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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grease.

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Speaker 2: In the last days, we learned that the Long Island

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Speaker 2: serial killer suspect Rex Huerman has been taken off suicide

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Speaker 2: watch as Gilgo Beach victims say they believe his wife

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Speaker 2: did know everything that was going on, and in fact

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Speaker 2: one witness placing her in the home during the time

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Speaker 2: one of the victims was murdered. But breaking now we

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Speaker 2: now understand why the Las Vegas victims are now potential

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Speaker 2: victims of the Long Island serial killer. What is the

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Speaker 2: connection and how many more dead bodies can be chalked

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Speaker 2: up to one man? I mean, as he graced this

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Speaker 2: is Crime Stories. Thank you for being with us here

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Speaker 2: at Fox Nation and Serious XM one eleven. Also rex Huremann,

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Speaker 2: the Long Island serial killer suspect refuses to give DNA.

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Speaker 2: Wonder why but a judge swoops in and demands you

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Speaker 2: will give DNA rex Hureman, But let's just start at

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Speaker 2: the beginning. Take a listen to our friends at news twelve.

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Speaker 3: Twenty years since a gravel truck driver made a grousome

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Speaker 4: That she just was thrown like a piece of traction

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Speaker 4: in the desert. You first hear, it's unbelievable. It feels

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Speaker 4: like a lifetime movie.

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Speaker 3: The discarded body belonged to a young teenage sex worker

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Speaker 3: originally from New Jersey named Victoria Kamara.

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Speaker 2: With me an all star panel to make sense of

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Speaker 2: what we know right now, including a woman that has

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Speaker 2: seemingly connected the dots between the Long Island serial killer

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Speaker 2: and potential suspects in Vegas. And that would be Tara

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Speaker 2: Rosenbloom joining us from News twelve Long Island. But first

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Speaker 2: glen Dean Grant. You may not have heard of her,

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Speaker 2: but you will remember her name after you hear what

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Speaker 2: she's got to say. Glendan is the mother of a

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Speaker 2: twenty year old young girl trafficked into sex work in Vegas,

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Speaker 2: missing since two thousand and six. She is the founder

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Speaker 2: of math M, a t h Mothers against Trafficking Humans.

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Speaker 4: Miss Grant, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 5: Oh, I appreciate you having me on, Nancy, I appreciate

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Speaker 5: it a lot.

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Speaker 2: You know. It actually hurts me to hear you thank

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Speaker 2: me after all you have been through, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, I have a daughter and a son.

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Speaker 2: They're twins and not much younger than your daughter when

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Speaker 2: she was sex trafficked in Vegas. Yes, I want to

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Speaker 2: hear your reaction to the potential link between the Long

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Speaker 2: Island serial killer and bodies of young sex workers found

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Speaker 5: Oh well, it's it's just well, was a scout off again?

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Speaker 5: It gets us going again, hopeful that there might be answers,

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Speaker 5: praying that Jesse has found. You know, at this point,

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Speaker 5: you know, having her missing for seventeen and a half years,

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Speaker 5: maybe she's still alive, to you know, you kind of

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Speaker 5: hope she's not after all this time, if it's you know,

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Speaker 5: horrible things are happening to her, and then back to

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Speaker 5: you know, I just don't feel that she's gone in

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Speaker 5: my mother heart, to not seeing any other options. So

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Speaker 5: anytime something like this comes up, we get anxious again.

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Speaker 5: We hope that this time we will have the answers

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Speaker 2: In addition to Tara Rosenbloom, News twelve, Long Island, Kristin

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Speaker 2: I want to talk to you about potential links between

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Speaker 3: News twelve learn late Wednesday afternoon that the Las Vegas

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Speaker 3: Police Department just got the green light to conduct a

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Speaker 3: direct comparison between suspected Gilgo Beach killer Rex Hwerman's DNA

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Speaker 3: other cold cases that we've reported on in recent weeks,

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Speaker 2: Okay, straight to you, Tara Rosenbloom needs twelve, Long Island

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Speaker 6: Okay, Nancy, thanks for sharing those clips. That was actually

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Speaker 6: all information that we broke first on News twelve and

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Speaker 6: First thing we needed to find out, as you and

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Speaker 6: I had spoken, Nancy, is how many cold cases there

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Speaker 6: because they didn't have it tallyan determined there were two

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Speaker 2: You think, and I even hate to say this is

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Speaker 2: are missing. I mean, Glendayane Grant, that's just got to

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Speaker 2: to tell us that's around the time that Huerman was

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Speaker 2: many people are missing. Are you kidding me, Glendane? What

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Speaker 5: It drives us crazy, Nancy. We literally have to be

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Speaker 5: and we give them tips that don't always get looked at.

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Speaker 5: the case that I'm so grateful for. He contact to me,

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Speaker 5: he asked to be put on the case. He remembers

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Speaker 5: Jesse's kids from the get go. He said that he

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Speaker 2: Well, that's so good news. There's new a need to

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Speaker 2: get about three inches of their tailpot. You had to

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Speaker 6: We did, Nancy, and out of those two hundred and

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Speaker 6: we were knee deep in this. We were comparing autopsy records,

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Speaker 6: has been looking for answers. Her daughter was barely one

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Speaker 2: Okay, hold on, you've just thrown us all a bombshell

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Speaker 2: a grenade. I read your report late last night and

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Speaker 2: it's amazing, not only your reporting and all the work,

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Speaker 4: It's happening, It is happening.

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Speaker 2: Vegas PD now has the go ahead to make DNA

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Speaker 2: Two rex human sitting, as I said earlier, getting three

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Speaker 2: listen to our friends at News twelve.

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Speaker 3: In his first interview since Hireman's Bombshell was, a three

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Speaker 8: I can just say that there are similar circumstances between

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Speaker 9: They were sex workers and they disappeared and they were

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Speaker 3: Bil Ramos told me three cases he knows of have

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Speaker 1: Prime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Tara Rosenbloom has done so much investigative work. Explain what

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Speaker 2: break down what we're hearing right now, Tara.

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Speaker 6: But Victoria Kamara disappeared and was discovered. Actually we just

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Speaker 6: So something had to have prompted this. There's something that

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Speaker 4: I mean, it's amazing to me that you.

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Speaker 11: They're all over this.

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Speaker 2: Cheryl jump in, Nancy.

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Speaker 8: You've got folks now that are looking seriously at these victims.

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Speaker 8: And some of the similarities are the strangulation dismemberment. Their

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Speaker 4: Let's slow it down, strangulation, bodies.

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Speaker 5: Wrapped, they were dismembered.

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Speaker 2: Remember the gilg for are wrapped in chemo burlapp and

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Speaker 2: I believe Karen Vergada's legs. Several legs were found in

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Speaker 2: What right, Yes, so it's the wrapping, and I'm working

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Speaker 4: Still with you. Strangulation, wrapping the body.

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Speaker 8: One thing that is critical for me is when you

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, from Vegas to South Carolina and probably beyond,

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Speaker 2: Tara Rosenbloom. Were the Vegas victims wrapped? Were they in

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Speaker 11: Hit me well, Nancy, what all this tells me is

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Speaker 11: Well, hey, there's sex workers all over Vegas, but he

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Speaker 11: because he can dispose of the body parts and Nancy.

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Speaker 4: Vast areas of land.

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Speaker 11: Go ahead, Tara to piggyback.

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Speaker 6: Mat I thought something really telling this week. I was

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Speaker 6: in the jail because we just marked the one month

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Speaker 6: incarceration on milestone of Rex Heureman and Suffolk. So I

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Speaker 6: went to see what a cell looked like, what the

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Speaker 6: conditions were like. And during that interview with Sheriff Toulon,

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Speaker 6: I asked him point blank, do you think because he's

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Speaker 6: been involved in the task force obviously since the get

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Speaker 6: go and I asked some point blank, do you believe

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Speaker 6: that Rex Heureman had a hand in these five cases

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Speaker 6: we're talking about in Las Vegas. Nancy looked directly at

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Speaker 6: the camera and said, yeah, how.

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Speaker 2: Can we place him there take alas snour cut one

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Speaker 2: seven two, He's twelve.

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Speaker 3: Property records obtained by the Turn to Tara team showed

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Speaker 3: the successful Arbitek bought a time share in Las Vegas

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Speaker 3: in two thousand and four at Windom Vacation Resorts that

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Speaker 3: he later sold for fifty one dollars in twenty thirteen,

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Speaker 3: and public documents also show he still owns another time

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Speaker 3: share here at Clubs so Well.

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Speaker 2: Joining us now, Joseph Jackline, former NYPD sergeant, cold case investigator,

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Speaker 2: author of the Cold Case Handbook and the Criminal Investigative Function,

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Speaker 2: jo thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 4: What's your take?

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Speaker 14: Thanks, Anthy. Yes, our law enforcement is doing exactly what

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Speaker 14: it should be doing. You have a suspect in a

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Speaker 14: major case here in New York. You're fighting now to

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Speaker 14: get the DNA to put it to codis. Because of

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Speaker 14: New York's rules, they don't follow the Maryland First King

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Speaker 14: Supreme Court decision that allows police departments to put DNA

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Speaker 14: in upon arrest. New York State still requires it upon conviction.

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Speaker 14: And that's what the hold up is in a lot

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Speaker 14: of these cases. So Las Vegas has a specific reason,

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Speaker 14: so they have some sort of DNA that they want

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Speaker 14: to match up, and they were able to convince the

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Speaker 14: judge that they've been able to do this. So that's

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Speaker 14: why we're headed to that direction. And listen, this is

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Speaker 14: part of the case one O one. You try to

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Speaker 14: find cases that are connected to yours, because each one

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Speaker 14: of those cases could hold a peace to another one.

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Speaker 14: And law enforcement now is doing exactly what it should

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Speaker 14: be doing. You have an invigorated police department in Suffolk County,

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Speaker 14: you have this task force with the New York State

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Speaker 14: Police and the FBI. You have some good quality investigation

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Speaker 14: going on in a short period of time, and that

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Speaker 14: everybody across the country wherever this guy lives now is

486
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Speaker 14: very excited and their eyes are wide open and they're

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Speaker 14: willing to do this. And that's sometimes all you need

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Speaker 14: is that first set of eyes to break something open.

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Speaker 2: I think you're right, guys. I want you to take

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Speaker 2: a listen. While all of this is swirling, the Long

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Speaker 2: Island serial killer suspect Rex Hureman refuses to give a

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Speaker 2: DNA sample. Gee, I wonder why, but a judge would

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Speaker 2: hear none of it. Take a listen nowur cut one

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Speaker 2: seven five from WCBS.

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Speaker 15: New Tonight Now A judge has ordered Gilgo Beach serial

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Speaker 15: murder suspect Rex Huerman to submit DNA sample. Huerman's attorneys

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Speaker 15: tried to block the move, arguing prosecutors failed to show

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Speaker 15: probable cause connecting him to a DNA sample taken from

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Speaker 15: a pizza box, But according to court documents, that judge

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Speaker 15: said there is enough probable cause to believe Huermen committed

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Speaker 15: the crime that he is charged with no word on

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Speaker 15: when Heureman will submit to a cheek swap.

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Speaker 2: To Banarda via Lona who worked in the homicide bureau

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Speaker 2: with one of the prosecutors on the Gilgo case. She

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Speaker 2: is now a high profile defense attorney joining us out

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Speaker 2: of New York and you can find her at via

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Speaker 2: Lona Law dot com. Banarda, what about him jumping up

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Speaker 2: claiming he would not give a DNA sample?

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Speaker 7: Oh, don't worry about that, NFC, because what the prosecutors

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Speaker 7: can do is get a fourth order where they actually

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Speaker 7: force him and hold them down to try to get

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Speaker 7: a DNA sample from him.

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Speaker 13: So that's going to happen. So you're going to do

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Speaker 13: it the easy way on a heart.

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Speaker 4: Yeah right there.

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Speaker 2: Believe me, I am not worried about him claiming he

517
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Speaker 2: won't give the DNA because they did exactly what you

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Speaker 2: just said. You can't just throw somebody down and stick

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Speaker 2: a Q tip in their mouth. You have to have

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Speaker 2: a court order then you can throw somebody down a

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Speaker 2: stick Q tip in their mouth. And in this case,

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Speaker 2: Rex Huerman, I think it's very telling he would not

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Speaker 2: give his DNA.

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Speaker 4: Why not if he's in You.

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Speaker 2: Know what if someone said to me, Nancy, I think

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Speaker 2: you're a killer, give me your DNA and say, fine,

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Speaker 2: take it.

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Speaker 4: I'm not a killer.

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Speaker 2: But he refused to give it. Bernardo tells me Williams, they're.

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Speaker 7: Going to use his refusal also against him as consciousness

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Speaker 7: of guilt. At the time of trial, I will argue

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Speaker 7: that as a prosecutor, like look, ladies and gentlemen, there

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Speaker 7: was a court order to have him swab and he

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Speaker 7: refused to be swabbed. In fact, we needed to get

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Speaker 7: an order to get him squabbed. And why didn't he

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Speaker 7: want to be swapped? He thinks because he knew that

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Speaker 7: his DNA would be a direct link.

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Speaker 11: To be homicizedly so, but also Nancy, Nancy, he's dominated.

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Speaker 11: He's dominated everybody in his life. His wife his children,

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Speaker 11: his neighbors, the sex workers he's used to dominating. He's

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Speaker 11: probably staring those detectives down, thinking that he won't have

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Speaker 11: to give a DNA swab and think about what's going

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Speaker 11: to happen in court. He's going to be one of

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Speaker 11: those perps who just stares at the jurors, stares them down,

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Speaker 11: tries to dominate them, thinks that he's going to get

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Speaker 11: his way. So I think there's a psychological motive as well.

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Speaker 11: He's been at the center of his own universe as long.

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Speaker 7: It's just a rude.

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Speaker 11: Awakening for him that he's going to be compelled to

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Speaker 11: do something he doesn't want to do.

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Speaker 1: Time Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: You know, Cheryl McCollum, we were hearing Britain Aren't a

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Speaker 2: violona describe it, but the same thing in court. I

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Speaker 2: think you were in court when one defendant and it

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Speaker 2: was their murder case, would not shut the hay up,

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Speaker 2: would have constant outbursts, yelling, screaming, not letting anybody finish

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Speaker 2: what they were going to say.

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Speaker 4: I came in with a big.

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Speaker 2: Roll of black duct tape because you know what was

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Speaker 2: coming next, Cheryl McCollum. He would be gagged and duct

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Speaker 2: taped to that chair. Well it didn't take all that.

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Speaker 2: When he saw that duct tapee he suddenly went silent.

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Speaker 2: But there have been many cases where a defendant refuses

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Speaker 2: to give DNA and you have to physically restrain them

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Speaker 2: to get the DNA, and nobody wants that.

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Speaker 4: It's a bad look.

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Speaker 2: It's a bad look in front of a jury that

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Speaker 2: you've got law enforcement holding somebody down. But the reality

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Speaker 2: is when the defendant refuses to give DANA or refuses

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Speaker 2: to shut the hay up in the courtroom, so you

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Speaker 2: can't have a trial. What we're just going to stop

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Speaker 2: everything because they say, uh not today, that's not happening, Nancy.

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Speaker 8: Normally, when this falls to me to do with a suspect,

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Speaker 8: I walk in and behind me I usually have three

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Speaker 8: to four of the biggest officers I can find, and

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Speaker 8: the deal is this is going to go one of

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Speaker 8: two ways, but at the end of it, I will

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Speaker 8: get the sample. So again, visually go ahead and let

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Speaker 8: me just do it and let's both get on with

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Speaker 8: our day. In this situation, what you're going to have

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Speaker 8: when they talk about how he tries to use his

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Speaker 8: intimidation in his stature, and he's going to stare at people.

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Speaker 5: Let him it.

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Speaker 10: Will work out.

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Speaker 4: Stare away, work against.

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Speaker 8: Him, just like when we had the Wayne Wiggiams trial.

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Speaker 8: Let the jury see who this person actually is.

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Speaker 1: Do it.

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Speaker 2: And then imagine that big, hulky guy described as an

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Speaker 2: ogre by some what was happening behind closed doors with

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Speaker 2: a tiny, very slight in stature. Call girl a sex

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Speaker 2: worker all alone with this guy. I bet you anything

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Speaker 2: that the five victims out in Vegas were slight in stature.

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Speaker 2: I mean Glendale Grant is joining me. Jesse Foster's mother

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Speaker 2: just twenty years old when Jesse was trafficked in sex

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Speaker 2: work in Vegas, missing since two thousand and six, which

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Speaker 2: by the way, coincides with the time Hueman was there.

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Speaker 2: She is the founder of math m Ath Mothers Against

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Speaker 2: Trafficking Humans.

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Speaker 4: Glen Dean. Was Jesse a small, slight person.

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Speaker 5: Yes, she was very tiny. She was barely one hundred

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Speaker 5: and fifteen pounds. And I know for a fact that

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Speaker 5: Lindsay Marie Harris was also the same size as Jesse.

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Speaker 5: Looks are very strikingly similar.

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Speaker 4: Oh tell me, tell me.

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Speaker 5: You know what when we describe one or the other

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Speaker 5: of the women because I've been in touch with her

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Speaker 5: parents over the years. Not lately, but at the beginning.

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Speaker 5: We talked touch base anytime you could describe one of

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Speaker 5: the women and we would have to figure out if

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Speaker 5: we were talking about Lindsay or Jesse. You know, blonde hair,

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Speaker 5: five foot seven, both five six seven, one hundred and

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Speaker 5: fifteen pounds, very petite in size. The only difference is

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Speaker 5: Lindsay's eyes were blue and Jesse's weesel.

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Speaker 2: So very very petite, which also fits sin Cheryl McCollum

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Speaker 2: with the same mo.

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Speaker 4: Go ahead, please.

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Speaker 8: I just want to point something out too, that he's

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Speaker 8: a very different serial killer when you have somebody like

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Speaker 8: Bundy that goes out and hunts for you vulnerable victims.

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Speaker 8: Rex picked these women beforehand. He selected them that he

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Speaker 8: came to him, So it's like fish in a barrel.

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Speaker 8: So he has a very different mo in this situation

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Speaker 8: that I think is critical for people to understand. Yes,

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Speaker 8: he was a hunter. Yes he researched, and he stayed online,

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Speaker 8: and he made phone calls and that sort of thing, right,

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Speaker 8: but I think this is a long process that he

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Speaker 8: took enjoyment from beginning to end.

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Speaker 2: Guys, we're also hearing from victims' families angry that sons

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Speaker 2: are being raised for Hueerman's family. Take a list at

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Speaker 2: ourka one seven six. This is Bob Macedonio, who is

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Speaker 2: as Ellrop's lawyer. Ellerp, of course, is Human's wife Nicole Fumbi.

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Speaker 16: Page was set up by Melissa Moore, who is the

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Speaker 16: daughter of the serial killer. The Happy Faced Killer in

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Speaker 16: the late nineties was convicted of killing at least five

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Speaker 16: sex workers in the Midwest. She was sixteen years old

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Speaker 16: when her father was arrested. She reached out immediately to

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Speaker 16: myself and we put her in contact with USA and

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Speaker 16: they have started the GoFundMe page. Like I said, one

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Speaker 16: hundred percent of the proceeds from that goal funding goes

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Speaker 16: to HASSE.

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Speaker 2: So what do the victims, the Long Island serial killer

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Speaker 2: victims family have to say about to go fumme being

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Speaker 2: set up for the alleged killer's family. Take a list

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Speaker 2: to our cut one eight two, pickx eleven.

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Speaker 9: The sister of Shannon Gilbert phoned in to say she

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Speaker 9: was upset Youwerman's family has already received thousands me and.

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Speaker 13: A lot of the victims families just really gets disgusting

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Speaker 13: because we were never given that much support when our

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Speaker 13: loved ones want missing.

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Speaker 9: John Ray said rex Huwerman should not have a court

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Speaker 9: appointed lawyer.

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Speaker 12: Mister Huerman and missus Ewerman have plenty of assets. They

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Speaker 12: have assets in several states.

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Speaker 9: Now we should point out that Rex Huerman has pleaded

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Speaker 9: not guilty to three murders in cases where the victims

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Speaker 9: were intact.

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Speaker 2: To Kristen Thorn joining us WABC Channel seven investigative reporter,

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Speaker 2: what do you make of victims families now speaking out

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Speaker 2: about the suspects family getting thousands of dollars when nobody

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Speaker 2: cared when they're loved ones were literally slaughtered.

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Speaker 10: Nancy, I can certainly understand the frustration. I think. Look,

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Speaker 10: gofund me is a new platform. It wasn't around when

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Speaker 10: the other victims disappeared. I can understand how frustrating this

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Speaker 10: must be for them.

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Speaker 5: Nancy.

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Speaker 10: I looked at the GoFundMe pag this morning because I'm

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Speaker 10: trying to think who is donating to her. So it's

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Speaker 10: raised more than fifty one thousand dollars as of this moment,

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Speaker 10: And when you scroll through the comment, mind you there

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Speaker 10: are thirteen hundred people who have donated. Most of these

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Speaker 10: donations are very small, ten twenty twenty five dollars, sometimes

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Speaker 10: five dollars. People are donating multiple times. Obviously these are

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Speaker 10: people that don't know her, but people are saying, you know,

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Speaker 10: my heart hurts for this family.

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Speaker 11: Asa is strong.

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Speaker 10: We just wanted to say, there's a lot of us

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Speaker 10: who understand you're a victim too many many people care

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Speaker 10: about you. To me, I think this speaks more broadly,

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Speaker 10: and I just find it very interesting that people who

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Speaker 10: have no relation to her, know nothing about anything, are

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Speaker 10: taking money, they're hard earned money and giving it to her.

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Speaker 10: I find the whole thing. I would love to talk

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Speaker 10: to the psychology behind that.

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Speaker 2: BANARDA Vielona joining us high profile lawyer out of New York,

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Speaker 2: mss Elera immediately filed for divorce from Hureman. Does that

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Speaker 2: mean Hureman cannot access that fifty thousand dollars off to

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Speaker 2: go fundme for his defense.

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Speaker 11: No, he's not.

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Speaker 13: Going to to be able to access that money because

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Speaker 13: either way that money has been earmarked for the wife,

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Speaker 13: well for the formal wife of mister Huerman, so it

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Speaker 13: won't be accessible to him. Also, just to note that

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Speaker 13: that in terms of the divorce itself is very interesting

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Speaker 13: because she's going to be able to testify a trial

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Speaker 13: against him because there will be no longer wife and

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Speaker 13: husband privilege there.

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Speaker 2: Now another bombshell has developed as it relates to Huerman's wife,

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Speaker 2: now ex wife take als our cut one eight one

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Speaker 2: picks eleven.

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Speaker 9: Attorney John Ray, who represents the estates of Shannon Gilbert

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Speaker 9: and Jessica Taylor, then dropped a bombshell claiming a witness

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Speaker 9: told him sex workers went to the Roman basement.

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Speaker 12: Missus Ellrop was present in this tiny little home when

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Speaker 12: that occurred. I have a witness first had knowledge of that.

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Speaker 12: The witness refuses to come forward, So the Elerap family

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Speaker 12: comes forward and says, help us, give us money. What

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Speaker 12: about the victims who were chopped up?

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Speaker 2: Okay, Cheryl McCollum, that's a whole another can of worms.

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Speaker 2: We've been told that the wife and children were not there.

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Speaker 2: Now there's an eyewitness stating they were on at least

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Speaker 2: one occasion.

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Speaker 8: Well again, Nancy, the only thing that really jumped out

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Speaker 8: at me early on is how fast she processed this

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Speaker 8: information and move to divorce.

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Speaker 5: You have a lot of people that when they're.

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Speaker 8: Given any type of traumatic information. First they deny it,

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Speaker 8: then they get where they just can't really even process

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Speaker 8: the reality of it before they get angry enough to

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Speaker 8: move to divorce. She did this in days, so she

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Speaker 8: had to have some information that this was believable, and

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Speaker 8: she accepted it within days. That doesn't mean she has

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Speaker 8: any culpability, that doesn't mean she was an accessory. But

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Speaker 8: she absolutely believed the you know, the pornography searches, that

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Speaker 8: he was able to kill somebody, that he was able

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Speaker 8: to dispose of that person by her actions.

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Speaker 11: You know, Nancy, He may have already convinced his wife

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Speaker 11: that it was okay to bring sex Workerson into the house,

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Speaker 11: that there was something inferior about her. Maybe he told

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Speaker 11: her you're short, your fat, you're dumb, fee, I'm not

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Speaker 11: attracted to you. I'm attracted to these other women, and

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Speaker 11: she went along with it, as amused women always do.

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Speaker 11: So Cheryl McCollum is right. By the time all this

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Speaker 11: news comes out, everything that has been sort of at

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Speaker 11: the tip of her conscious consciousness all of a sudden

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Speaker 11: gets pulled together amalgamated in such a way that she says,

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Speaker 11: oh my god, maybe he is a serial killer, but

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Speaker 11: you know that go fundb Paige. It also tells me

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Speaker 11: that the children of Rex Hureman still feel their dad

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Speaker 11: might be innocent. They are not yet ready to accept this,

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Speaker 11: and they feel that he's being victimized rather than the

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Speaker 11: fact that he has victimized other people. So he may

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Speaker 11: have had a very dominating relationship with the wife, brought

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Speaker 11: sex workers in right under her nose, taunted her about it,

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Speaker 11: but maybe he adored and idealized the children, so they

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Speaker 11: have a different relationship.

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Speaker 2: If you have or think you have information regarding either

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Speaker 2: Long Island, Vegas, South Carolina, anything connected to the Long

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Speaker 2: Island Cereal case and or Rex Huerman, please dial toll

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Speaker 2: free one eight hundred, call FBI one eight hundred, two

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Speaker 2: two five five three two four.

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Speaker 4: Goodbye friend,