1 00:00:01,080 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you Should Know from the house stuff 2 00:00:04,240 --> 00:00:12,800 Speaker 1: Works dot Com. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm 3 00:00:12,880 --> 00:00:16,720 Speaker 1: Josh Clark. There's Charles W. Chuck Bryant, and Jerry So 4 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:21,599 Speaker 1: this is Stuff you should Know. Oh d, so you're 5 00:00:22,000 --> 00:00:28,080 Speaker 1: Nova Scotia accent. Uh no, no, sir, what was that? 6 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: Just a howdy? Okay? It did sound funny though. That 7 00:00:31,000 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: was my Heath Hall version. We talked about. You love 8 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: that show, didn't you know? I never really watched it. 9 00:00:37,440 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: I don't thinking of my other podcast Ghost, I didn't 10 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,080 Speaker 1: watch you how much? Yeah I did. I was from 11 00:00:44,120 --> 00:00:46,479 Speaker 1: the South to Toledo. Do you I thought that was 12 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: like yocol stuff? No, I mean like it was on 13 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 1: every once in a while. I just passed by. You 14 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:54,000 Speaker 1: know what, wasn't Mini Pearl? She had the hat with 15 00:00:54,040 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: the price tag on. Still that's all anyone started there. 16 00:00:58,160 --> 00:01:02,800 Speaker 1: And then there's like some guy with the angel I think. 17 00:01:04,880 --> 00:01:08,679 Speaker 1: I think that's is one of the most off requested shows. 18 00:01:09,040 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: Oak Island. Yeah, I've had a lot heard. I didn't 19 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: really know much about it, but it seems like every 20 00:01:13,600 --> 00:01:16,960 Speaker 1: other week someone's saying Oka Island, guys, do Oak Island. 21 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,640 Speaker 1: We're gonna do Oka island. We want everybody to be quiet, 22 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,640 Speaker 1: that's right. So that's what we're doing. Did you know 23 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: much about this ahead of time? No, not at all. 24 00:01:27,120 --> 00:01:29,000 Speaker 1: It's one of those things like you hear about and 25 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:31,360 Speaker 1: you hear a little more and you don't really dig in. 26 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 1: But so the whole thing is just kind of this 27 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:37,920 Speaker 1: neat legend that's kind of out there. Yeah, I don't 28 00:01:37,920 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: know how I missed it. And then once you start 29 00:01:39,680 --> 00:01:44,319 Speaker 1: digging and you're like, uh, I understand you say that 30 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:47,760 Speaker 1: with the skeptical tone. Well, I think this is one 31 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:53,080 Speaker 1: of those cases where there's no treasure. I don't know, 32 00:01:53,240 --> 00:01:55,680 Speaker 1: there's some weirdness, there's some things that make me say 33 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,440 Speaker 1: this is very odd, but I also understand the skeptical 34 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 1: point of view. So well, what I've just kind of 35 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: demonstrated is a little bit of the middle of the 36 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 1: road approach to Oak Island, which is unusual. Most people 37 00:02:10,840 --> 00:02:16,600 Speaker 1: approach Oake Island either as true believe or treasure hunters 38 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 1: or total skeptics. Like, there's not a lot of middle 39 00:02:19,880 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: of the road. It's a divisive island as far as 40 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: islands go. It's only like a hundred and something acres. 41 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: It's not a big island. It's off the coast of 42 00:02:26,880 --> 00:02:31,080 Speaker 1: Nova Scotia. Hundred forty acres. That's not that's not big. Yeah, 43 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:35,079 Speaker 1: But for as small as it is, you know, it's 44 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:38,359 Speaker 1: pretty divisive. Yeah. I don't think. Uh, I don't see 45 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: what the big deal about being skeptical about the I 46 00:02:41,600 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: mean a very treasure. I mean, who cares. Oh, if 47 00:02:44,120 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 1: you're a skeptic, you have to poop pooh everything. Absolutely, 48 00:02:46,720 --> 00:02:50,520 Speaker 1: anything that's even remotely frivolous has to be squashed. But 49 00:02:50,600 --> 00:02:53,960 Speaker 1: this isn't even like supernatural or anything. It's just I mean, 50 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: I guess there's the curse thing. Yeah, that's that's all. 51 00:02:57,560 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: That's all TV. That's not even lower from what i'd 52 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:03,960 Speaker 1: stand up new. It's like literally just a media creation, 53 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: like strictly from the TV show that before that. I mean, 54 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,080 Speaker 1: like people didn't really see it as a curse. There's 55 00:03:10,120 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 1: just buried treasure on Oak Island. Yeah. And if it's 56 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 1: the eighteen hundreds and you're digging for things, there's a 57 00:03:16,200 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: good chance he might die. Yeah, it's dangerous. I read 58 00:03:20,760 --> 00:03:24,359 Speaker 1: this really great article written in nineteen sixty five by 59 00:03:24,400 --> 00:03:27,359 Speaker 1: Mildred rest All. Yeah, read from the New York Times. 60 00:03:27,560 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: No This was in like Ottawa magazine and it was 61 00:03:30,760 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: written by her. Yeah, I read one. It might have 62 00:03:32,880 --> 00:03:35,400 Speaker 1: been the same one. I wonder it was like within 63 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 1: a very short time of her husband and sun dying. 64 00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: I thought, Wow, this ladies really composed. But then I 65 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: read a little further and found out that Mildred Restall 66 00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: and her husband, Robert, who moved their family to Oak 67 00:03:47,520 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 1: Island so Robert could hunt for the treasure in nineteen 68 00:03:50,440 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: fifty nine. I think um started out. They met because 69 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:58,120 Speaker 1: they were both circus performers with nerves of steel who 70 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:03,280 Speaker 1: rode motorcycles in a huge globes fear. Well, he would 71 00:04:03,320 --> 00:04:06,080 Speaker 1: go like upside down and she would go side to side, 72 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: and they would miss each other hundreds of times in 73 00:04:08,680 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: an act. And now after that, I was like, oh, yeah, 74 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:15,839 Speaker 1: this lady, she's tough as nails. Yeah, you never seen 75 00:04:15,880 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: one of those acts. I just didn't realize that that's 76 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:23,760 Speaker 1: what they did, got you, Yeah, and that it seems 77 00:04:23,800 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: kind of odd to have that. I thought it was 78 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:31,600 Speaker 1: a newer act from No, it's totally fifties screams fifties really, Yeah, 79 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:35,680 Speaker 1: see I thought it screened seventies. Oh it does too. Yeah, 80 00:04:35,720 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 1: you're right, sure, yeah, evil kine evil is why that 81 00:04:38,720 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 1: screams that? All right, so let's dive in here a well, yeah, 82 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:45,720 Speaker 1: the rest dolls when they moved to nineteen fifty nine, 83 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,520 Speaker 1: they were hardly the first people that moved to Oak 84 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: Island and set up residents there in order to find 85 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:58,359 Speaker 1: the treasure. But prior to sevent um, Oak Island was 86 00:04:58,400 --> 00:05:02,840 Speaker 1: just another island. Yeah, it's still just another island. Well, 87 00:05:03,200 --> 00:05:06,160 Speaker 1: just because of all of the attention that's been paid 88 00:05:06,240 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 1: to it. It's not it's no longer. It's been changed forever. 89 00:05:09,960 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: Prior to seventeen five, though, it was just like whatever, 90 00:05:13,120 --> 00:05:16,680 Speaker 1: there's Oak Island until a local kid from Nova Scotia 91 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:23,599 Speaker 1: named Robert McGinnis Daniel McGinnis sorry, um, decided to go explore. Yeah, 92 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,560 Speaker 1: and this, Um, you won't find any two people that 93 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:31,360 Speaker 1: agree on these legend stories, even with Daniel mckinnis, because 94 00:05:31,400 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: it's you know, none of the stuff was really written 95 00:05:33,440 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: down until much later. Nothing was written down in sevent 96 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:43,040 Speaker 1: nothing was documented until like the nineteen hundred Well Star 97 00:05:43,120 --> 00:05:47,320 Speaker 1: Trek came along. Certainly things like this weren't documented, um 98 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:50,560 Speaker 1: because he was just a boy. He was sixteen years old. Uh, 99 00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:54,560 Speaker 1: he was on a fishing expedition and uh, as the 100 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,559 Speaker 1: story goes, and we'll just use the most commonly agreed 101 00:05:57,640 --> 00:06:01,960 Speaker 1: upon story here. He was, um, he was just kind 102 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: of trapes around the island and found like a block 103 00:06:05,400 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: from a pulley attached to a tree, an oak tree, 104 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:12,680 Speaker 1: and then a big sort of cleared out area underneath 105 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:16,480 Speaker 1: it where it looked like, uh, you know, someone had 106 00:06:16,520 --> 00:06:19,520 Speaker 1: maybe been digging and reburying something. Yeah, there's like a 107 00:06:19,560 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 1: depression under this block tackle block from a pulley. Yeah, 108 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:24,760 Speaker 1: it was just cleared out. And he was like, huh, 109 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 1: but j anything, there's a pirate stretcher down there. Yeah, 110 00:06:28,640 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: I mean, being a sevent teenager, he was like, there's yeah, 111 00:06:33,880 --> 00:06:36,400 Speaker 1: pirates all are are all over the place. Yeah, and 112 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: it's entirely possible. We're talking the eighteenth century. We're talking 113 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:43,640 Speaker 1: a time when piracy was still very much in the 114 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:47,720 Speaker 1: public imagination. Bury treasure was a hot thing. Yeah, I mean, 115 00:06:47,760 --> 00:06:49,479 Speaker 1: there is such a thing. And at the very least 116 00:06:49,480 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: if no one, if no single pirate ever buried his treasure, 117 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:57,880 Speaker 1: there is a lot of rumor about buried treasure of pirates. 118 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 1: I think it makes total sense. You know that You 119 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: can't carry that stuff around all the time because you 120 00:07:02,800 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 1: get robbed and looted. So you you know, bury that junk, 121 00:07:07,240 --> 00:07:10,040 Speaker 1: come back for it later. Right, make a weird, funny 122 00:07:10,040 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: looking map that looks like a sweaty pillow case and um, 123 00:07:14,520 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: put a big X in the middle of it. So 124 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:19,960 Speaker 1: and then put that in a coffee can and then 125 00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 1: bury that in your backyard. That's right, you gotta bury 126 00:07:22,880 --> 00:07:28,160 Speaker 1: twice because it's so nice. Uh the pirate really can 127 00:07:28,200 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 1: you say like a pirate? No, I did not need 128 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: he would do that. Um, all right, So he starts digging. 129 00:07:33,240 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: He's his interest is peaked. He gets a couple of 130 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:39,480 Speaker 1: friends comes back the next day. Uh, Anthony Vaughan and 131 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:45,320 Speaker 1: John Smith and use him, you think probably? Uh? And 132 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 1: so they start digging. Reportedly go down about ten feet 133 00:07:49,000 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: and found a layer of like a platform of oak logs. Yeah, 134 00:07:52,760 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: which is you're not supposed to find that when you 135 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:58,240 Speaker 1: dig into a hole under a pulley. No, you're not 136 00:07:58,240 --> 00:08:00,480 Speaker 1: supposed to it's not worthy. First they found und a 137 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,640 Speaker 1: stone that they took to be man made, like two 138 00:08:03,680 --> 00:08:05,320 Speaker 1: ft down, and then ten feet down they found an 139 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:10,240 Speaker 1: oak platform and then supposedly every ten feet after that, Uh, 140 00:08:10,280 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 1: they kept finding these platforms. Um, and we'll just go 141 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: ahead and call this the money pit. What's what everyone 142 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: calls it. Yeah, this main location is the money pit 143 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: because just the first Oak platform alone says there's treasure 144 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 1: buried here. That's right. Uh. So basically they, um, they 145 00:08:28,120 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: got down as far as they could for three teenage 146 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:35,240 Speaker 1: boys with picks and shovels and said, uh, this this 147 00:08:35,280 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 1: isn't we're not finding anything and were we need help? Basically, yeah, 148 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,000 Speaker 1: we need to bring in some old timey equipment. Yeah, 149 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:44,840 Speaker 1: bigger tools, gets some old timey funding and maybe get 150 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: some old timey other people involved. And they did, but 151 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: it took like nine years before they came back I think. Yeah. 152 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:52,520 Speaker 1: And they filled it back in because they didn't just 153 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:54,080 Speaker 1: want to leave a big empty hole there. It's an 154 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 1: obvious sign that there's a treasure there. So, like you said, 155 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:00,599 Speaker 1: nine hours later, they did come back, um with investors 156 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:05,840 Speaker 1: nine years later. Now I said years. I will bet 157 00:09:05,880 --> 00:09:10,800 Speaker 1: you all the money on Oak Island that you said ours. Uh. 158 00:09:10,880 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 1: At any rate, it was nine years and they came 159 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:18,400 Speaker 1: back and formed with some funding from the Onslow company. Um, 160 00:09:18,520 --> 00:09:21,439 Speaker 1: and that'll be a common refrain here. Uh, And apparently 161 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:26,079 Speaker 1: I did some writing on modern treasure hunting, and it's 162 00:09:26,120 --> 00:09:28,880 Speaker 1: all about the funding, you know. It's it's just like 163 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:33,760 Speaker 1: any business. You These dudes have boats and equipment, but 164 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:35,800 Speaker 1: they're like, if you want a piece of this action, 165 00:09:36,520 --> 00:09:38,880 Speaker 1: we need some dough out there and find the stuff. 166 00:09:38,880 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: It's like selling future contracts. Yeah, yeah, a potential treasure exactly. 167 00:09:43,559 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 1: And it's not just treasure hunting that does that. Like 168 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:49,760 Speaker 1: lots of archaeological expeditions are funded like that. If if 169 00:09:49,800 --> 00:09:53,840 Speaker 1: your local universities like we got enough problems as it is, 170 00:09:53,880 --> 00:09:56,280 Speaker 1: we can't fund your dig you can go to private 171 00:09:56,280 --> 00:10:01,480 Speaker 1: investors who ultimately it's still treasure hunting. It's just churched 172 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: up church don called archaeological things. So they come back 173 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:11,559 Speaker 1: as the on Slough Company and dig down deeper this time, 174 00:10:11,679 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: and they did find some interesting things, notably things that 175 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 1: shouldn't be there, like coconut fiber and charcoal and putty 176 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:23,560 Speaker 1: and coconuts obviously not native to Nova Scotia. So they're like, 177 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,560 Speaker 1: someone has put something down here. Well yeah, also at 178 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,600 Speaker 1: the time, um coconut fiber was used as a packing 179 00:10:29,640 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 1: material though, so clearly somebody was using it as as 180 00:10:34,520 --> 00:10:40,559 Speaker 1: some sort of construction material wasn't accidentally dropped there there, 181 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:44,600 Speaker 1: that's right. Um, so a legend has it they dug 182 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,440 Speaker 1: down until they hit ninety feet and then found a 183 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: flat stone with a coded inscription that they could not 184 00:10:51,000 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 1: make sense of. Uh. Since then, other people have supposedly 185 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 1: translated it to read forty ft below two million pounds 186 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: are buried. Um, there's no stone today, there's no rubbing, 187 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: there is no photograph. No, it's called the famous cipher Stone, 188 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:10,800 Speaker 1: and it was supposedly lost in like but yeah, there's 189 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:14,200 Speaker 1: no evidence. Yeah, and so anything you run across, like 190 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:18,720 Speaker 1: in a book or on the web or something, is conjecture. No, 191 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:22,720 Speaker 1: there's no document of this cipher stone. But they do 192 00:11:22,800 --> 00:11:27,000 Speaker 1: think that something that accounts for the cipherstone did exist 193 00:11:27,080 --> 00:11:30,079 Speaker 1: at some point, but no one knows for certain exactly 194 00:11:30,080 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 1: what it said. And if you're wondering two million pounds 195 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: of what I assumed that they met British currency, Yeah, 196 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 1: that would be funny. Those just like two million pounds 197 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:44,800 Speaker 1: of pirates scat coconut husks. Uh. So they get down 198 00:11:44,800 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 1: to about close to a hundred feet and then go 199 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,359 Speaker 1: home for the day and and drink rum I would imagine, 200 00:11:51,720 --> 00:11:54,360 Speaker 1: and then come back and it's full of water, and 201 00:11:54,400 --> 00:11:56,560 Speaker 1: they tried to bail it out, but they were basically like, 202 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 1: this is you know seven well, I guess this point 203 00:11:59,520 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: it was eight hundreds, but we're still screwed, right, So 204 00:12:03,360 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 1: the Robert McGinnis and what was the name of the 205 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:11,560 Speaker 1: company came back with the company what what you just 206 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,680 Speaker 1: described as the process that people have followed in the 207 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: troubles that people have run into in the every every 208 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 1: ever since. And we'll talk about some of the following expeditions, 209 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:43,120 Speaker 1: because McGinnis's troubles didn't put anybody else off right after this. Okay, 210 00:12:43,160 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: so Chuck, something really weird happened to the McGinnis expedition, 211 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:50,079 Speaker 1: the second one when he grew up became a man, 212 00:12:50,280 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 1: came back with the Onslow company and dug down became 213 00:12:54,200 --> 00:12:56,920 Speaker 1: a man. They went to bed after drinking a bunch 214 00:12:56,960 --> 00:12:59,400 Speaker 1: of them, like you said, and then they woke up 215 00:12:59,440 --> 00:13:02,959 Speaker 1: and the pit had filled with water. And it's basically 216 00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:07,920 Speaker 1: been filled with water ever since. Yeah, which is a problem. 217 00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,520 Speaker 1: If you're a treasure hunter. You want dry conditions as 218 00:13:10,559 --> 00:13:13,400 Speaker 1: much as possible to get to the treasure. Water is 219 00:13:13,440 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: an impediment UM. And it became such an impediment that 220 00:13:18,040 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 1: ultimately mcginnison on the Onslow company just kind of gave up. 221 00:13:21,920 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: I guess they ran out of funding, right, Yeah, which 222 00:13:24,520 --> 00:13:27,040 Speaker 1: has also been a refrain over the years. You can 223 00:13:27,080 --> 00:13:29,760 Speaker 1: only dig so long until the person eventually who's funding 224 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:34,360 Speaker 1: he says, I'm gonna pull the plug. But years later, UM, 225 00:13:34,400 --> 00:13:39,880 Speaker 1: a question was raised about that flooding. People started to 226 00:13:39,920 --> 00:13:45,480 Speaker 1: wonder was that actually an engineered booby trap? And that's 227 00:13:45,520 --> 00:13:50,319 Speaker 1: become a question among treasure hunters for centuries on. Yeah. 228 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:52,760 Speaker 1: Of course the skeptics will say no, it is just 229 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: uh seawater, because later they found out that it was 230 00:13:56,360 --> 00:14:02,079 Speaker 1: actually saltwater uh and there are other similar underground water 231 00:14:02,400 --> 00:14:05,720 Speaker 1: tunnels on the island. So they're like, no, this is 232 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:08,840 Speaker 1: just going on on this island. And and the believers 233 00:14:08,840 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: will say no, it was a booby drop set by 234 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:14,280 Speaker 1: the pirates. But the believers in this case have a 235 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: kind of strange evidence UM to back up their ideas. 236 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: So in eighteen forty nine, after the mcguinnis expedition, the 237 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:26,800 Speaker 1: second one left many years after UM, the Truro Company, 238 00:14:26,800 --> 00:14:29,320 Speaker 1: which is kind of tough to say, they showed up 239 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: to the island to look for the money pit, and 240 00:14:31,720 --> 00:14:35,880 Speaker 1: they started digging again, right, and when they started digging, 241 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: they ran into the same problem. There the chaft that 242 00:14:38,720 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: they dug filled with water. So they started to think, 243 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:44,040 Speaker 1: we'll wait a minute, maybe this is purposeful at the 244 00:14:44,160 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: very least, maybe there's some sort of sea caves. And 245 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,400 Speaker 1: if there's sea caves that are filling this thing up, 246 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,120 Speaker 1: potentially we could stop up the sea caves and then 247 00:14:52,120 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: we can avoid the water problem and keep digging. So 248 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:57,360 Speaker 1: they sent people from the expedition to look all over 249 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:02,240 Speaker 1: the shoreline of the island and they found something really 250 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: astounding that, from what I understand still to this day, 251 00:15:04,920 --> 00:15:09,240 Speaker 1: is the one thing that confounds all skeptics when it 252 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 1: comes to Oak Island. They found what can really only 253 00:15:12,400 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: be described as a man Maine drainage system that basically 254 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: accepts the incoming tide and potentially funnels the tied to 255 00:15:24,200 --> 00:15:27,960 Speaker 1: the money pit. Yeah. Um, So you know, they they 256 00:15:27,960 --> 00:15:30,720 Speaker 1: continue to dig and drill because they're encouraged by finding 257 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:35,360 Speaker 1: like things they said were metal or maybe even gold 258 00:15:35,400 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 1: on the Augur's um and even more coconut husk. Yeah. 259 00:15:39,920 --> 00:15:41,880 Speaker 1: So they were like, there's something down there, but they, 260 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:43,640 Speaker 1: like you said, it kept flooding and that this is 261 00:15:43,680 --> 00:15:46,440 Speaker 1: when they realized it was seawater and they noticed, hey, 262 00:15:46,480 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 1: it's actually filling up and and falling back down with 263 00:15:50,320 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 1: along with the tides. So that's when they built a 264 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,560 Speaker 1: temporary coffer dam to kind of see what was going on. 265 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: And that's when they found this five finger drain and which, yeah, 266 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: there's really no explanation that didn't just accidentally happen, No, 267 00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: And what gives it away is it's um. It's a 268 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,760 Speaker 1: hundred and forty five ft wide, and it's about the 269 00:16:09,760 --> 00:16:13,720 Speaker 1: height of high the difference between high tide and low tide, 270 00:16:14,120 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 1: so it's clearly meant to funnel the tied into this drain. 271 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,960 Speaker 1: There's five drains. They're obviously finger drains. Finger drains are 272 00:16:21,000 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: like French drains basically, and they all connect into one 273 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:28,080 Speaker 1: larger drain. But the real dead giveaway was the appearance 274 00:16:28,080 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: again of coconut fiber. Coconut fiber was used to keep 275 00:16:31,840 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 1: the sand out of the stone drain um, and a 276 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,560 Speaker 1: layer of coconut fiber on an island off of the 277 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:44,680 Speaker 1: coast of Nova Scotia suggests Man's intervention that's right, but 278 00:16:44,840 --> 00:16:48,440 Speaker 1: what that means who knows. Again, treasure seekers will say 279 00:16:48,480 --> 00:16:52,400 Speaker 1: that they put this to uh keep you from finding 280 00:16:52,400 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 1: that treasure. Right, it was evidence in favor of the 281 00:16:55,320 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 1: idea that the money pit is booby trapped. Yeah, and 282 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 1: I think skeptics will say that the uh. I think 283 00:17:01,120 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: there was a theory that there was a lot of 284 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:08,200 Speaker 1: weird Freemason uh rituals going on, and maybe they buried 285 00:17:08,240 --> 00:17:11,920 Speaker 1: some stuff there and not treasure necessarily, but um, maybe 286 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:14,760 Speaker 1: they built this strain to keep people from digging into 287 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 1: their Yeah. Modern treasure huners are like, great, let me 288 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:21,840 Speaker 1: find whatever the Mason's buried. Yeah, you know, even if 289 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:25,760 Speaker 1: it's not gold ingots could be like, you know, the 290 00:17:25,840 --> 00:17:28,880 Speaker 1: Secrets of the Freemasons, or yeah, the Ark of the Covenant. 291 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,120 Speaker 1: Yeah and all right, they said that could be down 292 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:33,680 Speaker 1: there or the Holy Grail if you want to talk 293 00:17:33,680 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: about some of the legends of what's down there, might 294 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: as well. Okay, So, um, the the the predominant one 295 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,840 Speaker 1: that Robert McGinnis initially thought of was that it was 296 00:17:42,880 --> 00:17:47,800 Speaker 1: pirate treasure because he was a teenager in the seventeen nineties. Right. Um, 297 00:17:47,960 --> 00:17:51,040 Speaker 1: Successive people have come to to see the money pit, 298 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,720 Speaker 1: if it is sabotaged like it is, and the the 299 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:57,960 Speaker 1: construction that went into it is something that would have 300 00:17:57,960 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: had to have been carried out by a group more 301 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:03,119 Speaker 1: sophistic ca did, better funded and better organized than Captain 302 00:18:03,240 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: Kid's crew, more sober at the very least. Yeah, exactly. 303 00:18:06,880 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 1: So one of the rumors of what treasure is buried 304 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: down there is that the Freemasons buried something or the 305 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,199 Speaker 1: Knights Templar buried something, because the Knights Templar, you know, 306 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:23,679 Speaker 1: they were like the militant arm of fundamental Christianity in 307 00:18:23,800 --> 00:18:28,000 Speaker 1: like the the tenth century during pilgrimage is a k 308 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: the Crusades to the Middle East, right, Yeah, so that 309 00:18:31,040 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: means they got a lot of dough over the years, 310 00:18:33,359 --> 00:18:37,960 Speaker 1: they accumulated great wealth, had a big um falling out 311 00:18:38,000 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 1: with the Catholic Church of course. Yes, supposedly they were 312 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: found worshiping Baffa Met, the goat headed breasted Satan, and 313 00:18:47,040 --> 00:18:49,400 Speaker 1: that that's sort of like the statue, right, It's exactly 314 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: like the statue Oklahoma. Yeah, the one that's being constructed 315 00:18:52,840 --> 00:18:55,560 Speaker 1: by the Satanic Temple right now. Yeah, I put that 316 00:18:55,600 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 1: on our Facebook page. It was very divisive I can 317 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:02,119 Speaker 1: imagine no surprise. Um, I thought it was just a nice, 318 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 1: cool looking piece of art. I mean, man, it's pretty 319 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: well done, you know, it looks looked nice. Um. So yeah, 320 00:19:10,080 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: so the Knights Templer has all this dough. They have 321 00:19:11,800 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: a falling out with the Catholic Church for obvious reasons 322 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 1: that you just pointed out, and then they buried their treasure. 323 00:19:18,160 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 1: So I guess the Catholic Church wouldn't get their hands 324 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:23,560 Speaker 1: on it, right. But among that treasures supposedly is the 325 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:27,879 Speaker 1: Holy Grail, which is what um the Knights were looking 326 00:19:27,920 --> 00:19:30,840 Speaker 1: for in Monty Python and the Holy Grail and the 327 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: Ark of the Covenant, which is what Indiana Jones is 328 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: looking for in Indiana Jones and uh, no raiders have 329 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:40,280 Speaker 1: the Lost arc Um. And so some people have said, 330 00:19:40,600 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: this is where the Knights Templar buried their treasure, this 331 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:45,920 Speaker 1: is where the Ark of the Covenant is. Then other 332 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,720 Speaker 1: people have said, whatever, the Knights Templar never made it 333 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 1: to Nova Scotia. But the Freemasons obviously took over the 334 00:19:53,240 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: secrets and protections of the Knights Templar. They're like the 335 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 1: modern day Knights Templar society, and and uh they probably 336 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:05,160 Speaker 1: buried the arc and or the Holy Grail. Duh. Yeah, 337 00:20:05,200 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: And apparently a lot of Mason's have been on these 338 00:20:08,280 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: excavation teams over the years, which of course is evidence 339 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:16,119 Speaker 1: that they're looking for their their old stuff, right or 340 00:20:16,359 --> 00:20:19,720 Speaker 1: I mean, it also is entirely possible that there is 341 00:20:19,760 --> 00:20:22,480 Speaker 1: a rumor among Masons that this is true. Whether it's 342 00:20:22,560 --> 00:20:27,159 Speaker 1: true or not, that could have gotten some Masonic adventures 343 00:20:27,280 --> 00:20:31,679 Speaker 1: to go. Look. You know. Another theory um that's been 344 00:20:31,720 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: thrown out there is that um Marie Antoinette uh, during 345 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 1: the French Revolution said got all her jewelry together and 346 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:41,879 Speaker 1: gave it to a woman and said flee, and she 347 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:46,360 Speaker 1: fled to Nova Scotia. And then the French navy came 348 00:20:46,400 --> 00:20:51,040 Speaker 1: along and constructed this elaborate system to bury her jewels. 349 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:55,919 Speaker 1: There's another little uh possible theory and supposedly evidence that 350 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,359 Speaker 1: backs that up, is that the woman who was given 351 00:20:59,400 --> 00:21:01,640 Speaker 1: the jewels, who was entrusted with the jewels, was spotted 352 00:21:01,640 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 1: in Nova Scotia some time after that. What was she 353 00:21:05,080 --> 00:21:09,879 Speaker 1: doing there burying jewels? Another unusual Nova Scotia link is 354 00:21:10,080 --> 00:21:13,840 Speaker 1: um that of Francis Bacon. Yeah, I like this one. 355 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:16,600 Speaker 1: So remember Francis Bacon from the scientific method. He was 356 00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: the guy that really first put that down in written form. 357 00:21:20,840 --> 00:21:24,600 Speaker 1: Brilliant man. Possibly Shakespeare. That's one of the theories is 358 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,600 Speaker 1: that he was the real Shakespeare. And the idea is 359 00:21:27,680 --> 00:21:32,440 Speaker 1: that that he hid his manuscripts in the money pit 360 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,880 Speaker 1: on Oak Island, And that seems kind of far fetched. 361 00:21:35,880 --> 00:21:40,879 Speaker 1: But apparently Francis Bacon owned land in Nova Scotia. Yeah, 362 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:45,520 Speaker 1: and um, he was a preserver of things in mercury 363 00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:51,440 Speaker 1: and supposedly they found flasks of mercury on the island. Um. 364 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,239 Speaker 1: I don't buy that one because I've always believed that 365 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: Shakespeare was Shakespeare and not Francis Bacon or his sister 366 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:03,000 Speaker 1: or in the other very is uh crackpot theories about 367 00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 1: who really wrote that stuff. I like Francis Bacon and Shakespeare, 368 00:22:07,040 --> 00:22:10,479 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, yeah, just the thought of it, or like, 369 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: do you think the evidence is Uh, I don't know 370 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:14,760 Speaker 1: about the evidence. I don't know enough about it, but 371 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:16,600 Speaker 1: I like the thought of it. It seems like a 372 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:20,080 Speaker 1: pretty cool dude. Uh. So some of the other um 373 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 1: treasure hunters started flocking there in the mid to late 374 00:22:24,760 --> 00:22:28,560 Speaker 1: eighteen hundreds because that was just a big time for 375 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:32,160 Speaker 1: treasure hunting. Yeah, well the California gold Rush is going 376 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: on in this is why the forty Niners are called that. 377 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: That's right, and uh, I think there's kind of a 378 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 1: treasure fever, yeah, going through the land. That's a good 379 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 1: way to say it. So, um, the Eldorado Company in 380 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: eighteen sixty six went out there, and they there were 381 00:22:49,640 --> 00:22:51,760 Speaker 1: various methods over the years to try and block off 382 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: the flow of water. They tried digging shafts and tunnels, 383 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,160 Speaker 1: they tried to divert it, they tried to intercept it 384 00:22:58,840 --> 00:23:03,679 Speaker 1: um and basically all that ended up doing was causing 385 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: a nightmare for future expeditions, to the point where people 386 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,440 Speaker 1: had had had a hard time even finding the original 387 00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 1: money bit to begin with. Right, A lot of the um, 388 00:23:14,800 --> 00:23:18,520 Speaker 1: A lot of the landmarks, I guess you'd call them, 389 00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 1: we're just utterly destroyed. Supposedly in that article I read 390 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,800 Speaker 1: from um Mrs re Restall, she said that there's no 391 00:23:27,080 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: there weren't any more oaks on Oak Island, any longer trees, Yeah, 392 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:35,240 Speaker 1: which because of excavation, just tore them all down. Yeah, 393 00:23:35,520 --> 00:23:37,880 Speaker 1: so it would be very tough to find your way 394 00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:42,320 Speaker 1: around if whatever directions were written at a time when 395 00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: there were plenty of oak trees and used oak trees 396 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 1: as guides, like go to this oak tree and turn left. 397 00:23:48,280 --> 00:23:51,680 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, so um, yeah, the excavation has definitely 398 00:23:51,760 --> 00:23:55,600 Speaker 1: changed the face of that island tremendously. Uh. One thing 399 00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:58,640 Speaker 1: we do have that is tangible um as far as 400 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:00,360 Speaker 1: I don't know if you call it evidence or not, 401 00:24:00,640 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: because it really doesn't say much. But Frederick Blair in 402 00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: nine in the eighteen nineties came with the Oak Island 403 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,919 Speaker 1: Treasure Company and he actually found something that still exists. 404 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:14,679 Speaker 1: That's a little bitty tiny piece of parchment paper and 405 00:24:14,720 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 1: it looks like a curse of letters v I are 406 00:24:17,320 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 1: on it, But I mean it's small, and it really 407 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,960 Speaker 1: leads to nothing other than something man made? Is there 408 00:24:26,520 --> 00:24:28,720 Speaker 1: v I? You know, I don't think anyone's any conjecture 409 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:35,040 Speaker 1: about what that means. Six maybe six billion pounds buried 410 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:39,760 Speaker 1: six feet down right, who knows? Um. And then the 411 00:24:39,800 --> 00:24:43,399 Speaker 1: twentieth century has seen or saw since we're in the 412 00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:47,440 Speaker 1: twenty first century now, successive waves, pretty constant waves of 413 00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:51,160 Speaker 1: people coming, yeah, looking for the Oak Island Treasure UM. 414 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 1: One of them was a young Franklin Delano Roosevelt, who 415 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 1: also was a mason. Yeah, he came along as an 416 00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,919 Speaker 1: investor and apparently um always pining to go back to 417 00:25:02,440 --> 00:25:05,600 Speaker 1: Oak Island to search for the treasure, like it got 418 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:09,520 Speaker 1: in his blood. All right. So after this message break, 419 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:12,080 Speaker 1: we are going to look at a few more of 420 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 1: the things that have been discovered there over the years 421 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:32,040 Speaker 1: and what this all means. So Chuck I was saying, 422 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: the twentieth century saw a wave after a wave of 423 00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:40,520 Speaker 1: treasure hunter come dig and then leave penniless. One of 424 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: those people though that, And we also talked about how 425 00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:46,320 Speaker 1: Oak Island has been utterly changed. Probably nobody changed the 426 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,680 Speaker 1: topography and geography of Oak Island more than a guy 427 00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: named Robert Dunfield, who was a an engineer I believe, 428 00:25:54,160 --> 00:26:00,399 Speaker 1: or no geologist in he built a bridge of a 429 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:04,600 Speaker 1: highway yeah causeway, yeah, from the mainland to Oak Island. 430 00:26:04,880 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 1: And right after he did that, right after it was completed, 431 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:12,399 Speaker 1: he started moving heavy equipment in and just started digging 432 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:16,000 Speaker 1: like crazy. Yeah. He got down a hundred feet I'm sorry, 433 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:20,440 Speaker 1: a hundred forty down a hundred feet wide and kept 434 00:26:20,480 --> 00:26:24,840 Speaker 1: everything a secret until two thousand three, and didn't they 435 00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,160 Speaker 1: didn't find a lot. They found some porcelain dishwaar from 436 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: the sixteen hundreds, which is you know, what was that 437 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: doing there could find for sure the early um. But 438 00:26:35,080 --> 00:26:38,000 Speaker 1: he of course didn't find a lot either ultimately in 439 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,080 Speaker 1: the way of riches because um, he kept having problems 440 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:47,399 Speaker 1: despite his machinery with collapsing uh, caves, heavy rains, more tide, 441 00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:50,439 Speaker 1: water and um. But he did say there was a 442 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: cavern under some limestone. He did confirm one of these 443 00:26:54,160 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 1: underwater cavern rumors. Supposedly, Yeah, its accounts for potentially a 444 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 1: natural formation if you're a skeptic, if you're a believer, 445 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:10,000 Speaker 1: then it just confirms the booby trap thing. Um. He 446 00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,800 Speaker 1: uh finally left after basically he was the guy who 447 00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:19,879 Speaker 1: demolished the most landmarks. Um. But shortly after he left 448 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 1: a pair of guys who formed what's called the Triton Alliance, Uh, 449 00:27:24,440 --> 00:27:28,119 Speaker 1: David Tobias and Dan Blanket Ship. Uh. They started working 450 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: and they actually brought along some high tech stuff in 451 00:27:30,880 --> 00:27:36,000 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy which was like underwater camera video camera. It's 452 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,760 Speaker 1: probably the size of a small car, right that they 453 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,520 Speaker 1: lowered down there and uh, they well, they drilled a 454 00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,840 Speaker 1: hole and they called it borehole ten X and they 455 00:27:44,880 --> 00:27:47,040 Speaker 1: it was filled with water, of course, as all holes 456 00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,000 Speaker 1: in Oak Island do. But they lowered this underwater camera 457 00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:53,439 Speaker 1: down there and they swore to God that they saw 458 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:58,720 Speaker 1: evidence of human remains and treasure tests. That's what they said. 459 00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:03,640 Speaker 1: They Whether you're convinced or not, Um Tobias and Blanketship 460 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:08,439 Speaker 1: were convinced enough that to No, Blanketship still lives on 461 00:28:08,480 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 1: Oak Island. Yeah, he he became sort of the uh, 462 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 1: the main guy that remains today as the main guy. 463 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:18,240 Speaker 1: And this is seventy when they showed up. He's still 464 00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,640 Speaker 1: on that island and he's supposedly he's oh yeah, yeah, 465 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,600 Speaker 1: he's pretty easy old. No, but it was the nineteen 466 00:28:24,640 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 1: seventies when they showed up and he still lives there. No, 467 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:31,359 Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying he is. He's an old feller. 468 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,120 Speaker 1: We hammered that out. He's apparently an ordinary feller. Two, 469 00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:38,160 Speaker 1: because there was another guy named Fred Nolan, who is 470 00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:43,320 Speaker 1: a famous Oak Island explorer, UM who Well, they ran 471 00:28:43,360 --> 00:28:48,520 Speaker 1: a foul of one another, apparently, Um Blankenship had a 472 00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:52,920 Speaker 1: rifle obviously in his hand during the argument, and the 473 00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: cops had to come out and take the rifle away. Yeah, 474 00:28:56,000 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: and supposedly now nobody is allowed on Oak Island, although 475 00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:04,680 Speaker 1: I guess there you can if you're filming a TV show. Um, 476 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: except for Dan Blanket Ship, who's the only resident. Well 477 00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:11,479 Speaker 1: he's part of the TV show okay, so he was like, 478 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,480 Speaker 1: come on, um, yeah, what's that history channel? I think 479 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, there's a couple of the people 480 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:24,680 Speaker 1: he's working with today, uh Rick and Marty Lagina. Um. 481 00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:28,080 Speaker 1: I think are brothers from Michigan, and they are the 482 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:31,320 Speaker 1: subject to the TV show, which I'll have to check 483 00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: out at some point. Um. But that's supposedly where the 484 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,880 Speaker 1: curse came from? Is that show? Oh? Where had the really? Yeah? 485 00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: I did not know that, So it's it's been a 486 00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:46,440 Speaker 1: present since last year. Um. Frederick Nolan also is the 487 00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: one who discovered, um, five large cone shaped boulders that 488 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:53,680 Speaker 1: when you look at it above, looks like a cross, 489 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:56,920 Speaker 1: and it is forever known as Nolan's Cross. What does 490 00:29:56,920 --> 00:30:00,600 Speaker 1: it mean? Who knows? Maybe the boulders which is sort 491 00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: of a in the shape of a cross by accident, 492 00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: but well, fred Nolan bought five plots of land bottom, 493 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:09,760 Speaker 1: so he was a resident there, an inhabitant there too. 494 00:30:09,760 --> 00:30:13,200 Speaker 1: I'm not sure what happened Old Fred Nolan though, Yeah, 495 00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:15,560 Speaker 1: I'm not sure that's a good point. He may have 496 00:30:15,600 --> 00:30:18,920 Speaker 1: been lost to the curse of Oak Island. So we 497 00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,160 Speaker 1: we keep using like present tense, like it's a It's 498 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:26,120 Speaker 1: entirely true, as anyone with History Channel knows, there's still 499 00:30:26,600 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 1: people who are looking actively for the treasure of Oak Island, right, 500 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: Like they believe that if you put all the evidence together, 501 00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:42,640 Speaker 1: Nolan's crossed coconut fibers, the finger drains, um, the evidence 502 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: from Blanketship and Tobias their video of stuff, Like, if 503 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: you put all this together, there is evidence that there 504 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 1: is treasure down there. Somebody just needs to dig deep 505 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,560 Speaker 1: enough in the right place and then bam, they're gonna 506 00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: find it. Right Yeah, I mean, man, it's they dug 507 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:03,240 Speaker 1: so though and so wide. How how much deeper could 508 00:31:03,280 --> 00:31:06,600 Speaker 1: they have gone back in the pirate days? You know, 509 00:31:07,280 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: it just seems very unlikely to me there's any treasure there. Well, 510 00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:12,200 Speaker 1: then you would be in the skeptics camp and you 511 00:31:12,200 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: would definitely not be alone. Uh yeah, but skeptic thinking 512 00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,680 Speaker 1: there may have been something buried or some weird thing 513 00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 1: going on there. But I don't know about treasure. Who 514 00:31:24,280 --> 00:31:28,000 Speaker 1: knows though, Uh. Skeptics will also say these are natural 515 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:33,160 Speaker 1: sinkholes instead of traps like we said earlier. Um. They 516 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,520 Speaker 1: will also say things like, you know, there's all kinds 517 00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 1: of underground caverns around here. There's nothing special. I don't 518 00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:41,840 Speaker 1: know what they say about finding things like porcelain plates. 519 00:31:42,720 --> 00:31:46,720 Speaker 1: I didn't see anything like that. But you know, when 520 00:31:46,720 --> 00:31:51,760 Speaker 1: he when the stone has lost, this inscripted stone, Um, 521 00:31:51,960 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 1: when there's no evidence really the point to except this 522 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: tiny piece of parchment paper, like, I don't know, it's 523 00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,600 Speaker 1: pretty flimsy. Well, none of the excavations started to be 524 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:05,000 Speaker 1: documented until the nineteenth century, So all of mcguinness's early 525 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 1: work is all based on hearsaying conjecture. It's all up 526 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:12,640 Speaker 1: for debate. Whether he was a teenager. Um was the 527 00:32:13,400 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: the tackle block for the pulley? Was that added to 528 00:32:17,040 --> 00:32:21,120 Speaker 1: the story later on? Um? If so, then all of 529 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,920 Speaker 1: a sudden that that depression under the tree branch just 530 00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:28,240 Speaker 1: becomes a depression under a tree branch. You know. The 531 00:32:28,280 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 1: pulley was the thing. It's it's excuse my physics joke, 532 00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 1: but the full crumb of this whole thing, you know. 533 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,960 Speaker 1: So Um, if you if you start to look at 534 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 1: it on its face, all of this legend, you realize 535 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:45,720 Speaker 1: that most of it is just legend, and that the 536 00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:48,880 Speaker 1: only real physical evidence is that scrap of parchment paper 537 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: that no one even knows whether that was planted or not. Well, yeah, 538 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: that's That's one of the things skeptics often say, is 539 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,520 Speaker 1: that anything you found there is could have been planted 540 00:32:58,680 --> 00:33:01,800 Speaker 1: just to get money to fund the digs, right, Like, look, 541 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 1: we found this, uh, this parchment and this porcelain plate, 542 00:33:06,360 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: and there's some gold dust on our auger. Did we 543 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,960 Speaker 1: mention the coconut fiber and the coconut fiber again? Right, 544 00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:16,600 Speaker 1: so send us another like I don't know, tin mill, yeah, 545 00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 1: and we'll keep digging, right, So, uh, there you have 546 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,240 Speaker 1: it Oak Island again, though, those those finger trains are 547 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:28,360 Speaker 1: just weird. Yeah, that's weird for sure. It's cool. What 548 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 1: who did what they're Yeah? Basically they just need to 549 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:34,160 Speaker 1: like strip mine the entire island all the way down 550 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,520 Speaker 1: there you go. I don't know why anyone I thought 551 00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,920 Speaker 1: of that yet. Yeah, just completely strip it of all 552 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:45,360 Speaker 1: its natural beauty right until it's nothing left and this 553 00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: strug your shoulders afterwards, say there's nothing here, right, Yeah, 554 00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:53,880 Speaker 1: go man. If you want to know more about Oka Island, 555 00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,600 Speaker 1: apparently you can watch a weekly television show on it. 556 00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:59,440 Speaker 1: You can also type Oak Island into the search bar. 557 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: How stuff works. And since I said search parts, time 558 00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:07,760 Speaker 1: for listener mail, I'm gonna call this poison ivy. Follow 559 00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:11,719 Speaker 1: up from JB. Guys have an interesting story about how 560 00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,319 Speaker 1: you can get poison ivy from more than just touching it. 561 00:34:14,719 --> 00:34:17,040 Speaker 1: When I was eight or so, we lived in California 562 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,879 Speaker 1: had a big fireplace. One day, we decided to get 563 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:21,640 Speaker 1: our own firewood from outside and got a couple of 564 00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,840 Speaker 1: big logs my sister. We were both at about seven 565 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: at the time. Uh we She and I used the 566 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,200 Speaker 1: fire to rose marshmallows and mixed moors. Great night right. 567 00:34:31,640 --> 00:34:33,919 Speaker 1: An hour or so later, one of my sisters came 568 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:36,560 Speaker 1: into my parents room things. She couldn't breathe. Her face 569 00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,959 Speaker 1: had swollen to twice its normal size, and her eyes 570 00:34:38,960 --> 00:34:41,719 Speaker 1: were shut. Her throat was barely able to pass air 571 00:34:41,760 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 1: through it. An emergency room trip and a shot or 572 00:34:43,960 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: to a steroids later, she was okay, but it took 573 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:48,720 Speaker 1: a while to find out what happened. Apparently the poison 574 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 1: ivy had been removed from the logs we got, but 575 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:53,040 Speaker 1: the sap was still in the wood, and when we 576 00:34:53,120 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 1: burned them, the sap was present in the smoke, and 577 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,680 Speaker 1: my sister was highly allergic and hailed it. Got it 578 00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,080 Speaker 1: in her throat and lungs and it blew up her 579 00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:04,239 Speaker 1: face like a red balloon. Best side note of this, 580 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 1: we had passport photos the next day We're moving to Germany. 581 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:10,600 Speaker 1: So her passport pick was a giant red swollen balloon face. 582 00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:15,680 Speaker 1: That is JB and Fort So, Oklahoma. Way to go, JB. 583 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,120 Speaker 1: That was a good story. You get the blue ribbon 584 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:20,360 Speaker 1: for it. And I guess she had that passport photo 585 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: for a full decade unless she just had it retaken. 586 00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,440 Speaker 1: Would you would you live with that passport photo? No, 587 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,680 Speaker 1: I told you what. I think it'd be funny except 588 00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:31,920 Speaker 1: for the whole You know, this doesn't look like you 589 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 1: think that'd be a drag. It would be a huge drags, 590 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,799 Speaker 1: a like the hassle. Yeah, but I'm I'm well known 591 00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: in my family for making funny faces. Anytime I have 592 00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: a photo idea of any kind taken just for fun, 593 00:35:46,080 --> 00:35:51,640 Speaker 1: I've always done it. That is so fun. Emily likes it. 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