,800 --> 01:51:37,000
Speaker 2: you went to court for him?

2224
01:51:37,479 --> 01:51:41,200
Speaker 8: And yeah, and the judge was like, yo, you know

2225
01:51:41,320 --> 01:51:43,680
Speaker 8: he had two gun charges on the under eighteen and

2226
01:51:43,880 --> 01:51:46,040
Speaker 8: you know at that time there was very very strict

2227
01:51:46,080 --> 01:51:49,040
Speaker 8: on gun charges in New York still and uh, the

2228
01:51:49,439 --> 01:51:51,160
Speaker 8: you know what, we he really wanted to box. And

2229
01:51:51,200 --> 01:51:55,120
Speaker 8: we told the judge, Judge Bamberger, thank you, Judge Bamberger.

2230
01:51:55,200 --> 01:51:57,240
Speaker 8: She was a mean, little white lady, but this tall

2231
01:51:57,640 --> 01:52:00,320
Speaker 8: but with an attitude, and she's like, you know, want

2232
01:52:00,320 --> 01:52:02,360
Speaker 8: tom box him because he's violent. He's always getting into

2233
01:52:02,439 --> 01:52:04,560
Speaker 8: violent stuff. He's always getting getting the rested, getting the

2234
01:52:04,560 --> 01:52:08,080
Speaker 8: rested because Melica loves just to get down.

2235
01:52:08,600 --> 01:52:10,400
Speaker 2: So she was like, but how tall is he?

2236
01:52:10,880 --> 01:52:13,840
Speaker 8: He's short, Yeah, but he will stand up to the

2237
01:52:14,040 --> 01:52:15,599
Speaker 8: biggest the meanings.

2238
01:52:15,600 --> 01:52:16,160
Speaker 2: You've seen him.

2239
01:52:17,040 --> 01:52:21,000
Speaker 8: He does not give a fuck. Ever, he still doesn't.

2240
01:52:21,400 --> 01:52:22,960
Speaker 8: I just spoke to him another day. He just came

2241
01:52:23,040 --> 01:52:27,280
Speaker 8: home again. You know what I'm saying, that's that's my baby, man.

2242
01:52:27,360 --> 01:52:27,880
Speaker 2: Shout shout.

2243
01:52:28,200 --> 01:52:30,040
Speaker 8: That's why I call him. I said, baby, he'll call

2244
01:52:30,120 --> 01:52:32,519
Speaker 8: him hey, baby. You know he baby, you know, And

2245
01:52:32,680 --> 01:52:36,200
Speaker 8: that that's my rest, my bro. So he uh, but yeah,

2246
01:52:36,520 --> 01:52:39,240
Speaker 8: if it's on, he's he's ready. It don't matter what is,

2247
01:52:39,360 --> 01:52:39,920
Speaker 8: he'll pop it.

2248
01:52:40,000 --> 01:52:40,639
Speaker 2: He'll do whatever.

2249
01:52:41,000 --> 01:52:44,479
Speaker 8: But he's a great, little, soft hearted kind guy to

2250
01:52:44,600 --> 01:52:49,200
Speaker 8: you that. He's very cordial. But if it's a negative situation,

2251
01:52:49,360 --> 01:52:52,519
Speaker 8: he's ready for it. So just stay on his good side.

2252
01:52:53,960 --> 01:52:54,320
Speaker 2: He loves you.

2253
01:52:54,680 --> 01:52:57,360
Speaker 8: He'll be like Chris and he'll talk like a child.

2254
01:52:57,720 --> 01:52:59,560
Speaker 8: He'll leave your drums, you know.

2255
01:53:01,040 --> 01:53:01,200
Speaker 5: Man.

2256
01:53:04,520 --> 01:53:07,439
Speaker 8: But he wanted to box so bad. He was nice.

2257
01:53:07,560 --> 01:53:09,800
Speaker 8: So I was like, Judge, why don't you let him

2258
01:53:09,800 --> 01:53:11,760
Speaker 8: box because if he can make a profession out of it,

2259
01:53:11,880 --> 01:53:14,519
Speaker 8: that's a positive thing. She goes, no, it's violent. She goes,

2260
01:53:14,600 --> 01:53:17,479
Speaker 8: have you heard the word Remand I remember she said

2261
01:53:17,520 --> 01:53:20,240
Speaker 8: that I'm gonna remand him. She goes, you're in music,

2262
01:53:20,320 --> 01:53:22,560
Speaker 8: make him make a record. I was like, but so

2263
01:53:22,640 --> 01:53:24,960
Speaker 8: he didn't want to wrap. He would be like, I

2264
01:53:25,000 --> 01:53:27,320
Speaker 8: don't want to do this, so he would always disappear.

2265
01:53:27,400 --> 01:53:29,599
Speaker 8: So that's why, Gus, what you got?

2266
01:53:29,800 --> 01:53:32,719
Speaker 2: How long did it take to make the group on album?

2267
01:53:34,800 --> 01:53:41,040
Speaker 8: That was the most heaviest test in It was just

2268
01:53:41,160 --> 01:53:43,640
Speaker 8: a lot of just push and pull to get it

2269
01:53:43,720 --> 01:53:46,800
Speaker 8: to be that right. Because it is a great album

2270
01:53:47,080 --> 01:53:49,280
Speaker 8: for what it time to be, you know, and and

2271
01:53:49,479 --> 01:53:52,080
Speaker 8: uh and this is what it was when Jay Rue

2272
01:53:52,200 --> 01:53:56,439
Speaker 8: used to do his demos over at blackscrib his Black

2273
01:53:56,479 --> 01:53:59,559
Speaker 8: Big Sugar and and and and group. I wasn't even

2274
01:53:59,560 --> 01:54:02,040
Speaker 8: wrap and then they were doing the demos over Black's crib.

2275
01:54:02,520 --> 01:54:05,240
Speaker 8: That's how it led to gu saying, yo, we should

2276
01:54:05,240 --> 01:54:08,439
Speaker 8: start Gangsta Foundation. And he said we should both sign

2277
01:54:08,600 --> 01:54:11,639
Speaker 8: three artists. He said I'll sign three, and you signed three,

2278
01:54:11,880 --> 01:54:12,960
Speaker 8: and I said, well, who you gonna sign?

2279
01:54:13,000 --> 01:54:13,920
Speaker 2: He said, I want Jay.

2280
01:54:13,840 --> 01:54:16,360
Speaker 8: Rue, Group, Home and Shug And I was like, all right,

2281
01:54:16,439 --> 01:54:19,439
Speaker 8: well I don't have anybody yet, but eventually I'll get somebody,

2282
01:54:19,720 --> 01:54:21,080
Speaker 8: So let's start with him. He said, who do you

2283
01:54:21,080 --> 01:54:22,920
Speaker 8: think should go first? I said, Jay Rus the one

2284
01:54:23,000 --> 01:54:26,120
Speaker 8: is ready. He's got the voice, he's got the cocky attitude.

2285
01:54:26,560 --> 01:54:27,800
Speaker 8: You know he used to call himself. He was a

2286
01:54:27,920 --> 01:54:29,840
Speaker 8: real fat guy back the back in the day before

2287
01:54:29,840 --> 01:54:32,440
Speaker 8: he started doing the martial arts and got really in shape.

2288
01:54:32,480 --> 01:54:33,720
Speaker 8: And he was like he used to go up the

2289
01:54:33,760 --> 01:54:35,960
Speaker 8: girls going, yo, what's up baby, I'm Porky the pimp.

2290
01:54:36,160 --> 01:54:36,840
Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying.

2291
01:54:37,040 --> 01:54:41,280
Speaker 2: I want to date he's still doing yo. Yeah, he's good.

2292
01:54:42,360 --> 01:54:47,040
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yo, oh yeah, and ask you in the

2293
01:54:48,040 --> 01:54:50,880
Speaker 2: y'all together. Oh yeah, he's been around him.

2294
01:54:52,920 --> 01:54:54,360
Speaker 8: Yo, you want to date? And he said I'm the

2295
01:54:54,440 --> 01:54:57,000
Speaker 8: Fat Mac and he said you didn't matter. Fact group

2296
01:54:57,040 --> 01:54:59,280
Speaker 8: says that, Oh there goes my man, the Fat Mac

2297
01:54:59,360 --> 01:55:01,360
Speaker 8: on the Yeah.

2298
01:55:01,480 --> 01:55:01,640
Speaker 11: You know.

2299
01:55:01,800 --> 01:55:04,480
Speaker 8: So like these are the things that really happened. And

2300
01:55:04,920 --> 01:55:07,640
Speaker 8: so I was like, Rue is the most ready, let

2301
01:55:07,680 --> 01:55:09,360
Speaker 8: me do a demo with him. And I remember Llo

2302
01:55:09,440 --> 01:55:11,760
Speaker 8: cool J and Chris Lidi had just left my apartment

2303
01:55:11,840 --> 01:55:14,160
Speaker 8: that I was living at at the time to work

2304
01:55:14,200 --> 01:55:15,000
Speaker 8: with some LL stuff.

2305
01:55:15,000 --> 01:55:16,280
Speaker 2: But it never transpired.

2306
01:55:16,480 --> 01:55:20,560
Speaker 8: And uh, for what album U that had to be

2307
01:55:21,320 --> 01:55:22,080
Speaker 8: fourteen shots.

2308
01:55:22,760 --> 01:55:23,880
Speaker 2: It had to be fourteen shots.

2309
01:55:25,440 --> 01:55:28,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, fourteen shots that the dome had pink cookies, right, yeah,

2310
01:55:28,240 --> 01:55:29,200
Speaker 8: it was around that time.

2311
01:55:29,400 --> 01:55:34,920
Speaker 2: Damn you could have that album. I remember l was like, Yo, smoke,

2312
01:55:34,960 --> 01:55:36,760
Speaker 2: smoke a little of that good stuff. Maybe I'll get you.

2313
01:55:37,160 --> 01:55:37,760
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying.

2314
01:55:38,440 --> 01:55:42,760
Speaker 8: We're working on some hot you know. You know, I

2315
01:55:42,880 --> 01:55:44,360
Speaker 8: got some joints, some LL joints.

2316
01:55:44,480 --> 01:55:46,320
Speaker 2: I'll play it for you. I got some joints, you know.

2317
01:55:46,360 --> 01:55:50,400
Speaker 8: But but but but oh yeah, but then there in

2318
01:55:50,440 --> 01:55:53,520
Speaker 8: the vault, but in the meantime, since Jay Ruth seemed

2319
01:55:53,520 --> 01:55:56,400
Speaker 8: like he was the most ready, that's when we said, well,

2320
01:55:56,440 --> 01:55:58,960
Speaker 8: let's put him in on our next album, on Daily Operation.

2321
01:55:59,080 --> 01:56:01,320
Speaker 8: And that's what we did on the and that came

2322
01:56:01,360 --> 01:56:03,360
Speaker 8: out though, so we were like, yo, we got something.

2323
01:56:03,400 --> 01:56:05,320
Speaker 8: You know, these guys got a little little something. So

2324
01:56:05,400 --> 01:56:07,480
Speaker 8: that's why I was like, well, since I was specialized

2325
01:56:07,480 --> 01:56:09,760
Speaker 8: in the beat, Google, let me do the beats. We

2326
01:56:10,080 --> 01:56:12,560
Speaker 8: still split everything down the middle, all the deals, we

2327
01:56:12,680 --> 01:56:14,920
Speaker 8: still fifty fifty. Even if he doesn't touch anything on

2328
01:56:15,000 --> 01:56:17,320
Speaker 8: the album, I still make sure that Google gets his half.

2329
01:56:17,400 --> 01:56:19,800
Speaker 8: You know, people he's are spread spread rumors of not

2330
01:56:19,880 --> 01:56:22,360
Speaker 8: even knowing like he was getting more than him.

2331
01:56:22,360 --> 01:56:24,360
Speaker 2: It's like no, everything was split down the middle still is.

2332
01:56:24,680 --> 01:56:27,080
Speaker 2: Initially Jay Rue was going to be called the dirty

2333
01:56:27,160 --> 01:56:28,320
Speaker 2: rotten scoundrel.

2334
01:56:27,960 --> 01:56:30,920
Speaker 8: And dirty scandal and the R and B group came out.

2335
01:56:31,880 --> 01:56:39,320
Speaker 2: They came out for somebody intro Okay, thank you?

2336
01:56:40,600 --> 01:56:43,400
Speaker 8: I mean was mad about that, like yo, that's why

2337
01:56:43,480 --> 01:56:47,120
Speaker 8: he said uh on the originally the original don't sing.

2338
01:56:47,160 --> 01:56:50,920
Speaker 2: No R N Bay he was doing a jab at them.

2339
01:56:51,520 --> 01:56:54,200
Speaker 8: But but with Rue, once we start doing once come

2340
01:56:54,280 --> 01:56:57,400
Speaker 8: clean popped off, I just wanted to attack it. Just

2341
01:56:58,160 --> 01:57:01,440
Speaker 8: just taking drums and stuff that I knew, what what

2342
01:57:01,920 --> 01:57:04,400
Speaker 8: would you know not really be used byody. Nobody's gonna

2343
01:57:04,400 --> 01:57:06,720
Speaker 8: take Billy Jean and then take that and just bumm

2344
01:57:08,480 --> 01:57:11,080
Speaker 8: and just trickling, you know, and roy A is less clear,

2345
01:57:11,160 --> 01:57:15,400
Speaker 8: the sample and the yeah, and you know, everything was

2346
01:57:15,440 --> 01:57:18,320
Speaker 8: just rolling. But it wasn't like everything's gonna be just

2347
01:57:18,440 --> 01:57:21,320
Speaker 8: break beats or taking you'll like it to or nothing

2348
01:57:21,360 --> 01:57:23,800
Speaker 8: like that. They just it was just so taboo though

2349
01:57:23,800 --> 01:57:28,600
Speaker 8: they were just coming. It's coming, man, I don't know.

2350
01:57:30,680 --> 01:57:34,520
Speaker 5: Again, it was it was so taboo that that at

2351
01:57:34,560 --> 01:57:38,960
Speaker 5: that point then I realized, like, oh, I feel like

2352
01:57:39,080 --> 01:57:42,760
Speaker 5: that was the first time I realized the value of flipping.

2353
01:57:43,600 --> 01:57:43,960
Speaker 8: Hmmm.

2354
01:57:44,080 --> 01:57:46,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, because then it's like because.

2355
01:57:46,480 --> 01:57:49,680
Speaker 5: When I when I love mental stamina, and I was like, damn,

2356
01:57:49,840 --> 01:57:55,800
Speaker 5: Like I never considered Billy Jean breakable, right right, you

2357
01:57:55,880 --> 01:57:58,320
Speaker 5: have to take the whole thing. I know there's isolated

2358
01:57:58,360 --> 01:58:01,440
Speaker 5: drums there, but he actually made it work. So now

2359
01:58:01,640 --> 01:58:05,000
Speaker 5: I gotta I gotta listen to all these records all

2360
01:58:05,040 --> 01:58:10,440
Speaker 5: over again and figure out how to recontextualize and make

2361
01:58:10,480 --> 01:58:11,040
Speaker 5: it breakable.

2362
01:58:11,160 --> 01:58:14,720
Speaker 2: My moment for that was the my unbreakable pre moment

2363
01:58:14,880 --> 01:58:15,720
Speaker 2: was when I heard.

2364
01:58:17,160 --> 01:58:20,440
Speaker 10: Ten Crack Commandments because I had that record, which I

2365
01:58:20,480 --> 01:58:22,680
Speaker 10: don't want to snitch, but yeah.

2366
01:58:22,600 --> 01:58:25,320
Speaker 2: Well Leslie Nilsen Nigga Gun.

2367
01:58:26,200 --> 01:58:31,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, I like that had Nigga Gun like that, but no,

2368
01:58:31,600 --> 01:58:33,520
Speaker 5: I had it, and so I used to just play

2369
01:58:33,600 --> 01:58:37,440
Speaker 5: that song original, no, no, yeah, yeah, the.

2370
01:58:37,480 --> 01:58:42,920
Speaker 8: Original because those are just program kicks and stands, and

2371
01:58:43,040 --> 01:58:43,280
Speaker 8: so I.

2372
01:58:43,280 --> 01:58:45,680
Speaker 10: Would just play that song like in the morning, getting

2373
01:58:45,680 --> 01:58:48,160
Speaker 10: ready for school whatever. And so then when Life after

2374
01:58:48,240 --> 01:58:52,160
Speaker 10: That came out and everybody was like, yo, joint, that's

2375
01:58:52,160 --> 01:58:54,120
Speaker 10: the one. That's the one. So you know, we get

2376
01:58:54,200 --> 01:58:56,520
Speaker 10: school and we're in the parking lot and my man

2377
01:58:56,680 --> 01:58:58,960
Speaker 10: is playing it and the joint comes off.

2378
01:59:00,040 --> 01:59:04,920
Speaker 2: Waiting for the rest, I'm like like, yo, that's remember.

2379
01:59:04,920 --> 01:59:07,240
Speaker 2: I'm not the only one. I'm like, I'm like no one.

2380
01:59:07,200 --> 01:59:09,480
Speaker 8: Else because the way that it's looping is the way

2381
01:59:09,480 --> 01:59:11,280
Speaker 8: I was scratching it. Because the drums were already were

2382
01:59:11,360 --> 01:59:14,200
Speaker 8: laid and we were doing a promo for Angie Martinez.

2383
01:59:14,240 --> 01:59:16,160
Speaker 8: It wasn't for us or we were just doing a

2384
01:59:16,240 --> 01:59:17,040
Speaker 8: promo for Angie.

2385
01:59:17,120 --> 01:59:17,840
Speaker 2: That was a throat.

2386
01:59:18,760 --> 01:59:24,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, listen, it's called Angie Martinez. Used to have a

2387
01:59:25,160 --> 01:59:27,280
Speaker 8: just when Angie was like the new hot thing, and

2388
01:59:27,360 --> 01:59:29,760
Speaker 8: she was, you know, brand new. Everybody loved Angie, so

2389
01:59:29,920 --> 01:59:33,080
Speaker 8: everybody was doing promos for it that were Dope Wu

2390
01:59:33,160 --> 01:59:35,520
Speaker 8: tang the Onyx, and they were just so incredible. So

2391
01:59:36,080 --> 01:59:38,960
Speaker 8: jay Rue was very popping at the time, and we

2392
01:59:39,040 --> 01:59:41,160
Speaker 8: said we're gonna do one because she loved Jr. Was

2393
01:59:41,240 --> 01:59:44,440
Speaker 8: damaged so because and so when we were doing it,

2394
01:59:44,920 --> 01:59:48,600
Speaker 8: she had a show called The Hot Five at nine. Yeah,

2395
01:59:48,840 --> 01:59:53,600
Speaker 8: that's why I'm only scratching nine. It goes one throe

2396
01:59:54,320 --> 01:59:56,640
Speaker 8: eight nine, nine o'clock. And then after that I was

2397
01:59:56,680 --> 01:59:56,920
Speaker 8: just going.

2398
01:59:57,000 --> 02:00:02,280
Speaker 2: One, two, three, four, fives back, three four five.

2399
02:00:02,480 --> 02:00:05,360
Speaker 8: I don't go past five until right before the verse

2400
02:00:05,640 --> 02:00:08,640
Speaker 8: one of two, three, five, seven, eight, nine, eight nine.

2401
02:00:09,480 --> 02:00:11,240
Speaker 8: It wasn't no ten, So that was.

2402
02:00:12,720 --> 02:00:13,120
Speaker 2: Martin.

2403
02:00:14,320 --> 02:00:15,920
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's called the Hot Five.

2404
02:00:16,000 --> 02:00:18,160
Speaker 2: I have the song Jesus Christ. All right, you're listening

2405
02:00:18,160 --> 02:00:21,160
Speaker 2: to some supreme. We're taking a quick break to.

2406
02:00:21,200 --> 02:00:24,120
Speaker 5: Paying bills and get into our final hour with special

2407
02:00:24,200 --> 02:00:31,640
Speaker 5: guests DJ Premiere right after this. All right, this is

2408
02:00:31,720 --> 02:00:36,320
Speaker 5: our final hour of fanning out with DJ Premier, who

2409
02:00:36,520 --> 02:00:39,600
Speaker 5: just revealed to us that some of his.

2410
02:00:39,680 --> 02:00:42,120
Speaker 2: Throwaways is some of the greatest things on ever.

2411
02:00:42,400 --> 02:00:45,120
Speaker 5: It seems to be a common theme on this show. Yeah,

2412
02:00:45,400 --> 02:00:49,280
Speaker 5: just now, I'm not I'm just gonna work on ship

2413
02:00:49,360 --> 02:00:58,080
Speaker 5: for two minutes. And god, I had a oh big question.

2414
02:00:58,000 --> 02:00:58,520
Speaker 2: Not to cut you.

2415
02:00:58,680 --> 02:01:01,240
Speaker 8: So when we did the High five and nine and

2416
02:01:01,600 --> 02:01:04,960
Speaker 8: it uh, And how I got to big is because

2417
02:01:05,120 --> 02:01:07,960
Speaker 8: Puff was on High ninety seven and that particular day

2418
02:01:08,040 --> 02:01:10,720
Speaker 8: she played the promo and I mean she had played

2419
02:01:10,760 --> 02:01:12,680
Speaker 8: in many other times, you know, because you mix them

2420
02:01:12,720 --> 02:01:14,640
Speaker 8: up and then you know, you still hear somebody else promo.

2421
02:01:14,720 --> 02:01:18,240
Speaker 8: A couple of weeks later, he heard that and my

2422
02:01:18,360 --> 02:01:22,040
Speaker 8: boy Danny was like, yo uh. He hit me on

2423
02:01:22,120 --> 02:01:25,280
Speaker 8: my beeper and was like, yo uh that telling Puff

2424
02:01:25,360 --> 02:01:26,800
Speaker 8: is telling you to call him on Hot ninety seven.

2425
02:01:26,840 --> 02:01:29,720
Speaker 8: I'm like, for real. He's like yeah, He's like he's

2426
02:01:29,760 --> 02:01:31,800
Speaker 8: like turning on and I turn it on and he's

2427
02:01:31,840 --> 02:01:33,880
Speaker 8: talking about other stuff and you know, now that deep

2428
02:01:33,920 --> 02:01:36,600
Speaker 8: into their interview and then finally he goes prem call me,

2429
02:01:37,000 --> 02:01:39,680
Speaker 8: and then I called and that's when when he said,

2430
02:01:39,720 --> 02:01:42,480
Speaker 8: yo big once that once that beat, and I was

2431
02:01:42,520 --> 02:01:44,440
Speaker 8: like all right, but you know now as Jay Rowe

2432
02:01:44,520 --> 02:01:46,480
Speaker 8: is he cool with and he's like yeah, and Jay

2433
02:01:46,600 --> 02:01:47,480
Speaker 8: was say, yo, that's hip hop.

2434
02:01:47,520 --> 02:01:48,040
Speaker 2: It's all good.

2435
02:01:48,120 --> 02:01:50,120
Speaker 8: And then I gave it the big so I just

2436
02:01:50,280 --> 02:01:54,000
Speaker 8: muted the it's the callient te Sinco Allen, whoever?

2437
02:01:57,040 --> 02:01:57,200
Speaker 13: You know?

2438
02:01:58,200 --> 02:02:03,920
Speaker 5: Was that two tracks of the sample because I tried

2439
02:02:03,960 --> 02:02:07,240
Speaker 5: to do it at once and can't. In other words,

2440
02:02:10,920 --> 02:02:13,000
Speaker 5: because you're using three tones to it. Did you do

2441
02:02:13,120 --> 02:02:14,760
Speaker 5: it on two tracks or straight one.

2442
02:02:14,720 --> 02:02:16,840
Speaker 8: Track one tracker? But then I put it in my

2443
02:02:16,880 --> 02:02:20,160
Speaker 8: sampler and just just made sure I had had a trigger,

2444
02:02:20,240 --> 02:02:22,400
Speaker 8: so so I scratched my none at that time. Yes,

2445
02:02:23,000 --> 02:02:28,800
Speaker 8: that's the one thing. One time I knew I wanted

2446
02:02:28,840 --> 02:02:31,680
Speaker 8: to because when you're doing a live, I was liking

2447
02:02:31,720 --> 02:02:33,200
Speaker 8: it so much that I was like, it has to

2448
02:02:33,320 --> 02:02:35,800
Speaker 8: sound just like that, And then I went on pro tools.

2449
02:02:35,880 --> 02:02:38,320
Speaker 8: Yet you know what I'm saying, I'm still still that's so,

2450
02:02:40,040 --> 02:02:42,560
Speaker 8: so I just made so what I do. I used

2451
02:02:42,600 --> 02:02:45,520
Speaker 8: to used to click. I still do this. I click

2452
02:02:45,600 --> 02:02:49,360
Speaker 8: in my head and just be like and and imagine

2453
02:02:49,400 --> 02:02:51,280
Speaker 8: it's the same tempo as the way I wanted to be.

2454
02:02:51,840 --> 02:02:53,600
Speaker 8: And then I just told that when you hit the

2455
02:02:53,760 --> 02:02:58,280
Speaker 8: record on the sampler, I could go and then yeah,

2456
02:02:58,280 --> 02:03:01,880
Speaker 8: I programmed that that way. It's so loose it's like

2457
02:03:01,960 --> 02:03:05,040
Speaker 8: I'm doing it by hand, which technically I am.

2458
02:03:05,360 --> 02:03:08,760
Speaker 2: Is it is it true that for Biggie, Is it

2459
02:03:08,840 --> 02:03:10,200
Speaker 2: true that it was his idea to put the r

2460
02:03:10,280 --> 02:03:11,240
Speaker 2: Kelly sample? Yeah?

2461
02:03:12,160 --> 02:03:14,000
Speaker 8: Yeah, he was on the way out and he's like, yo,

2462
02:03:14,840 --> 02:03:16,920
Speaker 8: put that unbelievable from Mark Kelly. I was like, yea,

2463
02:03:16,960 --> 02:03:17,960
Speaker 8: it might not be in tone.

2464
02:03:18,400 --> 02:03:22,520
Speaker 2: And I was about decision. I'm very key conscious, you know.

2465
02:03:22,520 --> 02:03:23,960
Speaker 8: I'm like, I know you, I'm sure you.

2466
02:03:24,360 --> 02:03:27,240
Speaker 2: I was running the decision behind men like it works.

2467
02:03:27,480 --> 02:03:31,680
Speaker 2: But oh my god, I always thought that was a woman.

2468
02:03:36,000 --> 02:03:38,560
Speaker 8: Calling, which is one of my favorite songs.

2469
02:03:40,040 --> 02:03:46,280
Speaker 2: Twelve at the time I had.

2470
02:03:48,840 --> 02:03:50,360
Speaker 8: Featuring our Collie Dogs.

2471
02:03:50,400 --> 02:03:55,760
Speaker 5: I was like, wow, okay, so can you confirm? Can

2472
02:03:55,840 --> 02:03:57,520
Speaker 5: you confirm that that's Patricia Russian?

2473
02:03:59,040 --> 02:04:06,080
Speaker 2: Unbelievable? Unbelieve No, okay, wait, wait, wait, wait wait, because

2474
02:04:06,120 --> 02:04:07,720
Speaker 2: are you? Are you confirm?

2475
02:04:08,360 --> 02:04:11,920
Speaker 5: Just snaps the stabs and I just pitched it. I

2476
02:04:12,120 --> 02:04:15,840
Speaker 5: was told that the I thought the stab was from U.

2477
02:04:16,480 --> 02:04:17,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, remind me.

2478
02:04:17,880 --> 02:04:19,920
Speaker 8: I thought, you'll excuse me, I'm just asked student question.

2479
02:04:20,200 --> 02:04:22,080
Speaker 12: I really thought stabs was just like a slang term,

2480
02:04:22,120 --> 02:04:23,800
Speaker 12: but that is a real technical term when it comes

2481
02:04:23,840 --> 02:04:24,800
Speaker 12: to like it's an.

2482
02:04:26,480 --> 02:04:31,880
Speaker 5: Okay, it's that much of an audio when the horns goes.

2483
02:04:33,120 --> 02:04:33,800
Speaker 2: The horn stab.

2484
02:04:34,160 --> 02:04:35,800
Speaker 8: Yeah that was that wasn't price Russian?

2485
02:04:35,880 --> 02:04:38,080
Speaker 2: No, back to square.

2486
02:04:38,320 --> 02:04:40,760
Speaker 8: You see, you know what you see if when I

2487
02:04:40,840 --> 02:04:44,200
Speaker 8: hit it as a RATTLETT has a little rattle. And

2488
02:04:44,360 --> 02:04:46,680
Speaker 8: so I back then, before I could play bass notes

2489
02:04:46,720 --> 02:04:49,160
Speaker 8: on a keyboard, I used to just pitch everything on

2490
02:04:49,240 --> 02:04:51,280
Speaker 8: the nine fifty. So so if it needs to be

2491
02:04:51,720 --> 02:04:54,320
Speaker 8: boom boom boom, I just boom boom boom boom boom

2492
02:04:54,320 --> 02:04:56,720
Speaker 8: boom boom boom, and just and just put them on

2493
02:04:56,800 --> 02:04:59,080
Speaker 8: the same output so that could cut them. So I

2494
02:04:59,120 --> 02:05:01,680
Speaker 8: was just gonna boom boom boom boom boom.

2495
02:05:01,800 --> 02:05:06,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, but no, but yeah, are you going to reveal

2496
02:05:06,720 --> 02:05:07,640
Speaker 2: what that staff is?

2497
02:05:08,760 --> 02:05:10,800
Speaker 8: Come by the studio. I'll load it up because I

2498
02:05:10,840 --> 02:05:11,960
Speaker 8: found the I found it.

2499
02:05:13,040 --> 02:05:14,840
Speaker 2: I found it. If you.

2500
02:05:20,440 --> 02:05:24,680
Speaker 8: Just tell us what it is, that's behind the scenes.

2501
02:05:24,720 --> 02:05:29,320
Speaker 8: But come by everything already when you load it up,

2502
02:05:29,320 --> 02:05:30,920
Speaker 8: it's automatically on the pads and everything.

2503
02:05:32,120 --> 02:05:33,480
Speaker 2: I'll even let you. I'll even let you.

2504
02:05:33,600 --> 02:05:40,680
Speaker 8: I'll film you even doing it yourself, and in peace

2505
02:05:40,800 --> 02:05:41,000
Speaker 8: is just.

2506
02:05:42,480 --> 02:05:46,360
Speaker 2: We know. But yeah, man, And.

2507
02:05:46,440 --> 02:05:49,680
Speaker 8: Even that looked like beach again because Peach came from

2508
02:05:49,920 --> 02:05:52,320
Speaker 8: Big On calling me going. I was like, Big, I

2509
02:05:52,360 --> 02:05:53,880
Speaker 8: don't have time to do a beat and he's like, yo,

2510
02:05:53,960 --> 02:05:55,520
Speaker 8: I just need this one for the bat side of

2511
02:05:55,600 --> 02:05:58,040
Speaker 8: my single Juicy. And I was like, I don't have time.

2512
02:05:58,080 --> 02:05:59,360
Speaker 2: He goes, man, you could do in peach.

2513
02:05:59,400 --> 02:06:03,160
Speaker 8: I don't care anything, and I said, okay, come by,

2514
02:06:03,680 --> 02:06:10,480
Speaker 8: came by, and because I remember I had remember the legion, Yeah.

2515
02:06:10,360 --> 02:06:11,080
Speaker 7: That was.

2516
02:06:13,440 --> 02:06:15,320
Speaker 8: He goes another world. I'm a big mother man, and

2517
02:06:15,440 --> 02:06:16,960
Speaker 8: I had to go on so it was gonna boom

2518
02:06:17,000 --> 02:06:20,360
Speaker 8: boom boom. I'm a big, I'm a I'm a big

2519
02:06:20,840 --> 02:06:21,200
Speaker 8: and big.

2520
02:06:21,440 --> 02:06:22,920
Speaker 2: I don't like that. And I was like, yo, it's

2521
02:06:22,960 --> 02:06:25,760
Speaker 2: dope because you're big and I'm a big. I'm a big.

2522
02:06:27,800 --> 02:06:29,640
Speaker 8: I'm a big, big, big, big big And he's like no.

2523
02:06:30,320 --> 02:06:32,160
Speaker 2: And then.

2524
02:06:36,440 --> 02:06:38,560
Speaker 8: And then that's why he came up with the YO

2525
02:06:38,800 --> 02:06:42,240
Speaker 8: user R Kelly. And then that's how Kelly got cool

2526
02:06:42,480 --> 02:06:44,280
Speaker 8: because Kelly loved the record because you know that we

2527
02:06:44,360 --> 02:06:45,480
Speaker 8: had to go through him to clear it. And then

2528
02:06:45,560 --> 02:06:49,240
Speaker 8: then then they started doing every day and you know,

2529
02:06:49,360 --> 02:06:50,880
Speaker 8: big just on everything.

2530
02:06:51,000 --> 02:06:52,760
Speaker 2: Then after that, that's dope. Man.

2531
02:06:53,200 --> 02:06:57,520
Speaker 5: He has any illmatic questions? Is there anything about your

2532
02:06:57,560 --> 02:06:59,040
Speaker 5: illment scusions that we don't know?

2533
02:07:00,040 --> 02:07:01,560
Speaker 2: Hmmm? Is there?

2534
02:07:03,120 --> 02:07:08,360
Speaker 5: Like I've been ready for ready to Die question, because

2535
02:07:08,840 --> 02:07:12,000
Speaker 5: the original version of you.

2536
02:07:12,040 --> 02:07:13,360
Speaker 2: Want to Be Hardcore? Yeah?

2537
02:07:13,680 --> 02:07:19,120
Speaker 5: Yeah, Why even though I like thet the version that's

2538
02:07:19,160 --> 02:07:23,560
Speaker 5: on it, why did you ever made it like that?

2539
02:07:25,920 --> 02:07:26,160
Speaker 2: Yeah?

2540
02:07:26,560 --> 02:07:30,240
Speaker 8: Wait, I guess what it's called. It's called I don't

2541
02:07:30,360 --> 02:07:33,480
Speaker 8: like this remix, That's what it's. I just gave it

2542
02:07:33,560 --> 02:07:37,280
Speaker 8: to I just he just asked me for it yesterday

2543
02:07:37,440 --> 02:07:39,240
Speaker 8: because he say he's coming next week to New York

2544
02:07:39,280 --> 02:07:41,040
Speaker 8: and he's like, anywhere I can get that cause he's

2545
02:07:41,160 --> 02:07:44,160
Speaker 8: only got a radio rip and it sounds horrible, and yeah, yeah,

2546
02:07:44,600 --> 02:07:46,400
Speaker 8: I'll give it to you. You know, I got the instrument.

2547
02:07:46,440 --> 02:07:47,480
Speaker 2: Why don't you like it?

2548
02:07:47,760 --> 02:07:49,280
Speaker 8: I just thought it could have been better. You know,

2549
02:07:49,320 --> 02:07:52,600
Speaker 8: it's big, you know, and I think everything I've done

2550
02:07:52,640 --> 02:07:53,640
Speaker 8: prior to that is better than.

2551
02:07:53,960 --> 02:07:57,160
Speaker 2: In that case. What three beat of yours? Are you? Like?

2552
02:07:58,440 --> 02:08:01,880
Speaker 2: That's like a stable to us? M hmm, Like I

2553
02:08:01,960 --> 02:08:05,760
Speaker 2: don't like Memory Lane? What NAS is like? Yo?

2554
02:08:09,400 --> 02:08:11,600
Speaker 8: NAS was making fun of the Reuben Wilson cover because

2555
02:08:11,840 --> 02:08:16,640
Speaker 8: look at this, dude, like, like you.

2556
02:08:16,680 --> 02:08:18,120
Speaker 2: Know what it sounds like.

2557
02:08:18,240 --> 02:08:21,800
Speaker 5: But this is the thing, all right, it's it's it's

2558
02:08:21,840 --> 02:08:24,920
Speaker 5: a synesthesia thing for me because it's like when I

2559
02:08:25,040 --> 02:08:25,320
Speaker 5: hear it.

2560
02:08:25,600 --> 02:08:27,920
Speaker 2: It feels like winter. It feels like.

2561
02:08:29,520 --> 02:08:31,600
Speaker 5: It's something about that loop that makes it feel like

2562
02:08:31,680 --> 02:08:35,360
Speaker 5: it's winter outside. Like there's certain loops that make you

2563
02:08:35,560 --> 02:08:38,600
Speaker 5: see some ship the same way that I saw that

2564
02:08:38,800 --> 02:08:45,560
Speaker 5: Funhouse on for Better, I see him sitting on a park.

2565
02:08:47,280 --> 02:08:50,200
Speaker 2: It's that's winter like. It's like, I don't know if

2566
02:08:50,200 --> 02:08:52,720
Speaker 2: it's yeah, but yeah.

2567
02:08:52,800 --> 02:08:55,200
Speaker 8: Well but for one with Memory Lane, I never liked

2568
02:08:55,240 --> 02:08:57,600
Speaker 8: it because I thought New York State. I wanted to

2569
02:08:57,720 --> 02:09:01,120
Speaker 8: just do New York State of Mind represents even represented.

2570
02:09:01,960 --> 02:09:04,000
Speaker 8: That's the remix. The one is on the album is

2571
02:09:04,000 --> 02:09:04,440
Speaker 8: a remix.

2572
02:09:05,840 --> 02:09:06,040
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2573
02:09:06,360 --> 02:09:10,760
Speaker 8: The original is some baseline jazz sample. I use I

2574
02:09:10,840 --> 02:09:12,280
Speaker 8: got the original version. I'll give that too.

2575
02:09:12,440 --> 02:09:15,120
Speaker 2: How did you switch at the last one? Represented?

2576
02:09:15,160 --> 02:09:18,840
Speaker 8: The first record we did period and uh and after

2577
02:09:18,920 --> 02:09:23,560
Speaker 8: I heard I was there at that session, Pete did

2578
02:09:23,600 --> 02:09:24,920
Speaker 8: all them scratched than one take.

2579
02:09:25,000 --> 02:09:26,400
Speaker 2: We were at that battery.

2580
02:09:27,080 --> 02:09:30,440
Speaker 8: Then Q Tip Medal met up with us and Pause

2581
02:09:30,600 --> 02:09:33,840
Speaker 8: mixed the Heath Brothers and brought the cassette to NODS

2582
02:09:33,840 --> 02:09:38,160
Speaker 8: because I was giving them ride to me that I

2583
02:09:38,200 --> 02:09:42,440
Speaker 8: saw Pause tape. I was there. I wasn't when he

2584
02:09:42,480 --> 02:09:44,160
Speaker 8: made it. Was that when he brought it to give

2585
02:09:44,200 --> 02:09:45,920
Speaker 8: to Nas because I was giving Nas a ride to

2586
02:09:45,960 --> 02:09:48,800
Speaker 8: meet up with Puff and I'm giving him a ride.

2587
02:09:49,400 --> 02:09:51,320
Speaker 8: And we met up with Tip and he gave the

2588
02:09:51,360 --> 02:09:54,040
Speaker 8: cassette and if you hear the cassette, it's going.

2589
02:09:54,200 --> 02:09:59,600
Speaker 2: Boom, man.

2590
02:10:01,200 --> 02:10:03,240
Speaker 8: So you're just like, what in the fuck is this

2591
02:10:03,880 --> 02:10:05,560
Speaker 8: because I didn't know what the Heath Brothers was at

2592
02:10:05,600 --> 02:10:09,960
Speaker 8: that time, and it's just like and it's going, you know,

2593
02:10:10,160 --> 02:10:11,200
Speaker 8: some of them are on, you.

2594
02:10:11,240 --> 02:10:11,600
Speaker 2: Know when you.

2595
02:10:13,480 --> 02:10:16,280
Speaker 8: Get four balls tight and then you'll be a little off.

2596
02:10:16,760 --> 02:10:19,879
Speaker 2: And no, I was like, yo, man, this is Jesus.

2597
02:10:20,400 --> 02:10:23,000
Speaker 8: Yeah. So I was like, yo, man, I gotta change

2598
02:10:23,000 --> 02:10:24,160
Speaker 8: his mind because New York state of mind.

2599
02:10:24,160 --> 02:10:26,400
Speaker 2: I was happy. I was like, this is what we

2600
02:10:26,440 --> 02:10:29,360
Speaker 2: suposed to make. I just like I said, I love.

2601
02:10:29,200 --> 02:10:32,800
Speaker 8: When the streets have something that that that that that

2602
02:10:33,160 --> 02:10:35,840
Speaker 8: feeds their their pain and anger and stuff, you know.

2603
02:10:35,960 --> 02:10:38,320
Speaker 8: So that's why I like it just as gutter as possible,

2604
02:10:38,440 --> 02:10:41,680
Speaker 8: so even even when it's melodic. But so with Memory Lane,

2605
02:10:41,720 --> 02:10:44,280
Speaker 8: I was just like when I was laughing at the cover,

2606
02:10:45,360 --> 02:10:47,560
Speaker 8: he was just like, yeah, he's like this, this dude

2607
02:10:47,600 --> 02:10:50,960
Speaker 8: looks funny. And then we heard that dude, he was like, Yo,

2608
02:10:51,160 --> 02:10:51,440
Speaker 8: that's it.

2609
02:10:51,640 --> 02:10:51,880
Speaker 2: That's it.

2610
02:10:52,000 --> 02:10:54,880
Speaker 8: I'm like, nah, that's too happy. He said, no, I

2611
02:10:55,360 --> 02:10:58,080
Speaker 8: hooked that up. I'm like, nah, I need some hard stuff.

2612
02:10:58,400 --> 02:11:00,600
Speaker 2: That's the thing though, like I feel like you be

2613
02:11:00,680 --> 02:11:04,640
Speaker 2: trying to match, especially like in Later. You gotta be

2614
02:11:04,680 --> 02:11:05,360
Speaker 2: as gun as them.

2615
02:11:05,760 --> 02:11:09,000
Speaker 5: But if you if you think about it, some of

2616
02:11:09,040 --> 02:11:11,840
Speaker 5: the most menacing sound in hip hop is when there's

2617
02:11:11,880 --> 02:11:15,240
Speaker 5: a contradiction. Yeah, there you go, so that beautiful loop

2618
02:11:15,480 --> 02:11:19,240
Speaker 5: over how he's delivering it. It works even when Shook One.

2619
02:11:19,240 --> 02:11:21,800
Speaker 5: I'bout to say Shook Ones yet because he and them

2620
02:11:21,920 --> 02:11:25,480
Speaker 5: they're not like I thought IRONX was the pinnacle of hardcore,

2621
02:11:26,360 --> 02:11:28,240
Speaker 5: and then they come with this like Robert de Niro

2622
02:11:28,400 --> 02:11:31,440
Speaker 5: deadpan ship and it stares the ship out of you.

2623
02:11:32,360 --> 02:11:35,480
Speaker 5: It works that way, man, like the beautiful ship works with.

2624
02:11:35,800 --> 02:11:37,440
Speaker 8: And I put the drums to it and he was like,

2625
02:11:37,560 --> 02:11:39,520
Speaker 8: that's it. But the one I heard him spit the

2626
02:11:39,600 --> 02:11:43,360
Speaker 8: I rap for listeners, I was like, wow, this is

2627
02:11:43,440 --> 02:11:46,000
Speaker 8: kind of cool, but I still was not crazy about it.

2628
02:11:46,000 --> 02:11:49,480
Speaker 8: Then once I heard the one love, I was like,

2629
02:11:49,560 --> 02:11:52,600
Speaker 8: I'm changing my represent and so I gave I gave

2630
02:11:53,200 --> 02:11:54,760
Speaker 8: the new remix and he's.

2631
02:11:54,640 --> 02:11:57,360
Speaker 2: Like, no, I go back.

2632
02:11:58,800 --> 02:12:01,160
Speaker 8: I just pushed and pushed him, push, like come on, please,

2633
02:12:01,720 --> 02:12:04,080
Speaker 8: like let's roll with this one.

2634
02:12:04,160 --> 02:12:07,080
Speaker 2: This is the one, this is the one. He was

2635
02:12:07,160 --> 02:12:07,440
Speaker 2: like no.

2636
02:12:07,720 --> 02:12:10,760
Speaker 5: He totally was like, no, okay, before we wrap up

2637
02:12:11,520 --> 02:12:17,480
Speaker 5: one more client, hoo, okay, your your whole process like.

2638
02:12:18,360 --> 02:12:21,440
Speaker 8: He for a reasonable doubt, reasonable doubt, he would just

2639
02:12:21,520 --> 02:12:23,840
Speaker 8: call me and go, yo, I got this song, and

2640
02:12:23,920 --> 02:12:25,880
Speaker 8: he would do the rhyme off of the phone and

2641
02:12:26,080 --> 02:12:27,440
Speaker 8: be like, yo, and I want you to do this.

2642
02:12:27,640 --> 02:12:29,800
Speaker 8: Dear god, I wonder, say me, I can't you know,

2643
02:12:29,880 --> 02:12:31,760
Speaker 8: I can't die. I can't die all that stuff.

2644
02:12:32,160 --> 02:12:32,320
Speaker 2: Man.

2645
02:12:32,440 --> 02:12:33,840
Speaker 8: I was like, all right, I'll meet you down there.

2646
02:12:34,480 --> 02:12:35,280
Speaker 2: He got there.

2647
02:12:35,280 --> 02:12:38,960
Speaker 8: I had He's like, that's it, goes in and does it,

2648
02:12:39,880 --> 02:12:41,800
Speaker 8: friend of foe. We I was just cause I make

2649
02:12:41,840 --> 02:12:44,280
Speaker 8: my beats on the spot. You know, I'm known for that,

2650
02:12:44,360 --> 02:12:48,360
Speaker 8: and that's how I've always that's always every time, every time.

2651
02:12:48,520 --> 02:12:50,480
Speaker 8: I never be like, yo, his ten beats, pick one.

2652
02:12:51,040 --> 02:12:52,440
Speaker 8: I sit there and make it right.

2653
02:12:52,560 --> 02:12:52,720
Speaker 12: There.

2654
02:12:53,080 --> 02:12:55,040
Speaker 2: Isn't that too much pressure when cats are watching you though,

2655
02:12:55,520 --> 02:12:57,160
Speaker 2: It's the only way I know. I thought, that's how

2656
02:12:57,200 --> 02:12:57,840
Speaker 2: you do ship.

2657
02:12:57,960 --> 02:13:02,040
Speaker 5: You know something, first time ever met you, you were

2658
02:13:02,080 --> 02:13:05,480
Speaker 5: making him czach like they don't know. Oh, man, I

2659
02:13:05,600 --> 02:13:10,760
Speaker 5: totally forgotten fucking we were with We were with the

2660
02:13:10,840 --> 02:13:13,960
Speaker 5: Beat Beat minus making a sound treatment. Remissed the.

2661
02:13:15,560 --> 02:13:17,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, we were.

2662
02:13:17,880 --> 02:13:22,760
Speaker 5: And then I kept hearing this bell going off and

2663
02:13:22,880 --> 02:13:25,520
Speaker 5: I was we were watching that ship. I totally forgot

2664
02:13:25,640 --> 02:13:28,040
Speaker 5: you were like making that right, he's on the spot.

2665
02:13:28,200 --> 02:13:32,240
Speaker 8: Yeah and oh the rewinded the nas madic Sean Nicholson,

2666
02:13:32,280 --> 02:13:35,960
Speaker 8: who did the Rebel Kings about all the Gangs videos.

2667
02:13:37,080 --> 02:13:39,280
Speaker 8: He was a guest on my radio show and he said,

2668
02:13:39,760 --> 02:13:41,440
Speaker 8: he said, yo, he said, I got a crazy story

2669
02:13:41,520 --> 02:13:43,800
Speaker 8: for you because, like you know, he said, we met before.

2670
02:13:43,840 --> 02:13:45,280
Speaker 8: I mean to tell you the story when we go

2671
02:13:45,360 --> 02:13:47,960
Speaker 8: on here and he said, yo, he said, you came

2672
02:13:48,040 --> 02:13:52,600
Speaker 8: in to give Nas the memory lane dat to let

2673
02:13:52,680 --> 02:13:56,560
Speaker 8: him hear the final mix at Chun King. He said,

2674
02:13:56,640 --> 02:13:58,480
Speaker 8: I was an intern there and he's said on the

2675
02:13:58,560 --> 02:14:01,840
Speaker 8: way out and uh. And they introduced me a z

2676
02:14:02,080 --> 02:14:04,080
Speaker 8: all that was there. They just don't likee and bits.

2677
02:14:04,120 --> 02:14:04,720
Speaker 2: They played it for me.

2678
02:14:04,720 --> 02:14:07,320
Speaker 8: I met Na's father. I watched father go in the

2679
02:14:07,360 --> 02:14:09,680
Speaker 8: booth and do the horn part in one take. Well,

2680
02:14:09,720 --> 02:14:11,080
Speaker 8: he did a couple of takes, but the one that

2681
02:14:11,200 --> 02:14:13,680
Speaker 8: he said this is the one that's the one that

2682
02:14:13,760 --> 02:14:16,800
Speaker 8: ended up on the album. But I remember he said, uh,

2683
02:14:17,480 --> 02:14:19,280
Speaker 8: he said on the way out, I said, don't forget

2684
02:14:20,440 --> 02:14:23,400
Speaker 8: when the phone, when the answer machine goes off, whatever

2685
02:14:23,520 --> 02:14:25,400
Speaker 8: you do say I chill.

2686
02:14:25,760 --> 02:14:27,600
Speaker 2: He goes, okay, God, and you.

2687
02:14:27,640 --> 02:14:30,560
Speaker 8: Know, but for him to be in turn and and

2688
02:14:30,760 --> 02:14:32,440
Speaker 8: he said, at that time, it was like, what is it?

2689
02:14:33,200 --> 02:14:35,120
Speaker 8: Because I said, no, matter what you do, that's what

2690
02:14:35,120 --> 02:14:36,800
Speaker 8: you guys say at the end of the phone of

2691
02:14:36,880 --> 02:14:38,720
Speaker 8: the phone message. And he said he got hard to

2692
02:14:38,800 --> 02:14:41,520
Speaker 8: earn and heard all right, chand plus starts it off

2693
02:14:42,240 --> 02:14:46,360
Speaker 8: and he's like, wow, that's what he was doing. Sh

2694
02:14:47,080 --> 02:14:49,960
Speaker 8: Shan Nicholson, which is a dope documentary. Yeah, I watched

2695
02:14:50,000 --> 02:14:52,480
Speaker 8: you never seen, never seen rebbel Kings. Check out rubble Kings.

2696
02:14:52,600 --> 02:14:54,040
Speaker 8: It's amazing documentary.

2697
02:14:54,120 --> 02:14:55,760
Speaker 12: Can I ask Christina agular question?

2698
02:14:56,240 --> 02:14:59,360
Speaker 2: Sure, I'm just saying, I just just, oh, George, do

2699
02:14:59,400 --> 02:14:59,680
Speaker 2: it now.

2700
02:15:00,160 --> 02:15:01,480
Speaker 12: I just need to know because I feel like you

2701
02:15:01,520 --> 02:15:03,160
Speaker 12: haven't done with so many R and B albums and

2702
02:15:03,400 --> 02:15:06,200
Speaker 12: the full thing like how that happened? Because I know

2703
02:15:06,320 --> 02:15:09,280
Speaker 12: she called you up first and what made you go, Yeah,

2704
02:15:10,400 --> 02:15:11,080
Speaker 12: well I was I was.

2705
02:15:11,080 --> 02:15:11,640
Speaker 8: A fan of her.

2706
02:15:11,800 --> 02:15:13,440
Speaker 2: You know, I wasn't a genie in a bottle. You

2707
02:15:13,520 --> 02:15:13,760
Speaker 2: know it was.

2708
02:15:13,960 --> 02:15:16,440
Speaker 8: It was a cute pop record and it is what

2709
02:15:16,560 --> 02:15:20,320
Speaker 8: it is. But when she did Beautiful, even she did

2710
02:15:20,360 --> 02:15:22,240
Speaker 8: Dirty with Redman, I was like, she got Redman in

2711
02:15:22,280 --> 02:15:24,520
Speaker 8: her video and even even though she had she was

2712
02:15:24,920 --> 02:15:28,240
Speaker 8: wearing the skippy chaps and showing up button everything, you know,

2713
02:15:28,360 --> 02:15:30,080
Speaker 8: I was just like, you know, it's a Darren.

2714
02:15:29,920 --> 02:15:30,920
Speaker 2: Little chick and everything.

2715
02:15:31,000 --> 02:15:33,360
Speaker 8: So when it came to them reaching out to me, uh,

2716
02:15:34,600 --> 02:15:37,120
Speaker 8: her ex husband Jordi got to get a lot of

2717
02:15:37,160 --> 02:15:40,520
Speaker 8: credit because he put her on the Group Home album

2718
02:15:40,600 --> 02:15:42,800
Speaker 8: and she was really into the Group Home album. So

2719
02:15:42,880 --> 02:15:45,080
Speaker 8: when I met her, she's like, I love the music

2720
02:15:45,160 --> 02:15:47,800
Speaker 8: in this Group Home album, the structure, everything, you know.

2721
02:15:47,880 --> 02:15:49,840
Speaker 8: I want something like this and that type of a

2722
02:15:50,000 --> 02:15:53,760
Speaker 8: vibe but using more jazz type samples or whatever. And

2723
02:15:54,600 --> 02:15:57,600
Speaker 8: back in the day, it was the first song we did.

2724
02:15:59,120 --> 02:16:04,040
Speaker 2: I love that song. I love that song. I love

2725
02:16:04,160 --> 02:16:05,680
Speaker 2: that She cut that in D and D.

2726
02:16:05,840 --> 02:16:08,840
Speaker 8: And she came to D and D first, and then uh,

2727
02:16:09,400 --> 02:16:11,080
Speaker 8: and I played it the beat because I was like,

2728
02:16:11,160 --> 02:16:13,760
Speaker 8: I gotta have something ready, So I got there a

2729
02:16:13,800 --> 02:16:16,440
Speaker 8: little early, cooked it up, did it, and then when

2730
02:16:16,480 --> 02:16:18,080
Speaker 8: she got there, she was like I like this one

2731
02:16:18,120 --> 02:16:20,680
Speaker 8: and and uh, then we went to record plant in

2732
02:16:20,920 --> 02:16:23,600
Speaker 8: l A and cut it there. Remember Madonna was in

2733
02:16:23,720 --> 02:16:27,480
Speaker 8: run room. Uh, Macy Gray was in another room. Then

2734
02:16:27,520 --> 02:16:30,360
Speaker 8: Biscuit was in another room, and Evan Nessen's was in

2735
02:16:30,360 --> 02:16:35,640
Speaker 8: another room. And remember cameras all outside because they had

2736
02:16:35,640 --> 02:16:38,400
Speaker 8: heard she was getting married and they're waiting to get

2737
02:16:38,480 --> 02:16:40,640
Speaker 8: pop Rozzi. So you know, I'm with her all the time.

2738
02:16:40,920 --> 02:16:44,000
Speaker 8: And I would even see pictures saying uh with such

2739
02:16:44,040 --> 02:16:47,320
Speaker 8: as then and bodyguard, and I'm like, I'm not the bodyguard.

2740
02:16:48,320 --> 02:16:50,520
Speaker 8: I got to the car to go grab something of

2741
02:16:50,560 --> 02:16:53,280
Speaker 8: the car, and they were like this Christine's bodyguard because

2742
02:16:53,320 --> 02:16:54,760
Speaker 8: you know, you know, I guess it's the way my

2743
02:16:54,840 --> 02:16:57,640
Speaker 8: statue or whatever. And I'm saying, like, little did they

2744
02:16:57,720 --> 02:16:59,000
Speaker 8: know I'm not gonna making the be But back in

2745
02:16:59,040 --> 02:17:01,160
Speaker 8: the day was the first one we did. She did

2746
02:17:01,480 --> 02:17:04,199
Speaker 8: karade of GUARDI big up to her. She she wrote

2747
02:17:04,240 --> 02:17:05,960
Speaker 8: that right on the spot. And she would sit there

2748
02:17:06,000 --> 02:17:09,960
Speaker 8: with her little dog, with her little chihuahuah and uh

2749
02:17:10,120 --> 02:17:11,880
Speaker 8: and and she would do it on the laptop boom.

2750
02:17:12,200 --> 02:17:13,879
Speaker 8: They would go in the room and just vibe together.

2751
02:17:13,879 --> 02:17:17,039
Speaker 8: Because Christina has to be involved with the structure and everything.

2752
02:17:17,120 --> 02:17:20,039
Speaker 8: She's real meticulous and she cut her vocal real quick.

2753
02:17:20,320 --> 02:17:21,680
Speaker 12: The shoutouts in that song are.

2754
02:17:21,600 --> 02:17:23,760
Speaker 8: Real, like, yeah, she said do your thing, she said

2755
02:17:23,800 --> 02:17:24,240
Speaker 8: do your thing.

2756
02:17:29,320 --> 02:17:30,959
Speaker 2: I'm skipping moment of truth.

2757
02:17:31,160 --> 02:17:33,920
Speaker 5: I know, I know, but I got it like in

2758
02:17:34,040 --> 02:17:36,680
Speaker 5: my mind, I'm like, I got five questions, but there's one.

2759
02:17:37,360 --> 02:17:42,360
Speaker 2: For the owners. No hats, dog, Yeah, you started this

2760
02:17:42,720 --> 02:17:47,440
Speaker 2: madness revolution. No high hat? Right? What made you even

2761
02:17:47,680 --> 02:17:49,000
Speaker 2: think to go there? Yeah?

2762
02:17:49,040 --> 02:17:52,400
Speaker 8: Because and did you kind because a person?

2763
02:17:52,520 --> 02:17:53,280
Speaker 2: No more high hat?

2764
02:17:53,400 --> 02:17:53,440
Speaker 7: No?

2765
02:17:53,560 --> 02:17:56,800
Speaker 8: Because in a review a guy said, premieer, you use

2766
02:17:56,840 --> 02:17:58,280
Speaker 8: the same high hat all the time, and I was

2767
02:17:58,320 --> 02:18:02,160
Speaker 8: offended by it, and I was I was offended by it.

2768
02:18:02,480 --> 02:18:03,800
Speaker 8: So I was like, you know what I'm not. It's

2769
02:18:03,800 --> 02:18:05,879
Speaker 8: the same thing when I start stop using jazz samples.

2770
02:18:06,280 --> 02:18:08,760
Speaker 8: I was like, because everybody keeps thinking saying there were

2771
02:18:08,840 --> 02:18:11,480
Speaker 8: jazz rapping. It's like, we're not rapping about jazz where,

2772
02:18:11,840 --> 02:18:15,080
Speaker 8: which is why gu always said I'll do the Jazzmatazz

2773
02:18:15,120 --> 02:18:19,280
Speaker 8: Project to protect gangs, to different this category because we're

2774
02:18:19,360 --> 02:18:23,280
Speaker 8: rapping about regular stuff. So I said, I'm gonna start

2775
02:18:23,360 --> 02:18:26,520
Speaker 8: using weird sounds to show that I am a versatile

2776
02:18:26,640 --> 02:18:29,160
Speaker 8: beat maker. So I did that on purpose because I

2777
02:18:29,600 --> 02:18:32,359
Speaker 8: couldn't take criticism at that time when somebody.

2778
02:18:32,200 --> 02:18:35,640
Speaker 2: Was saying it's weird because then everyone followed suit and just.

2779
02:18:35,959 --> 02:18:40,880
Speaker 8: Yeah, it's the same high every single record. And I

2780
02:18:41,040 --> 02:18:43,959
Speaker 8: was like, so that's why I started going all right now,

2781
02:18:44,280 --> 02:18:46,600
Speaker 8: you know, and that was before the Internet. But it's

2782
02:18:46,640 --> 02:18:49,040
Speaker 8: just like so I purposely did some spikes.

2783
02:18:49,200 --> 02:18:51,600
Speaker 5: But even with skills though, I remember when skills I had.

2784
02:18:51,640 --> 02:18:54,520
Speaker 5: I first heard that Tony touch it, played it and

2785
02:18:54,959 --> 02:18:58,560
Speaker 5: the rapper dubs never I was like, yo, like the

2786
02:18:58,640 --> 02:19:01,720
Speaker 5: fact those drums that was kind of it's not as.

2787
02:19:01,600 --> 02:19:04,640
Speaker 8: A regular point where you take it god like. And

2788
02:19:04,720 --> 02:19:06,640
Speaker 8: again I do that for people like yourself to get it,

2789
02:19:06,720 --> 02:19:08,840
Speaker 8: like I know, quest level get it. I remember when

2790
02:19:09,040 --> 02:19:12,520
Speaker 8: before we had already met there, but we got more

2791
02:19:12,640 --> 02:19:15,720
Speaker 8: cool when I started hanging with the Angelo because D'Angelo

2792
02:19:15,959 --> 02:19:19,360
Speaker 8: was just gotten signed to Crystalist. So because the rest

2793
02:19:19,400 --> 02:19:22,000
Speaker 8: of development was our first label mates outside of hip

2794
02:19:22,040 --> 02:19:24,360
Speaker 8: hop and then uh and then D'Angelo came. And I

2795
02:19:24,400 --> 02:19:28,000
Speaker 8: remember when Lindsey who was a and R there whose

2796
02:19:28,040 --> 02:19:30,680
Speaker 8: mother owned Sylvia's, and he was like, YO, tell me

2797
02:19:30,760 --> 02:19:32,160
Speaker 8: what you think of this guy from Virginia, And so

2798
02:19:32,240 --> 02:19:32,480
Speaker 8: when I.

2799
02:19:32,520 --> 02:19:35,000
Speaker 2: Heard it, I was like, Yo, this dude is dope.

2800
02:19:35,160 --> 02:19:37,280
Speaker 8: So we had to go on a lot of promo together.

2801
02:19:37,280 --> 02:19:40,800
Speaker 8: They had already signed them. They just saying that the legit.

2802
02:19:40,920 --> 02:19:43,360
Speaker 8: I'm like yeah to me and Danseelo got this super

2803
02:19:43,440 --> 02:19:46,040
Speaker 8: duper cool and then you he started used to always

2804
02:19:46,080 --> 02:19:48,600
Speaker 8: say he's getting with you, and he'd always be and

2805
02:19:48,720 --> 02:19:51,360
Speaker 8: we get with Jay Diller too, you know, God bless him.

2806
02:19:51,400 --> 02:19:53,800
Speaker 8: So I was asked the session when you were leaving,

2807
02:19:54,000 --> 02:19:56,240
Speaker 8: when I was about to do Devil' SPI, I would

2808
02:19:56,280 --> 02:19:58,320
Speaker 8: just you was on your way out from doing how

2809
02:19:58,360 --> 02:20:01,040
Speaker 8: does it feel? You would just laid all the drum

2810
02:20:01,120 --> 02:20:02,560
Speaker 8: pards and and he was like.

2811
02:20:02,640 --> 02:20:04,160
Speaker 2: Yo, I'm gonna be naked in the video.

2812
02:20:04,240 --> 02:20:07,320
Speaker 8: I'm like what, I'm not even thinking. He's like, yeah,

2813
02:20:07,320 --> 02:20:09,720
Speaker 8: I got a trainer. I train every day.

2814
02:20:09,760 --> 02:20:10,080
Speaker 2: He's got me.

2815
02:20:10,120 --> 02:20:11,879
Speaker 8: He's getting me in shape. He said, well, I'm gonna

2816
02:20:11,879 --> 02:20:14,440
Speaker 8: be cut And when that ship came out, I was like, damn,

2817
02:20:14,520 --> 02:20:17,120
Speaker 8: this motherfucker's ripped. And you know, you know he's on

2818
02:20:17,160 --> 02:20:19,160
Speaker 8: the regular shirt and he looked like.

2819
02:20:20,200 --> 02:20:22,440
Speaker 5: He cames up in the sea room literally cutting all

2820
02:20:22,480 --> 02:20:25,520
Speaker 5: these stuff for Devil's part, like to see it made.

2821
02:20:26,680 --> 02:20:30,680
Speaker 5: And me and Dyla are there like he's the reason

2822
02:20:30,720 --> 02:20:33,600
Speaker 5: why double trouble exists when things fall apart because they

2823
02:20:33,640 --> 02:20:35,600
Speaker 5: were all just like playing each other sit knock each

2824
02:20:35,600 --> 02:20:39,200
Speaker 5: other out, and I had nothing that I was like,

2825
02:20:39,720 --> 02:20:42,600
Speaker 5: I need a song, God damn, so don't show love

2826
02:20:42,680 --> 02:20:43,199
Speaker 5: my life.

2827
02:20:45,720 --> 02:20:46,840
Speaker 2: Use a lot of vocal samples.

2828
02:20:47,920 --> 02:20:49,960
Speaker 9: Do you have a like a book that was just

2829
02:20:50,080 --> 02:20:52,200
Speaker 9: like everything where you just have it all up here,

2830
02:20:53,000 --> 02:20:54,920
Speaker 9: like because you just seem to be able to find

2831
02:20:54,959 --> 02:20:57,480
Speaker 9: the most perfect vocal samples for every song.

2832
02:20:57,400 --> 02:21:00,720
Speaker 8: Based on either the rhyme or what the song is about,

2833
02:21:00,840 --> 02:21:04,960
Speaker 8: or the title any of those that it's stuff will

2834
02:21:05,000 --> 02:21:06,560
Speaker 8: just come to me going, oh so and so said that.

2835
02:21:07,120 --> 02:21:09,560
Speaker 8: And then sometimes it won't work. The drums from the

2836
02:21:09,640 --> 02:21:13,880
Speaker 8: sample might before you force you can hear the drums

2837
02:21:13,879 --> 02:21:15,840
Speaker 8: from the original sample come in and it won't fit.

2838
02:21:16,160 --> 02:21:18,200
Speaker 8: And sometimes and I called the other thing I called

2839
02:21:18,360 --> 02:21:20,360
Speaker 8: called force fiting, like, you know, let me see if

2840
02:21:20,360 --> 02:21:22,480
Speaker 8: I can force fit it, and if I can forcefit

2841
02:21:22,920 --> 02:21:25,800
Speaker 8: where it doesn't sound really messed up, like with Master Appeal,

2842
02:21:25,840 --> 02:21:29,680
Speaker 8: with with the Youngster's Remix, you can hear all the

2843
02:21:32,120 --> 02:21:35,560
Speaker 8: yeah and and it worked, and I just said, stand

2844
02:21:35,600 --> 02:21:36,400
Speaker 8: out ticket all.

2845
02:21:36,560 --> 02:21:39,959
Speaker 2: There's a block dedicated to every a cappella he ever

2846
02:21:40,040 --> 02:21:43,120
Speaker 2: cut in. His crew's a block really and it's not

2847
02:21:43,200 --> 02:21:47,879
Speaker 2: even called in this business of wow.

2848
02:21:48,800 --> 02:21:52,600
Speaker 10: I'm sorry you okay, okay, a Guru, So where were

2849
02:21:52,640 --> 02:21:55,800
Speaker 10: you when you found out he passed? And what was

2850
02:21:56,800 --> 02:22:00,800
Speaker 10: the what was the relationship between Guru and Solar like

2851
02:22:01,040 --> 02:22:02,560
Speaker 10: and you know that dynamic?

2852
02:22:02,680 --> 02:22:05,080
Speaker 2: Like what was that all about? Because it just looked weird,

2853
02:22:05,560 --> 02:22:06,280
Speaker 2: very very weird.

2854
02:22:06,400 --> 02:22:08,680
Speaker 8: I won't talk about him too much, but what I

2855
02:22:09,120 --> 02:22:12,080
Speaker 8: what I can say is just because he's not worthy

2856
02:22:12,080 --> 02:22:17,520
Speaker 8: of the energy. But but for one when he passed,

2857
02:22:18,200 --> 02:22:20,120
Speaker 8: I remember I had just seen him in the hospital,

2858
02:22:20,240 --> 02:22:24,160
Speaker 8: which I got to thank Guru's nephew and both of

2859
02:22:24,200 --> 02:22:27,480
Speaker 8: his nephews, Justin and Denzel.

2860
02:22:27,600 --> 02:22:29,480
Speaker 2: Denzel's his is his young nephew.

2861
02:22:29,959 --> 02:22:32,320
Speaker 8: Denzel is the one that's like, yo, I just went

2862
02:22:32,400 --> 02:22:33,800
Speaker 8: the song because then there was a list of people

2863
02:22:33,840 --> 02:22:36,000
Speaker 8: that couldn't come in there because the whole healthcare proxy

2864
02:22:36,000 --> 02:22:36,560
Speaker 8: and stuff.

2865
02:22:36,360 --> 02:22:37,240
Speaker 2: Assigned the old boy.

2866
02:22:38,000 --> 02:22:40,360
Speaker 8: So when when it came to I wasn't gonna go

2867
02:22:40,360 --> 02:22:41,600
Speaker 8: see him, I was just like, you know what, I

2868
02:22:41,720 --> 02:22:43,320
Speaker 8: just hope he pulls through. I hope he pulled through

2869
02:22:43,320 --> 02:22:45,640
Speaker 8: because I already spoken to his father and his father

2870
02:22:45,800 --> 02:22:47,640
Speaker 8: was keeping me up. I wasn't even on Twitter yet.

2871
02:22:48,120 --> 02:22:50,880
Speaker 8: Buster and q Tip were the ones that were on

2872
02:22:51,280 --> 02:22:54,320
Speaker 8: my behalf tweeting, Yo, just doctor prem that's not true.

2873
02:22:54,320 --> 02:22:56,600
Speaker 8: He's not you know, he didn't have a heart he didn't.

2874
02:22:56,600 --> 02:22:57,520
Speaker 2: He never had a heart attack.

2875
02:22:57,680 --> 02:23:00,120
Speaker 8: He had a cardiac arrest from an asthma attack, and

2876
02:23:00,200 --> 02:23:03,280
Speaker 8: he induced him into a coma to prevent him from dying.

2877
02:23:03,800 --> 02:23:05,720
Speaker 8: He just did not recover from that because you have

2878
02:23:05,800 --> 02:23:10,280
Speaker 8: to send signals to the brain to get your nerves cracking,

2879
02:23:10,800 --> 02:23:13,720
Speaker 8: and there was nothing but silence in the room every day.

2880
02:23:14,160 --> 02:23:17,920
Speaker 8: And and people that would they said, music, voices and

2881
02:23:18,040 --> 02:23:20,080
Speaker 8: things that he loves will trigger his brain to get them.

2882
02:23:20,280 --> 02:23:21,240
Speaker 8: He'll snap out of coma and.

2883
02:23:21,280 --> 02:23:21,880
Speaker 2: Go back to normal.

2884
02:23:22,040 --> 02:23:24,520
Speaker 8: He never woke up ever, so all that I'm up

2885
02:23:24,560 --> 02:23:27,040
Speaker 8: and to my fans that and that didn't happen.

2886
02:23:27,360 --> 02:23:27,400
Speaker 7: No.

2887
02:23:27,760 --> 02:23:31,320
Speaker 8: So uh So, when it came to going to the hospital,

2888
02:23:32,160 --> 02:23:34,560
Speaker 8: Denzel went because their family members and they were they

2889
02:23:34,600 --> 02:23:37,840
Speaker 8: were Ghru's father was able to override the the illegal

2890
02:23:37,879 --> 02:23:40,080
Speaker 8: people at the hospital because he got the power and

2891
02:23:40,200 --> 02:23:42,360
Speaker 8: you know, you know, he's Supreme Court judge and he

2892
02:23:42,440 --> 02:23:44,280
Speaker 8: got that to happen where they could go in. You know,

2893
02:23:44,440 --> 02:23:47,800
Speaker 8: So when Denzel went Denzel called me and was like, Yo,

2894
02:23:48,280 --> 02:23:49,320
Speaker 8: you need to go to the hospital.

2895
02:23:49,360 --> 02:23:50,560
Speaker 2: I'm like, dude, I'm not gonna get in.

2896
02:23:50,959 --> 02:23:52,200
Speaker 8: He goes, I don't care.

2897
02:23:52,480 --> 02:23:53,200
Speaker 2: There is a young kid.

2898
02:23:53,360 --> 02:23:56,240
Speaker 8: He's like, I don't care, but you need to be there.

2899
02:23:56,320 --> 02:23:59,040
Speaker 8: Out of anybody else. You need to go, and the

2900
02:23:59,080 --> 02:24:01,400
Speaker 8: way he said it, and I go, and I still

2901
02:24:01,560 --> 02:24:03,760
Speaker 8: was like, nah, I'm good man. I'm just gonna pray

2902
02:24:04,080 --> 02:24:05,240
Speaker 8: every day everything goes good.

2903
02:24:05,280 --> 02:24:08,920
Speaker 2: He goes, pream find a way. That's what he said,

2904
02:24:09,120 --> 02:24:10,040
Speaker 2: and the way he said it.

2905
02:24:10,120 --> 02:24:13,840
Speaker 8: I was like, all right, I'm going Monday and I

2906
02:24:14,160 --> 02:24:16,320
Speaker 8: can call two of my guys and said they two

2907
02:24:16,360 --> 02:24:19,400
Speaker 8: of my guys had already seen him through certain circumstances

2908
02:24:19,640 --> 02:24:22,119
Speaker 8: when they took justin up there, so being he got

2909
02:24:22,200 --> 02:24:23,720
Speaker 8: in there through the right bit, you know, he was

2910
02:24:23,800 --> 02:24:25,480
Speaker 8: allowed in and he got to see him, and he

2911
02:24:25,600 --> 02:24:28,360
Speaker 8: was telling me what he looked like and all that stuff. Now,

2912
02:24:28,480 --> 02:24:30,680
Speaker 8: they they came with me just in case, you know.

2913
02:24:30,840 --> 02:24:32,880
Speaker 8: So I was like, let's see if we can get

2914
02:24:32,920 --> 02:24:36,000
Speaker 8: in there. We got there, they stopped me and was like, yeah,

2915
02:24:36,160 --> 02:24:37,720
Speaker 8: can help me. And then they're like, where are you going?

2916
02:24:37,959 --> 02:24:40,000
Speaker 8: Because I was already told with room to sixty eight

2917
02:24:40,240 --> 02:24:43,320
Speaker 8: and I was like, uh to sixty eight and and

2918
02:24:43,800 --> 02:24:47,200
Speaker 8: Guru's father said, if they turn you down asked for

2919
02:24:47,280 --> 02:24:50,920
Speaker 8: a health care I mean a proxy advocate, they can't

2920
02:24:50,959 --> 02:24:53,240
Speaker 8: deny you and then they know you're on your ship.

2921
02:24:54,000 --> 02:24:56,760
Speaker 8: I said, until I asked for a proxy advocate, because

2922
02:24:56,760 --> 02:24:59,200
Speaker 8: the first day when I said, you know what room

2923
02:24:59,280 --> 02:25:00,039
Speaker 8: going to, they're looking.

2924
02:24:59,879 --> 02:25:01,959
Speaker 2: At listen, you can't go in and whatever.

2925
02:25:02,560 --> 02:25:04,280
Speaker 8: That's what the proxy advocate said. It's gonna be a

2926
02:25:04,320 --> 02:25:06,119
Speaker 8: half an hour to an hour. And I said, I'll wait.

2927
02:25:06,760 --> 02:25:08,119
Speaker 2: Waited, wait to wait, to wait to wait.

2928
02:25:08,160 --> 02:25:10,600
Speaker 8: It getting to the point where I'm getting restless. Where

2929
02:25:10,600 --> 02:25:13,680
Speaker 8: I want to go in it's not working. This dude,

2930
02:25:13,840 --> 02:25:17,039
Speaker 8: this black guy rolls in in a wheelchair and starts

2931
02:25:17,200 --> 02:25:20,480
Speaker 8: he starts cursing up the information desk. God, I want

2932
02:25:20,520 --> 02:25:22,560
Speaker 8: to see my doctor right now, and he's causing a

2933
02:25:22,640 --> 02:25:25,039
Speaker 8: ruckus where now no one's really kind of paying attention.

2934
02:25:25,680 --> 02:25:29,120
Speaker 8: I I go around Uh, I go around the back first,

2935
02:25:29,240 --> 02:25:31,360
Speaker 8: but because I'm like, maybe there's another way to get

2936
02:25:31,400 --> 02:25:33,880
Speaker 8: into the side. This dude's out there. He taking a

2937
02:25:33,959 --> 02:25:36,039
Speaker 8: lunch break. Black guy taking a lunch break. He works

2938
02:25:36,080 --> 02:25:39,400
Speaker 8: in the morgue and uh, of all places, gru's allowed.

2939
02:25:39,560 --> 02:25:42,199
Speaker 8: This is this before you pass. Dude's working in the morgue,

2940
02:25:43,240 --> 02:25:45,480
Speaker 8: sitting there and he's like uh. I was like, yo, man,

2941
02:25:45,680 --> 02:25:47,360
Speaker 8: you know who I am. And he's like yeah yeah,

2942
02:25:47,720 --> 02:25:50,240
Speaker 8: and he's like, anyway you can get me in, get

2943
02:25:50,280 --> 02:25:50,440
Speaker 8: me in.

2944
02:25:50,560 --> 02:25:51,199
Speaker 2: You know what he says.

2945
02:25:51,760 --> 02:26:00,280
Speaker 8: He says, if he liftsen to my demo, wow, wow, And.

2946
02:26:00,440 --> 02:26:02,200
Speaker 2: You know what I said, I will listen to you.

2947
02:26:04,200 --> 02:26:05,840
Speaker 2: I will listen to your owl.

2948
02:26:06,480 --> 02:26:09,400
Speaker 8: Just whatever you could do. He said, Well, you gotta

2949
02:26:09,440 --> 02:26:11,040
Speaker 8: be back in a certain aunt that he said, I'll

2950
02:26:11,080 --> 02:26:12,800
Speaker 8: be back, he said, but you had to give me

2951
02:26:12,840 --> 02:26:15,920
Speaker 8: a minute. Man, he would be broke out. When we waiting,

2952
02:26:16,000 --> 02:26:18,840
Speaker 8: we're like by trash, dumpster entrances and stuff, and and

2953
02:26:18,959 --> 02:26:21,000
Speaker 8: he's like he takes forever to come and now my

2954
02:26:21,600 --> 02:26:24,040
Speaker 8: my gut, which I always tell you you gotta go

2955
02:26:24,080 --> 02:26:26,280
Speaker 8: with your gut. I was like, man, this is to

2956
02:26:26,360 --> 02:26:28,680
Speaker 8: where I'm just gonna say forget it. But I'm not

2957
02:26:28,760 --> 02:26:30,640
Speaker 8: really a quitter type dude and give up. And I

2958
02:26:30,760 --> 02:26:32,920
Speaker 8: was just like, man, I gotta just do it my way.

2959
02:26:33,800 --> 02:26:35,840
Speaker 8: And he's taking too long. And I told I told

2960
02:26:36,160 --> 02:26:37,960
Speaker 8: Black was with me and my homie Eon, and I

2961
02:26:38,080 --> 02:26:40,480
Speaker 8: was like, yo, if the dude doesn't come about fifteen

2962
02:26:40,560 --> 02:26:44,000
Speaker 8: minutes after and I'm watching my clock hard. I'm gonna

2963
02:26:44,240 --> 02:26:45,760
Speaker 8: do it my way, and if that don't work, I'm out.

2964
02:26:46,240 --> 02:26:47,720
Speaker 8: Because they had already gone in to see him and

2965
02:26:47,760 --> 02:26:49,760
Speaker 8: they got by, you know, so that they's got to

2966
02:26:49,800 --> 02:26:51,600
Speaker 8: see him see him. This was he on the second

2967
02:26:51,640 --> 02:26:54,000
Speaker 8: time because he came to hold Justin down just case

2968
02:26:54,000 --> 02:26:57,640
Speaker 8: of these problems. So, uh, when when I go back in,

2969
02:26:58,040 --> 02:27:00,800
Speaker 8: they're doing construction on the bathroom and interest, so being

2970
02:27:00,840 --> 02:27:02,880
Speaker 8: at the construction in the bathroom was being worked on.

2971
02:27:04,000 --> 02:27:04,360
Speaker 2: You have to go.

2972
02:27:05,000 --> 02:27:06,840
Speaker 8: You have to pretty much be let in if you

2973
02:27:06,920 --> 02:27:08,640
Speaker 8: need to use the bathroom. Here's the hospital. They got

2974
02:27:08,720 --> 02:27:10,560
Speaker 8: it pretty much onto that. I was like, I really

2975
02:27:10,600 --> 02:27:12,280
Speaker 8: got to go to the bathroom and anywhere I can go.

2976
02:27:12,400 --> 02:27:15,520
Speaker 8: She goes, listen, you go around to the eleven, go

2977
02:27:15,640 --> 02:27:16,760
Speaker 8: all the way to the end of the hall. But

2978
02:27:16,800 --> 02:27:19,199
Speaker 8: I'm gonna be timing you to come back. And she said,

2979
02:27:19,280 --> 02:27:20,640
Speaker 8: so go to the bathroom.

2980
02:27:20,680 --> 02:27:21,039
Speaker 2: Come back.

2981
02:27:21,680 --> 02:27:23,560
Speaker 8: Right when I'm going to the bathroom. There's the gift shop,

2982
02:27:23,720 --> 02:27:25,400
Speaker 8: you know, you boy flyers all that stuff for people,

2983
02:27:25,800 --> 02:27:27,000
Speaker 8: and the elevators right there.

2984
02:27:27,600 --> 02:27:29,160
Speaker 2: As soon as I look at the elevator.

2985
02:27:29,200 --> 02:27:33,160
Speaker 8: I see it's going four three two, and I'm like,

2986
02:27:33,280 --> 02:27:35,440
Speaker 8: I gotta do this because they're so busy with that

2987
02:27:35,520 --> 02:27:36,280
Speaker 8: guy still yelling.

2988
02:27:36,600 --> 02:27:38,760
Speaker 2: Even after all that time I went outside to the dumps.

2989
02:27:38,520 --> 02:27:40,680
Speaker 8: And everything, that guy still I want to see my doctor,

2990
02:27:40,800 --> 02:27:43,560
Speaker 8: you know, he's still doing that boom. Next thing, you know,

2991
02:27:44,200 --> 02:27:46,960
Speaker 8: a family of like five or six people, big family,

2992
02:27:47,120 --> 02:27:50,760
Speaker 8: football player size, all come to the elevator and I'm like,

2993
02:27:51,600 --> 02:27:55,600
Speaker 8: you know, I duck behind the because the guys like

2994
02:27:55,800 --> 02:27:58,600
Speaker 8: for at least six five, and you know, the wife

2995
02:27:58,720 --> 02:28:00,320
Speaker 8: is a big girl and she's got like three or

2996
02:28:00,360 --> 02:28:02,360
Speaker 8: four kids and they're all kind of big. So I

2997
02:28:02,480 --> 02:28:03,959
Speaker 8: kind of go in with them, and he goes.

2998
02:28:03,800 --> 02:28:05,320
Speaker 2: With floor and I go too. He goes, oh, we're

2999
02:28:05,360 --> 02:28:07,320
Speaker 2: going to two. I was like, good because now they

3000
02:28:07,360 --> 02:28:07,920
Speaker 2: can block me.

3001
02:28:08,600 --> 02:28:10,920
Speaker 8: Soon we get on the floor. The nurse, you know,

3002
02:28:10,959 --> 02:28:12,640
Speaker 8: because it's still they think I'm going to the bathroom.

3003
02:28:13,000 --> 02:28:15,560
Speaker 8: Soon as we get on the floor, we go. I

3004
02:28:15,680 --> 02:28:18,080
Speaker 8: follow them, and I'm just thinking to sixty eight, two,

3005
02:28:18,120 --> 02:28:18,640
Speaker 8: sixty eight too.

3006
02:28:18,680 --> 02:28:19,160
Speaker 2: Sixty eight.

3007
02:28:19,560 --> 02:28:21,800
Speaker 8: The nurse comes up and gets up. She's like, excuse me,

3008
02:28:21,879 --> 02:28:23,760
Speaker 8: can I help you all yous? He goes, yeah, we're

3009
02:28:23,760 --> 02:28:25,560
Speaker 8: seeing such and such and such and such.

3010
02:28:25,600 --> 02:28:28,199
Speaker 2: And you go room no, but they said two sixty nine.

3011
02:28:30,000 --> 02:28:33,520
Speaker 8: She goes follow them. Yeah, yeah, so she.

3012
02:28:33,680 --> 02:28:34,240
Speaker 2: To sixty eight.

3013
02:28:34,280 --> 02:28:37,320
Speaker 8: Two sixty nine. She goes following me. So I'll let

3014
02:28:37,400 --> 02:28:39,320
Speaker 8: them walk in and I go and I back up

3015
02:28:39,879 --> 02:28:42,000
Speaker 8: and then slide in the in the room. And I

3016
02:28:42,040 --> 02:28:44,240
Speaker 8: had my mama the True CD and my Gang Star

3017
02:28:44,400 --> 02:28:46,400
Speaker 8: shirt and I went in there and you know, and

3018
02:28:46,920 --> 02:28:48,480
Speaker 8: pulled the cover down, and I wanted to see what

3019
02:28:48,560 --> 02:28:50,520
Speaker 8: he looked like if he's been kept, because you know,

3020
02:28:50,560 --> 02:28:52,960
Speaker 8: when you're in the hospital, either you pay them to

3021
02:28:53,000 --> 02:28:55,280
Speaker 8: clean your fingers, wash you up and all that, or

3022
02:28:56,120 --> 02:28:59,000
Speaker 8: you gotta do it. It wasn't I even asked, is

3023
02:28:59,080 --> 02:29:01,000
Speaker 8: he on the thing to be cleaned up? And they're like,

3024
02:29:01,000 --> 02:29:03,040
Speaker 8: you no family members gotta do it.

3025
02:29:03,440 --> 02:29:05,520
Speaker 2: So, you know, once I saw he was dirty, you know,

3026
02:29:05,680 --> 02:29:08,879
Speaker 2: nails all, you know, just just not clean all this stuff.

3027
02:29:08,920 --> 02:29:11,520
Speaker 8: I'm just like, and he's just laying there, his eyes open,

3028
02:29:11,800 --> 02:29:15,680
Speaker 8: but they're just because and he's on the uh the ventilator. Yes,

3029
02:29:15,760 --> 02:29:18,600
Speaker 8: I was doing ah, you know that, and you know,

3030
02:29:18,680 --> 02:29:20,879
Speaker 8: so that's going on, and he's just he's looking up

3031
02:29:20,959 --> 02:29:24,760
Speaker 8: like he's awake, you know, son, he's already brained it.

3032
02:29:24,920 --> 02:29:29,040
Speaker 8: And you know so because maybe it was almost three

3033
02:29:29,160 --> 02:29:32,920
Speaker 8: weeks after I seen him and uh, and so you know,

3034
02:29:33,440 --> 02:29:35,119
Speaker 8: I just it was just me and him. And it's

3035
02:29:35,160 --> 02:29:37,000
Speaker 8: crazy because me I talked to doctor Dre about this,

3036
02:29:37,200 --> 02:29:40,280
Speaker 8: like with the easy thing. It's almost like that same

3037
02:29:40,440 --> 02:29:43,039
Speaker 8: type of thing, man, because I just talked to him,

3038
02:29:43,400 --> 02:29:44,960
Speaker 8: put the shirt on him, saying, yo, you know what

3039
02:29:45,080 --> 02:29:47,600
Speaker 8: this is all about. You know, I'll forever rerap this.

3040
02:29:48,200 --> 02:29:50,480
Speaker 8: And and I wanted to put the CD under his uh,

3041
02:29:51,400 --> 02:29:54,240
Speaker 8: under his mattress, but then the nurse walks in and said, hey,

3042
02:29:54,320 --> 02:29:56,440
Speaker 8: you're not supposed to be in here. You gotta leave.

3043
02:29:56,480 --> 02:29:58,960
Speaker 8: And I said, man, listen, and I showed her the cover, like, look,

3044
02:29:59,000 --> 02:30:00,960
Speaker 8: this is us. This is the reason why I just

3045
02:30:01,000 --> 02:30:02,320
Speaker 8: wanted to come in and see him. She goes, look,

3046
02:30:02,440 --> 02:30:05,360
Speaker 8: got five minutes and she let me have my time,

3047
02:30:05,800 --> 02:30:08,200
Speaker 8: said what I had to dude, kissed him, walked out.

3048
02:30:08,600 --> 02:30:11,760
Speaker 8: Never saw him again until Static Selector called me like

3049
02:30:11,879 --> 02:30:13,960
Speaker 8: six in the morning and he's like, please don't say

3050
02:30:14,000 --> 02:30:16,320
Speaker 8: it's true, cause were already been getting Please don't say

3051
02:30:16,320 --> 02:30:16,640
Speaker 8: it's true.

3052
02:30:16,640 --> 02:30:19,280
Speaker 2: And it was false alarm. So this one when I

3053
02:30:19,400 --> 02:30:22,520
Speaker 2: called his sister and she was like I did. I

3054
02:30:22,560 --> 02:30:23,720
Speaker 2: could see hearing her voice like.

3055
02:30:23,760 --> 02:30:27,080
Speaker 8: Don't, don't, don't, don't say anything getting I can't confirm that,

3056
02:30:27,400 --> 02:30:29,160
Speaker 8: you know, because we were all in touch with each

3057
02:30:29,200 --> 02:30:32,440
Speaker 8: other now and she's just like, I can't get confirmed yet.

3058
02:30:32,480 --> 02:30:33,920
Speaker 8: Let me get back to you. I'm hearing the same thing,

3059
02:30:33,959 --> 02:30:35,120
Speaker 8: but I don't believe it, you know.

3060
02:30:35,200 --> 02:30:36,400
Speaker 2: And I was like, all right, I'm gonna just wait

3061
02:30:36,440 --> 02:30:38,320
Speaker 2: for you. And then then it got confirmed.

3062
02:30:39,760 --> 02:30:43,840
Speaker 8: Plus the great thing was his father, you know, was

3063
02:30:43,879 --> 02:30:46,080
Speaker 8: able to obtain the body, get it back to Boston,

3064
02:30:46,400 --> 02:30:48,959
Speaker 8: and he was like, he gave a funeral. Key was there,

3065
02:30:50,040 --> 02:30:52,400
Speaker 8: the whole Gangster foundation was there. All of us met

3066
02:30:52,440 --> 02:30:54,600
Speaker 8: up and came together, and he had a private funeral

3067
02:30:54,680 --> 02:30:58,640
Speaker 8: privately maybe good two three hundred people, maybe it was. Yeah,

3068
02:30:58,720 --> 02:31:00,959
Speaker 8: he had it on the campus. Marry two other people,

3069
02:31:01,480 --> 02:31:03,760
Speaker 8: the clocks in the elms. That's to both sides of

3070
02:31:03,800 --> 02:31:06,840
Speaker 8: the family. And his father called me and said, I'm

3071
02:31:06,920 --> 02:31:09,800
Speaker 8: running everything, and you know, Judge iling you listening.

3072
02:31:09,920 --> 02:31:11,200
Speaker 2: He's a stern dude.

3073
02:31:11,200 --> 02:31:12,480
Speaker 8: I knew him when I iced to stay at their

3074
02:31:12,560 --> 02:31:15,080
Speaker 8: house way when we were just on our first album

3075
02:31:15,120 --> 02:31:17,720
Speaker 8: before Stepping Arena. Staying at the Elim's house and all

3076
02:31:17,760 --> 02:31:20,520
Speaker 8: that stuff in Boston. So I've been around around and

3077
02:31:20,840 --> 02:31:24,039
Speaker 8: his father said, I need you and sugar with sugar Bear.

3078
02:31:23,959 --> 02:31:26,640
Speaker 2: Back in the day. He said, I need you and

3079
02:31:26,760 --> 02:31:28,920
Speaker 2: sugar Bear to speak, he said.

3080
02:31:29,040 --> 02:31:31,279
Speaker 8: He and when he brought us on stage to speak,

3081
02:31:31,720 --> 02:31:34,120
Speaker 8: the first thing he said is I don't care what

3082
02:31:34,440 --> 02:31:38,560
Speaker 8: my son went through ever. All I know is him

3083
02:31:38,640 --> 02:31:41,400
Speaker 8: and this man and sug was the best part of

3084
02:31:41,480 --> 02:31:43,560
Speaker 8: his career, he said. And that's why they're here, and

3085
02:31:43,640 --> 02:31:45,760
Speaker 8: I want them to speaking. And we spoke and I

3086
02:31:45,879 --> 02:31:48,320
Speaker 8: told crumb little jokes and had everybody laughing. You know,

3087
02:31:48,440 --> 02:31:51,280
Speaker 8: just crazy girl used to do, you know, because he's

3088
02:31:51,280 --> 02:31:53,880
Speaker 8: to steal my clothes. And since he's so small, since

3089
02:31:53,920 --> 02:31:56,360
Speaker 8: he so you know, he's real skinny, he's real skinny.

3090
02:31:56,480 --> 02:31:59,080
Speaker 8: So like you know, you know, I've seen him with

3091
02:31:59,200 --> 02:32:02,640
Speaker 8: no clothes. He a bony kids, but very well athletic,

3092
02:32:02,720 --> 02:32:05,360
Speaker 8: get built, six pack stomach, you got, you got got,

3093
02:32:05,400 --> 02:32:07,680
Speaker 8: he got the physique and everything. But he used to

3094
02:32:07,840 --> 02:32:11,400
Speaker 8: wear sweatpants, you know, the cotton ones. And then so

3095
02:32:11,440 --> 02:32:13,440
Speaker 8: you wouldn't see the sweatpants coming out the bottom, he

3096
02:32:13,480 --> 02:32:16,039
Speaker 8: would put rubber bands around the ankles so that they

3097
02:32:16,080 --> 02:32:19,080
Speaker 8: would stay stay held and he would put my pants on,

3098
02:32:19,240 --> 02:32:20,400
Speaker 8: so I've come back to the house and be like,

3099
02:32:20,400 --> 02:32:23,360
Speaker 8: where's all my pants at? And he'd come in later

3100
02:32:23,440 --> 02:32:25,480
Speaker 8: on from working stuff because he was a caseworker as well,

3101
02:32:25,760 --> 02:32:27,640
Speaker 8: and he's got my shoes on, my pants on, my

3102
02:32:27,760 --> 02:32:30,160
Speaker 8: jack and my shirt and then he would always go

3103
02:32:30,680 --> 02:32:35,560
Speaker 8: all Premiere ship, all premier shit, burn up man like

3104
02:32:35,959 --> 02:32:39,200
Speaker 8: like that became that became a that became a regular thing.

3105
02:32:39,760 --> 02:32:42,440
Speaker 8: That became a regular thing. But yeah, but as far

3106
02:32:42,520 --> 02:32:46,040
Speaker 8: as when they connected was close to when the owners

3107
02:32:46,120 --> 02:32:49,120
Speaker 8: happened shot the Black Jesus. Who really is where the

3108
02:32:49,160 --> 02:32:51,440
Speaker 8: connection came from? Because they were they were doing work

3109
02:32:51,480 --> 02:32:54,840
Speaker 8: together and uh things. You know what, we always saw

3110
02:32:54,920 --> 02:32:57,600
Speaker 8: the strangeness too, but we always ignored it.

3111
02:32:57,720 --> 02:32:57,920
Speaker 11: You know.

3112
02:32:58,040 --> 02:32:58,560
Speaker 2: It was just like.

3113
02:33:00,480 --> 02:33:03,360
Speaker 8: You know what we when Google did Ill Kid.

3114
02:33:03,400 --> 02:33:06,720
Speaker 2: And uh uh Ball had slip Project.

3115
02:33:07,000 --> 02:33:09,640
Speaker 8: He always had a string of producers that would do

3116
02:33:09,720 --> 02:33:11,520
Speaker 8: the do beasts for him, So we just figured he

3117
02:33:11,640 --> 02:33:13,560
Speaker 8: just another one of those guys. And then it just

3118
02:33:13,640 --> 02:33:16,120
Speaker 8: got to a point where as time built, I mean,

3119
02:33:16,120 --> 02:33:20,800
Speaker 8: you really noticed that the the us being around each

3120
02:33:20,800 --> 02:33:22,720
Speaker 8: other was very very minimal, you know what I'm saying.

3121
02:33:23,440 --> 02:33:25,120
Speaker 8: The same people that you pretty much saw all the

3122
02:33:25,200 --> 02:33:28,840
Speaker 8: time was around around us and we didn't travel with us,

3123
02:33:28,879 --> 02:33:31,200
Speaker 8: nothing like that except one time to Colorado.

3124
02:33:31,400 --> 02:33:34,720
Speaker 2: So the other the Owners was doing like so that

3125
02:33:34,920 --> 02:33:37,920
Speaker 2: was Owners was four three three three.

3126
02:33:38,160 --> 02:33:41,360
Speaker 8: On tour with taller Quality and Uh and yeah, Tyler

3127
02:33:41,440 --> 02:33:47,360
Speaker 8: quality Common. No, it was common Electric circus to and

3128
02:33:47,480 --> 02:33:49,520
Speaker 8: Uh and Quality opened up. And that's when Quality was

3129
02:33:49,560 --> 02:33:51,800
Speaker 8: bringing Kanye. We're like, why you keep bringing Kanye to

3130
02:33:51,959 --> 02:33:53,640
Speaker 8: the tour. He said, because he gave me my first

3131
02:33:53,720 --> 02:33:55,840
Speaker 8: hit record and he didn't charge me for it, So

3132
02:33:56,080 --> 02:33:58,240
Speaker 8: now I'm bringing him because he's in. And then Kanye

3133
02:33:58,320 --> 02:34:02,360
Speaker 8: told me that day, Yo, I'm about to start rapping.

3134
02:34:02,440 --> 02:34:03,880
Speaker 8: He said, I'm about to do an album and it's

3135
02:34:03,920 --> 02:34:05,920
Speaker 8: gonna be called College Dropout and he said premiere, it's

3136
02:34:05,959 --> 02:34:08,920
Speaker 8: gonna go double platinum. I was looking at him like, man,

3137
02:34:09,000 --> 02:34:11,080
Speaker 8: that's a cocky thing to say, but I ain't doubt it.

3138
02:34:11,760 --> 02:34:13,760
Speaker 2: I hope it up. I'm gonna be bigger than you want.

3139
02:34:14,520 --> 02:34:18,280
Speaker 8: And watch and man it happened. College Dropout just popped off.

3140
02:34:18,360 --> 02:34:21,080
Speaker 8: But yeah, we saw the strangeness and it was weird

3141
02:34:21,120 --> 02:34:23,200
Speaker 8: to all of us. So it ain't just us, it's

3142
02:34:23,480 --> 02:34:26,680
Speaker 8: everybody you know, And then you know even just the

3143
02:34:26,959 --> 02:34:30,240
Speaker 8: people's just spreading stupid stuff about like we were hating

3144
02:34:30,320 --> 02:34:33,840
Speaker 8: on the situation. It's like, no, everybody's grown men. Whatever

3145
02:34:33,920 --> 02:34:35,560
Speaker 8: you just said, you choose to do is what you

3146
02:34:35,680 --> 02:34:38,040
Speaker 8: choose to do. Just tell the truth as far as

3147
02:34:38,120 --> 02:34:41,560
Speaker 8: what's going on with with with the how you represent yourself.

3148
02:34:41,600 --> 02:34:43,720
Speaker 8: But as far as not like the gay rooms and

3149
02:34:43,720 --> 02:34:44,920
Speaker 8: all that, that part I didn't believe it.

3150
02:34:45,040 --> 02:34:47,600
Speaker 2: I never believe that that prot I wasn't worried about it.

3151
02:34:47,840 --> 02:34:51,199
Speaker 8: That was all just nonsense because everybody but I understood

3152
02:34:51,240 --> 02:34:53,640
Speaker 8: why people were like, well it's a weird relationship. But

3153
02:34:54,400 --> 02:34:56,640
Speaker 8: that part I never was like, well, damn, maybe changed. Nah,

3154
02:34:56,720 --> 02:34:59,080
Speaker 8: he was still Gool, just just in a different mental

3155
02:34:59,120 --> 02:35:01,040
Speaker 8: space where he that wasn't him. You know, the way

3156
02:35:01,080 --> 02:35:03,240
Speaker 8: he was looking, the way he was dressing. I know

3157
02:35:03,440 --> 02:35:05,880
Speaker 8: Goo when to get Goo had his own style. I

3158
02:35:05,959 --> 02:35:08,960
Speaker 8: started seeing the similarities and dress and everything.

3159
02:35:08,959 --> 02:35:10,440
Speaker 2: I was just like, this is not my dude.

3160
02:35:10,760 --> 02:35:13,920
Speaker 8: So even when people post certain pictures of him, I'm like,

3161
02:35:14,080 --> 02:35:17,119
Speaker 8: that's the that's afterwards. I don't acknowledge any of those

3162
02:35:17,200 --> 02:35:18,560
Speaker 8: pictures and none of that.

3163
02:35:18,800 --> 02:35:20,920
Speaker 10: By the time, by the time when when him and

3164
02:35:20,959 --> 02:35:24,359
Speaker 10: Solo working together, was Google getting clean at that time.

3165
02:35:24,240 --> 02:35:26,200
Speaker 2: I heard it. He was drink.

3166
02:35:26,320 --> 02:35:28,360
Speaker 8: He's gotten cleaner several times. And one of the first

3167
02:35:28,400 --> 02:35:30,680
Speaker 8: times he got clean, you can vouch for this was

3168
02:35:30,680 --> 02:35:34,080
Speaker 8: when we were in Seattle and he spassed out hard

3169
02:35:34,600 --> 02:35:37,240
Speaker 8: body on stage. It was the second time he did it,

3170
02:35:37,240 --> 02:35:40,760
Speaker 8: because the first time he was flipping, uh was Roode Yeah,

3171
02:35:40,840 --> 02:35:44,920
Speaker 8: Rhode Island, but the one that he filmed, and we

3172
02:35:45,080 --> 02:35:47,640
Speaker 8: showed Guru on the tour bus, this is how you

3173
02:35:47,800 --> 02:35:50,520
Speaker 8: look when you wild out. And he remember we kept

3174
02:35:50,680 --> 02:35:52,760
Speaker 8: we were all playing cards, and we used to play

3175
02:35:52,800 --> 02:35:56,000
Speaker 8: cards every day and be you know, pugging out, laughing,

3176
02:35:56,080 --> 02:35:59,560
Speaker 8: some people watching movies, almost playing video games. And Goos

3177
02:35:59,600 --> 02:36:01,920
Speaker 8: is still staring watching what he looks like on stage

3178
02:36:01,959 --> 02:36:04,240
Speaker 8: because he's never seen himself that wild and out on

3179
02:36:04,400 --> 02:36:06,680
Speaker 8: you know, in that And the next day he quit,

3180
02:36:06,959 --> 02:36:09,680
Speaker 8: he quit drinking, quit drinking, so he would he and

3181
02:36:09,760 --> 02:36:11,920
Speaker 8: he real laps, yeah, but he was still he still

3182
02:36:12,040 --> 02:36:14,840
Speaker 8: quit again again, then started back. He quit again. So

3183
02:36:15,240 --> 02:36:17,240
Speaker 8: when Kess is talking about yeah, yeah, we got him clean,

3184
02:36:17,320 --> 02:36:19,440
Speaker 8: it's like, no, we got him cleaning. We watched him

3185
02:36:19,920 --> 02:36:22,360
Speaker 8: watch that tape, you know what I'm saying, and he

3186
02:36:22,440 --> 02:36:23,720
Speaker 8: would not stop rewinding.

3187
02:36:23,760 --> 02:36:24,800
Speaker 2: And this is not DVD.

3188
02:36:25,320 --> 02:36:27,040
Speaker 8: This is like when you got to go you know,

3189
02:36:27,959 --> 02:36:31,560
Speaker 8: this ain't DVD era, And he kept over and over watching.

3190
02:36:31,840 --> 02:36:34,520
Speaker 8: He was wilding that day at that show. It's crazy,

3191
02:36:34,680 --> 02:36:37,760
Speaker 8: you know, shout out to uh Goldie. He got into

3192
02:36:37,760 --> 02:36:40,200
Speaker 8: a fight with Goldie. I had to break It's It's

3193
02:36:40,240 --> 02:36:43,560
Speaker 8: one of the craziest nights ever in Seattle. And anybody

3194
02:36:43,600 --> 02:36:45,680
Speaker 8: that was there even calm and will tell you that

3195
02:36:45,840 --> 02:36:46,800
Speaker 8: was a crazy night.

3196
02:36:46,879 --> 02:36:48,119
Speaker 2: And we got it all on tape.

3197
02:36:48,440 --> 02:36:51,120
Speaker 8: So that was the day and the next day is

3198
02:36:51,240 --> 02:36:52,080
Speaker 8: when he stopped drinking.

3199
02:36:52,120 --> 02:36:53,160
Speaker 2: From that day.

3200
02:36:53,240 --> 02:36:56,120
Speaker 8: That's why I was like, man, not they got him

3201
02:36:56,240 --> 02:36:58,080
Speaker 8: got him well? No, we got him well first.

3202
02:36:58,160 --> 02:37:01,000
Speaker 2: And that was why I was touring the owners. So

3203
02:37:01,160 --> 02:37:04,000
Speaker 2: by this relationship, y'all were still, but were.

3204
02:37:03,840 --> 02:37:07,720
Speaker 8: Still when we're rocking, because we always would have drama

3205
02:37:07,760 --> 02:37:13,040
Speaker 8: over some nonsense nonsense, never nothing like really really substantial nonsense.

3206
02:37:13,360 --> 02:37:16,200
Speaker 8: And even then it's like this is not worth it,

3207
02:37:16,240 --> 02:37:17,920
Speaker 8: you know, because I'm always it's not worth a god,

3208
02:37:17,959 --> 02:37:18,760
Speaker 8: because I don't want to.

3209
02:37:19,040 --> 02:37:20,520
Speaker 2: Fight and beat up my boys.

3210
02:37:20,720 --> 02:37:22,840
Speaker 8: That's my dude, and he's not he's not my size,

3211
02:37:22,879 --> 02:37:25,440
Speaker 8: he's not he'll he'll throw it, he throw down, he

3212
02:37:25,920 --> 02:37:26,840
Speaker 8: will knuckle.

3213
02:37:26,600 --> 02:37:28,880
Speaker 2: Up me and he doesn't care what size you are.

3214
02:37:29,320 --> 02:37:32,040
Speaker 8: But I don't want to fight him. That's my partner.

3215
02:37:32,320 --> 02:37:34,800
Speaker 8: But all the fights we've had, it's always went to love.

3216
02:37:35,360 --> 02:37:37,680
Speaker 8: I love you, my nigga, let's go and and that's

3217
02:37:37,720 --> 02:37:38,200
Speaker 8: his line.

3218
02:37:38,520 --> 02:37:39,600
Speaker 2: I love you man, I love you.

3219
02:37:39,680 --> 02:37:41,920
Speaker 8: You'll let's go out and we'll go out and celebrate,

3220
02:37:42,360 --> 02:37:44,960
Speaker 8: getting get drunk and come back. But now he's the

3221
02:37:45,080 --> 02:37:46,520
Speaker 8: happy drunk, he's the best.

3222
02:37:47,800 --> 02:37:48,560
Speaker 2: I'm the nicest.

3223
02:37:48,720 --> 02:37:51,200
Speaker 8: Oh no, no, no, that's what he's mad. And you're

3224
02:37:51,280 --> 02:37:55,560
Speaker 8: still not bad that they can't outrap me. But yeah,

3225
02:37:55,640 --> 02:38:00,920
Speaker 8: but but but yeah, it's like the thing that really

3226
02:38:01,000 --> 02:38:03,160
Speaker 8: touched me the most when his father said I need

3227
02:38:03,320 --> 02:38:05,720
Speaker 8: y'all there. I need the two of you there. If

3228
02:38:05,800 --> 02:38:07,920
Speaker 8: not anybody else, do you two, and that that was

3229
02:38:07,959 --> 02:38:11,680
Speaker 8: a big deal. Even when his father died, his father

3230
02:38:11,760 --> 02:38:14,240
Speaker 8: wanted to make it to his ninety first birthday or

3231
02:38:14,240 --> 02:38:16,560
Speaker 8: his ninetieth birthday. I think it was ninety first, could

3232
02:38:16,600 --> 02:38:18,920
Speaker 8: be one of the it's either ninety or ninety one.

3233
02:38:19,320 --> 02:38:21,760
Speaker 8: He was doing really bad just after grew had passed,

3234
02:38:21,800 --> 02:38:23,560
Speaker 8: and he said, if I can make it to my

3235
02:38:23,640 --> 02:38:26,280
Speaker 8: birthday party, Even the doctors told him no, don't do

3236
02:38:26,440 --> 02:38:27,039
Speaker 8: the party here?

3237
02:38:27,320 --> 02:38:28,000
Speaker 2: Really not well?

3238
02:38:28,480 --> 02:38:30,360
Speaker 8: He said no, if I can have this party, I'm

3239
02:38:30,400 --> 02:38:34,080
Speaker 8: ready to die, you know. And so the day he passed,

3240
02:38:34,120 --> 02:38:36,680
Speaker 8: I had to go to Switzerland to do Switzerland do

3241
02:38:37,000 --> 02:38:39,680
Speaker 8: a festival, and when he passed, they were having the

3242
02:38:39,720 --> 02:38:42,360
Speaker 8: service the following day and I asked his sister, Trisha,

3243
02:38:42,400 --> 02:38:46,200
Speaker 8: shout out to her. She's a soldier man, Trisha, I

3244
02:38:46,240 --> 02:38:48,760
Speaker 8: asked her, Hey, is it anyway I could go to

3245
02:38:48,840 --> 02:38:50,840
Speaker 8: the funeral home and go see your dad before I

3246
02:38:50,959 --> 02:38:53,800
Speaker 8: go to Europe, because I don't want to miss the funeral.

3247
02:38:53,879 --> 02:38:55,560
Speaker 8: But I really can't back out of the gig because

3248
02:38:55,560 --> 02:38:57,480
Speaker 8: I had already canceled one when I had my knee surgery.

3249
02:38:57,720 --> 02:38:59,240
Speaker 8: And I've never canceled a gig in my life. And

3250
02:38:59,240 --> 02:39:00,720
Speaker 8: they were letting you, I don't want to be one

3251
02:39:00,920 --> 02:39:03,160
Speaker 8: known for you know how I get my artists don't

3252
02:39:03,200 --> 02:39:05,120
Speaker 8: show up. They started to say, oh, yeah, do a

3253
02:39:05,240 --> 02:39:07,520
Speaker 8: video showing that you're here because we want to make sure.

3254
02:39:07,600 --> 02:39:09,480
Speaker 8: But I did all full video showing at my knee

3255
02:39:09,520 --> 02:39:11,320
Speaker 8: I just had surgery, and they said it was I

3256
02:39:11,360 --> 02:39:13,480
Speaker 8: could have a blood clot and had a heart attack

3257
02:39:13,520 --> 02:39:16,040
Speaker 8: on the plane because it was too close to my surgery.

3258
02:39:16,400 --> 02:39:18,520
Speaker 8: So when his father passed and they were having the

3259
02:39:18,560 --> 02:39:21,280
Speaker 8: service the next day, she said, I'll call on your

3260
02:39:21,320 --> 02:39:22,800
Speaker 8: path and tell him it's okay for you to go

3261
02:39:22,840 --> 02:39:25,360
Speaker 8: see him. She said, you and Shug, and uh. So

3262
02:39:25,959 --> 02:39:28,520
Speaker 8: I called Shug and I said, listen, my flight's the

3263
02:39:28,600 --> 02:39:31,040
Speaker 8: same day to go to Europe. I'll catch a quick

3264
02:39:31,080 --> 02:39:34,040
Speaker 8: shuttle to Boston see him and then fly back to

3265
02:39:34,120 --> 02:39:35,640
Speaker 8: New York and then get on the plane in Europe.

3266
02:39:35,640 --> 02:39:38,000
Speaker 8: And that's exactly what I did, and met Shug, showed me,

3267
02:39:38,280 --> 02:39:40,160
Speaker 8: pick me up at the airport. We got to the

3268
02:39:40,240 --> 02:39:42,760
Speaker 8: funeral home and they were like, hey, we got them

3269
02:39:43,280 --> 02:39:45,959
Speaker 8: to a point where you could see him when song.

3270
02:39:46,280 --> 02:39:48,160
Speaker 8: First thing I said was thank you so much for

3271
02:39:48,240 --> 02:39:51,360
Speaker 8: giving me your son. And you know, we just stood

3272
02:39:51,400 --> 02:39:53,640
Speaker 8: there for a while, just talked around him and you know,

3273
02:39:53,959 --> 02:39:56,120
Speaker 8: rubbed his hand, gave him a kiss, and then I

3274
02:39:56,800 --> 02:40:00,080
Speaker 8: went back and got on the plane, transferred to know

3275
02:40:00,160 --> 02:40:02,840
Speaker 8: the airline and went on the road. But I felt

3276
02:40:02,879 --> 02:40:05,160
Speaker 8: like I got that that was a certain part of

3277
02:40:05,160 --> 02:40:07,720
Speaker 8: closure I needed. That's why, you know, And again I

3278
02:40:07,760 --> 02:40:09,880
Speaker 8: wanted to thank him even in the even though he

3279
02:40:09,959 --> 02:40:12,560
Speaker 8: had sold it already left. I was like, I gotta

3280
02:40:12,600 --> 02:40:13,119
Speaker 8: touch him.

3281
02:40:17,879 --> 02:40:23,840
Speaker 5: Well, Primo, thank you for making our dreams come true. Yeah,

3282
02:40:25,320 --> 02:40:27,720
Speaker 5: but I mean just that it's just just a chance

3283
02:40:27,800 --> 02:40:30,880
Speaker 5: to fan out. I mean, there's definitely enough for it

3284
02:40:31,240 --> 02:40:34,360
Speaker 5: to Jesus Christ. Mean, get to the half of your

3285
02:40:34,400 --> 02:40:39,320
Speaker 5: production work and the breaks and shout out to the breakdown.

3286
02:40:41,840 --> 02:40:43,760
Speaker 8: Since I scored it all, I've seen them all.

3287
02:40:43,840 --> 02:40:48,000
Speaker 5: Well, thank you very much. Yes, I appreciate your work.

3288
02:40:48,360 --> 02:40:49,840
Speaker 5: Thank you, DJ Premiere, Lady.

3289
02:40:49,800 --> 02:40:53,039
Speaker 8: Thanks for having me. Everybody in enough respect to both

3290
02:40:53,040 --> 02:40:55,280
Speaker 8: of all all of the accomplished artists that I'm a

3291
02:40:55,360 --> 02:40:57,440
Speaker 8: fan of. You know, I'm a big fan of both

3292
02:40:57,440 --> 02:41:00,480
Speaker 8: of you. Quests you already know. And uh and we'll

3293
02:41:00,480 --> 02:41:02,760
Speaker 8: be able to work on records with this man like

3294
02:41:02,840 --> 02:41:05,800
Speaker 8: to oh my gosh, yeah and uh yeah man shout

3295
02:41:05,840 --> 02:41:08,440
Speaker 8: the Dan Charna's the seats man and all the casts

3296
02:41:08,480 --> 02:41:16,880
Speaker 8: man man Antoine Harris. Uh, it's so many Taylor too,

3297
02:41:16,959 --> 02:41:20,040
Speaker 8: She's she's good. Yes, yeah, all right, one love y'all.

3298
02:41:20,120 --> 02:41:20,480
Speaker 2: All right.

3299
02:41:20,879 --> 02:41:24,600
Speaker 5: This is a superstar group home produced by the Great

3300
02:41:24,680 --> 02:41:27,280
Speaker 5: DJ Premiere on Quest Love Supreme on Pandora.

3301
02:41:27,360 --> 02:41:29,760
Speaker 2: About that poring in the ghetto.

3302
02:41:29,920 --> 02:41:33,200
Speaker 13: It's hard to survive somehow, a chief that many from

3303
02:41:33,240 --> 02:41:36,160
Speaker 13: a shot, but I real biz, which life to choose?

3304
02:41:36,520 --> 02:41:38,800
Speaker 13: I want to make money, so I got a pad too.

3305
02:41:39,120 --> 02:41:42,119
Speaker 13: But there's no brutal and you only have one chance.

3306
02:41:42,240 --> 02:41:43,720
Speaker 2: If you use your face.

3307
02:41:43,800 --> 02:41:46,680
Speaker 13: The circumstance at night, I used to scream a shout

3308
02:41:47,160 --> 02:41:49,720
Speaker 13: living in the ghetto, trying to get the hell out.

3309
02:41:49,959 --> 02:41:56,000
Speaker 2: So watch my friends got I was superstar shout out.

3310
02:41:56,040 --> 02:41:59,280
Speaker 2: The cameo, uh dog.

3311
02:41:59,760 --> 02:42:03,840
Speaker 5: Now now now that we're in reflection time, there's so

3312
02:42:03,920 --> 02:42:07,119
Speaker 5: many questions that I forgot to ask him.

3313
02:42:07,440 --> 02:42:12,120
Speaker 2: Man, mostly samples. I man, the.

3314
02:42:12,240 --> 02:42:17,760
Speaker 5: Freaking unbelievable sample. Yeah, I hate him for that. Man,

3315
02:42:17,800 --> 02:42:18,480
Speaker 5: I'm gonna have to go.

3316
02:42:18,760 --> 02:42:20,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what that. You just got to

3317
02:42:20,240 --> 02:42:22,240
Speaker 2: go go to the studio, find out what is, and

3318
02:42:22,320 --> 02:42:24,000
Speaker 2: report back to us. That's all I think.

3319
02:42:24,160 --> 02:42:27,480
Speaker 5: Even then he was like, he'll give me the stab,

3320
02:42:27,600 --> 02:42:29,760
Speaker 5: but just won't tell me what it is from which

3321
02:42:29,840 --> 02:42:30,240
Speaker 5: it came.

3322
02:42:31,080 --> 02:42:32,320
Speaker 2: He's so old school with it.

3323
02:42:32,400 --> 02:42:34,320
Speaker 5: I'm like said, he said. All the pads are laid

3324
02:42:34,320 --> 02:42:36,560
Speaker 5: out right there, so you just gotta go. You can

3325
02:42:36,720 --> 02:42:38,360
Speaker 5: find out what the sample is. I just want to

3326
02:42:38,360 --> 02:42:39,880
Speaker 5: go to sleep at night. I don't want to redo

3327
02:42:40,000 --> 02:42:40,440
Speaker 5: this song.

3328
02:42:40,600 --> 02:42:42,320
Speaker 2: I don't know. You don't have to redo the song.

3329
02:42:42,480 --> 02:42:44,400
Speaker 9: Just go and hit one pad in the next pad

3330
02:42:44,400 --> 02:42:45,520
Speaker 9: and then you're like, oh, by the third one, you

3331
02:42:45,520 --> 02:42:46,360
Speaker 9: should have it figured out.

3332
02:42:49,040 --> 02:42:51,720
Speaker 10: I still believe that it's you remind me, you remidy.

3333
02:42:52,040 --> 02:42:53,879
Speaker 10: If you think it's you remind me, I would say

3334
02:42:53,920 --> 02:42:56,640
Speaker 10: that you got to recreate it. Then if you can

3335
02:42:56,680 --> 02:42:59,800
Speaker 10: recreate it, off you remind me, then challenge.

3336
02:43:00,800 --> 02:43:02,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, tap on.

3337
02:43:02,640 --> 02:43:04,400
Speaker 10: But but you know he said it and you remind me,

3338
02:43:04,480 --> 02:43:08,000
Speaker 10: so was it well? You know right, yeah, this was

3339
02:43:08,040 --> 02:43:10,080
Speaker 10: on taken no loops, man, you know what I mean?

3340
02:43:10,840 --> 02:43:13,480
Speaker 10: But no, man, pre black Dog. He's so like just

3341
02:43:13,560 --> 02:43:16,400
Speaker 10: working with him, he does you saw them old school

3342
02:43:16,440 --> 02:43:18,920
Speaker 10: like he is very old school. He still very much

3343
02:43:18,959 --> 02:43:22,920
Speaker 10: operates like it's still in a good way, you know

3344
02:43:22,959 --> 02:43:24,800
Speaker 10: what I mean. Like it's just well, he's true.

3345
02:43:24,920 --> 02:43:25,080
Speaker 2: Man.

3346
02:43:25,280 --> 02:43:27,080
Speaker 9: I just realized something else. We forgot to talk about

3347
02:43:27,600 --> 02:43:31,840
Speaker 9: the Limp Biscuit record. Oh I forgot about the balls. Yeah, Like,

3348
02:43:34,840 --> 02:43:36,960
Speaker 9: I just hope he got paid very well for that,

3349
02:43:37,080 --> 02:43:40,960
Speaker 9: because to the front, it was too good. It was

3350
02:43:41,000 --> 02:43:42,560
Speaker 9: too good for Limp Biscuit. It should have been a

3351
02:43:42,640 --> 02:43:43,640
Speaker 9: Method Man solo record.

3352
02:43:43,840 --> 02:43:46,520
Speaker 2: We could. Man, we forgot, well not forgot, but uh

3353
02:43:46,720 --> 02:43:48,360
Speaker 2: we the Black Eyed Peas.

3354
02:43:48,800 --> 02:43:55,040
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, BP Empire and I forgot to ask him

3355
02:43:55,040 --> 02:43:57,680
Speaker 8: about in this business of rap. So we still haven't

3356
02:43:57,680 --> 02:43:59,440
Speaker 8: figured out what that what that sample is?

3357
02:43:59,520 --> 02:43:59,960
Speaker 2: What evers?

3358
02:44:00,560 --> 02:44:04,920
Speaker 5: I don't have like half the acapella's he does like

3359
02:44:05,720 --> 02:44:10,440
Speaker 5: and it's not like m P or like it's where

3360
02:44:10,480 --> 02:44:11,640
Speaker 5: are these records coming from?

3361
02:44:11,720 --> 02:44:15,360
Speaker 2: That? The copellas you know, one that's always also bugged me.

3362
02:44:15,400 --> 02:44:17,480
Speaker 9: It's it's not primo, but it's a high text The

3363
02:44:17,600 --> 02:44:20,480
Speaker 9: Sun God the Common record Common Sense in a.

3364
02:44:20,480 --> 02:44:23,080
Speaker 2: Ghetto in Chicago, Like that's too perfect for a common

3365
02:44:24,040 --> 02:44:28,600
Speaker 2: to perfect. Somebody made that one. Yeah, I don't know.

3366
02:44:28,680 --> 02:44:31,080
Speaker 10: I don't know that the one I know for the

3367
02:44:31,200 --> 02:44:34,720
Speaker 10: one he just did the record with God, the Dre

3368
02:44:34,920 --> 02:44:37,199
Speaker 10: record the Animals that on Compton.

3369
02:44:38,200 --> 02:44:41,360
Speaker 2: I listened to that album Animal Animals is the one.

3370
02:44:41,440 --> 02:44:45,400
Speaker 2: I'm with you. Animals is that one is dope? He chop.

3371
02:44:46,480 --> 02:44:50,480
Speaker 5: Okay, this is supreme, but nah, he chopped up some

3372
02:44:51,360 --> 02:44:53,800
Speaker 5: It's like some guy from Detroit, Like he samples a

3373
02:44:53,840 --> 02:44:57,760
Speaker 5: lot of like Indie twelve inch like Sandbox out of

3374
02:44:57,840 --> 02:45:00,720
Speaker 5: Man right right right, Like he does a lot of that. Well,

3375
02:45:00,760 --> 02:45:02,640
Speaker 5: I just want to know what his filing system is,

3376
02:45:02,720 --> 02:45:04,480
Speaker 5: Like he just listen. I don't believe that he's got

3377
02:45:04,520 --> 02:45:06,480
Speaker 5: it all in his head because it's like he has

3378
02:45:06,560 --> 02:45:09,560
Speaker 5: to take time to figure out loops, figure out drums,

3379
02:45:09,959 --> 02:45:13,760
Speaker 5: and now figure out a cappella's and practice scratching them shits.

3380
02:45:14,879 --> 02:45:17,040
Speaker 5: That's like four extra jobs.

3381
02:45:17,320 --> 02:45:19,320
Speaker 10: I think he I can believe it because Knife is

3382
02:45:19,360 --> 02:45:20,920
Speaker 10: like that to a degree, Like Knife will pull like

3383
02:45:21,000 --> 02:45:23,800
Speaker 10: vocal samples and stuff like you know, cut he would.

3384
02:45:25,040 --> 02:45:27,600
Speaker 10: I think sometimes it comes to them as they're making

3385
02:45:27,680 --> 02:45:30,200
Speaker 10: the beat and it's just kind of recall, you know

3386
02:45:30,240 --> 02:45:31,520
Speaker 10: what I mean, like this will sound good with that.

3387
02:45:31,760 --> 02:45:35,800
Speaker 5: So see if any memories of because you engineered for

3388
02:45:36,040 --> 02:45:41,200
Speaker 5: some of the people that don't know Sugar Steve was

3389
02:45:41,520 --> 02:45:45,480
Speaker 5: a full time engineer at Electric Ladies Studios during the

3390
02:45:45,680 --> 02:45:50,040
Speaker 5: time of d'angelo's Voodoo Album and some other things. Actually,

3391
02:45:50,080 --> 02:45:53,200
Speaker 5: you did two primo songs. You did you track uh

3392
02:45:54,360 --> 02:45:56,560
Speaker 5: for common Uh the Sun God one he was just

3393
02:45:56,640 --> 02:45:57,080
Speaker 5: talking about.

3394
02:45:57,280 --> 02:46:02,000
Speaker 2: I was for that. Oh that's right, high technology, that's right.

3395
02:46:02,640 --> 02:46:04,560
Speaker 5: By that point we were just you know, everything was

3396
02:46:04,560 --> 02:46:06,640
Speaker 5: getting done on Electric Lady. But you also for the

3397
02:46:06,680 --> 02:46:10,120
Speaker 5: Sixth Sense. Oh yeah, you were there for that, and

3398
02:46:10,280 --> 02:46:11,560
Speaker 5: you were there for Devil's Pie.

3399
02:46:11,600 --> 02:46:14,560
Speaker 7: I'm actually on the skit with you right after the

3400
02:46:14,600 --> 02:46:15,680
Speaker 7: sixth sense or right before it.

3401
02:46:15,800 --> 02:46:22,439
Speaker 5: Right before the Yeah, what is that you dis retrospect

3402
02:46:22,480 --> 02:46:26,080
Speaker 5: me like that? I was like going, I'm the worst

3403
02:46:26,120 --> 02:46:30,080
Speaker 5: at making skits. And of course I even said later,

3404
02:46:30,240 --> 02:46:33,200
Speaker 5: you know, someone called Prince Paul up to do these

3405
02:46:33,200 --> 02:46:34,560
Speaker 5: skits correct, because.

3406
02:46:34,560 --> 02:46:36,680
Speaker 2: You know, it was a last thing on my mind.

3407
02:46:36,760 --> 02:46:40,080
Speaker 2: But do you have any memories of a primo like well, yeah.

3408
02:46:39,959 --> 02:46:44,720
Speaker 7: The Devil's Pie sessions are very memorable because I had

3409
02:46:44,800 --> 02:46:48,480
Speaker 7: never seen anything like that, you know, being done by even.

3410
02:46:48,560 --> 02:46:51,879
Speaker 5: Remember a stack of record, like he had his stack

3411
02:46:51,959 --> 02:46:54,320
Speaker 5: of records, like it was at least one hundred deep,

3412
02:46:55,120 --> 02:46:57,800
Speaker 5: and he was just going through stuff. Nope, nope, nope, nope, nope,

3413
02:46:57,840 --> 02:47:00,600
Speaker 5: nope no. And after a while, like I after forty

3414
02:47:00,640 --> 02:47:02,760
Speaker 5: five minutes, and I just went into the break.

3415
02:47:02,600 --> 02:47:05,560
Speaker 7: Room and are you talking about for when he was

3416
02:47:05,600 --> 02:47:08,920
Speaker 7: putting the scratches on? Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean yeah,

3417
02:47:08,959 --> 02:47:11,920
Speaker 7: he kept coming up with the slice.

3418
02:47:11,560 --> 02:47:13,959
Speaker 2: And the pie and yeah, you know, the whole trying

3419
02:47:14,000 --> 02:47:14,480
Speaker 2: to eat.

3420
02:47:14,360 --> 02:47:19,160
Speaker 7: And yeah, I've just never seen anything done like that,

3421
02:47:19,720 --> 02:47:21,359
Speaker 7: you know, by anybody.

3422
02:47:21,600 --> 02:47:23,680
Speaker 2: And then and we were doing on two inch, Yeah,

3423
02:47:23,760 --> 02:47:24,200
Speaker 2: we're doing on.

3424
02:47:24,680 --> 02:47:25,400
Speaker 13: So it was.

3425
02:47:27,600 --> 02:47:32,240
Speaker 5: Just the amount of precision. That that's when we realized.

3426
02:47:32,320 --> 02:47:34,680
Speaker 5: That's when I realized, like, oh, dude's not normal.

3427
02:47:34,760 --> 02:47:37,240
Speaker 2: He's really no, he's not. He's really not. And it

3428
02:47:37,360 --> 02:47:43,600
Speaker 2: sounds even though it sounds, uh simple, it's really hard

3429
02:47:43,640 --> 02:47:44,119
Speaker 2: to damn.

3430
02:47:44,240 --> 02:47:47,000
Speaker 5: Now I'm thinking of all these things now, I want

3431
02:47:47,040 --> 02:47:49,560
Speaker 5: to ask him why he uses deep snares instead of

3432
02:47:49,640 --> 02:47:53,480
Speaker 5: crack snaes with the exception of coming.

3433
02:47:53,320 --> 02:47:57,560
Speaker 2: For that ass which it was blindellity. Yeah, like that

3434
02:47:57,840 --> 02:48:03,560
Speaker 2: was a departure for him. But it's like next week anyway.

3435
02:48:05,560 --> 02:48:06,680
Speaker 2: Anything else we want to.

3436
02:48:07,680 --> 02:48:11,200
Speaker 10: Wish we could have asked them, man, I think we Well,

3437
02:48:11,520 --> 02:48:15,320
Speaker 10: I want to get into Uh so here's second album.

3438
02:48:15,640 --> 02:48:18,720
Speaker 2: Rath of the Math physical stamina. I did not like

3439
02:48:18,800 --> 02:48:22,440
Speaker 2: physical stamina. I appreciate physical stamina. Now you know what

3440
02:48:22,560 --> 02:48:24,240
Speaker 2: it is? You know, I don't. I didn't. I don't

3441
02:48:24,280 --> 02:48:26,320
Speaker 2: know what it is. But okay, so.

3442
02:48:27,879 --> 02:48:32,240
Speaker 5: You know when when I remember that album and Ladulph

3443
02:48:32,440 --> 02:48:34,320
Speaker 5: Half Life came out the same day and we were

3444
02:48:34,360 --> 02:48:38,600
Speaker 5: on tour together, uh like in ninety seven with uh

3445
02:48:39,760 --> 02:48:43,600
Speaker 5: Jay Rue and and and us, it didn't hit me

3446
02:48:43,760 --> 02:48:46,039
Speaker 5: like the first record, Nah, not at all.

3447
02:48:46,520 --> 02:48:48,760
Speaker 2: I'm not saying it was a bad record, but it

3448
02:48:48,879 --> 02:48:52,199
Speaker 2: tested my patience. It tested my patience.

3449
02:48:52,240 --> 02:48:55,440
Speaker 10: The moments on that record were like high because like

3450
02:48:55,720 --> 02:49:02,000
Speaker 10: like fucking invasion that frustrated and frustrated nigga, fucking Cowboys

3451
02:49:02,040 --> 02:49:03,160
Speaker 10: and I did with.

3452
02:49:03,200 --> 02:49:07,600
Speaker 5: Cowboys because of the disc and what do you call

3453
02:49:07,640 --> 02:49:13,000
Speaker 5: it was the other joint, the one fucking whatever? Well

3454
02:49:13,040 --> 02:49:19,039
Speaker 5: he redid the field, oh right right there? Yeah, Oh

3455
02:49:19,280 --> 02:49:21,560
Speaker 5: my god, man, that was the one.

3456
02:49:21,640 --> 02:49:24,440
Speaker 2: I was like, you know what I didn't like. I

3457
02:49:24,480 --> 02:49:27,200
Speaker 2: don't think I like what I felt. One Day was

3458
02:49:27,720 --> 02:49:30,520
Speaker 2: half cooked. I can Yeah.

3459
02:49:31,560 --> 02:49:34,680
Speaker 5: First of all, it was like an interlude and it

3460
02:49:34,800 --> 02:49:38,040
Speaker 5: was released as the first single. That was the first single, Yeah,

3461
02:49:38,200 --> 02:49:44,400
Speaker 5: dog like And that's back when like labels were sending

3462
02:49:44,480 --> 02:49:46,000
Speaker 5: you like by that point, I was in a few

3463
02:49:46,080 --> 02:49:49,119
Speaker 5: DJ pools, so it was like, you know, Sticker New

3464
02:49:49,520 --> 02:49:51,279
Speaker 5: ruled the damage to One Day.

3465
02:49:51,640 --> 02:49:55,080
Speaker 2: And you know, there was like like there was like

3466
02:49:55,160 --> 02:49:57,160
Speaker 2: bus sheets, tim sheets.

3467
02:49:56,840 --> 02:49:59,440
Speaker 5: On there with the DJs of the country like oh man,

3468
02:49:59,480 --> 02:50:02,360
Speaker 5: he's going home hard or you know, or Biggie and

3469
02:50:02,720 --> 02:50:05,840
Speaker 5: Foxy Brown and you know, and I got it and

3470
02:50:05,920 --> 02:50:08,040
Speaker 5: I played it and it was just like there was

3471
02:50:08,120 --> 02:50:11,920
Speaker 5: no hook, yeah, and it was kind of I felt

3472
02:50:12,000 --> 02:50:15,320
Speaker 5: it was very convenient how he just tiptoed around when

3473
02:50:15,400 --> 02:50:19,160
Speaker 5: hip hop got to the West Coast, and then it

3474
02:50:19,240 --> 02:50:20,920
Speaker 5: got to the West coast, I was like, hey, shiot

3475
02:50:21,040 --> 02:50:23,000
Speaker 5: night and I got playing ticket home.

3476
02:50:22,920 --> 02:50:29,840
Speaker 2: Man that that night one day? Yeah he did kind of.

3477
02:50:30,000 --> 02:50:32,520
Speaker 10: Yeah, damn that was I didn't was because the first

3478
02:50:32,560 --> 02:50:35,039
Speaker 10: one I heard was you're playing yourself, which well.

3479
02:50:34,840 --> 02:50:37,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, one day was like a white label preview, and

3480
02:50:37,320 --> 02:50:40,720
Speaker 5: then you're playing yourself came out, and damn I never

3481
02:50:40,800 --> 02:50:41,480
Speaker 5: got to ask him.

3482
02:50:41,520 --> 02:50:44,040
Speaker 2: What was Biggie's reaction to your playing yourself?

3483
02:50:44,240 --> 02:50:44,440
Speaker 8: Oh?

3484
02:50:44,640 --> 02:50:44,800
Speaker 2: Man?

3485
02:50:46,040 --> 02:50:49,760
Speaker 5: Because I mean obviously, I meant when you feel some

3486
02:50:49,879 --> 02:50:57,640
Speaker 5: sort of way, if absolutely like yeah, yeah, yeah, no

3487
02:50:57,800 --> 02:51:01,960
Speaker 5: for real, for real? Well, uh, what is your all right?

3488
02:51:02,040 --> 02:51:02,600
Speaker 5: Closing out?

3489
02:51:02,720 --> 02:51:08,840
Speaker 2: What is your bill? Boss bill? What is your Desert

3490
02:51:08,920 --> 02:51:18,120
Speaker 2: Island premiere album? Single? Song? Song? God? Can you come

3491
02:51:18,200 --> 02:51:18,520
Speaker 2: back to me?

3492
02:51:19,480 --> 02:51:19,520
Speaker 9: This?

3493
02:51:19,920 --> 02:51:24,320
Speaker 2: This is hard. Part of me wants to say mass appeal,

3494
02:51:25,000 --> 02:51:30,600
Speaker 2: but then there's all right, non single, non single? What

3495
02:51:30,800 --> 02:51:31,120
Speaker 2: is yeah?

3496
02:51:31,400 --> 02:51:37,600
Speaker 5: That island one song? It's all you get, non single, primo,

3497
02:51:38,160 --> 02:51:46,879
Speaker 5: non single, so Dodgs fuck never even to ship, So.

3498
02:51:47,080 --> 02:51:50,840
Speaker 2: So does that counter know? So non single? All right,

3499
02:51:50,920 --> 02:51:55,920
Speaker 2: non single? Give me whatever by Jay Rue, give me whatever, whatever,

3500
02:51:56,040 --> 02:51:59,080
Speaker 2: whatever you want to do. It's whatever. I gotta do

3501
02:51:59,200 --> 02:52:02,959
Speaker 2: my thing. I gotta oh, y'all cruise whatever. That's Phillips

3502
02:52:03,000 --> 02:52:06,800
Speaker 2: John Off the second j Robber, give me that, give

3503
02:52:06,879 --> 02:52:11,160
Speaker 2: me three? Okay three, give me that? Give me uh

3504
02:52:13,000 --> 02:52:16,920
Speaker 2: give me above the clouds? Was that a single? Technically

3505
02:52:17,080 --> 02:52:18,480
Speaker 2: was a B side, But I'll let you have it. Okay,

3506
02:52:18,520 --> 02:52:25,119
Speaker 2: give me above the clouds and give me man ship man.

3507
02:52:25,240 --> 02:52:28,120
Speaker 2: Give me X to the next to the next. Okay,

3508
02:52:28,240 --> 02:52:28,880
Speaker 2: that was a single.

3509
02:52:29,320 --> 02:52:31,160
Speaker 5: Damn it was a single. Fun it was a sing Okay,

3510
02:52:31,360 --> 02:52:35,520
Speaker 5: all right, non singles? Okay, give me uh hmm, give

3511
02:52:35,760 --> 02:52:44,200
Speaker 5: me take to him pass there you go. I'll take

3512
02:52:44,240 --> 02:52:47,320
Speaker 5: that well or behalf.

3513
02:52:49,360 --> 02:52:52,240
Speaker 7: I this show does not care about my reflections whatsoever.

3514
02:52:53,160 --> 02:52:57,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that, Steve. Is this the second week? Yes,

3515
02:52:58,160 --> 02:52:59,720
Speaker 2: we got a minute left, give us a.

3516
02:53:00,280 --> 02:53:02,400
Speaker 7: I liked what he was saying about the labels on

3517
02:53:02,480 --> 02:53:05,240
Speaker 7: the records. They're hypnotizing their magic. I agree with them

3518
02:53:05,280 --> 02:53:05,720
Speaker 7: about all that.

3519
02:53:05,920 --> 02:53:08,280
Speaker 2: For me, it was Sole Records, the two circles, watching

3520
02:53:08,320 --> 02:53:10,480
Speaker 2: them around the circles. Yeah, that's a good one.

3521
02:53:10,959 --> 02:53:13,480
Speaker 7: I mean, I had the same experience growing up with

3522
02:53:13,600 --> 02:53:20,440
Speaker 7: the with the The Delight and street Wise and Bell Records.

3523
02:53:20,480 --> 02:53:23,480
Speaker 7: If you ever heard of them? Yeah, yeah, and now

3524
02:53:23,560 --> 02:53:26,080
Speaker 7: it's the Jazz Records, the ct I S and the

3525
02:53:26,160 --> 02:53:30,520
Speaker 7: e c ms. The labels are I think an underrated

3526
02:53:30,560 --> 02:53:34,080
Speaker 7: part of the record experience. And then his whole thing

3527
02:53:34,120 --> 02:53:38,600
Speaker 7: about about taking the turntables apart and really being in

3528
02:53:38,720 --> 02:53:41,320
Speaker 7: love with how turntables work. And then you know, just

3529
02:53:41,440 --> 02:53:44,440
Speaker 7: how something that that he was so enamored with when

3530
02:53:44,480 --> 02:53:47,400
Speaker 7: he was so little became his entire career and he

3531
02:53:47,920 --> 02:53:49,600
Speaker 7: you know, really took it to the next level and

3532
02:53:49,640 --> 02:53:49,840
Speaker 7: all that.

3533
02:53:49,879 --> 02:53:55,280
Speaker 2: That's just incredible single. No, it was. It was a video.

3534
02:53:55,400 --> 02:54:00,600
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, it's weird and other reflection.

3535
02:54:00,720 --> 02:54:03,720
Speaker 2: I have I date it yo yo.

3536
02:54:04,520 --> 02:54:09,920
Speaker 5: Here in sideiffic, I dated the person to whom two

3537
02:54:10,080 --> 02:54:11,560
Speaker 5: Honey Buns was directated to.

3538
02:54:12,560 --> 02:54:16,560
Speaker 2: Yes, and it was kind of a Jay Rue versus

3539
02:54:16,680 --> 02:54:26,160
Speaker 2: a mirror movement. Also exclusive anyway anything else, Steve Nope?

3540
02:54:27,560 --> 02:54:35,040
Speaker 2: Well yah, Boss Bill Fontigelo, Thank you again, premiere. This

3541
02:54:35,280 --> 02:54:38,120
Speaker 2: was uh course Love Supreme on Bandura and we will

3542
02:54:38,160 --> 02:54:43,120
Speaker 2: see you guys on the next go route. Thank you West.

3543
02:54:43,200 --> 02:54:46,640
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3544
02:54:46,680 --> 02:54:55,119
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02:54:55,160 --> 02:54:58,560
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3546
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