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Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. On January fifth, nineteen thirty, Clyde

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Speaker 1: The sparch fly right there. Just weeks into their courtship,

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Speaker 1: Clyde's outlaw ways finally caught up to him. Dallas police

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Speaker 1: Bloody Hand. Happy Valentine's Day, everybody, I mean, why does

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Speaker 1: cannot phantom the choice that Bonny made to go along

423
00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:55,399
Speaker 1: with the actions of Cride. But that's I guess that

424
00:27:55,520 --> 00:27:59,320
Speaker 1: there was a true love, no matter what the circumstances

425
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: of believed that that was one that was an absolute

426
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,679
Speaker 1: true love. You know, even during their lifetime they were

427
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 1: depicted in the media one way, but I don't know

428
00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 1: that that's true because the reality of life on the road.

429
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 1: While Bonnie Parker was present at over one hundred felonies

430
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,600
Speaker 1: during the two years she was with Clyde. I don't

431
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: believe she was a cigar smoking, machine gun wielding person

432
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: that you would see in the media. Now. There are

433
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:42,800
Speaker 1: police accounts that say she murdered cops, but those claims

434
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: have been contradicted over and over with claims she was

435
00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:50,760
Speaker 1: never seen shooting at a law officer. And the whole

436
00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: thing regarding the cigar was from that photo, a photo

437
00:28:55,880 --> 00:29:00,720
Speaker 1: police found at an abandoned hideout that was taken in

438
00:29:00,960 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: a joking moment, and that was released to the press.

439
00:29:05,160 --> 00:29:09,760
Speaker 1: I don't know what her real life was like. I

440
00:29:09,840 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: did know. I do know she smoked camels, but not cigars,

441
00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:18,600
Speaker 1: for whatever that means. Bonnie Inclyde the myth or the reality,

442
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:22,160
Speaker 1: And what a great day to talk about it Valentine's Day.

443
00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: Take a listen. Bonnie and Clyde had been on a

444
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,960
Speaker 1: two year crime spree that left a trail of dead

445
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 1: bodies in their way. They were a little more than

446
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: on local curiosity until photos of the couple were discovered

447
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:35,600
Speaker 1: at a crime scene in nineteen thirty three. Overnight, the

448
00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:39,400
Speaker 1: country became transfixed by the scandalous images, press accounts of

449
00:29:39,440 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: improbable escapes, and they're illicit romance Bonnie Inclde, who people

450
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: are sort of making up stories about or getting sightings of.

451
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, there are pictures, there are guns,

452
00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: and there's evidence. It was a nostop tope operation. Everybody

453
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: was tuning into the radios, everybody was reading the papers,

454
00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,080
Speaker 1: and actually it's almost like they were rooting them to

455
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: get away. Bonnie and Clyde would join the ranks of

456
00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:04,600
Speaker 1: other celebrity gangsters like John Dillinger, Pretty Boy Floyd, and

457
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:08,280
Speaker 1: Baby Faced Nelson, so called public enemies who emerged out

458
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,120
Speaker 1: of nowhere during the Great Depression to capture the country's

459
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: imagination in a world where there was very little to

460
00:30:14,320 --> 00:30:17,360
Speaker 1: get excited about. In summer nineteen thirty three, Bonnie Clyde

461
00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: were pretty big names. Everybody was talking about the criminals,

462
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:25,720
Speaker 1: the bad guys. But Clyde and Bonnie had the one

463
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: thing the others didn't, the whole true romance and the

464
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 1: sexy scandal. She says, I began to see a strange

465
00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 1: and terrifying change in the mind of my child. Bonnie

466
00:30:36,760 --> 00:30:40,120
Speaker 1: has made a switch to investing in this persona in

467
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: which what honor means is to stick to your man

468
00:30:44,160 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: no matter what in June, a Kaufman grand jury set

469
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:51,000
Speaker 1: Bonnie free. Unwilling to believe that any woman would choose

470
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:54,240
Speaker 1: to accompany criminals of her own volition. Just days after

471
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,320
Speaker 1: her release, Bonnie did just that, taking their fate into

472
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:01,440
Speaker 1: their own hands. Bonnie Clyde, a revolving cast of ex

473
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: cons that would make up the barrel Game, set out

474
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,719
Speaker 1: on the open road, burning a path through two dozen states,

475
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 1: robbing gas stations and banks and grocery stores, often scoring

476
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 1: just enough money to make it to the county line.

477
00:31:16,800 --> 00:31:18,960
Speaker 1: They had to go to places where they weren't known,

478
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: where they could more easily to commit cruns. Once they

479
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,480
Speaker 1: committed those crimes, they would move as quickly as possible

480
00:31:24,560 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 1: to get far away from Dallas. They would go up

481
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: through Oklahoma and Missouri. If I'd loved hitting banks in Iowa,

482
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,400
Speaker 1: they would go as far as Indiana, one case, all

483
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: the way to Ohio. They once even did a western

484
00:31:40,480 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 1: trip out to New Mexico. He told his mom, he said, Mom,

485
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: he says, all the money in the world, I'm not

486
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: gonna make me free. If all he was in a

487
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,400
Speaker 1: rogisted with getting down the road and live another day,

488
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 1: there was no incentive for him to go straight whatsoever.

489
00:31:56,920 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 1: Whereas he actually knew he was good at crime. He

490
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: was good at stealing things. He was really good at driving.

491
00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 1: He was good at stealing cars. You were hearing an

492
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:08,760
Speaker 1: awesome PBS documentary about the legend of Bonnie and Clyde.

493
00:32:09,160 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 1: And for Valentine's Day, we have managed to snag Buddy Barrow,

494
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:16,800
Speaker 1: the nephew of Clyde Barrow, and Raylene Linder, the niece

495
00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:20,600
Speaker 1: of Bonnie Parker with me Kieran Stark, psychologist and director

496
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:24,840
Speaker 1: of the Cold Case Research Institute, Cheryl McCollum, to you,

497
00:32:24,960 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: Buddy Barrow, the nephew of Clyde Barrow. And by the way, everybody,

498
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: they are going to be this weekend, Cheryl, what's the

499
00:32:33,040 --> 00:32:36,800
Speaker 1: name of your event this weekend? Bonnie and Clyde, She'll

500
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,479
Speaker 1: death do us part? Oh my goodness? And that is

501
00:32:39,520 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: where and what time? At Manuel Tavern from eleven in

502
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: the morning till two in the afternoon, a little Valentine's

503
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,240
Speaker 1: brunch this Sunday. And you know I'm going to be

504
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: there in Atlanta with the twins who are obsessed with

505
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 1: Bonnie and Clyde. To you, Buddy Barrow, what is your

506
00:32:57,000 --> 00:33:00,320
Speaker 1: take on your uncle Clyde. Let me let me here something.

507
00:33:00,320 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 1: I'm back up to something here. You know, we're talking

508
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: about them when Bonnie had a you know, Clyde. He

509
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,600
Speaker 1: told Bonnie one time, he said he could have run

510
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,680
Speaker 1: off and left her at her mother's house and never

511
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: came back. She told him then, she said, if you

512
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: ever do that, you don't have to worry about some

513
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,040
Speaker 1: cop killing. He says, yea, because I'm gonna hunt you down.

514
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,240
Speaker 1: I'm gonna kill you myself. And then there's another thing

515
00:33:23,320 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 1: I asked. I asked a young couple one time, because

516
00:33:25,600 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: I didn't understand good love at Clyde and Bonnie half

517
00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,160
Speaker 1: for one another. And I said, well, you're you're you're

518
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 1: a young couple. You're married. And I said, let me

519
00:33:33,280 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: ask you something. I said, would you die for him?

520
00:33:36,040 --> 00:33:38,200
Speaker 1: She looked at him, she said sorry, buster, And I said,

521
00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: I rest my case. Wow, Wow, okay, okay, Charon McCall.

522
00:33:44,080 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: Let me remind you that you're still in law enforcement.

523
00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:49,480
Speaker 1: You're on the other side. Here. I hear you rooting there.

524
00:33:49,680 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 1: You know that's really interesting. Karen Start Psychologists. You can

525
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 1: find her at Karen Start dot com. People were rooting

526
00:33:55,680 --> 00:33:58,160
Speaker 1: for Bonnie and Clyde they Hey, you know what, I

527
00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: want you to hear something, Karen. You're not gonna believe

528
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:05,000
Speaker 1: they didn't just rob Banks. Listen. After the shootout in Iowa,

529
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: Clyde was taking even greater risks to stay on the road,

530
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 1: and now with Buck's death, he needed a new game.

531
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: In January of nineteen thirty four, Bonnie and Clyde took

532
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:20,759
Speaker 1: part in an early morning raid of Eastam Prison that

533
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: freed five inmates. It was a satisfying bit of revenge,

534
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:28,959
Speaker 1: but set off a chain of events that not even

535
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 1: the great escape artist Clyde Barrow could he lose. So

536
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 1: not only did they rob and automotive shops that was Clyde,

537
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,759
Speaker 1: but Banks and so forth really hitting at what they

538
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: perceived to be corporate fat cats. They actually rated a

539
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: prison and set fee some prisoners. So Kieran Stark, I

540
00:34:47,400 --> 00:34:50,200
Speaker 1: understand why a lot of people were rooting for them.

541
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:54,040
Speaker 1: You can understand it. They were certainly romantic figures, and

542
00:34:54,160 --> 00:34:57,359
Speaker 1: that's what's come down along the line. Nancy and I

543
00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:01,000
Speaker 1: don't want a dishute shell, but I must because we're

544
00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,239
Speaker 1: talking about the law. I mean, that's what you do,

545
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: That's what Cheryl does, and even though they cut such

546
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 1: beautiful figures, we'd love to see them in a movie.

547
00:35:12,200 --> 00:35:16,359
Speaker 1: The truth of the matter is they were robbers, They

548
00:35:16,640 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 1: killed people. The law was after them. So it's a

549
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: great story. It's perfect for Valentine's Day, but we don't

550
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 1: want to let them myth overtake the reality of who

551
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:30,440
Speaker 1: these two people really were. I'm kind of funny feeling.

552
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: Cheryl McClellan wants to respond. I do, and you know

553
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,399
Speaker 1: I love both of y'all. You're You're absolutely right. I'm

554
00:35:36,440 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: not discounting what they became. I'm simply saying, if you

555
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 1: start your life on the devil's back porch, it shouldn't

556
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,799
Speaker 1: shock anybody you become a gun bringing out law. Of

557
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:52,680
Speaker 1: course they did, and I'm telling you during the Great Depression.

558
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 1: That's what formed them, that's what made them. My concentration

559
00:35:57,600 --> 00:36:01,400
Speaker 1: was this was a love story. Albeit I love the

560
00:36:01,520 --> 00:36:05,120
Speaker 1: idea of the love story, Cheryl McCollum, but how do

561
00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 1: you reconcile their love story with their twelve murder victims.

562
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,360
Speaker 1: You don't reconcile it. You acknowledge it like Buddy and

563
00:36:13,440 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: Raylene do. Every day it happens. But how did it happen,

564
00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:21,280
Speaker 1: Why did it happen? And can't you be two people

565
00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 1: at the same time? Karen starts, So, you've got a

566
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: woman that danced at center stage, you know, every night,

567
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: taking a clothes off for money. But when she goes home,

568
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:33,719
Speaker 1: she's a good and loving mother. She's both of those things.

569
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: And it's just true. And so to me, you recognize, Yes,

570
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: they were outlaws, no question about it. Let me go

571
00:36:41,840 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: to Buddy Barrow and Raylene Lender, the blood relatives of

572
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: Clyde and Bonnie. Raylene weigh in on what you're hearing

573
00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:56,359
Speaker 1: and how Bonny and Clyde have affected you. Well, let

574
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: me say that they were they were outlaws yesterday. One

575
00:37:00,320 --> 00:37:03,800
Speaker 1: thing about it. We do not at any time condone

576
00:37:03,960 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: anything that Body and Clive did, and I want that known.

577
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: They came from good, hard working families. The situations whatever

578
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: caused them to get to the point that they did

579
00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 1: was their choices was there. They got into situations that

580
00:37:22,280 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: they could not get out of. Body chose to stay

581
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: with him. We do not. The family never has condoned

582
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: what they did. They've accepted they had to accept what happened,

583
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:42,440
Speaker 1: what they did. They still loved them under all any circumstances,

584
00:37:42,480 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 1: they still loved them. They were still their children there.

585
00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 1: So don't think for a minute that the family condones

586
00:37:51,640 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: what they did or or feel proud of what they did,

587
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:59,839
Speaker 1: because the family did not. They came from good heart

588
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,880
Speaker 1: working family. What about it, Buddy Barrow, She's telling me

589
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: the truth. You know, like I said, you're of a

590
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:08,640
Speaker 1: mother of a child. You know, she said she didn't

591
00:38:08,800 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 1: really don't see no wrong in a child because she

592
00:38:11,440 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 1: you know, she knew when she grew up, when he

593
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:15,440
Speaker 1: grew up. You know, he was a loving child. And

594
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:19,239
Speaker 1: circumstances changed that, and then they put themselves in a

595
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,000
Speaker 1: position to where they couldn't get out. One time, it

596
00:38:22,160 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: was told me it was like a snowball going downhill.

597
00:38:24,920 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 1: The factor it goes, the bigger gits and it was

598
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: just no turning back. And my family never wanted to

599
00:38:32,120 --> 00:38:34,960
Speaker 1: talk about this because it was it was hard on

600
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:38,320
Speaker 1: them for what they did, the lives that were lost.

601
00:38:38,360 --> 00:38:41,840
Speaker 1: You know, they felt bad because people lost their lives.

602
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: Cloud was blamed for many murders that his accomplidences committed.

603
00:38:47,640 --> 00:38:50,240
Speaker 1: He tried to stop him from doing that. He wanted

604
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: no gun play. But whenever they if they stayed in

605
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: a motel or a hotel at one time or other

606
00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,440
Speaker 1: than sleeping in the car. I know one time the

607
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,480
Speaker 1: story that Clyde and body were sleeping on the side

608
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,279
Speaker 1: of the road and I Offer pulled up beside him.

609
00:39:05,719 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: He said, sir, you can't do this. You got to

610
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,080
Speaker 1: move on. Clyde said, yes, sir, he moved on. There

611
00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,279
Speaker 1: was no problem. There was no you know, gunfire. But

612
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: if that man pulled a weapon on him, then you

613
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: got a different scenario. And he hated that some ad

614
00:39:20,719 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: authority had been shoved down his throat after what he

615
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:27,480
Speaker 1: went through in prison. So we understand the things that

616
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:30,800
Speaker 1: caused him to do what he did, although we didn't

617
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 1: agree with it. You know, there was better there's other

618
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,480
Speaker 1: ways to have handled it, but you know it was

619
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: It was probably one of these decisions he made, and

620
00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: he made it. Well. What Buddy Barrow was referring to

621
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:48,759
Speaker 1: is Clyde was allegedly raped in prison, broke out and

622
00:39:48,800 --> 00:39:52,200
Speaker 1: swore had never go back. This is what I knew.

623
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:56,439
Speaker 1: Their love was deep, their love was strong. They would

624
00:39:56,480 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 1: do anything for each other. There was a plot to

625
00:39:59,760 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 1: a us Bonnie and Clyde that played out in Louisiana.

626
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: They drove into a trap, he and Bonnie killed by

627
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:13,120
Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty bullets. Happy Valentine's Day, Nancy Grace

628
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 1: Crime Stories, signing off goodbye friend,