Speaker 1: M Today, we're going to Atlanta for one of my
Speaker 1: favorite Housewives ever, Shari's defining moments In this Housewives episode,
Speaker 1: Say throws herself an independence party, obviously to celebrate her divorce,
Speaker 1: and gets into an absurdly ridiculous fight with her party planner.
Speaker 1: This is the who Gonna check me? Boo get with
Speaker 1: Pookie and them. Sharay is at her finest best in
Speaker 1: this episode. This episode uncovers crazy spending, business flops, and
Speaker 1: struggles for financial independence. So there is no better person
Speaker 1: to join me on today's episode than money experts Susie Orman.
Speaker 1: This is a ride, an adventure, and a lesson in finances.
Speaker 1: This is a Housewives episode you don't have to feel
Speaker 1: guilty about talking about. You'll enjoy yourself and get amazing
Speaker 1: financial takeaway advice. Do you watch The Housewife overall? Are
Speaker 1: you aware of who anybody is or you? This is
Speaker 1: just the very first episode I watched was this one?
Speaker 1: So do you have any idea who I am as
Speaker 1: a person? I know all about you, your charity, your
Speaker 1: TV show. I know everything about you. I watched you
Speaker 1: when you're on Shark Tank. But about you as the
Speaker 1: the Housewife, I don't know, I know your successes and
Speaker 1: what you're proud of, not that you're not proud of
Speaker 1: you and your work that you did with you that
Speaker 1: those are the stuff that I love about you. Thank you.
Speaker 1: I love that. I appreciate that. So it doesn't matter
Speaker 1: that you've never watched The Housewife because I hadn't seen
Speaker 1: these Atlanta episodes, which are vintage for a long time,
Speaker 1: and I've recently been watching New York episodes around the
Speaker 1: same time, and it's yard because the Atlanta episode don't
Speaker 1: um age as well. I don't know if it's the
Speaker 1: it's the production of them. They seem more dated than
Speaker 1: the New York ones, and I don't know why, but
Speaker 1: they see like you really can see the difference, and
Speaker 1: obviously the technology that that's no one's fault. I just
Speaker 1: think that the show seems so dated and when I
Speaker 1: watch it and it's it's really surprising. I mean, what
Speaker 1: did you think about just the way that the show
Speaker 1: overall looks like the tech, the lack of hair, makeup,
Speaker 1: like that sort of thing, because the shows now have
Speaker 1: a glimmer that is very different than what this was. Well,
Speaker 1: given that this was the very first housewife of any
Speaker 1: rendition that I ever saw, and it actually got me
Speaker 1: curious wanting to watch what happened to these women because
Speaker 1: it was like I cared about them. I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: this is just stupid. You are making the worst financial
Speaker 1: moves I've ever seen, Like, because you always want to
Speaker 1: root for somebody, you want them to be okay. You
Speaker 1: don't want them just to be dumb right here that
Speaker 1: you want to say no, if you do this, then
Speaker 1: you can be more. You can really have more and
Speaker 1: not hide behind all this stupid glamour that they think
Speaker 1: it's glamor well, by the way, but that's the entire Housewives.
Speaker 1: Like you should literally be a Housewives consultant because when
Speaker 1: I explained to you that I know the money that
Speaker 1: the people actually have and they roll way deeper than
Speaker 1: I do. For those of you listening, we're talking about
Speaker 1: the who Gonna Check Me Boo episode with say I'm
Speaker 1: talking to Susie Orman has never ever watched The Housewives.
Speaker 1: This particular franchise, UH section meaning Atlanta is the highest rated,
Speaker 1: has always been maybe Beverly Hills as eclipse them, but
Speaker 1: they've always been very high rated and they roll very
Speaker 1: deep in the Bentley's and the rolls, rooices and the
Speaker 1: houses which Susie are more in the suburbs are not
Speaker 1: in Atlanta proper, so they are not expensive. Meaning there's
Speaker 1: an eighteen thousand serfort house there that could be one
Speaker 1: point something million dollars, where in New York City you
Speaker 1: could have a two thousand servant department be ten million dollars.
Speaker 1: So that's a lot of the all show and no
Speaker 1: go of this the way this show looks. But we're
Speaker 1: getting into Sharai. So when Susie says she was a
Speaker 1: little bit of a mess, we're talking about Scherai moving
Speaker 1: into her new house and a state of her divorce,
Speaker 1: the foreclosure, the custody. Let's hear what you have to
Speaker 1: say about all that, Suzi. Oh my god, where do
Speaker 1: I start? So the first thing when you're introduced to Sharai,
Speaker 1: she says this thing that people are intimidated by my success.
Speaker 1: That's like her tagline. You're being introduced to all the women,
Speaker 1: and I'm sitting there thinking, what success? Right? What success?
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? Our people intimidated by your success?
Speaker 1: Or are you Charai intimidated by your lack of success? Oh? Susie,
Speaker 1: you have no idea. You're walking into something that's also
Speaker 1: current now over a decade later, because right now, say,
Speaker 1: I guess there's a line of clothing, but they found
Speaker 1: out that it's actually stuff that she buys from sheen
Speaker 1: some Asian company, or it looks exactly like she puts
Speaker 1: her own label on. So it's still going on ten
Speaker 1: years later about this fashion line that never sort of
Speaker 1: showed up, and it's still going on right now. So
Speaker 1: you're talking about something ten years ago that's current now,
Speaker 1: So go ahead, keep going. Well, the thing is, and
Speaker 1: the reason it's going to stay current is because they
Speaker 1: think money is what shows independence. Money does this, and
Speaker 1: you know, and I know that money is not the
Speaker 1: bottom line of what makes somebody successful. You're not even
Speaker 1: talking about money. It's even worse, Susie, because it's not money.
Speaker 1: It's a car isn't money. A car could be leased
Speaker 1: and you don't own it, and it's just shows. So
Speaker 1: it's not money. I would never say somebody's intimidated by
Speaker 1: my success, right because you probably wouldn't drive a five
Speaker 1: undred dollar rose where sub either. No, because I still
Speaker 1: have a car that's eleven years old. But you have money,
Speaker 1: so so I'm just because you said money, so you
Speaker 1: me and the material. I'd rather have money invested and
Speaker 1: in the bank and growing for me than in a
Speaker 1: depreciated asset. I am no desire to impress the person
Speaker 1: next to me at a stop sign that I don't
Speaker 1: even know right but to do that. But on broad
Speaker 1: this is the land where Jersey Housewives Teresa paid for
Speaker 1: all her furniture over a hundred thousand dollars in cash
Speaker 1: in the beginning, and then she and her husband went
Speaker 1: to jail for tax evasion a couple of years later.
Speaker 1: So you're walking into a situation where I was cast
Speaker 1: on the show in a studio apartment from furnished by
Speaker 1: a Kia only because of my personality. I would never
Speaker 1: be cast now because they will only cast people that
Speaker 1: seem to have an aspirational, wealthy lifestyle. So it's a
Speaker 1: circular reference and people have to keep showing, and a
Speaker 1: lot of times it's all show no go foreclosures by grupcies,
Speaker 1: you know, law cases where it's fraudulent. So this is
Speaker 1: where you're walking in. So now, all right, so I'm
Speaker 1: walking in. That's the first thing I noticed. Then the
Speaker 1: next thing she says, I All I want out of
Speaker 1: this divorce is seven figures. And I'm sitting there thinking
Speaker 1: seven figures isn't gonna get you anything, Like why is
Speaker 1: that the only thing number one that you want is
Speaker 1: seven figures? And why is it that? What I would
Speaker 1: want out of a divorce, Not that I know about that,
Speaker 1: because I'm happily married. But what I would want out
Speaker 1: of a divorce is my own independence, my own knowing
Speaker 1: that I can do anything on my own that somebody
Speaker 1: else doesn't need to hold me up. Money doesn't need
Speaker 1: to hold me up. I can hold up the entire world.
Speaker 1: That's what I would want out of a divorce. But
Speaker 1: all Charai wants is seven figures. And what's so sad
Speaker 1: in the end. I don't know she ever got it
Speaker 1: or not. But this Bob person who she was married to,
Speaker 1: he doesn't have a pot to pean, right, So you
Speaker 1: can't just think, you can't just wish a wizard unicorn
Speaker 1: is going to bring seven figures in. And you're right,
Speaker 1: um in the sense like it's a Tina Turner thing.
Speaker 1: She wanted her name, she wanted her independence. But even
Speaker 1: in the land of intelligence, UM sure would want to
Speaker 1: be free of debt to be free of this man.
Speaker 1: He could pull her down to they're still married. When
Speaker 1: you are married and getting divorced, you are liable for
Speaker 1: part of whatever the hell they've got going on. So
Speaker 1: you might just want Tina Turner style your goddamn name
Speaker 1: and to have a clean slate. We can't wish for
Speaker 1: unicorns to jump through the window if they're not coming
Speaker 1: with this guy who has no money and is a deadbeat. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so so that was it was obvious that he had
Speaker 1: no money because who allows a house to go into
Speaker 1: foreclosure with their own credit, with their own credit and
Speaker 1: who is nineteen months behind on their child's support. So
Speaker 1: what that says right there is that Sara can act
Speaker 1: like she's a businesswoman, she can act like she knows
Speaker 1: about money, But how do you act and pretend when
Speaker 1: you don't even know that nobody is making the payments
Speaker 1: on your home? Fact, nobody tell that's so true. How
Speaker 1: are you a business person if your house goes into
Speaker 1: foreclosure you can't. Then you're literally setting women back a
Speaker 1: hundred fifty years saying that the man sees all the bills.
Speaker 1: It's everything you talk about in your podcast. You have
Speaker 1: to know your own ship, and you're saying, she's the
Speaker 1: definition of a person who just like blindly listen to
Speaker 1: a man about what was going on with the numbers.
Speaker 1: Teresa blindly listen to a man and went to jail
Speaker 1: for it, Like you know, we have to either we
Speaker 1: can't play stupid and smart at the same time as
Speaker 1: what you're saying, Yeah, so it's it's that was sad
Speaker 1: to me, right because the court ordered that he was
Speaker 1: to pay the mortgage. But how many men in the world,
Speaker 1: and how could she not know that? Could she not
Speaker 1: have real life friends that obviously the partner had screwed
Speaker 1: them and they lost their home and they lost things,
Speaker 1: and at this age, real life would have said to her,
Speaker 1: the court ordered it, but I better check up on it, right,
Speaker 1: She never once opened up nothing. And how do you
Speaker 1: go nineteen months and not get money that you're owed
Speaker 1: and just go, oh, it's okay, you're right. And that
Speaker 1: would be helping women. That would be being on the
Speaker 1: show and actually helping women instead of talking about all
Speaker 1: the money you're gonna get and pretending you're savvy and
Speaker 1: being vulnerable and telling the truth about your flaws. Then
Speaker 1: you might be able to teach someone something because not
Speaker 1: everyone knows that, but at least you would know what
Speaker 1: you don't know, and then the audience. That's a good one. Okay.
Speaker 1: Moving along to Kim, who had she's now married, has
Speaker 1: multiple kids, which the psychic predicted she'd have more kids.
Speaker 1: But she was in a relationship for all these beginning
Speaker 1: episodes with a guy called Big Papa who was having
Speaker 1: are only of dollars, who would do anything for her,
Speaker 1: already did for her as he left her, right, he
Speaker 1: left her, and but I think they might have shared
Speaker 1: some real estate together. I don't know. She's another one
Speaker 1: who likes to show this stuff in the suburbs of Atlanta.
Speaker 1: So did you notice how many powers she had? She
Speaker 1: drove in that one episode she had her big Bentley
Speaker 1: convertable that she drove, and then she had when she
Speaker 1: drove up to a party, she had a big white suv.
Speaker 1: It was a Rench rovers right. And so here's one
Speaker 1: woman already with two cars that total over four hundred
Speaker 1: thousand dollars between the two of them. So the the
Speaker 1: illusion of wealth there is nothing more than illusion, right.
Speaker 1: She can't even she says she wants to open up
Speaker 1: a wig business, but she doesn't need the patients to
Speaker 1: sit through one class that maybe she could learn about
Speaker 1: how do you open? How do you do that? How
Speaker 1: do you do you do right? So she was a
Speaker 1: she was a loser from the second I saw her.
Speaker 1: So we're seeing you're seeing a theme here of like
Speaker 1: it's more important to to show other people that you
Speaker 1: have I think it's a big problem with unhappiness in
Speaker 1: the country. It's more important to show other people how
Speaker 1: great your life is than for you to focus on
Speaker 1: your life actually being great. That's a big thing, and
Speaker 1: that's a big thing in The Housewives. It is all
Speaker 1: show and no go in many cases at all, crumbling
Speaker 1: down from many people. And even the decision and I'm
Speaker 1: sorry I don't remember her name. The woman who was
Speaker 1: married to the football place that Oakland Raiders and and
Speaker 1: he got dismissed was let oh. And so here he is.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have a job, they have one kid, and
Speaker 1: now they're talking about having to when he doesn't have income.
Speaker 1: It's like, who knows what's going to happen to him?
Speaker 1: You could tell she doesn't really want to in this
Speaker 1: one episode, well, I'm not sure my hands are full
Speaker 1: with the kid. We are pready have, but yet she's
Speaker 1: already been submissive and really giving up her power. I
Speaker 1: have to tell you, Bethany, this episode was a lot
Speaker 1: about financial abuse and how the women allowed themselves to
Speaker 1: be in a situation where they were and maybe still are,
Speaker 1: being financially abused. Obviously, Serai was abused by Bob. Don't
Speaker 1: tell me that the only time that she saw that
Speaker 1: he was irresponsible with money was after they got divorced.
Speaker 1: And the idea of a rich man having having their
Speaker 1: their side piece that can't mention who the rich man
Speaker 1: is and he's supporting her and giving her that's financially
Speaker 1: abusive too, is what you're saying. That's like toxic, right,
Speaker 1: And so you can see that kind of through the
Speaker 1: whole thing, that financial abuse is present. And what's fascinating
Speaker 1: about Gerai is with this stupid independence party or that
Speaker 1: she wants to show everybody she gets involved with another
Speaker 1: abusive man. Anthony, your take is epic because no one's
Speaker 1: ever said this before, and it's so obvious and it's
Speaker 1: so perfect for you to be commenting, and not only
Speaker 1: on this episode, but on this whole franchise and this
Speaker 1: concept in this country about showing how much we have
Speaker 1: and not even and doing so much talking and showing
Speaker 1: without being educated at all. I mean, the other day
Speaker 1: I called my business manager and I said, because I
Speaker 1: know I've been making a decent amount of money on
Speaker 1: certain things, but I also know I've been spending a
Speaker 1: decent money on amount of money on certain things. And
Speaker 1: I also know I'm not great at knowing every single detail.
Speaker 1: So I know what I don't know um and I
Speaker 1: will ask other people around me if there's something that
Speaker 1: I don't know and and crowdsource then make my own decision.
Speaker 1: But I called him not but I said, I know
Speaker 1: you represent a lot of different clients, and based on
Speaker 1: where I am, how am I spending like because I
Speaker 1: remember when I first sold my business asking a business
Speaker 1: manager if I could go buy a full price of
Speaker 1: Lubaton back in Dallas. He's like, you just sold your Yes,
Speaker 1: you can buy the bag. But I'm frugal in that way,
Speaker 1: like I, So I said, he said, well, I have
Speaker 1: people that make a lot of money that are very
Speaker 1: cheap and spend nothing, and then I know people that
Speaker 1: go crazy and spend way over there or over their skis,
Speaker 1: and you're right in the middle. I said, that's fine,
Speaker 1: as long as you know your own temperature of what
Speaker 1: you want to be doing. Like I know what I have,
Speaker 1: and I know what's with an s steg Is, and
Speaker 1: and then I know that he's saying, I'm in the middle.
Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not getting an A, but I'm not
Speaker 1: getting an F. I'm getting a C in spending versus
Speaker 1: what you make. And I at this one time in
Speaker 1: my life, maybe okay with that. But you have to
Speaker 1: know the temperature, I think is what you're saying. No
Speaker 1: one even knows what the hell is going on behind
Speaker 1: the scenes. It's not only the temperature of money, it's
Speaker 1: the temperature of who you are and why you are
Speaker 1: making the decisions you're making, you know. On the Women
Speaker 1: in Money podcast, I focus more on the emotional side
Speaker 1: of money than money it'sself. By the way, that's what
Speaker 1: I money noise, the relationship to money, That's what I'm
Speaker 1: talking about. The relationship you have with money. Money noise.
Speaker 1: But the relationship you have with money is identical to
Speaker 1: the relationship you have with yourself because money can't do
Speaker 1: anything without you. So if you don't value who you are,
Speaker 1: you will see money come in, go out. And it
Speaker 1: will never stay. That's why I have this saying that
Speaker 1: self worth equals net worth. Once you start making money
Speaker 1: and you have money, if you don't have self worth
Speaker 1: at that point, you will define yourself by the money
Speaker 1: you're making versus you defining your money. I understand you're saying,
Speaker 1: it's the dog the tailwagon. The dog you need to
Speaker 1: be driving the program. You need to be in the
Speaker 1: driver's scene, and the money is the passenger. I like it, okay, So, um,
Speaker 1: I like it a lot. So say, in keeping with
Speaker 1: this theme, and by the way, this particular episode focuses
Speaker 1: on sure a lot. Another one might focus on someone else.
Speaker 1: So we're talking a lot about Shurey who why do
Speaker 1: happen to enjoy as a television character? Um? So, she's
Speaker 1: doing this part and she believes her own myth, and
Speaker 1: it's always bigger than the top. And she built this
Speaker 1: house it never got bill called Chateau Chay, or maybe
Speaker 1: it eventually got built, but it took years. And there's
Speaker 1: always this outlandish stuff. So Queen of the Night, she's
Speaker 1: going to do a Queen of the Night party and
Speaker 1: arrived by helicopter and be carried in by male models.
Speaker 1: So so so, well, what do you think? Here's the
Speaker 1: big reveal. There. She goes to this designer party planner
Speaker 1: by the name of Anthony Right, and Anthony, like any
Speaker 1: buddy who wants a client, smoothes her, brings her in,
Speaker 1: gets her to sign up with him and another woman
Speaker 1: and they're on TV and the and the company's on
Speaker 1: TV at this time, meaning the company is good, make
Speaker 1: wants to look good on t V. Got it right?
Speaker 1: Then it turns out what Anthony wants to do is
Speaker 1: not what to wants to do, and they get into
Speaker 1: this huge fight. What that represents is Shara went from
Speaker 1: one abusive relationship with Bob in the desire to throw
Speaker 1: an independence party and led her directly to another abusive
Speaker 1: relationship with Anthony, who wanted to control everything, and she
Speaker 1: totally once again the mistakes she made with Bob repeated
Speaker 1: with Anthony, and now he's screaming at her they have
Speaker 1: to take him away. I don't know if she ever
Speaker 1: got her party or not, but the mere fact that
Speaker 1: that happened should show everybody watching how truly powerless Sharay is.
Speaker 1: Because she needs to ask her hair dresser while she's
Speaker 1: getting her hair done, what should I do. And it's
Speaker 1: the hairdresser that says, you have to call him up
Speaker 1: and show him that your boss. You have to show
Speaker 1: him that you're running the party. She needed her hairdresser
Speaker 1: to encourage her to do that. What kind of dying? Amazing? Like,
Speaker 1: you're right, you're saying, she's saying, she's a successful business woman,
Speaker 1: she's in charge, and now she's got her hairdresser telling
Speaker 1: her what to do with her abusive event planner. Do
Speaker 1: you think the event planner was entirely wrong? And how
Speaker 1: would you handle it if you were shredded? First of all,
Speaker 1: I would have wanted to know what it was gonna cost.
Speaker 1: They never once talked about what this party was going
Speaker 1: to cost. I still don't understand where her money came
Speaker 1: to buy the house or move into the house that
Speaker 1: she moved into, and she's there in boxes and the
Speaker 1: kids up moving everything. She didn't have professional movers do that,
Speaker 1: number one, or she wouldn't have been moving. But but
Speaker 1: I want to just skip back for one thing. She
Speaker 1: said something that was key to every thing in this
Speaker 1: one scene when she was in her house, she didn't
Speaker 1: want her children to know what was going on. And
Speaker 1: what's interesting about that she didn't want to tell them
Speaker 1: that they didn't really have money, and that that that
Speaker 1: that she didn't want them to know. For everybody watching
Speaker 1: this and watching a program like that, if you think
Speaker 1: your kids do not already know, I have a bridge
Speaker 1: to sell you. Your kids know exactly every time you
Speaker 1: fought with your husband. They know everything that's going on.
Speaker 1: And you're allowing them and teaching them rather than teaching
Speaker 1: them strength and independence, you are teaching them lies. You
Speaker 1: are teaching them how to not stand in their truth. You, Charay,
Speaker 1: are doing more damage to those kids by pretending to
Speaker 1: be something you're not versus being honest with them and
Speaker 1: showing what you can all be as a family. So amazing,
Speaker 1: that's so true. There's a way to do it. They
Speaker 1: were old enough. But there's a time when my daughter
Speaker 1: realized things were going on in my life and there
Speaker 1: was a time and a way to discuss it. And
Speaker 1: I see so many parents nothing in front of the kids,
Speaker 1: and nothing in front of the kids, like that's not
Speaker 1: necessarily great parenting. You know, if you at least know
Speaker 1: what's going on, you can deal with it and you
Speaker 1: can have a team to work on. It's it's so
Speaker 1: funny because with custody things and with divorce things, there's
Speaker 1: a way to speak to young children. But I had
Speaker 1: to discuss certain things as my daughter in a very
Speaker 1: realistic manner, and it was helpful. It was more evolved
Speaker 1: because they're watching part of a picture and they're confused
Speaker 1: because they only have a couple of the puzzle pieces.
Speaker 1: So they're making up their own stories in their mind,
Speaker 1: and they're expressing themselves in different ways at school. And
Speaker 1: I think that that's really astute of you to say that,
Speaker 1: and notice that I like that. That's very interesting. Only
Speaker 1: you could make this an intelligent episode. Um so really,
Speaker 1: only you could. So do you have you heard of
Speaker 1: Nani in the world besides this episode? Needy Leak, she's
Speaker 1: a character. She was sort of the breakout character of
Speaker 1: this show. She's not in this episode that much. In
Speaker 1: this is earlier on in the year. She's the one
Speaker 1: who's the singer. She's no, that's Candy, Oh that's Candy.
Speaker 1: Nini is the one. She's like Candy a lot. Well,
Speaker 1: Candies is smart, but yes, we're gonna get into Candy.
Speaker 1: But Nini was making like the sexual references with the
Speaker 1: thousand dollars on the curtains and the champagne bottle, and
Speaker 1: and Dwight comes over, and the one that where she
Speaker 1: had the designer come over and they opened a champagne. Yes,
Speaker 1: that was Nanie with the stylist right saying that you
Speaker 1: spent fifteen thou dollars on drapes and now they need
Speaker 1: to be longer. Yeah, that girl needs some style. That
Speaker 1: girl needs some classes, because that's she's class. No, but
Speaker 1: over the course of years, I don't know if she
Speaker 1: got class by your definition, but she became more into
Speaker 1: fashion and style and she changed her look a lot
Speaker 1: over the years. Some of the house was get excited
Speaker 1: that they're very successful and they call themselves rich. But
Speaker 1: me and he was the first one to start with
Speaker 1: like I'm rich, bitch on this show. And it's again,
Speaker 1: you know, it's about how much money you Actually, I
Speaker 1: can't see any wealth there with her. And it's even
Speaker 1: to notice that that curtains should be fifteen inches longer
Speaker 1: or whatever. It's like all I got from her in
Speaker 1: the very brief because I paid more attention to Shara. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right today, Yeah, it was that really, it just
Speaker 1: there wasn't There was no there there and what I say, class.
Speaker 1: What I mean is again, it's not how your place
Speaker 1: is decorated. It's not even what you decorate your place with.
Speaker 1: It's how you you make people feel when they're in
Speaker 1: your place, so you can have a little It's so
Speaker 1: she was like and just so caught up in everything.
Speaker 1: She kind of bored me, so I just fast forward
Speaker 1: it through her. Okay, fine, So back to Sheay's meeting though,
Speaker 1: when she said, who go and check me boo? And
Speaker 1: do you ever get lit and you want to let go?
Speaker 1: I mean because I do sometimes once in a while
Speaker 1: somebody needs to get slept. So in that case, I don't.
Speaker 1: I mean, you said he had to be taken out.
Speaker 1: I think she did. She not win that round? Did she?
Speaker 1: Who won that round? To that fight with him? I
Speaker 1: think she went all in. I have to tell you,
Speaker 1: I think she lost the round. You do and let
Speaker 1: me hear why? Because I thought, who gonna check me boo?
Speaker 1: Is a great line? Yeah? So those are great line
Speaker 1: make great television. Yes, but let's not say nobody's watching
Speaker 1: it and it's just the two of them and nobody
Speaker 1: ever sees that, okay happen. Let's do it all right now,
Speaker 1: here she is paying good money to have her dream
Speaker 1: in four or five days come true, and she hasn't
Speaker 1: talked to the poet, has no idea if that's going
Speaker 1: to happen or not. She's not going to get a helicopter.
Speaker 1: And she what she really wanted by giving this party
Speaker 1: more than all the flamboyants, believe it or not, is
Speaker 1: she wanted to feel that she could do something and
Speaker 1: she was in control because she has been out of
Speaker 1: control dependent until this one party. And even though she
Speaker 1: kept saying that this party is for everybody else to
Speaker 1: see that you can survive after divorce and you can
Speaker 1: do all of these things, this party was for her
Speaker 1: right to show her that she could actually pull something
Speaker 1: off that she was proud of. That makes me You
Speaker 1: don't even know how the foreshadowing is though, because it
Speaker 1: happens again later where she has a fashion show and
Speaker 1: there are no fashions. It's called she by Say, but
Speaker 1: she doesn't have the she by Say fashion. So it's
Speaker 1: funny that Say is an interesting character because you are
Speaker 1: presenting something that seems to become a theme for her
Speaker 1: in like she wants to show that she can. Sonia
Speaker 1: Sonya on New York As moments like this too. She
Speaker 1: wants to show everybody that she can do it. And
Speaker 1: we're all waiting and you're saying that it's not going
Speaker 1: that great, so sorry, back to the meeting with them
Speaker 1: and that. But but Bethany, who she really wants to
Speaker 1: show is herself because when all the cameras are off
Speaker 1: and everything and she's just by herself, she's broke. She's
Speaker 1: living the lie to her kids. She's so angry at
Speaker 1: her ex spouse because he had no money, didn't live
Speaker 1: up to it, she had a move, she doesn't know
Speaker 1: how she's gonna pay bills, and except for the fact
Speaker 1: that she gets a paycheck from Housewives, other than that,
Speaker 1: it's like, how is she going to do anything? And
Speaker 1: if ever she's not on Housewives, she's screwed. Well, by
Speaker 1: the way. That's by the way, let me tell you
Speaker 1: about a circular reference. That's a big thing that happens
Speaker 1: with Housewives. So people get that happened with Alex and Simon.
Speaker 1: People get cast and the first season I made seven
Speaker 1: thousand two and all for the whole season. But it
Speaker 1: was something I took out in the contract. That's attribute.
Speaker 1: That's the reason for my great success because I knew
Speaker 1: what to cross out and get paid seven thousand to fifty.
Speaker 1: But what happens is people this is it. They're gonna
Speaker 1: be famous, and so they are going to spend and
Speaker 1: the show is going to catch up with it, and
Speaker 1: they're gonna have these storylines in these businesses because they
Speaker 1: need to have something to show the show to stay
Speaker 1: on so the salary can keep up. And you see
Speaker 1: this vicious cycle, and it's not that easy for people
Speaker 1: like you know, Theresa goes through this whole thing, going
Speaker 1: away to jail and stuff, and now she has a
Speaker 1: wealthy or a man who seems to be wealthy as
Speaker 1: a husband, but she stayed on that show to hustle
Speaker 1: for her kids because she went to jail and lost
Speaker 1: all this income and her ex husband was a Doug divorce.
Speaker 1: So it happens a lot of people that Erica Jane
Speaker 1: the richest. How she looks so rich, her husband's a
Speaker 1: big lawyer. All that gets in all that trouble. She's
Speaker 1: got to stay on the show now to keep the
Speaker 1: music going. So it becomes this vicious cycle, particularly with
Speaker 1: how was I get on. I don't really have a
Speaker 1: lot of money. I have to show that I have money.
Speaker 1: But then I'm spending too much money to show that
Speaker 1: I have money, so to show us to pay me
Speaker 1: to keep up with the money that I'm sure do
Speaker 1: you see, It's like it's like getting into debt. It's
Speaker 1: housewives debt. It's housewives debt. So going back to who
Speaker 1: won the argument, she lost the mission of the party.
Speaker 1: She failed dramatically there. And it doesn't matter how tough
Speaker 1: you talk, and do you win in a fight and
Speaker 1: you know, lash out with each other. I mean, one
Speaker 1: of the strongest things she's could have done is got up,
Speaker 1: walked out, canceled the party and say screw you, sue
Speaker 1: me for the check. Nice That that's power, that power,
Speaker 1: and sending out a notice to everybody that Anthony is
Speaker 1: the worst planning you know, party planner. He screwed this up.
Speaker 1: You right him, but don't ever use him because I'm
Speaker 1: out of here, right, that's right, Just saying that what
Speaker 1: you just said is powerful. It's so true. Um, do
Speaker 1: you believe in psychics because Kim goes to the psychic
Speaker 1: and I want to know if you believe in psychics
Speaker 1: or do you think it's a waste of money? Totally.
Speaker 1: I believe in psychics, I believe in astrologers. I believe
Speaker 1: in all of that. I love that. And by the way,
Speaker 1: that guy correct that that woman predicted her and she
Speaker 1: did have she did have more children, and she did
Speaker 1: have and what she says she will have a boy,
Speaker 1: Yeah she does. The audience at that time doesn't know that.
Speaker 1: But now in real life of watching years later, that
Speaker 1: that that psychic Rose told her her future. She left
Speaker 1: Big Papa. But did she because Rose told her that
Speaker 1: somehow planned for that to happen, not that it would
Speaker 1: be a boy, but it might be a child. So
Speaker 1: she was looking to have that happen because she had
Speaker 1: so many kids. She was gonna have a boy. She
Speaker 1: had four more kids since then or something great. So
Speaker 1: it was like, was that whatever or not? But I
Speaker 1: don't think it hurts it all. You have a belief
Speaker 1: in somebody that has proven to you that they're a
Speaker 1: great psychic, they're a great astrologer. You know, not everyone is.
Speaker 1: Not everyone is a great money person. So you have
Speaker 1: to know are they great at what they do? And
Speaker 1: if they are, I use all the help I can
Speaker 1: get in predicting the markets and whatever. You know, it
Speaker 1: was about it. It was before It was December of
Speaker 1: two thousand and nineteen, and I have been seeing astrologers
Speaker 1: and things like that, and it all the stars came
Speaker 1: up that in February of two thousand and twenty something
Speaker 1: was going to happen that would change this world forever.
Speaker 1: And I started to talk about it on the Women
Speaker 1: in Money podcast and I started to warn everybody, I
Speaker 1: don't know what's going to happen. I just have this feeling.
Speaker 1: Be careful for February of two thousand and twenty, which
Speaker 1: is when the pandemic hit and the markets went all
Speaker 1: the way down again. Using all my resources that I do.
Speaker 1: They end when oil was down thirty dollars a barrel,
Speaker 1: you had to pay people to take oil away. It
Speaker 1: was like get into oil. Now's the time. And I
Speaker 1: go on the podcast and I say, this may be
Speaker 1: the stupidest thing I've ever said. I want all of
Speaker 1: you to buy this specific exchange traded fund that's all
Speaker 1: energy and oil went from twenty two up to almost ninety.
Speaker 1: That's insane. Everybody get back in the market. Do not
Speaker 1: sell here. This is a blip, right, Just stay And
Speaker 1: everybody made a whole lot of money. So I use
Speaker 1: everything I can, from technical to to you name it.
Speaker 1: I take all the tools and I put them together
Speaker 1: to tell the millions of people what I think they
Speaker 1: should do. That's unbelievable, um, but believable. So Candy, you like?
Speaker 1: Candy is talking about doing, um, a version of the
Speaker 1: Vagina Monologues, an updated version. She's talking with Lisa, who
Speaker 1: later gets let go from the show. Just so you know,
Speaker 1: Candy has been on and still is on now, and
Speaker 1: she's a successful musician who is frugal. And I think
Speaker 1: she mentions that she doesn't need to show all the
Speaker 1: bells and whistle. She has nice things, but she's probably
Speaker 1: more you know in my philosophy where she buys. But
Speaker 1: she knows she's she's good. So you liked Candy? Why
Speaker 1: did you like her? Because there were certain things that
Speaker 1: she said, which was she was going to she wanted
Speaker 1: to do it herself. She wanted to do this album herself.
Speaker 1: She knew she had talent, she knew she made other people,
Speaker 1: that she wrote music for a lot of my need
Speaker 1: so she knew she was the real deal. And there
Speaker 1: was something about her look that I liked her look.
Speaker 1: I liked the simple haircut. I liked the even though
Speaker 1: it was fashionable. I liked her clothes. I liked that
Speaker 1: she was gonna go for it, but because she was
Speaker 1: going to go for it, not because some beau or
Speaker 1: Bob or whatever big Daddy was going to support her,
Speaker 1: whether that ended up happening or not. I liked her
Speaker 1: sense of independence and her sense of self worth. And
Speaker 1: so even though she was in a relationship and was
Speaker 1: talking about moving in with her daughter, you felt like
Speaker 1: she had a strong sense of You feel like she
Speaker 1: has a strong sense of self. She was the one
Speaker 1: who had one daughter and was going to possibly marry
Speaker 1: somebody with six kids? Was that right? Is that? Who
Speaker 1: is right? And her mother did not like that. Her
Speaker 1: mother's tough and has judged a lot of the people
Speaker 1: she's been with, including the and she married and that woman.
Speaker 1: The man that she was engaged to gets killed, Like
Speaker 1: you can't believe this is real. Yes, he gets killed.
Speaker 1: It they're gonna park a lot. So she lost her fiance.
Speaker 1: And so then does she have to mother all six kids? No,
Speaker 1: she just has She has her daughter, and she ends
Speaker 1: up in a relationship with so much that she meets
Speaker 1: as a producer on the show, and then he becomes
Speaker 1: talent on the show because now he's with her. Like,
Speaker 1: sometimes the truth is weirder than the fix. I mean
Speaker 1: this stuff that I'm talking to you about it watching
Speaker 1: back is crazy to watch Candy telling her daughter about
Speaker 1: this man that they're going to blend with and that
Speaker 1: that man don't isn't but her daughter didn't want to blend.
Speaker 1: The other thing I liked about Candy was the relationship,
Speaker 1: at least on this one episode she had with her daughter,
Speaker 1: talking not to her daughter so to speak, but to
Speaker 1: have an equal relationship. And her daughter felt the ability
Speaker 1: to be honest with her mother that she did not
Speaker 1: like this, She was not happy about it. So why
Speaker 1: that made me like Candy is that that says to me,
Speaker 1: that's a mother who raised a daughter. And she was
Speaker 1: so fascinating when she said, my mother was a single mother,
Speaker 1: my grandmother was a single mother, my dad DA and
Speaker 1: now I was a single mother, right, isn't I think
Speaker 1: that was her who said that, And she raised her
Speaker 1: daughter and you could tell her daughter was strong, yes,
Speaker 1: And did her daughter get that strength from she got
Speaker 1: that strength from her mother at that age. And that
Speaker 1: made me like her. I didn't like, however, when her
Speaker 1: daughter was more interested and possibly watching TV in that
Speaker 1: one little segment that she finally said, fine, watched TV
Speaker 1: and leave when you could tell her daughter still wanted
Speaker 1: to talk more to her about this, but Candy couldn't
Speaker 1: deal with what her daughter was saying to her. Probably,
Speaker 1: and then you're also where the cameras are there, so
Speaker 1: you have always think about the fact that whatever her
Speaker 1: daughters saying, this is also early on in years that
Speaker 1: nobody knows how stuff is coming out of the oven
Speaker 1: and how you're gonna be portrayed, and the daughters are
Speaker 1: uncomfortable in his cameras in her house. So it's just
Speaker 1: it's different, and it's funny. The shows back then had
Speaker 1: a greater authenticity because people didn't have full hair and
Speaker 1: makeup and glam squads, and they just wore with their
Speaker 1: what you and I were wearing right now, like you're
Speaker 1: you know, just just just s wear, like normal clothes.
Speaker 1: Now it's costumes and like crowns, and it's it's clown like.
Speaker 1: It's crazy people because it's meta and everyone's sort of
Speaker 1: showing off because they know they're on television. Back then,
Speaker 1: there were just some cameras and you were wearing a
Speaker 1: sweater out of your closet because it was real. Back then,
Speaker 1: you were doing real. So that's one of the things
Speaker 1: that's different too. There was like a there's an authenticity
Speaker 1: to it that that I don't see as much anymore.
Speaker 1: People do miss that. Um and Candy. This is also
Speaker 1: vintage housewives, and Candy is talking about she doesn't buy
Speaker 1: jewelry and flashy items and she's focused on investing in
Speaker 1: real estate. Don't forget, this is like in her thirties.
Speaker 1: This isn't when everybody's like now in their fifties. This
Speaker 1: is in her thirties, and she's already had a music
Speaker 1: career and had albums go I Guess, gold and platinum
Speaker 1: and made money. And she's talking about investing in real estate.
Speaker 1: So I knew you would like that. I did like that,
Speaker 1: and I like that. She looked at her wall and
Speaker 1: she had all her platinum albums and everything up there,
Speaker 1: and she liked that, and that was a representation of
Speaker 1: what she did. She displayed what she did. That's a
Speaker 1: sense of self worth. So later at the party, when
Speaker 1: meaning you're not that interested in and Shari have a discussion,
Speaker 1: Charai doesn't Shari say she did get a seven figure settlement.
Speaker 1: Didn't she say that that did actually happen? Or no,
Speaker 1: she said, she's asked the question did you get us?
Speaker 1: Did you get your seven figures? And Shari says, the
Speaker 1: judge awarded me it, but it's not in my bank
Speaker 1: account yet. Oh it's like saying child So he also
Speaker 1: didn't pay nineteen months told whatever you said a child support? Oh?
Speaker 1: So yes. And by the way, people need to realize
Speaker 1: that just getting to court can take so long, and
Speaker 1: getting a judge to do something is very different than
Speaker 1: getting a judge to enforce something, because that's then the law.
Speaker 1: The judge is not a cop. It's the legal system
Speaker 1: is so challenging. So even if she was quote unquote awarded,
Speaker 1: it's fiction until it gets into the bank account. And
Speaker 1: did she ever get it? That's what I bet you
Speaker 1: she didn't. But that's a great question that will come up.
Speaker 1: I will ask any money, No way she got any money. Um,
Speaker 1: So it's funny. I don't know if kim zols Yek
Speaker 1: still has a wig business, but it's interesting that she
Speaker 1: wasn't interested in learning about the craft that it takes
Speaker 1: to do that, to do to launch a wig business.
Speaker 1: She didn't seem in. She wasn't interested in anything other
Speaker 1: than somebody making her comfortable, rich and providing for her
Speaker 1: very interesting. She would say she was interested in. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she might say that she's in instead of making her
Speaker 1: own money, and she has had shows and stuff. But
Speaker 1: as you know, just explain to everybody. You know what
Speaker 1: people make on TV, and it's not like what people
Speaker 1: make on Finance or Wall Street. And you know what
Speaker 1: it costs to live all these lives as people are living,
Speaker 1: and you know what businesses are really making for the
Speaker 1: people listening. Just because you're selling some handbags or selling
Speaker 1: some wigs or selling some leggings, you have no idea
Speaker 1: how much work it takes to actually make any kind
Speaker 1: of real money. For all of that, I sell everything,
Speaker 1: I sell dressing, I sell apparel, I sell popcorn and
Speaker 1: so many different things. It takes a long time to
Speaker 1: really see real checks. And they're not like game changing,
Speaker 1: life changing wrote range over SUV checks like they're not
Speaker 1: over the course of years. Yes, I make a lot
Speaker 1: of money in the aggregate altogether because I've been doing
Speaker 1: it so long, But like selling handbags on the first year,
Speaker 1: you're gonna make zero dollars a couple hundred dollars, Like,
Speaker 1: if you're not gonna make a money and then you're
Speaker 1: gonna hit a pandemic, or you're gonna hit inflation, you're
Speaker 1: gonna hit possibly a recession, then what are you going
Speaker 1: to do? Exactly? It's not what I'm trying to convey
Speaker 1: is that everybody thinks because housewives are wearing things with
Speaker 1: jeez from head to toe and fendy and driving nice
Speaker 1: cars that are least and in many cases borrowed. Because
Speaker 1: I've seen that too. It's it's all show and no go.
Speaker 1: There's very little meat there with these these people, which
Speaker 1: is why there's so much scandal, because people who are
Speaker 1: drawn to be on these shows, most people who have
Speaker 1: a lot of money wouldn't be on the show. I
Speaker 1: was on the show and I had nothing, and I
Speaker 1: left when I had something like because it's very hard
Speaker 1: to justify exposing yourself to this when you don't need to.
Speaker 1: What was interesting, Bethany as I learned it twice, I
Speaker 1: was gonna be on Larry King, and that's when what's
Speaker 1: his name took over for Larry I can't remember his
Speaker 1: name from Paris, huh and for some reason on that show.
Speaker 1: When I was going there, I normally would wear a
Speaker 1: gold Cart watch and then my airings that I haven't
Speaker 1: changed in over thirty years, same pendant, right, if you
Speaker 1: look at any book cover anything, same thing here. But
Speaker 1: I used to have a fetish for watches. Don't ask
Speaker 1: me why I was stupid. No, it's not stupid, by
Speaker 1: the way, because their investments if you do it well,
Speaker 1: which I have. But it's not the best thing to
Speaker 1: invest in. Fine, it really isn't. But anyway, so I
Speaker 1: had really liked a watch, I think Michael Cours that
Speaker 1: was two hundred dollars. So I bought it and I
Speaker 1: wore it that night to be on the show, and
Speaker 1: Paris somehow started off this thing about how rich I was,
Speaker 1: and like, like, how much is the watch you have
Speaker 1: on for instance, Susie Right, And I was able to say,
Speaker 1: I'm two hundred dollars, why Piers right, because what does
Speaker 1: that mean? It was? It was it was like he
Speaker 1: wanted to catch me with my thirty dollar watch on.
Speaker 1: It was very interesting. And one last thing I was
Speaker 1: had on the Susie Orman show Carson cress Leef, and
Speaker 1: he came on and I had on a seven hundred
Speaker 1: dollar T shirt, uh one dollar blue jeans jacket. Everything
Speaker 1: else I had on was very expensive. And the test
Speaker 1: was Carson, what is the most expensive item that I have?
Speaker 1: And he chose the hundred dollar jacket. He did not
Speaker 1: choose the designer thing, and I just I went on
Speaker 1: and got those things just for this show, right, And
Speaker 1: that's when I learned you make a statement just by
Speaker 1: who you are, no matter what you wear. People think
Speaker 1: it's expensive, well no, but even money, yes, But back
Speaker 1: to relationships with money, I believe, strongly believe. I'm certain
Speaker 1: that people who need to go to the window and
Speaker 1: buy the most expensive thing, the whole outfit together with
Speaker 1: which last creativity, but who need the logos like I
Speaker 1: have high end stuff, a lot of it, but like
Speaker 1: who need the logos, who need everybody to know what
Speaker 1: it is and who makes it, they're insecure. It's very insomuch.
Speaker 1: You think the jacket was on right now, it's hard
Speaker 1: to see it, but uh to something to fifty maybe
Speaker 1: five dollars. I got it at the HS and discount store.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. Well, I was a man. I bought seven
Speaker 1: of them and it's my favorite jacket I wear all
Speaker 1: the time. I spent bucks for seven jackets. You also
Speaker 1: like that's part of like that's a deal making type
Speaker 1: of person. My friend her owns the Mets. She has
Speaker 1: more money than anybody that I know, and she likes
Speaker 1: the hunt. She said to me that she pitched the
Speaker 1: person from seeing is that she would wear for a year.
Speaker 1: You know, a billionaire, she would wear for a year
Speaker 1: Sears clothes and no one would think so because people
Speaker 1: will walk up to her all the time that who
Speaker 1: makes that. She's like for the nothing Bethany jeans like
Speaker 1: forty dollars because she's rich and she doesn't need to
Speaker 1: show it. And you find that and we see that
Speaker 1: here people who really need to show their money are
Speaker 1: lacking somewhere else, and they probably don't really have a
Speaker 1: lot of money. It's really if you have to show
Speaker 1: it so desperately with logos to make you feel secure,
Speaker 1: then you probably don't really have it. I don't think
Speaker 1: I have one item that has a logo on it,
Speaker 1: not one that's fascinating. I am sure that I have
Speaker 1: not a ton, but I'm sure that I do, but
Speaker 1: not a time. I would never want to show that
Speaker 1: to people I like that. Yeah, well you are walking
Speaker 1: the walk literally and talking to talk literally and you
Speaker 1: help a lot of people. And I think this was
Speaker 1: so amazing. Well, first of all, let me ask you
Speaker 1: one question before we finished, But I want to ask
Speaker 1: you what you are Rose? And your thorn was of
Speaker 1: the episode? The sweet part, believe it or not, for me,
Speaker 1: was was the little girl sitting on the bed talking
Speaker 1: to mommy and owning her power. I loved that because
Speaker 1: I saw potential. I saw potential there. The true thorn
Speaker 1: was the very first thing that I heard she say,
Speaker 1: people are intimidated by my success. I was like, got it, Yeah,
Speaker 1: what is that about? Nobody's intimidated by your success? Girl?
Speaker 1: What what is wrong with you? That was started me
Speaker 1: right then and there. That's amazing. That started me all
Speaker 1: the way down the road. And who you're the most
Speaker 1: like Candy of all the housewives? Right? I don't even
Speaker 1: have to ask that. Yeah, if you were going to
Speaker 1: compare me to that any of that? Right? And who's
Speaker 1: the most cent attaining as a as a character? Boy?
Speaker 1: Sure is pretty um whatever there I have to tell you,
Speaker 1: they're all really entertaining. You know my moment the board
Speaker 1: one is it? Kim the Blonde. Is that Kim or
Speaker 1: who's Kim? Kim board me totally? She was Nothing she
Speaker 1: did was entertaining. I felt like it was acting. I
Speaker 1: felt it was pretentious. I felt like you have nothing
Speaker 1: to teach people here on any level. It's like from
Speaker 1: so You're like, there's a value there because we learned
Speaker 1: from some of the stuff you're saying. You know you're not.
Speaker 1: You don't learn anything to or not to do from Kim.
Speaker 1: You just felt like it was an eye roll. Uh wow,
Speaker 1: Susie Orman. I literally had no idea because you had
Speaker 1: never watched and that wasn't relevant to me because I
Speaker 1: wanted to have a fresh conversation. But with your expertise,
Speaker 1: I'm just I can't wait to talk to my producers
Speaker 1: because you walked into the right room about the right
Speaker 1: topic and you're so good at this. Thank you so
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