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Speaker 1: This is Frosted Tips with Lance Bass, an iHeartRadio podcast.

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Speaker 2: Hello, my Little Peanuts, it's me your host, Lance Bass.

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Speaker 2: This is Frosted Tips with me and my lovely co host,

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Speaker 2: Slash Husband. Hello the Turkey. Yes, I got back from Miami.

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Speaker 3: I did.

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Speaker 2: I'm seeing the fam so sorry, grandma passed.

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Speaker 4: Yes, my last remaining grandparent. Yeah, has left this earth.

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Speaker 4: I don't know why I'm not laughing.

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Speaker 3: This grandma was a carrock. She was a character.

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Speaker 5: She had a great life though, So it was a

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Speaker 5: very happy funeral.

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Speaker 4: It wasn't a happy funeral. I shouldn't say that, but

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Speaker 4: it was.

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Speaker 6: It was a lively funeral. She's from New Orleans.

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Speaker 4: So they had a whole I mean it was catered,

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Speaker 4: like they spent a fortune on like this whole Yeah,

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Speaker 4: this whole thing at my grandma's house.

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Speaker 5: It was like oyster bar and like a fried chicken bar,

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Speaker 5: this is gumbo bar. It was everything. And then they

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Speaker 5: had a whole band, the whole jazz band with a

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Speaker 5: blue singer.

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Speaker 2: That just sounds wretch.

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Speaker 5: Yeah it was, yeah, it was, it was, And it

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Speaker 5: was like a whole party.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Look that's how I want to go for sure.

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Speaker 5: Literally you've always had done.

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Speaker 2: And yeah music, I kind of see bagpipes too.

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Speaker 4: I feel like, if you know you're gonna die, like

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Speaker 4: if you're in hospice, you'd want to have the funeral

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Speaker 4: like when you were kind of I'll just will you

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Speaker 4: out into the room to watch it.

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Speaker 5: You know, semi live, semi not alive, and you.

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Speaker 4: Can just kind of see party. Yeah, Yeah, we're gonna

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Speaker 4: have a pre funeral frequence. Don't suddenly you're gonna ruin

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Speaker 4: the surprise.

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Speaker 2: I think everyone should, yeah, throw their funeral years before

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Speaker 2: they passed, just so they.

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Speaker 3: Just in case.

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Speaker 6: You can see. That's a good idea.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of a morbid conversation.

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Speaker 6: Why not.

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Speaker 2: We also just got back from Austin, Texas. All right, y'all.

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Speaker 2: Austin is a great city, so fun, five.

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Speaker 3: Music and food.

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Speaker 2: I feel like Austin is the perfect baby of New

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Speaker 2: Orleans and Nashville. Yeah, you know, it's got that live feel.

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Speaker 2: It's very just hip and cool, young, very young, really young.

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Speaker 2: But we kind of fell in love with it, and

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Speaker 2: you know, we've been kind of contemplating basing ourselves somewhere

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Speaker 2: back in the South so the kids can go to school,

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Speaker 2: you know, with a little more space. So we're looking

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Speaker 2: at Nashville, but now I think I like Austin. Austin

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Speaker 2: might be the place. And so many of our best

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Speaker 2: friends lived there. Jamielyn Sigler moved down there with like

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Speaker 2: a bunch of her friends, like a bunch of those

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Speaker 2: actresses kind of moved down there. And uh yeah, Haley,

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Speaker 2: Haley Duff and Kacey Keebler.

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Speaker 3: It's a good.

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Speaker 2: Crew and everyone has kids like our kids would fit

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Speaker 2: in so well there.

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Speaker 6: He could be the honorary gaze.

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Speaker 2: And you know, you know, I don't want to push

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Speaker 2: upon I don't want to push anything upon my kids.

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Speaker 2: But if there's anything I want to push onto, Panucci

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Speaker 2: or Violet, we call.

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Speaker 3: My san Panucci.

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Speaker 2: Uh is baseball and it's such a baseball town. And

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Speaker 2: you know, Jamie Lynn's husband is, you know, professional baseball player.

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Speaker 2: And we went to go see uh, oh my god,

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Speaker 3: It is so fun.

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Speaker 6: It was, Oh my god, it was so cute.

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Speaker 4: I'm not gonna name names, but there was I don't

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Speaker 4: want to call this person out. There's an actor who

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Speaker 4: had who has moved who was in the you know,

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Speaker 4: back in a while ago during my teenage was like

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Speaker 4: in a real popular teen movie, Like it was like

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Speaker 4: The Pinnacle at the time time, and that nice guy

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Speaker 4: like so nice or you think, like what are you

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Speaker 2: It seems almost fake. You're like, what is why are

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Speaker 4: But he is, you know, not does not have an accent.

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Speaker 4: He's not from Texas, but he moved to Austin a

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Speaker 4: few years ago. And when he and we were warned

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Speaker 4: you might be at this baseball game and if he started,

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Speaker 6: Now it's been there for like five years.

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Speaker 3: I love.

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Speaker 6: From there, I say, and we're like, it can't be.

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Speaker 5: That bad, and he lo and behold, he just shows up.

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Speaker 6: The kid wasn't even playing baseball. He literally shows up.

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Speaker 4: Hey guys, you know what. I just had to come

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Speaker 4: over Whilston game myself. I just love the atmosphere here.

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Speaker 4: It brings a launcher to watch Little League with his

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Speaker 4: wife and son. And his wife's like hey, no accent,

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Speaker 4: and his daughter and he was just like, well, gee golly,

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Speaker 4: oh my god, this is my little lady. And they're like, well,

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Speaker 4: you've adopted a new life. Good for you may be happy.

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Speaker 2: It was amazing. It was as as warned as we were.

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Speaker 2: It was even beyond that beyond. It felt like, was

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Speaker 2: that fog lorn? What was the foghorn foghorn leghorn or whatever?

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Speaker 6: Whatever? The rooster? He was literally like, well I do declare.

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Speaker 6: I was like, what is going on? It was a trip.

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Speaker 2: I won't say the name, and we're coming for you

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Speaker 2: because yeah, I love it. I wish it was the

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Speaker 2: only problem about like in Nashville or Austin. I am

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Speaker 2: on the beach.

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Speaker 3: How great.

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Speaker 2: They have great lakes, really great lakes.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, but it's close enough.

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Speaker 2: All right, that's enough of enough of this. Let's take

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Speaker 2: a little break and we'll come back. We have the

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Speaker 2: one and only Johnny Right on the show today. Lots

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Speaker 2: of questions, and we have a lot of fan questions

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Speaker 2: out there too, So.

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Speaker 3: We come back. Johnny Right will be.

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Speaker 2: With us, all right, Turkey, We do have some breaking

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Speaker 2: news to share our lovely listeners. Uh. We're changing the world,

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Speaker 2: is all I have to say.

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Speaker 6: We're making dreams come true.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Frosted Tips is really changing the world because of you, guys.

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Speaker 2: Because of you, guys, we have something very special to announce.

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Speaker 2: Remember when we had that interview with dream Street, how

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Speaker 2: could you not remember? And we convince them to, you know,

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Speaker 2: get back together and just give us another song. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: well it's happening. What that's right? Dream Street, Breaking News,

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Speaker 2: Breaking News is releasing their first single in a very

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Speaker 2: long time on the eleventh. It's going to be on Spotify.

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Speaker 2: And it's also Christian who Sale's birthday, so I have

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Speaker 2: you know, obviously this is you know, in memory of him,

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Speaker 2: but I am so I've not heard it yet, so

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Speaker 2: we're all gonna have.

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Speaker 3: To wait for the eleventh.

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Speaker 2: But uh yeah, we're making dreams come true with dream Street.

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Speaker 2: I'll cross to Tips.

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Speaker 6: I can't wait.

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Speaker 2: Guys, you did this, You did this, all right? Who

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Speaker 2: else can we get to come back?

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Speaker 6: I'll work on InSync?

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, okay, we'll work.

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Speaker 6: On that one.

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Speaker 2: So congratulations dream Street. I'm so excited to hear it. Yay.

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Speaker 2: All right, guys, welcome back to the show. We have

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Speaker 2: a very special show today because we got the man

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Speaker 2: behind so many of your favorite artists. So he's got

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Speaker 2: the true tea on everything. But I know it's hard

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Speaker 2: to get some stories out of him. So let's let's see,

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Speaker 2: you know how much we can get him to reveal,

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Speaker 2: because he's pretty secretive.

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Speaker 3: Gentleman, Oh yeah, gentlemen.

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Speaker 2: Here American talent agent, media proprietor. He has managed groups

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Speaker 2: all Right, New Kids on the Block, Backstreet Boys, in Sync,

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Speaker 2: Jonas Brothers, Menudo, Triple Image, Janet Jackson, Justin Timerlake, Britney Spears,

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Speaker 2: Aaron Carter, Stevie Brock, Sierra.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, come on, I've heard of a couple

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Speaker 3: of them.

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Speaker 2: I've heard a few of those. We're working in radio.

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Speaker 2: He befriend them, Restar who discovered New Edition and in

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Speaker 2: nineteen eighty eight, when Star was managing New Kids on

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Speaker 2: the Block, Starhard Right as a driver for the band.

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Speaker 2: I feel like everyone starts as a driver, and Right

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Speaker 2: became the group's road manager for four years. Right is

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Speaker 2: currently President CEO of Right Entertainment Group. The Right Entertainment

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Speaker 2: Group managers roster includes Justin Timber, Late ninety eight Degrees,

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Speaker 2: Agent MacLean and Incabus Johnny Right, Welcome.

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Speaker 3: To the show.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thank you for having me excited. To have you

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Speaker 2: here because I have never interviewed you. Really no, I

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Speaker 2: mean only for that documentary, but I didn't even get to.

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Speaker 3: Interview you, that's true.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, But all right, so let's start at the beginning.

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Speaker 2: I don't know, Okay, where are you from? What was

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Speaker 2: little Johnny Wright.

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Speaker 5: Like as a kid?

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Speaker 3: Oh? He was a terror? Yeah? All right? How far

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Speaker 3: back you want to go?

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Speaker 2: Or where were you born?

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Speaker 7: I was born in Cape Cod, Massachusetts, Diana's.

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Speaker 7: But the bottom line is my mother was an organist

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Speaker 7: I'd play all of her records, see, And so I

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Speaker 7: got a fascination for music and song, you know. Flip

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Speaker 7: a few years later. Where we're from, there wasn't a

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Speaker 7: me and my cousin Cassandra, sitting home listening to the radio.

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Speaker 7: They had a show called Instant Request, and you could

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Speaker 7: I took that class, and it wasn't what I thought

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Speaker 7: it was. It wasn't about how to actually work the

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Speaker 7: I went to the bathroom and the biggest disc jockey

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Speaker 7: is Tony Arden. He said, that's a pretty boring class.

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Speaker 7: I said absolutely. So he said, hey, if you really

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Speaker 7: Look, Marris was cool, like I've never had any problems

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Speaker 7: He had a song called about Time I Funked You Baby.

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Speaker 7: I don't want to get myself in trouble with that,

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Speaker 6: It was just I mean, that is wild.

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Speaker 7: I was the only child, so I was a dreamer,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been so fun seeing all the angles of

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Speaker 7: within an hour and a half he had me on

443
00:19:50,920 --> 00:19:54,880
Speaker 7: the phone with Justin's parents. I found him. I found him,

444
00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:57,400
Speaker 7: And so this whole thing was set up to come.

445
00:19:57,640 --> 00:19:59,800
Speaker 7: Yon Bolts and a couple other people were going to

446
00:19:59,840 --> 00:20:02,760
Speaker 7: come from Germany to watch you guys in that hot

447
00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,160
Speaker 7: as warehouse. Yes, and I had again, I had only

448
00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,359
Speaker 7: seen a picture. And the other thing was the video

449
00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:10,359
Speaker 7: that got sent to me was you guys doing a

450
00:20:10,359 --> 00:20:13,439
Speaker 7: song called tell Me that I'm Dreaming, and that was

451
00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,360
Speaker 7: the song the Backstreet.

452
00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:15,560
Speaker 3: Boys had done.

453
00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,600
Speaker 7: Oh really yeah, So what I said to Lou I

454
00:20:17,640 --> 00:20:19,879
Speaker 7: was like, why are they doing Backstreet Boys record and

455
00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:22,560
Speaker 7: this is a song that Lou wrote, so he was

456
00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:23,560
Speaker 7: did he really write it?

457
00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:24,320
Speaker 3: Well, we don't.

458
00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:29,439
Speaker 2: The Joy Williams, Robbie and Gary barlow on and I

459
00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:32,960
Speaker 2: remember that first demo tape, Lou wrote a song called

460
00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:35,560
Speaker 2: I Want You Back for More or something.

461
00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:36,000
Speaker 5: Something like that.

462
00:20:36,080 --> 00:20:39,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was it was the take, I take

463
00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:48,240
Speaker 2: that song that he just rewrote, wrote it well.

464
00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,399
Speaker 7: But Lou's odds thing was all the guys are just

465
00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,040
Speaker 7: doing it as a as a tribute to Backstreet Boys

466
00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:54,200
Speaker 7: because they're so impressed with.

467
00:20:54,200 --> 00:20:56,200
Speaker 3: Their success that they know who they were.

468
00:20:58,200 --> 00:21:00,440
Speaker 7: So then I fly in the day before you guys

469
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:02,520
Speaker 7: are supposed to meet Yan and the team, and I'm.

470
00:21:02,320 --> 00:21:03,920
Speaker 3: Like, I hope these guys are good. I hope these

471
00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:04,440
Speaker 3: guys are good.

472
00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:07,840
Speaker 7: And I walk in and you and Justin were the

473
00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:09,480
Speaker 7: first ones that came up to me and greeted me.

474
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,040
Speaker 7: And so I'm sitting there and I'm watching the rehearsal

475
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:15,040
Speaker 7: and I go, Wow, this can't be right.

476
00:21:15,119 --> 00:21:16,000
Speaker 3: This is crazy.

477
00:21:16,600 --> 00:21:18,800
Speaker 7: And so then John and those guys came and the

478
00:21:18,800 --> 00:21:19,639
Speaker 7: rest is history.

479
00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:22,040
Speaker 2: I remember that day vividly.

480
00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:23,640
Speaker 3: It was so hot.

481
00:21:23,720 --> 00:21:26,720
Speaker 2: I remember this the blimp warehouse or whatever, I mean,

482
00:21:26,760 --> 00:21:29,959
Speaker 2: one hundred and ten degrees rehearsing. We'd been together for

483
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,000
Speaker 2: just a few months at that point, so we still

484
00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,840
Speaker 2: were figuring out what we sounded like. I mean, we

485
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:38,880
Speaker 2: didn't know, and we tried getting a record deal in America.

486
00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:40,960
Speaker 2: No one would sign us because like, yeah, I'm not

487
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,359
Speaker 2: going to work here. And then yeah, you came in, introduced

488
00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,119
Speaker 2: us to Jan Boltz and being Jeriola Yan comes in,

489
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:50,719
Speaker 2: sees us, looks at me and says, yeah, not with

490
00:21:50,720 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 2: that kid, though, he was like, I'll sign them, but you.

491
00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:56,719
Speaker 7: Had to kick Glance out of the group. Yeah, there

492
00:21:56,760 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 7: was two conditions of that. You had to go. And

493
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 7: we had to change the name because he said, you know,

494
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:05,280
Speaker 7: people of Germany wouldn't be able to pronounce it, and

495
00:22:05,320 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 7: we were like, well, first of all, once they get it,

496
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:10,399
Speaker 7: they'll never forget it, so we're not changing. And Lance

497
00:22:10,440 --> 00:22:13,600
Speaker 7: appeals to the sensitive girl each one of the guys, right,

498
00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,879
Speaker 7: But let me tell you that I had absolutely no

499
00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:23,879
Speaker 7: crue clue at that point in time that that was

500
00:22:23,920 --> 00:22:27,800
Speaker 7: where you were. In fact, I'm truly honest, I never

501
00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,359
Speaker 7: knew until you did the People magazine. Really, y'all didn't

502
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:35,439
Speaker 7: assume the only time that it registered somewhat to me

503
00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 7: is we were in a dressing room and Chris said something,

504
00:22:39,160 --> 00:22:41,160
Speaker 7: you guys kind of got into a little thing. Yeah,

505
00:22:41,240 --> 00:22:43,959
Speaker 7: you told said something to you about it, and then

506
00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:44,560
Speaker 7: I was like.

507
00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:47,520
Speaker 2: It scared the crap. It was it's gonna be me video.

508
00:22:48,160 --> 00:22:50,320
Speaker 2: And we were in the dressing room and it was

509
00:22:50,320 --> 00:22:52,320
Speaker 2: the first time anyone had just looked at me like

510
00:22:52,320 --> 00:22:53,000
Speaker 2: are you gay?

511
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:57,800
Speaker 6: I was like, hey, man, are you gay?

512
00:22:59,160 --> 00:23:01,480
Speaker 2: I I mean I wish I could go back to

513
00:23:01,480 --> 00:23:04,040
Speaker 2: that moment and be like yes, just like see what

514
00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:06,080
Speaker 2: would have happened. I mean, I don't know, but it was.

515
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:09,400
Speaker 2: It was scary, like you felt like your life would

516
00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:12,160
Speaker 2: be in danger if anyone found out this secret.

517
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:15,439
Speaker 7: It was, but then again, you were dating the hottest

518
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:17,880
Speaker 7: girl in ABC, so it was like, you know, how

519
00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:18,640
Speaker 7: could that be?

520
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:18,959
Speaker 3: You know?

521
00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 2: I mean, look, if I could fall in love with

522
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:24,240
Speaker 2: a woman, it would have been her for sure.

523
00:23:24,440 --> 00:23:26,760
Speaker 3: Danielle was like the one.

524
00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 2: And I thought, I thought that's what love was like.

525
00:23:29,520 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 2: I felt in love with her, but I had never

526
00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 2: really been truly in love to know what that felt

527
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 2: like because I was so young. But I really did

528
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,560
Speaker 2: think that, you know, this is one I can you

529
00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:40,600
Speaker 2: know I always knew I'd had to hide it. I

530
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,880
Speaker 2: would never act on it. You know, you always tea

531
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 2: you know, treat your you know, you know, try to

532
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:47,200
Speaker 2: get trick your brain into thinking that I will never

533
00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:47,800
Speaker 2: act on it.

534
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:48,360
Speaker 3: You know.

535
00:23:50,200 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 2: I did.

536
00:23:52,320 --> 00:23:53,120
Speaker 3: I went back.

537
00:23:53,359 --> 00:23:57,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was God's little joke to put me in

538
00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,960
Speaker 2: a band that's ninety nine percent women fans, right, because well,

539
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:06,679
Speaker 2: at least it was safe. I wasn't distract accidental pregnancy out.

540
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:07,120
Speaker 3: Yeah.

541
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:25,879
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't even know if I told you this story.

542
00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:28,919
Speaker 2: But when you were with New Kids, do you remember

543
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,920
Speaker 2: doing the stadium in Jackson, Mississippi?

544
00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 3: No? You know?

545
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:34,359
Speaker 2: Okay, so there was a y'all did a stadium tour?

546
00:24:34,520 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that would have been ninety three or

547
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 2: Magic Summer Tour. Yeah, yeah, because maybe perfect gentleman opened up?

548
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:43,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, okayck West was he on the show? The guy

549
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:44,680
Speaker 3: that looked like.

550
00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, I camped out for tickets with my sister

551
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,679
Speaker 2: and somehow still got nosebleed back row seats. I had

552
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,080
Speaker 2: to use binoculars this whole time. But looking back at that,

553
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:00,520
Speaker 2: the amount of people that would be working on our

554
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:03,199
Speaker 2: team that was on that stage, right, I mean I

555
00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:05,679
Speaker 2: think there was. I mean, I think Ibrahim might have.

556
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 3: Been on that and and.

557
00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:12,159
Speaker 2: Just yes, yeah, that's just that's such a full circle

558
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:14,960
Speaker 2: moment for me, Like, oh my god, I can't believe

559
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,800
Speaker 2: I was at the back of that stadium, you know,

560
00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:20,159
Speaker 2: not knowing that this would be my world at some point.

561
00:25:20,480 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 2: It was crazy when New Kids started to fade, because,

562
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,080
Speaker 2: I mean music was weird at that time. I mean

563
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 2: pop was looked at as just kids music at that point,

564
00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:35,639
Speaker 2: and grunge was coming in. Hip hop was exploding at

565
00:25:35,640 --> 00:25:39,160
Speaker 2: that time. Did you see the writing on the wall

566
00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 2: at the end of New Kids, like you did you

567
00:25:41,000 --> 00:25:43,560
Speaker 2: know that that was going to eventually end? And what

568
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,280
Speaker 2: did you think you were going to parley into if

569
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:47,159
Speaker 2: that were to happen.

570
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 7: No, it's kind of one of the visionaries behind it.

571
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:55,560
Speaker 7: You just again, our role hadn't stopped for me. Music

572
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 7: was changing, radio was playing something different, but the fans

573
00:25:58,760 --> 00:26:01,199
Speaker 7: were still coming out to the show. So as long

574
00:26:01,240 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 7: as they wanted to support the group, you know, I

575
00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,120
Speaker 7: was like, Okay, we can ride this out. I think

576
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:11,000
Speaker 7: it was NWA came. Donnie got really into that group,

577
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,440
Speaker 7: you know, and that's when he said to us, guys,

578
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:15,199
Speaker 7: I don't know where this is, where we fit in

579
00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 7: this anymore. But I think that the one thing that

580
00:26:18,119 --> 00:26:20,360
Speaker 7: caused them to take a break, and they did this.

581
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:21,080
Speaker 3: On their own.

582
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 7: It wasn't a situation where the world said, hey, we

583
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 7: had enough of you. They got tired of seeing all

584
00:26:26,800 --> 00:26:29,679
Speaker 7: the merch. There were new kids on a block, toilet

585
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 7: paper and marbles and stuff like that.

586
00:26:33,240 --> 00:26:38,119
Speaker 4: Differently, it was remember but spread. My cousin had like

587
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:40,400
Speaker 4: them all over bad. I remember it was so young,

588
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 4: and I annoyed you where they are, But I'm like, wow,

589
00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 4: these guys are all over your room.

590
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,240
Speaker 7: Interesting and you could relate to this, you know, when

591
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,200
Speaker 7: you're on a roll. Us mean managers, we just want

592
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,280
Speaker 7: to keep pushing it so you're having all this success

593
00:26:52,280 --> 00:26:55,600
Speaker 7: and you're making money. In that case, they were making money,

594
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 7: and it's like when do I have a chance to

595
00:26:57,320 --> 00:26:59,520
Speaker 7: enjoy it. I'm just getting older and older and older.

596
00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:01,280
Speaker 7: So it was kind of like, we want to take

597
00:27:01,320 --> 00:27:03,560
Speaker 7: a year, year and a half off and let's just

598
00:27:03,600 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 7: see where things are. So at that point for me,

599
00:27:06,320 --> 00:27:08,160
Speaker 7: I was I was out of a job, you know.

600
00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,439
Speaker 7: And Dick Scott, who actually was the official manager for

601
00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:14,480
Speaker 7: the band, he said to me, he said, I have

602
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:17,399
Speaker 7: this other act that's in Europe. He said, they're called Snap.

603
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:19,280
Speaker 7: He goes, if you want to keep working, I'll send

604
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:21,760
Speaker 7: you out. They need a tour manager, and I said, well,

605
00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:24,160
Speaker 7: what happened to their tour manager? And they were like, well,

606
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 7: the lead singer Turble put him in a hospital in Italy.

607
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 3: So he's going to be there for eight weeks.

608
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 7: But I was like, at first I thought he was joking.

609
00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 7: I was I can't be that bad. So I fly

610
00:27:35,880 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 7: to London and consent.

611
00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,240
Speaker 3: That we got the power. I got the power and

612
00:27:39,320 --> 00:27:40,200
Speaker 3: rhythm is a dancer.

613
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,360
Speaker 6: I mean that that is so Florida.

614
00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 2: It's like so Orlando. It was just that era of.

615
00:27:47,280 --> 00:27:53,560
Speaker 5: That, you know, it was so Miami, the radio, pump.

616
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 3: Up the jam. Yeah.

617
00:27:56,200 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 7: So so anyways, I connected with him and the first

618
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:02,000
Speaker 7: time I met Terbal, you know, he came into this

619
00:28:02,040 --> 00:28:04,640
Speaker 7: little loungerry in a hotel and he's like this three

620
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 7: hundred pound massive figure and he was wearing a leather

621
00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:10,520
Speaker 7: jacket with tassels and he just kind of had that

622
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 7: menacing look on me. And the guy Gary Carolla, who

623
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,639
Speaker 7: was his music director, said to me, hey, don't don't

624
00:28:16,720 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 7: let Urbos see that you're scared or he's gonna try

625
00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 7: to get you. So he stepped up to me and

626
00:28:21,960 --> 00:28:26,879
Speaker 7: he goes, are you my next victim? And I said, no,

627
00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 7: you don't know who I am. You will probably be

628
00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 7: my next victim, you know. And he looked at me

629
00:28:32,160 --> 00:28:35,359
Speaker 7: and he goes, I like this, MF this guy's pretty cool.

630
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:38,480
Speaker 7: And from that point on we had a great relationship.

631
00:28:38,560 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 7: And then I got to travel. I mean we went

632
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 7: from everywhere from a lot, you know, Israel, to Lagos, Nigeria, Africa,

633
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 7: and I just saw the world and the fans and

634
00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:51,360
Speaker 7: the touring and experienced all that. So it was great

635
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 7: by the time we got to Backstreet Boys and then

636
00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:56,959
Speaker 7: you guys didn't sing that knowing all that market in

637
00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 7: Germany was the biggest market.

638
00:28:58,800 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

639
00:28:59,040 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 2: How did I mean? So you were introduced to like

640
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 2: the German market through Snap?

641
00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:03,240
Speaker 3: Yes?

642
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 2: And is that how you met Jon Boltz and all

643
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 2: of BMG Ariola.

644
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 7: No, Actually I met bernad Lingdinger from hand to hand,

645
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,440
Speaker 7: who was the promoter. So Berner promoted all the Snap shows,

646
00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 7: so we were connected there. Because Jive on the Backstreet

647
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 7: Boys for as single, it didn't work in the United States,

648
00:29:22,960 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 7: so I called Erner and I was like, look, and

649
00:29:25,320 --> 00:29:27,479
Speaker 7: boy bands were actually kind of big in Germany at

650
00:29:27,480 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 7: the time, so I said, I need to get these

651
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:33,080
Speaker 7: guys over there and show the label that they can

652
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,640
Speaker 7: actually work, even though it might not be any us,

653
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 7: otherwise they might get dropped. So there was this big

654
00:29:38,680 --> 00:29:41,280
Speaker 7: German band called boy band called Cottney Act and they

655
00:29:41,320 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 7: lip synced. So Vernon was like, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll

656
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:45,640
Speaker 7: put them on a couple of shows.

657
00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:46,520
Speaker 3: Talk to the manager.

658
00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,360
Speaker 7: The manager was like, yeah, I want these American boys

659
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,960
Speaker 7: on my show so we can show the German fans

660
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 7: that were superior over there. So Backstreet Boys show up

661
00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 7: and of course they wanted to run out on stage

662
00:29:57,800 --> 00:29:59,800
Speaker 7: and start dancing and high energy, and I said, no,

663
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 7: they lip sing. You guys sing for real, walk out

664
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,280
Speaker 7: on stage and sing shy.

665
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 3: If I ever exactly.

666
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:10,920
Speaker 7: So they did that and you watch fourteen thousand people

667
00:30:11,040 --> 00:30:14,920
Speaker 7: just miusdrop what and then from there go into your show.

668
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:18,360
Speaker 7: So we were on tour for about two weeks with them,

669
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 7: and we got kicked off because the manager we were

670
00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 7: starting to build and take their audience likes exactly.

671
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:26,720
Speaker 3: Yeah. So then DJ Bobo.

672
00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 7: Our first tour, Yeah, he came in and said I'll

673
00:30:31,400 --> 00:30:34,320
Speaker 7: take the guys, and the record started happening, and then

674
00:30:34,360 --> 00:30:36,560
Speaker 7: the rest of this kind of history. They blew up

675
00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:41,120
Speaker 7: in Germany and then you guys came over and it's

676
00:30:41,160 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 7: so interesting because there was no social media, but yet

677
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 7: the fans put themself in a place where that take

678
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:47,400
Speaker 7: a side.

679
00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 3: And you know, you.

680
00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:53,479
Speaker 7: Guys had the first two singles that instantly exploded, So

681
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,960
Speaker 7: there was this rivalry, but nobody really knew where it

682
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,720
Speaker 7: came from. And so to kind of squash that. That's

683
00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,280
Speaker 7: when Verna had Hand in Hand for Children, which was

684
00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 7: his charity, and we said, let's do a basketball game,

685
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:07,840
Speaker 7: and we were going to put all the hats because

686
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 7: all the musicians from Germany was starting to get into

687
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 7: basketball and they wanted to play. So our thought was, okay,

688
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 7: when the teams are picked, they'll be nicked, so half

689
00:31:16,440 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 7: of inn Sync will be on BSB and the other way.

690
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 3: Around, and one it's done. Did you work out that way?

691
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 3: It was four backs, three guys, four in stinc guysing.

692
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 3: I think you were on I.

693
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 2: Was on the back and a was also one of

694
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:32,560
Speaker 2: my favorite days ever because you know, at the beginning

695
00:31:32,560 --> 00:31:34,880
Speaker 2: of our career, we were the redhead of step child.

696
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:39,200
Speaker 2: You know, we were not the boys, and the way

697
00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:41,479
Speaker 2: that we were treated compared to how they were treated

698
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 2: night and day. So as a battery boy for the day,

699
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 2: it fell great. I'm like, oh my god, this is

700
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 2: what it's like to have attention.

701
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:50,480
Speaker 3: But yeah, it was.

702
00:31:50,520 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 2: It was great and that's what eventually led to our

703
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:55,800
Speaker 2: challenge for the children event that we would do, which

704
00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:58,880
Speaker 2: I loved that weekend. That was such a fun weekend

705
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:00,440
Speaker 2: for people that don't know that. We put on a

706
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:04,520
Speaker 2: basketball game, which I hate basketball, but we did it anyway.

707
00:32:04,600 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 2: And uh and we did other events too, like I

708
00:32:07,280 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 2: don't know, we would do some kind of like relay

709
00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 2: race stuff. I don't but we would take over Vegas

710
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:14,520
Speaker 2: or Miami and it was so great and just a

711
00:32:14,560 --> 00:32:16,760
Speaker 2: hodgepodge of celebrities.

712
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:22,440
Speaker 7: Sure, yeah, you know, Brian McKnight, everybody came to play.

713
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,080
Speaker 2: And a lot of athletes. This is one thing I

714
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,120
Speaker 2: I thought it was so interesting, was the athletes really

715
00:32:29,400 --> 00:32:29,840
Speaker 2: liked us.

716
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:34,160
Speaker 7: Well, if you remember correctly, for the in Sync team,

717
00:32:34,440 --> 00:32:36,560
Speaker 7: Kobe was the coach.

718
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,120
Speaker 2: Yes, right, yeah, you know, so that was interesting. He

719
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,280
Speaker 2: had Kobe as a coach that game on the team. No,

720
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:44,040
Speaker 2: that's right, that's right.

721
00:32:44,720 --> 00:32:49,120
Speaker 6: No, No, I don't.

722
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:50,720
Speaker 2: Think Backstreet ever played in our challenge.

723
00:32:50,840 --> 00:32:51,520
Speaker 6: No they didn't.

724
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,280
Speaker 7: But in the challenge for in the one in Germany,

725
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 7: the head referee was Dennis Rodman.

726
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 2: God, I don't even remember that. Wow, I run into

727
00:33:02,120 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 2: him a.

728
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 3: Good bit old radio.

729
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:10,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's a hard interview, but it's always interesting, really.

730
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:12,640
Speaker 3: Interesting.

731
00:33:12,680 --> 00:33:16,400
Speaker 7: So then you know, the Spice Girls Enhansoing oh exploded

732
00:33:16,800 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 7: on US radio, and so it was like, okay, guys,

733
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:21,040
Speaker 7: it's time to go home.

734
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 2: How did y'all know, Because of course Lou's telling us,

735
00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 2: you know, because we knew being the first out in America,

736
00:33:29,160 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 2: the only the first band out in America is going

737
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:32,880
Speaker 2: to win the rest, knowing like America is not going

738
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,640
Speaker 2: to accept too boy bands like Europe does. I mean

739
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:40,960
Speaker 2: Europe had five hundred. So Lou would always tell us, well,

740
00:33:41,000 --> 00:33:42,880
Speaker 2: you know, we're going to release you guys first. You

741
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:44,800
Speaker 2: know Backstreet got Europe first, Well you're going to have

742
00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 2: America first, Like yes, like we need this has to happen.

743
00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 2: This is the only way that we'll ever be able

744
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,920
Speaker 2: to catch the Backstree boys. That didn't happen, right, And

745
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,480
Speaker 2: I can only imagine what the Backshee Boys are thinking

746
00:33:57,680 --> 00:34:03,120
Speaker 2: during all of this, you know our rise who took

747
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 2: it the worst of the Backstreet Boys, Brian.

748
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 6: I was gonna say that, yeah.

749
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 7: And you know again, like you know, I'm not telling

750
00:34:15,440 --> 00:34:16,240
Speaker 7: stories of our stories.

751
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 3: But I think I had.

752
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 7: A lot to do with them being upset because they

753
00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:25,920
Speaker 7: felt it was a betrayal that I was now working

754
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 7: with both of you.

755
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:27,799
Speaker 3: The lieu of it.

756
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:30,839
Speaker 7: They didn't really think about it that much, and I'll

757
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:35,400
Speaker 7: tell the story. So with the Backstreet Boys, I used

758
00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 7: to tell the.

759
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 3: Story to Brian.

760
00:34:36,520 --> 00:34:39,160
Speaker 7: I said, when we was with New Kids, Donnie and

761
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,240
Speaker 7: I used to go in the back of the bus

762
00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:44,280
Speaker 7: and listen to Albie Shore and that was our bond.

763
00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 3: So I'm sitting in.

764
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 7: The back of the bus one time and Brian says,

765
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,359
Speaker 7: guess what, and I said what. He goes, I got

766
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,959
Speaker 7: Albe Shores straight. But I want to have that relationship

767
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,399
Speaker 7: with you. So we did that and that was our thing.

768
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,640
Speaker 7: So then when you guys came along, I think Brian

769
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 7: got it in his head that I was abandoning that

770
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 7: relationship with him and giving it to Justin. So I

771
00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:10,920
Speaker 7: think that was like, Okay, you know, he's forgotten about

772
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 7: me for the most part, but us, and he's more

773
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,160
Speaker 7: paying more attention to you guys and sink.

774
00:35:17,200 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 3: But as you.

775
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:22,120
Speaker 7: Remember, Doug Brown and Ibrahim were more out with you

776
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 7: guys at the early stages of that before you guys

777
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:28,080
Speaker 7: actually came into the US. So I think that he

778
00:35:28,160 --> 00:35:30,319
Speaker 7: was the one that kind of, you know, he just

779
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:32,799
Speaker 7: felt like, you know, we were just duplicating them and

780
00:35:32,880 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 7: it was all about a money play, and so it

781
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 7: really changed the focus of that relationship.

782
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,280
Speaker 2: And I always saw it as what I was hoping

783
00:35:40,719 --> 00:35:43,320
Speaker 2: was that you were creating this new motown in Orlando

784
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,799
Speaker 2: where all these artists could like work together and have

785
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 2: fun and you know, there's four other bands, you know,

786
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 2: but it did not turn out that way.

787
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:53,160
Speaker 3: Well, that was the idea that.

788
00:35:53,239 --> 00:35:55,920
Speaker 7: Lew and I talked about. But again, when Barry Gordy

789
00:35:56,080 --> 00:35:58,959
Speaker 7: had the Temptations and the Four Tops and everybody else,

790
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 7: he created a family environment. So he nourished the fact

791
00:36:03,120 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 7: that everybody should go even sing on other songs and

792
00:36:05,960 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 7: go on tours together. The Motown review is one of

793
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 7: the biggest ways to take a look at that. But

794
00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,799
Speaker 7: I think again not talking out of school because he's

795
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 7: not here, but for some reason Lou wanted a divide

796
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:17,800
Speaker 7: in you guys.

797
00:36:17,880 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that was a plan. So I always thought

798
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 2: it might be just an accident that he stumbled upon it,

799
00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 2: and know if it was like, Okay, I'm going to

800
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 2: make sure that the rivalry is there so the fans,

801
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:28,239
Speaker 2: you know.

802
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:31,160
Speaker 3: No, it wasn't. Again, I never had any conversation like that.

803
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:34,040
Speaker 7: The thing that we thought about though, was is that look,

804
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 7: N Sync is out there. Someone's going to sign him,

805
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 7: so we might as well sign them so we can

806
00:36:40,040 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 7: control how that rivalry would take place if there was

807
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:46,840
Speaker 7: to be one, so that you guys couldn't get ahead

808
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:51,799
Speaker 7: of them. We could kind of like move you at

809
00:36:51,800 --> 00:36:54,600
Speaker 7: the same time, but have them come up and then

810
00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:55,600
Speaker 7: when they were coming down.

811
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,239
Speaker 3: You would come up. So that was really what was discussed.

812
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,920
Speaker 7: Boys changed that, you know, when they were scheduled to

813
00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 7: do the Walt Disney World Music Special for for Disney

814
00:37:08,040 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 7: Channel and they had just finished doing the rolling Stone

815
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 7: thing came out and they were on a cover rolling Stone,

816
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 7: and their attitude at that point was just like, why

817
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:18,479
Speaker 7: are we doing Disney. You know, we're on a cover

818
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:21,279
Speaker 7: rolling Stone. We're in a different world right now, so

819
00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,760
Speaker 7: get us out of this show at Disney.

820
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:24,280
Speaker 3: Wow.

821
00:37:24,280 --> 00:37:26,080
Speaker 2: So they wanted out of it because they didn't want

822
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 2: that younger market.

823
00:37:27,280 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 7: They just they just felt like they were on a

824
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 7: different level at that point.

825
00:37:30,800 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 2: They always heard us because Brian had have surgery or something.

826
00:37:33,960 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 2: I think who told me. He's like, oh, yeah, Ron

827
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 2: had have surgery or something, or I don't or maybe

828
00:37:38,760 --> 00:37:40,240
Speaker 2: that was a Super Bowl I forget.

829
00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 3: I don't know.

830
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:42,799
Speaker 7: All the stories did have the surgery, and that did

831
00:37:42,840 --> 00:37:45,400
Speaker 7: shut them down for a while. But the real of

832
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,240
Speaker 7: it was is that with Entertainment Weekly and Rolling Stone

833
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:52,400
Speaker 7: and Billboard Magazine all doing big stories on the guys,

834
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,520
Speaker 7: they said, well, why are we doing Disney That's a

835
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 7: kids channel.

836
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:58,319
Speaker 2: Because all you wanted to do was be respected and

837
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 2: it looked like an adult And yeah the cover Rolling Stone,

838
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:05,400
Speaker 2: that's that's again like everyone just dreams of that moment.

839
00:38:05,440 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 2: So yeah, going back to Disney would feel like a

840
00:38:07,760 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 2: step back.

841
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:10,720
Speaker 7: And I had always said to them when they finally

842
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:13,600
Speaker 7: found out that we were managing both acts, that I

843
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 7: would never pit them and you guys together. So when

844
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 7: we had to pull them out of the Disney special,

845
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,560
Speaker 7: I never went to them and said, hey, I have

846
00:38:22,600 --> 00:38:25,440
Speaker 7: another band, because I promised esp I wouldn't do that.

847
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 7: It happened to be Elaine Chuck, who was working for

848
00:38:29,280 --> 00:38:32,880
Speaker 7: us at the time at RCA Records, who was friends

849
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 7: with the girl that was promoting the show, and she said,

850
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 7: we have a boy band that could fit right in

851
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:41,399
Speaker 7: for this situation. And so I was like, ah, God,

852
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:47,600
Speaker 7: it wasn't me. That's legal exactly, so obviously, so I'll

853
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,600
Speaker 7: never forget. On the rehearsal night before the actual shooting,

854
00:38:50,680 --> 00:38:52,840
Speaker 7: I came in and I won't mention your name, but

855
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 7: the lady that was in charge Disney, she looked at

856
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 7: me and she goes, what are you doing here? And

857
00:38:56,960 --> 00:38:59,839
Speaker 7: I said, well, this is my band too, and she goes, well,

858
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:01,359
Speaker 7: if I would have known that, I would have never

859
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 7: hired them.

860
00:39:01,840 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 3: They better be good. Whoa wow.

861
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 7: So we went out and we did the show, and

862
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:08,800
Speaker 7: obviously you know what happened.

863
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 3: Like you guys, I made it. It started it all for us.

864
00:39:10,920 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 3: I mean that thing.

865
00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:15,920
Speaker 2: We had no idea how big it would become because

866
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 2: of that special and they aired it every day for

867
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:21,600
Speaker 2: two months, so you really got to know. It was

868
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 2: just a concert, but there was personal interviews and you

869
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 2: got to know each individual guy. So when you watch

870
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:31,840
Speaker 2: that show, you're invested, and it was just the perfect timing.

871
00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:32,759
Speaker 2: I guess that was it.

872
00:39:32,840 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 7: And then you guys were in sixty six on the

873
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 7: charts and went to forty four to twenty four to twelve.

874
00:39:38,280 --> 00:39:41,359
Speaker 7: Actually boys were sitting at number four, and then you

875
00:39:41,440 --> 00:39:43,120
Speaker 7: jumped them and went number two.

876
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,360
Speaker 2: We never had that number one spot with that first album.

877
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 7: Well, you sold fifteen million copies, So yeah, I mean

878
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:54,160
Speaker 7: one a time.

879
00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 2: I mean looking at that era in music compared to

880
00:39:57,360 --> 00:40:01,200
Speaker 2: now so different. I don't know if it's because my age,

881
00:40:01,239 --> 00:40:03,800
Speaker 2: but I think it was the last great era of music,

882
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:08,200
Speaker 2: that late nineties, early two thousands, and especially in this business,

883
00:40:08,200 --> 00:40:13,240
Speaker 2: which is hellish at times. But now, the way you promote,

884
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 2: the way you release your music on all these different platforms,

885
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,919
Speaker 2: how do you navigate that today with your artists, because

886
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:23,520
Speaker 2: it's just not the whole You have to go to

887
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,080
Speaker 2: every single radio station and tour it for like two years.

888
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 2: To get your music played. You just basically release a

889
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:31,920
Speaker 2: press release on your Twitter. It's like and here it is.

890
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 7: Yeah, well that's even difficult because you know it's funny. Well,

891
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 7: first of all, you find out now that everyone feels

892
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 7: it's so easy to be a star, yea.

893
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 2: Everyone feels like everyone's got fifteen minutes exactly.

894
00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:46,960
Speaker 7: And the thing with dealing with new artists now is

895
00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:49,880
Speaker 7: if they get a million followers, they think they've made it,

896
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:53,719
Speaker 7: you know, and sunglass company or this one pays them

897
00:40:53,760 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 7: twenty five thirty thousand dollars to do a post, so

898
00:40:56,920 --> 00:41:00,399
Speaker 7: in their mind they've made it. But then you put

899
00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:02,560
Speaker 7: them in a House of Blues with a thousand seats

900
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:06,080
Speaker 7: and they sell seventy five tickets, you know, So that

901
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:09,720
Speaker 7: there's a disconnect between your social media following and really

902
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 7: people that engage.

903
00:41:11,120 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 3: I found that. Yeah in television too.

904
00:41:13,239 --> 00:41:16,359
Speaker 2: It's like all these TikTok stars and YouTube stars, they

905
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:19,600
Speaker 2: were giving them everyone deals and shows just because of

906
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 2: the following exactly, and none of them worked because it's

907
00:41:22,680 --> 00:41:26,080
Speaker 2: just they didn't know how to television.

908
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 4: It's actually a skill, like you I should actually be good.

909
00:41:28,560 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 4: I mean when they like hired, you know, like aggotiate

910
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,040
Speaker 4: against hert Chloe Kardashian to host X Factory exactly, it

911
00:41:34,080 --> 00:41:36,319
Speaker 4: was like, yeah, she's a big following, but what is

912
00:41:36,360 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 4: she doing hosting X Factor?

913
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 6: Like it doesn't didn't compute, And so yeah.

914
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:43,719
Speaker 7: There is a disconnect, and so that's where it's tough.

915
00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:46,840
Speaker 7: And unfortunately for me too, radio which was the big factor.

916
00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 7: To me, it was always the place of discovery. You

917
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 7: hear something on the radio and you go to a

918
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 7: record store to buy it. The DSPs the streaming service

919
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:57,439
Speaker 7: to me are the new record stores. But to get

920
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:00,239
Speaker 7: a record successfully moved into radio right now, the thing

921
00:42:00,239 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 7: they're going to ask is like, well, how many streams.

922
00:42:02,360 --> 00:42:02,919
Speaker 3: Are you doing?

923
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,400
Speaker 7: So it's like, so how do you get And for

924
00:42:06,440 --> 00:42:09,800
Speaker 7: the most part, if you're not streaming four million streams

925
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 7: a week on the kickoff of your record, you're not

926
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 7: getting on big stations and radio and it's going to

927
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,480
Speaker 7: be hard for you to build momentum. And so this

928
00:42:19,560 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 7: is the conversation you're having now with the social media

929
00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 7: kids that want to be in music, because like you

930
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 7: kind of have to take a step back and go

931
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,640
Speaker 7: to old school. So, yeah, now you have to go

932
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 7: from city to city, town to town. You have to

933
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 7: play three or four hundred seats if you can still

934
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,040
Speaker 7: sell them, because it doesn't matter you have three or

935
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:39,000
Speaker 7: four five million. You still have to get those kids

936
00:42:39,000 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 7: that want to take money out. And I did one

937
00:42:41,080 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 7: of these team tours with social media kids. And the

938
00:42:43,440 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 7: interesting thing was I sold a whole lot of VIP

939
00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,359
Speaker 7: upgrades where they got to meet the group and they

940
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 7: would go in and take the picture, but wouldn't stay

941
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 7: for the show. So their real interest was just being

942
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,359
Speaker 7: able to take a picture so they could put it

943
00:42:58,400 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 7: on their Instagram, so to build their own numbers. So

944
00:43:02,880 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 7: that's where we are in the social media thing. Everybody

945
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 7: wants that edge to be their own successful stat That's

946
00:43:09,760 --> 00:43:11,120
Speaker 7: why TikTok it's so big.

947
00:43:11,200 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, how important is radio now because a

948
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 2: lot of songs, you know, so don't TikTok, they blow

949
00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,680
Speaker 2: up and then they hit the radio. But how, yeah,

950
00:43:19,719 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 2: how powerful is radio these days?

951
00:43:21,680 --> 00:43:25,000
Speaker 7: Well that's a debate between everybody. But for me, radio

952
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:27,720
Speaker 7: is still a justifier that you're not just a social

953
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,479
Speaker 7: media artist, that you're an actual artist. And if you again,

954
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 7: if this means anything to you, if you take a

955
00:43:33,360 --> 00:43:36,440
Speaker 7: look at the big shows American Music Awards or the Grammys,

956
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,799
Speaker 7: there are hardly anybody on those stages performing that didn't have.

957
00:43:40,800 --> 00:43:42,439
Speaker 3: A big radio hit that year.

958
00:43:43,160 --> 00:43:46,320
Speaker 7: So for me, there's still a justification that radio certifies

959
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 7: the fact that you're a real artist. So I again,

960
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 7: I still believe that that's an important factor.

961
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 3: To what we need to do.

962
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,799
Speaker 2: What's an artist right now that's just doing it right

963
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 2: like a new tailor swift I mean, you know, it's

964
00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 2: hard to be superstars these days because there, you know,

965
00:44:05,080 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 2: it's definitely water down. You do, you will always have

966
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:13,320
Speaker 2: people like Taylor swift Man, and I really want to

967
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 2: see her tour. I feel like I'm the only person

968
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:16,320
Speaker 2: that's not seeing.

969
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:18,040
Speaker 6: The tour, both of those tours.

970
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 7: Yeah, but she's one of the artists that started off

971
00:44:20,760 --> 00:44:24,759
Speaker 7: where radio and MTV were important, but understood the transition

972
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 7: to social media and how that works and staying engaged

973
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:32,759
Speaker 7: with your fans and you know, so she tells great

974
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 7: stories because her life creates these moments where people want

975
00:44:36,880 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 7: to find out, Hey, what happened in that relationship, what

976
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,080
Speaker 7: happened in this And she does a great job of

977
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:46,239
Speaker 7: telling that. But she also stays connected. And I think

978
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 7: that's the thing nowadays, and for any artists that are

979
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 7: coming back from the era of MTV and radio, you

980
00:44:52,440 --> 00:44:54,520
Speaker 7: have to look at that and you say, look, you

981
00:44:54,560 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 7: know the things you might not have done then you

982
00:44:57,160 --> 00:45:00,840
Speaker 7: have to think about doing now. And social media is

983
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:02,799
Speaker 7: super important. I don't think everyone has to get on

984
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,840
Speaker 7: TikTok and dance, but how do you use that platform

985
00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:08,440
Speaker 7: and find something creative to do that cuts through and

986
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 7: it's unique to what you're doing.

987
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.

988
00:45:11,040 --> 00:45:12,960
Speaker 2: I love TikTok be as it really is kind of

989
00:45:13,160 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 2: so intimate with the fans, and you really get to

990
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,839
Speaker 2: show your personality of any social media platform that one.

991
00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 2: It really shows who you truly are. Let's talk about

992
00:45:23,200 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 2: some of your acts. Is I want to know how

993
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:28,000
Speaker 2: you met the Jonas brothers because I remember meeting them

994
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 2: in your office when they were two years old, just

995
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:36,160
Speaker 2: like very young. But how did the Jonah's brothers.

996
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,839
Speaker 7: So at the time, I had an assistant, Philly Mack

997
00:45:39,120 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 7: from mcntire, and he knew that I wanted to get

998
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 7: into contemporary Christian and gospel music. So Nick Jonas was

999
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:48,880
Speaker 7: signed to a label called Word, which was a sony

1000
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:49,799
Speaker 7: music label.

1001
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:51,000
Speaker 2: The Purity Ring days.

1002
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1003
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:55,600
Speaker 7: Well yeah, so they were doing he was doing Christian music.

1004
00:45:55,800 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 7: So he had to perform or do a show CBS

1005
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 7: Morning show at five thirty in the morning. So it

1006
00:46:00,040 --> 00:46:02,120
Speaker 7: feels like, yeah, you should go see him. You know,

1007
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,080
Speaker 7: maybe this is someone that you can manage I was

1008
00:46:04,120 --> 00:46:06,480
Speaker 7: like five thirty, no morning, really, but I went and

1009
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,800
Speaker 7: I did it. And when I saw him, his brothers

1010
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:17,640
Speaker 7: were his backup band. So Steve, Steve who had Hanson Greenberg,

1011
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:21,240
Speaker 7: took over Columbia Records and he called me and he said, Johnny,

1012
00:46:21,280 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 7: I have this kid, Nick jonas Christian kiddy goes. Is

1013
00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:26,680
Speaker 7: there any reason why I should keep him on the label?

1014
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:28,840
Speaker 7: And I said, well, if you're going to drop that

1015
00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:32,760
Speaker 7: whole Christian thing, you should see him because he performs

1016
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 7: with his brothers and if he wants to actually turn

1017
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:37,120
Speaker 7: this thing into a group, this could be the second

1018
00:46:37,120 --> 00:46:39,560
Speaker 7: coming of Hanson here. So we went and we had

1019
00:46:39,600 --> 00:46:42,799
Speaker 7: a conversation with Nick and the father and they were like, yeah,

1020
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:44,839
Speaker 7: we do it. And the caveat Nick was is that

1021
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 7: at some point, if this is successful, I get to

1022
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:47,640
Speaker 7: go solo again.

1023
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:48,399
Speaker 3: So we all.

1024
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:52,680
Speaker 7: Agreed and they got signed and you know, Steve got

1025
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,799
Speaker 7: blown out unfortunately, and so the band sat there for

1026
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:58,839
Speaker 7: a while and then I went in and I said, look,

1027
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,080
Speaker 7: you got to let these guys go. We we left

1028
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 7: and we went to Hollywood Records with the synergy to

1029
00:47:04,880 --> 00:47:08,000
Speaker 7: everything that Disney had happening, and they ended up getting

1030
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:16,640
Speaker 7: guest spots on not Miley Cyrus's show. Yeah, so that

1031
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,480
Speaker 7: kind of launched them into that world, and then they

1032
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 7: ended up doing some dates with Taylor and the RECTI

1033
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 7: became history. But I met them, you know, when Nick

1034
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,840
Speaker 7: was trying to do a solo thing in a Christian world.

1035
00:47:29,000 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's I mean there. I love their

1036
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:35,640
Speaker 2: latest comeback, I mean it really it's been great. They

1037
00:47:35,760 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 2: know exactly how to do the social media. They still

1038
00:47:38,280 --> 00:47:43,000
Speaker 2: make it look authentic and cool. It's they still seem

1039
00:47:43,200 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 2: like a young band, although they're not much younger than us.

1040
00:47:47,360 --> 00:47:50,280
Speaker 3: Five albums. Yeah, but I mean.

1041
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,120
Speaker 2: They really have surpassed the test of time and they're

1042
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,080
Speaker 2: usually I think of all and gets great. So hopefully

1043
00:47:56,080 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 2: we'll have those guys on this show at some point.

1044
00:48:15,040 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 2: Tell us a little bit about Aaron Carter. How did

1045
00:48:18,160 --> 00:48:22,200
Speaker 2: y'ard meet because he must have been seven when you guys, he.

1046
00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 3: Was nine when I met him.

1047
00:48:24,239 --> 00:48:28,760
Speaker 7: And Lou had a party for aj which is his birthday,

1048
00:48:28,760 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 7: at his house and the doorbell rang and I happened

1049
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:33,400
Speaker 7: to be standing in the doorbell, so I opened the

1050
00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 7: door and Jane and Aaron are standing there, and Aaron

1051
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,440
Speaker 7: was in a three piece suit, this little nine year

1052
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:40,680
Speaker 7: old all dressed up, and I was like, who's this

1053
00:48:40,680 --> 00:48:43,239
Speaker 7: cool kid? And he goes, Hi, I'm Aaron. And so

1054
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 7: if you remember loose his old house, you walked straight

1055
00:48:46,400 --> 00:48:48,880
Speaker 7: through the front door and through the formal straight to

1056
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:49,320
Speaker 7: the pool.

1057
00:48:50,000 --> 00:48:51,439
Speaker 3: So I watched him.

1058
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:54,239
Speaker 7: He walked through, he went to the pool and jumped in,

1059
00:48:55,160 --> 00:48:58,080
Speaker 7: and when he did that, I was like, I like

1060
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:01,240
Speaker 7: this kid, he's cool. So Back the Street was scheduled

1061
00:49:01,239 --> 00:49:03,719
Speaker 7: to play Germany all summer, and I knew what the

1062
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:07,680
Speaker 7: relationship between Nick and Aaron was, and Aaron was kind

1063
00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 7: of upset because he wasn't going to see Nick for

1064
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 7: the summer. So I went to Gary Corolla, one of

1065
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 7: my producers, and I said, can Aaron sing? And he goes,

1066
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 7: I don't know, Let's test him. So he did some

1067
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 7: test on him. He said, kids got a pretty good voice.

1068
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 3: He goes, what are you thinking?

1069
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 7: And I said, I always want to recreate this song

1070
00:49:22,760 --> 00:49:25,480
Speaker 7: by the Jets call Crush on You. I said, so

1071
00:49:25,880 --> 00:49:28,439
Speaker 7: cut this record and see what we get. So they did,

1072
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,240
Speaker 7: and I was amazed by it. So I said to Jane,

1073
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,600
Speaker 7: let me go and talk. Because at that time Werner

1074
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:36,320
Speaker 7: was the producer promoter in Germany. I called Verner and

1075
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 7: I said, look, I need you to let Aaron open

1076
00:49:38,760 --> 00:49:41,600
Speaker 7: up for Backstreet Boys, so Nick and Aaron can spend

1077
00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:44,040
Speaker 7: the summer together. He said, I don't have any money,

1078
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:45,680
Speaker 7: but if you want to bring him out, so be it.

1079
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:46,239
Speaker 3: So we did.

1080
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 7: Aaron put two twin brothers behind him as the dancers,

1081
00:49:50,520 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 7: and the first shows, with three shows, sold out nights

1082
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:57,200
Speaker 7: in Berlin. The first show we introduced Aaron, sixteen thousand

1083
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 7: people lost their mind, and they did that the next

1084
00:50:00,440 --> 00:50:02,479
Speaker 7: three nights, and all of a sudden, we got four

1085
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:05,759
Speaker 7: record offers for him, and we ended up signing him

1086
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:08,200
Speaker 7: to a company in Germany called Edel, and they sold

1087
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 7: a million and a half records in twenty weeks.

1088
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I remember I don't know if I don't

1089
00:50:12,400 --> 00:50:13,759
Speaker 2: know if I was talking to you or someone, but

1090
00:50:13,840 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 2: I just remember Aaron saying the only reason he got

1091
00:50:17,040 --> 00:50:20,000
Speaker 2: into music was because he liked the stuffed animals.

1092
00:50:20,000 --> 00:50:22,839
Speaker 3: Like he just woll the stuffed animals. Yeah, yeah, that's

1093
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 3: all the stages.

1094
00:50:25,160 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 2: Yeah what is that?

1095
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:27,080
Speaker 3: Okay?

1096
00:50:27,080 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 2: So Germany is the only country that I remember they

1097
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:34,160
Speaker 2: just throw tons of stuffed animals at your whole show.

1098
00:50:34,200 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 2: By the end of the show, there's hundreds of stuffed animals,

1099
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:40,239
Speaker 2: which can get dangerous, by the way, but no other

1100
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 2: country did that. Germany has ye that.

1101
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 7: But and when we had the Jonas Brothers in Russia,

1102
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 7: I don't know where they got this from, but there's

1103
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,320
Speaker 7: a lyric in one of their songs that talk about planes,

1104
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 7: and all of a sudden, when they started doing this song,

1105
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:58,720
Speaker 7: hundreds of people at paper airplanes started flying on stage.

1106
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:01,759
Speaker 3: That's kind of crazy. I love that.

1107
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 2: Why didn't we ever go to Australia? That was one

1108
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:07,040
Speaker 2: place we'd never really touched, and I know our albument

1109
00:51:07,120 --> 00:51:09,800
Speaker 2: number one there, but we just never went.

1110
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:13,480
Speaker 7: Over The money was too good in the cost for

1111
00:51:13,600 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 7: us to actually bring the all the stage equipment to

1112
00:51:17,080 --> 00:51:19,360
Speaker 7: Australia was huge, so when we took a look at

1113
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:22,320
Speaker 7: it from a business perspective, we just didn't do it.

1114
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:24,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, once we came to America, we it's like we

1115
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:28,080
Speaker 2: never left the country. It's such a big territory that

1116
00:51:28,160 --> 00:51:30,279
Speaker 2: you're caught. And again, back in the day you had

1117
00:51:30,320 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 2: to go to every radio station, you had to you know,

1118
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,480
Speaker 2: every little city you were there. So yeah, twenty four

1119
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,640
Speaker 2: to seven, you're just traveling and it took you, and

1120
00:51:37,680 --> 00:51:39,200
Speaker 2: then by the time you do everything, you have to

1121
00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:40,880
Speaker 2: do it all over again because you have a new

1122
00:51:40,920 --> 00:51:41,760
Speaker 2: album to promote.

1123
00:51:41,920 --> 00:51:45,440
Speaker 7: And it moved so quickly from doing arenas, then we

1124
00:51:45,480 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 7: stepped up and we did the stadiums.

1125
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,680
Speaker 2: And one thing I love about your management style is

1126
00:51:51,719 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 2: you're so creative. And it was so fun too when

1127
00:51:56,000 --> 00:51:58,399
Speaker 2: we just got in your office, like, okay, new tour,

1128
00:51:58,800 --> 00:52:00,319
Speaker 2: what's going to go on? Okay, what's song as we

1129
00:52:00,320 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 2: want to play?

1130
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 3: What can we do?

1131
00:52:01,200 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 2: And just everyone's spinning out all these ideas, and especially

1132
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 2: when we got to the stadium tour, you know, all

1133
00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:09,960
Speaker 2: the bells and whistles, which, if I hindsight, I'm like,

1134
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:11,000
Speaker 2: why don't we spend that much on that?

1135
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:12,080
Speaker 3: I said that to you.

1136
00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:16,680
Speaker 7: Thousands a piece for these mechanical bulls. You really want

1137
00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:17,080
Speaker 7: to do that?

1138
00:52:17,160 --> 00:52:17,720
Speaker 3: I know it's.

1139
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:24,799
Speaker 2: I donated it to a bar in Texas in the

1140
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:28,640
Speaker 2: hard rock Oh yeah, we saw his ye in storage

1141
00:52:28,640 --> 00:52:32,400
Speaker 2: and storage, but yeah, it was you know, we were

1142
00:52:32,440 --> 00:52:34,839
Speaker 2: stupid kids, but we also thought. You know, when you're

1143
00:52:35,160 --> 00:52:37,399
Speaker 2: when you're that big, you never think it's going to end,

1144
00:52:37,640 --> 00:52:39,200
Speaker 2: like you never You're just like, well, of course we're

1145
00:52:39,200 --> 00:52:42,239
Speaker 2: gonna have five of these tours, right, so fine not

1146
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:44,400
Speaker 2: knowing that. Okay, things could be a little finite.

1147
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 7: Uh but but you gave every bell and whistle for

1148
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 7: that tour and it was fun from the big wheels

1149
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:53,440
Speaker 7: to the you know, the the walkways that moved and

1150
00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 7: stuff like that. Everyone goes back and watch that show.

1151
00:52:55,680 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 3: It's epic.

1152
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:59,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, and you know, we grew up on Janet and

1153
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:04,000
Speaker 2: Michael Madonna, like those are the shows that we idolized,

1154
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 2: and we wanted to give the fans that because when

1155
00:53:05,920 --> 00:53:08,520
Speaker 2: I go to a show, you better entertain me. Like

1156
00:53:08,560 --> 00:53:10,879
Speaker 2: I kind of get bored at show sometimes, but I

1157
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:16,240
Speaker 2: need a Broadway like style show to keep me entertained.

1158
00:53:16,280 --> 00:53:18,640
Speaker 2: So yeah, we that's what we wanted to give you.

1159
00:53:19,040 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 2: And I think we did. You did, I think we did.

1160
00:53:21,520 --> 00:53:23,879
Speaker 2: I love that I hadn't even stuck to one question.

1161
00:53:24,520 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 6: Still a question number one interview.

1162
00:53:28,160 --> 00:53:32,320
Speaker 2: So for people that don't know, what are the responsibilities

1163
00:53:32,360 --> 00:53:34,480
Speaker 2: and role of a manager of the band, Like what

1164
00:53:34,520 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 2: does your day to day look like?

1165
00:53:37,120 --> 00:53:37,680
Speaker 3: It depends.

1166
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:41,239
Speaker 7: It's different for every artist, But I say, I'm like

1167
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,320
Speaker 7: a traffic cop, so I direct traffic around the band

1168
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:47,360
Speaker 7: or artists, and it could be you know, there was

1169
00:53:47,400 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 7: an artist that didn't get as grass cut or a

1170
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,200
Speaker 7: car washed unless I scheduled that and made sure that

1171
00:53:53,280 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 7: people did it. Obviously, we talked to the record companies

1172
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:59,080
Speaker 7: and make sure that we have an understanding of what

1173
00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 7: the release dates are, the marketing, who's going to shoot

1174
00:54:01,520 --> 00:54:04,120
Speaker 7: the video, what the cost of those videos are. Come

1175
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 7: back at your creative ideas and in fight with the

1176
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,600
Speaker 7: label necessary on your behalf to make sure certain things

1177
00:54:10,600 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 7: are done. Once the records are done and we're ready

1178
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 7: to put them out, then it's the conversations with radio

1179
00:54:15,719 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 7: to make sure that we can get the spins and

1180
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,160
Speaker 7: back then in your time MTV to figure out the

1181
00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,279
Speaker 7: ultimate goal was the MTV Music Awards. To make sure

1182
00:54:23,320 --> 00:54:25,960
Speaker 7: that we're pushing those videos so that you guys can

1183
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 7: be nominated and have an opportunity find sponsors to help

1184
00:54:31,080 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 7: pay for a lot of these things that we're doing.

1185
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 3: Especially Yeah, you know.

1186
00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,200
Speaker 7: Some of the ideas for the videos that like, you know,

1187
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:43,120
Speaker 7: what was it, uh, which would the car one with

1188
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,080
Speaker 7: the train bye bye bye bye bye bye. You know,

1189
00:54:46,160 --> 00:54:48,720
Speaker 7: people don't realize that was two point seven million dollars

1190
00:54:48,800 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 7: and people.

1191
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 2: Would I mean, it's insane, Like the average will be

1192
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 2: like a million dollars a video. Yeah, I mean, and

1193
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 2: again I'll look back like because that we paid for.

1194
00:54:57,600 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 3: That, Yeah, exactly.

1195
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 2: That's when we learned the word rep recovable. Yeah, tell

1196
00:55:01,320 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 2: me while know what that meant? Negotiating Because you're such

1197
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:09,640
Speaker 2: a calm person, do you ever get upset and yell?

1198
00:55:11,239 --> 00:55:13,280
Speaker 7: I think if you push the right button, I will.

1199
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:16,359
Speaker 7: But back in the Snap days, I was that way

1200
00:55:16,400 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 7: because Turbo was that way, so.

1201
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:18,919
Speaker 3: I mimicked him.

1202
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:20,680
Speaker 7: So every time I did business for him, I was

1203
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,600
Speaker 7: the screamer, and I'll never forget. We agreed to do

1204
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,000
Speaker 7: a radio show in New York and I wasn't thinking

1205
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 7: about the fact that if I do that radio station,

1206
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 7: then I'm gonna, you know, get another radio station.

1207
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:32,280
Speaker 3: Mad.

1208
00:55:33,160 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 7: So the radio person from Arista Records called me and

1209
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:39,439
Speaker 7: he goes, how dare you you know? Book that show

1210
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:41,560
Speaker 7: with out talking to me? And he started.

1211
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:42,560
Speaker 3: Screaming at me.

1212
00:55:43,480 --> 00:55:45,000
Speaker 7: And when I hung up the phone, I was like,

1213
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 7: I didn't like that, and so I was like, you

1214
00:55:47,640 --> 00:55:49,960
Speaker 7: know what, that's what I do to other people. And

1215
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 7: so at that moment, I said, I'm just gonna find

1216
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:55,120
Speaker 7: a different way to talk to people. And I did,

1217
00:55:55,160 --> 00:55:57,640
Speaker 7: and That's what it became because it came back at me,

1218
00:55:58,280 --> 00:56:00,719
Speaker 7: you know, And when he did that to me, I

1219
00:56:00,719 --> 00:56:02,600
Speaker 7: didn't care. I still went ahead and did the show.

1220
00:56:02,680 --> 00:56:05,160
Speaker 7: So his screaming at me didn't change.

1221
00:56:05,840 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 3: If he had.

1222
00:56:06,360 --> 00:56:09,080
Speaker 7: Talked to me, we would have done something different, you know,

1223
00:56:09,280 --> 00:56:11,480
Speaker 7: be that easy.

1224
00:56:11,520 --> 00:56:13,600
Speaker 2: This is a story. I don't know. The vevel Rope

1225
00:56:13,600 --> 00:56:16,680
Speaker 2: tour with Janet Jackson was our first tour to open

1226
00:56:16,760 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 2: up for in America before the Disney special thing. Yeah,

1227
00:56:19,680 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 2: or somewhere right right around. And I think it was

1228
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 2: Usher that had to leave the tour and we replaced.

1229
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 2: How did that all go down?

1230
00:56:27,360 --> 00:56:27,400
Speaker 4: Like?

1231
00:56:27,440 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 2: How did we get that offer?

1232
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 3: She was she had ten days?

1233
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:34,799
Speaker 7: That option couldn't do it actually came from David's Edica,

1234
00:56:35,040 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 7: who was our agent, you know. And one thing I

1235
00:56:37,640 --> 00:56:40,960
Speaker 7: love about David, you know, as you know, some agents

1236
00:56:41,040 --> 00:56:42,920
Speaker 7: just say here's an you know, do you want to

1237
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 7: do it? This is what the money is, let me

1238
00:56:45,080 --> 00:56:49,040
Speaker 7: connect my commission. David was always a thinker with us,

1239
00:56:49,080 --> 00:56:51,600
Speaker 7: like what can we do to enhance this anetio? So

1240
00:56:51,640 --> 00:56:53,720
Speaker 7: he said hey, and it was kind of a joke.

1241
00:56:53,840 --> 00:56:56,440
Speaker 7: He was like, yeah, Janet needs someone for ten days,

1242
00:56:56,800 --> 00:56:58,919
Speaker 7: you know, well and sink do it and we kind

1243
00:56:58,920 --> 00:57:02,320
Speaker 7: of laughed and anyway, We're like, Janet, it has a

1244
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 7: whole different audience. And this was you know, for me,

1245
00:57:04,880 --> 00:57:07,720
Speaker 7: I was always trying to find ways to really elevate

1246
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 7: you guys in different audiences, to make sure that.

1247
00:57:11,280 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 3: What you guys were were real.

1248
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:17,520
Speaker 7: So the discussion started with MTV about you guys doing

1249
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,680
Speaker 7: that's the way love goes for the award.

1250
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 3: Things that she said.

1251
00:57:21,000 --> 00:57:22,640
Speaker 7: So I was like, yeah, two and two will work,

1252
00:57:22,720 --> 00:57:24,720
Speaker 7: so we'll end up doing these ten dates. Then when

1253
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:28,360
Speaker 7: you guys actually do that, that moment for her for icons,

1254
00:57:28,400 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 7: I think, you know, I said, it all connects together

1255
00:57:32,160 --> 00:57:34,120
Speaker 7: and it was a beautiful thing. And the interesting thing

1256
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 7: was that the merchandisers told us that you sold more

1257
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 7: merch on her tour than she did.

1258
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:41,320
Speaker 3: Really yeah wow.

1259
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,800
Speaker 7: So that was when we were and as you talk

1260
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:49,960
Speaker 7: about the gatekeepers and the cred people in the industry,

1261
00:57:50,320 --> 00:57:52,840
Speaker 7: guys got a lot of credibility, not only for doing

1262
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 7: that tour, because people were showing up, you know, the

1263
00:57:55,480 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 7: hip hop and R and B community for those shows

1264
00:57:58,200 --> 00:58:01,320
Speaker 7: and seeing you and going like wow, really good.

1265
00:58:01,360 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 2: Janet made us cool. Yeah. I just remember meeting her

1266
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 2: for the first time, and she knew our names, and

1267
00:58:06,120 --> 00:58:09,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, what, Like Janet Jackson knows our names

1268
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 2: like I know the group, like individually knows our names

1269
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 2: just such. And it was such a good learning experience

1270
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:17,640
Speaker 2: for me because we had been on tours before, but

1271
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:21,320
Speaker 2: nothing like that, and just to see how all that worked.

1272
00:58:21,400 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 2: I was so intrigued, and I watched every single show.

1273
00:58:24,400 --> 00:58:27,240
Speaker 2: After we'd get off stage, I'd go right to the audience.

1274
00:58:27,280 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 2: I would watch every single show. I was just fascinated

1275
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:33,600
Speaker 2: with the way that she performed and the stage that

1276
00:58:33,640 --> 00:58:35,840
Speaker 2: she would build, and that would eventually be how we

1277
00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:37,080
Speaker 2: would put on a show.

1278
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:40,120
Speaker 3: So yeah, she was a huge, huge today.

1279
00:58:40,320 --> 00:58:44,440
Speaker 7: That connection with her is what Michael saw, which then

1280
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:48,760
Speaker 7: wanted him you guys, yeah to do the thirtieth anniversary special.

1281
00:58:48,880 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, what what a show that thirdy. I mean, definitely

1282
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 2: one of the highlights of my life was being there,

1283
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:58,040
Speaker 2: And unfortunately it was the week of nine to eleven,

1284
00:58:58,080 --> 00:58:59,960
Speaker 2: so it was just it just kind of got a race.

1285
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:04,720
Speaker 2: But that show, I've never seen so many artists come

1286
00:59:04,760 --> 00:59:07,280
Speaker 2: together and I didn't even know half the people that

1287
00:59:07,320 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 2: were going to be there. That was when you know,

1288
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 2: Whitney wasn't looking great. I mean that's you know, she

1289
00:59:11,160 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 2: was real skinny. I remember, also, who's the actor that

1290
00:59:13,520 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 2: sat in the chair and just yelled at everyone. I

1291
00:59:16,560 --> 00:59:21,960
Speaker 2: don't remember that, Marlon Brando, So I think it's just

1292
00:59:22,200 --> 00:59:24,360
Speaker 2: he had kind of snapped at that point and he

1293
00:59:24,440 --> 00:59:26,440
Speaker 2: was just sitting in a chair and just started like

1294
00:59:26,520 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 2: yelling at the crowd, like because they were too loud

1295
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 2: or so.

1296
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 3: I don't know, it was. It was weird.

1297
00:59:30,800 --> 00:59:33,640
Speaker 2: A lot of weird moments there. Brittany doing that.

1298
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 6: Just iconic.

1299
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:40,520
Speaker 2: And we did not know that Michael was going to perform,

1300
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 2: like we were just all performing for him. And then

1301
00:59:43,120 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 2: he does a show and I've never seen him live before,

1302
00:59:46,760 --> 00:59:49,280
Speaker 2: and now I get why people cry. It's just the

1303
00:59:49,320 --> 00:59:52,360
Speaker 2: weirdest thing. Like I got goosebumps and I teared up

1304
00:59:52,440 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 2: watching him perform, and I don't know why, but now

1305
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:56,200
Speaker 2: I got it.

1306
00:59:56,480 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 3: I got it. It was what a time, What a time.

1307
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 2: I do feel there's a lot of lessons that I

1308
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:06,080
Speaker 2: think all of us in the entertainment industry has learned

1309
01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:09,400
Speaker 2: from people like Michael Jackson, mc Hammer, people that you

1310
01:00:09,440 --> 01:00:10,760
Speaker 2: know gone through it. And I always call it the

1311
01:00:10,800 --> 01:00:14,920
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson syndrome, for like kids where they don't mentally

1312
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:17,680
Speaker 2: get past a certain age because everyone is basically telling

1313
01:00:17,720 --> 01:00:19,720
Speaker 2: them yes, yes, yes, yes yes yes yes yes, and

1314
01:00:19,760 --> 01:00:23,880
Speaker 2: they have no reality anymore. Are there any artists that

1315
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 2: you've worked with that you also found that there's just

1316
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:29,760
Speaker 2: too many yeses around them and they just didn't know

1317
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 2: what reality was because I'd imagine Brittany was kind of

1318
01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:34,000
Speaker 2: like that way too, because I don't think anyone was

1319
01:00:34,040 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 2: going to tell her no, especially her family.

1320
01:00:37,520 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, with Britney, it was interesting because she didn't dictate

1321
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 7: a lot of stuff.

1322
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 3: She listened.

1323
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,480
Speaker 7: She loved a lot of creative people that were around her,

1324
01:00:45,520 --> 01:00:48,080
Speaker 7: and they bounced ideas back and forth.

1325
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:50,280
Speaker 3: You know.

1326
01:00:50,360 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 7: I think it was the dream within the dream tour,

1327
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:57,440
Speaker 7: which is where Brittany started to change a little bit

1328
01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:00,080
Speaker 7: about who she listened to and who she tried. I

1329
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 7: think became a trust factor.

1330
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 3: I think that was where.

1331
01:01:02,920 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 7: Britney started to think about, oh, am I just a product.

1332
01:01:06,560 --> 01:01:09,240
Speaker 7: Is everybody around me now just because they can get

1333
01:01:09,280 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 7: a paycheck for me?

1334
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:12,480
Speaker 3: And are they not really into me?

1335
01:01:12,680 --> 01:01:12,920
Speaker 4: For me?

1336
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:14,680
Speaker 3: And I think that.

1337
01:01:14,600 --> 01:01:17,840
Speaker 7: Insecurity probably happens with a lot of artists, you know,

1338
01:01:17,880 --> 01:01:21,640
Speaker 7: and so you do things in a different way or

1339
01:01:21,720 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 7: you confide in certain people that might not have your

1340
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:27,600
Speaker 7: best interest in heart, who you really think, you know,

1341
01:01:28,040 --> 01:01:30,880
Speaker 7: they got my back, and when you really find out

1342
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:32,920
Speaker 7: it's the circle of people that have been around you

1343
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:35,680
Speaker 7: forever they really have your back, and it's those that

1344
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:38,000
Speaker 7: just came into the circle that are trying to find

1345
01:01:38,080 --> 01:01:40,840
Speaker 7: how they're going to use you for their next step up.

1346
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 7: The last time I saw I don't even remember the date,

1347
01:01:44,880 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 7: but it was the first time that the Jonas brothers

1348
01:01:47,640 --> 01:01:49,800
Speaker 7: actually went to the MTV Music Awards and.

1349
01:01:49,720 --> 01:01:50,880
Speaker 3: They were liked Johnny.

1350
01:01:51,000 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 7: You know, Brittany sitting over there and she was dating

1351
01:01:54,560 --> 01:01:56,560
Speaker 7: the guy that was an agent at that point.

1352
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah.

1353
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:00,520
Speaker 3: So I was like, oh, introduce you.

1354
01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:03,920
Speaker 7: So I get them up to go walk over to her,

1355
01:02:04,320 --> 01:02:06,840
Speaker 7: and all of a sudden security which wasn't the security

1356
01:02:06,880 --> 01:02:09,120
Speaker 7: that I put around her, kind of circle of her.

1357
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:11,880
Speaker 7: And then she looks at me and she goes Johnny,

1358
01:02:12,040 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 7: and so I said, I just want to introduce you

1359
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:15,680
Speaker 7: to these guys their fans, and so she did.

1360
01:02:15,960 --> 01:02:17,640
Speaker 3: We hugged, and that was kind of it.

1361
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:22,200
Speaker 2: You know, so well, we wish her well, for sure,

1362
01:02:22,240 --> 01:02:25,760
Speaker 2: I know we uh, she has reached out through her

1363
01:02:25,800 --> 01:02:27,959
Speaker 2: people wanting to come meet the kids and all.

1364
01:02:27,880 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 4: That, you know, but like then it just but then

1365
01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 4: the people then come follow through and refused to put

1366
01:02:34,600 --> 01:02:35,320
Speaker 4: you in contact.

1367
01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, I talk through people. It's very strange. We

1368
01:02:40,000 --> 01:02:40,640
Speaker 2: know we're cousins.

1369
01:02:40,800 --> 01:02:41,160
Speaker 3: I told you.

1370
01:02:41,240 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 2: I found out we're cousins.

1371
01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 1: Really, yeah, we have fifth six cousins we share. We

1372
01:02:47,680 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 1: share a great great great great great great grandfather bass.

1373
01:02:51,320 --> 01:02:54,280
Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah, so she is a bass which makes

1374
01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 1: sense because we were born about forty five minutes from

1375
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:58,960
Speaker 1: each other. So everyone's related down in Mississippi.

1376
01:02:59,440 --> 01:03:01,600
Speaker 7: Well, I wish are nothing but the best I know.

1377
01:03:01,680 --> 01:03:04,080
Speaker 7: There's all these rumors now that she's never gonna tour again.

1378
01:03:04,120 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 4: I know the rumors are just crazy at this point,

1379
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:08,640
Speaker 4: but I don't know.

1380
01:03:09,520 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 2: I don't know what to believe because I just don't

1381
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:13,920
Speaker 2: know how she is. I mean, I mean, maybe she

1382
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:16,960
Speaker 2: is completely overperforming, but I just know how much she

1383
01:03:17,120 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 2: loves it, and I know she's a competitive person also,

1384
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:22,640
Speaker 2: so I would I mean, I just can't. I can't

1385
01:03:22,680 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 2: imagine her never performing again.

1386
01:03:25,040 --> 01:03:25,280
Speaker 3: Well.

1387
01:03:25,280 --> 01:03:27,240
Speaker 7: Look, my thing was, and I think I said this

1388
01:03:27,320 --> 01:03:29,240
Speaker 7: to somebody about a year ago, it was like when

1389
01:03:29,240 --> 01:03:34,400
Speaker 7: she did Lady Marmae Marma Lade with Pink Christina Aguilera,

1390
01:03:34,480 --> 01:03:36,040
Speaker 7: and I think Mayo was.

1391
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 3: A part of that situation.

1392
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 7: Is something there, you know, those ladies coming back together

1393
01:03:42,760 --> 01:03:45,120
Speaker 7: and doing a series of shows. Maybe it's Vegas, maybe

1394
01:03:45,120 --> 01:03:45,920
Speaker 7: it's something like that.

1395
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:46,880
Speaker 3: But then the.

1396
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:50,600
Speaker 7: Pressure is not on her entire shoulders. They have to

1397
01:03:50,600 --> 01:03:53,080
Speaker 7: do a full show. She can have fun with them,

1398
01:03:53,120 --> 01:03:55,080
Speaker 7: she can get back up because once a performer is

1399
01:03:55,160 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 7: you know, it's always in your blood.

1400
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:59,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, I mean she's been doing this, she

1401
01:03:59,480 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 2: was years old. How important was it back in the

1402
01:04:02,520 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 2: day for all of us artists to have that clean image?

1403
01:04:05,720 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 2: Was that something specifically that y'all made sure would happen,

1404
01:04:09,520 --> 01:04:12,280
Speaker 2: and behind the scenes, maybe talking to magazines being like

1405
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:14,280
Speaker 2: you're not printing that, Like did y'all have that power

1406
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 2: to tell the media what to say?

1407
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:21,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, because yeah, uh, you know the teen magazines, Entertainment

1408
01:04:21,360 --> 01:04:22,600
Speaker 7: Weekly or any of those.

1409
01:04:22,760 --> 01:04:24,080
Speaker 3: They could say or do what they want.

1410
01:04:24,120 --> 01:04:26,760
Speaker 7: And that's why we were constantly negative on them because

1411
01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:30,360
Speaker 7: they were always having something negative say. The clean cut

1412
01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,480
Speaker 7: image was not so much that we wanted you to

1413
01:04:33,480 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 7: be clean cut. We just wanted you not to be attached.

1414
01:04:37,000 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 7: So that was the whole real big thing about girlfriends

1415
01:04:39,640 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 7: to a certain point, because we felt like if the fans,

1416
01:04:43,760 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 7: who are going to be ninety nine percent female, felt

1417
01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:49,200
Speaker 7: like you were involved with somebody else, then they would

1418
01:04:49,200 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 7: move past you, and we wanted you always to be obtainable.

1419
01:04:53,120 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 6: We're probably like, thank god, I.

1420
01:04:56,560 --> 01:04:59,440
Speaker 3: I you made in my part. Yeah, but you know

1421
01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:00,360
Speaker 3: what's fun do you like?

1422
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:02,520
Speaker 7: The mentality of teen girls.

1423
01:05:02,200 --> 01:05:03,280
Speaker 3: Now is not like that?

1424
01:05:03,360 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 7: In fact, if you're attached, that just makes it a

1425
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:07,040
Speaker 7: bigger challenge for them to pull that.

1426
01:05:06,960 --> 01:05:08,840
Speaker 3: Girl away and become closer to you.

1427
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:13,520
Speaker 2: Know, I mean, the fandoms are amazing out there and

1428
01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:16,920
Speaker 2: you've seen so many different pockets of all these fans.

1429
01:05:17,560 --> 01:05:20,160
Speaker 2: What do you think what's the most common denominator that

1430
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 2: these fan groups have for Incubus and in Sync and

1431
01:05:23,920 --> 01:05:27,040
Speaker 2: Brittany and Janet. You know, they're all diverse and different,

1432
01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:29,400
Speaker 2: but what is the one thing that they're just it's

1433
01:05:29,440 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 2: all the same, yo, Every artist has that.

1434
01:05:32,800 --> 01:05:34,840
Speaker 7: Well, you know it's funny that you say that, because

1435
01:05:36,320 --> 01:05:40,120
Speaker 7: I think that they feel like like the Beehive. So

1436
01:05:40,240 --> 01:05:42,720
Speaker 7: if you're a fan of Beyonce and you feel you're

1437
01:05:42,760 --> 01:05:45,240
Speaker 7: a member of the Beehigh, you're part of a family. Yeah,

1438
01:05:45,920 --> 01:05:48,760
Speaker 7: you know, everyone be part of a club, the swifties,

1439
01:05:49,120 --> 01:05:54,160
Speaker 7: so and your artist is acknowledging you know, these groups.

1440
01:05:54,320 --> 01:05:57,000
Speaker 7: So it's kind of like a love fest where they

1441
01:05:57,000 --> 01:05:59,720
Speaker 7: feel like, yeah, we're all in this together, We're part

1442
01:05:59,760 --> 01:06:03,080
Speaker 7: of the family where, you know, so it stays strong.

1443
01:06:03,160 --> 01:06:06,000
Speaker 7: And you watch artists that don't have that kind of

1444
01:06:07,480 --> 01:06:09,840
Speaker 7: I don't know, you know thing for their fans and

1445
01:06:09,880 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 7: they just put out music. The devotion is not as strong,

1446
01:06:14,560 --> 01:06:17,919
Speaker 7: you know. So and again, like I say, a lot

1447
01:06:17,960 --> 01:06:20,080
Speaker 7: of it has to do with social media now because

1448
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 7: people really getting inside the worlds and lives of these

1449
01:06:23,440 --> 01:06:26,320
Speaker 7: artists now. So if they like what they see, then

1450
01:06:26,360 --> 01:06:27,760
Speaker 7: they become a stronger bond.

1451
01:06:27,960 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 3: You know.

1452
01:06:28,240 --> 01:06:30,240
Speaker 7: We live in that world of reality where if you're

1453
01:06:30,240 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 7: not giving good parts of you to the fans s,

1454
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:35,880
Speaker 7: they'll just move on to the next person. Yeah, and again,

1455
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 7: that's why I keep saying Taylor Swift is a genius.

1456
01:06:39,160 --> 01:06:40,760
Speaker 7: She knows how to do it.

1457
01:06:41,640 --> 01:06:45,440
Speaker 2: For aspiring musicians listening right now, what advice would you

1458
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:48,680
Speaker 2: give them in order to break it? Like, how how

1459
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:51,520
Speaker 2: do you break today? Do you do you focus on

1460
01:06:51,560 --> 01:06:52,160
Speaker 2: social media?

1461
01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:52,560
Speaker 3: First?

1462
01:06:52,640 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 2: Do you go you know, go to all the radio

1463
01:06:55,400 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 2: stations and force them to listen to you like we did,

1464
01:06:57,600 --> 01:06:59,320
Speaker 2: like back in the day, Like how how would you

1465
01:06:59,400 --> 01:07:01,560
Speaker 2: suggest some one right now in this day and age.

1466
01:07:02,600 --> 01:07:04,560
Speaker 7: Well, I think the first thing is what is success

1467
01:07:04,600 --> 01:07:04,840
Speaker 7: to you?

1468
01:07:04,920 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 3: Now?

1469
01:07:05,760 --> 01:07:09,959
Speaker 7: If you chase chart position, you're lost. You know, I'll

1470
01:07:09,960 --> 01:07:12,480
Speaker 7: never forget when Justin had Suit and Tie out and

1471
01:07:12,600 --> 01:07:15,120
Speaker 7: Drake had the record that he had out, and my

1472
01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:18,200
Speaker 7: son was a big Drake fan, and we were on

1473
01:07:18,240 --> 01:07:21,480
Speaker 7: the iTunes charts and Suit and Tie went number one,

1474
01:07:22,200 --> 01:07:24,160
Speaker 7: and I went and kind of gloated to my son

1475
01:07:24,600 --> 01:07:27,920
Speaker 7: Drake's number two, and he said, ah, wait four.

1476
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:31,160
Speaker 3: Hours, that's going to change, you know. And it did.

1477
01:07:31,320 --> 01:07:33,560
Speaker 7: Within the course of the day, Drake came up and

1478
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:36,280
Speaker 7: took the number one spot. But ultimately it didn't mean

1479
01:07:36,320 --> 01:07:38,760
Speaker 7: anything where your chart position was. It's whether or not

1480
01:07:38,800 --> 01:07:42,520
Speaker 7: I like you and I like the song. So my

1481
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:45,400
Speaker 7: advice to artists now is if you're chasing that thing

1482
01:07:45,440 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 7: where you have to be number one or you have

1483
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 7: to be on the charts, then you're already lost. Build

1484
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:53,240
Speaker 7: a foundation of fan base. I say this about the

1485
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:57,960
Speaker 7: Backstreet Boys. They're probably having their biggest run on shows

1486
01:07:58,200 --> 01:08:00,840
Speaker 7: arena shows across the world in places they probably never

1487
01:08:00,880 --> 01:08:04,840
Speaker 7: played Heyday, And it has nothing to do with a record.

1488
01:08:05,520 --> 01:08:08,120
Speaker 7: It has to do with the fact that the fans remember,

1489
01:08:08,720 --> 01:08:11,720
Speaker 7: loved them, stayed connected to them, and understood that every

1490
01:08:11,720 --> 01:08:13,560
Speaker 7: time they stepped on that stage they were going to

1491
01:08:13,920 --> 01:08:16,240
Speaker 7: have a moment that everybody could be a part of.

1492
01:08:16,800 --> 01:08:19,320
Speaker 7: And so that's my thing to an artist. Now, don't

1493
01:08:19,360 --> 01:08:24,120
Speaker 7: worry about chart position a song. I don't even look

1494
01:08:24,160 --> 01:08:26,880
Speaker 7: at singles anymore. It's to me, it's you put out music,

1495
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 7: and you should be dropping music every four to six

1496
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:33,040
Speaker 7: weeks so that people are constantly being bombarded with music

1497
01:08:33,120 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 7: from you, so that they can stay connected to you.

1498
01:08:35,520 --> 01:08:37,680
Speaker 2: Because that's very different from our I mean, because it

1499
01:08:37,800 --> 01:08:41,120
Speaker 2: was such a formula of you release a single first,

1500
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:43,280
Speaker 2: you wait a couple of months to do the album

1501
01:08:43,400 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 2: with the second you know, the second single, and you

1502
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:49,760
Speaker 2: really had to spread them out. Now, yeah, it's now

1503
01:08:49,800 --> 01:08:53,120
Speaker 2: you can have six songs in the top ten. It's

1504
01:08:53,120 --> 01:08:54,519
Speaker 2: so unheard of back in the day.

1505
01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:58,920
Speaker 7: And for that, you know, the the DSPs, the Spotify's

1506
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:02,599
Speaker 7: and Apple music is about the algorithm, and that's how

1507
01:09:02,640 --> 01:09:05,680
Speaker 7: you get put in different kind of playlists, which decides

1508
01:09:06,000 --> 01:09:08,799
Speaker 7: how successful, how many people actually get to hear your records.

1509
01:09:09,360 --> 01:09:14,360
Speaker 7: So these algorithms are all based on consistency of music. So,

1510
01:09:14,400 --> 01:09:16,040
Speaker 7: like you said, if you put a song out once

1511
01:09:16,080 --> 01:09:19,360
Speaker 7: every ninety days, there's no consistency. But if you're dropping

1512
01:09:19,479 --> 01:09:22,880
Speaker 7: music every four to six weeks, those algorithms are seeing

1513
01:09:22,960 --> 01:09:25,760
Speaker 7: that there's a consistency. And maybe that first record or

1514
01:09:25,760 --> 01:09:28,400
Speaker 7: even the second record that you put out doesn't expand,

1515
01:09:28,640 --> 01:09:30,759
Speaker 7: but the third or fourth one, all of a sudden

1516
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:33,400
Speaker 7: could be the big records. And because you're not looking

1517
01:09:33,439 --> 01:09:36,439
Speaker 7: at them in singles, as you're looking at him as music,

1518
01:09:36,560 --> 01:09:39,120
Speaker 7: it really doesn't matter any other thing. Is Back in

1519
01:09:39,160 --> 01:09:41,320
Speaker 7: the day, if you put out an album and it

1520
01:09:41,400 --> 01:09:43,760
Speaker 7: went to Target or one of the music stores, it

1521
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 7: was there for ninety days. If it didn't sell, it

1522
01:09:46,040 --> 01:09:48,680
Speaker 7: got put in the bargain bin, and after thirty days

1523
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:50,519
Speaker 7: of that it was gone. No one could buy it again.

1524
01:09:51,000 --> 01:09:54,639
Speaker 7: Once you put a song up on the DSPs, now it's.

1525
01:09:54,439 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 3: There for life.

1526
01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 7: So if your third song as a new artist is

1527
01:09:58,080 --> 01:10:01,280
Speaker 7: the one that actually blows you up, fans are gonna

1528
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:03,519
Speaker 7: come back and listen to the first and second one

1529
01:10:03,560 --> 01:10:04,920
Speaker 7: and you're still going to get.

1530
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:05,719
Speaker 3: Success with those.

1531
01:10:06,479 --> 01:10:10,960
Speaker 7: And that's a hard conversation actually to have with artists

1532
01:10:11,000 --> 01:10:15,439
Speaker 7: from the nineties era because they're still thinking about it

1533
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:18,240
Speaker 7: in the way that we released music in the past.

1534
01:10:18,560 --> 01:10:21,479
Speaker 2: Do people do album filler songs anymore? Is that even

1535
01:10:21,680 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 2: a thing?

1536
01:10:22,439 --> 01:10:24,040
Speaker 3: Well, there's no such thing really.

1537
01:10:24,080 --> 01:10:27,000
Speaker 7: I mean, there are certain artists like Adele and a

1538
01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:29,040
Speaker 7: few people that put out albums, but it's all a

1539
01:10:29,080 --> 01:10:34,600
Speaker 7: playlist because the home of all this music is on Spotify,

1540
01:10:34,680 --> 01:10:36,719
Speaker 7: Apple and Title in those places.

1541
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:39,960
Speaker 3: So what's a filler? I can skip?

1542
01:10:40,040 --> 01:10:42,519
Speaker 7: If you put ten songs out as an album today,

1543
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:45,800
Speaker 7: I might like track one and track four and track

1544
01:10:45,840 --> 01:10:47,600
Speaker 7: ten I might not like the rest of it, so

1545
01:10:47,640 --> 01:10:49,760
Speaker 7: I don't have to listen to the whole thing. I

1546
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:50,719
Speaker 7: can just skip around.

1547
01:10:51,400 --> 01:11:09,640
Speaker 2: You know, why the hell did the Grammars never give

1548
01:11:09,720 --> 01:11:13,160
Speaker 2: us one? We performed at that damn show, how many

1549
01:11:13,160 --> 01:11:18,400
Speaker 2: times nominated, eight nine times? Those little biachas would never

1550
01:11:18,479 --> 01:11:22,120
Speaker 2: give us one, and now today they would like, okay,

1551
01:11:22,200 --> 01:11:23,599
Speaker 2: give it to the young ones. Now.

1552
01:11:23,800 --> 01:11:26,519
Speaker 7: Well, I think that you know, as you explore the

1553
01:11:26,800 --> 01:11:30,160
Speaker 7: Grammy situation over the years, because you really never understand

1554
01:11:30,200 --> 01:11:34,639
Speaker 7: truly how the nomination factor happens, and then you find

1555
01:11:34,680 --> 01:11:38,400
Speaker 7: out that you know, it's your peers, it's writers and

1556
01:11:38,439 --> 01:11:41,520
Speaker 7: producers and other artists that are part of that committee,

1557
01:11:42,120 --> 01:11:45,519
Speaker 7: and there's a standard of what they think about when

1558
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:48,840
Speaker 7: they're listening and who's getting those Grammys. And so if

1559
01:11:48,880 --> 01:11:53,160
Speaker 7: you're an act that doesn't really write or produce your

1560
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:55,720
Speaker 7: own music and someone else is doing that for you

1561
01:11:55,800 --> 01:11:58,200
Speaker 7: and you're just the voice of it doesn't matter if

1562
01:11:58,240 --> 01:12:01,400
Speaker 7: you go number one or so twenty million records that year.

1563
01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:04,920
Speaker 7: It's the criteria of what is the standard of a

1564
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 7: true artist at that moment. So if you got Steely Dan,

1565
01:12:09,760 --> 01:12:11,720
Speaker 7: who have been that way for twenty years, and they

1566
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 7: put an album out against you, and they might have

1567
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:16,760
Speaker 7: sold five hundred thousand and you sold five million, it

1568
01:12:16,800 --> 01:12:20,880
Speaker 7: doesn't matter. It's the fact that Steely Dan actually wrote

1569
01:12:20,880 --> 01:12:21,599
Speaker 7: and produced the.

1570
01:12:21,920 --> 01:12:25,080
Speaker 2: What about Milli Vanilli? They won a Grammy and they.

1571
01:12:24,920 --> 01:12:25,759
Speaker 3: Had to give it back.

1572
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:33,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean again that that's you know again, we

1573
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:37,000
Speaker 7: can go back and forth on that and who was there.

1574
01:12:37,720 --> 01:12:40,280
Speaker 2: Do you think they used us though? I mean because

1575
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:42,240
Speaker 2: I think it was a little because usually the people

1576
01:12:42,240 --> 01:12:44,559
Speaker 2: that perform we end up winning a Grammy.

1577
01:12:44,640 --> 01:12:48,559
Speaker 7: You know, Britt didn't win one, she lost to Christina Aguilera.

1578
01:12:48,680 --> 01:12:50,200
Speaker 2: Well, she was in the same boat with us. I think,

1579
01:12:50,360 --> 01:12:53,479
Speaker 2: you know, pop music, especially then was looked down upon.

1580
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:56,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, so, I mean the American music War is MTV.

1581
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 7: We won all those but and I don't think it

1582
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:01,680
Speaker 7: was used because we all knew that the Grammys is

1583
01:13:01,720 --> 01:13:04,400
Speaker 7: the biggest stages you could possibly be on the credibility

1584
01:13:04,400 --> 01:13:06,320
Speaker 7: of the fact that you're actually one of the performers

1585
01:13:06,360 --> 01:13:07,200
Speaker 7: and the bumps.

1586
01:13:06,880 --> 01:13:07,960
Speaker 2: On your albums go crazy.

1587
01:13:08,040 --> 01:13:10,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, So I'll take that.

1588
01:13:11,040 --> 01:13:15,479
Speaker 7: You know again, everybody wants that achievement that's still look

1589
01:13:15,560 --> 01:13:19,800
Speaker 7: real good off them now that the tides have changed

1590
01:13:19,840 --> 01:13:20,960
Speaker 7: over there, time to put.

1591
01:13:20,840 --> 01:13:21,360
Speaker 3: Out an album.

1592
01:13:21,360 --> 01:13:24,479
Speaker 2: All right, let's do it. Let's do it all right.

1593
01:13:24,560 --> 01:13:27,120
Speaker 2: So what does life look like for you today? I

1594
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 2: know you're newly married, seem super super happy. How do

1595
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:38,160
Speaker 2: you balance your work and personal life and still managing

1596
01:13:38,200 --> 01:13:39,439
Speaker 2: the biggest stars right now?

1597
01:13:40,240 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 3: Uh?

1598
01:13:41,320 --> 01:13:43,799
Speaker 7: Well, for the most part is because the I've limited

1599
01:13:43,800 --> 01:13:46,599
Speaker 7: the number of artists that I'm are involved at number one.

1600
01:13:46,720 --> 01:13:47,280
Speaker 3: Number two.

1601
01:13:47,920 --> 01:13:49,960
Speaker 7: Most of the artists that I'm involved with have families

1602
01:13:50,000 --> 01:13:53,240
Speaker 7: now too, so they understand that dynamics. I do have

1603
01:13:53,320 --> 01:13:55,960
Speaker 7: a great new wife and my kids are older now,

1604
01:13:56,040 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 7: so it's not like I have to be at their

1605
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 7: baseball games every day oritols. So they're off in college

1606
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:04,800
Speaker 7: doing their things. So it allows me a little bit

1607
01:14:04,840 --> 01:14:07,720
Speaker 7: more time to be free to do the things that

1608
01:14:07,840 --> 01:14:08,680
Speaker 7: I need to do for.

1609
01:14:08,640 --> 01:14:12,720
Speaker 2: The artists that I have no So, yeah, so what

1610
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 2: do you think you're the most proud of in your career?

1611
01:14:15,320 --> 01:14:15,840
Speaker 3: My kids?

1612
01:14:16,000 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, my kids. From a business standpoint, well, you know,

1613
01:14:24,439 --> 01:14:26,479
Speaker 7: I'm coming up on thirty years of being in this

1614
01:14:26,600 --> 01:14:29,880
Speaker 7: game this year. So and when I look back at

1615
01:14:30,160 --> 01:14:32,320
Speaker 7: my life and who I've been involved, whether I'm still

1616
01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:35,639
Speaker 7: involved with them or not, I've been blessed.

1617
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 3: Man.

1618
01:14:36,840 --> 01:14:40,360
Speaker 7: I've been blessed with so many great talented people. And

1619
01:14:41,680 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 7: I always make this joke that I probably made more

1620
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:50,800
Speaker 7: musical teen millionaires than anybody.

1621
01:14:50,320 --> 01:14:52,800
Speaker 3: In the world. I agree with that. Now, I don't

1622
01:14:52,800 --> 01:14:54,759
Speaker 3: know what they've all done with their money, because.

1623
01:14:57,439 --> 01:14:59,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, we can tell you a little bit about that.

1624
01:15:00,960 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 2: But yeah, I mean, I think you've been so great

1625
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 2: with us. I really appreciate your guidance through the whole

1626
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:12,080
Speaker 2: and SYNC run. It's it was just I think we

1627
01:15:12,160 --> 01:15:14,559
Speaker 2: really had a good bond, you know, during that, and

1628
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 2: I was it was always so fun to just be

1629
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:18,320
Speaker 2: able to bounce anything off of you and you would

1630
01:15:18,360 --> 01:15:20,000
Speaker 2: get the truth back. You know, a lot of people

1631
01:15:20,000 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 2: were just not you know yeah sure, yeah, yeah, but

1632
01:15:22,000 --> 01:15:23,639
Speaker 2: like you would always give us the hard truth.

1633
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:24,839
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1634
01:15:24,880 --> 01:15:26,679
Speaker 7: For me, it's like better to tell you the truth

1635
01:15:26,760 --> 01:15:28,920
Speaker 7: if the sky's fun. But this is how we're going

1636
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:31,040
Speaker 7: to get out the way so it doesn't fall on us,

1637
01:15:31,360 --> 01:15:35,240
Speaker 7: you know. And you guys took it well, you know.

1638
01:15:35,720 --> 01:15:37,720
Speaker 2: And it's hard to manage a group, I mean, all

1639
01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:41,280
Speaker 2: the different personalities. That's like hurting cats. Yeah, that's a skill.

1640
01:15:42,560 --> 01:15:45,920
Speaker 7: Well again, but I had I had, you know, the

1641
01:15:45,960 --> 01:15:48,479
Speaker 7: Backstreet Boys and New Kids before that. So by the

1642
01:15:48,520 --> 01:15:52,800
Speaker 7: time we got together, it was like, okay, I can all.

1643
01:15:52,760 --> 01:15:54,920
Speaker 2: Right, we have to have a frosted tip before I

1644
01:15:54,960 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 2: let you go here. So for someone starting the business

1645
01:15:57,080 --> 01:15:59,680
Speaker 2: now and wants to work behind the scenes, what are

1646
01:15:59,680 --> 01:16:03,560
Speaker 2: some tips she would give them.

1647
01:16:04,960 --> 01:16:08,200
Speaker 7: If you understand that you're not going to have a life,

1648
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:13,920
Speaker 7: you have to be patient because artists, for the most part,

1649
01:16:14,000 --> 01:16:17,160
Speaker 7: don't understand the business. They understand what they want and

1650
01:16:17,240 --> 01:16:19,599
Speaker 7: when they want something that you feel is not realistic,

1651
01:16:19,720 --> 01:16:22,720
Speaker 7: you can't be mad at them. You just have to

1652
01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:26,920
Speaker 7: kind of educate and guide and go forward. For anyone

1653
01:16:27,000 --> 01:16:29,599
Speaker 7: wants to be a manager. Now, don't join a management company.

1654
01:16:31,000 --> 01:16:35,840
Speaker 7: Find an artist and build that relationship with that artist,

1655
01:16:35,920 --> 01:16:39,200
Speaker 7: and then sign up with a bigger management company. So

1656
01:16:39,240 --> 01:16:42,600
Speaker 7: they're kind of like their support system, but that relationship

1657
01:16:42,920 --> 01:16:44,320
Speaker 7: is between you and that artist.

1658
01:16:44,800 --> 01:16:46,400
Speaker 2: Is that the advice you gave Scooter Brawn? Because I

1659
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:47,680
Speaker 2: feel like that's exactly what he did.

1660
01:16:48,320 --> 01:16:50,240
Speaker 3: Well, I didn't have. I didn't give Scooter anything.

1661
01:16:50,280 --> 01:16:51,920
Speaker 7: I mean, he did this on his own, and like,

1662
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:54,160
Speaker 7: you know, look, that's one of those guys that I

1663
01:16:54,200 --> 01:16:56,599
Speaker 7: had absolutely nothing to do with his career other than

1664
01:16:56,600 --> 01:16:58,720
Speaker 7: the fact that he was a party promoter for us

1665
01:16:58,960 --> 01:17:01,720
Speaker 7: and some of the shows. But he's a genius and

1666
01:17:01,800 --> 01:17:05,280
Speaker 7: how he's parlayed that into you know, the company that

1667
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 7: he has that went out and bought half of you know,

1668
01:17:08,160 --> 01:17:10,080
Speaker 7: the k pop situation that's happening.

1669
01:17:10,160 --> 01:17:14,080
Speaker 2: So I was speaking of k pop, what do you

1670
01:17:14,080 --> 01:17:16,760
Speaker 2: think they're really going through? Because from the outside, it

1671
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:19,599
Speaker 2: looks like they're being taken advantage of more than we

1672
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:21,639
Speaker 2: were back in the day. I mean, there's no way

1673
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:24,479
Speaker 2: that they're going through this whole process and winning.

1674
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:26,960
Speaker 3: Do you think, Well, I don't know about that.

1675
01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:30,160
Speaker 2: You know, again, are they actually making money?

1676
01:17:30,160 --> 01:17:32,120
Speaker 7: Are the well I can only speak for what I've

1677
01:17:32,160 --> 01:17:34,640
Speaker 7: heard from BTS and not being in the middle of it,

1678
01:17:34,680 --> 01:17:37,120
Speaker 7: I can't say that's one hundred percent. But there's a

1679
01:17:37,160 --> 01:17:40,400
Speaker 7: billion dollar valuation on the business, and from what I understand,

1680
01:17:40,479 --> 01:17:42,519
Speaker 7: they were partners in the business, so they got a

1681
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:43,040
Speaker 7: piece of it.

1682
01:17:43,320 --> 01:17:45,559
Speaker 3: Now, all the sixty five.

1683
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:48,839
Speaker 7: Other bands that are out there being popped every week,

1684
01:17:49,080 --> 01:17:51,080
Speaker 7: I don't know, but I think the culture of that

1685
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 7: is they understood that going into it is the production

1686
01:17:56,439 --> 01:18:00,240
Speaker 7: company is is the boss, and you guys are like

1687
01:18:00,360 --> 01:18:02,360
Speaker 7: going to Disney. You're going to get hired in and

1688
01:18:02,400 --> 01:18:04,760
Speaker 7: you're going to be a character in the Kingdom, and this.

1689
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:05,720
Speaker 3: Is what we're going to pay you.

1690
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:08,519
Speaker 7: And it doesn't matter how many people attend the park today,

1691
01:18:08,840 --> 01:18:11,519
Speaker 7: this is what you're gonna get. And at some point

1692
01:18:11,560 --> 01:18:13,599
Speaker 7: in time, when you're not happy with that, you'll move

1693
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:16,160
Speaker 7: on and we'll either replace you or we'll put another

1694
01:18:16,200 --> 01:18:19,719
Speaker 7: set of characters together that will be part of the group.

1695
01:18:20,000 --> 01:18:22,800
Speaker 2: So, and I do think South Korea has the boy

1696
01:18:22,840 --> 01:18:25,720
Speaker 2: band crown right now. It was always going back from

1697
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:28,639
Speaker 2: UK to America, UK to America, but now South Korea

1698
01:18:28,840 --> 01:18:32,040
Speaker 2: has the Crown. Do you think UK or America will

1699
01:18:32,080 --> 01:18:34,679
Speaker 2: ever get that back. Will there ever be a band

1700
01:18:34,720 --> 01:18:37,000
Speaker 2: that can break through to be the next backstreeter in

1701
01:18:37,080 --> 01:18:38,760
Speaker 2: Sync or take that group?

1702
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:41,320
Speaker 7: I have an Orlando right now called No Lonely Hearts,

1703
01:18:42,400 --> 01:18:46,120
Speaker 7: So I mean, live talented guys. You're working on the

1704
01:18:46,200 --> 01:18:49,320
Speaker 7: music and building and the same thing. They're going through

1705
01:18:49,320 --> 01:18:51,400
Speaker 7: the boot camp that you guys went through right now,

1706
01:18:51,920 --> 01:18:54,320
Speaker 7: and it's like anything else, you know, it's just finding

1707
01:18:54,360 --> 01:18:58,439
Speaker 7: that one song and that one opportunity that breaks through.

1708
01:18:59,240 --> 01:19:00,800
Speaker 2: Is it hard to find the right song for a

1709
01:19:00,840 --> 01:19:02,920
Speaker 2: new band these days? Because we were lucky that you

1710
01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:05,600
Speaker 2: hooked us up with Max Martin and Dennis Pop. I

1711
01:19:05,600 --> 01:19:08,559
Speaker 2: mean that started our career. But I could imagine new

1712
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:11,479
Speaker 2: artists today because all these writers are booked two years

1713
01:19:11,479 --> 01:19:15,120
Speaker 2: in advance. How hard is it to find that that

1714
01:19:15,240 --> 01:19:17,160
Speaker 2: hit for a new artist?

1715
01:19:18,080 --> 01:19:18,200
Speaker 3: Well?

1716
01:19:18,280 --> 01:19:21,920
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean I mean again, even back then, you know,

1717
01:19:22,160 --> 01:19:25,200
Speaker 7: I think Max had the formula for the world at

1718
01:19:25,200 --> 01:19:26,640
Speaker 7: that point in time, so you could go to I

1719
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:29,800
Speaker 7: don't know if there's one producer now that has that.

1720
01:19:29,960 --> 01:19:33,040
Speaker 7: And then again with the boy band, do you stay

1721
01:19:33,200 --> 01:19:37,680
Speaker 7: in that young, youthful, pop clean thing when so much

1722
01:19:37,720 --> 01:19:41,280
Speaker 7: of the music is in a different, you know, taste,

1723
01:19:41,320 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 7: And then you have. There are a couple other boy

1724
01:19:43,120 --> 01:19:45,120
Speaker 7: bands out there and from the United States that have

1725
01:19:45,160 --> 01:19:47,200
Speaker 7: taken on more of an R and B hip hop

1726
01:19:47,240 --> 01:19:48,720
Speaker 7: type of vibe and.

1727
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:49,960
Speaker 3: They haven't broken through yet.

1728
01:19:50,120 --> 01:19:53,320
Speaker 7: So I don't know, man. I mean, this is one

1729
01:19:53,320 --> 01:19:56,600
Speaker 7: of those those challenges for me and I think for

1730
01:19:56,720 --> 01:19:59,400
Speaker 7: them in the boy band world, this is my last hurrah.

1731
01:20:00,240 --> 01:20:03,519
Speaker 7: I would want to make this my final legacy. Same

1732
01:20:03,520 --> 01:20:05,360
Speaker 7: thing would sign a ninety eight degrees. You know, back

1733
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:07,320
Speaker 7: in the nineties, I had you guys in Backstreet, but

1734
01:20:07,680 --> 01:20:10,519
Speaker 7: ninety eight was there. So when they came into with

1735
01:20:10,560 --> 01:20:13,320
Speaker 7: me two years ago, that was my trilogy. So now

1736
01:20:13,400 --> 01:20:16,400
Speaker 7: I had all the nineties boy bands. But I think

1737
01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:19,280
Speaker 7: for me, I just want to because I love these guys,

1738
01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:22,080
Speaker 7: no lonelyhearts and dedicated and work hard like you guys

1739
01:20:22,080 --> 01:20:26,200
Speaker 7: did to have that moment and again they have to

1740
01:20:26,240 --> 01:20:29,200
Speaker 7: cut through that situation of social media and then we

1741
01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:32,599
Speaker 7: have to get the bigger platforms like radio to embrace.

1742
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:36,200
Speaker 7: We have a song coming call Me Back that I think.

1743
01:20:36,080 --> 01:20:36,560
Speaker 3: Could be that.

1744
01:20:37,040 --> 01:20:37,920
Speaker 2: When is that coming out?

1745
01:20:38,320 --> 01:20:41,160
Speaker 7: June twenty Okay, yes, a couple of weeks.

1746
01:20:41,600 --> 01:20:42,640
Speaker 3: I love it all right.

1747
01:20:42,640 --> 01:20:45,920
Speaker 2: A couple fan questions from real Shannon Black. What is

1748
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:47,639
Speaker 2: your favorite Aaron Carter's story.

1749
01:20:49,120 --> 01:20:51,280
Speaker 7: I think the day that I met him was my

1750
01:20:51,360 --> 01:20:53,400
Speaker 7: favorite story, and then I think the second one is

1751
01:20:53,439 --> 01:20:56,920
Speaker 7: probably we had this song created called I Think I

1752
01:20:56,960 --> 01:21:01,200
Speaker 7: Can Beat Shack. Oh yeah, yeah, and we just never

1753
01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:02,960
Speaker 7: thought we were gonna do the song. We were gonna

1754
01:21:03,000 --> 01:21:05,320
Speaker 7: have a Shack look alike kind of like, and then

1755
01:21:05,640 --> 01:21:06,760
Speaker 7: the real Shack showed up.

1756
01:21:06,840 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 2: Was he recorded at Shack's house like we did?

1757
01:21:09,080 --> 01:21:10,879
Speaker 3: Uh No, he did that at the compound.

1758
01:21:11,040 --> 01:21:14,840
Speaker 7: Yeah, but when Shacks agreed to do it, it was

1759
01:21:14,880 --> 01:21:17,759
Speaker 7: like it was a great thing. You could see Aaron

1760
01:21:17,840 --> 01:21:21,120
Speaker 7: beaming from from side to side. But I think that's

1761
01:21:21,160 --> 01:21:23,120
Speaker 7: between the first time I met him in that Shack

1762
01:21:23,240 --> 01:21:25,240
Speaker 7: video some of the best times.

1763
01:21:25,320 --> 01:21:27,519
Speaker 2: Yeah. I think a lot of people don't know that.

1764
01:21:27,760 --> 01:21:30,559
Speaker 2: Our first songs we ever recorded were in Shaquille O'Neill's

1765
01:21:30,560 --> 01:21:32,960
Speaker 2: house in his studio. Some of my favorite songs that

1766
01:21:33,000 --> 01:21:37,439
Speaker 2: we ever recorded are a cappella, My God, what's the

1767
01:21:37,479 --> 01:21:42,000
Speaker 2: name of it? When Robin Riley wrote, I thought you knew?

1768
01:21:42,000 --> 01:21:43,840
Speaker 2: Why did I forget that name? I remember recording I

1769
01:21:43,880 --> 01:21:46,320
Speaker 2: thought she knew in that studio and just knowing at

1770
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:51,360
Speaker 2: that moment this was magic Robin Wiley was a genius. Genius, genius, Jesus,

1771
01:21:52,439 --> 01:21:54,920
Speaker 2: what's your favorite memory? This is from Corey and nineteen.

1772
01:21:55,040 --> 01:21:56,599
Speaker 2: What's your favorite memory within sync?

1773
01:22:01,160 --> 01:22:05,240
Speaker 3: So many? Wow, that's a good question.

1774
01:22:06,080 --> 01:22:07,920
Speaker 2: Because things that stand out for me, It's Super Bowl

1775
01:22:08,000 --> 01:22:08,320
Speaker 2: for sure.

1776
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:09,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a good time.

1777
01:22:10,280 --> 01:22:14,840
Speaker 7: But I think us sitting down and talking about the

1778
01:22:15,000 --> 01:22:19,479
Speaker 7: huge puppets and how we wanted and we foresaw the

1779
01:22:19,520 --> 01:22:22,000
Speaker 7: opening of the tour with the no strings attached and

1780
01:22:22,000 --> 01:22:23,920
Speaker 7: the puppets and everything like that, and then going to

1781
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:27,840
Speaker 7: Sid and Marty Kraft to get them built. And to me,

1782
01:22:28,120 --> 01:22:31,679
Speaker 7: that was a moment because it all came together.

1783
01:22:32,280 --> 01:22:34,400
Speaker 2: You know, did we get sued by Sid and Marty Kraft?

1784
01:22:34,560 --> 01:22:36,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well that was a Joey thing.

1785
01:22:36,560 --> 01:22:37,439
Speaker 2: That was a Joey thing.

1786
01:22:37,520 --> 01:22:39,960
Speaker 7: Well yeah, because Joey went out to lunch with them

1787
01:22:40,000 --> 01:22:43,439
Speaker 7: and they had this thing called the Buggaboos and they

1788
01:22:43,479 --> 01:22:45,400
Speaker 7: asked Joey, hey, you know, would you want to be

1789
01:22:45,479 --> 01:22:47,240
Speaker 7: in the new episode of the Buggle Boozs And He's like,

1790
01:22:47,280 --> 01:22:49,560
Speaker 7: of course, I'm a fan, blah blah blah. And in Hollywood,

1791
01:22:50,320 --> 01:22:54,120
Speaker 7: that conversation to them was that it's an agreement.

1792
01:22:54,120 --> 01:22:55,360
Speaker 3: We have a verbal agreement.

1793
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:58,479
Speaker 7: So when they sent the script and the timing and

1794
01:22:58,640 --> 01:23:00,760
Speaker 7: was like, well, we're on tour weekend, do it, so

1795
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:02,960
Speaker 7: it became something else.

1796
01:23:03,040 --> 01:23:05,240
Speaker 2: I don't Yeah, see, I never knew that. Yeah, I

1797
01:23:05,720 --> 01:23:07,280
Speaker 2: just thought I had to do something with the puppet

1798
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 2: or likeness of a puppet, or.

1799
01:23:09,160 --> 01:23:10,760
Speaker 7: They wanted us to do the bugaboos.

1800
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:13,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, bug a boo, bugaboo?

1801
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:13,880
Speaker 3: All right?

1802
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:16,519
Speaker 2: Which boy band was the hardest manage by Laura Lyn

1803
01:23:16,600 --> 01:23:17,280
Speaker 2: seventy nine.

1804
01:23:18,840 --> 01:23:19,559
Speaker 3: You can say us.

1805
01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:25,559
Speaker 7: That's a hard question because each one of you had

1806
01:23:25,600 --> 01:23:33,960
Speaker 7: your own personality, so the challenges were equally the same. No,

1807
01:23:34,160 --> 01:23:38,000
Speaker 7: I I guess because of the outcome of everything. I

1808
01:23:38,040 --> 01:23:40,000
Speaker 7: have to say it was the Backstreet Boys because at

1809
01:23:40,040 --> 01:23:42,320
Speaker 7: the end of the whole situation, we couldn't see eye

1810
01:23:42,400 --> 01:23:44,640
Speaker 7: to eye on something, so that.

1811
01:23:44,320 --> 01:23:46,240
Speaker 3: There's a lot more layers there for sure to have

1812
01:23:46,280 --> 01:23:46,559
Speaker 3: to And.

1813
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:49,360
Speaker 7: Then I had to, you know, like I told them,

1814
01:23:49,400 --> 01:23:52,040
Speaker 7: I said, look, if I'm not managing you and I'm

1815
01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:55,240
Speaker 7: only managing them, then I'm going to turn all my

1816
01:23:55,320 --> 01:24:00,240
Speaker 7: attention to them to beat you. And that's not place

1817
01:24:00,280 --> 01:24:02,000
Speaker 7: that I ever wanted to be in, because I loved

1818
01:24:02,040 --> 01:24:05,519
Speaker 7: at that point where we were all successful together. But

1819
01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:08,280
Speaker 7: it just didn't end up that way, so I think

1820
01:24:08,680 --> 01:24:10,760
Speaker 7: they probably were towards the end time.

1821
01:24:11,200 --> 01:24:15,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, all right. We always like to ask everyone, what

1822
01:24:15,560 --> 01:24:17,640
Speaker 2: are you binging right now? What are you listening to?

1823
01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:18,719
Speaker 3: Uh?

1824
01:24:18,760 --> 01:24:20,719
Speaker 2: So do you watch do you get to watch TV?

1825
01:24:21,160 --> 01:24:21,400
Speaker 5: All right?

1826
01:24:21,439 --> 01:24:22,720
Speaker 2: What do you what do you like on? Give us

1827
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:26,639
Speaker 2: a suggestion, Beef, Yes, we need to walk the one

1828
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:28,840
Speaker 2: keep saying how great that is? God, we have to

1829
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:29,719
Speaker 2: add that to our list.

1830
01:24:29,920 --> 01:24:32,960
Speaker 3: That was great.

1831
01:24:33,200 --> 01:24:39,720
Speaker 7: Uh, you know Power, Uh, A few other shows for that. Musically,

1832
01:24:41,000 --> 01:24:43,200
Speaker 7: I'm I reverted back to the old school.

1833
01:24:43,280 --> 01:24:45,240
Speaker 2: Yes, but I like because you have such great taste

1834
01:24:45,240 --> 01:24:47,439
Speaker 2: in music, especially music. I you know, I didn't know

1835
01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:50,559
Speaker 2: Johnny Kevin tell you you know, so like give us

1836
01:24:50,560 --> 01:24:52,760
Speaker 2: some good recommendation to go back. Let's go to our

1837
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:56,400
Speaker 2: Apple music and uh, and what songs we need to

1838
01:24:56,800 --> 01:24:58,080
Speaker 2: know and have in our.

1839
01:24:57,960 --> 01:24:59,679
Speaker 3: Lives old schools?

1840
01:24:59,840 --> 01:25:04,280
Speaker 7: Yeah, anything from Earth Went and Fire, Because if you

1841
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:06,479
Speaker 7: think about it, they're a band, but if you listen

1842
01:25:06,520 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 7: to their vocals, they're vocally as strong as you guys

1843
01:25:11,080 --> 01:25:14,280
Speaker 7: were the boy band sounds, but the harmonies and everything

1844
01:25:14,320 --> 01:25:19,800
Speaker 7: like that. You know, anything that knew Jack Swing back

1845
01:25:19,840 --> 01:25:22,479
Speaker 7: in those days, Teddy Riley, stuff that he did with

1846
01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:24,519
Speaker 7: you know guy or.

1847
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:28,040
Speaker 3: You know, just got paid or any of that stuff.

1848
01:25:28,439 --> 01:25:31,679
Speaker 7: I'm saying anything out of the seventies, you know, it's

1849
01:25:31,800 --> 01:25:32,320
Speaker 7: just great to do.

1850
01:25:32,320 --> 01:25:33,840
Speaker 3: You think that was the best decade of music?

1851
01:25:33,920 --> 01:25:35,880
Speaker 7: Yeah, even if I listened to a group like Three

1852
01:25:35,920 --> 01:25:39,200
Speaker 7: Dog Night, you know, you know, just listen to the

1853
01:25:39,200 --> 01:25:45,080
Speaker 7: words and the lyrics. Chicago is another, you know, So

1854
01:25:45,920 --> 01:25:48,360
Speaker 7: it's so again. Yeah, I'm truly dating myself. But if

1855
01:25:48,360 --> 01:25:51,200
Speaker 7: I had to say, and I'm you know, I'm a

1856
01:25:51,200 --> 01:25:52,759
Speaker 7: fan today of post Malone.

1857
01:25:53,479 --> 01:25:55,320
Speaker 2: You know what you changed his name now?

1858
01:25:55,560 --> 01:26:00,000
Speaker 3: Yeah? Oh no, the Weekend? The weekend? Sorry yeah, yeah,

1859
01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:01,639
Speaker 3: wait what are the weekend? James name to his real

1860
01:26:01,720 --> 01:26:06,559
Speaker 3: name Abel? Yeah, so yeah, he dropped it. No longer

1861
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:07,000
Speaker 3: the Weekend.

1862
01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:12,439
Speaker 7: But I like how the Weekend kind of reminds me

1863
01:26:12,640 --> 01:26:15,680
Speaker 7: of a younger version of Montel Jordan.

1864
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:16,200
Speaker 3: How We do it?

1865
01:26:16,200 --> 01:26:19,600
Speaker 7: Because his his his songs have a great beat in

1866
01:26:19,680 --> 01:26:21,960
Speaker 7: there pop but they're also R and B and they're

1867
01:26:22,000 --> 01:26:23,559
Speaker 7: a little bit of hip hop and he has that

1868
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:27,200
Speaker 7: ability to kind of rap sing through them, and his

1869
01:26:27,280 --> 01:26:30,160
Speaker 7: storyline is a great So I'm a fan of post Malone.

1870
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:32,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, he's He's great And I think the weekend

1871
01:26:32,320 --> 01:26:35,040
Speaker 2: is what I feel like. That's what Michael Jackson's music

1872
01:26:35,040 --> 01:26:36,920
Speaker 2: would have evolved to. Yeah, like a lot of his

1873
01:26:37,000 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 2: songs like, oh, that's been a great Michael song. Uh well, Johnny,

1874
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:45,639
Speaker 2: it's been nice catching up. That's that was easy, right, Yeah,

1875
01:26:49,360 --> 01:26:52,120
Speaker 2: that's the next time you read that. But yeah, I mean,

1876
01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:53,759
Speaker 2: thank you so much for coming on. Is there anything

1877
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:56,360
Speaker 2: you would like to tell all these fandoms out there

1878
01:26:56,360 --> 01:26:59,479
Speaker 2: that have all come together. I'm doing uh, the world

1879
01:26:59,520 --> 01:27:02,559
Speaker 2: a favor by you know, bringing everyone together. No more

1880
01:27:02,600 --> 01:27:05,400
Speaker 2: fighting amongst all the groups and all the fans. We're

1881
01:27:05,439 --> 01:27:08,040
Speaker 2: all one happy family now, that's it. So what would

1882
01:27:08,040 --> 01:27:08,720
Speaker 2: you like to tell them?

1883
01:27:09,479 --> 01:27:09,639
Speaker 3: Oh?

1884
01:27:10,160 --> 01:27:13,840
Speaker 7: God, just like, you know, support all the music that's

1885
01:27:13,840 --> 01:27:17,120
Speaker 7: out there, you know, I guess for those that are

1886
01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:20,760
Speaker 7: nineties boy band fans, don't forget about the up and

1887
01:27:20,800 --> 01:27:21,759
Speaker 7: coming boy bands.

1888
01:27:21,880 --> 01:27:25,400
Speaker 3: And again and if you have kids, support them, supporting those.

1889
01:27:25,479 --> 01:27:28,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, there will always be tweens. It will always be tweens.

1890
01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:33,280
Speaker 2: Let's go, Well, it's been great doing this and uh yeah,

1891
01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:35,840
Speaker 2: we're gonna turn the tables on me. So yeah, you

1892
01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:37,479
Speaker 2: get me some questions.

1893
01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:40,519
Speaker 3: Remember, be nice being now, Actually you can do whatever

1894
01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:41,000
Speaker 3: you want.

1895
01:27:41,360 --> 01:27:43,200
Speaker 2: All right, guys, that is all the show I have

1896
01:27:43,320 --> 01:27:44,960
Speaker 2: for you. Thank you so much for listening. You can

1897
01:27:45,000 --> 01:27:47,360
Speaker 2: always subscribe and all that kind of good stuff. And

1898
01:27:47,439 --> 01:27:50,400
Speaker 2: remember to go listen to my other podcasts, our script

1899
01:27:50,400 --> 01:27:53,400
Speaker 2: the ones we have Ingle Side in which has been great.

1900
01:27:53,439 --> 01:27:56,640
Speaker 2: It is now number ten in the world Killing and then, uh,

1901
01:27:56,800 --> 01:28:00,240
Speaker 2: what's the other work? Got Babel Soviet? So this is

1902
01:28:00,240 --> 01:28:04,960
Speaker 2: also in the top is that Last Soviet is a

1903
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:09,240
Speaker 2: true story about Sergei Krkolev. He's a cosmonaut that got

1904
01:28:09,320 --> 01:28:12,200
Speaker 2: stuck up in space for three hundred and thirteen days

1905
01:28:12,240 --> 01:28:15,839
Speaker 2: as communism fell in Russia. So he's literally the last Soviet.

1906
01:28:16,640 --> 01:28:21,840
Speaker 2: It's just a fascinating story, fascinating your adventures to well

1907
01:28:21,320 --> 01:28:24,519
Speaker 2: it does it weaves it all in Okay, Yeah, you'll

1908
01:28:24,560 --> 01:28:26,720
Speaker 2: see why they asked me to host it, because we

1909
01:28:26,760 --> 01:28:29,679
Speaker 2: do weave our stories and the parallels we both had

1910
01:28:29,680 --> 01:28:32,120
Speaker 2: are just it's it's crazy like I got to live

1911
01:28:32,160 --> 01:28:34,719
Speaker 2: what he lived, We had the same professors, we've had everything.

1912
01:28:35,760 --> 01:28:37,479
Speaker 2: So yeah, it was it was fun to do that one.

1913
01:28:37,680 --> 01:28:40,920
Speaker 7: So before you sign off, if you had that opportunity

1914
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:42,439
Speaker 7: to do it again, now, would.

1915
01:28:42,280 --> 01:28:45,000
Speaker 3: You do it with going to space? Oh?

1916
01:28:45,080 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 2: Yes, one hundred I refuse. I know now, you know,

1917
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:52,000
Speaker 2: I don't have to really think about it, because like

1918
01:28:52,080 --> 01:28:54,439
Speaker 2: this is just like hopeful thinking. But like now that

1919
01:28:54,479 --> 01:28:56,559
Speaker 2: I have kids, I would have to really like, Okay,

1920
01:28:56,560 --> 01:28:59,439
Speaker 2: do I really want to do this. My thing is

1921
01:29:00,040 --> 01:29:02,439
Speaker 2: I would want to still go on the Soyas with

1922
01:29:02,520 --> 01:29:05,759
Speaker 2: Russia because that's what I'm trained on, that's what I trust.

1923
01:29:07,000 --> 01:29:08,679
Speaker 2: They have a way better you know, track record, They've

1924
01:29:08,680 --> 01:29:10,680
Speaker 2: been doing it for decades. I want to get to

1925
01:29:10,680 --> 01:29:12,640
Speaker 2: the ISS and do my experiments, and I want to

1926
01:29:12,680 --> 01:29:14,160
Speaker 2: like really do what I was going to do. It's

1927
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:15,880
Speaker 2: not just to go up and float around of space

1928
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:17,439
Speaker 2: and come back down. For you to say that, So

1929
01:29:17,560 --> 01:29:20,360
Speaker 2: Jeff Bezos, if he gave me a free ticket, sure,

1930
01:29:21,280 --> 01:29:24,680
Speaker 2: they've all offered me one to pay for. I'm like,

1931
01:29:25,280 --> 01:29:27,040
Speaker 2: and they're like, oh, yeah, it's only twenty million dollar,

1932
01:29:27,040 --> 01:29:32,120
Speaker 2: like twenty million dollars just into space for forty five minutes.

1933
01:29:32,360 --> 01:29:34,920
Speaker 2: Hell no, should be giving me a free ticket because

1934
01:29:34,920 --> 01:29:39,000
Speaker 2: I'm the one to help start the space. Yeah, give

1935
01:29:39,040 --> 01:29:42,680
Speaker 2: me the space, But yeah, I would like to get

1936
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:45,880
Speaker 2: to the ISS that That's that's my goal. And you

1937
01:29:45,960 --> 01:29:48,200
Speaker 2: know that's a hard one now because there's a huge

1938
01:29:48,240 --> 01:29:51,400
Speaker 2: line of people trying to get up there, so it

1939
01:29:51,439 --> 01:29:53,880
Speaker 2: would have to be a sponsored you know, you'd have

1940
01:29:53,880 --> 01:29:55,559
Speaker 2: to go with a medical company or something like that,

1941
01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:58,880
Speaker 2: you know, to do their experiments. But maybe one day

1942
01:29:59,080 --> 01:30:01,200
Speaker 2: before I'm too old. Bucket list, Yeah, like a list.

1943
01:30:01,840 --> 01:30:04,240
Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll put you up in space, like during that

1944
01:30:04,280 --> 01:30:04,960
Speaker 5: week before you.

1945
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:08,519
Speaker 4: Die when you're when you're old.

1946
01:30:08,880 --> 01:30:10,400
Speaker 6: Actually send you off into space.

1947
01:30:10,400 --> 01:30:10,760
Speaker 3: There you go.

1948
01:30:10,960 --> 01:30:14,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, if I if I'm in hospital, yeah, just send

1949
01:30:14,040 --> 01:30:16,200
Speaker 2: me up and just let just keep let you just

1950
01:30:16,280 --> 01:30:16,720
Speaker 2: keep me going.

1951
01:30:16,760 --> 01:30:18,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, I bet you'd love to just flow.

1952
01:30:18,200 --> 01:30:20,519
Speaker 7: You know what, going up there under hospice. You might

1953
01:30:20,600 --> 01:30:21,160
Speaker 7: be cured.

1954
01:30:21,400 --> 01:30:24,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, you might come back like.

1955
01:30:23,400 --> 01:30:28,000
Speaker 2: Wait, we can't get you back now I'm heading to Mars.

1956
01:30:29,840 --> 01:30:31,960
Speaker 2: But yeah, okay, I need this to happen.

1957
01:30:32,040 --> 01:30:33,320
Speaker 6: Okay, I'll call the lawyers.

1958
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:33,960
Speaker 3: I put it in the world.

1959
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1960
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