1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:03,640 Speaker 1: The Friday edition of Clay and Buck kicks off right now, 2 00:00:03,840 --> 00:00:06,640 Speaker 1: and we have updates for you on the horrific crash 3 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:10,119 Speaker 1: in Washington, d C. We'll talk about what we know 4 00:00:10,280 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: the details. Also, our friend Ambert Smith will be with us. 5 00:00:14,400 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: She is a former Kiowa combat helicopter pilot, to join 6 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 1: us bottom of this hour to talk about what she 7 00:00:21,400 --> 00:00:24,360 Speaker 1: thinks has happened here. Also, there's new video out to 8 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:27,800 Speaker 1: show the crash from different angles, really the collision from 9 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:32,920 Speaker 1: different angles between that Blackhawk helicopter and the Regional jet. 10 00:00:33,760 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: They've just collided at high speed. Sixty seven deaths from this, 11 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: as we know, at a horrible tragedy and something that 12 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: has to be averted in the future. So it's important 13 00:00:45,760 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: to figure out what went wrong here, what could be 14 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: done differently. There's already reporting that there were not there 15 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: were not the proper staffing for the air traffic controllers 16 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 1: at the time of this, which is obviously incredibly upsetting 17 00:01:03,200 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 1: for everyone to hear staffing levels not normal inside the 18 00:01:06,800 --> 00:01:10,319 Speaker 1: Reagan Airport control tower during the time of the crash. 19 00:01:10,400 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: According to The Washington Post, there was no single controller 20 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,840 Speaker 1: dedicated to managing helicopter traffic, so we'll get into more 21 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,280 Speaker 1: of these details. We also have some other stories we're 22 00:01:21,319 --> 00:01:26,880 Speaker 1: going to cover today. The confirmation battles for Cash Betel 23 00:01:27,000 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: and Tulci Gabbard. Those still underway. We're going to see 24 00:01:30,840 --> 00:01:33,880 Speaker 1: how all of that shakes out. And we've got some 25 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: updates from Trump himself, including on birthright citizenship. I think 26 00:01:38,400 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 1: he's got it right. Clay thinks he's got it right. 27 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:44,039 Speaker 1: We will the court Supreme Court end up thinking. We'll 28 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: discuss this coming up over the course of the show. 29 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: We also have our friend Will Kine, by the way, 30 00:01:49,640 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 1: who I really started my media career alongside at The 31 00:01:53,480 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 1: Blaze many years ago. He is just saying very very like, 32 00:01:56,760 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 1: look very proud. He's had an amazing, amazing arc, the 33 00:02:00,240 --> 00:02:02,920 Speaker 1: four PM host at Fox News. Another guy that we 34 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:04,160 Speaker 1: used to do that show with a lot of Pete 35 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: Hegseth who's now Secretary of Defense, and Will's former co hosts. 36 00:02:07,760 --> 00:02:11,160 Speaker 1: So we will talk about so Will and I were 37 00:02:11,200 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: co host, Pete and Will were co hosts. We'll talk 38 00:02:13,440 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: to Will about his new show and everything going up 39 00:02:15,320 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: in the news. That's in the third hour. You all 40 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:20,080 Speaker 1: know Will Kane, so we'll be joined by him, but 41 00:02:20,120 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: you know, Clay, there's already a kind of a fierce 42 00:02:23,280 --> 00:02:29,919 Speaker 1: back and forth over the ideological problems that may have 43 00:02:30,000 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 1: been caused within or that may have caused problems within 44 00:02:33,200 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: idological issues that may have caused problems within the air 45 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: traffic control system, within selection for pilots, any of these things. 46 00:02:41,000 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: There's a lot of conversation going on around around this. 47 00:02:44,480 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 1: And we know that diversity, equity and inclusion has been 48 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: a focus of airlines in recent years. We know the 49 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:57,000 Speaker 1: government under Biden has been pushing this relentlessly. Well, here's 50 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: a throwback during the Biden years. But I think you 51 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: all need to see this is back just in twenty 52 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:07,000 Speaker 1: twenty three, so not long ago. And it is Senator 53 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: Ted Cruz who is questioning. This is a longer clip. 54 00:03:11,320 --> 00:03:13,120 Speaker 1: We wanted you to hear the whole thing. He is 55 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:19,240 Speaker 1: questioning Biden's nominee for FAA Administrator, Phil Washington. I want 56 00:03:19,280 --> 00:03:21,480 Speaker 1: you to listen in and think to yourself, as Ted 57 00:03:21,560 --> 00:03:24,400 Speaker 1: Cruz is working through this, why the heck should this 58 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: person be in charge of the FAA, which deals with 59 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:28,359 Speaker 1: safety in the skies. 60 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:30,640 Speaker 2: Play it every flowing a plane. Thank you for the question, 61 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:32,760 Speaker 2: Senator No, I have never flown a plane. 62 00:03:32,600 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 3: So you weren't a military pilot or a commercial airline pilot. 63 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 2: No center, have you ever worked for an airline? No center. 64 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,960 Speaker 2: Have you ever worked as an air traffic controller? No Senator, 65 00:03:41,000 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 2: he ever worked for. 66 00:03:41,680 --> 00:03:44,760 Speaker 3: A company that manufactures airplanes? No Cenator, you ever worked 67 00:03:44,760 --> 00:03:46,600 Speaker 3: for a company that fixes airplanes? 68 00:03:46,720 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 2: No center. 69 00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 3: FA administrator is a specialized position. I'm not qualified to 70 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,920 Speaker 3: be FA administrator. I've no idea how a flyplane. No 71 00:03:54,960 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 3: one in their right mind would put me in charge 72 00:03:57,400 --> 00:04:00,360 Speaker 3: of aviation safety because I don't have that experience, suspect. 73 00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:02,120 Speaker 3: Most of the members of this committee are in a 74 00:04:02,160 --> 00:04:06,280 Speaker 3: similar position. The American people when they think about aviation safety, 75 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 3: When they think about I played in this committee a 76 00:04:09,040 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 3: Southwest Airlines and FedEx plane almost colliding at Austin's Airport, 77 00:04:14,920 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 3: they want an FA administrator who knows why those planes 78 00:04:18,440 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 3: crash and knows how to fix it to keep them safe. 79 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,320 Speaker 3: And with all respect, mister Washington, it gives no comfort 80 00:04:24,839 --> 00:04:28,400 Speaker 3: to the flying public that their pilot might be a 81 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 3: transgendered witch but doesn't actually know how to prevent the 82 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,640 Speaker 3: plane from crashing into the ground and killing them. I 83 00:04:34,720 --> 00:04:38,839 Speaker 3: believe your record is woefully lacking, and in fact. 84 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:41,160 Speaker 2: You have zero aviation safety experience. 85 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: I think this exchange typifies a lot of what's upset 86 00:04:45,440 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 1: people right now. 87 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 4: Clay totally, and again we still have to get the 88 00:04:49,680 --> 00:04:52,600 Speaker 4: full details to come out. There's a new video buck 89 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:56,520 Speaker 4: that I'm sure you have seen, that shows even in 90 00:04:56,880 --> 00:05:02,720 Speaker 4: more detail the collision between the helicopter and the pilot. 91 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 4: And it seems as more and more evidence is coming 92 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:09,000 Speaker 4: out that what we talked about yesterday when we took 93 00:05:09,000 --> 00:05:12,160 Speaker 4: a lot of phone calls on this, seems like much 94 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 4: of this is going to come down to the helicopter 95 00:05:14,839 --> 00:05:19,160 Speaker 4: and air traffic control. The actual airplane pilot, it appears, 96 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 4: had no knowledge to there's any evidence that he had 97 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:27,320 Speaker 4: any knowledge of the helicopter or could have seen it. 98 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 4: Trump himself has tweeted that the helicopter pilot was flying 99 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,120 Speaker 4: too tall, too high, too high of an elevation around 100 00:05:35,160 --> 00:05:38,400 Speaker 4: four hundred feet instead of where they usually fly, which 101 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 4: is two hundred feet above ground, so that has to 102 00:05:41,760 --> 00:05:46,160 Speaker 4: be determined. There is audio of air traffic control. Now 103 00:05:46,160 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 4: there's reports that air traffic control might have been understaffed 104 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:51,680 Speaker 4: on that day, which certainly is something to be investigated. 105 00:05:51,720 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 1: As well, But there is air. 106 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 4: Traffic control communicating with the helicopter and letting them know 107 00:05:57,920 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 4: about this airplane. And I think, based on all the 108 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 4: evidence that is coming out, it seems quite clear that 109 00:06:06,360 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 4: this helicopter pilot and the crew on the helicopter did 110 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:15,360 Speaker 4: not see and were not aware of the American Airlines 111 00:06:15,400 --> 00:06:18,920 Speaker 4: flight coming in from Wichita. So at some point the 112 00:06:18,960 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 4: assessment of blame should there have been a more specific 113 00:06:22,720 --> 00:06:27,040 Speaker 4: designation given to the air traffic control. Were the helicopter 114 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,160 Speaker 4: crew looking at another airplane and believing that they were 115 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:35,440 Speaker 4: doing what they thought was appropriate based on the seeing 116 00:06:35,480 --> 00:06:39,240 Speaker 4: that airplane. There's still a lot of details to come out, 117 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,919 Speaker 4: but human error seems quite clearly to have been the 118 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,960 Speaker 4: culprit here, and we need to make sure that we 119 00:06:46,000 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 4: don't have human error like this again. 120 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:52,359 Speaker 1: Steven Miller, the Deputy White House Chief of Staff, this 121 00:06:52,440 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 1: is cut eight. He weighed on this heavily. And you 122 00:06:55,000 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: know they're tried to say, oh, Trump, why is he 123 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 1: going there? No, because he's saying things that people, under 124 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: the circumstances want to be said out loud, because everyone's 125 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:10,440 Speaker 1: sick of not being able to talk about how these 126 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,840 Speaker 1: focuses on DEI affect things like staffing, affect things like 127 00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,640 Speaker 1: meritocracy and excellence. Here's Stephen Miller play eight. 128 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:22,040 Speaker 5: Well, it's absolutely heartbreaking and this devastating, but even more 129 00:07:22,080 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 5: so because it's so preventable. As President Trump said today, 130 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:29,000 Speaker 5: over the last four years, the FAA, the Federal Aviation 131 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:32,960 Speaker 5: Administration and Air Traffic Control under Jobudden have been dedicated 132 00:07:33,000 --> 00:07:36,560 Speaker 5: to a mission, not a public safety, not of safe aviation, 133 00:07:37,120 --> 00:07:40,280 Speaker 5: but versity, equity and inclusion. And they've pushed an agenda 134 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 5: trying to advance social engineering, political ideology, trying to hire 135 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:48,480 Speaker 5: people at the FA who are not capable or competent 136 00:07:48,520 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 5: for the job. 137 00:07:49,200 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 2: And that completely changes the agency culture. 138 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 5: It means instead of spending four years trying to solve 139 00:07:54,600 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 5: these systemic problems, all these near misses, ins that all 140 00:07:57,480 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 5: that intellectual capital at the agency is spent trying to 141 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 5: meet these programs and trying to fulfill these quotas. 142 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:07,760 Speaker 1: This is the heart of the issue on so many things. Clay, 143 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: this came up in the California wildfires. As we know, 144 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 1: there were the there was the what was the there 145 00:08:13,640 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: was a like a non binary or like a lesbian 146 00:08:17,040 --> 00:08:20,120 Speaker 1: fire chief, and there's the video saying, you know, how 147 00:08:20,160 --> 00:08:22,720 Speaker 1: important diverse, how you need somebody who looks like you 148 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: to respond to a fire. This ideological rot of DEI 149 00:08:27,280 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: has spread through a lot of agencies, really almost all agencies, 150 00:08:32,080 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: and including those that are life and death and so yeah, 151 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 1: people want to have a lot of people do want 152 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:38,839 Speaker 1: to have a conversation right now about well, we need 153 00:08:38,880 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: to make these agencies as efficient and as effective as 154 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:45,320 Speaker 1: we possibly can because people want to live, People want 155 00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: to be safe in the air. People want to feel 156 00:08:46,960 --> 00:08:48,320 Speaker 1: like they're going to get where they need to go 157 00:08:48,360 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 1: without there being some horrible accident that occurs because we're 158 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: trying to make some people feel better about their career prospects. 159 00:08:55,760 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 1: I also think we hit it on this a little 160 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: bit yesterday. There's probably going to be examination of why 161 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: we're doing helicopter training in that close of proximity to 162 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: an airplane landing area that is as populated and as 163 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: busy as the National Airport area. I do think that 164 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,160 Speaker 1: is a point of contention, right I think a lot 165 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:20,040 Speaker 1: of people are saying, and I think it's a fair question. 166 00:09:20,040 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 1: I've been reading some about this, why can't the helicopter 167 00:09:23,320 --> 00:09:28,679 Speaker 1: training happen somewhere other than downtown area Washington, d C. 168 00:09:29,080 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: In proximity of the airport, so that you have less 169 00:09:33,679 --> 00:09:37,320 Speaker 1: aviation traffic overall. As you know, Buck, there's so many 170 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,760 Speaker 1: of these helicopters that are necessary to be traveling all 171 00:09:40,760 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: over the DC area. If you're the President of the 172 00:09:43,080 --> 00:09:45,400 Speaker 1: United States vice president, a lot of the time you're 173 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:51,880 Speaker 1: maneuvering around inside of helicopters. But to be doing training exercises, 174 00:09:52,320 --> 00:09:54,120 Speaker 1: I think they will go back and look at this, 175 00:09:54,320 --> 00:09:59,000 Speaker 1: even if, as may well be the case, the helicopter 176 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: pilots were flying too high. They were putting themselves in 177 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: a dangerous position they didn't need to be in. Do 178 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: we need night training for helicopter pilots in the vicinity 179 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:13,160 Speaker 1: of Reagan National Airport. I think there will be some 180 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: discussion about that as well. Certainly, the training needs to happen, 181 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,560 Speaker 1: and training can be dangerous, That's why the training has 182 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: to happen. But are there ways and places to do 183 00:10:21,679 --> 00:10:26,040 Speaker 1: it that don't require putting people in as much proximity 184 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: to aircraft travel like this. I think that will be 185 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: a big part of the discussion as well. But in general, 186 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:37,920 Speaker 1: the immediate desire to make Trump responsible, I mean joy 187 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: Reid on her worst show. I think in all of 188 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:44,760 Speaker 1: cable news, I think it's worse than the view because 189 00:10:44,800 --> 00:10:48,440 Speaker 1: it's supposed to be taken seriously. We have audio of 190 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: her already saying this is all Donald Trump's fault. Listen 191 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: to cut ten. 192 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,440 Speaker 6: So here's the thing. Trump can blame anyone and everything 193 00:10:56,480 --> 00:10:59,560 Speaker 6: that he wants, right, But the reality is this horror 194 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 6: happened on his watch and with his policies and his 195 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:07,520 Speaker 6: people in place. In fact, on his second day in office, 196 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 6: President Trump issued an executive order that called for an 197 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 6: immediate end to DEI programs at the Federal Aviation Administration. 198 00:11:16,280 --> 00:11:18,840 Speaker 6: And he did that despite the fact that the FAA 199 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:22,080 Speaker 6: has had a shortage of air traffic controllers for years. 200 00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:25,400 Speaker 6: But as a result of Trump's day one hiring freeze, 201 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 6: no federal civilian position could be filled. Also, there was 202 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:32,559 Speaker 6: no one in charge of the Federal Aviation Administration at 203 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:35,520 Speaker 6: the time of the crash. 204 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:38,040 Speaker 4: So you know how this is going to work. I 205 00:11:38,040 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 4: mean they tried before this commercial airline tragedy. The story 206 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,120 Speaker 4: suddenly we talked about this a little bit on air. 207 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:49,320 Speaker 4: Was Trump's to blame for the price of eggs? You know, 208 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,600 Speaker 4: Trump has been in office for what is the ten 209 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 4: days basically twelve days, whatever the math is on how 210 00:11:55,440 --> 00:11:59,240 Speaker 4: long Trump has been in office. Expecting him to address 211 00:11:59,280 --> 00:12:02,679 Speaker 4: the price of eggs and also fix the federal aviation 212 00:12:03,440 --> 00:12:07,040 Speaker 4: issues seems like a really expansive definition of what you 213 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 4: expect the president to be responsible for within mere days 214 00:12:11,080 --> 00:12:11,959 Speaker 4: of taking office. 215 00:12:12,600 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 1: Well, you can also look at the number. She's an 216 00:12:15,280 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: idiot and put that aside. For a second. Eighty percent 217 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,920 Speaker 1: of air traffic controllers are men, and seventy something percent 218 00:12:23,960 --> 00:12:26,920 Speaker 1: of them are white. And now you look at this 219 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:28,439 Speaker 1: and you say, well, hold on, there's a shortage of 220 00:12:28,480 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 1: air traffic controllers. Yeah, because the programs in place, the 221 00:12:32,600 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: hiring is we need fewer white men to do this 222 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:40,080 Speaker 1: job right. And we've seen this in different agencies. You've 223 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:44,640 Speaker 1: seen this for Hollywood scriptwriters. Now, no white guys need apply, 224 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 1: not allowed. That's what everybody knows has been going on. 225 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: It's time we say it out loud. There are jobs 226 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: where this is the case. There are hiring you know, 227 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 1: hiring managers who are working with this as their mandate. 228 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: And when you have a shortage of critical people and 229 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,120 Speaker 1: you're also putting some people into it who shouldn't probably 230 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,360 Speaker 1: be there based on their ability. In the first place, 231 00:13:06,559 --> 00:13:09,720 Speaker 1: people can die, and nobody wants to die because somebody 232 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: else wants to feel good about themselves for having a 233 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 1: dei program. So that's really that's why Trump is doubling 234 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:19,319 Speaker 1: and tripling down on this. He's not backing away. He's 235 00:13:19,360 --> 00:13:22,520 Speaker 1: got nothing. You know, there's no part of him that 236 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: wants to walk away from this. Yeah, no doubt. 237 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,360 Speaker 4: And by the way, some more details will hit you 238 00:13:28,440 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 4: with on this crash when we return. In the meantime, 239 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 4: I want to tell you all about You probably saw 240 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:38,000 Speaker 4: the images coming out of Israel just recently when there 241 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 4: were newly released hostages, and you actually saw everyone in 242 00:13:42,800 --> 00:13:47,720 Speaker 4: the area of those hostages cheering, jostling as the Israeli 243 00:13:47,760 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 4: hostages were being released. Look, we've got to cease fire 244 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:53,040 Speaker 4: going on right now. 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Buck mentioned it, but a couple of 267 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 4: guests coming up, including at the bottom of this hour. 268 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 4: I believe Amber Smith, who is a former helicopter pilot 269 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:27,280 Speaker 4: who can really dive into what exactly took place. Buck. 270 00:15:27,320 --> 00:15:32,280 Speaker 4: There are reports out there that, again the helicopter pilot 271 00:15:32,560 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 4: was too high, meaning too high in the altitude, and 272 00:15:37,200 --> 00:15:41,360 Speaker 4: also may have been off the usual training routes that 273 00:15:41,480 --> 00:15:45,840 Speaker 4: are maintained. Of course, it's a training exercise, so the 274 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:49,040 Speaker 4: helicopter pilot may not have been someone who had the 275 00:15:49,080 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 4: skills necessarily fully developed to be flying at night. Buck. 276 00:15:52,960 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 4: If I'm not mistaken, we'll ask Amber Smith about this. 277 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,520 Speaker 4: For the most part, we have not gotten information about 278 00:15:58,560 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 4: the service members who were on that flight. I know 279 00:16:01,360 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 4: that the airplane, American Airlines, has released a lot of 280 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:08,320 Speaker 4: information about the people who were on that flight, both 281 00:16:08,360 --> 00:16:11,720 Speaker 4: the staff and crew pilots, but I don't think we've 282 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 4: gotten that much information on the military side about who 283 00:16:14,760 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 4: exactly was in that Blackhawk when it collided with the 284 00:16:18,200 --> 00:16:19,320 Speaker 4: American Airlines flight. 285 00:16:20,080 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: Yes, and we still don't know very much about you 286 00:16:23,600 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: a whole range of things, including what was the If 287 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,680 Speaker 1: there's going to be a single thing, I think it's 288 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 1: going to end being numerous things that met together that 289 00:16:34,560 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: caused this terrible accident. But you know, we don't We 290 00:16:37,080 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: don't know where the where the fatal error really was. 291 00:16:40,320 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 1: Quite yet, there's still a few different things that are 292 00:16:42,720 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 1: all helicopter too high, air traffic control not staff necessarily 293 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,760 Speaker 1: the way it should be, maybe garbled communication. But Clay, 294 00:16:50,160 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: we mentioned this, or I mentioned the feeling about hiring. 295 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: This is actually cut six. I didn't even know about this. 296 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 1: The staff pointed this out. Our team pointed this out 297 00:16:58,640 --> 00:17:02,000 Speaker 1: to me at this is something that is going on 298 00:17:02,120 --> 00:17:07,120 Speaker 1: right now, and yeah, it's about the hiring. We play 299 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:09,040 Speaker 1: that clip. I'm trying to find the number cut six. 300 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:12,360 Speaker 8: This is a preventable disaster. The system has been under 301 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 8: attack through the DEI and the FA bowing to wodness 302 00:17:17,600 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 8: since twenty ten, since the Obama administration. The lack of 303 00:17:22,080 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 8: staffing is directly attributable to the Obama administration terminating the 304 00:17:27,160 --> 00:17:31,119 Speaker 8: lists of eligible well trained air traffic control statements in 305 00:17:31,160 --> 00:17:34,919 Speaker 8: thirty six universities across the country and twenty thirteen because 306 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 8: they were too white. The FA also at the same 307 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 8: time implemented an immunity program. So you think you're seeing 308 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:44,320 Speaker 8: legitimate statistics, you're not. 309 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,080 Speaker 1: There's a former air traffic controler just saying too many 310 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: white guys. We need fewer white guys in air traffic control, 311 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 1: stretching back for over two decades now. 312 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 4: And look, I remember the conversation being very intense when 313 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:02,959 Speaker 4: we played at Ted CRU's clip about the fact that 314 00:18:03,080 --> 00:18:08,200 Speaker 4: unfortunately we were devaluing the jobs by trying to put 315 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 4: people who were unqualified in them. 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Amber, 341 00:19:38,920 --> 00:19:41,920 Speaker 1: all right, so we are very focused in on this 342 00:19:42,520 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: tragic accident that occurred, this helicopter colliding with a regional jet. 343 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:52,440 Speaker 1: You've spent lots of hours in rotary and a military 344 00:19:52,520 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 1: rotary wing aircraft. What are your first thoughts on how 345 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:56,919 Speaker 1: this kind of thing could have happened? 346 00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:59,400 Speaker 9: Yeah, so, based off of my nearly eight years flying 347 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,280 Speaker 9: as an army helicopter pilot, over fifteen hundred hours of 348 00:20:02,280 --> 00:20:05,080 Speaker 9: flight time, based on the audio and the videos that 349 00:20:05,160 --> 00:20:09,399 Speaker 9: I have seen. It appears as though the helicopter crew 350 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:14,760 Speaker 9: called confirmed visual with the wrong airliner. Tower was calling 351 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:19,800 Speaker 9: them to confirm one airliner and the helicopter crew was 352 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 9: confirming another. So they were talking about two separate aircraft 353 00:20:23,680 --> 00:20:28,639 Speaker 9: and likely because of the miscommunication, the helicopter crew was 354 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 9: likely looking at the airliner that was away from them 355 00:20:32,960 --> 00:20:35,120 Speaker 9: instead of looking straight in front of them, and they 356 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 9: likely never even saw the airliners that they. 357 00:20:38,400 --> 00:20:40,640 Speaker 1: How could they how could they deconflict that amber that's 358 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: really there? Like is it just specificity of language or 359 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,639 Speaker 1: is it on the crew to no, Like you know 360 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: you've taken these kinds of commands before from the or 361 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,720 Speaker 1: you know they just kind of update from the traffic controllers? 362 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:54,119 Speaker 1: Air traffic controllers? How do you make sure that doesn't happen? 363 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 9: So I have a big problem with with the with 364 00:20:59,800 --> 00:21:04,840 Speaker 9: the message do you have the traffic okay? Do I 365 00:21:04,920 --> 00:21:08,680 Speaker 9: have the traffic where we are flying in the National 366 00:21:08,680 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 9: Capital Region which is one of the busiest metropolitan airspaces 367 00:21:12,880 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 9: for the combination of helicopter and airline travel. So what 368 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 9: the ATC like that works if you say do you 369 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,919 Speaker 9: have the traffic okay? That works when you are in 370 00:21:22,920 --> 00:21:26,520 Speaker 9: the middle of nowhere at night in Arizona desert and 371 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,880 Speaker 9: you're at a teeny classy airport with maybe one other 372 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,120 Speaker 9: flight in the traffic pattern. Of course, do you have 373 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 9: the traffic? It's the only thing in the sky. It's 374 00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,399 Speaker 9: easy to confirm when you're flying in a place like 375 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 9: Reagan National Airport where the city is well lit and 376 00:21:44,200 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 9: lights can easily be confused with airplanes. And they were 377 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:51,920 Speaker 9: under night vision goggles likely, so all of those think, 378 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:54,960 Speaker 9: who knows what was going on in the cockpit. To 379 00:21:55,040 --> 00:21:59,200 Speaker 9: my knowledge, they were conducting a check ride, an annual evaluation. 380 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 9: There could have likely been things going on inside the 381 00:22:02,560 --> 00:22:07,760 Speaker 9: cockpit as well that people are not tracking, and Towers 382 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,160 Speaker 9: should have said, do you have the traffic at your 383 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 9: eleven o'clock or your twelve o'clock right off your nose 384 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:17,800 Speaker 9: that you were about to across their flight path, And 385 00:22:17,880 --> 00:22:20,119 Speaker 9: he reached out to them multiple times, and it was 386 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 9: always the same questions, do you have the traffic? There 387 00:22:23,880 --> 00:22:25,960 Speaker 9: was there was no context to his question. 388 00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 4: So Amber, as you look at that, they have paused 389 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,199 Speaker 4: the flying and training activities that are going on with 390 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 4: helicopters in the DC area. You mentioned the difficulties, particularly 391 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 4: at night, associated with being able to see all of 392 00:22:43,480 --> 00:22:46,280 Speaker 4: that traffic. This is one of the busiest flight areas 393 00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,439 Speaker 4: of the entire country. Does it make sense to be 394 00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 4: doing a training exercise at night in close proximity to 395 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,919 Speaker 4: national In retrospect, do you think they'll look at this 396 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 4: and say, Hey, maybe there are better places for us 397 00:22:58,480 --> 00:23:00,880 Speaker 4: to be conducting these kinds of trains exercises. 398 00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:04,360 Speaker 9: I think they're going to look at this and say, yes, 399 00:23:04,400 --> 00:23:07,880 Speaker 9: there are better places for us to be doing training. 400 00:23:08,040 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 9: The caveat to that is that the mission of this 401 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:17,320 Speaker 9: specific unit, they have this mission that requires them to 402 00:23:17,359 --> 00:23:21,239 Speaker 9: fly on those air corridors down the Potomac River, and 403 00:23:21,320 --> 00:23:24,240 Speaker 9: so I can see for the evaluation them having to 404 00:23:24,760 --> 00:23:27,199 Speaker 9: ensure that they understand the airspace, they know how to 405 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:31,320 Speaker 9: fly where their mission requires them to fly because this 406 00:23:31,440 --> 00:23:34,760 Speaker 9: is their AO, their area of operation where they are 407 00:23:34,840 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 9: tasked with conducting operations. So they do need to operate 408 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 9: there and they do need to train. I want to 409 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:45,919 Speaker 9: see as the investigation comes out, and hopefully they'll be 410 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,960 Speaker 9: very transparent with all of this information. I do want 411 00:23:50,000 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 9: to see to what extent because it has gotten far 412 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:58,040 Speaker 9: too congested with helicopter traffic, and it seems like some 413 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 9: very outdated policy that were unsafe and did not mitigate 414 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 9: risk in that airspace when it comes to the level 415 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 9: of helicopter traffic in there. And I mean, I'll give 416 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:15,160 Speaker 9: you just an example. Sometimes when they do these accident investigations, 417 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:19,480 Speaker 9: they find other issues that are unsafe that may not 418 00:24:19,560 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 9: be contributing to the accident. But just in terms of 419 00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 9: what's going on. When I was in Afghanistan, my hard 420 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,159 Speaker 9: deck that I could not fly below was two hundred 421 00:24:29,400 --> 00:24:33,520 Speaker 9: or sorry, three hundred feet under goggles. That was a 422 00:24:33,640 --> 00:24:37,520 Speaker 9: rule because they didn't want to smacking into things. Okay, 423 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:43,120 Speaker 9: now here in Washington, DC, the ceiling, not the hard deck, 424 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,560 Speaker 9: the ceiling. So the level helicopters are not allowed to 425 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 9: fly above is two hundred feet under goggles. That is 426 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:55,159 Speaker 9: incredibly unsafe. Those helicopter pilots were not looking up. I 427 00:24:55,200 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 9: guarantee you they were looking down. Two hundred feet above 428 00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:01,760 Speaker 9: the water or above the round is a blink of 429 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 9: an eye. You have to be so careful to not 430 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:08,720 Speaker 9: crash into the water. So because two hundred feet in 431 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 9: the helicopter is a wind gusts during the day. I 432 00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 9: completely feel differently under goggles. It is incredibly dangerous. So 433 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:19,480 Speaker 9: just my point to the policies that are in place 434 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,879 Speaker 9: right now that those helicopters are operating and are outdated 435 00:25:23,119 --> 00:25:27,439 Speaker 9: and they are not for the current load of helicopter traffic. 436 00:25:28,640 --> 00:25:33,160 Speaker 4: Do you think it's appropriate to analyze larger air traffic 437 00:25:33,240 --> 00:25:38,240 Speaker 4: control questions about diversity, hires, about overall safety as part 438 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,919 Speaker 4: of this discussion or should that be tabled until the 439 00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:45,320 Speaker 4: specific nature of what occurred here is understood. 440 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 9: No, because people's lives are at risk. I am as 441 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:54,959 Speaker 9: anti DEI as they come, because they put people's feelings 442 00:25:55,000 --> 00:25:58,560 Speaker 9: above people's safety and people's lives. So we need to 443 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,680 Speaker 9: get to the bottom of this. DEI is a factor, 444 00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:05,480 Speaker 9: then it needs to be reversed and dealt with immediately. 445 00:26:05,800 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 9: I also think parallel to some DEI is mismanagement, and 446 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:13,840 Speaker 9: maybe they go hand in hand. But why on earth 447 00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:17,840 Speaker 9: was that tower allowed to operate as undermanned as they were. 448 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 9: What is the standard for them closing down a tower 449 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,240 Speaker 9: and saying it is unsafe for us to operate at 450 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:28,480 Speaker 9: this manning level. And so far, to my knowledge, I 451 00:26:28,480 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 9: haven't heard anything on that. I've heard that they are 452 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:35,040 Speaker 9: undermanned the guy was one of the tower operators was 453 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:37,800 Speaker 9: allowed to leave early. The tower operator that was there 454 00:26:37,920 --> 00:26:40,679 Speaker 9: was doing the job of two people. So it's like 455 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 9: who allowed this to happen? Was that common practice? The 456 00:26:44,800 --> 00:26:49,080 Speaker 9: other common practice is why on Earth are they allowing 457 00:26:49,119 --> 00:26:53,800 Speaker 9: helicopters to be cleared to fly under or immediately behind 458 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:59,320 Speaker 9: incoming commercial airliners on short final That is so dangerous 459 00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 9: and it is lazy. Helicopter can be told to do 460 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:07,479 Speaker 9: a three sixty and hold for incoming traffic instead of 461 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 9: giving helicopters visual giving them the visual separation for clearance, 462 00:27:14,040 --> 00:27:17,399 Speaker 9: and we saw exactly the risk that happened with that. 463 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:22,280 Speaker 1: Ember really appreciate your expertise on this, and we thank 464 00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:24,360 Speaker 1: you for making the time for us. We will talk 465 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:25,040 Speaker 1: to you again soon. 466 00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:26,880 Speaker 9: Thanks Box. 467 00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:32,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, Clay, that's isn't that that kind of perspective You 468 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: just unless you've done it, unless you've been flying close 469 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,359 Speaker 1: to the earth in a military helicopter with night vision 470 00:27:38,359 --> 00:27:41,160 Speaker 1: goggles on, you know, you can't really know what you're 471 00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:41,679 Speaker 1: up against. 472 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,560 Speaker 4: It sounds like potentially again based on the evidence, air 473 00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:51,959 Speaker 4: traffic control and helicopter coordinating error will see what percentage 474 00:27:52,080 --> 00:27:55,439 Speaker 4: you would want to assess to both. I do think again, 475 00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,520 Speaker 4: the night training in close proximity to National Airport, I 476 00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 4: think they're going to scrap that to a large extent 477 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,080 Speaker 4: or buck do the night training at like three am. 478 00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,600 Speaker 4: I don't think they keep landing planes at Washington National 479 00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 4: Airport all night long, right, I think that they have 480 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 4: a cutoff point. So if you felt compelled to need 481 00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:23,080 Speaker 4: to continue to do night training exercises in the vicinity 482 00:28:23,119 --> 00:28:28,560 Speaker 4: of National Airport's runways and era airspace, it seems like 483 00:28:28,640 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 4: you could say, Okay, those training exercises now, they don't 484 00:28:32,000 --> 00:28:34,720 Speaker 4: begin until midnight or later, and we're going to have 485 00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:38,720 Speaker 4: them scheduled where there isn't the possibility of colliding with 486 00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,720 Speaker 4: the jetliners that are attempting to land. That seems like 487 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 4: a rational thing to me to do as you look 488 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:49,240 Speaker 4: at decisions pertaining to this going forward. 489 00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: Let's talk about energy for a moment here. 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Find it 516 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:12,000 Speaker 7: on the iHeart app or wherever you get your podcasts. 517 00:30:12,680 --> 00:30:16,720 Speaker 4: Welcome back in Clay, Travis Buck Sexton Show. Appreciate all 518 00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,440 Speaker 4: of you hanging out with us. Going to dive into 519 00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 4: some discussion about the pronoun usage. I think you guys 520 00:30:26,080 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 4: are going to enjoy that conversation coming up here in 521 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 4: a moment. Drinking Crockett coffee right now. It is America's 522 00:30:32,320 --> 00:30:35,080 Speaker 4: best coffee. It's the coffee that loves America as much 523 00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,800 Speaker 4: as you do. I also have signed hundreds of books 524 00:30:38,800 --> 00:30:41,560 Speaker 4: in the past few days. If you want an autograph 525 00:30:41,680 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 4: copy of my book, use codebook when you subscribe. 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It's an 547 00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 10: automated terminal information system at every airport with a control tower, 548 00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 10: and that ATUS if there's helicopter operations going on at 549 00:31:57,120 --> 00:32:00,960 Speaker 10: a certain location, or different operations or crane operations or whatever, 550 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 10: that should be on that ATUS to put tell the 551 00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:09,240 Speaker 10: pilot's coming in and the pilot's report with that ATUS 552 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:11,040 Speaker 10: information that they So. 553 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 4: You're talking, Sorry, sorry to cut you off here. You're 554 00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:16,760 Speaker 4: the pilot you're referring to is the commercial airline pilot, 555 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:18,680 Speaker 4: not the helicopter pilot. 556 00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 9: Right, correct? 557 00:32:20,960 --> 00:32:22,680 Speaker 10: But now if that if that was the case, if 558 00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,880 Speaker 10: that was helicopter operations going on, they're going to be 559 00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 10: there for a while. That could have been on there. 560 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:29,720 Speaker 10: If it was just a short thing, then it would 561 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 10: have been up to the controllers to inform the pilots. 562 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:36,080 Speaker 4: Thank you for also what else stands out to you 563 00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:39,959 Speaker 4: from among the communication between the pilot, the helicopter and 564 00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 4: the air traffic control. 565 00:32:42,720 --> 00:32:46,320 Speaker 10: Honestly, I haven't heard the communication, so I'm just thrown 566 00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 10: that out there. If if they had that on the ATIS, 567 00:32:48,560 --> 00:32:50,080 Speaker 10: then the pilot should have known about that, so it 568 00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,120 Speaker 10: wouldn't have been unknown. But if that's if that's the 569 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,239 Speaker 10: case that it was on that, If it wasn't, then 570 00:32:55,240 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 10: it would have been up to the controller to tell 571 00:32:56,880 --> 00:33:00,440 Speaker 10: the commercial aircraft about the helicopter opperations. 572 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:03,280 Speaker 1: Thank you for the call, Buck. 573 00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,240 Speaker 4: So far, as I have seen, and some of the 574 00:33:05,280 --> 00:33:09,200 Speaker 4: air traffic control audio is out there circulating, it's not 575 00:33:09,360 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 4: particularly easy to hear or understand if you're not a pilot, 576 00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:17,440 Speaker 4: but there does not seem to have been any, at 577 00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 4: least that I've seen so far audio instructions for the 578 00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:26,280 Speaker 4: airline pilot about being aware of any helicopter. And as 579 00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,440 Speaker 4: you heard Amber Smith say, Buck, the idea of hey, 580 00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 4: go behind the airplane, maybe stop your helicopter and just 581 00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 4: kind of hold it until the landing wars. 582 00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, the helicopter has far more maneuverability in a 583 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,720 Speaker 1: tight space than the plane does. Obviously, we all know 584 00:33:44,840 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: that the plane has sixty sixty people aboard, gets priority, 585 00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,240 Speaker 1: has right of way like the plane's going in. It's 586 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,320 Speaker 1: on the helicopter to get out of the way. Correct. 587 00:33:55,560 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 4: And so what Amber was saying is I think really instructive. 588 00:33:58,760 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 4: One the air traffic control or was not particularly specific 589 00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:04,960 Speaker 4: in saying, I'm talking about the airplane at a particular 590 00:34:05,040 --> 00:34:11,319 Speaker 4: geographic area. Also, just tell the helicopter to wait or 591 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:16,080 Speaker 4: just you know, hold for thirty seconds one minute allowed 592 00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:17,880 Speaker 4: the plane to pass, and this would have not been 593 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:18,880 Speaker 4: an issue at all. 594 00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 1: All that matters is that this not happened never again. 595 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:25,239 Speaker 1: That's all that. Yeah, that's this. This has to be 596 00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 1: something that we never have to see again in this 597 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:29,360 Speaker 1: country or anywhere for that matter.