1 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:08,720 Speaker 1: I'm not going to bad mouth today's country music, but 2 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:10,600 Speaker 1: I have a friend, a songwriter buddy of mine said, 3 00:00:10,600 --> 00:00:13,120 Speaker 1: today's country music sounds like three beer commercials strung together 4 00:00:13,160 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 1: because they just don't tell stories anymore. It's like you're hot, 5 00:00:15,120 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: I'm hot, getting the truck. 6 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,160 Speaker 2: All right? Episode four hundred and twenty. Heath right from Ricochet. 7 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 2: You know Rickochet from Daddy's Money. She's got a daddy's money. 8 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,400 Speaker 2: Her mama is good, looks more Left, said a stack 9 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 2: of comic books. What do I know? Which went top three? 10 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:39,040 Speaker 2: I've gone breedomny Eyday, love is stronger than Pride. 11 00:00:39,200 --> 00:00:42,320 Speaker 3: If I gotta get down money. 12 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,199 Speaker 2: Rick Achet that hits in more Than and Now came 13 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:48,200 Speaker 2: out on August eighteenth. They're from Oklahoma. Mike. My question 14 00:00:48,400 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 2: is because my wife ended up coming down. She's only 15 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 2: ever been done twice. She came down to watch this 16 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 2: because she knows Heath, because she grew up with Heath, 17 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 2: because Heat's older than her. But it's from the same town. Basically, 18 00:00:59,600 --> 00:01:02,200 Speaker 2: did you set this up because you knew. 19 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 4: That I didn't have any idea. I remembered after the 20 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:07,640 Speaker 4: fact that you had mentioned being at a party where 21 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 4: he was and performed mm hmm, and then I was like, oh, yeah, 22 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 4: that's why a funeral. Wasn't there another situation where the 23 00:01:14,280 --> 00:01:16,000 Speaker 4: opry Okay, yeah, that's what it was. 24 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 2: Yeah, but she said, did Mike she just knew that 25 00:01:19,000 --> 00:01:21,360 Speaker 2: you knew? She was like, surely, he said, I said no, 26 00:01:21,360 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 2: I don't think so. I think it's because they have 27 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:24,400 Speaker 2: a record out. Yeah, the record. We tried to do 28 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 2: a lot of different artists. I just love doing the 29 00:01:26,600 --> 00:01:30,720 Speaker 2: nineties country. Yeah, me too, So all right, Ricochet they 30 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:32,360 Speaker 2: want ACM Award back in the day. It's something I 31 00:01:32,360 --> 00:01:34,240 Speaker 2: didn't know about them, and you'll hear it later. It's 32 00:01:34,280 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 2: not a spoiler. 33 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:35,160 Speaker 3: Who cares. 34 00:01:35,360 --> 00:01:38,120 Speaker 2: They started as a cover band. It's so rare that 35 00:01:38,120 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 2: that happens, where there's a cover band that's so good. 36 00:01:40,400 --> 00:01:42,679 Speaker 2: They had turned into like a band that's actually making 37 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:46,680 Speaker 2: original music. So there they are. Ricochet. For more information 38 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:50,240 Speaker 2: ricochet online dot com. I can't spell Ricochet though, so 39 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 2: good luck google it. All right, thank you. Here is 40 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:55,919 Speaker 2: Heath right from Ricochet. Heath, good to see buddy, you too, Bobby, 41 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:58,080 Speaker 2: good to be here. My wife is also in the room. 42 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,280 Speaker 2: She didn't want to be a part of the interview 43 00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 2: or anything, but she was like, Hey, I want to 44 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 2: go down and hang out. Has she only ever done 45 00:02:04,200 --> 00:02:06,840 Speaker 2: this twice? Jake? Oh, and who's a friend of ours? 46 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,440 Speaker 2: And Ronnie Down who's a friend of ours? And you 47 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 2: who she's known since she said she was five years 48 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,720 Speaker 2: old eight, well zero years old. 49 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've known your families long before you were born. 50 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:22,440 Speaker 2: I grew up with your uncle, your uncle Jeff. Yes, 51 00:02:22,520 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 2: so how did how did how do you know her family? 52 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,239 Speaker 1: Well, they're from Vienna, Oklahoma. Her her mom and her uncle, 53 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,040 Speaker 1: Jeff grew up in Yana, Oklahoma, which is where I'm from. 54 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 2: And oh, you're from Vienne. 55 00:02:33,120 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 1: From yes, I will. I grew up on a cattle 56 00:02:35,960 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 1: rast just north of Ja. 57 00:02:36,880 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 2: Yeah. 58 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:39,119 Speaker 1: I went went to all public school all through Vien 59 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: you know. So that's her, her uncle, Jeff and I 60 00:02:42,639 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: like marched in high school band together along with one 61 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 1: of the original members of Ricochet, who I think you 62 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: guys know, Greg Cook? 63 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:50,880 Speaker 2: We know Greg? Yeah, So he's the three of us. 64 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,000 Speaker 1: We were kind of, you know, we were band nerds 65 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:53,560 Speaker 1: back in the day. 66 00:02:53,840 --> 00:02:57,880 Speaker 2: So you and Jeff were friends, and Jeff and Greg 67 00:02:57,919 --> 00:02:58,520 Speaker 2: were friends. 68 00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:00,600 Speaker 1: Technically, it's more like the other way around. Jeff and 69 00:03:00,600 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: Greg were friends. They were in the same class. They 70 00:03:02,280 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 1: graduated in eighty three, and I was the young kid 71 00:03:04,560 --> 00:03:06,320 Speaker 1: that just kind of hung out with them. I've graduated 72 00:03:06,360 --> 00:03:08,359 Speaker 1: a couple years later than them. After them, we. 73 00:03:08,280 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 2: Were over Ateff's house and he had instruments everywhere in 74 00:03:10,200 --> 00:03:12,000 Speaker 2: his house. He had like horns and he had like 75 00:03:12,120 --> 00:03:13,079 Speaker 2: seven horns. Yeah. 76 00:03:13,240 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: Well, he buys things off of you know, He'll go 77 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: on Facebook marketplace and he'll just buy anything that's available 78 00:03:18,840 --> 00:03:20,720 Speaker 1: and he'll donate it to the school. Because he lives 79 00:03:20,800 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: he splits his time between Houston and Vyenne. 80 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:22,919 Speaker 2: Now. 81 00:03:23,080 --> 00:03:24,959 Speaker 1: He's he retired to like at age forty three or 82 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:27,840 Speaker 1: something and decided to come back home and bought the 83 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: oldest house in Vyanne, renovated it and then just started. 84 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,560 Speaker 1: He's on this Van school board now and he does 85 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 1: things for our community to help bring some industry into 86 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 1: vyan Like we have a Love's gas station now because 87 00:03:39,880 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: of a. 88 00:03:40,400 --> 00:03:42,000 Speaker 2: I've been at that love many times, have you really? 89 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:43,160 Speaker 2: I've been at Vienne many times. 90 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:44,080 Speaker 1: My son works there now. 91 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:46,920 Speaker 2: Really Yeah? Do you so? Where do you live live? Though? 92 00:03:47,040 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: I live on at the cattle ranch just north of there. 93 00:03:48,840 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 2: Oh, you still live in I grew by. 94 00:03:50,640 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: I grew up in Vyenne, I moved off. I came 95 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 1: here to Nashville May eighteenth, nineteen ninety three, and I 96 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:57,880 Speaker 1: lived here exactly fifteen years. I got the last load 97 00:03:57,920 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 1: of stuff, moved back to my rancho on May eighteenth, 98 00:04:00,040 --> 00:04:00,760 Speaker 1: two thousand and eight. 99 00:04:01,680 --> 00:04:03,920 Speaker 2: We saw you here at the Opry, Yes, when you 100 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,160 Speaker 2: guys played the Opry. And we saw you in Oklahoma. 101 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 2: You and Greg played at Caitlin's grandfather's funeral. Yes, so 102 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,320 Speaker 2: I didn't know quite where you lived. I know you're 103 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:15,760 Speaker 2: I mean, it would be nice to live back home. THO, 104 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:16,599 Speaker 2: wouldn't it? I love it. 105 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:18,200 Speaker 1: I moved, like I said, I moved back home in 106 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: two thousand and eight. And I had moved so many 107 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:24,440 Speaker 1: times in my career, in my life. I just told 108 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 1: the guys that helped me get all my stuff back, 109 00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: I said, guys, the next time y'all help me move, 110 00:04:28,040 --> 00:04:29,680 Speaker 1: you're going to be moving me from here to the 111 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 1: funeral home. Because I'm dying here. I'm never leaving again. 112 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,520 Speaker 1: But I come back to Nashville every two or three 113 00:04:34,520 --> 00:04:35,840 Speaker 1: months to do stuff like this. 114 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 2: So you guys are putting out the hits and more. 115 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 2: Is his name of the record. 116 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,240 Speaker 1: It is then and now Ricochet then and now the 117 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:44,200 Speaker 1: hits and more. I don't know why we decided to 118 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,680 Speaker 1: name it twice, but you know, it's a sixteen song project, 119 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:49,359 Speaker 1: but there's new stuff on it. There is new stuff. 120 00:04:49,360 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: It's a whole album's worth of new stuff. Ten new 121 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,240 Speaker 1: songs that we had kind of even back when Greg 122 00:04:54,279 --> 00:04:56,359 Speaker 1: was in the band. We would go in after we 123 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,720 Speaker 1: left Columbia Records back in two thousand, we would go 124 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 1: into the studio with a producer, cut three or four sides, 125 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:03,560 Speaker 1: and then two or three years later we'd do the 126 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:04,120 Speaker 1: same thing when. 127 00:05:04,040 --> 00:05:04,600 Speaker 2: We could afford it. 128 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 1: We were self produced and self funded back then, so 129 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:09,280 Speaker 1: as we could afford it, we would go back into 130 00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:11,839 Speaker 1: the studio and cut another two or three sides. And 131 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: we had ten songs ready to release and no record 132 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:16,600 Speaker 1: label to help us get it out there and just 133 00:05:16,720 --> 00:05:19,640 Speaker 1: distributed and you know, nationwide. So it just sort of 134 00:05:19,680 --> 00:05:21,520 Speaker 1: set in the can for several years. And so this 135 00:05:21,640 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: stuff is some recordings that we did ourselves. Now, when 136 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 1: I say that, your viewers probably already know this, but 137 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 1: Nashville has a certain way of doing things. Back in 138 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 1: the nineties, we weren't even allowed to play on our 139 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:34,560 Speaker 1: own records, so. 140 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 2: Meaning you had to hire. 141 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:37,760 Speaker 1: We had to hire studio casts, and I got to 142 00:05:37,760 --> 00:05:39,479 Speaker 1: play some on the first album and a little bit 143 00:05:39,560 --> 00:05:41,240 Speaker 1: on the third album. I was the only one in 144 00:05:41,279 --> 00:05:44,000 Speaker 1: the band that ever played on any of our original stuff. 145 00:05:43,760 --> 00:05:45,479 Speaker 2: And that's because the label was like, if we're going 146 00:05:45,560 --> 00:05:47,679 Speaker 2: to pay for it, we need to hire these specific 147 00:05:47,760 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 2: people to play on it so that it sounds perfect exactly. 148 00:05:50,640 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 1: And you know, like I said, they have a certain 149 00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:54,080 Speaker 1: way to do it. Producers like to get it done 150 00:05:54,120 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: with over. It's a process, and they wanted the streamline 151 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,360 Speaker 1: the process as quickly as possible so that they can 152 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: have more of the production money to put in their 153 00:06:02,800 --> 00:06:05,640 Speaker 1: own pockets. It's just the way it works. It's just efficiency, 154 00:06:05,720 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: you know. And it takes us so it might take 155 00:06:07,720 --> 00:06:09,679 Speaker 1: us a little bit longer, but that's all right. It's 156 00:06:09,800 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: us playing. So when we went in to do these 157 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:15,840 Speaker 1: every note on the record, on the all to ten 158 00:06:15,960 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: note news side, as well as the six old songs 159 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:21,680 Speaker 1: that we re recorded, it's us playing, us singing. Some 160 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 1: bands don't even get to sing on their own records. 161 00:06:23,920 --> 00:06:28,320 Speaker 1: Wait what yeah, it happens. The lead singer, the lead 162 00:06:28,360 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: singer will sing, but they'll bring harmony guys to do 163 00:06:30,480 --> 00:06:31,479 Speaker 1: all the harmony vocals. 164 00:06:31,480 --> 00:06:33,360 Speaker 2: Why did I do that on our comedy record. Yeah, 165 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 2: it's so much easier if I just got somebody to 166 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 2: sing for my part. When you put out the new songs, 167 00:06:38,040 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 2: when you record them, are these songs that you've had 168 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:41,840 Speaker 2: for a little bit, You're like, man, I cannot wait 169 00:06:41,839 --> 00:06:43,360 Speaker 2: to cut these we feel so good about it? Or 170 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:44,720 Speaker 2: did you kind of write them because you were going 171 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:45,400 Speaker 2: to do something new? 172 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: Well a little bit of both. Like I said, we 173 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: weren't chasing radio at the time, so we weren't looking 174 00:06:50,520 --> 00:06:52,560 Speaker 1: for the next hit. We were just recording songs that 175 00:06:52,560 --> 00:06:54,160 Speaker 1: we love. So there's gonna be some songs on here 176 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: that your viewers and your listeners wouldn't expect from Ricochet. 177 00:06:57,560 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: There's a song one of my favorites is a tune 178 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,720 Speaker 1: that Mark Bressard wrote, a tune called the Beauty of 179 00:07:01,760 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 1: Who You Are? And I just one of the guys 180 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:05,600 Speaker 1: brought the song to the bus one day and played 181 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 1: it and I thought, my god, what an amazing vocalist, 182 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:09,159 Speaker 1: What a great song. 183 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:12,360 Speaker 2: I just love the lyric. It's a real sexy lyric. Uh. 184 00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 2: There starts off with a there's a soft, sweet. 185 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: Space on the back of your neck, smells like rain. 186 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:22,080 Speaker 2: There's a way, there's a there's a way you turn 187 00:07:22,720 --> 00:07:24,600 Speaker 2: telling you it's it's it's a sexy lyric and I 188 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:26,400 Speaker 2: love and the way he sings it just sings the 189 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 2: hell out of it. 190 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 1: And I just wanted to try it, you know, see 191 00:07:29,640 --> 00:07:32,200 Speaker 1: if I could sing it, and uh, I can't. I 192 00:07:32,200 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: can't sing it as good as he. 193 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:34,200 Speaker 2: Did, but I tried. I tried. 194 00:07:34,280 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 1: I did the best I could, so we we got 195 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: a pretty decent little recording on it, added some big 196 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,080 Speaker 1: harmonies to it, the way the way we do things, 197 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 1: and uh, it's really cool guitar stuff that managed they 198 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:46,960 Speaker 1: managed to turn on hit the red button just at 199 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:49,240 Speaker 1: the perfect moment when I was playing good that day. 200 00:07:49,560 --> 00:07:51,480 Speaker 1: So I don't know that's That's one of the tunes 201 00:07:51,480 --> 00:07:53,960 Speaker 1: on there that's a little different, but we did write 202 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,559 Speaker 1: some stuff as well. It's one of my favorite tunes 203 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:59,640 Speaker 1: on there. Is a song that our buddy Greg wrote 204 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: called No Wrong Way to Fall in Love and it's 205 00:08:03,200 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: a it's a story songs. That's what I think is 206 00:08:06,840 --> 00:08:11,320 Speaker 1: the quintessential factor in nineties country is they're great stories. 207 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:14,800 Speaker 1: They tell stories. They take you on a journey. I'm 208 00:08:14,800 --> 00:08:16,720 Speaker 1: not going to bad mouth today's country music, but I 209 00:08:16,720 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 1: have a friend, a songwriter, Buddy Mine, that said today's 210 00:08:19,040 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: county music sounds like three beer commercials strung together because 211 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:23,480 Speaker 1: they just don't tell stories anymore. It's like you're hot, 212 00:08:23,480 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: I'm hot getting the truck, and so, I don't know. 213 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 2: You think it's more melody based. 214 00:08:27,640 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, melodies too, And I love songs that start kind 215 00:08:30,120 --> 00:08:32,199 Speaker 1: of low in my register, like on the verses, and 216 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 1: then gives me a chance to really sing out on 217 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:34,840 Speaker 1: the top part of my range. 218 00:08:34,920 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 2: National Anthem, well, yeah, gotta start low. If you startready 219 00:08:38,520 --> 00:08:40,920 Speaker 2: higher than that time you get to the and you're cooked. 220 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:42,400 Speaker 1: I'm telling you. And a lot of people worry about 221 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:43,880 Speaker 1: the high note. I worry about the low note. I 222 00:08:44,000 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: worry I'm not going to be able to hit that 223 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:47,559 Speaker 1: low note with a lot of good depth and stuff, 224 00:08:47,600 --> 00:08:49,520 Speaker 1: you know. But yeah, National Anthem is one of them. 225 00:08:49,520 --> 00:08:51,120 Speaker 1: And we didn't put that one on the. 226 00:08:51,040 --> 00:08:52,360 Speaker 2: New We haven't shuit have though. That was the track 227 00:08:52,360 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 2: you should have done. National Anthem should made up Newverse. 228 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:55,040 Speaker 1: It's gonna be on the what it's going to be 229 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,200 Speaker 1: on the New on the new album, yeah, I promise. 230 00:08:57,400 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 2: So the record came out in August and there's some 231 00:08:59,880 --> 00:09:02,200 Speaker 2: new stuff on there as well. I kind of want 232 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:04,560 Speaker 2: to go back to the origin of the group, and 233 00:09:04,600 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 2: I'm always curious about the name and how many names 234 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 2: you had before you actually settled on the name, and 235 00:09:08,160 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 2: who did you have other names with. You know, it's 236 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:11,720 Speaker 2: kind of like your whole dating history before we talk 237 00:09:11,800 --> 00:09:16,719 Speaker 2: about your your wife. So you started playing music, I'm 238 00:09:16,720 --> 00:09:18,559 Speaker 2: assuming at a very young age, even if it was 239 00:09:18,600 --> 00:09:20,560 Speaker 2: like piano or horn or whatever it was, because you 240 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:21,040 Speaker 2: were in the band. 241 00:09:21,120 --> 00:09:23,160 Speaker 1: Well, I started playing guitar. I took my first guitar 242 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: lesson on the day of my ninth birthday. 243 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 2: Should have a guitar in a band? No you mean? 244 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: And yea yeah, like in the March I played drums 245 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,640 Speaker 1: and marching bands in the fifth grade, but by that 246 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:35,240 Speaker 1: time I was already playing guitar. So you know, they 247 00:09:35,280 --> 00:09:36,959 Speaker 1: didn't have guitar in the marching band, so I had 248 00:09:36,960 --> 00:09:38,600 Speaker 1: to choose another instrument. I kind of wish I had 249 00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:40,959 Speaker 1: to choose a horn of some sort, maybe saxophone. That's 250 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,319 Speaker 1: a sexy instrument, you know, but I didn't have the 251 00:09:43,400 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: amishur for it. I didn't. I've had bad teeth growing up, 252 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,040 Speaker 1: so I didn't have the amishur so I was like, well, 253 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:49,080 Speaker 1: I'll just play drums. 254 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 2: So thirty the three drum thing, I played the Yeah, 255 00:09:53,760 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 2: but I played. 256 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:56,240 Speaker 1: Snare as well. At one time I was a decent 257 00:09:56,320 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: rudimental drummer, so I can play on reda m cues 258 00:09:59,200 --> 00:10:02,000 Speaker 1: and paradiddles all of that stuff. But yeah, I've been 259 00:10:02,000 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 1: played in some Oklahoma state marching bands and stuff. 260 00:10:04,040 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 2: Like that back in you know, Hi Nashville is they 261 00:10:05,640 --> 00:10:07,760 Speaker 2: don't let you do your dam accused of paradidis anymore. Yeah, 262 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 2: I know. It's like they get somebody else do a paradidal. 263 00:10:12,600 --> 00:10:15,040 Speaker 2: So you're you're playing guitar and you're playing drums in 264 00:10:15,080 --> 00:10:17,280 Speaker 2: the band. I feel the same way about band. For me, 265 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:18,760 Speaker 2: I wish I would have just been in the band 266 00:10:18,800 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 2: because I would have loved to have learned how to 267 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 2: play a horn, just for simply knowing how to read 268 00:10:23,320 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 2: music better. Yes, at the time, I was like, I 269 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:27,000 Speaker 2: don't want to get to beget in the band. I 270 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 2: could beat up, I could beat up enough, but I 271 00:10:28,800 --> 00:10:31,440 Speaker 2: wish I would have done that because it would have 272 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,840 Speaker 2: served me so much better than me having to go 273 00:10:33,840 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 2: get a court sheet at Walmart and learn how to 274 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:38,040 Speaker 2: play guitar like I did, you know, because I'm not musically, 275 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 2: I'm not in any way talented musically, so I had 276 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 2: to kind of like struggle with the fingers. But you're right, 277 00:10:43,880 --> 00:10:45,079 Speaker 2: maybe for you too, if you don't learn how to 278 00:10:45,120 --> 00:10:46,199 Speaker 2: play like a French horn. 279 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: True, which is probably I think one of the hardest 280 00:10:48,520 --> 00:10:50,480 Speaker 1: brass instruments to learn how to xylophone, but you know 281 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:52,400 Speaker 1: the xylophone, and then you don't have to march. If 282 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:55,040 Speaker 1: you plays xylophone, you stay there on the sideline, really 283 00:10:55,120 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 1: can't roll them around, no wills. If you play the bells, 284 00:10:57,360 --> 00:10:59,320 Speaker 1: you got the harness, Yeah, to get the harness, but 285 00:10:59,360 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 1: yeah those no no no. Girl comes up and says, hey, 286 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:03,040 Speaker 1: can I can you introduce me? 287 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:04,840 Speaker 2: Can I go? Yeah, I want to. 288 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 1: Meet the xylophone player. 289 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 2: Nobody says that. 290 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: So guitar that was that was the instrument. 291 00:11:08,520 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 2: That will get you a girl. How long did you 292 00:11:10,000 --> 00:11:11,479 Speaker 2: play in the marching band. 293 00:11:11,480 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 1: All through up from fifth grade all through high school? 294 00:11:13,280 --> 00:11:14,760 Speaker 2: And did you play drums the whole time the whole time? 295 00:11:14,800 --> 00:11:17,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, well in marching band, yes, in a pep band 296 00:11:18,040 --> 00:11:20,120 Speaker 1: or excuse me. In a stage band, I played guitar 297 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,040 Speaker 1: pet band, which was our We played at basketball games 298 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:26,120 Speaker 1: pretty much. Only by that time Greg had already left 299 00:11:26,240 --> 00:11:28,160 Speaker 1: to go to college, so I borrowed his bass guitar 300 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 1: and played that in pep band. 301 00:11:29,280 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 2: Okay, talk me through these three here, because I'm very 302 00:11:31,000 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 2: jealous people who play music in band early on marching 303 00:11:33,840 --> 00:11:36,440 Speaker 2: band is I know that because I played football. Just 304 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 2: football games. You're out and in the middle of the field 305 00:11:38,880 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 2: doing the deal. Okay, pep band is basketball only, that's 306 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:43,760 Speaker 2: what we called it. 307 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:46,440 Speaker 1: Pep band. That was our basketball smaller, smaller band. So 308 00:11:46,640 --> 00:11:48,840 Speaker 1: we had a bass guitar and we weren't marching obviously, 309 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 1: so I could get more funk. I could bring an 310 00:11:51,360 --> 00:11:55,040 Speaker 1: app We didn't like marching band arrangements, but I would 311 00:11:55,040 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: take the tube apart and learn it on bass guitar. 312 00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:58,480 Speaker 2: That's cool. 313 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:01,319 Speaker 1: So I wasn't very good reader back then either. I 314 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: could read one line because I was a drummer, but 315 00:12:03,559 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: I knew what all the notes and well the lines 316 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:06,760 Speaker 1: and spaces were. But I was more of a treble 317 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,439 Speaker 1: cleft guy because I played guitar, which is written in 318 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:11,559 Speaker 1: treble cleft. This is for all you music buzz classic 319 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:13,839 Speaker 1: me too, and so the bas bass cleft was a 320 00:12:13,880 --> 00:12:15,079 Speaker 1: little different. So I would have to like get a 321 00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 1: sheet of music and write the letters under each note 322 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,400 Speaker 1: before I could actually learn it. And my mom and 323 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:21,000 Speaker 1: dads like you sure spend a lot of time with 324 00:12:21,040 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 1: this bass guitar. Are you done with your studying? I 325 00:12:23,320 --> 00:12:25,199 Speaker 1: mean that's I mean hours and hours at night. I 326 00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: would just practice the bass part, which I don't even 327 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 1: play bass anymore. I just played it. That was two 328 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:30,959 Speaker 1: years in pep band and that was it. 329 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 2: And then the other one you called it stage band. 330 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, we like jazz band. In most schools, we would 331 00:12:36,960 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: do we would do like how many people in arrangements, 332 00:12:39,520 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: and let's see, guitar bassed drums and it was a 333 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:45,000 Speaker 1: kit of drums, not like a drum line, but a 334 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 1: drum kit, and then you would have horn sections. You'd 335 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:49,240 Speaker 1: have a couple of saxophones, a couple of trumpets. Yeah, 336 00:12:49,280 --> 00:12:50,800 Speaker 1: it was really cool. And I don't know why we 337 00:12:50,840 --> 00:12:52,640 Speaker 1: didn't add a vocal thing. We could have had like 338 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 1: a vocal quartet to it. 339 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:54,920 Speaker 2: But it was nobody saying no. 340 00:12:54,960 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 1: It was just all instrumental arrangements. 341 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:01,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like we did soul if nobody was singing, 342 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:03,000 Speaker 2: But could you sing at that time? 343 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: I could, but I was only singing harmony parts back then. 344 00:13:05,760 --> 00:13:07,800 Speaker 1: It was before my voice changed, and so I was 345 00:13:07,800 --> 00:13:09,760 Speaker 1: singing the high tenor vocals in every band I played 346 00:13:09,800 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 1: it back then. So I started high yeah, yeah, the 347 00:13:13,360 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 1: right above the lead vocal. 348 00:13:14,880 --> 00:13:16,160 Speaker 2: So not not even that high the end. 349 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: Well, it's too high for me to sing. 350 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:22,680 Speaker 2: Now, what's uh, what's what do you what's the really 351 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 2: high one? Uh? 352 00:13:24,360 --> 00:13:25,920 Speaker 1: For female voice to be soprano? 353 00:13:26,040 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 2: Soprano or for a kid had his nuts cut off. 354 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:32,680 Speaker 2: We call those costrados castrado. 355 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: There's an actual term for that. 356 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 2: No, way, we don't. 357 00:13:35,120 --> 00:13:36,840 Speaker 1: I guess we don't do it anymore. But back in 358 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: the you know, the yeah, medieval serious, that's what they said. 359 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 1: That would they would take them off and then they 360 00:13:40,880 --> 00:13:43,120 Speaker 1: call Yeah. 361 00:13:42,760 --> 00:13:45,000 Speaker 2: That's a funny band name too, but that would be 362 00:13:45,040 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 2: a good thing. We should remember that for the next 363 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 2: little parod you want to do. We'll call them the castratos. 364 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:51,319 Speaker 1: This is going to get millions of hits. 365 00:13:51,400 --> 00:13:54,319 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we were talking about, but that's really what happened. 366 00:13:54,320 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 2: That's what they used to do back in the day. 367 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 2: So you're playing music all through high school. Now you're 368 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:01,920 Speaker 2: talking to your parents like they're like, you're getting your 369 00:14:01,920 --> 00:14:05,319 Speaker 2: homework done. Did they think that you actually had a 370 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:08,680 Speaker 2: career in music, even if it was music teaching, or 371 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:11,160 Speaker 2: were they like, all right, we need to really focus 372 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 2: because you're gonna have to run the ranch. Yeah, well 373 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 2: I was. 374 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:18,480 Speaker 1: Fortunately I had very supportive parents growing up, and they 375 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:22,240 Speaker 1: would never like, you know, why don't you put this 376 00:14:22,320 --> 00:14:24,920 Speaker 1: music aside and focus on something real. They never asked 377 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:26,360 Speaker 1: me to get a real job or anything like that, 378 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: and they and they knew that one day I would. 379 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: I was the only child, so I was going to 380 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: be the one who would inherit the ranch and have 381 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: to run it one day. But when I when I 382 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:38,200 Speaker 1: graduated high school and moved on to college, they were like, 383 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:39,720 Speaker 1: what are you going to study? I said, well, I 384 00:14:39,720 --> 00:14:42,600 Speaker 1: don't know. I was thinking maybe music education or something music. Yeah, 385 00:14:42,720 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: I said, sure, sure would like for you to consider 386 00:14:45,600 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 1: doing something else just in case, you know, the music 387 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 1: thing doesn't work out for you. Maybe just something to 388 00:14:50,840 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: fall back on. 389 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,400 Speaker 2: That was always their phrase, portfolio exactly. 390 00:14:54,440 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: So I went to school and I got a degree 391 00:14:55,960 --> 00:14:58,360 Speaker 1: in business management with a minor and accounting. I can 392 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: still name four different depreciation methods right now I. 393 00:15:00,440 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 2: Can name none. So that's all right. Then you a 394 00:15:02,920 --> 00:15:04,200 Speaker 2: line or not. I have no idea for telling me 395 00:15:04,240 --> 00:15:06,400 Speaker 2: the truth. They're not if you're just saying words. So 396 00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:07,480 Speaker 2: where'd you go to college? 397 00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 1: I went to the Northeastern State University in Tallaquo, Oklahoma. 398 00:15:10,120 --> 00:15:14,640 Speaker 2: And I know Talaquah too, don't probably have I been there? Oh? Yeah, 399 00:15:14,640 --> 00:15:18,040 Speaker 2: I've been. Carie Underwood used to work at the pizza 400 00:15:18,120 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 2: place and her big pizza thing is up there Salmonella, 401 00:15:20,480 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 2: And that's where the guys from Yeah, it's where Cal's 402 00:15:24,160 --> 00:15:26,400 Speaker 2: parents at school. But it's also the guys from term 403 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:27,320 Speaker 2: paktriubiados are from there. 404 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:28,960 Speaker 1: That's true, you know the term pat tripe. Yeah, and 405 00:15:28,960 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: I just got inducted into the Oklahoma's Music Hall of 406 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:31,560 Speaker 1: Fame last year. 407 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 2: Really well, I brought up Tallaquater. They're like because a 408 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 2: lot of those towns I get mixed up. 409 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:40,080 Speaker 1: But we have a lot of weird Native American names 410 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:40,600 Speaker 1: for our towns. 411 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:42,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, and an you know, Native American sounds to me 412 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:44,720 Speaker 2: a bit like German sounds, where some of the sounds 413 00:15:44,720 --> 00:15:48,400 Speaker 2: don't go together. And how I would spell out things. 414 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 2: But but so they kind of sound funny both to me, 415 00:15:51,880 --> 00:15:54,800 Speaker 2: even even like Mandarin, it just has a but the 416 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:57,880 Speaker 2: same thing happens where I get them mixed up. And 417 00:15:57,920 --> 00:16:00,160 Speaker 2: I was like, hey, I knew how to say talaquad though, 418 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 2: and they got freaking out from Turnpike said, you know 419 00:16:02,840 --> 00:16:05,080 Speaker 2: to say talaqua. Oh, like I've been there. Yeah, yeah, 420 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:06,800 Speaker 2: there's a There was a probing store too there right, 421 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:09,480 Speaker 2: like a dry short store. They used to compete with 422 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 2: your moms. Okay, no shout outs there. 423 00:16:12,560 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: Okay, no shout outs. Yeah it's funny. But Telequah, as 424 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: you said, it got a weird Most people couldn't pronounce 425 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:20,600 Speaker 1: it if they didn't know how to how to the 426 00:16:20,640 --> 00:16:24,280 Speaker 1: town that carry us all is from. Also, people used 427 00:16:24,280 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: to mispronounce her town all the time. She's from Chakota, Oklahoma. 428 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,160 Speaker 2: And I lived right near like Washaita, with it was 429 00:16:29,160 --> 00:16:33,320 Speaker 2: spelled Oi Chiitah, Yes, and so again had I not known. 430 00:16:33,840 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 2: I mean, it's just an odd pronunciation from a guy 431 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 2: from the south in Arkansas. 432 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:41,880 Speaker 1: I'm told that Jimmy Webb when he wrote Wichita Lineman 433 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,800 Speaker 1: in washingtaw he actually wrote it as Washaita lineman because 434 00:16:44,800 --> 00:16:47,000 Speaker 1: he's from Oklahoma and he saw a guy working on 435 00:16:47,000 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 1: some highline wires one day. He thought, that's the loneliest 436 00:16:48,920 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: job in the world. And it was the Washaita Lineman 437 00:16:51,680 --> 00:16:54,240 Speaker 1: until he turned it into his publisher and the publisher said, 438 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:56,080 Speaker 1: I love everything about the song except the title. 439 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 2: All the things on Wichitar pissed right now that you're 440 00:16:57,920 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 2: sharing that, that's like, that's their claim to fame right there. 441 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 1: Well, you know, Jimmy Webb, he's our claim to fame. 442 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 3: He's Okay, hang tight. 443 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:16,000 Speaker 5: The Bobby Cast will be right back, and we're back 444 00:17:16,240 --> 00:17:17,280 Speaker 5: on the Bobby Cast. 445 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 2: So you're in Oklahoma and you're going to college. Did 446 00:17:21,240 --> 00:17:23,080 Speaker 2: you end up staying and finishing school or I did? 447 00:17:23,320 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 2: Really I did. 448 00:17:23,960 --> 00:17:25,920 Speaker 1: I got my degree in business management, and I got 449 00:17:26,080 --> 00:17:28,119 Speaker 1: I went on the road with the band immediately after that, 450 00:17:28,200 --> 00:17:29,440 Speaker 1: because that's what I wanted to do. 451 00:17:29,480 --> 00:17:31,720 Speaker 2: After you graduated college. Aster I graduated college after. 452 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:33,280 Speaker 1: Well, I did take a short break. A band that 453 00:17:33,320 --> 00:17:35,960 Speaker 1: Greg and I had together at the time was the 454 00:17:36,040 --> 00:17:36,600 Speaker 1: name of it, This. 455 00:17:36,560 --> 00:17:36,920 Speaker 2: Is what I like. 456 00:17:37,040 --> 00:17:39,439 Speaker 1: This band was called Breakaway Okay, And this band was 457 00:17:39,440 --> 00:17:42,680 Speaker 1: a group that we had put together from another band 458 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:44,760 Speaker 1: that we had been in when we were kids, and 459 00:17:44,960 --> 00:17:47,560 Speaker 1: we sort of broke away from that band and decided 460 00:17:47,600 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: to make up do our own thing a breakaway, so 461 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:51,919 Speaker 1: we went on the road. We got signed to it 462 00:17:51,960 --> 00:17:53,520 Speaker 1: with a booking agent and he put us to work, 463 00:17:53,520 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: and so I took a year off in the middle 464 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: of all that, but I did go back and finish 465 00:17:57,000 --> 00:17:58,040 Speaker 1: my degree. 466 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 2: You finished school just in case. But while you were 467 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 2: in school, were you playing music around? It was? 468 00:18:03,680 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: I actually played in Telllequah. I had a local band 469 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: at the time called the heath Right Band. I'll never 470 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:12,439 Speaker 1: forget we played this Telequah has a thing back then. 471 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: They had a thing called Pioneer Days and it was 472 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,639 Speaker 1: just a weekend out of the summer. This pizza place 473 00:18:17,720 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 1: hired us to play in the parking lot to kind 474 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 1: of bring people in. It wasn't Salmonella's. It might have 475 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:23,719 Speaker 1: been where Salmonella's is now. But I forget the name 476 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,120 Speaker 1: of the pizza place back then, and I'd never forget. 477 00:18:26,160 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 1: The sign on the front said all you can eat 478 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,840 Speaker 1: heath Right band. Each year all they want, all they want, 479 00:18:33,440 --> 00:18:34,280 Speaker 1: they could eat heath Right. 480 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 2: And how often did you guys play while you were 481 00:18:36,359 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 2: in college or did you have to not play as 482 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 2: much because you really wanted to graduate and finish school. 483 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,160 Speaker 1: Well pretty much weekends. I mean, there was a club 484 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:45,480 Speaker 1: in Telecaul called El Paso City Limits, and we played 485 00:18:45,480 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: there a lot, played just a few clubs in Muskogee 486 00:18:49,320 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 1: and surrounding areas. So it was just a weekend band. 487 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 2: Did you feel like you were just kind of buying 488 00:18:53,680 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 2: your time until you finished school where you could go 489 00:18:55,400 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 2: and pursue it professionally exactly? So that was the plan. 490 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:00,400 Speaker 1: It was the plan I wanted to get. I wanted 491 00:19:00,440 --> 00:19:02,719 Speaker 1: to get the degree, have something to fall back on, 492 00:19:02,760 --> 00:19:04,920 Speaker 1: like my mom and dad said, and then get out 493 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:06,920 Speaker 1: and just start pursuing it full time. And I joined 494 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,920 Speaker 1: a band, another local band in Oklahoma, and again they 495 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:12,159 Speaker 1: were just doing nightclubs, just the nightclub circuit. And I 496 00:19:12,160 --> 00:19:14,239 Speaker 1: did that for a little over a year, and I 497 00:19:14,280 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: realized I wasn't really getting anywhere. I planned to the 498 00:19:16,600 --> 00:19:19,680 Speaker 1: same clientele every six weeks. We were on a six 499 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:21,919 Speaker 1: week rotation. We had like eight or nine different clubs 500 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: that we worked in that area. And so I went 501 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: back to school, this time to study music at a 502 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,719 Speaker 1: small college in level Land, Texas called South Plains College. 503 00:19:30,840 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 2: I'm assuming that's in like north north Texas. 504 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: It's west Texas. It's below the Panhandle. It's south of 505 00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,399 Speaker 1: the Panhella, but it's just west of Lubbock. 506 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 2: Did you move down there to do that? I did. 507 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,440 Speaker 1: I moved there. I already had one degree, so I 508 00:19:42,480 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: didn't have to take any of the normal general educational requirements. 509 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:47,480 Speaker 1: I think I had to take one history class because 510 00:19:47,560 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: Texas requirements were a little different than Oklahoma requirements. 511 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 2: But I got a. 512 00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: Degree in country music. They called it commercial music, but 513 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: I studied country music the whole time I was there, 514 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:57,399 Speaker 1: country in western swing. 515 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,640 Speaker 2: That's like me geting a degree in People named Bobby 516 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 2: from Arkansas just already got it. There do a lot 517 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 2: of work, I already know. 518 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 1: I knew a lot when I went there because I'd 519 00:20:07,200 --> 00:20:08,840 Speaker 1: been playing in bands for most of my life. But 520 00:20:08,880 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 1: I learned a lot while I was there, too. I'm 521 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: telling you, I learned about things that I didn't have 522 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,719 Speaker 1: a whole lot of experience at being in the studio, 523 00:20:14,800 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 1: and I'd done a lot of recording in studios by 524 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,359 Speaker 1: that time, but I was on the other side of 525 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:22,040 Speaker 1: the glass, so I learned about different types of microphones 526 00:20:22,040 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: and signal flows, a lot of technical you know, a 527 00:20:23,640 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 1: lot of multi tracking study. So you know, I learned 528 00:20:26,320 --> 00:20:29,160 Speaker 1: a lot more about producing while I was there as well, 529 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,919 Speaker 1: you know, taking a group of musicians and ended up 530 00:20:31,960 --> 00:20:34,800 Speaker 1: with a finished song, a finished product. I'd produced a 531 00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:37,040 Speaker 1: lot of my own student projects. I've produced a few 532 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: other students projects while I was there, and the faculty 533 00:20:41,520 --> 00:20:44,239 Speaker 1: just amazing. Some of those faculty members would hang with me, 534 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:46,200 Speaker 1: like until nine o'clock in the evening in the studio, 535 00:20:46,800 --> 00:20:49,879 Speaker 1: just helped, just helping me kind of get my projects finished. 536 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:52,159 Speaker 1: And the whole time, by the time I got up 537 00:20:52,160 --> 00:20:54,640 Speaker 1: every morning at seven am to the time I collapsed 538 00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:56,560 Speaker 1: in my bed at midnight every night, I was a 539 00:20:56,560 --> 00:20:58,760 Speaker 1: better musician. I knew that every morning when I woke up, 540 00:20:58,800 --> 00:21:00,199 Speaker 1: I was going to be a better musician the. 541 00:21:00,200 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 2: End of the day. So you're going to school after 542 00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,480 Speaker 2: you had kind of been burnt out by playing the clubs. 543 00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,440 Speaker 2: Was it with the purpose of learning more so you 544 00:21:08,440 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 2: can go and try again at a different level, or were 545 00:21:10,600 --> 00:21:11,679 Speaker 2: you like, I still want to be in music, but 546 00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:13,360 Speaker 2: I want to go learn it. Maybe I'll be a producer. 547 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:16,240 Speaker 1: Well, it was just so, I mean, if if you're 548 00:21:16,280 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: going to be a doctor, you go to medical school, 549 00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: if you know, if you're going to be an attorney, 550 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,320 Speaker 1: to go to law school. So I just wanted to 551 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: get as much knowledge as I could. But I didn't 552 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 1: really want to, you know, no offense to people who 553 00:21:26,640 --> 00:21:30,000 Speaker 1: play symphonies and stuff. I didn't have aspirations of playing 554 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 1: in a philharmonic. I didn't want to study Mozart and 555 00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:34,520 Speaker 1: Bach and Chopin and all of that. I wanted to study, 556 00:21:34,640 --> 00:21:37,600 Speaker 1: you know, George Strait and Garth and Restless Heart, and 557 00:21:37,880 --> 00:21:39,840 Speaker 1: I wanted to study that type of music that was 558 00:21:39,840 --> 00:21:42,640 Speaker 1: making money, that was out there. Commercial. That's so that's 559 00:21:42,640 --> 00:21:45,000 Speaker 1: the name of the degree, the commercial music degree. One 560 00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: of my classmates was Trent Willman, the Cody Johnson's producer. 561 00:21:50,520 --> 00:21:52,919 Speaker 1: Natalie Mayin from Dixie Chicks went or excuse me, the 562 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: Chicks went there after? 563 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:58,679 Speaker 2: Were they were? They? They probably weren't even a band. 564 00:21:58,760 --> 00:22:00,560 Speaker 2: They were they were they had with a Natalie or 565 00:22:00,560 --> 00:22:01,359 Speaker 2: differentlyad singer at the time. 566 00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:03,240 Speaker 1: I had Laura Lynch at the time. 567 00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,080 Speaker 2: And so you're going to school down there, and again, 568 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:07,560 Speaker 2: are you just looking forward to graduating so you can 569 00:22:07,600 --> 00:22:08,480 Speaker 2: go start again? Not? 570 00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:11,240 Speaker 1: I wasn't looking forward to it. I look forward to 571 00:22:11,280 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: each and every day at that school. I soaked up 572 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:16,399 Speaker 1: every single, every single minute of training that I got 573 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: while I was a South Plains And uh, since uh 574 00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 1: they've named a freaking wing of the building after me 575 00:22:23,000 --> 00:22:26,760 Speaker 1: since then, and I've established a scholarship there. And next 576 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: month I go, They've named me one of the distinguished alumni. 577 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,680 Speaker 1: So I get to go and you know, be part 578 00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:33,960 Speaker 1: of a big gala and is it galor gala? 579 00:22:34,240 --> 00:22:35,600 Speaker 2: Could be out of the one? Would you wear a 580 00:22:35,640 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 2: cowboy hat in a robe? Do it? 581 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 1: What? 582 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 2: I wear a cowboy hat and a rope? If you 583 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,600 Speaker 2: go as a distinguished alumni, you're wearing the robe. Are 584 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 2: you gonna wear the Tao. 585 00:22:44,800 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: Hat or the cowboy hat? 586 00:22:45,880 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 2: Oh? 587 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,760 Speaker 1: Oh, well, I don't know that they'll. I don't think 588 00:22:48,800 --> 00:22:50,280 Speaker 1: they do that there. I mean it's not during the 589 00:22:50,359 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 1: graduation ceremony, but they're just good to. 590 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 2: Do it anyway. You think I should wear them? 591 00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:56,600 Speaker 1: Distinguished? 592 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,000 Speaker 2: Now, yeah, I got my own wing. I'm distinguished and 593 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,520 Speaker 2: here I am. So you finished going to school down there? 594 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,040 Speaker 2: And then okay, so then what let's form another band? 595 00:23:05,119 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 2: Let me try solo? What happens? 596 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: I had been kind of doing some networking. Prior to that, 597 00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:12,920 Speaker 1: I'd lived in Dallas briefly to play in a band 598 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: that was based out of Dallas before I moved off 599 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: to South Plains. And while I was there, on my 600 00:23:16,840 --> 00:23:18,960 Speaker 1: nights off, I would go out to the nightclubs and 601 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:21,320 Speaker 1: kind of network and just meet other band leaders and 602 00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,720 Speaker 1: guitar players. Is like, Hey, I'm playing in this band, 603 00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: but we only work on weekends. We fly out every Thursday, 604 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,800 Speaker 1: we fly home on Sunday. In Dallas, Texas, there was 605 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 1: nightclubs that we were opened six days a week. I said, 606 00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,040 Speaker 1: if you ever need a sub, here's my cassette. Cassette 607 00:23:34,080 --> 00:23:37,320 Speaker 1: back then, here's my business card. And so I had 608 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:40,160 Speaker 1: met these guys called Lariot, a band that was based 609 00:23:40,200 --> 00:23:43,159 Speaker 1: out of Texas, and giving them my cassette and my 610 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:47,560 Speaker 1: business card. And six months later I get a call 611 00:23:47,600 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: from them and they're like, hey, we're all based in Nashville. 612 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,760 Speaker 1: Now we've all moved from Texas to Nashville, and we 613 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,960 Speaker 1: got some label interest, but our lead singer is leaving 614 00:23:55,560 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 1: to join his cousin Tim Rushlow to do a dual 615 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: Texas from Little Texas Yeah, to do a duo project 616 00:24:01,000 --> 00:24:03,440 Speaker 1: called Rushlo Harris, because you know, Tim's had like a 617 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 1: two hundred and three record deals. It's different different styles of. 618 00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:08,720 Speaker 2: Artists. 619 00:24:08,760 --> 00:24:10,440 Speaker 1: Where there be two I think he's had two bands, 620 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,240 Speaker 1: Little Texas in a band called Rushlo and anyway. But 621 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:15,560 Speaker 1: he was getting ready to do a duo thing at 622 00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: that time, and he was going to his cousin, Donny 623 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:20,399 Speaker 1: Harris was his name, was quitting the band Lariat to 624 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:21,800 Speaker 1: go join Tim Rushlow. 625 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:24,680 Speaker 2: Were you marketing yourself as a singer or I was 626 00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:25,400 Speaker 2: just a guitar. 627 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,280 Speaker 1: Player and that could sing harmony parts. Is the first 628 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:29,639 Speaker 1: band I've ever been the lead singer of. 629 00:24:29,880 --> 00:24:32,080 Speaker 2: So you're still like, here's my tape of my lead vocals, 630 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,080 Speaker 2: It's like here I am, I play guitar nill. 631 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:37,600 Speaker 1: Actually, to be honest, I had recorded four songs as 632 00:24:37,720 --> 00:24:40,200 Speaker 1: lead vocalists as part of projects with other bands that 633 00:24:40,280 --> 00:24:42,199 Speaker 1: I'd been in, the bands that Greg and I had 634 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:42,679 Speaker 1: been in, But it. 635 00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:43,879 Speaker 2: Wasn't your main thing, like I'm here to be the 636 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,240 Speaker 2: lead vocal I didn't. 637 00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:47,320 Speaker 1: I never marketed myself as a lead vocalist. I was 638 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:49,119 Speaker 1: just a guitar player who could sing harmony parts, and 639 00:24:49,160 --> 00:24:51,400 Speaker 1: that's kind of what I was looking for. I didn't 640 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: never consider myself a front man, but they needed a 641 00:24:54,560 --> 00:24:56,680 Speaker 1: lead singer. They already had a guitar player, and so 642 00:24:56,800 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 1: I was said, oh, okay, I'll try that, And so 643 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:02,400 Speaker 1: I joined the band and through no fault on my own, 644 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,760 Speaker 1: And I want to point out, the band fell apart 645 00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 1: the following month. 646 00:25:05,520 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 2: Wait, you joined the band that you moved to Nashville. 647 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,800 Speaker 1: I moved to Nashville to join Lariot, to join the 648 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:11,680 Speaker 1: group Lariot, which eventually became Ricochet. 649 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,960 Speaker 2: So okay, you move here for a month, you're in 650 00:25:15,320 --> 00:25:17,919 Speaker 2: Lariot and you're the lead singer Lariott for. 651 00:25:18,080 --> 00:25:19,239 Speaker 1: For a month. Yeah, for about a month. 652 00:25:19,280 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 2: How did it off all parts so quickly? Oh? 653 00:25:21,200 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 1: Well, again, no fault on my own. The two original 654 00:25:24,680 --> 00:25:28,000 Speaker 1: brothers of Ricochet, Jeff and Junior Bryant, were the leaders 655 00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: of the band Lariot, and they had signed a new 656 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: management deal with some guy that he wasn't really a 657 00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,120 Speaker 1: music manager. He owned a carnival business and he would 658 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: take his carnival from town to town and he would, 659 00:25:43,480 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 1: you know, tell the Chamber of Commerce, look, I've got 660 00:25:45,600 --> 00:25:47,560 Speaker 1: a carnival and bring it to your town and it's turnkey. 661 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 1: I've got all the food vendors, I've got all the rides. 662 00:25:50,320 --> 00:25:52,040 Speaker 1: I've even got a band that can play the beer tent. 663 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: So it was all turnkey. And so he had a 664 00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:57,120 Speaker 1: whole summer's worth of dates booked with Lariot, the band 665 00:25:57,160 --> 00:25:58,440 Speaker 1: I was about to join. And that was one of 666 00:25:58,480 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 1: the enticing parts about moving in, Asheville knew I wouldn't 667 00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: have to get a real job. I could go to 668 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: work immediately with a band and make enough money to 669 00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: pay my bills. And then they decided that they they 670 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,159 Speaker 1: didn't really have either they didn't have a contract with 671 00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:13,280 Speaker 1: this manager dude, or they had one that had just 672 00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:16,280 Speaker 1: run out, because they decided to change management. And when 673 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:18,640 Speaker 1: they did that, what they didn't realize is the old 674 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:23,199 Speaker 1: manager had copyrighted the name Lariots under his name, so. 675 00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:24,120 Speaker 2: He could just make Larry. 676 00:26:24,160 --> 00:26:27,040 Speaker 1: So with him, put another band together and called them Lariot, 677 00:26:27,520 --> 00:26:30,200 Speaker 1: and then that you know, the whole He was able 678 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:33,160 Speaker 1: to put all of those dates on his new band's roster, 679 00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: and the old Lariot they were just they they were done. 680 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: They had a new manager, so they didn't have they 681 00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: couldn't use the name Larry anymore. And at that point 682 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 1: after we lost all our dates, we started losing band members, 683 00:26:43,960 --> 00:26:45,359 Speaker 1: so the guitar plary quit. He was one of the 684 00:26:45,400 --> 00:26:47,439 Speaker 1: first ones to quit. I'm like, well, I play guitar too, 685 00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: I can take that over that part. But then everyone 686 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,080 Speaker 1: started quitting and it just eventually got to where we 687 00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 1: were just rebuilding the band. 688 00:26:54,080 --> 00:26:54,920 Speaker 2: So who was left? 689 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 1: You and the two brothers, Jeff and Junior Bryan were 690 00:26:58,400 --> 00:27:00,520 Speaker 1: the only two. And we had a temper bass player 691 00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,359 Speaker 1: who didn't want to do it permanently. He was a 692 00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:04,840 Speaker 1: little older than us, he was in his forties, and 693 00:27:05,640 --> 00:27:07,159 Speaker 1: he didn't want to go on the road permanently. So 694 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:08,520 Speaker 1: he was like, well, I'll stay with you till you 695 00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:10,440 Speaker 1: find someone more permanent. That's when I brought my buddy 696 00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,600 Speaker 1: Greg in from Oklahoma. From Oklahoma, Yeah, he had just 697 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,920 Speaker 1: finished a degree in microbiology with a coarse concentration in 698 00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,679 Speaker 1: chemistry or something like all complain said, yeah, I've got 699 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:22,360 Speaker 1: my degree, now I can come do what I want, 700 00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,000 Speaker 1: you know, So he was he was all for, you know, 701 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 1: moving to Nashville and joining the band. This new band 702 00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 1: that I was putting together, and we were going to 703 00:27:29,400 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 1: we didn't even have a name yet. Honestly, mean you just. 704 00:27:31,240 --> 00:27:32,600 Speaker 2: Moved here too. It's like you moved here to be 705 00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 2: a part of something now all of a sudden, and 706 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:35,080 Speaker 2: then all of a sudden, now you're the leader of 707 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:36,359 Speaker 2: putting a band together exactly. 708 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:37,679 Speaker 1: So I get, Yeah, I get to be the guy 709 00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: that starts networking and putting it all together. And so eventually, 710 00:27:41,280 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: I think by February of ninety four, we had it together. 711 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:45,360 Speaker 1: We had our last member in place, and we had 712 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:47,600 Speaker 1: our vocal blend that I really wanted. I knew I 713 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: wanted a big West Coast style harmony vocal blend. 714 00:27:50,320 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 2: What's that mean? West coast? 715 00:27:51,320 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 1: West coastyle. 716 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:53,159 Speaker 2: It's like the Eagles. 717 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,240 Speaker 1: It's when there's two harmony parts above and two harmony 718 00:27:55,280 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 1: parts below. 719 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:57,720 Speaker 2: That's sort of the West. So I got burger with 720 00:27:57,760 --> 00:27:58,919 Speaker 2: a lot of layers exactly. 721 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:00,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, above and below. 722 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 2: So you're how many are in the band at that 723 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:04,840 Speaker 2: ninety four when you finally say. 724 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:06,440 Speaker 1: This six we were a six piece of thing. So 725 00:28:06,640 --> 00:28:07,480 Speaker 1: me on lead vocals and. 726 00:28:07,520 --> 00:28:10,200 Speaker 2: Looking money, that's too much bad? I agree, I agree, 727 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:11,800 Speaker 2: But you know I want to recommend you did not 728 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:12,920 Speaker 2: do that back in ninety four. 729 00:28:13,040 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 1: Well, I kind of wanted to have a steel guitar player. 730 00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:17,360 Speaker 2: You also wanted to have the Hamburger vocals or whatever 731 00:28:17,359 --> 00:28:19,120 Speaker 2: you called it. You can't do the best three people. Yeah, 732 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:20,560 Speaker 2: I can't really do that with three people. 733 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 1: I knew I needed at least five to do West 734 00:28:22,359 --> 00:28:25,879 Speaker 1: Coast harmony, like a restless Heart type type band. And 735 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,720 Speaker 1: so I thought, well, I need something to set the music, 736 00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,520 Speaker 1: the bed part of our sound, not just the vocals, 737 00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,680 Speaker 1: but the musical bed set that apart from everybody else. 738 00:28:35,720 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 1: And I couldn't think of any bands out there that 739 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 1: featured a steel guitar and fiddle. We already had a 740 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: fiddle player. I was the guitar player, but we didn't 741 00:28:42,280 --> 00:28:42,720 Speaker 1: have a steal. 742 00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 2: So I talked to guys. 743 00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 1: I said, instead of hiring another guitar player to replace 744 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:47,960 Speaker 1: the one that quit, why don't you let me take 745 00:28:47,960 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 1: over guitar duties and let's hire a steel guitar player. 746 00:28:50,520 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 1: And so that was the last instrument that we had. 747 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,400 Speaker 1: The last guy was Teddy Carr, and we added him. 748 00:28:54,440 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: We found him here in Nashville. Actually he lived some 749 00:28:58,240 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: one of the outlying towns of the name of the 750 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 1: town escase me right now. But he he had advertised 751 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:07,280 Speaker 1: in Dick mcvay's musicians Referral service, so I found him 752 00:29:07,360 --> 00:29:09,959 Speaker 1: through that, brought him in auditioned him. 753 00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:10,440 Speaker 2: He was great. 754 00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,720 Speaker 1: Wasn't a singer though, but that's all right. I already 755 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,000 Speaker 1: had my five vocals, so I already had my five home. 756 00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 2: Take another one, so it's like European vocals and West 757 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,440 Speaker 2: Coast I had one more. God dang, so you are six. 758 00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:23,479 Speaker 2: It that's just so many people. It was a lot. 759 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:24,760 Speaker 1: And we didn't make a whole lot of money at 760 00:29:24,760 --> 00:29:26,920 Speaker 1: the beginning because we were only playing nightclubs for like, 761 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: you know, three thousand dollars a week, and we'd be 762 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:32,880 Speaker 1: there the whole week, you know, and so we were 763 00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: maybe if we were lucky, we were getting about four 764 00:29:35,160 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: to five hundred dollars a week in our pocket. 765 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:38,720 Speaker 2: Did you need that much to survive then? Though? 766 00:29:38,880 --> 00:29:41,080 Speaker 1: No, No, I didn't have a family. Some of the 767 00:29:41,160 --> 00:29:43,800 Speaker 1: other guys did, but fortunately they had wives who had 768 00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:46,840 Speaker 1: real jobs. So you know, there's something to be said 769 00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 1: for that. 770 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 2: You know. 771 00:29:47,440 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: It's like it's like, I don't know, it like having 772 00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: every good rancher also has a wife that works in town, 773 00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: has a good job in town, because you're gonna have 774 00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:58,720 Speaker 1: years where you just don't make money in ranching, And 775 00:29:58,800 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: for me, that's that's a every year. 776 00:30:00,720 --> 00:30:02,800 Speaker 2: What was the name of the band at first? When 777 00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:04,360 Speaker 2: all six of you got together, that's. 778 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: When we decided to go from Lariot Too, and we 779 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:08,920 Speaker 1: knew we needed a new name, and we were the 780 00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,480 Speaker 1: new manager would own a nightclub in Columbia, Missouri called 781 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:13,600 Speaker 1: the Silver Bullet. He wanted to call us a Silver 782 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: Bullet band, not realizing that already had that name for decades, 783 00:30:18,400 --> 00:30:19,800 Speaker 1: and so I said, now we can't do that, and 784 00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,920 Speaker 1: it needs to be one word, should be two or 785 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,920 Speaker 1: three syllables, like Alabama or foca that's for restless heart. 786 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 2: That's two words, but still three syllables. 787 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,440 Speaker 1: Something I'm jinking here. Yeah, I'm still thinking, trying, trying 788 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: to something that would be memorable, you know, but it's 789 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:37,600 Speaker 1: only one or two words. And so our manager's his 790 00:30:37,760 --> 00:30:39,680 Speaker 1: wife come up with a name. How about Ricochet. It 791 00:30:39,720 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: would look cool on the marquee outside if it said 792 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: the Silver Bullet presents Ricochet. And I'm like, yeah, I 793 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,480 Speaker 1: like it Ricochet. And after Shannondoa broke up, you know, 794 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:50,920 Speaker 1: because there was a little time when they broke up, 795 00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,240 Speaker 1: we were the most misspelled band in country music. 796 00:30:53,400 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 2: I don't know that I could call it ricochet right 797 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 2: now that looking the page, ri I c h they 798 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 2: over played. Don't know me? Rick is che are I see? 799 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 2: Oh shay, that's right? Oh shit, yeah shit. I close 800 00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 2: my eyes though, so I know it was cheating. I'm 801 00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:15,520 Speaker 2: a man of integrity. What I've read that about you? Yes, 802 00:31:16,200 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 2: So you guys are playing there, six of you? Are 803 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:19,240 Speaker 2: you good? 804 00:31:20,080 --> 00:31:23,719 Speaker 1: We were actually fairly good, I thought. We not because 805 00:31:24,120 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 1: we were just naturally good. I think because we put 806 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,640 Speaker 1: the work in. Uh, Like I said, we would beat 807 00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,160 Speaker 1: a night club for four or five nights at a time. 808 00:31:31,640 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: Back then we were just playing dance sets, you know. 809 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,200 Speaker 1: And so during the day I told the guys, I said, 810 00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:37,840 Speaker 1: you know, if we were working real jobs, we'd be 811 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:39,959 Speaker 1: working eight hours a day. So why don't we get 812 00:31:39,960 --> 00:31:42,880 Speaker 1: together and do a vocal rehearsal this afternoon. Let's learn 813 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: a new tune for this, you know, we'll add it 814 00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: to the show. We'll go down to the club and 815 00:31:47,040 --> 00:31:48,840 Speaker 1: rehearse it, you know, make sure it's good. And so 816 00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,600 Speaker 1: we spend a lot of time just just putting in 817 00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 1: the work and figuring out exactly where everybody's vocal was 818 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,040 Speaker 1: going to be in the mix, and figuring out, you know, 819 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,720 Speaker 1: parts and making sure everything was in tune and in 820 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 1: pitch and in time, and and paying a lot of 821 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,200 Speaker 1: attention to like when we would work up someone else's song, 822 00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: like a Diamond Rio song or something, making sure that 823 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,200 Speaker 1: all of the parts were right. You know, I'm a 824 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:10,480 Speaker 1: huge Jimmy Olander fan. I was just we just did 825 00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,120 Speaker 1: a show with him this past Saturday, and Jimmy's got 826 00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 1: this cool guitar that's got double benders on it. It's 827 00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:19,080 Speaker 1: you got a kind of it's hard to explain, but it's, 828 00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:20,720 Speaker 1: you know, you can't just buy a guitar of the 829 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,480 Speaker 1: off the off the wall that's got these benders and 830 00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,440 Speaker 1: you have to have them, especially installed. There's a guy 831 00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: here in town named Joe Glazer that does them, and 832 00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:29,760 Speaker 1: so I had to have the same thing. I had 833 00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: to have a guitar with double benders in it. So 834 00:32:31,800 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: we would work up a lot of a lot of 835 00:32:33,320 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: Diamond Rio stuff and make sure that all the parts 836 00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,920 Speaker 1: were right, vocal parts, mandolin parts, guitar or whatever, and 837 00:32:39,080 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: so any but anything we did, whether it be a 838 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: Tracy Bird, Tracy Lawrence song, Restless Heart, whatever. We took 839 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:48,959 Speaker 1: great pains and efforts to make sure that our covers 840 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 1: of those songs we were right, you know, and I 841 00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 1: don't know that a lot of cover bands did that 842 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:56,440 Speaker 1: back then. So what if when you ask were we good? 843 00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:58,120 Speaker 1: I think we were. I think we were one of 844 00:32:58,120 --> 00:32:59,760 Speaker 1: the better, better cover bands out there at the time. 845 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,880 Speaker 2: Two things, but one where you it sounds like you're now, Well, first, 846 00:33:03,920 --> 00:33:05,640 Speaker 2: you're the I moved in for a month. You were 847 00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 2: a role player in a bigger band that you were like, hey, 848 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:09,600 Speaker 2: I can fill in and I can take that job. 849 00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,280 Speaker 2: But now it's you're you're the general. I feel like 850 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,400 Speaker 2: like you had to take a leadership position quickly. 851 00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,920 Speaker 1: Pretty much. I don't know if the two Bryant brothers 852 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: just weren't cut out for that, or if they just 853 00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:20,640 Speaker 1: didn't want the job, because there's a lot of work 854 00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:25,440 Speaker 1: that goes along with leading a band. So I, you know, 855 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 1: I was the guy that carried the credit card and 856 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: kept track of the receipts and all of that stuff. 857 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,440 Speaker 1: So I you think I have two degrees I had, 858 00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:32,040 Speaker 1: Well I had I have business degree too, so that 859 00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: didn't hurt it. I actually read every contract that was 860 00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:36,240 Speaker 1: put in front of me every word of I'm probably 861 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,240 Speaker 1: the only guy in the original Ricochet band that read 862 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,120 Speaker 1: all sixty four pages of our recording contracts. 863 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 2: You type A personality? Oh, yes, do you know what 864 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:47,240 Speaker 2: your niagram is? What you're the niagram number? 865 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:49,080 Speaker 1: Now I don't even know what you're just like, you're 866 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 1: speaking a whole another one. I am. 867 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,600 Speaker 2: It's Mandarin. I mentioned it earlier. Oh you're good and 868 00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 2: I'm kicking it. So yeah, I definitely feel a lot 869 00:33:54,480 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 2: of Type A in you, which I think is pretty cool. 870 00:33:56,280 --> 00:34:00,960 Speaker 2: You are with the group. There's five people. It doesn't 871 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 2: matter six and five, five plus U Okay, yeah, it 872 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:06,719 Speaker 2: doesn't matter who the six are. And if you all 873 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,320 Speaker 2: love each other. That's a hard dynamic. It is just 874 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,239 Speaker 2: because you have six I mean, I do the radio 875 00:34:11,280 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 2: show and I have all my best friends, and there 876 00:34:12,719 --> 00:34:14,600 Speaker 2: are still times we want to kill each other even 877 00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:16,800 Speaker 2: though we love each other we've been together fifteen years, 878 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,880 Speaker 2: because it's just six different attitudes, personalities, people, and so 879 00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:24,080 Speaker 2: now you're also probably having to manage that, which isn't 880 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,680 Speaker 2: really what you knew. The dynamic wise, you're gonna be managing. 881 00:34:27,640 --> 00:34:31,959 Speaker 1: So were you were you like the dad oh, probably not. Gosh, 882 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:32,360 Speaker 1: I don't know. 883 00:34:32,400 --> 00:34:32,640 Speaker 2: I was. 884 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,560 Speaker 1: I was probably the problem child. Honestly, you can be both, 885 00:34:35,760 --> 00:34:39,600 Speaker 1: I guess, you know. And I'm I've got a weird personality. 886 00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:43,640 Speaker 1: I've got you know, I'm I'm very u meticulous. 887 00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,760 Speaker 2: Well, the guys put them through boot camp too, play guys. 888 00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,080 Speaker 1: Who used to love playing tricks onbody. For example, I like, 889 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:51,360 Speaker 1: when I get into a hotel room, I have to 890 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 1: take everything out of my shaving kit and line it up, 891 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:55,480 Speaker 1: you know, all the toothpaste and toothbrush right here, and 892 00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:57,719 Speaker 1: then the deodor the in the cologne here, and then 893 00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:00,200 Speaker 1: the shaven stuff over here. And I did that every 894 00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,279 Speaker 1: so I wouldn't leave stuff behind. So I did that 895 00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,799 Speaker 1: every single time with the organization. Organization. So the guys 896 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 1: thought it'd be funny as hell to take one of 897 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,799 Speaker 1: those little trays and super glue all my stuff out 898 00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:11,680 Speaker 1: of order, and so that just little things like. 899 00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:14,239 Speaker 2: That, pretty funny. Yeah, it was more like you than them. 900 00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:17,040 Speaker 2: And that's still pretty funny. That is, get super involved. 901 00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:17,640 Speaker 2: It's pretty funny. 902 00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:19,279 Speaker 1: I guess we had too. That's when I decided we 903 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: had too much time on our hands and we need 904 00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:21,120 Speaker 1: to do more. 905 00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 2: More work more work. Were they ever like he chill 906 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:25,359 Speaker 2: out me and we don't want to practice every day. 907 00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:28,040 Speaker 1: No, I was lucky, you know, like Eddie k especially, 908 00:35:28,120 --> 00:35:30,239 Speaker 1: he was he was great. He I don't think I 909 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:33,279 Speaker 1: ever outworked him. He was great at just like he 910 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: was our vocal arranger. So if we did anything that 911 00:35:36,120 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 1: was non parallel vocals, like you know, when the melody 912 00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:40,759 Speaker 1: goes up, so do the harmonies. When the melody goes down, 913 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:42,800 Speaker 1: so to the harmonies, parallel vocals. If we did anything 914 00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:47,040 Speaker 1: that was like counterpoint or any you know, choral type singing, 915 00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,400 Speaker 1: if we didn't like, for example, uh, we did a 916 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,759 Speaker 1: a capella version of let It Snow. He arranged every 917 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:56,399 Speaker 1: note of that. Our a capella version of StarSpangled Banner, 918 00:35:56,440 --> 00:35:58,920 Speaker 1: he arranged every other that was that's pretty meat and potatoes. 919 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:01,400 Speaker 1: But he's he's just got that kind of mind. I 920 00:36:01,480 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: think it comes with. 921 00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:02,879 Speaker 2: Being a keyboard player. 922 00:36:03,280 --> 00:36:05,239 Speaker 1: So I was lucky to have a group of guys 923 00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:08,040 Speaker 1: that had a good, strong work ethic, and they weren't. No, 924 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:09,839 Speaker 1: there was no lazy ones in the band, not even 925 00:36:09,840 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 1: the original band. 926 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:13,759 Speaker 2: How did you go from cover band to band that's 927 00:36:13,800 --> 00:36:17,000 Speaker 2: doing their own songs? That transition doesn't always happen. True, 928 00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:18,200 Speaker 2: We got lucky. Honestly. 929 00:36:18,680 --> 00:36:20,759 Speaker 1: It was during a time when country music was going 930 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:23,200 Speaker 1: through some changes and they were kind of losing a 931 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 1: lot of bands. I mentioned Little Texas had taken some 932 00:36:25,640 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 1: time off the road, Restless Heart Larry had left the 933 00:36:29,560 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 1: band to go do a solo thing. As a matter 934 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,520 Speaker 1: of fact, our original guitar player went with Larry Stewart. 935 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:37,680 Speaker 1: Other bands like the Gibson Miller Band and the Pirates 936 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: of the Mississippi they just disbanded. And so country music 937 00:36:40,719 --> 00:36:42,560 Speaker 1: was needing some bands at the time, and so we 938 00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 1: got lucky that A and R guy from Columbia Records 939 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,719 Speaker 1: heard us one night at a nightclub and as I say, 940 00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:50,880 Speaker 1: you know. 941 00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 2: The rest is history. 942 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:51,839 Speaker 1: Wow. 943 00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:52,600 Speaker 2: So he was just there. 944 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:55,359 Speaker 1: Well, I think it was arranged for him to be there. 945 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:59,520 Speaker 1: I believe somehow our manager had a friend of a 946 00:36:59,600 --> 00:37:02,920 Speaker 1: friend somehow knew Blake Chancey. 947 00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,040 Speaker 2: Did you know he'd be there? Yeah, we like a 948 00:37:05,080 --> 00:37:07,319 Speaker 2: ballplayer knowing or yeah, we were nervous outs up there. 949 00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, we were very nervous. 950 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:10,440 Speaker 2: Make them work extra hard that day, like four sessions. 951 00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 1: No, I think we probably rest of that day so 952 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,960 Speaker 1: as to be fresh, fresh for the big record producer 953 00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:18,239 Speaker 1: that was going to be the an R guy that 954 00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:19,520 Speaker 1: was going to be in the audience that night. 955 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:20,879 Speaker 2: Did he come up to you guys after the show 956 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:22,120 Speaker 2: or was did he reach out like a couple of 957 00:37:22,160 --> 00:37:23,719 Speaker 2: days later. Now he came up to it. 958 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:25,400 Speaker 1: We met after I had a few drinks afterwards, and 959 00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:26,840 Speaker 1: he says, I really like what I hear. Let me 960 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:28,840 Speaker 1: let me go back and talk to some people. And 961 00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,320 Speaker 1: I think I think he did it just as a 962 00:37:31,560 --> 00:37:33,800 Speaker 1: favor to his dad. Blake Chancey was his name. His 963 00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 1: dad was Ron Chancey, the. 964 00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:36,759 Speaker 2: Big producer of the Oakridge Boys and T. 965 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,239 Speaker 1: Graham Brown and and Ron was the friend of the 966 00:37:40,280 --> 00:37:42,600 Speaker 1: friend of our manager. So he managed to get in 967 00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,640 Speaker 1: touch with Ron. Ron got in touch with his son, Blake, 968 00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: who had just taken over the an R position at 969 00:37:47,680 --> 00:37:50,000 Speaker 1: Sony Music. And so Blake did it as a favorite 970 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:52,279 Speaker 1: his dad. But his intention was to say no, His 971 00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:54,480 Speaker 1: intention was to come out here, give it, give us 972 00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:55,920 Speaker 1: a listen. Oh, and he also brought a guy named 973 00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,120 Speaker 1: Cliff Aldridge with him, and so he wanted Cliff to 974 00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:00,680 Speaker 1: hear him so that he could put the blame off 975 00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:02,759 Speaker 1: on Cliff said, no, it's just not what we're looking for. 976 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:05,040 Speaker 1: But they got back to town and they had a 977 00:38:05,120 --> 00:38:07,479 Speaker 1: meeting the next next day or the next week whatever, 978 00:38:07,600 --> 00:38:09,239 Speaker 1: and Cliff said, well, I think it's one of the 979 00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,759 Speaker 1: best live bands've ever heard. I said, but they're just 980 00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:13,800 Speaker 1: a cover band right now. But I think they have potential. 981 00:38:14,120 --> 00:38:16,400 Speaker 1: They have an original sound, so I think they have potential. 982 00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:19,120 Speaker 1: They have great vocals, and he sung our praises and 983 00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:21,560 Speaker 1: Blake was looking at hims like you're supposed to say no, 984 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:23,759 Speaker 1: you know, but it did worked out, you know, it 985 00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 1: worked out. 986 00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,160 Speaker 2: Were you guys writing anything at the time or we 987 00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:27,360 Speaker 2: just practicing. 988 00:38:27,320 --> 00:38:28,920 Speaker 1: Not a lot like a living We weren't right. I 989 00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:31,640 Speaker 1: had taken I was new to the songwriting game. I 990 00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,359 Speaker 1: had just learned how to write a song at South 991 00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:37,160 Speaker 1: Plains College, you know, the year before that, I took 992 00:38:37,200 --> 00:38:39,240 Speaker 1: a songwriting class there. It was part of the curriculum, 993 00:38:39,360 --> 00:38:42,080 Speaker 1: and so I was completely new. So I'd done some writing. 994 00:38:42,320 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 1: One of the reasons I brought Greg into the band 995 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,120 Speaker 1: because I wanted him to be a co writer on 996 00:38:45,200 --> 00:38:47,000 Speaker 1: the road with me. He and I had written some 997 00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:50,239 Speaker 1: when I was home for vacations and stuff. Greg is 998 00:38:50,440 --> 00:38:52,400 Speaker 1: naturally talented that sort of thing. He's really good, and 999 00:38:52,480 --> 00:38:55,040 Speaker 1: so was Eddie kil Gallen. I was new to it 1000 00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 1: and still my main contribution to a co writing session 1001 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:00,800 Speaker 1: is a chord patterns melody, things like that. I'm not 1002 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,600 Speaker 1: a great lyricist, but you know, I could at least 1003 00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:08,080 Speaker 1: lend that to a songwriting session. We didn't do as 1004 00:39:08,120 --> 00:39:10,000 Speaker 1: much writing as I wish we had, because I wish 1005 00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:11,440 Speaker 1: we would have had a whole bunch of songs to 1006 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:13,279 Speaker 1: turn into our label and say it took look at 1007 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,560 Speaker 1: all these songs we've written, let's record ten of those, 1008 00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:20,200 Speaker 1: you know. But we didn't, and so we'd ended up 1009 00:39:20,239 --> 00:39:22,279 Speaker 1: for the first album. Nobody got a single song on 1010 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:24,719 Speaker 1: the first album. I had had a publishing deal in 1011 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:27,120 Speaker 1: Nashville prior to that, so I did manage to get 1012 00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:29,440 Speaker 1: some songs written here in town with some great songwriters, 1013 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:30,960 Speaker 1: and I thought one or two of them was good 1014 00:39:31,040 --> 00:39:32,879 Speaker 1: enough to be on the album. But apparently the label 1015 00:39:32,880 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 1: thought otherwise, so we didn't get anything. 1016 00:39:34,640 --> 00:39:37,120 Speaker 2: Whenever you're a cover band and then all of a 1017 00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:40,040 Speaker 2: sudden you're a signed to band, how does your life 1018 00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 2: change or does it? At first? It does? 1019 00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:44,680 Speaker 1: Everything just goes and I mean it seems like texts 1020 00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,719 Speaker 1: forever from the time they tell you you're going to 1021 00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 1: get signed, to the time you start working on the project, 1022 00:39:49,280 --> 00:39:50,879 Speaker 1: and then it texts forever to get the first song 1023 00:39:50,920 --> 00:39:56,520 Speaker 1: to radio. But once, once that first song hit radio, 1024 00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,399 Speaker 1: what do I Know? Came out in November of ninety five, 1025 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:02,880 Speaker 1: and I'll never forget it was. It was just a 1026 00:40:02,920 --> 00:40:04,879 Speaker 1: whirlwind after that. I mean we'd been on a radio 1027 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:07,280 Speaker 1: tour six months prior to that, kind of introducing ourselves 1028 00:40:07,360 --> 00:40:09,600 Speaker 1: to the program and music directors and stuff and just 1029 00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:11,000 Speaker 1: kind of making sure that they. 1030 00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 2: Knew who we were. 1031 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:15,560 Speaker 1: And that was grueling, and sometimes we'd hit three radio 1032 00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,239 Speaker 1: stations a day, and we did that for six months 1033 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 1: all over the country. 1034 00:40:19,200 --> 00:40:21,200 Speaker 2: So that was a top ten song too, right, What 1035 00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:21,640 Speaker 2: do I know? 1036 00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,680 Speaker 1: Yes it was. It went to number three. 1037 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:25,480 Speaker 2: Really part of me. 1038 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,120 Speaker 1: We were trying hard to get a number one out 1039 00:40:28,120 --> 00:40:30,000 Speaker 1: of that one as a debut single, but it didn't happen. 1040 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:42,680 Speaker 3: The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the 1041 00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:43,440 Speaker 3: Bobby Cast. 1042 00:40:43,960 --> 00:40:47,040 Speaker 2: So that song is doing what it does right, it's 1043 00:40:47,040 --> 00:40:50,120 Speaker 2: gratisseses are playing it? Are you guys playing shows as 1044 00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,560 Speaker 2: that song is climbing? Can you fill the crowds getting bigger? Oh? 1045 00:40:52,680 --> 00:40:54,799 Speaker 1: Yes, we're playing some of the same nightclubs we had 1046 00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,960 Speaker 1: played as a cover band, but we're playing our own music. 1047 00:40:57,880 --> 00:40:59,440 Speaker 2: Card tickets and people are coming to pay money some. 1048 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,680 Speaker 1: Part tickets, and they put us on tour. They cut 1049 00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:03,520 Speaker 1: us on a couple of major tours. We went out 1050 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:05,800 Speaker 1: on the Double Trouble Tour with the Marty Stewart and 1051 00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,879 Speaker 1: Travis Tritt. We were on the T and T Tour 1052 00:41:09,040 --> 00:41:12,160 Speaker 1: with Travis excuse me, with the Tracy Lawrence and Tracy 1053 00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:15,480 Speaker 1: Bird and then eventually the John Michael Montgomery Tour. We 1054 00:41:15,560 --> 00:41:18,759 Speaker 1: won our first ACM when we were on the John 1055 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:19,560 Speaker 1: Michaelmgomery Tour. 1056 00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:22,160 Speaker 2: What was that ACM for? It was for New Vocal 1057 00:41:22,200 --> 00:41:25,359 Speaker 2: Group or Duo of the Year nineteen ninety six. What's 1058 00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:27,360 Speaker 2: it like back in Vienne Now that you guys are 1059 00:41:27,360 --> 00:41:31,839 Speaker 2: on the radio, I gotta imagine, well, everybody's time now, 1060 00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:34,960 Speaker 2: not now, but then, Oh, back then we were like 1061 00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,360 Speaker 2: ninety seven. Yeah, it was pretty awesome. 1062 00:41:37,640 --> 00:41:39,160 Speaker 1: We used to play a show back in Vyenne at 1063 00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:41,840 Speaker 1: the football stadium and we donated all the proceeds to 1064 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,520 Speaker 1: Saint Jude Children's Research Hospital because there's two boys from 1065 00:41:44,600 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 1: Vyenne who both ended up with leukemia, both treated at 1066 00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,800 Speaker 1: Saint Jude and now they're both adults, you know, so 1067 00:41:50,920 --> 00:41:53,160 Speaker 1: we we be and Greg talked about it. If we're 1068 00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:54,719 Speaker 1: ever in a position that we can do something for 1069 00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:56,640 Speaker 1: this hospital, we need to do it. So we started 1070 00:41:56,640 --> 00:41:59,520 Speaker 1: doing this thing called Green Country Jam back in Vyenne, 1071 00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,440 Speaker 1: and it was just people would would come. 1072 00:42:02,680 --> 00:42:02,840 Speaker 2: You know. 1073 00:42:03,440 --> 00:42:05,560 Speaker 1: That was always a difficult day because everybody wanted to 1074 00:42:05,600 --> 00:42:07,640 Speaker 1: get on the bus and how do you tell your friends, no, 1075 00:42:07,800 --> 00:42:09,200 Speaker 1: we can't get this many people in the bus, and 1076 00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:11,719 Speaker 1: plus we're trying to get ready for show, and now we. 1077 00:42:11,719 --> 00:42:12,160 Speaker 2: Got to leave. 1078 00:42:12,160 --> 00:42:13,800 Speaker 1: We gotta leave, you know, right after the show. But 1079 00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:15,839 Speaker 1: that sort of thing. But so my tour manager came 1080 00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:19,320 Speaker 1: up with this, this test if people actually knew me, 1081 00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:21,319 Speaker 1: then they could get on the bus. And he knew 1082 00:42:21,360 --> 00:42:23,960 Speaker 1: how to test them because my name, my full name 1083 00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:28,160 Speaker 1: is Perry Heath, right, and in school I went by 1084 00:42:28,239 --> 00:42:30,719 Speaker 1: my first name Perry Wright. But then after school I 1085 00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:33,080 Speaker 1: didn't think that sounded real show busy. I just started 1086 00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:36,080 Speaker 1: using my middle name, Heath. But most people back home 1087 00:42:36,160 --> 00:42:39,560 Speaker 1: still call me Perry. Caitlin's uncle still calls me Perry 1088 00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:43,479 Speaker 1: half the time. So you know, it's ah that would 1089 00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,279 Speaker 1: be the test that our tour manager was here to 1090 00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:47,200 Speaker 1: knock at the bus door and open up saying, I'm 1091 00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:49,759 Speaker 1: full friends with Heath and Greg. He said, really, what 1092 00:42:50,200 --> 00:42:51,279 Speaker 1: what do you call him? What'd you call him in 1093 00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:51,759 Speaker 1: high school? 1094 00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:52,520 Speaker 2: Heath? 1095 00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:55,800 Speaker 1: No, Sorry, if they said Perry, he'd let him on 1096 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:56,160 Speaker 1: the bus. 1097 00:42:56,680 --> 00:43:00,560 Speaker 2: So, so, Vyanne loves you, Nashville loves you. You're doing 1098 00:43:00,640 --> 00:43:02,320 Speaker 2: this festival. How long did you do that? This show? That, 1099 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:03,560 Speaker 2: the show at the high School? How long did you 1100 00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:03,880 Speaker 2: do that? Man? 1101 00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,120 Speaker 1: I think we did that for five years. I want 1102 00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:10,120 Speaker 1: to say we started in ninety six or ninety seven. 1103 00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:12,919 Speaker 1: Dixie Chicks were on the show that year. They hadn't 1104 00:43:12,920 --> 00:43:15,040 Speaker 1: even had a record deal, or they had a record deal, 1105 00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,239 Speaker 1: but they were in developmental steel so no no hits yet. 1106 00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,160 Speaker 1: And Emmy and I used Emily the banjo player. She 1107 00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:20,879 Speaker 1: and I used to date. 1108 00:43:21,320 --> 00:43:22,920 Speaker 2: I've heard all this, but I know all that. They 1109 00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:25,200 Speaker 2: knew that whatcus Kaelin would tell me these stories. I 1110 00:43:25,360 --> 00:43:27,400 Speaker 2: wasn't going to bring it up, oh, because it's not 1111 00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,120 Speaker 2: my business to bring up your business. But if you're 1112 00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,200 Speaker 2: bringing it up, I know all this because Kanlelin would 1113 00:43:31,200 --> 00:43:32,360 Speaker 2: be like, yeah, I'm at the Dixie Chicks back in 1114 00:43:32,360 --> 00:43:34,160 Speaker 2: the day and you were at that show. 1115 00:43:34,760 --> 00:43:36,360 Speaker 1: Awesome, Oh awesome. 1116 00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:36,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, so yeah. 1117 00:43:36,960 --> 00:43:38,680 Speaker 1: The Dixie Chicks were there on the very first one, 1118 00:43:38,760 --> 00:43:42,120 Speaker 1: the inaugural show of Green Country Jam, and they had 1119 00:43:42,160 --> 00:43:44,279 Speaker 1: just played in Las Vegas, New Mexico the night before 1120 00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,239 Speaker 1: and they pulled up in their little RV and you 1121 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:49,080 Speaker 1: could tell they were exhausted, but they got up and 1122 00:43:49,120 --> 00:43:49,879 Speaker 1: did a hell of a show. 1123 00:43:50,000 --> 00:43:50,600 Speaker 2: Just amazing. 1124 00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:53,080 Speaker 1: And a couple other my friends were on the show 1125 00:43:53,120 --> 00:43:55,840 Speaker 1: that that year, and I'll never forget the year that 1126 00:43:56,280 --> 00:43:57,840 Speaker 1: we did it. One of the last years we did 1127 00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:00,839 Speaker 1: at Joe Diffy was on the show and Joe, as 1128 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,839 Speaker 1: you know it is an okie. He brought his mom 1129 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:05,920 Speaker 1: and dad out to the show, and my mom and 1130 00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:08,120 Speaker 1: dad were there as well, and my mom and Joe's 1131 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:09,759 Speaker 1: mom sat on the bus and chatted like they were 1132 00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,960 Speaker 1: old high school buddies. It's so good to see him 1133 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:12,399 Speaker 1: get together. 1134 00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:13,200 Speaker 2: Joe refused. 1135 00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:14,960 Speaker 1: At the end of the day, we would write checks 1136 00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:16,759 Speaker 1: for at least expenses, because we wanted to give as 1137 00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:19,000 Speaker 1: much money as we could to Saint Jude. But we 1138 00:44:19,040 --> 00:44:22,399 Speaker 1: would reimburse these guys for their payroll and their bus 1139 00:44:22,480 --> 00:44:24,799 Speaker 1: fuel and their bus lease or whatever they whatever. Their 1140 00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:26,520 Speaker 1: expenses were they would just give us an invoice and 1141 00:44:26,560 --> 00:44:28,799 Speaker 1: they'd say all right. Joe refused to take a penny 1142 00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:29,720 Speaker 1: and expenses. 1143 00:44:29,360 --> 00:44:31,200 Speaker 2: That day, so he took a loss. He took a lot. 1144 00:44:31,280 --> 00:44:32,560 Speaker 1: See definitely, I don't know if he was if it 1145 00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:34,000 Speaker 1: was a routing day for him or for he just 1146 00:44:34,080 --> 00:44:35,719 Speaker 1: and we only asked him to fly out and do 1147 00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:37,960 Speaker 1: an acoustic set and we would pay for his plane 1148 00:44:38,000 --> 00:44:39,239 Speaker 1: ticket and all of that, and he says, I'm going 1149 00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:40,680 Speaker 1: to bring my whole band. And the reason he did 1150 00:44:40,760 --> 00:44:42,080 Speaker 1: that is because we had. 1151 00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:46,560 Speaker 2: Played his He had a charity show for First Steps. 1152 00:44:46,560 --> 00:44:47,840 Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember that. He had a 1153 00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,440 Speaker 1: country show used to do with the Ryman every year 1154 00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:52,600 Speaker 1: called Country Steps in for First Steps, and we played 1155 00:44:52,600 --> 00:44:54,320 Speaker 1: it like the four or five years prior to that, 1156 00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:56,200 Speaker 1: so he I don't know, maybe he felt like he 1157 00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,320 Speaker 1: owed us, but he was such a good guy. Refused 1158 00:44:58,360 --> 00:44:59,719 Speaker 1: to take a penny and expenses that day. 1159 00:45:00,520 --> 00:45:03,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, you guys have a record deal. The song goes 1160 00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,239 Speaker 2: number three, Where do they come with second? After Daddy's Money? 1161 00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:08,000 Speaker 1: Daddy's Money was the next, So we would have released 1162 00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,759 Speaker 1: Daddy's Money first, But what do I know? We weren't 1163 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,560 Speaker 1: the first ones to get our hands or maybe we were. 1164 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,000 Speaker 1: We It was written by three great songwriters, Stephanie Smith, 1165 00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:20,520 Speaker 1: Kathy Majeski, and Sonny Russ, and they all had different 1166 00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:23,479 Speaker 1: publishers and so no one knew who got the hold 1167 00:45:23,560 --> 00:45:26,120 Speaker 1: on the song first because the publishers were pitching it 1168 00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:29,959 Speaker 1: around town. So we both both us and Linda Davis 1169 00:45:30,040 --> 00:45:32,560 Speaker 1: recorded that song at the same time. We knew that 1170 00:45:32,600 --> 00:45:34,960 Speaker 1: if we released Daddy's Money first that we would probably 1171 00:45:35,000 --> 00:45:37,400 Speaker 1: lose What Do I Know as a single, so instead 1172 00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:40,040 Speaker 1: we went with the more mid tempo ballad what Do 1173 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:42,480 Speaker 1: I Know, And we didn't even release a video with 1174 00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:45,239 Speaker 1: it because we spent all of our promotions budget on 1175 00:45:45,280 --> 00:45:50,280 Speaker 1: a tour, a radio tour six months prior to that. Anyway, 1176 00:45:50,760 --> 00:45:52,640 Speaker 1: we managed to get What Do I Know released and 1177 00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:56,480 Speaker 1: then it went top five, number three on Billboard or 1178 00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,719 Speaker 1: rn R and five on Billboard I think, and then 1179 00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,239 Speaker 1: we were free to release dad His Money, and that 1180 00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,319 Speaker 1: thing shot up to number one, like in sixteen weeks. 1181 00:46:04,440 --> 00:46:05,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna ask if it felt different from 1182 00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,800 Speaker 2: the moment that it hit, because then the first song. 1183 00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,440 Speaker 1: It sort of did because there was a video on 1184 00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:15,040 Speaker 1: that one, so we were more recognized after that. A 1185 00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,000 Speaker 1: lot of people would come to our show before that 1186 00:46:18,120 --> 00:46:20,680 Speaker 1: and they would, you know, they knew that there was 1187 00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:22,440 Speaker 1: a free show at you know a little bit of 1188 00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,319 Speaker 1: Texas in Saint Louis or whatever, and so they would 1189 00:46:24,320 --> 00:46:26,879 Speaker 1: come out and listen to us, and they've been we'd 1190 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:28,239 Speaker 1: do what do I Know? And said, oh, I didn't 1191 00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:29,799 Speaker 1: know that was you guys that did that because there 1192 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,120 Speaker 1: was no video on what do I Know? But Daddy's 1193 00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:33,759 Speaker 1: Money had a video attached to it, and so there 1194 00:46:33,840 --> 00:46:35,520 Speaker 1: was a lot more recognizability there. 1195 00:46:36,360 --> 00:46:39,399 Speaker 2: And that song is so catchy. I mean, we will 1196 00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:41,440 Speaker 2: still play it sometimes on my show Awesome just O. 1197 00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:43,839 Speaker 2: Kaitlin also sings it all the time too, walk to House, Yeah, 1198 00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,680 Speaker 2: all the time. So that song, you say, sixteen weeks 1199 00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:49,040 Speaker 2: is what it took to get to number of teen weeks, 1200 00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,160 Speaker 2: as I recall him. Now, did it go away quickly 1201 00:46:51,200 --> 00:46:53,040 Speaker 2: because it shot up so fast? Or did it stay 1202 00:46:53,400 --> 00:46:55,520 Speaker 2: stuck a number one for two weeks? Which I guess 1203 00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,560 Speaker 2: was pretty good back then, because I remember everyone being 1204 00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,600 Speaker 2: so surprised that that was there for a second week, 1205 00:47:00,200 --> 00:47:02,040 Speaker 2: because we, like, like you said, we were kind of 1206 00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,960 Speaker 2: expecting it to to be more of a you know, 1207 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:07,080 Speaker 2: in and out kind of song it is. I mean, 1208 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:08,680 Speaker 2: it's let's be honest, it's it's that song is not 1209 00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:10,839 Speaker 2: going to cure cancer. It's not really saying anything. It's 1210 00:47:10,840 --> 00:47:11,560 Speaker 2: fun change the world. 1211 00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:13,480 Speaker 1: It's just a fun song. Cat It's fun and catchy, 1212 00:47:13,520 --> 00:47:15,840 Speaker 1: and you know it was it served as purpose for 1213 00:47:15,960 --> 00:47:18,200 Speaker 1: that for that summer for us. We needed a fun, 1214 00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,840 Speaker 1: catchy song for the summer, and we released it and 1215 00:47:21,000 --> 00:47:22,839 Speaker 1: it went to number one and got us a whole 1216 00:47:22,840 --> 00:47:25,719 Speaker 1: lot more recognition and even got us an award, and 1217 00:47:25,840 --> 00:47:27,960 Speaker 1: so you know, we were lucky to have that song 1218 00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:28,480 Speaker 1: as part. 1219 00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:31,400 Speaker 2: Of our career. Did you ever feel like you resented 1220 00:47:31,440 --> 00:47:31,759 Speaker 2: the song? 1221 00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,040 Speaker 1: Ah, that's well, I resent it every day when I 1222 00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:36,400 Speaker 1: try to sing it now because we still do it 1223 00:47:36,480 --> 00:47:38,560 Speaker 1: in the same key you happen. 1224 00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,239 Speaker 2: Yeah, that would be touching up. It's so high, it's 1225 00:47:41,320 --> 00:47:44,040 Speaker 2: just I can see that. Did you did you ever 1226 00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,040 Speaker 2: feel like because I didn't even know all the words, 1227 00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:48,680 Speaker 2: I just knew the melody from hearing on the radio 1228 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,359 Speaker 2: that Cale was singing it so much. I know every 1229 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,160 Speaker 2: word in the song now because she says it all time, Yeah, everywhere, 1230 00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:57,279 Speaker 2: And so did you ever feel like and I say 1231 00:47:57,360 --> 00:47:59,560 Speaker 2: this because I think I love the song and I 1232 00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:01,000 Speaker 2: look back at that time in my life and it 1233 00:48:01,040 --> 00:48:02,799 Speaker 2: brings me back to that time. Right. That's a music, guys, 1234 00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:03,160 Speaker 2: It take us. 1235 00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,120 Speaker 1: People tell me that a lot. Yeah, because that music 1236 00:48:05,200 --> 00:48:07,000 Speaker 1: is the soundtrack of your life, you know. 1237 00:48:07,120 --> 00:48:09,040 Speaker 2: And so I remember, you know where I was at 1238 00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:12,160 Speaker 2: that time. But you you have this song that you 1239 00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:13,880 Speaker 2: say you didn't get a single cut on the record 1240 00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,279 Speaker 2: and they had you put in it shot up, but 1241 00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:17,880 Speaker 2: where you were, like, I wrote songs better than this. 1242 00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,600 Speaker 1: Well I might have had that thought of time or two. 1243 00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,800 Speaker 1: But it's truth is it's those little, simple, catchy songs 1244 00:48:24,920 --> 00:48:28,759 Speaker 1: that absolutely that sounds so easy, but they're not that easy, right, 1245 00:48:29,080 --> 00:48:30,800 Speaker 1: you know. I mean, who would even think about that 1246 00:48:30,880 --> 00:48:35,040 Speaker 1: scenario about this guy being all you know, confused and 1247 00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:37,040 Speaker 1: not not being able to pay attention to the preacher 1248 00:48:37,080 --> 00:48:38,560 Speaker 1: because he's got his eyes on this girl in the 1249 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,560 Speaker 1: choir off and that's all he can think about. And 1250 00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:42,400 Speaker 1: now he's praying to God, if you got any if 1251 00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:44,799 Speaker 1: you got any miracles handies. He scrant me, one, let 1252 00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:46,560 Speaker 1: me walk down the island and say I do to 1253 00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:49,319 Speaker 1: that angel with the choir RoboN. You know that it's 1254 00:48:49,480 --> 00:48:54,040 Speaker 1: just little little scenarios like that don't come every day. 1255 00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:56,160 Speaker 1: And I've heard that Mark de Sanders used to write 1256 00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:58,759 Speaker 1: along those lines a lot. He always would have some 1257 00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:01,279 Speaker 1: sort of little religious thing in his songs, like a 1258 00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,000 Speaker 1: walking in Jerusalem, Tracy Byrd he wrote that, so he 1259 00:49:05,040 --> 00:49:08,160 Speaker 1: would put some sort of little wholesome churchy thing in 1260 00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:09,279 Speaker 1: all of his songs like that. 1261 00:49:10,080 --> 00:49:10,959 Speaker 2: And who knows. 1262 00:49:11,120 --> 00:49:14,279 Speaker 1: I mean, I really think Jeff Carson for showing up 1263 00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:15,799 Speaker 1: at the right time. Do you know the story behind 1264 00:49:15,800 --> 00:49:18,400 Speaker 1: that addy his money? I don't, all right, settle in. 1265 00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,320 Speaker 2: It's a long story. All I know is that I 1266 00:49:20,360 --> 00:49:22,120 Speaker 2: would hear to the kid and be like, more less 1267 00:49:22,120 --> 00:49:23,640 Speaker 2: than a stack of comic books where I is, And 1268 00:49:23,719 --> 00:49:26,040 Speaker 2: I'd be like, I don't really comic books. This must 1269 00:49:26,080 --> 00:49:27,480 Speaker 2: have been an older dude who wrote it, That's what 1270 00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:29,040 Speaker 2: I used to think. Well, it's three older dudes. 1271 00:49:29,600 --> 00:49:31,000 Speaker 1: I guess he can call him that now, But it 1272 00:49:31,080 --> 00:49:34,120 Speaker 1: was Mark D. Sanders, Bob Dapiro, and Steve Seskin. They're 1273 00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:35,720 Speaker 1: sitting in a room one day at a publishing company, 1274 00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,080 Speaker 1: trying to come up with something to write about, right, 1275 00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:40,520 Speaker 1: And there's a window there in the room that they're 1276 00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:43,960 Speaker 1: writing in, and they see this young demo singer named 1277 00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,560 Speaker 1: Jeff Herndon pull Up, who eventually would become Jeff Carson. 1278 00:49:49,040 --> 00:49:51,480 Speaker 1: So Jeff pulls up in this brand new Jaguar. He's 1279 00:49:51,560 --> 00:49:53,160 Speaker 1: just a demo singer. He's hadn't even got a record 1280 00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:55,080 Speaker 1: deal yet as far as I know, and absolutely no hits. 1281 00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,040 Speaker 1: And the guys started talking, well, how the hell can 1282 00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,120 Speaker 1: Jeff afford to drive a Jaguar. I mean, he's just 1283 00:49:59,200 --> 00:50:01,440 Speaker 1: singing demos for we know, and maybe maybe has a 1284 00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:03,839 Speaker 1: publishing deal, but you know it hadn't written any hits 1285 00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:06,479 Speaker 1: or anything. And I believe it was Mark d said, 1286 00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:08,799 Speaker 1: well have you seen that woman that he's married to, Kim? 1287 00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:11,920 Speaker 1: Not only is she gorgeous, apparently she's got her daddy's 1288 00:50:11,920 --> 00:50:14,480 Speaker 1: money too. Whil they had something to write about it 1289 00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,359 Speaker 1: at that point. So I used to think, Jeff, I say, man, 1290 00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:18,919 Speaker 1: thanks for showing up just the right time, and thanks 1291 00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:21,440 Speaker 1: Kim for letting for letting him drive your car that day. 1292 00:50:21,560 --> 00:50:22,920 Speaker 2: You know, oh that was her car too. It was 1293 00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:26,239 Speaker 2: her car. That's funny too. So when they when they 1294 00:50:26,600 --> 00:50:29,239 Speaker 2: they say, Okay, you guys, it's not awesome live, but 1295 00:50:29,360 --> 00:50:31,279 Speaker 2: we need a record now. So this is this song 1296 00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:32,839 Speaker 2: called Daddy's money record. What did you think the first 1297 00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:33,640 Speaker 2: time you heard it to record? 1298 00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:35,440 Speaker 1: I heard it over the phone for the first time. 1299 00:50:35,600 --> 00:50:38,600 Speaker 1: I was at home in Oklahoma. The record label had 1300 00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:40,440 Speaker 1: given us a small signing bonus, and so I took 1301 00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,879 Speaker 1: my two or three thousand dollars to the sale barn 1302 00:50:42,920 --> 00:50:46,120 Speaker 1: that day to buy some effers. And that's how I 1303 00:50:46,160 --> 00:50:49,680 Speaker 1: wanted to invest my my record bonus, my record signing bonus. 1304 00:50:49,760 --> 00:50:51,919 Speaker 1: And so my dad and I, this was before cell phones. 1305 00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:53,239 Speaker 1: I didn't have a cell phone. Dad and I would 1306 00:50:53,239 --> 00:50:55,160 Speaker 1: have to sale all day long. And we came home. 1307 00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,800 Speaker 1: My mom says, son, somebody named Uncle Ron just called you. 1308 00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:00,560 Speaker 1: I said, Uncle Ron, that's Ron Chancey, that's our purduce. Well, 1309 00:51:00,560 --> 00:51:02,120 Speaker 1: he says, you need to call him back immediately, something 1310 00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:05,600 Speaker 1: really important. So Uncle Ron Ron Chancey plays that song. 1311 00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:07,880 Speaker 1: He says, we just got this tune in and if 1312 00:51:07,920 --> 00:51:09,560 Speaker 1: we don't put a hold on it soon, we're gonna 1313 00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,040 Speaker 1: lose it. So he played it for me. 1314 00:51:11,480 --> 00:51:13,080 Speaker 2: I listened to every word of it, the whole the 1315 00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:13,600 Speaker 2: whole demo. 1316 00:51:13,880 --> 00:51:16,440 Speaker 1: Ron Wallace sang the demo I'll never forget great vocal, 1317 00:51:17,480 --> 00:51:20,000 Speaker 1: and I thought, that is the silliest damn song I've 1318 00:51:20,000 --> 00:51:22,560 Speaker 1: ever heard what was the But I said, look, we 1319 00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:23,719 Speaker 1: got to hold it because it's going to be a 1320 00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:24,080 Speaker 1: huge hit. 1321 00:51:24,120 --> 00:51:26,960 Speaker 2: I got you sonically obviously on a phone though. But 1322 00:51:27,239 --> 00:51:29,800 Speaker 2: the demo was it a fully produced demo or fully produced? 1323 00:51:30,640 --> 00:51:31,520 Speaker 2: Had like electric guitar? 1324 00:51:31,760 --> 00:51:33,480 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, I don't know that. It had fiddle and 1325 00:51:33,520 --> 00:51:35,480 Speaker 1: steel on it. Shit, it was a full band production. 1326 00:51:35,560 --> 00:51:37,719 Speaker 1: It wasn't just acoustic guitar vocal. But it was catchy 1327 00:51:37,719 --> 00:51:39,000 Speaker 1: as crap you could do. It was and you know, 1328 00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:42,160 Speaker 1: like you said, more last than a stack of comic books, 1329 00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:44,920 Speaker 1: the country is a turnip green. Come on, These are 1330 00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:46,719 Speaker 1: just phrases that I know are going to stick out 1331 00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:49,839 Speaker 1: and and and be memorable. People are going to remember 1332 00:51:49,880 --> 00:51:51,920 Speaker 1: these phrases, So I thought, and I like the melody, 1333 00:51:51,920 --> 00:51:54,240 Speaker 1: and I like the way it it kind of soared 1334 00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:56,040 Speaker 1: up in the chorus. Give me a chance to kind 1335 00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:57,520 Speaker 1: of stretch out on my high range. And so it 1336 00:51:57,760 --> 00:51:59,840 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, I love the melody. It's just 1337 00:52:00,239 --> 00:52:02,719 Speaker 1: little lyric and I think it's I think it's gonna 1338 00:52:02,719 --> 00:52:04,080 Speaker 1: be catching enough that people will love it. 1339 00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:05,960 Speaker 2: So did you have the expectation that it would do 1340 00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:09,279 Speaker 2: what it did? That one songs on the record, just 1341 00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:11,839 Speaker 2: even at the time the thing was number one, are 1342 00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:13,839 Speaker 2: you like, I can't believe that's the one that did 1343 00:52:13,840 --> 00:52:15,360 Speaker 2: it because we have all these other songs too. 1344 00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:17,840 Speaker 1: I knew I'd been studying country music trends for a 1345 00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:19,920 Speaker 1: long time, and a lot of I mean a lot 1346 00:52:19,960 --> 00:52:22,040 Speaker 1: of times it's the silly little songs that are always 1347 00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:23,240 Speaker 1: gonna be are gonna be huge. 1348 00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,080 Speaker 2: Hits because they just are fun to sing by everybody 1349 00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:26,480 Speaker 2: else who buys music or li'sen to music. 1350 00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:30,080 Speaker 1: True exactly, Yeah, I mean it was just I just 1351 00:52:30,160 --> 00:52:32,480 Speaker 1: had that commercial appeal to it, you know, because like 1352 00:52:32,520 --> 00:52:34,560 Speaker 1: I said, I I've been studying country music trends and 1353 00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:38,239 Speaker 1: songs and for most of my life, because I knew 1354 00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:39,799 Speaker 1: I wanted to be part of country music one day. 1355 00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:43,200 Speaker 1: So when I know I can't bring one to mine, right, 1356 00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,399 Speaker 1: White Lightning. I bet when first time George Jones heard 1357 00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,680 Speaker 1: white and like the yeah, yeah, they're yeah whatever that 1358 00:52:48,760 --> 00:52:50,960 Speaker 1: is the hiccup? Yeah, yeah, you know who wrote that? 1359 00:52:51,160 --> 00:52:51,279 Speaker 2: Right? 1360 00:52:51,640 --> 00:52:52,560 Speaker 1: The Big Bopper wrote that? 1361 00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:53,359 Speaker 2: Oh really? 1362 00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:55,600 Speaker 1: Yeah? So and I'm sure that when George Jones heard 1363 00:52:55,600 --> 00:53:00,680 Speaker 1: the Big Bopper, everybody listening, Hello, babe, that guy, Yeah, 1364 00:53:00,680 --> 00:53:03,839 Speaker 1: that guy wrote quite lightning. So I'm sure George thought 1365 00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:05,719 Speaker 1: that's the silliest song I've ever heard, but it's going 1366 00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:07,839 Speaker 1: to be a huge hit. So I kind of felt 1367 00:53:07,840 --> 00:53:08,960 Speaker 1: the same way about Daddy's Money. 1368 00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:12,120 Speaker 5: Let's take a quick pause for a message from our sponsor. 1369 00:53:20,760 --> 00:53:22,800 Speaker 5: Welcome back to the Bobby Cast. 1370 00:53:23,520 --> 00:53:26,840 Speaker 2: So you go, and the song crushes number one for 1371 00:53:26,840 --> 00:53:28,680 Speaker 2: two weeks, which doesn't even happen a lot now, much 1372 00:53:28,719 --> 00:53:31,560 Speaker 2: less than at the time. So, and people are seeing 1373 00:53:31,640 --> 00:53:37,239 Speaker 2: you on CMTAC. Are you starting to get recognized just randomly? 1374 00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:38,759 Speaker 2: And do you wear a cowboy hat? Would you wear 1375 00:53:38,760 --> 00:53:40,400 Speaker 2: a cowboy hat out? Because I would if I were on. 1376 00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,080 Speaker 1: A well back then, I didn't wear a hat. Back then, 1377 00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:45,440 Speaker 1: I had the award winning mullet. Dude, Come on, I 1378 00:53:46,120 --> 00:53:48,359 Speaker 1: know that version of you. Oh really, no, I watched 1379 00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,200 Speaker 1: the video sometimes I've never beautiful haircut, really. 1380 00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:53,800 Speaker 2: Was never see do you remember him with the mullet? 1381 00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:57,239 Speaker 1: Oh really Yeah, I just started wearing the cowboy hat 1382 00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:58,640 Speaker 1: after I moved back to the ranch in two thousand 1383 00:53:58,640 --> 00:53:59,080 Speaker 1: and eight. Yeah. 1384 00:53:59,120 --> 00:54:01,160 Speaker 2: See, I don't know you without the cowboy hat. 1385 00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,080 Speaker 1: Whol Is that that's kind of neat the cowboy version. 1386 00:54:05,120 --> 00:54:06,719 Speaker 2: I need to see hold on, I need to see 1387 00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,200 Speaker 2: what is Oh no blue. 1388 00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,239 Speaker 1: It was a maybe powder blue shirt, which was a 1389 00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:14,880 Speaker 1: gift from Emily. Believe it or not, I don't know 1390 00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:16,400 Speaker 1: if I ever said that an interview or not. That 1391 00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,080 Speaker 1: powder blue shirt that I'm wearing on the on the 1392 00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,120 Speaker 1: cover of our debut album was a gift as well 1393 00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:23,239 Speaker 1: as the boots. The Austrich boots I was wearing was 1394 00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:25,040 Speaker 1: a gift from Emily Irwin Dixie Chicks. 1395 00:54:25,160 --> 00:54:28,000 Speaker 2: Okay, right, I still have the boots. 1396 00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:30,280 Speaker 1: And somewhere I probably have that powder blue shirt somewhere. 1397 00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:31,600 Speaker 2: I did heath Right hair and it gave me a 1398 00:54:31,680 --> 00:54:32,160 Speaker 2: hair salon. 1399 00:54:33,800 --> 00:54:37,120 Speaker 1: Just put in Daddy's Money, Yeah, okay, do you play 1400 00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:38,120 Speaker 1: videos on your podcast? 1401 00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:39,640 Speaker 2: Are you allowed to do that? Well? Yeah, we can 1402 00:54:39,680 --> 00:54:42,600 Speaker 2: put it in whatever kind of clips. Daddy's Money video. 1403 00:54:44,520 --> 00:54:51,560 Speaker 2: I feel like I'll be Oh my god, award winning is. 1404 00:54:53,160 --> 00:54:53,640 Speaker 1: Very popular. 1405 00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:58,879 Speaker 2: Haircut that is crazy and long, and there's a vest. 1406 00:54:58,960 --> 00:54:59,640 Speaker 2: You're in a vest. 1407 00:55:00,120 --> 00:55:03,600 Speaker 1: Uh No, it's a bandoned collar shirt with a with 1408 00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:05,040 Speaker 1: a with a black rings. 1409 00:55:05,280 --> 00:55:06,399 Speaker 2: Oh you look at the hair. 1410 00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,120 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I'm wearing a frock coat. Look like a 1411 00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:10,120 Speaker 1: preacher in a frock coat. 1412 00:55:12,239 --> 00:55:14,279 Speaker 2: This is wild. Look at you? 1413 00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,799 Speaker 1: All right? So we added what do I know at 1414 00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:23,320 Speaker 1: the beginning of this video right here, so that the 1415 00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,200 Speaker 1: people would know that those guys that's saying what do 1416 00:55:25,280 --> 00:55:27,000 Speaker 1: I know are the guys you're about to see. 1417 00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:28,759 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a good idea. Who had that idea? 1418 00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:31,960 Speaker 1: Somebody in the in the A and R department or 1419 00:55:32,040 --> 00:55:35,240 Speaker 1: maybe marketing department, Probably somebody in the marketing department at Sony. 1420 00:55:36,440 --> 00:55:38,920 Speaker 2: Dude, I wouldn't even reck it if you walked in 1421 00:55:39,080 --> 00:55:41,080 Speaker 2: looking like that, I would be like, who is this? Dude? 1422 00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:43,759 Speaker 2: They said Heath was coming over the cowboy hat. Dang, 1423 00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:47,000 Speaker 2: that's great. So what is it like? How old were 1424 00:55:47,040 --> 00:55:47,239 Speaker 2: you then? 1425 00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,520 Speaker 1: You think I was twenty eight twenty seven? 1426 00:55:49,920 --> 00:55:50,879 Speaker 2: I mean, were you married? 1427 00:55:51,000 --> 00:55:51,319 Speaker 1: Twenty eight? 1428 00:55:51,360 --> 00:55:51,960 Speaker 2: Were you married? No? 1429 00:55:52,440 --> 00:55:53,480 Speaker 1: What is that to get married to my. 1430 00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:55,400 Speaker 2: Midor what is that like? You're twenty seven twenty you 1431 00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:58,839 Speaker 2: get a hair like that, you're traveling the country, you're 1432 00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:01,320 Speaker 2: single as a pringle. I imagine that's got to be 1433 00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:02,839 Speaker 2: pretty good. You get all the happers you want, right 1434 00:56:03,000 --> 00:56:03,200 Speaker 2: it was. 1435 00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:05,799 Speaker 1: Life did not suck. I'm not gonna lie. It did 1436 00:56:05,880 --> 00:56:09,120 Speaker 1: not suck. Back then. I lived my single life and 1437 00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:10,360 Speaker 1: I lived the hell out of it. 1438 00:56:10,480 --> 00:56:12,840 Speaker 2: Were you in Nashville Were you living in Nashville and 1439 00:56:13,080 --> 00:56:15,000 Speaker 2: coming back to Nashville? Were you back in Oklahoma? Then? 1440 00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:16,440 Speaker 1: No, I was living in Nashville. Like I said, I 1441 00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:18,120 Speaker 1: moved out here in May teenth, nineteen ninety three, and 1442 00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:21,200 Speaker 1: we got signed to Columbia in March of ninety five. 1443 00:56:21,880 --> 00:56:23,399 Speaker 1: So everyone said it was a five year of town 1444 00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:25,000 Speaker 1: to be prepared to be here for five years for 1445 00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:27,720 Speaker 1: anything happens. But as I said, we were lucky because 1446 00:56:27,960 --> 00:56:30,799 Speaker 1: Nashville needed a band. The several different labels were losing 1447 00:56:30,800 --> 00:56:32,319 Speaker 1: their bands and so they needed one. So we got 1448 00:56:32,360 --> 00:56:34,319 Speaker 1: signed within two years of my moving here. 1449 00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:36,799 Speaker 2: So when you moved back, was there a time? How 1450 00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:38,920 Speaker 2: did you guys end the band whenever you ended it 1451 00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:39,560 Speaker 2: the first time? 1452 00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:43,520 Speaker 1: Well, truth is, we have never ended the band. Greg 1453 00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:46,160 Speaker 1: and I my buddy from vy Enn. We kept the 1454 00:56:46,280 --> 00:56:48,440 Speaker 1: thing going. We just didn't have a record deal, and 1455 00:56:48,520 --> 00:56:51,000 Speaker 1: so everyone thought that the band disbanded and we lost 1456 00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:52,640 Speaker 1: a lot of you know, most of the original members. 1457 00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:55,360 Speaker 1: I'm the only original one left, so you know my 1458 00:56:56,200 --> 00:56:57,920 Speaker 1: Some would say why don't you just go solo and 1459 00:56:58,040 --> 00:57:01,560 Speaker 1: do the do a solo thing, And I've always answered 1460 00:57:01,600 --> 00:57:03,560 Speaker 1: that with it. I like being in a band. I 1461 00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:05,800 Speaker 1: like the dynamic of a band and the big vocals 1462 00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,719 Speaker 1: and just their West Coast vocals. West Coast vocals. It's 1463 00:57:08,760 --> 00:57:12,440 Speaker 1: just something different about a band energy that's you know, 1464 00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:16,040 Speaker 1: it just feels different than being a soloist. And also 1465 00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:18,800 Speaker 1: the name there's some there's some name records. 1466 00:57:19,760 --> 00:57:21,560 Speaker 2: If you do, if you do have video, as Heath Right, 1467 00:57:21,600 --> 00:57:23,760 Speaker 2: then you got to put both songs at the beginning 1468 00:57:23,760 --> 00:57:25,240 Speaker 2: of the videos. They know that you sang all those 1469 00:57:25,400 --> 00:57:26,960 Speaker 2: true by the time you do three songs in, you 1470 00:57:27,000 --> 00:57:29,640 Speaker 2: haven't play the video yet, you know what I mean. Well, 1471 00:57:29,680 --> 00:57:30,840 Speaker 2: that's a good point. 1472 00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,400 Speaker 1: It's a good point. Yes, I don't know how I 1473 00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:35,400 Speaker 1: would do, and who knows. I may do something as 1474 00:57:35,400 --> 00:57:38,000 Speaker 1: a soloist one of these days, because I've got the 1475 00:57:38,080 --> 00:57:41,200 Speaker 1: freedom to do that now. I'm I'm in creative control 1476 00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:43,920 Speaker 1: of any project I record at this point on. So 1477 00:57:44,440 --> 00:57:47,600 Speaker 1: we've talked about, you know, doing a like Heath Right 1478 00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:51,400 Speaker 1: of Ricochet album someday, because there are certain songs that 1479 00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:53,480 Speaker 1: you can record that might not lend themselves well for 1480 00:57:53,600 --> 00:57:55,920 Speaker 1: a band, because they don't lend themselves well to big 1481 00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:59,080 Speaker 1: West Coast style harmony. And I'd like to record some 1482 00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,000 Speaker 1: of those songs. I've got a whole bag of songs 1483 00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:02,560 Speaker 1: like that that I'd love to record some one day, 1484 00:58:02,600 --> 00:58:05,360 Speaker 1: but they just haven't been right for a big band 1485 00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:06,200 Speaker 1: to record. 1486 00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:08,120 Speaker 2: I feel like you invested your money widely. 1487 00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,080 Speaker 1: If I had money, I think I would have invested 1488 00:58:11,080 --> 00:58:14,640 Speaker 1: at wisely. I've invested in my ranch, and there's anybody 1489 00:58:14,920 --> 00:58:17,160 Speaker 1: I tell people the best way to become a millionaire 1490 00:58:17,200 --> 00:58:19,480 Speaker 1: in the cattle business is to start with two million. 1491 00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:22,680 Speaker 1: It's just I don't know how my dad did it. 1492 00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:25,800 Speaker 1: My dad managed to put me through college just selling cows, and. 1493 00:58:26,680 --> 00:58:27,720 Speaker 2: He was being humble. 1494 00:58:28,080 --> 00:58:31,280 Speaker 1: No, I'm not wealthy, wealthy man, not at all. I 1495 00:58:33,120 --> 00:58:35,040 Speaker 1: might one day know what it's like to be a millionaire, 1496 00:58:35,160 --> 00:58:39,800 Speaker 1: but that that hasn't happened yet. So I'm I'm happy 1497 00:58:40,000 --> 00:58:40,720 Speaker 1: doing what I'm doing. 1498 00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:42,280 Speaker 2: How much is telling? How much does it heer cost? 1499 00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:43,800 Speaker 1: Right now? 1500 00:58:43,880 --> 00:58:44,520 Speaker 2: They're really high. 1501 00:58:45,120 --> 00:58:48,400 Speaker 1: I'm getting ready. I hold five grown cows and I 1502 00:58:48,440 --> 00:58:50,640 Speaker 1: think they were all pregnant. I'm having them progtested. But 1503 00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:54,200 Speaker 1: they sold what is today Tuesday? They sold yesterday, and 1504 00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:57,560 Speaker 1: I expect to get for a pregnant cow, I expect 1505 00:58:57,600 --> 00:58:59,840 Speaker 1: to get about eight hundred, two thousand dollars each. 1506 00:58:59,720 --> 00:59:01,320 Speaker 2: For them, and so what do they cost to raise 1507 00:59:01,480 --> 00:59:02,880 Speaker 2: that pregnant cow to that point? 1508 00:59:03,520 --> 00:59:06,000 Speaker 1: Well, I'm selling my herd down right now because cow 1509 00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:07,959 Speaker 1: cows are really high right now. They're about three dollars 1510 00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:11,640 Speaker 1: a pound so alive. Yeah on the hoof, Yeah, on 1511 00:59:11,720 --> 00:59:13,800 Speaker 1: the hoof, they're three dollars a pound now, Hamburger meet 1512 00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:15,680 Speaker 1: is three dollars a pound. So I should be you know, 1513 00:59:15,720 --> 00:59:18,080 Speaker 1: if I, if I had all the FDA, I should 1514 00:59:18,120 --> 00:59:19,600 Speaker 1: be taking them to a processor and sell them in 1515 00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:21,320 Speaker 1: a package as opposed to sell them on the hoof. 1516 00:59:21,760 --> 00:59:23,720 Speaker 2: But there's a whole lot of FDA stuff. You got 1517 00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:26,560 Speaker 2: to go skip over that. Who needs them? Yeah? 1518 00:59:26,720 --> 00:59:28,600 Speaker 1: Who needs all the governmental Who need them? 1519 00:59:29,880 --> 00:59:32,240 Speaker 2: Do you still? Do you still enjoy the ranch life? 1520 00:59:33,160 --> 00:59:35,000 Speaker 1: Some days I do, and some days I just want 1521 00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:37,240 Speaker 1: to haul them all off right now. But the other 1522 00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:39,760 Speaker 1: day Sunday I was working cows. I was trying to 1523 00:59:39,760 --> 00:59:41,600 Speaker 1: get everything done before I came out to Nashville, and 1524 00:59:42,080 --> 00:59:44,960 Speaker 1: so I was vaccinating and ear tagging and cutting the 1525 00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:48,200 Speaker 1: bullcaves and just trying to get everything ready because I'm 1526 00:59:48,200 --> 00:59:50,560 Speaker 1: going to have I'm start hauling them. I'm getting rid 1527 00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:53,480 Speaker 1: of most of my herd right now. So I'm and 1528 00:59:53,640 --> 00:59:56,439 Speaker 1: about at midday, about five o'clock, we had this cow 1529 00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,200 Speaker 1: jump over the gate and get her dang leg hung 1530 00:59:59,280 --> 01:00:01,680 Speaker 1: in the gate, and I couldn't get that thing out. 1531 01:00:01,760 --> 01:00:04,040 Speaker 1: We couldn't have for thirty minutes. We tried, We tried 1532 01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:06,640 Speaker 1: getting hack saws and saw on the gate, off the hinges, 1533 01:00:06,720 --> 01:00:09,080 Speaker 1: and I was afraid she was just gonna die on me, 1534 01:00:09,240 --> 01:00:11,440 Speaker 1: just gonna lay down and die. And we worked for 1535 01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:13,960 Speaker 1: half an hour just trying to get that cow free 1536 01:00:14,000 --> 01:00:16,480 Speaker 1: of the gate. When I finally realized that I bought 1537 01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,120 Speaker 1: this new thing called we call it a hip hugger, 1538 01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:20,160 Speaker 1: which you kind of clamped down on the hip bones 1539 01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,080 Speaker 1: of a cow and you hook something, you hook a 1540 01:00:22,160 --> 01:00:24,080 Speaker 1: rope or a chain to it, and put her on 1541 01:00:24,160 --> 01:00:26,280 Speaker 1: your tractor and lift her up. That's the only way 1542 01:00:26,320 --> 01:00:28,800 Speaker 1: we got her out. She survived somehow, she but at 1543 01:00:28,840 --> 01:00:30,080 Speaker 1: one point I was just afraid I was going to 1544 01:00:30,160 --> 01:00:31,240 Speaker 1: just have to shoo her in the head like. 1545 01:00:31,280 --> 01:00:33,439 Speaker 2: Live a piano. It feels like you have to lift 1546 01:00:33,480 --> 01:00:34,200 Speaker 2: it and swim. 1547 01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:36,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, So that's kind of what we did with the cow, 1548 01:00:36,520 --> 01:00:39,000 Speaker 1: only we lift her up by its hipbones basically, and 1549 01:00:39,480 --> 01:00:42,280 Speaker 1: she's fine. I mean, she's running around. I've got her 1550 01:00:42,320 --> 01:00:44,320 Speaker 1: in the pasture of cows that I'm about to sell. 1551 01:00:44,400 --> 01:00:46,640 Speaker 1: So she's going to be fine. And she's a young cow. 1552 01:00:46,680 --> 01:00:49,480 Speaker 1: I think she's only a three or four years old, sheeked. 1553 01:00:49,680 --> 01:00:52,800 Speaker 2: Let me reask the question, do you sometimes still love 1554 01:00:53,200 --> 01:00:53,880 Speaker 2: being a rancher? 1555 01:00:53,960 --> 01:00:55,520 Speaker 1: There are days when I love to go out on 1556 01:00:55,600 --> 01:00:57,440 Speaker 1: my tractor and watch them. When it's early in the 1557 01:00:57,480 --> 01:01:00,840 Speaker 1: morning and I'm watching them grays and all fences are up, 1558 01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:04,120 Speaker 1: and I haven't had to haul off anything that just 1559 01:01:04,240 --> 01:01:06,120 Speaker 1: laid down and died, because cows will find a way 1560 01:01:06,160 --> 01:01:08,640 Speaker 1: to either just lay down and die or kill themselves 1561 01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:10,920 Speaker 1: in weird ways, like what just almost happened with this 1562 01:01:11,000 --> 01:01:15,040 Speaker 1: one cow. When everything's going perfect and I didn't have 1563 01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:18,280 Speaker 1: to spend thousands and thousands of dollars on hey or 1564 01:01:19,120 --> 01:01:21,240 Speaker 1: you know, fixed fence the day I was supposed to 1565 01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:24,880 Speaker 1: leave for a road trip or whatever. When things are 1566 01:01:24,920 --> 01:01:26,880 Speaker 1: perfect and the sun is coming up or going down 1567 01:01:26,920 --> 01:01:28,840 Speaker 1: and I can watch them out there grazing all my ranch, 1568 01:01:29,160 --> 01:01:32,320 Speaker 1: that's when I really love it. But days like Sunday 1569 01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:34,280 Speaker 1: that I had, when I'm trying to keep one from 1570 01:01:34,360 --> 01:01:36,360 Speaker 1: killing itself or trying to get them all run through 1571 01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:38,440 Speaker 1: the shoot before it gets dark and get them all 1572 01:01:38,520 --> 01:01:39,280 Speaker 1: vaccinated near. 1573 01:01:39,280 --> 01:01:40,800 Speaker 2: Tag and it's tough. 1574 01:01:40,880 --> 01:01:44,040 Speaker 1: It's not. Ranchers aren't for sissy's. I'm being a ranchers. 1575 01:01:44,280 --> 01:01:47,320 Speaker 2: That's why I'm not one. That's exactly why I'm not one. 1576 01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:50,040 Speaker 2: So Ricochet, the hits in More Than It Now came 1577 01:01:50,080 --> 01:01:53,080 Speaker 2: out mid August. It's out now and again you said 1578 01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:54,320 Speaker 2: there are six or eight new songs on. 1579 01:01:54,360 --> 01:01:57,560 Speaker 1: It, six new songs, ten excuse me, ten new songs, 1580 01:01:57,920 --> 01:01:59,880 Speaker 1: six re recordings of the hits, got it? 1581 01:02:00,680 --> 01:02:03,800 Speaker 2: This has been awesome. We've done over an hour here, seriously, seriously, 1582 01:02:03,880 --> 01:02:05,920 Speaker 2: That one by Fast done over an hour. That Keep 1583 01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:09,960 Speaker 2: You Loving Me is the single from this record? Right, Well, 1584 01:02:10,200 --> 01:02:10,919 Speaker 2: that's a good question. 1585 01:02:11,000 --> 01:02:13,560 Speaker 1: There's I guess you could call it a single from 1586 01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:16,320 Speaker 1: the record. That one sweet Tea are two of my 1587 01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:19,520 Speaker 1: favorites on here. I've co wrote both of them. What 1588 01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:21,520 Speaker 1: You Leave Behind is another co write of mine. 1589 01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:24,560 Speaker 2: Uh, all singles, I guess you can. Yeah. 1590 01:02:24,560 --> 01:02:28,080 Speaker 1: I mean we we kind of released to the DSPs. 1591 01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:35,240 Speaker 2: Six Lingo about and then digital. Yeah, come on, so. 1592 01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:38,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, we've sort of released six singles to the DSPs. 1593 01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:40,720 Speaker 1: But we're I guess at this point, we're just hoping 1594 01:02:40,760 --> 01:02:43,880 Speaker 1: that people uh, either download the project or oh, let 1595 01:02:43,960 --> 01:02:46,120 Speaker 1: me talk about this for a minute. We have partnered 1596 01:02:46,120 --> 01:02:47,720 Speaker 1: with the Wounded Blue. And I don't know if how 1597 01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:49,640 Speaker 1: familiar you are with the Wounded Blue, but it's an 1598 01:02:49,720 --> 01:02:53,720 Speaker 1: organization out of Las Vegas, Nevada whose sole purpose. Yeah 1599 01:02:53,760 --> 01:02:57,360 Speaker 1: they yeah, adopt exactly, Yeah, yeah, adopted cop dot com. 1600 01:02:57,520 --> 01:03:00,520 Speaker 1: You can go to that website and donate twenty dollars 1601 01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:01,840 Speaker 1: or more and they will send you one of our 1602 01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:04,520 Speaker 1: new CDs. We donated boxes of CDs to them, so 1603 01:03:04,600 --> 01:03:06,480 Speaker 1: we're hoping to help raise money for them because their 1604 01:03:06,760 --> 01:03:09,280 Speaker 1: their mission is to help out wounded law enforcement officers. 1605 01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:12,960 Speaker 1: And you know, you'd be surprised. Over one hundred and 1606 01:03:12,960 --> 01:03:16,960 Speaker 1: twenty thousand law enforcement officers were intentionally attacked in the 1607 01:03:17,040 --> 01:03:18,480 Speaker 1: last two years. That's on their website. 1608 01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:18,800 Speaker 2: I read that. 1609 01:03:18,880 --> 01:03:22,560 Speaker 1: I pulled that from their website, and it's just amazing 1610 01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:25,520 Speaker 1: how much how much they do for us, and that 1611 01:03:25,920 --> 01:03:28,640 Speaker 1: gets overlooked. I've said it one hundred times. I think 1612 01:03:28,680 --> 01:03:30,920 Speaker 1: that the three most dangerous words ever spoken in this 1613 01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:34,920 Speaker 1: country were defund the police. I'm not a fan of 1614 01:03:34,960 --> 01:03:37,160 Speaker 1: that movement. This is our way of trying to counter 1615 01:03:37,240 --> 01:03:37,600 Speaker 1: that movement. 1616 01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:40,320 Speaker 2: I think we should fund the ranchers is what I think. Hey, 1617 01:03:40,560 --> 01:03:43,280 Speaker 2: we should just give you money for no reason. Just 1618 01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:46,040 Speaker 2: come give me money. And could you know what people 1619 01:03:46,120 --> 01:03:46,320 Speaker 2: do that? 1620 01:03:46,440 --> 01:03:48,120 Speaker 1: People will come to a ranch just to stay on 1621 01:03:48,160 --> 01:03:50,000 Speaker 1: it for a few days. Well, they call them dude rents, 1622 01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:53,680 Speaker 1: just for the whole wrenching experience and they'll actually help you. 1623 01:03:53,800 --> 01:03:55,680 Speaker 1: Well not yet, but I'm working on it. I'm building 1624 01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:57,280 Speaker 1: a barn to many of them so that people can 1625 01:03:57,320 --> 01:03:59,280 Speaker 1: come spend the weekend with me and bring your work 1626 01:03:59,320 --> 01:04:02,360 Speaker 1: gloves and you don't get me a day. 1627 01:04:02,640 --> 01:04:04,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then they pay me. 1628 01:04:04,080 --> 01:04:05,400 Speaker 1: And then they helped me do my work. They helped 1629 01:04:05,400 --> 01:04:06,800 Speaker 1: me fix fence, they helped me work here. 1630 01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:08,120 Speaker 2: They didn't grow up in the country. Then, because I 1631 01:04:08,120 --> 01:04:10,520 Speaker 2: ain't doing that, as you know, I did much haul 1632 01:04:10,600 --> 01:04:12,919 Speaker 2: too much. Hey, I work or too much? Yes, don't 1633 01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:14,600 Speaker 2: tell don't tell them. This is a part of the 1634 01:04:14,680 --> 01:04:16,880 Speaker 2: ranching experience. Well, all your rich city selectors out there, 1635 01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:19,600 Speaker 2: the ranching experience of heat is a really great place. 1636 01:04:20,560 --> 01:04:22,080 Speaker 1: You never know, you might we might get a cow 1637 01:04:22,680 --> 01:04:24,320 Speaker 1: a leg hung in a gate or something. Yeah, that's 1638 01:04:24,640 --> 01:04:26,120 Speaker 1: that's the that's got to pay extra for that. 1639 01:04:26,200 --> 01:04:26,680 Speaker 2: Well, you do have to. 1640 01:04:26,760 --> 01:04:27,720 Speaker 1: If we have something like that happened. 1641 01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:30,360 Speaker 2: You got to pay pay extra. Yes, Caitlin, did I 1642 01:04:30,400 --> 01:04:33,200 Speaker 2: miss anything? Is there anything? We won't put your camerack 1643 01:04:33,200 --> 01:04:34,680 Speaker 2: you to make it. You want to talking to the microphones, 1644 01:04:34,720 --> 01:04:38,080 Speaker 2: we can hear you, Okay, don't. You won't be on 1645 01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:39,560 Speaker 2: just come over here, but we can't hear you're yelling 1646 01:04:39,600 --> 01:04:40,200 Speaker 2: from across the room. 1647 01:04:41,080 --> 01:04:41,280 Speaker 1: It is. 1648 01:04:41,360 --> 01:04:42,960 Speaker 2: It's interesting to everybody. If it's interesting to you, you're 1649 01:04:42,960 --> 01:04:45,480 Speaker 2: the most interesting person I know. I'm here, thank you. No, 1650 01:04:45,600 --> 01:04:47,400 Speaker 2: I just wanted to say thank you for seeing at 1651 01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:48,360 Speaker 2: my grandpa's funeral. 1652 01:04:48,560 --> 01:04:50,680 Speaker 1: Well, I was honored. He was a great man. He 1653 01:04:50,800 --> 01:04:53,080 Speaker 1: was as your uncle said. I don't know how. 1654 01:04:53,080 --> 01:04:54,640 Speaker 2: Jeff got through that. That eulogy. 1655 01:04:55,000 --> 01:04:56,920 Speaker 1: That was the best eulogy I've ever heard at any 1656 01:04:57,120 --> 01:04:59,440 Speaker 1: any field. And Jeff told me the night before, you say, 1657 01:04:59,480 --> 01:05:02,160 Speaker 1: here's here's the songs that I want. And he's like 1658 01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:04,880 Speaker 1: five songs. I'm like, Jeff, normally at funerals you don't 1659 01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:07,480 Speaker 1: do that many songs. He says, yep, but I want these. 1660 01:05:07,520 --> 01:05:10,880 Speaker 1: And it was like uptempo songs like with a circle 1661 01:05:10,960 --> 01:05:12,640 Speaker 1: be unbroken, things like that. I was like, well, these 1662 01:05:12,840 --> 01:05:15,720 Speaker 1: aren't really normal funeral songs. Funeral songs are like amazing 1663 01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:18,200 Speaker 1: grace and it is well with my soul and stuff 1664 01:05:18,240 --> 01:05:19,520 Speaker 1: like that, and he says, no, I want this to 1665 01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:22,840 Speaker 1: be a celebration, a celebration of life. JB was a 1666 01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:24,760 Speaker 1: great man. He and my dad were good friends. And 1667 01:05:25,680 --> 01:05:26,960 Speaker 1: I was honored to get to sing it. 1668 01:05:27,200 --> 01:05:29,160 Speaker 2: Oh. We were very thankful, and I got to talk 1669 01:05:29,200 --> 01:05:31,560 Speaker 2: to Greg briefly after, but I didn't get it. Thank you, 1670 01:05:31,720 --> 01:05:33,440 Speaker 2: So I just wanted to thank you a lot. 1671 01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:34,560 Speaker 1: Thank you. I thank Jeff. 1672 01:05:34,600 --> 01:05:35,480 Speaker 2: He called me up that night. 1673 01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:37,240 Speaker 1: I said, thanks for having me at this man. I 1674 01:05:38,080 --> 01:05:40,400 Speaker 1: was really pleased and honored to get. 1675 01:05:40,320 --> 01:05:46,440 Speaker 2: To do it. Good. Okay, you guys, follow official Ricochet 1676 01:05:46,520 --> 01:05:51,000 Speaker 2: band on Instagram, check out the record and again, go 1677 01:05:51,040 --> 01:05:53,680 Speaker 2: to adopt coop dot com and donate and you'll get 1678 01:05:53,680 --> 01:05:55,640 Speaker 2: a record there as well. Listen to s CD. There 1679 01:05:55,720 --> 01:05:56,320 Speaker 2: we go. That's it. 1680 01:05:56,440 --> 01:06:00,480 Speaker 3: Thank you, guys, thanks for listening to a Bobby Cast production.