1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:06,160 Speaker 1: Now from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg sound on. 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:11,239 Speaker 1: Our world is in beak drop. The Ukrainian conflict is 3 00:00:11,640 --> 00:00:15,720 Speaker 1: exceeding the seventh month threshold. This remains a war of aggression, 4 00:00:15,880 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: Wi Ushi. When you're fighting the war against such an 5 00:00:18,800 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: an enemy, you need more weapons. Bloomberg sound on politics, 6 00:00:22,760 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: policy and perspective from DC's top name. So there's much 7 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,520 Speaker 1: too much money that flows in the shadows to influence 8 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:32,640 Speaker 1: our elections. It's called dark money. This is what makes 9 00:00:32,680 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: people sick about politics, makes me sick about Bloomberg sound 10 00:00:36,360 --> 00:00:42,080 Speaker 1: on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg radio. Russia calls for 11 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 1: votes to annex parts of Ukraine before it's pushed out 12 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,440 Speaker 1: of the country. Welcome to the fastest hour in politics, 13 00:00:48,920 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 1: as the U N General Assembly gathers in New York 14 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:54,320 Speaker 1: against the backdrop of the war and new calls for 15 00:00:54,360 --> 00:00:58,800 Speaker 1: more weapons. We'll talk military strategy and geopolitics with former 16 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: secretary of Defense Mark Esper. Later, a move to reform 17 00:01:02,720 --> 00:01:06,560 Speaker 1: the electoral count acts and prevent another January six gains 18 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:11,120 Speaker 1: momentum on Capitol Hill and Senator Joe Magin accuses Republicans 19 00:01:11,160 --> 00:01:14,680 Speaker 1: of revenge. Politics will cover it all with Bloomberg Congress 20 00:01:14,720 --> 00:01:19,120 Speaker 1: reporter Billy House and our signature panel. Bloomberg Politics Contributors 21 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:22,399 Speaker 1: Jeannie Chanzano and Rick Davis, are with us for the hour. 22 00:01:22,520 --> 00:01:24,480 Speaker 1: President Biden on his way to New York now for 23 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,760 Speaker 1: the U N General Assembly. He will speak tomorrow, but 24 00:01:27,880 --> 00:01:32,000 Speaker 1: today we heard from Secretary General Antonio Guterres, who opened 25 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:38,240 Speaker 1: with a blique statements. is in big trouble. Divides are 26 00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 1: growing deeper, inequalities are growing wider and challenges are spreading farther. 27 00:01:47,040 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 1: Our world is in big trouble, he says, with an 28 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:51,600 Speaker 1: eye on Ukraine, of course, where Russia now has called 29 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:55,200 Speaker 1: last minute votes on annexing parts of the country after 30 00:01:55,240 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: losing a lot of ground the last couple of weeks, 31 00:01:57,080 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 1: with the Lou Hanskin donatsk regions now set to hold 32 00:01:59,800 --> 00:02:02,080 Speaker 1: re Ferrenda as soon as this weekend. This is just 33 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:05,840 Speaker 1: a couple of days away. White House National Security Advisor 34 00:02:06,000 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: Jake Sullivan. The bottom line is that Russia is throwing 35 00:02:08,600 --> 00:02:13,560 Speaker 1: together sham referendums on three days notice as they continue 36 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: to lose ground on the battlefield and as more world 37 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:22,080 Speaker 1: leaders distanced themselves from Russia on the public stage and 38 00:02:22,160 --> 00:02:25,880 Speaker 1: Russia is scraping for personnel to throw into this fight. 39 00:02:25,960 --> 00:02:28,560 Speaker 1: Went on to say President Biden will not address Russia's 40 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: role as a member of the UN Security Council when 41 00:02:31,080 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 1: he talks tomorrow. That's where we begin our conversation with 42 00:02:33,520 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: former defense secretary Mark Esper. Mr Secretary, welcome back to Bloomberg. Thanks, Joe. 43 00:02:38,880 --> 00:02:40,400 Speaker 1: It's great to be with you again. You're on your 44 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:43,119 Speaker 1: way to New York as the United Nations General Assembly 45 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: gets underway. Secretary, is it time to address whether Russia 46 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:51,080 Speaker 1: should be kicked off the UN Security Council? Well, it's 47 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: it's a great question. I know a lot of people 48 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:56,280 Speaker 1: are debating that. They certainly their behavior in Ukraine has 49 00:02:56,280 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 1: been atrocious with regard to the unwarranted and unlowed for invasion, than, 50 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:03,839 Speaker 1: of course, war crimes and everything else. And Look, while 51 00:03:03,840 --> 00:03:05,440 Speaker 1: we'd all like to see, many of us would like 52 00:03:05,480 --> 00:03:07,880 Speaker 1: to see, Russia off the Security Council, I think it's 53 00:03:07,960 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: unlikely give them the process by which that has to happen. 54 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: The administration says it doesn't plan to bring it up 55 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 1: this time around. Yeah, because I think it's it's likely 56 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,720 Speaker 1: to fail, particularly as long as you have China on 57 00:03:19,760 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: the Security Council as well. That will defend Russia's interest. 58 00:03:23,280 --> 00:03:26,440 Speaker 1: President Urdawana, Turkey, says Vladimir Putin is willing to end 59 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,080 Speaker 1: this war as soon as possible. He says they talked 60 00:03:29,080 --> 00:03:32,400 Speaker 1: about it last week in Uzbekistan, that Russia, he says, 61 00:03:32,400 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: should return occupied territory as part of a peace settlement. 62 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:39,880 Speaker 1: Some saw that maybe as a trial balloon, maybe floating 63 00:03:39,920 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 1: some ideas on behalf of Putin. But when, with Russia 64 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: holding these votes, these referenda in Ukraine, do you see 65 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:49,760 Speaker 1: that happening? Well, of course, not pritty to the conversations 66 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: between Vladimir Putin and UH and President Urdawan, but I'm 67 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,080 Speaker 1: sure put would end uh the war immediately, as long 68 00:03:56,080 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: as it was on his terms and and frankly, his 69 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:03,880 Speaker 1: terms this point continue to diminish in some ways. I 70 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 1: don't think he's going to end until he annexes more 71 00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: of of Ukraine that he seems to be positioning himself 72 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:13,000 Speaker 1: that as earliest tonight and announcing an annexation of the 73 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:15,560 Speaker 1: Dawn Bass, which is the regions of the Neetsk and Lahunt. 74 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:19,719 Speaker 1: He's already annexed Crimea in all those cases. None of 75 00:04:19,720 --> 00:04:22,159 Speaker 1: this should be recognized under in your national law, because 76 00:04:22,320 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 1: completely illegal and unwarranted. But this may be a way 77 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:28,760 Speaker 1: by which he tries to first of all save some 78 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,440 Speaker 1: face and be changed the game in terms of what 79 00:04:31,480 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 1: it means to whether it's a special military operations still 80 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:38,560 Speaker 1: or actually a war. So these things are important. Plays 81 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:42,120 Speaker 1: out the Biden Administration and specifically Jake Sullivan today saying 82 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,719 Speaker 1: Russia will manipulate the results of these votes. That's not 83 00:04:44,760 --> 00:04:48,000 Speaker 1: even a question in our eyes. So will the outcome 84 00:04:48,000 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 1: of these votes complicate the war or any potential peace deals, 85 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:53,880 Speaker 1: or do we just ignore this and move forward with 86 00:04:53,920 --> 00:04:58,279 Speaker 1: the operation? Okay, we know predictably what's going to happen. 87 00:04:58,360 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: Is they will vote, these regions will vote to join Russia, 88 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,200 Speaker 1: to be an x, and that's predictable, and Putin will 89 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,839 Speaker 1: manage it, manipulated in whatever way you can. I don't 90 00:05:06,839 --> 00:05:09,960 Speaker 1: think we should recognize him. I think the sovereign territory, 91 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:14,200 Speaker 1: the boundaries of Ukraine have been identified clearly and recognized 92 00:05:14,240 --> 00:05:16,800 Speaker 1: by the UN since the breakup of the Soviet Union 93 00:05:18,040 --> 00:05:21,720 Speaker 1: and we should continue to assist Ukraine in restoring their 94 00:05:21,720 --> 00:05:24,560 Speaker 1: complete sovereignty, to include Crimea by the way. Well, do 95 00:05:24,560 --> 00:05:28,200 Speaker 1: you worry though, this would give Vladimir Putin license, at 96 00:05:28,240 --> 00:05:34,159 Speaker 1: least in his eyes, to inflict more harm on civilians. Voyer, 97 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: you gotta wonder how much more harm can you do 98 00:05:35,880 --> 00:05:42,039 Speaker 1: to the Ukrane? He's bombarding schools and maternity wards and hospitals, 99 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:44,400 Speaker 1: and you know the war crimes that are being committed 100 00:05:44,440 --> 00:05:48,360 Speaker 1: in in city after city, every time the Ukrainian military 101 00:05:48,440 --> 00:05:51,720 Speaker 1: moves forward. Now in the Don Bass region, they're uncovering 102 00:05:52,080 --> 00:05:54,920 Speaker 1: graves where there's evidence of torture. I mean, it's just 103 00:05:54,960 --> 00:05:57,599 Speaker 1: horrendous what's happening. And so's there's going to be an 104 00:05:57,600 --> 00:05:59,719 Speaker 1: accounting one day of what happened and at the end 105 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,440 Speaker 1: of the day, a Vladimir Putin will be held responsible 106 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:04,600 Speaker 1: for all this. So your thought is calling it Russia 107 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 1: or Ukraine, doesn't matter. He's already doing what he's doing. 108 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 1: He's gonna do what he's gonna do. Look at Ukrainian territory. 109 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:12,000 Speaker 1: He can call it what he wants, and only he 110 00:06:12,080 --> 00:06:14,920 Speaker 1: and maybe a few other countries they recognize the results 111 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:18,359 Speaker 1: of it, but the overwhelming majority of of United Nations 112 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:22,599 Speaker 1: members will still recognize Ukraine's territory, sovereign territory. Is What 113 00:06:22,640 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: it was at the end of the Cold War, secretary 114 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,200 Speaker 1: asked for. The Washington Post reports Russia has now lost 115 00:06:27,240 --> 00:06:30,279 Speaker 1: fifty five aircraft in this war. The Pentagon says Russian 116 00:06:30,279 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: casualties now top eighty thousand. possibly. What would be the 117 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 1: fastest way to force an end of this war? Is 118 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:41,400 Speaker 1: The answer? Tanks, fighter jets. What is it? Well, I 119 00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 1: think now, with the Ukraine moving on the offensive and 120 00:06:44,120 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 1: doing exceptionally well, I think what you have to have 121 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,760 Speaker 1: is maneuver assets, and I've I've spoken about this before. 122 00:06:49,800 --> 00:06:53,480 Speaker 1: They need to have both fixed wing and rotary aircraft, 123 00:06:53,680 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: Rotary Wing aircraft, helicopters, if you will, to move troops 124 00:06:56,240 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 1: quickly around the battlefield and I think that the addition 125 00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 1: of armor in the West, whether it's German armor or 126 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:05,160 Speaker 1: American whatever the case may be, provided to the Ukrainians 127 00:07:05,200 --> 00:07:07,320 Speaker 1: will given the ability to move quickly on the ground 128 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:11,320 Speaker 1: on the battlefield protected, and that's important. But these are 129 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:13,160 Speaker 1: things that we should have anticipated, that we should have 130 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: been training and thinking about some time ago. Some again, 131 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:19,840 Speaker 1: we find ourselves behind the ball with regard to whether 132 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 1: the Ukrainians are and where they need to be. But 133 00:07:21,880 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: I think this would be helped them in this maneuver 134 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:26,920 Speaker 1: phase of the warfare in terms of ejecting Russia out 135 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: of Ukraine. Where does intelligence play into this? And I 136 00:07:29,200 --> 00:07:31,560 Speaker 1: know there's probably only so much that we can discuss 137 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: on the radio about it, but the shared intelligence can 138 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: be as valuable or more so than providing hardware. Absolutely, 139 00:07:38,200 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: and look from what you read in the newspapers. We're 140 00:07:39,960 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: giving them strategic intelligence with regard to Russian troop movements, 141 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: UH and possible cruise missile strikes, and we're providing them 142 00:07:48,120 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: tactical intelligence in terms of what's happening on the ground 143 00:07:50,560 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: right before the opposing forces. So I think all it 144 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:56,360 Speaker 1: is very important to give them that, that type of 145 00:07:56,400 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: intelligence about what's happening, what the Russians may be thinking 146 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: and doing, and then understanding the broader strategic situation as well. 147 00:08:02,680 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: Is there such thing as a surge here? That's something 148 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,640 Speaker 1: that could be done. I mentioned hardware, but with regard 149 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 1: to the way the Ukrainian army is using forces, is 150 00:08:11,360 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: there something they could do to break line, something they 151 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: could do to really put Russia on its heels before 152 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 1: winter hits? That window is closing quickly. Yeah, I do 153 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 1: think it's key that they gain as much territory back 154 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:23,720 Speaker 1: as they can before winter hits, before it slows down 155 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,480 Speaker 1: the momentum any of any type of offensive. It will 156 00:08:26,520 --> 00:08:28,880 Speaker 1: be important tactically, not just in terms of what happens 157 00:08:28,880 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 1: on the ground with their forces and reclaiming Ukrainian cities, 158 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: but it will send an important message to the Western 159 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:38,640 Speaker 1: alliance that Ukrank can win this war. We need to 160 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,240 Speaker 1: stand behind them, particularly as Germany and other country space 161 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,760 Speaker 1: a tough winner with reduced energy supplies coming from Russia. 162 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,319 Speaker 1: We want them to feel good about their decision to 163 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:50,360 Speaker 1: support Ukraine and if we can make it through the winter, 164 00:08:50,920 --> 00:08:53,120 Speaker 1: then maybe the Ukraines can pick the offensive back up 165 00:08:53,120 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: and continue to push the Russians out. That's why I 166 00:08:55,160 --> 00:09:00,760 Speaker 1: think providing them UH maneuver assets like helicopters, hanks fighting 167 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: vehicles is important, and again, we should have anticipated this weeks, 168 00:09:04,920 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: if not months ago. We've provided billions of dollars in 169 00:09:08,880 --> 00:09:11,679 Speaker 1: weapons to Ukraine, much of it from our own arsenal. 170 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 1: How much of a challenge will it be to replenish 171 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 1: our stockpiles? I am concerned about our stockpiles. I don't 172 00:09:17,920 --> 00:09:20,120 Speaker 1: think the issue is money as much as the ability 173 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:24,599 Speaker 1: to quickly rebuild those stockpiles. Looking War, you expend a 174 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 1: lot of ammunition material and and and platforms, and it's 175 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:31,720 Speaker 1: it's important that we support the Ukrainians because they are 176 00:09:31,760 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: fighting the fight that we didn't want to fight. And 177 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,960 Speaker 1: this is not just a combat between two countries, but 178 00:09:37,040 --> 00:09:40,800 Speaker 1: this is autocracy versus democracy, and so it's important to 179 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,319 Speaker 1: support them. But the challenges. Our defense industrial basis is 180 00:09:44,360 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 1: built for efficiency, not for a long drawn out fight, 181 00:09:48,520 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: and so we have to get our heads around the 182 00:09:50,040 --> 00:09:52,679 Speaker 1: fact that we have to build stockpiles of arms equipment, 183 00:09:53,080 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: ammunition material, all those things. That's important, just not support, 184 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,760 Speaker 1: not just for supporting our allies, but supporting our own 185 00:09:59,760 --> 00:10:01,600 Speaker 1: fight if we get into some tussle with the Russians 186 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:03,800 Speaker 1: or Chinese ourselves. How long do you have a sense, 187 00:10:04,000 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: having held the job here as defense secretary, how long 188 00:10:07,040 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 1: it might take to do so? Well, look, not just 189 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: my job as sect up and secretary the army before them, 190 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:14,319 Speaker 1: but you know, I spent eight years or so in 191 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,800 Speaker 1: the defense industry. It takes months, if not years, to 192 00:10:17,840 --> 00:10:20,679 Speaker 1: rebuild these stockpiles and that's gonna mean quick confusions of 193 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 1: money now by Congress to get these defense companies to 194 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: spin up lines, higher workers, train workers, build plant and factories. 195 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,240 Speaker 1: Need be do all these things to make sure we 196 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,360 Speaker 1: have sufficient stockpiles for the United States and its allies 197 00:10:34,400 --> 00:10:37,160 Speaker 1: when it comes to things like stingers and javelins and 198 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: High Mars and and all those, you know one munitions 199 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 1: that we have been expended on the battlefield of Ukraine. 200 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:47,199 Speaker 1: Do we have the chips to do it? We stockpiled 201 00:10:47,320 --> 00:10:49,920 Speaker 1: enough for that purpose? Well, I want, I want to 202 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:52,000 Speaker 1: believe so. But that's why it was very important that 203 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,559 Speaker 1: several weeks ago, UH congress past the chip sacked as 204 00:10:55,679 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: to bring that capacity back here home to the United States. 205 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:00,679 Speaker 1: Not It'll take a few years, of course, to build 206 00:11:00,679 --> 00:11:03,560 Speaker 1: that capacity, but that was an important strategic move that 207 00:11:03,600 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: supports not just our national security when it comes to 208 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 1: defense and defense industry, but also our commercial uh robustness 209 00:11:10,720 --> 00:11:13,040 Speaker 1: and the health of our economy well. As debate starts 210 00:11:13,080 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 1: over this next N D A A. We've got a 211 00:11:15,000 --> 00:11:17,839 Speaker 1: lot of stuff to buy, secretary. We do, and it's 212 00:11:17,880 --> 00:11:20,439 Speaker 1: not cheap, and Congress has to be willing to open 213 00:11:20,520 --> 00:11:23,440 Speaker 1: up its pocketbooks and think strategically about what we need 214 00:11:23,720 --> 00:11:26,079 Speaker 1: to win in the twenty one century. I'm far less 215 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:28,000 Speaker 1: concerned about Russia today than what I might have been 216 00:11:28,040 --> 00:11:31,120 Speaker 1: two years ago, because they've proven themselves to be incompetent 217 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,839 Speaker 1: in many ways on the battle. But China is still 218 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:37,120 Speaker 1: out there lurking and they have ambitions about surpassing us 219 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: when it comes to leading the global order. Mark Asper, 220 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,520 Speaker 1: former Secretary of defense, former secretary of the army, we 221 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,439 Speaker 1: thank you, as always, for the insights today on Bloomberg. 222 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:49,079 Speaker 1: Good luck at the UN. Thank you very much. WELLT's say, 223 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: I'm well the panel next, with Rick and Jennie here 224 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 1: on sound on. I'm Joe Matthew in Washington. This is Bloomberg. 225 00:11:58,600 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: You're listening to Bloom Berg. You sound on with Joe 226 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:07,959 Speaker 1: Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. What a night to be arriving 227 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,160 Speaker 1: in New York. What a week right, I mean just 228 00:12:10,240 --> 00:12:14,520 Speaker 1: to get into town, catch a cab, cross the street, 229 00:12:15,600 --> 00:12:18,880 Speaker 1: go out to a restaurant. Ask Rick Davis. He's already 230 00:12:18,880 --> 00:12:20,680 Speaker 1: in the middle of it up there. In fact, we 231 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:23,840 Speaker 1: assemble our panel with Rick Davis in New York, Genie 232 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:28,000 Speaker 1: Schanzano here in Washington, D C, Bloomberg politics contributors, with 233 00:12:28,040 --> 00:12:30,079 Speaker 1: an eye, of course, on not only the UN General 234 00:12:30,080 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: Assembly but everything we just discussed involving Ukraine with Mark Esper. 235 00:12:35,200 --> 00:12:37,199 Speaker 1: Of course, Vladimir Putin is not at the U N. 236 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: he's busy planning votes in Russian occupied areas of Ukraine 237 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 1: where Russia has lost ground to the counter offensive by 238 00:12:45,840 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 1: the Ukrainian military. The Biden Administration already calling these sham votes. 239 00:12:51,160 --> 00:12:53,680 Speaker 1: The idea would be to annex them before they get 240 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:59,079 Speaker 1: forced out altogether. Against Stoltenberg, NATO Secretary General, speaking earlier 241 00:12:59,080 --> 00:13:04,959 Speaker 1: today with bloom, such sham votes referendums do not have 242 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:09,000 Speaker 1: any legitimates and therefore they don't change the nature of 243 00:13:09,120 --> 00:13:12,880 Speaker 1: the conflict. This remains a war of aggression by or 244 00:13:12,960 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: Shan against the Independence Sovereign Nation in Europe, Ukraine. Uh 245 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 1: and UH. This will only uh further, uh worse in 246 00:13:23,520 --> 00:13:27,120 Speaker 1: the situation and therefore we need to provide more support 247 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: to Ukraine. For further worse in the situation, more support 248 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: for Ukraine. These are not the kind of things we 249 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,520 Speaker 1: want to hear at the stage of the game. Seven 250 00:13:34,559 --> 00:13:39,560 Speaker 1: months in. Rick Davis, what do you think about this 251 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: idea of holding votes in these areas of Ukraine? Does 252 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 1: it make the situation more dangerous if they are in 253 00:13:46,400 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 1: fact annex Dmitry Medvedev, who's now head of the deputy 254 00:13:49,640 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: head of the Security Council, says the annexation would be 255 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:56,240 Speaker 1: irreversible and enable Russia to use all possible force in 256 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 1: self defense. Yeah, I think this is the threat right 257 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: in the sense that what the NATO secretary general was 258 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: just saying about how it doesn't change the battlefield, but 259 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: it may actually change the battlefield. I mean, there is 260 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: a sense that this is an escalation strategy by Vladimir 261 00:14:09,880 --> 00:14:13,240 Speaker 1: Putin to be able to not only use a heightened 262 00:14:13,280 --> 00:14:16,400 Speaker 1: level of of weaponry against the people of the Ukraine, 263 00:14:16,720 --> 00:14:19,040 Speaker 1: because he will claim it's an attack on Russia, but 264 00:14:19,160 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: he needs this for his politics at home. I mean 265 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: one of the reasons we see this happening is because 266 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:28,520 Speaker 1: he has had a counter attack at home, domestically, about 267 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 1: the fact that the war is not going the way 268 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:33,440 Speaker 1: he said it was going to, and both hardliners are 269 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: saying we need to do more to defeat these Ukrainians, 270 00:14:36,440 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: we need to, you know, escalate, while others in his 271 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: own party are saying, wow, this is like not going 272 00:14:41,920 --> 00:14:43,600 Speaker 1: the way we thought it was going to go, and 273 00:14:43,640 --> 00:14:46,400 Speaker 1: so he's going to call our cards and say this 274 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 1: is now an attack on Russia and and this is 275 00:14:49,360 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 1: something that he'll try to use in a public domain, 276 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 1: but it's just not gonna fly. The rest of the 277 00:14:53,720 --> 00:14:56,040 Speaker 1: world knows this for what it is. It's just a 278 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,520 Speaker 1: naked grab and it's not going to be a democratic process, 279 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:02,640 Speaker 1: and so he'll be the only one talking about this 280 00:15:02,720 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 1: as being legitimate. But at the end of the day 281 00:15:05,240 --> 00:15:09,000 Speaker 1: they also did this in Crimea years ago and the 282 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: world let him get away with it. So I'm sure 283 00:15:11,200 --> 00:15:13,920 Speaker 1: he's thinking, wow, it's just what's the difference? Yeah, he's 284 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:18,240 Speaker 1: obviously used this playbook before here. I wonder how concerned 285 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:20,800 Speaker 1: you are about this genie, with with the sort of 286 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 1: climax that we've been seeing, at least in that part 287 00:15:23,960 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 1: of Ukraine, the counter offensive that was gaining momentum. Is 288 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: it time? I asked Mark Esper about this. I realized 289 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: there are complications. That's not going to happen this week, 290 00:15:33,760 --> 00:15:36,360 Speaker 1: but should Joe Biden at least be calling publicly for 291 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: Russia to be kicked out of the UN Security Council? Yeah, well, 292 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 1: we are here in grumblings more than grumblings, about that, 293 00:15:43,160 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 1: and we have for some time, and you just put 294 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:49,440 Speaker 1: it out in the air. Yeah, well, Thomas Greenfield, the 295 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: US ambassador to the U, N Linda Thomas Greenfield, she 296 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:56,840 Speaker 1: has been talking about invoicing support for sensible reform to 297 00:15:56,880 --> 00:16:00,480 Speaker 1: the Security Council. Some of that proposal includes an increasing 298 00:16:00,480 --> 00:16:03,720 Speaker 1: the number of members. Obviously they don't have the support 299 00:16:03,840 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: for that at this point, but we're hearing more than, 300 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 1: I said, grumblings. It's more than grumblings. We're hearing a 301 00:16:08,920 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: lot more talk about that publicly than we have and 302 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: I do think that this referendum. To Urine Rick's point, 303 00:16:16,240 --> 00:16:19,760 Speaker 1: we've seen Russia do this before with Crimea, and it 304 00:16:19,880 --> 00:16:22,600 Speaker 1: worked for them then. We knew, because the Kremlin said 305 00:16:22,600 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: earlier they were going to do this. I think the 306 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 1: fact they're doing it now is a sign of desperation. 307 00:16:27,840 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: is how badly things have gone for them. They can't 308 00:16:31,120 --> 00:16:33,560 Speaker 1: sustain this war at home. As they try to increase 309 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: the number of ground troops, they need to increase that support. 310 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: This is one way to do that, to show they 311 00:16:39,120 --> 00:16:42,640 Speaker 1: are victims, they're under attack and they're defending themselves, and 312 00:16:42,680 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: that's precisely what this is about. Called a sham or 313 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:47,480 Speaker 1: not they go forward with this, they will use this 314 00:16:47,640 --> 00:16:50,640 Speaker 1: defensive posture to justify the war at home. Yeah, well, 315 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 1: things get more dangerous when they get desperate. Rick. Is 316 00:16:53,000 --> 00:16:55,440 Speaker 1: this the prelude, then? Is it's the setup by Vladimir 317 00:16:55,440 --> 00:17:00,040 Speaker 1: Putin to potentially use a tactical nuclear weapon? Well, I 318 00:17:00,360 --> 00:17:02,240 Speaker 1: do think that is one of the reasons why you 319 00:17:02,280 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: don't hear a lot about kicking them out of the 320 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:07,320 Speaker 1: Security Council, because that is one forum to try and 321 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,399 Speaker 1: keep their feet to the fires in nuclear power. Uh and, 322 00:17:10,400 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 1: and more needs to be done around that. But sure, 323 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:15,280 Speaker 1: I mean he'll claim that there's this is an attack 324 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 1: by NATO with their weapons on homeland Russia. Uh and, 325 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:23,160 Speaker 1: and so you can see him building the concept around 326 00:17:23,840 --> 00:17:26,199 Speaker 1: this argument that he can do whatever he wants to 327 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:30,320 Speaker 1: do because he's actually, you know, having an invading force. Again, 328 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:32,239 Speaker 1: he'll be the only one in the world who believes it, 329 00:17:32,400 --> 00:17:35,000 Speaker 1: I would say to it just keeps him deeper and 330 00:17:35,040 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 1: deeper into this hole that he's digging for himself. I mean, 331 00:17:37,680 --> 00:17:40,200 Speaker 1: he already thought he could use this war to divide 332 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: the world right, and all of these people who are 333 00:17:42,359 --> 00:17:45,000 Speaker 1: going to be uh, you know, supporters of the Americas 334 00:17:45,000 --> 00:17:46,760 Speaker 1: are gonna be put on the defense because we're gonna 335 00:17:46,800 --> 00:17:49,560 Speaker 1: go right into Kiev and and and all my autocratic 336 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 1: friends are gonna be, you know, uplifted by this. That's 337 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 1: not at all what has happened here. And there's a 338 00:17:54,840 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: reason he can get invited to the queen's funeral. There's 339 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,960 Speaker 1: a reason he didn't come to the UN General Assembly. 340 00:18:00,040 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 1: I would not be surprised that, if he goes through 341 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:04,479 Speaker 1: with this, he pulls a no show at the g twenty. 342 00:18:04,600 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 1: I mean, this guy is becoming a global pariah. He 343 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:11,440 Speaker 1: does no good for his quote allies like China, who 344 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 1: have been like perplexed by the fact that they couldn't 345 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 1: execute on a plan. So I do worry about the 346 00:18:17,680 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: limits to what he is going to be held accountable for. 347 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:23,040 Speaker 1: So why not just give him the MiGs genie if 348 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:25,959 Speaker 1: he's going to keep escalating? What's our worry? Well, I 349 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: think we're going to be pushed to do that pretty soon, 350 00:18:28,280 --> 00:18:30,560 Speaker 1: and I think that is absolutely what we may be 351 00:18:30,720 --> 00:18:33,359 Speaker 1: seeing in the in the near future. What a thought. 352 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:37,160 Speaker 1: Rick Davis and Jennie Chanzano, our signature panel, together once 353 00:18:37,200 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: again on the Tuesday edition of sound on the fastest 354 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,680 Speaker 1: hour in politics, bringing a Capitol Hill next. This is Bloomberg. 355 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,840 Speaker 1: It's called the Presidential Elections Reform Act and the idea 356 00:18:48,880 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: here is to prevent some of the confusion, if I 357 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:52,800 Speaker 1: can use that word, that we saw surrounding the events 358 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:57,000 Speaker 1: of January six. Reaffirming the vice president can only count 359 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: the votes, not overturned them. At a president trump had 360 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 1: claimed it would make it harder for lawmakers to object, 361 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:06,880 Speaker 1: requiring at least a third of the members in each 362 00:19:06,960 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: chamber to support the objection. So it raises the bar 363 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:11,919 Speaker 1: here and right now it takes just one house member 364 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,600 Speaker 1: and a single senator. Congressman Pete Aghilar of California, is 365 00:19:15,680 --> 00:19:18,880 Speaker 1: Vice Chair of the House Democratic Caucus. This is more 366 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: than a quick fix. This is about strengthening our democracy. 367 00:19:23,320 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 1: To craft this legislation, they pulled directly from testimony and 368 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:31,280 Speaker 1: evidence that was gathered during the select committee's work in 369 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,560 Speaker 1: the investigation to the of the reforms that will prevent 370 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:37,600 Speaker 1: another January six. And, of course, a member of the committee, 371 00:19:37,640 --> 00:19:39,320 Speaker 1: we're joined to talk about that and a few other 372 00:19:39,920 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: gyrations today on Capitol Hill by Billy House Bloomberg, Congress reporter. 373 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: It's great to have you back, billy. Does this pass? 374 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: Does this have bipartisan support. It does not. I mean 375 00:19:51,320 --> 00:19:54,159 Speaker 1: the in the house. The bill will get a few 376 00:19:54,200 --> 00:19:57,480 Speaker 1: Republican votes, obviously lives Cheney and some of the other 377 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:00,440 Speaker 1: Republicans who may have voted for trump's and each mint, 378 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:05,520 Speaker 1: but general would be along party lines. House geop leaders 379 00:20:05,520 --> 00:20:07,320 Speaker 1: have already sent a notice to their rank and file 380 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 1: members to vote against it. UH, they don't have to 381 00:20:10,160 --> 00:20:14,200 Speaker 1: follow that directive, but that's basically where the Republicans are 382 00:20:14,200 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: on that. That's where we're going here. Does it how 383 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 1: much does it have to do with the fact that 384 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 1: Liz Cheney's name is on this bill right, she co 385 00:20:19,920 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: Co sponsored it with with Sol an? That's a good question, 386 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: or or the fact that it came out of the 387 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:30,639 Speaker 1: January six committee? More generally, is that galvanize the GOP 388 00:20:30,800 --> 00:20:34,680 Speaker 1: resentment or objection to this? Uh, it's a very good question. 389 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,399 Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting because a few months ago, Gosh, 390 00:20:37,800 --> 00:20:39,720 Speaker 1: a year ago at this point, we were talking about 391 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:45,640 Speaker 1: much more comprehensive electoral reform. Right even Joe Biden went 392 00:20:45,680 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: to Capitol Hill to help lobby for it. They couldn't 393 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,359 Speaker 1: get it past the finish line. This was considered a 394 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:54,240 Speaker 1: much more modest thing that that. Maybe both parties could 395 00:20:54,240 --> 00:20:58,280 Speaker 1: get their heads around what changed. Uh. Well, I think 396 00:20:58,280 --> 00:21:01,120 Speaker 1: they realized. The Democrats, who can roll of course, both chambers, 397 00:21:01,119 --> 00:21:05,200 Speaker 1: realized that clock is ticking. The buzzer will perhaps uh 398 00:21:05,320 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 1: sound off on December thirty one and they could find 399 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,359 Speaker 1: one of their chambers uh, uh in control after the 400 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:15,639 Speaker 1: November eighth election and starting in January, uh in control 401 00:21:15,680 --> 00:21:18,040 Speaker 1: of the Republicans. So time is running out on what 402 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,400 Speaker 1: they think they want to do. But to be clear 403 00:21:20,480 --> 00:21:22,320 Speaker 1: for our listeners here, you don't. You don't see a 404 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:27,120 Speaker 1: path for this legislation. If I if I see a path, 405 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,280 Speaker 1: it's clearly after the November eighth election in the lane 406 00:21:30,359 --> 00:21:33,480 Speaker 1: duck session, because there are differences between this house bill 407 00:21:33,720 --> 00:21:36,879 Speaker 1: and the Senate bill. Now sponsors seem to indicate they 408 00:21:36,880 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 1: think they can resolve those differences, but there's certainly no 409 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: way it can be done before members leave Washington, until 410 00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:46,640 Speaker 1: until after the elections, and many articulate the sticking points there. 411 00:21:46,680 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 1: What's holding them up? Well, for instance, in the House, 412 00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,720 Speaker 1: the House bill, as you I think, mentioned that uh 413 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,480 Speaker 1: one third of the members would have to vote to 414 00:21:56,920 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: uh oppose uh a states elector electoral slate, while in 415 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:06,920 Speaker 1: the Senate it's only one fifth and that seems very 416 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:09,880 Speaker 1: minor and seems like it could be resolved right now. 417 00:22:09,920 --> 00:22:13,000 Speaker 1: They haven't resolved it. Okay, check back in November with 418 00:22:13,040 --> 00:22:15,160 Speaker 1: Billy House. Um, I want to ask you about Joe 419 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:19,040 Speaker 1: Manchin as well. Billy Interesting Day as he's accusing his 420 00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:23,920 Speaker 1: republican colleagues of retribution, even while asking for their support 421 00:22:23,960 --> 00:22:28,680 Speaker 1: to help pass this energy permitting legislation. Chuck Schumer today 422 00:22:28,720 --> 00:22:32,240 Speaker 1: says it's going into the CR, the continuing resolution that 423 00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,719 Speaker 1: will fund the government past September. There's been a lot 424 00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 1: of confusion about this. This is part of the deal 425 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:42,119 Speaker 1: surrounding the inflation reduction act, of course, which angered people 426 00:22:42,160 --> 00:22:44,600 Speaker 1: on both sides of the aisle. Here's Chuck Schumer. Permitting 427 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:49,119 Speaker 1: reform is part of the I R A and I 428 00:22:49,280 --> 00:22:52,920 Speaker 1: intend to add it to the CR and get it done. Yes, 429 00:22:53,040 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 1: are there any circumstances whatsoever that that could be taken 430 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 1: out of the series? But you said that for two weeks. 431 00:22:59,520 --> 00:23:01,560 Speaker 1: I'm just getting saying. I'll say it for two weeks 432 00:23:01,560 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: in one day. Next they keep trump. The Republicans are 433 00:23:05,080 --> 00:23:07,159 Speaker 1: saying they're not going to support the CR if they 434 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:11,400 Speaker 1: had a mansion energy many proposals. What do you say 435 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: to that? There's no reason Republicans shouldn't support it and 436 00:23:14,359 --> 00:23:17,840 Speaker 1: I hope they do. Literally. Okay, so that's the back 437 00:23:17,880 --> 00:23:20,360 Speaker 1: and forth today. Billy has you're probably standing right there 438 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,120 Speaker 1: when he said it. Um What does that mean here? 439 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:27,159 Speaker 1: Is Is he working Republicans on this, or or is 440 00:23:27,240 --> 00:23:31,800 Speaker 1: he kind of stretching the truth for reporters? The first 441 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:35,120 Speaker 1: thing to note is that nobody's seen the mansion proposal 442 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:39,280 Speaker 1: actually yet. He's unveiling it tomorrow, but he's calling it 443 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,719 Speaker 1: revenge politics. Certainly if the Republicans are out to get 444 00:23:41,760 --> 00:23:45,800 Speaker 1: him for supporting the spending plan and the climate plan. 445 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:49,240 Speaker 1: He h he joined Democrats with last a couple of 446 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:52,199 Speaker 1: months ago. So what we have here is kind of 447 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:58,680 Speaker 1: a showdown. Whether you know, uh, Democrats are really facing 448 00:23:58,680 --> 00:24:01,399 Speaker 1: a potential shutdown over this, we'll see in the next 449 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:05,159 Speaker 1: few days. But it is complicated, if not overly broad 450 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,200 Speaker 1: an issue. Yeah, so we'll get some details, some text tomorrow. 451 00:24:09,640 --> 00:24:13,199 Speaker 1: The senator says he needs as many as twenty Republican 452 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:17,280 Speaker 1: votes in the Senate to overcome democratic defections. This is 453 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:21,160 Speaker 1: what he was saying today in the Senate Radio TV gallery. 454 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,000 Speaker 1: If they're willing to say we're going to close down 455 00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:27,360 Speaker 1: the government because the personal attack on me or basically 456 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 1: not looking at the good of the country. This is 457 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 1: what makes people sick about politics. Makes me sick about it. 458 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 1: It sounds like he's stressing out a little bit, billy. Well, 459 00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: he is, but what he's also not mentioning is that 460 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: some of the junctions point to UH. This would benefit 461 00:24:43,000 --> 00:24:47,960 Speaker 1: equatron's a company about Equatron's Ministream Corps, uh, which, of 462 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: course uh mansion is it wants to see go through. 463 00:24:52,200 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: So he has a kind of personal stake beyond just 464 00:24:54,680 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: the broader permitting philosophy. That's the multibillion Dollar Mountain Valley 465 00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 1: Natural Gas Pipeline, UH in West Virginia. Yeah, that's that's 466 00:25:04,720 --> 00:25:07,000 Speaker 1: a pretty big deal, and it would be. It would 467 00:25:07,000 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 1: help to speed approval of this, along with a lot 468 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,520 Speaker 1: of other permits. Billy, thank you. We'd love to stay 469 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,719 Speaker 1: in touch with you on all of these. It's it's 470 00:25:12,760 --> 00:25:15,639 Speaker 1: been quite the merry go around lately and, Gosh, lawmakers 471 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:17,480 Speaker 1: just got back, or at least it seems like it. 472 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 1: Billy House with us, Bloomberg, Congress reporter. We're gonna put 473 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: this to the panel next Jeanie Chanzano and Rick Davis 474 00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 1: are with us on the fastest hour in politics. We'll 475 00:25:25,920 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 1: check traffic and markets for you on the way as well. 476 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: I'm Joe Matthew and Washington. This is Bloomberg. You're listening 477 00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 1: to Bloomberg. You sound on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. 478 00:25:51,560 --> 00:25:55,000 Speaker 1: Senator Joe Manchon, of course, not only upset with Republicans 479 00:25:55,119 --> 00:25:59,359 Speaker 1: right now for not supporting his energy permitting legislation, but well, 480 00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:03,159 Speaker 1: he's up with Progressive Democrats to in fact, when you 481 00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: listen to them today on Capitol Hill, it's smacks almost 482 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: of a conspiracy. I got to be honest with I've 483 00:26:11,040 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: been around for a long time and state politics and 484 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:17,679 Speaker 1: federal politics. I've never seen stranger bed founds than Bernie 485 00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: Sanders and the the extreme liberal left signing up with 486 00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:29,120 Speaker 1: the Republican leadership in the caucus. I've never seen this happen. Uh. 487 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,640 Speaker 1: So it's uh, it's come to me. What I'm hearing 488 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:38,320 Speaker 1: is it's like a revenge politics, uh, and basically revenge 489 00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 1: towards one person. Need and I'm thinking this is not 490 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:45,200 Speaker 1: about me. Can you reassemble the panel now with Rick 491 00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 1: Davis and Jeanie Schanzano Bloomberg politics contributors. Is this revenge politics, genie, 492 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 1: and I asked you that because we could go all 493 00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:54,399 Speaker 1: the way back through B B B and all the 494 00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:57,399 Speaker 1: rest of it and the the the extended debate that 495 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: went on for over a year between Joe Manch and 496 00:27:01,160 --> 00:27:05,400 Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer. That upset Progressive Democrats very much. He ended 497 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: up getting this together with the inflation reduction act, but 498 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: the they have long memories, they do. You know, it's 499 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: interesting to hear Joe, Joe Manchin talk about this because 500 00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,040 Speaker 1: of course Republicans feel that they he threw them under 501 00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: the bus with the I r. A payback is what 502 00:27:21,960 --> 00:27:24,760 Speaker 1: he seems to be feeling there, you know, taking revenge 503 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:27,520 Speaker 1: on him for that. But of course his own fellow 504 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: West Virginia senator, Shelley Moore capital. She has a permitting 505 00:27:31,560 --> 00:27:34,520 Speaker 1: package out there. It has the supportive about forty five 506 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:38,679 Speaker 1: Republican senators. They're backing it. So he's going to have 507 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 1: to try potentially to deal with her and of course 508 00:27:42,880 --> 00:27:45,719 Speaker 1: that bill that she put out that they are supporting. 509 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:48,800 Speaker 1: It really does put a lot of pressure on mansion 510 00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:52,399 Speaker 1: because much of what it does is codify what happened 511 00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 1: in the trump administration. So he's in a bit of 512 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: a pickle here. He wants them on his side and 513 00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,720 Speaker 1: he can't get either the Democrats or the Republicans. He's 514 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:01,679 Speaker 1: gonna have to probably play ball with her if he 515 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,159 Speaker 1: wants anything, but it doesn't sound like he's prepared to 516 00:28:04,200 --> 00:28:05,720 Speaker 1: do that. Well, if you've been with us here on 517 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,520 Speaker 1: Bloomberg sound on, you know that dozens of lawmakers are 518 00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:10,640 Speaker 1: threatening to shut down the government over this, including more 519 00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:15,399 Speaker 1: than Seventy House Democrats. Uh, Ed Markey in the Senate, 520 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:17,720 Speaker 1: now Bernie Sanders, of course, in the Senate. This is 521 00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:22,120 Speaker 1: a problem for Joe Manchion Rick. Is releasing the actual 522 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:26,440 Speaker 1: text tomorrow make any difference? Probably not. I mean usually 523 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: the text will divide the room even more. Right there'll 524 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:31,879 Speaker 1: be some things in there that, uh, people who have 525 00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,520 Speaker 1: already supported him want, and then there'll be things in 526 00:28:34,560 --> 00:28:36,159 Speaker 1: there that even some of the people who might have 527 00:28:36,200 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: been supporters are gonna say no way. So usually the 528 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:42,000 Speaker 1: more detail, the worst year year after. And Look, at 529 00:28:42,000 --> 00:28:43,920 Speaker 1: the end of the day, there's a way to do 530 00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: this right. Just give him a vote on his amendment 531 00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:49,000 Speaker 1: to a clean cr he's not going to pass and 532 00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:51,600 Speaker 1: you know, you move on with a clean cr so, uh, 533 00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:57,160 Speaker 1: the appropriate he's and Schumer's gonna be right. Notice what 534 00:28:57,200 --> 00:28:59,880 Speaker 1: he says. You know, he says he's gonna include it. Well, 535 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,200 Speaker 1: including IT and having it stripped out of an amendment 536 00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:05,680 Speaker 1: is not gonna, you know, mess up the Schumer commitment. 537 00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:08,960 Speaker 1: But Schumer can't deliver the votes for him and and 538 00:29:09,040 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: yet he was the vote that delivered the R A. 539 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:13,160 Speaker 1: I'm glad he did the IRA. I think this climate 540 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: stuff that's going to really help our country reposition ourselves 541 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 1: in the world and domestically. But it's gonna cost him 542 00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 1: and the idea that Somehow, oh my God, you know, 543 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: this is a surprise to him that politics is like this. 544 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,240 Speaker 1: He's been a legislative terrorists for the last two years, 545 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,200 Speaker 1: the most important guy in Washington, and this is the 546 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,680 Speaker 1: price you past. He did seem pretty stressed out. Like 547 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:35,760 Speaker 1: I said, he seemed, uh, he seems spooked almost at 548 00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 1: the podiums, at a gene. He's not used to being 549 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 1: on this side of the thing. He's not, and Rick, 550 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: that is a great phrase. A legislative terrorist, which he 551 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: has been for a couple of years, and it's coming 552 00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,600 Speaker 1: right back to him and he see pretty stunned by that. 553 00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: Otherwise he's a very good actor to place done the 554 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:53,080 Speaker 1: way he so what does this mean, genie, if this 555 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:55,959 Speaker 1: isn't going to end up in the CR Democrats already 556 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,400 Speaker 1: told us that same sex marriage had to wait until 557 00:29:58,520 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 1: after the mid terms, right. So this is gonna be 558 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:04,920 Speaker 1: a clean bill. That's what it sounded most to be 559 00:30:04,960 --> 00:30:07,760 Speaker 1: loaded up a couple of weeks ago. Yeah, they're gonna be, 560 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:10,680 Speaker 1: you know, lucky to get this thing passed clean and 561 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: get back onto the campaign trail, which is what everybody 562 00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:15,520 Speaker 1: there knows that they need to do at this point. 563 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: So I think they're gonna end up doing it clean. 564 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,000 Speaker 1: I think Rick's right. They may put this up for 565 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:20,800 Speaker 1: a vote, but he doesn't have the votes to get 566 00:30:20,800 --> 00:30:23,000 Speaker 1: it through. Rick and Jan her with us our signature 567 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 1: panel on sound on. I've got to ask you both 568 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:28,600 Speaker 1: about the immigration debate, crisis, whatever we're going to call 569 00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: it here, because it goes on now. The latest reports 570 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,719 Speaker 1: this morning were that Rhonda Santis, the Governor of Florida, 571 00:30:34,840 --> 00:30:38,320 Speaker 1: was sending a planeload and by way of Texas. Again, 572 00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,520 Speaker 1: I still I get confused with this, but the planeload 573 00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 1: was headed toward Delaware. He had been promising to do this. 574 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:47,200 Speaker 1: Of course, that is the home state of President Joe Biden. 575 00:30:47,240 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: They were going to send him up to a home 576 00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: with beach or something. Uh. The press secretary, Karine John Pierre, 577 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: in fact acknowledge these reports today in the briefing room. 578 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: We have received a word of the flights. Uh. And yes, 579 00:30:58,680 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: we are coordinating close with state officials, uh, and local 580 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:06,240 Speaker 1: service providers who are prepared to welcome these families in 581 00:31:06,480 --> 00:31:10,040 Speaker 1: orderly manner as they pursue their asylum claims. But no 582 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: plane ever showed up. Apparently, this is interesting. We're playing 583 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,680 Speaker 1: games now. There's no plane, according to reports, left Texas 584 00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: as of nine thirty am. That had been scheduled. Reporters 585 00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:25,880 Speaker 1: and photographers looked for signs of the plane in Texas 586 00:31:25,880 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: and Florida. No one ever took off, no one ever landed. 587 00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:31,760 Speaker 1: Officials now say no plane is expected. So you know, 588 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,800 Speaker 1: I don't know if they show up on Saturday night here, 589 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:37,720 Speaker 1: when the Biden's at least expecting it, but Mitch McConnell 590 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: was asked about it today. This, of course, is very 591 00:31:40,800 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 1: much top of mind here in the nation's capital. The 592 00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:46,680 Speaker 1: minority leader in the Senate was all for it. I 593 00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:49,360 Speaker 1: personally thought it was a good idea, but if you 594 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:55,479 Speaker 1: add it up, all of the illegals have been taken 595 00:31:55,520 --> 00:31:59,800 Speaker 1: to Chicago or Washington or Martha's Vineyard. It would be 596 00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,840 Speaker 1: fewer and people down in Texas have to deal with 597 00:32:03,880 --> 00:32:07,760 Speaker 1: on a daily basis. When the vice president says the 598 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:12,960 Speaker 1: border secure, it's absurdly incorrect. The president of the United 599 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: States asked directly about it today as he talked about 600 00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: a completely different topic at the White House before he 601 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:21,160 Speaker 1: left for the U. N you can hear reporters shouting 602 00:32:21,240 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: questions at under your because there are three countries that 603 00:32:26,960 --> 00:32:30,320 Speaker 1: are never had. Way Out the floor. He comes back 604 00:32:31,440 --> 00:32:36,760 Speaker 1: coming from Central America, Mexico. This is a totally different circumstances. 605 00:32:37,400 --> 00:32:42,160 Speaker 1: What's on my watch now is Venezuela, Cuba and Nicaragua, 606 00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:45,680 Speaker 1: and the ability to send them back to those states 607 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: is not rational. You could send them back and have 608 00:32:48,920 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: them way. We're working with Mexico and other countries to 609 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 1: see if we can stop the flow, but that's the difference. 610 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:57,480 Speaker 1: Thank you, and that's it. He took off left the room. 611 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:00,880 Speaker 1: That was the end of it. Uh, what's your thought 612 00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: on this, Rick, the way it's being managed by the 613 00:33:02,800 --> 00:33:05,480 Speaker 1: White House, because Republicans seem to be in sync. The 614 00:33:05,520 --> 00:33:08,920 Speaker 1: president there told us why they could not go back 615 00:33:08,960 --> 00:33:12,400 Speaker 1: to their countries, but never really followed up with a solution. Yeah, no, 616 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: the idea that somehow you know he's got like a 617 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:17,760 Speaker 1: handle on this because there are fewer immigrants from Honduras 618 00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: but more from Venezuela, is nuts. Right. Those aren't talking 619 00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,160 Speaker 1: points that are going to cause you to be on 620 00:33:23,280 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: top of the Immigration Uh. is his point that it's 621 00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: different because we'd have to fly them home or fly 622 00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 1: them to a dangerous place or both. It's it's all 623 00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,400 Speaker 1: got to do with economics and crime, right, and it 624 00:33:33,800 --> 00:33:36,160 Speaker 1: vacillates in all these areas, right. I mean we all 625 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:39,719 Speaker 1: remember the first waves of immigration that we can remember 626 00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 1: in the nineteen eighties was all out of Cuba and 627 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: nobody was paying any attention to Honduras or Nicaragua. So 628 00:33:45,920 --> 00:33:49,160 Speaker 1: the bottom line is there's no border strategy that this 629 00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:53,080 Speaker 1: administration is perfected. They don't have a worker guest worker 630 00:33:53,160 --> 00:33:55,440 Speaker 1: program that's been effective, they don't have a way to 631 00:33:55,480 --> 00:33:59,600 Speaker 1: facilitate asylum and and look, I think that the idea 632 00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,400 Speaker 1: that you're importing immigrants from Texas to Florida to fly 633 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:04,800 Speaker 1: them to Delaware is a joke, right. I mean like 634 00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:07,160 Speaker 1: we should all be laughing about this, not having the 635 00:34:07,200 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 1: press secretary of the White House take it seriously. Um, 636 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:12,480 Speaker 1: the reality is it's just a political stunt, and we 637 00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:14,759 Speaker 1: ought to say stunts are not, you know, useful at 638 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,279 Speaker 1: solving a problem. You want to solve the problem, this 639 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:20,480 Speaker 1: administration has to have a border strategy and and the 640 00:34:20,520 --> 00:34:22,520 Speaker 1: fact that there are two years into this and they're 641 00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: going to go into the midterm election cycle with like 642 00:34:25,000 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: an explanation that, oh, they all came through a different 643 00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,480 Speaker 1: road so we weren't prepared, is not an explanation. So, Jeannie, 644 00:34:31,520 --> 00:34:34,000 Speaker 1: what did you want to hear Joe Biden say today? 645 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:35,960 Speaker 1: They they set it up for him. He wasn't getting 646 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:38,920 Speaker 1: out of the room without answering this question. Yeah, you know, 647 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:43,000 Speaker 1: this goes back, predates a Joe Biden by many, many 648 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,640 Speaker 1: years and many presidents. This has been the issue that 649 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 1: has vexed Republican and Democratic presidents alike going back decades, 650 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:53,560 Speaker 1: and he is no exception to that. Every single thinking 651 00:34:53,600 --> 00:34:56,840 Speaker 1: person in this country realizes we have an immigration migration 652 00:34:56,960 --> 00:34:59,880 Speaker 1: crisis that needs to be addressed. It hasn't been addressed 653 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 1: this presidency and it wasn't addressed in the previous ones. 654 00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: But the reality is what we're seeing here is politics 655 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:09,440 Speaker 1: by performance. We know we have a problem. There should 656 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:13,440 Speaker 1: be policy solutions. There are everything from Dacca, which should 657 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 1: not be that difficult to get through. None of this 658 00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: has been addressed and Republicans have no plan to do 659 00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:22,799 Speaker 1: it either, and these stunts that they are continuing to 660 00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,719 Speaker 1: do are simply aimed at making their opponents look bad, 661 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,760 Speaker 1: meaning to Santis an Abbott, rather than addressing the problem. 662 00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:32,520 Speaker 1: If these guys were serious, they would be in Washington 663 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:35,240 Speaker 1: and they would be talking about how can we address 664 00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: this issue. None of that has happened and it's distressing 665 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,319 Speaker 1: and should be for all Americans. The president was asked 666 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: today directly about the de Santis idea, by the way, 667 00:35:43,200 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: of flying migrants to Delaware as he was trying to 668 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 1: get out of the room. You know, it's just been 669 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,160 Speaker 1: their shouting questions at him, and he had what he thought, 670 00:35:53,160 --> 00:36:01,759 Speaker 1: I guess, was a humorous answers. He should come visit, 671 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 1: you should come visit. We have a beautiful shore line. 672 00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:10,399 Speaker 1: Then the door said, how about the door in that room? 673 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:12,920 Speaker 1: By the way, I mean talking. That is a dramatic exit. 674 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:16,880 Speaker 1: So you do it, don't let it. Uh. So. What 675 00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:19,640 Speaker 1: do you think then, Jennie? Is that the way to 676 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,279 Speaker 1: close the conversation? No, it's not. They had a one 677 00:36:22,320 --> 00:36:25,040 Speaker 1: month old baby on that plane that arrived here and 678 00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:27,840 Speaker 1: came to D c. He should be talking about the 679 00:36:27,880 --> 00:36:30,040 Speaker 1: seriousness of this issue and the fact that you don't 680 00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 1: play politics and performance politics with people's lives, and he 681 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,799 Speaker 1: should be talking about solutions to this issue, not, you know, 682 00:36:37,000 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 1: inviting people to visit the shore, which is beautiful. Rick, 683 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 1: I don't think he's sagging on into Santis. He's just 684 00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,279 Speaker 1: trying to deflect it because he's honestly getting under his 685 00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,960 Speaker 1: uh you know, uh ire. I mean like this is 686 00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:53,960 Speaker 1: actually stopping the White House from getting something productive done 687 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,919 Speaker 1: on it. So Do Santis, you know, is getting more 688 00:36:57,000 --> 00:36:59,240 Speaker 1: credit for this than he should. It's not a solution 689 00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,840 Speaker 1: of the problem. Compreendis Davis in New York, Genie Chanzano 690 00:37:02,960 --> 00:37:05,440 Speaker 1: in D C. I'm Joe Matthew. This is Bloomberg