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Speaker 1: an important warning. Cyber starking has hit home from my family.
Speaker 1: He actually came to my house and broke in while
Speaker 1: we were away. He was a pedophile. That was scary.
Speaker 1: My niece Jade is being tormented. She was just basically
Speaker 1: threatening me, stalking me. By the past eight plus years
Speaker 1: since COVID, this alarming issue has risen over seven The
Speaker 1: amount of information that can be used to target somebody
Speaker 1: is overwhelming. I got a random message saying I've got
Speaker 1: naked pictures of you. They sent extremely dangerous people to
Speaker 1: my home to do unspeakable harm to my family. Well,
Speaker 1: the first thing, the most important thing you can do,
Speaker 1: is oh, you just cracked the case wide open from
Speaker 1: my mind. We're sharing a frightening incident that's recently happened
Speaker 1: in our family. You had a situation, yeah, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: cyber stalking turned into real life stalking. Yeah. I'm used
Speaker 1: to people saying things online. I'm used to having thousands
Speaker 1: and thousands of people with not very good things to say.
Speaker 1: I've been cyber bullied for my whole life. Cyber stalking
Speaker 1: is a little bit more insidious and scary because it's
Speaker 1: like checking the GEO tags on your photos and they're like,
Speaker 1: where do they go for their Christmas vacations? Where did
Speaker 1: they go with their family when they're over here. They're
Speaker 1: watching all of your social media accounts to see what
Speaker 1: your movements are. And this guy was doing that to me,
Speaker 1: and he was doing that to me for a couple
Speaker 1: of years. Actually, he basically got my patterns. During December
Speaker 1: when we were gone for family vacation. He actually came
Speaker 1: to my house and broke in while we were away. Yeah, crazy,
Speaker 1: crazy times crazy justin up waiting for you to come
Speaker 1: home and found a little camp behind the house. Thank
Speaker 1: god I wasn't there. That was scary. It was scary.
Speaker 1: We caught him exactly. There was footage on the cameras
Speaker 1: that was a physical trespassing situation, and he had priors.
Speaker 1: His priors were scary. Um he was a pedophile. So
Speaker 1: I ended up having to go to court and testify
Speaker 1: about it. They only gave me like a certain amount
Speaker 1: of time for a restraining order. I wanted to extend it,
Speaker 1: but for some reason they said that I couldn't and
Speaker 1: I would have to testify again. I would have to
Speaker 1: come back to court again. Well, the good thing is
Speaker 1: he is in custody. So how did you feel going
Speaker 1: back to your home though? Did you feel besides just
Speaker 1: feeling violated, were you fearful? Um? I mean yeah, I wash,
Speaker 1: but my mind is very extreme, and so it was
Speaker 1: almost like, okay, like you're going to be scared, just leave.
Speaker 1: Then it's either leave or stay. There's no in between.
Speaker 1: We went in and shored everything up. We shored it up.
Speaker 1: We got you loaded and protected. Once they got all
Speaker 1: the evidence that they needed from inside, we had to
Speaker 1: take all the stuff out the refrigerator because we were
Speaker 1: afraid maybe he put something in the drinks or in
Speaker 1: her food to knock her out or you know, like
Speaker 1: we had to go through everything, toothpaste, everything, everything in
Speaker 1: the house had to go. And I wouldn't have thought
Speaker 1: about Yeah we went, Yeah, we did. We went in events,
Speaker 1: we did all like because we didn't know if he
Speaker 1: put cameras up like we didn't. We had to like
Speaker 1: really like strip the whole house down, we short her
Speaker 1: up strongly. Did you find the police to be helpful
Speaker 1: in this or I mean from a mother's point of view,
Speaker 1: I would say yes, because they caught him. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 1: they were on it. Now. I'm not happy with the laws.
Speaker 1: I'm hoping at some point laws can be strengthened. In
Speaker 1: regards to cyberstock, yeah, technology is advancing very very fast,
Speaker 1: faster than law enforcement can keep up. The stuff that
Speaker 1: people can get away with and not have any consequences
Speaker 1: is crazy. My niece, Jade is being tormented by a
Speaker 1: cyber stalker. As an influencer, Jade makes a living by
Speaker 1: having a strong presence on social media. Jade says, for years,
Speaker 1: someone has been making her life miserable, tracking her every
Speaker 1: move online, harassing her, constantly tagging her friend's boyfriend and exes,
Speaker 1: making upwards of fifty comments per day. As soon as
Speaker 1: Jade blocks her, a new account appears. This weaponization of
Speaker 1: social media has devastated her and she doesn't know how
Speaker 1: to make it stop. This is serious. It's serious business
Speaker 1: out there for everybody. Yeah, so they started to tag
Speaker 1: my ex boyfriend and my current boyfriend on all my pictures,
Speaker 1: all my family's pictures, my business related, all my partnerships
Speaker 1: that I have with friends, going to different people's pages
Speaker 1: and just tagging saying the most hurtful things. My boyfriend
Speaker 1: at the time, he plays football, and they started tagging
Speaker 1: his teammates on his page and all his stuff and
Speaker 1: just saying stuff like what basically just wishing that my
Speaker 1: mom would have swallowed me instead of having me saying that, like,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, degrading things like oh, you're a home,
Speaker 1: You're passed around, You're a liar, just trying to destroy me.
Speaker 1: We have some of the messages sent to you. You've
Speaker 1: been passed around from locker room to locker room, dumb
Speaker 1: groupie home, Okay, you need to get ran through by
Speaker 1: athletes to take care of you when your parents not
Speaker 1: doing it. The biggest hole in the city. And this
Speaker 1: is every single day. And I kind of had an
Speaker 1: idea of who it could be because I only had
Speaker 1: like two friends when I was young, and my grandpa Robs,
Speaker 1: so he passed away when I was in high school.
Speaker 1: They're making so many fake accounts using his name. Robs
Speaker 1: was rolling over in his grave. Rob Sol was disappointed
Speaker 1: in you, like and just so you guys know Russels,
Speaker 1: my father, Willow's granddad gave ms X, so they knew
Speaker 1: him and nobody else knew him. So hurtful and scary
Speaker 1: because my dad grandfather, who would know who my grandpa is?
Speaker 1: So then my family hired a private investigated. Once they
Speaker 1: found out who it was, I was like, Wow, it
Speaker 1: was a girl that I was best friends with growing up.
Speaker 1: She was always in competition, had to be the best,
Speaker 1: All the boys had to like her. I remember her, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know her. I remember her. As we got older,
Speaker 1: I kind of just realized she wasn't a good person.
Speaker 1: She moved away and I kind of just forgot about her,
Speaker 1: and which happens well in relationship. I know she was
Speaker 1: stalking me and my family, all my friends profiles for
Speaker 1: the past eight plus years and y plus eight years years.
Speaker 1: How many fact accounts do you think that she had? Now, Like, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was ridiculous. When I would blocka account, she would
Speaker 1: come back literally five minutes and make another account saying
Speaker 1: oh I can do this all day, and I'm just
Speaker 1: like it just got worse, and the more I ignored her,
Speaker 1: the worst it got. So when did it get heightened?
Speaker 1: Once the pandemic started. It was like it was just
Speaker 1: too much time for someone and she just, I think,
Speaker 1: explode it and couldn't contain her emotions and her feelings.
Speaker 1: I think she was making things up in her head
Speaker 1: that I did these things to her just because I
Speaker 1: didn't want to be her friend anymore. I found out
Speaker 1: that she moved out here, back out into Cali after
Speaker 1: eight plus years of not being here, and now she's
Speaker 1: fifteen minutes down the road, and I'm like, wait what.
Speaker 1: And then she reached out to me and she was
Speaker 1: just basically threatening me. Have you confronted her yet? I have.
Speaker 1: I've confronted her and I let her know I knew
Speaker 1: who it was. She denied it, she admitted it. I
Speaker 1: was just like, let's sit down. She didn't want to
Speaker 1: sit down, she didn't want to talk. So you were
Speaker 1: just deeply desperate, desperate. She just ended, it's really difficult
Speaker 1: when your social media is the main source of like
Speaker 1: you cut your brand, deals, your income, your career. And
Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh my gosh, this girl is just
Speaker 1: trying to completely sabotage everything. And it's still happening to me.
Speaker 1: I'm still even after confronting her, it's still going. And
Speaker 1: after confronting her, I found out that she worked with kids,
Speaker 1: and I was just like, oh my gosh, you work
Speaker 1: with kids and you're doing this to me every single day.
Speaker 1: Did you ever go to the police? I try to
Speaker 1: get a restraining order? And it was just devastating to
Speaker 1: hear that there was absolutely nothing I could do. It
Speaker 1: was just so much that was wearing down on me,
Speaker 1: taking a toll on your mentor your your heart. How
Speaker 1: did you stay out of the space of just wanting
Speaker 1: to get revenged, like you just want to go and
Speaker 1: like so a break through their window or something, you know,
Speaker 1: not seriously, Yeah, I was about to pull up. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I have to do something, Like I can't just sit
Speaker 1: here and just be okay with this. And that's why
Speaker 1: I just want to stress the importance of seek help,
Speaker 1: talk about it like you're not alone exactly. So. Flynn Adam's,
Speaker 1: daughter of gendary actress Jane Seymour, has been traumatized but
Speaker 1: cyber Starkers, who exposed her home address online which led
Speaker 1: to dangerous strangers showing up at our door. Now she's
Speaker 1: devoted her life to stopping it from happening to anyone else. Wow,
Speaker 1: Hi fly welcome. Yeah. So in my situation, and I
Speaker 1: made a very critical mistake that I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people can relate to, which is not accounting for
Speaker 1: how quickly unmanaged abuse incidents like the ones that you're
Speaker 1: experiencing can escalate into very very real threats of violence.
Speaker 1: I was working as a very high ranking executive at
Speaker 1: a at a large technology company. There were two people
Speaker 1: in particular. They were in my universe enough to where
Speaker 1: they knew enough about me to make the attack dangerous.
Speaker 1: And they went right into creating fake accounts pretending to
Speaker 1: be me, um, my husband, other family members, even our businesses. Wow.
Speaker 1: One day, they went so far as to post our
Speaker 1: our home address as a place where they they advertised,
Speaker 1: sorry it's um, it's hard to get through. They impersonated
Speaker 1: me and my family in such a way that they
Speaker 1: suggested that my home was a place to go to
Speaker 1: to facilitate certain fantasies. Okay, okay, um they sent extremely
Speaker 1: dangerous people to my home to do unspeakable harm to
Speaker 1: to me and and to my family. So, I mean,
Speaker 1: I can absolutely relate to the fear when you are
Speaker 1: woken up to this reality of oh, my gosh, somebody
Speaker 1: I don't know has intentionally weaponized a piece of technology
Speaker 1: to do harm to me. It wasn't something that I
Speaker 1: had actually considered before that happened. I had direct contact
Speaker 1: to security heads, to legal heads at these platforms where
Speaker 1: this was happening, to very high ranking members of law enforcement,
Speaker 1: federally and locally, and very little was done. And to
Speaker 1: this day my situation has not been resolved, not not
Speaker 1: in a meaningful way. What really scared me the most
Speaker 1: and sort of, you know, stop that. The current trajectory
Speaker 1: of my life was this fear that, you know, what
Speaker 1: are you supposed to do to actionably protect yourself? Did
Speaker 1: you find out who the perpetrator it is? And were
Speaker 1: you able to stop it? No? Um, it's it's complicated
Speaker 1: because of the way that law and technology haven't quite
Speaker 1: caught up with each other yet. It's a feedback loop.
Speaker 1: You go to law enforcement, law enforcement tells you go
Speaker 1: to the platform, the platform tells you to go back
Speaker 1: over here. It's just like, yeah, yeah, they just don't understand, Yeah,
Speaker 1: they just they just don't get it. I even had
Speaker 1: to judge tell me that if I didn't like what
Speaker 1: the people said about me, on the internet. I shouldn't
Speaker 1: have a computer, And I thought, like, what we're learning
Speaker 1: is that abuse itself is subjective. You know, everybody experiences
Speaker 1: So yeah, okay, wait, I'm sorry. That was the crux
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, that was the core. That was the core.
Speaker 1: Subjective is subjective. That is, to me, the key of
Speaker 1: why these things aren't being resolved in the way that
Speaker 1: they should. Wow, you just cracked the case. I didn't
Speaker 1: think about it like that. Yeah, I mean, you really
Speaker 1: got me together that it is subjective. But that's so
Speaker 1: important because you can't take it, you can't take it
Speaker 1: to court, you can't take it anywhere unless you understand
Speaker 1: the thing you're addressing. Have you had an opportunity to
Speaker 1: confront the people that have been doing I never would.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's a different level of danger. So you're
Speaker 1: brave on your part that you have to be careful.
Speaker 1: And I wanted to reach out and say no. So
Speaker 1: that was everybody around me telling me stop being communication
Speaker 1: with it. She's thriving off of it. She wants you
Speaker 1: to act flim How did this experience impact your personal
Speaker 1: life permanently and forever and ever and ever for the worst. Um,
Speaker 1: I do my best to try to move beyond it.
Speaker 1: But the psychological damage, the emotional consequences of this kind
Speaker 1: of behavior. UM, it has changed the way that I live.
Speaker 1: My house is the most secure thing that you've ever
Speaker 1: been in. UM. I have seventeen different devices that I
Speaker 1: use for different things. It changed the way that I parent.
Speaker 1: I've become this kind of HeLa monster. You know. I
Speaker 1: won't let him walk outside, I mean even in our
Speaker 1: own backyard without wanting to know where he is. It's
Speaker 1: sort of like obsessive thinking. Um. And that's sort of
Speaker 1: affected my marriage where I just I could not stop
Speaker 1: thinking about it because what would be some of your
Speaker 1: suggestions in regards to Jade's case. One, always always always
Speaker 1: be your own advocate. Never ever ever let anyone, not
Speaker 1: even law enforcement a social media company tell you that
Speaker 1: what you're experiencing shouldn't make you feel unsafe. That really
Speaker 1: is your decision. The most critical point is capturing what
Speaker 1: happened to you. Because the first, first, most critical mistake
Speaker 1: that people make. I made it when when I tried
Speaker 1: to resolve my situation, I had brought in screenshots, right,
Speaker 1: which I thought, who doesn't bring in a screenshot? But
Speaker 1: those are not corroborating substantial pieces of evidence. So text
Speaker 1: messages on your phone, yes, if they if they take
Speaker 1: your phone and they audit your phone, if it's from
Speaker 1: the device itself. But if you're screen grabbing things, I
Speaker 1: did that. I have a whole photo album of all
Speaker 1: the messages, all the screenshots, So that doesn't mean anything.
Speaker 1: How do I know you didn't photoshop the screen grab?
Speaker 1: So you can't ever delete the text messages from your
Speaker 1: phone because you never know when something is going to
Speaker 1: get worse. If I see something I don't like, I
Speaker 1: keep it. If you walked in there with you know,
Speaker 1: ten thousand pages of captures, I mean, this is this
Speaker 1: is a crime. By the way, I mean, people need
Speaker 1: to know you can't use screenshots. That's huge. I really
Speaker 1: do think that we need a daily practices in digital
Speaker 1: safety as an ongoing, evolving course. The amount of information
Speaker 1: that can be used to target somebody is overwhelming. We
Speaker 1: worked with Flynn to create a photo that many parents
Speaker 1: are posting these days, especially as children are headed back
Speaker 1: to school. Tell us all the ways this photo is
Speaker 1: revealing personal information. Cream So that's first problem. ABC is
Speaker 1: not good. That doesn't seem good. Joy's first day sixth
Speaker 1: grade with his favorite his middle school. You're having so
Speaker 1: much anxiety right now. You're like, oh no, I'm not
Speaker 1: for buddy Billy. So he's going to the sixth grade.
Speaker 1: His name is Joey, he plays soccer, and his best
Speaker 1: friend's name is Billy, and he goes to North Middle School.
Speaker 1: All of that information, yep, you got it. All of
Speaker 1: that information. As a general rule, you have to be
Speaker 1: conscious of a thing called the current. Now never never
Speaker 1: never tell anyone where you're at the time that you're
Speaker 1: damage because if you are being stalked, um, it just
Speaker 1: takes yet. And then also be aware of what's behind you.
Speaker 1: Is that you know you're a picture of the rest
Speaker 1: of your family. Are you holding something? If your child
Speaker 1: is holding his favorite toy you mentioned you know this
Speaker 1: is Bobby's favorite bear, you know whatever it's called. Right,
Speaker 1: you have to be very careful not just about the
Speaker 1: photo but about the content. The more data you give,
Speaker 1: the more ammunition you're giving somebody attack you because all
Speaker 1: that information right there is anything that a pedophile. When
Speaker 1: you need to draw Joey or Billy into the car, exactly,
Speaker 1: We're gonna go to ABC ice Cream and meet your
Speaker 1: mom there. Yep, Yeah, Bobby's waiting for you. Yeah, Bobby's
Speaker 1: waiting for you. It happens like that in a second.
Speaker 1: And we see it so often with identifying information and photographs,
Speaker 1: whether it's you know, telling people that you're on vacation,
Speaker 1: or taking pictures even in your home, revealing pictures of
Speaker 1: the children's room. So now I have insight into what
Speaker 1: your child likes, what they do, what their preferences are.
Speaker 1: It's so sad because the average person is just excited
Speaker 1: their kid is going to school. My nieces and nephews
Speaker 1: are posting pictures of their kids. They're they're happy they're
Speaker 1: back in school. They're showing pictures. Nobody is thinking about that,
Speaker 1: which is why it's always so important to remember that
Speaker 1: accountability for dangerous behavior is a two way street. You
Speaker 1: have to be proactive in your own practices. This is
Speaker 1: the kind of stuff, you know, you got to really
Speaker 1: be aware of. I took a picture of you the
Speaker 1: other day, and I zoomed it because I was like, wow,
Speaker 1: somebody could look at this fine figure out where you were.
Speaker 1: So I made it super super close so that it
Speaker 1: was just you and you couldn't tell anything about the background,
Speaker 1: and I caught it because I was like, wait a minute,
Speaker 1: this is very distinctive. I looked at this picture and
Speaker 1: I wanted to know where she was. You could figure it.
Speaker 1: I could figure this out. It's incredibly dangerous. If you
Speaker 1: don't want something on the Internet, don't put it there.
Speaker 1: And I will tell you this too. I'm a data scientist,
Speaker 1: so I love data. We're beyond the point of people
Speaker 1: saying we'll just get off the platform. The world is
Speaker 1: connected in a way that it's never been connected before,
Speaker 1: such a median or to get your business to thrive.
Speaker 1: It is part of our lives. Flynn, I feel like
Speaker 1: you need to teach a class. I agree, that's so important.
Speaker 1: Ashley Reynolds was a victim of an extreme type of
Speaker 1: cyberstalking called sex stortion, blackmailed by a complete stranger, tricked
Speaker 1: and con into sending neked photos as she found herself
Speaker 1: at the center of one of the biggest sextortion cases
Speaker 1: in history. I've always been a normal kid. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm your everyday girl. Around fourteen years old. I just
Speaker 1: finished my freshman year of high school. I got a
Speaker 1: random sage saying all caps lock in subject mind. I've
Speaker 1: got naked pictures of you. Opened this and I was like,
Speaker 1: I've never sent naked picture to like anyone, like I
Speaker 1: grew up literally being likes. So I brushed it aside.
Speaker 1: And then I got another message from the same person
Speaker 1: and still brushed it aside. Then I was at my
Speaker 1: aunt's house and I get a text saying, you can't
Speaker 1: be ignoring me because you need to send me seven
Speaker 1: naked pictures or I'm going to send all of your
Speaker 1: friends these pictures. And I was like, you don't have
Speaker 1: anything of me, and so I put up a fight,
Speaker 1: but it got to the point where he got into
Speaker 1: my head, like psychologically he was relentless, and I kind
Speaker 1: of just gave in. And that's when the fourteen year
Speaker 1: old inside of me thought I could just handle it.
Speaker 1: And I was like, fine, you know what, I'm going
Speaker 1: to take these pictures. I'm going to send it because
Speaker 1: that's what I thought would be the only way to
Speaker 1: get him off my back. It doesn't make sense, but
Speaker 1: like I was fourteen, I have a completely different mindset. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I like, you don't want to tell anyone because
Speaker 1: you're like, what if I'm getting one of its literally
Speaker 1: excused myself went to the restroom. I was like, I'll
Speaker 1: send these pictures and be done. Once I sent those
Speaker 1: seven pictures, that's when I knew for a fact he
Speaker 1: had naked pictures of me, and that was where he
Speaker 1: got his leverage from. So what started off with those
Speaker 1: seven naked pictures he wanted that first night that I
Speaker 1: actually complied, it actually turned into I was sending over
Speaker 1: sixty naked pictures of myself every single night. It wasn't
Speaker 1: like every once a week, it was every single night.
Speaker 1: He had a list. It was to of cover your chest.
Speaker 1: It started it starts off slow, keep your shirt on.
Speaker 1: It turned into cover this and then expose yourself, and
Speaker 1: then it turns into like hearing and finding out things
Speaker 1: like I didn't even know existed that I had to
Speaker 1: do to myself. And so yeah, and it was like
Speaker 1: if I didn't send him what he wanted, he was
Speaker 1: going to basically send what he had to like my friends.
Speaker 1: And he showed that he would do it because he
Speaker 1: actually sent um a couple of pictures. And so I
Speaker 1: spent my fifteen birthday in my bedroom with the door
Speaker 1: shut taking pictures of myself. So he basically was telling you,
Speaker 1: I have pictures of you, but if you don't send
Speaker 1: me more, then I'm going to release the ones that have. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it got to the point where he started to want
Speaker 1: me to send him videos of myself and wanted me
Speaker 1: to like do stuff that way. Were you're just so
Speaker 1: afraid that you felt like you couldn't tell your parents? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember hearing on the news and I'm saying, like,
Speaker 1: you know, you could go to jail for sexting, and
Speaker 1: I was like, so like, why would I want to
Speaker 1: come forward with anything we don't understand? Get and sucked in?
Speaker 1: You get the fear and the the steaks are so distorted,
Speaker 1: and it's like you don't want your parents to see
Speaker 1: you in that light, you know, it's like dirty. And
Speaker 1: I feel like, wait, if I say this, are they
Speaker 1: gonna like not even help me. It's more so of
Speaker 1: like not wanting my parents seeming like that. So it's
Speaker 1: like I don't know. But when they first found out,
Speaker 1: I was at a Christian club type of thing and
Speaker 1: my mom sends me a text and she's like, me
Speaker 1: and your dad are picking you up right now. We
Speaker 1: get home in the family come Peter was in their bedroom.
Speaker 1: My mom goes, what's this and I was like, and
Speaker 1: then I was crying because I was afraid that I
Speaker 1: was going to go to jail. It was our party
Speaker 1: that was relieved that your parents, Oh my gosh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and then my mom called the National Center of Missing
Speaker 1: and Exploited Children. They're the ones that got the FBI involved.
Speaker 1: I was the whistleblower on my case. So what started
Speaker 1: off was me thinking, it's only happening to me. Over
Speaker 1: three hundred and fifty girls, he was doing this too.
Speaker 1: I'm not the only one three fifty girls, And to
Speaker 1: this day, we've only been able to identify a hundred
Speaker 1: and nineteen of them. So there's over two hundred girls
Speaker 1: who have no idea. They're probably getting married now and wondering,
Speaker 1: you know, isn't going to come back. But get this.
Speaker 1: The youngest one that they identified so far was only
Speaker 1: eight years old. No, no, no, eight years old. Have
Speaker 1: they been able to catch this guy? He's yeah. The
Speaker 1: first time I saw him was when we had our trial,
Speaker 1: because they had a few of the victims speak when
Speaker 1: they were sentencing him. We went to Jacksonville, Florida, and
Speaker 1: it's the orange jumps to shackles. He had like slimy,
Speaker 1: long hair, end. It's so weird to be able to
Speaker 1: say I put someone in prison for a hundred and
Speaker 1: four years. Nice for you, mynded. Yes, if you have
Speaker 1: a computer or a smartphone. Dr Thomas high Slip, who
Speaker 1: worked with the Department of Defense, has critical information on
Speaker 1: how to protect yourself. You investigate cybercrimes. Okay, amazing. So
Speaker 1: if this is happening to you and you want to
Speaker 1: call the police, what exactly do you say? The best
Speaker 1: thing you can do is go to the police station,
Speaker 1: get in an interview in person, right, don't just file
Speaker 1: a report online or call. Also, take your devices with you.
Speaker 1: If you're using the cell phone or a computer or
Speaker 1: an iPad, bring those with you. If you don't have it,
Speaker 1: it's okay, we'll look into it. If you have them
Speaker 1: right there, they can bring him in a laboratory and
Speaker 1: they have the information they need to start the investigation.
Speaker 1: Got it. And also say the magic words. A lot
Speaker 1: of people don't want to say they scared for the life,
Speaker 1: or that they feel threatened or they're seriously distressed by
Speaker 1: these actions. Say the words. If you call my office
Speaker 1: and you say so, someone's bothering me. And to keep
Speaker 1: making ice post it's just kind of annoying. So you're
Speaker 1: like playing it off. So if you're on the line,
Speaker 1: you've got twenty other cases to work, you kind of like, alright,
Speaker 1: just file report I see three and we'll get to it.
Speaker 1: But if you're in person, listen, this is really affecting me.
Speaker 1: I can't sleep at night. I need help. And that's
Speaker 1: the reality. Because you can't sleep at night, that's affecting you.
Speaker 1: Even when you tell yourself it's not, you're thinking about it, right.
Speaker 1: And finally, if it involves your child, bring your child.
Speaker 1: I mean it can be hard on the child, but
Speaker 1: also talking about it can help. Right. It's the human
Speaker 1: problem now, it's not a technology problem. And when it
Speaker 1: comes to law, we need a cyber security law or
Speaker 1: a cyber safety like its own thing. The laws have
Speaker 1: not kept up with technologies. They've gotten better and they're
Speaker 1: they've made some changes, like recently the federal statute for cyberstalking.
Speaker 1: They added severe emotionals and stress so it didn't have
Speaker 1: to be a threat against your life, which helps. And
Speaker 1: so you can file your reports through with the Internet
Speaker 1: Crime Complaint Center at the FBI and the websites I
Speaker 1: see three dot Government with the work that I do now,
Speaker 1: I cannot unsee the things that I see on a
Speaker 1: daily basis, the things that human beings are willing to
Speaker 1: do and say to each other. Man. We had a
Speaker 1: big case a couple of years ago a group in
Speaker 1: the South comant of prison system. They were using one
Speaker 1: cell phone all day long. All they did was cyberstock
Speaker 1: people and try to get them to do sex storation.
Speaker 1: They were targeted against military members, and so they would
Speaker 1: find a military member's profile and start hitting them. Send
Speaker 1: me a picture, and these young guys would send it
Speaker 1: like you were talking about absolutely yeah, yeah, And then
Speaker 1: they had people on the outside who would go collect
Speaker 1: the money for Wow. We had to start a big
Speaker 1: task force and went on, you know, for a couple
Speaker 1: of years, and we finally were able to break it
Speaker 1: up and rest a bunch of people. But you know,
Speaker 1: that's an example of how far they will go. They
Speaker 1: got all day sitting there on their cell phones, nothing
Speaker 1: but target people. This is something to be aware of.
Speaker 1: The this is a very scary set. American send one
Speaker 1: point eight million nudes per day. That means that since
Speaker 1: we started this Red Table talk, more than thirty three
Speaker 1: thousand naked photos have been sent across the country and
Speaker 1: check this. Seven out of ten times when strangers swap
Speaker 1: X rated pictures on dating apps, the result is someone
Speaker 1: having a racy photo of a person they'll never meet.
Speaker 1: Sixty of men who had a nude of an ex
Speaker 1: kept the photo after the breakup. Six percent of women
Speaker 1: expected their partners to have deleted them. Listen, don't even
Speaker 1: take the photo. Don't send it, but don't take it.
Speaker 1: Really big, big, still taking nudes on the phone. I
Speaker 1: don't stick it. A lot of people feel like not me,
Speaker 1: and you feel like you're sending it to somebody you trust.
Speaker 1: Then the revenge do you break up with some boyfriend
Speaker 1: girlfriend for two years and you break up and they're
Speaker 1: mad and they got photos of you. But the rules
Speaker 1: are different from the rules are different. Now, Well, thank
Speaker 1: you you guys. This was like really really really learned
Speaker 1: a Lotah, thank you guys, this was great. Thank you.
Speaker 1: In this day and age, with you, I would have
Speaker 1: taken yourself. No, I took it away. But yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'm saying, in this day and age, I would
Speaker 1: really just get that phone together so that I would
Speaker 1: know every single thing, single movement on that fall to
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