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Speaker 2: It's Hollywood, it's books, it's gossip.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure it's memoir. It's Martini. Celebrity Book Club, Read

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Speaker 1: Vou Hey, best friend, Hey, best friend, have you shot

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Speaker 1: in the mother toilet today? Mother?

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Speaker 3: I literally did shit in the mother toilet?

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Speaker 2: As in, I walked with my dear friend Eva's twins today.

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Speaker 1: Oh wait that mom behavior.

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Speaker 3: I was like actually mothering today.

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Speaker 1: Wait, can you imagine like a gay guys, these two

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Speaker 2: Mother is mother?

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Speaker 1: But how are the twins?

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Speaker 3: Well, I guess they like sleep the most when they're walking.

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Speaker 2: So we did kind of a croissant crawl around dip

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Speaker 1: So you weren't interacting with them?

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Speaker 2: Really, I was walking them, and it's kind of like

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Speaker 1: That's so fucking rude.

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Speaker 3: So I'm sorry she was being a bit try to.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, so you don't want to talk and

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Speaker 2: they're being so that girl at the party and it's like,

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, my byline isn't big enough for you.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm sorry. I'm not like the hottest new thing

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Speaker 1: for someone more powerful and more interesting, someone more mother.

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Speaker 1: Gia Tolentino walked by in dit Miss and the twins

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Speaker 1: were like, ah, I recently gave a birth. Yeah, my

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Speaker 2: It's like stuffed Animal Week because I just gave my

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Speaker 2: I'm so scared. So I got her a little hawk

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Speaker 1: And that's great. It's like a thematic experience.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then I played I was trying to be

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Speaker 2: really theme. I pressed play on Lenny Kravitz Fly Away.

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Speaker 4: that's a real immersive experience. Well, I create move over

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Speaker 4: ice Cream Museum.

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Speaker 2: I create immersive experience.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so obviously of course I would want to buy

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Speaker 1: You were just like falcon stuffed animal search search, and

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Speaker 2: Because it's like and I'll be completely transparent, and mine

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Speaker 1: Wait, yeah, please tell our listeners how we even got

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Speaker 2: and I'm like, what's this book? And she's like, that's

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Speaker 2: She's ninety five. She still is the personal shopper for

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Speaker 2: of this woman. This woman's name is Betty Hallbreak Halbridge.

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Speaker 5: That Life Style with a Twist.

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Speaker 2: I mean the moment I was like yeah, like she

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Speaker 1: The concept is fabulousness, The concept.

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Speaker 1: So this book. As I started reading it, I've never

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Speaker 1: And it's a at benning like walking through burg Dwarfs,

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Speaker 3: And like phones ringing, and like lipsticks and salads. Maybe

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Speaker 1: Just read a few from this beginning.

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Speaker 2: The Kashmir jacket was to be paired with the crop

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Speaker 3: And white percell goes with practically anything.

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Speaker 2: basically they would go out every night, host parties, go

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Speaker 1: Her whole life is finding outfits to go out to

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Speaker 1: all of these bat Bliss events constantly, and it's just drinks,

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Speaker 1: being like, what am I gonna wear to be?

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Speaker 2: What am I gonna wear? And she like gets up

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Speaker 2: around ten. But this is like in her prime, like

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Speaker 2: And freedom my like Frau German like maid.

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Speaker 1: So many maids, And she was like at this point, honey,

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Speaker 2: Term second girl, Wait, the linen presser. No.

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Speaker 1: also like the maid maids laundry, and then they have

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Speaker 2: It's so when I worked for the most fabulous woman

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Speaker 2: like I was like the monthly maid, but she had

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Speaker 1: Certainly wasn't trusting you with her taplecloths. Imagine, I don't

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Speaker 2: Leaving mustard on my fine limits. And she would always

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Speaker 2: they don't teach lawn dressing anymore. Of course, my last

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Speaker 1: Didn't one of the other maids disappear while you worked there?

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Speaker 2: One of the other maids did disappear, and It's very

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Speaker 1: Because she said that email wants being just like I

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Speaker 1: don't know where Marissa.

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Speaker 2: I don't know where Marissa is. And then her husband,

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Speaker 2: who I don't trust, he came over with some sort

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Speaker 2: It was like some sort of like fuck you, which

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Speaker 2: I just feel like is sober uppery side to come

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Speaker 2: And I'm like that woman then is going to Betty

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Speaker 1: She's from Chicago. She's from a very wealthy Jewish family

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's so me like going and

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Speaker 1: And then like a guy's just being like what do

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Speaker 2: He runs a department store, which is funny because you

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Speaker 2: know that's the business. She gets in and she's such

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Speaker 1: He went, okay, this part. I love his love of

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Speaker 2: About like, you know, if you are feeling insecure, maybe

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Speaker 1: And there's this whole like kai when she moves to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, but she's not a nineteen thirties like upper middle

436
00:21:10,160 --> 00:21:12,760
Speaker 1: class Jewish staff having Chicago.

437
00:21:13,359 --> 00:21:14,879
Speaker 3: Right, It's like Betty had staff.

438
00:21:14,880 --> 00:21:16,760
Speaker 2: But then it's like, right when she met these like

439
00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:20,440
Speaker 2: dinner party, let's like go to the beach every day,

440
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,720
Speaker 2: New York Jews, she was like, oh, I feel like

441
00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,560
Speaker 2: I didn't have anything to talk to them about.

442
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,960
Speaker 1: Right, and they're being so like politics, put money, but clothes.

443
00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 1: But then she was like, but clothes, I do kind

444
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,399
Speaker 1: of know because I am sessed with them. Okay, So

445
00:21:33,440 --> 00:21:35,720
Speaker 1: she also like her love of clothes comes from the

446
00:21:35,800 --> 00:21:37,960
Speaker 1: kind of so just an only child, it's like very

447
00:21:37,960 --> 00:21:39,640
Speaker 1: love by her parents and dot to them, but also

448
00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:41,440
Speaker 1: the parents are like kind of doing their own thing

449
00:21:42,040 --> 00:21:43,400
Speaker 1: and then kind of ignoring her a little bit.

450
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:46,040
Speaker 2: She talks about going to analysis later on. She has

451
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 2: this big chip on her shoulder about like the loneliness

452
00:21:48,240 --> 00:21:51,679
Speaker 2: of being an only child. She was like and sometimes

453
00:21:51,720 --> 00:21:54,400
Speaker 2: like they would leave me for Christmas, and I was like.

454
00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,199
Speaker 1: That was so sad when they left and there was

455
00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:58,560
Speaker 1: like all these exquisitely wrapped presents under the tree, but

456
00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:00,880
Speaker 1: she was just alone with the fuck made.

457
00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 2: That is the saddest thing ever. But I mean, I

458
00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 2: think in the fifties, you know, kids they were just

459
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,199
Speaker 2: left to fend for themselves.

460
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 1: Well, no, I mean there's a balance because you know,

461
00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,600
Speaker 1: today's kids obviously are way too overparented and they're never

462
00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,239
Speaker 1: for themselves and so they don't develop any kind of

463
00:22:19,280 --> 00:22:22,200
Speaker 1: like skills of socialization. But then kids back then were

464
00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,440
Speaker 1: just like completely neglected and sad.

465
00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:27,720
Speaker 2: And everyone's always like drowning in a pond because no

466
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:28,760
Speaker 2: one's watching them.

467
00:22:29,200 --> 00:22:31,320
Speaker 1: I mean, we had the perfect childhood. Although I feel

468
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,639
Speaker 1: that I was also very her because well, okay with

469
00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,720
Speaker 1: this line though, was so like haunting when she's talking

470
00:22:36,760 --> 00:22:40,119
Speaker 1: about after that Christmas, when she gets the doll on

471
00:22:40,160 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 1: the right to house a block from the Michigan you

472
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:43,600
Speaker 1: could hardly tell the water from the sky. The bleak

473
00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 1: Grave winter was very beautiful as well as forbidding dolls

474
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,439
Speaker 1: in dollhouses made up for a lot, but they couldn't

475
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,600
Speaker 1: make up for what I believed others had. So sad.

476
00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 2: Very interesting because later on her analysis he says she

477
00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:57,480
Speaker 2: has dollhouse syndrome.

478
00:22:57,680 --> 00:22:59,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, and then he's like, you must destroy the dollhouse.

479
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 2: And she's like, oh, and me, and you know, my

480
00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 2: husband made an amazing little dollhouse for our daughter, and

481
00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:09,520
Speaker 2: I had all these little compartments. Because then she kind

482
00:23:09,520 --> 00:23:14,159
Speaker 2: of does an even more extreme like fifty society woman version,

483
00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:17,320
Speaker 2: is like when she has her children, Kathy and John,

484
00:23:17,400 --> 00:23:20,160
Speaker 2: She's just like, oh, I mean, of course I loved

485
00:23:20,200 --> 00:23:23,480
Speaker 2: my children dearly, but.

486
00:23:22,760 --> 00:23:24,080
Speaker 1: Karen for them was terribly boring.

487
00:23:24,400 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 3: She's so boring, Dollie.

488
00:23:26,119 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 2: She's like, the last thing I want to do is

489
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,480
Speaker 2: sit at the park, oh and talk about their bathroom habits.

490
00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 1: And talk with the other mothers about what schools they're

491
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,680
Speaker 1: getting into. No, thank you. They were shopping.

492
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:38,320
Speaker 2: Oh, they're shopping, Dollie. She was like, and I, of

493
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:41,080
Speaker 2: course Macy's. I would never shop for clothing at Macy's,

494
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 2: but the China and Macy's.

495
00:23:42,960 --> 00:23:45,080
Speaker 1: Was across the street from her husband's office. But she

496
00:23:45,160 --> 00:23:49,440
Speaker 1: starts getting into clothes specifically, because when her parents would

497
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,879
Speaker 1: be way, she'd be exploring her mother's closet.

498
00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 2: And going through when she realized her mother did buy

499
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 2: fabulous things, and so.

500
00:23:54,640 --> 00:23:57,000
Speaker 1: She's like trying on all these crazy outfits and having

501
00:23:57,000 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 1: so much fun. Do you remember my my there's closet.

502
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 3: Closet where time at the shed, closet in your room?

503
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 1: Well, yes, and my mom basically colonized every closet in

504
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 1: the house to like fill with her clothes. Women, you

505
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:11,560
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about.

506
00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:13,920
Speaker 2: Hello, if you know you know.

507
00:24:14,119 --> 00:24:16,920
Speaker 1: But the closet in my bedroom was full of her

508
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:21,120
Speaker 1: like fabulous eighties clothes like sequin like Escata blazers.

509
00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,600
Speaker 2: It was insane And it's almost what the style of

510
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 2: clothing Betty is talking about when she gets to the eighties,

511
00:24:26,359 --> 00:24:30,520
Speaker 2: Like I am talking shoulder pads, Bengals, flapper but eighties

512
00:24:30,720 --> 00:24:33,679
Speaker 2: Escotta like and then we would just put them on.

513
00:24:34,240 --> 00:24:36,720
Speaker 1: I mean, I've obviously spoken with my analyst at length

514
00:24:36,760 --> 00:24:40,840
Speaker 1: about the irony of the closet in my bedroom, going

515
00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 1: into going into my closet to put on my mother's clothes.

516
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:46,560
Speaker 1: It's a little on the nose.

517
00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,840
Speaker 2: The reverse, like huge lesbian version is like like around

518
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 2: twelve years old. I would take my dad's like dress

519
00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 2: pants and try to like wear them, but like he

520
00:24:57,600 --> 00:24:59,960
Speaker 2: was probably like waist forty.

521
00:25:00,720 --> 00:25:02,119
Speaker 1: It was just like maybe you should have tried on

522
00:25:02,119 --> 00:25:03,200
Speaker 1: his shoes. It's always fit.

523
00:25:03,640 --> 00:25:05,800
Speaker 2: It was just like me and like the most like

524
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:09,280
Speaker 2: massive pants. And he was so disturbed because he was like, okay,

525
00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 2: creepy lesbian and like it also just like wasn't really

526
00:25:13,480 --> 00:25:17,600
Speaker 2: like totally like working. Yeah, but it's about the exploration.

527
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 1: But he wasn't hiding all of his men's more in

528
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: your bedroom.

529
00:25:21,040 --> 00:25:23,560
Speaker 2: No, he Yeah, he wasn't like stuffing so much Eddie

530
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 2: Bauer Khakis my bedroom.

531
00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:28,760
Speaker 1: But what's funny about the closet, You know, you think

532
00:25:28,800 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 1: of it as a dark place. It's a place that

533
00:25:30,119 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 1: you're hiding. But I think also for latchkey kids like

534
00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:37,240
Speaker 1: me and you and Betty, the closet is it's a

535
00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,359
Speaker 1: refuge and it's a place of exploration. And I was

536
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,480
Speaker 1: like me and my friend sometimes we would be like,

537
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,720
Speaker 1: let's go exploring. We would go into the closet because

538
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:46,720
Speaker 1: like those other shit in there too, there was files and.

539
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,120
Speaker 2: Explore your parents closet is one of the most amazing

540
00:25:49,160 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 2: things because you like, see, it's like these ephemera being

541
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:53,280
Speaker 2: an adult.

542
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:55,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, the closet is a womb, and like,

543
00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:58,439
Speaker 1: to some extent, it's not a bad place to be

544
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 1: because you are free to iterate within the closet.

545
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,880
Speaker 2: Well, and then we would get into my mom's closet

546
00:26:05,160 --> 00:26:07,199
Speaker 2: and try on all of her kimonos and get like

547
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:08,199
Speaker 2: so much makeup.

548
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:13,600
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, your mom had a totally different sele of mine,

549
00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:15,200
Speaker 1: but again it was still like a place of expiration.

550
00:26:15,520 --> 00:26:20,440
Speaker 2: But we were exploring Boha, Cambridge and eighties Powerful Lawyer.

551
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:35,199
Speaker 1: Club, book club. So she's in Chicago. She's especially taken

552
00:26:35,240 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: by the marshall Field store, which of course is now

553
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 1: a Macy's. I remember when you moved to Chicago for college,

554
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:43,600
Speaker 1: and you talking about Marshall Fields all the time, as

555
00:26:43,640 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 1: if it was this crazy in joke with all Chicagoans,

556
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: and you were always just being like, oh, yeah, we're

557
00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,719
Speaker 1: gonna meet at Marshall Fields and then have lunch after class,

558
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: like acting like you were such a fabulous society woman.

559
00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 1: And I was jealous.

560
00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,159
Speaker 2: Because Marshall Fields was a crossing my door, which was

561
00:26:57,200 --> 00:26:58,480
Speaker 2: so random, Like.

562
00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,080
Speaker 1: But isn't it so sad because it's based on fe

563
00:27:00,200 --> 00:27:02,680
Speaker 1: like they've masified it where it's like it's still partially

564
00:27:02,680 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 1: fab but it's also just like has dropped ceilings and

565
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: it's like so old.

566
00:27:05,960 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've may have had Marshall Fields. It used to

567
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 2: be like one of the real department stores.

568
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,920
Speaker 1: With like an incredible like Moorish mosaic design and but yeah.

569
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 2: She would go to Marshall Fields and go to all

570
00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:19,440
Speaker 2: these stores don, the and the, and they were just fabulous.

571
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 1: Well, you know now the store is so like Burgdorfs

572
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: does still have like a tea room you can like

573
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:25,639
Speaker 1: go have lunch there, and like we went to that

574
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 1: restaurant at Sacks last year, Yes, Avenue. I almost think

575
00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:32,960
Speaker 1: like the stores now because it's like department stores like

576
00:27:33,040 --> 00:27:36,320
Speaker 1: don't have even a reason to exist anymore. So like

577
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 1: now they're coming back to being destinations as like tourist

578
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:42,920
Speaker 1: destinations because the people are desperate for like I.

579
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:44,919
Speaker 2: Think the glamour of the experids. Like when I was

580
00:27:44,920 --> 00:27:46,800
Speaker 2: at bird Doors getting this book, I mean it was

581
00:27:46,840 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 2: like packed and also like with.

582
00:27:49,320 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: Tourists, yes, people just.

583
00:27:51,720 --> 00:27:53,400
Speaker 2: Gawking and that whole thing.

584
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,280
Speaker 1: So basically the sort of theory of this book is

585
00:27:55,320 --> 00:27:58,000
Speaker 1: she gets married. She's in this kind of marriage, and

586
00:27:58,040 --> 00:27:59,760
Speaker 1: she's been fabulous in one all these events, but her

587
00:27:59,800 --> 00:28:01,800
Speaker 1: husban and cheated on her. Then she's cheateing on him.

588
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,760
Speaker 1: They're both having all these fabulous affairs.

589
00:28:03,840 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 2: I loved how honest she was about her affairs, like

590
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 2: they were fully competitive affairs. Like they'd be at one

591
00:28:09,440 --> 00:28:13,880
Speaker 2: of their you know, fabulous copa cabana dinners and she'd

592
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,879
Speaker 2: be like, well, and I just see Sonny in his

593
00:28:16,080 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 2: cups and you know, gallivanting with Mitzi or whatever, and

594
00:28:19,800 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 2: she's like, so I'd take on Roger.

595
00:28:22,160 --> 00:28:24,359
Speaker 1: And she's going out with Roger and they're meeting in

596
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:27,280
Speaker 1: like you know, terrible little hotel rooms and they're having

597
00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 1: such a Carrie and big affair.

598
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, where it's like dirty hotel. I also feel like

599
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:33,400
Speaker 2: it was a lot of like they were always vacationing,

600
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 2: either like in Italy or they have this like Berkshire's cottage,

601
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,239
Speaker 2: And I feel like it was also a lot of

602
00:28:38,280 --> 00:28:40,720
Speaker 2: like swinging, like where it's like she was probably sleeping

603
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 2: with you know, Charlie.

604
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: I mean, they're not fully at a swinger's party.

605
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 2: No, but I'm saying I think they were being kind

606
00:28:46,600 --> 00:28:47,120
Speaker 2: of like.

607
00:28:47,480 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: People knew that couples were kind of couples.

608
00:28:50,200 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 2: Were moving around, and so you know, she was wildly

609
00:28:53,920 --> 00:28:56,200
Speaker 2: attracted to Sonny. She has these two kids. She's kind

610
00:28:56,240 --> 00:29:00,040
Speaker 2: of wait, this was the most fifties thing. She was like, So,

611
00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:01,480
Speaker 2: I don't really want to like take care of them

612
00:29:01,560 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 2: or take them outside when I do my errands. So

613
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 2: my doctor told me to just wrap them up, put

614
00:29:06,200 --> 00:29:08,400
Speaker 2: them by a window and crack the window and it'll

615
00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,240
Speaker 2: be like them being outside.

616
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:13,720
Speaker 1: He's like, Oh, you don't have to take the kid outside.

617
00:29:13,760 --> 00:29:15,920
Speaker 1: Just kind of like rocket in your arms near the window.

618
00:29:15,960 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: You're good. Well, you know they used to do these things.

619
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:19,960
Speaker 1: They used to have baby cages. I've seen this like

620
00:29:20,040 --> 00:29:22,239
Speaker 1: on a Twitter thread, but like it was like a

621
00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: cage outside your window that you put your baby into,

622
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:25,720
Speaker 1: like expose it to fresh air.

623
00:29:26,240 --> 00:29:27,240
Speaker 2: I mean that's kind of cool.

624
00:29:27,720 --> 00:29:29,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like a little floating jail.

625
00:29:30,480 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 3: It's still cool floating jail.

626
00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: Oka. Wait when she loses her virginity on her wedding

627
00:29:35,320 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: night and.

628
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 3: Oh Inlido Atlantic Beach?

629
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,880
Speaker 1: Was it in Leado Atlantic Beach or was it? I

630
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:42,280
Speaker 1: guess I must have rite out the wedding. And then

631
00:29:42,320 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 1: they went to Hawaii, for the honeymoon, but she goes

632
00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:46,880
Speaker 1: the first night together for newly Wades in nineteen forty

633
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:51,200
Speaker 1: seven was a novelty enhanced by exquisite silken lace. Berkdoff

634
00:29:51,200 --> 00:29:55,800
Speaker 1: Goridman's once legendary lingerie department became inconsequential when people started

635
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:58,200
Speaker 1: living together before marriage. Why I spend a lot of

636
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 1: money when there's no surprise, Hello tea lingerie being dead

637
00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:05,960
Speaker 1: because people have premarital sex. Now, that's so true.

638
00:30:06,320 --> 00:30:09,320
Speaker 2: Like the levels of lingerie now are so like it's

639
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,560
Speaker 2: either Victoria's Secret, which is just so nineties and like

640
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 2: they've moved into just like being like hoodies, but that's

641
00:30:16,840 --> 00:30:20,680
Speaker 2: still so two thousands. Then there's like the high level

642
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:22,840
Speaker 2: of like Laperla, which is so sex and the city,

643
00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 2: but that's also kind of like so expensive.

644
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,080
Speaker 1: So special occasion and expensive, and it's so like, I mean,

645
00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: I guess, so is your Weddy night. But like you're

646
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: only doing that if you've decided to like go on

647
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: this Ditavontee's journey of like sexual awareness as like a

648
00:30:36,200 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: wife and.

649
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 2: It's so extreme, yeah, and you're like, oh, I'm surprising

650
00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:43,320
Speaker 2: my wife and it's gonna be lingerie or it's so

651
00:30:43,720 --> 00:30:46,320
Speaker 2: cheap and just like cheesy sex store and you're getting

652
00:30:46,320 --> 00:30:49,400
Speaker 2: the most like polyestra thong and then now underwear. Or

653
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 2: it's so parade and it's like love your.

654
00:30:51,080 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 1: Body and you're like absolutely getting HPV from the.

655
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:56,600
Speaker 2: Time, right, like it already is like a riddle.

656
00:30:56,640 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 1: Becomes riddled with HPV and like the earth that are

657
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 1: getting stuck in you hoha, like.

658
00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 2: Is there and like shout out if you have a

659
00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:09,640
Speaker 2: direct to consumer like sexy, affordable ethical lingerie company.

660
00:31:09,360 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 1: Oh my god, we're gonna get so much free parade.

661
00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 2: Well yeah, I'm saying, Or it's parade, that's just being

662
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 2: like love your body.

663
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: Love your body. It's like a three dollars gender queer

664
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:19,840
Speaker 1: piece of bad work.

665
00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:23,560
Speaker 2: Right, that's like you know, being like feel comfortable in

666
00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:25,800
Speaker 2: your minimized bosoms.

667
00:31:27,520 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: And it's like just like a sports prom.

668
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 2: That like has a little pride flag out up. So

669
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 2: she's of course like terrified to like this virginity, and

670
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,280
Speaker 2: but I think the sex life does amp up because

671
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 2: she says later on.

672
00:31:39,520 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 1: Kind of drags her second husband for like not really

673
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:44,480
Speaker 1: giving her the business, literally.

674
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 2: Drags her second man. So basically her and Sunny like

675
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 2: it's just gets so bad and he becomes like such

676
00:31:49,280 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 2: an alcoholic and it's just so fifties and he's always

677
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 2: blowing smoke and like literally like head down bottle of scotch,

678
00:31:55,760 --> 00:31:58,080
Speaker 2: being like if you buy one more.

679
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: Couch, It's like you don't even know a couches. I'm

680
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: my stopping out her cigarette as he's like throwing a

681
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 1: crystal ash tray against the wall and like the frow

682
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: is just like nervously choppingbleon cube. In the other room, the.

683
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,880
Speaker 3: Kids are returning back from their like borders.

684
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,360
Speaker 2: And they're like, Johnny, I thought you were coming back

685
00:32:19,400 --> 00:32:26,560
Speaker 2: Thanksgiving and they're like it is Thanksgiving, mother, and she's like,

686
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 2: oh and I haven't done any of my shopping. So

687
00:32:30,600 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 2: after like some final incident with they're throwing so we

688
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 2: plants at each other. She says she wants a divorce

689
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 2: and he's like, fine, haven't. And she's like, I think

690
00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:40,960
Speaker 2: I'm gonna be married within the year and he's like,

691
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 2: I bet you.

692
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:42,440
Speaker 3: Will, slut.

693
00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:47,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, but they never, actually, they never fishly get divorced.

694
00:32:48,000 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: Oh wait, that's why she keeps calling him her husband. Yeah, okay,

695
00:32:50,600 --> 00:32:53,440
Speaker 1: they never get divorced, but how fucking brutal is it

696
00:32:53,440 --> 00:32:54,320
Speaker 1: the mother in law?

697
00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 2: Oh, this is crazy.

698
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: So she cuts herself because she's like, I want attention,

699
00:32:57,920 --> 00:33:01,120
Speaker 1: Betty does. She checks herself into mental off at brestside

700
00:33:01,600 --> 00:33:03,440
Speaker 1: and she's hoping their husband's going to take her back whatever,

701
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,360
Speaker 1: but he's kind of just like you're like doing this

702
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: for cloud and your.

703
00:33:07,240 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 2: Random and like chasing cloud.

704
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:11,840
Speaker 1: Bitch, you're cloud chasing like cry for help girl, and

705
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:13,520
Speaker 1: like you don't care about her kids. And then she's like,

706
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 1: that's so true. I totally forgot about the kids. Where

707
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:19,800
Speaker 1: are they? And then the day she gets out of

708
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: the like facility for like very bad wives, she goes

709
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 1: back to her apartment, a car rolls up. She opens the.

710
00:33:28,200 --> 00:33:31,920
Speaker 2: Car and the car is driven by their driver.

711
00:33:32,760 --> 00:33:36,000
Speaker 1: It is her wedding dress that her mother in law

712
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,440
Speaker 1: was holding onto him whenever from many warehouses. The day

713
00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:41,160
Speaker 1: she gets out of hospital, the mother sends it back.

714
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:44,720
Speaker 1: It's like here you go, the sender return to sender,

715
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 1: no note, fucking brutal was that?

716
00:33:47,040 --> 00:33:49,719
Speaker 2: And of course like her your loyal driver but it's

717
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,719
Speaker 2: her husband's driver. Of course is just kind of silent

718
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 2: standing there and it's so like, I'm sorry, missus Hulbert.

719
00:33:55,120 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 1: I know just it's such a movie to make.

720
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,840
Speaker 2: I told that bart to mine. She was like, imagine

721
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 2: my mom like sends a tesla with your like Irish sweatshirts,

722
00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:11,359
Speaker 2: like we break up.

723
00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: Sola'sh just like a pile of like random memoirs of

724
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: housewives from HarperCollins that have been piling.

725
00:34:18,960 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 2: Up at all I got at her house.

726
00:34:20,800 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: So this is sort of like her raise on dat.

727
00:34:23,400 --> 00:34:26,400
Speaker 1: And she's like, Okay, now I'm divorced. I need to

728
00:34:26,440 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: make my own money. What can I do? What do

729
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: I know?

730
00:34:28,480 --> 00:34:32,560
Speaker 2: Clothes, clothes, darling. And she starts working for some man.

731
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:35,680
Speaker 2: It's like at a cocktail party basically, you know, and

732
00:34:35,719 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 2: sometimes you know, it's that thing where you have to

733
00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 2: go low, have to hit rock bottom, yeah, to find

734
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 2: your way.

735
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: So she starts working as like an assistant at Jeffrey Bean.

736
00:34:43,600 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 2: And she's like, Jeffrey Bean was like the countiest kind

737
00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 2: of all guns.

738
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 1: He's so cunty and like quiet. When I think of

739
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: Jeffrey Bean, I guess I just don't think of the

740
00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:54,759
Speaker 1: most fabulous clothes of all time.

741
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:58,480
Speaker 2: No, yeah, we're thinking like the nineteen ninety one like

742
00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,960
Speaker 2: Pale lou Jeffrey Bean buttoned down like you're seeing those

743
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,800
Speaker 2: thrift stories. And she basically says that Isaac Muss Rocky

744
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 2: like took off where Jeffrey Bean left off.

745
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 1: No, I mean Jeffrey Bean walked so brod. I was

746
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: like tea okay, where like Isaac comes in one day

747
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: and she's like, Darling, the pants don't fit anymore. Oh

748
00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:23,879
Speaker 1: like for some reason, the pants always fit really well.

749
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:25,960
Speaker 1: Whatever is happening with the factories. I don't know what's

750
00:35:25,960 --> 00:35:28,000
Speaker 1: going on. The pants are not fitting anyone. And he

751
00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,360
Speaker 1: was like pissed, but then he like did fix the problem.

752
00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: He was like, honestly, thank you for saying that. Like

753
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:35,279
Speaker 1: that was like being told I've gained weight by my mom.

754
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 1: Like it was harsh, but you.

755
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:38,759
Speaker 3: Don't want to hear it, but someone had to say it.

756
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:40,440
Speaker 2: And she was like, hey, always had the best fitting

757
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:42,759
Speaker 2: pants until you know, and I feel like we've all

758
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 2: noticed that in some brands, Like you have some brands

759
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:47,200
Speaker 2: that you're like, well, this has always fit me so well.

760
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 2: The pants always this brawl always fits me so well.

761
00:35:49,480 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 2: The underwear fits so well. So you're like, I'll go

762
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:55,480
Speaker 2: back for more, and then you're like, something isn't right, Lily.

763
00:35:55,560 --> 00:35:57,880
Speaker 1: What's your favorite brand of pants and where do you

764
00:35:57,960 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: think fits your body the best.

765
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:04,000
Speaker 2: Probby best fitting for jeans, I'll say that my made

766
00:36:04,000 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 2: Well Men's Athletic taper jeans.

767
00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:11,399
Speaker 1: You are so desperate for this Made Well Men's influencer ask.

768
00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 2: Okay, but what I'm talking about changing brands is I

769
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:20,800
Speaker 2: always love buying the Dicky slim straight work pants thirty Bucks.

770
00:36:21,040 --> 00:36:24,080
Speaker 2: They're like, you know, not too wide leg, but like

771
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 2: still straight leg and wide. And I feel like I've

772
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,719
Speaker 2: ordered some recently and they just do fit different, and

773
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,359
Speaker 2: like some are too big, but some are too tight.

774
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 1: I do agree. I think that Dickies are getting less

775
00:36:33,520 --> 00:36:37,240
Speaker 1: consistent in their fit, and I'm sometimes like they're flaring

776
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:38,440
Speaker 1: too much down there.

777
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,600
Speaker 2: Right, You're like you're flaring. You're like, why is it

778
00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:43,440
Speaker 2: flaring within tightened ass? Maybe my ask just got bicker,

779
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 2: But I've heard from thinner people that they've had this

780
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 2: same problem. So if you're saying it it's not just

781
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 2: my ass getting.

782
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: Bigger, you've heard from thinner people. I was walking by

783
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: Lucy and the other day I heard some people talking

784
00:36:58,000 --> 00:36:59,920
Speaker 1: about Dickies saying that it's cone down.

785
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 2: I'm just camped out with a hot Dog front.

786
00:37:04,760 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 1: I have to say, I don't know if I could

787
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,400
Speaker 1: say that any brand actually consistently fits me, right, I

788
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:12,279
Speaker 1: have my hips are much whiter than I would like

789
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: them to be, and I'm just always having trouble finding

790
00:37:16,239 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 1: the perfect pair of jeans. This pair of vintage ll

791
00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: Being jeans I got recently are one of my new

792
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: favorite pairs. Like, I love the way they fit. But

793
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:26,520
Speaker 1: it's just, you know, it's luck of the draw. It's like,

794
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: seems completely random, right.

795
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,600
Speaker 2: Sometimes it works if you're like I find this brand

796
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,560
Speaker 2: Attith Restore or whatever, and you're like, this fit exactly,

797
00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 2: but you could find it again. It doesn't fit.

798
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 1: And a lot of things I have to like, you know,

799
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:38,960
Speaker 1: get slightly tailored.

800
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 2: And of course that's why she uses g her fitter. Yeah,

801
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 2: but I want to get to say what she says

802
00:37:44,239 --> 00:37:47,000
Speaker 2: about also back into shopping when she know she's really

803
00:37:47,040 --> 00:37:49,560
Speaker 2: in her Bird Dwarf bag. And by the way, basically

804
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 2: she starts working for Jeffrey Bean. Jeffrey Bean is a

805
00:37:51,880 --> 00:37:54,919
Speaker 2: huge bitch to her write some insanely threatening letter being

806
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 2: like you're actually the worst bitch in the entire world,

807
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 2: and she's like, go so crazy and she's like, Okay,

808
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 2: I'm I'm going to show this the head of Bird

809
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 2: Dwarfs and show him what a bitch you are to me.

810
00:38:05,400 --> 00:38:08,240
Speaker 2: And then nothing happens with the letter. It's like, Okay,

811
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:09,720
Speaker 2: you guys are all so random.

812
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like no one cares.

813
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:15,239
Speaker 2: But she finally gets her own little office in Bird

814
00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 2: Dwarfs and Little Fitter, and it was a huge, like

815
00:38:18,320 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 2: humbling experience because it's like all the women she was

816
00:38:21,280 --> 00:38:23,680
Speaker 2: hanging out with, now we're seeing her as the other

817
00:38:23,800 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 2: side staph.

818
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's very when you're I remember catering

819
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: in an event once when I was a cater reader,

820
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:35,560
Speaker 1: like so briefly and like seeing some gay that I

821
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:37,919
Speaker 1: actually think I had slept with once and I think,

822
00:38:37,920 --> 00:38:40,160
Speaker 1: I mean I know, and it was like an art thing,

823
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: and I was just like, oh, this is kind of

824
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:43,960
Speaker 1: like awkward, but I was like held my head high.

825
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: I was like, whatever, that's actually cool that I'm catering

826
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:47,799
Speaker 1: so badass.

827
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,080
Speaker 2: The one time you had like kind of a lower

828
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 2: man's job.

829
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: Right, and I was like, you wish you could have

830
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: this working class factory job, you silver spoon art bitch.

831
00:38:58,160 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 2: Or like the time I was scrubbing the floor of

832
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 2: the Rigeal Comy office, and these girls came up to

833
00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 2: me and were like, did you at Talkole last night?

834
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,279
Speaker 2: You were really funny And I'm scrubbing and being like yeah.

835
00:39:08,480 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: So Pat Field comes in one day and she's starting

836
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: to get this reputation, so she then she starts kind

837
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 1: of like helping movies and television shows like by clothes

838
00:39:17,360 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: and like that becomes like half the business because everybody

839
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:23,920
Speaker 1: wants fabulous clothes for their cast. And of course Pat

840
00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: Field comes in one day and like she's heard about

841
00:39:26,560 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: Pat and she has this reputation is being a bitch

842
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 1: Betty does, and she's like, I'm not sure, like how

843
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 1: it's going to go over. In her Raspey Spoker's voice,

844
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:36,720
Speaker 1: Pat talked to me about the four distinct women which

845
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: this new HBO show about being single in the city revolved.

846
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:42,000
Speaker 1: The look, she said, was crucial. The style would have

847
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,799
Speaker 1: to be nuanced and not just another group of girls

848
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 1: in mini skirts and heels. This is a show for

849
00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 1: women about women. Based on her description, I thought we

850
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 1: should sort of the fourth floor where there was one

851
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: department I wanted to see. Unfortunately, there was a lot

852
00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:59,400
Speaker 1: of bad between the elevator and my destination. Who bought

853
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 1: this guard? I said, I hadn't even realized, I mean

854
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 1: in her thoughts that escaped through my mouth until Pat

855
00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 1: and the two heavily tattooed assistants she'd brought with her

856
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:10,000
Speaker 1: started laughing. I guess they didn't think anyone in the

857
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: store would be ghosh enough to speak the truth in

858
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 1: their language. No less, I simply cocked an eyebrown, kept walking.

859
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 5: Now I get what I'm dealing where Pat said, sizing

860
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 5: me up. And Miley, you're an arch critic, you, she continued,

861
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 5: aiming a purple pointer nail at me are someone who

862
00:40:27,840 --> 00:40:32,160
Speaker 5: needs to be amused. Like all creative types, we vea

863
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 5: toyed the people we think gonna give us the bird seed.

864
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,839
Speaker 2: Making Pat Fields bully Joey's agent from friends. Also, when

865
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 2: I got this book, it was like her book next

866
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 2: to Pat Field's book, and I was like, we do

867
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 2: need to do this book. But I was like, I've

868
00:40:48,440 --> 00:40:49,320
Speaker 2: never heard of this woman.

869
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,160
Speaker 1: Like right, let's take good exploration. Let's go down a

870
00:40:52,200 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 1: road we have.

871
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,480
Speaker 2: Because I think it's like people that told Pat Field like, oh,

872
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:58,240
Speaker 2: this kind of like coity toity Upper East Side woman.

873
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 2: They kind of like thought.

874
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:02,960
Speaker 3: She was gonna be more pushing, probably like Chanelle Jackets.

875
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 1: They didn't realize that she's actually just like honest.

876
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 2: And that's why she's on salary.

877
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 3: And this part is so funny.

878
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,520
Speaker 2: She's like, oh, me and Pat have an amazing friendship now,

879
00:41:13,520 --> 00:41:15,680
Speaker 2: and she's like, I an Upper East Side, are clostered

880
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:17,239
Speaker 2: myself in the store during the week and in the

881
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 2: quiet of the country on the weekends. You can't tell

882
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 2: the book by its cover. Pat was right, we were

883
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 2: like and in more ways than just enjoying a good

884
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,200
Speaker 2: wise crack, she's like today. I work regularly with her

885
00:41:27,200 --> 00:41:31,560
Speaker 2: proteges such as Gossip Girls, Eric Dahmann, Smashes, Palo ne Do,

886
00:41:32,239 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 2: Jackie Demitario's of the Big Sea, and the film The

887
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 2: Other Woman.

888
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:41,800
Speaker 1: I love the idea that Smash is like a protege project,

889
00:41:41,840 --> 00:41:44,399
Speaker 1: like fashion wise Sex in the City. It's like, oh yeah,

890
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,560
Speaker 1: it's like a fashioned daughter to Sex and the City, Like,

891
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:49,840
Speaker 1: oh yeah, Smash known for its wardrobe. The outfits on

892
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,840
Speaker 1: Smash legendary, replicable, you know, And I think.

893
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 2: It's like the main thing of her, like Ethos is

894
00:41:56,400 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 2: like I am not here too stuffed, closets.

895
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: Period, And she's like, these women are all ridiculously wealthy.

896
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 1: Everything is insanely expensive, Like it's disgusting. Let's get that

897
00:42:06,560 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: out of the way, Like we already that this so like,

898
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 1: on the one hand, I'm not going to feel so

899
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,840
Speaker 1: guilty about like every single piece of clothing. And she's like,

900
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:15,280
Speaker 1: I'd never look at prices. I know they're all ridiculous suspensive,

901
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 1: Like that's not the point. The point is just like

902
00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 1: what's truly going to be fun and make people happy?

903
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 1: And like what do they absolutely not need under any circumstances,

904
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: and like let's be reasonable.

905
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 2: She literally tells so many women you've had enough today,

906
00:42:28,840 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 2: Like it literally is like she's kicking them out of

907
00:42:32,120 --> 00:42:36,640
Speaker 2: the bar. She's like it's very like we open at ten. Okay,

908
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:38,719
Speaker 2: you can come back, but you're done for the day.

909
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:41,920
Speaker 1: It's about like expanding your mind a little bit and

910
00:42:41,960 --> 00:42:43,120
Speaker 1: seeing what clothes can do.

911
00:42:43,640 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 2: No, literally expanding your mind. When it's like this woman

912
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,720
Speaker 2: comes in, she's like, I'm looking for just like ten

913
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 2: black pants and white tailored shirts. She's like, why am

914
00:42:52,520 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 2: I here? Of this part? She goes and also many

915
00:42:54,800 --> 00:42:57,399
Speaker 2: people arrived in outfits that were ghastly in their fit

916
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,560
Speaker 2: in color. But they had to be convined to part

917
00:43:00,560 --> 00:43:03,799
Speaker 2: with them because of the clothing's label. If one buys

918
00:43:03,800 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 2: a piece because of a label or a particular store

919
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 2: and it is not becoming, the item is worth nothing,

920
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 2: which is so true.

921
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,759
Speaker 1: And she does this thing her strategy where she's I

922
00:43:13,840 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: buy one thing that's like gonna be like too easy,

923
00:43:17,040 --> 00:43:18,919
Speaker 1: too in her comfort zone, one thing that's like too

924
00:43:18,960 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 1: hard for them, and then something that's kind of in

925
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: the middle. And so you give them an option, which

926
00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,399
Speaker 1: I think is always a good strategy anytime you're trying

927
00:43:25,400 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 1: to convince anyone of anything. Give them choices and make

928
00:43:29,400 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: one a reach and one feel too safe, and one

929
00:43:32,000 --> 00:43:34,319
Speaker 1: in the middle, because they will, almost nine times out

930
00:43:34,320 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 1: of time go for the one in the middle. But

931
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: they won't go for it if you don't.

932
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:39,120
Speaker 2: Have the reachar show them the push. What do you

933
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 2: feel like is an item that you were that pushed you?

934
00:43:42,719 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 1: I mean the cardigan I'm wearing right now, this Margella.

935
00:43:46,719 --> 00:43:47,719
Speaker 1: It's the one with the like.

936
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:50,959
Speaker 2: Rips, the rips, the shreds, like a little tabby cat

937
00:43:51,040 --> 00:43:52,200
Speaker 2: got to it right.

938
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:56,120
Speaker 1: It's a nasty, nasty, little bitty cat. Sweater for a

939
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,840
Speaker 1: nasty little cat. This was huge for me because I

940
00:43:58,880 --> 00:44:02,280
Speaker 1: didn't really do cardigans before. Then it was like looser,

941
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:04,239
Speaker 1: even though I've always said I love stuff that's like

942
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 1: vaguely Japanese. Like it was so lucks but so versatile,

943
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,319
Speaker 1: and like I immediately was like, wait a minute, this

944
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: is going to add so much to so many things,

945
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,120
Speaker 1: And like the rippedness was a little bit fashioning, maybe

946
00:44:16,160 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 1: more fashion than th I was used to, but it

947
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:23,160
Speaker 1: also just felt so I felt so at home in it, and.

948
00:44:23,239 --> 00:44:25,800
Speaker 2: That saying you should feel at home, you should be pushed,

949
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 2: but be able to feel at home.

950
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:28,839
Speaker 1: The one thing I love that she says is she's

951
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,360
Speaker 1: like something's ever going to get better the more you

952
00:44:31,400 --> 00:44:33,399
Speaker 1: wear it. If you don't love it when you put

953
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: it on, don't get it. And like we struggle with

954
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 1: this all the time. We will waffle with stuff. We're

955
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: always at a store being like, wait, I'm not sure,

956
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:42,359
Speaker 1: and it's like if you're not sure, put it back

957
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 1: then it's literally I know, right. We still make that

958
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:45,359
Speaker 1: mistake too much.

959
00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:47,520
Speaker 2: I think absolutely I make that mistake all the time,

960
00:44:47,520 --> 00:44:49,439
Speaker 2: but I've gotten better at it.

961
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: What was a huge transition piece for you.

962
00:44:52,080 --> 00:44:54,759
Speaker 2: I mean I talk about this, I feel like all

963
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 2: the time, but it was when I just came for

964
00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:00,919
Speaker 2: fun and she actually talks about this, you bring someone

965
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 2: along to your styling shopping spray. When I came with

966
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 2: you too, Dover.

967
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, the good fight, the good fight.

968
00:45:09,000 --> 00:45:10,960
Speaker 3: And I was just there to laugh along.

969
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:13,240
Speaker 2: And I was like, I can't get anything at this store,

970
00:45:13,440 --> 00:45:15,799
Speaker 2: like I'm just here to like take videos of my

971
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,040
Speaker 2: crazy gay friend Steven, spend a lot of money. And

972
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:22,000
Speaker 2: then I saw this kind of like sheer. You know,

973
00:45:22,080 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 2: it still was in the range of basically this kind

974
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 2: of like bowling shirt style, which is my classic style,

975
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,480
Speaker 2: but it was like a sheer patterned shirt.

976
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: And also a little bit more structured too. I mean,

977
00:45:32,120 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 1: it had a stiffness to it that you don't usually get. Well.

978
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:36,880
Speaker 2: It was I either go to structure where it's like

979
00:45:36,960 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 2: the thickest, heaviest like man's material, or it's more like

980
00:45:42,400 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 2: flimsy bowling, and this was like a structured in a

981
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 2: little more of a fashioning way. And I was like, oh, well,

982
00:45:49,520 --> 00:45:52,200
Speaker 2: I can just try it on, and then that size

983
00:45:52,400 --> 00:45:54,799
Speaker 2: didn't fit. But then you know, I remembered it and

984
00:45:54,880 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 2: I caught it online and did purchase it for myself,

985
00:45:58,080 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 2: and I think some other times maybe I've thought like, oh,

986
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:05,399
Speaker 2: a sheerness would be too fam or something like that,

987
00:46:06,440 --> 00:46:08,319
Speaker 2: or a little too like gay guy, and I was like,

988
00:46:08,680 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 2: but in that putting it on, you just know when

989
00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 2: you put something on, and you know if you.

990
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,279
Speaker 1: Know, you know, trust your instinct on that one, but

991
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:17,880
Speaker 1: be open to new ideas.

992
00:46:18,000 --> 00:46:20,560
Speaker 2: Yes, there's also things that you'd be like, oh, I'm

993
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:22,720
Speaker 2: not sure, and maybe your friends are like no, no, no,

994
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,080
Speaker 2: and you kind of know. There are times also, I

995
00:46:25,080 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 2: think when you can try something on and you know

996
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,600
Speaker 2: the difference between the fear of oh I want this

997
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:32,319
Speaker 2: and it's not fitting, well if it's not for me,

998
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 2: or I think this does look good, but like is

999
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:37,320
Speaker 2: it cute?

1000
00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's another thing because both could be

1001
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: and maybe a no, I think okay, I do feel

1002
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 1: like though there's a difference between I'm not sure about

1003
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:52,839
Speaker 1: this because I don't know if it's actually cute, or

1004
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,319
Speaker 1: I'm not sure about this because I secretly know it

1005
00:46:56,400 --> 00:47:01,160
Speaker 1: is cute, but I don't know if I can pull yes.

1006
00:47:01,120 --> 00:47:03,600
Speaker 2: Pull it off. And then of course there's like fit.

1007
00:47:03,520 --> 00:47:05,799
Speaker 1: But I think the ladder you actually do need to

1008
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 1: go for it. You need to find the courage to

1009
00:47:07,320 --> 00:47:09,960
Speaker 1: push yourself, whereas the former you need to find the

1010
00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:12,480
Speaker 1: courage to say this actually doesn't look great and it's

1011
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: not cute.

1012
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:15,759
Speaker 2: Right, And then I think there are times that you know,

1013
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,879
Speaker 2: I'm sure we've both had where you're like, you get

1014
00:47:18,920 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 2: something and you're like, I think this is cute. I

1015
00:47:22,520 --> 00:47:26,640
Speaker 2: know some other folks out there may not, but I'm

1016
00:47:26,640 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 2: gonna do it.

1017
00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: You need to pull the trigger anyway. Yeah, I need

1018
00:47:29,280 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 1: to listen to yourself. Yeah, we all do that. We

1019
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: all go against the advice of our friends sometimes, and

1020
00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: I often I'm quite happy that I did. And I

1021
00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,960
Speaker 1: think that's why it's important for your friends to like

1022
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,799
Speaker 1: tell you no sometimes because then if you still really

1023
00:47:39,840 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: want it, then you know that you really do care about.

1024
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 2: It, right, because you're like, oh, okay, so you don't

1025
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,120
Speaker 2: want me to get the shirt, fine, but fuck you.

1026
00:47:46,600 --> 00:47:50,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I want to talk about the Battle

1027
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:53,080
Speaker 1: of the sleeve for a second. She brings up this

1028
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: interesting idea that I was a little bit confused by

1029
00:47:56,200 --> 00:47:59,279
Speaker 1: because she's talking about how she's actually an incredible contributor

1030
00:47:59,320 --> 00:48:02,880
Speaker 1: to like them in this movement by telling designers to

1031
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:04,839
Speaker 1: like change the cuts of their clothing to like fit

1032
00:48:04,880 --> 00:48:08,000
Speaker 1: people better. I can tell established designers when they're cutting

1033
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:10,000
Speaker 1: their arm post too small for regular women, or that

1034
00:48:10,080 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 1: the necklines of their latest collection do nothing to flatter

1035
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 1: a bosom. Consider my contribution to the feminist movement. The

1036
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: one battle we've all lost is the battle of the sleeve.

1037
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: For some god forsaken reason, designers today refuse to give

1038
00:48:22,000 --> 00:48:24,359
Speaker 1: the option of a sleeve, and women, as a rule,

1039
00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 1: do not like their upper arms. You can work out

1040
00:48:26,640 --> 00:48:28,719
Speaker 1: from now to Kingdom come or so I hear, and

1041
00:48:28,800 --> 00:48:31,120
Speaker 1: the arms are either too muscular or too flabby. So

1042
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 1: her to be like, I've never been to the gym,

1043
00:48:33,440 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: I've known nothing about exercise, So give the option of

1044
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 1: a cover. I say, so, just one understand she's saying,

1045
00:48:38,719 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 1: like every short should come in a sleepless or what

1046
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: she's saying.

1047
00:48:43,560 --> 00:48:47,239
Speaker 2: I think she's saying. The patriarchy has made so many

1048
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:52,239
Speaker 2: dresses that are sleeveless. I mean, watch any episode of

1049
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:56,320
Speaker 2: Say Us to the Dress with your classic American woman

1050
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:58,520
Speaker 2: from thin to plus.

1051
00:48:58,200 --> 00:49:00,920
Speaker 1: Size, and somehow even the thinnest girls their arms.

1052
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:03,600
Speaker 2: And she's like, and they're in there, and she's like,

1053
00:49:03,800 --> 00:49:06,759
Speaker 2: I don't like my arms and like the Atlanta Gay

1054
00:49:06,880 --> 00:49:09,640
Speaker 2: is like, no, girl, you look amazing, and then he

1055
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 2: pulls like some like really cheesy like silken wrap, right,

1056
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 2: and this is so much better.

1057
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:19,880
Speaker 1: No, okay, so I agree, So there should be more

1058
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:20,920
Speaker 1: dresses with sleeves.

1059
00:49:20,960 --> 00:49:24,879
Speaker 2: I think it's like sleeve options, is what she's saying. Well,

1060
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 2: she also comes from a very weird mixed sleeve background

1061
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 2: where her father would cut off This isn't.

1062
00:49:36,760 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 1: This is her trauma.

1063
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:40,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, her mother would buy the father shirts

1064
00:49:40,680 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 2: and he literally.

1065
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,719
Speaker 1: Ran departments like these Brooks Brothers shirts and he would

1066
00:49:43,719 --> 00:49:46,240
Speaker 1: cut off the sleeves, which is like so like fashion

1067
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:47,360
Speaker 1: bushwick gay, it's a.

1068
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:50,200
Speaker 2: Really bushwa and not like to make He would make it.

1069
00:49:50,200 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: Just like where because he was really sweaty, like a

1070
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:53,400
Speaker 1: three quarter.

1071
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,240
Speaker 2: Leg and he didn't want to be like constricted.

1072
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:56,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1073
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 2: Well, and she was always like Daddy never stopped eat.

1074
00:50:03,520 --> 00:50:07,080
Speaker 2: She'd be like, we'd have clotted cream, peaches, then double

1075
00:50:07,200 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 2: lamb chop, then brandy. Well, he was in his cups.

1076
00:50:11,840 --> 00:50:13,799
Speaker 1: He was in his cups. He never saw pork chop

1077
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,520
Speaker 1: he didn't like. And the trunkkeded sleeves allowed him to

1078
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 1: eat more and more.

1079
00:50:20,440 --> 00:50:22,040
Speaker 2: And just kind of a wrap on her life, like

1080
00:50:22,080 --> 00:50:25,359
Speaker 2: she actually does find like insane cute happiness and like

1081
00:50:26,000 --> 00:50:28,719
Speaker 2: it's classic, like you're with the toxic guy from the

1082
00:50:28,760 --> 00:50:31,680
Speaker 2: beginning he really attracted to and then she finds this

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00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 2: kind of like nice guy that lives in New Jersey

1084
00:50:34,800 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 2: and is Irish American and wears nice polo blazers, but

1085
00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:42,680
Speaker 2: like doesn't rail her the way she wants, which she

1086
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,640
Speaker 2: basically says in a few words.

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00:50:45,520 --> 00:50:48,240
Speaker 1: She's like, we wasn't quite the sexual tractor have with Sunny,

1088
00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: but it was a commitment.

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00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:53,040
Speaker 2: Nonetheless, she was like, and we would have so many

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00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,879
Speaker 2: laughs and like we would try okay.

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Speaker 1: But the only two other things I want to mention

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00:50:57,440 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 1: were a when she says that Eliza Manelli was really

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00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:01,080
Speaker 1: snow oh yeah.

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00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:03,440
Speaker 2: And she's talking about all these celebrities that come to

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00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:06,080
Speaker 2: and she's listening, and then she's like, well, Liza, when

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00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 2: Nelly came, she had such a cold and I told

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00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,479
Speaker 2: her to like get a tissue, so she became very

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00:51:10,480 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 2: grumpy and sniffly in the corner of.

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00:51:12,320 --> 00:51:18,400
Speaker 1: The room, grumpy sniff Eliza. And then Gerald Ford comes

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00:51:18,400 --> 00:51:24,040
Speaker 1: in with Betty and then like Betty's like Chinese dresses

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00:51:24,040 --> 00:51:25,960
Speaker 1: for him, and they are being so cute and flirty,

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00:51:26,600 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 1: and then she like packed up the dress to give

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00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,560
Speaker 1: for going to some event, and he tucked the dress

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00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: under her shoulder like a football that he was carrying

1105
00:51:34,520 --> 00:51:36,799
Speaker 1: at University of Chicago. And I said, no, no, no,

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00:51:36,880 --> 00:51:39,080
Speaker 1: mister President, you have to carry the dress like this.

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00:51:39,239 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 1: And then he goes, hey, look at this, this Brad's

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00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 1: teaching me how to carry a dress.

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Speaker 3: She's like, mark my words. I don't mean to correct

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00:51:45,160 --> 00:51:46,000
Speaker 3: the president, but.

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00:51:57,160 --> 00:51:59,320
Speaker 2: I'll drink a segments Sagdorf Goodman.

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00:52:00,640 --> 00:52:02,880
Speaker 1: What does she eat, what does she wear? How does

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00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:03,279
Speaker 1: she live?

1114
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 2: Does she live?

1115
00:52:04,760 --> 00:52:05,560
Speaker 3: Where does she live?

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00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,880
Speaker 2: She literally still works at Bordoor. She's ninety five.

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00:52:09,080 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 1: I'm sure her house has so much chintz. It has

1118
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:17,200
Speaker 1: so many fabulous like little mahogany desks and all the

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00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:18,640
Speaker 1: china on display.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure as being in some of these farms, it

1121
00:52:21,120 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 2: feels like nothing has ever been sat in.

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00:52:24,239 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: Okay, or it feels like Steff has been sat in

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00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:29,760
Speaker 1: for two hundred years, and there's like such like imprint.

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00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: She talks about like how the chair in her office

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00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:34,359
Speaker 1: was like so sat the fuck up and by one

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00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,480
Speaker 1: of her assistants for it. So like I do feel

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00:52:36,480 --> 00:52:39,680
Speaker 1: like she has when you know that silk material, it's

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00:52:39,719 --> 00:52:44,000
Speaker 1: like a silk shinwasie covered like Luiskator's chair, and like

1129
00:52:44,160 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: it actually has like a full like stained asprint on it.

1130
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:49,560
Speaker 2: I feel like it's just she has the apartment of

1131
00:52:49,600 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 2: the woman I cleaned for.

1132
00:52:50,920 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 1: Yeah, and there's fabric, every.

1133
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,799
Speaker 2: Fabric everywhere, and it's so just like different wallpapers, and

1134
00:52:55,840 --> 00:52:56,880
Speaker 2: like she does collect.

1135
00:52:57,120 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 1: The shower is like has fabric walls to.

1136
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:01,520
Speaker 3: Right and everything is like gold.

1137
00:53:01,560 --> 00:53:03,520
Speaker 2: And that was so many chok keys and it was

1138
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 2: like so many little things of like little dogs and

1139
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,359
Speaker 2: like little mirrors. And she does like talk about like

1140
00:53:10,960 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 2: going and buying vint stools. So she also is being

1141
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 2: so like a state sale.

1142
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: Do you think she's still eating in such a fifties

1143
00:53:17,040 --> 00:53:20,960
Speaker 1: way and just being like lunch crab salad, three drops

1144
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,680
Speaker 1: of sherry. She gets so sex mannaise.

1145
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 2: She hads so sex in the city and is like,

1146
00:53:26,000 --> 00:53:28,360
Speaker 2: well a group of us girls would all go get

1147
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:30,400
Speaker 2: Japanese somewhere in the East fifties.

1148
00:53:31,040 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 1: Oh, in her later years, yeah, she is still being

1149
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:34,439
Speaker 1: just like midtown girl.

1150
00:53:34,480 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 2: Now. I think she's like eating a miso soup and

1151
00:53:37,880 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 2: it's taking her forty five minutes.

1152
00:53:40,239 --> 00:53:44,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, bird bird like behavior, bird sipping. I mean she

1153
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,879
Speaker 1: looks very bird like. On the cover, it's this black

1154
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:50,880
Speaker 1: and white photo and she's in this like insane poncho,

1155
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:52,520
Speaker 1: this like wool poncho.

1156
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:58,600
Speaker 2: And then she's making like a poached chicken salad sometimes

1157
00:53:58,880 --> 00:54:01,880
Speaker 2: but mostly like her main or her frow like made

1158
00:54:01,920 --> 00:54:02,720
Speaker 2: her the food.

1159
00:54:03,280 --> 00:54:06,160
Speaker 3: So I think she's getting sushi with the goals.

1160
00:54:05,960 --> 00:54:08,440
Speaker 1: And then it's poach samon poached chicken, and then like

1161
00:54:08,520 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: three lemon slices.

1162
00:54:09,960 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, lemon water, and like she does drink. I'll drink

1163
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 2: to that, but she's kind of actually like not such

1164
00:54:17,040 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 2: a huge Drinkerardly.

1165
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: The book is not so much about alcohol. I was

1166
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:21,759
Speaker 1: expecting a few more martinis in here.

1167
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:24,280
Speaker 2: She has so many lines where she's like, at times,

1168
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:27,320
Speaker 2: I wish I drank, Like she doesn't keep a bottle

1169
00:54:27,400 --> 00:54:31,279
Speaker 2: of vodkoa she says some people do in their office. Yeah,

1170
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 2: because her Sonny was so in his cups, which I

1171
00:54:34,280 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 2: could just keep on saying forever. What did she wear?

1172
00:54:37,440 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 2: I mean, just like fabulous clothes. But she's being more

1173
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 2: classic designer, where she's being like wearing a stunning vintage

1174
00:54:46,640 --> 00:54:49,000
Speaker 2: Christian do or cape lit.

1175
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:52,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's so cape lit. She's charcoal cape lit out

1176
00:54:52,600 --> 00:54:54,400
Speaker 1: the who because she's always been like, well, I'm not

1177
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 1: that crazy. I'm not wearing like a fabulous Baja print

1178
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:02,839
Speaker 1: palazzo pant. I'm just doing like a really simple charcoal

1179
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 1: dress pant, like with one Chanel chain and like a

1180
00:55:06,360 --> 00:55:07,240
Speaker 1: vintage brooch.

1181
00:55:07,840 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 2: But then it's like, well and I will wear like

1182
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 2: my vintage fox jacket if I'm going to the symphony.

1183
00:55:15,520 --> 00:55:18,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I don't think she has like so many prints.

1184
00:55:18,280 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 2: Frankly, No, she's not like decked in Pucci scarves.

1185
00:55:22,000 --> 00:55:26,440
Speaker 1: And she's not even been so big necklaces. But maybe

1186
00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 1: she is being.

1187
00:55:28,239 --> 00:55:33,439
Speaker 2: Collie putting on a huge crazy perishanal glasses. Yeah, some

1188
00:55:33,480 --> 00:55:37,359
Speaker 2: pearl earrings, maybe a statement necklace. What do you think

1189
00:55:37,360 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 2: her underwear is? Speaking of lingerie, I don't know what

1190
00:55:40,719 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 2: she's doing it her marriage.

1191
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:44,920
Speaker 1: Do you think it's like so like the classic what

1192
00:55:44,960 --> 00:55:48,840
Speaker 1: we're calling Grandma panties, like high waisted, or it's so soft.

1193
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:51,479
Speaker 2: Maybe it's like a silk high waisted pitch. She also

1194
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:55,239
Speaker 2: has this whole funny like part where her second boyfriend

1195
00:55:55,320 --> 00:55:57,520
Speaker 2: in life. Jim the Irish one would like took her

1196
00:55:57,520 --> 00:56:00,839
Speaker 2: to a mall in New Jersey to buy jeans, and

1197
00:56:00,880 --> 00:56:04,760
Speaker 2: she was like, I tried on every disgusting pair, flared,

1198
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 2: cowboy cut, disgusting.

1199
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:09,920
Speaker 3: I didn't buy one, and I've never worn cheans in

1200
00:56:09,960 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 3: my life.

1201
00:56:10,320 --> 00:56:12,040
Speaker 1: This day, she can't wear jeans.

1202
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:14,360
Speaker 2: I can't even imagine her wearing jeans.

1203
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,080
Speaker 1: Kind of obsessed with draw the line you have to.

1204
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:23,520
Speaker 2: Who are you in the book, h Jeffrey Bean.

1205
00:56:25,440 --> 00:56:28,279
Speaker 1: Just like the stitious little bitch sending letters.

1206
00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:31,400
Speaker 2: Making cutting edge sportswear for women in the sixties?

1207
00:56:31,600 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 1: Are you? Her prude friend at Colorado College who like

1208
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:36,879
Speaker 1: breaks up with her as a friend when she starts

1209
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: wearing mascara because she's like, you're such a horror.

1210
00:56:40,520 --> 00:56:44,080
Speaker 3: It's like nineteen forty nine. I'm like, you are a whore.

1211
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:46,600
Speaker 3: I feel like.

1212
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:50,319
Speaker 2: I'm one of the friends that's like coming to her

1213
00:56:50,360 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 2: brick Shear's house when she's still married and I'm like

1214
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:56,040
Speaker 2: getting two in my cups like at her house.

1215
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:58,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think I'm one of the people that's

1216
00:56:58,680 --> 00:57:02,239
Speaker 1: like populating this world of dinner parties like earlier on

1217
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: where she's just been like some of them were his

1218
00:57:04,280 --> 00:57:06,439
Speaker 1: close friends, some of them were not, and they were

1219
00:57:06,480 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 1: coming and drinking and like making a mess at my house.

1220
00:57:09,040 --> 00:57:11,200
Speaker 2: And she's like, I don't know, Sonny always picked up

1221
00:57:11,239 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 2: the check but didn't have money for like us.

1222
00:57:13,800 --> 00:57:15,680
Speaker 1: I mean, ultimately you and I are going to that

1223
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:17,680
Speaker 1: dinner party or just being like, oh my god, got

1224
00:57:17,680 --> 00:57:20,160
Speaker 1: this house. This house is insane, and we're like we're

1225
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 1: there and we're lavire with our hands and then leaving going.

1226
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 2: Into her closet and we're like having all the like

1227
00:57:25,240 --> 00:57:29,600
Speaker 2: clotted cream like brandy dinners, and she's been like, I

1228
00:57:29,640 --> 00:57:32,040
Speaker 2: don't even know who these people are. Why have they

1229
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:32,720
Speaker 2: had my books?

1230
00:57:32,760 --> 00:57:35,600
Speaker 3: She is home, Okay, I.

1231
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 2: Give this book four point one Palazzo pants out of five,

1232
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 2: Like she's pretty freaking fabulous and like she does give

1233
00:57:45,920 --> 00:57:48,120
Speaker 2: tea and it's way more vulnerable than I thought, and

1234
00:57:48,200 --> 00:57:51,200
Speaker 2: her being way more like I'm at a mental hospital

1235
00:57:51,680 --> 00:57:54,520
Speaker 2: and I'm on the ground like cutting myself, but then

1236
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,880
Speaker 2: also being like Cameron Diez wouldn't try on this sweater.

1237
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 1: It is beautiful and vulnerability. Yeah, I'm gonna give it

1238
00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 1: four out of five. Sleeveless dresses just because I do

1239
00:58:08,920 --> 00:58:11,240
Speaker 1: like the meaning sofa I love the parts where she's

1240
00:58:11,240 --> 00:58:13,640
Speaker 1: talking about shopping for people, and I wish that there

1241
00:58:13,680 --> 00:58:15,920
Speaker 1: had been I guess even just more of that and

1242
00:58:15,960 --> 00:58:19,760
Speaker 1: like more descriptions of these like fashion emergencies, even as

1243
00:58:19,840 --> 00:58:21,680
Speaker 1: much as I love her vulnerability in her story.

1244
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:26,120
Speaker 2: Well, she has another book called like Diary of a Shopper.

1245
00:58:25,800 --> 00:58:28,120
Speaker 1: Or something, Okay, so maybe there's more of that in there.

1246
00:58:28,520 --> 00:58:31,920
Speaker 1: But yeah, she's really fab and I think like she

1247
00:58:32,040 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: has a great philosophy on life and a great way

1248
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:39,240
Speaker 1: of like being, Like you can be really like appreciate

1249
00:58:39,320 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: aesthetics without being inquisitive, and you can be acquisitive without

1250
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: being superficial. I think that there's a nice balance here

1251
00:58:47,400 --> 00:58:50,200
Speaker 1: of appreciating gorgeous clothing and shopping.

1252
00:58:50,280 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she was great philosophies basically like push yourself

1253
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:57,240
Speaker 2: to try something, but don't force yourself to wear something

1254
00:58:57,320 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 2: that just doesn't work for you because it's on trend

1255
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:05,240
Speaker 2: or other folk in your community are wearing.

1256
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:15,400
Speaker 1: It, period, So take that best, best well, darling. Christina

1257
00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:19,040
Speaker 1: Everett is our executive producer and she simply is the

1258
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: one charge of all the moving parts. And then we

1259
00:59:22,360 --> 00:59:27,400
Speaker 1: have a Bousafar who I absolutely adore and he's our

1260
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,439
Speaker 1: surfactate producer. Then of course Derby Masters. I mean it's

1261
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:32,480
Speaker 1: ironic that a name is Matter's because she really is

1262
00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:37,440
Speaker 1: the master of all the production. The theme song was

1263
00:59:37,920 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 1: done by my lovely friends seem Flips source. I would

1264
00:59:40,360 --> 00:59:43,760
Speaker 1: trust him with my life. The graphic design was Teddy

1265
00:59:43,800 --> 00:59:47,880
Speaker 1: Blanks over at Chips and Why. I do want to

1266
00:59:47,920 --> 00:59:51,400
Speaker 1: remind you that Prola Projects was sort of the original progenitor.

1267
00:59:51,720 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 1: It first came out when we were with them. And then,

1268
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:55,960
Speaker 1: of course I want to tell you to go review

1269
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Speaker 1: the show. People don't review enough, they don't leave reviews anymore.

1270
00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 1: But if you don't leave review how other people know

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01:00:00,840 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 1: that they like the show, and then you can talk

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01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:03,800
Speaker 1: about the show at lunch the next day. So I

1273
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 1: think it's essential to go over to the Apple podcast

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01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 1: whatever is, write a review, just say how you feel,

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