1 00:00:04,360 --> 00:00:09,000 Speaker 1: The Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on Home 2 00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: of the Black and Gold Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome to 3 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:20,599 Speaker 1: the Drive. I'm Dale Lolly here with Matt Williamson and boy, 4 00:00:20,800 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: not much going on in Steeler Land, and there's much 5 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:28,640 Speaker 1: to discuss, yes, much to talk about. I'm sitting on 6 00:00:28,680 --> 00:00:32,599 Speaker 1: my uh on my couch yesterday, get back yesterday. Mind 7 00:00:32,600 --> 00:00:34,880 Speaker 1: had just gotten off the phone with Todd Haley. Okay, 8 00:00:35,000 --> 00:00:37,080 Speaker 1: it just hung the phone up with Todd Haley talking 9 00:00:37,080 --> 00:00:39,960 Speaker 1: to him about Ben Roethlisberger. That makes perfect getting ready 10 00:00:40,000 --> 00:00:45,760 Speaker 1: for the Roethlisberger retirement, Okay, lo and behold, Roethlisberger retires. 11 00:00:45,920 --> 00:00:48,240 Speaker 1: Like if it had happened five minutes earlier, I could 12 00:00:48,240 --> 00:00:51,640 Speaker 1: have gotten the immediate reaction from Haley and you were 13 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,360 Speaker 1: preparing for the day, you know, I had had I 14 00:00:54,400 --> 00:00:57,920 Speaker 1: had like the basis of a story written. But I'm like, 15 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:00,600 Speaker 1: I need some more stuff from some buty who worked 16 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:03,320 Speaker 1: closely with I'm gonna give Taught a shot here. And 17 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:05,400 Speaker 1: so I call, you know, being going back and forth 18 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: with Haley for a couple of days, and he says, hey, 19 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:09,480 Speaker 1: can we talk At nine forty this morning. It was 20 00:01:09,520 --> 00:01:14,280 Speaker 1: a very specific time at ten o'clock, the news. The 21 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:17,240 Speaker 1: news came up. That's when the the the announcement was 22 00:01:17,720 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: released on Twitter by Roethlisberger's Twitter account. Like I had 23 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:26,039 Speaker 1: literally just hung up the film with Todd coordinator. Side 24 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: note not to go down this this alley too much, 25 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: but in a seven year old flag football game, I 26 00:01:32,040 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: o coach Todd Hailey for the victory. Just let you 27 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,319 Speaker 1: know about that. Just goes to show you it's about 28 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:40,039 Speaker 1: the Jimmy's and Joe's not the X and a pretty 29 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:42,200 Speaker 1: good scheme. Man. I read a nice cover three that 30 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:45,360 Speaker 1: was hard to be but that's pretty cool with it. 31 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:47,160 Speaker 1: What what what do you say? I'm sure he was. He was, 32 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:50,840 Speaker 1: you know he was. He talked about what he's. The 33 00:01:50,840 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: thing is stuck out the most. He said, you know, 34 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: he had all the attributes that you look for. He 35 00:01:55,480 --> 00:01:57,600 Speaker 1: was you know, he could throw, he was big, all 36 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: that stuff. But he was weather proof. That's a great pot. 37 00:02:00,600 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 1: I always called him mother. Yeah, he said, Ben was 38 00:02:02,760 --> 00:02:07,640 Speaker 1: weather proof. It didn't matter what the weather was like, rains, snow, wind, 39 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: it was perfect. He was a perfect fit for an 40 00:02:10,320 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: an f C North team. It really is. That's a 41 00:02:12,240 --> 00:02:14,480 Speaker 1: great point to people overlook a lot you know, like 42 00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: for example, like we were looking for a kicker when 43 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: I was with the Browns. We don't want one from 44 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,320 Speaker 1: San Jose State, right, you know what I mean, like Florida. Yeah, 45 00:02:22,560 --> 00:02:24,919 Speaker 1: maybe you're fine the weather, but you don't know, I 46 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:26,359 Speaker 1: mean the fact that he was from this area of 47 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 1: the country. But even probably more importantly, he must have 48 00:02:29,639 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 1: worked on it, you know. I mean a lot of 49 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,640 Speaker 1: these guys don't or you know, practice with wet ball 50 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,680 Speaker 1: or playing the snow. And he also had the physical 51 00:02:36,720 --> 00:02:39,360 Speaker 1: attributes to just be big and strong. It was one 52 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:41,360 Speaker 1: of the things that you know what the Browns talked 53 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:43,720 Speaker 1: about a lot before they drafted Baker Mayfield, who had 54 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: the smallest hands in that draft. Well, we want to 55 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: we want the guy and you know, big hands that 56 00:02:48,520 --> 00:02:52,320 Speaker 1: can hit to drive the football and you know, bad weather. 57 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,560 Speaker 1: They went out drafted one who couldn't. It was six 58 00:02:55,600 --> 00:02:57,680 Speaker 1: foot and he doesn't see real well and it's not 59 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: physically overwhelming, you know, right. I'm not bashing Drew Brees 60 00:03:02,560 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: at all, but I guarantee you Ben's numbers and Drew 61 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,880 Speaker 1: brees numbers would be a little different. If they flip 62 00:03:08,919 --> 00:03:10,919 Speaker 1: flop t There's there's not a doubt in my mind. 63 00:03:10,960 --> 00:03:15,160 Speaker 1: I mean, Breeze would not. Breeze was not the strongest 64 00:03:15,280 --> 00:03:17,600 Speaker 1: arm quarterback to begin with. He was perfect for the 65 00:03:17,639 --> 00:03:20,400 Speaker 1: Dome and for the NFC is out. I'm perfect. Yeah. 66 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,040 Speaker 1: Of course, Here on Steelers Nation Radio, we've got seven 67 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:26,680 Speaker 1: days of seven. You can listen to a bunch of 68 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:31,600 Speaker 1: Ben Roethlisberger's greatest games here on these very airwaves. This morning, 69 00:03:31,600 --> 00:03:34,600 Speaker 1: they played his first career start against the Dolphins, being 70 00:03:34,760 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: uh at seven am this morning. That was October three, 71 00:03:38,720 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 1: two thousand and four. That's a long time ago, of course. 72 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 1: And later on after our show tonight, you can hear 73 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 1: the the game against the Patriots on October thirty first, 74 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:50,560 Speaker 1: two thousand and four. They beat the Patriots in that 75 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: game ended New England. I think it was a twenty 76 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:56,760 Speaker 1: one game winning stream. Yeah right Halloween, right yeah, Uh. 77 00:03:56,800 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: Tomorrow at seven am you can listen to the game 78 00:03:59,160 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: against the Colts on January fifteen, two thousand and six, 79 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:04,800 Speaker 1: that of course, being the game with the big tackle 80 00:04:05,280 --> 00:04:07,280 Speaker 1: uh that he made. They beat the Colts in the 81 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:09,720 Speaker 1: divisional round. It's funny you bring that game up. We'll 82 00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:12,320 Speaker 1: get back to these in a minute. But Stan Saburn 83 00:04:12,360 --> 00:04:14,160 Speaker 1: asked me today on the air. He said, if Ben 84 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,280 Speaker 1: doesn't make that tackle, does Bill Coward getting the Hall 85 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:20,440 Speaker 1: of Fame? Like, I don't think. I don't think so. 86 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:22,120 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you can do that with a lot 87 00:04:22,120 --> 00:04:24,840 Speaker 1: of different games and anything. Bettest might not either. Yeah, right, 88 00:04:24,960 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: I mean they Ben does, but I don't think the 89 00:04:27,520 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: others do. Right, that's a big deal. Is kind of 90 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: a big deal. As was the game the following week. Uh, 91 00:04:33,480 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: that would be January twenty second, two thousand and six. 92 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 1: That was the a f C Championship game against the Broncos. 93 00:04:40,040 --> 00:04:43,560 Speaker 1: He was outstanding him those two games. People forget about that. 94 00:04:43,600 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: They look at his production in the Super Bowl that you're, well, 95 00:04:46,440 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: he was just a caretaker. They don't get there. Yeah, 96 00:04:49,920 --> 00:04:51,279 Speaker 1: I think I looked at it. He had like seven 97 00:04:51,320 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: touchdowns and one interception in the playoffs that you're leading 98 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:58,040 Speaker 1: up leading up to the super Bowl. Yeah, he was outstanding. 99 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:00,680 Speaker 1: That makes me crazy about that was Oh he was 100 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 1: just kind of hanging on and he wouldn't didn't have 101 00:05:02,720 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 1: much to do with the Super Bowl run Like, are 102 00:05:04,640 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 1: you crazy? Yeah, I mean he was those teams through 103 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 1: to run. Yeah, they threw early to run late. Again, 104 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: all respect that Brady. I'm not picking on him. Early 105 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:18,839 Speaker 1: Brady super bowls were not you know, at all, and 106 00:05:20,040 --> 00:05:22,919 Speaker 1: Ben's were more driven by the quarterback than the Patriots. 107 00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 1: On Brady. Brady gets actually gets credit for beating the 108 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:31,159 Speaker 1: Steelers in two thousand one. For example, they were losing 109 00:05:31,200 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: that game until Drew Brady got hurt and Drew Bledsoe 110 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:38,560 Speaker 1: came in right, right, right, right right. You know that 111 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 1: the Patriots probably right, but the Patriots probably lose that 112 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:47,440 Speaker 1: game if Brady finishes it. A good point I thought 113 00:05:47,440 --> 00:05:49,680 Speaker 1: about that way, but you're probably the Steelers, and the 114 00:05:49,680 --> 00:05:52,719 Speaker 1: Steelers go to the Super Bowl, uh Sunday that that 115 00:05:52,800 --> 00:05:55,640 Speaker 1: Broncos games at seven o'clock Sunday, you got the Super 116 00:05:55,640 --> 00:06:00,719 Speaker 1: Bowl against the uh the Seahawks at seven am. Then 117 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: at seven pm on Sunday you get the Chargers game 118 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:08,240 Speaker 1: from one eleven. It would be January eleven, two thousand 119 00:06:08,320 --> 00:06:12,080 Speaker 1: and nine. Um, that was a big matchup against a 120 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:16,360 Speaker 1: breeze I'm sorry, Rivers, Rivers and the roths Chargers teams. 121 00:06:17,240 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: Yeah that like Tomlinson, Vincent Jackson that you're yeah, that's 122 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:25,679 Speaker 1: before the Steelers. That was our playoff game that pushed 123 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:28,400 Speaker 1: them into the super Bowl. Uh that's in two o 124 00:06:28,560 --> 00:06:32,440 Speaker 1: eight playoffs. Uh. Then you get the Ravens game, uh 125 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,800 Speaker 1: Monday at seven am in those very same playoffs the 126 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: following week. Um, just a knockdown, drag out brawl, typical yeah, North, 127 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:45,479 Speaker 1: you know, I mean those were probably the two best 128 00:06:45,480 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: teams in the league that year, Steelers Ravens. Yeah, yeah, 129 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:52,640 Speaker 1: I remember. I wrote that game up just of you 130 00:06:52,640 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: know that that statue I did of Steeler Ravens memories, 131 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:57,440 Speaker 1: and that was one of the ones I picked, And 132 00:06:57,440 --> 00:07:00,720 Speaker 1: it was like, these two were powerhouse that if you 133 00:07:00,760 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 1: want to epitomize or if somebody has never seen Steelers 134 00:07:05,960 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: Ravens um and wondered knowing what the rivalry was, he 135 00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 1: pop on that game. Just watch this. Yeah again, it's 136 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:19,720 Speaker 1: like they're playing a different game than what you play. Honestly, 137 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: it was kind of like Bill's Chiefs Sunday Night. And 138 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 1: that was the level of talent and difference from the 139 00:07:25,080 --> 00:07:27,360 Speaker 1: rest of the league the people were watching in that game. 140 00:07:27,640 --> 00:07:29,920 Speaker 1: Two notes there too. I mentioned the radio hit I 141 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:32,120 Speaker 1: did a stand today. He brought me in with the 142 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 1: play Chris Collinsworth called with sugs hanging all over him 143 00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:39,560 Speaker 1: and makes this crazy throw like Mahomes before Mahomes and 144 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: Alan before Alan. You know, like he was ahead of 145 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 1: his time. And this dude, Brian Smith texted me this 146 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:47,520 Speaker 1: and I didn't realize that. Maybe you did, but I 147 00:07:47,600 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: want to make sure our listeners did that. In Ben's career, 148 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,480 Speaker 1: he's nineteen and ten against the Ravens. But I brought 149 00:07:55,480 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: that up two weeks ago when they beat the Ravens. 150 00:07:57,920 --> 00:08:00,400 Speaker 1: I mean they were equal teams, give orte, and he 151 00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: won two out of three against the Ravens in his career. 152 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: That to me is better than what he did against 153 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: the Browns. It's better than what his record against the 154 00:08:08,520 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 1: I mean they owned the Browns, he owned the Bengals. 155 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: But to go two out of three against that team 156 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:15,680 Speaker 1: and you know, no offense in the other folks, but 157 00:08:15,720 --> 00:08:17,960 Speaker 1: they only won one out of nine tries without them. 158 00:08:18,000 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: You know, we see the de dominator here, Yeah, for sure. 159 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:26,520 Speaker 1: Um then of course at the seven pm on Monday, 160 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 1: you get the Super Bowl game against the Cardinals. We 161 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 1: all know how that one went on. Pretty good, kind 162 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 1: of pretty big, kind of a big ending. Uh for 163 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: should have been the m v P of that game, 164 00:08:36,360 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 1: in my opinion, I was not. I did not have 165 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:40,680 Speaker 1: a vote, and that even though they did the vote 166 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: at that time in the in the press box, Uh, Tuesday, 167 00:08:44,920 --> 00:08:47,400 Speaker 1: we get the seven am the game against the Packers 168 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 1: on December twentieth, two thousand nine. That was Roethlisberger hitting 169 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: uh Mike Wallace at the end of the game. That 170 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,480 Speaker 1: was I think it was a thirty nine thirty eight 171 00:08:56,520 --> 00:09:00,719 Speaker 1: game at Hines Fields versus Rogers. They didn't tangle to 172 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: the last one that had the ball on it, and yeah, 173 00:09:02,559 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: on the last one that had the ball. Kind of 174 00:09:04,280 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 1: sounds like Alan Mahomes, you know, like a little bit 175 00:09:06,200 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: yeah right right crazy. Uh. Then at seven pm on Tuesday, 176 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:14,080 Speaker 1: you get a October twenty six, two thousand and fourteen 177 00:09:14,120 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 1: game against the Colts, if I remember that correctly, that 178 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:19,480 Speaker 1: was he had like five touchdown passes. And I remember 179 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,240 Speaker 1: I was at ESPN at the time that that weekend 180 00:09:22,760 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: and I was I think it was a Sunday night games. 181 00:09:24,520 --> 00:09:27,520 Speaker 1: That sounds familiar, Yeah, okay, Because I was down at 182 00:09:27,559 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: the bar, there was something wrong with my TV in 183 00:09:29,120 --> 00:09:30,679 Speaker 1: my room and so I had to use the bar 184 00:09:30,760 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 1: and well I had to have to have a beverage 185 00:09:32,520 --> 00:09:35,320 Speaker 1: or two. Keyshawn Johnson sitting next to me, and we 186 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:37,400 Speaker 1: both worked for ESPN, but I didn't know me, He 187 00:09:37,440 --> 00:09:39,959 Speaker 1: didn't know me, and he's cheering for the Steelers because 188 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: these buddies with Haley and we were just like became 189 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: but good buds. You know it's been there another one. 190 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,000 Speaker 1: It was crazy. I barely do the guy. It might 191 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:50,880 Speaker 1: have been the two best games, individual games of his 192 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 1: career because Wednesday morning you'll get to hear the next game, 193 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 1: which was the following week against the Ravens. I think 194 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: he had six touchdown passes and the alt in two 195 00:10:00,840 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: games with no interceptions. Yeah, yeah, I do remember that stretch. 196 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:09,120 Speaker 1: Yeah that's at seven. Yeah, that will be at seven 197 00:10:09,120 --> 00:10:14,560 Speaker 1: am Wednesday. At seven pm Wednesday, you get December two, 198 00:10:14,559 --> 00:10:20,640 Speaker 1: thousand sixteen against the Ravens, that being the Immaculate Extension Game. Okay, Christmas, 199 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:23,599 Speaker 1: Christmas Day, the Steelers wrap up the division title, a 200 00:10:23,640 --> 00:10:26,599 Speaker 1: Halloween game, a Christmas game here on Yeah I'm a 201 00:10:26,640 --> 00:10:29,439 Speaker 1: little bit. And then Thursday, to finish off the seven 202 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:33,440 Speaker 1: Days of seven here on Steelers Nation Radio, you get 203 00:10:33,559 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: a well the game from earlier this year against the Browns, 204 00:10:38,480 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 1: and that would be January three, two. That was the 205 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:44,640 Speaker 1: final home game for Ben Roethlis Monday. Ever, remember that one, 206 00:10:44,679 --> 00:10:47,080 Speaker 1: and then at seven pm on Thursday, you get the 207 00:10:47,120 --> 00:10:50,920 Speaker 1: final regular season game that would be against the Ravens 208 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: January nine. I hadn't looked at any of these dates. 209 00:10:56,679 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: Brian la Martinez just to pull back the curtains, sent 210 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 1: these to me last night. I had no idea what 211 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,679 Speaker 1: the dates were, what games are gonna show, and yet 212 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:09,240 Speaker 1: we knew exactly what they were. Right, they're gonna pick 213 00:11:09,280 --> 00:11:12,040 Speaker 1: the good ones. But yeah, still, I mean that's like, oh, 214 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:13,840 Speaker 1: I remember that some of those like you look at 215 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 1: him like I'm sitting here and looking Okay, what's this 216 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:17,880 Speaker 1: Chargers game? Okay, oh that was this game? You know? 217 00:11:17,920 --> 00:11:22,440 Speaker 1: And yeah, that's interesting. I mean so many unbelievable memorable 218 00:11:22,480 --> 00:11:25,640 Speaker 1: moments over his career that frankly I've taken for granted 219 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: over the last couple of years to like, I forget 220 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:29,720 Speaker 1: a lot of those things and kind of living the 221 00:11:29,760 --> 00:11:32,640 Speaker 1: moment as opposed to week after week watching him do that. 222 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,640 Speaker 1: And the third time I've referenced to stand call today, 223 00:11:35,679 --> 00:11:37,480 Speaker 1: but you know, he asked me, He's like, you know 224 00:11:37,480 --> 00:11:39,320 Speaker 1: what really makes Ben great? And it goes back to 225 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:41,959 Speaker 1: like that Muder conversation you had is and to me 226 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: there's a lot, not a lot, but I mean he 227 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: was a special physical specimen and that's not uncommon that 228 00:11:50,080 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: you know, a guy that, wow, look at him, comes 229 00:11:51,920 --> 00:11:55,080 Speaker 1: in the league, Cam Newton or whoever. But the competitiveness 230 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:58,079 Speaker 1: matched with that equals hall of fame, you know what 231 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:01,120 Speaker 1: I mean? Even at that, like Hayley said, the competitiveness 232 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 1: so it didn't matter what you were doing beyond the 233 00:12:04,040 --> 00:12:06,839 Speaker 1: golf course could be you know, he said, they used 234 00:12:06,840 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: to and I didn't know this. The coaches at training 235 00:12:10,400 --> 00:12:12,760 Speaker 1: camp up at St. Vincent College have a dart tournament 236 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:18,920 Speaker 1: every year and he would come in. Uh if some 237 00:12:18,960 --> 00:12:20,760 Speaker 1: of the veteran players could come in and play in 238 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 1: the dark tournament, he said. You know, a couple of 239 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: times it came down to me and Ben at the 240 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:26,960 Speaker 1: in the finals and he said he need like a 241 00:12:27,040 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: bulls eye and a triple sixteen or something. He'd hit 242 00:12:29,679 --> 00:12:35,000 Speaker 1: the bulls on fourth quarter with twelve seconds on the clock. Ben, 243 00:12:35,360 --> 00:12:38,480 Speaker 1: Ben's got the dart, he said, just he said, you know, 244 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:41,320 Speaker 1: it's it's you know he how did he put it? 245 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:44,560 Speaker 1: He said, he thrives And he said, this is not 246 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,800 Speaker 1: a knock on him at all, but he thrives in chaos, yeah, right, 247 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:51,880 Speaker 1: right right, and other other quarter you know, other players 248 00:12:51,880 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 1: they you know, the more chaotic, the more crazy, the 249 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: more pressure in the situation, the better he got. It's 250 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,120 Speaker 1: a rare quality. I mean that that just truly is. 251 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:03,599 Speaker 1: And we even saw it this year. I mean, he 252 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,079 Speaker 1: was clearly his best even though it was games on 253 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,559 Speaker 1: the line fourth I'm gonna, I mean, what do you 254 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:13,000 Speaker 1: had nine game winning drives or something that he had six? 255 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,880 Speaker 1: You know, I mean, even while his body was failing 256 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: him or not what it once was, still summoned his 257 00:13:21,559 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: best game or his best play when it mattered most. 258 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:27,719 Speaker 1: And speaking of Ben's body, has anyone gotten more out 259 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 1: of their body than that guy? You know? Did you 260 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: see it on the line? Did you see what Tom 261 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: Brady tweeted out? Yes, no, I didn't. He tweeted out something. 262 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:37,240 Speaker 1: It was Ben Roethlisberger didn't go by the I'm gonna, 263 00:13:37,280 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 1: I'm gonna get call it up here real quick, um, 264 00:13:40,480 --> 00:13:43,479 Speaker 1: but it was. It was. It was actually pretty pretty funny. 265 00:13:43,760 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 1: Um that Roethlisberger didn't. Okay here it has Ben defied 266 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 1: the TB twelve method in favor of the throw some 267 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:54,480 Speaker 1: ice on it method his whole career and ended up 268 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 1: and all time great with six Pro Bowls, two Super Bowls. 269 00:13:57,720 --> 00:14:00,160 Speaker 1: There's more than one way to bake a cake that 270 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,240 Speaker 1: is good. It does feel like he was the rub 271 00:14:03,360 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 1: some dirt on and get back out there kind of guy, 272 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 1: or you know, throw and throw ice on your knee 273 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,680 Speaker 1: and practice and you'll be fine and let's go do 274 00:14:09,760 --> 00:14:15,000 Speaker 1: this thing. Yeah. Um, that's maybe the ultimate complimentary like 275 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,640 Speaker 1: for that question. And there are i mean, this will 276 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: lead us to you know, the dealer's next quarterback and 277 00:14:21,080 --> 00:14:23,600 Speaker 1: all those conversations that are becoming all weekend or all 278 00:14:23,800 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: all off season. But there's a lot of ways to 279 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: be great. I mean, there's a lot of ways to 280 00:14:27,520 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: bake that cake. And Ben and Brady aren't similar, and 281 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: I forget that's who has had the conversation with Ben 282 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 1: this week and he was talking and he's like, someone 283 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:40,960 Speaker 1: asked me, give me some other physically similar players to 284 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:44,160 Speaker 1: Ben in history and how he compares, and I mean, 285 00:14:44,440 --> 00:14:46,280 Speaker 1: he's screwed on me. And I think with Tim Ben's 286 00:14:46,280 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: actually and I'm like, um, that's a pretty short list. 287 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: First of all, coming up with like Farv and Elway, 288 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:57,640 Speaker 1: you know, like a lot of the Yeah, I thought 289 00:14:57,640 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 1: Elway was about as good as you get, and I 290 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: brought up Josh Island as a modern comparison, but like 291 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:06,240 Speaker 1: it's there's a lot more Brady styles, you Knowing was 292 00:15:06,320 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 1: like that Rivers stand in that kind of stuff and 293 00:15:10,280 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 1: Ben that's even more desired now than it was when 294 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 1: he was drafted, which was light years ago. I mean, 295 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 1: I mean he's custom made for this NFL. Yeah, go 296 00:15:19,080 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: back and look at some of those games we just mentioned. 297 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:23,600 Speaker 1: If you haven't been around long enough to see them more, 298 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: have you've kind of forgotten about some of those games. 299 00:15:25,840 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: I've forgotten their clips of them on on you know, 300 00:15:28,320 --> 00:15:32,040 Speaker 1: YouTube and places like that. Um, watch how he moves around. Yeah, 301 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 1: watch watch how he shakes guys off and lengthen the 302 00:15:35,200 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: movement skills and the balance and the ability to not 303 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: have to reset to throw you know those type of things. 304 00:15:42,080 --> 00:15:45,640 Speaker 1: I mean, any quarterback can sit, step into a ball, 305 00:15:45,960 --> 00:15:48,800 Speaker 1: throw a deep ball, you know, but when your feet 306 00:15:48,800 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 1: aren't right and you know people are hanging off you, 307 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:53,480 Speaker 1: I mean, there was nobody better some of the stuff 308 00:15:53,480 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: that Mahomes now gets credit for him. So it's amazing. Yeah, 309 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:59,760 Speaker 1: Roethlisberger used to do all the time too. Absolutely absolutely 310 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:03,800 Speaker 1: off balance throws, side arms, you know, across the field, 311 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:06,200 Speaker 1: things that you're not supposed to do, right, and that 312 00:16:06,280 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: we did him before. I mean, these aren't new things. 313 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: I mean every time you see it, it's still draw 314 00:16:10,560 --> 00:16:14,880 Speaker 1: dropping no matter who does it. His physicality is as 315 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: good as anyone's in the league that I've ever seen. Now, 316 00:16:18,240 --> 00:16:20,200 Speaker 1: we have to talk a little bit about the other 317 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: thing that happened more news today. Art Rooney the second 318 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,480 Speaker 1: speaking to the media today. I took part in that, 319 00:16:28,200 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: and he announced that, in fact, it is true Kevin 320 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: Colbert has informed them that they he will step down 321 00:16:34,720 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 1: at the conclusion of this year's draft. Not a shock. 322 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: I mean there's been rumors out there and all that, 323 00:16:39,400 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: and he's um moving on with his life's work, I guess, 324 00:16:43,600 --> 00:16:47,040 Speaker 1: And well he wants to stay on an advisory type 325 00:16:47,120 --> 00:16:50,400 Speaker 1: role or whatever it may be. Uh, probably much like 326 00:16:50,440 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: Bill Nunn did after he Bill not actually retired, he 327 00:16:56,280 --> 00:16:58,920 Speaker 1: stayed around and was when was involved in the draft 328 00:16:58,960 --> 00:17:02,720 Speaker 1: for another seventeen years after that. There's an advisor come 329 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:04,440 Speaker 1: in and watch tape with the guys, and you know, 330 00:17:04,520 --> 00:17:08,040 Speaker 1: he just wasn't running around on the road anymore. Yeah, 331 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:10,880 Speaker 1: I mean being a scout to bet on the road 332 00:17:10,920 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: gets old. I mean it certainly does. I can imagine, 333 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:16,760 Speaker 1: and Kevin travels more, from what I've been undersstood, than 334 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 1: most gms. I don't think he's just sitting in his 335 00:17:18,760 --> 00:17:22,280 Speaker 1: office watching tape or reading other people, taking everybody else's 336 00:17:22,280 --> 00:17:24,520 Speaker 1: scouting reports and filing it now. But I think he 337 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:26,439 Speaker 1: does a lot of traveling, a lot of this still, 338 00:17:26,600 --> 00:17:29,640 Speaker 1: you know, the grind of the scouting world. With all 339 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:32,320 Speaker 1: respect to Ben, I'm not trying to make this a 340 00:17:32,320 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 1: hot take or anything. I think Kevin's as good as 341 00:17:34,480 --> 00:17:37,240 Speaker 1: his job as Ben wasn't his. I really think they're 342 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:42,800 Speaker 1: really do. I remember a couple of combines Ago um 343 00:17:42,920 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: be Hunt sat down with us and called him a 344 00:17:45,080 --> 00:17:46,800 Speaker 1: Hall of Famer, and I went a double hook and 345 00:17:47,000 --> 00:17:49,200 Speaker 1: looked at him. I'm like, really, I mean, you don't 346 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,400 Speaker 1: have to kiss up what I was thinking to myself, 347 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: And then I'm like, oh, yeah, he is. You know, 348 00:17:54,600 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: you don't think of GM's in that light very often. 349 00:17:56,920 --> 00:18:00,160 Speaker 1: The body of work is unbelievable. Yeah, it's uh, three 350 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: super Bowls, two wins, six conference championship games. Uh, the 351 00:18:05,280 --> 00:18:08,879 Speaker 1: second best record over over his tenure only to the 352 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:14,440 Speaker 1: to the team up in New England. Um, yeah, yeah, exactly. 353 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:17,520 Speaker 1: Or just look draft after draft after draft. And I 354 00:18:17,560 --> 00:18:19,359 Speaker 1: haven't done this in a couple of years, but it 355 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:22,680 Speaker 1: was two years ago where I figured out every year 356 00:18:22,720 --> 00:18:25,199 Speaker 1: that he was in charge of the draft, if you 357 00:18:25,320 --> 00:18:29,560 Speaker 1: averaged out what there was, and I assume it's still 358 00:18:29,680 --> 00:18:32,359 Speaker 1: right around there. It hasn't moved dramatically. No, it hasn't 359 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: moved dramatically. I mean they're not picking one or thirty 360 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: two in the last year, you know, so you think 361 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: about that though, I mean average draft, you're picking four overall. 362 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:43,760 Speaker 1: I mean that's we always talk about the first half 363 00:18:43,800 --> 00:18:46,000 Speaker 1: of the draft is where the Blue Chippers go. There's 364 00:18:46,040 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 1: never thirty two of them. There were never twenty four 365 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:51,520 Speaker 1: of them. You're always picking outside the no brainer zone. 366 00:18:51,640 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: He said one top ten pick in his tenure that 367 00:18:54,600 --> 00:18:58,480 Speaker 1: he earned, including hedin't even earned it. You're talking about 368 00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:01,960 Speaker 1: other than Bush. Yeah, he moved up. Okay, they moved 369 00:19:02,040 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 1: up for Bush. I mean he came into two thousand 370 00:19:04,040 --> 00:19:07,560 Speaker 1: and they drafted Plexico Burst. But that wasn't his he was. 371 00:19:08,119 --> 00:19:10,400 Speaker 1: He was taking over for Tom Donna. Who there They've 372 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 1: they've not drafted in the top ten, earned and earned 373 00:19:13,240 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: it in the entire Ken tenure. Yeah, that's what I 374 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: meant by the twenty four is where you earned, not 375 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 1: where you actually make the selection. If you trade up 376 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:25,239 Speaker 1: for Troy, that doesn't change the math there. You were right, right, 377 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: Like what did where did you start with? And what'd 378 00:19:27,760 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 1: you do with it? Yeah, it's an amazing track record. 379 00:19:30,200 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: I mean, I've as much respect for Kevin Colbert as 380 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 1: anyone I've met in the organization. Yeah. It just has 381 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:38,720 Speaker 1: done a great job over the years, and uh deserves 382 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:40,520 Speaker 1: to to take a step back and spent some time 383 00:19:40,520 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: with the family. Sixty five years old, he's got grandchildren, 384 00:19:43,240 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: you know, like, all right, you've you've earned it, You've 385 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: absolutely done the job. Doesn't sound like he's a step 386 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,160 Speaker 1: totally away. There still be floating around. You mentioned Brandon Hunt. Uh, 387 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:56,800 Speaker 1: he's already been interviewed for the position, as as Omar Kahn. Um. There, 388 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: of course, the in house candidates need to take that job, 389 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,320 Speaker 1: uh Art Rooney saying that they look at some outside 390 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:07,719 Speaker 1: people as well. Um, but the thing is, this is 391 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 1: not a GM job like some of these other positions 392 00:20:11,600 --> 00:20:15,359 Speaker 1: that are being filled around the league. No, it's very different. Uh, 393 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 1: they art said that they're probably not gonna hire somebody. 394 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: They'll do all the interviews and stuff, but they probably 395 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,959 Speaker 1: won't hire somebody until after the draft. For people don't know, 396 00:20:24,119 --> 00:20:28,160 Speaker 1: I mean scouts and general managers, contracts go draft to draft, 397 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: you know, Like I was using this example, I was 398 00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:34,200 Speaker 1: hired today after the Browns uh drafted Winslow, and then 399 00:20:34,240 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: I was fired today after we drafted Braylon Edwards. I mean, 400 00:20:36,600 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 1: that's just how contracts runs. So I'm sure you could 401 00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:43,480 Speaker 1: get somebody out of their contract if you promote him 402 00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: or whatever. But that's that's when people move at that 403 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,240 Speaker 1: position most often, you know, that's the scouting world. That's 404 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,440 Speaker 1: what makes it interesting about the guys who have been 405 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:55,400 Speaker 1: replaced after the season. Like, you're coming in completely right. 406 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: You didn't do any of this previous scouting for that team, 407 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:01,199 Speaker 1: you haven't done any of the roundwork for that. You've 408 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: got basically got what four months to build a build 409 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:07,600 Speaker 1: a draft board for your teeth for this agency is 410 00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:10,360 Speaker 1: sitting soon, And in many of those cases, you're also 411 00:21:10,480 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 1: hiring a head coach. Don't even know what you're looking 412 00:21:12,760 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: for yet, unbelievable And again my experience pales in comparison 413 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 1: to those guys, but I kind of dealt with that too, 414 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,080 Speaker 1: you know. And a new staff came in around this 415 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 1: time of year. And really what I equated to, though, 416 00:21:25,240 --> 00:21:28,840 Speaker 1: is when I went from pitt to Akron, we didn't 417 00:21:28,840 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 1: know anything, and we had to put a recruiting class together, 418 00:21:31,320 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 1: like we were taking tows. We made it fun. We 419 00:21:33,880 --> 00:21:36,720 Speaker 1: took tours of the campus with families, and we all 420 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:39,600 Speaker 1: learned together. It's pretty cool here, you know. And we 421 00:21:39,640 --> 00:21:41,520 Speaker 1: talked football with him behind the scenes and we just 422 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 1: got to know him and trust each other. But we 423 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:45,080 Speaker 1: were learning on the road with them, you know. We 424 00:21:45,119 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: had a couple of weeks to whip together a recruiting 425 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:49,720 Speaker 1: class and it's hard. Yeah, I mean that's why those 426 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: teams that that change gms and coaches. Yeah, that's a 427 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:56,159 Speaker 1: rough go. And you mentioned how this one is so 428 00:21:56,240 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 1: much different than most. I mean, you're not hiring a 429 00:21:59,280 --> 00:22:02,160 Speaker 1: new guy to go start a coaching search for you, 430 00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: or let's change the way we I'm sure they'll use 431 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:07,199 Speaker 1: the same scouting system and they have a lot of 432 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 1: the long time excellent area scouts. They're not gonna tell 433 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: them all to do something different, you know, I mean 434 00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:16,199 Speaker 1: it works. It all traces back to the you know 435 00:22:16,280 --> 00:22:22,000 Speaker 1: when when Bill Nunn and and and Dick Hayley are 436 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:28,800 Speaker 1: you know, Art Rooney, the Young's we're running drafts and they, 437 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 1: I mean they look at things largely the same way. 438 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:34,119 Speaker 1: You know you're looking at looking at things the beauty 439 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: of continuity, right. You know we've had this conversation. I 440 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: think it's weak. You know that your nation will be 441 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 1: criticize the team. You don't go higher from outside enough, 442 00:22:45,280 --> 00:22:47,200 Speaker 1: and you've got to bring in the coordinator with new 443 00:22:47,240 --> 00:22:49,159 Speaker 1: ideas and YadA YadA, and we kind of roll our 444 00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: eyes at that. But I would hope that people realize 445 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,720 Speaker 1: if they promote them within for the scouting front office world, 446 00:22:55,880 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: you should be very very happy. The thing is as 447 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,359 Speaker 1: much as possibly to keep the train on the tracks. 448 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,560 Speaker 1: If you're looking for this out of your outside linebacker position, 449 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 1: look for the exact same traits you know, or character 450 00:23:07,680 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: wise or whatever. I mean, keep doing what you're doing. Yeah, 451 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: I mean it's again the second best record in the 452 00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:18,359 Speaker 1: in the last twenty years. Yeah, that's what you're looking for. 453 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,000 Speaker 1: Here been the three Super Bowls and one too. I 454 00:23:20,000 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 1: know you haven't ever well, they haven't won to you know, 455 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,040 Speaker 1: playoff game in five years, the three playoff wins in 456 00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 1: the last ten years. Sustained success is so hard. Again, 457 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: you're picking at the bottom of the first round every year, right, 458 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,359 Speaker 1: how much salary cap spaces having had a fiddle with 459 00:23:36,480 --> 00:23:40,120 Speaker 1: over the last two decades. Yeah, and you know when 460 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: you when you have teams that go to three Super 461 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:46,399 Speaker 1: Bowls and over the six years, those guys want to 462 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: get paid and so that's when you run into those 463 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:54,880 Speaker 1: salary cap ROMs. I really think people underestimate the lockout 464 00:23:57,440 --> 00:23:59,840 Speaker 1: um much like these last couple of years, and so 465 00:24:00,160 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: kept didn't go up those years. In fact, in even 466 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: the cap actually went down. And that's you know the Steelers, 467 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:11,879 Speaker 1: that's that's you know from twelve, that's when you had 468 00:24:11,920 --> 00:24:15,280 Speaker 1: to make decisions about well, I got asked James Harrison 469 00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,280 Speaker 1: to take a pay cut. CAMFORDA, you're in the situation 470 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: we're talked about like the Saints or some like Keenan 471 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: Lewis walk, We're gonna keep We're gonna keep Bike Taylor. 472 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:24,520 Speaker 1: He's helped us win three Super or get the three 473 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,199 Speaker 1: Super Bowls and let this young corner go because we 474 00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:31,919 Speaker 1: can't afford him kept down those years. Yeah, they certainly 475 00:24:31,960 --> 00:24:34,439 Speaker 1: dealt with some of that during the COVID situation, the 476 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:37,440 Speaker 1: same thing. I mean, Eagles, Saints, and Steelers really got 477 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: hit hard by the cap not going anywhere in the 478 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,719 Speaker 1: COVID restraints and they still remain competitive. I mean a 479 00:24:43,720 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: lot of teams would have turned to nothing at that point. Yeah, 480 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 1: and they didn't. Yeah. So great job, great career from 481 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: Kevin Colbert. Can't say enough about him, the job he's done, 482 00:24:53,240 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 1: Not only the job that he's done, but just the 483 00:24:55,280 --> 00:24:59,040 Speaker 1: person that he is. Um, just a great guy. Um. 484 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:01,680 Speaker 1: He gave me some advice behind the scenes here and 485 00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: there in my early scouting world, and uh sat down 486 00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,640 Speaker 1: with him a few times, and he's phenomenal and loved 487 00:25:07,640 --> 00:25:09,640 Speaker 1: to pick his brain as much as possibly could. When 488 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:11,199 Speaker 1: we were all younger, we used to we used to 489 00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:14,359 Speaker 1: play a basketball game out at Saint Vincent College and 490 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: Kevin always played. Kevin was the g at Robert Morrise 491 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: the basketball team, so he had some basketball skills and 492 00:25:23,040 --> 00:25:25,400 Speaker 1: uh yeah, so we we'ld have those games and all 493 00:25:25,440 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: the scouts would come in and play great, great time. 494 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 1: Some of the assistant coaches that kind of stuff and 495 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,399 Speaker 1: in a few medium members. I was lucky enough to 496 00:25:32,400 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: be able to do that, but a lot of my 497 00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 1: three years of pit. They have the racquetball court there 498 00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:40,600 Speaker 1: and I fiddled with it, and I was the worst 499 00:25:40,640 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 1: racketball player in the history of the planet. It's gonna 500 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:45,119 Speaker 1: be able to change directions to get low and I know. 501 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: But Kevin and Bill Coward, I think they they build 502 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:50,760 Speaker 1: it for them. Yeah. They would come in and kick 503 00:25:50,840 --> 00:25:52,239 Speaker 1: us off the court. I mean we knew that if 504 00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:53,680 Speaker 1: they were coming and just get out of the way, 505 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,359 Speaker 1: you know, and he'd watch it a little bit. They 506 00:25:55,359 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 1: were into it, man. I mean they came out saying 507 00:25:57,680 --> 00:25:59,439 Speaker 1: some bad words at times or you know, if you 508 00:25:59,440 --> 00:26:01,439 Speaker 1: were waiting for them to be done. They were into it, man. 509 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:05,000 Speaker 1: Good stuff. Yeah, So we'll talk more about that as 510 00:26:05,040 --> 00:26:08,199 Speaker 1: the of course that Kevin is the draft gets closer 511 00:26:08,200 --> 00:26:09,800 Speaker 1: and closer. But we're gonna take a break. He is 512 00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lally. You're listening to the 513 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 1: drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back with 514 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:18,679 Speaker 1: more right after this. You're listening to the official voice 515 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,160 Speaker 1: of Black and Gold Nation SNR.