1 00:00:15,280 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: All right, welcome to Lake Kick again on the air. 2 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:19,880 Speaker 2: It is now Thursday night, July twenty third, the year 3 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 2: of Our Lord, twenty twenty. Yes, the show is jam 4 00:00:23,360 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 2: packed tonight. I'm Josh Pate. Happy to have you alongside. 5 00:00:25,680 --> 00:00:27,440 Speaker 2: If you haven't already subscribed to the twenty four to 6 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 2: seven Sports YouTube channel, Here's what I have for you tonight. 7 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 2: We're going biggest questions. 8 00:00:31,960 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: Now. This is not going to be. 9 00:00:33,080 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 2: An ultra in depth let's break down Northwestern's right guard 10 00:00:37,120 --> 00:00:39,519 Speaker 2: depth chart type questions. This is going to be a 11 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 2: more overarching before we get more into the weeds. Once 12 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,559 Speaker 2: camps open up nationwide, every single finger that we have 13 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:48,360 Speaker 2: is crossed, so we're going to talk about that. We're 14 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:50,400 Speaker 2: also going to talk about a huge and I mean 15 00:00:50,440 --> 00:00:54,280 Speaker 2: a huge verbal commitment for Miami. You know, one of 16 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 2: the biggest focal points that we've had on Late Kick 17 00:00:56,920 --> 00:00:59,320 Speaker 2: for several months now, and one of the biggest hidden 18 00:00:59,360 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 2: storylines that we think there is in college football is 19 00:01:02,160 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 2: the talent raid that's been going on in South Florida. 20 00:01:05,360 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: Alabama's come in there. 21 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 2: Alabama has more kids right now committed from the state 22 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 2: of Florida than they do from the state of Alabama 23 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:13,800 Speaker 2: and so Miami got them one that a lot of 24 00:01:13,800 --> 00:01:16,680 Speaker 2: people thought would leave the state and they got them one. 25 00:01:16,720 --> 00:01:18,679 Speaker 2: We're going to talk about that coming up. I'm also 26 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,600 Speaker 2: going to kick it over to the SEC East and 27 00:01:21,680 --> 00:01:24,759 Speaker 2: answer a question that so many of you have asked, Colin. 28 00:01:24,800 --> 00:01:26,560 Speaker 2: I can't tell you how long the list is of 29 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:29,440 Speaker 2: people who have asked, Hey, Dan mullen Kirby Smart, who's 30 00:01:29,480 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 2: the better coach? 31 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: And that's as specific as they get. So if that's 32 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:34,960 Speaker 1: as specific as you want to get, I got a 33 00:01:35,000 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: quick answer for you. 34 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,520 Speaker 2: But then, unlike our lead segment here, we will get 35 00:01:39,560 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 2: into the weeds a whole lot more on the Dan 36 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:47,039 Speaker 2: Mullen Kirby Smart debate, because as always, you want us 37 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:50,400 Speaker 2: to let's dive in, shall we? Let's waste no time? 38 00:01:50,720 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 2: Biggest questions in the Big Ten this year. There are 39 00:01:54,000 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 2: several ways that we could go here, but for the 40 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 2: sake of time, I'm just going to hit some tips 41 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,720 Speaker 2: of icebergs and believe me, going to dive in a 42 00:02:00,760 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 2: whole lot more as the season draws closer here. But 43 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 2: I want to start with Penn State. As I've told you, 44 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,000 Speaker 2: I've been pretty obsessed with Penn State. I think they 45 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:10,399 Speaker 2: are the most likely if there's a non conference champ 46 00:02:10,440 --> 00:02:13,240 Speaker 2: to make the playoff, I think that's the team. And 47 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:14,799 Speaker 2: you could also ask how many teams we're going to 48 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 2: have in the playoff this year, and my answer would 49 00:02:16,280 --> 00:02:19,080 Speaker 2: be three question marks in a row. But my question 50 00:02:19,400 --> 00:02:21,840 Speaker 2: as it relates to Penn State is this marriage of 51 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 2: Kirk saraka new offensive coordinator. If you've been out of 52 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:27,679 Speaker 2: pocket in the off season, he comes in from Minnesota. 53 00:02:27,720 --> 00:02:29,160 Speaker 2: They set a whole lot of records up there in 54 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 2: Minnesota last year. So he's come in and you've got 55 00:02:32,280 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 2: mister Savage that's still there at quarterback. 56 00:02:34,960 --> 00:02:36,960 Speaker 1: So you don't have to do this thing like George 57 00:02:37,000 --> 00:02:37,320 Speaker 1: is doing. 58 00:02:37,360 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 2: Since we're talking about the Bulldogs later, where you're bringing 59 00:02:39,720 --> 00:02:42,560 Speaker 2: in a new coordinator and also you've got an unknown 60 00:02:42,720 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 2: or at least for you, an unknown at the very 61 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,240 Speaker 2: least a new fresh entity at quarterback. 62 00:02:47,480 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 1: Well, they got Savage there, he's been there. 63 00:02:49,639 --> 00:02:51,920 Speaker 2: And so I've been getting a lot of questions about 64 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:54,520 Speaker 2: Penn State, and all the questions from my Nitney lyon 65 00:02:54,600 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 2: fans are defense and I just want to answer it 66 00:02:57,840 --> 00:02:59,560 Speaker 2: like this. I did it on the Late Kick Extra 67 00:02:59,600 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 2: podcast that we just released yesterday. 68 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 1: It's available for download wherever you get your podcasts. 69 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 2: A lot of people were talking about Penn State's defense, 70 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:10,760 Speaker 2: and I said, I'm fine with that, Like, of course, 71 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 2: you have some star power returning there, you got some 72 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 2: guys to replace. Maybe you want to kick it up 73 00:03:15,840 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 2: a notch production wise, but let's not underestimate LSU perfect example, 74 00:03:20,600 --> 00:03:23,880 Speaker 2: Let's not underestimate for a second what having a true 75 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 2: top five, even top seven, top ten caliber offensive unit 76 00:03:27,240 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 2: does for a defense when they're on the bench. The 77 00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:32,880 Speaker 2: kind of pressure that you're putting on the other side 78 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 2: of that field to match what you are doing. It 79 00:03:34,880 --> 00:03:36,920 Speaker 2: leads to a lot more risk taking than a lot 80 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:38,960 Speaker 2: of folks in the Big ten are comfortable with. That 81 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,200 Speaker 2: you're facing on a weekend, week out basis, and so 82 00:03:41,640 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 2: you'll find, I think, defensively, all those tumblers kind of 83 00:03:44,880 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 2: fall into place if you've got things figured out offensively. 84 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,640 Speaker 2: So I don't know what things look like right from 85 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:54,200 Speaker 2: the jump, because, as is the case pretty much nationwide, 86 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 2: we haven't really had time at Penn State to gel 87 00:03:57,080 --> 00:03:59,520 Speaker 2: this new offensive coordinator, new concepts. 88 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: How any new rocks are we turning over? 89 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 2: Really here, we hadn't really had time to gel all that, 90 00:04:04,320 --> 00:04:05,600 Speaker 2: so I don't know what it looks like right off 91 00:04:05,640 --> 00:04:08,400 Speaker 2: the bat. But this is a season long, biggest questions 92 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 2: season long, how much juice can we squeeze out of 93 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 2: this Kirksaraka marriage with the offense and the cast currently 94 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:17,520 Speaker 2: in place there at Penn State. I wanted to go 95 00:04:17,600 --> 00:04:20,200 Speaker 2: to Michigan too. These are two programs that we've spoken 96 00:04:20,440 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 2: a whole lot about over specifically the past three months, 97 00:04:23,880 --> 00:04:26,680 Speaker 2: and I'll look offense with Michigan two. Now, this is 98 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 2: one that's not that hard to figure out. We have 99 00:04:30,080 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 2: described Michigan's future as Josh Gattis or bust, and I 100 00:04:33,760 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 2: think that's pretty self explanatory. But I think a lot 101 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 2: of the counterpoint the point counterpoint here, those that are 102 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 2: counterpointing are optimism about Michigan. Would say you're only as 103 00:04:46,480 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 2: good as the piece is on your roster, and whether 104 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 2: it be questions as to who's going to start at quarterback, 105 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 2: and whoever they start at quarterback, is he going to 106 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 2: be good enough replacing pieces on the offensive line? Do 107 00:04:56,440 --> 00:05:00,120 Speaker 2: you have enough firepower at the skill positions there? And 108 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,440 Speaker 2: when I say skill position, I'm talking about wide receiver. 109 00:05:02,480 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 2: I don't really like even saying that everyone who's on 110 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:08,440 Speaker 2: the football field skilled. However, here's how I'm gonna look 111 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:10,960 Speaker 2: at Michigan this year. It's not that you're gonna have 112 00:05:10,960 --> 00:05:13,159 Speaker 2: who you're gonna have on your roster, and to a 113 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:16,120 Speaker 2: certain degree, Josh Gaddis is still in a situation going 114 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 2: into year two where he's not responsible for a whole 115 00:05:19,400 --> 00:05:21,159 Speaker 2: lot of what they have on that roster. To a 116 00:05:21,160 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 2: certain degree, he's still using what he inherited. So everyone's 117 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 2: gonna set expectation levels. I just want to know if 118 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:31,160 Speaker 2: they're going to exceed expectations, because even if they don't 119 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 2: win their division this year, they don't win the Big Ten, 120 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 2: even if they go nine to three this year, if 121 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 2: they're exceeding pretty reasonable expectation levels relative to what they 122 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,840 Speaker 2: currently have in the cupboard. That means when if I'm 123 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,320 Speaker 2: a Michigan fan, when I get JJ McCarthy on campus 124 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:49,039 Speaker 2: and I get receivers like the one I just landed 125 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 2: out in California and hopefully others, when I start to 126 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:55,400 Speaker 2: get that infusion of talent on campus, and I'm already 127 00:05:55,640 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 2: developing a reputation as meeting or exceeding expectation level. Well, 128 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,240 Speaker 2: when the expectation level goes up because my talent level 129 00:06:02,279 --> 00:06:06,160 Speaker 2: has gone up, then it stands the reason we could contend, 130 00:06:06,400 --> 00:06:08,800 Speaker 2: challenge for the Big Ten Championship. We could contend and 131 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 2: challenge for a playoff spot. So even if they don't 132 00:06:11,760 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 2: do that this year, you're gonna learn a whole lot 133 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:17,320 Speaker 2: about Michigan this year as it relates to how they 134 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 2: perform compared to what you expect and what I expect 135 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 2: from them. 136 00:06:21,320 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: Let's go to Wisconsin. 137 00:06:22,680 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 2: This quarterback situation probably going to be Jack Cone, known 138 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,600 Speaker 2: on this show as Jack Goan Graham mertz Lyn in 139 00:06:29,640 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 2: the weeds. There a lot of you up in Madison 140 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 2: would love to see him get a crack at this job. 141 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:38,000 Speaker 2: But whoever's there, what we know. You don't have to 142 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:39,800 Speaker 2: be a Wisconsin Badger fan to know this. What we 143 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 2: know is they've got some production to replace at running back. Now, 144 00:06:43,640 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 2: They've got some very capable, probably stable of running backs. 145 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:51,279 Speaker 2: They're not just one individual capable of filling the shoes 146 00:06:51,320 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 2: of a guy like Jonathan Taylor, for example, but they 147 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,280 Speaker 2: probably have a stable full of guys who can rush 148 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 2: for twenty five hundred yards three thousand yards For all 149 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:00,599 Speaker 2: we know if you need him to this year. Having 150 00:07:00,680 --> 00:07:04,560 Speaker 2: said that, how do they take the next step at 151 00:07:04,560 --> 00:07:09,440 Speaker 2: Wisconsin And does it involve them making a concerted effort 152 00:07:09,480 --> 00:07:11,920 Speaker 2: to stretch the field vertically a little bit more. Do 153 00:07:12,000 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 2: they have to stretch the field vertically a little bit 154 00:07:14,480 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 2: or even a lot more in order to replace that 155 00:07:17,720 --> 00:07:21,400 Speaker 2: lost production, because that production was really important for them, 156 00:07:21,520 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 2: And that's what I care about production. Now at receiver, 157 00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 2: you got Davis, you got prior probably question marks for 158 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,200 Speaker 2: those of us at a more national level beyond those 159 00:07:31,200 --> 00:07:33,720 Speaker 2: two names. But the thing about it is, if you've 160 00:07:33,760 --> 00:07:37,600 Speaker 2: got the right offense in place, you watch every single 161 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:40,720 Speaker 2: year folks who have their offense figured out, folks who 162 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:44,960 Speaker 2: have their passing game figured out. Every year, without fail, 163 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 2: one or two wide receivers emerged that you didn't know 164 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 2: about at the beginning of the season. And it's because 165 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 2: offenses can make players. You're not on the roster if 166 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 2: you don't have talent. So the talents there, the right 167 00:07:56,920 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 2: offenses can draw the most out of their roster and 168 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 2: the talent onset roster. So let's see if they try 169 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 2: and stretch the field more this year vertically at Wisconsin, 170 00:08:06,200 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 2: and if they do, then maybe beyond the two names 171 00:08:08,800 --> 00:08:11,720 Speaker 2: I mentioned at receiver, we start talking about someone else 172 00:08:11,760 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 2: and maybe, just maybe, and this is a pretty wild concept, 173 00:08:15,840 --> 00:08:18,400 Speaker 2: I will grant you, but maybe, just maybe, if they 174 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:21,480 Speaker 2: evolve that offensive style a little bit more, then we 175 00:08:21,560 --> 00:08:25,360 Speaker 2: get down the Big Ten Conference stretch and it looks 176 00:08:25,360 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 2: like Wisconsin's going to the Big Ten championship game, and 177 00:08:28,440 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 2: instead of looking at them as a nice test to 178 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,280 Speaker 2: get us ready for the playoff and to put a 179 00:08:33,400 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 2: conference title crown on our head, maybe you look at 180 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:39,200 Speaker 2: them as someone you're actually worried about losing to. And 181 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 2: I don't know that that's necessarily the case right now. 182 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 2: If you're say the Ohio State Buckeyes, We're gonna get 183 00:08:45,520 --> 00:08:47,680 Speaker 2: to Ohio State in just a second. But first I 184 00:08:47,720 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 2: want to mention a couple of teams here that we're 185 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 2: heading in wildly opposite directions. Last year, Minnesota, I mean, 186 00:08:54,760 --> 00:08:57,800 Speaker 2: as good as it gets from Minnesota last year, and 187 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 2: Purdue fell flat on their face. So I would like 188 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 2: to know, with those two programs respectively, were those just 189 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 2: aberrations or were those trends? I mean, does it not 190 00:09:08,559 --> 00:09:11,800 Speaker 2: seem like all that long ago that Jeff brom was 191 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:16,440 Speaker 2: thought of as one of the hottest coaching commodities in America. 192 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:18,280 Speaker 2: And when's the last time you heard the name Brom 193 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:20,960 Speaker 2: mentioned in any one of these head coaching openings. 194 00:09:20,960 --> 00:09:22,160 Speaker 1: Now, Purdue folks don't want to. 195 00:09:22,080 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 2: Hear this, but nationally, I don't know that his reputation 196 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 2: to take a fairly significant hit last year. 197 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:29,839 Speaker 1: And there was a lot going on. 198 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 2: I mean, the least of which was losing a guy 199 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:37,239 Speaker 2: like Rondell More, for example, a guy who was consensus 200 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,640 Speaker 2: All American caliber focal point of their offense. 201 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: You lose him, you lose a whole lot. 202 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,240 Speaker 2: So you get him back, That alone is enough to 203 00:09:44,320 --> 00:09:47,800 Speaker 2: change a lot of your fortune. But bigger picture, you know, 204 00:09:47,800 --> 00:09:50,199 Speaker 2: if they don't get things rectified this year, if they 205 00:09:50,240 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 2: are not again a respectable program, it's not so much 206 00:09:54,480 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 2: what I think about Purdue, it's you know, what am 207 00:09:57,040 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 2: I thinking about Brom. 208 00:09:58,240 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 1: After this season? 209 00:09:59,480 --> 00:10:01,720 Speaker 2: Now, on the flip side, the total flip side of 210 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:05,040 Speaker 2: that coin, if I look up at Minnesota and they're 211 00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 2: able to take admittedly a lot of the same pieces 212 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,560 Speaker 2: they won with last year being back again, Tanner Morgan 213 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:14,480 Speaker 2: has won where Shot Bateman is another wide receiver. If 214 00:10:14,520 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 2: they're able to take those pieces, and they're able to 215 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 2: even come close to duplicating again this year the success 216 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 2: they had last year, I want to stress again at Minnesota. 217 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 2: Then obviously it's a huge deal for PJ Fleck, but 218 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:31,040 Speaker 2: also I would start thinking about Minnesota a lot the 219 00:10:31,040 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 2: same way that I'm thinking about Iowa State. Right now, 220 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 2: here's what you worry about if you're a Minnesota fan. 221 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 2: What you worry about is we want to do good. 222 00:10:38,679 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 2: We want to win. But what if we win so 223 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 2: good and we are so high performing that it comes 224 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 2: at the expense of losing our head coach in the future. 225 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:49,880 Speaker 2: That's always going to be a concern. The higher you fly, 226 00:10:50,440 --> 00:10:52,120 Speaker 2: then the more you get noticed, and the more you 227 00:10:52,120 --> 00:10:54,720 Speaker 2: get noticed. You know, your offensive coordinator got taken last 228 00:10:54,760 --> 00:10:57,199 Speaker 2: year as a result of the insane amounts of success 229 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 2: you had. What if that were to happen with PJ Fleck. 230 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 2: They worry that with Matt Campbell at Iowa State. Here's 231 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:05,440 Speaker 2: the point. If they don't leave, you got yourself a 232 00:11:05,440 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 2: world class head coach. But if they do leave, they're 233 00:11:08,120 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 2: leaving your program by default, in an infinitely better position 234 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:14,680 Speaker 2: than it was when they found it, which makes your 235 00:11:14,760 --> 00:11:18,200 Speaker 2: program and your job more attractive to whoever the next 236 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 2: hot coaching candidate is, and so you continue to elevate 237 00:11:22,440 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 2: your program just a little bit more, a little bit more, 238 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 2: a little bit more. That's something I really focus on 239 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 2: with Minnesota this year and lastly with Ohio State. That's 240 00:11:30,960 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 2: where it's all about defense to me, and it's not 241 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,920 Speaker 2: so much talent at all. It's not at all the 242 00:11:36,960 --> 00:11:39,480 Speaker 2: talent issue there. You're going to hear the stat over 243 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,040 Speaker 2: and over again how many guys they lost off their 244 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:44,440 Speaker 2: defense to the NFL Draft, and it's noteworthy. I think 245 00:11:44,440 --> 00:11:46,439 Speaker 2: the numbers like seven or eight something like that. It's 246 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 2: a noteworthy stat. Here's what you're not going to hear 247 00:11:49,280 --> 00:11:51,679 Speaker 2: anyone who has a clue about Ohio State say. You're 248 00:11:51,679 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 2: not gonna hear anyone say they lost all those guys 249 00:11:54,440 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 2: and they just don't have the talent to replace them. 250 00:11:57,000 --> 00:11:58,360 Speaker 1: Talent's not an issue with them. 251 00:11:58,520 --> 00:12:01,679 Speaker 2: I'm not saying that they have someone the absolute equivalent 252 00:12:01,720 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 2: of Chase Young or Jeff Okudah, but they are not 253 00:12:04,280 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 2: hurting for talent there. But as we've seen with other 254 00:12:07,240 --> 00:12:10,719 Speaker 2: big time programs like Alabama, for example, they've had these 255 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 2: classes where they'd send a ton from the defensive side 256 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 2: of the ball alone to the NFL Draft. And you know, 257 00:12:16,120 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 2: since they've recruited at a top three level every year, 258 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:21,760 Speaker 2: you know, Bama fans or in this case, Ohio State fans, 259 00:12:21,960 --> 00:12:24,000 Speaker 2: they could just rattle the names off. They can rattle 260 00:12:24,040 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 2: the depth chart off. I'm not going to argue with 261 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 2: you about talent. I'm not going to argue with you 262 00:12:28,960 --> 00:12:31,880 Speaker 2: about people on that roster having enough talent from the 263 00:12:31,960 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 2: neck down to get the job done the likes of 264 00:12:34,679 --> 00:12:36,040 Speaker 2: which you expected to be done at. 265 00:12:36,320 --> 00:12:37,160 Speaker 1: It's the neck up. 266 00:12:37,200 --> 00:12:39,720 Speaker 2: It's the stuff that we can't quantify in a recruiting 267 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 2: star rating. It's the stuff you can't quantify necessarily in 268 00:12:43,280 --> 00:12:46,440 Speaker 2: offseason conditioning. It's stuff that you have to be in 269 00:12:46,600 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 2: live bullets game action to find out about someone. The 270 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,880 Speaker 2: dog mentality that you have to have to play this 271 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,720 Speaker 2: game at the highest level, or at least you have 272 00:12:55,800 --> 00:12:58,360 Speaker 2: to have some of those guys sprinkled about your units 273 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:00,000 Speaker 2: in order to play this game at the highest level. 274 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:04,040 Speaker 2: Who among us, including the most ardent Buckeye fans, who 275 00:13:04,080 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 2: among us definitively knows what the mental and character makeup 276 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 2: of that team is gonna be. 277 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:11,880 Speaker 1: You don't, Bryan Day doesn't knowing he's the head coach. 278 00:13:12,200 --> 00:13:14,720 Speaker 1: It's a trick question. No one can know it yet. 279 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 2: So if you watch Ohio State this year, for example, 280 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,720 Speaker 2: there's a chance that you're watching them just go scorch 281 00:13:21,760 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 2: stirt on the Big Ten Defense included, and you're saying, 282 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 2: this is totally insane. They lost all these dudes and 283 00:13:28,240 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 2: they're performing at the exact same level. Or you could 284 00:13:31,280 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 2: watch them and they're gonna be good regardless. But you 285 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,840 Speaker 2: could watch them and you could say, you know, they're 286 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 2: beating these teams, but defensively, I don't know. 287 00:13:38,920 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: They're just a step off from what they were last year. 288 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:45,960 Speaker 2: And it's not gonna cost them maybe against Iowa or Indiana, 289 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 2: but it may cost them down the road. You can 290 00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:50,920 Speaker 2: easily see things going either way. So those are some 291 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,160 Speaker 2: of the biggest questions in the Big Ten. And again 292 00:13:53,160 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 2: we're going to get a whole lot more hyper focused 293 00:13:56,200 --> 00:14:00,199 Speaker 2: on individual teams, individual units, and talk about things on 294 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 2: a more granular level as the season approaches. We just 295 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 2: don't really have a lot to go on. I don't 296 00:14:05,800 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 2: consider preview magazines as being a lot to go on. 297 00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 2: I consider feedback from on the ground, from people covering 298 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:13,479 Speaker 2: the team or being close. 299 00:14:13,240 --> 00:14:13,720 Speaker 1: To the team. 300 00:14:14,240 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 2: That's tangible information that we like to go on. Spring 301 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 2: was canceled. We didn't have any of that, so can't 302 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,040 Speaker 2: wait to get some of it. Having said that until 303 00:14:22,040 --> 00:14:24,480 Speaker 2: that point, we are going to circle back now to 304 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:26,960 Speaker 2: a question that I kid you not, I've probably gotten 305 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,000 Speaker 2: two dozen times in the past month alone in the 306 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 2: inbox for the Late Kick Extra podcast. We record that 307 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,960 Speaker 2: on Tuesdays, we release it on Wednesdays, and I'm pretty 308 00:14:36,000 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 2: sure I hit like thirty three questions this last time. 309 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 2: But I'm pretty sure I hit a version of this question. 310 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:42,800 Speaker 2: But I wanted to circle back, and I wanted to 311 00:14:42,840 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 2: take a couple of minutes dive a little deeper on 312 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 2: this tonight, Kirby Smart, Dan Mullen. I get asked very routinely. 313 00:14:50,560 --> 00:14:54,760 Speaker 2: I got asked for this last show, Who's Better? Dan Mullen, 314 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 2: Kirby Smart. Now, I appreciate the directness of the question. 315 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 2: It's very easy for me to copy and pat that 316 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:01,680 Speaker 2: and put it in a format so I can read 317 00:15:01,720 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 2: it and answer it. However, this is one of those 318 00:15:04,640 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 2: times where I actually wish someone would have been a 319 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,400 Speaker 2: little bit more specific. Are we talking about who the 320 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 2: best play caller is were talking about who the best 321 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 2: developer of a specific position unit someone is, who's the 322 00:15:15,840 --> 00:15:18,960 Speaker 2: best recruiter. They didn't ask that, they just said who's 323 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 2: the best? So you know, I love metaphorical speaking. I'm 324 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 2: a real big fan of analogies because it helps me 325 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 2: understand pretty much anything we're talking about, football included. There 326 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 2: was a summer once upon a time where I worked 327 00:15:30,640 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 2: in the air conditioning and climate control installation business. It 328 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,680 Speaker 2: was in central Georgia. It was the middle of the summer. 329 00:15:37,880 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 2: Much as is the case right now. I lost like 330 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,400 Speaker 2: seven pounds of bodyweight per day just sweating, so I 331 00:15:43,400 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 2: had to inhale gatorade when I got home. 332 00:15:45,520 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 1: But here's what I learned. I learned how. 333 00:15:47,560 --> 00:15:52,320 Speaker 2: Fascinating it was to watch maybe a unit manager operate. 334 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:53,960 Speaker 2: What we would do is we would get to the 335 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,280 Speaker 2: site in the morning, and the site for us would 336 00:15:56,280 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 2: be a house that's under construction, and we'd go there 337 00:15:58,760 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 2: and it's our job to get all the AC ducks 338 00:16:01,000 --> 00:16:03,320 Speaker 2: and whatnot installed in one day, so. 339 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 1: We wouldn't ride in the equipment truck. 340 00:16:06,000 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 2: We would arrive and then the equipment, you know, all 341 00:16:08,640 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 2: of the materials that we would use to install. It 342 00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:12,480 Speaker 2: would come separate, so we'd get there in the morning, 343 00:16:12,760 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 2: and if equipment wasn't there yet, we couldn't do anything. 344 00:16:14,840 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 2: Once the equipment got there, then our project manager would 345 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:20,720 Speaker 2: walk around and like all they have to do is 346 00:16:20,840 --> 00:16:23,760 Speaker 2: just look at the ceilings in these halfway finished homes, 347 00:16:24,240 --> 00:16:26,480 Speaker 2: sketch it out on a napkin, pizza box, whatever. 348 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:26,840 Speaker 1: The case may be. 349 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:29,440 Speaker 2: That's it, and that's a skill. It takes a long 350 00:16:29,440 --> 00:16:32,920 Speaker 2: time to master that. But the point is that person 351 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 2: would be useless if he sketched out the most intricate 352 00:16:36,400 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 2: design for an installation process ever, but the equipment truck 353 00:16:40,000 --> 00:16:43,240 Speaker 2: never arrived. Just as the equipment truck could arrive and 354 00:16:43,280 --> 00:16:45,480 Speaker 2: you could dump out all the materials, but if the 355 00:16:45,480 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 2: guy wasn't there to tell us where to install them, 356 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:48,080 Speaker 2: we didn't know. 357 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:49,480 Speaker 1: We were eighteen years old. 358 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 2: So you need both of them, just as you need 359 00:16:52,160 --> 00:16:54,600 Speaker 2: to be able to recruit at a pretty high level, 360 00:16:54,720 --> 00:16:57,600 Speaker 2: but also you need to be able to develop and 361 00:16:57,840 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 2: install and scheme at a pretty high level level. No 362 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 2: one is winning at the highest levels of this sport 363 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:05,879 Speaker 2: without being able to do a little bit of both. 364 00:17:06,040 --> 00:17:08,320 Speaker 2: So now we circle back to this question of who 365 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:09,440 Speaker 2: the better head coaches? 366 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 1: Well, right now, the answer is Kirby Smart. 367 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 2: If you're not gonna get any more specific for me 368 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,360 Speaker 2: than that got a better head to head record. They 369 00:17:16,400 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 2: have a better program right now than Florida. They are 370 00:17:19,760 --> 00:17:23,200 Speaker 2: recruiting better than Florida. So right now my answer would 371 00:17:23,200 --> 00:17:26,679 Speaker 2: be Georgia. And I think that's pretty simple. Now, on 372 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 2: the flip side, I'm gonna anytime you answer definitively like that, 373 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,320 Speaker 2: you're going to get some pushback, including this argument. So 374 00:17:33,440 --> 00:17:36,280 Speaker 2: with Dan Mullen, I understand what the flip side is, 375 00:17:36,480 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 2: but I think a lot of people make an intellectually 376 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,560 Speaker 2: bankrupt counterpoint here. And the counterpoint I get from a 377 00:17:42,600 --> 00:17:44,680 Speaker 2: lot of my Florida buddies, and believe me, I've got 378 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 2: quite a few of them. 379 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,720 Speaker 1: Is okay. But now, what if the rosters were equal? 380 00:17:50,560 --> 00:17:51,480 Speaker 1: They're not equal. 381 00:17:51,880 --> 00:17:55,679 Speaker 2: That's the whole point. Part of this game is recruiting. 382 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:59,199 Speaker 2: A huge part of this game is recruiting. Let me 383 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:01,560 Speaker 2: ask it to you like this, how much sense would 384 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 2: it make if you were to look at the New 385 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 2: England Patriots, which has been a model franchise for decades now, 386 00:18:07,760 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 2: it seems, and you were to say Okay, let's say 387 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:15,479 Speaker 2: that the Patriots were model franchise, but they sucked at 388 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,720 Speaker 2: the NFL Draft. They were just terrible at it. Well, 389 00:18:18,720 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 2: what would they be answer, not a model franchise. You 390 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 2: can't look around and say this dude's a great play caller, 391 00:18:25,359 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 2: he can develop positions, but they're not all that great 392 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,200 Speaker 2: at recruiting. Now, I want to again caveat this. I'm 393 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 2: not telling you Florida's terrible recruiting. I'm not telling you 394 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:36,880 Speaker 2: that at all. In fact, quite the opposite. I'm telling 395 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,520 Speaker 2: you they recruit very good. That's as far as i'll go. 396 00:18:39,920 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 2: Very good. Georgia little hiccups lately. Notwithstanding, Georgia is an 397 00:18:44,720 --> 00:18:47,760 Speaker 2: elite recruiting powerhouse, and the other programs they have to 398 00:18:47,800 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 2: compete against elite recruiting powerhouses. So I don't really care 399 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,240 Speaker 2: about your hypothetical. What if the rosters were equal? 400 00:18:55,440 --> 00:18:55,959 Speaker 1: Wake me up. 401 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 2: When they are equal? Now, the benefit of Dan Mullin 402 00:18:58,520 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 2: being as good a coach as he is they don't 403 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 2: really have to be equal. But there can't be this 404 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 2: massive gulf between them. He's got to get at least 405 00:19:04,880 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 2: in the ballpark. You get Dan Mullen in the ballpark 406 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 2: of having the same roster as Alabama Georgia lsu well, 407 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:13,359 Speaker 2: he's going to be able to do work then, But 408 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 2: I don't think they're there quite yet. Maybe on the road. 409 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:19,480 Speaker 2: But here's the other aspect that we really have to 410 00:19:19,480 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 2: pay attention to. This is not some saddled answer. This 411 00:19:23,280 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 2: is not a universal truth. Like if I walked outside 412 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 2: today the sky is blue, and I know on July 413 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 2: twenty third of twenty twenty seven, sky's still going to 414 00:19:32,480 --> 00:19:35,000 Speaker 2: be blue. Well today, my answer on this question is 415 00:19:35,040 --> 00:19:38,040 Speaker 2: Kirby smart. If Dan Mullen runs off two or three 416 00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:40,200 Speaker 2: in a row against him and he makes some moves 417 00:19:40,200 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 2: on his coaching staff that bolster their recruiting profile, that 418 00:19:45,119 --> 00:19:48,160 Speaker 2: answer could easily change. But I don't think that even 419 00:19:48,200 --> 00:19:51,119 Speaker 2: the most hardcore Florida Gator fan looks in the mirror 420 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 2: right now and says, we are every bit the recruiting 421 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,760 Speaker 2: equal that Alabama is. We are every bit the recruiting 422 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 2: equal that Georgia is. I know that because I talk 423 00:19:59,240 --> 00:20:02,320 Speaker 2: to you. Recruiting frustrates you right now. It frustrates you 424 00:20:02,560 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 2: that teams from outside your state have come in your 425 00:20:04,720 --> 00:20:08,280 Speaker 2: state and taken too much of your talent. It frustrates 426 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,680 Speaker 2: me to watch as an outsider, and I'm not all 427 00:20:10,680 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 2: that invested in it emotionally. 428 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:14,560 Speaker 1: Like you are. But that could change. 429 00:20:14,720 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 2: We've got countless examples of things evolving all the time 430 00:20:18,200 --> 00:20:20,280 Speaker 2: in this sport. So right now, just to quickly I 431 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 2: told you we're going to spend a ton of time 432 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:24,040 Speaker 2: on this, to quickly address this, how do you not 433 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 2: side with Kirby smart understanding the totality of what goes 434 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 2: into a college head coach. I hear this insanity all 435 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 2: the time about Nick Saban. If Nick Saban didn't recruit 436 00:20:35,640 --> 00:20:38,640 Speaker 2: like he did, what what. 437 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: Do we even talk? 438 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 2: If your vehicle didn't have tires on it, it couldn't 439 00:20:42,320 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 2: go anywhere. It does have tires on it. That's how 440 00:20:45,080 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 2: it goes somewhere. You do recruit at a high level. 441 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,679 Speaker 2: That's how you're a good program. Who out there is 442 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 2: recruiting at a subpar level and winning championships? 443 00:20:54,840 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 1: Who's doing that? 444 00:20:56,000 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 2: Who's recruiting at an elite level but being terrible at 445 00:20:59,520 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 2: developing that talent and then putting it in its proper 446 00:21:02,680 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 2: place on game day and winning championships? Nobody's doing either. 447 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 2: That's the point. You got to be able to do both, 448 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 2: and right now, Kirby Smart and George's program probably closer 449 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:15,119 Speaker 2: to checking both of those boxes respectively than Florida's. Is 450 00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 2: that could change, and it could change quickly, so let's 451 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:22,200 Speaker 2: just stay tuned on that. Moving right along, speaking of recruiting, 452 00:21:22,240 --> 00:21:26,359 Speaker 2: speaking of talent in the state of Florida, I know 453 00:21:26,400 --> 00:21:29,080 Speaker 2: a lot of times, Colin. You added a lot of 454 00:21:29,080 --> 00:21:31,280 Speaker 2: recruiting videos, so you hear it as much as I do. 455 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:33,680 Speaker 2: How many times have we heard a kid come out 456 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 2: and say I'm going to shock the world with my decision? 457 00:21:36,560 --> 00:21:39,359 Speaker 2: And nine times out of ten, nineteen times out of twenty, 458 00:21:39,400 --> 00:21:41,159 Speaker 2: I would adventure to say about ninety five times out 459 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:43,560 Speaker 2: of one hundred, You're not shocked. I know two of 460 00:21:43,560 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 2: those fractions were the same. You are not shocked by 461 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:50,120 Speaker 2: the result, and I'm not either. Well, I was shocked 462 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 2: a couple days ago. James Williams did not, for the record, 463 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,560 Speaker 2: say he was going to shock the world, but he 464 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:58,920 Speaker 2: shocked me. James or Williams is a five star athlete 465 00:21:59,680 --> 00:22:02,320 Speaker 2: from down in South Florida. He goes to American Heritage, 466 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 2: that's a very well known high school down there, and 467 00:22:05,680 --> 00:22:08,719 Speaker 2: it was widely thought and if you're not following recruiting 468 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 2: right now, I can't stress to you enough how widely 469 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,879 Speaker 2: it was thought that he was probably headed to Georgia 470 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,199 Speaker 2: and that was going to continue a trend of the 471 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:17,920 Speaker 2: raid in South Florida. More on that in just a second, 472 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:19,879 Speaker 2: because if we're going to criticize it when it happens, 473 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 2: we got to give a lot of credit when something 474 00:22:22,040 --> 00:22:25,760 Speaker 2: goes against that grame, so lo and behold. I think 475 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,359 Speaker 2: he took a recent unofficial to Georgia, which means he 476 00:22:28,400 --> 00:22:30,280 Speaker 2: paid his own way and he was up there. He's 477 00:22:30,320 --> 00:22:33,919 Speaker 2: been to Georgia several times. The best intel that we 478 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,199 Speaker 2: were getting from people who are very much in the know. 479 00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,760 Speaker 2: They didn't whiff on this, it's just things changed. The 480 00:22:39,840 --> 00:22:41,840 Speaker 2: latest intel we had was he was going to take 481 00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,880 Speaker 2: his recruitment well into the fall winter and maybe even 482 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:48,800 Speaker 2: take it to signing Day, and then boom, a couple 483 00:22:48,840 --> 00:22:52,560 Speaker 2: of nights ago, he pops on Twitter for Miami, and 484 00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:53,959 Speaker 2: I'm going to read you a couple of quotes from 485 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,520 Speaker 2: the statement he put out in a second. It has 486 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 2: been a major focus, as I said earlier in the show, 487 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:03,159 Speaker 2: on this program, to focus on the talent raid and 488 00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 2: exodus of talent that has gone on in South Florida. 489 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:09,720 Speaker 2: This is a major win, a huge win for Miami. 490 00:23:10,960 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 2: Is it a trend or is it an isolated incident. 491 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:17,680 Speaker 2: That's the question moving forward, But for now, really really 492 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:19,200 Speaker 2: good news for them. And I wanted to read you 493 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,080 Speaker 2: a couple of quotes. Andrew Ivans, the guy's over at 494 00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 2: the Miami twenty four to seven site, did a phenomenal 495 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:29,199 Speaker 2: job obviously covering this, but part of the statement that 496 00:23:29,320 --> 00:23:32,080 Speaker 2: James Williams put out, think about the trends, think about 497 00:23:32,080 --> 00:23:34,359 Speaker 2: the underlying themes we've been talking about here as you 498 00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,480 Speaker 2: listen to some of these quotes. Quote, I will not 499 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:40,480 Speaker 2: be leaving the Sunshine State of Florida. I'm shutting down 500 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:44,160 Speaker 2: my recruitment. I'll be signing to the University of Miami. 501 00:23:44,840 --> 00:23:47,760 Speaker 2: You notice he said Sunshine State. I was talking about 502 00:23:47,760 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 2: Elliott earlier today. Could be a coincidence, could be more 503 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 2: than that. But has done the Sunshine State Scorecard for 504 00:23:53,560 --> 00:23:55,679 Speaker 2: a little while. That's the name of the product, and 505 00:23:55,680 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 2: he updates it regularly. And it's just a look at 506 00:23:58,800 --> 00:24:00,440 Speaker 2: the elite four and five star ts talent in the 507 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 2: state of Florida. 508 00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:02,000 Speaker 1: Where are they going? 509 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,040 Speaker 2: And we've seen that trending the wrong direction for the 510 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 2: Big Three in Florida lately, where more and more kids 511 00:24:07,880 --> 00:24:09,679 Speaker 2: now over fifty percent. I think the number was that 512 00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,760 Speaker 2: most recently of former four and five star guys from 513 00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:14,919 Speaker 2: the state of Florida leaving the state of Florida, that 514 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:18,680 Speaker 2: Sunshine State Tracker, Well, James Williams didn't say I'm not 515 00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 2: leaving home. I'm not leaving the Sunshine State. Could be coincidence, 516 00:24:23,000 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 2: could not. But here's what I really wanted you to 517 00:24:25,280 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 2: focus on. Another quote, It's all about family with me. 518 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 2: Another quote, Nothing's changed since the first day that they 519 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,280 Speaker 2: Manny Diaz and his staff at Miami they offered me. 520 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 2: Nothing has changed. They've been preaching to me. Brotherhood, playing 521 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,040 Speaker 2: for the city, and family. Those are the three themes. 522 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 2: As we've said, you don't have to even have an 523 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:51,000 Speaker 2: equal product to Ohio State or Alabama or Clemson or 524 00:24:51,040 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 2: all these programs that come down there and take your talent. 525 00:24:53,560 --> 00:24:56,720 Speaker 2: Just give guys reason enough they want to stay home. 526 00:24:57,240 --> 00:25:01,000 Speaker 2: James Obviously, James Williams wanted to stay home. According to him, 527 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,880 Speaker 2: Manny Diez has given him enough reason to stay there. Now, 528 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:05,879 Speaker 2: this is a physical specimen when you talk about the 529 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,360 Speaker 2: player they're getting. He's a physical specimen. He's listed as 530 00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 2: a safety. He's six five two twenty, so I think 531 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,840 Speaker 2: it's very fair to list him as an athlete and 532 00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 2: then we'll just figure out the rest later. The question 533 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:22,080 Speaker 2: I was reading our Barton Simmons player profile evaluation on him. 534 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 2: The one thing that stands out and this kind of 535 00:25:24,400 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 2: coincides with some intel that I've gotten from guys that 536 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,680 Speaker 2: cover Florida routinely cover the state of Florida routinely over 537 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 2: the past twenty four hours doing some digging on James Williams. 538 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:36,160 Speaker 1: He is very. 539 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:41,760 Speaker 2: Impressive physically, yet I think Barton's words were despite physical traits, 540 00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 2: more of a finesse defensive player needs to develop a 541 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:48,639 Speaker 2: more killer instinct. He's not a finished product as a player, 542 00:25:48,960 --> 00:25:51,679 Speaker 2: nor are most guys in high school. But the point is, 543 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,800 Speaker 2: if nothing else, and there's much more to it, but 544 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:58,480 Speaker 2: if nothing else, this is a huge perceptional win from Miami. 545 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 2: I'll tell you where my attention directly turns, because it 546 00:26:01,080 --> 00:26:03,239 Speaker 2: sounds like this recruitment is pretty much shut down. So 547 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:07,360 Speaker 2: my attention now turns to Jason Marshall. You guys down 548 00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:09,639 Speaker 2: in South Florida. Know the name well, You guys in 549 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,040 Speaker 2: Tuscaloosa know the name well because you think you're right 550 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:14,560 Speaker 2: in it for him too. That's another five star defensive 551 00:26:14,560 --> 00:26:19,439 Speaker 2: back from Miami. Where's he going? Recently, there's been a 552 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 2: lot of smoke about him leaving the state. 553 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: Where's he going? 554 00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:25,679 Speaker 2: Because recruitments like that will determine whether this is just 555 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:28,919 Speaker 2: an isolated win. It's a win, but it's isolated. And 556 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 2: this is kind of a firecracker. Once a fizzles out, 557 00:26:30,960 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 2: it's gone. Or is it the beginning of a wave 558 00:26:34,000 --> 00:26:36,760 Speaker 2: starting to build or a wall starting to be built 559 00:26:36,800 --> 00:26:38,960 Speaker 2: around your talent down in South Florida and you're keeping 560 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:40,760 Speaker 2: a majority of it home. And I'll tell you another thing. 561 00:26:42,080 --> 00:26:44,640 Speaker 2: It really sounds like I'm being negative towards Florida tonight. 562 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:47,399 Speaker 2: I'm not being negative towards Florida. But I got to 563 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,800 Speaker 2: tell you what I was told by a person very 564 00:26:50,840 --> 00:26:54,200 Speaker 2: close to this situation down there, and they volunteered this information. 565 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:55,240 Speaker 1: I didn't ask about it. 566 00:26:55,280 --> 00:26:58,159 Speaker 2: They said, you know, this is big for Miami, but 567 00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:01,360 Speaker 2: think about it from Florida's stamp point. You know, Florida 568 00:27:01,520 --> 00:27:05,560 Speaker 2: fans have been aggravated at other programs coming in and 569 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,440 Speaker 2: taking talent from the state, like we were just talking 570 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,040 Speaker 2: about a few minutes ago, and we've been asking on 571 00:27:11,119 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 2: this show, which of the Big three are going to 572 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,639 Speaker 2: be the ones to at least somewhat shut off that 573 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 2: exodus and that pipeline of talent leaving and Florida folks, reasonably, 574 00:27:21,119 --> 00:27:23,800 Speaker 2: I'm right along with you, reasonably thought, well, since we're 575 00:27:23,800 --> 00:27:26,520 Speaker 2: the program that is the most legitimate right now in 576 00:27:26,600 --> 00:27:28,280 Speaker 2: terms of the product we're putting on the field, it's 577 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 2: going to be us. 578 00:27:29,440 --> 00:27:30,679 Speaker 1: What if it's not Florida. 579 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,639 Speaker 2: What if, despite the fact that Florida's playing at a 580 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 2: top ten level right now, it's Miami barely five hundred 581 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,120 Speaker 2: or below five hundred last year wherever they were struggling 582 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:41,960 Speaker 2: to make a Bowl game. What if it's Miami that, 583 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,000 Speaker 2: despite the poor product on the field and only a 584 00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 2: second years staff down there, what if they're the ones 585 00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:52,000 Speaker 2: that end up capitalizing. How do you reason that if 586 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 2: you're a Florida fan. This is not me speaking, although 587 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:57,200 Speaker 2: I agree with it. This was the sentiment being expressed 588 00:27:57,200 --> 00:28:00,240 Speaker 2: to me as someone I was talking to yesterday and today. 589 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: Very close to that situation. 590 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:05,120 Speaker 2: So hats off to Manny Dias and the guys down 591 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 2: there for getting that done. They were very very excited 592 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:11,120 Speaker 2: on Twitter. Speaking of Twitter, we'll wrap the show up 593 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 2: with this. The other day, I think it was Monday. 594 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:17,480 Speaker 2: It was early in the week, I expressed a simple 595 00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,359 Speaker 2: sentiment on Twitter that a lot of you noticed and 596 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 2: a lot of you asked about. So I was going 597 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 2: to address it on the Late Kick Extra podcast and tonight, 598 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 2: and I just said, after several weeks of negativity and 599 00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 2: negative vibes, I just felt some positive vibes towards football season, 600 00:28:31,440 --> 00:28:34,320 Speaker 2: pro and college, felt some positive vibes over the weekend 601 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:36,960 Speaker 2: talking to some folks and decision making positions, and I 602 00:28:37,040 --> 00:28:39,120 Speaker 2: just tweeted it out because you know, I like to 603 00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:41,600 Speaker 2: keep a pretty fair stream of consciousness out there and 604 00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 2: you respond, and that's how I interact with you guys 605 00:28:43,760 --> 00:28:46,320 Speaker 2: during the week at Late Kick Josh on Twitter if 606 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:47,760 Speaker 2: you want to follow, and I would ask that you 607 00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 2: do that, by the way, but you wanted me to 608 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 2: explain what I meant by that, So let me go 609 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 2: into not too much depth right quick, but I just 610 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 2: give you some feedback from what we've been hearing. Very 611 00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,640 Speaker 2: fluid situations like trying to nailjo to the wall. Perceptions 612 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 2: not reality, and that's what I've been imploring you to do. 613 00:29:04,880 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 2: You'll notice we haven't taken definitive statements. Colin correct me 614 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 2: if I'm wrong. I don't think we've taken a single definitive, 615 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,400 Speaker 2: hard line stance on this because we are smart enough 616 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:16,680 Speaker 2: to know we're not experts in this field. Some would 617 00:29:16,760 --> 00:29:18,760 Speaker 2: argue we're not even experts in the field of college football, 618 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,720 Speaker 2: but we're certainly not experts in the field of infectious disease. 619 00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 2: We're not in the rooms when the decisions are being made. 620 00:29:24,800 --> 00:29:27,760 Speaker 2: We don't know the data that other decision makers have 621 00:29:27,800 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 2: been privy to. But here's what you can know. What 622 00:29:30,840 --> 00:29:34,560 Speaker 2: you can know is common sense. The way we just 623 00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 2: described ourselves also describes a lot of decision makers out there, 624 00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 2: which circles back to the five ninety five rule that 625 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,480 Speaker 2: we have been repeating at nauseum on late kick and 626 00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 2: the five ninety five rule and principle at this point 627 00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 2: really is ninety five percent are just sitting around and 628 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,720 Speaker 2: waiting for someone else to do something. No one wants 629 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 2: to make the first move, and there are a relatively 630 00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 2: small group. There's a relatively small group of decision makers 631 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,840 Speaker 2: that are making the initial moves, and then a wave 632 00:30:03,200 --> 00:30:06,320 Speaker 2: ninety five plus percent of folks they just follow. That's 633 00:30:06,360 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 2: why I've told you a lot of the negativity has 634 00:30:09,120 --> 00:30:13,080 Speaker 2: been a virtual mirage. This could be redundant a mirage, 635 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 2: and it's because when the few go that way, everyone 636 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 2: just follows. And so the few may take a pessimistic 637 00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:23,560 Speaker 2: approach and everyone else just follows. Well, if you'll notice, 638 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,840 Speaker 2: as we get closer to what is supposed to be 639 00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 2: the start of the season, there have been a few 640 00:30:28,520 --> 00:30:31,400 Speaker 2: things that start to reverse course. As I told you 641 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,840 Speaker 2: I expected to happen, and I'll tell you some things 642 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:34,480 Speaker 2: that are happening. 643 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: Our high school associations in. 644 00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 2: Some states are announcing either a slightly delayed start to 645 00:30:40,000 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 2: a season, like they're going to do in Georgia, but 646 00:30:41,760 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 2: play the entirety of the year, or start on time 647 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 2: and try and play the entirety of the year like 648 00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:47,960 Speaker 2: they're doing it in the state of Alabama. You've got 649 00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:51,160 Speaker 2: programs like Alabama that you see reports of trying to 650 00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:53,960 Speaker 2: schedule bring them young, not for the end of the year, 651 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:57,160 Speaker 2: for the beginning of the year. I've seen today a 652 00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 2: lot of other reports. These are unconfirmed, because that's what 653 00:30:59,720 --> 00:31:01,720 Speaker 2: they are right now is whispers things people are working 654 00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,320 Speaker 2: on about locking down out of conference competition for the 655 00:31:05,360 --> 00:31:08,720 Speaker 2: beginning of the year. You've got programs that are pushing forward, 656 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 2: getting ready to open camp. You've had some very positive 657 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 2: testing numbers that have come back from a lot of 658 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:18,000 Speaker 2: places after initially it looked nightmarish. The more you've had 659 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 2: guys in a controlled environment on campus, you've seen similar 660 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,040 Speaker 2: results to what you've seen with Major League Baseball once 661 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 2: they've had guys in controlled environments, the NBA, once they've 662 00:31:27,320 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 2: had guys in controlled environments. And to repeat what we've 663 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:34,719 Speaker 2: said all along, sadly, I guess you could say a 664 00:31:34,760 --> 00:31:38,920 Speaker 2: lot more of the decision making process is being predicated 665 00:31:39,160 --> 00:31:44,160 Speaker 2: on public relations and perception than data and numbers. I'm 666 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 2: not saying data and numbers aren't being adhere too. I'm 667 00:31:46,880 --> 00:31:48,920 Speaker 2: not saying they're not being paid a lot of attention. 668 00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 2: I'm telling you that is not the end all be 669 00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 2: all here. And so a lot of folks in decision 670 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,360 Speaker 2: making positions have sat around. I can't blame them. I'd 671 00:31:57,400 --> 00:31:59,480 Speaker 2: probably be in the same boat, and they have just 672 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:03,160 Speaker 2: hope and prayed for some positivity that they can hitch 673 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 2: their wagon to as an excuse to get the season started. 674 00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 2: I think you've started to see some of that, and that, 675 00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:11,800 Speaker 2: in turn is why you looked around and you said, 676 00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 2: what was that? Does anyone else feel that? Does anyone 677 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,440 Speaker 2: else smell that? It just feels like a little bit 678 00:32:16,440 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 2: of positivity, not a lot. We don't have anything determined. 679 00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 2: Things could go south tomorrow, Things could go south in 680 00:32:22,480 --> 00:32:25,560 Speaker 2: five minutes. But I do feel a little bit of positivity. 681 00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:27,960 Speaker 2: And so those are the things. There's nothing hidden, There's 682 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 2: nothing I've got up my sleeve that I don't. 683 00:32:29,960 --> 00:32:31,920 Speaker 1: Know or you don't know that I'm just keeping from you. 684 00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 2: But I think if you just sit back and hold tight, 685 00:32:35,920 --> 00:32:38,120 Speaker 2: still got a couple of weeks here, you're probably going 686 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:40,760 Speaker 2: to hear some stuff from the SEC. Sooner rather than later, 687 00:32:40,960 --> 00:32:44,360 Speaker 2: you'll get a more definitive idea of how we're supposed 688 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 2: to approach a scheduling format. I also would implore you 689 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:54,080 Speaker 2: to remember there are a lot of inaccuracies in reporting 690 00:32:54,080 --> 00:32:57,680 Speaker 2: out there. I guess partly it's accurate. Partly the concern 691 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 2: for college football is, well, it's very hard to marry 692 00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:03,240 Speaker 2: up everyone's health standards and protocols. 693 00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:06,080 Speaker 1: And that's true. But here's what's also true. 694 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 2: When I had a project back in the day that 695 00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,160 Speaker 2: I knew was due in a week, I was a procrastinator. 696 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:13,800 Speaker 2: I couldn't have cared less about it. If it's due 697 00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:15,840 Speaker 2: in a week, if we're today July twenty third, if 698 00:33:15,880 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 2: it's due July thirtieth, I'm not paying a bit of 699 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:20,040 Speaker 2: attention to it. There's no urgency. 700 00:33:20,440 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: But if it was. 701 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:24,920 Speaker 2: Due July twenty fourth, then everything's out the window and 702 00:33:24,960 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 2: I'm doing whatever it takes to get it done. Usually 703 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 2: the night before it's due. Same thing's gonna happen with 704 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,640 Speaker 2: testing protocols and procedures and how you handle contact tracing. 705 00:33:35,600 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 2: Everybody's got a different opinion. Watch and see what I 706 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:42,120 Speaker 2: tell you. Magically, from the power five standpoint, at least 707 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,520 Speaker 2: a majority will fall in line just in time, and 708 00:33:45,560 --> 00:33:49,560 Speaker 2: you'll get some announcements just in time the night before 709 00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,400 Speaker 2: you're supposed to have the project turned in. That's essentially 710 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,960 Speaker 2: the way I see this playing out. So say all 711 00:33:54,960 --> 00:33:57,280 Speaker 2: that to say, still be brave enough to admit you 712 00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,080 Speaker 2: don't know what you don't know. See a lot of 713 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:01,680 Speaker 2: you out there making fools yourself, right, now I'm just 714 00:34:01,760 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 2: telling you we don't know. So we're going to sit 715 00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 2: back on this one. We're not at the forefront. We're 716 00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,239 Speaker 2: not breaking any news necessarily on this. If you want 717 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:10,200 Speaker 2: to follow some of the best reporting that's been done 718 00:34:10,239 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 2: on this, our Brandon Marcello has done an excellent job 719 00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:13,440 Speaker 2: at that. 720 00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:14,920 Speaker 1: I've read everything. 721 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,360 Speaker 2: I've read every word that he has written on this, 722 00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 2: and we'll continue to do so. And then there are 723 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:23,920 Speaker 2: some other high profile writers out there that I have 724 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,319 Speaker 2: really not valued the opinion of very much on this 725 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:29,560 Speaker 2: issue for obvious reasons. So we appreciate you valuing our 726 00:34:29,600 --> 00:34:31,440 Speaker 2: opinion enough to give us a little bit of your 727 00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:33,479 Speaker 2: time tonight. We'll be back here at the same time 728 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:36,760 Speaker 2: Sunday night, eight eastern, seventh Central. If you haven't already, 729 00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:39,759 Speaker 2: subscribe to the YouTube channel here, it's free, And if 730 00:34:39,800 --> 00:34:42,440 Speaker 2: you haven't already, subscribe to the Late Cack podcast and 731 00:34:42,440 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 2: give us a five star review. We got a great 732 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 2: shout out in the national meeting Tuesday because we have 733 00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:51,200 Speaker 2: passed a lot of analytics milestones that quite frankly, it 734 00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:53,240 Speaker 2: looked like it would take a lot longer to surpass 735 00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:57,479 Speaker 2: than it has. That's not me, that's you so big time. 736 00:34:57,560 --> 00:35:00,560 Speaker 2: All Caps, thank you, and continue that moment the forest, 737 00:35:00,600 --> 00:35:03,959 Speaker 2: because hey, before you know it, we may mess around 738 00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,200 Speaker 2: and actually have some football games to break down in 739 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:07,280 Speaker 2: the not too distant future. 740 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,319 Speaker 1: We may have some camps opening up in the not 741 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,839 Speaker 1: too distant future. So you've stuck with us this far, 742 00:35:12,320 --> 00:35:13,280 Speaker 1: stick with us a little. 743 00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 2: Bit blocker for director Colin, for Aaron, for Tani, I'm 744 00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,520 Speaker 2: Josh fate have a great and safe weekend. We'll see 745 00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:20,400 Speaker 2: you back here Sunday night. Until then, God bless