WEBVTT - Rumpelstiltskin

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<v Speaker 1>School of Humans.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Miranda Hawkins. Welcome to the Deep dark Woods. Today's

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<v Speaker 2>story is Atu five hundred, the name of the Helper

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<v Speaker 2>or Rumpelstiltskin.

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<v Speaker 3>Once upon a time there was a miller who was poor,

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<v Speaker 3>but who had a beautiful daughter. Now it happened that

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<v Speaker 3>he got into a conversation with the king, and to

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<v Speaker 3>make an impression on him, he said, I have a

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<v Speaker 3>daughter who can spin straw into gold. The king said

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<v Speaker 3>to the miller, that is an.

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<v Speaker 4>Art I really like.

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<v Speaker 3>If your daughter is as skillful as you say, then

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<v Speaker 3>bring her to my castle tomorrow and I will put

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<v Speaker 3>her to the test. When the girl was brought to him,

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<v Speaker 3>he led her into a room that was entirely filled

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<v Speaker 3>with straw, giving her a spinning wheel and reel, he said,

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<v Speaker 3>get to work now, spin all night, and if by

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<v Speaker 3>morning you have not spun this straw into gold, then

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<v Speaker 3>you will have to die. Then he himself locked the room,

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<v Speaker 3>and she was there all alone. The poor miller's daughter

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<v Speaker 3>sat there and for her life she did not know

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<v Speaker 3>what to do. She had no idea how to spin

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<v Speaker 3>straw into gold. She became more and more afraid and

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<v Speaker 3>finally began to cry. Then Suddenly the door opened, a

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<v Speaker 3>little man stepped inside and said, good evening, mistress Miller.

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<v Speaker 4>Why are you crying so oh? Answered the girl.

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<v Speaker 3>I am supposed to spin straw into gold, and I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know how to do it. The little man said,

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<v Speaker 3>what will you give me if I spin it for you?

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<v Speaker 3>My necklace, said the girl. The little man took the necklace,

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<v Speaker 3>sat down before the spinning wheel, and whir whre whre

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<v Speaker 3>three times pulled, and the spool was full. Then he

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<v Speaker 3>put another one on and whre whre whre three times pulled,

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<v Speaker 3>and the second one was full as well. So it

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<v Speaker 3>went until morning, and then all the straw was spun,

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<v Speaker 3>and all the spools were filled with gold. At sunrise,

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<v Speaker 3>the king came and when he saw the gold, he

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<v Speaker 3>was surprised and happy, but his heart became even more

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<v Speaker 3>greedy for gold. He had the miller's daughter taken to

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<v Speaker 3>another room filled with straw. It was even larger, and

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<v Speaker 3>he ordered her to spin it in one night if

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<v Speaker 3>she valued her life. The girl did not know what

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<v Speaker 3>to do, and she cried once again. The door opened

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<v Speaker 3>and the little man appeared. He said, what will you

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<v Speaker 3>give me if I spin the straw into gold for

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<v Speaker 3>you the ring from my finger, answered the girl. The

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<v Speaker 3>little man took the ring and began once again to

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<v Speaker 3>whir with the spinning wheel. By morning he had spun

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<v Speaker 3>all the straw into glistening gold. The king was happy

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<v Speaker 3>beyond measure when he saw it, but he still did

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<v Speaker 3>not have his fill of gold. He had the miller's

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<v Speaker 3>daughter taken to a still larger room filled with straw,

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<v Speaker 3>and said to night you must spin this too. If

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<v Speaker 3>you succeed, you shall become my wife. He thought, even

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<v Speaker 3>if she is only a miller's daughter, I will not

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<v Speaker 3>find a richer wife in all the world. When the

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<v Speaker 3>girl was alone, the little man returned for a third time.

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<v Speaker 3>He said, what will you give me if I spin

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<v Speaker 3>the straw?

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<v Speaker 4>This time? I have nothing more.

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<v Speaker 3>That I could give you, answered the girl. Then promise

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<v Speaker 3>me after you are a queen your first child. Who

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<v Speaker 3>knows what will happen, thought the miller's daughter, and, not

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<v Speaker 3>knowing what else to do, she promised the little man

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<v Speaker 3>what he demanded. In return, the little man once again

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<v Speaker 3>spun the straw into gold. When in the morning the

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<v Speaker 3>king came and found everything just as he desired. He

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<v Speaker 3>married her, and the beautiful Miller's daughter became queen. A

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<v Speaker 3>year later, she brought a beautiful child into the world.

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<v Speaker 3>She thought no more about the little Man, but suddenly

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<v Speaker 3>he appeared in her room and said, now give me

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<v Speaker 3>that which you have promised. The queen took fright and

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<v Speaker 3>offered the little man all the wealth of the kingdom

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<v Speaker 3>if he would let her keep the child. But the

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<v Speaker 3>little man said no, something living is dearer to me

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<v Speaker 3>than all the treasures of the world. Then the queen

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<v Speaker 3>began lamenting and crying so much that the little man

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<v Speaker 3>took pity on her and said.

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<v Speaker 1>I will give you three days time. If by then

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<v Speaker 1>you know my name, then you shall keep your child.

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<v Speaker 1>The queen spent an entire night thinking of all the

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<v Speaker 1>names she had ever heard. Then she sent a messenger

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<v Speaker 1>into the country to inquire far and wide what other

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<v Speaker 1>names there were.

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<v Speaker 4>When the little man.

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<v Speaker 3>Returned the next day, she began with Casper Melcher Bowser

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<v Speaker 3>and said, in order all the names she knew. After

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<v Speaker 3>each one, the little man said, that's not my name.

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<v Speaker 3>The second day she sent inquiries into the neighborhood as

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<v Speaker 3>to what names people had. She recited the most unusual

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<v Speaker 3>and most curious names to the little man, is your

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<v Speaker 3>name perhaps beast rib or mutton, calf or leg string,

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<v Speaker 3>But he always answered, that's not my name. On the

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<v Speaker 3>third day, the messenger returned and said, I have not

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<v Speaker 3>been able to find a single new name. But when

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<v Speaker 3>I was approaching a high mountain in the corner of

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<v Speaker 3>the woods there where the fox and the hare sa

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<v Speaker 3>good night, I saw a little house. A fire was

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<v Speaker 3>burning in front of the house, and an altogether comical

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<v Speaker 3>little man was jumping around the fire, hopping on one

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<v Speaker 3>leg and calling out, Today, I'll bake, Tomorrow, I'll brew,

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<v Speaker 3>then I'll fetch the queen's newte child. It's good that

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<v Speaker 3>no one knows rumpel Stiltskin is my name. You can

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<v Speaker 3>imagine how happy the queen was when she heard that name.

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<v Speaker 3>Soon afterwards, the little man came in and asked, now,

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<v Speaker 3>Madam Queen, what is my name? She first asked, is

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<v Speaker 3>your name kunts No?

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<v Speaker 4>Is your name?

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<v Speaker 3>Heinz no?

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<v Speaker 4>Is your name?

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<v Speaker 3>Perhaps rumpel Stiltskin. The devil told you that.

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<v Speaker 2>The devil told you that, shouted the little.

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<v Speaker 3>Man, and with anger he stomped his right foot so

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<v Speaker 3>hard into the ground that he fell in up to

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<v Speaker 3>his waist. Then with both hands he took hold of

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<v Speaker 3>his left foot and ripped himself up the middle.

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<v Speaker 2>Into rumpel Stiltskin was never one of my favorite stories.

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<v Speaker 2>It never stood out to me in the way other

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<v Speaker 2>tales did. But although it is popular, and the brother's

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<v Speaker 2>grim version perhaps the most popular, it's a tale that

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<v Speaker 2>has far reaching roots. Similar to Cinderella, the origins of

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<v Speaker 2>Rumpelstiltskin dates back thousands of years. The tale we know

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<v Speaker 2>itself doesn't, but making a deal with a supernatural creature

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<v Speaker 2>for a return does. This pattern for a story has

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<v Speaker 2>been dated back between twenty five hundred to six thousand years.

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<v Speaker 2>It wasn't until later that the Rumpelstiltskin We're familiar with

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<v Speaker 2>was written. Joann Fischhart was a German satirist and publicist

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<v Speaker 2>whose book Gargantua was published sometime in the fifteen seventies.

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<v Speaker 2>The book is an adaptation of frenchmen Francois Rabelais The

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<v Speaker 2>Life of Gargantua and of pantic Roll. This was a

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<v Speaker 2>series of five books published between fifteen thirty two and

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen sixty four.

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<v Speaker 4>The book is a satirical and.

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<v Speaker 2>Humorous take on religion through the Adventures of two Giants,

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<v Speaker 2>a father and a son.

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<v Speaker 4>Although the books were banned.

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<v Speaker 2>During Rabelais's time, they were still read all across Europe.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, these two giants are some of the most

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<v Speaker 2>famous giants in European literature. But that crudeness and violence

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<v Speaker 2>found in the original tales were in a way the

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<v Speaker 2>foundation for rumpel Stilskin, because they were the elements that fish.

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<v Speaker 4>Art really liked.

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<v Speaker 2>In Fishart's adaptation, rumpel Stilskin shows up as a three

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and sixty third amusement. Basically that means he had

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<v Speaker 2>a list of games in his book, and this was

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<v Speaker 2>a three hundred and sixty third one listed. There's this

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<v Speaker 2>old children's game rempel Stilt oder dare Popart, which Fischhart

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<v Speaker 2>Rumpelstilskin is thought to be derived from. In German, rumpel

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<v Speaker 2>Stiltskin is translated as little rattle stilt. The stilt refers

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<v Speaker 2>to a pole or post which is used for support,

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<v Speaker 2>like the support to use for building a fence, stilt

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<v Speaker 2>or stults, if you're taking their archaic German word also

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<v Speaker 2>means lame or with a limp, and the first half

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<v Speaker 2>rumpel stilt refers to a type of goblin. That goblin

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<v Speaker 2>was also called Poupard or pope art, hint the origins

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<v Speaker 2>of Rumpel's name. The game was played with one child

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<v Speaker 2>being the goblin and banging on pots or pans or

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<v Speaker 2>planks to make noise and chase the other children. Think

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<v Speaker 2>of it like a game of tag, just a lot

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<v Speaker 2>louder in with no tagging, and to this day the

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<v Speaker 2>game is still played in some parts of Germany. By

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<v Speaker 2>the time the Grams got around to Rumpelstiltskin, it was

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<v Speaker 2>a well known story throughout Europe. Although the brother are

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<v Speaker 2>said to have collected stories from the everyday folk, we

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<v Speaker 2>know that most of the stories they collected were from

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<v Speaker 2>other scholars and people from upper classes.

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<v Speaker 4>We also know that.

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<v Speaker 2>The brothers did a lot of editing the tales published,

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<v Speaker 2>and their collections were not the original stories that were

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<v Speaker 2>told on the street or had been passed down with Rumpell.

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<v Speaker 2>The brothers actually took four different versions of the story

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<v Speaker 2>and stitched them into the well known tale we now know. However,

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<v Speaker 2>the first version they published was more tame than the

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<v Speaker 2>final version. The eighteen twelve version ends with Rumpel running

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<v Speaker 2>away angrily and never coming back, but this tale actually

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<v Speaker 2>became more dark and evolved into the ending you just heard,

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<v Speaker 2>which is where he tears himself into Although Rumpel dies

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<v Speaker 2>gruesomely in the Grim's final telling, that's not always how

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<v Speaker 2>the story ends. When I first set out on digging

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<v Speaker 2>into Rumple, I felt like this was one of those

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<v Speaker 2>tales that was falling by the wayside. I didn't feel

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<v Speaker 2>like it held as much importance or wasn't as relevant

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<v Speaker 2>as stories like Cinderella and The Frog Prince. To my knowledge,

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<v Speaker 2>Disney hasn't done its own spin on the fairy tale.

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<v Speaker 2>But as with almost everything, the more I researched, the

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<v Speaker 2>more I proved myself wrong. I also realized I was

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<v Speaker 2>surrounded with adaptations of Rumpel, but they weren't necessarily as obvious.

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<v Speaker 2>First off, so many countries have a Rumpel tail. While

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<v Speaker 2>stories like Cinderella have what I call the main three,

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<v Speaker 2>the Zilee, Pirot, and the brothers Grim, Rumpel has roots

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<v Speaker 2>all over the world, Arabic, Russian, and even South American

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<v Speaker 2>that falls under the tail Type five hundred A mischievous

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<v Speaker 2>or evil helper that is defeated by a hero or

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<v Speaker 2>heroine in the end. There's a Scottish version that was

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<v Speaker 2>collected by Robert Chambers and published in eighteen fifty eight.

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<v Speaker 2>In this story, a woman's husband heads to the market

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<v Speaker 2>with all their money and never comes back. She's left

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<v Speaker 2>with their baby and prize pig. The pig was pregnant,

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<v Speaker 2>so the woman felt that everything would be okay because

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<v Speaker 2>she believed a strong litter of piglets would see her

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<v Speaker 2>and her son throw. But soon after she realized the

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<v Speaker 2>mother pig wasn't doing so hot. The pig laid on

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<v Speaker 2>her side in the pig pen, wheezing, and it seemed

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<v Speaker 2>she would die soon. At that point, the woman lost

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<v Speaker 2>all hope and sat down crying. All of a sudden,

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<v Speaker 2>a small woman came down the road and told the

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<v Speaker 2>mother she knew all about our troubles and could save

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<v Speaker 2>the pig. But the small woman asked what would be

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<v Speaker 2>given in payment. The mother did not have time to

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<v Speaker 2>respond before the small woman pulled out a small vial

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<v Speaker 2>of liquid, rubbed some on the pig, who was then

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<v Speaker 2>immediately healed. The woman then said she wanted the mother's

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<v Speaker 2>child as payment. The mother cried out in despair. The

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<v Speaker 2>small woman revealed she was a fairy and said she'd

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<v Speaker 2>be back in three days to take the child.

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<v Speaker 4>Having to wait due to fairy.

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<v Speaker 2>Law, she told the mother the only way she could

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<v Speaker 2>save her son was if she could guess the fairy's name,

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<v Speaker 2>and three tries, the fairy then left. The woman wandered

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<v Speaker 2>the woods to help herself think. On the second day,

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<v Speaker 2>she heard a song and followed it and found the

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<v Speaker 2>fairy spinning and singing to herself, And in that song,

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<v Speaker 2>the fay said her name. The next day, when the

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<v Speaker 2>fairy showed up to take the baby, the mother guessed

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<v Speaker 2>her name was Whoopedie's story. The fairy was so mad

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<v Speaker 2>she turned red and stumped off, never to be seen again.

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<v Speaker 2>Then there's an Icelandic tail about a farmer who married

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<v Speaker 2>a young and beautiful woman, but his new wife was

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<v Speaker 2>lazy and never wanted to work for the winter. He

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<v Speaker 2>gave her wool and asked her to spin it so

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<v Speaker 2>they could make cloth, but she did not, no matter

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<v Speaker 2>how much she complained at her. One day, a large

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<v Speaker 2>woman came by asking for a favor. The farmer's wife

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<v Speaker 2>asked if the woman could do some work in return.

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<v Speaker 2>She asked the large woman to spin the wool to

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<v Speaker 2>be used to make cloth. The large woman agreed and

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<v Speaker 2>spun all of the wool and payment. She told the

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<v Speaker 2>farmer's bride that she would have to guess her name.

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<v Speaker 2>A deal was made, and the large woman said she'd

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<v Speaker 2>return the first day of summer. The farmer's wife became

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<v Speaker 2>more irate during the winter and spring months as she

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<v Speaker 2>couldn't figure out the large woman's name. When she told

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<v Speaker 2>her husband, he responded she had done a bad thing

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<v Speaker 2>because that woman was a troll and was going to

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<v Speaker 2>take her away. A while later, the farmer was taking

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<v Speaker 2>a walk and came upon a large mound of rock.

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<v Speaker 2>He heard a sound and followed it to a hole

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<v Speaker 2>in the rock, where he saw the troll spinning and singing,

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<v Speaker 2>and in that song she said her name. The man

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<v Speaker 2>went back home, wrote the name down and gave.

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<v Speaker 4>It to his wife, telling her this was the troll's name.

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<v Speaker 2>When the troll came the first day of summer, the

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<v Speaker 2>farmer's wife said the name on the third try, and

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<v Speaker 2>the troll was so angry she ran off, never to

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<v Speaker 2>be seen again. The farmer's wife was so relieved she

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<v Speaker 2>became an industrious person that happily spun wool if you

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<v Speaker 2>Notice and Rumbel Stilskin and these other Helper stories, the

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<v Speaker 2>helper is portrayed as the villain. The character is used

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<v Speaker 2>as a device to show the shortcomings of those around them.

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<v Speaker 4>But let's fast.

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<v Speaker 2>Forward to newer takes on the old Helper story. Rumbel

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<v Speaker 2>has been tucked into some of my favorite childhood cartoons

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<v Speaker 2>without me realizing it. I was rewatching Courage the Cowardly

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<v Speaker 2>Dog the other day because I still do watch cartoons.

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<v Speaker 2>One episode is a new creepy take on the story.

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<v Speaker 2>Courage of the Cowardly Dog is a Cartoon Network show,

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<v Speaker 2>so while it's four kids, it's for adults as well,

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<v Speaker 2>And the whole show is about a dog who's terrified

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<v Speaker 2>of everything but protects his owners, Muriel and Eustas against

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<v Speaker 2>creepy events that happen in the middle of nowhere. That's

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<v Speaker 2>the town they live in, and sure enough, the title

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<v Speaker 2>of the episode is called Rumpled Stiltskin. Notice they add

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<v Speaker 2>the ed in there, so it's rump Bold instead of

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<v Speaker 2>rump bull in it, the bad tempered Scottish Storf tricks

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<v Speaker 2>Muriel in Courage to make five thousand tartan kilts for

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<v Speaker 2>his outlet stores. If they don't complete the task, he'll

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<v Speaker 2>make them into shepherd's pie unless they discover his name.

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<v Speaker 2>Courage escapes goes through a series of tasks to learn

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<v Speaker 2>Rumpold's name before passing the knowledge to Muriel.

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<v Speaker 4>When Muriel reveals to.

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<v Speaker 2>Rumpold she knows his name, the Scottish dwarf bursts into tears.

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<v Speaker 2>Turns out he hates his name. Muriel says he should

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<v Speaker 2>change it to Rumpelstilskin without the ed, and he likes

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<v Speaker 2>it so much that he changes it and the two

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<v Speaker 2>become business partners. It's a happy ending for all. Rumpel

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<v Speaker 2>or Rumpled isn't a bad guy in this story. It's

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<v Speaker 2>that he's unhappy, and the episode teaches that a little

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<v Speaker 2>kindness can lead to a quote happy ending. Also, there's

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<v Speaker 2>a change in the dynamic of power. It's not Rumpel

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<v Speaker 2>helping someone, but he's his own master. If this was

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<v Speaker 2>an older tale, it could be argued he portrays the

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<v Speaker 2>devil himself, who in the end is really not so bad.

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<v Speaker 2>The idea of looking at Rumpel as more than an

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<v Speaker 2>m or a creature or a person to make a

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<v Speaker 2>deal with continues in modern character arcs. In my opinion.

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<v Speaker 2>One of these strongest examples of this is in the

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<v Speaker 2>show Once Upon a Time. It was a fantasy drama

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<v Speaker 2>adventure that spanned seven seasons from twenty eleven to twenty eighteen.

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<v Speaker 2>In order to save a child from a curse, fair

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<v Speaker 2>tale characters are sent to modern day Storybrooke, Maine. The

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<v Speaker 2>show starts with a young boy showing up at bail

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<v Speaker 2>bondsman Emma Swan's place, claiming he's her son and she's

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<v Speaker 2>the daughter of Snow White and Prince Charming. After dropping

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<v Speaker 2>the boy off in the town, Emma Swan starts to

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<v Speaker 2>think there might be something to the boy's story. As

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<v Speaker 2>the show progresses, more fairy tale characters enter and we

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<v Speaker 2>learn about them as well. Rumpelstilskin is shown as a

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<v Speaker 2>human covered in scales. He's portrayed as the most villainous

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<v Speaker 2>of all the bad guys, but also one of the

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<v Speaker 2>characters you'll feel the worse for. His story is complicated.

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<v Speaker 2>He's evil.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, he makes deals.

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<v Speaker 2>For firstborns and in exchange the person gets what they want,

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<v Speaker 2>But then you learn it's because he lost his son,

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<v Speaker 2>Bill Fire, and his evil stems from a dagger with

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<v Speaker 2>dark magic that he began using to.

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<v Speaker 4>Try and find his son.

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<v Speaker 2>All he truly wants is the love of a family

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<v Speaker 2>of his son, but because of the dagger, he can't stop.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a tale of greed and cowardice and bravery and

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<v Speaker 2>change all rolled into one. It's seven seasons, so there's

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<v Speaker 2>not time to break down every moral and meaning a

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<v Speaker 2>hein Rumpled's character in Once but overall it shows that

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<v Speaker 2>there's more complexities than someone just being a bad guy.

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<v Speaker 2>It's us wanting to know why, taking the time to understand,

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<v Speaker 2>and it could even be argued what it means to

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<v Speaker 2>be human. The different aspects were presented and wrestle with

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<v Speaker 2>every day. The idea of exploring Rumpelstiltskin as a more

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<v Speaker 2>human character is also portrayed in the Gilded duology, published

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<v Speaker 2>in twenty twenty one. Gilded follows the story of Cirillda.

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<v Speaker 2>She's a poor miller's daughter who spends wild tales that

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<v Speaker 2>get her into trouble since everyone believes they are lies.

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<v Speaker 2>She ends up being swept away to this cursed castle

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<v Speaker 2>that is basically held under siege by the demon King.

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<v Speaker 2>It follows the original tale of she must spin straw

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<v Speaker 2>into gold or be killed, but instead of help coming

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<v Speaker 2>from a goblin or imp, it comes from a young

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<v Speaker 2>man who is part of the curse. As a story unfolds,

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<v Speaker 2>you learn that he is actually a cursed prince named

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<v Speaker 2>Guild who can't be released until he remembers his true name,

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<v Speaker 2>which is of course Rumpelstiltskin, and at the end, he

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<v Speaker 2>and Serrilda are married and.

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<v Speaker 4>Have a kid.

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<v Speaker 2>This child is a child that she promised for his

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<v Speaker 2>third night of help, but since it is their kid,

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<v Speaker 2>she gave him her firstborn by birthing the child. While

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<v Speaker 2>Srilda is the main hero here, Guild is also a hero.

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<v Speaker 2>Although he is under duress. He helps Srilda fight demons

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<v Speaker 2>and uncover the mystery to who he is and to

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<v Speaker 2>break the curse on him and the subjects in his castle.

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<v Speaker 2>These newer adaptations tend to explore more of who Rumpelstiltskin

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<v Speaker 2>is and what he is searching for. They humanize a

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<v Speaker 2>character that was originally a fairy creature bent on causing

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<v Speaker 2>mischief at the expense of another. As we know from

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<v Speaker 2>this series, fairy tales come with lessons and morals, So

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<v Speaker 2>what is rumpel Stiltskin trying to teach us. Some people

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<v Speaker 2>think that Stillskin could have been about teaching women how

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<v Speaker 2>they should be supportive in their marriages. At first, this

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<v Speaker 2>idea seems more aligned to the Icelandic tale we heard earlier,

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<v Speaker 2>but spinning can be interpreted as a metaphor for all

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<v Speaker 2>household skills, and at the time, society's expectations of women

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<v Speaker 2>revolved around household skills and having kids. And then others

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<v Speaker 2>think it's a cautionary tale for children to behave or

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<v Speaker 2>for mothers to keep an eye on their kids. Although

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<v Speaker 2>I feel like this one lends itself to other helper

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<v Speaker 2>stories more so than the Grimm's version. One moral in

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<v Speaker 2>the Grimm's tale is greed and also a warning.

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<v Speaker 4>To be honest.

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<v Speaker 2>There's this idea that if the miller had been honest

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<v Speaker 2>with the king from the beginning, then the miller's daughter

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<v Speaker 2>would never have found herself in the position she was.

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<v Speaker 2>Notice the patriarchal view of putting the onus on the woman,

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<v Speaker 2>even though it's the miller who offered her up. I

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<v Speaker 2>talked to cultural studies professor Meredith jack Sipes about grims

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<v Speaker 2>Rumplestol Skin, and he brought the moral of the story

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<v Speaker 2>back to spinning, specifically, what spinning represented in the lives

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<v Speaker 2>of women and the Grimm's time.

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<v Speaker 4>Women, specifically in the lower.

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<v Speaker 2>Class, spent a lot of time and effort making clothes

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<v Speaker 2>for their families.

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<v Speaker 5>There were no great, huge machines in manufacturing companies that

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<v Speaker 5>made clothes. The closes people wore were made at home

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<v Speaker 5>by spinning, and so spinning was extremely important. But it

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<v Speaker 5>was also hard labor for young women. It's well known

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<v Speaker 5>that there were a lot of accidents with regard to spinning,

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<v Speaker 5>and it was hard work on their fingers, and so

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<v Speaker 5>this is a tale about the way women were forced

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<v Speaker 5>to make their own clothes or clothes for the family.

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<v Speaker 2>Spinning was arduous, back breaking labor. It could be painful,

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<v Speaker 2>and Zeips suggests that rumpel Stilskin could be a tale

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<v Speaker 2>about how women dreamed of a better life for themselves,

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<v Speaker 2>a life without this intense labor. After all, even though

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<v Speaker 2>it comes with the price and the story, it's rumpel

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<v Speaker 2>Stilskin who takes over the task of spinning.

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<v Speaker 6>In the old days, in the sixteen, seventeenth, eighteenth centuries,

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<v Speaker 6>there used to be aughts where women would gather in

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<v Speaker 6>a community and jabber away and tell stories about how

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<v Speaker 6>women would like to free themselves of the treatment. So

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<v Speaker 6>it's all about the rise of a young woman, fortunately

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<v Speaker 6>through the service of this little man, and she succeeds

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<v Speaker 6>in saving herself.

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<v Speaker 2>Rumpel Stilskin is a story of triumph for a young woman.

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<v Speaker 2>She overcomes an impossible task set before her by people

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<v Speaker 2>with unreasonable expectations. She lifts herself up from poverty and

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<v Speaker 2>becomes the queen, and then she even overcomes Rumpel. But

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<v Speaker 2>that's just one take. Rumpelstilskin isn't being left behind. As

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<v Speaker 2>with all things, it's adapting. The new retellings are filling

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<v Speaker 2>in blanks, digging into the whys, and really questioning not

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<v Speaker 2>just who the real bad guy was, but how they

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<v Speaker 2>became that way. And they're also holding true to the

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<v Speaker 2>trope of rags to riches, of someone wanting a better life.

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<v Speaker 2>And hopefully when help is offered to turn those dreams

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<v Speaker 2>into a reality, it won't be by a mischievous helper.

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<v Speaker 2>Next time we'll hear from an author who turned Cinderella

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<v Speaker 2>into a cyborg.

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<v Speaker 4>The Deep Dark.

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<v Speaker 2>Woods is a production of School of Humans and iHeart Podcasts.

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<v Speaker 2>It was created, written and hosted by me Miranda Hawkins.

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<v Speaker 2>This episode was produced by Mike hal June was senior producer.

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