1 00:00:04,440 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 1: Hello everybody, and welcome back to the Psychology of Your Twenties, 2 00:00:09,920 --> 00:00:12,280 Speaker 1: the podcast where we talk through some of the big 3 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: life changes and transitions of our twenties and what they 4 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:25,720 Speaker 1: mean for our psychology. Hello everybody, Welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:30,320 Speaker 1: Welcome back to the podcast, new listeners, old listeners. Wherever 6 00:00:30,360 --> 00:00:32,360 Speaker 1: you are in the world, it is so great to 7 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 1: have you here back for another episode. Thanks for tuning in, 8 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 1: Thanks for tagging along. If you have been following me 9 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: on Instagram following my travels recently, you'll know that I 10 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: decided to take two months off and just really like 11 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: go on a holiday, somewhat of a holiday. Some of 12 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,960 Speaker 1: it was for work, but mainly for like kind of 13 00:00:56,960 --> 00:00:59,240 Speaker 1: like leisure and pleasure and you know, just to kind 14 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: of see new things. I feel like a lot of 15 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: us are at this moment making up for the travel 16 00:01:06,040 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 1: that we couldn't do during the pandemic, especially if you're 17 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:12,800 Speaker 1: in your twenties or even your thirties. There are so 18 00:01:12,880 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: many people right now who I think are feeling almost 19 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:19,920 Speaker 1: like so many of their initial plans for what they 20 00:01:19,959 --> 00:01:24,880 Speaker 1: wanted in their twenties were interrupted by COVID, by the pandemic. 21 00:01:24,959 --> 00:01:28,119 Speaker 1: You know, naturally, people were super sick, people were dying. 22 00:01:28,160 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 1: We did know what was going on. Everything was kind 23 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: of shut down. And the thing is is that each 24 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:38,000 Speaker 1: of us individually had a plan during that time that 25 00:01:38,160 --> 00:01:42,759 Speaker 1: maybe involved some form of travel, and that plan was restricted, 26 00:01:42,800 --> 00:01:44,840 Speaker 1: it was interrupted, And so now we're kind of like 27 00:01:45,480 --> 00:01:48,040 Speaker 1: making up for that time that we missed and like 28 00:01:48,120 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: flocking overseas in our thousands, myself included, I went to 29 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,440 Speaker 1: the US for four weeks with my sister and then 30 00:01:55,800 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: Japan for five weeks, the first week with my family, 31 00:01:59,120 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: which honestly, traveling with family has its own unique psychology 32 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,160 Speaker 1: that is for another time, another day. But I then 33 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:13,079 Speaker 1: did the last remaining four weeks with my boyfriend. Well 34 00:02:13,120 --> 00:02:16,919 Speaker 1: that was the intention, but we actually ended up leaving 35 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: a week early, and the main reason for that was 36 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:24,400 Speaker 1: because of travel burnout and travel fatigue, which I didn't 37 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: know was possible. I had never heard of this happening. 38 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 1: And travel burnout, I have since learned essentially occurs when 39 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:35,520 Speaker 1: you have been traveling too hard for too long. You 40 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: become incredibly tired, anxious, indecisive. You maybe resort to sleeping 41 00:02:42,520 --> 00:02:44,799 Speaker 1: a lot more than you like to, avoiding parts of 42 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: a city, crying a lot, more, an array of different symptoms, 43 00:02:49,760 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: And I think what happened was that I pushed myself 44 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 1: too hard. It was by far the longest trip I 45 00:02:55,919 --> 00:02:59,240 Speaker 1: have ever done, almost double what I had done before, 46 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:02,680 Speaker 1: and I I was hit with basically what I can 47 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:09,720 Speaker 1: only describe as just intense mental, emotional, physical exhaustion. And 48 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 1: I hit like a fork in the road, you know, 49 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:16,960 Speaker 1: stay and struggle and maybe not enjoy this, or leave 50 00:03:17,320 --> 00:03:20,240 Speaker 1: and maybe resent my decision, but at least I'll be 51 00:03:20,280 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 1: back home in my routine where I can kind of 52 00:03:23,320 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: switch off for a few days before getting back to work. 53 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:28,119 Speaker 1: That was another component of it. We were like, we're 54 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: gonna go on this like two month trip and then 55 00:03:30,120 --> 00:03:33,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna go back to work two days later. You know. 56 00:03:33,080 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: It was just like very I think for someone who 57 00:03:36,720 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: loves routine and for someone who is such a planner 58 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,600 Speaker 1: and who really needs rest and who needs time for 59 00:03:43,720 --> 00:03:47,800 Speaker 1: kind of like a mental reset, it was too much 60 00:03:48,080 --> 00:03:50,720 Speaker 1: and we decided to leave early. Obviously, that is a 61 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 1: very serious conclusion that we reached. But I think it 62 00:03:53,760 --> 00:03:57,360 Speaker 1: really got to the point where because I had ignored 63 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 1: so many of the signs and early indicators travel burnout. 64 00:04:01,360 --> 00:04:04,480 Speaker 1: There really wasn't another solution. I just let so many 65 00:04:04,520 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: small grievances build up. I didn't take time to rest. 66 00:04:08,320 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: I wanted to just really soak as much of the 67 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: trip up as possible, and I just didn't have the 68 00:04:14,480 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 1: travel experience to know that you could overdo it, right, Like, 69 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: holidays and travel are always something in our minds to 70 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: look forward to, but that kind of means that we 71 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: forget like the key principle of everything in life, which 72 00:04:29,279 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 1: is that balance is key and even too much of 73 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: a good thing can turn bad. And it's honestly given 74 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:40,680 Speaker 1: me such a new found appreciation for the people who 75 00:04:40,680 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: can travel for months, even years at a time, living 76 00:04:44,279 --> 00:04:48,560 Speaker 1: out of a backpack in hostels. One of my best friends, Gracie, 77 00:04:48,680 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 1: is like one of those restless, roving spirits, and it 78 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: just gave me like a complete new respect for what 79 00:04:55,960 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: she does, how much mental energy it requires. Travel burnout 80 00:05:01,160 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: got me really good, and I want to talk about it. 81 00:05:03,000 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: It felt like at the time that my fatigue was 82 00:05:06,480 --> 00:05:11,239 Speaker 1: like the ultimate ingratitude, you know. It was like feeling 83 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:17,520 Speaker 1: weary of this experience felt so almost like shameful and 84 00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 1: like embarrassing. I'm seeing a world that people dream about 85 00:05:20,920 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: on like a once in a lifetime trip. But I'm 86 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: also just so tired that I cannot even get out 87 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,360 Speaker 1: of bed. I cannot even enjoy it. Everything almost feels 88 00:05:29,400 --> 00:05:32,480 Speaker 1: like a form of punishment. And I think with any 89 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:36,799 Speaker 1: experience like that, any emotional experience that seems a little 90 00:05:36,800 --> 00:05:40,279 Speaker 1: bit contradictory or confusing, there's always going to be some 91 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 1: interesting psychology and kind of perspective on it. There's always 92 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: going to be an explanation. Of course. I went looking 93 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,880 Speaker 1: for it, and I was not disappointed by I think 94 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: what some of the science reveals about our deeper human 95 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:58,240 Speaker 1: need and how that kind of translates into why we 96 00:05:58,360 --> 00:06:01,440 Speaker 1: have this experience of being burned out from too much 97 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:10,200 Speaker 1: of a good thing. So I say we get into it. Firstly, 98 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: I want to say one thing loud and clear before 99 00:06:12,640 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: we begin. Travel is an absolute, without a doubt privilege. 100 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 1: It is also just genuinely really good for us. Like 101 00:06:23,240 --> 00:06:25,920 Speaker 1: I know in this episode we're going to be talking 102 00:06:25,960 --> 00:06:29,360 Speaker 1: a lot more about the negative side of it, but really, 103 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: if you can travel, if you have the ability, there 104 00:06:32,240 --> 00:06:34,960 Speaker 1: is no reason why you shouldn't. It has been shown 105 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:38,640 Speaker 1: to improve so much about our lives and our self development, 106 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: our resilience, our confidence, our happiness. It even lessens anxiety 107 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:46,920 Speaker 1: to an extent. It's a really big list of the benefits. 108 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 1: It's obviously been lauded and celebrated for years. Is like 109 00:06:50,160 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: a really amazing thing. It creates adventures, it creates new memories. 110 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:55,839 Speaker 1: I don't think I need to go on. There's no 111 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 1: denying those things, right, And I think it goes without 112 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:02,240 Speaker 1: saying that I am incredibly grateful just for the opportunity 113 00:07:02,279 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 1: to be able to consider travel as part of my life. 114 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:09,520 Speaker 1: So many people don't have that option. And maybe you're thinking, Okay, 115 00:07:09,520 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 1: we're talking about travel burnout, when you know there are 116 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:15,720 Speaker 1: millions of people suffering the world. And my biggest problem 117 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 1: is that I have too much travel. I have thought 118 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 1: about that extensively, trust me. But I also believe that 119 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:26,720 Speaker 1: that acknowledgment of the innate privilege of travel, and the 120 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: subsequent guilt for not valuing it entirely even when you're exhausted, 121 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,600 Speaker 1: actually contributes to a deeper level of fatigue and a 122 00:07:35,640 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: deeper level of I think, just overall exhaustion because you 123 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:43,760 Speaker 1: don't want to take it for granted, so you force 124 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: yourself to endure a lot of situations and stress and 125 00:07:47,520 --> 00:07:51,240 Speaker 1: experiences that actually maybe aren't that glamorous or aren't that 126 00:07:51,320 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: good for you. Secondly, when I was thinking about this 127 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 1: thing of like, is travel burnout even worth talking about 128 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: considering that there are so many bigger problems, I think 129 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: minimizing emotions by saying people have it worse or different 130 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,200 Speaker 1: does nobody any good. We know that, and when you're 131 00:08:09,240 --> 00:08:13,320 Speaker 1: in the moment, in that moment of like really carrying 132 00:08:13,360 --> 00:08:17,640 Speaker 1: some big emotions, someone else might have it worse. They 133 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:21,440 Speaker 1: probably do, But that doesn't in any way less than 134 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: your discomfort. It doesn't change your situation. It can still 135 00:08:26,440 --> 00:08:30,040 Speaker 1: be subjectively hard. So we are going to move forward 136 00:08:30,080 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: with just an acknowledgment that what we're talking about is 137 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:36,040 Speaker 1: based on something we are incredibly lucky to be able 138 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:39,120 Speaker 1: to do. But there are still hard moments. There are 139 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: still hard points that impact us psychologically and mentally. So travel, 140 00:08:45,920 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: going overseas, going on a going on a vacation, embarking 141 00:08:50,040 --> 00:08:53,040 Speaker 1: on like this once in a lifetime adventure, seeing different 142 00:08:53,040 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 1: cultures and environments, new people, new scenery. I think in 143 00:08:56,880 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: our day and age, is one of those like quintessential 144 00:09:00,240 --> 00:09:03,960 Speaker 1: experiences that many of us really want to have in 145 00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:07,960 Speaker 1: our twenties. For many of us, it's part of that dream, 146 00:09:08,080 --> 00:09:12,760 Speaker 1: the dream, the idea of the glamor that we perceive 147 00:09:12,880 --> 00:09:16,240 Speaker 1: this decade as having. You know, it's this time to travel, 148 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:19,559 Speaker 1: It's this time to experience the world before life gets 149 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: too big and too busy and there's children, and there's mortgages, 150 00:09:23,440 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 1: and there's obligations. Our twenties are quite frankly, I talk 151 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: about this a lot sold to us as a decade 152 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:33,240 Speaker 1: of freedom of adventure, and a core component of that 153 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: is getting out there, seeing as many places as you can. 154 00:09:37,240 --> 00:09:39,880 Speaker 1: And I think that comes in a bunch of different forms, 155 00:09:39,920 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 1: a bunch of different versions of this stream, whether that 156 00:09:43,760 --> 00:09:46,640 Speaker 1: is going on a gap year that's a huge one, 157 00:09:47,120 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 1: studying abroad, or like the Big Trip is what I 158 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 1: call it, like six months or more of backpacking, something 159 00:09:54,960 --> 00:09:58,160 Speaker 1: of the sort. And I think there's a few main 160 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: reasons why these kinds of g and adventures have really 161 00:10:01,520 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 1: been romanticized. Firstly, a big part of it comes back 162 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,719 Speaker 1: to our parents. We think about the stories that they 163 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:09,959 Speaker 1: told us of their travels when they are our age, 164 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:12,679 Speaker 1: and we want that for ourselves. It looks really amazing, 165 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 1: it looks really cool, it looks really identity for me, 166 00:10:15,960 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: or if we had parents or families who didn't necessarily 167 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 1: have the opportunity to do that. We kind of want 168 00:10:23,520 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: to break that chain. We want to be the one 169 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:30,439 Speaker 1: who shows I don't know the world, that we can 170 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:32,440 Speaker 1: do it, Like who says that it doesn't matter if 171 00:10:32,760 --> 00:10:35,079 Speaker 1: my family didn't grow up doing this, like I still 172 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: have I still have a right to have this experience. 173 00:10:39,400 --> 00:10:42,520 Speaker 1: We also see a lot of content these days about 174 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 1: travel all over social media, friends, influences, celebrities. All of 175 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: it is incredibly glamorized and it looks amazing, and I 176 00:10:55,320 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 1: think that's what we want for ourselves. But anytime we 177 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 1: base our expectations on someone else's experiences, I think we 178 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: are unfortunately going to fall short of what we desire. 179 00:11:06,480 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 1: I don't need to tell you that, but a lot 180 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:12,400 Speaker 1: of what we see online is far from the full truth. 181 00:11:12,800 --> 00:11:15,920 Speaker 1: And with the stories that are passed down from parents 182 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,199 Speaker 1: and friends, they are told from the point of hindsight, 183 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:26,319 Speaker 1: and hindsight always makes everything look so much more beautiful. 184 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 1: The stories are always going to be more golden because 185 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:32,960 Speaker 1: we only really remember the good things, so what we 186 00:11:33,000 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: are basing our expectations on when we go traveling, when 187 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: we embark on this huge trip of a lifetime or 188 00:11:38,480 --> 00:11:42,079 Speaker 1: whatever it is that you're planning or doing. We base 189 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 1: our expectations on a false narrative at times, and when 190 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:48,400 Speaker 1: reality is different, I think we can be really disappointed. 191 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:53,520 Speaker 1: And because it is so romanticized, we have so many expectations, 192 00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:56,559 Speaker 1: not just in terms of the quality of the trip, 193 00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,599 Speaker 1: that's one part of it, but also the quantity of 194 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:04,080 Speaker 1: ex experiences and how much we should be doing. We 195 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 1: want to do everything. We want to make sure it's 196 00:12:06,720 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 1: worth it. It's also because travel is expensive, you know, 197 00:12:10,520 --> 00:12:14,120 Speaker 1: Like I have this problem where I can never justify 198 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:18,719 Speaker 1: rest days when I'm traveling because I've flown so far 199 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:22,880 Speaker 1: paid for such an expensive ticket, especially being from Australia, 200 00:12:23,000 --> 00:12:26,080 Speaker 1: that it would be a waste to not finish every 201 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 1: day with like twenty things ticked off my bucket list. 202 00:12:30,120 --> 00:12:33,520 Speaker 1: But I think the downside of that is twofold we 203 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,800 Speaker 1: think that this is going to make our trip better. 204 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:41,359 Speaker 1: It can actually have the inverse effect. When you overplan 205 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: a trip, I think you miss some of the best 206 00:12:43,600 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 1: moments that are like hidden in the times in the 207 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,400 Speaker 1: place is where you take it easy, like the serendipity 208 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:52,440 Speaker 1: of taking a day to just walk the city like 209 00:12:52,480 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 1: a local. One of my favorite days when we were 210 00:12:55,000 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 1: in Curator was honestly when we were just like, we 211 00:12:57,960 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 1: don't want to go to another temple, Like we don't 212 00:13:00,800 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: want to stand in another queue of thousands of people, 213 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,199 Speaker 1: thousands of tourists. So we just explored. We just wanted 214 00:13:06,320 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: We had nowhere to be, we had nowhere to go. 215 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: We didn't use maps, and we saw the most beautiful, 216 00:13:11,600 --> 00:13:14,760 Speaker 1: beautiful things. We found the most beautiful restaurants, And I 217 00:13:14,760 --> 00:13:17,520 Speaker 1: think we would have missed that if we had stuck 218 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,880 Speaker 1: to the schedule, if we had let ourselves be really, 219 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: I think held up by the fact that we needed 220 00:13:24,800 --> 00:13:27,760 Speaker 1: to do all the things that everyone was recommending us. 221 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 1: I think secondly, though, you also exhaust yourself to the 222 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: point where you cannot even enjoy the experience anymore because 223 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,319 Speaker 1: you are doing too much and you are mentally drained. 224 00:13:39,960 --> 00:13:42,920 Speaker 1: And then you feel guilty for not enjoying the experience 225 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:47,200 Speaker 1: because you have drained yourself from doing things every day. 226 00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:50,000 Speaker 1: But that's the paradox, right, because the more you do, 227 00:13:50,440 --> 00:13:52,920 Speaker 1: the more exhausted you are. The less you want to do, 228 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:55,440 Speaker 1: the more guilty you feel, the more you feel you 229 00:13:55,440 --> 00:13:58,280 Speaker 1: need to do. Like it's a whole cycle where because 230 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:00,800 Speaker 1: we feel so much privilege around being able to travel, 231 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 1: because it is such a glamorous experience, because it has 232 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: sold to us as being this like life defying, like 233 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:13,600 Speaker 1: identity forming, incredible experience. Like if we're not getting everything, 234 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:16,959 Speaker 1: every possible morsel out of it, we're doing it wrong. 235 00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:20,240 Speaker 1: And I think right there we have highlighted probably one 236 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: of the main reasons we experience travel burnout. Quite simply, 237 00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,280 Speaker 1: you are doing too much for whatever reason. Maybe you 238 00:14:28,360 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: only have a short amount of time in each location. 239 00:14:31,320 --> 00:14:34,400 Speaker 1: Maybe it is that guilt we were speaking about. You're 240 00:14:34,400 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: with a big group of people who just want to 241 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: cram everything in whatever it is. You will hit a 242 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:42,160 Speaker 1: mental wall and you'll probably hit a physical and an 243 00:14:42,200 --> 00:14:46,120 Speaker 1: emotional wall pretty soon afterwards. Here is why that happens. 244 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:51,920 Speaker 1: Travel is so different to our daily kind of status quo. 245 00:14:52,320 --> 00:14:56,360 Speaker 1: In your daily life, you would not be doing as 246 00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:59,440 Speaker 1: much as you do whilst you're on holiday. I actually 247 00:14:59,520 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: was thinking about this and I was talking about it 248 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: with a friend. You probably do a maximum of three 249 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: things you wake up, you have breakfast, you go to work, 250 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: You come home, maybe you work out, maybe you see friends, 251 00:15:09,160 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 1: you go to bed. That's about five days of a 252 00:15:11,240 --> 00:15:14,000 Speaker 1: week if you're working full time, right and then on 253 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: weekends you might do a little bit more, but it's 254 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: only two days of a week, so you have time 255 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:21,800 Speaker 1: to recover. Then, when we are transported into kind of 256 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 1: like our travel versions of ourselves, we are hitting multiple 257 00:15:26,440 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 1: tourist attractions. We are shopping, we are walking twenty thousand 258 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,120 Speaker 1: steps a day. We are eating new food, meeting new people, 259 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,720 Speaker 1: people who might not speak the same language as us. 260 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: We are learning a new city, a new environment, jumping 261 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 1: from this place to that, and then you are jetla 262 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 1: like onto that and things go wrong that At home, 263 00:15:43,200 --> 00:15:45,520 Speaker 1: you would have time to deal with if your wallet 264 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: got stolen, you got a nasty flu, you would know 265 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: what to do, You would know what medications to buy, 266 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:54,040 Speaker 1: you go to the doctor. You have a safe space 267 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:58,560 Speaker 1: your home to come home to unrest, and we don't 268 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: have that. When we're traveling. Everything is kind of uprooted. 269 00:16:03,200 --> 00:16:05,560 Speaker 1: You are like turning the dial of your life from 270 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:08,400 Speaker 1: like ninety percent to like one hundred and fifty percent, 271 00:16:08,440 --> 00:16:11,120 Speaker 1: Like you're just turning it all up. And it's really 272 00:16:11,120 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: interesting because one of the only real papers written about 273 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 1: travel burnout that is in the world, it explored that 274 00:16:19,200 --> 00:16:23,160 Speaker 1: exact thing. When we are away from home, our sense 275 00:16:23,440 --> 00:16:27,920 Speaker 1: of self efficacy is naturally lowered. So self efficacy is 276 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:32,760 Speaker 1: this concept in psychology that basically refers to our belief 277 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:36,560 Speaker 1: and our ability to solve problems, in our ability to 278 00:16:36,640 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 1: overcome challenges. If you have high self efficacy, you have 279 00:16:41,480 --> 00:16:44,160 Speaker 1: a strong belief in your ability to kind of exert 280 00:16:44,200 --> 00:16:48,520 Speaker 1: control over your behaviors, your choices, your emotions, your environment. 281 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: You feel mentally capable of dealing with things. And that 282 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: self efficacy is bolstered by familiarity, by repetition, by practice, 283 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:01,640 Speaker 1: by confidence. But when we are away from home and 284 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 1: the structure that it provides, that ability to solve problems 285 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,360 Speaker 1: is lowered once again because everything is so new to us. 286 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,399 Speaker 1: And I think that it is that novelty and all 287 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:16,960 Speaker 1: those new experiences that also becomes emotionally taxing after a while, 288 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:22,919 Speaker 1: each of us has an inbuilt limit around what we 289 00:17:23,040 --> 00:17:27,440 Speaker 1: can tolerate, how much change we can tolerate, how much novelty, 290 00:17:27,880 --> 00:17:32,639 Speaker 1: how much activity. It's different for everyone, but everyone has 291 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: a limit here and after a certain time, maybe it's 292 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:38,639 Speaker 1: after three weeks, maybe it's after two months, six months, 293 00:17:38,680 --> 00:17:43,719 Speaker 1: whatever it is, we are hardwired to crave home and 294 00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: to crave what we call creature comforts. There's been some 295 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:51,640 Speaker 1: really interesting research on this concept of a creature comfort, 296 00:17:52,160 --> 00:17:56,439 Speaker 1: and basically one article it was written like almost ten 297 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,919 Speaker 1: years ago. What it explored was this kind of this 298 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: safety that is provided by home, and it found that 299 00:18:04,160 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: humans naturally need a space that is familiar to them. 300 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:14,960 Speaker 1: They are soothed by an environment that feels safe and normal, 301 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 1: and at some stage we will want to return to 302 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:22,280 Speaker 1: that domestic environment for even a few days, because in 303 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:26,120 Speaker 1: that environment there is nothing new, there is nothing scary, 304 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: there is nothing to be alert to. Everything is comfortable, 305 00:18:30,000 --> 00:18:33,440 Speaker 1: and some people can suppress that urge, but it's still 306 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: going to be there. The desire for routine, for familiarity, 307 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: for security, that is always going to be something that 308 00:18:41,040 --> 00:18:44,640 Speaker 1: is kind of contained in our DNA as humans. The 309 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: call of home is kind of going to get louder. 310 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 1: I also found it. I found this quite interesting though, 311 00:18:49,640 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 1: because when I was looking into this, there are some 312 00:18:51,520 --> 00:18:55,720 Speaker 1: people who sometimes just don't feel that way. As extremely 313 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: rare as they are if you've ever seen the film 314 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:04,600 Speaker 1: Into the Wild, I would greatly recommend great it's amazing. 315 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,800 Speaker 1: But the main character, Chris, is actually a really good 316 00:19:07,880 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: example of this. Some people I don't know whether they 317 00:19:11,640 --> 00:19:15,400 Speaker 1: were born, whether they were made to be like almost nomads, 318 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:17,840 Speaker 1: they don't need a place to call home, but they 319 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: are such rare individuals. And I think something I always say, 320 00:19:21,800 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: and it doesn't just relate to travel burnout or travel 321 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,159 Speaker 1: or whatever, is that you can't force yourself into a 322 00:19:27,240 --> 00:19:30,440 Speaker 1: version of you that belongs to someone else. So there 323 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:33,720 Speaker 1: are people out there who can live a nomadic, crazy 324 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:37,280 Speaker 1: like adventurous lifestyle, never needing to have a place to 325 00:19:37,320 --> 00:19:39,919 Speaker 1: call home, always on the road, And you might like 326 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 1: the idea of that, but it doesn't necessarily mean that 327 00:19:42,400 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 1: you are that person. I think that it can still 328 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,560 Speaker 1: be incredibly lonely, and anybody that you talk to who 329 00:19:48,600 --> 00:19:51,359 Speaker 1: has been traveling for a long time will tell you 330 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: that it's not picture perfect, like they will have hard days. 331 00:19:55,240 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 1: The second reason, though, that travel burnout will eventually hit 332 00:19:59,680 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 1: kind of anyone who is on a long term, long 333 00:20:02,400 --> 00:20:06,160 Speaker 1: term travel holiday experience is because when we are traveling, 334 00:20:06,320 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: our brain is naturally working harder because it is constantly 335 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 1: being exposed to so much new stimuli, new smells, new sounds, 336 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 1: new scenery, everything in our normal life, we are used 337 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:23,760 Speaker 1: to what is around us in our in our everyday routine, 338 00:20:24,280 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 1: and that means that we can use these things called 339 00:20:26,560 --> 00:20:30,520 Speaker 1: cognitive shortcuts. So these are basically like automatic ways of 340 00:20:30,560 --> 00:20:34,280 Speaker 1: thinking that we use to make make decisions. So it 341 00:20:34,359 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: makes it so that when you see something and you 342 00:20:37,000 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: need to make a decision around it, you're a lot 343 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,320 Speaker 1: more efficient because you're accustomed to the environment in which 344 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,800 Speaker 1: you are receiving information. I'll give you an example, So 345 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 1: think about your commute home from work. I bet you 346 00:20:49,720 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 1: that if you've done that a few times, like you 347 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: might be at that point where it doesn't even feel 348 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,040 Speaker 1: like you know what's happening in your surroundings. It is 349 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: so automatic, it is so procedural to you. I was 350 00:21:02,960 --> 00:21:04,760 Speaker 1: talking to a friend and she was like, sometimes I 351 00:21:04,840 --> 00:21:06,800 Speaker 1: drive home and I literally get home and could not 352 00:21:06,880 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: tell you a single thing I saw on the road. 353 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:11,520 Speaker 1: It's because your brain can kind of switch off because 354 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:14,840 Speaker 1: it's so used to the environment. Whereas when you are, 355 00:21:15,080 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 1: for example, in a new country and you're trying to 356 00:21:17,440 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: drive in a new country or navigate public transport. Your 357 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: brain is so switched on because everything is new. We 358 00:21:25,160 --> 00:21:28,399 Speaker 1: have to use a lot more about mental energy in 359 00:21:28,440 --> 00:21:31,639 Speaker 1: those situations as well, because we cannot rely on the 360 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,800 Speaker 1: cognitive shortcuts that we use in our day to day life. 361 00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: We cannot rely on that repetition and procedural memory, you know, 362 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 1: that procedural automatic memory. When you are doing that for 363 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,119 Speaker 1: days on end, constantly being exposed to so many new things, 364 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,359 Speaker 1: it is going to be draining. And mental energy is 365 00:21:52,920 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 1: exactly like physical energy in that it can become depleted, 366 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 1: and when it becomes depleted, you need time to refill 367 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,679 Speaker 1: that source. Let's also account at this moment as well 368 00:22:05,720 --> 00:22:08,280 Speaker 1: for the lack of routine. You are probably not sleeping 369 00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:11,440 Speaker 1: as much as you do at home. You're not exercising 370 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: in the same way or as much. You're not eating 371 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 1: meals at the same time, you're not even eating the 372 00:22:17,240 --> 00:22:20,800 Speaker 1: same foods that you normally would. You're not operating on 373 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,760 Speaker 1: the same scale that you do as home. So we 374 00:22:24,800 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: know that routine reduces stress, it lessons anxiety. Without it, 375 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:32,199 Speaker 1: you know, chaos can feel like fun for a while, 376 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 1: but you're definitely going to crave that normalcy that we've 377 00:22:35,400 --> 00:22:38,359 Speaker 1: talked about again and again and again. You're gonna crave 378 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:41,959 Speaker 1: things that feel familiar, you know. Honestly, I was so 379 00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,959 Speaker 1: excited to get home and just like eat vegetables and 380 00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,320 Speaker 1: go into the office and like wake up and a 381 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 1: normal time. There was honestly a point when we were 382 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:54,120 Speaker 1: in Tokyo where I went to a convenience store and 383 00:22:54,160 --> 00:22:58,359 Speaker 1: I bought and ate a whole bag of cabbage. I 384 00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:00,960 Speaker 1: just ate it like on the street, because I was like, 385 00:23:01,040 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 1: I just need to eat something that I'm used to. 386 00:23:03,200 --> 00:23:05,920 Speaker 1: Didn't mean that I wasn't enjoying all those other experiences, 387 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,960 Speaker 1: and it's just that I feel like I am like 388 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:13,120 Speaker 1: a broken record here. But you do need a sense 389 00:23:13,160 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: of stability. No human can operate as nomadic as we 390 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:20,080 Speaker 1: think they can. And often I think we think of 391 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: our holiday as an escape from the routine, you know, 392 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:25,919 Speaker 1: escape from the monotony of daily life. But there are 393 00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: some elements that we shouldn't neglect, especially making time to 394 00:23:29,600 --> 00:23:32,200 Speaker 1: decompress or do things that you would do at home 395 00:23:32,280 --> 00:23:35,879 Speaker 1: to bring some sense of stability. And that stability also 396 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 1: allows us to return to mental homeostasis, so a mental 397 00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:47,680 Speaker 1: place of balance of security. One final experience I think 398 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 1: is also important to touch on, especially for my long 399 00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:55,880 Speaker 1: term travelers out there, my gap year babies. Maybe is homesickness, 400 00:23:56,160 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 1: Like I can't like this is such a huge factor 401 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:02,400 Speaker 1: when we talk about travel fatigue, so homesickness. I don't 402 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,200 Speaker 1: even feel like I need to give you a definition 403 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 1: of what this feels like, because if I asked you 404 00:24:06,960 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: to close your eyes and think about what homesickness felt like, 405 00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: I think all of us would be having a very 406 00:24:12,320 --> 00:24:16,160 Speaker 1: similar feeling. It's that longing in your chest. It's what 407 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 1: the Greeks actually called an nostalgic reaction. It comes from 408 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:23,199 Speaker 1: a place of love and attachment, the same way that 409 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 1: grief does as well. But it also causes a disruption 410 00:24:26,560 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 1: in our present environment if we let it infiltrate too 411 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,640 Speaker 1: much of our everyday experiences, if we let it take 412 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: us away from living in the moment whilst we're somewhere new. 413 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,640 Speaker 1: And there is a lot of research behind why we 414 00:24:40,720 --> 00:24:46,280 Speaker 1: experience that kind of profound longing for the place where 415 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:51,440 Speaker 1: we belong. Home and belonging and community is really precious. 416 00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,879 Speaker 1: It's like, I think one of the main things that 417 00:24:54,000 --> 00:24:57,560 Speaker 1: humans need to not just survive, but to thrive. And 418 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:00,200 Speaker 1: when we don't have that, and we also have a 419 00:25:00,240 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: low perceived control over our environment, when we are constantly 420 00:25:04,359 --> 00:25:08,280 Speaker 1: being exposed to novel, new things, it can actually manifest 421 00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,880 Speaker 1: in quite a few physical somatic symptoms. So they see 422 00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:14,680 Speaker 1: this a lot actually in research with young children at 423 00:25:14,680 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: boarding schools who have all of these like ailments and 424 00:25:18,920 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 1: illnesses of an unknown origin, sow stomachs, fatigue, irritability, constant crying, 425 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:29,240 Speaker 1: They complain about like aches and pains, and obviously when 426 00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:31,359 Speaker 1: you have a bunch of children who are suddenly ill 427 00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,000 Speaker 1: and in pain, it's something that you want to look into. 428 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: And what they found was that a lot of these 429 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:39,200 Speaker 1: kids actually have no most of them have no physical 430 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:43,880 Speaker 1: signs of pain or trauma. It's actually their emotions having 431 00:25:43,920 --> 00:25:49,000 Speaker 1: a physiological impact on our bodies. It is our emotions 432 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:53,119 Speaker 1: trying to communicate with us like something is wrong, something 433 00:25:53,200 --> 00:25:57,600 Speaker 1: is missing, something isn't right. It's almost like a homing beacon, 434 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:00,600 Speaker 1: like it's telling us, like go back to what we know. 435 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:04,880 Speaker 1: This is causing discomfort because emotionally I'm not feeling stable 436 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,959 Speaker 1: and that creates a physical instability as well. So I 437 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,640 Speaker 1: think those are the major contributing factors to travel burnout. 438 00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: Number one. Obviously, sometimes you're just doing too much and 439 00:26:16,800 --> 00:26:21,879 Speaker 1: you're going to deplete your physical, mental, emotional resources. Number 440 00:26:21,880 --> 00:26:25,879 Speaker 1: two is the novelty of these new experiences actually takes 441 00:26:26,080 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 1: a lot more. It is a lot more taxing for 442 00:26:28,600 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: our brains because we cannot use those cognitive shortcuts that 443 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:36,800 Speaker 1: we normally use at home. And finally, it's homesickness. It's 444 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: a craving for what they call our creature comforts. I 445 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:43,800 Speaker 1: think that is all fine and good to understand, But 446 00:26:43,880 --> 00:26:46,840 Speaker 1: a deeper question you probably have if you are listening 447 00:26:46,840 --> 00:26:49,560 Speaker 1: to this episode is what do I do about it? 448 00:26:50,040 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 1: What can I do? My mom my dream trip, I'm 449 00:26:53,200 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: my gap year. I want to go home, but I 450 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:58,400 Speaker 1: don't want to go home, like I just feel this need. 451 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: What is there to do? What is the solution? Well, 452 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: I want to talk about that and more after this 453 00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: short break. One of the worst things you can do 454 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:16,040 Speaker 1: when I think you're feeling any kind of negative emotion 455 00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 1: is to shame yourself for it. Obviously, you don't want 456 00:27:20,960 --> 00:27:23,000 Speaker 1: to be feeling this way. If you had a choice 457 00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:25,480 Speaker 1: about it, you would not be, do you know what 458 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:28,200 Speaker 1: I mean? Like, I feel like something that I find 459 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: quite frustrating is when people shame other people for an 460 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,639 Speaker 1: emotion that they actually don't have control over, where if 461 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 1: they had the solution, if they had the antidote, they 462 00:27:38,680 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 1: would gladly take it, They would gladly move on from 463 00:27:42,000 --> 00:27:45,159 Speaker 1: this feeling. And I think travel burnout is one of 464 00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: those feelings where we feel a lot of anger at 465 00:27:48,760 --> 00:27:52,760 Speaker 1: ourselves almost for not enjoying our trip. But I don't 466 00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,760 Speaker 1: want that to ruin it for you. I think that 467 00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:59,520 Speaker 1: whilst you can't control the physical, mental emotional reaction you're having, 468 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:03,320 Speaker 1: you can control your response to it. And I think 469 00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 1: it is a mindset that you can get out of, 470 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:08,639 Speaker 1: that you can recover from. But it is going to 471 00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 1: take like some actual steps. It is going to take 472 00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 1: you actually suppressing what your guilt is telling you to 473 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:18,440 Speaker 1: do by doing the things that are actually going to 474 00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:21,440 Speaker 1: help you. I think if we sit too much in 475 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 1: the feeling of like keep trying to keep pushing, trying 476 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 1: to push through exhaustion to a point of like I 477 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:30,800 Speaker 1: don't know, catharsis, or like to a point of like 478 00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:34,000 Speaker 1: greater mental clarity, like it's actually not going to work. 479 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,399 Speaker 1: When I was going through this, I actually talked to 480 00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 1: quite a few friends who are very seasoned travelers. The 481 00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:44,000 Speaker 1: kind of psychological research on this is pretty sparse, it's 482 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: kind of non existent, actually, So I'm going off of 483 00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: a lot of anecdotal and observational evidence about like the 484 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: main things that you should do to get yourself out 485 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,600 Speaker 1: of this, like travel fatigue, travel rut. The first one 486 00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:58,040 Speaker 1: every single person said to me was to take a 487 00:28:58,080 --> 00:29:01,320 Speaker 1: fricking rest day. I know it sounds so obvious, but 488 00:29:01,440 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: just let yourself be. You don't have to be a 489 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,080 Speaker 1: verb all the time, you don't have to be doing 490 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,960 Speaker 1: things all the time. You can just relax. That's part 491 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:13,000 Speaker 1: of the experience. Like I think every single one of 492 00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,120 Speaker 1: us goes into like a holiday or goes into like 493 00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:19,640 Speaker 1: a vacation or whatever, like with wanting to get something 494 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: different out of it. None we cannot get any of 495 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: the things we want to get out of it if 496 00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,600 Speaker 1: we don't actually give ourself time to process the things 497 00:29:27,600 --> 00:29:28,840 Speaker 1: that we're getting out of it. Do you know what 498 00:29:28,880 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: I mean? Like you could have had the most profound 499 00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:35,160 Speaker 1: life changing experience yesterday, but if you are forcing yourself 500 00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: to like continue doing new things and like pushing yourself 501 00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,200 Speaker 1: and pushing yourself, like that experience isn't going to get 502 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: the time it deserves to actually like consolidate and to 503 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:48,360 Speaker 1: actually like be processed. Slowing down I think can bring 504 00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,720 Speaker 1: just as much joys as trying to overplan and speed 505 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 1: up and seeing everything. It is in those slow moments 506 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: that I think the most beautiful things happen, the same 507 00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,920 Speaker 1: way that beautiful things happen in our daily lives when 508 00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 1: we are peaceful, when we are just taking things easy. 509 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: Like I really can attest to this fact that you 510 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:13,240 Speaker 1: are not going to have a life changing experience when 511 00:30:13,320 --> 00:30:16,800 Speaker 1: you're going to like the top ten tourist destinations of 512 00:30:16,880 --> 00:30:19,960 Speaker 1: the places you are traveling to. Maybe if you're like, 513 00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:22,560 Speaker 1: I don't know, going to see like an amazing cathedral 514 00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:26,520 Speaker 1: and you're like like a spiritual awakening, maybe, But I 515 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: would say most of the time, if you are trying 516 00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 1: so hard to jump from one thing to the next, 517 00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:35,480 Speaker 1: you actually don't have time to really appreciate what you're seeing, 518 00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:39,320 Speaker 1: what you're feeling, what you're sensing. So as well as 519 00:30:39,360 --> 00:30:43,640 Speaker 1: taking a rest day firstly and actually planning them, someone 520 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:46,720 Speaker 1: said this to me, like often we like make itineraries 521 00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: and we never ever like in our itineraries put a 522 00:30:50,360 --> 00:30:54,320 Speaker 1: rest day in there when it's really important, so obviously 523 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,120 Speaker 1: do that. Don't have a plan, and get out of 524 00:30:57,120 --> 00:31:02,720 Speaker 1: the tourist areas as well. Those bright lights, those huge crowds. 525 00:31:03,480 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: That is stimulus overload, that is information overload. Our senses 526 00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: are just totally bombarded with so much content that our 527 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,880 Speaker 1: brains just cannot manage. It cannot shift through it all. 528 00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:19,600 Speaker 1: It's honestly like mentally dizzying. So if you're already feeling 529 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:22,480 Speaker 1: the effects of a bit of fatigue, one of the 530 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: best things to do is to instead of going to 531 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 1: all the hot spots, instead of ticking things off like 532 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: the list, to be like, oh yeah, I went to 533 00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:31,280 Speaker 1: New York and I did this. Of course I saw 534 00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: the Rockefeller Center. Of course I saw the Statue of Liberty. 535 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: Like everyone is doing those things. Try and just like 536 00:31:36,480 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 1: explore your neighborhood a little bit more and take some 537 00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:44,240 Speaker 1: time to actually get into nature. This is a big 538 00:31:44,280 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: one that I learned when I was traveling. If you 539 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: have listened to our episode on the Healing Power of Nature, 540 00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: you will also be well informed that spending time outdoors 541 00:31:55,040 --> 00:31:59,880 Speaker 1: is a natural anxiety reliever. We are consistently seeing find 542 00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:03,800 Speaker 1: out of like the ecopsychology field, that exposure to natural 543 00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,080 Speaker 1: spaces for just fifteen twenty minutes a day really improves 544 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:08,960 Speaker 1: so much about your mood. So if you're at a 545 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 1: point of like exhaustion and you need like a mood booster, yes, 546 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,280 Speaker 1: rest day is great, and nature day is also amazing. 547 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: And intentional nature exposure like actually spending a good solid 548 00:32:21,120 --> 00:32:28,040 Speaker 1: time at the beach in a park somewhere beautiful, just 549 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 1: with your thoughts, not needing to do anything, not needing 550 00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:37,080 Speaker 1: to go anywhere. I think those moments creates such deep mindfulness. 551 00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,880 Speaker 1: It's like a natural meditation. It's an easy meditation to 552 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,200 Speaker 1: just like kind of like the like kind of like 553 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: the charm and the beauty of like a natural environment 554 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: just wash over you, like all of your warriores and 555 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,640 Speaker 1: your thoughts and your fatigue kind of like float away 556 00:32:53,320 --> 00:32:56,400 Speaker 1: with the wind. I think that's really important. The next 557 00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,520 Speaker 1: thing I would say to do, I would say, this 558 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:01,760 Speaker 1: is a good from other people that I'm just like 559 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:08,240 Speaker 1: absorbing and used and regurgitating. But create some routine, have 560 00:33:08,280 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 1: like the same wake up time, try and eat like 561 00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 1: the same breakfast. It will recreate some of the comfort 562 00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: and the familiarity of home. Make sure that you call friends. 563 00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:20,680 Speaker 1: It's easy to feel like when you're traveling you're in 564 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,520 Speaker 1: like a little bit of like a holiday bubble. I 565 00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:25,800 Speaker 1: find this a lot as well, where I'm like, ah, 566 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:28,880 Speaker 1: my friends are probably busy, they're out doing other things, 567 00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 1: Like I don't want to bother them. It feels like 568 00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,280 Speaker 1: we're living in two different worlds at the moment, Like 569 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,880 Speaker 1: I'm on my holiday, they're at home, they're on their holiday. 570 00:33:36,400 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: Those kinds of things. Actually, you shouldn't go that long 571 00:33:40,480 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 1: without seeking familiar reconnection, whether that's with family or friends, 572 00:33:45,800 --> 00:33:49,400 Speaker 1: like calling someone who you can actually just be a 573 00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,959 Speaker 1: little bit uninhibited with. Obviously, like when you're traveling, especially 574 00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:54,760 Speaker 1: if you're doing hostels, you might be meeting a lot 575 00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 1: of new people, but a lot of those people you 576 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: don't have a deep connection with. They don't know you 577 00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 1: as well someone who's known you for a long time. 578 00:34:02,280 --> 00:34:05,200 Speaker 1: So make sure that you continue to prioritize those relationships. 579 00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 1: I think it will also prevent you from feeling like poemo. 580 00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:10,680 Speaker 1: Sometimes that's a huge part of why we're like, oh 581 00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 1: my god, I want to go home, is because I 582 00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 1: feel so disconnected from everyone, and I feel like I'm 583 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,719 Speaker 1: not getting anything out of this experience anymore. So I 584 00:34:18,760 --> 00:34:22,320 Speaker 1: may as well be able to make experiences with these people. 585 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:26,560 Speaker 1: We can avoid that by not letting those relationships suffer 586 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 1: while we're traveling. And I also think that journaling, I know, 587 00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:35,839 Speaker 1: it's like such a cliche. We're all about mindfulness here, 588 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:37,719 Speaker 1: you know, like we're really What we're really trying to 589 00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:40,120 Speaker 1: do here is when you're addressing your travel burnout, is 590 00:34:40,160 --> 00:34:42,520 Speaker 1: to get you out of your your body, get you 591 00:34:42,560 --> 00:34:47,040 Speaker 1: out of your mind, and to like a more clear place, 592 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,280 Speaker 1: a place of like mental clarity where you can really 593 00:34:50,360 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 1: process your emotions without feeling guilty, without feeling overwhelmed, without 594 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,280 Speaker 1: feeling like you need to make some like drastic decision. 595 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,839 Speaker 1: And I think embracing like the small moments of your 596 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,520 Speaker 1: trip that might not be like completely stand out and 597 00:35:04,600 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 1: like life changing, but still are really beautiful is really good. 598 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 1: So I would say by journal, if you hopefully you've 599 00:35:11,040 --> 00:35:13,400 Speaker 1: already brought one with you, if you're a loyal listener, 600 00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:16,000 Speaker 1: hopefully you have your journal or your like notebook handy, 601 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,480 Speaker 1: But ask yourself some of these questions, what did you 602 00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 1: do today that was memorable? What is something that you 603 00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 1: did today that you wouldn't have done at home. What 604 00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 1: is part of my day that is a story I 605 00:35:29,200 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: will tell in the future. Who did I meet and 606 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:34,360 Speaker 1: what were the kind of stories they were telling me? 607 00:35:35,000 --> 00:35:37,560 Speaker 1: What was something in my day that just like made 608 00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:41,480 Speaker 1: me smile that spark joy? I think, take yourself out 609 00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:45,319 Speaker 1: of this big need and expectation that every day of 610 00:35:45,360 --> 00:35:52,359 Speaker 1: your trip needs to be a huge, upending, entirely transformative experience. 611 00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 1: You can still find joy in small moments. You can 612 00:35:55,840 --> 00:36:00,000 Speaker 1: still find joy whilst resting, while stepping away from the schedule, 613 00:36:00,160 --> 00:36:03,440 Speaker 1: whilst not going to tourist locations. Like, there is so 614 00:36:03,600 --> 00:36:07,600 Speaker 1: much beauty just in things that are different, even if 615 00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:11,399 Speaker 1: they're not like incredibly profound. So take a step back, 616 00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:16,840 Speaker 1: let yourself rest, and don't feel guilty because you're not 617 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,560 Speaker 1: enjoying every single moment, you know what I mean? Like, 618 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 1: the guilt is what keeps us in our fatigue, in 619 00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 1: our negative emotions, because we don't feel like we can 620 00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: address the problem enough to actually do something about it. 621 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 1: We feel so shameful about what we're feeling that we 622 00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,720 Speaker 1: don't actually verbalize it or bring it to the surface 623 00:36:39,719 --> 00:36:42,279 Speaker 1: and examine it and kind of peel it back and 624 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,640 Speaker 1: open it up and see what we can do about it. 625 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:49,920 Speaker 1: I will say one more thing. I obviously on my trip, 626 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:53,520 Speaker 1: I left early and I was like talking to my 627 00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 1: boyfriend about it, and I remember being like we were 628 00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 1: in this hotel room and I looked to him and 629 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:00,319 Speaker 1: I was like, I need to talk to you about something, 630 00:37:00,360 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 1: and he was like yes, and I was like, I 631 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,319 Speaker 1: need to leave, Like I was in tears. I was like, 632 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 1: I just really need to leave at this point, like 633 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,400 Speaker 1: this is the best solution for me. Like honestly, it 634 00:37:11,440 --> 00:37:13,880 Speaker 1: wasn't even that we were leaving like right then. We 635 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,080 Speaker 1: stayed like for another two and a half weeks, almost 636 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,360 Speaker 1: like two weeks. It was just like I can tell 637 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:23,719 Speaker 1: that I'm already so tired now by the time we 638 00:37:23,800 --> 00:37:28,880 Speaker 1: finished this trip, I'm going to be absolutely miserable. And 639 00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,680 Speaker 1: I don't want to look back at this experience and 640 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 1: not want to come back to this country. I don't 641 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,840 Speaker 1: want to project the fact that I am tired or 642 00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,640 Speaker 1: anything to do with where we are, anything to do 643 00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:43,319 Speaker 1: with this experience, like anything to do with you. I 644 00:37:43,520 --> 00:37:46,000 Speaker 1: just realized. I was like, I've made a mistake. I've 645 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 1: pushed myself too hard, and I don't I have this 646 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,960 Speaker 1: saying where it's like you can either waste your money 647 00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,799 Speaker 1: or you can waste your money and your time. And 648 00:37:55,880 --> 00:37:57,359 Speaker 1: so like a big part of me was like, I've 649 00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,919 Speaker 1: already paid for this ticket, Like, oh, I've already taken 650 00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,319 Speaker 1: all this time off, like all these things. I was 651 00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:05,640 Speaker 1: so stressed about it. It was making me even more exhausted. 652 00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,879 Speaker 1: And I just stopped and I paused, and I was like, yes, 653 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 1: but I also will be wasting my time if I 654 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,640 Speaker 1: stay here longer, if I stay for this final week, 655 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:18,759 Speaker 1: I'm not going to enjoy it. I'm going to just 656 00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 1: push myself maybe to a place that's going to be 657 00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:24,760 Speaker 1: harder to recover from. So if you need to leave early, 658 00:38:25,640 --> 00:38:29,040 Speaker 1: you're allowed to leave early. Maybe you've already gotten what 659 00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:31,400 Speaker 1: you need out of this experience. It doesn't make you 660 00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,800 Speaker 1: a coward, it doesn't make you ungrateful. You're just doing 661 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 1: what is best for you. And I think it was 662 00:38:38,040 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 1: so strange, but I was so worried that of other 663 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:43,960 Speaker 1: people's opinions of me. But everyone who I talked to 664 00:38:44,040 --> 00:38:46,840 Speaker 1: about this was like, oh, I totally get that. Like 665 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:48,680 Speaker 1: when you said you were traveling for two months, I 666 00:38:48,719 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: was like, how is she going to go, Like, I 667 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,480 Speaker 1: just think that no one really, no one thinks as 668 00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 1: harshly about your decisions as you do. So do what 669 00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,359 Speaker 1: is best for you. But also take some time if 670 00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:02,520 Speaker 1: you're feeling like really in the midst of it right now, 671 00:39:03,040 --> 00:39:05,200 Speaker 1: to just chill out, just like take a rest day, 672 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 1: find some small moments of joy, get away from the 673 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,000 Speaker 1: tourist areas. If you're in like a hostel, book like 674 00:39:11,080 --> 00:39:13,480 Speaker 1: a nice hotel for a night, if you can afford it, 675 00:39:13,480 --> 00:39:16,239 Speaker 1: it will make all the difference. And like put on 676 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,160 Speaker 1: your headphones and go for a walk, like just try 677 00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:22,279 Speaker 1: and break out of like this space of negativity, break 678 00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:24,839 Speaker 1: out of this space of like guilt or of just 679 00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 1: like fatigue and feeling like you need to find the 680 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:31,279 Speaker 1: solution right now. Like it's okay, it's okay. If your 681 00:39:31,320 --> 00:39:34,480 Speaker 1: trip is like not going amazing, it's okay if like 682 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,759 Speaker 1: it isn't meeting your expectations, like you're still doing the thing. 683 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 1: And in hindsight, I promise you, like the experience will 684 00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,239 Speaker 1: be important and we'll teach you something and we'll give 685 00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,280 Speaker 1: you something that you will take forward in your life. 686 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:50,360 Speaker 1: So I really hope that you enjoyed this episode. I 687 00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:53,040 Speaker 1: hope that you got something out of it. I feel 688 00:39:53,040 --> 00:39:55,359 Speaker 1: like it was a lot more anecdotal. I just wanted 689 00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,560 Speaker 1: to share my experience from you know what I've been 690 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 1: doing travelers gamar so much in our twenties, but I 691 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,960 Speaker 1: feel like we never talk about the other side of it. 692 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:06,920 Speaker 1: We never talk about how it's not always picture perfect. 693 00:40:07,000 --> 00:40:09,960 Speaker 1: So hopefully this kind of pulled the veil back a 694 00:40:09,960 --> 00:40:13,920 Speaker 1: little bit, revealed more of the behind the facade of 695 00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:17,680 Speaker 1: the picture perfect twenties that all of us expect. As always, 696 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,399 Speaker 1: if you enjoyed this episode, please feel free to share 697 00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:23,080 Speaker 1: it with someone who might enjoy it as well. 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