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Speaker 2: It is Bloomberg Business Week. Let's get a check on Intel, Carol,

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Speaker 2: because this is the stock to watch in the after

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Speaker 2: hours right now. Shares just absolutely creatoring the companies Wow

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Speaker 2: down eleven percent. A series of what we call red

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Speaker 2: stickies here, this company suspending its dibben end. The revenue

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Speaker 2: outlook missed. It's a third quarter revenue come in third

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Speaker 2: quarter revenue. The outlook goes from to twelve point five

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Speaker 2: billion to thirteen point five billion. Estimates were for fourteen

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Speaker 2: point three eight billion. They're implementing a more than fifteen

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Speaker 2: percent headcount reduction. They've announced a ten billion dollar cost

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Speaker 2: reduction plan, and they've suspended that dividends starting in the

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Speaker 2: fourth quarter of twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 3: Looking at our Ian King, who follows the sevenconductor space

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Speaker 3: out with his story on the Bloomberg about Intel. He

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Speaker 3: talks to us. It reminds us at CEO Pat Gelsinger,

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Speaker 3: despite a massive spending plan to restore Intel to industry prominence,

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Speaker 3: is struggling to improve the company's products and technology fast

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Speaker 3: enough to retain customers. And so this is part of

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Speaker 3: the problem. Right. They've been trying to do this turnaround,

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Speaker 3: and it's been imperative for Pat Gelsinger and the company

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Speaker 3: This is not necessarily a quarter that shows any kind

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Speaker 3: of progress. If anything, that shows that they've got to

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Speaker 3: continue to kind of rein in costs and try and

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Speaker 3: figure this out.

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Speaker 2: Okay, well, let's see what James Chalkmok has to say

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Speaker 2: about this. He's a technology analyst over at Clockwise Capital. James,

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Speaker 2: good to have you with us. We love talking to

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Speaker 2: you around earnings. You guys have the ticker time is

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Speaker 2: your ETF. I don't see Intel in there. This is

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Speaker 2: a company though I know you followed in the past.

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Speaker 2: Tell us your reaction to this huge news out of

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Speaker 2: Intel with this cost reduction plan, suspend the dividend in

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Speaker 2: these thousands of layoffs.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean they have to do something right.

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Speaker 5: You know, they have to write the ship somehow because

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Speaker 5: the growth is just anemic. And one way to do

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Speaker 5: that is to find a way to grow, grow again,

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Speaker 5: or you can.

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Speaker 4: Fix things on the expense side.

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Speaker 5: And it looks like they're giving up on the former

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Speaker 5: and going toward the ladder, and you know, we're turning

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Speaker 5: slightly more cautious on standings. More broadly, we've been cutting

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Speaker 5: our exposure there across the board. We're basically just now

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Speaker 5: left with Navidia, a little bit of SMCI on the

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Speaker 4: So you know, we're rotating the portfolio.

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Speaker 5: When we think that this rotation out of tech is

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Speaker 5: going to be more prolonged and not just kind of

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Speaker 5: the last two weeks that we.

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Speaker 3: Saw, why are you rotating out of Socks? We talked

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Speaker 3: about this with our Gina Martin Adams, who follows the

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Speaker 3: equity universe for US are you know, chief equity strategist

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Speaker 3: here in the US. I mean, the Socks is up

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Speaker 3: about sixteen percent this year, but we've had two volatile

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Speaker 3: leading indicator. You're saying that in terms of the semi cycle,

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Speaker 5: Well, i'd say across large tech more broadly, we've been

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Speaker 5: really borrowing from twenty twenty five returns. You know, you am,

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Speaker 5: Apple and Microsoft are probably the poster childs of pulling

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Speaker 5: from twenty twenty five forward. A lot of hype obviously

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Speaker 5: but a lot of that is increasingly priced in. So

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Speaker 5: have now fed swaps pricing in three rate cuts by

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Speaker 5: the end of the year, which to us is somewhat absurd.

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Speaker 4: You know, so the likelihood of the probability.

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Speaker 5: So I think you got to be more balanced, you know,

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Speaker 4: So we've been diversifying out of large.

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Speaker 5: Cap tech and broadening out the portfolio to the sectors

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Speaker 5: quite frankly, really aren't part of the innovation tilt that

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Speaker 2: Right, always You're always come on on days where Snap

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Speaker 2: reports earnings, and I know you don't own Snap. I

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Speaker 2: know you covered Snap from the beginning when at ICI

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Speaker 2: owed you and I spoke years ago, James, you changed

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Speaker 2: your tune on this company. Shares are down twenty two

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Speaker 2: the third quarter of the guidance missed the average analyst estimate.

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Speaker 5: I mean, I'll say the same thing I tell you

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Speaker 5: You know, they had Van Stiegel laid out the vision.

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Speaker 5: You know, it was a sound one, but they had

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Speaker 5: need to be. You know, you can either be an

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Speaker 5: can be super niche and drive engagement.

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Speaker 4: And monetization on a per user basis. They're doing neither

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Speaker 5: And I just think that there's just kind of lost

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Speaker 5: is one that's rewarding companies that have failed in recent

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Speaker 4: Snap I definitely wouldn't put into that bucket.

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Speaker 3: Let's go to Amazon. Obviously, we've talked a lot about,

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Speaker 3: you know, the companies that are reporting today, Amazon and

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Speaker 3: it comes to the Nasdaq one hundred. Amazon's down more

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Speaker 3: So the outlook not very upbeat. Second quarter or AWS

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Speaker 2: I was just going to add in for James that

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Speaker 2: it's the sixth biggest holding in your clockwise Core Equity

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Speaker 2: and Innovation ETF. So it does make up about four

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it's four percent now six percent a week ago.

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Speaker 5: you know, there was a lot of hype around it,

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Speaker 5: quite frankly, and it's happening, which is good, but you know,

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Speaker 5: a positive note, AWS is doing quite well.

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Speaker 4: That was slightly better than expected.

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Speaker 5: So all in all, I'd say it's a it's a

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Speaker 5: pretty good quarter, but you know it's it's one that

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Speaker 5: was certainly we'll see what they say on the call.

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Speaker 4: But I think this falls into my.

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Speaker 5: Comments earlier about big calf Tech just can't be overweight

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Speaker 5: these names to the same degree as you look into

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Speaker 3: So James, So the selling that we're seeing in the aftermarket,

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Speaker 3: I mean, this is Amazon is up twenty one percent

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Speaker 3: do it. I'm just going to go basic. You know,

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Speaker 3: your forward pe of about forty But is this just

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Speaker 3: still like, but maybe valuation wise, maybe that is some

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Speaker 5: I think, I mean, they ultimately missed numbers, right, so

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Speaker 5: you Ago is coming yeah, and the ALOGO is coming

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Speaker 5: in exacerbating.

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Speaker 4: The pressure.

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Speaker 5: But you know, they could walk it back on the call,

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Speaker 5: provide more colored commentary.

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Speaker 4: I got to look at you see exactly where the

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Speaker 5: But that being said, you know, I think it's just

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Speaker 5: of what happens the big tech from here, and.

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Speaker 4: You know, a lot of these have had remarkable runs.

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Speaker 5: Will they be able to perform in the second half

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Speaker 4: We just don't think so.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So what does happen to big tech here? I mean,

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Speaker 2: in videos, you're top holding it's a five percent of

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Speaker 5: Yeah, well it was four yesterday and then uh then

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Speaker 5: it went on it was like four point three and

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Speaker 4: Yes today's movement. Yeah, we got to evaluate Navidia.

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Speaker 4: Maintaining that more sizable weight.

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Speaker 5: It's really the other companies within the semi space that

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Speaker 5: we're we've shed from the portfolio and really we're just.

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Speaker 4: Limiting it to.

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Speaker 3: All right, well, there's a lot going on, and the

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Speaker 3: those numbers. James chock Mak, thank you so much. Busy

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Speaker 3: earnings day and you walked us through at he's tech

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Speaker 3: analyst ever at Clockwise Capital