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Speaker 1: for listening to the Herd Podcast. Welcome in hour two.

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Speaker 1: It is a Thursday. This interesting. So yesterday Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: spoke for the first time McAfee show since like the

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Speaker 1: season ended, and I defended Aaron Rodgers all year. I

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Speaker 1: said a lot of people were punishing him like pff

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Speaker 1: because he wasn't rolling the ball down the field, and

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Speaker 1: I'm like, they have one receiver. So yesterday, he's still

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Speaker 1: unclear if he's coming back to Pittsburgh. But I will say,

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Speaker 1: if you had an NFL quarterback draft today with everybody

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Speaker 1: three to four years, yeah, Aaron's not to If you

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Speaker 1: had a quarterback draft for next year, only Aaron Rodgers

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Speaker 1: would make my top ten. And you think that's crazy.

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Speaker 1: But the Steelers were a broken, dysfunctional offense. They went

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Speaker 1: from twenty third in sacks to ninth. They went from

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Speaker 1: ten to giveaways to fourth. Red zone was almost dead

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Speaker 1: last in the league. To top eleven yards after the catch,

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Speaker 1: they were first. They averaged more yards per play than

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Speaker 1: Liam Cohen, Trevor Lawrence and the Jags, and they averaged

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Speaker 1: more points than the Philadelphia stacked Eagles. So to me,

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Speaker 1: I thought Aaron had a great year. It was a

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Speaker 1: completely broken ecosystem. Offensively, they didn't turn it over, they

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Speaker 1: didn't have penalties, they were good in the red zone,

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Speaker 1: they were good after the catch. That's Aaron. What else changed?

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Speaker 1: It was Aaron. So I think again, if you're talking

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Speaker 1: one year, I think he's a top ten quarterback. Matt

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Speaker 2: I think he wants to play football, but with a

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Speaker 2: caveat only somewhere that plays in his offense, with his verbiage,

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Speaker 2: someone that age, I lived it. You don't want to

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Speaker 2: try to learn a new language. You don't you like

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Speaker 2: if it's if it's in Pittsburgh with Mike McCarthy or

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Speaker 2: someone that runs that same offense, yes, if it's not,

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Speaker 2: then no, he doesn't want to get in the huddle

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Speaker 2: and have to think about red left, swap tight flows

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Speaker 2: I on onet ready break like. He doesn't want to

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Speaker 2: do that. He doesn't want to wear a wristband. He

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Speaker 2: wants to own the offense.

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Speaker 3: And so it's got to be in that kind of

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Speaker 3: as system for him to come back.

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Speaker 1: In my mind, yeah, I you know, for seventeen games,

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Speaker 1: I would take Aaron over all, but about eight guys

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Speaker 1: But go, look, go what the Steelers were, and just

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Speaker 1: by adding Aaron, look what they became, like a functional offense.

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Speaker 1: Now they have Mike McCarthy, So I have like an

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Speaker 1: adult offensive coach, Dak Cooper rush Aaron. I honestly think

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Speaker 1: with Baltimore right now in Cincinnati's ridiculousness, I'm not so

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Speaker 1: sure I wouldn't have Aaron in Pittsburgh winning the division

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Speaker 1: with McCarthy. I really, I mean, say what you want

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Speaker 1: this head coach. They've already got the staff laid out.

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Speaker 1: You know, McCarthy has always been good at elevating. They

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Speaker 1: I think he's coming back. And with that, here's breaking news.

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Speaker 1: Shalms just reported Jason Tatum, just ten months after surgery

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Speaker 1: for a ruptured achilles Jason Tatum will play. He's making

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Speaker 1: his debut is at tomorrow against the Dallas Mavericks, joining

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Speaker 1: US Live. Jason Temph, host of Hoops Tonight at the Volume,

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Speaker 1: had him on a couple of weeks ago. Got great feedback.

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Speaker 1: All right, So I always say this when it comes

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Speaker 1: to young athletes in their prime, they always heal faster.

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Speaker 1: They always show up three months before. Okay, So the

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Speaker 1: Knicks have been playing well. We worry about their defense.

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Speaker 1: The Pistons are good, but you know their half guard offense,

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Speaker 1: there's a ceiling on it. Tatum to the Celtics. Are

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Speaker 4: You know, there's this thing with culture. This season for

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Speaker 4: And last night the Celtics ran into a Charlotte Hornet's

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Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, conversation for another day, But that is

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Speaker 4: an incredible basketball team they're building out there in Charlotte.

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Speaker 4: But the Celtics got their butt kicks, and there were

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Speaker 4: big difference between last year's center rotation and this year's

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Speaker 4: it was one of the primary driving forces behind them

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Speaker 4: winning the title, most famously breaking that Dallas offense by

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Speaker 4: And so again, it's all fun and games. This has

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Speaker 4: been a very impressive season for Boston, but they need

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Speaker 4: Jason Tatum. He unlocks their defensive versatility. Jalen Brown on offense.

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Speaker 4: He's had a very good season, but he's shown some

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Speaker 4: susceptibility to certain types of looks. He specifically struggled against

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Speaker 4: to them last night. Jason Tatum gives you another guy

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Speaker 4: and specifically Jason Tatum is a much better passer, and

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Speaker 4: it's something that, as we talked about, it'll be a

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Speaker 4: ultimately you will make them more versatile on both ends

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Speaker 4: of the floor and make them a much better team

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Speaker 1: All Right, I watched every second of the Nicks hammering

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Speaker 1: So you know, and you know this, Jason. Regular seasons

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Speaker 1: the Knicks aren't built for that. Maybe, but I will

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Speaker 1: say we worried about Tibbs. Oh, here's Mike Brown. They're

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Speaker 4: You know what's funny, I told you this last a

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Speaker 4: couple of weeks ago. I believe in this team more

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Speaker 4: the biggest things he's emphasized is early dribble penetration. The

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Speaker 4: Knicks generate the second most spot up opportunities in the

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Speaker 4: entire NBA this season. Last year they were middle of

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Speaker 4: just a guy standing open on the perimeter. That's where

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Speaker 4: half court. They are running better offense, they're playing better defense,

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Speaker 4: but my concern was the rest of the league had

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Speaker 4: Colin is their matchups against some of these better teams

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Speaker 4: San Antonio Spurs YEP, and the San Antonio Spurs match

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Speaker 4: easy for me to sit here and be like, Oh,

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Speaker 4: do I think the Knicks can beat the Thunder in

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Speaker 4: the series? No, I don't. I don't think Brunson can

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Speaker 4: go blow for blow with Shay. I don't think they

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Speaker 4: have close to the defensive versatility. There's all sorts of

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Speaker 4: to me like, there's a lot of things with them,

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Speaker 4: me to recalibrate how I view them compared to other

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Speaker 4: Knicks have had their number this year. Their bigger wings

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Speaker 4: physical with Wemby, Brunson's outplay Deer and Fox. They look

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Speaker 4: really good in that matchup. And so as I was

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Speaker 4: looking at that Knicks game against the Spurs last week,

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Speaker 4: I was like, Man, if things break right, this Knicks

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Speaker 4: team absolutely could win the title this year.

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Speaker 5: All right.

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Speaker 1: So everybody bangs on SGA and my take is he

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Speaker 1: doesn't have Lebron size and verticality. You know, he doesn't

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Speaker 1: like most of the great route runners in NFL history

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Speaker 1: he's six six and a buck ninety four. He's got

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Speaker 4: Is complicated because I do think that the fougrifting thing

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Speaker 4: is a problem. Like, I'm sorry, but when we're watching

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Speaker 4: Kat and just throws up some BS shot that he

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Speaker 4: would never take unless he was trying to draw foul,

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Speaker 4: I do think that's a bad television product. I just

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Speaker 4: think that's a league wide issue and I can't really

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Speaker 4: get on Shay about it when Luca does the same

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Speaker 4: thing and Jalen Brunson does the same thing, and man,

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Speaker 4: even Jokic has been flopping so much as of late. Like,

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Speaker 4: it's just a league wide problem. So I don't really

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Speaker 4: see the point in targeting Shay specifically because he's not

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Speaker 4: the only guy that's doing it now. The stuff about

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Speaker 4: To me, it comes down to that exact concept you're

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Speaker 4: talking about. Footwork is fascinating to a football like to

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Speaker 4: for Shay's footwork is like bizarre, slinky athleticism. His shot

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Speaker 4: He doesn't get the crazy dunks like Lebron. He doesn't

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Speaker 1: Boy, as you see this, the Dodgers are just bringing

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Speaker 10: chance that Sean McVay moves off.

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Speaker 5: So there, this.

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Speaker 1: Is their time right now.

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Speaker 10: I can't wrap my brain around Sean McVay stamping that

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Speaker 10: and saying, yeah, let's get a quarterback for the future. Oh,

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Speaker 10: by the way, he's not going to be anywhere close

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Speaker 10: to his talented to Stafford, and I might not even

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Speaker 10: be here to coach him.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you could cross Ty Simpson off your wish list

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Speaker 3: for the Rams. That's not happening. I love that insight

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Speaker 3: from mc daniemi.

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Speaker 5: Would you agree or no.

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Speaker 1: I think they're going to sign Stafford to a two

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Speaker 1: year deal and this year they're going for it. Trent

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Speaker 1: McDuffie move. They've got to get a tackle, they've got

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Speaker 1: to get a safety, preferably in another wide receiver. But

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Speaker 1: they don't have a lot of needs. That's why I

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Speaker 1: think they have one first round pick left. I think

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Speaker 1: mackay lemon at usc solves their punt woes punt returns.

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Speaker 1: He's got great hands and gives them a third target

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Speaker 1: because Pooka and Devonte Adams get dinged up. So that

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Speaker 1: their lemon would make their offense in a right tackle.

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Speaker 1: I mean literally, it was number one in the league

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Speaker 1: last year. It would be flawless. I do think what

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Speaker 1: was interesting, Jason, they gave up not only a first

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Speaker 1: this year, they gave up a third next year. So

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Speaker 1: the Rams next year have a first round pick and

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Speaker 1: a second round pick, but they now don't have a

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Speaker 1: third or a fourth. And you know they're gonna be good, right,

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Speaker 1: You and I both though the Rams will be good.

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Speaker 1: So how do they go from the twenty eighth to

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Speaker 1: twenty ninth thirtieth pick to go get the future quarterback?

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Speaker 1: You can't because they Now That's why it's surprising McDuffie.

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Speaker 1: I'm not surprised they gave up a first or a

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Speaker 1: fifth and a sixth. I'm surprised they gave up a

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Speaker 1: third next year because now they don't have a third

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Speaker 1: or a fourth next year and they've got just a second. Well,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna have to give up more than a second

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Speaker 1: to go from the twenty ninth thirtieth pick to number six. Yes,

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Speaker 1: so you'll have to move off players potentially, and they

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Speaker 1: have the depth that could probably do it. But that

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Speaker 1: was interesting to me. Is that I get this year

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Speaker 1: going all in. But I thought they I thought honestly,

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Speaker 1: if they moved off Garoppolo, they would take picks and

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Speaker 1: they would just say put him in next year's class,

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Speaker 1: which is very attractive the team. So I don't think.

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Speaker 1: I don't think mcvay's retire.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, listen, if they go to the super

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Speaker 3: Bowl next year, that will be three super Bowl trips

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Speaker 3: for him in what like seven or eight years. Remember

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Speaker 3: the one with goth then they won one with Stafford,

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Speaker 3: and then they go to another one next year. That's

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Speaker 3: a pretty great run. And he's almost walked away. Remember

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Speaker 3: all this chatter, is he going to go to a

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Speaker 3: streaming service? Is he going to go to uh, you know,

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Speaker 3: do some studio work. There's been a lot of that.

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Speaker 3: This guy runs hot, Colin, he's all in, and then

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Speaker 3: he's he was the closest stepping away. Come on, you

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Speaker 3: give me another super Bowl. I think he's out, and

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Speaker 3: I think Kingsbury would be a great fit there.

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Speaker 1: But these people, people that work at lug nut factories

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Speaker 1: or long haul truckers, they retire because a beatdown football

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Speaker 1: coach making fifteen million dollars a year, loving what you

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Speaker 1: do in your kind of cognitive prime retire to what? Well, golf?

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Speaker 3: Step away, take some time off. So, by the way,

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Speaker 3: doesn't have a kid, submit with the wife?

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, what time? You can only hang out so much?

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Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, what when you have an owner like

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Speaker 1: stan Kronk, a good GM, you have a stacked roster,

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Speaker 1: you walk away if you're coach of the Jets or

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Speaker 1: that I get, But then you don't have any success

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Speaker 1: or money.

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Speaker 3: So what's the point? He mcdag will have both success

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Speaker 3: and a lot of money.

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Speaker 1: You know what, you only get half of it in

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Speaker 1: La so in e.

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Speaker 3: Complaining about the taxes. You can you could go outside

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Speaker 3: eleven months a year. Haven't you seen his spread? They

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Speaker 3: had the free they had the draft set up at

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Speaker 3: his house like a museum. It was so ridiculous.

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Speaker 1: Known by mcveigh's what are these guys retiring to? They

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Speaker 1: don't play bridge?

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Speaker 3: Hey, I gave you this two days ago and now

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Speaker 3: it comes out Colin. It's almost like one of us

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Speaker 3: is kind of plugged in on the rams. Anyways, let's

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Speaker 3: move on. Let's move on to the Dallas Cowboys. Jerry Jones.

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Speaker 3: Here's our obligatory weekly reference to the Cowboys. They've made

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Speaker 3: a lot of salary, cap restructuring moves, Dak Prescott, Ceedee Lamb,

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Speaker 3: Tyler Smith creating cap space. Obviously, Jerry Jones interested in

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Speaker 3: moving up. Well, here's Dak about the possibility of adding

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Speaker 3: adding veterans to the roster.

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Speaker 5: Heck, yeah, most definitely.

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Speaker 8: Especially what was I said, no projects or what are

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Speaker 8: we need guys now to play?

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Speaker 5: Yeah?

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Speaker 8: No red shirts or whatever. Yeah, I mean we got

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Speaker 8: a coach in the second year.

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Speaker 5: We know what we've had.

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Speaker 8: We had some ups and downs and shown some good

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Speaker 8: moments last year, and this is this is the year

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Speaker 8: that you make a big jump and getting big time

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Speaker 8: players who can help immediately as a key part of that.

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Speaker 1: All right, Yes, the captures my set about. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to be looking up at the New York Giants anyways.

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Speaker 3: A matter I will say, I'm liking this Giant's love

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Speaker 3: for you because as a Jets fan, I dislike the Giants.

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Speaker 3: So now I can just go back and forth, and

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Speaker 3: fortunately for me, there's a lot of AMMO for the Giants.

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Speaker 3: Things are not as copasetic as you seem to think

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Speaker 3: they are with mister Harball there. But we'll see by

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Speaker 3: the way you see the video of Jackson Dart. He's

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Speaker 3: flying with the with the unwashed masses and coach unlike you.

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00:27:22,080 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 3: He's just flying around and meeting kids and kissing babies.

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Speaker 3: They love Jackson Dart, they love Harball. We'll see about

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Speaker 3: your Giants. Final story Colin another nfcast team, Philadelphia Eagles,

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Speaker 3: AJ Brown. We now have a report that indicates Philly

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Speaker 3: is chasing a quote Quinn Williams type deal for AJ Brown.

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Speaker 3: I will remind you what the Jets got for Quinn Williams.

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Speaker 3: They got a second round pick in this year's draft,

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Speaker 3: a first next year in what's expected to be a

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Speaker 3: great draft, and a defensive tackle in Mazzy Smith. I

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Speaker 3: don't know if he's a starter rotational guy, but a one,

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Speaker 3: A two and a player AJ Brown gets anything near that. No,

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Speaker 3: I would have said Noah two hours ago. And then

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Speaker 3: the Dj Moore deal.

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Speaker 1: I could say, a one and a player and he's

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Speaker 1: not going to be a Pro Bowl player. I'll give

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Speaker 1: you a one and like a number three corner. Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: I'm not giving you a one, a two and a

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Speaker 1: star defensive tackle. No, he's expensive and he can be.

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Speaker 1: There's a maintenance, maintain.

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Speaker 3: That's a nice way to put it. But that's weird

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Speaker 3: because DJ Moore again, I don't want to diminish what

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Speaker 3: he's done. Like you said, he's always available, he's great,

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Speaker 3: He's not much of a locker room issue.

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Speaker 5: Guy.

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Speaker 3: AJ Brown is considerably higher on any list of best

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Speaker 3: receivers in the league than DJ Moore.

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Speaker 1: Correct.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, there's not a top ten and that's not to

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Speaker 3: knock him.

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Speaker 1: No, DJ Moore is excellent.

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Speaker 3: He's very, very good.

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Speaker 1: I would say AJ Brown's a top five receiver. GJ

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Speaker 1: Moore is a one so, but I like DJ Moore

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Speaker 1: a lot. AJ Brown is different, but you get some

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Speaker 1: stuff with AJ Brown. That's okay. He's a very unique

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Speaker 1: body type. Corners don't very I mean, Christian Gonzalez could

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Speaker 1: line up with him because of his size and strength

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Speaker 1: the Patriots corner. Most corners just don't. They don't match

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Speaker 1: up very well with AJ Brown's you know, size and

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Speaker 1: girth and length and power.

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Speaker 3: So DJ Moore is twenty eight turns twenty nine next month.

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Speaker 3: AJ Brown, who is one of the best one on

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Speaker 3: one receivers in the league. He's twenty eight turns twenty

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Speaker 3: nine in June so the ages are actually, you know,

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Speaker 3: a few months apart.

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Speaker 8: I don't.

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Speaker 3: I'm starting to think aj Brown is not gonna get

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Speaker 3: moved color. I think the asking price is gonna.

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Speaker 5: Be du hie.

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Speaker 3: How he drives a hard bargain and you know.

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Speaker 1: What, Hey, clean it up.

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Speaker 3: Figure it out, Siriani, Get your quarterback in your wide

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Speaker 3: receiver to hang out. Get him to go to David

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Speaker 3: Busters and play some play some games and bond.

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Speaker 1: Okay, Well have you been to David Busters? Yeah? In fact,

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Speaker 1: I've been to David Busters in Philadelphia.

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Speaker 8: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Thanks, I know it's right on the isn't it on

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Speaker 1: the Delaware?

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Speaker 3: It's yeah, I believe, so listen, it's no Chuck E cheese.

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Speaker 3: By the way, where I had my birthday, went.

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Speaker 1: To Davon Busters. I was covering a Tampa Bay Lightning

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Speaker 1: Flyers series. It was great, by the way, it was

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Speaker 1: a wild series. Philadelphia is a nutty hockey town and

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Speaker 1: I went to the Dave and Busters. I'd never been

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Speaker 1: to a David Busters. I thought it was pretty good.

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Speaker 3: Was that what you took a girl on a dat

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Speaker 3: or you just went there to hang?

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Speaker 1: I just I was covering NHL hockey as a Hockey Insider,

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Speaker 1: and I went and I went for lunch and played.

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Speaker 3: Video games and I liked it, love it.

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Speaker 1: There you go, J Mack with a new.

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Speaker 6: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the

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Speaker 6: herd line new.

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Speaker 1: I know, J Mack, I told you when I moved

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Speaker 1: to LA the Dodgers weren't this good. The USC didn't

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Speaker 1: have Lincoln Riley, the Chargers were down in San Diego,

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Speaker 1: and Lakers dumpster fire. But they were a dumpster fire.

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Speaker 1: So I'm kind of good. I'm good luck for your

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Speaker 1: sports team. I moved to Chicago. Bears are out there

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Speaker 1: if they signed Max Crosby. I moved to Chicago, like

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Speaker 1: Bears are Like, I can't fix the Bulls. I got

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Speaker 1: season tickets. Forget it, but that Bears DJ Moore. Now

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Speaker 1: the Bears have a second second round pick.

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Speaker 6: That is some.

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Speaker 1: Wheeling and dealing by Ryan Poles.

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Speaker 3: He he has done some Well. Can you use your

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Speaker 3: superpowers to help the White Sox or are they also lost?

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Speaker 1: Cause not my responsibility. Okay, and I'm Blackhawks Cubs season tickets.

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Speaker 3: Hey, maybe I'll have to come out to Chicago. We'll

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Speaker 3: go to a Bears game together. September only I'm not

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Speaker 3: coming into.

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Speaker 1: fielder's number left fielder. You don't have the arm for

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Speaker 1: to do infield, I'm third.

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Speaker 3: You cannot handle the hot corner way, no way.

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Speaker 1: So you know it's funny. I'm on the interweb here.

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Speaker 1: Everybody is crushing Buffalo because they gave up a second

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Speaker 1: round pick to get DJ Moore. They got DJ Moore

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Speaker 1: in a fifth round pick. Okay, so to get a

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Speaker 1: number one receiver who, by the way, has worked with

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Speaker 1: Joe Brady before. Remember, you're not just getting a star receiver.

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Speaker 1: You're getting a star receiver with Josh Allen. Okay, if

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Speaker 1: Mitch Trubisky's my quarterback, I'm not giving up a second

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Speaker 1: round pick. But I know that DJ Moore is going

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Speaker 1: to be really productive because I got Josh Allen and

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Speaker 1: an offensive coach. So right now, the Buffalo Bills have

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Speaker 1: a first round pick, a third of four, two fives,

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Speaker 1: two sevens. That's fine. Their needs are all defensively, so

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Speaker 1: I mean again, they've got tight ends, a running back,

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Speaker 1: a left tackle, a quarterback, a line's fine. Now they've

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Speaker 1: got a sideline receiver, a slot receiver, and an emerging

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Speaker 1: player in Keon Coleman who knows Joe Brady likes him.

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Speaker 1: So they're just getting clobbered. I am much more willing

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Speaker 1: to give up a good draft pick if it is

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Speaker 1: a pick that will work alongside one of my best players.

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Speaker 1: So right like when the Rams had Aaron Donald, you

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Speaker 1: knew that von Miller, though past his prime, would be

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Speaker 1: successful because you have to double Aaron Donald. So I'll

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Speaker 1: give up something for von Miller, even if he's expensive

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Speaker 1: and past his prime. He ended up being on a

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Speaker 1: super Bowl team. Again, if I have a great quarterback,

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, or I have a Justin Herbert, or I

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Speaker 1: have a Josh Allen. I'm gonna give up more to

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Speaker 1: get a receiver or a player that is in his

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Speaker 1: purview or in a complimentary player to his skills. So

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Speaker 1: DJ Moore can beat people deep Josh Allen as they

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Speaker 1: move into a stadium that was constructed to allow less

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Speaker 1: wind in the stadium. So it's reasonable to think that

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Speaker 1: Buffalo will late in the season have more options to

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Speaker 1: throw the ball down the field. Allen's a great deep

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Speaker 1: ball thrower. DJ can go underneath, drag, seam or deep.

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Speaker 1: So if I get DJ Moore and a fifth round pick,

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Speaker 1: what do you think I'm I'm gonna give up? We

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Speaker 1: have a you know, I don't know. I thought a

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Speaker 1: straight swap it would be for a four. But if

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Speaker 1: I get DJ and a fifth, you know, I get it.

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Speaker 1: You'd probably prefer a third, but I don't know. They

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Speaker 1: still have a first and a third, and they just

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Speaker 1: got a star receiver. It's also not a great wide

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Speaker 1: receiver draft. There's a kid out of Arizona State, There's

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Speaker 1: Carnell Tate, There's Lemon out of USC It's not a

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Speaker 1: great wide receiver draft. So they're just getting clobbered. Everybody's

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Speaker 1: just they're just hating on the Buffalo Bills. And I

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Speaker 1: don't think it was. I mean, Ryan Poles, I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you what, he got a lot out of DJ Moore.

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Speaker 1: He Dj Moore and Ryan Poles. He you know, Ryan

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Speaker 1: Poles has has worked that player and then very well

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Speaker 1: for himself. You think Buffalo got smoked, Jason, I.

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Speaker 3: Did, yes, So I did a quick search on the internet.

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Speaker 3: I'm going through some data here. So the Buffalo pick

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Speaker 3: that goes to the Bears is pick number sixty, the

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Speaker 3: second round pick. Right, I'm looking through Pro Bowlers, All pros.

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Speaker 3: So I'll just rattle off some of the guys in

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Speaker 3: the last twenty five years who have gone in that

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Speaker 3: range fifty nine to sixty sixty one, right, Ryan Khalil,

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Speaker 3: first Team All Pro, great offensive lineman, Maurice Jones, Drew

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Speaker 3: who was one of the better running backs of his era,

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Speaker 3: Vince Jackson, Vincent Jackson, wide receiver, Eddie Lacy, pretty damn

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Speaker 3: good running back, Golden Tate, Alan Robinson, those are Tellis Bennett.

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Speaker 3: Those are all very good players. That's what I would say.

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Speaker 3: DJ Moore pretty much is so. But when you add

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Speaker 3: Moore's contract and age, I think you lean toward the

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Speaker 3: cheaper second round pick. Agree or no?

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Speaker 1: I mean DJ Moore's not thirty four. He's a highly

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Speaker 1: productive guy who I think remember Buffalo is desperate for

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Speaker 1: a sideline receiver. Yes, they need one. Well, the Rams

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Speaker 1: have a dun Day Luther Burden, they had DJ Moore,

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Speaker 1: they have two tight ends, they have two excellent running backs.

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Speaker 1: Caleb Williams is highly perduductive with his feet, so you

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Speaker 1: can say, oh, DJ Moore only had blank yards. He

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Speaker 1: only had like six hundred sum yards for the Bears.

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Speaker 1: Is it reasonable to think he will be a bigger

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Speaker 1: portion of the offense for Buffalo the passing of Absolutely,

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Speaker 1: it's reasonable to think he's gonna be kind of the

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Speaker 1: missing piece. They've got a nice slot receiver, they got

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Speaker 1: nice tight ends, they don't have a downfield receiver. He's

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Speaker 1: gonna get twelve targets a game.

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Speaker 3: So again, it's I mean, were you could say we're

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Speaker 3: splitting hairs. They were desperate, right, they need a receiver.

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Speaker 3: I think this is a bad look for the key

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Speaker 3: On Coleman situation, when you got the owner blasting Coleman,

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Speaker 3: who they wiped on in the draft, and now you

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Speaker 3: get a receiver. Coleman feels like the odd man out,

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Speaker 3: but you got your outside guy in more, your slot

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Speaker 3: guy in Shaquiros.

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Speaker 1: The Buffalo bill said, listen, we're not gonna wait for

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Speaker 1: Keon Coleman to grow up. If he does great, we're

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Speaker 1: not gonna wait for him to grow up. And you

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Speaker 1: know so, I think Buffalo did fine, and I think Chicago,

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Speaker 1: because of Drew Dolman's retirement, needed a second round pick. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Bears moving off DJ Moore. Not that his body

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Speaker 1: language was bad, but I felt he got frustrated last

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Speaker 1: year at times because they were throwing to Colston Lovelin

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Speaker 1: and Luther Burden in big spots and they were running

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Speaker 1: the ball effectively. So it did feel like sometimes DJ

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Speaker 1: Moore was lost in his body language something he'd get frustrated.

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Speaker 1: But I just don't think he was that valuable. Roma Dunze,

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Speaker 1: Luther Burden are ascending players, inexpensive players, running backs. Room

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Speaker 1: is great, tight end room is excellent. I just I

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Speaker 1: just don't think he's as valuable. And what's valuable as

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Speaker 1: getting another second round pick to get the center.

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Speaker 3: Now you're on the ground floor there in Chicago. But

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Speaker 3: the Bears fans I have that are texting me are like, listen,

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Speaker 3: Luther Burden is going to be better than DJ Moore.

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Speaker 1: We will forget about more pretty twitch to hold.

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Speaker 3: I feel like a playoff game. Was it the Packers

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Speaker 3: or Rams? One of those games Colting just kept getting open.

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Speaker 3: Might have been the Niners game Latency, It was the

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Speaker 3: Niners game.

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Speaker 1: Colt Evan Loveland could be a pro bowler next year. Yes,

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Speaker 1: that that's going to be the center. The centerpiece of

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Speaker 1: their offense is going to be Colston Loveland and Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 1: That's a run game.

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Speaker 3: The run game. Ben Johnson sets that up, and that

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Speaker 3: sets up everything, opens up everything. I will just say

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Speaker 3: the Bills are all in right now right They're.

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Speaker 5: Like the Rams.

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Speaker 3: We got to maximize, Josh, we've got a small window.

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Speaker 3: We just fired our coach. The Bears are building something.

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Speaker 3: They got some runway here. Next four or five years,

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Speaker 3: Bears are going to be the elite team in the NFC.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. We had Rick Battino on yesterday and we had

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Speaker 1: Mark few on today. We've been talking some college basketball

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Speaker 1: as we get ready for March Madness. One of the

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Speaker 1: things I really appreciate. It's one thing if somebody successful.

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Speaker 1: A lot of people are successful. I'm always impressed by

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Speaker 1: people like Spielberg, you know, fifty years just putting out

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Speaker 1: incredible content. Brady's winning super Bowls in two and three decades.

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Speaker 1: But you know, I asked Rick Bettino when he came

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Speaker 1: on the show yesterday, I said, you know, well, Roy

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Speaker 1: Williams retired, coach k retired, Jay Williams left. You know

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Speaker 1: a lot of the coaches just you know, Dabo Sweeney

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Speaker 1: does not like the nil. The late Bobby Knight despised

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Speaker 1: one and done. And I asked, Patino, you've been doing

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Speaker 1: this fifty plus years. You got Kentucky thirty years ago

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Speaker 1: to a natty Louisville twenty. You know, years and years

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Speaker 1: later he got Louisville. Now he was coach of the year.

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Speaker 1: How are you able to just keep the energy up

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Speaker 1: going forward.

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Speaker 11: I think I can adjust to just about anything, because

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Speaker 11: you have to adjust today. You see it all the time.

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Speaker 11: All the sports change. The coaches that don't want to

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Speaker 11: change get out. And I wasn't ready to get out

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Speaker 11: because they took two years off and my golf wasn't

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Speaker 11: very good. Some of the things going to the racetrack.

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Speaker 11: I was losing too much money, so I like to

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Speaker 11: keep the money in my pocket and coach basketball.

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Speaker 1: And he's done great for Saint John's. They've got seven

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Speaker 1: different players, seven different foreign countries. And as Mark Few

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Speaker 1: talked about these international players, we're buying them. Our economy

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Speaker 1: is big enough. I mean, the Dow is down eleven

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Speaker 1: hundred today, but our economy is big enough that the

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Speaker 1: NIL is sort of jet fuel to the top basketball programs,

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Speaker 1: and now Saint John's is one of those programs. It

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Speaker 1: also honestly helps that Syracuse has got into the tank,

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Speaker 1: so that gives Saint John's, you know, a little bit

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Speaker 1: of runway here to make up ground. But you know,

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Speaker 1: it was just funny to watch when Brady left, how

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Speaker 1: very successful Bill Belichick aged overnight. And it's just like

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Speaker 1: rigidity punctures. Even the smartest coaches gotta adapt, gotta be flexible.

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Speaker 1: Our three coming up on a Thursday,