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Speaker 1: And welcome to Wednesday's and a Big Blue Kickoff live

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Speaker 1: here on giants dot Com. Here's Jeff Fiegel's I'm Lance Medo.

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Speaker 1: Good to be with you in the next sixty minutes.

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Speaker 1: you could also interact with us on Twitter hashtag giants Chat.

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Speaker 1: Day two of mandatory minicamp will go over the ins

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Speaker 1: and out, so also get your feedback on the phones

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Speaker 1: as well as on Twitter and just notes correct, it

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Speaker 1: is mandat for it to be emphasized. But everybody was

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Speaker 1: in the mix yesterday, so no different today. Though there

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Speaker 1: were some injury news and notes that Pat Shermer made

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Speaker 1: the media where Sterling Shepherd's dealing with a wrist injury.

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Speaker 1: They do not think it's serious at all. Uh Sam

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Speaker 1: Bill had a personal obligation so that's why he was

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Speaker 1: not taking part in practice and Jabrill Pepper is getting

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Speaker 1: some dental work. So those were just some news and

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Speaker 1: notes around the roster. But once again, the risk injury

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Speaker 1: for Sterling Shepherd not being characterized as any serious injury,

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Speaker 1: so that's certainly yeah, that's a good thing when you're

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Speaker 1: fiver you in your hand, I would say it's fairly available,

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Speaker 1: fairly important. Yes, you know this time things happen. It's football,

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Speaker 1: and you just you always hope that it's not serious

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Speaker 1: and sounds like it's not, so that's good. And you

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Speaker 1: don't want to see guys go down at any time

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Speaker 1: during the course of the offseason period, because this is

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Speaker 1: a key time for everybody. Get on the field, get animated,

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Speaker 1: get acclimated in any other word that you want to

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Speaker 1: throw out with respect to this offense, and I think

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Speaker 1: from hearing what Mike Shula and Pat Shermer had to

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Speaker 1: say so far during minicamp, they're extremely encouraged that this

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Speaker 1: team is taking strides. Jeff, and I know I'm probably

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Speaker 1: not telling anybody anything new. You should feel optimistic, but

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Speaker 1: I thought Mike Schula made a key point about the

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Speaker 1: offensive line and how that group has come along, and

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Speaker 1: that the rest of the offense can feed so much

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Speaker 1: on the fact that on the right side now they

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Speaker 1: have two veterans who they feel really good about, Kevin

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Speaker 1: Zeitler guard as well as Mike Rembers at right tackle,

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Speaker 1: and if they can solidify that side, it could do

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Speaker 1: wonders or not just the running game, but you know

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Speaker 1: what they can open up in terms of asking Eli

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Speaker 1: Manning to do in the passing game as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I said it all along. I think that you know,

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Speaker 1: there's no there's no substitute for experience in the National

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Speaker 1: Football League, and you've got it now. So you've got

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Speaker 1: three really established veterans Nate Solder included in the group.

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Speaker 1: You just said, Um, you've got a Hernandez who's coming

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Speaker 1: this is this. It starts up front. We all know

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Speaker 1: that Dave Gentleman has always told you he loves the

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Speaker 1: hog Mollies. Well you know what he's he's building the

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Speaker 1: hog Mollies and they're they're gonna they're gonna be much improved,

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Speaker 1: which then trickled down effect is that the offense will

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Speaker 1: run more productively. The run game will work, play action

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Speaker 1: more time to throw the football to whoever he wants.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, they've got a good cast of

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Speaker 1: characters out there catching football. Well. Speaking that, that brings

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Speaker 1: me to the next point. Eli spoke to the media

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Speaker 1: today and to me His most insightful answer was specifically

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Speaker 1: about Corey Coleman, Jeff, and coming into this season, you

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Speaker 1: look at Sterling Shepard, Golden Tape Okay one and two

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Speaker 1: there's Corey Coleman, and Eli hit on an important note.

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Speaker 1: He said, Corey Coleman joined the team last year mid year,

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Speaker 1: and it's difficult when you're asking a wide receiver and

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Speaker 1: And he even indicated and mentioned to Eli, when I

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Speaker 1: building the offense. Because there's so much turnover on this

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Speaker 1: So those his tendencies as a wide receiver and vice

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Speaker 1: I mean there's a lot of competition at that ride

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Speaker 1: And then Slayden is in the mix now when they're

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Speaker 1: points because we think this is going to make us

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Speaker 1: a consistent and productive offense. But I think it's more likely,

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Speaker 1: in my opinion, I could see the offense because of

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Speaker 1: what they did in the final four games. Jeff, if

432
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Speaker 1: that is an indication of what they plan on doing

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Speaker 1: and improved offensive line, I think it's reasonable to say

434
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Speaker 1: can they improve by two to three points? Yeah, I

435
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Speaker 1: don't think that's crazy. The question is can the defense

436
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Speaker 1: makeup as much ground with to your point, who on

437
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Speaker 1: that pass rush is scaring opposing offensive lines? We've got

438
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Speaker 1: to put our attention there. Marcus Golden to me, has

439
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Speaker 1: a lot of upside. Twelve and a have sacks, but

440
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Speaker 1: you know, let's see him get back to that level.

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Speaker 1: He's still working his way back from the torn a

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Speaker 1: c L. You know he's now gonna be two years

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Speaker 1: removed from that. You hope that he can get his

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Speaker 1: legs back on through him after that. It's a lot

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Speaker 1: of young guys who've got potential, but how quickly are

446
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Speaker 1: they going to tap into that? And and and they

447
00:21:17,480 --> 00:21:20,359
Speaker 1: certainly can't. They're you know, they're they're in the National

448
00:21:20,400 --> 00:21:23,399
Speaker 1: Football League for a reason. Um, they're here to play,

449
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Speaker 1: and you know, everybody is different. Some guys aren't aren't

450
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Speaker 1: going to do it, But you could be pleasantly surprised

451
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Speaker 1: at some of these young guys. Dexter Lawrence May he

452
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Speaker 1: may come from the inside and give you nine sacks.

453
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Speaker 1: Who knows, you don't know, um, but it has to happen.

454
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Speaker 1: You've got to get more pressure than you did last year,

455
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Speaker 1: especially when you're in football games like the Giants who

456
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Speaker 1: were last year and couldn't get after their quarterback and

457
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Speaker 1: they lose those games. I mean, that's his bottom line

458
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Speaker 1: is you're gonna have to improve on that statistic immediately

459
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Speaker 1: in order to get better. Some of these numbers, their numbers,

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Speaker 1: you know the Pro Football Focus guys love numbers and

461
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Speaker 1: statistics and all this kind of stuff. I think it

462
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Speaker 1: all turns it also the numbers, the number, but there's

463
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Speaker 1: a lot of factors that go into it. Who's the

464
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Speaker 1: teams you're playing? What's the turnovers? Okay? Are you? Are

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Speaker 1: you a very opportunistic team? Hello? Lands right there? Okay,

466
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Speaker 1: are you a guy? Are you a team that's actually

467
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Speaker 1: going out and you're getting turnovers and you're not turning

468
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Speaker 1: the ball over those turn in too winning formulas to

469
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Speaker 1: win games? And maybe you're still but you're winning turnover

470
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Speaker 1: battles every single game and you're winning game. So I

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Speaker 1: don't know, Well, you and I love to have conversations

472
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Speaker 1: over turnover differential, because I think it's a flukey statistic,

473
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Speaker 1: but I also think that it's sometimes is a telling

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Speaker 1: stat Jeff, which is what you were alluding to about

475
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Speaker 1: covering up some of your shortcomings and providing you some pattings.

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Speaker 1: So I've got the numbers from last season, do you? Yes?

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Speaker 1: I do. How convenient I bring up my charts on

478
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Speaker 1: key year one, James Betcher's defense, they had one takeaways,

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Speaker 1: and technically that includes special teams too, so it's not

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Speaker 1: really appropriate to just say James Betcher's defense. But twenty

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Speaker 1: one takeaways nineteen turnovers, so it's a turnover differential of

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Speaker 1: plus two. They finished tied for thirteen in the NFL. Now,

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Speaker 1: in terms of turnovers, they were tied for eleventh fewest

484
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Speaker 1: at nineteen and takeaways fifteenth most in the NFL, So

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Speaker 1: we're talking about the middle of the pack. Essentially, you

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Speaker 1: can talking about plus two ratio, which is good. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: plus two, you'll take you have no complaints about that,

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Speaker 1: But I also think that you've got to look at Okay,

489
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Speaker 1: here's how the takeaways were broken down though, Jeff. You

490
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Speaker 1: had one game where you had four takeaways that was

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Speaker 1: against the Bucks and This is where the numbers can

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Speaker 1: get skewed a little. Okay, one four takeaway game, then

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Speaker 1: you had two three takeaway games back to back against

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Speaker 1: the Bears in the Redskins, So that means that the

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Speaker 1: Giants had ten of their twenty one takeaway half of

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Speaker 1: their takeaways essentially came in the span of four games.

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Speaker 1: And it was also right after the buy weren't very

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Speaker 1: active in the first half of the season. The reason

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Speaker 1: why it got back to respectability is they did a

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Speaker 1: good job protecting the football in the second half of

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Speaker 1: the season and they were a little bit more opportunistic.

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Speaker 1: So that's why you look at plus two and you're like, oh,

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Speaker 1: the Giants must have been a very strong team all

504
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Speaker 1: season long. They were inconsistent, they were very up and

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Speaker 1: down and that, and of course, you know you can't

506
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Speaker 1: do this, but for just for discussionary purposes, if you did,

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Speaker 1: then Matt and they didn't get any of those turnovers

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Speaker 1: in those games, you know that's mine that there would

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Speaker 1: be minus hate. Yeah, if you take that away. No, really,

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Speaker 1: it's not fair to do that, but he tells the

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Speaker 1: story a little bit. No, But Jeff, here's why it's fair.

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Speaker 1: In my opinion. Let's go back and look at the

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Speaker 1: games they had the four takeaways against the Bucks, Jamis Winstead,

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Speaker 1: if you were calling that game, they got possession with

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Speaker 1: a few seconds to go and he threw the ball

516
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Speaker 1: deep down the field and he was picked off. But

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Speaker 1: that was a field goal game. So if you don't

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Speaker 1: have one of these takeaways, and if memory serves me correctly,

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Speaker 1: one of the takeaways put the Giants. I want to

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Speaker 1: say on like the five yard line. It was an

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Speaker 1: interception by Fitzpatrick that was very close. Ogle Tree actually

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Speaker 1: maybe even scored a touchdown in that contest. He did

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Speaker 1: score touchd scored a touchdown. So you actually one of

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Speaker 1: the takeaways put points on the board. So to your point,

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Speaker 1: you take away takeaway, you may lose that game. The

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Speaker 1: Bears game went overtime. Yeah, three takeaways in that game,

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Speaker 1: ogle Tree again, remember that that defense was a takeaway machine.

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Speaker 1: Bear correct. Fortunately the Giants only had one turnover manning interception.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, they've had games where they'll take away three

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Speaker 1: or four times and they'll score two touchdowns. And Whiskey

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Speaker 1: was actually pretty good. Whiskey remember didn't play though that game.

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Speaker 1: You're right, he was good throughout the season, but Chase

533
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Speaker 1: had to start the game and he just himself well.

534
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Speaker 1: But the Bears still fought their way back and forced

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Speaker 1: overtime despite all of that, And I remember there was

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Speaker 1: one play and this just goes to show you, which

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Speaker 1: is why I'm happy you brought this up, Jeff. While

538
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Speaker 1: you don't love to play the game, the KULDO would

539
00:26:10,960 --> 00:26:12,439
Speaker 1: have should a game because that's what we're doing. But

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Speaker 1: if you remember, Chase, Daniel had an through an interception

541
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Speaker 1: in that game that Ogul Tree picked off where he

542
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Speaker 1: like he reached up and if Daniel put it an

543
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Speaker 1: inch higher, it goes over Ogil Tree's head and it's

544
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Speaker 1: a touchdown because it was a perfectly thrown football. So

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Speaker 1: that's the difference between winning and losing games sometimes in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. Yeah, and the Giants saw that firsthand. How

547
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:37,199
Speaker 1: many games were decided by the very last possession for

548
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Speaker 1: the opposition, four four or five games you can go

549
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Speaker 1: through there. I mean the Colts and the Cowboys game

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Speaker 1: to end the season, the Bears game we just talked

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Speaker 1: about going to overtime. The Eagles game came down to

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Speaker 1: the wire even though the Giants had a sizeable lead

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Speaker 1: in the first half. Philly came back won by a

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Speaker 1: field two. Tampa Bay was a game decided by a

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Speaker 1: field called the Niners game. Remember Nick Mullen storing an

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Speaker 1: interception to seal it. That was another one that went

557
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Speaker 1: back and forth. So I mean tons of games were

558
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Speaker 1: decided by a play here or play there. I think

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Speaker 1: you know, when you talk about the team where the

560
00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,280
Speaker 1: improvement needs to come, it's certainly has It's certainly on

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Speaker 1: the defensive side. I mean, hands down. If you said

562
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Speaker 1: you can only pick one thing and you say what

563
00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: is it, I would say defense. The defenses has to improve.

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Speaker 1: I remember I can only say one, so you can't

565
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Speaker 1: go any further than that. It's gonna be the defenses

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Speaker 1: has to be. The improvement. Offensively, yeah, you can improve,

567
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,160
Speaker 1: but pick up where you left off. For God's sakes,

568
00:27:35,200 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 1: I mean, she're the last four games of the season,

569
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Speaker 1: you were close to thirty points a game, So that's encouraging.

570
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Speaker 1: And that was without thirteen, by the way, and it

571
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: will be without him now. And it was a healthy

572
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Speaker 1: Evan Ingram. Yes, that's important to note as well. That

573
00:27:50,680 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: is going to be huge if he can stay healthy,

574
00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,800
Speaker 1: because he just adds another element to that passing game

575
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Speaker 1: in the middle of the field and being able to

576
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Speaker 1: stretch that defense a little bit and take us are

577
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Speaker 1: off the outside because you can just dump that ball

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Speaker 1: down to Evan Ingram in the middle. You know, and

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Speaker 1: if you if you're, if you're doing that effectively, those

580
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Speaker 1: safeties and linebackers have to respect that, and um puts

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Speaker 1: those cornerbacks on a little island out there, if you're

582
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Speaker 1: if you know what I mean. And you know, and

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Speaker 1: I think that Sterling Shepherd certainly has the speed to

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Speaker 1: get out down the field. You know, Listen, nobody's nobody's

585
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Speaker 1: as fast as as O'Dell um. But these guys are

586
00:28:25,320 --> 00:28:27,720
Speaker 1: pretty capable of getting it done. Now, Now, Golden Tate,

587
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:30,959
Speaker 1: I think I think the Giants fans are gonna are

588
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,639
Speaker 1: gonna slowly get used to this guy. This guy is

589
00:28:33,680 --> 00:28:36,479
Speaker 1: really effective. I think the word effective is is what

590
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Speaker 1: I'm looking for, because you know, he's not a he's

591
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: not a game like a big time game guy. But

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Speaker 1: you know, he's a possession guy, like he just loves

593
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Speaker 1: to get yards after the catch. I believe he led

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Speaker 1: the National Football League and yeah, you know, so he's

595
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Speaker 1: just get the ball in his in his hands and

596
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: he'll make some plays. You know, he's able to outrun people,

597
00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: and he's a tough dude, and um he'll miss some

598
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: make people miss. No, he's a strong asset. There's no

599
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Speaker 1: with that about that. Because of his versatility, they can

600
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Speaker 1: move him around. Two zero, one four or five one

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Speaker 1: three is the telephone number. You give us a ring

602
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: at that number. You could also chime in at hashtag

603
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,600
Speaker 1: giants chat on Twitter. We're gonna throw in some tweets

604
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,760
Speaker 1: along the way, but we also want to hear from

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00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 1: you on the phone. Lines will work in both because

606
00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: I see a lot of questions piling in on Twitter.

607
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:22,760
Speaker 1: And let's see from A J at A J. Marshall three.

608
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Speaker 1: Don't sleep on undrafted free agent wide receiver Reggie White Jr.

609
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,520
Speaker 1: He has at a Monmouth someone to keep an eye on,

610
00:29:29,720 --> 00:29:33,320
Speaker 1: big bodied wide receiver who has been making plays. And

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Speaker 1: that's the one thing that when we were talking about

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Speaker 1: the receiving corps, we did not discuss the fact that

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Speaker 1: if there's anything maybe missing is that big bodied guy

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00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: could be that target in the corner of the end

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Speaker 1: zone or something like that. And I agree Reggie White

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Speaker 1: does have the build to do that. I just think

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Speaker 1: he's got a tough group of receivers to have to

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Speaker 1: surpass in order to make this roster. And it's Slate

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Speaker 1: is tall too, right, I mean, I mean Slate and

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Speaker 1: has that he's sort of he has size. It's it's

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Speaker 1: not as if he's a small guys. I'm bringing up

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Speaker 1: the heights so that we're accurate in terms of the

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Speaker 1: full breakdown here we're listening Darius Laying on our website.

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Speaker 1: It's six one. Yeah, that's that's good. That's good for

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Speaker 1: a good receiver. Good size for a receiver. You know

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Speaker 1: that Listen, Golden Tate and Sterling Shepherd are under six

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Speaker 1: ft and white is it six too? That's a good one.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean every inch helps in that department,

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Speaker 1: especially if you're going up against some bigger corners within

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Speaker 1: the division. And Evan Ingram in six four, that's a

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Speaker 1: big one. I need he needs to be healthy and

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Speaker 1: he needs to be active in that in that red zone.

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Speaker 1: I have to utilize him. They really do. And I

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Speaker 1: think last year, and this is my opinion, that you

635
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Speaker 1: saw what this offense could do without Odell Beckham in

636
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Speaker 1: the huddle, and I feel like that's going to continue um,

637
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 1: guys just feel I just feel like they're they're they're

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Speaker 1: just comfortable. They're not having to question you know, when

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Speaker 1: he was there and you know, is he going to

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Speaker 1: get the ball? And you know, I know he's the

641
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: guy and he's gonna get it again. And they worked

642
00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:09,200
Speaker 1: well without him last year. And then, don't get me wrong,

643
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 1: I think that you know, you're missing a huge component

644
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 1: from Odell Beckham, but you know, obviously it's worked and

645
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 1: now they're going to continue to get better. This team.

646
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,480
Speaker 1: I just think they're gonna I think they'll they'll produce.

647
00:31:20,600 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 1: I think they'll function better that this has happened. Well.

648
00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:28,080
Speaker 1: The versatility that you put on the field helps your quarterback,

649
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: it helps your offensive line because you've got a lot

650
00:31:31,280 --> 00:31:35,120
Speaker 1: of playmakers behind them, and it keeps the opposing defense

651
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:38,959
Speaker 1: on its toes. And when you limit those guys in

652
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,360
Speaker 1: terms of their on field production by not even being there,

653
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:44,440
Speaker 1: of course, you know, now you become a little bit

654
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 1: more predictable. So when you add Angram, who's healthy back

655
00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: onto the mix you already have Barkley, you're now adding

656
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: golden tap sterling shepherd, and then you mix in a

657
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,480
Speaker 1: Corey Coleman or a laddermer. You know, once again, now

658
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 1: if you spread the wealth within this offense, Jeff and

659
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: I don't envision one guy really running away with things

660
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,560
Speaker 1: this season. I think it's there's gonna be games where

661
00:32:06,560 --> 00:32:08,600
Speaker 1: Tait's the guy. There's gonna be games where angrams a guy.

662
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,840
Speaker 1: Who's gonna be games where Shepherd's the guy, And that's fine,

663
00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: there's nothing wrong with that. I I think that adds

664
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,920
Speaker 1: a little bit more danger to what the Giants are

665
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,880
Speaker 1: gonna present other defense, and also spreads the wealth. There's

666
00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: gonna be You're not gonna have a guy with ninety reception.

667
00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: You're gonna have a lot of guys with sixties seventy

668
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:28,440
Speaker 1: eight across the board. And you know you're gonna be

669
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:31,640
Speaker 1: able to game plan better. I mean some some sometimes

670
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,120
Speaker 1: the defense will will You'll be able to run better

671
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:39,040
Speaker 1: offensively against this defense with this personnel package. That's what's

672
00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 1: all about matchups. So there's gonna be a game where

673
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: Golden Tape matches up better against this coverage. Okay, that

674
00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,920
Speaker 1: this defense runs and he's gonna get a majority of

675
00:32:48,960 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: the the catches this game. But that's okay, that's okay.

676
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:56,160
Speaker 1: There's no drama with it. There's no in the meeting

677
00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,520
Speaker 1: rooms like who's gonna get the ball and those thing. Now, remember,

678
00:32:58,560 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: receivers are divas. They all are, okay, if I mean

679
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 1: I've been I've been around him all for years and

680
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: years and years. It's the one position group that it's

681
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:10,080
Speaker 1: the most drama you've ever seen. But if you can

682
00:33:10,080 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: curtail that a little bit and get everybody on the

683
00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:16,000
Speaker 1: same page, then it can be wonderful. It really can.

684
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:18,320
Speaker 1: And I I really like this group of guys. I

685
00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:20,880
Speaker 1: think that they're they want to I mean Sterling Shepherd

686
00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: of course is the veteran guy, and at the Giants,

687
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:26,479
Speaker 1: Golden Tate is the veteran of the group. But Golden

688
00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: Tate is a is a worker. He's a guy that

689
00:33:28,680 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: wants to play. He wants to win. That's good to

690
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: have for these younger guys to learn from. It's a

691
00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:36,880
Speaker 1: good mix too. I like it. I think he got

692
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:41,600
Speaker 1: different experienced players across the board, so you know, everybody

693
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: to your point could take a little bit from everyone else.

694
00:33:44,040 --> 00:33:45,840
Speaker 1: The other thing, you don't have to worry about it

695
00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 1: in this group right now. Contracts. Sterling Shepherd has just

696
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: signed a contract. Golden Tate has done for his continent,

697
00:33:51,760 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: you know, brought him in, so there's no there's not

698
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:55,800
Speaker 1: gonna be any talk about money and all this kind

699
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:58,400
Speaker 1: of stuff that goes along with it. Always seems that

700
00:33:58,480 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: there's that type of talking of why receiver room, I

701
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 1: need more money, I'm not the highest paid guy, why

702
00:34:04,520 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 1: is this guy getting this? And it's just the drama

703
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 1: that keeps going, and it just it just just distracts

704
00:34:10,440 --> 00:34:12,560
Speaker 1: from what the common goal of the team is trying

705
00:34:12,560 --> 00:34:15,000
Speaker 1: to get done, and that's not going to be there.

706
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,319
Speaker 1: That's a good thing. And I think part of that

707
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: is Jeff because you just don't have that type of

708
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:24,000
Speaker 1: personality in the room, that number one, clear cut wide

709
00:34:24,000 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: out who you know automatically gets labeled and ranked accordingly.

710
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,879
Speaker 1: I think Golden takes a solid receiver. Don't get me wrong.

711
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: It's not me downgrading his abilities, but I don't think

712
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:36,440
Speaker 1: anybody's putting him in the conversation of Antonio Brown and

713
00:34:36,480 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 1: Odell Beckham and Julio Jones, which is fine because you

714
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,120
Speaker 1: could still win in this league and you can still

715
00:34:42,160 --> 00:34:44,080
Speaker 1: be productive even if you don't have one of those guys.

716
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 1: Look at the New England Patriots have the Patriots during

717
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,440
Speaker 1: Tom Brady's tenure, with the exception of a Randy Moss briefly,

718
00:34:50,640 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: have they had, you know, that big time personality at

719
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:56,960
Speaker 1: the wide receiver spot. No, they've had a bunch of

720
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: guys that go out, play hard, grind it out, convert

721
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 1: on third down, move the chains, get in the end

722
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 1: zone and by the way, to have a really good

723
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 1: tight end. They've had a slot receiver. But it just

724
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: goes to show you there are other ways to strengthen

725
00:35:14,000 --> 00:35:15,839
Speaker 1: your team. I guess that's what I'm trying to share,

726
00:35:15,920 --> 00:35:18,400
Speaker 1: other than saying you have the number one guy and

727
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 1: he's gonna draw the double teams and if you don't

728
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 1: have him, oh you're gonna be in trouble. Well, you know,

729
00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,799
Speaker 1: New England's had a lot of complementary pieces who have

730
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:29,960
Speaker 1: fit well into the puzzle. To zero five one three.

731
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: That is the telephone number. Let's head back to the

732
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 1: phone lines. We've got Charlie cho Portland, Maine. Let's happened? Hey, Hey, um,

733
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: I just wanted to talk a little bit. You guys

734
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:46,600
Speaker 1: were talking about are you guys talking about it? Seems

735
00:35:46,640 --> 00:35:51,080
Speaker 1: like it really stuck with you. Turnovers right, correct turnovers,

736
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 1: the takeaways yeah, well, I think if you if you

737
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:57,840
Speaker 1: go and check your records and see the top teams

738
00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,160
Speaker 1: with turnovers, I think you see they come in batches.

739
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 1: They don't just like they have one turnover and then

740
00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:09,080
Speaker 1: sixteen games they have sixteen. It doesn't work that way.

741
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: They have them in batches. That's the whole point. They

742
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:15,000
Speaker 1: always seem to be that way. A team gets three

743
00:36:15,080 --> 00:36:16,759
Speaker 1: or four in a game, or two or three in

744
00:36:16,800 --> 00:36:18,799
Speaker 1: a game, then they don't get any in the next game,

745
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: and then they get I mean, that's the nature of

746
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,959
Speaker 1: truon everse. Well, I mean, off the top of my head,

747
00:36:25,040 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: I know for a fact, the Bears were not like that.

748
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: And Jeff, you brought up the Bears defense. If you

749
00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 1: go back Charlie and watch the Bears defense, they pretty

750
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 1: much had at least one takeaway in just about every

751
00:36:33,040 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: single game. Now, great that there's gonna be games where

752
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 1: they had none, but if you do the law of average,

753
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:42,399
Speaker 1: Chicago last season had thirty six takeaways. So thirty six takeaways. Yeah,

754
00:36:42,440 --> 00:36:44,839
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some games where they've had three or four,

755
00:36:45,280 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: but for law of average sake, they were having about

756
00:36:48,040 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: one or two a game. And that's a big reason

757
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 1: why they finished with a turnover differential because I brought

758
00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:54,680
Speaker 1: up the numbers. They were plus twelve, the best team

759
00:36:54,680 --> 00:36:58,919
Speaker 1: in the NFL last year with Seattle at plus fifteen. Yeah. Yeah,

760
00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: and I guess who beat the Bears did well, But

761
00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 1: it was also a highly contested game which went over time.

762
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,000
Speaker 1: That's how I forget about that too. And the other

763
00:37:09,040 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: thing is is like, yeah, it's nice having, you know,

764
00:37:12,640 --> 00:37:17,200
Speaker 1: mediocre wide receivers or good wide receivers, but it's also

765
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,280
Speaker 1: nice having a talent that is out of this world.

766
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,640
Speaker 1: And we're gonna we're gonna miss O'Dell. You know, I

767
00:37:24,680 --> 00:37:27,080
Speaker 1: know everyone doesn't want to admit that, and they just

768
00:37:27,120 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: want to think of everything is going to be Charlie.

769
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,200
Speaker 1: I don't think everybody feels that way at all. People

770
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 1: understand they're gonna miss his production. I mean that's the

771
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: first thing people say is, well, don't don't get me wrong,

772
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: they're gonna miss his production. What they're not going to

773
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: miss is that theatrics and the drama and all the

774
00:37:42,000 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: other stuff that comes with it. There wasn't any drama

775
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 1: in the locker room. Everybody loved them. The only drama

776
00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: was in the front of office because they couldn't handle

777
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: having somebody with personality that is a little bit outspoken.

778
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:58,520
Speaker 1: You know that that's the problem. And you know there's

779
00:37:58,520 --> 00:38:00,400
Speaker 1: a lot of teams that look at Dalus, look at

780
00:38:00,400 --> 00:38:03,480
Speaker 1: Holly On the players they've had that were totally off

781
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:06,439
Speaker 1: the wall, but they handled them, you know, they took

782
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 1: care of them because they were because they gave something

783
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,759
Speaker 1: to the team, you know, And you know, I just

784
00:38:12,840 --> 00:38:15,600
Speaker 1: see it. It's like, yeah, you know, everyone's not going

785
00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,880
Speaker 1: to be you know, Barkley. You know, everyone's not going

786
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: to have that personality, you know, and you got you

787
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: gotta have talent, and different talent comes in different packages.

788
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: And for Odell, you know, he's a he's a different guy.

789
00:38:30,120 --> 00:38:31,520
Speaker 1: You know, he didn't go to the O T A

790
00:38:31,640 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 1: S in Cleveland. Did they all freak out about it?

791
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:37,239
Speaker 1: You know, with the meteor on him every second. I

792
00:38:37,280 --> 00:38:39,560
Speaker 1: mean one way, I'm glad he's out of New York

793
00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: because it would have been just a disaster, just they

794
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: were any little thing that guy did, if he picked

795
00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: his nose, it would have been front well. But Charlie

796
00:38:46,320 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: in fairness hold on. Freddie Kitchens addressed the media yesterday

797
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 1: because Oldell showed up for mandatory minicamp. But to your point,

798
00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,920
Speaker 1: it actually was equivalent to the New York coverage because

799
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:58,320
Speaker 1: everybody was questioning why he wasn't there during O T

800
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,120
Speaker 1: S and Freddie Kitchens had to ask questions all the time,

801
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:03,880
Speaker 1: and listen, it's voluntary. I'm not saying that O'Dell is

802
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,880
Speaker 1: wrong for not being a O T S. I mean,

803
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,239
Speaker 1: he showed up for mini camp. But I disagree with

804
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 1: you saying that now he's out of New York that

805
00:39:10,040 --> 00:39:11,960
Speaker 1: the coverage is not going to be the same. Coverage

806
00:39:11,960 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 1: has actually been identical. Reporters have been all over that

807
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: story in Cleveland. Yeah, but it's well, you can, you

808
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: can make all the jokes you want, but I hate

809
00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,240
Speaker 1: what people think that New York is ten times different.

810
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,160
Speaker 1: The bottom line is, you don't think Cleveland's got media outlets,

811
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:30,600
Speaker 1: radio stations, social media presence. They need something to talk about,

812
00:39:30,719 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: and all they've been talking about all offseason is when

813
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,480
Speaker 1: zoeell gonna show up? Is he gonna arrive at mandatory

814
00:39:35,520 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 1: mini camp? That went on for weeks. Yeah, but the

815
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:41,280
Speaker 1: thing is that you had bakers step up and say, hey,

816
00:39:41,520 --> 00:39:44,080
Speaker 1: he he he'll know everything, He'll be here when he's here.

817
00:39:44,320 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 1: And I'm fine with it. And what do you think, Charlie,

818
00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: hold on when O'Dell was here, when when did you

819
00:39:49,080 --> 00:39:51,319
Speaker 1: hear a teammate of O'Dell's grunt to the media and say,

820
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,920
Speaker 1: oh the audacity for they were extremely supportive of him

821
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: as well. What's the difference, That's what I'm saying. Well,

822
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 1: but well, that's my point is there's not much of

823
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 1: a difference with Cleveland and New York. That's my point. Well,

824
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,399
Speaker 1: I guess, I guess the point is is that we

825
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:09,760
Speaker 1: think or people think they're going to make up for Adell.

826
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,160
Speaker 1: They're never going to make up for Odell. Yeah, we're

827
00:40:12,160 --> 00:40:14,200
Speaker 1: gonna get you know, we're gonna get some production out

828
00:40:14,239 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 1: of two or three or four guys, which is what

829
00:40:16,560 --> 00:40:19,080
Speaker 1: we're going to have to do. And you know, and

830
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,520
Speaker 1: I understand that him and Barkley, they're gonna like really

831
00:40:22,640 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: fall hard on him to do everything pretty much. But

832
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:29,400
Speaker 1: you know that's fine. And Charlie, let me ask you

833
00:40:29,400 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: a question. Do you think they can win games? I

834
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,120
Speaker 1: think they can. You're just like you said, Jeff, if

835
00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:38,160
Speaker 1: if this defense comes together, we're gonna win a lot

836
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,080
Speaker 1: of games. We're gonna be pushing for a playoff birth,

837
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:45,120
Speaker 1: whether it's wild card or the division. You know, Hey,

838
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:48,680
Speaker 1: Trent Williams might be available, bring him in. I'd get

839
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:50,160
Speaker 1: him in the heart beat if he wants to get

840
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: Charlie hesitate on that one. I actually I'm surprised you

841
00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: didn't lead off the phone call with that, kind of

842
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 1: disappointed that you didn't just go right to the main

843
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: reason why you called up. You know, Charlie, wouldn't you

844
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:03,600
Speaker 1: want him? I'd give a third round pick. Well, and

845
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 1: let me ask you this, Where is Trent Williams going

846
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:09,879
Speaker 1: to play on your offensive line on the right side? Oh,

847
00:41:10,080 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 1: and I'm sure he'd be more than happy. After his

848
00:41:12,440 --> 00:41:15,320
Speaker 1: entire career at left tackle. Nothing would make him more content.

849
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 1: They're just lining up on the right. I think I

850
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,879
Speaker 1: think he would be. He would, Charlie. I think you're

851
00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: onto something. I think Trent Williams is going to see

852
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: your light and tomorrow's gonna wake up and say, you

853
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,960
Speaker 1: know what, I want to be a right tackle. Whoever

854
00:41:30,000 --> 00:41:32,279
Speaker 1: is the better player? If if he be, if he

855
00:41:32,280 --> 00:41:35,719
Speaker 1: could be outsolder than yea? And where are you on

856
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:39,279
Speaker 1: the bench a million a year? Whatever? Of course, yeah,

857
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:40,920
Speaker 1: on the bench. He's on the right side. He's on

858
00:41:40,960 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 1: the right side, okay. And then where are you putting remors? Now?

859
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,239
Speaker 1: Where you putting remors? Now? You're putting him on the bench.

860
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:49,080
Speaker 1: Twing tackle. He's he's a swing tackle, Okay, So you

861
00:41:49,080 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: bring him in when you need it, like remors is

862
00:41:51,440 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: a luxury. Now, I've got a great idea for you.

863
00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 1: I don't know where your vacation. Every year, you know

864
00:41:59,400 --> 00:42:04,319
Speaker 1: State ACA. Let me just tell you something. The offensive line.

865
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,560
Speaker 1: They have a big camp every year these offensive lineman.

866
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 1: You should go to that camp and just hang out there.

867
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: Can you imagine him attempting to coach up the offensive lineman.

868
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: I want to see how much they'd actually listen. I

869
00:42:16,239 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: want him to go and tell them how much he

870
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,600
Speaker 1: They should appreciate how much you are in there? Did

871
00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 1: You're in their court all the time? That's right, that's right.

872
00:42:24,080 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 1: The agent, I'd probably players become my agent. I'll be

873
00:42:28,640 --> 00:42:31,680
Speaker 1: their agent. Well, no, but you know what I'd rather see.

874
00:42:31,680 --> 00:42:34,279
Speaker 1: If I'm a free agent, I'd want Charlie to represent me.

875
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,759
Speaker 1: But Jeff wants you're on the Giants and he if

876
00:42:36,760 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: he gets annoyed with you after two games, you don't

877
00:42:39,239 --> 00:42:42,120
Speaker 1: want him represent to you. Because he's trying to oust you, Charlie,

878
00:42:42,120 --> 00:42:44,439
Speaker 1: you're not trying to help the guys. Best part of

879
00:42:44,719 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: Williams if he ends up leaving, guess who Guess who

880
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:49,680
Speaker 1: the guy they got to slot in to take his place,

881
00:42:49,920 --> 00:42:53,359
Speaker 1: Eric Flowers, it's perfect. Well, I'm sure they're gonna bring

882
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 1: in some other guys if they and and that's assuming

883
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: they part wais Trent Williams under contract, Charlie and appreciate

884
00:42:58,520 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: the phone call. Yeah, he always love the insight out

885
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:05,240
Speaker 1: of Charlie. And and just to provide some context, there's

886
00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:08,800
Speaker 1: reports that surface today that the Redskins starting left tackle

887
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:13,120
Speaker 1: Trent Williams, multi Pro bowler, it's not. Initially the report

888
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:17,320
Speaker 1: was that he may not he may want a new contract.

889
00:43:17,400 --> 00:43:20,359
Speaker 1: That was what the report was. Today the report came

890
00:43:20,400 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 1: out that he's not happy with how they handled him

891
00:43:23,000 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 1: from a health perspective, so he's irritated with the team

892
00:43:26,200 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: and he may be demanding a trade. But all of

893
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,160
Speaker 1: that is speculation at this point. There's nothing hardcore to

894
00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:33,760
Speaker 1: say that he has demanded it, nor that they're getting

895
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:35,279
Speaker 1: to the point where they're gonna look to move him.

896
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 1: And I don't think the Redskins journal rushed the part

897
00:43:37,840 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 1: ways with a Pro Bowl left tackle. I'll tell you

898
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:41,439
Speaker 1: that I don't think the Giants are in a rush

899
00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: to replace their left tackle they have. I think that's

900
00:43:43,600 --> 00:43:45,359
Speaker 1: a fair statement as well. So now that we got

901
00:43:45,360 --> 00:43:46,839
Speaker 1: that out of the way, Charlie's not gonna be able

902
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 1: to sleep well at night. Hopefully the rest of you

903
00:43:48,320 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 1: will to zero five, one three. Norris is in Brooklyn,

904
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:54,440
Speaker 1: New York. Norris, Welcome to Big Blue Kig Golf Live.

905
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:59,399
Speaker 1: What do you have and what's Jeff Um actually listen

906
00:43:59,440 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 1: to the program and I heard Charlie coming on, and

907
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:02,960
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know what, I gotta call in because

908
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,279
Speaker 1: I agree with this guy. Um, Well, that would make

909
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:09,720
Speaker 1: one of us when it comes when it comes to Odell,

910
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: I feel like he does get at he always did

911
00:44:11,680 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 1: get a bad rep and we're be definitely gonna miss

912
00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 1: a guy. Um. But he wasn't like, uh, you know,

913
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: like Jeff said that you know you you get rid

914
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 1: of the headache even though you've missed the tarrant. I

915
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:23,320
Speaker 1: feel like he never really gave any major headache to

916
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:25,919
Speaker 1: the to the team. You don't know that. You do

917
00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:28,680
Speaker 1: not know that, Norris, or does Charlie or do a

918
00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:31,520
Speaker 1: lot of people. I'm just telling you, so who Okay,

919
00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 1: I understand that makes sense, But who wouldn't that wouldn't

920
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,120
Speaker 1: it be the players and the people who will kind

921
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:37,960
Speaker 1: of round them. And they've never once, you know, really

922
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: said anything like that. Would they say something a media thing?

923
00:44:41,480 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? The media coverage in Cleveland

924
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:46,480
Speaker 1: is definitely gonna be different than New York. There's no

925
00:44:46,520 --> 00:44:47,960
Speaker 1: way you can kind of compare it to it them all.

926
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,839
Speaker 1: But so far, Norris, listen, Norris, there's somebody that's covered

927
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 1: the league and Jeff, I don't mean to cut you off.

928
00:44:52,200 --> 00:44:54,440
Speaker 1: I'll let you expand on your answer. As somebody that's

929
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,800
Speaker 1: covered the league overall, Nors, I could tell you and

930
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,880
Speaker 1: I've been following the Freddie Kitchens, Odell Beckham stories comments.

931
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,640
Speaker 1: It has been a media circus in Cleveland over the

932
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: last few weeks, determining when he's gonna show up, whether

933
00:45:05,520 --> 00:45:08,200
Speaker 1: it's going to be a distraction to me. It basically,

934
00:45:08,239 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 1: it's it's me reminiscing about what I experienced here in

935
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: New York. It's really I can understand it. But then

936
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,799
Speaker 1: wouldn't you does not just prove a point that it's

937
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:20,640
Speaker 1: not really the player and it's just a media machine

938
00:45:20,680 --> 00:45:22,759
Speaker 1: doing that. It's not really about the players. The media

939
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: saying listen, you want to call the controversy. No, it's not,

940
00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 1: it's listening. He the controversy is that, and and and

941
00:45:30,280 --> 00:45:32,920
Speaker 1: Lances said it. You have every opportunity. It's up to

942
00:45:32,960 --> 00:45:34,480
Speaker 1: you if you want to come to the the o

943
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,279
Speaker 1: t a s okay, But he's not there. And I'm

944
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,359
Speaker 1: not saying that he you know, it's up to him.

945
00:45:41,360 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: It's a voluntary one, okay, But you know what, enough

946
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,719
Speaker 1: with the voluntary things, okay. I mean, if you're on

947
00:45:47,760 --> 00:45:49,520
Speaker 1: a team and the rest of the team is here,

948
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 1: you should be here. You really should. There isn't anybody

949
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,879
Speaker 1: missing from the Giants on voluntary voluntary camp. What's okay?

950
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: So odell? He's odell if he's got to do this

951
00:45:58,760 --> 00:46:01,120
Speaker 1: or that every once this or you know, maybe misses

952
00:46:01,160 --> 00:46:03,680
Speaker 1: one here and one there. But he's not there at all.

953
00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 1: And I don't and I don't get I don't And

954
00:46:06,600 --> 00:46:09,040
Speaker 1: I understand about all. I need to go train with

955
00:46:09,080 --> 00:46:11,560
Speaker 1: my guy and I gotta go do this and this,

956
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 1: But isn't that all about me? Isn't that all about

957
00:46:14,840 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 1: I gotta go train because I gotta do this and this.

958
00:46:17,440 --> 00:46:19,360
Speaker 1: You're a new player on a new team with a

959
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: new system. You're not that smart to go in there

960
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: and know that playbook left and right. I can tell

961
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: you right now. They're so big and thick, so it

962
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:30,720
Speaker 1: just sends a bad signal. So that's where the media

963
00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 1: jumps in, and he's sending that signal, therefore they jump

964
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:37,239
Speaker 1: all over it. That's what it is. I've listening to

965
00:46:37,239 --> 00:46:39,120
Speaker 1: you guys for years, and you guys always say the

966
00:46:39,160 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 1: same thing. No one's gonna be talking about who wants

967
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,319
Speaker 1: to practice in the screen. Yeah, I always say that,

968
00:46:44,400 --> 00:46:47,200
Speaker 1: Norris and and I'm and I'm still standing behind that.

969
00:46:47,480 --> 00:46:49,719
Speaker 1: I don't. I think that's a little bit different than

970
00:46:50,080 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 1: what Jeff is pointing out. My argument is, while it's

971
00:46:53,480 --> 00:46:55,880
Speaker 1: important to be here during the course of the off season,

972
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 1: whether it's voluntary or mandatory, I still would see that

973
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,560
Speaker 1: what we're talking about now in the big picture of things,

974
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:04,480
Speaker 1: whether it was Odell Beckham on the Giants or the

975
00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:07,479
Speaker 1: Browns come week five, I really don't think it's gonna

976
00:47:07,520 --> 00:47:09,319
Speaker 1: make that big of a difference. I think right now

977
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 1: everything is at the forefront, because what do we have

978
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,879
Speaker 1: to talk about there is no regular season games, they're

979
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: not putting on the pad, so every move, every press

980
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:21,000
Speaker 1: conference is amplified as a result of that. But but

981
00:47:21,080 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: you're right a few months from now. I always say this,

982
00:47:24,760 --> 00:47:26,600
Speaker 1: And it was the same thing with when any player

983
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:30,319
Speaker 1: for the Giants would skip a voluntary workout complain to

984
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 1: me week five, and you remember what went on when

985
00:47:33,239 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: you were complaining in the middle of the June and

986
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: whether or not it's a priority now for you. And

987
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:38,920
Speaker 1: it's not like we don't know that he's one of

988
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:40,319
Speaker 1: the best in the game. It's not like we don't

989
00:47:40,320 --> 00:47:42,400
Speaker 1: know that his work. I think is is practically a match.

990
00:47:42,560 --> 00:47:45,680
Speaker 1: And I mean, I'm you know, I'm a giant dad guy, right,

991
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: and I mean, obviously I'm a little bit of that

992
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,120
Speaker 1: we got a player like Odell. Well, we could have

993
00:47:49,160 --> 00:47:51,439
Speaker 1: had Odell and the rest of the team looking great,

994
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:53,319
Speaker 1: but it is what it is at this point. So

995
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,439
Speaker 1: he gets a bad rap almost for no reason, because

996
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,080
Speaker 1: the guy is kind of just doing this thing. He

997
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,040
Speaker 1: still has other parts of his life, other parts of

998
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 1: the business he's working on. And if he has a

999
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:03,200
Speaker 1: voluntary workout that he can choose to go to and

1000
00:48:03,320 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 1: choose not go too. He shouldn't necessarily be crucivard for

1001
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:07,360
Speaker 1: doing it. And it's kind of the same pressure that

1002
00:48:07,360 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: you would get and when he was here with us,

1003
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:10,359
Speaker 1: So what kind of thinks that you know, those things

1004
00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: kind of equated to him being forced out in New

1005
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,719
Speaker 1: York and leaving the team. Um, but that was all

1006
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,520
Speaker 1: I want to say on that. And UM, I can't

1007
00:48:16,520 --> 00:48:18,000
Speaker 1: wait to see the season. I hope that we do

1008
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:19,799
Speaker 1: get see a little bit of dail Jones. I mean,

1009
00:48:19,800 --> 00:48:22,080
Speaker 1: I'm seeing him in in you know whatever media coverage

1010
00:48:22,120 --> 00:48:24,240
Speaker 1: is getting an ots right now, and he looks active.

1011
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,160
Speaker 1: When when we first picked him, it was kind of

1012
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: like a shocker. Um, but it is what it is now,

1013
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 1: So we'll see. We'll see without equates to And I'm

1014
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:34,680
Speaker 1: appreciate you guy to take thanks so much for waiting in.

1015
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,359
Speaker 1: I think what you were hitting on, Jeff, which is

1016
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,600
Speaker 1: I think a little bit different than the second point

1017
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:41,719
Speaker 1: that the caller made about the big picture perspective. What

1018
00:48:41,800 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 1: happens now really is not going to be detrimental to

1019
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,080
Speaker 1: the team, and I always emphasize that, But if you're

1020
00:48:47,160 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: claiming that the media, which is what the last caller

1021
00:48:50,239 --> 00:48:55,560
Speaker 1: was emphasizing, the media drums up the speculation and the controversy.

1022
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:57,959
Speaker 1: And I don't want to put words in your mouth, Jeff,

1023
00:48:58,000 --> 00:49:00,080
Speaker 1: but if you don't show up, all you're doing is

1024
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,640
Speaker 1: you're basically adding fuel to the fire to make them

1025
00:49:02,680 --> 00:49:07,359
Speaker 1: continue to write about that storyline. One hundred percent. You

1026
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:12,080
Speaker 1: continue to fuel the fire by not being there. That's

1027
00:49:12,160 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: what you want. Keeps the story out, it keeps you act,

1028
00:49:15,760 --> 00:49:19,319
Speaker 1: it keeps you relevant when you're there, and you're there

1029
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:22,399
Speaker 1: every single day like you. I believe you should be.

1030
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 1: I'm listen. I can say this. I played this game

1031
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:29,719
Speaker 1: a long time and did this professionally and and and

1032
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:33,719
Speaker 1: really took it serious. You should be there, Okay. You

1033
00:49:33,800 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: have enough time in the off season to do what

1034
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:38,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna do. Okay, this is just part of football.

1035
00:49:38,360 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 1: That's why you get paid twenty million dollars a year.

1036
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 1: Just be there for you, for your teammates, be there

1037
00:49:44,400 --> 00:49:47,200
Speaker 1: for the organization. It's not asking that much. You get

1038
00:49:47,200 --> 00:49:50,359
Speaker 1: the weekends off, Freddie, Can I have next Friday off?

1039
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 1: I've got a photo shoot in l A. Absolutely, go

1040
00:49:53,440 --> 00:49:55,879
Speaker 1: do it. Are you gonna be here Monday through Wednesday? Yeah?

1041
00:49:55,880 --> 00:49:57,279
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be here for three of the four O

1042
00:49:57,400 --> 00:50:00,319
Speaker 1: T A s this week. Awesome, odell go and do

1043
00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,319
Speaker 1: what you gotta do on Friday. That's awesome, Okay, But

1044
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,719
Speaker 1: my point is the whole it's just it's just the

1045
00:50:07,800 --> 00:50:10,720
Speaker 1: way it works is that when you're not there, people

1046
00:50:10,760 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 1: are asking why the press wants to know and it's

1047
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,719
Speaker 1: just a big it's just a big circus. Yeah, it's

1048
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,160
Speaker 1: a constant narrative that's never going to end because if

1049
00:50:19,200 --> 00:50:22,640
Speaker 1: you're here, they can't then Jeff continue to run with

1050
00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:26,399
Speaker 1: the headlines of all of a sudden he's not here,

1051
00:50:26,800 --> 00:50:29,439
Speaker 1: because he's here, so they got to look for something

1052
00:50:29,440 --> 00:50:31,920
Speaker 1: else to write about exactly. And you know what I

1053
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:36,160
Speaker 1: think from a pr standpoint, and you know, you just hope,

1054
00:50:36,200 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: you just wish it wouldn't happen. You just don't want

1055
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 1: to deal with it. And I can tell you that

1056
00:50:40,200 --> 00:50:43,319
Speaker 1: every organization is different, but there are some organizations that

1057
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:45,359
Speaker 1: are set in their ways. They've been around a long time.

1058
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 1: They don't like the deal with stuff like this, and

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00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 1: you know, granted it happens and they have to. But

1060
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Speaker 1: when it's your prerogative to do what you want to

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00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: do as an organization and you don't want to deal

1062
00:50:56,120 --> 00:50:58,040
Speaker 1: with this stuff, then you act on it, and that's

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00:50:58,080 --> 00:51:02,560
Speaker 1: what happens. I'm just telling you, folks that the locker room.

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00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:05,040
Speaker 1: You there's not guys who are gonna come out and

1065
00:51:05,080 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 1: tell the press the way they're feeling about O'Dell Beckham.

1066
00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 1: That's just gonna be a bigger story. It's gonna create

1067
00:51:12,480 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 1: a WorldWind of stuff that they keep it to themselves. Now,

1068
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,640
Speaker 1: the media proclaims that they know everything about what's in

1069
00:51:18,680 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 1: the locker room. They're wrong. They're wrong. They're only allowed

1070
00:51:22,080 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 1: in there for what an hour a day during the week.

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00:51:25,640 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 1: I can tell you from experience there's stuff that goes

1072
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:31,680
Speaker 1: on there at the press never knows about. That's from experience.

1073
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 1: There's look at me, I'm telling you what happens. And

1074
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,359
Speaker 1: my point with O'Dell is that there are stuff. There

1075
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: is stuff that happened and it never got out, and

1076
00:51:39,000 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: it's just things. It's just tired of dealing with the

1077
00:51:41,120 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 1: kind of stuff like this, and you know, you don't

1078
00:51:43,000 --> 00:51:45,160
Speaker 1: want to deal with it anymore, and they don't have to. Yeah,

1079
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 1: I mean, why continue to answer the same questions. I'm

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00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 1: sure coaches get annoyed to and get to the point

1081
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 1: where it's overkilled I mean, how many times you're gonna

1082
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,319
Speaker 1: ask me whether or not the guy's gonna show up?

1083
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,040
Speaker 1: And that's why you hear the same answer all the time.

1084
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 1: Voluntary and the c B A that's what it says,

1085
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:02,560
Speaker 1: it is. And but you know, from a from a

1086
00:52:02,560 --> 00:52:05,279
Speaker 1: team perspective of a fifty three man guys in the

1087
00:52:05,320 --> 00:52:08,680
Speaker 1: locker room trying to attain one goal. And Tom Coffin

1088
00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:11,719
Speaker 1: was the best at explaining this to everyone. It's all

1089
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: about the team. It's always about the team, no matter

1090
00:52:15,360 --> 00:52:18,520
Speaker 1: what time of year it is, where you're at, It's

1091
00:52:18,560 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 1: all about the team and not the individual. Just keep

1092
00:52:22,480 --> 00:52:25,279
Speaker 1: that in perspective, and keep that in mind when you

1093
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: hear stories about me, me, me, I'm not there because

1094
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: I am here. I'm here, I'm here, I'm here. There's

1095
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: your story. That's what the press wants. They love it,

1096
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: They feed for that kind of stuff. If they don't

1097
00:52:38,640 --> 00:52:40,600
Speaker 1: have anything to talk about, then they hate it. Well,

1098
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 1: and what are they going to talk about if they

1099
00:52:42,719 --> 00:52:45,080
Speaker 1: don't have that controversy, Because there's only so many times,

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00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:46,919
Speaker 1: you know, and this is why we also don't get

1101
00:52:46,920 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 1: bottled down on this show, on you know, every highlight

1102
00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 1: from every single practice because I mean, what are we

1103
00:52:52,440 --> 00:52:55,959
Speaker 1: gonna tell you about guys without pads on and and

1104
00:52:55,960 --> 00:52:58,400
Speaker 1: and bringing up the stock of a player when you

1105
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:00,200
Speaker 1: really can't tell much of anything until they put the

1106
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:02,240
Speaker 1: pads on. So you look at some of the tweets,

1107
00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:04,240
Speaker 1: and you know, this guy caught a pass down the field.

1108
00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,439
Speaker 1: That's great. We're not gonna throw a parade for every

1109
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:09,240
Speaker 1: single plate. We're not gonna throw a parade for Daniel Jones.

1110
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: It was perfect and practice today and look out, Eli Manning. Yeah, well,

1111
00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:15,960
Speaker 1: I hate to tell you this, this ain't happening. Okay.

1112
00:53:16,080 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 1: This Daniel Jones will be in the game when all

1113
00:53:19,680 --> 00:53:23,200
Speaker 1: hell breaks loose, okay, and things are not happening the

1114
00:53:23,200 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 1: way that they should be, and the Giants are they're

1115
00:53:26,160 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: not good. That's what's gonna happen, or it's gonna be whinning.

1116
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:32,000
Speaker 1: Eli Manning number ten for those scoring at home, is

1117
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:34,319
Speaker 1: not in the game anymore. And he's out of here.

1118
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:36,960
Speaker 1: That's just the way it is. So get used to it.

1119
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: He can do all he wants in practice, and that's good.

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00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: And you know what, that's building because you know what,

1121
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:43,359
Speaker 1: that's what the giants want. They want him to come

1122
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: in and learn from number ten and execute in practicing,

1123
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,880
Speaker 1: get better every single day so that when the time comes,

1124
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,480
Speaker 1: and we don't know that, so please don't ask his

1125
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 1: about it, because we don't know that he'll be ready.

1126
00:53:56,640 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: A lighter note to end the show off a question

1127
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: on Twitter there's directed to you, Jeff. I think this

1128
00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:04,600
Speaker 1: is an interesting question, Bob asked. Dexter Lawrence is a

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00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,319
Speaker 1: huge guy who can really make an impact. Referring to

1130
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: the can Jeff make comparisons the guys he played with,

1131
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 1: Eric swan the late Cortez Kennedy, or two guys that

1132
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:18,280
Speaker 1: he brings up, Okay, anybody else come to mind? The

1133
00:54:18,280 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 1: first of all, those guys are outstanding players. Okay, they're

1134
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:24,319
Speaker 1: not as big as he he is. Dexter Lawrence is

1135
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 1: a big man, Okay. Indeed, from a technique standpoint, a

1136
00:54:28,160 --> 00:54:30,279
Speaker 1: great comparison. I will compare. And I don't know if

1137
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: you remember Eric Swan Um Lance, but he was he

1138
00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: didn't go to college. Okay, um an outstanding big, fast

1139
00:54:38,880 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: off the ball, Okay, disruptive and Um unfortunately got out

1140
00:54:43,160 --> 00:54:45,160
Speaker 1: of league because of injuries. But yes, that's a great

1141
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: comparison to him. Cortez tes another guy quick off the

1142
00:54:48,560 --> 00:54:52,000
Speaker 1: ball smart Cortez Kennedy was a smart player and would

1143
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,759
Speaker 1: position himself and get leverage, use his leverage because he

1144
00:54:54,800 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: was a small guy, wasn't a very tall guy. Dexter

1145
00:54:57,680 --> 00:55:00,080
Speaker 1: is tall, so he if he uses his level and

1146
00:55:00,200 --> 00:55:01,880
Speaker 1: he is. That's why I'm talking about Sacks because I

1147
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: feel like he's such a big man that he can

1148
00:55:05,120 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: use his leverage, and and good defensive lineman know how

1149
00:55:07,600 --> 00:55:10,799
Speaker 1: to use leverage they can get to the quarterback. Well,

1150
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:14,280
Speaker 1: there you go, a little historical perspective provided by Jeff

1151
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 1: good name exactly, a nice blast from the past. I

1152
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:19,960
Speaker 1: always like to look back at the times that Jeff

1153
00:55:20,000 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 1: suited up so al he's good to reminisce T zero

1154
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,640
Speaker 1: one nine four five one three is the telephone number

1155
00:55:25,680 --> 00:55:27,440
Speaker 1: will continue to take more of your phone calls on

1156
00:55:27,440 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: tomorrow's ADSHU a big blue kickoff line again. Yes, Jeff

1157
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,400
Speaker 1: and I. Will we be coordinated again, that's the question. Well,

1158
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:35,879
Speaker 1: that's why you're gonna have to tune in to find

1159
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:37,760
Speaker 1: out if we're actually gonna be wearing the same shirts.

1160
00:55:38,239 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: We may mix it up. But also it's important to

1161
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: know the show tomorrow is going to start at one

1162
00:55:42,239 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: thirty pm. Eastern like the last two days, so make

1163
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 1: sure that you apply your schedule accordingly. Some tweaks because

1164
00:55:49,200 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: of the minicamp schedule. With that, Beach said, appreciate everybody

1165
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 1: for tuning in, Thanks for the phone calls, Thanks to

1166
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 1: the tweets for Jeff beats on land. Enjoy the rest

1167
00:55:56,920 --> 00:55:59,399
Speaker 1: of your day and always stay locked to giants dot com.

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Speaker 1: Have a go one