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Speaker 2: Here's Nicky Here. I am hello with Nicky Glazer. Welcome
Speaker 2: to Nicky Lazer Podcast. There's a very special episode of
Speaker 2: the podcast, as you already know because you clicked on it.
Speaker 2: But this is for Swift these uh only not only,
Speaker 2: but I just feel like you just need to know
Speaker 2: what you're in for. Like this is going to be
Speaker 2: a love fest, a gush fest, it's gonna be a dorkathon.
Speaker 2: We're like gonna go hard and just lean into being
Speaker 2: totally obsessed with this thing that brings us so much joy.
Speaker 2: So I'm joined today on this special Swift episode to
Speaker 2: go over the Tortured Poets apartment. And by the way,
Speaker 2: this is something I'm doing because I've been asked by
Speaker 2: so many people to do it, and also I just
Speaker 2: love talking about her so much. It's the It's like
Speaker 2: Anya witnesses it on the road a lot with me,
Speaker 2: because I'll be really depressed and then someone I'll meet
Speaker 2: someone that kind of has some knowledge about Taylor Swift,
Speaker 2: and I will light up like a fucking mirror ball. Bitches,
Speaker 2: I just become like shinier and just happier about the
Speaker 2: world and she's always kind of like mystified at this.
Speaker 2: What does Taylor call it? We'll get into it. The
Speaker 2: drug that you take, the fortnite drug that just snaps
Speaker 2: you out of things, And she's that for us, and
Speaker 2: today us is me and the one person in my
Speaker 2: life who's And I said this on my Stories. I
Speaker 2: just posted whose love for Taylor Swift rivals my own?
Speaker 2: And I invite it like I'm not someone who's like
Speaker 2: I'm the best Swifty because I'm definitely not. But she
Speaker 2: is so knowledgeable. She loves her in the same way
Speaker 2: I do, but also in a different way. You'll see that,
Speaker 2: like our favorites from the new album are kind of summer,
Speaker 2: are completely opposed to one another, and I find that
Speaker 2: so fascinating. I got so much data this weekend from
Speaker 2: you guys sending me your top three and five favorite songs.
Speaker 2: I said three just in case you didn't have time
Speaker 2: to listen to five and fall in love with five,
Speaker 2: because I know how it is, but you all said five.
Speaker 2: No one said three because everyone already had favorites and
Speaker 2: it's so fun. So anyway, who I am talking about
Speaker 2: is such a hilarious comedian. She is from Canada. I
Speaker 2: met her from you can just come on and start
Speaker 2: talking before I Who did we meet through.
Speaker 1: Dave Ross, The wonderful Dave Ross.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, yes, the best. And you know there's
Speaker 2: certain people in your life if they just like recommend
Speaker 2: someone or they say this person's a good person, they
Speaker 2: vouch for someone, You're just like I trust them, like
Speaker 2: I'll love this person. So he wrote me about you
Speaker 2: and then you open for me where in Toronto?
Speaker 1: And it was yes, incredible.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that was Oh my god. Okay, nor
Speaker 2: Haddi is who we're with. Nor Hadidi. You gotta follow
Speaker 2: her on Instagram all the things, especially if you're swifty.
Speaker 2: She is one of us. She's such a diehard. Her
Speaker 2: and I are the most diehard swifty comedians, without question,
Speaker 2: without Chestry. Her name is n O. You are h
Speaker 2: A d I d I nor Hadidi? So nor you
Speaker 2: actually just defended Taylor Swift in like a debate, right, yes,
Speaker 2: So it's like a special debate thing that shows a
Speaker 2: big deal in Canada because I've don't know it before. It
Speaker 2: was a lot of pressure in the audience. It's kind
Speaker 2: of like a weight Wait, don't tell me for Canada.
Speaker 2: For those Americans listening.
Speaker 1: Okay, yes, I can't believe you did it now I'm jealous.
Speaker 1: I didn't debate you because I think that would be
Speaker 1: so much fun.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. I would be intimidated to debate you.
Speaker 2: I would like, because I love you so much. I like,
Speaker 2: would want you to win.
Speaker 1: You're so sweet.
Speaker 2: You're like not that it's not that it's like nor
Speaker 2: you'd need me to throw it, so, but I would like,
Speaker 2: I just wouldn't be I like going against people that
Speaker 2: I'm like, you fucking idiot, you know.
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, like people who you want to take down.
Speaker 2: Well, you're just like you because you argued what was
Speaker 2: the debate about what was the top.
Speaker 1: Taylor Swift has the greatest fans in the world, and
Speaker 1: I said yes, and so I debated yeah.
Speaker 2: And I'm actually struggle with because I don't know every
Speaker 2: fan base. It's hard to say the best, right.
Speaker 1: But here's this is what I said on the debate.
Speaker 1: I was like, compared it to other fan bases, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, Okay, I live in Canada and hockey is
Speaker 1: so huge. If a hockey game loses, like people like
Speaker 1: cars on fire, they're so aggressive, right, and.
Speaker 2: We can't find Matt Healy's car, otherwise we would. I
Speaker 2: don't know if he drives. Yeah, you're right, they do.
Speaker 2: People get really worked up about sports in a way
Speaker 2: that I find very similar. As I've talked about on
Speaker 2: the podcast, that football and Taylor Swift are very similar
Speaker 2: men's obsession and how we kind of roll our eyes
Speaker 2: at that is the kind of way they roll our
Speaker 2: eyes at this emotional thing that is very They're diametrically opposed,
Speaker 2: like is one is obviously very emotional, but like mostly physical,
Speaker 2: even though there's so many emotions in football, And actually
Speaker 2: they're very similar. But the way that I looked at
Speaker 2: football is probably the way that men looked at Taylor Swift.
Speaker 2: And I hope that we've both changed our minds because
Speaker 2: I'm like obsessed with football now, not obsessed, but like
Speaker 2: could be obsessed. I see a way in where I
Speaker 2: really admire players, and I've done a lot of research
Speaker 2: recently and I've been watching a lot of documentaries about it,
Speaker 2: and I just am like, oh, you know what, Yeah,
Speaker 2: football fans are swifties, the ones that dress up and
Speaker 2: everything like are their lives revolves around whether the the
Speaker 2: you know, the Browns are doing well and they're never
Speaker 2: doing real That's the funny thing about span bases that
Speaker 2: where I go because I've wondered, I go, wait, the
Speaker 2: Browns have never won a Super Bowl or like really
Speaker 2: even been close and there yet there's diehard Browns fans.
Speaker 2: I go like, what is I know? Like it's crazy,
Speaker 2: I don't. I guess that's a dumb question because if
Speaker 2: there's always a chance that you could because other franchises
Speaker 2: have figured it out and that's the fun part of it.
Speaker 2: But I think that's very sweet to root for such
Speaker 2: an underdog so dieheartedly that you pay your face.
Speaker 1: So because I'm such a huge tailor Swift family, I
Speaker 1: now like watch Jason Kelsey's retirement speech, like that's how
Speaker 1: deep I'm in that is.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, he's like a distant That speech is
Speaker 2: a distant cousin to you know, the Blank Space video.
Speaker 2: Like they're on the same you know what I mean,
Speaker 2: They're just far from each other. They're very far removed,
Speaker 2: but there they are a part of the Swift lore. Now,
Speaker 2: like everything about that family. I walk to the Kelsey documentary.
Speaker 2: I loved it. Jason Kelce because guess what, Taylor and
Speaker 2: Travis get along. Travis has a good fucking family. Taylor
Speaker 2: has a good fucking family. She's nice and she gets
Speaker 2: along with everyone. So she's like, obviously she's gonna introduce
Speaker 2: us us Swifties as fans to other people that we
Speaker 2: should be fans of because they're so awesome and that family.
Speaker 1: And that's the thing. It's like in that retirement speech,
Speaker 1: she was like, it's no wonder that the best years
Speaker 1: of my career with my wife Kylie by my side.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, this is a family that
Speaker 1: respects women, right, like yes, and his mom he said
Speaker 1: in that speech that his mom was like the breadmaker,
Speaker 1: like she went to she worked.
Speaker 2: The bread maker. I like that you said bread maker
Speaker 2: instead of breadwinner.
Speaker 1: Oh, breadwinner.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry she didn't work, but she was making bread
Speaker 2: all the time and stayed in the kitchen doing that
Speaker 2: as she's supposed to. But we changed the name of
Speaker 2: it to make it feel more.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 2: You know, well, that's so funny that you said she's
Speaker 2: the bread makers at a red Winner, but you meant
Speaker 2: like she earns. But no, yes, yes, I know what
Speaker 2: you're saying. Like the way treat their mom, the way
Speaker 2: they kiss her you know, on the field after they win,
Speaker 2: and the way and that family going through having two
Speaker 2: sons in the Super Bowl against each other. I don't
Speaker 2: know if you've seen the Kelsey documentary, but that's what
Speaker 2: it follows. It's insane, it's so cool, it's so touching,
Speaker 2: it's so sad because they're gonna be just they're gonna
Speaker 2: be so sad for one of their sons who they
Speaker 2: love equally. It's very It was an amazing documentmentary anyway,
Speaker 2: But this is all connected, right, So we so you
Speaker 2: debated the fan base. Can I just say about the
Speaker 2: fan base I have yet to meet as Swifty. I
Speaker 2: don't like, I know, I like whenever I run into one,
Speaker 2: they're always nice. I say, I just wish they wanted
Speaker 2: to talk, even like I want to jump in so
Speaker 2: deep right away. And I found two girls on the
Speaker 2: same flight from Buffalo to LaGuardia. I found two girls
Speaker 2: that were down to talk the way you and I
Speaker 2: talk about Taylor Swift, which you know, I don't talk
Speaker 2: about Taylor Swift as anyone except I mean, I have
Speaker 2: a couple of people, but the way we talk, and
Speaker 2: these girls were ready to get face to face and
Speaker 2: talk about it because sometimes I see a tailor Swift
Speaker 2: stuff and I'm like, hey, we get so Bots department.
Speaker 2: It's coming out and it's like a seven year old
Speaker 2: and she's just like, Mom, I'm scared. I'm just like
Speaker 2: I want to be like that one's about and people
Speaker 2: don't sometimes want to go that deep, and I know them.
Speaker 1: I love it. Like one time I was walking on
Speaker 1: the streets of New York and I had a T
Speaker 1: shirt from her Lover merch and a girl stopped me
Speaker 1: and we like started talking about her on the street.
Speaker 1: You know, That's why I wear her merch.
Speaker 2: Is I want to connect with other Swifties. It's and
Speaker 2: I'm proud to be a Taylor Swift fan and I
Speaker 2: think she's beautiful and I like having her face on
Speaker 2: my shirts, even though I will say there's a lot
Speaker 2: of complaints in the merch in the subreddit Taylor Swift
Speaker 2: that the merch They're like, we don't want her face,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, that's all I want.
Speaker 1: That's all.
Speaker 2: I love her name, I love the way it looks,
Speaker 2: but like I love wearing her face, but I love
Speaker 2: That's why I wear stuff is so people will say
Speaker 2: something because every time I see some merch, I always
Speaker 2: go Taylor Swift. I always go I I.
Speaker 1: Like wearing my like merch that nobody unless you're out
Speaker 1: a diehard Swifty you don't know. Like I have this
Speaker 1: sweatshirt with her cat on it. That's good. Yeah.
Speaker 2: The problem is I were stuff that says Taylor Swift
Speaker 2: and people don't come up to me. No one, I
Speaker 2: swear to God. I know how many Swifties are out there,
Speaker 2: but I do not get Hey, Swift eat a lot
Speaker 2: in public. That's why this weekend it was so rare
Speaker 2: to have two on a plane. Like usually I'm the
Speaker 2: one to start the conversation, so I would love to
Speaker 2: wear like That's why I like the torture to Poets
Speaker 2: department and earrings. I got the studs because those are
Speaker 2: a subtle nod. Yeah, they're so cute, you know, like
Speaker 2: for instance, you I thought Taylor Swift might be at
Speaker 2: a comedy show that I was gonna do recently, and
Speaker 2: the first first person I texted was Nore and I
Speaker 2: was like, Pearl, yeah, I Taylor might be there. What
Speaker 2: do I do?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: How do I plan this set?
Speaker 1: Like?
Speaker 2: What do I say that so that she perks up
Speaker 2: and like gets that we should be friends, which should
Speaker 2: I not even worry about that. And my biggest thing
Speaker 2: was like not worry about the material because I could
Speaker 2: pretty much do all of it, and I know she
Speaker 2: would dig it. But I think that I wanted to
Speaker 2: have something that she would know I'm as swiftye but
Speaker 2: it would not be acknowledging her at all, Like it
Speaker 2: wouldn't be calling her out at all. I don't want
Speaker 2: to draw any attention to her. And we had a
Speaker 2: lot of ideas. You and I. I thought you liked
Speaker 2: my idea of doing the lovers or like the ten
Speaker 2: albums on my fingernails, yes, thirteen. On my hand, the
Speaker 2: thirteen might have been distracting it a little over the top,
Speaker 2: Like I wanted it to be so subtle. I wanted
Speaker 2: to maybe drop a lyric, like a very like a
Speaker 2: lyric that is, maybe like a second verse lyric that
Speaker 2: not a lot of people would catch, and then she
Speaker 2: would just go like even if she was like totally
Speaker 2: zoning out, she'd be like, what, yeah, the way we
Speaker 2: all zip up the sea.
Speaker 1: Went the opposite way. I was like, Nikki, I'm ordering
Speaker 1: you the no It's Becky shirt from Tumblr. You're gonna
Speaker 1: write lyrics on your phone.
Speaker 2: If I had to no as Becky shirt, I would
Speaker 2: wear it because that's that is that's good enough that
Speaker 2: it like I would bet maybe one other girl in
Speaker 2: the room would know what that is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know.
Speaker 2: That's pretty like deep swifty. There's some stuff. There's so
Speaker 2: many swifty jokes and moments. And I learn a lot
Speaker 2: from my fellow swifties that have come before me that
Speaker 2: educated me about stuff that happened in the past. When
Speaker 2: Taylor used to get really wilin on Tumblr, yeah, I
Speaker 2: love I love that. It's so funny.
Speaker 1: She's incredible. Are you kidding me? And if you go
Speaker 1: back to some for Tumbler posts, like the hashtags she
Speaker 1: uses are hilarious.
Speaker 2: She's so smart as we know. Because this album, let's
Speaker 2: just dive right in, no ride in, I'm acting like,
Speaker 2: oh yeah, we're getting right to it. I could go
Speaker 2: on and on. I think that, you know, we need
Speaker 2: to do this again and again. I'm just like, it
Speaker 2: would be fun to just go through every album and
Speaker 2: just like talk about stuff because I need to talk
Speaker 2: about Aras tour in depth because I've seen it twelve
Speaker 2: times now.
Speaker 1: Incredible and have you been yet not yet. We're going
Speaker 1: to go in the summer. I told you with my family,
Speaker 1: we're going to That's right, Yeah, nah, yeah.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm trying to go to, Nora. I like,
Speaker 2: actually save good days. I'm trying to bring my parents.
Speaker 2: You're going with your parents.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well my parents are divorced. I'm going with my
Speaker 1: dad and then my uncle's family, so his brother and
Speaker 1: then my cousins as well because my graduating. We don't
Speaker 1: will we haven't bought the tickets yet. I should maybe yeah,
Speaker 1: but we're like we've planned it.
Speaker 2: But okay, god, it was actually gonna have as you
Speaker 2: have to tell you. I was kinning to get you
Speaker 2: on the floor. I know, I like, I'll loan you money,
Speaker 2: like you know you can pay you back and like
Speaker 2: one hundred of yew. I don't even care if you
Speaker 2: pay me back, like you could just take it because
Speaker 2: you I need you to be on the floor and
Speaker 2: not that. If anyone's listening and hasn't been on the
Speaker 2: floor or hasn't been on to eras Is somehow like
Speaker 2: had a lesser experience, but you you did. I mean
Speaker 2: there's better places and if you're gonna go, go, if
Speaker 2: you can't. I mean, getting in there is just good enough,
Speaker 2: and that's so good enough. But if you have a choice,
Speaker 2: fight for those floor seats.
Speaker 1: So here's the thing, because I was actually going to
Speaker 1: text you for about ticket advice, so I'm so glad
Speaker 1: you said that. It's actually the tickets for floor are
Speaker 1: so much cheaper than the seated ones in Europe because
Speaker 1: there's because there's no seats. It's like first come, first
Speaker 1: serve kind of thing. It's like a whoa, do you
Speaker 1: know what I mean, it's like a mess.
Speaker 2: You know. I'm on my feet the whole fucking time,
Speaker 2: though I don't you know this. This is a fun
Speaker 2: stat about me twelve era shows. Uh only went to
Speaker 2: the bathroom one time, and it was because I was
Speaker 2: having a panic attack. But the rest of the time,
Speaker 2: only one bathroom break and it was on my first
Speaker 2: show because I smoked a little weed before I went in,
Speaker 2: and then I was thinking that a plane was gonna
Speaker 2: like I was like, what if a plane crashes into
Speaker 2: this arena. I was just like going to some dark places,
Speaker 2: so I was like, I need to like get out
Speaker 2: of here. So I went to go to the bathroom
Speaker 2: just to get a walk and then I came back
Speaker 2: and I was like, don't ever do that. Don't ever
Speaker 2: smoke weed again. When you're late to a tailor show
Speaker 2: show that you're already mad about being late at and
Speaker 2: you don't feel cute enough and you're going alone and
Speaker 2: you're meeting up with a fan like it was a lot,
Speaker 2: and I didn't even it was just like, I don't
Speaker 2: even know if it was the weed, it was just
Speaker 2: the circumstance. And I was But that's the only time
Speaker 2: I've ever gone anywhere during and then I leave early.
Speaker 2: You're usually during Karma. I leave really because it's really
Speaker 2: fun to dance and walk and like strut like she is,
Speaker 2: and I've been there for three and a half hours.
Speaker 2: I get it at this point, and I hate traffic,
Speaker 2: I hate crowds. I get nervous about it. But it
Speaker 2: is really fun because you have so much room to
Speaker 2: like walk and be like and sing like Karme is
Speaker 2: my boyfriend, and it like feels like victorious and you're
Speaker 2: and I'm always in like a flow dress. I usually
Speaker 2: dress in like folklore or evermore like I like wearing
Speaker 2: a flowy like wood woods dress love And so then
Speaker 2: I get to like twirl and dance and like kind
Speaker 2: of Florence in the machine my way out of there.
Speaker 2: So that's really fun. But my body just will not
Speaker 2: produce a need to be the whole show. It just
Speaker 2: knows like we're not. I don't. It's not like I'm
Speaker 2: holding it. I'm just like totally yeah, but that would
Speaker 2: be interest. I think I think then you then you
Speaker 2: definitely do four, and I think it'll be great. Yes,
Speaker 2: I mean yeah, I think the people people in being
Speaker 2: are respectful and they'll mind each other's space. That's why
Speaker 2: they can out there.
Speaker 1: Right, I hope. So I know you said that you
Speaker 1: wanted to go to Japan next time, which I would
Speaker 1: love to do because yes, it's like the videos are
Speaker 1: magical except American.
Speaker 2: It's so funny to be like finally it's just me
Speaker 2: singing the whole time, like that's my dream, is like
Speaker 2: singing at each other.
Speaker 1: You're like killer harmonized with me.
Speaker 2: Girl, let's do Oh my god, I get some nervous
Speaker 2: like I've been front row and second row and third
Speaker 2: row and seventh row and eleventh throw, and when I'm
Speaker 2: up close, like when she comes near and she you
Speaker 2: can see the hair on her arms like that's how
Speaker 2: close I am to her, which made me go, oh
Speaker 2: my god, I want hair on my arms. So but
Speaker 2: like on her upper arm, she has like these glistening
Speaker 2: blonde hairs that are so beautiful, and I was like, god,
Speaker 2: she's just like perf. You know, you just see how
Speaker 2: perfect she is and beautiful and cute, and like you
Speaker 2: also are like not intimidated. You're intimidated because she's her,
Speaker 2: but you're also like she's my friend.
Speaker 1: Hi.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but when she I always get nervous singing. I
Speaker 2: don't want her to, like hear get distracted. If I
Speaker 2: say not that she would ever get distracted me because
Speaker 2: she's a fucking thro But I get nervous, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: get the lyric wrong, and she'll look at me and
Speaker 2: she'll not that she'll be disappointed me, but she'll be
Speaker 2: singing with me. Because sometimes when you're singing with people
Speaker 2: and they do the wrong lyric, you like follow their mouth.
Speaker 2: But I doubt she has that problem because she's you know,
Speaker 2: she can do it with a broken heart.
Speaker 1: She can do it. Got that song is incredible, Like.
Speaker 2: So you know what, it's time to take a break.
Speaker 2: So let's just do that and then we'll come back
Speaker 2: and hopefully pick it back up where we started. But
Speaker 2: we're all over the place, and I promise we're going
Speaker 2: to get to some songs who could get back to
Speaker 2: it them Nor had bed okay, so torture Poets, let
Speaker 2: let's get to it the Torture Poets department.
Speaker 1: Dude.
Speaker 2: I saw it coming. I think I told Nor, Or
Speaker 2: at least I told Nor that I told someone that
Speaker 2: she was going to announce it the Grammys, a new album.
Speaker 2: I said it on the red carpet of this event,
Speaker 2: and I'm trying to find footage of it so I
Speaker 2: can show you that I predicted that.
Speaker 1: I go.
Speaker 2: People are thinking, we're getting reputation announcement tonight, and we're
Speaker 2: getting a new album. She announced it and I was
Speaker 2: like yes, and I was so excited. And then it
Speaker 2: turns into a double album at two am, and of
Speaker 2: course it did.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to say thank you to all the
Speaker 1: Detective Swifties, like I feel like there's different groups of us,
Speaker 1: and the Detective Twists Swifties I love so much because
Speaker 1: they were like two desks, two cups. It's going to
Speaker 1: be a double album like things I wouldn't notice I
Speaker 1: noticed the two's, but there's some people who just like
Speaker 1: pause the video, look at the polaroids, analyze them, who's
Speaker 1: in it?
Speaker 2: Like those to have those swift pas essential swift because
Speaker 2: absolutely like I can do my research and watch those
Speaker 2: clips and learn about stuff and then find my own
Speaker 2: kind of things, which I have something to reveal on
Speaker 2: this episode that I like I made. I found a
Speaker 2: huge thing that I think that no one else has
Speaker 2: put pointed out. I did point it out on TikTok.
Speaker 2: I wrote it in the comments of a video that
Speaker 2: I think you sent me. But I was like, I've
Speaker 2: got another clue, and so I hope maybe people have
Speaker 2: picked it up by now, But I'll reveal that later
Speaker 2: when we get to it. But I do. I do
Speaker 2: appreciate everyone showing me what to look for. And also
Speaker 2: I wouldn't the two things. I wouldn't have noticed on
Speaker 2: my own, Like someone had to point that out. But
Speaker 2: then I started seeing, you know, saying it more. But yeah,
Speaker 2: there's so many layers to this. Before torture potes came out, like,
Speaker 2: let's say, was this what you expected it to be?
Speaker 1: Absolutely not absolutely repeting. I was expecting something more along
Speaker 1: the line lines of Midnights, where it was a lot
Speaker 1: more poppy. We had those dance numbers, we had the
Speaker 1: like somber songs, you know, but I just wasn't expecting
Speaker 1: it to be this lyrical.
Speaker 2: Oh, it is dense. This is James Joyce era for
Speaker 2: Taylor of Just Like, and I don't even know what
Speaker 2: his writing is like because people have scared me of
Speaker 2: it so much because it's so dense. I remember someone
Speaker 2: in college being like, it's the worst class, not the worst,
Speaker 2: and like, it's just I'm saying that obviously he's a genius,
Speaker 2: and that's it was too intimidating for me. And that's
Speaker 2: what some of this is. Like, I mean, I'll get
Speaker 2: the lyrics challenging to me.
Speaker 1: That word rivulet. I have to look it up.
Speaker 2: Rivulet. That was the one where I go, okay, I've
Speaker 2: got pretty much all of these other words Rivulet. I go,
Speaker 2: she got me, she got me? And then you it's
Speaker 2: revealed how not stupid. I say stupid with love because
Speaker 2: I'm stupid because I don't know rivulet, so stupid in
Speaker 2: that way things you don't know. I'm very shocked to
Speaker 2: find out how many people don't know, like soliloquy. I'm
Speaker 2: just like you, that's okay. We're all at different places
Speaker 2: in our lives. And I didn't know what rivulet was,
Speaker 2: and I'm sure there's to be someone that would be like, oh,
Speaker 2: you don't know what to rivule it, And I still
Speaker 2: don't because I didn't look it up. I just marked
Speaker 2: it too, so when you'll have to reveal that when
Speaker 2: we get to it. I think the imaging that first
Speaker 2: came out for Torture Poets, I was like I thought
Speaker 2: it was going to be I didn't know what to
Speaker 2: I guess I had zero expectations because I'd always get clowned,
Speaker 2: you know, like I don't you know. What my expectations
Speaker 2: were was that it's going to be my favorite album
Speaker 2: because it always is, yes, and that you know what
Speaker 2: else I expected. I would struggle with it at first,
Speaker 2: not struggle, but just be like like, it's a lot
Speaker 2: of like work memorizing this, and I'm not attached to
Speaker 2: these songs yet. I can feel it calming, and then
Speaker 2: it's like the beginning of a relationship, you know, where
Speaker 2: you're like I want to get out there and date.
Speaker 2: I'm so excited to like meet someone and like find
Speaker 2: that person, but I have to like meet them and
Speaker 2: have an awkward phase of like getting to know it,
Speaker 2: and then oh my god, you get you start to
Speaker 2: fall in love. And then right now I think is
Speaker 2: the sweet spot for most diehard Swifties. Three days, four
Speaker 2: days out of the album. You are now listening to
Speaker 2: certain songs on repeat. You are memorizing lyrics. They're coming naturally,
Speaker 2: you don't have to work for it. This is like
Speaker 2: the this is the Limerence stage, which I've talked about
Speaker 2: a lot on podcasts. This is the that buzzy I'm
Speaker 2: in love drug feeling of of the of the torture
Speaker 2: poets of a new album release. So thirty one songs, though,
Speaker 2: I was like, are you fucking I cannot believe we
Speaker 2: I'm so grateful. I was intimidated by it. But I
Speaker 2: read something on Reddit of someone complaining about that it's
Speaker 2: too many songs and the girl some I assume she
Speaker 2: was a girl. That's like, I guess sexism. But they said, so,
Speaker 2: just don't listen to the ones you don't like, Like,
Speaker 2: it's not like you. It's not a movie where you
Speaker 2: have to watch through a scene and fast forward. Just
Speaker 2: like pick the ones you like and like, don't you
Speaker 2: think there's maybe something here for everyone? And who cares?
Speaker 2: Like do you like her to keep songs vaulted for?
Speaker 2: Do you want to keep vaulted forever? I want to
Speaker 2: hear everything. I want to hear your voice, mama was.
Speaker 2: I want to hear her grocery lists. I want to
Speaker 2: hear anything she writes, so put it all out absolutely.
Speaker 1: Even when she posted that Fortnight's video, I watched it
Speaker 1: like one hundred times, like I just want to know
Speaker 1: everything she does.
Speaker 2: You mean the real so much?
Speaker 1: Yes, the real, the real.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. And then kissing her. I saw my
Speaker 2: cell phone case, which I bought because there was a
Speaker 2: I found out about her cell phone case ages ago.
Speaker 2: And this is before Ara's tour that she had this
Speaker 2: cell phone case. She still has it, and so do I.
Speaker 2: It was maybe before it was I think it was
Speaker 2: before Eras started. I got this case and and I
Speaker 2: saw it in the think I'm like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: she still has it too, Because when I was at Airas,
Speaker 2: I was filming her obviously with my phone, and I
Speaker 2: was like, oh my god, I wonder if because you know,
Speaker 2: when you see your own phone case, you're like like
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, maybe she sees it
Speaker 2: because when I was in the front row, but then
Speaker 2: she also was wearing a KU shirt and that and
Speaker 2: I went to Ku. She was in the plate where
Speaker 2: she's doing that. K. Yeah, so she's wearing a KU shirt.
Speaker 2: So that was major for KU and yes, so and
Speaker 2: then Travis kissing her, and then her just having so
Speaker 2: much fun and living so much life and usually very
Speaker 2: threatened by women who are like, have so many hobbies
Speaker 2: and are crafty and can bake and just look like
Speaker 2: that they have a full life, and I'm like, why
Speaker 2: can't I be like that. I don't feel that way
Speaker 2: with her. I'm just like, yes, you're superhuman.
Speaker 1: Because she's my friend, because she's my best friend, and
Speaker 1: I want everything good.
Speaker 2: To even want that for my best friends. I'm so
Speaker 2: I think be jealous, and not that I don't. I'm kidding.
Speaker 2: I want that for my best friends. I can get
Speaker 2: jealous of my best friends though, But Taylor, I'm just like,
Speaker 2: because I compare myself, but I don't really compare myself
Speaker 2: to her. I think people think I do, and sometimes
Speaker 2: maybe I can, because I'm just like, you know, it
Speaker 2: just frustrates me that I won't ever be as good
Speaker 2: as her, you know, like in the ways that I
Speaker 2: wish I was good. You know, I'm good in different ways,
Speaker 2: but overall, I just I'm so grateful that I like
Speaker 2: don't feel if I was a musician, I think I
Speaker 2: would maybe have a hard time listening to her because
Speaker 2: she's so pro like the way we feel about the
Speaker 2: way I feel about John Mulaney. Sometimes I'm like, I
Speaker 2: don't really feel like watching him because he's so good
Speaker 2: at el Chappelle that it's like it makes me go,
Speaker 2: what am I even doing?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know exactly what you mean. I have to
Speaker 1: stop watching comedy even sometimes live. I'm just like, I'm
Speaker 1: here to do my set. I'm doing the best I can.
Speaker 1: I worked all day on my jokes, you know, and
Speaker 1: whether and that's the thing with stand up, because we
Speaker 1: have to follow each other, so it's the comparison is
Speaker 1: right there and it's immediate. So I just leave. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope everyone's doing.
Speaker 2: One that's a really good idea. Yeah, yeah, I don't
Speaker 2: really I leave right away too, not for that, but
Speaker 2: sometimes when I do it, if I have a set
Speaker 2: that is is not great, I will leave because I
Speaker 2: don't want to hear the next person get them. Oh no,
Speaker 2: way can't.
Speaker 1: That's exactly what happened last night. Like I got heckled
Speaker 1: like five times and then the host did fun to common,
Speaker 1: Me did great, No different people in the audience. It
Speaker 1: was wild. It was the wildest experience.
Speaker 2: Are you performing in like oil Country and uh, Cleario?
Speaker 1: Well it's at a theater, so I read a theater
Speaker 1: would be nice, that's the thing. Yeah, I had never
Speaker 1: been to Like it was in Windsor, Ontario, and it's
Speaker 1: close to Detroit and there's this like grittiness. It's like
Speaker 1: a blue collar city. Yeah, and I don't it's maybe
Speaker 1: they don't.
Speaker 2: See a lot of comedy so they don't know not to.
Speaker 2: Or they were just really drunk. And I'm not saying
Speaker 2: that I think it was drunk, but they both.
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, it was both. There was a woman who
Speaker 1: was for sure drunk because I have a joke about
Speaker 1: how I'm on medication and she's like, you're medicated. Sing it?
Speaker 1: And I was like, what does that mean? Sing it?
Speaker 2: God? I hate when they're unintelligible. Yeah, you know where
Speaker 2: You're just like that didn't make sense. I can't even
Speaker 2: do anything with that? What does that mean? Like it's
Speaker 2: so distracting? Yeah, and you know what, but you can
Speaker 2: do it with a broken heart.
Speaker 1: I did. I did?
Speaker 2: You know you just like because your heart will be
Speaker 2: that song I love because you your heart can be
Speaker 2: breaking in so many different ways. Anya was like, I
Speaker 2: played that song for Anya and Matt and my friend
Speaker 2: Ari this weekend and I like sang it hard on
Speaker 2: the way home from doing you know, I did three
Speaker 2: shows this weekend. It was like first and Keegan, Illinois,
Speaker 2: then I flew to the next night, I was in
Speaker 2: Niagara Falls, New York, and then the next night I
Speaker 2: was in flew to Long Island and it was just
Speaker 2: like boom boom boom, and I was kind of like,
Speaker 2: oh tired, and I was doing it with a broken heart.
Speaker 2: And then I and then we were listening that song
Speaker 2: on the way home from the third show late at night.
Speaker 2: I have like a five am flight. I'm like, oh
Speaker 2: my god. And then I'm like I sang the song
Speaker 2: and then Annie afterwards, I was like, do you relate
Speaker 2: to that song? And I was like, oh, are you
Speaker 2: kidding me? And she was like, but you're not, like
Speaker 2: your heart's not you're not like going through heartbreak. I'm
Speaker 2: like no, but she's just talking about like anyone that
Speaker 2: has to get through anything when your heart is broken,
Speaker 2: Like my heart can be broken for the fact that
Speaker 2: I'm not getting a lot of sleep right now, or
Speaker 2: I'm overbooked, I feel lonely.
Speaker 1: I feel that's the thing that's performing. Like I used
Speaker 1: to have a day job and then comedy was my outlet.
Speaker 1: But when your art form becomes your job, it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter what's going on behind the scenes. You could be crying,
Speaker 1: you could be having a bad day, you could be groggy,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't matter because people paid and you're there
Speaker 1: to put on a show and that's what that is.
Speaker 2: But you're also there to be authentic. I think, for
Speaker 2: at least for if that's why I would like to
Speaker 2: be a pop star sometimes because I could just like
Speaker 2: become this shiny performer that just hits her mark, you know.
Speaker 2: But with comedy, for me, at least where I'm at,
Speaker 2: it's like I have to be fluid and I want
Speaker 2: to talk from a place of like authenticity, and it's
Speaker 2: kind of in the moment, and especially when I'm depressed,
Speaker 2: I can't I guess that's true. Like I could turn
Speaker 2: on a switch and just do the jokes the way
Speaker 2: that I wrote them and figure out how to find
Speaker 2: that style, but my brain doesn't work. Sometimes I can't
Speaker 2: do it with a broken heart, and sometimes my broken
Speaker 2: heart just spills out on the stage and then I
Speaker 2: get too honest about like life sucks right now. But
Speaker 2: I do avoid that more often. It just doesn't work
Speaker 2: because people can sense the sadness and they don't really
Speaker 2: want to you kind of like, if you want to
Speaker 2: like put some sadness into your stuff, I think it
Speaker 2: has to be a little bit performative because real sadness
Speaker 2: people are like, oh no, worried.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I hate it when they all after a joke,
Speaker 1: I'm like, no, you're.
Speaker 2: Not your god, oh oh, dear god. Well this this
Speaker 2: is interesting because we're talking about our relationship with the
Speaker 2: audience in the crowd and what we expect to from
Speaker 2: them and what they sometimes disappoint us in ways they
Speaker 2: disappoint us. And Taylor, for the first time ever, really
Speaker 2: addressed her fans in this album and can of she
Speaker 2: kind of came at us and I fucking love it.
Speaker 2: I'm here for it. And it's not because I'm like,
Speaker 2: I'm not a Hannah or a Sarah.
Speaker 1: What is it Sarah's and hannasy best.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not that, Like I think a lot of
Speaker 2: stuffies are telling themselves No, I'm not that, and there
Speaker 2: are a lot of parts of me that are not that.
Speaker 2: But I have mouthed off about her. I've literally been
Speaker 2: on on you know, file doing it on Miss Americana
Speaker 2: the documentary. I am mouthing off. I'm being a Hannah
Speaker 2: live on whatever BuzzFeed show. So I've been that in
Speaker 2: the past, and I try not to do that, and
Speaker 2: that's why I wanted to do this podcast and just
Speaker 2: do it all positive like, because that's all I really
Speaker 2: want to be anyway. I don't want to be critical.
Speaker 2: We get more album drops than any other fan base, Yes, sure,
Speaker 2: but those nights that they have and are so special.
Speaker 2: Where were you when you first listened?
Speaker 1: So I really hate to say this, and I want
Speaker 1: to Oh, I didn't.
Speaker 2: Mean to set you up for this, but you are.
Speaker 2: I made a TikTok about you.
Speaker 1: You did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it got posted. I haven't checked it,
Speaker 2: but it was like me, uh, struggling to say no
Speaker 2: to you when you said you had a link for
Speaker 2: a leak, Yeah, but I did say no. I turned
Speaker 2: it down, and really it wouldn't have changed anything in
Speaker 2: her life, but I just I wanted to experience it
Speaker 2: the way everyone was was doing it. But I was
Speaker 2: tempted to do it because I wasn't gonna be able
Speaker 2: to listen as soon as it came out because I
Speaker 2: was going to be on stage. So I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I deserve to listen to it early, but I didn't.
Speaker 2: Where were you when you first started listening? Like what
Speaker 2: you're setting in.
Speaker 1: My pajamas in my bed packing for this tour. I
Speaker 1: get a message from a comic. He's like, hey, I
Speaker 1: have a I know you're like by the book, but
Speaker 1: are you I have a leak if you're interested, And
Speaker 1: I said, yes, send it to me, put it in
Speaker 1: my veins. So he sent it to me and I
Speaker 1: literally I had to stop packing and I just sat
Speaker 1: there with my iPad listening. And then, because it's not
Speaker 1: like Spotify where it goes to each song, I have
Speaker 1: to manually go in and listen, and it's so frustrating
Speaker 1: because I don't have the lyrics. I'm trying to figure
Speaker 1: out what the lyrics say.
Speaker 2: Lead I mean, neither did anyone at first. I guess
Speaker 2: some of them started leaking because of the leak the
Speaker 2: lyrics beforehand, but they were it's hard to they took
Speaker 2: they were on Spotify and then they took them off.
Speaker 2: Did you notice that? No, I mean, at least for me,
Speaker 2: I cannot find the lyrics that they were on it
Speaker 2: for a day. I think it was on Saturday they
Speaker 2: were on it. I was on a treadmill. I was learning,
Speaker 2: but but Daddy, I love him. And then the next
Speaker 2: day I tried to pull up the lyrics and they
Speaker 2: were gone. Some of them were wrong, so I would
Speaker 2: hope that they would be gone to become right. Because
Speaker 2: of some of them, I was like, that's not what
Speaker 2: she's saying right there. But yeah, it's hard to listen
Speaker 2: without lyrics. So yeah, you like kind of set the
Speaker 2: tone for yourself. Did you listen to the whole Was
Speaker 2: all thirty one leaked early?
Speaker 1: No? Only the first only the album? It sounds, yeah,
Speaker 1: the first So I had no idea there was going
Speaker 1: to be thirty one any.
Speaker 2: Gee, good for you protecting that the second half? Yeah,
Speaker 2: so yeah, you woke up to I mean I had
Speaker 2: texted you I'm sure, you got many texts, but saying
Speaker 2: like it's a double album. And then you texted me
Speaker 2: in that morning and we're like, oh my god, I'm
Speaker 2: getting into it now.
Speaker 1: Yes, And I was trying so hard because I wanted
Speaker 1: you to enjoy the album for yourself, so I was
Speaker 1: trying not to give you any information, but I was
Speaker 1: dying for you to live.
Speaker 2: No, you gave me some and it was it felt
Speaker 2: really good. I forgot what you told me specifically, but
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 1: Like, will you asked me if there were any bops
Speaker 1: and I said, like, there's one bob mostly not bombs.
Speaker 2: Bops.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, bops, yes, no, no bomb.
Speaker 2: I thought you said bombs and I was like, did
Speaker 2: I ask that?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: No, no, yeah, And you told me. I forget what you
Speaker 2: told me, but I'm guessing my boy only breaks his
Speaker 2: favorite toys.
Speaker 1: No. The bop was I can do it with a
Speaker 1: broken heart because that's the more.
Speaker 2: That is the bo I mean, yeah, that's the boppyist
Speaker 2: one for sure. You're right, You're right. Yeah, I will
Speaker 2: argue that some of these are bops when they don't
Speaker 2: sound like it, like there's I was just talking to
Speaker 2: a swifty this weekend and we both agreed that is
Speaker 2: it over now is a bop that doesn't sound like
Speaker 2: it because it starts so slow. You know, it's like
Speaker 2: when the Fly has fun, it's just really soft, and
Speaker 2: then it's like, let's fast forward, and then it just
Speaker 2: like kicks in and it's like it's it's somewhere in
Speaker 2: between a boat, but it becomes like this. I don't know,
Speaker 2: I need a description for how I feel in my
Speaker 2: soul with some of these songs. How uplifting and like
Speaker 2: they like scoop me up, like I feel like I'm
Speaker 2: flying sometimes.
Speaker 1: These Vault tracks have been incredibly life changing.
Speaker 2: Like we'll do a podcast about the Vault like, okay,
Speaker 2: like nineteen eight nine Vault tracks, What a fucking gift?
Speaker 2: What a and if you know, and that's that's as
Speaker 2: much music as people get from their bands, if they're
Speaker 2: it's generous, you know, it's like a you know, she's
Speaker 2: given us these vult tracks. She's given us like fifteen
Speaker 2: fifteen to twenty new tracks a year. Yeah, oh wow,
Speaker 2: and they've been such bangers.
Speaker 1: All credible. Some of my favorite Vault tracks were from
Speaker 1: the Red album. I will say, I was like, how
Speaker 1: did you not?
Speaker 2: What are we talking when you say that, because I'm
Speaker 2: I'm I'm having a trouble recalling the Red Vault tracks.
Speaker 2: But oh, oh my god, I bet you think about
Speaker 2: me get the fuck out.
Speaker 1: Yes exactly, I bet that's song new.
Speaker 2: Yes, well nothing new, I mean, and she you know,
Speaker 2: definitely does like a little reprise of nothing new in
Speaker 2: this there's like echoes of nothing new in this album.
Speaker 2: I would love let's look.
Speaker 1: At echoes of past songs in this album.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because yes, that would come up. Okay, Oh, the
Speaker 2: ten minute version. I mean, obviously I don't even think
Speaker 2: of that as Vault track because it's so just now
Speaker 2: what the song is like.
Speaker 1: I love the first time. It's such a beautiful song.
Speaker 1: I know it's very like uppity and like the very
Speaker 1: first night. Yeah, oh, the very first night.
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't think I know that one song. I
Speaker 2: don't think I'm like locked in with that one.
Speaker 1: Oh, I love it. I know it's one of my
Speaker 1: favors from the Vault.
Speaker 2: I could Okay, I know the very first Night. Please.
Speaker 2: I just started playing and I was like, there's no
Speaker 2: way I don't know the song. I know it very well.
Speaker 2: That's a new that's a Vault track. Yes, that just
Speaker 2: came out because I feel like I've known the song forever.
Speaker 1: No, it's a volt track. Her version of Babe is
Speaker 1: a vulttra.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that I've loved both versions so much.
Speaker 2: And uh and also better Man, that was so exciting
Speaker 2: to get. I really like run. But I don't think
Speaker 2: a lot of people are crazy about that. But I
Speaker 2: mean message in a bottle like it? Message is like
Speaker 2: no one had heard Message in a Bottle before. That's
Speaker 2: not that seems crazy to me.
Speaker 1: No, No, we have not. We had never heard it.
Speaker 1: And I'll tell you better Man. I am so obsessed
Speaker 1: with that song. There's a YouTube video of her singing
Speaker 1: it acoustically at the cafe. Have you seen Do you
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 2: I haven't memory, I haven't memorized. I even have the
Speaker 2: old man who's playing next to her his motions memorized,
Speaker 2: where he goes like times kind of sings.
Speaker 1: I download.
Speaker 2: It's amazing the least, And yes, it's incredible podcast about her,
Speaker 2: our favorite live performances of hers that we watch on YouTube. Yes,
Speaker 2: you know, like that would be fun? That is that's
Speaker 2: a great.
Speaker 1: Red one, the red one on the boat.
Speaker 2: Oh in the living room with all the people who
Speaker 2: are like hearing her in.
Speaker 1: The laugh where she's on the boat in Paris. I
Speaker 1: don't know that you know what I'm talking about, no
Speaker 1: unless less ten babe, babe.
Speaker 2: Oh okay great. And I saw her live performance. I
Speaker 2: saw her do the nineteen eighty to nine rooftop performance.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've ever seen that. She does
Speaker 2: Welcome to New York on the rooftop. I was there.
Speaker 2: I could see my little ponytail because Chris, my boyfriend,
Speaker 2: produced it, and so and we were kind of broken up,
Speaker 2: but it was like we're thinking about getting back together.
Speaker 2: And he was like, hey, I'm doing this project. I
Speaker 2: think you might be interested. And I'm like, oh my god.
Speaker 2: I jumped out of bed. I was so depressed. I
Speaker 2: jumped out of bed and I just like got in
Speaker 2: a cab and went right there. I didn't even look cute,
Speaker 2: and I was. She saw me. I was. I'd met
Speaker 2: her on the Red Tour beforehand, but she's right there.
Speaker 2: I always forget about this interaction with her. But she
Speaker 2: was about to start where she's like walking through the
Speaker 2: village thunder music glow. You know, she's doing like and
Speaker 2: she walks and then she gets on stage. When she
Speaker 2: walks through the crowd, she was about to start walking
Speaker 2: and they took off her jacket and it was freezing.
Speaker 2: I mean, this was my winter in like it wasn't
Speaker 2: it was maybe it was, it wasn't like that hot
Speaker 2: or whatever. And then I looked at her and she
Speaker 2: was kind of like an, I go, uh, I go
Speaker 2: it's cold. I like mouthed that to her and she goes,
Speaker 2: it is. Yeah. So I carried that with me. I
Speaker 2: didn't remember who said what, but I definitely I don't
Speaker 2: think she was the first to initiate it. I just
Speaker 2: remember our interaction was it's cold, it is and I'm like, yes, okay,
Speaker 2: so let's start with the first single off the Torture
Speaker 2: Poets Department, the anthology we're gonna hope to get We're
Speaker 2: just gonna do. Let's just do the first songs. We're
Speaker 2: gonna do the first sixteen songs, the first release okay,
Speaker 2: the leak, and the first song Fortnite featuring post This.
Speaker 2: I love this for a single. It is. When it
Speaker 2: first came out, I was like, oh, it's a little
Speaker 2: bit slower than I'm like a single to be. But
Speaker 2: I trust her with her singles. I am a huge
Speaker 2: fan of me. I'm so glad that that was her single.
Speaker 2: I embraced it. It got me ready for Lover. I
Speaker 2: loved it so much. I still love that song. I'm
Speaker 2: just obsessed. I'm only just sad that she took out
Speaker 2: spelling is fun because I thought that was hilarious, which
Speaker 2: we have another spelling for is fun lyric to discuss
Speaker 2: that people are like she why did she say that?
Speaker 2: That's so weird? And they don't get that she's making
Speaker 2: She's in on the joke, idiots. Okay, we'll get to
Speaker 2: that later. But fortnite, I love this and it has
Speaker 2: grown on me substantially. It is probably in my top five.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 2: Really yeah, at this point, it's just so It's such
Speaker 2: a smooth, slick song, and it makes its starting to
Speaker 2: make me like drum up feelings in me that I
Speaker 2: don't even understand. I don't even know it's about, you know, like, uh,
Speaker 2: I haven't dug into the lyrics. Have you dug into
Speaker 2: it at all?
Speaker 1: Yes? I mean I whenever she collaborates with someone, I
Speaker 1: like to go into it more just because i'd like
Speaker 1: to see like I'd like to know what she was
Speaker 1: thinking why she asked that specific person to collaborate with
Speaker 1: her on the song. Oh interesting, Yeah, and because he's
Speaker 1: one of only two for this album, so I was like,
Speaker 1: I want to like no more and I have to
Speaker 1: be honest, it's a slow burn for me fortnight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, that's okay. There's gonna be those for this,
Speaker 2: especially this album. We all know as Swifties that like
Speaker 2: some songs don't resonate with us deeply until we're like
Speaker 2: ready for them to sink in, but that they are
Speaker 2: all capable of getting us in like a wild way
Speaker 2: when we suspect it. This one is going to get me.
Speaker 2: I think I'm just starting my love affair with it,
Speaker 2: like in terms of like it's the one I go
Speaker 2: to to repeat. I was a functioning alcoholic till nobody
Speaker 2: noticed my new aesthetic. I mean her saying that if
Speaker 2: she's you know, she's kind of playing a character in
Speaker 2: the song. She's talking about like my neighbor and your wife,
Speaker 2: like Taylor Switt doesn't have neighbors. Yeah, there's there's imagery
Speaker 2: in this that is not her life that I think
Speaker 2: is like kind of a folklore character thing. Because right
Speaker 2: it's like, yes, it gets too I haven't really gotten
Speaker 2: into this. Look, all my mornings are Monday, stuck in
Speaker 2: endless February. I took the miracle move on drug. The effects
Speaker 2: were temporary. I mean, I guess this is she's talking
Speaker 2: about her relationship that she jumped into out of her
Speaker 2: other relationship. I love you. Yeah.
Speaker 1: It kind of rids me of evermore where she was
Speaker 1: like stuck in November or like, I don't know. I
Speaker 1: just love how when she uses specific months to conjure
Speaker 1: up imagery because there's things we associate withevery like it's
Speaker 1: so cold, it's very depressing, and so she's just stuck
Speaker 1: in that on a Monday because of this guy.
Speaker 2: WHOA hold on, I'm sorry, I'm reading these lyrics and
Speaker 2: I'm starting to understand that I'm totally missing the mark
Speaker 2: on this. Are people not thinking that this is where
Speaker 2: it's dicey nor I don't want to be a Hannah
Speaker 2: and Sarah and discuss who the songs are about, so
Speaker 2: I'm not going to use names. I'm just gonna talk
Speaker 2: in as trying to be poetic about talking about poetry
Speaker 2: as I can. But okay, so the lyrics are you know.
Speaker 2: Uh this is so this is someone that she's taking
Speaker 2: a pill. She's taking a drug to get over, to
Speaker 2: get over the symptoms of something else. Is what I'm taking,
Speaker 2: this says, And this drug is going to be temper.
Speaker 2: The effects of the drug are temporary, and fortnite is
Speaker 2: two weeks, so in a fortnite, So for two weeks,
Speaker 2: it was like we were forever. We were gonna last
Speaker 2: run into you sometimes ask about the weather. Now you're
Speaker 2: in my backyard, turned into good neighbors. Now you're like
Speaker 2: kind of hanging in my scene. Uh you're like friends
Speaker 2: with my friends. That's we're neighbors. Your wife waters flowers,
Speaker 2: I want to kill her? Now, who knows what that is?
Speaker 2: Because I maybe that person moved on and she's already
Speaker 2: seeing it. And uh like, is she talking about what
Speaker 2: we're who we think we're she's talking about? And then
Speaker 2: she says, my husband is cheating. I want to kill him?
Speaker 2: Is that? Are people making much of that line and
Speaker 2: what she might be saying with that?
Speaker 1: I mean, I didn't even notice it until you pointed
Speaker 1: it out, to be honest.
Speaker 2: So if she if she is the character, and let's
Speaker 2: that's let's let's just say that sometimes she does that
Speaker 2: and these she speaks in metaphors. There's so this is
Speaker 2: this could be about her life and she's just saying
Speaker 2: good neighbors as like you would say that people you know,
Speaker 2: she's just But that is that stands out to me
Speaker 2: because I think that's the what the I think that's
Speaker 2: the album we thought we were getting with this, which
Speaker 2: is like I kept saying, it's gonna be answers to
Speaker 2: what happened in that relationship, which is none of my
Speaker 2: goddamn business. I want to repeat over and over. None
Speaker 2: of this is my business, and it's it's just fun
Speaker 2: to dissect. It's interesting because it's someone's personal life. I
Speaker 2: tend to share a lot of my personal life with
Speaker 2: the public, and as someone who puts themselves open to that,
Speaker 2: I appreciate when someone else does, and I like to
Speaker 2: reward it by being nosy and hand speculating and gossiping.
Speaker 1: But if I, if I may say something about that,
Speaker 1: like as fans, we're so invested in her music and
Speaker 1: so much of a reputation and Lover was about this,
Speaker 1: so for us it's like, yes, it's her personal life,
Speaker 1: but it's manifested itself in her art, and we would
Speaker 1: just like to know what happened, you know, from beginning
Speaker 1: to end.
Speaker 2: And when you consume art, even if it's a TV
Speaker 2: show or like a movie, there's a lot that's left
Speaker 2: off the table that you don't see that ends up
Speaker 2: in the final art piece. But it's appropriate to discuss
Speaker 2: what could have happened behind that closed door about that movie,
Speaker 2: you know, like they purposely leave out details in movies
Speaker 2: and things and you can speculate, like what, you know,
Speaker 2: what did Logan roy? Did he underline his name or
Speaker 2: cross it out? We'll never know, but something happened, and
Speaker 2: we could know because the narrator of succession made it
Speaker 2: up and he could tell us what that was, but
Speaker 2: he purposely left it out for us to speculate and
Speaker 2: to talk about it and discuss it. So in a
Speaker 2: similar way, I'm justifying discussing who these are about and
Speaker 2: what it could be. And honestly, I'm trying to apply
Speaker 2: it to my own life, like it helps me. If
Speaker 2: she's if I'm like, oh, she's talking about the fling
Speaker 2: she had to get over someone else, Okay, great, I
Speaker 2: know who that is in her life. I know who
Speaker 2: that person in her life. Kind of represents in my life.
Speaker 2: This is going to help me feel it in a
Speaker 2: different way. So I'm justifying being a little bit of
Speaker 2: a Sarah and Hannah right now.
Speaker 1: But I literally had a dream about my Maddie he
Speaker 1: Ley the night before the album came out, and it's
Speaker 1: only now making sense to me that, like, oh, this
Speaker 1: album is about not about Joe, It's about Maddie. And
Speaker 1: I just feel like, just because something is fleeting or
Speaker 1: with the first six weeks, does it mean it does
Speaker 1: it have a profound impact? Like, yes, I dated a
Speaker 1: guy for six weeks three years ago, but sometimes I
Speaker 1: still dream of him because it's like, you don't know
Speaker 1: how people will affect you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I can't believe anyone would ever begrudge her writing
Speaker 2: an entire thirty one album song if she wanted to
Speaker 2: about someone she had a weekend with. Because this is
Speaker 2: Miss Taylor Swift. Do not forget that she is able
Speaker 2: to uh distill her emotions, and not distill is the word.
Speaker 2: She's able. Her emotions are so complex that there's so
Speaker 2: many different things going on, and she's able to dissect
Speaker 2: her emotions in a way that we can't. So the
Speaker 2: feeling roller coaster, you go through a falling in love
Speaker 2: with one for a weekend or even having a tryst
Speaker 2: like could elicit thirty one songs. So and we got
Speaker 2: don't forget We got all too well out of her
Speaker 2: thing with Jake, which people say is like that's she's
Speaker 2: been like bitching up, but she's been crying about this
Speaker 2: for so long, So what I yeah, personally, I have
Speaker 2: some of the most intense love love affair moments were
Speaker 2: the shortest in my life, and they burned so bright,
Speaker 2: and they are I would say a thing that I
Speaker 2: think about more. I think about those relationships when I
Speaker 2: listen to Taylor's with more than I do my good
Speaker 2: relationships that were long longer. And that's why I think
Speaker 2: we didn't get the album we all thought we were
Speaker 2: gonna get in this because how did it end? She
Speaker 2: doesn't even know. She hasn't processed that yet. And you
Speaker 2: know what, the songs about the person that may have
Speaker 2: come after right after as a you know, as a
Speaker 2: response to it, are still about the main person, because
Speaker 2: that is she was. It was a drug she took
Speaker 2: because of the main person. So we are getting an
Speaker 2: album about Joe. We are like she's she's talking about
Speaker 2: the booze she consumed to help the heal the confusion
Speaker 2: and the disappointment of the Joe thing ending. So it
Speaker 2: is an album about him and or you know what,
Speaker 2: it's whatever. It's an album about so many things. But Fortnite,
Speaker 2: I think, is kicking off the overall theme that we
Speaker 2: returned to again again, which is this person, this this
Speaker 2: thing that she turned to to heal a broken heart.
Speaker 2: And we are also setting up she is broken hearted.
Speaker 1: And I like that. It's like I only touched you
Speaker 1: for a fortnite. She's just telling us, like, I only
Speaker 1: touch you for this amount of time. Fortnite is an
Speaker 1: English word, so it's very like, hmmm, yeah, explainating, yeah,
Speaker 1: what happened.
Speaker 2: She also foreshadows her viciousness in this album. We're leaning
Speaker 2: into the part of her that's like I want to
Speaker 2: kill her. I want to kill him that we're oh,
Speaker 2: where she's you know, Taylor Swift, she's killed herself before.
Speaker 2: Oh she's dead. I mean in vigilante shit. You start
Speaker 2: to get like she foreshadowed this, but she's she's in
Speaker 2: that vigilante shit mode. And it's good. It's it's really fun,
Speaker 2: and it's unexpected. It's like when she first started cussing,
Speaker 2: like there's a side of her that's emerged that we're like, oh,
Speaker 2: bad girl, naughty girl. Okay, let's go to Torture Poet's Department.
Speaker 2: This was a slow burn for me, but it is
Speaker 2: burning good, real good. Today is peak Tortured Poets Department.
Speaker 2: I think I avoided it because it was the title track.
Speaker 2: I don't know why I do I would do that,
Speaker 2: but I would say the first five songs of any
Speaker 2: album she releases are usually the ones I repeat the
Speaker 2: most because I'm like, I just want to go back,
Speaker 2: and so they get the most listens. And that was
Speaker 2: the one of the first five that I wasn't listening
Speaker 2: to on like Fortnite and Torture Poets were the ones
Speaker 2: that I was The following three I really couldn't stop doing.
Speaker 2: But today I got back into TPPD and uh TTPD
Speaker 2: and it's so good and it's also about the fling, right.
Speaker 1: Yes, I loved it. I was like, at first, I
Speaker 1: was like, why wouldn't you tell someone you're dating that
Speaker 1: their typewriter is like weird? But then I would put
Speaker 1: myself in her shoes, and I was like Yeah, if
Speaker 1: you're dating someone, you don't want to say anything that
Speaker 1: might hurt their feelings or like damage.
Speaker 2: But the smallest man who ever lived, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: you have to tiptoe around people's feelings like that.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. No, but that's a.
Speaker 2: Really interesting note to point out. Nor that she like
Speaker 2: your first instinct was like, why wouldn't you just say
Speaker 2: that I think some things I never say. And and
Speaker 2: by the way, she only gives us one of the
Speaker 2: things she thinks many things. I think, I think some things,
Speaker 2: not many. Some things I never say, like who uses typewriters? Anyway,
Speaker 2: she's just giving this an example of all the things
Speaker 2: she's thinking that she doesn't say. Yeah, she can't really
Speaker 2: be herself person.
Speaker 1: And she just got so personal. She's like she named
Speaker 1: her friends Lucy and Jack. Right, Lucy is like one
Speaker 1: of the girls from boy Genius and yeah, like it
Speaker 1: also is just showing how like this guy is a flang.
Speaker 1: He came out of the blue, but he is so
Speaker 1: entrenched in her friend group, like they all know him.
Speaker 1: And for if a guy told your friend that he
Speaker 1: would kill your himself if you left like that is
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I'm sorry if that's unhealthy, but it's like
Speaker 1: just the most reassuring thing ever in a relationship.
Speaker 2: Like I'm sorry, yeah you, I mean you got you.
Speaker 2: You relate to this. I don't. I don't relate to that.
Speaker 2: I do know that this maybe I do. I mean, like, yes,
Speaker 2: you know. What I relate to is feeling some way
Speaker 2: about someone and then feeling it this have finding out
Speaker 2: they feel the same way back, like she says, she
Speaker 2: feels it too, you know, she said, she and getting
Speaker 2: that validation that this crazy thing you're thinking isn't crazy.
Speaker 2: And she gets kind of crazy for him. I mean
Speaker 2: she is, we get it to it, but she's imagining
Speaker 2: him writing mine on her upper side, give me, give me,
Speaker 2: like like I can't even handle it. It's so she is.
Speaker 2: She's in the psych word, but it's a good it's
Speaker 2: a good place to be. Like she is, she qualifies
Speaker 2: as someone who's like and I'm saying, this is someone
Speaker 2: who has these kinds of thoughts to really dark thoughts,
Speaker 2: really sexually deviant. And that's not that sexually devian, but
Speaker 2: like writing mind, like owning someone's leg is kind of
Speaker 2: a hot like almost the.
Speaker 1: Upper very like sexual area. The upper thigh is a
Speaker 1: very like intimate area.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, and the way she says upper thought, like okay,
Speaker 2: we'll get to that later. Okay, So who's gonna hold
Speaker 2: you like me? And who's gonna know you if not me?
Speaker 2: And then she laughed at his face when he said
Speaker 2: she said, you're not Dylan Thomas, I'm not Patty Smith.
Speaker 2: This ain't that, Chelsea. I'll tell we're modern idiots.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I love that you smoked the n eight seven bars
Speaker 2: of chocolate. We declared Charlie Pooth should be a bigger artist.
Speaker 2: I scratched her head. You fall asleep like a tattooed
Speaker 2: golden retriever, but you awaken with dread and pounding nails
Speaker 2: in your head. But I've read this one. You where
Speaker 2: you come undone? I chose the cyclone with you. Okay,
Speaker 2: so she's already read this one.
Speaker 1: She knows what she signed up for, like she's worn
Speaker 1: him for.
Speaker 2: It's history here, Yeah, there's history here. And then uh,
Speaker 2: I love the way she says, no, fucking buddy, woof,
Speaker 2: that's a good drop of fucking Yeah. Yeah, this one's
Speaker 2: really good and fun and it's really grown on me
Speaker 2: and I love it and it's our worked for by
Speaker 2: my account, we're two out of two on songs about
Speaker 2: the person we didn't think we'd get an album written about.
Speaker 2: And now we're gonna go three for three because here
Speaker 2: comes My Boy Only Breaks his Favorite Toys, which is
Speaker 2: my second favorite song on the album right now. Really
Speaker 2: it is, Oh my god, I'm kidding in my face
Speaker 2: thinking about the song.
Speaker 1: What no, wait your f okay, No, we still didn't
Speaker 1: get to your favorite one, yere.
Speaker 2: My favorite I think people know, but I'm gonna save
Speaker 2: it for when we get to it. Okay, My Boy
Speaker 2: Only Breaks his Favorite Toys was an instant one for
Speaker 2: me where I heard it and I was like, I
Speaker 2: love the oh oh oh oh. I loved that. I
Speaker 2: was like, oh, that's gonna be fun to saying. I
Speaker 2: think I declared on the Instagram Live that I watched
Speaker 2: with a bunch of of these that it would be
Speaker 2: I would be doing this one at karaoke, and you
Speaker 2: know I will. This one is great. I love it
Speaker 2: so much. The word rivulets do we have a definition
Speaker 2: for that? Did you look it up?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: You said you did. Rivulets descend my plastic smile. I'm
Speaker 2: guessing it's.
Speaker 1: Like a small stream of water a very small stream.
Speaker 2: Yeah, she's crying. The dolls crying. So she already said.
Speaker 2: We found out on her serious XM thing that she
Speaker 2: wrote the song about. Uh, when someone like being a toy,
Speaker 2: story type toy that gets like being up and then
Speaker 2: it kind of is in denial of why it's being
Speaker 2: beaten up and it kind of tells itself it's because
Speaker 2: I'm its favorite. Is that what you got from that?
Speaker 1: Yes? I basically got that, like I'm his favorite, like
Speaker 1: I you should have seen him. You should have seen
Speaker 1: him when he first got me, Like I'm number.
Speaker 2: One, there's no question she is.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm his favorite because I could have played
Speaker 1: for keeps this time because I got because there was
Speaker 1: I knew too much. We all know a guy in
Speaker 1: our life where he breaks up because things get real
Speaker 1: right because he can see the fo because.
Speaker 2: They say to yes, Yes, I've always joked that I
Speaker 2: just like, you know, I I used to joke that
Speaker 2: when I get rejected, I'd always say the guy was scared,
Speaker 2: you know, because I used to say that, you know,
Speaker 2: like he was scared he like truly loved me and
Speaker 2: he couldn't handle it. And I'm like he loved me
Speaker 2: so much. He like he's scared. He had to run,
Speaker 2: you know, he he ran so far. He's engaged to
Speaker 2: someone else now, he was so scared of commitment. He's
Speaker 2: just like, you know, it's it's but I here's the thing.
Speaker 2: I trust Taylor and I know. I know she's so
Speaker 2: confident that this person like loved her. And I've been
Speaker 2: I've been this where I'm like, you fucking idioto have
Speaker 2: fun the rest of your life, always knowing I'm the
Speaker 2: one that got away, always knowing I knew you better
Speaker 2: than anyone else. You'll always know that you could have
Speaker 2: had me and you weren't man enough to fucking deal
Speaker 2: like to have me, and you could have and you
Speaker 2: will always regret it. You will always feel like you
Speaker 2: didn't really just succeed as much as you could in
Speaker 2: life because you were scared. Like I've told myself that,
Speaker 2: I staunchly believe that about some people in my life.
Speaker 2: I'm glad it didn't work out because it would have
Speaker 2: been a nightmare it would have ended. But like I
Speaker 2: love that they will always feel at least I will
Speaker 2: think they always feel that way.
Speaker 1: So and there's times where the guy like knows you're incredible,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't want to date someone incredible. He wants
Speaker 1: to date someone where he's the star. He's the incredible person, right,
Speaker 1: Like someone who feels safe or like is not going
Speaker 1: to leave him.
Speaker 2: So I trust her though I think this guy was
Speaker 2: absolutely obsessed with her, and I think she was and
Speaker 2: I think she was absolutely obsessed with him and I
Speaker 2: and and you know, you can move on in life,
Speaker 2: but like I don't. I don't think it takes any
Speaker 2: thing away from her current relationship to say that she
Speaker 2: like had some really unique, hot, loving feelings for this person.
Speaker 1: Of course he saw her, ever, so he smashed it up.
Speaker 1: Like that's it.
Speaker 2: Let me just say that people are like someone I
Speaker 2: had heard was like, I hope Travis has a thick skin,
Speaker 2: like the way she talks about some you know these guys,
Speaker 2: like can you handle it? Travis is fine. She took
Speaker 2: care of Travis in this album. We will get to it.
Speaker 2: But Travis is a confident, secure man. That's why she's
Speaker 2: finally that's why she's with him. Like he he's won
Speaker 2: three super Bowls, he is a star. He is six
Speaker 2: foot four, He is dating the most. He just won
Speaker 2: a super Bowl. He's dating a princess. He's not gonna
Speaker 2: get insecure about this, and that's why he got hers,
Speaker 2: because he's not insecure because these things are over, they're
Speaker 2: in the past. So she can write all day long
Speaker 2: about these guys, and I bet you Travis isn't gonna
Speaker 2: give a fuck and he's gonna bop out to them
Speaker 2: just like we are. That would be my guess, because
Speaker 2: he's secure in his relationship, which he should be, because
Speaker 2: Taylor doesn't fuck around and we know how she feels
Speaker 2: about him too, and we'll get to that. Okay, next
Speaker 2: up down bad. Okay, we're going four for four. If
Speaker 2: here's word of four so far about I think the
Speaker 2: person we didn't think this would be about. This is
Speaker 2: what she says about getting abducted by aliens? Did you
Speaker 2: really beat me up just to do experiments on? Oh
Speaker 2: my god? Am I thinking about anal when she said
Speaker 2: that a little bit? Is that mostly on me? Yep?
Speaker 2: Yeah it is? Okay, tell me I was the chosen one,
Speaker 2: showed me that this world is bigger than us, then
Speaker 2: set me back where I came from. I love this song.
Speaker 2: I love the verse, I love the chorus. I love
Speaker 2: that we go from space to crying at the gym,
Speaker 2: and I love that. We got a little gem snapshot
Speaker 2: of her in that reel where she looked so fucking good.
Speaker 2: I screenshoted her doing that like back, like her glute workout,
Speaker 2: and I was like, on her diankle, Oh my god,
Speaker 2: she is, She's perfect. She has a perfect body. I
Speaker 2: even send it to Kirsten, my best friend who's a
Speaker 2: plate's instructor, and she was like, she has a perfect body,
Speaker 2: and I was like, yes, she does, thank you. This
Speaker 2: is that's my girl. Anya with me when I saw
Speaker 2: when it reel came out, and I was like, look
Speaker 2: at her body and I noticed, like I shouldn't even
Speaker 2: it could be at its just body's perfect at any size,
Speaker 2: at any shape. But I really was like, I'm so,
Speaker 2: she just looks so good. And Annie's just like, okay, crazy,
Speaker 2: but she's very sweet and supportive of my swiftiness, even
Speaker 2: though she definitely is like calm down, girl. But I
Speaker 2: like this song what about You.
Speaker 1: It's again. This one was a slow burn for me.
Speaker 1: I like it a lot more now. I think for
Speaker 1: me when I can get wrap my head around the
Speaker 1: melody of a song. And because this album has every
Speaker 1: song has like kind of similar rhythms as opposed to
Speaker 1: other albums where each song is very different. It just
Speaker 1: took me a while, but yes, I love this song.
Speaker 2: I thought this song stood out for me as way
Speaker 2: sounding different than the rest of the album. But that,
Speaker 2: you know that, I think is really subjective because some
Speaker 2: people are like, it all sounds the same. My argument
Speaker 2: to that, and I'm not saying you're saying that, But
Speaker 2: when people say that, I'm like, yeah, she's it's all
Speaker 2: written by the same so yeah, like and that's and
Speaker 2: if they don't sound the same, dare if she ever
Speaker 2: makes an album where everything sounds different, they say it's
Speaker 2: not cohesive. It's like her whole thing about like, if
Speaker 2: you have an ass, you won't you if you want
Speaker 2: to be thin, you won't have an ass. If you
Speaker 2: want an ass, you're not. You're gonna have a tummy.
Speaker 2: You can't fucking win. So she makes an album that
Speaker 2: sounds totally different, has a lot of different sonic sounds,
Speaker 2: which I think is redundant. Then people criticize her for
Speaker 2: being like she's all over the place, it's not a
Speaker 2: cohesive album. And now this all sounds kind of the same.
Speaker 2: Now you're complaining, like, yeah, it's just sound the same.
Speaker 2: She's going through something and it doesn't and it doesn't
Speaker 2: sound the same. Like I feel like for me, every album,
Speaker 2: all the songs kind of blend into each other and
Speaker 2: then they start to have personalities and you're like, oh
Speaker 2: my god. It's like when puppies are born, they all
Speaker 2: kind of are like slow and like and they like
Speaker 2: if you're picking out a puppy from a litter, you'd
Speaker 2: be like, I don't know which one. It's kind of
Speaker 2: a gamble. Who knows what these are gonna turn into
Speaker 2: for me, you know, in terms of, uh, the personality,
Speaker 2: and then that starts to emerge slowly. So that's how
Speaker 2: I feel about that, right, Okay.
Speaker 1: Also, just like the visual of her crying at the gym,
Speaker 1: it's just so relatable.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so relatable. And you know she's working out alone
Speaker 2: because she can't go to a public gym, I mean
Speaker 2: not alone, but she's with her friends. So it's like,
Speaker 2: because I can't cry at the gym in most gyms
Speaker 2: because I'm going to well, no, because I'm in hotel gym,
Speaker 2: so I'm kind of alone a lot too. Okay, I
Speaker 2: should relate to that more. But I don't often cry
Speaker 2: at the gym. I cried at pilates and my instructor
Speaker 2: has to, like, you know, pretend like she's not saying
Speaker 2: it even though my eyes are watering up. But yeah,
Speaker 2: that's very, very relatable. I want to say the lyric
Speaker 2: down bad waking up in Blood. It reminds me of
Speaker 2: like when you start your period in the middle of
Speaker 2: the night. Oh yeah, and also there's it kind of
Speaker 2: makes me think of anal too. Okay, let's keep going.
Speaker 2: So So Long London is next, and we have our
Speaker 2: first departure from the other person that beamed her up
Speaker 2: and dropped her back down and she kind of wants
Speaker 2: to go back. Yeah, that's what that song was about.
Speaker 2: You get picked up, you get you do, they do
Speaker 2: experiments on you, and they kind of make you their own,
Speaker 2: and you kind of like it because you're not in
Speaker 2: your life and you're abducted and then they put you
Speaker 2: back and you're just like where did you go? And
Speaker 2: you're kind of feeling empty and sad. So Long London
Speaker 2: we all were really excited about this one because we're like, okay, well,
Speaker 2: we're definitely getting some answers to what happened or like
Speaker 2: some insight on that did this? Did this pull through
Speaker 2: for you? Like what do you get out of the song?
Speaker 1: Okay, So this song I absolutely loved and it's so
Speaker 1: lyrically dense. It was the first time where it was
Speaker 1: in the album. Very was like quickquick, quick, quick, quick,
Speaker 1: Like what did she say? What did she say? What
Speaker 1: does she say? I think that I think I texted
Speaker 1: you this Renegade is about Joe, which we didn't know
Speaker 1: at the time about this person. And there because she's like,
Speaker 1: I'd carry you up my street and make me, make
Speaker 1: me your future history and renegade and then here she says,
Speaker 1: my spine split from carrying us up the hill. So
Speaker 1: I just felt like that was an.
Speaker 2: Extension of renegadreet make me your future history. It's time.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's really good. I forgot that. That's
Speaker 2: really a good connection.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just the imagery of her.
Speaker 2: Because I didn't know who I thought Renegade was about.
Speaker 2: I new who I thought it was about my own life,
Speaker 2: literally every man I've ever dealt with. But it really
Speaker 2: is one of those songs that can encompass a lot
Speaker 2: of different levels of rejection in a relationship. Or like disappointment.
Speaker 1: But after she put out a long story short on evermore,
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, she's in a secure relationship. It's
Speaker 1: rock solid. This could not be about him. But now
Speaker 1: that after and it's just I think that all the
Speaker 1: answers are here, like, yeah, maybe it is juicy, yeah,
Speaker 1: but it's the truth. It's like someone was sad and depressed.
Speaker 1: They drifted apart. She just couldn't keep trying anymore.
Speaker 2: Like and I think tolerate it might be this might
Speaker 2: be giving tolerated a little bit too. Yeah, like we
Speaker 2: might be getting some insight into even as far backs
Speaker 2: tolerate it, which you know, I always wondered how about
Speaker 2: was written about? But I'm sure there's there's information on
Speaker 2: that out there, but I have an invest But yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's giving sweet Nothing to Me, which I always
Speaker 2: thought was a breakup song because it's just like all
Speaker 2: your like the word nothing isn't it And people forget
Speaker 2: that they go like, oh, the sweet Nothing's But it's
Speaker 2: like the word nothing is kind of hidden in that song,
Speaker 2: like you're giving me nothing, and that's kind of what
Speaker 2: it feels like. It's like, how did this end? I
Speaker 2: don't even know you're kind of giving up. And this
Speaker 2: is definitely the extension of you're losing me, you know,
Speaker 2: like you're just yeah, and you say I abandoned the ship,
Speaker 2: but I was going down with it. I don't know
Speaker 2: what to make up that one. Like, let's think of
Speaker 2: a person abandoning the ship. Yeah, but you didn't abandon
Speaker 2: the relationship.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: I was like in it and like I was either
Speaker 2: gonna die in it or I have to get out,
Speaker 2: But I was did she go down? I was going
Speaker 2: down with it. I just don't get what it means
Speaker 2: to say I was going down with it like you.
Speaker 2: But you did abandon it eventually, But she was.
Speaker 1: Like, it's the Titanic. I'm sinking. If I don't get off,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna die. Like I can't live like this.
Speaker 2: That's what the color is got to turn to her face,
Speaker 2: which is from me. My face was gray. You wouldn't
Speaker 2: admit that we were sick. I mean, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of different imagery here. That's the same. Okay, next up.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I just want to say I died at the
Speaker 1: altar waiting you swear you love me, But where was
Speaker 1: the clues? I died on the altar? Waiting for the
Speaker 1: proof that one killed me Thos, and then you start
Speaker 1: to the gods of your bluest days, like.
Speaker 2: That blue all blue, with all Joe painted the paint
Speaker 2: of the walls blue. There's a lot of you know, wait,
Speaker 2: you swore that you loved me, but where were the clues?
Speaker 2: I died on the altar, waiting waiting for the I
Speaker 2: like how she goes waiting for the proof. That's like
Speaker 2: she says such interesting ways of doing melodies.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, the rhythm and cadence of that of that
Speaker 1: of the verses are incredible. And I love also how
Speaker 1: she was how the beginning is like so long London,
Speaker 1: and then in one part just like I waited for
Speaker 1: so long.
Speaker 2: Yes, I freaked out when I heard that. I was
Speaker 2: just like, you fu genius, you mastermind. Yeah, that song.
Speaker 2: I'm looking at these lyrics. It's it's it's great, it's
Speaker 2: so good. It's gonna go down as one of the
Speaker 2: best and most like And when she busts that thing
Speaker 2: out at aras if she does theatrically what she wants
Speaker 2: to do with that song, we will all come around.
Speaker 2: Like I felt the way about My tears Ricochet. It
Speaker 2: never landed for me in the way that I needed
Speaker 2: it to. I just maybe hadn't given it the time.
Speaker 2: And then eras it's my favor it's one of my
Speaker 2: favorite songs. Same to tolerate it. Like the way she
Speaker 2: sold it theatrically, I was just like, oh, I get
Speaker 2: what she's saying, and I think this one will be
Speaker 2: very beautiful theatrically. Okay, my favorite song on the album.
Speaker 2: I'm declaring it nothing will ever even touch it because
Speaker 2: this one is like one of my favorite songs of
Speaker 2: all time. I don't want to say never touch it
Speaker 2: because there's other things that definitely touch it. But Daddy,
Speaker 2: I love him. Track six I and for you, you're saying,
Speaker 2: it's I don't want to call you out. This for
Speaker 2: you has been a skip, Yes, I'm sorry, an initial skip,
Speaker 2: which we all have, and even Taylor Swift has skips
Speaker 2: on albums, So that's not saying anything bad. I want
Speaker 2: if Taylor you're listening, by some chance, love that that
Speaker 2: does not mean anything, because, as we know, any any
Speaker 2: skip that you initially have is just whatever you're feeling
Speaker 2: in that moment. It's not you're not ready for that
Speaker 2: song yet. Like we can't handle it. It's not because
Speaker 2: it's not a good song. It's because we aren't. We aren't.
Speaker 2: We can't hear that frequency yet. That's at least what
Speaker 2: I would want to know if I were Taylor listening
Speaker 2: to this and be like, oh, do I have a
Speaker 2: skip bitch, And I'd be like, yeah, But that doesn't
Speaker 2: mean it's You're always spitting truth and the most beautiful stuff.
Speaker 2: So I there's a part of me that's like, if
Speaker 2: she hears this, I just need her to know that. Okay,
Speaker 2: But this song, I love it so much. It is
Speaker 2: just the way it just opens up and you can
Speaker 2: you can feel her running in that unbuttoned dress. And
Speaker 2: I oftentimes, like I've dated men in the past where
Speaker 2: my mom has been like Nikki, he is going to
Speaker 2: ask you to marry Ane and you're gonna say yes.
Speaker 2: I just know it. Like she thinks I'm kind of
Speaker 2: like not. She thinks I'm just like so dumb and
Speaker 2: like like just uh digmatized. I guess she doesn't use
Speaker 2: that word, but I guess she just thinks that, like
Speaker 2: he has got you wrapped around his finger. You're gonna
Speaker 2: marry him? You are? You better be careful. She's never
Speaker 2: talking about like pregnancy, because she knows that I would.
Speaker 2: I don't want to do that, even with someone I
Speaker 2: want to be with forever. But she's like, if he proposes,
Speaker 2: you're gonna say yet, Like she's always said that about
Speaker 2: these guys that I updated in the past that she
Speaker 2: was worried about. And I'm like, Mom, I would never
Speaker 2: marry this guy. What are you saying? Like, don't you
Speaker 2: think I'm in control of what I'm doing. I'm having
Speaker 2: a little fun. I'm just I don't want to get
Speaker 2: married yet, you know, like trust me. And so I
Speaker 2: felt like when her saying like, you know I'm having
Speaker 2: his baby? No I'm not, but you should see your faces.
Speaker 2: I've done that to my mom so much, not in
Speaker 2: that exact way, but just like saying something that sounds
Speaker 2: like really like threatening, like my mom's biggest fear about
Speaker 2: this person I'm dating, like being locked in forever and
Speaker 2: then being like, ah, just kidding, yeah, right, And that's
Speaker 2: what she's saying to us, guy, chill out about the
Speaker 2: Maddie thing. And I am desperately looking for it. But
Speaker 2: I fucking called this shit because I did a podcast
Speaker 2: that's two Swift two Swifty besties have alerted me to
Speaker 2: me being the one to say to that Taylor's she
Speaker 2: was there, Like one said that Taylor Swift hays she
Speaker 2: needs to know she has a friend in you because
Speaker 2: you said leave her alone about the Maddie stuff and
Speaker 2: that let her have fun. She's having fun, and like
Speaker 2: it's none of your business and she owes you nothing.
Speaker 2: I said that over and over it she owes us
Speaker 2: literally nothing, So don't get a fucking attitude about it.
Speaker 2: You don't even know her, you don't know what's going on,
Speaker 2: and shut up, Like, let her do what she wants.
Speaker 2: She could date with whoever she wants, and she's having fun.
Speaker 2: You're just jealous. I was just like so adamant that
Speaker 2: all these bitches were just jealous that she's having fun
Speaker 2: and she's dating someone a little bit like wrong, which
Speaker 2: we all want to do and we all want to
Speaker 2: we all want to date a guy who makes us
Speaker 2: go but daddy, I love him like that's a bad boy.
Speaker 2: It's fun. So anyway, I want to say that I did.
Speaker 2: I was not a Hannah and a Sarah in this scenario.
Speaker 2: I am in many other ways, but and I'm so
Speaker 2: sorry to all have Sarah's and Hannah's. I know some
Speaker 2: of you I've talked to on DMS and you're like,
Speaker 2: oh no, she's like made my name personified with this thing,
Speaker 2: and it's like no, I would just actually if it
Speaker 2: said Nicky's, I would actually feel like that was a
Speaker 2: call out. So I am glad it's not my name.
Speaker 2: And I'm sorry to Sarah's and Hannah's, but you know,
Speaker 2: you've had it too good for too long. And congrats
Speaker 2: to all the girls who are Hannah without an age
Speaker 2: or Sarah without an age, because that's not that's not
Speaker 2: the words that she.
Speaker 1: Is not you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's not you. And I love that she said
Speaker 2: they try to save you because they hate you, like
Speaker 2: some of her fans hate her, and she realizes that
Speaker 2: and that is like big, that's a crazy realization to have,
Speaker 2: and they do and they want to cage her, which
Speaker 2: we get back to later. There's an imagery of cage.
Speaker 2: All right, we're back. I felt rather vindicated by but Daddy.
Speaker 2: I love him. But I also it really resonated with
Speaker 2: me on a personal level. I think just musically, it's gorgeous.
Speaker 2: It builds so much when you think it's done, it
Speaker 2: starts over and uh, and then it gives you this,
Speaker 2: It gives you the best bridge of the whole album.
Speaker 2: I think, uh I or just like it's not even
Speaker 2: there's like eight bridges in the song. This song is
Speaker 2: so long, it's almost like all too well ten minute
Speaker 2: where it's just like it has so many different parts
Speaker 2: that I don't I can't even recognize what's the chorus
Speaker 2: and what's the verse, like it's it's all over the place.
Speaker 2: But I love I love getting lost in our songs
Speaker 2: like this. But it also and this was not like
Speaker 2: a good job to cracking the code that the last
Speaker 2: verse is about Travis, but of course it is. Of
Speaker 2: course it is. Who would think that it's still the
Speaker 2: same guy. Okay, so let's let's break it down. So
Speaker 2: the first part is talking about the person that she's
Speaker 2: talked about for four now out of now five out
Speaker 2: of the first seven songs is number.
Speaker 1: Seven, says no, this is track six six.
Speaker 2: Six, Okay, so sorry, five out of fight up that
Speaker 2: of six tracks. Yes, besides, so long London have been
Speaker 2: about this person until the very end of this, and
Speaker 2: we get her first. We're our first thing about uh, Travis.
Speaker 2: So at the very end, she goes, uh, there's a
Speaker 2: lot of people in this town that I bestow upon
Speaker 2: my face as smiles. Uh. Scandal does funny things to pride,
Speaker 2: but brings lovers closer. Okay, So all the fucking scandal
Speaker 2: around her relationship, guess what it did. It made their
Speaker 2: bond stronger. So good job doing that, everyone. Uh. They
Speaker 2: you wanted to do the opposite by discouraging or from
Speaker 2: doing it, but it actually brought them closer together because
Speaker 2: they were being judged so much, which you know, Uh,
Speaker 2: of course that happens, but we don't think it would
Speaker 2: h When we came back, the heat died down, We
Speaker 2: went to my parents and they came around, so okay,
Speaker 2: so they kind of separated a little bit, then they
Speaker 2: came back together, and then by the time all the
Speaker 2: speculation and the massive attention of around it died down,
Speaker 2: she went to her parents. Her parents were like, actually,
Speaker 2: we really like him, and then all the wine moms
Speaker 2: were still not convinced. But you know what, it doesn't
Speaker 2: even matter because it's already over. It's already over, but
Speaker 2: fuck them, it's over. And so that's she says. She
Speaker 2: literally it's over. So of course the next part is
Speaker 2: about someone different. So now she literally says, now I'm dressing. Now, Okay,
Speaker 2: we're now. So I don't understand why people were so
Speaker 2: amazed that they figured out the crack, the code that
Speaker 2: she's talking about Travis. Now now I'm dancing in my
Speaker 2: dress in the sun. And even my daddy just loves him.
Speaker 2: We know her dad loves Travis. I'm his lady. And
Speaker 2: oh my god, you should see your faces. Look at
Speaker 2: your faces. Now, you thought you thought I was gonna
Speaker 2: end up with that guy, and you're so worried. And
Speaker 2: when I when it looked like I was maybe gonna
Speaker 2: marry him, you guys were so shocked. You look at
Speaker 2: your dumb faces. Then now look at your faces. That
Speaker 2: guy you were worried about, he's so long gone. And
Speaker 2: now I'm with the most desirable person imaginable. I'm America's
Speaker 2: sweetheart with America's other sweetheart, and we were on the
Speaker 2: football field kissing. Look at your fucking faces. Was I
Speaker 2: a mastermind and in control of my life the whole time? Yes?
Speaker 2: Did I maybe not know it at times? Yes? But
Speaker 2: did you have any say? Does your say have any
Speaker 2: Did it affect why I decided to leave or go. No,
Speaker 2: it didn't. I was gonna be okay the whole time.
Speaker 2: Stop your meddling. And now look at you, you all
Speaker 2: eat crow motherfuckers, because you were judging my judgment. You
Speaker 2: know which I think could be a tailor swift lyric.
Speaker 2: You were judging my judgment, and my judgment is spot
Speaker 2: on because look who I'm with. Now, Look who I'm with.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 2: Know everyone, even the biggest naysayers and the saboteurs and
Speaker 2: the town halls, are all agreeing that this is just
Speaker 2: a perfect partnership. Everyone's rooting for Travis and Taylor. And
Speaker 2: boy did she turn someone that no one was rooting
Speaker 2: for into someone that everyone is. And guess what, you
Speaker 2: can't come to the wedding. You're not invited because you
Speaker 2: didn't trust me before. You're not a real friend. And no,
Speaker 2: you can't come to my wedding. Get out of it.
Speaker 2: You're not You're not gonna be invited. Her telling us
Speaker 2: we can't come to the wedding bold and I like it.
Speaker 2: I like it. I shouldn't be at your I should
Speaker 2: be at your wedding because I believed in you all along.
Speaker 2: But of course I don't feel entitled to go to
Speaker 2: your wedding, and there are some things that now you
Speaker 2: don't get to. You don't get to. Now, just celebrate,
Speaker 2: be on this parade, float with me of life, like yeah,
Speaker 2: you you doubt to me before you judge me when
Speaker 2: and you only judge me because you wanted to cage me,
Speaker 2: and you're probably gonna end up caging me again. So
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do this. This relationship will probably be judged
Speaker 2: in some way as well, which it has been, you know,
Speaker 2: like she can't trust.
Speaker 1: Us, I feel you Love Story walked so but Daddy,
Speaker 1: I love him could run.
Speaker 2: That's what people are saying. And I didn't make the connection,
Speaker 2: and but it's undoubtedly there right, Like but daddy, my
Speaker 2: dad is you know, she's.
Speaker 1: It's such a more mature version of it, Like Love
Speaker 1: Story feels like the literal teenage version of like you're
Speaker 1: not going to let me datum what? So I'm grounded
Speaker 1: And this one's like I'm having his.
Speaker 2: Child like yes, oh yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it still feels youthful.
Speaker 2: To me in some ways of like the but daddy,
Speaker 2: I love him, because it's such a thing you say
Speaker 2: if you're young, Like there's a lot of homages to
Speaker 2: just teenage angst in this like young hormonal teenage girl angst.
Speaker 1: I also think it's like reflective of relationships in general,
Speaker 1: where you, regardless of your age, do you need to
Speaker 1: date the guy. You can't listen to other people who
Speaker 1: tell you you can't date him, You need to go
Speaker 1: through yourself.
Speaker 2: It never works, It just makes you want them more.
Speaker 1: Yes.
Speaker 2: I like how she calls him me and my wild
Speaker 2: boy and all this wild joy because you look at
Speaker 2: her and Travis, and it is he's a wild boy.
Speaker 2: And look at that he is such wild joy, such
Speaker 2: wild joy around him. He seems like such a happy person. Yes,
Speaker 2: And you know she says it about both of them.
Speaker 2: He was chaos, he was revelry. They both are chaos
Speaker 2: and revelry, you know, like she said that about the
Speaker 2: first guy, and she said it about Travis too, And
Speaker 2: I love I love that echo. He was chaos, he
Speaker 2: was revelry. And then something very interesting I find musically
Speaker 2: at the end, so we all know, the chorus is
Speaker 2: like and I'm running with my dress on button screaming,
Speaker 2: but daddy, I love him. I'm having his baby. No
Speaker 2: I'm not, but you should see your faces. And then
Speaker 2: at the very end she's like, uh, she says, screaming,
Speaker 2: but daddy, I love him. I'm having his baby. No
Speaker 2: I'm not. When she does that, no I'm not and
Speaker 2: the music fucking cuts out is probably my favorite moment
Speaker 2: in Anny Taylors song ever, baby, No I'm not. But
Speaker 2: uh no, sorry that was the wrong one. I'm I'm
Speaker 2: having his baby. I'm having his baby. No I'm not,
Speaker 2: but but but but you should say your faces. I
Speaker 2: love how different she she makes that course a totally
Speaker 2: different melody at the very end, it's brilliant and just
Speaker 2: everyone go back right now and revisit No I'm not,
Speaker 2: and it's it reminds me of August. When the crescendo
Speaker 2: in August, that's like I have to pull it up.
Speaker 2: But there's a moment in August where it's like boom
Speaker 2: and it like hits, and it's just like, uh, let
Speaker 2: me pull it up, because I really want to make
Speaker 2: the connection of these two songs. August and this song
Speaker 2: both make me feel like I'm flying and like I'm
Speaker 2: running in a field flying and back when we were
Speaker 2: still changing for the butter, that's not the part. But
Speaker 2: she goes, Uh you remember mine? Oh remember when she
Speaker 2: goes back when I was living for the hope of all,
Speaker 2: for the hope, meet me behind the mall. And then
Speaker 2: it cuts out and it goes Remember when I pulled
Speaker 2: up said get in the car and then cancel that canceled.
Speaker 2: That is the same kind of triumphant thing. That's like, no,
Speaker 2: I'm not boom. I love it. It is such a
Speaker 2: Tailor Swift signature, uh musical moment, and I'm obsessed. I'm
Speaker 2: obsessed with this song. I fucking can't even take it.
Speaker 2: We are not gonna get through the whole album because
Speaker 2: I have to go. But let's just keep going as
Speaker 2: until we run out and then we'll do a second partner. Okay.
Speaker 2: Next up is uh Fresh out of the Slammer.
Speaker 1: I love Fresh Out the Slammer.
Speaker 2: I really like it too. It's not one of my
Speaker 2: faves just yet, but I do like it, and I
Speaker 2: know that it's one that's gonna grow on me a lot.
Speaker 2: Why what do you love about it?
Speaker 1: The rhythm Fresh out the Slammer? Like know who my
Speaker 1: call first will be? Too? Like how like just slow
Speaker 1: it is? But then when the verse it picks up
Speaker 1: buta like, I just love it. I just love that.
Speaker 1: You don't know what she's gonna say next the imagery
Speaker 1: she's painting like another.
Speaker 2: Ye, another summer. Oh that that's ruling Donna. He don't
Speaker 2: understand me. Oh, yes, you're right, Dinna, Donna, Donna. I
Speaker 2: really like that verse.
Speaker 1: I also love the pre chorus where she's like giving
Speaker 1: us information and clues about why this relationship was so
Speaker 1: important because she was under the spell of someone else.
Speaker 1: It's like a prison. She only gets one hour of
Speaker 1: sunlight a day, like prisoners can only leave for one
Speaker 1: hour a day, Like she was handcuffed to that spell.
Speaker 2: Oh, I thought she just got out of prison, Like
Speaker 2: she's not going back. I thought she was, Like she's
Speaker 2: not like taking a break on the prison yard. She's
Speaker 2: like out of the Slammer. She just got released.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's a metaphor for her. The Slammer is
Speaker 1: her previous relationship. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I like, so this is she's talking about getting out
Speaker 2: of Joe and then running to Maddie. Is this what
Speaker 2: we're talking about this one?
Speaker 1: Yes? But like I loved how she was Like when
Speaker 1: I was in prison, I only got one hour of sunshine,
Speaker 1: Like I did my best in that relationship. I only
Speaker 1: got one hour of sunshine, like the positives would pop
Speaker 1: up every once in a while.
Speaker 2: But oh I didn't see that for just one hour
Speaker 2: of sunshine, I didn't see that lyric. Yeah, okay, I
Speaker 2: got it. Oh yes, So while she's in the slammer,
Speaker 2: that's her life.
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, years of labor locks and gray.
Speaker 2: And blue and fights and tunnels, handcuffed tunnels is very London.
Speaker 2: Handcuffed to the spell I was under for just one
Speaker 2: hour of sunshine and that she's handcuffed to that bed
Speaker 2: in that in the Fortnite video, years of labor locks
Speaker 2: and ceilings in the shade of how he was feeling.
Speaker 2: Oh so he's a depressed guy.
Speaker 1: Yes, And I just love how like it's real. But
Speaker 1: the years of labor locks in I'm sorry. I'm not
Speaker 1: a good singer like you.
Speaker 2: No, I just loved I couldn't lot do that joke.
Speaker 2: I don't know why, but you are no bad thinger
Speaker 2: at all. I just wanted to make people up.
Speaker 1: No, I am like you're and you have a beautiful voice. No, no, no, no, no.
Speaker 2: No, no, I don't. I want to be clear. I
Speaker 2: never judge anyone's voice. Like I want everyone to sing
Speaker 2: any time, and you also are not off like you
Speaker 2: have a good voice. So I'm not gonna say that myself.
Speaker 2: But even if you weren't, I wouldn't care. Okay, but yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm this is starting to grow on me now that
Speaker 2: I'm looking at the lyrics with you and talking through it.
Speaker 2: It's it's gonna be fun to revisit.
Speaker 1: Yes, I just love it because it's there, like from
Speaker 1: so Long London and this pre chorus like we're getting
Speaker 1: the reasons it's and it's not like dramatic, you you know,
Speaker 1: it's just sad. It's just like, well.
Speaker 2: What about this camera flashes, welcome bashes, get the matches,
Speaker 2: toss the ashes off the ledge. As I said in
Speaker 2: my letters, now that I know better, I will never
Speaker 2: lose my baby again. Okay, so they got back together.
Speaker 2: She's really gonna try this time. My friends tried, but
Speaker 2: I wouldn't hear it. Watched me daily disappearing. Okay, it's
Speaker 2: getting bad again. For just one glimpse of his smile. Okay,
Speaker 2: he's depressed. All those nights he kept me going, swirled
Speaker 2: you into all of my poems. All those nights he
Speaker 2: kept me going something's going on at night with him.
Speaker 2: We don't know what, but maybe they're talking, maybe they
Speaker 2: something else. Uh swirled you into all my poems is
Speaker 2: one of my favorite lyrics of this album. Now we're
Speaker 2: at the starting line. I did my time. Starting line.
Speaker 2: Isn't that the name of the band that they listened
Speaker 2: to with the Black Dog? Oh?
Speaker 1: Is it?
Speaker 2: Let me just go to check where are you black Dog?
Speaker 2: Because I think there's a band. Oh, my computer's being
Speaker 2: so slow. Black Dog? Here we go. Sorry, someone cut
Speaker 2: out this. Yeah, starting line. When someone plays the starting line, yeah,
Speaker 2: that's the band. My tour manager knows the people in
Speaker 2: the band, and he's like, oh my god, I know
Speaker 2: the guy who just like woke up to him being
Speaker 2: name checked in a Taylor's song, which is would be incredible.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, my Google just crash. Okay, you know what,
Speaker 2: This is a perfect time to wrap this up because
Speaker 2: I have to go anyway. We are going to pick
Speaker 2: up where we left off. We will start, we'll finish
Speaker 2: the conversation about Fresh out the Slammer, and then we'll
Speaker 2: get to the rest of the album. Here with no
Speaker 2: Nora Hadidi. I hope you guys enjoyed this this is
Speaker 2: so fun for me, Nora, I hope you had fun.
Speaker 1: Yes, absolutely. I mean I'm just like processing emotions, so
Speaker 1: fun is like maybe not at the top of the list,
Speaker 1: but I'm trying to have fun. But just really like.
Speaker 2: This isn't like this really, this is like kind of
Speaker 2: torturous for you, your tortured poet.
Speaker 1: I guess I am. I'm a tortured poet like.
Speaker 2: Mother because this is like I just said to my friend,
Speaker 2: I am like dating this album. Oh my god. This
Speaker 2: was a line I had the other night to Anya,
Speaker 2: like we are leaving one of the venues late at night,
Speaker 2: and I had this like overwhelming feeling. You know that
Speaker 2: feeling when you like are first crushing on someone and
Speaker 2: you like are waiting to get their text and like
Speaker 2: you can't wait to get away from your life so
Speaker 2: you can go like text them and just like be
Speaker 2: wrapped up in that. Yeah, I was feeling like that.
Speaker 2: I was like, why am I? Why am I feeling
Speaker 2: like I'm so I'm good to text a boy or
Speaker 2: some like like a new boy, you know, like I'm
Speaker 2: in a relationship. We're not like texting like flirty all night.
Speaker 2: And and then I realized it was this album I
Speaker 2: was it was feeling like I got to get to
Speaker 2: go back into this like little fantasy world. It's been
Speaker 2: really fun for me. I'm sorry it's not been fun
Speaker 2: for you. And it's like been emotional. But like, does
Speaker 2: do you like feeling like you're obviously working through maybe
Speaker 2: a heartbreak of your own? Is this is it pulling
Speaker 2: up feelings you don't didn't want to pull up? Or
Speaker 2: is it like does it feel good?
Speaker 1: I feel like from my life, I'm just so connected
Speaker 1: to what she writes, Like I've been listening to her
Speaker 1: since I was nineteen, and I'm thirty four, so the
Speaker 1: emotional places I go to, like like I can access
Speaker 1: through herself. No, I'm a year older than her. I'm
Speaker 1: eighty eight.
Speaker 2: Oh that's great.
Speaker 1: I'm thirty five. I keep telling people I'm thirty four.
Speaker 1: It's crazy because this is the third time it's happened
Speaker 1: this week. It's okay in denial about being thirty five.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, thirty five is great. Thirty five years older
Speaker 2: than her. It's it's like I wish even though I
Speaker 2: feel like we were born on the same day, you know, like,
Speaker 2: but that's you obviously. Yeah, that's what I wanted to
Speaker 2: say about the Red when I was like saying, we've
Speaker 2: never got a message in a bottle, Like I'm kind
Speaker 2: of unclear about what was on Red and what wasn't,
Speaker 2: Like I kind of went through Red and speak now
Speaker 2: and fearless with the re releases more than I did
Speaker 2: with them because they all came out before. I was
Speaker 2: a fan of Massive, you know, Swifty, So I sometimes
Speaker 2: I'm unclear about the Yeah, I'm not a perfect Swifty
Speaker 2: by any means, but no one is. But yeah, that's
Speaker 2: that is. You've been through a lot with her, and
Speaker 2: yes there's a lot of empathy going on. But the
Speaker 2: good news is she's so fucking happy now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so happy for her. She deserves it, so happy.
Speaker 1: And I guess I feel a bit guilty for like
Speaker 1: not understanding what she was really going through with Maddie,
Speaker 1: Like I just genuinely thought it was like a flaying
Speaker 1: and that she ended things with him, Like I wish
Speaker 1: I was more empathetic to what she was going through honestly, how.
Speaker 2: I was, like I felt it. Oh, And someone else
Speaker 2: also called out and said, Nikki, remember when you said
Speaker 2: that there was a sadness to some of her like,
Speaker 2: even though she hits all of her marks and she's
Speaker 2: perfect on stage, you could just send something you weren't wrong,
Speaker 2: like you weren't wrong, and oh yeah, I said it
Speaker 2: on the podcast. I said a bunch like and I
Speaker 2: felt really bad saying that because I don't want to
Speaker 2: ever accuse her of like me sensing something that isn't
Speaker 2: professional in what she's doing, or like she wasn't amazing,
Speaker 2: or that show somehow wasn't as good because she wasn't
Speaker 2: I sense to sadness. That's not it at all, Like
Speaker 2: she's always one hundred percent perfect. It was just I
Speaker 2: sensed something, and I knew exactly what Maddie was exactly.
Speaker 2: I have had Maddie's I know. I was one hundred
Speaker 2: percent for it, one hundred percent for maybe two on board.
Speaker 2: I was so on board that Chris made a shirt
Speaker 2: that said Team Mattie that he wore to the Chicago
Speaker 2: show in early July. It's a team Maddie on the back,
Speaker 2: because I had convinced him that, like everyone's so mad
Speaker 2: at her, but fuck them, let her do whatever she wants,
Speaker 2: and so it was hilarious. Now you can't wear that,
Speaker 2: even though it was really a funny shirt he made,
Speaker 2: but the front of it was really cool too. But
Speaker 2: uh yeah, so I've I've always been I just I.
Speaker 2: And you know again that that thing that we all
Speaker 2: were like, what is she doing was a response to
Speaker 2: this thing we all were mourning the loss of too,
Speaker 2: Like her breaking up with Joe's hard on me as well.
Speaker 1: Yes, because we've invested, like I said, reputation.
Speaker 2: Love, like we were never gonna be okay with Matt,
Speaker 2: Like people were never gonna because he was just the
Speaker 2: next thing. And we're like, it's not Joe, it's like
Speaker 2: chill out.
Speaker 1: Also, like Maddie's like a public idiot, like he says
Speaker 1: things that can be like offensive and hurt, actually hurt
Speaker 1: people's feelings, but he's not aware, like and we're just
Speaker 1: used to her being so aware of her fans and
Speaker 1: a can can no share.
Speaker 2: What you shared with me about Maddie.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, wait when we were in Boston.
Speaker 2: No, didn't you say, were you the one that just
Speaker 2: told me that you were like getting kind of horny
Speaker 2: for him? Or you can see it?
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Yes, I'm so embarrassed. I was so embarrassed.
Speaker 2: Join the club I've been in that club for a while,
Speaker 2: like a while, and I don't see why everyone isn't.
Speaker 2: I mean, I feel like, yeah.
Speaker 1: I only found out. I've never seen him on stage,
Speaker 1: never heard his music. I saw this.
Speaker 2: Oh his music was so good. I'm so into it.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's the thing. And I only found out about
Speaker 1: him when it was like all the backlash from the
Speaker 1: podcast he was doing. So I was like, not invested
Speaker 1: in this guy. And all I knew about him was
Speaker 1: he was dating Queen Taylor, who nobody deserves and also
Speaker 1: just like talking shit online. So I was like, who
Speaker 1: is this guy? But yesterday, like I told you, I
Speaker 1: got high and then I started watching his music and
Speaker 1: his like videos on YouTube and Instagram, and I was like,
Speaker 1: this guy is hot, Like yes, this guy like good
Speaker 1: sing and his lyrics, he's he's Taylor.
Speaker 2: He's like, there's a swift vibe. There's a lot of
Speaker 2: emotions going on, great lyrics, great vibes. Every song sounds different,
Speaker 2: they're a they're amazing. He's amazing. I get it. I
Speaker 2: get it. And he's a flawed person. Obviously he hurt
Speaker 2: our friend, but I think she would even still say
Speaker 2: he's great at music. And I definitely think she would
Speaker 2: still agree that he's hot, like or there was a
Speaker 2: sexual appeal to him. She would not be mad at
Speaker 2: us for agreeing with her. And we're saying that just supportively.
Speaker 2: Yeah and so yeah, anyway, we have to end this.
Speaker 2: I love everyone that listened and made it this far
Speaker 2: in this over an hour and a half podcast. Thank
Speaker 2: you so much for listening, Nora, thank you for being here,
Speaker 2: and we'll see you next time on this swifty special
Speaker 2: edition of the Niki Laser Podcast. Swiftly out