Speaker 1: Look Mayer, Oh, I see you, my own Bowen. Look
Speaker 1: over there is that culture. Yes, goodness, Lost ding Dong
Speaker 1: Lost Culturistas calling.
Speaker 2: So today was Bowen's first ever Tate experience. And that
Speaker 2: is the big headline.
Speaker 3: Of the huge headline Famed Bakery shak Shuka restaurant. They
Speaker 3: have more things than I had, a delicious chicken salad
Speaker 3: sandwich with raisins. Get into it. I don't want to
Speaker 3: have this argument with anybody. Raisins belong in chicken salad.
Speaker 2: Okay, you know what else I so I basically described
Speaker 2: it to you correctly. Was it was like a Michelin
Speaker 2: preta mage a Michelin pretamange.
Speaker 3: And then we learned through someone that we were speaking
Speaker 3: to today that it is owned by Panera Bread. Yes,
Speaker 3: so it all goes back to Big Pen. It goes
Speaker 3: back to Big Bread.
Speaker 2: And that's actually your real culture number six and it
Speaker 2: all goes back to Big Bread.
Speaker 1: Also in Lost Coltu News. So the reason why we're
Speaker 1: in DC today is actually kind of a fun story.
Speaker 2: Several months ago, we sort of reached out to with
Speaker 2: an opportunity that made us say there's no way, there's.
Speaker 1: No way, There's just no way. It is real, and
Speaker 1: we find ourselves sitting with a pair of guests that
Speaker 1: to say that we.
Speaker 2: Are excited would be the understatement of the entry to
Speaker 2: have them on Lost Culture is this.
Speaker 3: We were so fortunate enough to be on their podcast
Speaker 3: at amazing time. IMO, Higher Ground, get into that. That's
Speaker 3: the chicken salad of podcast truly. Okay, there's raisins.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, I said to our guests earlier,
Speaker 2: I did a breakfast hack. I was like, you know
Speaker 2: what you do, and so I didn't tell you this, Craig,
Speaker 2: but here's here's what you got to do. It's not
Speaker 2: just strawberries and raisin bran. It's also you cut up strawberries.
Speaker 2: I'm a culinary icon on this podcast. By the way,
Speaker 2: the snack of the summer is frozen grapes.
Speaker 1: Frozen grape Okay, so you got to.
Speaker 2: Cut up strawberries, cut and then get some bananas in
Speaker 2: there and raisins. Put it in your honeynut cheerios. Yeah,
Speaker 2: raisins and honynut cherios. You're gonna love the way you look.
Speaker 2: I guarantee you.
Speaker 4: It's still not that deep.
Speaker 5: It is.
Speaker 3: For more context, listen to our episode of IMO and
Speaker 3: that Matt, it sounds yummy.
Speaker 5: Okay.
Speaker 1: So these voices that you're hearing, they're legendary.
Speaker 3: They are the Euclid Avenue Robinson, the icon Chicago legends
Speaker 3: here with.
Speaker 2: A college basketball icon as a player, a coach, and
Speaker 2: a broadcaster and a best selling author that is likely
Speaker 2: best known as the former First Lady of the United
Speaker 2: States of America.
Speaker 1: And this is just really special.
Speaker 2: Podcasters now, So moving on up in the world, I'd say.
Speaker 5: Everyone, please, we are out of our.
Speaker 2: Minds to welcome Michelle Obama.
Speaker 4: Gosh, we're fired up, ready to go.
Speaker 5: Put me in coach.
Speaker 2: I'm ready to play, and you are the one to
Speaker 2: listen to when that gets So you're sort of been
Speaker 2: dragging me all day from my breakfast.
Speaker 4: I mean, you bring it up like it's some rocket
Speaker 4: science and it's chopped up fruit in cereal. At least
Speaker 4: you have to cut the cheese and melt its steps.
Speaker 6: You do not have to acquiesce to her just because
Speaker 6: the former first Lady.
Speaker 4: That pretty well, yes, ma'am.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I know.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: Earlier I was like, thank you so much, missus Obama,
Speaker 2: and you said Michelle, and I was like, I.
Speaker 4: Did say that.
Speaker 1: I know, well, it's great to be on a first
Speaker 1: name basis.
Speaker 4: We cannot have a real conversation if you're saying, missus Obama,
Speaker 4: that's too many.
Speaker 3: Pretty quick to like put down that shield for people,
Speaker 3: you're like, don't even worry about it.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 4: I was trying to do that when I was first
Speaker 4: Lady because I just think, you know, it just sort
Speaker 4: of like I am not that position. I am Michelle.
Speaker 4: And when you're trying to connect with people, especially young people,
Speaker 4: and you know they need to keep the misses because
Speaker 4: they're learning. Sure, but I'm always trying to break down
Speaker 4: that wall to say we're just all here totally, you know,
Speaker 4: And the first thing to do is like, let's drop
Speaker 4: that title. That's a little heavy, you know, that kind
Speaker 4: of changes the dynamic. So I'm Michelle.
Speaker 1: Because I know what we call her, what your Highness?
Speaker 1: I knew it.
Speaker 4: This person you have to.
Speaker 1: Be in the family.
Speaker 2: You do need this person in your life. That is
Speaker 2: like that is like busting your chops a little bit.
Speaker 2: You guys always been those people to each other.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 4: Well we come from a family of chop chop busters.
Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, yeah, it's.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's we earned it.
Speaker 3: We earned it our dad, his brother's, our grandfather on
Speaker 3: my mom's side.
Speaker 4: Yah.
Speaker 1: I mean, it was just chop busting all the time.
Speaker 6: And they started teasing at a young age. So you
Speaker 6: and I always thought, oh, this is mean, until you realize, oh,
Speaker 6: in the real world, this happens all the time. So
Speaker 6: you're building a nice armor to fight the fights when
Speaker 6: you get out in the choice.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Craig, you've talked about how growing up it was
Speaker 3: Michelle was known as Craig Robinson's younger sister, and then
Speaker 3: it flipped it at some point when you were known
Speaker 3: as Michelle's older brother.
Speaker 1: And I love that, and that is much easier describe
Speaker 1: it in the ways that that is easy.
Speaker 6: It's easier because, first of all, I was whether my
Speaker 6: mom and dad said, don't do it, don't worry about
Speaker 6: your sister, don't protect your sister. I did, so everybody
Speaker 6: had to know that's my little sister. So if you're
Speaker 6: gonna run up on her, you gotta come through me.
Speaker 6: Be nice, act right, And anywhere I went, I brought
Speaker 6: her with until we got to an age where we
Speaker 6: couldn't do stuff. But it's always been that way, and
Speaker 6: it's much easier when I don't have to worry about that.
Speaker 6: Now she's she's the big star and I can just
Speaker 6: enjoy the benefits.
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean yeah. We both have sisters,
Speaker 2: and I feel like it almost makes me emotional to
Speaker 2: think of people like having an opinion or like be
Speaker 2: like the idea that someone is you know, accessed by
Speaker 2: the world in this way, Like that has to be
Speaker 2: something to manage about each other. I'm sure about you know,
Speaker 2: your family members, Like when you become up for public
Speaker 2: debates and unable to participate in those discussions, I would
Speaker 2: imagine that that's something that you obviously learn to cope with,
Speaker 2: or do you ever really learn to cope with it?
Speaker 4: You know, you do. You have to develop a thick skin,
Speaker 4: and I think some people are better at it than others.
Speaker 4: I think my husband has a very calm demeanor, and
Speaker 4: I think he was built for the job. I am
Speaker 4: a little more feisty, less so for myself, but more
Speaker 4: for him. You know. I get my back red up
Speaker 4: when somebody goes after him and they don't appreciate his
Speaker 4: intellect and his sacrifice. Don't go don't go after my kids.
Speaker 4: So I don't feel it for myself, but I do
Speaker 4: it is it is uncomfortable anytime my kids call me
Speaker 4: with some bad interaction they had with somebody on the
Speaker 4: street because of their last name, or them worrying about
Speaker 4: somebody people thinking that they don't deserve the credit for
Speaker 4: the hard work that they do. You know, my mommy
Speaker 4: mode gets on sure, but I've had to practice being
Speaker 4: okay with it for the sake of them. Yes, because
Speaker 4: I think that kids respond the way their parents respond,
Speaker 4: And all throughout the White House, my thing was this
Speaker 4: is normal. You'll be fine. It's okay. Yes, there are
Speaker 4: men with guns on your school. Yeah, because your dad's
Speaker 4: here for parent teacher conference. But keep going. It's not
Speaker 4: about you, you know, just trying to make sure that
Speaker 4: through all of this they felt normal. So I couldn't
Speaker 4: respond too much. I couldn't voice too much concern because
Speaker 4: then they would start panicking.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 3: It's like when a tyler falls and they look.
Speaker 4: Up to see if they're okay, and if you're like,
Speaker 4: oh my god, but if you're like you're fine, get up.
Speaker 6: But as a brother, I feel it when they get
Speaker 6: talked about yeah. And it's really interesting because as a coach,
Speaker 6: you get talked about all the time, like when your team.
Speaker 6: That doesn't bother me at all, right, because I know
Speaker 6: what I was doing was my best and this game
Speaker 6: plan went this way, something went that way.
Speaker 1: Anything.
Speaker 6: But with them, it's when people don't appreciate what they're doing.
Speaker 6: I wouldn't say things publicly, but people ask me all
Speaker 6: the time, how do you handle it? And I tell
Speaker 6: them I know deep in my heart that they're doing
Speaker 6: the best for the most people, and that usually gets
Speaker 6: people to to sort of calm down and take that
Speaker 6: strategy with them when they go on when they go
Speaker 6: about their work, because otherwise it would just drive you crazy.
Speaker 2: Sure, I used to be in the comments defending him.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would never want you worse than death come
Speaker 1: out there.
Speaker 2: I also just when you were talking about going to
Speaker 2: the parents teacher conference, and I thought about being an
Speaker 2: elementary school teacher and knowing that the Obamas were coming in.
Speaker 1: What is that?
Speaker 4: Oh, it was a thing because the kids went to
Speaker 4: school down the street from where we're recording right now,
Speaker 4: and our house is well we were in the White
Speaker 4: House that that was our house then, So it was
Speaker 4: a trip all the way up mass af Right. And
Speaker 4: when when you're in the presidential motorcade. It's a thing. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know, if the president is moving, it's twelve motorcycle
Speaker 4: cars walking off traffic. The street gets shut down. It's
Speaker 4: a twenty car motorcade, you know which I say that
Speaker 4: includes an ambulance, a caboose, and a you know, a
Speaker 4: clown at the end. I mean, it just keeps going
Speaker 4: and going and going, and it never ends. And all
Speaker 4: of that pulls up into the parking lot of a
Speaker 4: school and getting held down. It's like that missus Charney
Speaker 4: that they're blocking, and it's like, you know, I know,
Speaker 4: but this is how it goes. And so Malia is.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 4: But here's the thing. Dad was going to parent teacher conference.
Speaker 4: It was like, you know, you went before you were president.
Speaker 4: You went to every one of them. We are parents,
Speaker 4: you know, we have to ignore this. This is how
Speaker 4: you get about the city. And this can't be the
Speaker 4: excuse for you not to participate as a father, because
Speaker 4: you you deserve that. He enjoyed that, He enjoyed those
Speaker 4: moments of normalcy, even if it came with a twenty
Speaker 4: our motorcade and helicopters and a cat team on the roofs,
Speaker 4: which is counter assault weapons, machine guns out, you know,
Speaker 4: I mean total lockdown. Yeah yeah, so yeah that was
Speaker 4: And thank you Sidwell for putting up with us.
Speaker 5: Great work.
Speaker 2: I always feel like, you know, big moments in my life.
Speaker 2: I can often associate with a song or a film
Speaker 2: or something, and obviously you guys, being in the public eye,
Speaker 2: I wanted to ask if there is a moment that
Speaker 2: the world knows and they identify in a certain way
Speaker 2: just from watching you guys, but you associate that moment
Speaker 2: with a specific song or something, like.
Speaker 1: What was this song of like the inauguration day? Or like,
Speaker 1: is there is there.
Speaker 2: A moment that you can think of that you can
Speaker 2: point to no one? No one knows I was listening
Speaker 2: to this or what had watched that you're nodding.
Speaker 1: I'm nodding.
Speaker 4: We do you have something?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: The first inauguration we were all together other in Chicago,
Speaker 6: and the story about when we found out that Barack
Speaker 6: was the president of the United States is a completely
Speaker 6: great story, but I'll save it for you next time.
Speaker 1: We are all on the stage.
Speaker 6: I mean it's our whole family, but our family small,
Speaker 6: but it's we're all on the stage. Barack's family is
Speaker 6: on the stage. This was in Grant Park in Chicago outside,
Speaker 6: and wasn't it we Are Family?
Speaker 4: I don't remember, that's what I think. I I think
Speaker 4: I was a song.
Speaker 6: Because I remember we Are Family, And I don't know
Speaker 6: if it was in my head or if they were
Speaker 6: actually playing I'm going to tell you something. We're from Chicago.
Speaker 6: I've been in Grant Park in all my life. When
Speaker 6: that inauguration was over, you could hear almost hear a
Speaker 6: pin drop, and people are walking away. They're just in
Speaker 6: this euphoric, quiet, calm state. They were so happy, and
Speaker 6: it was the I mean, black people, white people, people
Speaker 6: from the North Side, people from the South Side, people
Speaker 6: from the West Side, all together just walking back to
Speaker 6: wherever they were going, quietly, orderly, no police sirens. You
Speaker 6: could see flashes of light. But it was surreal, man
Speaker 6: for a kid who grew up in Chicago.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it was so peacefully silent that on
Speaker 4: the way to Grant Park in the Presidential Motor Cave,
Speaker 4: the kids were in the back because you know, you're
Speaker 4: trying to tell them what's going on because they were little.
Speaker 4: There were you know, seven and ten or six and
Speaker 4: nine at the time, so most of the time in
Speaker 4: the hole they're playing. We set it up so that
Speaker 4: their cousins are there, they're playing games. Election nights were
Speaker 4: all about we get chicken fingers and we get to
Speaker 4: stay up right. But you didn't realize they wouldn't understand
Speaker 4: what had happen. Happened, so you'd win a primary, big
Speaker 4: celebration and Malia would we come back. Maliva says, it's
Speaker 4: dad president, and you're like, oh no, no, no, no,
Speaker 4: this is just South Carolina. We got to do this
Speaker 4: like twelve more times. Did she go, okay, go back
Speaker 4: and play that night? She said at the end of
Speaker 4: it is dead president now. And we said, yeah, this
Speaker 4: is it. So we're in the car on the way
Speaker 4: to Grant Park and it's this deep silence and we're
Speaker 4: all quiet in the car. The kids are in the back,
Speaker 4: and Malia says, Dad, I don't think anybody's coming to
Speaker 4: your party because no one was on the street. And
Speaker 4: it never this was like that. It was always busy.
Speaker 4: And she was like, oh my.
Speaker 5: God, this is embarrassing.
Speaker 4: I mean, it's like you might be And we were like, oh, sweetie, no,
Speaker 4: this is what happens now that your dad is president.
Speaker 4: No one will ever be on this street. When he's
Speaker 4: on the street again.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 4: But it's like with the little kids, You're like, you know,
Speaker 4: how do you put these moments in context for them?
Speaker 4: They're just in the back seat going what's next for us?
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like watching someone realize their life is different.
Speaker 5: That's right.
Speaker 1: It's so weird. I'm remembering it.
Speaker 2: Like we got a new dog one time, and then
Speaker 2: we opened our pool and I was in the pool
Speaker 2: and the dog came outside and saw me in the
Speaker 2: pool and froze and.
Speaker 5: It was like a new thing for the dog.
Speaker 1: And I was like, oh, I'm watching the dog have.
Speaker 2: A formative uh huh, core memory.
Speaker 5: I don't know why I've made that poll, but like
Speaker 5: that is what I'm thinking.
Speaker 4: It's so the same.
Speaker 1: We don't walk on streets with other people any more.
Speaker 1: Yeah anymore?
Speaker 5: Yeah, Like what are you.
Speaker 4: Doing in that?
Speaker 5: There was only a third of you showing.
Speaker 4: And I know that's not because like and someone should
Speaker 4: be panicking here should I dive in the water?
Speaker 1: I don't want to.
Speaker 5: I mean you're talking about like going.
Speaker 3: To parent teacher conferences here, and like I got to ask,
Speaker 3: like now that you are talking about both of you
Speaker 3: guys are talking on the podcast about how you know
Speaker 3: the decision making is for yourselves now, like you know
Speaker 3: the I mean, I know, Craig, you're still raising kids,
Speaker 3: but like Michelle as someone who is, like, you know,
Speaker 3: you've called yourself an empty nester, and like that is
Speaker 3: that is the thing that like, I have no idea
Speaker 3: I have anyone asked my parents about this because I'm
Speaker 3: as nervous about like what that was like for them.
Speaker 3: But now that you are like making decisions for yourself,
Speaker 3: does that change the ration now? Like the framework of
Speaker 3: your decision making, like you being in DC again without
Speaker 3: having to worry about parent teacher conference, Like does that
Speaker 3: affect your sense of place? Like I was asking you
Speaker 3: before where you spend most of your time throughout the
Speaker 3: year and it's kind of in multiple places?
Speaker 1: Like does that feel?
Speaker 5: How does that feel?
Speaker 4: It feels great?
Speaker 1: God?
Speaker 4: I bet you know it does feel great, But it
Speaker 4: is it's a little off putting, right because I realized,
Speaker 4: for you know, fifty plus years, I was making decisions
Speaker 4: for other people. And that's kind of a buffer, you know,
Speaker 4: I can always say, well, I'm doing this because my
Speaker 4: husband needs it, I'm doing this because my kids need it,
Speaker 4: so the consequences of those decisions I could sort of
Speaker 4: subconsciously throw off on them. You know, I am now
Speaker 4: accountable for out the outcomes of all of my choices.
Speaker 4: They're all mine now, right, There's no one to blame
Speaker 4: if it doesn't go right, if there's backlash, if I
Speaker 4: don't attend a thing, you know, it's not well. I
Speaker 4: did it because I had to my choice. This was
Speaker 4: my choice. I stand in it so and that's new
Speaker 4: at sixty one years old, but it is freeing and
Speaker 4: it could only happen now that I know. My girls
Speaker 4: are good. They are full adults. They're not completely independent,
Speaker 4: but they move through the world as independent, responsible people.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 4: They do not call us for everything. They figure stuff
Speaker 4: out and then talk to us afterwards to get our
Speaker 4: advice or reaction to what they already decided. I mean,
Speaker 4: they're just as a parent. That's comforting. You know. Yes,
Speaker 4: I miss them, but I can see them whenever. But
Speaker 4: that's what we raise them to be independent people who
Speaker 4: can think on their own and live in the world
Speaker 4: and survive with or without us. And that just gives
Speaker 4: me comfort. I sleep better at night, and I still
Speaker 4: sleep worse even as adults when they're under my roof.
Speaker 4: I mean, when they're here, I'm like, well, what time
Speaker 4: do you get in? It's like, well this is early, mom,
Speaker 4: But it's like yeah, but I know, I feel like
Speaker 4: you're under my roof and I know I need to
Speaker 4: know where you're going. But I'm free of that, right,
Speaker 4: So it's good. It's really it's liberating good.
Speaker 1: We need to connect you with Kyle Richards.
Speaker 2: She needs to hear from you. She's having a hard
Speaker 2: time as a new empty and ester. I don't know if.
Speaker 1: I see this is the part you said you were
Speaker 1: going to check out.
Speaker 2: But we have to take the opportunity to ask Michelle
Speaker 2: Obama about some house because you go ahead, You've revealed
Speaker 2: you watch it all.
Speaker 4: I do, Yeah, I watch it all. I watch it all.
Speaker 4: It's it's like my golf. I'd say that to Brock.
Speaker 4: It's like TV. You can tune in and out of
Speaker 4: and you can watch it or not watch it and
Speaker 4: still catch up and go. Yeah. They're arguing about that.
Speaker 4: It's like, remember, I find it soothing.
Speaker 2: Sometimes watches or exactly do you have a favorite current housewife, a.
Speaker 4: Favorite house that's someone that you watch.
Speaker 2: I'm rooting for that one, even if it doesn't make
Speaker 2: sense all the time.
Speaker 4: Oh that's oh, I didn't think about this. So there
Speaker 4: are a lot to choose from. Who am I rooting
Speaker 4: for right now?
Speaker 1: All your listeners probably watch it so they know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but we're happy to this is the current This
Speaker 4: is the current season. They're in season right now. It's
Speaker 4: airing and it's live. No, it's a few months ago,
Speaker 4: but cut it together at it. They tape them over
Speaker 4: a season, you know, like last season, and it's airing now,
Speaker 4: so Atlanta is on. That's the thing about this stuff,
Speaker 4: which I would tell all the housewives, it's like learn,
Speaker 4: you know, just like all of us know, you know,
Speaker 4: you're at the middle of it, and then it can
Speaker 4: all be gone. So what's the plan for when it's
Speaker 4: all gone? You know, this moment that feels so good?
Speaker 4: We all, you know, at some point in our lives
Speaker 4: are formers.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I truly appreciate what I see a housewife
Speaker 2: hustling the products because A I think it's funny and
Speaker 2: B I'm like, get your money.
Speaker 4: Get it now, and I hope you're saving it.
Speaker 3: On the subject of formers, though, like I feel like
Speaker 3: what you two are are very good at sort of
Speaker 3: embodying in your life stories. Is like the swerve, like
Speaker 3: the career change. Like I think this this kind of
Speaker 3: ties back to like the decision making for yourself now
Speaker 3: that you're accountable to yourself now, It's like, does this
Speaker 3: echo anything about like of living in that zone between
Speaker 3: like marriage or parenthood and like right when you're out
Speaker 3: of college where you're like, Okay, what do I do
Speaker 3: with myself now? Like that is something that I think
Speaker 3: I hope everyone goes through. I kind of trust someone
Speaker 3: a little bit more to know about themselves if they
Speaker 3: have had a moment of questioning like everything they've been
Speaker 3: taught to.
Speaker 1: Sort of move through life with.
Speaker 6: You know, I have always felt that our parents prepared
Speaker 6: us to do anything. They always encourage us to do
Speaker 6: anything you feel like you want to do, And the
Speaker 6: hard part for me was figuring out what that was.
Speaker 6: And you know, early on, professional sports wasn't the way
Speaker 6: it is now. Like you, very few people aspired to
Speaker 6: be a professional athlete. You just didn't think you could
Speaker 6: do it because you saw you didn't. You saw very
Speaker 6: few role models that were other than the people who
Speaker 6: were way up there, like Ernie Banks and Gail Sayers.
Speaker 6: Those were the people we saw growing up.
Speaker 5: So well, I'll tell you, we were gonna nod so hard.
Speaker 6: We were like, you, guys, don't have Michelle. You can
Speaker 6: do that for her, but you don't have to listen.
Speaker 5: I told you to coach forty. That's why I saw.
Speaker 1: I figured you would. You would get the Gail Sayers.
Speaker 5: I actually know that name. Yeah.
Speaker 6: So, so I was just playing basketball and I didn't
Speaker 6: know that I was gonna get a chance to be
Speaker 6: a professional basketball player, but it wasn't what I was
Speaker 6: shooting for. So we were always taught just try things
Speaker 6: until you figure out what it is you like to do.
Speaker 6: And that's what I did, and I felt very comfortable
Speaker 6: doing it because I had the support of my family. Yes,
Speaker 6: and I never felt like I had to be a doctor.
Speaker 1: I had to be a lawyer. I had to be
Speaker 1: a basketball player.
Speaker 6: And then that that way I was able to try
Speaker 6: finance and try consulting, and then try coaching and realize
Speaker 6: that I loved coaching and teaching. And I think the
Speaker 6: only thing that I thought I really wanted to do
Speaker 6: was be a teacher.
Speaker 1: I thought I was.
Speaker 6: Going to teach seventh grade and coach high school basketball. Right,
Speaker 6: that was my I should say I started out wanting
Speaker 6: to be a race car driver.
Speaker 4: And growing.
Speaker 6: I was publicly I was publicly shamed by my second
Speaker 6: grade teacher, who I absolutely loved, and she was like,
Speaker 6: with all those brains, what do you want to be
Speaker 6: a race car driver for? And so that was the
Speaker 6: end of that. And then I got too tall to
Speaker 6: get in the cards. But I thought I'd be a
Speaker 6: teacher because I had so many good role models my parents,
Speaker 6: I had coaches, I had good teachers coming up, So
Speaker 6: I was thinking that would be something that would be
Speaker 6: worthwhile doing.
Speaker 2: Well, you really opened up a door here to the
Speaker 2: central question of our podcast, and so I feel like
Speaker 2: we'll just ask you. We'll start with you, Craig, which
Speaker 2: is what was the culture that made you say culture
Speaker 2: was for you? This is that that sort of formative,
Speaker 2: influential moment in your life where something you were exposed to,
Speaker 2: whether it was pop culturally or culturally in general, that
Speaker 2: made Craig become Craig.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to give you the answer because I
Speaker 1: know this answer.
Speaker 6: I'm prepared for this, but I want to tell you
Speaker 6: I always make note of questions I haven't been asked,
Speaker 6: because when you get interviewed all the time and you
Speaker 6: listen to podcasts, you hear all these great questions. It's
Speaker 6: always so exciting when somebody asks a question you haven't
Speaker 6: heard before, and I only know your question because of
Speaker 6: your show, but I've never been answer. So I'm really
Speaker 6: excited about this. And I know there were two opportunities here.
Speaker 6: So when I was in high school, I worked at
Speaker 6: Soldier Field, which is the arena where the Chicago Bears play.
Speaker 6: They used to have great concerts there and we couldn't
Speaker 6: afford tickets to concert so we never went to live concert.
Speaker 6: So my first live concert I worked at during the
Speaker 6: series of concerts Parliament Funkadelic.
Speaker 1: Landing the Mothership on.
Speaker 2: The stage, production people and.
Speaker 6: The music and the music on top of the production.
Speaker 6: But the best part guys seeing them dudes come in
Speaker 6: off the bus. I was like, they coolish, Yeah, rock
Speaker 6: star lifestyle, they cool edge.
Speaker 5: Didn't you mystify anything?
Speaker 1: It actually mystified.
Speaker 6: Oh.
Speaker 1: I was like, I should have stayed playing the piano.
Speaker 5: Because you're feeling like a group beat.
Speaker 6: I was like, wow, I could be up there wearing
Speaker 6: the stack shoes and the diamond, the stark glasses.
Speaker 5: Laying in the face, playing the keyboard.
Speaker 6: It was so and so that was when I was like, Okay,
Speaker 6: there's something to be there's culture out here, there's something
Speaker 6: to be being cool. And then the next ahead to
Speaker 6: one of my freshman year in college was the first
Speaker 6: year that rap was going widespread. Yeah, rappers delight of
Speaker 6: course that song of.
Speaker 2: Course my mother I used to do it when I
Speaker 2: was in elementary school, and I was like, my mom
Speaker 2: was bars, yeah, that praised for it at the time,
Speaker 2: but I thought.
Speaker 4: I thought, how did you come up with that mod?
Speaker 1: I don't know? Rappers? They're like, wait, year was that?
Speaker 6: So that was nineteen I graduate high school seventy nine,
Speaker 6: so it was nineteen eighty was the year settay?
Speaker 1: Nine eighty was the year I was my freshman year college.
Speaker 1: Did you know the same age my mom she graduated
Speaker 1: at nineteen eighty. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I believe as we came we feel old, No.
Speaker 5: No, we are.
Speaker 4: My mom played.
Speaker 5: I'm as a superstar, ageless, ageless period.
Speaker 2: But no, there's a lot of music, and isn't it
Speaker 2: funny like when when you're young and a kid like
Speaker 2: it's so uncool to be doing music or playing the
Speaker 2: band or do orchestra.
Speaker 1: And then now who is cooler than musicians?
Speaker 4: Ye?
Speaker 1: Stars? Pop stars.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so we're trying to keep our fifteen and thirteen
Speaker 6: year old. They're still playing their music, yep. And if
Speaker 6: they can just hang on, just hang on and keep
Speaker 6: doing it.
Speaker 4: Maybe they'll be stepping off the mother ship.
Speaker 6: They don't even need to step off the mother ship,
Speaker 6: but if they ever wanted to, they won't be so
Speaker 6: far behind where they could only be the guy playing
Speaker 6: the like.
Speaker 3: There's a play, there's a place for that.
Speaker 4: And there is.
Speaker 1: Set up.
Speaker 4: You're right.
Speaker 3: I just gosh, if I could take a time mashing
Speaker 3: back to like a stadium funk concert, man, like, I guess, like,
Speaker 3: what's the closest thing we have to that I don't know.
Speaker 5: I guess we have.
Speaker 4: What are we talking?
Speaker 2: I mean, Beyonce will give you every genre, but the
Speaker 2: I mean like in terms of like real like what
Speaker 2: you're talking.
Speaker 4: About, like a band.
Speaker 1: Like a like a band.
Speaker 2: I guess you know you know who is huge and
Speaker 2: there's it's not my culture at all, But whose people
Speaker 2: really live for is grateful dead?
Speaker 4: Grateful dead? And let me tell you it's also Bruce
Speaker 4: Springsteen dear friend of mine. I was at his concert
Speaker 4: in Barcelona, and you know he's got e street band.
Speaker 4: It's it is music, it is it's a band, yes,
Speaker 4: you know it's it's like it's the drummer, it's the
Speaker 4: horn section, it's all of it. And they were playing
Speaker 4: jazz and they flipped into you know, uh Nora Orleans.
Speaker 4: You know, they did it all in addition to rock.
Speaker 4: But this is you know, let's make up ps A
Speaker 4: for Music and Education in public schools, right, because this
Speaker 4: is you know, all talent doesn't come from the rich, right,
Speaker 4: Talent is born, and if there's no place for kids
Speaker 4: to access a trumpet or you know, a set of drums,
Speaker 4: they don't get to cultivate that talent, right.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: Broad That's why I love Broadway. You know, Broadway to
Speaker 4: me is like where the real you know, I don't
Speaker 4: want to sell anybody, but it's like it's where the
Speaker 4: real talent lies. I mean, you go to these shows
Speaker 4: and it's like everybody is a freaking star. It's like
Speaker 4: you should have a concert. The guy who's playing the
Speaker 4: backup to the you should have a you know, old album.
Speaker 4: You know, it's just that's why I love Broadway because
Speaker 4: it's the place where real talent can can can come
Speaker 4: and the fact that they do a day in and
Speaker 4: day out with the same level of energy. They're flying
Speaker 4: without a net every night, and it's just phenomenal to watch,
Speaker 4: which I don't know. Did I digress a bit? No?
Speaker 2: No, I was gonna say before we ask you your
Speaker 2: response to the culture question, I have two questions for you. One,
Speaker 2: are you going to get a chance to or have
Speaker 2: already seen Cowboy Carter Tour?
Speaker 4: Oh? Yes, yeah, I mean it is the sojourn of
Speaker 4: me and my daughters and I and Beyonce's my girl,
Speaker 4: first of all, I mean we are that's my girl,
Speaker 4: her back. So the girls and I have gone to
Speaker 4: every concert that she's had. So we did Cowboy Carter
Speaker 4: and uh where were we were in?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 4: We were in New York. We did the New York
Speaker 4: the Rain show. Were You in the Rain?
Speaker 5: Yes, that's one of the parts.
Speaker 4: Were You in the Rain?
Speaker 5: I was?
Speaker 1: And she would think she would be sympathetic, but no,
Speaker 1: she was just letting you know.
Speaker 4: But the entire concert, I mean poor for the entire concert,
Speaker 4: and none.
Speaker 5: Of them missed the beat you're talking.
Speaker 4: They didn't miss a beat a dancer. There may have
Speaker 4: been a slippage once maybe maybe, but they made it
Speaker 4: look like it was. The stage was just a puddle
Speaker 4: and she was stopping. She just performed away and beautiful.
Speaker 1: She looks I mean, she looks better than ever, sounds.
Speaker 5: Better than ever.
Speaker 2: Are you This probably was my favorite one of the
Speaker 2: whole thing was when Blue Ivy stomps out galvanized with
Speaker 2: the towel wipe down the stage and then shredded, and.
Speaker 4: That's of her own making. Beyonce was like, I look
Speaker 4: down in one performance in the rain and there's Blue
Speaker 4: cleaning the stage. She's like, what are you doing? She's like,
Speaker 4: I'm doing my solo. Somebody's getting this ready for me.
Speaker 5: And because you want to.
Speaker 2: Know what like, she also knows that everyone's watching TikTok
Speaker 2: every night, looking at every single movement, like the probably
Speaker 2: the most scrutinized performer.
Speaker 4: In the world right now is and everyone.
Speaker 2: Is watching every second of it to see, like, is
Speaker 2: she as good?
Speaker 4: Beyonce, Well, she's she's baby good, She's she is she's
Speaker 4: in middle school, all right, okay, people, I mean she
Speaker 4: is like a worker horse, and that's what she's learning
Speaker 4: that's what her parents are demanding of her, Like, okay,
Speaker 4: if you if you say you want to do this,
Speaker 4: then you got to do it, and you've got to
Speaker 4: perfect your craft. So yes, I was there and loving it. Try.
Speaker 5: Yes, we're going to We're going to go in Paris. Yes,
Speaker 5: next week.
Speaker 4: I was thinking about trying to go and get a
Speaker 4: dry show in so I could go down on stage,
Speaker 4: but I just don't know. You let him manage it.
Speaker 2: And the last thing before we asked you the culture
Speaker 2: question was I need to know specifically Oh Mary, Oh,
Speaker 2: what is Michelle Obama's experience at Oh Mary, because we.
Speaker 3: Imagine that everyone's kind of turning to you to see
Speaker 3: how you're responding.
Speaker 4: To specific Well A lot of times I sneak in afterwards,
Speaker 4: so I don't think that people knew I was there
Speaker 4: because I come in at dark and slipping on the side,
Speaker 4: and and I didn't know fully what O Mary was right,
Speaker 4: So I went with a friend and it was a recommendation.
Speaker 4: They said it's play, and and I didn't do the research,
Speaker 4: which I usually do, so I wasn't sure what was
Speaker 4: going on right, and then a scene one and I
Speaker 4: am cracking up yes, but feeling like, oh my god,
Speaker 4: if people see me laughing, it's gonna be on page
Speaker 4: six and somebody. But it was. I loved it so
Speaker 4: happy for the Tony Winn. I mean, you know, just
Speaker 4: out of out of your mind. It's like, this is
Speaker 4: what you think, who thought of this? What's going on
Speaker 4: inside that head? That thought of the retelling of history
Speaker 4: in this very interesting but powerful way. Just I loved
Speaker 4: it it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And also when you get to know Cole and
Speaker 2: you really realize that so much of their actual personal
Speaker 2: experience is in that show, even if you don't know,
Speaker 2: like the things that they've struggled with and what they
Speaker 2: wanted and the kind of resistance they've been met with
Speaker 2: is all in there.
Speaker 1: And that that I think makes it, you know, in the.
Speaker 4: Bones of Mary Todd Lincoln.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: So yeah, I'm happy to know that you had.
Speaker 4: An amazing time, had a great time.
Speaker 2: Gotta know, Michelle Obamba, the culture that made you say
Speaker 2: culture was for you.
Speaker 4: You know now that we're talking, it is music. It's
Speaker 4: still music. And it's interesting that so much of that
Speaker 4: cultural moment for us was music, and for me it
Speaker 4: was a musical show. Soul Train, right, it was the
Speaker 4: competitor to American Bandstand. Yes, the music dance show that
Speaker 4: was on in the late sixties and seventies Don Cornelius,
Speaker 4: the Soul Train.
Speaker 5: The dancing there, I guess like.
Speaker 4: The line yes, which is now done at every wedding reception,
Speaker 4: a party it o ridges for those of you who
Speaker 4: don't know that came from Soul Train, but to see
Speaker 4: every week, you know, all these cool young black kids
Speaker 4: doing all the latest dances, wearing all the latest seventies fashion,
Speaker 4: the bell bottoms, the big afros, and the top it
Speaker 4: off with some huge musical guests, the latest in R
Speaker 4: and B performing in your living room on television Saturday mornings,
Speaker 4: because that's when it came on, you know, and we'd
Speaker 4: all get up and you try to do the dances
Speaker 4: and you create your own Soul Train line. I mean
Speaker 4: that's for me. I love to dance, I love music,
Speaker 4: I love Broadway. If I had any ounce of talent,
Speaker 4: I think that's what God saved the world, because if
Speaker 4: I had, if I could sing a note, if I
Speaker 4: could dance a dance, I'd be up every minute, just
Speaker 4: like would you like me to sing for you? I
Speaker 4: would be singing for everyone it's like these talented people
Speaker 4: who were embarrassed and they don't sing. It's like, no,
Speaker 4: I can't. It's like, if that was.
Speaker 1: Me, i'd choose really talented. I'm sure you really talented.
Speaker 4: I don't think I think I'm regular.
Speaker 6: I think she could have been really talented. She's just
Speaker 6: a perfectionist, so she would have never thought it was right.
Speaker 2: You know, I hear that, like sometimes it's you chuck
Speaker 2: yourself out of things because it's not gonna be perfect.
Speaker 1: But then all of a sudden, the world.
Speaker 2: Has been you know, robbed of its rights.
Speaker 1: Correct.
Speaker 4: But back to soul Train.
Speaker 3: Back to soul training, you know, quest to do this
Speaker 3: night at Brooklyn Bull where he would do like a
Speaker 3: soul train and play clips. And it was like me
Speaker 3: like fully as an adult, sort of digesting this for
Speaker 3: the first like I always knew about soul Train, but
Speaker 3: then just like actually watching the footage and the clips,
Speaker 3: it is just this mesmerizing thing where everyone we talk
Speaker 3: about like being like that person deserves their own show
Speaker 3: and concert. Every single frame, you're like, that's the most
Speaker 3: beautiful group of people dressed.
Speaker 4: The women were gorgeous. They you know that their movements
Speaker 4: were unique they introduced new dances, and you know, culture
Speaker 4: was created in that room.
Speaker 6: It was the first video music show that we experienced.
Speaker 6: There were no music videos back the visuals where you could.
Speaker 4: See the artists performing even though they were lip syncing
Speaker 4: right because they you know, they lip sync to a track.
Speaker 1: But unless they were on like the Flip Wilson Show
Speaker 1: or Carol.
Speaker 6: Variety Show, you would see people performing live music on television.
Speaker 3: So for us, yeah, were your parents also tuning in
Speaker 3: or was this Oh yeah.
Speaker 4: It was family viewing if my dad was home, it
Speaker 4: was you know, we had one TV, so you know,
Speaker 4: we lived in the age where you watched what was
Speaker 4: on TV. And we got control of the TV during
Speaker 4: the Soul Train hours, you know, and everyone and we
Speaker 4: all got up tried the dances out. You'd go outside
Speaker 4: after Soul Train and talk about what you saw with
Speaker 4: your friends and try to recreate the moves. And you know,
Speaker 4: it was the fashion was you know, off the chain.
Speaker 4: It was where a lot of fashion culture began and ended.
Speaker 4: You see the inspiration in current fashion today, even the colors,
Speaker 4: the color blocking. It just you know amazing, and it
Speaker 4: made me sort of want to be older and cooler.
Speaker 4: It wanted, you know, I was. I was curious about
Speaker 4: who these people were and how you set these tones,
Speaker 4: and you know where you found the courage to be
Speaker 4: that creative. And then the other moment for me was
Speaker 4: when I bought and was given Because I bought it
Speaker 4: and was given my first album. I was given it
Speaker 4: by my maternal grandfather, who we called Southside, who was
Speaker 4: a record officionado. He had a huge album collection. Didn't
Speaker 4: have a lot of money, but he had two turntables,
Speaker 4: a reel to reel. I mean he literally had his
Speaker 4: house wired for sounds, speakers in every room. But he
Speaker 4: was a jazz aficionado, had a huge jazz collection that
Speaker 4: I think we're now donating to the OPC. Oh. Yeah,
Speaker 4: so the OPC will be able to preserve it, but
Speaker 4: I hope that's in the works.
Speaker 1: Two bedroomhouse with twenty five speakers in the.
Speaker 4: Bathroom, in everybody's bedroom. They we grew up with music
Speaker 4: playing twenty four to seven. There wasn't a time that
Speaker 4: my grant when he woke up, the music went on.
Speaker 4: And you had to learn how to take care of
Speaker 4: the album right if you used it, you had to
Speaker 4: clean it, you had to hold it at the edges.
Speaker 4: You couldn't stack them. You couldn't. You didn't play put
Speaker 4: the needle in the middle of the album. You had
Speaker 4: to start it at the beginning because you could scratch
Speaker 4: the record. I mean, there was a culture to that
Speaker 4: he gave me for it was one of my birthdays.
Speaker 4: He gave me Stevie Wonder's talking book Talking Books Songs
Speaker 4: in the Key of Life.
Speaker 5: I knew you were going to say Stevie won.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Well, I think I talk about Stevie whit he
Speaker 4: He was also he to my culture, you know, because
Speaker 4: he was the first musician. And we did this beautiful
Speaker 4: podcast on Stevie through Higher Ground The Wonder of Stevie,
Speaker 4: and I recommend it because it is a fascinating look
Speaker 4: at why Stevie Wonder is a musical genius. It covers
Speaker 4: his five albums. No one has produced that quality and
Speaker 4: amount of record of music production in such a short
Speaker 4: period of time. Questlov was the producer with that co
Speaker 4: produced it with us, so I learned even more about Stevie.
Speaker 4: But talking book, that album it was that led with
Speaker 4: You Are the Sunshine of My Life. It was one
Speaker 4: of his first independent or first or second independent albums
Speaker 4: that when he was in charge of his career, wrote
Speaker 4: and produced everything. So it was his sound. It wasn't motown.
Speaker 4: Nobody was controlling him, and it was it was a
Speaker 4: cultural experience for me as a ten year old because
Speaker 4: it was also one of the first albums that came
Speaker 4: with the lyrics on the Jackass right, And I would
Speaker 4: spend hours, just hours, immersed in his music. In the lyrics.
Speaker 4: You know, there was opera in it, there was jazz,
Speaker 4: there was sex, there was love, there was there was
Speaker 4: political you know, statements being made. A song entitled big Brother.
Speaker 4: You know your name is big Brother. You say you're
Speaker 4: watching me on the Telly, seeing me go nowhere? I
Speaker 4: mean lyrics so that like I was reading and going
Speaker 4: he is telling us something here. And it was the
Speaker 4: first album where it wasn't just about a music the music,
Speaker 4: but it was about the message. So you know, that
Speaker 4: album was one of those cultural experiences that took me
Speaker 4: to the next layer. And like it wasn't just fashion,
Speaker 4: it wasn't just the moves. It was like art. It
Speaker 4: was art.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, at what point from getting the album
Speaker 3: to like understanding what all of the messaging might have
Speaker 3: meant and all this context about it being independent production
Speaker 3: and that there was you know, not influenced by Motown necessarily.
Speaker 1: Like when does that knowledge come through you?
Speaker 6: Oh?
Speaker 4: I didn't know that when I was ten, of course,
Speaker 4: you know, I've learned that over the course of a
Speaker 4: lifetime of following.
Speaker 1: Stevie or Stepen's your love for the album.
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly right, which is why this podcast will take
Speaker 4: you to different places with him. But even without all
Speaker 4: that information at ten, at ten years old, yeah, that
Speaker 4: album moved me to a place that I didn't know
Speaker 4: you could go with music and art. So it was
Speaker 4: and still resonates. I mean, I still have that album
Speaker 4: on my playlist. It's part of my the soundtrack, it's
Speaker 4: my soundtrack. It's like it's my you know, Stevie is
Speaker 4: the music that gets me going right before I'm about
Speaker 4: to give a speech, you know, when I'm on the
Speaker 4: way in a car to do something hard. You know,
Speaker 4: there is some kind of song that Stevie has made
Speaker 4: that will get me to that place.
Speaker 2: It's impossible to pick a favorite. I'm literally sitting here
Speaker 2: there like, is it if you really love me?
Speaker 5: Is it lately?
Speaker 1: Is it all fair?
Speaker 4: It is a superstitious you know what I mean like
Speaker 4: it's he is, yes, yeah.
Speaker 2: Before we do, I don't think so, honey, I wanted
Speaker 2: to ask if you remembered something, So this actually came
Speaker 2: to me, like it was like one of those memories
Speaker 2: the other day years ago. It was twenty sixteen. You
Speaker 2: were on Jimmy Fallon's show and people were doing the
Speaker 2: thing where they were speaking to the portrait of you
Speaker 2: and then you came out.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So there was a guy named Henry who went last,
Speaker 2: and he was he was he was speaking to you
Speaker 2: and you came out and you had this moment together.
Speaker 1: That was my boyfriend at the time.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was just oh wow, that was such.
Speaker 2: A tough time obviously, I would imagine for everybody involved.
Speaker 2: And I remember just like he is and remains he's
Speaker 2: a dear friend of our still to this day, and
Speaker 2: he was the sweetest is the sweetest person ever. And
Speaker 2: I just remember watching you guys have that moment, like
Speaker 2: I just it was just such an emotional memory for
Speaker 2: me to have the other day and just it was
Speaker 2: it was do you remember that happened?
Speaker 4: I absolutely remember that. I mean, look, one of the
Speaker 4: greatest gifts that I had being first Lady was being
Speaker 4: able to interact with people who felt impacted by anything
Speaker 4: that we had done, right, because we're living in like
Speaker 4: an ivy tower with security guards, and you know, it's
Speaker 4: the rare personal interaction where you could be with someone
Speaker 4: outside of a photo line and just experience them in
Speaker 4: that way. Meant as much to me as it did
Speaker 4: to him, And so yeah, I remember it all. What
Speaker 4: a small world.
Speaker 2: It was such a lift and it remains a lift
Speaker 2: as a memory for me and I know for him.
Speaker 2: So I just wanted to shout out Henry and wow
Speaker 2: I remember.
Speaker 4: But like now I'm craving to see that clip again.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, the love going on the talk shows and
Speaker 4: doing those stunts and bits with with Jimmy and others.
Speaker 4: They you know, it was like they would just play right.
Speaker 4: It's like she's game for anything. And I was like, yeah,
Speaker 4: I'm pretty much game for anything. But we would have
Speaker 4: some of the best interactions messing with the public.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking back and I'm thinking nowadays they would
Speaker 2: never get away with that because it's like if you
Speaker 2: go in there, it's like, oh, you're going to talk
Speaker 2: to this portrait of Michelle Obama.
Speaker 5: I think everyone will be like, well, she behind that
Speaker 5: it's like.
Speaker 1: You were shocked, and he really was.
Speaker 2: I was like, maybe this was at the time where
Speaker 2: we weren't doing as many viral tricks.
Speaker 4: We were not it was the beginning of it, right, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: well I just had to bring that up. Thank you
Speaker 4: for that. Yeah, give him my life.
Speaker 2: Thank you for that, and I will I will. Okay,
Speaker 2: So it's time for I don't think Swanni bo.
Speaker 3: Yes, this is our segment where we take one minute
Speaker 3: to really segment rail against something in culture. Yes, we
Speaker 3: love segments. What a staple of the pod. We both
Speaker 3: have something. So we'll go first, and then we'll and
Speaker 3: then we'll go Cragg and Michelle.
Speaker 1: Yeah you guys style, you know, we'll we'll see you
Speaker 1: if we're good.
Speaker 3: I've decided to take a risk today with mine. Mine
Speaker 3: might alienate some folks. I'm keeping an eye on everybody
Speaker 3: out there. Mine's gonna alienate no one. But people are
Speaker 3: gonna be like, now, don't no one has to be concerned.
Speaker 1: But yeah, let's go for it. Let's go for it.
Speaker 1: This is Matt Rodgers. I don't think so many as
Speaker 1: time starts now, I don't think so honey.
Speaker 2: Lack of digerido in popular music, The digity do is
Speaker 2: the instrument of Australia and I don't understand why we're
Speaker 2: not utilizing it.
Speaker 5: Lady Gaga, I'm looking at you.
Speaker 2: If there's gonna be a pop star that brings the
Speaker 2: digeridoo into complete pop culture dominance, it's gonna be you, Gaga.
Speaker 2: It's the one thing missing from Mayhem, which is perfect otherwise.
Speaker 2: Oh and Yang, I don't think so, honey, You're about
Speaker 2: to believe his didery do impression.
Speaker 1: Do it?
Speaker 5: That sound is amazing.
Speaker 1: Don't you want that over a beat? Don't you want
Speaker 1: to throw at the club?
Speaker 4: I do?
Speaker 2: I feel like let's move. I feel let's get this
Speaker 2: out here. Let's let's get someone who can play the digitydo.
Speaker 2: Because you know they're not making money because you're not
Speaker 2: booking them enough. We need to take it out of
Speaker 2: Australia and bring it international.
Speaker 5: The digital is global. I want the digery doo. Lady
Speaker 5: gotta go. I'm calling you out, Sabrina Carpenter. I'm talking
Speaker 5: about second. We're all the one of your Parisian concert together.
Speaker 5: Bring out the digredo.
Speaker 1: Oh my, I thought for it. You're a picture. You're
Speaker 1: a picture full of juice.
Speaker 4: I have yours if you haven't thought of it.
Speaker 1: Oh, okay, let's see what sometimes you do?
Speaker 2: Know more because sometimes I'm coming in here and I'm like,
Speaker 2: what pisses me off?
Speaker 1: And then you find that I can assign you one
Speaker 1: pretty pretty regular. We should try that.
Speaker 2: We should do that one time. Like I like, right
Speaker 2: right as we're about to hit play, you tell me
Speaker 2: what mine is and I go, oh.
Speaker 1: I like that idea. Thank you for inspiring and.
Speaker 4: Ship although he can't do it. It's like, this is
Speaker 4: the thing who can do a minute on anything other than.
Speaker 2: Let me tell you something. We went down to Epic
Speaker 2: Universe in Orlando. There's an opening of the new theme
Speaker 2: park Universal, and they had us do one in the
Speaker 2: ninety seven degree heat humility.
Speaker 5: I think we.
Speaker 1: Almost almost died.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, I think we almost lost our life.
Speaker 5: I don't think Sonny, you know the Constellation carousel.
Speaker 4: Don't you have human resources on your shop? Someone actually issue?
Speaker 5: I don't think Sony is a liability.
Speaker 4: It's like, where are the union rules?
Speaker 5: That's exactly right. Need we need a podcasting union?
Speaker 4: We do?
Speaker 1: We do?
Speaker 5: Wow?
Speaker 1: Why not?
Speaker 5: I'm starter? Okay, So I'm ready to alienate by one?
Speaker 2: Has he he when he really rips these up, they
Speaker 2: can This is Bowen Yang's out on things, So, honey,
Speaker 2: his time starts now.
Speaker 3: I don't think so, honey, Why is pet food looking
Speaker 3: delicious and commercial?
Speaker 5: I'm doing I'm watching.
Speaker 3: The Tonys and there's a fancy feast Gems commercial working
Speaker 3: on a plate.
Speaker 5: It really did.
Speaker 2: The cat's not eating it out of a plate, and
Speaker 2: then they garnish it with rosemary.
Speaker 5: Why are you making it presentable for human consumption?
Speaker 3: Because I'm sitting at home going, well, my mouth is watering,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna eat this. And then I red an article
Speaker 3: in the Atlantic about how there is the gourmet dog
Speaker 3: food market is exploding.
Speaker 1: Dress a Micheline chef is making dog.
Speaker 4: Food for dogs. It's it's it's it's really getting out
Speaker 4: of control.
Speaker 3: Your dog doesn't know the difference between kibble and the
Speaker 3: fresh medallions of salmon that are being advertised on these packages.
Speaker 3: In second, your dog deserves the best, Absolutely every deserves
Speaker 3: gourmet food.
Speaker 1: Everybody deserves for meat food.
Speaker 3: But don't make human beings want to eat it because
Speaker 3: I don't, so, honey, me thinking, well, maybe.
Speaker 2: I will try some some whiskers some with some some
Speaker 2: pedigree and that's one minute.
Speaker 5: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: I saw some catfol the other day that looked like
Speaker 2: it should win a James Beard Award.
Speaker 5: This is not okay.
Speaker 2: And also they know what they're doing because it's on
Speaker 2: late at night when the Housewives wrong when people America.
Speaker 6: Have you seen the commercial where the guy kicks the
Speaker 6: girl right, because.
Speaker 4: For the fresh dog food they did you keeping the refrigerator.
Speaker 1: She's like a dog.
Speaker 4: You keep your dog food in the refrigerator, I mean.
Speaker 4: And then he kicks her out of the date and
Speaker 4: he's left here. Yeah, that's that was part of your.
Speaker 5: He brought we went together.
Speaker 1: Was it during the Tony during okay?
Speaker 2: So it's during the Tonys and he pointed it out
Speaker 2: and I was like, oh my god. As a result
Speaker 2: of watching the catful commercial, it's like they.
Speaker 4: Garnish it with row was marrying. It's like, what are
Speaker 4: we doing?
Speaker 5: I don't.
Speaker 2: Know.
Speaker 5: It's because we're the ones buying. Yeah, yeah, we buy.
Speaker 4: That my dog eats her poop. I'm sure she doesn't
Speaker 4: do that.
Speaker 5: I watched it happen when I was a kid. I
Speaker 5: was like, she's no, that's.
Speaker 4: Wrong, you know, but Barrocks still won't let her sit
Speaker 4: on the sofa. She eats her poop and it's like
Speaker 4: she doesn't do it anymore.
Speaker 2: Cats know something that dogs don't, and that's roller Coachure
Speaker 2: number ninety. Cats know something that dogs don't.
Speaker 1: It's just true.
Speaker 5: They know how to work people in a way the
Speaker 5: dogs they do.
Speaker 2: And also they're persistent, nevertheless, never they're demanding.
Speaker 4: They're not persistent, they're insistent.
Speaker 1: Yeah, their cat weird cat people. Yes, we've had two cats.
Speaker 1: We just lost our last cat.
Speaker 4: I mean their cats Flip Forever eighteen twenty one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Missy Icon, Yeah we're cat folks.
Speaker 6: Yeah, may they.
Speaker 2: You know what's funny is like I think I am
Speaker 2: a dog as a person, but I would get a cat.
Speaker 2: I think he's a cat as a person and he
Speaker 2: wants a dog.
Speaker 5: Like that's just is they're not start.
Speaker 1: Okay, who wants to go first?
Speaker 4: Okay you do?
Speaker 1: So are you going to do the one that Michelle suggested?
Speaker 6: No, and we'll tell you what that is after because
Speaker 6: I can't do a whole minute on it.
Speaker 4: Can you do a whole minute on anything? Okay?
Speaker 2: You kill.
Speaker 4: Want smarter? Even though yeah, like the.
Speaker 1: This is Craig robinsons, I don't think so many his
Speaker 1: time starts now.
Speaker 6: I don't think so honey. And I'm talking about balloons.
Speaker 6: Balloons are for birthday parties and baby showers.
Speaker 5: They are not ride in.
Speaker 6: Tell you why, first and foremost, you can die three
Speaker 6: different ways in a balloon. Tell us you can go
Speaker 6: straight up so far that you lose oxygen in your horrible.
Speaker 6: Second thing is that you could go straight down to
Speaker 6: your point and fall out. But the thing is you
Speaker 6: can burn up in a balloon. People do not talk
Speaker 6: that you can burn up. And who are these people
Speaker 6: who are getting in balloons? Chariots? You cannot terrible, You
Speaker 6: cannot control where you're gonna land.
Speaker 5: They got these.
Speaker 1: Trucks to follow you along. You could land in the ocean.
Speaker 1: Take it.
Speaker 5: I don't think so hard. And that's what I don't
Speaker 5: many balloons.
Speaker 2: And I'm like, well, there's so much to say about
Speaker 2: how loud they pop.
Speaker 5: He goes them up.
Speaker 2: But you said hot air balloon travel, and how ridiculous
Speaker 2: it is, because you're right, and you should say it,
Speaker 2: and you did.
Speaker 5: These people are getting up at the ass crap of.
Speaker 3: Dawn to meet up in a big field to get
Speaker 3: in a wicker basket.
Speaker 4: You want to.
Speaker 5: Guys.
Speaker 6: Wait, let's just say you avoid those three ways of dying,
Speaker 6: and you come down the land and the thing turns
Speaker 6: over and you get.
Speaker 3: Suffocated and you get stuff and now, by the way,
Speaker 3: now you're back on land and that's lethal.
Speaker 1: By the way, what do they tell your parents?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 2: Sorry, he died And it was like an idiot because
Speaker 2: he went up in a hot air balloon and didn't
Speaker 2: need to be doing all that.
Speaker 5: So my mom was going to pick upone and say, oh.
Speaker 2: He died being extra well yeah under a big yeah,
Speaker 2: under a big scoopy head like. And I get so
Speaker 2: nervous when I see them holding the big, big balloon parade.
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, the bottom and this.
Speaker 2: Is and I know it's it hasn't gone perfectly well.
Speaker 2: Every time they'll they'll lose control those things absolutely.
Speaker 4: Now we're getting serious, now, thoughts, it's it's like that,
Speaker 4: now we're getting serious. You were concerned, Matt, No, this
Speaker 4: is just like, this is not good.
Speaker 5: This gives me anguish. I do I don't feel like
Speaker 5: this is why I don't think so.
Speaker 1: Honey is a powerful tool for conversation this is great,
Speaker 1: it's great.
Speaker 5: It's cathartic.
Speaker 6: But you know what she wanted me to do it
Speaker 6: on what this world is missing out on ventriloquists.
Speaker 1: You think there should it should be more. I don't,
Speaker 1: just like the digeridoo, just like the I don't agree
Speaker 1: with you. You know what this because it is extremely difficult.
Speaker 1: It is a and and those who can do it
Speaker 1: are really good.
Speaker 5: Yeah have you ever tried?
Speaker 1: I of course I tried.
Speaker 6: Well, well, not good enough for my parents to get
Speaker 6: me a ventriloquist dummy use one of her dolls.
Speaker 5: Okay, do you have you can't do it now?
Speaker 1: No, I can't talk like.
Speaker 5: It is crazy.
Speaker 1: It's crazy because my might lives too far apart. But
Speaker 1: there are guys who can do it. Looks the work tho.
Speaker 5: It's eerie.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's crazy, but it's wonderful. It is a wonderful.
Speaker 1: I just love Ventriquist. They need to bring it back.
Speaker 4: Brought it up in one of our I Am O sessions,
Speaker 4: and I can't remember what kind of I.
Speaker 3: Said in my opinion, Oh yeah, the world where the
Speaker 3: world is missing ventriloquist?
Speaker 4: And I was like, what.
Speaker 6: Is under They're under represented in comedy.
Speaker 1: You're not wrong?
Speaker 5: Is famous? Now? Who's the closest thing? I don't know.
Speaker 4: They were on America's Got Talent, and they would have
Speaker 4: to be that's where they show up. I think you
Speaker 4: have to watch America's Got.
Speaker 5: I want to watch.
Speaker 2: The other night, I shout at this season shot my
Speaker 2: friend Benjamin height Tower.
Speaker 5: What did he?
Speaker 4: What did?
Speaker 2: He's a veteran and he went on America's Got Talent
Speaker 2: and he's sang chapelone Pink Pony Club on while playing.
Speaker 1: The Oh this is gonna make his life that you're
Speaker 1: gonna go watch it? But like I'm telling.
Speaker 4: You, like did he get through?
Speaker 2: And it's going viral onliney.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna watch. Oh my god? Anyways, can we just
Speaker 1: skip mine?
Speaker 5: You guys are so.
Speaker 4: Okay, okay, okay, She's gonna.
Speaker 1: Slay it, all right.
Speaker 3: This is Michelle Obama's I don't think so, honey. Her
Speaker 3: time starts now.
Speaker 4: I don't think so, honey. Seges they still have them
Speaker 4: here in Washington, d C. As part of the Monuments tour.
Speaker 4: They go so slow. It's just annoying that they go
Speaker 4: so slow. You just want to just get off and
Speaker 4: walk walk fast, you know, we are dealing with an
Speaker 4: obesity crisis in the world. We meet people walking and
Speaker 4: if you're on a motorized thing that doesn't move any
Speaker 4: faster than you walk, then I say, please, please take
Speaker 4: the helmet off because you don't need it on a
Speaker 4: segway and just walk a little bit. Walk fast, walk slow,
Speaker 4: walk twenty seconds and they're in the bike lane. Are
Speaker 4: they a bike because it's almost like you're walking in
Speaker 4: the bike lanes.
Speaker 1: You shouldn't.
Speaker 4: You should just be on the sidewalk if you don't
Speaker 4: need to be in the bike lane with the segwe
Speaker 4: you're not moving fast enough. And I just say, please, Americans,
Speaker 4: get off the segues, get rid of them, put your
Speaker 4: walking shoes on, and let's move, you know God.
Speaker 2: And there's a lot of drama about like who belongs
Speaker 2: in what because the bike lane has become a place.
Speaker 1: Where I see a lot of walkers. And this is
Speaker 1: a recipe for d I S A S C.
Speaker 7: Spell it exactly, want to go, that's NYU work it out.
Speaker 4: That's in the college.
Speaker 1: I do hesitate to bring up what is the carbon
Speaker 1: footprint on those too?
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: You're releasing something something for nothing.
Speaker 4: It's like it's not getting you anywhere faster. So it's like,
Speaker 4: and I do. I could go on about scooters too, Yeah,
Speaker 4: you know the electric ones that you know some of
Speaker 4: my staff ride without helmets.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're up in there now.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Well, I'm just glad that I don't drive anymore with
Speaker 4: the scooter madness, because who are you looking out for
Speaker 4: that pedestrian, the biker the scooter who's like they're they're
Speaker 4: on the sidewalk, they're off the sidewalk. Are you with
Speaker 4: us or not?
Speaker 6: They're in the streets, the street in front of cars.
Speaker 6: It's dangerous.
Speaker 2: Do you think if you got behind the wheel of
Speaker 2: a car now you could still sligh?
Speaker 4: I drive?
Speaker 1: You drive well?
Speaker 4: I drive in certain places, yes, I say, And I
Speaker 4: can still drive.
Speaker 1: I have not been in the car with her drive, which.
Speaker 4: Like what it doesn't count because you haven't seen it,
Speaker 4: so you get Usually they drive behind me. They know
Speaker 4: I can drive. I have not had an accident. I
Speaker 4: remember how to do it. It's like riding a bike.
Speaker 1: Okay, I love it.
Speaker 2: Okay, you know what is kind of like I've taken
Speaker 2: like ten month breaks because I will go to like
Speaker 2: New York for a while and then come back to
Speaker 2: l A and I get and I'm.
Speaker 3: Like, you know, you know, you know I'm not a
Speaker 3: stick And I'm like, do do I know how to
Speaker 3: do that?
Speaker 1: That? That again? Again?
Speaker 4: My first car was a stick. I do it makes
Speaker 4: you feel like you're really driving? Yeah, crank, I'm engaged.
Speaker 4: I'm doing this. This car isn't moving without me.
Speaker 1: Everybody wishes they were a race car driver, you.
Speaker 4: Know, and it all goes back to race car drive.
Speaker 4: He's a Formula one fanatic.
Speaker 1: You are you feeling right now? In this moment? It
Speaker 1: seems like it's really there's a ground swell.
Speaker 6: I cannot wait to see the movie to see how
Speaker 6: banging okay we are.
Speaker 1: We're going to go to the theater with.
Speaker 6: All the sound around and around sound and take the
Speaker 6: boys and get the popcorn on.
Speaker 4: Maybe that's how we get him the Broadway. That if
Speaker 4: Formula one goes on Broadway, maybe we'll see you saw
Speaker 4: we were talking about talking about that.
Speaker 6: I think it was Romeo and Juliet, but it wasn't
Speaker 6: on broad.
Speaker 4: It So have you ever been to a Broadway? I have,
Speaker 4: but I can't remember what crazy You're not?
Speaker 5: No?
Speaker 1: I saw Hamilton he's not my brother Hamilton, not on Broadway.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, but he.
Speaker 4: Didn't remember it like it did come to mind like
Speaker 4: I think. I think he doesn't know.
Speaker 5: I can't.
Speaker 2: It's just not don't know.
Speaker 4: It's like, how do you not know it?
Speaker 1: Because it's because you do. And you know what I
Speaker 1: saw miss on the movie. I enjoyed it.
Speaker 5: There you go.
Speaker 2: I enjoyed it publically publically, so did we there, guys?
Speaker 5: Really I enjoyed that.
Speaker 4: Yes, yes, I'm going to amazing and I'm going to
Speaker 4: take you to some Broadway show you love, oh Mary.
Speaker 1: I But you guys have to understand.
Speaker 6: So I have thirty two year old and still have
Speaker 6: a thirteen year old, and in between I'm coaching teams
Speaker 6: where I have fifteen other people's kids in.
Speaker 4: My care so, and it had an excuse.
Speaker 1: I wanted them to play well for me. So I
Speaker 1: didn't take him to a Broadway show. I took him
Speaker 1: to a baseball game.
Speaker 4: More sporting all the time. You don't go to New York.
Speaker 4: You were just there?
Speaker 1: No, no, no, I.
Speaker 6: Was not there, Kelly and the Yeah, I guess I'm
Speaker 6: trying to.
Speaker 2: Like Hell's Kitchen because law here, it's so good and another
Speaker 2: thing the boys would.
Speaker 1: So our kids.
Speaker 6: We take our kids to see stuff in our area,
Speaker 6: but we just haven't made a sojourn to broad.
Speaker 1: You'll know a lot of too, obviously because it's Alicia.
Speaker 2: So it's like that's another way in too, I think,
Speaker 2: because that's it's like kind of controversial, the Wholy jukebox
Speaker 2: musical thing because I love it, but it is a
Speaker 2: way to bring people to Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I was thinking about what you guys were
Speaker 6: saying when you were talking about empty nesters and what
Speaker 6: you're going to do now and once I finally get
Speaker 6: there in five years, not like I'm counting, but we'll.
Speaker 1: Do stuff like that. Yeah, we'll do stuff like it'll
Speaker 1: be there, It'll be there.
Speaker 2: It's exciting to get to. Like my parents are traveling
Speaker 2: internationally for the first time ever now and in this
Speaker 2: phase of their life. They're going to Greece in September,
Speaker 2: and I'm just so excited for them. And it's just
Speaker 2: something that wouldn't have happened before because whatever, like financial
Speaker 2: concerns or time or whatever.
Speaker 1: So it's it's a real like a gift to get
Speaker 1: that any new experience opportunity.
Speaker 4: I think I'm a is going to get you into
Speaker 4: a whole new world of culture, and you know.
Speaker 1: I'm looking forward to it. Okay, I mean, so you guys,
Speaker 1: you guys are loving.
Speaker 5: Doing the podcast.
Speaker 6: Yeah, oh it's so much, so good. You know, we
Speaker 6: were so close growing up and then work in all
Speaker 6: the White House that it just us apart, and now
Speaker 6: we get to be back together kind of like we
Speaker 6: were before. Because when we are together, it's as if
Speaker 6: we are in the same bedroom throwing the pillow over
Speaker 6: the top and she's catching it and throwing it back
Speaker 6: to me. You can feel that, I can feel you
Speaker 6: can feel that. Oh yeah, oh you can feel no, yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 2: And I mean, like we will say, you know, before
Speaker 2: before we wrap, I just want to say that we
Speaker 2: had such an incredible time.
Speaker 1: On your podcast and.
Speaker 2: Just to even like be able to talk with you
Speaker 2: guys and get to know you is so special. And
Speaker 2: the fact that you'd welcome us onto your platform is
Speaker 2: you know, it's moving, emotional, it's so fun and all
Speaker 2: the things, and so we just had the best time today.
Speaker 4: Well, you guys are special. You really are smart as
Speaker 4: all get out, funny, talented, the advice you give, the
Speaker 4: you know, the joy, the fun you're bringing into people's lives.
Speaker 4: You know, we need it right now and we couldn't
Speaker 4: be more proud of you both. And it has been
Speaker 4: an honor to spend this time with you. But it
Speaker 4: will not be the last time we're podcasters. Now we
Speaker 4: are part of the podcast.
Speaker 5: You guys are the experts.
Speaker 4: So we feel we still have not fully talked about
Speaker 4: the Old house by so we may need. I'm gonna
Speaker 4: do a whole tutorial for him. Yes, that's a good primer.
Speaker 2: Yeah, start with New York season seven when Bethany comes back.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, for you to think about.
Speaker 4: So clear, that's a clear direction because.
Speaker 5: It's how I started it. I'm okay.
Speaker 2: Whenever people ask me how to get into survivor, which
Speaker 2: we're also big survivors, Okay, Now I have a syllabus, okay,
Speaker 2: and this is important and helpful.
Speaker 1: It's a tool. It's academic.
Speaker 4: Really.
Speaker 6: Yeah, So all right, I was gonna start with the
Speaker 6: Rhode Island Housewives, but I'm gonna sell Salt Lake City.
Speaker 1: Yes, we're giving you a lot of conflicting information.
Speaker 5: And we're saying a lot of things.
Speaker 4: That's okay, we can sum it up. We'll give him
Speaker 4: a memo.
Speaker 1: Follow directions.
Speaker 4: But yeah, you guys are amazing.
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