1 00:00:05,840 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace. By twenty sixteen, Anna Delvi 2 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:18,160 Speaker 1: was a regular in the NYC social scene, frequenting many 3 00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:22,520 Speaker 1: popular downtown restaurants, bars, and clubs. With an extravagant lifestyle 4 00:00:22,560 --> 00:00:25,680 Speaker 1: and a seemingly endless supply of money. Delvi was an 5 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: enigma that was made for the age of Instagram, always 6 00:00:29,160 --> 00:00:31,720 Speaker 1: at the right place with the right people, living her 7 00:00:31,760 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 1: best life, but with no apparent cause for her fame. 8 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:38,159 Speaker 1: Her circle of acquaintances was fed various stories as to 9 00:00:38,240 --> 00:00:41,400 Speaker 1: how she accumulated her vast wealth. Her father was a 10 00:00:41,479 --> 00:00:45,040 Speaker 1: Russian billionaire, a Russian diplomat, an oil tycoon, a Russian 11 00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:49,320 Speaker 1: antiques collector, or, a solar energy capitalist. While many parts 12 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:53,080 Speaker 1: of Delve's story were fluid, some things were consistent. Delvey 13 00:00:53,159 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: made no effort to hide her internship at the Paris 14 00:00:55,320 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 1: magazine Purple, and made it very clear that her dream 15 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: was to open a soho house for art and quote upset. 16 00:01:01,120 --> 00:01:05,839 Speaker 1: Fake German heiress Anna Sarroken vows to appeal her conviction. 17 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:11,280 Speaker 1: She's found guilty of grand larceny after a life of 18 00:01:11,520 --> 00:01:15,120 Speaker 1: fake ripping people off to nearly a quarter of a 19 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 1: million dollars that we know of who would believe a 20 00:01:19,160 --> 00:01:24,160 Speaker 1: Russian heiress and for over thousands of dollars, and in 21 00:01:24,280 --> 00:01:28,440 Speaker 1: court she was more upset about her designer clothing wardrobe 22 00:01:28,560 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: than she was about being found guilty. Now that's unusual. 23 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:36,240 Speaker 1: I'm Nancy Grace. This is crime Stories. This girl, Anna 24 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: Sirokan also known as Anna Delvi, somehow manages to con 25 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:46,080 Speaker 1: soho Elite out of a quarter of a million dollars. 26 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:49,920 Speaker 1: Joining me an all star lineup. Jeff Cortez, a former 27 00:01:50,080 --> 00:01:56,240 Speaker 1: FBI special agent, Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, author of Red Flags, 28 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: doctor William and July psychologist, and John Linley, Crime online 29 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: Com investigative reporter John Limley help me out. This girl 30 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: shows up. Her skin is so pale, she looks like 31 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: a ghost. And she's got this long brown hair parted 32 00:02:13,680 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: usually slightly on the side, big glasses, and the hair 33 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 1: hangs down like curtains over her face. You can barely 34 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:23,800 Speaker 1: see the eyes, you know, the hair so close down 35 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 1: right there. I can't see her face. That makes me suspicious. 36 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: But who would buy into my dad is a Russian billionaire? 37 00:02:31,919 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: Give me your money? Oops, I forgot my credit card. 38 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: What happened? Let's just start at the beginning, Well, Nancy, 39 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: apparently a lot of people were just just hungry to 40 00:02:42,280 --> 00:02:46,120 Speaker 1: buy into this story. If New York City is a 41 00:02:46,240 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 1: city of dreams, which we hear it called all the time, 42 00:02:49,600 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: Anna had enough for the entire island. She had longed 43 00:02:54,040 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: to be a member of the upper echelon of Manhattansis 44 00:02:57,040 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: and understand something, John Limley, Crime Online investigation reporter, did 45 00:03:00,919 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: you just call her giant fraud? Ripping people off tens 46 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:07,600 Speaker 1: of thousands of dollars, including one woman that took the 47 00:03:07,639 --> 00:03:12,480 Speaker 1: stand a working class person who goes on an all 48 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:16,560 Speaker 1: expense pay trip with her to Morocco and then she 49 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,640 Speaker 1: gets stiffed with a sixty five thousand dollar bill. Wait 50 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: are you calling that a dream? How go? Wait? Wait? 51 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 1: How dare you dream? Is another person's not? You find 52 00:03:27,400 --> 00:03:33,120 Speaker 1: yourself with cliches. Don't the American dream my rear end? 53 00:03:33,320 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: Jeff Corteze, I call it something a lot different than 54 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: the American dream. Oh absolutely, I mean this was a 55 00:03:41,280 --> 00:03:45,080 Speaker 1: at least on the front end, a well executed fraud. 56 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,080 Speaker 1: Over the long term, it didn't. It didn't have the 57 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:51,120 Speaker 1: legs to remain sustainable that a long term. I mean 58 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: she managed to pull it off. Wendy Patrick, for you 59 00:03:53,480 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: know what, two years? I forgot how long she managed 60 00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: to pull the wool over everybody's eyes, going on trips 61 00:03:58,760 --> 00:04:02,680 Speaker 1: to Morocco, staying at oh I think it's eleven Howard, 62 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: some ritzy. I don't even know how you find that 63 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,320 Speaker 1: hotel in New York. It's one of those places I 64 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 1: don't think is even marked. Only rich people go there. 65 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick. Is what happened to John Limley, the Voice 66 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:19,440 Speaker 1: of Reason. He just called us the American Dream? What well? 67 00:04:19,480 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 1: I think, I think John Linley, what he was talking 68 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:25,240 Speaker 1: about is there are there are some misguided, vulnerable people 69 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: that really are subjected to social predators like Anna, and 70 00:04:29,720 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 1: you know, some people just are absolutely you guys mentioned 71 00:04:32,600 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: the glamour, the glitz. It's like they want to believe 72 00:04:35,680 --> 00:04:38,400 Speaker 1: and this fake it till you make it lifestyle. You know, 73 00:04:38,480 --> 00:04:41,719 Speaker 1: nobody even took the time to say, show me the money, 74 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,600 Speaker 1: show me the fund, show me the corroboration behind your 75 00:04:44,600 --> 00:04:47,719 Speaker 1: wild stories, because caught up in the moment in an 76 00:04:47,800 --> 00:04:52,000 Speaker 1: instagram savvy society, people want to be in the company 77 00:04:52,040 --> 00:04:54,919 Speaker 1: of people like Anna, and sadly, as a prosecutor, I 78 00:04:54,960 --> 00:04:59,119 Speaker 1: am just we are just absolutely just terrified of people 79 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: like this that are able to so easily infiltrate our 80 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,240 Speaker 1: social network. Being to doctor Williams July, psychologist, author of 81 00:05:05,240 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 1: a Dark and he did a quit her off, which 82 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 1: I was shocked about, because this girl actually took the 83 00:05:09,600 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: stand grand larceny for allegedly stealing sixty two thousand dollars 84 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,280 Speaker 1: from a friend that she said, come along, I'll pay 85 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,480 Speaker 1: for everything on a trip to Morocco. Okay, I think 86 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,960 Speaker 1: they actually punished the friend because when you go on 87 00:05:26,279 --> 00:05:29,599 Speaker 1: a luxurious trip to Morocco, you stay in a five 88 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 1: star hotel. They went to spot treatments that were costing 89 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:37,280 Speaker 1: like three hundred dollars a treatment. You know what, I 90 00:05:37,440 --> 00:05:40,480 Speaker 1: take Lucy to let her get her nails done, and 91 00:05:40,520 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: I say, oh no, no, Mommy doesn't want to get 92 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:47,719 Speaker 1: her nails done. I am not paying anybody fifty dollars 93 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 1: to cut my nails. I can do that. I'm okay 94 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:55,479 Speaker 1: with that. Okay. They were spending three hundred dollars for 95 00:05:55,680 --> 00:05:59,560 Speaker 1: a forty minute treatment, whatever that treatment may be, by 96 00:05:59,640 --> 00:06:04,200 Speaker 1: laying in mud, getting their nails whatever. Three hundred I 97 00:06:04,200 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: think they the jury punished that friend for going along 98 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:13,159 Speaker 1: with the excess, doctor July, Yeah, I mean at worse, Nancy, 99 00:06:13,240 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: what you're looking at in cases like this, at worse 100 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 1: is a psychopathological level of narcissism at best. What you're 101 00:06:19,800 --> 00:06:22,200 Speaker 1: looking at as a person who has so much greed 102 00:06:22,360 --> 00:06:26,160 Speaker 1: and desire to please herself that she doesn't care what 103 00:06:26,200 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: the consequences are for other people. You were asking earlier, 104 00:06:30,120 --> 00:06:31,599 Speaker 1: and I just want to address what you were asking 105 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:35,719 Speaker 1: earlier about why and how can this sort of thing happen. 106 00:06:36,040 --> 00:06:38,679 Speaker 1: We're all baffled when we see this, But it's age old. 107 00:06:38,760 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: It's it's a tale as old as time. The Charlotte 108 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 1: than comes in and fools everyone. So there's a part 109 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: of people that are looking at this who want to 110 00:06:48,320 --> 00:06:50,359 Speaker 1: believe this because they want to hang out with the 111 00:06:50,440 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 1: person who has this kind of social these types of 112 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,279 Speaker 1: social credentials, and they want to believe that she's an 113 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,280 Speaker 1: heiress so that they can be with. And people are 114 00:07:01,279 --> 00:07:04,000 Speaker 1: blaming social media. It's not the fault of social media. 115 00:07:04,320 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 1: Social media is just a facilitator to the neediness of 116 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 1: other people who want to believe in accept Why are 117 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: you piling on everybody on the panel except Cortez thank goodness. 118 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: As keeps talking about the Instagram and society. You know what, 119 00:07:19,480 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: Instagram didn't have a dang thing to do with this. 120 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 1: It was all miss thing Anna Sarokan slash Anna w npsps. 121 00:07:27,120 --> 00:07:29,560 Speaker 1: I just found out her parents have disowned her. They 122 00:07:29,560 --> 00:07:33,280 Speaker 1: are hard working middle class people that she borrowed a 123 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:36,040 Speaker 1: ton of money borrowed, i e. Stole a ton of 124 00:07:36,080 --> 00:07:39,400 Speaker 1: money from them as well. Hey, but she didn't just 125 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 1: create a different identity. Her real name is not annas 126 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 1: to a Russian billionaire, an oil tycoon, or a solar 127 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:51,320 Speaker 1: energy magnate. Her parents, I think the dad drives a truck, 128 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:55,200 Speaker 1: and I know it. That's like my dad, as you know, 129 00:07:55,280 --> 00:07:59,280 Speaker 1: worked on the railroad. My mom started as a bank teller. 130 00:07:59,440 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 1: My grandfather father drove an ice truck and a school bus, 131 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:06,280 Speaker 1: anything to put the food on the table. But she 132 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: not only assumed different and identity for herself, but she 133 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:15,040 Speaker 1: also created a whole team of imaginary assistance, an assistant, 134 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:18,960 Speaker 1: an accountant, a manager. Limley, is this true? All of 135 00:08:18,960 --> 00:08:23,800 Speaker 1: her imaginary assistance well, and some were not so imaginary. 136 00:08:24,320 --> 00:08:29,080 Speaker 1: She even had the concierge at a hotel essentially on 137 00:08:29,160 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: her staff. At her beck and call. She was able 138 00:08:32,160 --> 00:08:36,480 Speaker 1: to convince people of not only her wealth, but all 139 00:08:36,520 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 1: of her aspirations, her dreams. She really wanted to build 140 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:45,719 Speaker 1: this members only arts club on Park Avenue South and 141 00:08:45,840 --> 00:08:48,080 Speaker 1: was even working to get the financing for it, and 142 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:51,600 Speaker 1: was not too far this John Limley. She lied to 143 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:55,600 Speaker 1: a bank using phony records. She was not working to 144 00:08:55,720 --> 00:08:59,600 Speaker 1: get funding. She was lying through her fate Russian teeth 145 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 1: crime stories with Nancy Grace. Anna, who interned at a 146 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:22,680 Speaker 1: trendy French magazine, reportedly managed to scam extended stays in 147 00:09:22,800 --> 00:09:27,559 Speaker 1: swanky Manhattan hotels, dinner at high end restaurants, and flights 148 00:09:27,600 --> 00:09:31,480 Speaker 1: on chartered jets to finance her lavish lifestyle and keep 149 00:09:31,520 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: the grift going. She allegedly built banks out of thousands 150 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:39,000 Speaker 1: in cash. And that's not all. The fake heiress reportedly 151 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,360 Speaker 1: fleesed her friend out of sixty two thousand dollars for 152 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,800 Speaker 1: a world class trip to Morocco. But Anna went too 153 00:09:45,840 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: far when she attempted to take out a loan for 154 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:52,079 Speaker 1: twenty two million dollars to finance a visual arts center 155 00:09:52,160 --> 00:09:55,920 Speaker 1: she called the Anna Delvi Foundation. In all, Anna reportedly 156 00:09:56,000 --> 00:10:00,120 Speaker 1: scammed a total of two hundred and seventy five thousand dollars, 157 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:02,920 Speaker 1: and his double life began to crumble as hotels went 158 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:06,400 Speaker 1: after her unpaid debts and banks began to investigate her 159 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: alleged assets. Wow, that's Jesse Palmer over at Daily Mail TV. Wow. Okay, 160 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:15,880 Speaker 1: so friends and acquaintances. Say Sirokan spent years playing the 161 00:10:15,920 --> 00:10:19,960 Speaker 1: part of an art obsessed German heiress. Sometimes she'd be Russian, 162 00:10:20,080 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: sometimes she'd be German. She had an accent to go 163 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 1: with it, rubbing shoulders with the fashion lad at Paris 164 00:10:27,320 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 1: Fashion Week, frequently spotted in London night spots. Then those 165 00:10:32,559 --> 00:10:34,679 Speaker 1: who knew her saw her at a party in Berlin. 166 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: She told everybody she had just flown in on a 167 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:42,360 Speaker 1: private jet. How did she pull it off? Scamming nearly 168 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:46,160 Speaker 1: three hundred thousand dollars. It was only when these ritzy 169 00:10:46,200 --> 00:10:49,319 Speaker 1: hotels in New York went after her to pay her 170 00:10:49,320 --> 00:10:53,800 Speaker 1: bills that the whole thing fell apart. But what really 171 00:10:53,840 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 1: amazed me. You know, I don't know if you do 172 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 1: this or not. Wendy Patrick, California prosecutor, author of Red 173 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:05,679 Speaker 1: Fly on Amazon. Wendy, under the constitution, you can't force 174 00:11:05,880 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: a defendant into court in handcuffs or leg irons or 175 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 1: waist shackle. You can't force them to come in in 176 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:19,640 Speaker 1: inmate jumpsuit, prison blues or orange or stripes, whatever the 177 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:23,760 Speaker 1: case may be. But I would always keep a jacket 178 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:26,400 Speaker 1: and pants and a couple of different sizes in my office. 179 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,240 Speaker 1: So when a defendant would show up on Monday morning 180 00:11:29,240 --> 00:11:31,280 Speaker 1: trial calendar and say, oh, yeah, I want to go 181 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,840 Speaker 1: to trial, but I don't have a suit, I go, oh, 182 00:11:33,880 --> 00:11:36,400 Speaker 1: I do have a suit for you, and they, of 183 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:39,240 Speaker 1: course I never had it clean ever in the ten 184 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:41,720 Speaker 1: years that I prosecuted, so they would just have to 185 00:11:41,760 --> 00:11:45,440 Speaker 1: wear the suit. But she was more concerned about what 186 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,680 Speaker 1: she wore to court every day. She had She actually 187 00:11:48,720 --> 00:11:54,680 Speaker 1: had a personal dresser dialist dressing her for court. Wendy. Yeah, 188 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 1: you know, Nancy, what you're describing really is something hopefully 189 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:01,320 Speaker 1: the judge will take into considering it sentencing, because it's 190 00:12:01,360 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 1: this entire mentality of I don't want to say just 191 00:12:04,480 --> 00:12:06,360 Speaker 1: not getting it. That would be too kind. It's a 192 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:10,440 Speaker 1: complete underappreciation, or I should say non appreciation for the 193 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: fact that the rest of us work for a living. 194 00:12:12,640 --> 00:12:15,040 Speaker 1: Her family works for a living. There is so much 195 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,959 Speaker 1: more to life than clothes and appearance as an image. 196 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:20,120 Speaker 1: You know, one of the things that distinguishes this case 197 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: is the fact that this over emphasis on image, on money, 198 00:12:23,800 --> 00:12:27,319 Speaker 1: on glamour sounds like it absolutely overrode every ounce of 199 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:30,680 Speaker 1: judgment that she had and to take that into the courtroom, 200 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, Nancy is probably a little bit beyond 201 00:12:33,480 --> 00:12:35,560 Speaker 1: the pale. Well, listen to our friends and inside edition. 202 00:12:35,600 --> 00:12:37,960 Speaker 1: This is Diane McInerney. This woman may look like she 203 00:12:38,000 --> 00:12:40,280 Speaker 1: has dressed for a fascist show, and in her designer does, 204 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:42,480 Speaker 1: but they want to be socialite. Is actually on trial 205 00:12:42,520 --> 00:12:45,760 Speaker 1: for swindling hundreds of thousands of dollars from unsuspecting people. 206 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,400 Speaker 1: She was so concerned about how she looked in court 207 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:51,840 Speaker 1: she actually hired a stylist. Is she in a courtroom 208 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:55,079 Speaker 1: or at a red carpet event? Anasaur Kid is accused 209 00:12:55,080 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 1: of posing as an heiress to live an extravagant lifestyle, 210 00:12:58,320 --> 00:13:01,560 Speaker 1: But it's what she's wearing to trial that is making headlines. 211 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: The twenty seven year old defendant showed up wearing a 212 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: form fitting black dress with a plunging neckline and choker necklace. 213 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:11,640 Speaker 1: It's a look that could backfire. Warren stylist Don Karen 214 00:13:11,920 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 1: black dress definitely a no no no. A hyper sexualize her. 215 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: It makes her appear to be like a seductress. The 216 00:13:18,800 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 1: choker kind of shows to me that she's trying to 217 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:25,959 Speaker 1: be overtly sexy. The more sexy she appears to be, 218 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 1: it hurts her skin. Is so obsessed with her clothes. 219 00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:32,320 Speaker 1: She refused to enter the courtroom because the outfit she 220 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 1: was given to wear was not up to her standards. 221 00:13:35,400 --> 00:13:38,880 Speaker 1: The angry judge told her this is unacceptable and inappropriate. 222 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 1: This is not a fashion show. Sorkin's lawyer, Todd Spodek 223 00:13:42,679 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: says accounts of his client delaying the trial because of 224 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:49,000 Speaker 1: fashion are being blown out of proportion. It's not that 225 00:13:49,040 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: she didn't want to come out only because of the clothes. 226 00:13:51,960 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: She's going through a major criminal trial that's publicized every day. 227 00:13:56,000 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: It's emotional and it's her life. Don't cry too much 228 00:13:58,960 --> 00:14:03,120 Speaker 1: for Anna, because apparently there's a bidding war going on 229 00:14:03,240 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: for her story. I guess it's going to end up 230 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 1: on Netflix or HBO or maybe even on the big screen. 231 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 1: She'll make a mint out of that. I'm Nancy Grace. 232 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: This is crime stories. Everybody, thank you for being with us. 233 00:14:15,760 --> 00:14:19,080 Speaker 1: She was living a life that many people, not me, 234 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: but many people dream of. She made a show of 235 00:14:23,760 --> 00:14:28,120 Speaker 1: proving she belonged with the rich and famous, decked out 236 00:14:28,160 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: in signature Selene glasses, Gucci sandals, high end boas from 237 00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:38,680 Speaker 1: nat to Porte at Last Walker, she usually hold up 238 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:42,040 Speaker 1: in a four hundred dollars a night room for months 239 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:49,600 Speaker 1: on in at Manhattan's very very luxurious eleven Howard Hotel. 240 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:56,280 Speaker 1: Concierge at the hotel said they became friends when she 241 00:14:56,320 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 1: would repeatedly routinely pass out Chris one hundred dollars tips 242 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:06,160 Speaker 1: to both of them and Uber drivers. When I hear 243 00:15:06,200 --> 00:15:09,720 Speaker 1: the words crisp one hundred dollars, how many hundred dollars 244 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:11,640 Speaker 1: bills do you have, Jackie? I don't think I have any. 245 00:15:11,800 --> 00:15:13,960 Speaker 1: I think John David has one, and it's hidden in 246 00:15:14,040 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: his bathroom under his brush. I happen to know where 247 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: it is. One that I know of that I think 248 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:25,440 Speaker 1: my mother gave him. So Jeff Cortez, former FBI special Agent. 249 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: When I hear the word crisp one hundred dollar bills, 250 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: that means you just got him out of an ATM 251 00:15:29,920 --> 00:15:33,720 Speaker 1: or from the bank. So how did she manage to 252 00:15:34,000 --> 00:15:38,280 Speaker 1: defraud the bank to get cash, to tip concierge to 253 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:41,280 Speaker 1: fake for her. Yeah, that's a great question, you know. 254 00:15:41,360 --> 00:15:45,880 Speaker 1: I think it's a numbers game in many respects. There 255 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:51,000 Speaker 1: were multiple banks engaged in her activity. She appears, based 256 00:15:51,000 --> 00:15:54,280 Speaker 1: on the information, limited her trips back to the same well, 257 00:15:54,840 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: though she would go back to the same bank on 258 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:03,640 Speaker 1: occasion for certain certain banking activity. She did share the 259 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 1: wealth amongst the banks within New York so as not 260 00:16:06,080 --> 00:16:09,880 Speaker 1: to draw too much attention over an extended period of time. Well, 261 00:16:09,880 --> 00:16:11,960 Speaker 1: what I understand that she did, and I'm going to 262 00:16:12,000 --> 00:16:15,200 Speaker 1: have to get clarity on this, is that she would 263 00:16:15,280 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: provide fake bank records to one bank and then they 264 00:16:20,160 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: would She was trying to get a massive loan for 265 00:16:23,120 --> 00:16:27,240 Speaker 1: twenty two million, so they wanted a down payment, So 266 00:16:27,280 --> 00:16:30,440 Speaker 1: she faked records and got I don't know, fifty two 267 00:16:30,440 --> 00:16:33,800 Speaker 1: one hundred grand from one bank and used that money 268 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 1: to get a loan as a down payment on a loan, 269 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:39,080 Speaker 1: a bigger loan at another bank, none of the banks 270 00:16:39,160 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 1: realizing what the others were doing. Another thing that really 271 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:44,720 Speaker 1: fascinates me, doctor Williams. July, and not in a good way. 272 00:16:44,760 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: It's like looking at a tarantula under a glass box. Okay, 273 00:16:48,560 --> 00:16:53,800 Speaker 1: that sort of fascination is the way she carried on 274 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 1: this big, huge imaginary life. She would splash out on 275 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:04,159 Speaker 1: shopping spreeze at boutiques, very expensive personal training sessions and 276 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,879 Speaker 1: beautician appointments, and she would always bring along a friend 277 00:17:07,240 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 1: and pay for them and they would be all impressed. 278 00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:15,600 Speaker 1: The social elite as they call themselves, would go to 279 00:17:15,920 --> 00:17:22,120 Speaker 1: lavish and large dinners for celebs, artist CEOs. I'm all 280 00:17:22,160 --> 00:17:25,240 Speaker 1: in restaurants there in Soho And if you do look 281 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,439 Speaker 1: at her online, she's always drinking a big glass of 282 00:17:28,480 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: wine at some beautiful location. How can an adult have 283 00:17:33,760 --> 00:17:36,000 Speaker 1: that type of an imaginary life? I mean, I know 284 00:17:36,080 --> 00:17:39,080 Speaker 1: when children have an imaginary friend, there's all sorts of 285 00:17:39,320 --> 00:17:42,880 Speaker 1: psychological reasons for that, maybe just security, But an adult, 286 00:17:43,080 --> 00:17:47,040 Speaker 1: certainly people can have these types of imaginary lives and 287 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:50,800 Speaker 1: they're going to recruit other people just because of the 288 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: chronological age does not make a person have the maturation 289 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:56,960 Speaker 1: that they should have. And then that can be from 290 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,919 Speaker 1: a lot of different things, but certainly, as much as 291 00:18:00,960 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: she can get other people to buy into this, then 292 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:05,800 Speaker 1: that's because she's going to continue and she's going to 293 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 1: expand that imaginary life, and people can be very charming, 294 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: They can be very off putting. Excuse me, they can 295 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,480 Speaker 1: be very charming, and they can be very persuasive, and 296 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:17,439 Speaker 1: they can get other people to buy in. There are 297 00:18:17,440 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 1: people that can go into banks and they can fake 298 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: a story, and they can get people to believe that 299 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,160 Speaker 1: it happens every day. And this is a person who 300 00:18:24,200 --> 00:18:27,600 Speaker 1: can do that. And the imaginary fast parts of this. 301 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:29,720 Speaker 1: I mean, I wouldn't. I haven't examined her, so I 302 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:31,520 Speaker 1: can't go so far as to say she's delusional or 303 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: anything like that, but clearly she has the ability, maybe 304 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: a pathological type of charm. Some people can do that. 305 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:43,320 Speaker 1: And also you have to remember other people are buying 306 00:18:43,320 --> 00:18:46,680 Speaker 1: into this because the banks aren't changing credentials properly, friends 307 00:18:46,720 --> 00:18:48,680 Speaker 1: aren't following enough to see if she knows other people 308 00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,120 Speaker 1: in the circle. So it's it's even more. It's even 309 00:18:51,200 --> 00:19:07,160 Speaker 1: larger than just about her prime stories with Nancy Grace. 310 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: The trial has begun in the case of the woman 311 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 1: who led people to believe she was a German heiress 312 00:19:17,320 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: named Anna Delvi. Twenty eight year old Anna Sorkin is 313 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:23,680 Speaker 1: set to stand trial Wednesday on charges of grand larceny 314 00:19:23,680 --> 00:19:26,919 Speaker 1: and theft of services after allegedly swindling two hundred and 315 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:29,639 Speaker 1: seventy five thousand dollars over the course of ten months, 316 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:33,160 Speaker 1: according to the Manhattan District Attorney's Office. Sarokin is also 317 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:35,520 Speaker 1: accused of living in New York City hotel rooms she 318 00:19:35,560 --> 00:19:38,360 Speaker 1: could not pay for, attempting to secure a twenty two 319 00:19:38,400 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: million dollar loan to build a private arts club using 320 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:45,399 Speaker 1: false bank statements purporting that she had millions of dollars overseas, 321 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:47,360 Speaker 1: as well as leaving a friend with a sixty two 322 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,120 Speaker 1: thousand dollars bill for a trip to Morocco she allegedly 323 00:19:50,160 --> 00:19:53,680 Speaker 1: promised to pay for. Prosecutor Catherine McCaw says the defendant 324 00:19:53,720 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: has not a sent to her name as far as 325 00:19:56,040 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: we can determine, also noting that Sarokin is Russian born, 326 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:01,880 Speaker 1: not German, and though she could be deported to Germany 327 00:20:01,920 --> 00:20:04,359 Speaker 1: no matter how the trial turns out, as she's reportedly 328 00:20:04,400 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 1: overstayed her visa under the name Anna Delvi, she arrived 329 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: in New York with a high priced wardrobe and was 330 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:13,119 Speaker 1: known for handing out one hundred dollars cash tips, reportedly 331 00:20:13,160 --> 00:20:16,000 Speaker 1: saying at different points that her father was a diplomat, 332 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: an oil baron, or involved in the solar panel business, 333 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,199 Speaker 1: none of which are the case. People who knew her 334 00:20:21,240 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: said she often asked others to use their credit cards 335 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 1: to cover cab and plane fares and then failing to 336 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: repay them. Our friend Michael Cissack at time at Magazine Online, Yeah, 337 00:20:30,480 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: there was one story that came out at trial how 338 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:37,719 Speaker 1: she hired a PR firm to organize her birthday party 339 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:42,679 Speaker 1: in Soho. It emerged she never paid the bill. During 340 00:20:42,840 --> 00:20:47,119 Speaker 1: her stay at eleven Howard, she struck up a friend 341 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:51,440 Speaker 1: there in addition to the concierge is to and ask 342 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 1: for the recommendations for the very very very best food 343 00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:59,879 Speaker 1: in Soho. We also learned that on one occasion she 344 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 1: invited friends to dinner at Soho St and Bro and 345 00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:09,520 Speaker 1: the friend ended up paying a whopper massive bill when 346 00:21:09,640 --> 00:21:16,639 Speaker 1: Sarokan's twelve credit cards were all declined, but Sarakan paid 347 00:21:16,680 --> 00:21:21,480 Speaker 1: her back triple the amount the following day in cash. 348 00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:27,200 Speaker 1: We also learned that she would go to unique treatments 349 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:31,840 Speaker 1: like infrared saunas in the East Village, go out to 350 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: dinner after celebrity training sessions with Casey Duke which Sarakan 351 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:43,280 Speaker 1: also paid for John Lemley. How did she get money 352 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,200 Speaker 1: from one bank to get a loan from another bank? 353 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:50,880 Speaker 1: How did that works? It's a very interesting line to follow. 354 00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:55,000 Speaker 1: How she did this. She would go to a bank 355 00:21:55,680 --> 00:21:59,840 Speaker 1: and ask for a certain line of credit based on 356 00:22:00,000 --> 00:22:03,680 Speaker 1: one a lot of times just a promise of the 357 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,840 Speaker 1: fact that she had millions overseas that she could repay 358 00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 1: the loan, and she would go from one bank with 359 00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: that money to another bank and get an even larger 360 00:22:18,640 --> 00:22:22,040 Speaker 1: In fact, here's an example. She talked to a to 361 00:22:22,160 --> 00:22:26,280 Speaker 1: an executive with City National Bank into giving her a 362 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,680 Speaker 1: line of credit on her account for one hundred thousand dollars, 363 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 1: promising to repay it with a wire transfer from a 364 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 1: European account. She'd used that money in a failed attempt 365 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: to secure a twenty five million dollar loan from Fortress 366 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:47,919 Speaker 1: Investment Group, and one of the managing directors at Fortress 367 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:52,119 Speaker 1: has said that she ran into problems providing details about 368 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,840 Speaker 1: the origin of her wealth. Someone actually thought to ask 369 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,840 Speaker 1: about that. You know, her lies became more and more spectacular. 370 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 1: Wendy Patrick, California Prosecutor. In fact, she even managed to 371 00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: charter a private plane on one occasion with absolutely zero money. Wendy, 372 00:23:08,920 --> 00:23:11,679 Speaker 1: how do you do that? Yeah? The level of sophistication Nancy, 373 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 1: as John was explaining and as we know now looking back, 374 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: was absolutely stunning. It was almost as if she was 375 00:23:18,440 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: daring authorities to catch her in this escalating scheme of sophistication. 376 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:24,880 Speaker 1: And you know, the answer to how you do that 377 00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,439 Speaker 1: is the same way we commit we see people committing 378 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: other crimes. Is sometimes people are so trusting because image matters. 379 00:23:32,040 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: You know, This is something I talk about in my book. 380 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:37,360 Speaker 1: We tend to attribute all these positive qualities to somebody 381 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,720 Speaker 1: who comes across as believable, whether they're pretty, or that 382 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,000 Speaker 1: we like what they say, or were enamored with their 383 00:23:43,040 --> 00:23:45,480 Speaker 1: acts and or their clothes. All the types of things 384 00:23:45,480 --> 00:23:48,359 Speaker 1: that Anna used to get ahead can fool other people 385 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,560 Speaker 1: into letting them acquire the kind of wealth and as 386 00:23:51,600 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: you point out, tangible benefits that this young lady did. 387 00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: It's amazing to me that Hollywood is scrambling right now 388 00:23:57,040 --> 00:23:59,360 Speaker 1: to try to get the rights to her story. This 389 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: is her disowner and say she borrowed money from them. 390 00:24:02,880 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: Two school friends back in Russia and Germany reveal she 391 00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:11,680 Speaker 1: was nicknamed Barbie and her favorite movie was Mean Girls. 392 00:24:11,840 --> 00:24:16,280 Speaker 1: Talk about Red Flags, John Leman, tell me about the 393 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:19,199 Speaker 1: lux treatment she got in Morocco where she ended up 394 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: stiffing her friend with the bill. Well, when they went 395 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:27,840 Speaker 1: to Marrakesh, she went with a friend and she had 396 00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 1: offered to pay for everything. Now her friend actually offered 397 00:24:32,400 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 1: to help pay, but she said, no, no, no, you 398 00:24:35,520 --> 00:24:38,840 Speaker 1: work hard for your money, harder for your money than 399 00:24:38,920 --> 00:24:42,119 Speaker 1: I do. This is my treat. And they would go 400 00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:46,960 Speaker 1: out for a round of drinks and oops, she forgot 401 00:24:47,000 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: her credit cards. So she would ask, you know, very quietly, 402 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,520 Speaker 1: if the friend could, you know, just cover this one check. 403 00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 1: And that would happen over and over and over again. 404 00:24:56,960 --> 00:25:01,119 Speaker 1: And this friend, in the end ended up covering the 405 00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: sixty two thousand dollars cost of the flights, dining, shopping, 406 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,040 Speaker 1: and the stay at a hotel where they had a 407 00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,200 Speaker 1: private villa with a courtyard, a pool, and a butler, 408 00:25:13,160 --> 00:25:16,760 Speaker 1: all the extravagance that you might say was fit for, 409 00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:23,120 Speaker 1: say a Kardashian, a sixty two thousand dollar vacation that 410 00:25:23,240 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 1: is more than most people make an entire year. While 411 00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: in Marrakesh, Morocco, Sorokan aka Delvy took part in all 412 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 1: the activities the hotel had to offer. For instance, they 413 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:43,800 Speaker 1: took private tennis lessons. They ate breakfast pool side. A 414 00:25:43,800 --> 00:25:48,919 Speaker 1: butler would deliver them fresh watermelons and bottles of rose. 415 00:25:50,119 --> 00:25:57,639 Speaker 1: They roamed the gardens, relaxed, swam and the villa's private pool, 416 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:03,000 Speaker 1: took a tour of the wine cellar, ate dinner with 417 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:07,960 Speaker 1: live Moroccan music, before capping off their nights with cocktails 418 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:12,359 Speaker 1: at the Churchill Bar. I mean, this is a trip 419 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:17,160 Speaker 1: that most people only dream of, you know, Wendy Patrick. 420 00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:20,720 Speaker 1: Don't laugh. But a couple of weekends ago, we really 421 00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: lived it up. I took the children camping, we went fishing. 422 00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:28,920 Speaker 1: We built fires with our own hands, of course, and 423 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,359 Speaker 1: I did not use light or fluid this time after 424 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:37,920 Speaker 1: my disastrous RV trip. Okay from twigs that we picked 425 00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,879 Speaker 1: up and gathered wood and built fires. Yes, I can 426 00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,080 Speaker 1: build a fire two nights in a row. And had 427 00:26:45,119 --> 00:26:49,640 Speaker 1: hot dogs. I don't mean gourmet hot dogs. I mean 428 00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: the pink kind that you're not really sure what they are. 429 00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,520 Speaker 1: They're long and skinny and slimy at the grocery store. 430 00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:01,080 Speaker 1: And then we made some moores. And can I tell 431 00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:05,200 Speaker 1: you it was one of the happiest weekends of my 432 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:09,080 Speaker 1: whole life. The twins are still talking about it, and 433 00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 1: then I'm looking at this girl and I feel blessed 434 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: of gotten to do that. Believe me, I'm not complaining. 435 00:27:15,080 --> 00:27:18,760 Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm counting my blessings. But i mean, really 436 00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:24,199 Speaker 1: fresh watermelon and rose poolside in Marrakesh, and it's all 437 00:27:24,240 --> 00:27:27,639 Speaker 1: a big money grab. I mean, my stomach is just 438 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,240 Speaker 1: hurting because I'm thinking about my dad, who would go 439 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:32,399 Speaker 1: to work on the railroad when even when he had 440 00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:34,800 Speaker 1: chest pains, and when I would wake up in the 441 00:27:34,880 --> 00:27:38,840 Speaker 1: morning at seven o'clock, my mom was already gone to 442 00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: work at a canning company, and there would be three 443 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:47,960 Speaker 1: bowls of grits and three little cups of coffee half milk, 444 00:27:47,960 --> 00:27:51,920 Speaker 1: half coffee sitting there for us because she'd be long 445 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:55,679 Speaker 1: gone to work. And now here's miss thing having a 446 00:27:55,800 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: nearly seventy thousand dollars vacation built on crime. Yeah, you know, Nancy, 447 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:04,919 Speaker 1: one of the things your camping story illustrates is that 448 00:28:05,000 --> 00:28:09,040 Speaker 1: the best things in life are free, and everybody knows that. 449 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,840 Speaker 1: So when you look at a story like this, part 450 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:14,119 Speaker 1: of I think the offense that everyone is taking is 451 00:28:14,160 --> 00:28:17,800 Speaker 1: to use crime and criminal activity to build a fake 452 00:28:17,880 --> 00:28:20,880 Speaker 1: world where people pay the kind of money that most 453 00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: of us would never do even if we had it. 454 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,280 Speaker 1: When you talk about the value of hard work the 455 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,119 Speaker 1: way we were all raised, it sounds like those she 456 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,480 Speaker 1: surrounded herself were really taken with the fact that someone 457 00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,639 Speaker 1: they believed was as rich and famous as she was 458 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 1: would be interested in them. That is a basic human need. Ironically, 459 00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:41,360 Speaker 1: that was being satisfied through crime and through, as you 460 00:28:41,440 --> 00:28:46,000 Speaker 1: pointed out earlier, having this imaginary friend that's larger than life. 461 00:28:46,000 --> 00:29:01,200 Speaker 1: That's how she built this criminal umpire crime stories with 462 00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:07,480 Speaker 1: Nancy Grace her true history. I'm talking about Anna Sirokan 463 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: aka Anna Delvi. You know, I don't know about you, 464 00:29:11,360 --> 00:29:15,239 Speaker 1: Jeff Cortez, a FBI special agent, but I loved it 465 00:29:15,520 --> 00:29:18,400 Speaker 1: when I would. Of course, the prosecutor gets in front 466 00:29:18,400 --> 00:29:21,600 Speaker 1: of an entire jury panel and reads the indictment before 467 00:29:21,640 --> 00:29:25,959 Speaker 1: you begin jury selection, so everybody knows who's charged with 468 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: what and what all the counts are. And I would 469 00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:34,719 Speaker 1: love it to say State versus Jeff Cortize aka Charlie 470 00:29:34,840 --> 00:29:41,240 Speaker 1: Tuna aka the Hammer aka Blah blah blah, and so 471 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: forth and so on. I would love reading out ten 472 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,720 Speaker 1: or twelve aliases, and by the time you're done reading that, 473 00:29:47,840 --> 00:29:49,720 Speaker 1: the jury just looks at the person because you're so 474 00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:54,000 Speaker 1: You're you're guilty. You're guilty. Why are you? Why do 475 00:29:54,040 --> 00:29:57,680 Speaker 1: you have twelve aliases? And this girl, I'm telling you, 476 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 1: not only had eliases, but she had fake assistance. She 477 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,280 Speaker 1: lied about her mom and dad who they really are. 478 00:30:06,720 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: The reality is that her father was a truck driver 479 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:17,440 Speaker 1: and he went on to work at or start a 480 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:23,080 Speaker 1: heating and air conditioned business. The friends in school called 481 00:30:23,120 --> 00:30:27,160 Speaker 1: her Barbie and her favorite movie was Mean Girls. And 482 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,240 Speaker 1: I don't think that's any of that is good. Okay, 483 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:36,280 Speaker 1: that means nothing good, Jeff Cartize, no hit on the head. 484 00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:42,080 Speaker 1: You know, the minute individuals start layering themselves with aliases 485 00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,840 Speaker 1: and aka's, you know, they're they're putting up walls and 486 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 1: barriers that that any jury is going to be able 487 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:51,120 Speaker 1: to see through. You know, she really executed a well 488 00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:56,120 Speaker 1: thought out plan against the banks, using multiple techniques and 489 00:30:56,240 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 1: methods to siphon money from them. Uh, you know, from 490 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,640 Speaker 1: from top to bottom. She exploited what people want to 491 00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:08,800 Speaker 1: see and exploited the type of lifestyle that people want 492 00:31:08,840 --> 00:31:10,480 Speaker 1: to have to the extent that, you know, if I 493 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: was going to run an undercover I would I would 494 00:31:12,240 --> 00:31:15,000 Speaker 1: have done many of the techniques that that she did 495 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:19,040 Speaker 1: in order to manipulate my audience. Well, another aspect to this, 496 00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:22,640 Speaker 1: John Lumley, is I remember one day when John David 497 00:31:22,760 --> 00:31:27,280 Speaker 1: came running home and so and So's mom is so cool. 498 00:31:28,080 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 1: She works for Chick fil A and she gets free 499 00:31:32,520 --> 00:31:35,120 Speaker 1: T shirts and she gets this, and she gets that. 500 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: I think the lady who's very lovely was in marketing 501 00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,560 Speaker 1: or pr and would bring home, you know, like a 502 00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:47,000 Speaker 1: T shirt or a moocau or whatever they had. And 503 00:31:47,200 --> 00:31:51,880 Speaker 1: I thought briefly of creating a different persona to try 504 00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:57,800 Speaker 1: to impress John David's friends, who were then four years old. Okay, 505 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,640 Speaker 1: but I just decided, no, I'm just gonna with the truth, 506 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:02,960 Speaker 1: you know, let the chips fall where they may. But 507 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:07,240 Speaker 1: John Lemley, I mean, that would hurt me if I 508 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: found out the twins were lying about their mom and dad, 509 00:32:12,720 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: that what we are isn't good enough to fit in 510 00:32:17,760 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: to their self image they're projecting, that would really hurt 511 00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:24,200 Speaker 1: my feelers. And that's exactly the way her parents felt 512 00:32:24,240 --> 00:32:28,160 Speaker 1: about the whole thing. They actually did help fund her 513 00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: through college and as she was getting out on her own, 514 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,800 Speaker 1: but there was never any sort of trust fund. She 515 00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,280 Speaker 1: moved to Germany in two thousand and seven, and after 516 00:32:40,480 --> 00:32:43,720 Speaker 1: she dropped out of college, she interned in public relations 517 00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:47,400 Speaker 1: before then moving to Paris and became an intern at 518 00:32:47,520 --> 00:32:51,240 Speaker 1: Purple Magazine. Once she arrived in New York City, she 519 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,120 Speaker 1: just somehow managed to be in all the sort of 520 00:32:54,280 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: right places. And she was this German heiress, according to her, 521 00:32:59,360 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: with a father that you would think, wait a minute, 522 00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 1: I thought she was supposed to be a Russian heiress. Well, no, 523 00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 1: she was from Russia, but she told people she was 524 00:33:10,840 --> 00:33:14,760 Speaker 1: a German heiress. What's really funny, though, is that her German, 525 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,640 Speaker 1: according to a lot of people, was terrible. M I 526 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: want you to take a listen to what the defense 527 00:33:21,120 --> 00:33:23,960 Speaker 1: claims in closing arguments. She had to fake it until 528 00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,880 Speaker 1: she could make it. Those words from the defendant's own attorney, 529 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,560 Speaker 1: who claims she never intended to commit a crime, but 530 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,480 Speaker 1: prosecutors call her fraud and a liar who would do 531 00:33:32,520 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: almost anything to prolong her life of luxury. This morning, 532 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,440 Speaker 1: the fate of an alleged scam artist is now in 533 00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:45,000 Speaker 1: the hands of a jury, both sides wrapping up arguments 534 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,960 Speaker 1: for a case that's drawn international outrage. The style savvy 535 00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: defendant even turning heads in court wearing an animal print dress. 536 00:33:53,240 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 1: She called herself Anna Delvi, a fashionable globetrotter who prosecutors 537 00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,640 Speaker 1: say was pretending to be a high flying ran heiress 538 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:05,040 Speaker 1: living a fairytale life of glitz and glam among Manhattan's elite. 539 00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:18,080 Speaker 1: That is amor, Prosecutors say, the twenty eight year old, 540 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 1: whose real name is Anna Sorkin, stole two hundred and 541 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:25,560 Speaker 1: seventy five thousand dollars from banks, hotels, and friends, all 542 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,080 Speaker 1: part of an elaborate scheme to keep up her illusion 543 00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: of grander. Prosecutors also alleged Sorkin tried securing a twenty 544 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: two million dollars loan to operate a private club, claims 545 00:34:36,200 --> 00:34:39,080 Speaker 1: her lawyer denies. I do not believe she had the 546 00:34:39,160 --> 00:34:42,680 Speaker 1: intent to ever commit a crime. Whether she owes people money, 547 00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: that's effect of life. That's that's the reality of doing 548 00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 1: business in New York. Now facing charges of grand larceny 549 00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,279 Speaker 1: and theft, she could spend up to fifteen years in 550 00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: prison if convicted, but officials say even if acquitted, she 551 00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 1: will be deported to Germany. Sorkin's attorney says she got 552 00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:01,359 Speaker 1: in over her head but was just buying time until 553 00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 1: she could pay everyone back. You're hearing our buddy Johnson 554 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:08,800 Speaker 1: at GMA, at ABC pay everybody back. I saw no 555 00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 1: signs of paying everybody back and calling this doing business. 556 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 1: That's certainly putting perfume on the pig. Now you know 557 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:19,880 Speaker 1: there's a problem. Wendy Patcheck, California prosecutor and author of 558 00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:24,800 Speaker 1: red Flags. When the defense to theft and fraud is 559 00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: fake it till you make it, okay, I would not 560 00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,560 Speaker 1: say that that's a valid defense and a fraud case 561 00:35:32,080 --> 00:35:35,319 Speaker 1: you're admitting you're faking it. It's probably not a good 562 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,400 Speaker 1: theme for the defense one. I'm sure they're rethinking right 563 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,560 Speaker 1: about now. You don't want to that's kind of playing 564 00:35:41,640 --> 00:35:45,080 Speaker 1: right into the prosecutor's case. Now what they probably were 565 00:35:45,200 --> 00:35:47,360 Speaker 1: trying to do, interestingly in trial and Nancy, you and 566 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,680 Speaker 1: I have both seen this is really kind of painting 567 00:35:49,719 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: this vulnerability picture of the defendant to try to make 568 00:35:52,640 --> 00:35:54,600 Speaker 1: somebody feel sorry for her, that she was caught up 569 00:35:54,640 --> 00:35:57,719 Speaker 1: in this false lifestyle, felt she had to pretend she 570 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,600 Speaker 1: was somebody she wasn't who can't relate to that. There's 571 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 1: a little bit of Anna and all of us, you know, 572 00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:05,440 Speaker 1: some of the themes we saw. What I want to 573 00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:09,000 Speaker 1: isolate what you just said. The defense argued at trial 574 00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:14,439 Speaker 1: as if Anna Sarrokan aka Anna Delphi was some type 575 00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:20,160 Speaker 1: of a renegade and a rebel, someone who was, you know, 576 00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:24,319 Speaker 1: making her own path in the world creatively. B As, 577 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,720 Speaker 1: don't tell me there's a little bit of Anna Sarrokan 578 00:36:26,840 --> 00:36:29,480 Speaker 1: in me, because that was their defense. There's a little 579 00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:33,320 Speaker 1: bit of Anna and all of us. Oh no, because 580 00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:37,399 Speaker 1: she is a fraud, a thief, and she ripped people 581 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:41,160 Speaker 1: off and they're never gonna get repaid. Wendy, right, that's 582 00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,760 Speaker 1: what I'm saying that. Well, that's blably why she was convicted, 583 00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:47,400 Speaker 1: because these defenses are just not realistic to jurors, to 584 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:50,839 Speaker 1: hard working jurors that go on camping trips like you did, 585 00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:54,520 Speaker 1: and Jess cannot relate to the fact that we are 586 00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 1: anything like this picture of Anna. Nonetheless, we have seen 587 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,400 Speaker 1: this defense time and again and thankfully it is not successful. 588 00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,759 Speaker 1: You know. And speaking of mellow camping trip, God willing 589 00:37:05,840 --> 00:37:08,720 Speaker 1: I get to go one another one take a listen 590 00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:12,360 Speaker 1: to this. The courtroom drama played out late into the evening. 591 00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,440 Speaker 1: At one point the jury appeared deadlock, the defense asking 592 00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,759 Speaker 1: for a mistrial, but then the verdict, jurors agreeing with 593 00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:22,400 Speaker 1: the prosecution that Anna Saurakin built her fairytale life on 594 00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 1: a foundation of theft and lies. Overnight, a New York 595 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:31,200 Speaker 1: City jury finding socialite Annasaurkan, a so called SOHO grifter, 596 00:37:31,600 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 1: guilty on eight counts, including grand larceny, attempted grand larceny, 597 00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:40,040 Speaker 1: and theft of services. Prosecutors arguing the twenty eight year 598 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:43,360 Speaker 1: old stole a quarter of a million dollars from banks, hotels, 599 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:47,320 Speaker 1: and friends to fund a lavish lifestyle. The jurors obviously 600 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,120 Speaker 1: believed our point of view and followed our logic and 601 00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,520 Speaker 1: acquitted her for the top charges. I'm sad and that 602 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,399 Speaker 1: she was convicted of some of the other charges. Prosecutors 603 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:58,840 Speaker 1: say the Russian born Sorokin, who called herself Anna Delvi, 604 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:02,400 Speaker 1: was pretending to be a high flying German heiress living 605 00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,080 Speaker 1: a life of glamor among Manhattan's elite. Authorities say she 606 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 1: even forged financial documents hoping to get a twenty two 607 00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:12,320 Speaker 1: million dollar loan to open a private club in the 608 00:38:12,400 --> 00:38:15,560 Speaker 1: Big Apple. While she was turned down, she did convince 609 00:38:15,640 --> 00:38:18,520 Speaker 1: one bank to loan her one hundred thousand dollars, which 610 00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,400 Speaker 1: she never paid back or lawyer saying she meant to 611 00:38:21,719 --> 00:38:24,120 Speaker 1: but had gotten in over her head and was just 612 00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:27,800 Speaker 1: buying time. Well, I guarantee you she's not getting breakfast 613 00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:32,799 Speaker 1: in bad fresh watermelon and rose A Rikers Nancy Grace 614 00:38:32,840 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 1: crime Story signing off Goodbye friend.