1 00:00:01,520 --> 00:00:04,960 Speaker 1: You're listening to Hawk Talk with former Seahawks wide receiver 2 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: Michael Bumpus at the ten yard line. Second and eight. 3 00:00:08,640 --> 00:00:11,560 Speaker 1: Three wide receivers now in motion as Bumpas left to right, 4 00:00:11,960 --> 00:00:14,520 Speaker 1: Julius Jones a single setback Matt pump fakes looking at 5 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 1: the goal line. He throws it into the end zone. 6 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:21,400 Speaker 1: Touchdown Seahawks. It's Michael Bumpas with a diving catch in 7 00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:25,760 Speaker 1: the end zone. Our ten yard touchdown reception for Bumpas, 8 00:00:25,800 --> 00:00:28,880 Speaker 1: and the kid out of Washington State has found himself 9 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: a place on this team powered by Seahawks dot Com. 10 00:00:33,840 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: Got half time. He's gonna let it fly, PEPs kind 11 00:00:35,560 --> 00:00:37,800 Speaker 1: of man wide open. It's been oldline who makes a catch. 12 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: He's across midfield party. He's gonna go all the way 13 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:44,960 Speaker 1: that I got touching ten five touchdown Seahawks. And that's 14 00:00:44,960 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: how you get back in the game in a great, 15 00:00:47,280 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 1: big hurry. The Seahawks now need two scores. Ben Obamana 16 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: with an eighty seven yard catch and run. What's up, folks, 17 00:00:56,120 --> 00:00:59,440 Speaker 1: this is Michael Bumpus. You're listening to Hawk Talk throwback 18 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:03,400 Speaker 1: Thursday Day Today. I got a Seahawk legend. Ben Obomano. 19 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:05,399 Speaker 1: We called him Obo. Let me give a little history 20 00:01:05,400 --> 00:01:07,720 Speaker 1: about this man. In twenty ten, he had his best 21 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:09,960 Speaker 1: game five receptions one hundred and fifty nine yards in 22 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:14,479 Speaker 1: the touchdown. Six year NFL career, five with the Seattle Seahawks, 23 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: one with the New York Jets. Ben Obomanu, we call 24 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: him Obo. How are you doing today, sir. I'm good. 25 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,040 Speaker 1: I'm good. It's a good morning here in Seattle. Glad 26 00:01:23,080 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: to be here on the show with you today. So 27 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,080 Speaker 1: good to kind of catch up with old teammate too. Yeah, 28 00:01:28,200 --> 00:01:30,200 Speaker 1: nice to connect again. Obo was one of the first 29 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: dudes I met. He was a receiver. Um, obviously I 30 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: played receiver as well. We had a nice little group. 31 00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: It was me u ct Nate Burlison, Dion Branch was there, 32 00:01:41,520 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: Logan Payne was there. We had a tight knit group. 33 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,720 Speaker 1: So I want to say thank you to y'all for 34 00:01:47,800 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: embracing an undrafted free agent. And y'all y'all don't treat 35 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 1: me no different. I was a part of the squad. Yeah, 36 00:01:52,480 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: I was about to say we were glad. Hey, those 37 00:01:54,400 --> 00:01:56,320 Speaker 1: were the days. That's what you know, a fun time. 38 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:57,840 Speaker 1: I still was young too, so it's kind of like 39 00:01:58,000 --> 00:02:00,560 Speaker 1: I felt I was in the middle. I wasn't event yet. Yeah, 40 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,640 Speaker 1: but the same time with a rookie. So it's kind 41 00:02:02,640 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: of good to baby to have that little mix in 42 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: our meeting room and have such a variance of you know, 43 00:02:06,720 --> 00:02:08,519 Speaker 1: you said, young guays, put some old some old g 44 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:11,040 Speaker 1: veterans too. Man. They kind of set the stage for us. Yeah. 45 00:02:11,040 --> 00:02:13,440 Speaker 1: It was fun, man. So let's let's uh, let the 46 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:15,679 Speaker 1: people get snogy a little bit. So you're from some 47 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:20,400 Speaker 1: Alabama make the mood of Seattle. What was that whole transition? Like, 48 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: it was exciting and it was you know, a little 49 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:25,520 Speaker 1: little nervous at the same time. I tell you this, 50 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: this is joke. I always tell people when I first 51 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,639 Speaker 1: got drafted to Seattle, and I was telling people down 52 00:02:29,760 --> 00:02:31,840 Speaker 1: south and Alabama, huh And I was like, yeah, I'm 53 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: going to you know, Seattle, going to Washington. They're like, okay, hey, 54 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 1: when I come to DC, I'm I'm gonna catch up 55 00:02:37,600 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: with you. I was like, what you mean DC. He's like, no, 56 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 1: I'm going to Seattle. Yeah, Seattle, Washington. It's like yeah, Seattle, 57 00:02:42,360 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 1: Washington State. No, Seattle, Washington, DC. It's like no, no, No, 58 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:48,440 Speaker 1: let's get a map, let's go back. I'm going way 59 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 1: Pacific Northwest. So you know, it was fun to baby that, 60 00:02:51,320 --> 00:02:53,639 Speaker 1: to realize like that, you know, making to the next level, 61 00:02:53,639 --> 00:02:56,160 Speaker 1: getting drafted, coming to the Seattle seats, especially coming off 62 00:02:56,160 --> 00:02:58,360 Speaker 1: of a Super Bowl win with you know, veteran coach 63 00:02:58,600 --> 00:03:01,160 Speaker 1: uh And and Mike hol Groom and didn't have any 64 00:03:01,160 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 1: you know, the perennial MVP and Sean Alexander on the team. 65 00:03:05,240 --> 00:03:06,720 Speaker 1: So it was exciting. But at the same time, it 66 00:03:06,760 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: was kind of tough because I'm you know, born and 67 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,079 Speaker 1: raised in Alabama, college in Alabama, and my first time 68 00:03:11,160 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 1: leaving the state was to come way to Seattle. I 69 00:03:12,840 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: was your first time leaving the state, first time leaving 70 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: outside the Alabama man was coming to Seattle. So a 71 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,320 Speaker 1: long flight, too long flight, trying to figure out how 72 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:22,040 Speaker 1: to get them. My folks are still nervous, like, all right, 73 00:03:22,040 --> 00:03:23,400 Speaker 1: so how we're gonna come and visit you, How we're 74 00:03:23,400 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 1: gonna make all this work. I'm like, well, we'll figure 75 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: it out, so just just just bear with me. I'm 76 00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:30,399 Speaker 1: going and make this thing working. You know, years later, 77 00:03:30,720 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: I'm still here, still here, That's what it does. See, man, 78 00:03:33,120 --> 00:03:34,880 Speaker 1: I'm still here too. From Cal and I came up 79 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: and oh four for college never left, so it tends 80 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:39,320 Speaker 1: to do that for you. So I got a chance 81 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,840 Speaker 1: to play against Auburn. You were gone already, but I 82 00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: think CT was still there and y'all spanked this man. 83 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: It was two thousand and seven. I think that's a 84 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:51,320 Speaker 1: year y'all won the national championship. Oh seven, And I 85 00:03:51,440 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: remember my first game in Alabama in the speed like 86 00:03:55,680 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: it was the fastest team I've ever seen. I get 87 00:03:57,720 --> 00:03:59,840 Speaker 1: SC once a year, and they're fast, but it was 88 00:03:59,840 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: a different type of speed. So with that speed and 89 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 1: the SEC, was it a big adjustment going to an 90 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: NFL Because I remember my jump. I thought the game 91 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: was just so much faster and watching y'all playing the 92 00:04:09,080 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 1: speed that y'all play. But I would think that adjustment 93 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: wasn't that. Yeah, it's drastic, as speed probably wasn't wasn't 94 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:15,960 Speaker 1: as drastic for me because you know what you said, 95 00:04:15,960 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 1: We're playing against UM, you know some of the bigger programs, 96 00:04:18,839 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: some of the you know, SEC ACC football, UM. So 97 00:04:22,360 --> 00:04:24,359 Speaker 1: at the same time, the speed was an issue, but 98 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: it was just the quickness of all the players. I 99 00:04:26,600 --> 00:04:29,400 Speaker 1: think we both probably canna agree that the linebackers were fast. 100 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 1: Uh you know the dbs. That's that split second was 101 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: a little bit fasting when I thought or the windows 102 00:04:35,120 --> 00:04:37,560 Speaker 1: you know, you're open and the ball's not there. It's like, no, 103 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:39,760 Speaker 1: you weren't open, like I felt open, And then you 104 00:04:39,800 --> 00:04:41,040 Speaker 1: go back and watch the tape like, no, you was 105 00:04:41,080 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 1: open for a split second. So being on the same 106 00:04:43,000 --> 00:04:45,360 Speaker 1: page with the quarterbacks, those things changed, I think a 107 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,880 Speaker 1: little bit more, especially during that time when we were 108 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 1: coming out. That's when you know, the air raid offenses, 109 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:52,960 Speaker 1: spread offense were really really kind of taking off. Now 110 00:04:53,000 --> 00:04:55,160 Speaker 1: you see it more coming place where everybody's throwing the ball. 111 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,160 Speaker 1: But for us as receivers and for me as a receiver, 112 00:04:57,279 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 1: especially coming to Seattle, it was more so trying to 113 00:04:59,480 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: figure out, right, the balls coming out fast, that window 114 00:05:02,520 --> 00:05:04,560 Speaker 1: is open for a quick second. You may not think 115 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: you're open, but the quarterback things you are or vice 116 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 1: first and you might think you're wide open, but no, 117 00:05:08,800 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: that's that's a safety or a linebacker like hanging around 118 00:05:11,360 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: in the middle of the field. So just being aware 119 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 1: of my surroundings probably was the biggest adjustment from college 120 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:19,839 Speaker 1: to football for me. Was, um, you know, everybody's smart, 121 00:05:19,839 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: everybody knows where that going before they even get there. Ye, 122 00:05:22,760 --> 00:05:25,159 Speaker 1: what was the playbook like for you? I remember because 123 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,960 Speaker 1: I played in a similar offense as the one we 124 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: played in in Seattle, but the language is different. So 125 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 1: it took me like a cool week week and a 126 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:35,480 Speaker 1: half to really feel like I understood what was going on. 127 00:05:35,480 --> 00:05:37,240 Speaker 1: How was that adjustment for you as far as the 128 00:05:37,279 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: playbook and the language and stuff. So I had a big, 129 00:05:40,200 --> 00:05:41,719 Speaker 1: a big jump start because I played in the West 130 00:05:41,720 --> 00:05:45,480 Speaker 1: Coast offense in college. My first coordinator my freshman in 131 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: college was Bobby Petrino. You know Bobby Petrino. He was 132 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: with Jackson and Jackuash for a lot of years when 133 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:53,160 Speaker 1: they had their run with Mark Burnell, and since then 134 00:05:53,200 --> 00:05:55,919 Speaker 1: he had some coaching stints with Louisville, UM, you know, 135 00:05:55,960 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: so in Arkansas, so he had he implemented as a 136 00:05:58,920 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 1: as a freshman. For my four years in college, we 137 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:02,720 Speaker 1: had that West Coast offense. So coming to here to 138 00:06:02,839 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: Seattle having mic homeroom offense with the same kind of 139 00:06:05,880 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: you know that that X isolation on the side, that 140 00:06:08,360 --> 00:06:11,760 Speaker 1: quick game, it wouldn't awful transition for me because I 141 00:06:12,000 --> 00:06:14,680 Speaker 1: had already known it. So it was more so just 142 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: picking up so much of a playbook from week to week. 143 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:20,880 Speaker 1: That was the biggest challenge. I think knowing how you know. 144 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: People don't realize you see that thick playbook during the 145 00:06:23,440 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 1: off season, but it changes from week to week depending 146 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:30,400 Speaker 1: on your opponent, your audibles, your hot reads, your you know, 147 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:33,080 Speaker 1: the link, the language that you use in the huddle, 148 00:06:33,160 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 1: all this stuff kept changing, and I think that was 149 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: for me the biggest adjustments. All Right, well, I do 150 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,279 Speaker 1: know the West, I know the general principles of a 151 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:42,800 Speaker 1: West Coast offense. But to know that each week houseleback, homeroom, 152 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,280 Speaker 1: we're gonna change the playbook and change something, and they 153 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 1: can do it so quickly. And I was, you know, 154 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:48,440 Speaker 1: a little young guy trying to figure out, all right, 155 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:50,799 Speaker 1: so why why are we even changing in the first place? 156 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:52,719 Speaker 1: But they have been running the same system, going back 157 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:54,920 Speaker 1: to Bill Walsh in the you know forty nine or 158 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:56,960 Speaker 1: days that you know, people know it, But how do 159 00:06:57,000 --> 00:06:58,640 Speaker 1: you stay creative and how do you make sure you're 160 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: you know, productive each week? So I don't know if 161 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: people know this about you, but you reversal man, You 162 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,280 Speaker 1: play in the slot, then they put you on the outside. 163 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 1: Where did you prefer slot outside, and then what was 164 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 1: your favorite route. I'd preferred outside. I preferred being outside 165 00:07:12,080 --> 00:07:14,440 Speaker 1: because I tended I'm not the biggest receiver, but I'm 166 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 1: not the smaller CVO, right, so I try to be 167 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 1: on the outside. I have more room to kind of 168 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:20,880 Speaker 1: maneuvering and get away from those linebackers and the safeties 169 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: in the middle of field. Like put me on the 170 00:07:22,480 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 1: on the outside while it's just me. My don't even 171 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: want on with a cornerback, and I kind of know 172 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: he knows, you know, he has sidline for help. At 173 00:07:28,000 --> 00:07:29,960 Speaker 1: the same time, I also know where his help was 174 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:32,160 Speaker 1: coming from, from the inside, from the safety. So my 175 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:34,360 Speaker 1: best route out that I love and I always, you know, 176 00:07:34,400 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 1: try to try to get the coaster to put me 177 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: in for it was a corner route. When you get 178 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: this chance to stem inside, you know, put something, put 179 00:07:41,360 --> 00:07:42,880 Speaker 1: that corner back in the in the bond does he 180 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: have and turn me over to the safety floor maybe 181 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,040 Speaker 1: you know, some help or maybe even double coverage, or 182 00:07:48,480 --> 00:07:50,000 Speaker 1: I can break it off and go to the corner 183 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: and next thing you know, he's he's you know, the 184 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 1: quarterback has a good window to throw it too, throw 185 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 1: it to the sideline. If I catch it, we're good. 186 00:07:55,320 --> 00:07:57,200 Speaker 1: If it's an overthrow, it's still okay. But he can 187 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:58,320 Speaker 1: throw it up and give me a chance to make 188 00:07:58,400 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: a play. So I've always liked the corner route just 189 00:08:00,360 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 1: because I get to be on an outside receiver. For 190 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:04,640 Speaker 1: the most part, I could just stand me in create 191 00:08:04,720 --> 00:08:07,280 Speaker 1: more room for that outside throw, and then the same time, 192 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: get stick to the to the post, come back to 193 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: the corner at the same time, regardless of where you know, 194 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 1: if I'm opening out, the quarterback still has a chance 195 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:15,480 Speaker 1: to make give me a chance to make a play. 196 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: So it's not a goal route where everybody you know 197 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:19,520 Speaker 1: just loves just run deep. It's a little maneuver. And 198 00:08:19,560 --> 00:08:21,320 Speaker 1: then at the same time, that was one of my 199 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:24,040 Speaker 1: favorite routes. Man. I used to want to play outside 200 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:25,680 Speaker 1: so bad when I was in college and wanted to 201 00:08:25,680 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: get outside of me. I can do it. When I 202 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,120 Speaker 1: got to the to the league, they put me outside 203 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:30,520 Speaker 1: a little bit and I was like, man, it's fast 204 00:08:30,560 --> 00:08:32,720 Speaker 1: out here. I'm gonna stick to the slide slide. I 205 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:34,599 Speaker 1: used my quickness and whatnot, and I always wanted to 206 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: run the Dino route, and they used to run the 207 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:38,959 Speaker 1: Dino route so nice. It's that get to the top 208 00:08:39,000 --> 00:08:40,720 Speaker 1: of the post, give a corner. It's like a double 209 00:08:40,720 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: move type. Look, I always wanted to run that route. 210 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: You gotta have a sweet feet for that. Yes, you're right, 211 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:47,320 Speaker 1: you gotta sweet fee for that. Now you were there 212 00:08:47,480 --> 00:08:50,480 Speaker 1: in Kirkland at that facility. I was. I was there 213 00:08:50,520 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: for mini camp and then we made the move to 214 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:56,080 Speaker 1: v MAC. I mean that. I mean that was night 215 00:08:56,120 --> 00:08:58,600 Speaker 1: and day like, the facilities were crazy. I mean, what 216 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: was that transition like for even before that, I was 217 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 1: part of that last class who had training camp in 218 00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:07,640 Speaker 1: CHENI was so I went to Cheny and I can 219 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: tell you, going back to your previous question about you know, 220 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,680 Speaker 1: making that jump, I'm coming from SEC football and coming 221 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:14,800 Speaker 1: from you know, training camp, being at you know, your 222 00:09:14,840 --> 00:09:17,240 Speaker 1: your your dorm rooms and everything on campus and kind 223 00:09:17,240 --> 00:09:20,200 Speaker 1: of being a good UM cafeteria. Then we go to 224 00:09:20,280 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 1: Cheny and it's hot in western Washington, this corn field 225 00:09:23,720 --> 00:09:25,679 Speaker 1: dry heat feels dry heats. I'm like, all right, I'm 226 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: from Alabama, but this is different. Ye, this is different. 227 00:09:28,120 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: And then when we came back going back to our practice, 228 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 1: Tiling's like all right, now we're in Kirkland, UM and 229 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:36,360 Speaker 1: our facilium dinners like all right, this is this is okay, 230 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:39,280 Speaker 1: this is still it's still okay to NFL will make 231 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: it work. And then all of a sudden, like you said, 232 00:09:40,800 --> 00:09:42,440 Speaker 1: a couple of years later, my third year we started, 233 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: they started talking about building a practice cility in renting 234 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 1: vmat uh. And that was kind of great for me 235 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 1: to be able to be a young player, to know 236 00:09:50,360 --> 00:09:53,080 Speaker 1: that we had all these veteran players, they were established themselves, 237 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: um as you know, a perennial powerhouse in an NFC 238 00:09:56,600 --> 00:09:58,559 Speaker 1: west coming off that Super Bowl run back in two 239 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:01,080 Speaker 1: thousand and five to baby back and had that little 240 00:10:01,160 --> 00:10:03,679 Speaker 1: piece of product. Yeah, I was part of picking out 241 00:10:03,720 --> 00:10:05,599 Speaker 1: my locker out. This is my first locker. I was 242 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:08,360 Speaker 1: the first person to use these plugs, sending this bench 243 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,720 Speaker 1: to see how things were built from the ground up. 244 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:12,360 Speaker 1: I think we took a couple of tours when I 245 00:10:12,440 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: was still playing, So that was kind of fun to 246 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 1: baby saying right now, this is what I'm talking about, 247 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:19,079 Speaker 1: going back to you know, NFL, being a you know, 248 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:22,520 Speaker 1: an NFL player on a big time organization. The vMac 249 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:24,960 Speaker 1: would kind of epitomas everything that I think the Seahawks 250 00:10:25,040 --> 00:10:26,920 Speaker 1: wanted and I think it was a great jump, especially 251 00:10:26,960 --> 00:10:29,760 Speaker 1: coming from our facilities in Kirklands. Yeah, for sure. So 252 00:10:29,880 --> 00:10:32,319 Speaker 1: I remember my first game. I'll never forget. It was 253 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:35,839 Speaker 1: against the forty nine ers. Um I saw Ross was 254 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:37,800 Speaker 1: out there, guys I used to play, you know on 255 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:39,920 Speaker 1: Madden Wit and it was surreal to me, Like pre game, 256 00:10:39,960 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: I'm sitting there and I'm taking it all in. I'm 257 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: looking around. It was centrally and at the time, I'm 258 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 1: looking around like, Damn, I made it. You know what 259 00:10:45,200 --> 00:10:47,319 Speaker 1: I'm saying. Do you remember your first game and that 260 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:49,559 Speaker 1: in that moment where you're like, Damn, I arrived, It's 261 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: time to go. We played the Dallas Dallas Cowboys. I 262 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: was always a Teo fan, you know Teos from Alabama. 263 00:10:56,640 --> 00:11:01,280 Speaker 1: Hometown guy, home state guy. Um, you know, the Dallas Cowboys, 264 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: the Star. We went to the Cowboys Stadium and I 265 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:06,160 Speaker 1: think this is one of the first years in hand 266 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:10,040 Speaker 1: Javis World was first built. That's when I really really realized. 267 00:11:10,080 --> 00:11:11,800 Speaker 1: You know, the home games in Seattle were always great 268 00:11:11,840 --> 00:11:13,720 Speaker 1: and always a chance to be able to be excited 269 00:11:13,720 --> 00:11:15,839 Speaker 1: about playing in NFL. But when I got a chance 270 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:18,320 Speaker 1: to play and see a guy who always looked up 271 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 1: to always wanted to pattern my game after after into 272 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: and being in Cowboys Stadium, Javis World, all the hype 273 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: of that place getting built, My family got a chance 274 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 1: to come in town. I had probably more family than 275 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: I had ever had, because you know, it's kind of 276 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 1: tough get everybody out to Seattle, but I got I 277 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,000 Speaker 1: got a lot of people out to Dallas. That was 278 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: kind of one of those the final moments for me, 279 00:11:36,480 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 1: where this is it. I made it. I'm in the NFL, 280 00:11:39,040 --> 00:11:41,640 Speaker 1: and I'm playing not only on the stage of with 281 00:11:41,840 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 1: my peers, but also some of the same people like 282 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:46,320 Speaker 1: you talked about that I, you know, played Madden, played 283 00:11:46,360 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 1: with on a Madden Football game just a couple of 284 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:49,800 Speaker 1: years earlier. Now I'm actually on the same fields, some 285 00:11:49,840 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 1: of the same kind of talent. So what I struggle with. 286 00:11:53,040 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: They used to put us on special teams. We're receivers, right, 287 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, man, I haven't tackled anybody since high school. 288 00:11:58,840 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: They used to put us on kick off on punk 289 00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:04,120 Speaker 1: cover and ask us to go down there and make tackles. 290 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:05,560 Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I haven't done this in a while, 291 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:07,760 Speaker 1: but you seem to excel at it. What do you 292 00:12:07,840 --> 00:12:10,319 Speaker 1: think about your game? Allowed you to kind of get 293 00:12:10,360 --> 00:12:12,840 Speaker 1: into that defensive mode after being a receiver all these times, 294 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: and go down to make plays. I played safety and 295 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:18,559 Speaker 1: receiver coming up in high school, so I had some 296 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: of the you know, I always want to say I 297 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: was a big hitter in college in high school. Probably wasn't. 298 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: But you know, in high school, do you think you all? Yeah? 299 00:12:25,480 --> 00:12:27,599 Speaker 1: I think for me it was more so understanding and 300 00:12:27,720 --> 00:12:30,320 Speaker 1: being committed to being a tackler, right. I think that's 301 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: one of the first things you have to do. You 302 00:12:31,440 --> 00:12:34,319 Speaker 1: see anybody making an adjustment to a different position, to 303 00:12:34,400 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 1: a different you know, scheme or playbook. You have to 304 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:38,280 Speaker 1: want to and I think I had to want to 305 00:12:38,320 --> 00:12:40,680 Speaker 1: to be able to stay on the field. I learned earlier, 306 00:12:40,840 --> 00:12:42,959 Speaker 1: especially my rookie year when I came and I was 307 00:12:43,000 --> 00:12:45,319 Speaker 1: playing fourteen that had come off the Super Bowl. I 308 00:12:45,400 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 1: knew Mike Homeroom was the type of coach, veteran coach. 309 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,439 Speaker 1: He won the veteran guys. He explicitly told all of 310 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,000 Speaker 1: us our rookie year back in two thousand and six 311 00:12:53,360 --> 00:12:54,880 Speaker 1: that he won the same guys that took him to 312 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. He's gonna win with those same guys. 313 00:12:57,120 --> 00:12:58,840 Speaker 1: So for a young guy to try to crack the field. 314 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:00,560 Speaker 1: It was all right, you better learn how to tackle, 315 00:13:00,760 --> 00:13:03,080 Speaker 1: you're learning to catch a kick, you know, return kicks. 316 00:13:03,280 --> 00:13:04,800 Speaker 1: You better do whatever you can to be to stay 317 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:06,680 Speaker 1: on the field. So for me, I just started paying 318 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: more attention to start trying to you know, watch some film. 319 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: Most time when when receivers are watching film on on 320 00:13:12,000 --> 00:13:14,000 Speaker 1: you know, Jerry Rice and trying to get better. I 321 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 1: started watching like Marcus Truth and I started watching some 322 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: of the defensive guys that started saying, all right, how 323 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:19,439 Speaker 1: are you making the tackle? What are you looking for? 324 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:21,559 Speaker 1: Are you reading hips? Are you reading angles? How do 325 00:13:21,640 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: you when you're running full speed? How do you know 326 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 1: when to breakdown and start gathering yourself with the tackle? 327 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,679 Speaker 1: So that so that most importantly I can find a 328 00:13:28,760 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: way to stay on the team and get on the 329 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:31,839 Speaker 1: field too. And I think that's what I you know, 330 00:13:31,880 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 1: I talked about a lot with young guys even today, Right, 331 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: if you want to play and stay on the team. 332 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: And for me having that luxury of playing on the 333 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:40,440 Speaker 1: Seahawks for from two thousand and six allway up into 334 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 1: two thousand and twelve, bar that had to do with 335 00:13:42,400 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: me figuring out and trying to learn ways to get 336 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:46,640 Speaker 1: on the field. So it was a want to first, 337 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:48,680 Speaker 1: but then it was also like taking an extra step 338 00:13:48,679 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: and saying, all right, let me watch some film on 339 00:13:50,920 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 1: guys who had done it before, some other you know, 340 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: guys that were making tackles that were that were dvs. 341 00:13:54,880 --> 00:13:56,880 Speaker 1: See that's where I messed up. I was like, man, 342 00:13:56,880 --> 00:13:58,839 Speaker 1: I don't tackle nobody. They got me down here trying 343 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 1: to tackle deals. I'm a turner coach. Put me back, 344 00:14:01,280 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: put the ball in my hands. See I would If 345 00:14:02,880 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: I would have took that approach, I might have played 346 00:14:04,360 --> 00:14:05,959 Speaker 1: at least one or two more years. You got it 347 00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 1: was your way to kind of follow get that anxiety 348 00:14:08,480 --> 00:14:09,960 Speaker 1: and that stress out. That That's how I looked at 349 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:11,600 Speaker 1: the two. It's like, all right, if they won't get 350 00:14:11,600 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 1: me the ball. If I felt like I, you know, 351 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:14,840 Speaker 1: had worked hard all week and I wanted to catch 352 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: a pass a couple of plays in the game, and 353 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 1: they say, nah, you know he's healthy, he's gonna he's 354 00:14:20,200 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 1: gonna give it a go. And I had practice all week, 355 00:14:22,360 --> 00:14:24,120 Speaker 1: it was like, all right, well, you know what that 356 00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:27,000 Speaker 1: return of man, somebody got to get it. The DBS 357 00:14:27,000 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: trying to cover me on gunner and they hold every 358 00:14:30,160 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 1: single play, every play. I'm gonna this my chance to 359 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,000 Speaker 1: get them back. So that was my way of trying 360 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 1: to make sure that I still have fun in the 361 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:37,640 Speaker 1: game and take that first take some of that frustration 362 00:14:37,680 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 1: out on game day. You know what, I'm probably not 363 00:14:39,960 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: gonna get you know, maybe two or three passage this game, 364 00:14:42,120 --> 00:14:44,200 Speaker 1: if at all, I'm probably gonna get five or six, 365 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: you know, off of snaps. Well, I'm gonna make the 366 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:47,840 Speaker 1: most of them. Go try to you know, make somebody 367 00:14:47,920 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: pay on special teams. A lot of people talk about 368 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:54,800 Speaker 1: beast Quack, right, oh yeah, the big play against New Orleans. 369 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: And when I watched that play, I look at the 370 00:14:58,080 --> 00:15:00,200 Speaker 1: players around, like, oh yeah, I played with him. I 371 00:15:00,320 --> 00:15:02,880 Speaker 1: played with him. You were on the field when that 372 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: went down. What was that whole thing? Like? Man, it 373 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:07,800 Speaker 1: was it was kind of cool. Same thing. You know, 374 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:10,360 Speaker 1: there's there's always stories in between the game, right, So 375 00:15:10,800 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: in this particular play, we had talked about, you know, 376 00:15:13,800 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: especially in Peak Carroll's offense, the way Peak Carroll's wired 377 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:18,680 Speaker 1: and our offense. At that point, he said, every play 378 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: you're in the field, you're expecting the school. I want 379 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: you guys to expect. We don't call a play just 380 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: to call a play. Every play, you should think the score. 381 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: So this is one of those players where right we're 382 00:15:27,040 --> 00:15:28,760 Speaker 1: going we're trying to you know, the playoff game. We're 383 00:15:28,760 --> 00:15:30,680 Speaker 1: trying to not necessarily run a clock out, but we're 384 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:32,600 Speaker 1: trying to eat it, eat it some time. Yeah. So 385 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:34,800 Speaker 1: I'm blocking on the back side of the play. I 386 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 1: get a chance to block Roman Harper. God I went 387 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: to I'd be played against each other in high school 388 00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:42,800 Speaker 1: for for three years in high school. He went to Alabama, 389 00:15:42,880 --> 00:15:44,600 Speaker 1: so he played each other, you know, for my four 390 00:15:44,680 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: years in college. Um so now I get a chance 391 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:49,800 Speaker 1: to block a guy who I've known pretty much man 392 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: for about ten fifteen years. So we're blocking the back 393 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 1: out of play, and I said, all right, hey, well 394 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: doing the play, I say, well, you know Marshawn Man 395 00:15:57,800 --> 00:15:59,280 Speaker 1: from just running this clock out, so you might as 396 00:15:59,280 --> 00:16:02,480 Speaker 1: well game. I'm just telling you now, you know the conversation, 397 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: don't know because dvs and receivers do we block and 398 00:16:06,360 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: do they want to tackle? No? So we're over there, 399 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:10,120 Speaker 1: you know, kind of brother in lawn a little bit 400 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: having this conversation. And then I was sending here the 401 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: crowd saying, and so I say, oh, something happened Marshawn 402 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:18,720 Speaker 1: being Marshawn, And he looks. He's like, he's still going. 403 00:16:19,040 --> 00:16:22,040 Speaker 1: He's still going, He's still going. He takes off. So 404 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,400 Speaker 1: as a receiver, I gotta take off because I'm like, hey, 405 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:26,040 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna be on the field. Let my guy 406 00:16:26,160 --> 00:16:28,400 Speaker 1: be the one to make the shoe string tackle on 407 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: Marshawn Lynch. So then next thing, you know, we start 408 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 1: running towards the play. Next thing, you know that it 409 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,200 Speaker 1: was kind of a double thing. Cool just probably wouldn't 410 00:16:35,200 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: like it. I'm watching, but I'm also blocking, but I'm 411 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 1: also watching. I want to see this thing too. So 412 00:16:40,720 --> 00:16:43,560 Speaker 1: the crowd people don't know twelfth Man. The crowd, we 413 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: feed off of everything you do. And so in that 414 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: particular play, it would start off just you know, a 415 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: regular routine play, but it was as the crowd kept 416 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,480 Speaker 1: going and I, you know, I took a peek, Roman 417 00:16:52,520 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 1: Harper took a peak. Nexting, you know, we got an 418 00:16:54,440 --> 00:16:56,240 Speaker 1: off horses and we started trying to make a play too. 419 00:16:56,320 --> 00:16:57,720 Speaker 1: So it was good to be a part of that 420 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,600 Speaker 1: because it was, like you said, the people on the 421 00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: field point time the playerself is one of the iconic 422 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: plays in Seahawks history. And for it happened with a 423 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:06,840 Speaker 1: guy like Marshawn Man, one of my one of my 424 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:09,120 Speaker 1: good teammates, Ben Glad it happened. Turning the handle, Lynch 425 00:17:09,240 --> 00:17:11,280 Speaker 1: left side finds a little bit of a whole kicker's 426 00:17:11,320 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 1: legs movie. He's called the forty midfield forty five is 427 00:17:14,720 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: on the run, Lynch, forty thirty five. Look at him, 428 00:17:17,920 --> 00:17:21,800 Speaker 1: Go who's down there? Twenty fifteen he gonna go, It's 429 00:17:21,840 --> 00:17:29,200 Speaker 1: gonna go touchdown, Sayhawks, Oh my word, my sixty seven 430 00:17:29,359 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: yard run Marshawn Lynch, unbelievable. See I got I got 431 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:38,600 Speaker 1: two buddies, right, I got you who was part of 432 00:17:38,640 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 1: one of the biggest plays in Seahawk history. And they 433 00:17:40,880 --> 00:17:43,280 Speaker 1: got my boy rap who caught the hooking ladder of 434 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: boys the state against Oklahoma. So I'll be rapping for y'all, like, yeah, man, 435 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: my boy was in on that play by boys another 436 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:50,560 Speaker 1: other place. So for you guys to be a part 437 00:17:50,600 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 1: of this such big moments like you're gonna live forever. 438 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: Whenever they see that play, they're gonna see eighty seven 439 00:17:55,520 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: Oman in the end zone. Celebrated windows. That's awesome, man. 440 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:02,600 Speaker 1: So you've had an opportunity. You played for three coaches 441 00:18:02,720 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: in Seattle, right, and yeah, Mike, yeah, Jim, yeah, Pete 442 00:18:06,040 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: for a little bit. Every coach is different, right. Was 443 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:12,240 Speaker 1: it was it tough adjusting to each style or was 444 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:14,800 Speaker 1: it just business as usual? Oh? It was tough. It 445 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: was tough if you think about it too. And I 446 00:18:16,240 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 1: used to tell people all the time, man about you know, 447 00:18:18,240 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 1: how do you have longevity? How do you create value 448 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:23,080 Speaker 1: for yourself from playing from different coaches? You know, most 449 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 1: time when when you hear about the coaching chain, people 450 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: don't understand it from from receiver or a players standpoint. 451 00:18:28,040 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 1: As soon as you get that you know highlight on 452 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 1: the bottom of the sports sticker that says, you know, 453 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:35,200 Speaker 1: coach has been fired or the new coach has been hired. 454 00:18:35,440 --> 00:18:37,920 Speaker 1: Immediately that goes through everybody's mind from you know, the 455 00:18:38,040 --> 00:18:40,040 Speaker 1: staff and the organization all the way down to you know, 456 00:18:40,080 --> 00:18:43,200 Speaker 1: the field equipment guys is all right, turnover, there's that 457 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 1: new coach that this new regime wanna come in and 458 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:48,320 Speaker 1: clean house and bring in their guys. Right, So how 459 00:18:48,359 --> 00:18:50,760 Speaker 1: do you become a part of their guy? How do 460 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:52,840 Speaker 1: you be their guy as well. So for me, it 461 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,239 Speaker 1: was it was a tough adjustment. Guys there were there 462 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 1: was a lot of uncertainty, you know, talking with your aging, 463 00:18:57,440 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 1: talking with the other teammates. Who's gonna come, who's gonna stay? Uh, 464 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 1: you know, what are they looking for in a player? 465 00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:05,159 Speaker 1: For me, it was it was it was important for 466 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,240 Speaker 1: me to be able to still maintain those relationships throughout 467 00:19:07,240 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: the organizations. I think I prided myself on, you know, 468 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,639 Speaker 1: having good relationships with staff, you know, from cafeteria workers, 469 00:19:13,760 --> 00:19:16,159 Speaker 1: from you know, the equipments to have our trainers. Some 470 00:19:16,240 --> 00:19:18,399 Speaker 1: of those people are key, key, key parts in the 471 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,320 Speaker 1: way this whole show runs. And when you have a 472 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: good relationship with them, they kind of speak volumes because 473 00:19:22,640 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 1: that's those are the first impressions, not necessarily your game film. 474 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:27,600 Speaker 1: It's sometimes just hey, what kind of guy's been? And 475 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:29,880 Speaker 1: I think I set a good stage, set a good 476 00:19:29,880 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 1: presson for myself of being hard worker, good guy. You know, 477 00:19:32,960 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 1: everybody likes him, like, no, you should keep you should 478 00:19:34,720 --> 00:19:36,240 Speaker 1: at least met them, should at least keep theim around 479 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: for a while, give him a chance. And so from there, 480 00:19:39,240 --> 00:19:41,480 Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing you talking about the adjesmtion 481 00:19:41,520 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 1: from coaching staffs Uh, it's being able to show that 482 00:19:44,280 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: you can adjust to their their style of play, their 483 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: play with what they're looking for. And I think that's 484 00:19:48,080 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: where I shal you think about the transition from Mike 485 00:19:51,119 --> 00:19:53,359 Speaker 1: Conry was me being a young player trying to come in, 486 00:19:53,560 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 1: learn the system, show that I'm you know, coachable, and 487 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,760 Speaker 1: trying to show that a'm I can be a party 488 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,080 Speaker 1: of the Seahawks going for when that time comes. When 489 00:20:02,119 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: we got Jim Moore, Jim Moore's you know, had been 490 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:05,879 Speaker 1: on the staff. That the good part is he was 491 00:20:05,920 --> 00:20:07,840 Speaker 1: a defensive cord you know, for a year before he 492 00:20:08,040 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: became the hand coach. So the same thing being in 493 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,760 Speaker 1: those meetings asking Jim more, I'm trying to make a tackle? 494 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:14,399 Speaker 1: What are you? How are you coaching your dbs to 495 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 1: make tackles? That relationship carried over to when he became 496 00:20:17,200 --> 00:20:19,119 Speaker 1: the head coach. No, I know, being I know what 497 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:21,240 Speaker 1: kind of guy he is. He sticks around, he's gonna stay, 498 00:20:21,320 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 1: He's gonna earn a spot in the team. Then the 499 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:25,640 Speaker 1: same thing when Pete Carroll came along, it was knowing 500 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,240 Speaker 1: he loves competition, well, he had no same thing on 501 00:20:28,280 --> 00:20:30,000 Speaker 1: the field, like no, Bing has been competing since he's 502 00:20:30,040 --> 00:20:32,240 Speaker 1: been here, being you know, going back looking at film, 503 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,280 Speaker 1: he think I think him and um Snyder did a 504 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:38,760 Speaker 1: really good job of looking at film, trying to clean 505 00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:41,080 Speaker 1: the most they could out of the players and seeing, 506 00:20:41,200 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: you know, what type of players, what kind of development 507 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 1: they had over a couple of years, and they saw 508 00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,520 Speaker 1: being it was always competing. Did he get a shot 509 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:49,680 Speaker 1: to play and get a lot of snaps a receiver? 510 00:20:49,800 --> 00:20:52,920 Speaker 1: Not necessarily, but he's been competing and working amahana since 511 00:20:53,000 --> 00:20:55,040 Speaker 1: we since he's been here, since that we've seen on film. 512 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,560 Speaker 1: So I think in those in those uh, you know, 513 00:20:57,680 --> 00:20:59,880 Speaker 1: coaching changes. For me, it was tough because you don't 514 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:02,280 Speaker 1: uncertainty makes it difficult. But at the same time, I 515 00:21:02,359 --> 00:21:04,280 Speaker 1: think I did a really good job of making sure 516 00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,479 Speaker 1: that my character, my personality, my work at the kind 517 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 1: of shine through just through the organization and by what 518 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 1: took place on film. So you worked hard, blue collar guy, 519 00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:18,639 Speaker 1: build great relationships. And now it's towards the end of 520 00:21:18,680 --> 00:21:20,960 Speaker 1: your career. Did you kind of feel like, Okay, this 521 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:24,000 Speaker 1: is coming to an end. And once you got that feeling, 522 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:27,800 Speaker 1: what was your plan after football? You never know right 523 00:21:27,840 --> 00:21:29,439 Speaker 1: about the end of the game, when when the end 524 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: of the line is gonna come man coming in as 525 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:33,720 Speaker 1: you talked about as a seven round draft pick of 526 00:21:33,760 --> 00:21:36,399 Speaker 1: you as under the free agent. The odds already against 527 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:38,760 Speaker 1: us anywhere, right, So we try to tell kids all 528 00:21:38,800 --> 00:21:40,320 Speaker 1: the time about you know the odds and makes it 529 00:21:40,359 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 1: in thefl are you know less than than one percent? 530 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,399 Speaker 1: And if you do, your career is less than three years. Right. 531 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:47,520 Speaker 1: So once you get that three year mark, what happens 532 00:21:47,560 --> 00:21:49,760 Speaker 1: a lot of times in the NFL. Guy start getting comfortable. Ye, 533 00:21:49,880 --> 00:21:52,200 Speaker 1: I made three years. Now you know that three years 534 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 1: turns into I can play for fifteen? Yeah, like no, no, no, 535 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 1: you might still play for four, but you might play 536 00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:59,879 Speaker 1: for five. Like you just add, you go year by year. 537 00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:02,200 Speaker 1: So for me, I always said that I had wanted 538 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 1: to be a lawyer, right um. Growing up in the 539 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,360 Speaker 1: family in the South, education was always big, I said. 540 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 1: And they always used to ask me too, as a 541 00:22:08,800 --> 00:22:11,040 Speaker 1: little kid. You know you can you can't say athlete, 542 00:22:11,040 --> 00:22:13,640 Speaker 1: you can't say entertainer. My grandfather used always say, choose 543 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:15,600 Speaker 1: a real career. I don't come with those, you know, 544 00:22:15,920 --> 00:22:18,400 Speaker 1: uh lofty dreams of being a professional athlete. You choose 545 00:22:18,400 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: a real career. So I want to be a lawyer. 546 00:22:20,040 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 1: So every year that I got that I was playing 547 00:22:22,760 --> 00:22:26,440 Speaker 1: NFL was always a preparation in the offseason, um job 548 00:22:26,520 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 1: interviews or job shadowing going back in the NBA. Like, 549 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:32,560 Speaker 1: I was always making those plans to that at one 550 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: point and someday when it when it ends, I can 551 00:22:34,920 --> 00:22:36,920 Speaker 1: be ready for that next transition. So that's what happened 552 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: to me. So when I got to be thirty, as 553 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:40,720 Speaker 1: most players and you kind of see how how the 554 00:22:40,840 --> 00:22:42,760 Speaker 1: NFL works a little bit. Once you get up and 555 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: start pushing thirty, people don't think about the you know, 556 00:22:45,320 --> 00:22:48,359 Speaker 1: the economics of football, the league minimum for for us. 557 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 1: As we continue to grow our careers, your minimal stalary 558 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: goes up. So at one point I got to be thirty, 559 00:22:53,520 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: they could got they could have gotten you know, two 560 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,200 Speaker 1: two young receivers for the price of bins. Those economic 561 00:22:59,240 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 1: decisions are kind of creeping in. So that's what that's 562 00:23:02,160 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 1: when I knew the career was kind of coming to 563 00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:05,880 Speaker 1: a to an end because at that point to pay 564 00:23:06,119 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 1: to pay a league middle of talent for a player 565 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: going into this eighth ninth year, you gotta be able 566 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,879 Speaker 1: to you know, have some force for two of this 567 00:23:14,320 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: situations happened to you. But at the same time, you 568 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: should also start with paying this in general because that 569 00:23:18,520 --> 00:23:20,600 Speaker 1: you never know. So that's what happened to me. Yeah, 570 00:23:20,760 --> 00:23:23,840 Speaker 1: so then you went back to school, right, you went 571 00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 1: to law school. Man. I cannot imagine going back to 572 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 1: school at thirty. I mean I told myself when I 573 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: was done, I'm done. I'm not done to go back 574 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:34,600 Speaker 1: to school. So I admired dudes who go back to 575 00:23:34,720 --> 00:23:37,720 Speaker 1: school and further their education. What was that transition? Like, 576 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:40,240 Speaker 1: you go from look, I'm playing on Sundays's got sixty 577 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: thousand scream my name, and now I'm in class with 578 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 1: a twenty four or twenty five year old, you know, 579 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 1: sitting right next to sitting right next to me, and 580 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:48,800 Speaker 1: he used to call me the old man law school. 581 00:23:48,800 --> 00:23:51,400 Speaker 1: It was an old man. I was married my second 582 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:53,160 Speaker 1: year law school, my wife and I had our first child, 583 00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 1: So that that made the worst Look you you're a 584 00:23:55,200 --> 00:23:58,440 Speaker 1: family guy, You're really married. Now, really old guy. It was, 585 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:00,239 Speaker 1: but it was one of those things where you think 586 00:24:00,280 --> 00:24:03,359 Speaker 1: about it too. In the NFL, when people don't necessarily 587 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,440 Speaker 1: think about when they watched the games on Sunday, we're 588 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:10,480 Speaker 1: in you know, quote unquote class every day Monday through Saturday, 589 00:24:10,600 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: we're in the film room. We're studying, we have playbooks. 590 00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:15,200 Speaker 1: We come in as people who come into you know, 591 00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,440 Speaker 1: tour the practical sillers. You see pins, you see paper, 592 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:22,399 Speaker 1: you see notebook, you see projectors, highlighters. So you're in 593 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,720 Speaker 1: You're in an educational environment every single day anyway. So 594 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: for me, it was it was kind of a two 595 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:30,280 Speaker 1: things where I had already been in this environment when 596 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:32,480 Speaker 1: I was studying. I you know, used to studying the playbook. 597 00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,760 Speaker 1: You studying not just the offensive playbook, but you know, 598 00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: slot receiver, outside receiver, special teams. I gotta be on 599 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:40,680 Speaker 1: call just in case they want me to return punts 600 00:24:40,680 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 1: of kicks. I was always studying. Not only that, in 601 00:24:42,640 --> 00:24:44,440 Speaker 1: the offseason, I was you know, taking classes. I was 602 00:24:44,480 --> 00:24:46,919 Speaker 1: trying to pick people's brains at some of the companies 603 00:24:46,920 --> 00:24:50,400 Speaker 1: here in Seattle, Microsoft and Boring, trying to pick their brains. 604 00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,080 Speaker 1: And obviously, so I think mentally, I was probably more 605 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:55,719 Speaker 1: prepared for their transition into the classroom than a lot 606 00:24:55,720 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 1: of other players because I was already you know, uh, 607 00:24:57,800 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: kind of building myself up to be a a student again. 608 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,800 Speaker 1: But like you talked about, the legal field and trying 609 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 1: to study cases was definitely a lot different than trying 610 00:25:06,800 --> 00:25:08,399 Speaker 1: to learn to playbook and figure out the cover two 611 00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,919 Speaker 1: versus cover four, right, So it was difficult, but at 612 00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:12,760 Speaker 1: the same time, I just was glad that I had 613 00:25:12,800 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 1: my family to support me a little bit. The football 614 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: foundation of studying helped a lot. But it was one 615 00:25:17,760 --> 00:25:20,560 Speaker 1: of those things where I feel like, you now, that 616 00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:22,000 Speaker 1: was it. I'm not going back to school. That was 617 00:25:22,080 --> 00:25:24,359 Speaker 1: my last go around. I did it. I'm glad I 618 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,040 Speaker 1: made through three years, but it was It was one 619 00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: of those things where I wanted to stick to my 620 00:25:28,080 --> 00:25:30,280 Speaker 1: plan of being a lawyer, and school was the only 621 00:25:30,359 --> 00:25:32,320 Speaker 1: way that, you know, going back getting your legal education, 622 00:25:32,359 --> 00:25:34,200 Speaker 1: getting to JD was the only way that was gonna happen. 623 00:25:34,280 --> 00:25:37,440 Speaker 1: So it was not necessarily a you know half too, 624 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 1: but it was a one two kind of thing. Yeah. 625 00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: So now you're a lawyer here in the Northwest, the 626 00:25:41,840 --> 00:25:44,240 Speaker 1: Northwest US. That you get up here, you're gonna stick around. 627 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:46,640 Speaker 1: You know, there's something about the Northwest that keeps you here. 628 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: How do you like your new lifestyle? I like it. 629 00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:52,440 Speaker 1: You gotta think about it too. My wife is from Seattle. 630 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:55,760 Speaker 1: We had gotten married shortly after my playing career was 631 00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:57,840 Speaker 1: coming to an end, and I was trying to forgot 632 00:25:57,920 --> 00:25:59,920 Speaker 1: go to law school. People we forgot about this part. 633 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:02,000 Speaker 1: Went to University of Albama for law school, An Auburn 634 00:26:02,080 --> 00:26:05,800 Speaker 1: Tiger guy goes back to the ribata Alabama jersey somewhere 635 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,080 Speaker 1: or sweat or somewhere. I don't have anything in Alabama 636 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: the whole three years I was there. No Alabama tire, 637 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,840 Speaker 1: no Alabama sweatshirts. Nothing. I's like, no, no, no, did 638 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 1: you wear Auburt stuff? Alburt stuff. On top of that 639 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:21,640 Speaker 1: on campus, my car, at my Auburn tag, my apartment 640 00:26:21,680 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 1: had Auburn stuff hanging out. So they folks gave me 641 00:26:23,800 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: a hard time, but it was It was also the 642 00:26:26,400 --> 00:26:28,159 Speaker 1: part of the deal of my wife being from Seattle, 643 00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 1: born and raised. If I take she said, if I 644 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,879 Speaker 1: take her to Alabama for a law school, I had 645 00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,520 Speaker 1: to guarantee them coming back to Seattle afterwards. So it 646 00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:37,880 Speaker 1: was already in. It was baked in the cake. All right, Well, yeah, 647 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:39,480 Speaker 1: I can go to law school. I can go down 648 00:26:39,520 --> 00:26:41,880 Speaker 1: here and kind of make a name for myself. Receivers, 649 00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:44,159 Speaker 1: we were you know, We're d was a lot, so 650 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 1: I wanted to go back to the rival school, go 651 00:26:46,760 --> 00:26:48,880 Speaker 1: back home, being home with family and friends. Alburt doesn't 652 00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:50,639 Speaker 1: have a law school. But there's also a chance to 653 00:26:50,720 --> 00:26:52,200 Speaker 1: kind of get my name out there, kind of start 654 00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,320 Speaker 1: the pot a little bit, the former Auburn Tiger guy 655 00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,440 Speaker 1: going back to Alabama to law school. My wife was 656 00:26:57,760 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: quick to REMOMMI when those three years with we're coming 657 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,920 Speaker 1: right back. So it's been so it's been great to 658 00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 1: be able to go back and have an education, had 659 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,040 Speaker 1: a league career, but also come back as a former 660 00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:11,920 Speaker 1: Seattle Seahawks man. The Seahawks, the organization, the twelves, they've 661 00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,760 Speaker 1: done a really good job of making you still feel 662 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:16,120 Speaker 1: at home. Like you know, a lot of players struggle 663 00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,800 Speaker 1: with that identity of not being a football player, not 664 00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,200 Speaker 1: being able to identify and see themselves on the field, 665 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:22,879 Speaker 1: or see themselves on the side of the state or 666 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:26,080 Speaker 1: have people say great game. The Seahawks in the city 667 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 1: of Seattle have done a really good job of making 668 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 1: it making us former players still feel a part of 669 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: the NFL or the part of the organization. Also, you know, 670 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,360 Speaker 1: they know our names, they know our faces, so it's 671 00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,240 Speaker 1: been great to be able to redefine myself not just 672 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: as being the former Seahawk, but being the attorney as well. 673 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:41,560 Speaker 1: So it's been good being a real estate lawyer here 674 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:46,040 Speaker 1: in Seattle. Ben Obomanu went to Auburn drafted seventh round, 675 00:27:46,560 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 1: had six years in the league, three coaches, successful career. Afterwards, 676 00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: went to law school at the arrival Alabama. Didn't wear 677 00:27:54,280 --> 00:27:57,199 Speaker 1: in the Alabama gear, but he did rep Auburn on campus. Man, 678 00:27:57,359 --> 00:28:00,439 Speaker 1: I appreciate you coming in, taking time in Holland at 679 00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 1: your boy. Hey, let's do this again and maybe not 680 00:28:03,040 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 1: on on mics and stuff, and it's kicking one time, 681 00:28:05,359 --> 00:28:07,280 Speaker 1: kicking it. I'm with you, all right, man, thank you. Hey, 682 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:09,680 Speaker 1: that's been Hawk Talk. I'm your host, Michael Bombas. This 683 00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 1: is Hard Talk throwback Thursday. You listened to Ben Obmanu. 684 00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,280 Speaker 1: Check us out. I lect you next time.