WEBVTT - Is there treasure on Oak Island? 0:00:01.080 --> 0:00:04.240 Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from the house stuff 0:00:04.240 --> 0:00:12.800 Works dot Com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm 0:00:12.880 --> 0:00:16.720 Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and Jerry So 0:00:16.800 --> 0:00:21.599 this is Stuff you should Know. Oh d, so you're 0:00:22.000 --> 0:00:28.080 Nova Scotia accent. Uh no, no, sir, what was that? 0:00:28.240 --> 0:00:30.920 Just a howdy? Okay? It did sound funny though. That 0:00:31.000 --> 0:00:34.400 was my Heath Hall version. We talked about. You love 0:00:34.440 --> 0:00:36.960 that show, didn't you know? I never really watched it. 0:00:37.440 --> 0:00:41.120 I don't thinking of my other podcast Ghost, I didn't 0:00:41.159 --> 0:00:44.080 watch you how much? Yeah I did. I was from 0:00:44.120 --> 0:00:46.479 the South to Toledo. Do you I thought that was 0:00:46.560 --> 0:00:48.640 like yocol stuff? No, I mean like it was on 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:51.239 every once in a while. I just passed by. You 0:00:51.280 --> 0:00:54.000 know what, wasn't Mini Pearl? She had the hat with 0:00:54.040 --> 0:00:56.880 the price tag on. Still that's all anyone started there. 0:00:58.160 --> 0:01:02.800 And then there's like some guy with the angel I think. 0:01:04.880 --> 0:01:08.679 I think that's is one of the most off requested shows. 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:11.240 Oak Island. Yeah, I've had a lot heard. I didn't 0:01:11.280 --> 0:01:13.600 really know much about it, but it seems like every 0:01:13.600 --> 0:01:16.960 other week someone's saying Oka Island, guys, do Oak Island. 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:20.640 We're gonna do Oka island. We want everybody to be quiet, 0:01:20.840 --> 0:01:23.640 that's right. So that's what we're doing. Did you know 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:25.920 much about this ahead of time? No, not at all. 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:29.000 It's one of those things like you hear about and 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:31.360 you hear a little more and you don't really dig in. 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:35.160 But so the whole thing is just kind of this 0:01:35.280 --> 0:01:37.920 neat legend that's kind of out there. Yeah, I don't 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:39.640 know how I missed it. And then once you start 0:01:39.680 --> 0:01:44.319 digging and you're like, uh, I understand you say that 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:47.760 with the skeptical tone. Well, I think this is one 0:01:47.800 --> 0:01:53.080 of those cases where there's no treasure. I don't know, 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:55.680 there's some weirdness, there's some things that make me say 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:58.440 this is very odd, but I also understand the skeptical 0:01:58.480 --> 0:02:03.600 point of view. So well, what I've just kind of 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:05.720 demonstrated is a little bit of the middle of the 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:10.160 road approach to Oak Island, which is unusual. Most people 0:02:10.840 --> 0:02:16.600 approach Oake Island either as true believe or treasure hunters 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:19.880 or total skeptics. Like, there's not a lot of middle 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:21.880 of the road. It's a divisive island as far as 0:02:21.960 --> 0:02:25.000 islands go. It's only like a hundred and something acres. 0:02:25.080 --> 0:02:26.880 It's not a big island. It's off the coast of 0:02:26.880 --> 0:02:31.080 Nova Scotia. Hundred forty acres. That's not that's not big. Yeah, 0:02:31.200 --> 0:02:35.079 But for as small as it is, you know, it's 0:02:35.120 --> 0:02:38.359 pretty divisive. Yeah. I don't think. Uh, I don't see 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:41.560 what the big deal about being skeptical about the I 0:02:41.600 --> 0:02:44.120 mean a very treasure. I mean, who cares. Oh, if 0:02:44.120 --> 0:02:46.680 you're a skeptic, you have to poop pooh everything. Absolutely, 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:50.520 anything that's even remotely frivolous has to be squashed. But 0:02:50.600 --> 0:02:53.960 this isn't even like supernatural or anything. It's just I mean, 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:57.440 I guess there's the curse thing. Yeah, that's that's all. 0:02:57.560 --> 0:02:59.880 That's all TV. That's not even lower from what i'd 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:03.960 stand up new. It's like literally just a media creation, 0:03:04.120 --> 0:03:07.040 like strictly from the TV show that before that. I mean, 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:10.080 like people didn't really see it as a curse. There's 0:03:10.120 --> 0:03:13.080 just buried treasure on Oak Island. Yeah. And if it's 0:03:13.200 --> 0:03:16.200 the eighteen hundreds and you're digging for things, there's a 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:20.720 good chance he might die. Yeah, it's dangerous. I read 0:03:20.760 --> 0:03:24.359 this really great article written in nineteen sixty five by 0:03:24.400 --> 0:03:27.359 Mildred rest All. Yeah, read from the New York Times. 0:03:27.560 --> 0:03:30.720 No This was in like Ottawa magazine and it was 0:03:30.760 --> 0:03:32.840 written by her. Yeah, I read one. It might have 0:03:32.880 --> 0:03:35.400 been the same one. I wonder it was like within 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:37.520 a very short time of her husband and sun dying. 0:03:37.800 --> 0:03:40.880 I thought, Wow, this ladies really composed. But then I 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:43.840 read a little further and found out that Mildred Restall 0:03:44.040 --> 0:03:47.440 and her husband, Robert, who moved their family to Oak 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:50.360 Island so Robert could hunt for the treasure in nineteen 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:54.880 fifty nine. I think um started out. They met because 0:03:54.920 --> 0:03:58.120 they were both circus performers with nerves of steel who 0:03:58.240 --> 0:04:03.280 rode motorcycles in a huge globes fear. Well, he would 0:04:03.320 --> 0:04:06.080 go like upside down and she would go side to side, 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:08.600 and they would miss each other hundreds of times in 0:04:08.680 --> 0:04:12.240 an act. And now after that, I was like, oh, yeah, 0:04:12.320 --> 0:04:15.839 this lady, she's tough as nails. Yeah, you never seen 0:04:15.880 --> 0:04:19.200 one of those acts. I just didn't realize that that's 0:04:19.240 --> 0:04:23.760 what they did, got you, Yeah, and that it seems 0:04:23.800 --> 0:04:25.640 kind of odd to have that. I thought it was 0:04:25.680 --> 0:04:31.600 a newer act from No, it's totally fifties screams fifties really, Yeah, 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:35.680 see I thought it screened seventies. Oh it does too. Yeah, 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:38.599 you're right, sure, yeah, evil kine evil is why that 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:43.720 screams that? All right, so let's dive in here a well, yeah, 0:04:43.760 --> 0:04:45.720 the rest dolls when they moved to nineteen fifty nine, 0:04:45.720 --> 0:04:48.520 they were hardly the first people that moved to Oak 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:53.200 Island and set up residents there in order to find 0:04:53.240 --> 0:04:58.359 the treasure. But prior to sevent um, Oak Island was 0:04:58.400 --> 0:05:02.840 just another island. Yeah, it's still just another island. Well, 0:05:03.200 --> 0:05:06.160 just because of all of the attention that's been paid 0:05:06.240 --> 0:05:09.040 to it. It's not it's no longer. It's been changed forever. 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:12.960 Prior to seventeen five, though, it was just like whatever, 0:05:13.120 --> 0:05:16.680 there's Oak Island until a local kid from Nova Scotia 0:05:17.040 --> 0:05:23.599 named Robert McGinnis Daniel McGinnis sorry, um, decided to go explore. Yeah, 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:26.560 and this, Um, you won't find any two people that 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:31.360 agree on these legend stories, even with Daniel mckinnis, because 0:05:31.400 --> 0:05:33.440 it's you know, none of the stuff was really written 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:36.960 down until much later. Nothing was written down in sevent 0:05:38.400 --> 0:05:43.040 nothing was documented until like the nineteen hundred Well Star 0:05:43.120 --> 0:05:47.320 Trek came along. Certainly things like this weren't documented, um 0:05:47.360 --> 0:05:50.560 because he was just a boy. He was sixteen years old. Uh, 0:05:50.560 --> 0:05:54.560 he was on a fishing expedition and uh, as the 0:05:54.600 --> 0:05:57.559 story goes, and we'll just use the most commonly agreed 0:05:57.640 --> 0:06:01.960 upon story here. He was, um, he was just kind 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:05.320 of trapes around the island and found like a block 0:06:05.400 --> 0:06:08.400 from a pulley attached to a tree, an oak tree, 0:06:09.120 --> 0:06:12.680 and then a big sort of cleared out area underneath 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:16.480 it where it looked like, uh, you know, someone had 0:06:16.520 --> 0:06:19.520 maybe been digging and reburying something. Yeah, there's like a 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:23.000 depression under this block tackle block from a pulley. Yeah, 0:06:23.000 --> 0:06:24.760 it was just cleared out. And he was like, huh, 0:06:25.560 --> 0:06:28.359 but j anything, there's a pirate stretcher down there. Yeah, 0:06:28.640 --> 0:06:33.760 I mean, being a sevent teenager, he was like, there's yeah, 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:36.400 pirates all are are all over the place. Yeah, and 0:06:36.440 --> 0:06:40.080 it's entirely possible. We're talking the eighteenth century. We're talking 0:06:40.080 --> 0:06:43.640 a time when piracy was still very much in the 0:06:43.720 --> 0:06:47.720 public imagination. Bury treasure was a hot thing. Yeah, I mean, 0:06:47.760 --> 0:06:49.479 there is such a thing. And at the very least 0:06:49.480 --> 0:06:52.920 if no one, if no single pirate ever buried his treasure, 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:57.880 there is a lot of rumor about buried treasure of pirates. 0:06:58.440 --> 0:07:00.680 I think it makes total sense. You know that You 0:07:00.720 --> 0:07:02.760 can't carry that stuff around all the time because you 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:06.279 get robbed and looted. So you you know, bury that junk, 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:10.040 come back for it later. Right, make a weird, funny 0:07:10.040 --> 0:07:14.320 looking map that looks like a sweaty pillow case and um, 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:17.120 put a big X in the middle of it. So 0:07:18.000 --> 0:07:19.960 and then put that in a coffee can and then 0:07:20.000 --> 0:07:22.840 bury that in your backyard. That's right, you gotta bury 0:07:22.880 --> 0:07:28.160 twice because it's so nice. Uh the pirate really can 0:07:28.200 --> 0:07:30.320 you say like a pirate? No, I did not need 0:07:30.320 --> 0:07:33.120 he would do that. Um, all right, So he starts digging. 0:07:33.240 --> 0:07:35.480 He's his interest is peaked. He gets a couple of 0:07:35.520 --> 0:07:39.480 friends comes back the next day. Uh, Anthony Vaughan and 0:07:39.640 --> 0:07:45.320 John Smith and use him, you think probably? Uh? And 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:48.960 so they start digging. Reportedly go down about ten feet 0:07:49.000 --> 0:07:52.720 and found a layer of like a platform of oak logs. Yeah, 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:55.320 which is you're not supposed to find that when you 0:07:55.480 --> 0:07:58.240 dig into a hole under a pulley. No, you're not 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:00.480 supposed to it's not worthy. First they found und a 0:08:00.600 --> 0:08:03.640 stone that they took to be man made, like two 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:05.320 ft down, and then ten feet down they found an 0:08:05.320 --> 0:08:10.240 oak platform and then supposedly every ten feet after that, Uh, 0:08:10.280 --> 0:08:14.040 they kept finding these platforms. Um, and we'll just go 0:08:14.080 --> 0:08:16.080 ahead and call this the money pit. What's what everyone 0:08:16.160 --> 0:08:19.120 calls it. Yeah, this main location is the money pit 0:08:19.560 --> 0:08:23.080 because just the first Oak platform alone says there's treasure 0:08:23.120 --> 0:08:28.040 buried here. That's right. Uh. So basically they, um, they 0:08:28.120 --> 0:08:30.840 got down as far as they could for three teenage 0:08:30.840 --> 0:08:35.240 boys with picks and shovels and said, uh, this this 0:08:35.280 --> 0:08:38.200 isn't we're not finding anything and were we need help? Basically, yeah, 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:41.000 we need to bring in some old timey equipment. Yeah, 0:08:41.040 --> 0:08:44.840 bigger tools, gets some old timey funding and maybe get 0:08:44.920 --> 0:08:47.720 some old timey other people involved. And they did, but 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:50.640 it took like nine years before they came back I think. Yeah. 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:52.520 And they filled it back in because they didn't just 0:08:52.520 --> 0:08:54.080 want to leave a big empty hole there. It's an 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:57.600 obvious sign that there's a treasure there. So, like you said, 0:08:57.679 --> 0:09:00.599 nine hours later, they did come back, um with investors 0:09:00.760 --> 0:09:05.840 nine years later. Now I said years. I will bet 0:09:05.880 --> 0:09:10.800 you all the money on Oak Island that you said ours. Uh. 0:09:10.880 --> 0:09:12.920 At any rate, it was nine years and they came 0:09:12.920 --> 0:09:18.400 back and formed with some funding from the Onslow company. Um, 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:21.439 and that'll be a common refrain here. Uh, And apparently 0:09:21.760 --> 0:09:26.079 I did some writing on modern treasure hunting, and it's 0:09:26.120 --> 0:09:28.880 all about the funding, you know. It's it's just like 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:33.760 any business. You These dudes have boats and equipment, but 0:09:33.840 --> 0:09:35.800 they're like, if you want a piece of this action, 0:09:36.520 --> 0:09:38.880 we need some dough out there and find the stuff. 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:43.360 It's like selling future contracts. Yeah, yeah, a potential treasure exactly. 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:45.600 And it's not just treasure hunting that does that. Like 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:49.760 lots of archaeological expeditions are funded like that. If if 0:09:49.800 --> 0:09:53.840 your local universities like we got enough problems as it is, 0:09:53.880 --> 0:09:56.280 we can't fund your dig you can go to private 0:09:56.280 --> 0:10:01.480 investors who ultimately it's still treasure hunting. It's just churched 0:10:01.559 --> 0:10:06.400 up church don called archaeological things. So they come back 0:10:06.440 --> 0:10:11.559 as the on Slough Company and dig down deeper this time, 0:10:11.679 --> 0:10:16.280 and they did find some interesting things, notably things that 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:19.520 shouldn't be there, like coconut fiber and charcoal and putty 0:10:19.800 --> 0:10:23.560 and coconuts obviously not native to Nova Scotia. So they're like, 0:10:23.600 --> 0:10:26.560 someone has put something down here. Well yeah, also at 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:29.600 the time, um coconut fiber was used as a packing 0:10:29.640 --> 0:10:34.439 material though, so clearly somebody was using it as as 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:40.559 some sort of construction material wasn't accidentally dropped there there, 0:10:40.920 --> 0:10:44.600 that's right. Um, so a legend has it they dug 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:47.440 down until they hit ninety feet and then found a 0:10:47.440 --> 0:10:50.880 flat stone with a coded inscription that they could not 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:55.079 make sense of. Uh. Since then, other people have supposedly 0:10:55.559 --> 0:10:59.120 translated it to read forty ft below two million pounds 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:04.320 are buried. Um, there's no stone today, there's no rubbing, 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:07.720 there is no photograph. No, it's called the famous cipher Stone, 0:11:07.880 --> 0:11:10.800 and it was supposedly lost in like but yeah, there's 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:14.200 no evidence. Yeah, and so anything you run across, like 0:11:14.240 --> 0:11:18.720 in a book or on the web or something, is conjecture. No, 0:11:18.840 --> 0:11:22.720 there's no document of this cipher stone. But they do 0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:27.000 think that something that accounts for the cipherstone did exist 0:11:27.080 --> 0:11:30.079 at some point, but no one knows for certain exactly 0:11:30.080 --> 0:11:32.440 what it said. And if you're wondering two million pounds 0:11:32.440 --> 0:11:36.960 of what I assumed that they met British currency, Yeah, 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:39.640 that would be funny. Those just like two million pounds 0:11:39.679 --> 0:11:44.800 of pirates scat coconut husks. Uh. So they get down 0:11:44.800 --> 0:11:48.480 to about close to a hundred feet and then go 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:51.359 home for the day and and drink rum I would imagine, 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:54.360 and then come back and it's full of water, and 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:56.560 they tried to bail it out, but they were basically like, 0:11:56.960 --> 0:11:59.520 this is you know seven well, I guess this point 0:11:59.520 --> 0:12:03.280 it was eight hundreds, but we're still screwed, right, So 0:12:03.360 --> 0:12:05.880 the Robert McGinnis and what was the name of the 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:11.560 company came back with the company what what you just 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:14.680 described as the process that people have followed in the 0:12:14.800 --> 0:12:18.800 troubles that people have run into in the every every 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:22.040 ever since. And we'll talk about some of the following expeditions, 0:12:22.080 --> 0:12:43.120 because McGinnis's troubles didn't put anybody else off right after this. Okay, 0:12:43.160 --> 0:12:47.160 so Chuck, something really weird happened to the McGinnis expedition, 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:50.079 the second one when he grew up became a man, 0:12:50.280 --> 0:12:54.160 came back with the Onslow company and dug down became 0:12:54.200 --> 0:12:56.920 a man. They went to bed after drinking a bunch 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:59.400 of them, like you said, and then they woke up 0:12:59.440 --> 0:13:02.959 and the pit had filled with water. And it's basically 0:13:03.000 --> 0:13:07.920 been filled with water ever since. Yeah, which is a problem. 0:13:07.920 --> 0:13:10.520 If you're a treasure hunter. You want dry conditions as 0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:13.400 much as possible to get to the treasure. Water is 0:13:13.440 --> 0:13:17.920 an impediment UM. And it became such an impediment that 0:13:18.040 --> 0:13:21.640 ultimately mcginnison on the Onslow company just kind of gave up. 0:13:21.920 --> 0:13:24.520 I guess they ran out of funding, right, Yeah, which 0:13:24.520 --> 0:13:27.040 has also been a refrain over the years. You can 0:13:27.080 --> 0:13:29.760 only dig so long until the person eventually who's funding 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:34.360 he says, I'm gonna pull the plug. But years later, UM, 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:39.880 a question was raised about that flooding. People started to 0:13:39.920 --> 0:13:45.480 wonder was that actually an engineered booby trap? And that's 0:13:45.520 --> 0:13:50.319 become a question among treasure hunters for centuries on. Yeah. 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:52.760 Of course the skeptics will say no, it is just 0:13:53.040 --> 0:13:56.360 uh seawater, because later they found out that it was 0:13:56.360 --> 0:14:02.079 actually saltwater uh and there are other similar underground water 0:14:02.400 --> 0:14:05.720 tunnels on the island. So they're like, no, this is 0:14:05.920 --> 0:14:08.840 just going on on this island. And and the believers 0:14:08.840 --> 0:14:10.600 will say no, it was a booby drop set by 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:14.280 the pirates. But the believers in this case have a 0:14:14.360 --> 0:14:17.440 kind of strange evidence UM to back up their ideas. 0:14:17.920 --> 0:14:22.320 So in eighteen forty nine, after the mcguinnis expedition, the 0:14:22.360 --> 0:14:26.800 second one left many years after UM, the Truro Company, 0:14:26.800 --> 0:14:29.320 which is kind of tough to say, they showed up 0:14:29.360 --> 0:14:31.720 to the island to look for the money pit, and 0:14:31.720 --> 0:14:35.880 they started digging again, right, and when they started digging, 0:14:35.880 --> 0:14:38.680 they ran into the same problem. There the chaft that 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:41.560 they dug filled with water. So they started to think, 0:14:41.560 --> 0:14:44.040 we'll wait a minute, maybe this is purposeful at the 0:14:44.160 --> 0:14:47.440 very least, maybe there's some sort of sea caves. And 0:14:47.440 --> 0:14:49.400 if there's sea caves that are filling this thing up, 0:14:49.680 --> 0:14:52.120 potentially we could stop up the sea caves and then 0:14:52.120 --> 0:14:54.800 we can avoid the water problem and keep digging. So 0:14:54.840 --> 0:14:57.360 they sent people from the expedition to look all over 0:14:57.480 --> 0:15:02.240 the shoreline of the island and they found something really 0:15:02.280 --> 0:15:04.800 astounding that, from what I understand still to this day, 0:15:04.920 --> 0:15:09.240 is the one thing that confounds all skeptics when it 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:12.360 comes to Oak Island. They found what can really only 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:16.720 be described as a man Maine drainage system that basically 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:23.160 accepts the incoming tide and potentially funnels the tied to 0:15:24.200 --> 0:15:27.960 the money pit. Yeah. Um, So you know, they they 0:15:27.960 --> 0:15:30.720 continue to dig and drill because they're encouraged by finding 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:35.360 like things they said were metal or maybe even gold 0:15:35.400 --> 0:15:39.840 on the Augur's um and even more coconut husk. Yeah. 0:15:39.920 --> 0:15:41.880 So they were like, there's something down there, but they, 0:15:42.080 --> 0:15:43.640 like you said, it kept flooding and that this is 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:46.440 when they realized it was seawater and they noticed, hey, 0:15:46.480 --> 0:15:50.200 it's actually filling up and and falling back down with 0:15:50.320 --> 0:15:53.400 along with the tides. So that's when they built a 0:15:53.720 --> 0:15:56.560 temporary coffer dam to kind of see what was going on. 0:15:56.680 --> 0:16:01.200 And that's when they found this five finger drain and which, yeah, 0:16:01.240 --> 0:16:04.080 there's really no explanation that didn't just accidentally happen, No, 0:16:04.240 --> 0:16:07.120 And what gives it away is it's um. It's a 0:16:07.200 --> 0:16:09.760 hundred and forty five ft wide, and it's about the 0:16:09.760 --> 0:16:13.720 height of high the difference between high tide and low tide, 0:16:14.120 --> 0:16:17.600 so it's clearly meant to funnel the tied into this drain. 0:16:18.000 --> 0:16:20.960 There's five drains. They're obviously finger drains. Finger drains are 0:16:21.000 --> 0:16:24.640 like French drains basically, and they all connect into one 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:28.080 larger drain. But the real dead giveaway was the appearance 0:16:28.080 --> 0:16:31.840 again of coconut fiber. Coconut fiber was used to keep 0:16:31.840 --> 0:16:36.920 the sand out of the stone drain um, and a 0:16:37.000 --> 0:16:39.560 layer of coconut fiber on an island off of the 0:16:39.600 --> 0:16:44.680 coast of Nova Scotia suggests Man's intervention that's right, but 0:16:44.840 --> 0:16:48.440 what that means who knows. Again, treasure seekers will say 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:52.400 that they put this to uh keep you from finding 0:16:52.400 --> 0:16:55.240 that treasure. Right, it was evidence in favor of the 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:58.280 idea that the money pit is booby trapped. Yeah, and 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:01.120 I think skeptics will say that the uh. I think 0:17:01.120 --> 0:17:02.960 there was a theory that there was a lot of 0:17:03.000 --> 0:17:08.200 weird Freemason uh rituals going on, and maybe they buried 0:17:08.240 --> 0:17:11.920 some stuff there and not treasure necessarily, but um, maybe 0:17:11.960 --> 0:17:14.760 they built this strain to keep people from digging into 0:17:14.760 --> 0:17:17.439 their Yeah. Modern treasure huners are like, great, let me 0:17:17.480 --> 0:17:21.840 find whatever the Mason's buried. Yeah, you know, even if 0:17:21.880 --> 0:17:25.760 it's not gold ingots could be like, you know, the 0:17:25.840 --> 0:17:28.880 Secrets of the Freemasons, or yeah, the Ark of the Covenant. 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:31.120 Yeah and all right, they said that could be down 0:17:31.119 --> 0:17:33.680 there or the Holy Grail if you want to talk 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:35.919 about some of the legends of what's down there, might 0:17:35.960 --> 0:17:40.200 as well. Okay, So, um, the the the predominant one 0:17:40.240 --> 0:17:42.840 that Robert McGinnis initially thought of was that it was 0:17:42.880 --> 0:17:47.800 pirate treasure because he was a teenager in the seventeen nineties. Right. Um, 0:17:47.960 --> 0:17:51.040 Successive people have come to to see the money pit, 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:54.720 if it is sabotaged like it is, and the the 0:17:54.840 --> 0:17:57.960 construction that went into it is something that would have 0:17:57.960 --> 0:17:59.520 had to have been carried out by a group more 0:17:59.520 --> 0:18:03.119 sophistic ca did, better funded and better organized than Captain 0:18:03.240 --> 0:18:06.600 Kid's crew, more sober at the very least. Yeah, exactly. 0:18:06.880 --> 0:18:10.080 So one of the rumors of what treasure is buried 0:18:10.119 --> 0:18:15.080 down there is that the Freemasons buried something or the 0:18:15.200 --> 0:18:18.199 Knights Templar buried something, because the Knights Templar, you know, 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:23.679 they were like the militant arm of fundamental Christianity in 0:18:23.800 --> 0:18:28.000 like the the tenth century during pilgrimage is a k 0:18:28.200 --> 0:18:31.000 the Crusades to the Middle East, right, Yeah, so that 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:33.359 means they got a lot of dough over the years, 0:18:33.359 --> 0:18:37.960 they accumulated great wealth, had a big um falling out 0:18:38.000 --> 0:18:40.399 with the Catholic Church of course. Yes, supposedly they were 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:46.840 found worshiping Baffa Met, the goat headed breasted Satan, and 0:18:47.040 --> 0:18:49.400 that that's sort of like the statue, right, It's exactly 0:18:49.400 --> 0:18:52.840 like the statue Oklahoma. Yeah, the one that's being constructed 0:18:52.840 --> 0:18:55.560 by the Satanic Temple right now. Yeah, I put that 0:18:55.600 --> 0:18:57.840 on our Facebook page. It was very divisive I can 0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:02.119 imagine no surprise. Um, I thought it was just a nice, 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:05.240 cool looking piece of art. I mean, man, it's pretty 0:19:05.400 --> 0:19:10.080 well done, you know, it looks looked nice. Um. So yeah, 0:19:10.080 --> 0:19:11.760 so the Knights Templer has all this dough. They have 0:19:11.800 --> 0:19:14.359 a falling out with the Catholic Church for obvious reasons 0:19:14.359 --> 0:19:17.360 that you just pointed out, and then they buried their treasure. 0:19:18.160 --> 0:19:20.360 So I guess the Catholic Church wouldn't get their hands 0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:23.560 on it, right. But among that treasures supposedly is the 0:19:23.560 --> 0:19:27.879 Holy Grail, which is what um the Knights were looking 0:19:27.920 --> 0:19:30.840 for in Monty Python and the Holy Grail and the 0:19:30.960 --> 0:19:33.399 Ark of the Covenant, which is what Indiana Jones is 0:19:33.440 --> 0:19:36.840 looking for in Indiana Jones and uh, no raiders have 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:40.280 the Lost arc Um. And so some people have said, 0:19:40.600 --> 0:19:43.840 this is where the Knights Templar buried their treasure, this 0:19:43.920 --> 0:19:45.920 is where the Ark of the Covenant is. Then other 0:19:45.960 --> 0:19:48.720 people have said, whatever, the Knights Templar never made it 0:19:48.760 --> 0:19:53.159 to Nova Scotia. But the Freemasons obviously took over the 0:19:53.240 --> 0:19:57.480 secrets and protections of the Knights Templar. They're like the 0:19:57.520 --> 0:20:01.440 modern day Knights Templar society, and and uh they probably 0:20:01.480 --> 0:20:05.160 buried the arc and or the Holy Grail. Duh. Yeah, 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:08.240 And apparently a lot of Mason's have been on these 0:20:08.280 --> 0:20:12.080 excavation teams over the years, which of course is evidence 0:20:12.720 --> 0:20:16.119 that they're looking for their their old stuff, right or 0:20:16.359 --> 0:20:19.720 I mean, it also is entirely possible that there is 0:20:19.760 --> 0:20:22.480 a rumor among Masons that this is true. Whether it's 0:20:22.560 --> 0:20:27.159 true or not, that could have gotten some Masonic adventures 0:20:27.280 --> 0:20:31.679 to go. Look. You know. Another theory um that's been 0:20:31.720 --> 0:20:35.840 thrown out there is that um Marie Antoinette uh, during 0:20:35.840 --> 0:20:39.000 the French Revolution said got all her jewelry together and 0:20:39.000 --> 0:20:41.879 gave it to a woman and said flee, and she 0:20:42.000 --> 0:20:46.360 fled to Nova Scotia. And then the French navy came 0:20:46.400 --> 0:20:51.040 along and constructed this elaborate system to bury her jewels. 0:20:52.000 --> 0:20:55.919 There's another little uh possible theory and supposedly evidence that 0:20:55.960 --> 0:20:59.359 backs that up, is that the woman who was given 0:20:59.400 --> 0:21:01.640 the jewels, who was entrusted with the jewels, was spotted 0:21:01.640 --> 0:21:05.000 in Nova Scotia some time after that. What was she 0:21:05.080 --> 0:21:09.879 doing there burying jewels? Another unusual Nova Scotia link is 0:21:10.080 --> 0:21:13.840 um that of Francis Bacon. Yeah, I like this one. 0:21:13.960 --> 0:21:16.600 So remember Francis Bacon from the scientific method. He was 0:21:16.640 --> 0:21:20.600 the guy that really first put that down in written form. 0:21:20.840 --> 0:21:24.600 Brilliant man. Possibly Shakespeare. That's one of the theories is 0:21:24.640 --> 0:21:27.600 that he was the real Shakespeare. And the idea is 0:21:27.680 --> 0:21:32.440 that that he hid his manuscripts in the money pit 0:21:32.640 --> 0:21:35.880 on Oak Island, And that seems kind of far fetched. 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:40.879 But apparently Francis Bacon owned land in Nova Scotia. Yeah, 0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:45.520 and um, he was a preserver of things in mercury 0:21:45.800 --> 0:21:51.440 and supposedly they found flasks of mercury on the island. Um. 0:21:51.560 --> 0:21:54.239 I don't buy that one because I've always believed that 0:21:54.240 --> 0:21:58.320 Shakespeare was Shakespeare and not Francis Bacon or his sister 0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:03.000 or in the other very is uh crackpot theories about 0:22:03.040 --> 0:22:06.840 who really wrote that stuff. I like Francis Bacon and Shakespeare, 0:22:07.040 --> 0:22:10.479 you know, yeah, yeah, just the thought of it, or like, 0:22:10.600 --> 0:22:12.600 do you think the evidence is Uh, I don't know 0:22:12.640 --> 0:22:14.760 about the evidence. I don't know enough about it, but 0:22:15.080 --> 0:22:16.600 I like the thought of it. It seems like a 0:22:16.600 --> 0:22:20.080 pretty cool dude. Uh. So some of the other um 0:22:20.320 --> 0:22:24.720 treasure hunters started flocking there in the mid to late 0:22:24.760 --> 0:22:28.560 eighteen hundreds because that was just a big time for 0:22:28.600 --> 0:22:32.160 treasure hunting. Yeah, well the California gold Rush is going 0:22:32.200 --> 0:22:36.080 on in this is why the forty Niners are called that. 0:22:36.080 --> 0:22:39.840 That's right, and uh, I think there's kind of a 0:22:39.880 --> 0:22:42.800 treasure fever, yeah, going through the land. That's a good 0:22:42.800 --> 0:22:45.760 way to say it. So, um, the Eldorado Company in 0:22:45.840 --> 0:22:49.560 eighteen sixty six went out there, and they there were 0:22:49.640 --> 0:22:51.760 various methods over the years to try and block off 0:22:51.800 --> 0:22:54.960 the flow of water. They tried digging shafts and tunnels, 0:22:55.400 --> 0:22:58.160 they tried to divert it, they tried to intercept it 0:22:58.840 --> 0:23:03.679 um and basically all that ended up doing was causing 0:23:03.720 --> 0:23:09.240 a nightmare for future expeditions, to the point where people 0:23:09.280 --> 0:23:11.440 had had had a hard time even finding the original 0:23:11.440 --> 0:23:14.399 money bit to begin with. Right, A lot of the um, 0:23:14.800 --> 0:23:18.520 A lot of the landmarks, I guess you'd call them, 0:23:18.880 --> 0:23:22.800 we're just utterly destroyed. Supposedly in that article I read 0:23:22.920 --> 0:23:26.800 from um Mrs re Restall, she said that there's no 0:23:27.080 --> 0:23:31.720 there weren't any more oaks on Oak Island, any longer trees, Yeah, 0:23:31.760 --> 0:23:35.240 which because of excavation, just tore them all down. Yeah, 0:23:35.520 --> 0:23:37.880 so it would be very tough to find your way 0:23:37.880 --> 0:23:42.320 around if whatever directions were written at a time when 0:23:42.359 --> 0:23:44.920 there were plenty of oak trees and used oak trees 0:23:44.960 --> 0:23:48.080 as guides, like go to this oak tree and turn left. 0:23:48.280 --> 0:23:51.680 Yeah yeah, yeah, so um, yeah, the excavation has definitely 0:23:51.760 --> 0:23:55.600 changed the face of that island tremendously. Uh. One thing 0:23:55.600 --> 0:23:58.640 we do have that is tangible um as far as 0:23:58.920 --> 0:24:00.360 I don't know if you call it evidence or not, 0:24:00.640 --> 0:24:03.359