WEBVTT - Oscar Ramirez of “The Daily Dive” 0:00:06.240 --> 0:00:10.040 Welcome back to Access Podcast, the podcast about podcast. I'm 0:00:10.080 --> 0:00:13.080 Maddie Stout and producer Z. What's up, Mattie. This is 0:00:13.080 --> 0:00:17.480 our last episode for the second season. Wow, a little 0:00:17.600 --> 0:00:22.520 a little early on, but we've got a great episode 0:00:22.560 --> 0:00:24.919 lined up for you. There's a new podcast on iHeart 0:00:25.000 --> 0:00:29.040 Radio called The Daily Dive and the host is Oscar Ramirez. 0:00:29.080 --> 0:00:30.560 We're gonna hear from him in a second, but let's 0:00:30.640 --> 0:00:32.680 check out a little bit of The Daily Dive right now. 0:00:32.920 --> 0:00:34.519 When is the right time to move out of your 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:37.880 parents house? The thirty ye old Michael Rotondo, The time 0:00:37.920 --> 0:00:40.280 had come and went, so much so that his parents 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:43.239 took legal action to evict him from their house. His 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:46.440 parents sent him a number of eviction notices and finally 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:49.240 took him to court, but Michael was still fighting to stay. 0:00:49.400 --> 0:00:52.960 Oscar Amirez, friend, good to have you on the show. 0:00:53.560 --> 0:00:56.720 Thanks for having me, Maddie. I'm pretty excited about about 0:00:56.760 --> 0:01:00.600 the new podcast, The Daily Dive, And I'm really excited 0:01:00.680 --> 0:01:03.600 for you, Oscar, because you're somebody who has worked a 0:01:03.640 --> 0:01:06.480 lot as a producer and this is this is the 0:01:06.520 --> 0:01:09.320 first show where you're the star. How do you feel 0:01:09.360 --> 0:01:12.720 about that? I'm pretty excited you're right. I mean, I've 0:01:12.760 --> 0:01:16.039 been producing for such a long time, and I had, like, 0:01:16.240 --> 0:01:18.160 I had a podcast way back in the day, you 0:01:18.160 --> 0:01:19.880 know when we all start out and we have you know, 0:01:19.880 --> 0:01:22.600 our little pet projects. I had one with a buddy 0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:25.600 of mine, Mondo Hernandez, and you know, it was just 0:01:25.640 --> 0:01:28.240 about music. It was about a couple of other random stuff, 0:01:28.280 --> 0:01:31.120 news news items. But yeah, this is the first thing 0:01:31.120 --> 0:01:33.200 that I've kind of been able to call my own now, 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:36.199 so I'm very excited. Well, I'm a I'm a fan 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:39.720 of a good radio story because I never have met 0:01:39.760 --> 0:01:42.800 anybody who has like a boring radio story of how 0:01:42.800 --> 0:01:46.560 they got into radio. So don't don't don't be the first. Um, 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:50.120 how did you end up in this wacky career. Well, 0:01:50.160 --> 0:01:52.360 like I said, I I had my friend Mondo, who 0:01:52.400 --> 0:01:54.960 I was working with at another station. We were doing 0:01:55.960 --> 0:01:58.520 live and local show. I was just, you know, kind 0:01:58.520 --> 0:02:00.600 of an intern. I would work on some web stuff, 0:02:00.840 --> 0:02:02.680 but we're doing a live in local show with the host. 0:02:03.120 --> 0:02:05.040 We were in l a. But we were doing our 0:02:05.080 --> 0:02:08.480 show for Denver, Colorado, and we did that for a 0:02:08.480 --> 0:02:10.680 few years. We doubled up. We had another show that 0:02:10.760 --> 0:02:13.440 was for El Paso, Texas, but it was the same thing. 0:02:13.680 --> 0:02:15.880 It was this live and local thing that we were 0:02:15.919 --> 0:02:20.120 trying to accomplish, and out of live in local in 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:24.600 El Paso, based out of l A. That was the 0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:28.200 deal that our host had and and then two thou 0:02:28.440 --> 0:02:31.680 eight hit and everything crashed. So I got laid off 0:02:31.680 --> 0:02:34.760 for a little bit. And then I was I kept 0:02:34.800 --> 0:02:37.400 emailing people here at KFI, which where I where I 0:02:37.400 --> 0:02:40.639 started the rest of my radio career, and I said, hey, 0:02:40.800 --> 0:02:44.160 I'm available, let me help. I have some board up experience, 0:02:44.600 --> 0:02:46.760 and they brought me on board. I started as a 0:02:46.800 --> 0:02:51.680 board up UM. I moved into producing a food show 0:02:51.720 --> 0:02:54.560 called The Fork Report with Neil Savedro. We would do 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:58.080 you know, have restaurants come in, bring us some food, 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:01.000 We taste of food, We talked about food and news items. 0:03:01.200 --> 0:03:03.840 There was a lot of fun. I moved on into 0:03:03.880 --> 0:03:06.519 producing associate producing for the John and Ken Show on 0:03:06.600 --> 0:03:09.959 KFI UM. Then I got my own chance to host 0:03:10.720 --> 0:03:12.959 the Gary and Shannon Show. I was the main producer 0:03:13.000 --> 0:03:15.040 for that and I was just doing all that stuff 0:03:15.080 --> 0:03:17.239 for over the course of like seven years, I believe. 0:03:17.760 --> 0:03:21.120 And now I moved on into another role at the station, 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:23.880 and then the Daily Dive podcast came along, so I 0:03:23.919 --> 0:03:25.640 was able to go through there. But it was just 0:03:26.000 --> 0:03:29.480 you know, constant different shows, learning a bunch of different stuff, 0:03:29.960 --> 0:03:33.239 you know, from board op to producing, hosting. It's I've 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:35.720 just kind of run the whole gamut. I I'm a 0:03:35.760 --> 0:03:37.880 fan of the starting at board up and working your 0:03:37.920 --> 0:03:41.080 way up, but I think most of us started, uh 0:03:41.080 --> 0:03:43.520 in radio. I don't think a lot of people understand. 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:46.920 You know, I'm a I'm a producer by by trade, um, 0:03:46.960 --> 0:03:49.520 but I don't think a lot of people understand, like 0:03:49.680 --> 0:03:52.560 what all a producer is responsive before. I know it's 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:55.400 different from every show, but you know, what are some 0:03:55.480 --> 0:03:58.280 of the things both glamorous and unglamorous that you have 0:03:58.320 --> 0:04:01.080 found yourself doing as as the producer of a of 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:02.800 a radio show. You don't have to be specific if 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:05.400 it's something bad, no, I mean, well, you know, the 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:09.200 most unglamorous parts I think are when you're hounding down guests. 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:12.000 You know, it's it's tough to always, you know, be 0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:14.240 calling somebody over and over and hey, I need somebody, 0:04:14.360 --> 0:04:16.120 can you come on? And you know that can get 0:04:16.120 --> 0:04:19.559 a little tiresome sometimes. But on the other flip side, 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:22.719 you know, when you really get a great segment together 0:04:23.200 --> 0:04:25.920 and the host knocks it out and everybody's really happy, 0:04:25.920 --> 0:04:28.640 and the listeners chime in on social media and they say, 0:04:28.720 --> 0:04:31.359 we really enjoyed that. I mean, that really makes it 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:34.359 feel really good. You can't you can't really replace that 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:37.479 feeling because you know, it's touching people and people are 0:04:37.560 --> 0:04:40.240 enjoying it and having fun. And that's really what makes 0:04:40.279 --> 0:04:43.800 me feel pretty proud about, you know, producing some good segments. 0:04:43.960 --> 0:04:45.960 I would say with radio that the highs are very 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:48.719 high and the lows can be pretty low. It it 0:04:48.720 --> 0:04:53.360 can be emotionally straining, especially in this business where, um, 0:04:53.400 --> 0:04:56.400 you know, things get changed oftentimes when you have no 0:04:56.680 --> 0:04:58.719 say in it. You know, when it comes to hosts 0:04:58.720 --> 0:05:01.240 and shows and they're here and they're gone. Um. Have 0:05:01.360 --> 0:05:03.000 you found that to be true as well as far 0:05:03.040 --> 0:05:07.960 as the emotional taxings of this career, totally? Uh. You know, 0:05:08.520 --> 0:05:12.000 it's not terribly difficult what we do. It's not physically 0:05:12.040 --> 0:05:16.159 taxing a lot of times, but it's stressful. It's mentally taxing. Um. 0:05:16.240 --> 0:05:19.680 And you know, when you're on live radio, hitting that 0:05:19.760 --> 0:05:22.919 clock is really important. You have to make sure a 0:05:22.920 --> 0:05:24.800 segment times out. You gotta hit your breaks. So the 0:05:24.800 --> 0:05:28.760 commercials can play. You've got to conceptualize a segment in 0:05:28.800 --> 0:05:30.719 your head so that it all times out. And you know, 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:33.839 depending on on the station, sometimes you have you know, 0:05:34.000 --> 0:05:36.560 seven eight minutes up to ten minutes for a segment. 0:05:36.839 --> 0:05:38.560 You gotta make sure it fits, and you gotta make 0:05:38.560 --> 0:05:40.600 sure it lasts the whole the whole segment to you 0:05:40.640 --> 0:05:43.560 don't want to run short. Um. So yeah, it's totally 0:05:43.600 --> 0:05:46.640 stressful a lot of times. And and like I said, 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:49.720 you know when you're especially when you're trying to track 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:53.479 down guests that are part of an emotional story, you know, 0:05:53.520 --> 0:05:56.000 maybe part of a tragedy, those are really tough to 0:05:56.120 --> 0:05:58.880 handle because you want to be sensitive to the guests. 0:05:58.880 --> 0:06:01.880 But the same time, you know it's very newsworthy and 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:04.800 you you got to get it for your listeners. Did 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:07.480 you find that you fall into the category of news 0:06:07.560 --> 0:06:11.719 junkie or is it something you do at work? Uh? No, 0:06:11.920 --> 0:06:15.040 I have become a news junkie when I first started. 0:06:15.200 --> 0:06:17.880 You know, obviously pay attention to the news what's going on, 0:06:18.520 --> 0:06:21.320 But once you get into producer mode, you're kind of 0:06:21.360 --> 0:06:24.000 always working. Even you know, you go I would go home, 0:06:24.080 --> 0:06:25.800 sit down in the couch, pull my phone out and 0:06:25.839 --> 0:06:28.680 look at my news apps, and I'd start saving stories 0:06:28.760 --> 0:06:32.040 for tomorrow for the next day. Uh, start making notes. Oh, 0:06:32.040 --> 0:06:33.440 this would be a great guest to get. So you 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:36.360 kind of just become the news junkie just because it's 0:06:36.400 --> 0:06:38.360 part of your job. So no, I would do it 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:42.400 all all the time, at work, at home, anytime. The 0:06:42.400 --> 0:06:45.240 good part about being a news junkie and being your 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:47.760 job is that you can write anything off for taxes. 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:50.040 According to my accountant in New York, he he thinks 0:06:50.240 --> 0:06:52.480 any meal, anytime I talk about anything, hey, that's a 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:56.520 write off, Matt said, talk about this, that's a write off. 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:58.840 That's a rite off. So hey, just keep that in mind. 0:06:59.320 --> 0:07:02.240 By wife works in media also, and it's the same 0:07:02.279 --> 0:07:06.160 thing like our Hulu and Netflix, and it's like it's 0:07:06.160 --> 0:07:14.280 show prep. You know, you're you're of a younger generation 0:07:14.360 --> 0:07:17.640 of of folks working in news. Do you feel that 0:07:17.640 --> 0:07:20.440 that there's a passion for paying attention to what's going 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:23.360 on the world? Um, now, as much as it has 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:25.480 been in the past. I'll just give you my two 0:07:25.560 --> 0:07:28.880 cents on I teach at a university, so um, I 0:07:28.920 --> 0:07:32.080 don't think that the students realize that their news junkies, 0:07:32.240 --> 0:07:34.200 but they spend so much time on social media that 0:07:34.480 --> 0:07:36.120 they actually do know a lot about what's going on 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:38.720 in the world. Do you feel that, Um, you know 0:07:38.840 --> 0:07:42.560 your generation is as informed or or not. I I 0:07:43.400 --> 0:07:45.000 kind of tend to agree with with exactly what you 0:07:45.040 --> 0:07:46.920 said about the social media stuff. I mean, it's it's 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:49.800 different now, I feel, Um, you know, we're looking at 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:53.040 our snapchats and our Instagrams and you're getting news items 0:07:53.080 --> 0:07:55.920 through there. You know, Snapchat in particular has a whole 0:07:55.960 --> 0:07:57.880 bunch of different you know, their stories that they tell, 0:07:57.960 --> 0:08:00.320 but they're all kind of loosely related news items, and 0:08:00.360 --> 0:08:03.640 you can even subscribe to a bunch of news items. Um. 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:06.320 So I think people are informed. There's just a different 0:08:06.320 --> 0:08:09.480 way they absorb the information. They'll get it through their Facebook. 0:08:10.040 --> 0:08:12.440 Um I don't think. Maybe a lot of people don't 0:08:12.440 --> 0:08:16.680 necessarily read as much like a classic newspaper, but they 0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:19.880 follow their blogs, they follow their social media. So yeah, 0:08:19.920 --> 0:08:22.480 they are informed. It's just a different way of taking 0:08:22.520 --> 0:08:26.640 in the information. Uh So, Yeah, I just feel but 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:30.840 I think also, uh, you know, with this latest election, 0:08:31.320 --> 0:08:34.480 people went into overdrive. They wanted to know what happened, 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:37.640 what's going on now? They're going into overdrive trying to 0:08:37.679 --> 0:08:40.480 find more stories, trying to find out what's going on, 0:08:40.600 --> 0:08:42.720 keeping in touch with what's happening every day. That's all. 0:08:42.720 --> 0:08:47.439 We have so many crazy political stories happening constantly because 0:08:47.440 --> 0:08:49.920 everybody just wants to know more and more about it. Well, 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:53.560 I I tell people this all the time. Donald Trump 0:08:53.600 --> 0:08:56.640 is the best thing to have happened to an uneducated 0:08:56.640 --> 0:09:02.280 electorate where um, people who were before Trump, an uneducated 0:09:02.320 --> 0:09:04.679 electorate who didn't pay attention to what's going on in government, 0:09:04.679 --> 0:09:06.760 does not not paying attention to what bills are passed 0:09:06.800 --> 0:09:09.880 or who's secretary of whatever they do. Now this is 0:09:10.000 --> 0:09:13.720 he This, his little reality show has helped create a 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:19.120 world where um, people are more interested in do you agree? 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:22.560 I totally agree? Um, you know it, whether you agree 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:25.840 with his politics or not. When the election happened, you know, 0:09:25.920 --> 0:09:29.520 we all remember those pictures that were widely circulated where 0:09:29.600 --> 0:09:32.439 people just look dumbfounded there like how could Hillary lose? 0:09:32.679 --> 0:09:35.040 And how could Donald Trump win? I think that really 0:09:35.280 --> 0:09:37.120 caused a stern a lot of people where they said, well, 0:09:37.160 --> 0:09:39.560 now I really need to look into what the process is, 0:09:39.600 --> 0:09:41.640 how does this all work? Because I didn't know what 0:09:41.679 --> 0:09:43.680 was going on before, and a lot of people I 0:09:43.720 --> 0:09:46.160 have friends that say, oh, I don't vote, I don't care. 0:09:46.200 --> 0:09:48.480 It doesn't make you know, it doesn't help, it doesn't 0:09:48.480 --> 0:09:53.000 impact anything. But people started realizing you have to pay attention, 0:09:53.040 --> 0:09:55.640 you have to be part of the process so that 0:09:55.880 --> 0:09:57.640 you know you can get what you want, so you 0:09:57.679 --> 0:10:01.040 can be represented the way you feel he should be represented. 0:10:01.200 --> 0:10:03.640 So I totally agree. I think it he has been 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:07.200 great for business, um, and and for people just getting involved, 0:10:07.320 --> 0:10:10.199 learning more about the process, knowing what's going on with 0:10:10.240 --> 0:10:14.160 your country. Yeah, but the flip side, it has caused 0:10:14.200 --> 0:10:17.240 a lot of a lot more divisiveness as far as 0:10:17.280 --> 0:10:19.480 the news that we're we're where we get um where 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:22.640 before UM, you might have felt that CNN was more 0:10:23.040 --> 0:10:26.840 uh you know, maybe maybe not so liberally slanted, and 0:10:27.040 --> 0:10:30.680 now they're totally cast as the anti Trump network. Uh. 0:10:30.679 --> 0:10:33.520 Fox has always been that way, so they're not surprising anybody. 0:10:33.559 --> 0:10:36.360 But we see so much more what what people were 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:39.040 saying are partisan news, and I think that's where we 0:10:39.040 --> 0:10:41.480 can steer this into what you're trying to do with 0:10:41.520 --> 0:10:43.880 the Daily Dive, which is trying to take that out 0:10:43.880 --> 0:10:47.080 of there a little bit. Yeah, you know, in the 0:10:47.120 --> 0:10:49.160 time that I've been in radio, there was a time 0:10:49.200 --> 0:10:54.080 where it was very left right, national type news. You know, 0:10:54.120 --> 0:10:56.360 we had the big people like Rush Limbaugh and things 0:10:56.400 --> 0:10:58.760 like that, and then it kind of changed. In my opinion, 0:10:58.840 --> 0:11:00.520 I think it changed a little. It where it was 0:11:00.520 --> 0:11:03.200 trying to be a little more straight, a little more center. 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:05.719 Let's just give you the facts. You can determine things 0:11:05.760 --> 0:11:08.959 on your own. But with this latest election, it kind 0:11:08.960 --> 0:11:11.280 of seemed to go back a little bit. Everybody's in 0:11:11.280 --> 0:11:13.960 their own corners again and fighting tooth and nail to 0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:16.400 you know, be proven right or to say, hey, my guys, 0:11:16.720 --> 0:11:19.520 is the right guy? Um so? I yeah, I think 0:11:19.520 --> 0:11:22.200 it's definitely been in that end. With the podcast, you know, 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:25.679 I I try to evaluate issues on both sides all 0:11:25.720 --> 0:11:29.000 the time. You know, everybody has a valid opinion. Let's 0:11:29.000 --> 0:11:31.439 explore those things. Let's talk about this side, let's talk 0:11:31.440 --> 0:11:34.400 about that side, and the listener can make their own conclusions. 0:11:34.400 --> 0:11:36.600 I'm not here to tell you what to think, but 0:11:36.640 --> 0:11:39.120 I'm gonna here, gonna I'm gonna give you some I'm 0:11:39.120 --> 0:11:41.480 gonna give you some information and then, like I said, 0:11:41.520 --> 0:11:44.640 you make the determination. So do you find that that's 0:11:44.679 --> 0:11:49.440 hard to not have ah, somebody interpret something as a 0:11:49.480 --> 0:11:52.800 spin when you report a story. Oh totally. I mean 0:11:53.880 --> 0:11:56.760 we can even with other shows that I've done, Uh 0:11:56.880 --> 0:11:59.200 what I would talk to the host after and we'd say, 0:11:59.240 --> 0:12:01.360 you know, we'd a really good right there, we kind 0:12:01.360 --> 0:12:03.559 of right in the middle, and then we'll get social 0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:05.599 media feedback that says, hey, you'r way this way or 0:12:05.640 --> 0:12:07.880 your way on the right, and we look at each 0:12:07.880 --> 0:12:11.080 other and say, is that really what happened? You know, 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:13.640 we don't really understand how some people hear different things, 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:15.319 but a lot of times people hear what they want 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:17.840 to hear. So yeah, it is kind of difficult to 0:12:17.880 --> 0:12:20.000 stay right in the middle. And but like I said, 0:12:20.040 --> 0:12:22.480 that's the effort. I'm gonna give you the information and 0:12:22.600 --> 0:12:25.160 let's have you determine what what should think after that. 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:32.760 What have you learned? Um, the podcast has been out 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:35.720 for a few weeks now, what what have you learned 0:12:35.720 --> 0:12:39.680 so far in your podcasting journey? Mm hmm. It's an 0:12:39.760 --> 0:12:44.360 interesting question. Uh, it's a lot tougher than I thought that. 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:48.200 The daily thing, Uh really comes up on you fast. 0:12:48.640 --> 0:12:52.679 You know. When we had our let's say our regular 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:54.880 shows that I would produce before, you know, we'd always 0:12:54.880 --> 0:12:57.240 have the our clock. We knew what time we were 0:12:57.280 --> 0:12:59.520 going on. With the podcast, it's a little more free 0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:01.840 wheelings of Sometimes we'll try to book guests, will be 0:13:01.880 --> 0:13:05.199 waiting on, you know, somebody to bite, and then we'll 0:13:05.240 --> 0:13:07.000 have to rush into the studio and and and do 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:10.160 something really quick. So I think just kind of how 0:13:10.240 --> 0:13:14.280 quick time goes by really Uh, I'm kind of learning that, 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:17.880 you know, it goes by in a flash. Yeah. I 0:13:17.920 --> 0:13:21.000 think that when you do a daily podcast, there's there's 0:13:21.040 --> 0:13:23.120 a lot of things that people don't realize they go 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:26.800 into it when they listen to um, you know shows 0:13:26.840 --> 0:13:28.600 like The Daily from the New York Times. You know 0:13:28.679 --> 0:13:31.440 that they've got a whole host of people working on them. 0:13:31.800 --> 0:13:34.440 You've got a pretty soma staff. Um, you know what 0:13:34.440 --> 0:13:36.560 what is you know, what is one thing that that 0:13:36.679 --> 0:13:39.520 happens daily that that the listener would have no idea 0:13:39.640 --> 0:13:43.000 went into a segment? Well, like I said, you just 0:13:43.040 --> 0:13:45.640 alluded to. Uh, you know other podcasts that have this 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:48.320 big infrastructure like The Daily, you know they have the 0:13:48.320 --> 0:13:52.880 the New York Times behind them. Uh, they're always you know, 0:13:53.200 --> 0:13:55.480 working on stories. So when a story is gonna break, 0:13:55.520 --> 0:13:58.200 they say, hey, I got this big scoop. Let's do 0:13:58.240 --> 0:14:00.720 this for the podcast, you know it have a super 0:14:00.760 --> 0:14:03.640 small staff on this side, so we're we have to 0:14:03.679 --> 0:14:06.680 wait for a story to develop. Then we'll chase down 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:09.840 those leads, get the right the right person to talk 0:14:09.880 --> 0:14:12.400 to somebody who's been working that story, and then we'll 0:14:12.440 --> 0:14:15.079 go ahead and we'll do the the interview, will uh 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:18.720 will dissect the case. We'll we'll dissect the the the issue. 0:14:19.080 --> 0:14:21.240 So I think that's kind of where where we're at. 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:24.400 You know, we're a small staff. It's we're always waiting 0:14:24.400 --> 0:14:26.680 to see what's developing and then going that way. Do 0:14:26.680 --> 0:14:28.680 you have a favorite episode that you've done so far? 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:34.640 We just did when that went up yesterday or today 0:14:35.320 --> 0:14:38.600 for the Lorely Anything. I just I thought it was hilarious. 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:42.720 It was the version of the dress. And I just 0:14:42.800 --> 0:14:46.760 love those things that everybody can really relate to so easily. 0:14:46.960 --> 0:14:48.640 You know, you hear it and instantly you have an 0:14:48.680 --> 0:14:51.920 opinion about it. So I always love those, and we 0:14:52.240 --> 0:14:55.120 the angle that we took was let's find out who 0:14:55.240 --> 0:14:59.560 started who started the you know, who found the audio, 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:03.760 who act who actually recorded the audio, and then uh, 0:15:03.800 --> 0:15:06.640 you know, what does it all mean? And just briefly. 0:15:06.760 --> 0:15:08.720 You know, it was a high school freshman who was 0:15:08.760 --> 0:15:11.560 studying for one of her exams, went onto vocabulary dot 0:15:11.560 --> 0:15:14.800 Com and click the link for Laurel to hear what 0:15:14.880 --> 0:15:17.320 it sounded like, just so she can study her note cards. 0:15:17.840 --> 0:15:20.480 And then we go back and find out that vocabulary 0:15:20.520 --> 0:15:23.200 dot Com ten years ago hired an opera singer to 0:15:23.320 --> 0:15:27.040 read like thirty thousand words for their website. So it's 0:15:27.040 --> 0:15:30.520 an opera singer who voiced it. And then beyond that, 0:15:30.600 --> 0:15:32.440 you know what it does, what your brain does to it, 0:15:32.520 --> 0:15:35.240 how you hear it, and and and then everybody else, 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:36.840 you know, like I said, just has a quick opinion 0:15:36.840 --> 0:15:38.280 about it. You hear this or you hear that, and 0:15:38.320 --> 0:15:40.720 it's you're on both sides of it. So I just 0:15:40.800 --> 0:15:42.840 love those things. And and it was one of my 0:15:43.200 --> 0:15:45.880 favorite episodes that we just did recently. Oh, I'm so excited. 0:15:45.880 --> 0:15:47.520 I'm so glad you explained it too, because I didn't 0:15:47.520 --> 0:15:49.640 get to hear it yet. So are you are you 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:52.840 a Yanni or Laurel guy? So here's what happened. I 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:56.520 listened to it the first time and clearest can be, 0:15:56.680 --> 0:16:00.760 it was Yanni, And to play it from my wife 0:16:00.800 --> 0:16:03.560 and I'm it was completely Laurel, and it's been Laurel 0:16:03.680 --> 0:16:07.480 ever since. So um, it's really odd. I mean, it 0:16:07.560 --> 0:16:10.840 completely switched on me, and now I can't hear Yanny 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:16.400 at all. So yeah, I was Yanni person from the beginning. Um. 0:16:16.640 --> 0:16:18.520 For the podcast, what we did was we changed the 0:16:18.560 --> 0:16:21.920 pitch higher and lower, and then you at one point 0:16:21.960 --> 0:16:25.160 you can hear the crossover, but even beyond that. Later, 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:27.400 when we were editing the podcast, in my headphones, I 0:16:27.400 --> 0:16:30.360 heard Laurel and I said, what, I never heard Laurel before. 0:16:30.360 --> 0:16:32.680 I ripped my headphones off and turned the speakers on 0:16:32.680 --> 0:16:34.840 my computer up, and it went back to Yanny. So 0:16:35.000 --> 0:16:38.320 it's it's all over the place. It depends what speakers 0:16:38.320 --> 0:16:41.680 you're using, headphones, It's a lot of different factors. But 0:16:42.320 --> 0:16:45.040 the definitive answer is that it's Laurel because it's came 0:16:45.040 --> 0:16:48.320 from vocabulary dot com read by an opera singer ten 0:16:48.400 --> 0:16:51.600 years ago. I think that one thing I loved about 0:16:51.600 --> 0:16:53.320 the whole thing is that I love it when people 0:16:53.360 --> 0:16:56.400 get nerdy about audio because in our business, we do, 0:16:56.560 --> 0:16:57.840 you know, we know what to look. We look at 0:16:57.840 --> 0:16:59.720 wave forms. Were you know, I'm looking at one right now, 0:16:59.880 --> 0:17:02.440 was and recording this, uh, and it's fun to see 0:17:02.440 --> 0:17:04.480 other people get in and get into that, and I 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:08.000 think it's it also speaks to the to the importance 0:17:08.040 --> 0:17:10.439 of of audio and humans lives, and it's one of 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:12.439 the things that we get to do with podcasters is 0:17:12.480 --> 0:17:16.240 really touch that emotion that only audio can touch. I agree, 0:17:16.320 --> 0:17:19.879 and you know, just briefly touching still on this Yanni 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:21.880 Laurel thing, I was trying to do some researchers what's 0:17:21.920 --> 0:17:24.680 going on, what's going on? Um, trying to find out 0:17:24.680 --> 0:17:28.280 some explainer videos and this one guy had totally had me. 0:17:28.280 --> 0:17:31.280 He says, you gotta divide the audio into stereo. And 0:17:31.280 --> 0:17:33.119 he's like, see you have the two channels here and 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:35.040 you see the two different wave forms, and he's like, 0:17:35.080 --> 0:17:37.240 and then you press this button and then he played 0:17:37.240 --> 0:17:39.280 the rick Roll song and I'm like, oh my god, 0:17:39.320 --> 0:17:41.360 I can't believe I just felt for this whole thing. 0:17:42.000 --> 0:17:45.919 But but You's like, I'm trying to find out what 0:17:45.960 --> 0:17:49.359 the secret is, UM. But yeah, you know, and beyond 0:17:49.400 --> 0:17:53.080 that with this whole podcast a phenomenon that's going huge 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:55.600 now everybody is trying to do podcast it is you know, 0:17:55.680 --> 0:17:58.280 you want to you want to take in information you 0:17:58.320 --> 0:18:00.920 want to take in stories on your own time. There's 0:18:00.960 --> 0:18:05.400 a lot of compelling storytelling with um, you know, classics 0:18:05.440 --> 0:18:07.719 like Sereal and I say classics even though it's only 0:18:07.720 --> 0:18:11.600 a few years old, right, um, but just really compelling 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:15.160 storytelling that you can take in on your own time. 0:18:15.240 --> 0:18:18.560 And and you know, I tried to take into some 0:18:18.600 --> 0:18:20.920 good podcasts as as often as I can, just because 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:24.480 I love long form storytelling. And uh. I obviously we 0:18:24.600 --> 0:18:27.680 do something daily here because it's we're more news focused, 0:18:27.920 --> 0:18:29.560 but I'll always take the time to go back and 0:18:29.920 --> 0:18:32.480 listen to somebody something that somebody put together over the 0:18:32.480 --> 0:18:35.720 course of weeks. Uh, you know, an episode of a 0:18:35.720 --> 0:18:38.520 week or something like that, just because you connect with 0:18:38.560 --> 0:18:44.600 the stories a lot more. Well, that's a great transition 0:18:44.960 --> 0:18:49.280 into our final segment. It's called three killer questions. Are 0:18:49.320 --> 0:18:52.960 you ready? I'm ready? All right, oscar. If there was 0:18:53.400 --> 0:18:57.200 a podcast featuring any person living or dead, who would 0:18:57.200 --> 0:19:02.400 you want to listen to? Oh? Wow, podcast with anybody 0:19:02.440 --> 0:19:05.360 living or dead, and they could be you can combine 0:19:05.440 --> 0:19:10.520 them too. Oh man, that is that is such a 0:19:10.560 --> 0:19:14.480 hard question. Um. I should probably send this out ahead 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:15.720 of time, but I don't feel like you get a 0:19:15.880 --> 0:19:19.640 true A response. That's that's a that's a really tough one. 0:19:19.680 --> 0:19:22.960 Who up in your head? Yeah, let's see. I don't know. 0:19:23.000 --> 0:19:28.400 I automatically jump into music just because I'm a such 0:19:28.400 --> 0:19:31.640 a huge music fan and I I just think of 0:19:31.720 --> 0:19:33.399 some of the people that I've really been into lately. 0:19:33.560 --> 0:19:35.760 You know. I love John Legend, kind of that R 0:19:35.840 --> 0:19:40.320 and b uh and soulful sound. I love. He's a 0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:44.080 Canadian DJ k Tronada. I don't know Anderson Pack. I 0:19:44.119 --> 0:19:46.720 just feel like I would really like I'm really into 0:19:46.760 --> 0:19:48.880 their stuff. I just really feel like i'd want to 0:19:49.000 --> 0:19:52.000 have them explain their whole process. I don't know, I 0:19:52.280 --> 0:19:54.080 just I would go that music angle. I don't know why. 0:19:54.400 --> 0:19:56.720 All right, What was the first piece of technology that 0:19:56.760 --> 0:19:59.200 you used it changed your life that you said, hey, 0:19:59.280 --> 0:20:01.119 this is this is it, this is this is going 0:20:01.160 --> 0:20:04.840 to change things that I thought change stuff. I mean, 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:08.919 going back to a childhood, my first Nintendo. There you go. 0:20:09.359 --> 0:20:11.440 I really I was such a video game nerd, video 0:20:11.440 --> 0:20:14.879 game kid growing up. I think I would cry and 0:20:14.920 --> 0:20:17.720