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Speaker 1: Happy Veterans Day, and welcome to Season two of The

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Speaker 1: Good Stuff. I'm Ashley Shick, and I'm joined by my

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Speaker 1: husband and co host, Jacob Schick, a third generation combat

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Speaker 1: marine and CEO of One Tribe Foundation.

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Speaker 2: Ashley also comes from a family rich in military history,

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Speaker 2: and we've dedicated our lives to One Tribes, mission serving veterans,

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Speaker 2: first responders, and their families. We're coming to you from Dallas,

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Speaker 2: so welcome to Texas.

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Speaker 1: And joining us all season long. From Los Angeles, California

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Speaker 1: is our West Coast long haired friend and producer of

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Speaker 1: the Good Stuff, Nick Cassolini.

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Speaker 3: As this episode is coming out on Veterans Day, we

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Speaker 3: just wanted to present you with a free spirited conversation

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Speaker 3: between the three of us, three good friends, a veteran,

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Speaker 3: a spouse of a veteran, and me a civilian.

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Speaker 1: So a very happy Veterans Day to all of you

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Speaker 1: veterans out there, and we're glad you're joining us.

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Speaker 3: As always, just a quick heads up, this show does

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Speaker 3: explore some heavy subject matter, including talks of suicide, so

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Speaker 3: listener discretion is advised.

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Speaker 2: Happy Veterans Day to all my brothers and sisters out there,

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Speaker 2: and again Welcome to the good stuff, Jake.

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Speaker 3: For people that aren't familiar with you and your story,

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Speaker 3: would you describe the injuries you sustained while you were

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Speaker 3: in Iraq?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I got blown up on a react mission. Our

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Speaker 2: of my right leg, multiple compound fractures, and my left

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Speaker 2: left leg compound fractures, and my left arm lost five

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Speaker 2: of my left hand essentially my fourth and fifth digit metacarpals,

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Speaker 2: my fifth digit completely meaning Pinky broke my ribs, a

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Speaker 2: shrapnel throughout my body and my neck, chin and face,

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Speaker 2: some burns, and the traumatic brain injury because I landed

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Speaker 3: And how long were you in the hospital?

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Speaker 2: For eighteen months, I had over fifty operations and had

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Speaker 2: twenty three blood transfusions.

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Speaker 3: And how long ago was your last sort of life

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Speaker 3: saving surgery in the scope of those.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean it's been twenty twenty plus years. If

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Speaker 2: it's in a sense of life saving, it's been twenty

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Speaker 3: So the other day we were at a party and

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Speaker 3: you showed up wearing a shirt that says everything hurts?

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Speaker 3: Does everything hurt? Still?

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Speaker 2: It's a that's a great gift from my father in law,

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Speaker 2: So shout out to Papa forgetting me that, who's retired

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Speaker 2: lieutenant colonel from the army. Yeah, it's just a it's

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Speaker 2: funny because you look at my body if I'm in

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Speaker 2: it's funny. It's I you know, I wear it because

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Speaker 2: it's humorous, and which is why my father in law

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Speaker 1: I think one in every color a sweatshirt incl sweatshirts now.

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Speaker 3: And it was a hit at the party. They liked it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. For me, it's like it it shortens the conversation

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Speaker 2: because it's like you don't have to ask. The shirt

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Speaker 2: mean I wake up in pain. I go to bed

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Speaker 2: and pain. It's a part of my daily life. And

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Speaker 2: it's Uh. Do I think every ounce of it is

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Speaker 2: connected to being severely wounded in service to the nation. No,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure there's other things, like you know, I played football,

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Speaker 2: it is attributed because especially when you have an amputation,

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Speaker 2: so yeah, it's everything does hurt, It's true, and you

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Speaker 3: I would say for myself and just my own personal

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Speaker 3: And I think on some level I sort of was like,

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Speaker 2: I don't think it's a lack of sensitivity. I mean,

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Speaker 2: especially knowing you the way I know you now, like

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Speaker 2: simple for me. It's out of side out of mind, right,

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Speaker 2: Like if you're not it's not in front of your face,

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Speaker 2: I think it's out of side, out of mind. Like

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Speaker 2: of our relationship, especially you know, having to utilize things

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Speaker 2: prosthetics and those are just the physical aspects. We're not

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Speaker 1: It can definitely be a proximity thing.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I've been asked before several times, actually, you know, hey,

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Speaker 2: what happened to you? I you know, loosely explain and

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Speaker 2: then I get asked, you know, is the government taking

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Speaker 2: what do you mean exactly? But and I don't want

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Speaker 2: Like the government's not managing my marriage and raising my

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Speaker 2: the VA is not definitely I mean, hell, American healthcare

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Speaker 2: is not the pinnacle of great healthcare. And so people

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Speaker 2: need to understand that not only are you fighting for

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Speaker 3: But sorry Michael being Michael Carnell, a dear friend and

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Speaker 2: And several other people that we know, they get turned

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Speaker 2: They're literally actively dying and fighting for their life. They're

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Speaker 2: like living it up. That's the part for me that

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Speaker 2: the suffering not only for the individual, but the entire family.

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Speaker 2: That's the part that really really really pisses me off,

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Speaker 2: and we're thirty six plus trillion dollars in debt as

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Speaker 2: you think you're saving money? Why the delay, Why the

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Speaker 2: bull process. I'm pretty sure there's other places we could

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Speaker 2: arduous process to get what they were promised by their

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Speaker 2: just it's so so disheartening to even listen to opposing

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Speaker 2: You don't ever there's very few kids that you'll hear

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Speaker 2: You don't hear that anymore. And it's because the healthcare

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Speaker 2: implementation of division by design, and anyone can argue it

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Speaker 2: all they want. I give no. I'm just speaking truth.

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Speaker 2: I think our founding fathers are probably rolling in their

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Speaker 2: And I understand I've cussed and said some bad words,

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Speaker 2: I'm at a point where I'm like, I'm not gonna

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Speaker 2: that because none of these that made it so hard

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Speaker 2: Just in case anyone's curious, I feel better.

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Speaker 1: And I think what frustrates us the most because navigating

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Speaker 1: it is just it is extremely difficult to navigate the

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Speaker 1: VA system. It is extremely difficult to know that you

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Speaker 1: I think what frustrates us the most is thinking about

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Speaker 1: our veterans from World War II era, from Vietnam era

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Speaker 2: To eleven or from nine to eleven, I just don't

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Speaker 1: And they don't have the ability to micro manage their

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Speaker 1: I do feel like the shock on Americans' faces, you know,

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Speaker 2: most of the Marines I sarched was saw so much

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Speaker 2: more than I did, and did so much more than

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Speaker 2: I did. That you know, I hold all of them

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Speaker 2: in such a high regard. I mean, I'm so honored

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Speaker 2: and proud to be a small part of what they did.

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Speaker 2: You know, in several circumstances, they were faced with insurmountable

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Speaker 2: odds and not only came out of it, but dominated

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Speaker 2: their way through it. You know, like most things in life,

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Speaker 2: tragedy brought us closer. And it sucks that it's got

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Speaker 2: to be that way, But there must be something through

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Speaker 2: the algorithm that God created that with tragedy, we you know,

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Speaker 2: either unite or you divide. It would just be like

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Speaker 2: me asking you, like, would you consider anything you've done

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Speaker 2: for people you care about brave?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's funny because like I think the answer would

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Speaker 3: be no. And I also think that if you described

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Speaker 3: my brother doing that or someone else, I'd be like,

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Speaker 3: I see bravery in it. There's something that you meaning,

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Speaker 3: I guess you and me us, and I'm sure lots

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Speaker 3: and lots of people just either reject or because of

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Speaker 3: speaking of that, of God's algorithm, that's just not something

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Speaker 3: that we're not wired to recognize that because maybe if

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Speaker 3: we like identified it as brave then evolutionary, we'd all

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Speaker 3: go do stupid shit because we're quote unquote brave and

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Speaker 3: die and no one could have kids or something like.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why we want to reject this idea

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Speaker 3: of bravery, you know, you know, and then also you

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Speaker 3: look back on it and think like, oh, is that

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Speaker 3: just stupid?

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Speaker 2: Like I think the two I think bravery and stupidity

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Speaker 2: are first kissing cousins there. You know, it's like the

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Speaker 2: whole saying old adage. You know, if you're going to

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Speaker 2: be dumb, you'd better be tough, you know.

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Speaker 3: I think we see bravery in others and that's and

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Speaker 3: that's beautiful and maybe that's our jobs for me to

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Speaker 3: recognize the way in which you were brave in a

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Speaker 3: situation where you just wouldn't say you were, and maybe

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Speaker 3: that's maybe that's what community is.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I looking out for one another.

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Speaker 2: I think. And I think that it also goes along

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Speaker 2: with us having a higher expectation of ourselves. You know

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Speaker 2: that we write because what do we want to see

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Speaker 2: in everybody else or in the people that we love,

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Speaker 2: or especially in the in the younger people, like what

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Speaker 2: do we want them to what would we want them

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Speaker 2: to do in the high stress situation? Ultimately, for me,

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Speaker 2: when it comes down to is do the right thing?

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Speaker 3: All right? Guys, Well, we actually didn't really talk about

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Speaker 3: Veterans Day during this episode, which I think is a

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Speaker 3: beautiful thing. I think I really enjoyed that conversation with

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Speaker 3: you guys. I'm really appreciative for it. But on that note,

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Speaker 3: is there any final way you would like to leave

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Speaker 3: this episode?

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Speaker 1: I just I think one of the things, kind of

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Speaker 1: like Memorial Day, we feel like every day should be veteran.

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Speaker 1: We wouldn't have what we have if it weren't for

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Speaker 1: brave men and women who volunteered and or were told

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Speaker 1: to go and serve our country. And so the gratitude

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Speaker 1: that we feel for the men and women who've warned

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Speaker 1: the cloth of this nation is truly overwhelming, and we're

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Speaker 1: so grateful.

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Speaker 2: No, look, I just want to say how much I

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Speaker 2: appreciate everyone that raised the right hand and don the

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Speaker 2: cloth of the nation and served this nation, and obviously

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Speaker 2: in particular the battle Ambassards. I love you guys. There's

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Speaker 2: a bunch of men that are far greater than I'll

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Speaker 2: ever be, and I'm honored to call myself a small

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Speaker 2: part of them. And we are free because of them,

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Speaker 2: because of all these men and women. That's just the facts.

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Speaker 2: So I hope they have an amazing Betters Day. Go

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Speaker 2: get your free buffet a Golden corral.

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Speaker 3: Maybe I want to include this, but I actually do

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Speaker 3: kind of want to asci something. So I've always felt

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Speaker 3: a little bit of a discomfort with the phrase thank

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Speaker 3: you for your service, and I'm not sure why. I

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Speaker 3: think maybe it feels obligatory or something, and therefore I've

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Speaker 3: just never really said it, Like I've never said it

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Speaker 3: to you, Jake, you know, thank you for your service.

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Speaker 3: I think if I had to be honest about what

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Speaker 3: I would say or should say, it would be something

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Speaker 3: along the lines of, like, I feel so much love

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Speaker 3: for you because of your service, Like I feel some

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Speaker 3: sort of sense of love more than like thank you.

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Speaker 3: I don't know why I'm saying that. I guess I'm

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Speaker 3: just curious to hear how you would react to those

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Speaker 3: words coming out of my mouth.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think it's beautiful. It's one of the

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Speaker 2: reasons that I love you. I mean, you know, I

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Speaker 2: don't need you to say it, because I know it already, right,

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Speaker 2: Like I know that there's a part of you that

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Speaker 2: respects that part of my life, and I know that.

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Speaker 2: I think love is a perfect word, man, I mean,

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Speaker 2: because it's uh, it's the same way I feel when

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Speaker 2: I meet a World War Two veteran, or a Vietnam veteran,

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Speaker 2: or a Korean veteran, it's like, man like, I just

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Speaker 2: want to hug him, and just like it Jackson's game.

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Speaker 2: Matter of fact, that tall older guy pulled me aside

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Speaker 2: and was like, hey, you're getting You're getting around real

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Speaker 2: well on that thing out my prosthetic legging. Yeah. I

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Speaker 2: was like, oh, yeah, you know, it's just a tool

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Speaker 2: to move. And he said you're in the service, Yes, sir,

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Speaker 2: you're rock And he said, uh, I was a marine

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Speaker 2: in Vietnam. When I said, well, simplified doll was my

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Speaker 2: brother super five your ahead, And it was like, you know,

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Speaker 2: it was just for me. It was just this like

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Speaker 2: moment of like, dang, dude, I'm so blessed to meet

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Speaker 2: the guy that carried the flag person. And I told

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Speaker 2: him the same thing I tell all of them. It's

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Speaker 2: like my only prayers that were making you proud. That's it, right,

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Speaker 2: I mean, because we only have so many decisions we

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Speaker 2: can make that outside of you know, the government runs

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Speaker 2: runs it and so the love is I think a

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Speaker 2: beautiful way to put it, bro because it's something that

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Speaker 2: I think spreads it that can be generational, you know,

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Speaker 2: and I think that that is the cure all for

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Speaker 2: all of the madness. It was the love and so

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Speaker 2: I feel it. Yeah, and I'm grateful for it.

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Speaker 3: Well. I love you for your service. Happy Happy Veterans

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Speaker 3: Day to you. And that that tall gentleman from the

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Speaker 3: football game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah it's beautiful. Yeah, thank you brother, Thank you so

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Speaker 2: much for listening to the Good Stuff.

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Speaker 3: the meantime, if you're looking for a companion piece to

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Speaker 3: this episode, please check out our episode with Al Lipphart

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Speaker 3: from season one.

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Speaker 2: Put on your bad ass capes and go be great

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Speaker 2: today and remember you can't do awesome things without awesome people.

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Speaker 3: Happy Veterans Day. Raw The Good Stuff is executive produced

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Speaker 3: by Ashley Shick, Jacob Shick and Leah Pictures, hosted by

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Speaker 3: Ashley Shick, Jacob Shick, and Nick Cassolini. Produced by Nick Cassolini, engineering,

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Speaker 3: editing and post production supervision by Nick Cassolini. Music by

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