1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of The Clay Travis and Buck 2 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast, The Clay Travis and Buck Sexton Show. 3 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:11,000 Speaker 1: Sitting in for Clay and Buck today syndicated radio personality 4 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:12,160 Speaker 1: Michael Berry. 5 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:15,280 Speaker 2: Delighted to join you. I am the aforementioned Michael Berry, 6 00:00:15,520 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 2: and I am filling in for Clay and Buck, who 7 00:00:19,480 --> 00:00:24,480 Speaker 2: are taking a much needed day of vacation tomorrow, July fourth. 8 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 2: On Wednesday, they will host Chris Christy. We're going to 9 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,520 Speaker 2: take some of your calls one eight hundred two eight 10 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,240 Speaker 2: two two eight eight two one eight hundred two eight 11 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:39,520 Speaker 2: two two eight eight two. Some major decisions coming from 12 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:42,199 Speaker 2: the Supreme Court this past week, and that's what I 13 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,960 Speaker 2: want to talk about. The first part being with regard 14 00:00:46,080 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 2: to the university and this massive expenditure, this massive piece 15 00:00:50,479 --> 00:00:53,960 Speaker 2: of American life that we spend so much money and 16 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 2: energy on that taxpayers are paying for that, the students 17 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 2: are paying for that, the loans which come from taxpayers 18 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 2: are paying from So Joe Biden says, Hey, I want 19 00:01:07,800 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 2: all these college students to vote for me. So I'm 20 00:01:11,840 --> 00:01:15,440 Speaker 2: going to give four hundred billion dollars to say, hey, 21 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 2: you that money you borrowed to go to college, you 22 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,920 Speaker 2: don't even have to pay it back. Well, that's that's 23 00:01:21,920 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 2: a pretty big deal. He didn't say that to people 24 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 2: who borrowed money for their cars, or for their small business, 25 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 2: or for their home. But if you borrowed money for 26 00:01:29,319 --> 00:01:34,040 Speaker 2: your college, you're just the kind of person that would 27 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:36,600 Speaker 2: vote for Democrats. And now we want to give you 28 00:01:36,640 --> 00:01:40,120 Speaker 2: a reason to vote. Well, the Supreme Court struck that 29 00:01:40,200 --> 00:01:44,520 Speaker 2: program down, which means in twenty twenty four, whether it's 30 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:48,560 Speaker 2: Joe Biden or Gavin Newsom or whoever the Democrat nominee is, 31 00:01:48,960 --> 00:01:51,120 Speaker 2: they'll be able to say, you shouldn't have to pay 32 00:01:51,160 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 2: back your student loan, vote for US. And guess what, 33 00:01:55,720 --> 00:01:59,360 Speaker 2: if you're college educated, you're more likely to vote Democrat 34 00:01:59,400 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 2: than republic. It turns out that about fifty three percent 35 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:10,399 Speaker 2: of adults in America between the ages of twenty five 36 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 2: and sixty four have a college degree fifty four percent, 37 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:17,239 Speaker 2: fifty three point seven. Now that's up from thirty eight 38 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 2: percent back in two thousand and nine, So lots of people. 39 00:02:21,560 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 2: Lots more people have college degrees than had just fourteen 40 00:02:27,360 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 2: years ago, and there are lots of reasons for that. 41 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 2: It's also the case that it doesn't necessarily matter. If 42 00:02:34,200 --> 00:02:37,480 Speaker 2: you have a college degree, doesn't mean you necessarily make 43 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:43,400 Speaker 2: more money. Business Insider reports seven major companies that no 44 00:02:43,520 --> 00:02:50,399 Speaker 2: longer require a college degree Dell Computers, Google, Delta Airlines. 45 00:02:51,120 --> 00:02:55,320 Speaker 2: You can be the second pilot on a major aircraft 46 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,880 Speaker 2: without a college degree. Then again, if you went to college, 47 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 2: which part of beer pong necessarily qualified you to be 48 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:09,079 Speaker 2: a first seat pilot anyway? Accenture the consulting company, prestigious 49 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,960 Speaker 2: consulting company that gets paid top dollars by top Dollar, 50 00:03:14,040 --> 00:03:17,880 Speaker 2: by Fortune five hundred companies to provide consulting. If you 51 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 2: want to enter cybersecurity, you don't need a college degree. 52 00:03:24,720 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 2: If you want to be the one of the Google 53 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:31,919 Speaker 2: creative types, you don't need a college degree. They have 54 00:03:31,960 --> 00:03:37,000 Speaker 2: an online certification program. Now, why don't more companies do that? 55 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:43,640 Speaker 2: Why do companies outsource the preparation of their future employees 56 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 2: to the university. When you came out of your university 57 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:53,160 Speaker 2: experience and started your first job, were you uniquely qualified 58 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 2: to work there? What had happened between high school graduation 59 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 2: and college graduation that made you more capable of going 60 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:09,920 Speaker 2: to work at the job you went to? Which brings 61 00:04:09,920 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 2: into question what are the universities teaching. Increasingly, they're trying 62 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 2: to find ways to become more and more relevant because 63 00:04:17,400 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 2: they keep making the argument that everybody needs to go 64 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:23,240 Speaker 2: to college. You have to go to college. When I 65 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 2: graduated high school, I couldn't imagine any alternative path. I 66 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 2: had to go to college. Nobody else in my family 67 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:32,880 Speaker 2: had been to college. It was the path to riches. Hell. 68 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 2: If I'd known I was going to be talking into 69 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 2: a microphone on the radio, I wouldn't have gone to 70 00:04:38,279 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 2: all that trouble, and most people wouldn't want to be 71 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 2: an airline pilot. Don't need a college degree. In fact, 72 00:04:46,279 --> 00:04:51,320 Speaker 2: twelve of our presidents didn't get a university degree, including 73 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:56,480 Speaker 2: the first one, George Washington. He got a surveying certificate, 74 00:04:57,000 --> 00:04:59,800 Speaker 2: but he didn't get a university degree. Harry Truman was 75 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 2: the last president who didn't have a college degree to 76 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:05,960 Speaker 2: be president. The closest we got in granted he didn't 77 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,160 Speaker 2: get that close, was Scott Walker, the governor of Wisconsin, 78 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:14,720 Speaker 2: who was the last major party candidate for president who 79 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:16,880 Speaker 2: did not have a college degree. He had almost one 80 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,039 Speaker 2: hundred out of his one hundred and twenty hours he 81 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 2: needed when he left and went to work for the 82 00:05:21,839 --> 00:05:24,520 Speaker 2: American Red Cross. But we sure to put a lot 83 00:05:24,520 --> 00:05:28,359 Speaker 2: of interest in this, don't we. The Biden versus Nebraska 84 00:05:28,400 --> 00:05:32,960 Speaker 2: student loan payoff case is not really a question of 85 00:05:33,000 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 2: whether the student loan should be paid off or not. 86 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,800 Speaker 2: Justice Roberts, in his opinion wrote the line, the question 87 00:05:39,960 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 2: here is not whether something should be done, it is 88 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,200 Speaker 2: who has the authority to do it. So, in this way, 89 00:05:48,240 --> 00:05:52,239 Speaker 2: it's a lot like a legal immigration. The court ruled 90 00:05:52,680 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 2: that if Congress, who makes the law, wanted to appropriate 91 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 2: the funds to whiteout all these student loans, then Congress 92 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:06,760 Speaker 2: should have done so, and could have done so and 93 00:06:06,839 --> 00:06:10,800 Speaker 2: chose not to, which means that Congress can go back 94 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 2: and quote unquote fix this. And under Kevin McCarthy's leadership, 95 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:20,600 Speaker 2: Republicans are trying to get ahead of this issue. So, unfortunately, 96 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:24,320 Speaker 2: it's not a principled opposition by the Republican Party to 97 00:06:24,480 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 2: paying off the debts of student loans and graduates are 98 00:06:28,240 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 2: those who took on the loans because some of them 99 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 2: didn't graduate. I'd like to think the Republican Party, in 100 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 2: a Rand Paul ron Paul sort of principled basis of 101 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 2: conviction would say, no, you took the loan, you pay 102 00:06:42,800 --> 00:06:46,000 Speaker 2: it back. The people who didn't take the loans, the 103 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 2: other taxpayers, or who did take the loans, and pay 104 00:06:49,160 --> 00:06:51,600 Speaker 2: them back, shouldn't have to give you the money to 105 00:06:51,640 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 2: pay back your loans. You pay back your own loans. 106 00:06:56,200 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 2: But actually the Republicans are not so deep in conviction. 107 00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,880 Speaker 2: They're actually just delighted to have the opportunity that they're 108 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,560 Speaker 2: going to get the credit for the student loan repayment. 109 00:07:07,080 --> 00:07:10,119 Speaker 2: How did it become a national crisis that people can't 110 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:12,680 Speaker 2: pay back their student loans, and why are they not 111 00:07:12,720 --> 00:07:15,280 Speaker 2: able to pay back their student loans, but somehow they're 112 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 2: able to pay back all their other loans. The student 113 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,000 Speaker 2: loan counts against you. It really hurts if you don't 114 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:24,240 Speaker 2: pay back your student loan. You see, the government has 115 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 2: a way of saying, if you don't pay back your 116 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 2: student loan, it's going on your credit record and all 117 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,880 Speaker 2: sorts of other things. You can't apply for welfare if 118 00:07:31,920 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 2: you haven't paid back your student loan. You can't do 119 00:07:34,320 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 2: most anything related to the government if you haven't paid 120 00:07:37,320 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 2: back your student loan. Now, if you don't want to 121 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 2: pay your electric bill, or you don't want to pay 122 00:07:41,640 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 2: your other debts, that's fine, but you will pay back 123 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 2: your student loan because that's so important. And now that 124 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 2: you can't pay back your student loans, other taxpayers are 125 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:51,440 Speaker 2: going to help you do that, and you're going to 126 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:54,680 Speaker 2: hear about that in the twenty twenty four election. But 127 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:58,880 Speaker 2: Robert's point, the question here is not whether something should 128 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 2: be done, it is who has the authority to do it. 129 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 2: So I find the much more interesting question to be 130 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 2: should we actually quote unquote forgive these loans? And if so, 131 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:14,320 Speaker 2: why why do we choose this one category of people 132 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 2: to forgive their loans when we don't do it for 133 00:08:17,480 --> 00:08:20,360 Speaker 2: poor people who can't pay back their car loan. We 134 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 2: don't do it for homeowners who are struggling and can't 135 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 2: pay back their home loan. We don't do it for 136 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:30,400 Speaker 2: small business owners who are the lifeblood of the economy 137 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:33,960 Speaker 2: if they can't pay back their loans. Do we have 138 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 2: any data that says that student borrowers are somehow suffering 139 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:43,120 Speaker 2: compared to their classmates who didn't go to college and 140 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:46,040 Speaker 2: take on loans, or who did go to college and 141 00:08:46,120 --> 00:08:49,560 Speaker 2: paid their own way. For my money, give me the 142 00:08:49,679 --> 00:08:52,560 Speaker 2: kid who started to work and went to night school, 143 00:08:53,200 --> 00:08:55,599 Speaker 2: or the kid who failed out of college when he 144 00:08:55,640 --> 00:08:58,240 Speaker 2: went the first time on mommy and Daddy's money. Mommy 145 00:08:58,280 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 2: and daddy, after a year said get to work. He leaves, 146 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:04,800 Speaker 2: gets married, starts having kids, and goes to night school 147 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 2: and may go on to graduate school from there and 148 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:11,240 Speaker 2: pays for it himself. Because you know what, that guy 149 00:09:11,360 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 2: pays back his loans, which you should pay back your loans, 150 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 2: and the fact that you're not paying back your loans 151 00:09:19,720 --> 00:09:23,439 Speaker 2: should be a sign of character, not something to be rewarded. 152 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 2: But we'll get to get to that later in the show. 153 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:29,160 Speaker 2: All right, one eight hundred two eight two two eight 154 00:09:29,280 --> 00:09:32,079 Speaker 2: eight to one eight hundred two eight two two eight 155 00:09:32,200 --> 00:09:34,720 Speaker 2: eight two. We'll take your calls. I'm Michael Berry in 156 00:09:34,880 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 2: for Claying Buck. Coming up, Michael Berry in for Clay 157 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 2: and Buck. They're off on the fourth tomorrow. They'll be 158 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:51,719 Speaker 2: back on Wednesday and Chris Christy will be their guest. 159 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,480 Speaker 2: Two Supreme Court rulings that were focused on from last 160 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:57,920 Speaker 2: week from the Supreme Court. One we've discussed. One we'll 161 00:09:57,960 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 2: get to and that is who gets into college and 162 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 2: who pays for it. We'll focus on the who gets 163 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,720 Speaker 2: into college in a moment a striking down of affirmative 164 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 2: action race based considerations for university admission. That case in 165 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,360 Speaker 2: just a few moments later in the show, assuming we 166 00:10:18,360 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 2: can find time, is the bake my cake, Make my 167 00:10:23,040 --> 00:10:27,360 Speaker 2: website bigot ruling the three to zero three creative that 168 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:34,480 Speaker 2: supposedly really upset the LGBTQ plus community because you shouldn't 169 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:38,439 Speaker 2: be able to avoid making a website for someone that 170 00:10:38,559 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 2: wants you to say crazy things on the website they 171 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:45,120 Speaker 2: create that you do for them. But before that, back 172 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:48,080 Speaker 2: to the issue of whosh. If you take a student 173 00:10:48,120 --> 00:10:53,600 Speaker 2: loan to go to college, and after you graduate or 174 00:10:53,640 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 2: if you don't, that student loan comes due, as student 175 00:10:56,800 --> 00:11:01,840 Speaker 2: loans will come do starting this septem, should you have 176 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 2: to pay back that student loan because somebody has to 177 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:08,680 Speaker 2: pay it back. You don't forgive loans. They're not a wrong, 178 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:14,480 Speaker 2: They're a debt. They're money that was supposedly put to use, 179 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 2: and if it's not put to use, it has to 180 00:11:16,600 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 2: be repaid one way or another, or the money wherever 181 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 2: the source of that money has now been depleted. You 182 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:24,920 Speaker 2: don't just create more money out of whole cloth, or 183 00:11:24,960 --> 00:11:27,040 Speaker 2: say well, that debt doesn't exist. It's just a piece 184 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:29,640 Speaker 2: of paper. Somebody's money had to go to that in 185 00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 2: the first place. So who should have to pay that 186 00:11:32,679 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 2: loan back? Joe Biden says, well, the taxpayers should pay 187 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:40,080 Speaker 2: back your loan. Student if you don't want to pay 188 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 2: it back years later, you've already had over two years 189 00:11:43,760 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 2: of not paying your loans back. Actually it'll be three 190 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 2: years as of September. You've already had three years of 191 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 2: not paying your loans back. At what point do we 192 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 2: say you've had a good run. It's not that much. 193 00:11:58,920 --> 00:12:02,560 Speaker 2: It's a low end interest rate. It's for the education 194 00:12:02,760 --> 00:12:05,000 Speaker 2: you don't doubt that you received, or at least the 195 00:12:05,040 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 2: admission and time at the university. Let's start with Steve 196 00:12:09,080 --> 00:12:12,440 Speaker 2: in Allantown, Pennsylvania. Welcome to the. 197 00:12:12,440 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 3: Show, sir, good afternoon, Thanks for taking my call. I'd wondering, 198 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 3: if Joe Biden is being so altruistic and wants to 199 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 3: pay off everyone's student loans, why doesn't he want to 200 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 3: pay back to people who actually paid off their student loans. 201 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:36,560 Speaker 3: I paid my loans back, and quite frankly, if Joe 202 00:12:36,559 --> 00:12:39,040 Speaker 3: Biden wants to give me the money that I paid back, 203 00:12:39,120 --> 00:12:40,479 Speaker 3: then I could retire. 204 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:44,160 Speaker 2: Dave, how much do you think you took in student 205 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 2: loans at what university and toward what course electrical engineering? 206 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:53,520 Speaker 3: Penn State? A boat load? And it took me a 207 00:12:53,559 --> 00:12:54,960 Speaker 3: long time off. 208 00:12:57,200 --> 00:12:58,240 Speaker 2: How long do you think it took you? 209 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 3: He's going to crank up the running presses over a decade? 210 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 3: And that was and I was working as an engineer 211 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 3: at Bell Laboratory, so I was making good money. And 212 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:14,440 Speaker 3: are you still fortunately now, I'm not making this up. 213 00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:19,120 Speaker 3: Where I used to work at Bell Labs it's now 214 00:13:19,120 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 3: the unemployment center. Wow, I wish I could make this 215 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 3: stuff up, because then my last name would be King, 216 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:30,560 Speaker 3: and I'd be writing novels and I'd buy my own island. 217 00:13:31,160 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 2: But that would also make you crazy. 218 00:13:33,960 --> 00:13:39,199 Speaker 3: And you knew Boulevard is now the unemployment center because 219 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 3: you know, they decided that it was better if China 220 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 3: took all our jobs. And but if he's you know, 221 00:13:45,360 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 3: if he's going to do what he's going to do, 222 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 3: why isn't he doing it for everyone? Why is he 223 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 3: only doing it for certain people? Isn't that called discrimination? 224 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 4: Steve? 225 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 2: How much did you make out of college in your 226 00:13:57,559 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 2: first job as an electrical engineer? 227 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:08,280 Speaker 3: Uh? I think I started around twenty three thousand. What 228 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:12,560 Speaker 3: year was that, It's a long time ago it was 229 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 3: that was? What year was that the eighties? It was 230 00:14:14,520 --> 00:14:15,440 Speaker 3: nineteen eighty four. 231 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:18,080 Speaker 2: Do you still work. 232 00:14:20,280 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 3: Right now? You're gonna love this I had. I had 233 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:26,840 Speaker 3: decided that I was going to do something I liked 234 00:14:26,880 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 3: to do instead of something I had to do right 235 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 3: before the pandemic hit. So I thought, well, I'm also 236 00:14:34,040 --> 00:14:40,280 Speaker 3: an avid sportsman, hunting, fishing, scuba diving, and so I 237 00:14:40,360 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 3: went into I worked in sporting goods, and then of 238 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 3: course the pandemic hit. Well, so much for sporting goods. 239 00:14:49,560 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 3: So now I'm looking around, and I mean, I'm not 240 00:14:53,120 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 3: I'm not complaining. I survived COVID. I already, you know, 241 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:01,240 Speaker 3: uh paid off my house because my dad was he 242 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 3: grew up in the depression, so we didn't waste anything. 243 00:15:03,720 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 3: So I didn't buy new cars. I paid off the house. 244 00:15:08,320 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 3: But if Joe Biden is intent on just you know, 245 00:15:10,960 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 3: printing money like there's no tomorrow, then why isn't he 246 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:16,200 Speaker 3: printing it for everyone? 247 00:15:17,880 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 2: Well, and that's just it. They're picking winners and losers 248 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 2: the way you do in third world countries, where the 249 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 2: winning tribe gets all the goodies and everyone else must 250 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 2: be punished. Thanks for the call. Let's go to Dave 251 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:33,680 Speaker 2: in Utah. Dave, You're on the Clayton Bump Show with 252 00:15:33,720 --> 00:15:34,320 Speaker 2: Michael Berry. 253 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 5: Welcome, sir, Hey Mike, good to talk to you. Yes, sir, 254 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 5: you know that this is even a topic is sad 255 00:15:42,840 --> 00:15:46,480 Speaker 5: in itself. You know, you borrow, you pay it back, 256 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 5: and I had to do it. I got out of 257 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 5: the army and wanted to go to school. I could 258 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,960 Speaker 5: only afford a class or two at a time, which 259 00:15:56,000 --> 00:15:58,680 Speaker 5: is what I did, and I had to pay for him. 260 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 5: I didn't take that alone because that was working. 261 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 2: Hey, Dave, I goofed it. I goofed it. Horrible clock management, 262 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 2: less Miles style. You'll be our first call on the 263 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:13,880 Speaker 2: other side. Hang tight one eight hundred two two eight 264 00:16:13,920 --> 00:16:16,840 Speaker 2: eight two. I'm Michael Berry in for Clay and Buck 265 00:16:16,920 --> 00:16:22,480 Speaker 2: and honored to be so more coming up, Oh I 266 00:16:22,560 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 2: still have more time. Well, the cool thing is Mike 267 00:16:27,440 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 2: from the Rush Limbaugh Show just told me I was 268 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,200 Speaker 2: an idiot. So that's like the greatest compliment I can get. 269 00:16:32,760 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 2: Maybe both nerdle kick me in the stomach here to 270 00:16:35,960 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 2: this is the best day ever. Michael Berry in for 271 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 2: Clay and Buck. Let's take the top four private university 272 00:16:51,160 --> 00:16:55,920 Speaker 2: endowments alone. That would be Harvard at fifty billion, Yale 273 00:16:55,960 --> 00:17:01,680 Speaker 2: at forty one, Stanford at thirty eight, Princeton at thirty six. 274 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:06,800 Speaker 2: You've got one hundred and sixty billion dollars in endowment 275 00:17:06,880 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 2: money there. Doesn't it seem like if someone goes to 276 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 2: the University of someone goes to Harvard University, where presidents 277 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 2: have gone. They work so hard to get into Harvard. 278 00:17:22,400 --> 00:17:25,359 Speaker 2: We'll get into the affirmative action ruling in a moment, 279 00:17:25,520 --> 00:17:29,000 Speaker 2: But the school that everyone wants to get into is 280 00:17:29,040 --> 00:17:34,400 Speaker 2: Harvard University. For some reason, the secret handshake, the jacket. 281 00:17:35,160 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 2: It's not that the experience while you're theirs any better. 282 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:40,919 Speaker 2: It's supposed to be that when you get out, you 283 00:17:41,080 --> 00:17:45,600 Speaker 2: have riches just waiting. You can't decide who will get 284 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 2: your services and pay you so much for them. If 285 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:54,360 Speaker 2: they have fifty billion dollars in an endowment and one 286 00:17:54,359 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 2: of their students who they lure there graduates and can 287 00:18:00,320 --> 00:18:03,679 Speaker 2: pay back their student loans, now we have a very 288 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 2: simple question who should pay back that loan? Should it 289 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:14,200 Speaker 2: be the kid in Beaumont, Texas who graduated high school 290 00:18:14,600 --> 00:18:18,520 Speaker 2: didn't go to the university, but started to work as 291 00:18:18,560 --> 00:18:24,240 Speaker 2: an apprentice as an electrician or a plumber or a 292 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 2: carpenter who, in the scalding Texas heat of over one 293 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 2: hundred degrees during the summer, was hauling bricks as a mason. 294 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 2: So that guy is scraping paying his taxes on everything 295 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 2: he makes and everything he spends. Maybe he's got a 296 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,280 Speaker 2: young family, he gets married, he's got a child, he's 297 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:45,639 Speaker 2: paying for all of that. He doesn't get any loans 298 00:18:45,640 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 2: for any of that. Why should that guy's tax dollars 299 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:53,200 Speaker 2: have to go to pay back the loan for the 300 00:18:53,320 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 2: kid who got to go to Harvard and for four 301 00:18:55,520 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 2: years went off to camp toga parties, beer pong. I mean, 302 00:19:02,280 --> 00:19:04,280 Speaker 2: it's a pretty good life if you can get it. 303 00:19:04,320 --> 00:19:06,400 Speaker 2: That's why a lot of people don't graduate in four years. 304 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 2: Why would they. It's a cold, cruel world out there. 305 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 2: So why should somebody who gets that experience and takes 306 00:19:14,040 --> 00:19:18,760 Speaker 2: on a loan eyes wide open? Well, the Democrats act like, well, 307 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:22,120 Speaker 2: you know, at nineteen or twenty or twenty one, you 308 00:19:22,200 --> 00:19:26,560 Speaker 2: can't really appreciate what a loan is that you have 309 00:19:26,640 --> 00:19:29,800 Speaker 2: to pay it back. These are the same people that 310 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 2: ten years younger, you can have your junk cut off. 311 00:19:33,720 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 2: These are the same people that think you should be 312 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:39,600 Speaker 2: able to transition from one sex to the other irreparably 313 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,480 Speaker 2: at eight or nine years old without your parents knowing 314 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 2: about it. These are the same people that believe you 315 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:49,040 Speaker 2: should be able to start voting at sixteen, but you 316 00:19:49,080 --> 00:19:55,400 Speaker 2: can't take on a basic note a contract alone when 317 00:19:55,400 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 2: you're twenty or twenty one. This defies all logic because 318 00:19:59,480 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 2: it's not like, it's not reasonable, it's purely political. It's 319 00:20:04,760 --> 00:20:09,960 Speaker 2: a ploy to lock down groups to vote for the Democrats. 320 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 2: And that'll be the affirmative action case. We get to 321 00:20:11,840 --> 00:20:15,560 Speaker 2: it just a moment. Let's go to Bruce in Louisville, Kentucky. 322 00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:18,280 Speaker 2: You're on the Clay and Buck Show with Michael Berry. Welcome, sir, 323 00:20:18,320 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 2: Go ahead. 324 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 4: Okay. My question is nobody talks about lowering the interest 325 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 4: rate on these loans instead of giving them money. I mean, 326 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 4: I got my loans back in like nineteen sixty seven. 327 00:20:37,119 --> 00:20:41,120 Speaker 4: It was either go to the army or medical school 328 00:20:41,280 --> 00:20:47,159 Speaker 4: or dental school. I knew nothing about dental school, and 329 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 4: an f in organic chemistry kept me out of medical school, 330 00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 4: so I applied dental school, and goal of got in 331 00:20:56,800 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 4: and turned out I actually liked it. And you know, 332 00:21:01,160 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 4: nobody in my family was the dentist or anything like that. 333 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:09,959 Speaker 4: And UH started paying and got loans to you know, 334 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:12,840 Speaker 4: go through that, and then ended up in the army 335 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:18,679 Speaker 4: and and started paying at one percent. I mean the 336 00:21:18,720 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 4: loans were one percent. And then when I started making 337 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 4: some money, he just paid more than your one percent. 338 00:21:31,080 --> 00:21:37,200 Speaker 4: He paid more in principle. And you know, after three 339 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:41,479 Speaker 4: years in the army and one year in them and 340 00:21:41,480 --> 00:21:46,000 Speaker 4: and all that and setting up the practice and money 341 00:21:46,000 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 4: started coming in and more went to the loan, and 342 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:54,200 Speaker 4: pretty soon eybe or ninety thousand bucks was gone to 343 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 4: pay off the student loan. But it was at one percent. 344 00:21:58,400 --> 00:22:02,880 Speaker 4: And these guys are paying six hear and that's tough 345 00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 4: to do. 346 00:22:05,560 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 2: Well, Bruce, That's less than they're paying for a home 347 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 2: loan in most cases. But number two, you got to 348 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 2: realize these young people today who don't want to pay 349 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:18,639 Speaker 2: these things back. They think nothing has spending five or 350 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:21,880 Speaker 2: seven bucks for a cup of coffee at Starbucks. When 351 00:22:21,920 --> 00:22:24,480 Speaker 2: you do that for twenty five days out of the month, 352 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:28,159 Speaker 2: you could pay back your student loans. You know, let 353 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 2: me give you a better example. So my dad was 354 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:32,840 Speaker 2: a maintenance man for DuPont in Orange, Texas, which is 355 00:22:32,840 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 2: on the Texas Louisiana border, and there were strict rules 356 00:22:36,359 --> 00:22:39,240 Speaker 2: in our home, and one of those rules was if 357 00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 2: you borrow Dad's tool, you put it back where you 358 00:22:43,760 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 2: found it, and if you didn't, the whole family had 359 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,359 Speaker 2: to hear about it. The reason was he was teaching 360 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 2: us a set of values. That tool doesn't belong to me, 361 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,080 Speaker 2: It belongs to my dad. He earned the money to 362 00:22:57,080 --> 00:22:59,400 Speaker 2: pay for it. He uses that tool to fix things 363 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:03,200 Speaker 2: around the house. We didn't hire outside people to fix 364 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,919 Speaker 2: things around the house. So when you take something, you 365 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:11,240 Speaker 2: give it back. That's a value, that's a moral, that's 366 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:15,479 Speaker 2: a lesson, that's a conviction. Right. I don't think it 367 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:20,200 Speaker 2: is a function of the interest rate being too high 368 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 2: that's causing these people not to want to pay back 369 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 2: their loans. It is a sense that that which is 370 00:23:27,680 --> 00:23:34,639 Speaker 2: given to you, loaned to you, must be repaid. This 371 00:23:34,800 --> 00:23:37,159 Speaker 2: is the same mindset of an immigrant that comes to 372 00:23:37,200 --> 00:23:41,520 Speaker 2: this country and the day you arrive, you've built nothing, 373 00:23:42,400 --> 00:23:46,280 Speaker 2: You've fought no worse, you've paid no taxes, you've constructed 374 00:23:46,320 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 2: no roads, you've constructed no schools, but you arrive and 375 00:23:50,880 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 2: all of a sudden, you're an international student. You get 376 00:23:54,280 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 2: a teaching assistantship so you can sustain yourself with a 377 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:02,399 Speaker 2: monthly aunt of money. You get to go to school 378 00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:06,160 Speaker 2: and get your graduate degree or your PhD, which, particularly 379 00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 2: in engineering, feels means you're going to make more money. 380 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,560 Speaker 2: There are some people who come here as immigrants and 381 00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 2: send and feel an abiding sense for the rest of 382 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:21,679 Speaker 2: their lives that this country took a chance on me. 383 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 2: This country gave to me before I gave to this country. 384 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 2: That's my wife's view. She went to college in India. 385 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 2: She will always view herself as a proud Indian because 386 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 2: that's where she's from and lived her first almost twenty 387 00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:40,800 Speaker 2: two years. That's her people, that's what she looks like, 388 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:45,080 Speaker 2: that's the languages she learned to speak. But make no mistake, 389 00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,640 Speaker 2: she is as proud an American as you'll ever find, 390 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 2: and in part because this country gave to her unconditionally 391 00:24:56,480 --> 00:24:59,760 Speaker 2: and it wasn't an exchange. She could have taken her 392 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 2: youth university education, she could have fled back to India. 393 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:06,080 Speaker 2: She could have used the fruits of that. And there 394 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,000 Speaker 2: are a lot of immigrants who come to this country 395 00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,680 Speaker 2: who have this mindset. You see it every day. They 396 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 2: have this sense of obligation, this sense of appreciation, and 397 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 2: that's what this country was built on. And then you 398 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:28,920 Speaker 2: get the omar Ilhun crowd, this idea that well, I'm 399 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 2: from a war torn country and I come here and 400 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,080 Speaker 2: I also don't like this country. Now, gimme, gimme, gimme. 401 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,760 Speaker 2: It's really a question of going back to what were 402 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,119 Speaker 2: you taught as a child. If you took daddy's hammer 403 00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:46,760 Speaker 2: out of the toolbox, should you have to replace daddy's 404 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:50,439 Speaker 2: hammer or should he just get over it and go 405 00:25:50,520 --> 00:25:54,960 Speaker 2: buy himself another one. These are the basic life lessons 406 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:57,800 Speaker 2: we learn as a child. If you're supposed to make 407 00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 2: your bed when you wake up, where you're not expected 408 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 2: to pay the bills, you don't have to have a job, 409 00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 2: the food is provided for you, the electricity has provided 410 00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,280 Speaker 2: the housing is provided for you. The least you can 411 00:26:07,320 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 2: do because you're expected to do so is make your 412 00:26:10,040 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 2: bed and keep your room clean. Well, some people understand 413 00:26:14,160 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 2: that's better than a fair deal for me, and some 414 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 2: people are put out because, in addition to everything else 415 00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:23,760 Speaker 2: being free in their lives. They it's slave labor that 416 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 2: I have to make my bed and keep my room clean. 417 00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:30,600 Speaker 2: And we've achieved the point I wanted to get to. 418 00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 2: It's not about dollars and cents. It's not about a 419 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 2: university education. It's not about what the interest rate is. 420 00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 2: It's a very simple question of what the values of 421 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:50,320 Speaker 2: a people are. It's a very simple question of what 422 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:55,679 Speaker 2: the character of a people are. You can look back 423 00:26:56,160 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 2: to Jamestown, you can look back to Roanoke, you can 424 00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:03,400 Speaker 2: look back to the early days of Virginia. Tomorrow being 425 00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:07,800 Speaker 2: the day that we celebrate our independence, you can look 426 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 2: back to that founding document. The founders, the five and 427 00:27:13,119 --> 00:27:17,840 Speaker 2: Jefferson writing the first draft, didn't expect anything for nothing. 428 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,040 Speaker 2: They expected a sense of fairness, a sense of justice. 429 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 2: They expected their natural rights, which are given by God 430 00:27:25,480 --> 00:27:29,640 Speaker 2: and not man, to be honored and respected. These were 431 00:27:29,680 --> 00:27:33,840 Speaker 2: people who did not want to break with the king. 432 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 2: These are people who did not expect that money would 433 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,400 Speaker 2: be sent to them that they wouldn't repay. They simply 434 00:27:40,400 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 2: didn't want to pay more than their fair share. They 435 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:46,080 Speaker 2: didn't want taxation without representation. They didn't want to fund 436 00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,240 Speaker 2: English wars in the East they didn't want to pay 437 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:53,119 Speaker 2: for things that were unjust, but they wanted nothing for nothing. 438 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 2: All right, we're up against a break. We'll continue our conversation. 439 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:01,480 Speaker 2: One eight hundred eight eight two. Michael Berry in for 440 00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:11,879 Speaker 2: Clay and Buck. More coming up. I'm Michael Berry in 441 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 2: for Clay and Buck. Some major decisions coming out of 442 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 2: the Supreme Court last week, most of them two are liking. 443 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:24,480 Speaker 2: One that's not getting a lot of attention regarding redistricting 444 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:29,400 Speaker 2: that could have the effect of flipping the House simply 445 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:33,560 Speaker 2: by carving up districts to create new black and in 446 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:38,040 Speaker 2: Texas a Hispanic district. Now, what's crazy about this and 447 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,280 Speaker 2: we'll talk about it more in the next hour. Is 448 00:28:40,320 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 2: you take Wesley Hunt. Wesley Hunt's first term congressman from 449 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 2: Texas in a district that is mostly white. He happens 450 00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,720 Speaker 2: to be black. He went to West Point, he got 451 00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 2: a graduate degree. 452 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 5: He was a. 453 00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 2: Helicopter pilot in a combat zone. He is a father, 454 00:29:01,960 --> 00:29:06,880 Speaker 2: he is a conservative, and he is representing a district 455 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 2: as a black man that is mostly white. Now, the 456 00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:16,000 Speaker 2: cases that were brought before the Supreme Court say, well, 457 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,840 Speaker 2: if you've got x percentage of blacks in a state, 458 00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:24,720 Speaker 2: North Carolina, Louisiana, Alabama, Now Texas, you got x percentage 459 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 2: of blacks in a state, you should have x percentage 460 00:29:28,560 --> 00:29:33,479 Speaker 2: of congressmen of that skin color in that district. But 461 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,960 Speaker 2: that's not really what they mean. What they really mean 462 00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,120 Speaker 2: is you should have districts that are majority black so 463 00:29:39,160 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 2: we can elect the next Shila Jackson Lee or Maxine 464 00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:46,360 Speaker 2: Waters or someone else who claims to speak for black people. 465 00:29:47,280 --> 00:29:50,920 Speaker 2: But I sure hope they don't because they're idiots, complete 466 00:29:50,920 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 2: and utter idiots. We'll also talk about the affirmative Action 467 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:57,360 Speaker 2: ruling and the three to zero three creative which is 468 00:29:57,400 --> 00:30:01,480 Speaker 2: the bake my cake and make my web site bigot cases. 469 00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:06,360 Speaker 2: But first, Dan in Savannah, Georgia, your thoughts on the 470 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 2: student loan ruling last week? Go ahead, sir. 471 00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 6: Hey, how you doing, sir? Great job today? 472 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:13,680 Speaker 2: Thank you? 473 00:30:13,760 --> 00:30:15,800 Speaker 6: Some more information on you so we can follow you 474 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:17,720 Speaker 6: because I did my first time hearing you, and you've 475 00:30:17,720 --> 00:30:19,720 Speaker 6: got a lot of good perspectives. I'd like to follow more. 476 00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:25,240 Speaker 2: Well, you're you're very kind. It's Michael Berryshow dot com. 477 00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:27,480 Speaker 2: And I am grateful to Clay and Buck and the 478 00:30:27,600 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 2: entire team for giving me the opportunity to visit with 479 00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 2: folks I wouldn't get to visit with otherwise. What's your thought, 480 00:30:32,280 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 2: my man? 481 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:36,640 Speaker 6: Awesome? So Sat Friday, I was watching a Fox News 482 00:30:36,640 --> 00:30:40,720 Speaker 6: show and interviewing a couple young people. One man was 483 00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,320 Speaker 6: for the student loan bailouts and the other man was 484 00:30:43,360 --> 00:30:46,080 Speaker 6: a kind or. The other woman was against. And the 485 00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 6: man's rationally rationalizing behind it was that in the two 486 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:52,960 Speaker 6: years that he hasn't had to pay back his student loan, 487 00:30:53,000 --> 00:30:54,600 Speaker 6: he was able to save up enough money to put 488 00:30:54,600 --> 00:30:57,840 Speaker 6: a down payment on a house. Now he can't afford 489 00:30:57,880 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 6: to pay. 490 00:30:58,120 --> 00:30:59,000 Speaker 4: Back his student loan. 491 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:05,440 Speaker 6: How they're a Republican party in the Conservatives and the 492 00:31:05,640 --> 00:31:08,840 Speaker 6: justice in the Supreme Court make it where he can't 493 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:09,840 Speaker 6: pay for his home. 494 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:18,360 Speaker 2: You know, Dan, you remind me of a story. Let's 495 00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 2: go back to two thousand and five. Katrina has just 496 00:31:22,480 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 2: walloped New Orleans, one of my favorite cities in American history. 497 00:31:27,000 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 2: Katrina has just walloped New Orleans, and a lot of 498 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:33,520 Speaker 2: folks from New Orleans, particularly the ninth Ward, have relocated 499 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:37,280 Speaker 2: west to Houston. And so the city of Houston with 500 00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 2: a Democrat mayor who wants to be governor after he's mayor, 501 00:31:41,560 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 2: has rolled out the red carpet, and so we've converted 502 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 2: our convention center to a housing center, which meant, of 503 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:51,720 Speaker 2: course we couldn't hold our conventions. So he was the 504 00:31:51,720 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 2: Democrat mayor and I was the Republican vice mayor. The 505 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:58,800 Speaker 2: mayor pro tempt and so all these folks are relocated 506 00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 2: here and they're up in housing in our George R. 507 00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:05,360 Speaker 2: Brown Convention Center, our big convention center hall where we 508 00:32:05,440 --> 00:32:07,960 Speaker 2: normally would have big conventions, bring a lot of tourists 509 00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:11,280 Speaker 2: into town. So they give these folks, I think it 510 00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 2: was three thousand dollars, they give them a three thousand 511 00:32:14,320 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 2: dollars one time injection in Hey, Hurricane Katrina was awful. 512 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 2: There's no doubting that. What it did to New Orleans, 513 00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 2: no doubting that. So now they're getting everything, free housing, food, 514 00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 2: you name it. And these are folks who didn't leave 515 00:32:28,560 --> 00:32:31,080 Speaker 2: New Orleans when the storm came through. Now they've relocated 516 00:32:31,080 --> 00:32:33,960 Speaker 2: to Houston, where they've been brought here for free, and 517 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 2: they're getting free housing, food, you name it. They gave 518 00:32:37,960 --> 00:32:41,480 Speaker 2: them a three thousand dollars voucher. And the big news 519 00:32:41,960 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 2: that night on the local Houston TV news was that 520 00:32:46,120 --> 00:32:49,000 Speaker 2: there was a line out the door at the Gucci 521 00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:56,160 Speaker 2: store because they were buying three thousand dollars purses. You know, 522 00:32:57,280 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 2: sometimes folks don't share your values, and you think that 523 00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:06,760 Speaker 2: what they lack is money. No, what they lack is 524 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 2: common sense and good decision making. What they lack is 525 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:15,280 Speaker 2: parents who taught them good values and appreciation for money 526 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 2: and the understanding that if you borrow something, you pay 527 00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 2: it back, if you receive something, you put it to 528 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 2: its highest and best use. But the Democrats don't want 529 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 2: to reward those values because then they wouldn't need the 530 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 2: Democrats to solve other problems, now would they. Michael Barry 531 00:33:30,440 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 2: in for Claying Buck. More coming up