Speaker 1: What's that add it's spooky and joky.
Speaker 2: I'm really sure it's dead.
Speaker 1: It's coming, it's a way Wait a minute, I said, nandas.
Speaker 2: Pllease hey boo, it's me Roz. Welcome to Ghosted by
Speaker 2: Roz Hernandez. If you know around here, it's me Roz.
Speaker 2: I like to talk to people that are funny, famous, spooky,
Speaker 2: all kinds of people about all things paranormal. I'm joined
Speaker 2: today by a friend of mine who you may know
Speaker 2: from all kinds of stuff. If you got a TV
Speaker 2: you've seen her Busy Phillips, probably seen her on Cougartown.
Speaker 2: I mean I see her in commercials, Girls five Eva,
Speaker 2: her own talk show Busy Tonight. She's all over the place,
Speaker 2: and she's been on the show before. Now here's the
Speaker 2: deal with that. I like to have people that I
Speaker 2: like on multiple times. Of course, if you know, schedule
Speaker 2: allows or whatever. I got real lucky that I got
Speaker 2: to have her back. She's busy, she's booked and busy,
Speaker 2: so she's come on before. She's told her ghost stories,
Speaker 2: which are epic, and since we already got to all those.
Speaker 2: When I have these kinds of people on that have
Speaker 2: already told their stories, or if they don't have stories,
Speaker 2: I like to prepare stuff, and this episode has it all. Honey.
Speaker 2: We got Paltergeist, we got ghost voices, we got UFOs,
Speaker 2: and Busy comes in right at the end with a
Speaker 2: psychic story of her own. So let's just get right
Speaker 2: into it. Here is me talking once again, and with
Speaker 2: Busy Phillips, and with the show. I am joined by
Speaker 2: the best eyebrows in the business, my friend Busy Phillips. Hello,
Speaker 2: I'm here a repeat customer. I was just looking it
Speaker 2: up when you were on this podcast April of twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: It was the first one once the pandemic had hit,
Speaker 2: and I was trying to figure out how do I
Speaker 2: record this? Do I do it on my phone? Like
Speaker 2: everyone was kind of like we do now. Actually, as
Speaker 2: I was listening to it, there was a Moment's so
Speaker 2: it's so sad to listen to, but there was a
Speaker 2: moment in the intro where I was like, yeah, guys,
Speaker 2: I hope everyone's doing well, but it sounds like according
Speaker 2: to the news, things are getting better soon. Like this
Speaker 2: was April of twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: No, nothing makes me sadder than the hopefulness of those
Speaker 3: early weeks of thedemac like people. I was never hopeful,
Speaker 3: I have to say, like I like I truly always
Speaker 3: was like, oh, strap in everybody, this is going to
Speaker 3: be the next a long time of our lives. Like
Speaker 3: I just had this feeling about it. Well because I'm psychic,
Speaker 3: but but I remember having friends that were like, it
Speaker 3: wasn't even on their radar, a B. They were like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: it'll be over in like a week. See, couldn't believe,
Speaker 3: couldn't believe, we're in shock.
Speaker 2: That was an interesting time because it was very slumber
Speaker 2: party vibes for like that first week, sure, and.
Speaker 3: The first month, I would say, the first month.
Speaker 2: Yeah maybe, And people just like you who are so
Speaker 2: busy were punattended, were available to talk to me about ghosts.
Speaker 2: And I was having the time of my life because
Speaker 2: the stories that you have, you have like beginning, middle
Speaker 2: and ghosts stories. And I encourage people to go back
Speaker 2: and listen, skip the intro, skip any of the pandemic stuff,
Speaker 2: just listen to busy stories.
Speaker 3: Because we sound like idiots because we have no idea
Speaker 3: what's about to happen.
Speaker 2: But you told a story about when you lived in
Speaker 2: England and college.
Speaker 3: I believe my summer in Oxford with a ghost a
Speaker 3: ghosts and then the same ghost that a friend of
Speaker 3: mine had that I met years later, had had years earlier.
Speaker 2: And then also I remember your story about somewhere in
Speaker 2: the South you were shooting something in.
Speaker 3: To North Carolina. I had a ghost there. What were
Speaker 3: you shooting Dawson's Creek?
Speaker 2: Oh my god, iconic.
Speaker 3: It is kind of iconic. I have to say, Like,
Speaker 3: now that I live on the East Coast, you know,
Speaker 3: the South is very haunted, I find, and I find
Speaker 3: like the ghosts very open in the South to making
Speaker 3: themselves known. I think that like the East Coast is
Speaker 3: also very very haunted. But I don't have the same
Speaker 3: I don't have the same thing in New York City,
Speaker 3: like I don't. I think maybe it's just too much
Speaker 3: because there's too many energies of all types. Yes, but
Speaker 3: I just don't get like ghosty vibes.
Speaker 2: This has come up so many times because I talked
Speaker 2: to a lot of people New York whatever. People don't
Speaker 2: tell me enough ghost stories about the city. And I
Speaker 2: think it has to do with, Yeah, there's so much
Speaker 2: hustle and bustle.
Speaker 3: There's no energetic space for them to exist. They're like,
Speaker 3: this is boring. I can't even like do something because
Speaker 3: you know what I mean, Like, I think that's the
Speaker 3: I think if we were able to like talk to
Speaker 3: a ghost who should be in New York, they'd be like, yeah, no,
Speaker 3: I had to go to Westchester. It's I needed space.
Speaker 2: But you could also argue that there's so much energy
Speaker 2: for them to feed off of and to you know,
Speaker 2: there's a lot of theories that you know, it's almost
Speaker 2: like if a tree falls in the woods and no
Speaker 2: one heard it whatever, Like does a ghost exist if
Speaker 2: there's no humans around? You don't know because you don't
Speaker 2: see them, but like do they need humans to be fueled?
Speaker 3: But also we don't know how. I mean, here's the thing. Like,
Speaker 3: I whatever it is in New York, I just have
Speaker 3: to say it's obviously an anomaly to other places, definitely.
Speaker 3: I mean New England ghosts are real and people have
Speaker 3: crazy New England ghost stories, right, But New York City
Speaker 3: it's it should feel there should be places that feel
Speaker 3: really haunted and they don't feel haunted.
Speaker 2: Oh, here's the theory. I think it's the personality type.
Speaker 2: I think if you're a New Yorker, you're like I
Speaker 2: gotta go. I'm on the move. I'm not sticking around spooking' yet.
Speaker 2: In the middle of the night, I got shipped to do,
Speaker 2: I got places to be. It's the city that never sleeps.
Speaker 3: It is the city that never sleeps. So the ghosts
Speaker 3: are like, when am I going to.
Speaker 2: Haunt the New England ones? They're like, this is majestic,
Speaker 2: this is beautiful. I love it here.
Speaker 3: These houses are very creaky.
Speaker 2: Oh perfect, Right, So you're in New York right now?
Speaker 3: No, right now, I'm actually in Los Angeles. You are,
Speaker 3: I am. I'm here for well, I'm here for like
Speaker 3: a week ish, oh maybe more. I don't know.
Speaker 1: Busy.
Speaker 2: I used to see you all the time. I haven't
Speaker 2: seen you in so long.
Speaker 3: I know. Well, it's crazy. I moved during the pandemic.
Speaker 3: Unexpected moving.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I was recently on my favorite murder and
Speaker 2: it's so exciting. A little story came up about the
Speaker 2: time I was on your old property and encountered a murderer.
Speaker 3: You and Sam thwarted the murderer from coming to my home.
Speaker 2: Yes, me and my best friend Sam Pancake For.
Speaker 3: That, I'm eternally grateful you like essentially saved my life.
Speaker 2: I have to say, honestly, I don't want to I
Speaker 2: don't want to do this, but I am gonna say.
Speaker 2: I was the first one to see him, so if
Speaker 2: I wasn't there, see Sam was deep in drag Race.
Speaker 2: We were watching Roupall's drag Race. I'm wandering my eyes
Speaker 2: around and I see a man staring into the window
Speaker 2: at me. It's the thing I'll never forget. I was
Speaker 2: staring him in the eyes.
Speaker 3: It's terrifying, and I go.
Speaker 2: Sam, there's a man right there.
Speaker 4: Now.
Speaker 2: I'll give Sam credit because he was definitely the brave
Speaker 2: one in the situation.
Speaker 3: He took control of the situation.
Speaker 2: He did he did. All I did was see it.
Speaker 2: And then Sam was like, hey, what do you what's
Speaker 2: going on? Long story short, go listen to my favorite
Speaker 2: murder but shoot him away. And then, very unfortunately, he
Speaker 2: ended up murdering one of the neighbors.
Speaker 3: Not like a direct The neighbor was in the neighborhood.
Speaker 3: It wasn't like he was the next store neighbor or whatever.
Speaker 3: And we were talking before we started recording after the fact,
Speaker 3: and it was horrifying. My family and I were not
Speaker 3: at home. We were out to dinner, and you guys
Speaker 3: were in the guest house, which was like in the
Speaker 3: front walk way, and Sam jumped out of the window, right,
Speaker 3: and like.
Speaker 2: I mean he didn't jump out, but well, he.
Speaker 3: Like climbed out of the window.
Speaker 2: No, I think we stayed inside.
Speaker 3: You didn't get out of the house. Oh my. In
Speaker 3: my history of the story that I wasn't there for,
Speaker 3: but was at my house, I thought that Sam like
Speaker 3: jumped out of the window and like stopped.
Speaker 2: He did a barrel roll, barrel rolled.
Speaker 3: No, but he did give him a bottle of water
Speaker 3: and an apple. Is that true? Or was that another neighbor?
Speaker 1: You know?
Speaker 2: I did read online a neighbor saying.
Speaker 3: That because that was how they got the guy. Was
Speaker 3: the DNA from that? Oh my god, So all of
Speaker 3: this to say, like you and I were talking, this
Speaker 3: was a transient, mentally ill person who had wandered into
Speaker 3: my old neighborhood in Los Angeles, And it seemed like
Speaker 3: there were like at least ten neighbors that had an
Speaker 3: interaction with him that day or evening, and he ended
Speaker 3: up breaking into a house and then when the renter
Speaker 3: came home, I don't know, he murdered him.
Speaker 2: And it's terrible, terrible, very scary. And then I house
Speaker 2: sat for you for an entire month alone after that
Speaker 2: and took care of your cats.
Speaker 3: And every time I don't think that house was haunted.
Speaker 2: No I don't either, but every time I heard a
Speaker 2: cat scrapping around, I was like, what was that?
Speaker 3: He's back?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: I was so on edge. But anyway, can we talk
Speaker 2: about some ghosts.
Speaker 3: Let's talk about it?
Speaker 1: Okay?
Speaker 2: I have one of my favorite kinds of stories to
Speaker 2: share with you. A poltergeist, a poulterry eyed. Do you
Speaker 2: know that I like a poultry guys, because there's no
Speaker 2: dead people involved.
Speaker 3: No, it's just teenage energy.
Speaker 2: Yes, I like that, you know that. So this is
Speaker 2: a famous case that took place in Indianapolis. It's the
Speaker 2: Beck family. So most of the research I did came
Speaker 2: from a twenty eighteen piece in the South Side Times
Speaker 2: by Rick Hinton, And this case here was nineteen sixty two, Indianapolis, Indiana.
Speaker 2: The house in question is a four bedroom, two bathroom
Speaker 2: home built in nineteen hundred Ranada.
Speaker 3: Beck moves in by the way side note, Renata is
Speaker 3: a fucking great name.
Speaker 2: It really is.
Speaker 4: She spelled it r e Nate chic I love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm sure people mess that up a lot. I
Speaker 2: feel bad for that because people probably.
Speaker 3: Like Renee a.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so poor Renato, she's already dealing with that. And
Speaker 2: then she moves in to this house. She's a thirty
Speaker 2: two year old single mother. She's a restaurant operator. She's
Speaker 2: got her sixty one year old mother whose name was Lena,
Speaker 2: which is another name I love. Lena was originally from Germany.
Speaker 2: And then she's got her thirteen year old daughter, Linda.
Speaker 2: And this is this is early sixties, so this was
Speaker 2: the days when a thirteen year old was named Linda.
Speaker 3: You know, I was gonna say, but also, can I
Speaker 3: just pitch, can we bring Linda back? Guys? It's time.
Speaker 2: Oh the name Linda.
Speaker 3: Yeah, let's bring Linda back. Yeah, I want a baby
Speaker 3: named Linda.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you don't see Linda's Nancy's. No, you don't see
Speaker 2: that name for like babies anymore.
Speaker 3: No, although my nephew's name is Bob, and I have
Speaker 3: to say, when he was a baby, it was really funny.
Speaker 3: He was just a baby named Bob.
Speaker 2: Yeah that's not a that doesn't seem But you also,
Speaker 2: I love the names you gave your children which are
Speaker 2: not classic.
Speaker 3: Not tradish. But you know what, when I gave Bertie
Speaker 3: the name Bertie, people were aghast. It was as if
Speaker 3: I had named her Apple right. They like, could not.
Speaker 3: I'm like, guys, it's a real name. It's just it's
Speaker 3: not from this era currently.
Speaker 2: No, it's adorable.
Speaker 3: But now there are so many Birdies, are they m
Speaker 3: There are so many companies now that are like Birdie
Speaker 3: Beauty and Birdie's this and Birdie blah. But Birdie's books.
Speaker 3: I do want to say you were the first. Do
Speaker 3: you want to say? Okay?
Speaker 2: So back to Linda, Lina and Ranata. So this poor
Speaker 2: single mother Ranata, she moves in. She's like, oh, this
Speaker 2: place is where I'm gonna start my new life. She
Speaker 2: just got divorced. She's like, I'm single, I'm ready to mingle.
Speaker 2: I'm here in this beautiful home with the girlies, gorgeous Indianapolis, the.
Speaker 3: Place where we all dream of moving someday.
Speaker 2: Yes, she's like, everything's gonna be quiet and serene. Wrong,
Speaker 2: it's a Sunday night, just after ten. What's that flinging
Speaker 2: past her head? A giant beer Stein. It lifts up
Speaker 2: on its own from a sink and it flies across
Speaker 2: the room and it smashes on the ground. Then a
Speaker 2: loud crash. Upstairs, they find Granny Lena's precious crystal collection
Speaker 2: moving around and smashing on the floor.
Speaker 3: They saw the crystals flying.
Speaker 2: They saw it all wow, is what they say.
Speaker 3: That's what they say.
Speaker 2: So they grab their car keys and they book it
Speaker 2: to the Indianapolis Ritz Carlton or wherever it was some hotel.
Speaker 2: They wake up the next day in the hotel. It
Speaker 2: probably had a nice complimentary Continental breakfast. They head back
Speaker 2: to their new home around one thirty pm. Poltergeist is
Speaker 2: right where they left it. There's crystal glass flying around.
Speaker 2: It's breaking into a million pieces.
Speaker 3: Like, I don't understand. Didn't he take a break? Like
Speaker 3: what's happening?
Speaker 2: I love that you gendered it because I mean, I
Speaker 2: feel it's possible. It's very possible. It could be a
Speaker 2: man energy. I mean, maybe it took a break and
Speaker 2: was doing like a places everyone she's coming. They're coming back,
Speaker 2: and then you know, picked up all the stuff. We
Speaker 2: don't know. This is before ring cams.
Speaker 3: We don't know.
Speaker 2: But okay, so they're back home. They're like, okay, I
Speaker 2: guess this is like our life now, and they're settling
Speaker 2: and they're getting cozy, trying to relax, making some coffee.
Speaker 3: Wait, I'm confused. So they just were like they came back,
Speaker 3: the Poltergeist is still poltergeistang and they were like shrug emoji.
Speaker 2: Exactly, like we just have to live with us. Well,
Speaker 2: it doesn't seem like the entire house was just everything's
Speaker 2: flying everywhere. It just seems like there were things happening
Speaker 2: in different rooms at different times. Basically, you're never safe
Speaker 2: because as they're coming back relaxing or whatever, a pipe
Speaker 2: and hot cup of coffeelings towards Granny Lena's head, just
Speaker 2: inches away from turning her into a Grandma machiato. So
Speaker 2: naturally they call the police. It's funny because all these
Speaker 2: stories are kind of like the same in some sense
Speaker 2: where it's like, first of all, I don't blame people.
Speaker 2: They don't know what the hell?
Speaker 4: Who do you call thosebs? Well, this is nineteen sixty two,
Speaker 4: right of course, I'm so sorry.
Speaker 2: So a sergeant John Mullen comes over and he assesses
Speaker 2: the situation and he's like, Okay, I see what you're
Speaker 2: doing here. You're pranking me. Good one, But come on
Speaker 2: ladies and Ranada's like, girl, sergeant, this crystal glass and
Speaker 2: this beer steying here, like these are collectibles we did
Speaker 2: not throw, like they didn't want to break these items.
Speaker 2: And he's like, Okay, it's probably like a pellet gun
Speaker 2: that someone shooting around the neighborhood that's going through the wind.
Speaker 2: Or maybe it's a high fi stereo that's emitting sound
Speaker 2: waves and it's shattering the glass.
Speaker 3: That's insane.
Speaker 2: Yeah sure. And they're literally like okay, great, Yeah, you've
Speaker 2: been helpful, thank you, Bye, bye bye. This is my
Speaker 2: other favorite part. This is actually my favorite part of
Speaker 2: all these stories. The papers pick it up. Locals are
Speaker 2: showing up far and wide because they want to see
Speaker 2: a glimpse of the flying beer steins.
Speaker 3: I do think that once the papers pick it up,
Speaker 3: it's got a life of its own.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, and people are like, we want to see.
Speaker 2: And if it was me, and this is sometimes how
Speaker 2: this goes, people start charging, which I would have done. Ye,
Speaker 2: I would have said, step right up, ten dollars can
Speaker 2: come on it. I would make them sign a waiver. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna be responsible.
Speaker 3: Yeah. They also no camera phones even exist it back then,
Speaker 3: so it's.
Speaker 2: Like true, and that's why so many of these stories.
Speaker 2: It's like we kind of just have to take people's word.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Well, and we know that people are tear like most
Speaker 3: of the time, like very bad witnesses to their own history.
Speaker 3: So who even knows, Yeah, except for all my ghost
Speaker 3: stories are real.
Speaker 2: Right, And Sam Pancake jumped out of the window, and.
Speaker 3: Well, I wasn't there. I know for some reason, I
Speaker 3: did think that, but he didn't.
Speaker 2: I guess, no, I don't think whatever. Okay, So so
Speaker 2: some of the activity that's happening in this house includes
Speaker 2: because it sounds like the cops are constantly like coming
Speaker 2: by checking this out. A cop heard a crash coming
Speaker 2: from upstairs. He goes up there and finds a crystal
Speaker 2: swan that has shattered on a shelf in Linda's room.
Speaker 2: All three ladies report being bitten, punctured, and bruised by
Speaker 2: unseen forces.
Speaker 3: That's insane, yeah.
Speaker 2: Granny and Lena at one point claimed that she got
Speaker 2: choked out by something. What Renata's purse went missing at
Speaker 2: one point with one hundred and twenty five I have
Speaker 2: American dollars in it. Then mysteriously it reappeared at the
Speaker 2: granny Lena's feet with eighty dollars missing.
Speaker 3: Same. She also she just also didn't know how much
Speaker 3: money she had in her wallet.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna just say, I mean, it could be someone
Speaker 2: took the money. We don't know, but it sounds like
Speaker 2: the ghost at this point. Okay. So, and then also
Speaker 2: they would hear rapping sounds from upstairs just constantly. And oh,
Speaker 2: actually I found there is one recording from the investigation.
Speaker 3: Amazing here, let me share my audio.
Speaker 2: Okay, so this is a real recording of the rapping
Speaker 2: sounds that they heard.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, I think that coffee the police can have
Speaker 1: eighty dollars Richard throw and glassware like a pitcher. I'm
Speaker 1: a Poultergeist. Are you not enticed?
Speaker 3: Uh wow?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the wrapping that they heard from that Carltergeist.
Speaker 3: That's very similar to the rap that my best friend
Speaker 3: from elementary school had on their answering machine along the same,
Speaker 3: just along the same, totally following the same sort of beat.
Speaker 2: And skill level. U huh. I feel like I legally
Speaker 2: have to say that is not real.
Speaker 5: That was.
Speaker 2: We got that.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, So moving on, So they call their friend who's
Speaker 2: a man named emil No Sato and he's a local businessman,
Speaker 2: and he investigates the house with his wife. They say
Speaker 2: that they saw feathers being ripped out of the pillows
Speaker 2: and furniture moving on its own. Okay, so this poultergeist
Speaker 2: is strong. They claim that they hear sounds from the
Speaker 2: dining room. They go in and they end up finding
Speaker 2: silverware that's arranged on the floor in the shape of
Speaker 2: a cross.
Speaker 3: Ooh, okay, all right, poultergeist.
Speaker 2: And I've said this before, but I'll say it again
Speaker 2: anytime I hear that a poultergeist is like picking up
Speaker 2: couches and stuff. It's like, there's things you could do
Speaker 2: around the house that are productive. Yeah, with that strength,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 3: You could vacuum, vacuum underneath the sofa.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Like, were you helping them when they moved in? No,
Speaker 2: I'm sure they probably needed help getting all that shit
Speaker 2: in the house.
Speaker 3: Yes, where were you then, poltergeist?
Speaker 2: Exactly? So the cops seem to have been, you know,
Speaker 2: constantly over here and at this point, sixteen days is
Speaker 2: what we're at, and the non stop poultergeisting. One of
Speaker 2: the cops comes over and he sees Granny Lina throw
Speaker 2: in some shit and he's like, wait a minute, what
Speaker 2: are you doing there, Granny Lina, and Ranata is like, no,
Speaker 2: she's just like having a nervous breakdown. Like it's not
Speaker 2: she's not like the polter geist. Like, she's just she's
Speaker 2: under a lot of stress, which is understandable. If I'm
Speaker 2: living in a house where this stuff is happening NonStop,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go crazy too, and I'll probably throw something.
Speaker 3: I also might start throwing things like ooh, you want
Speaker 3: to throw things?
Speaker 2: Okay, I let's throw things exactly exactly. I'll show you
Speaker 2: how to throw something.
Speaker 3: Yes, I get the inclination. Yeah.
Speaker 2: So they end up arresting Granny Lena for falsifying a
Speaker 2: report and they take her downtown.
Speaker 3: No, yeah, not Granny Lena.
Speaker 2: Now, I bet Ranada. As they're arresting her mom, she's
Speaker 2: probably like, yeah, also, can you batter down and see
Speaker 2: if she's got that eighty dollars that mysteriously disappeared?
Speaker 3: Do you think that it was uh Lena, gran Granny Lena.
Speaker 2: Well, here's the interesting thing. This is a little sad.
Speaker 2: I think I don't know. This story is so mysterious.
Speaker 2: But they end up making a deal with her that
Speaker 2: they'll drop the charges if she agrees to get sent
Speaker 2: back to Germany because that's where she's originally from. So
Speaker 2: they do send her back. You know, she they dropped
Speaker 2: the charges or whatever, and the activity stopped.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 2: Okay, a lot of things might lead us to believe
Speaker 2: that the grandma was the poultry guyst the whole time. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but apparently there were times when she wasn't present and
Speaker 2: there was stuff that happened. But also the neighbors said
Speaker 2: that they would hear them fighting. There was a lot
Speaker 2: of drama, and they did have the teenage girl, which,
Speaker 2: going back to what you said in the beginning, a
Speaker 2: lot of times poultry guys seemed to be centered around
Speaker 2: that teenage particularly teenage girl energy, and maybe having the
Speaker 2: three of them in the house. They were fighting all
Speaker 2: the time and that stirred stuff up, and once the
Speaker 2: granny left there was less intensity in the air. It's
Speaker 2: hard to say with this story in general, what is
Speaker 2: real and what isn't. But a lot of people witnessed it.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's that hard to tell.
Speaker 2: So what do you what's your conclusion based on what
Speaker 2: you've heard.
Speaker 3: That granny and Lena was fucking miserable and hated living
Speaker 3: with her daughter and her teenage granddaughter and wanted to
Speaker 3: go back to the old country, and.
Speaker 2: So she made all this up so that she could
Speaker 2: get sent back.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I think she just thought if she made like
Speaker 3: enough chaos that somehow it would change the situation, and
Speaker 3: it did.
Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, maybe she didn't think that if I
Speaker 2: fake being a poltergeist and get caught fed.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Yes, I don't know if she thought.
Speaker 3: I think she was just I think it was just chaos, right,
Speaker 3: I think the goal was chaos.
Speaker 2: She succeeded.
Speaker 3: Also, sixty one is not that old, oh.
Speaker 2: I know. And the way that like the stuff I
Speaker 2: was reading online was like her elderly mother. I'm like,
Speaker 2: come on.
Speaker 3: Sixty one though, in nineteen sixty two is kind of old.
Speaker 3: I guess it's a different sixty one, you know what.
Speaker 3: I'm about to turn.
Speaker 2: We the era of there's no such thing as like
Speaker 2: little old grannies, and like eighty year old women are
Speaker 2: fucking hot at this point. Yes, So that's the story
Speaker 2: of the Beck family Poultergeist of Indianapolis.
Speaker 3: I don't know that one.
Speaker 2: Okay, I got one that might turn that frown upside down?
Speaker 2: Have you been following this news story? Now we are
Speaker 2: recording this, you know, a couple weeks before this airs,
Speaker 2: But this has been a news story in recent times
Speaker 2: about this family in Las Vegas with the UFO.
Speaker 3: No, but I love it.
Speaker 2: So, Okay, I don't want to sound like you and
Speaker 2: I did the first week of the pandemic, where you know,
Speaker 2: news changes and whatever, So I will say this is
Speaker 2: a developing story at this very moment. But what I
Speaker 2: think is the most interesting about this story is just
Speaker 2: the initial report because things have come in later, because
Speaker 2: this did become a big news story and whatever. So
Speaker 2: it's developing, yes, but it first took place on May
Speaker 2: one of twenty twenty three. This family in Las Vegas.
Speaker 2: They've got a couple of sons. The one son, Angel,
Speaker 2: who's sixteen, has a YouTube channel. It's called Alien Society
Speaker 2: fifty one, which he only has one video on it,
Speaker 2: and he put it up after this became a news story,
Speaker 2: just to like tell his side of the story. So
Speaker 2: pretty much every news outlet has covered this a little bits.
Speaker 2: This is the kind of news that I really pay
Speaker 2: attention to like. Of course, at this point, I'm just like,
Speaker 2: don't ask me about certain things. I want to talk
Speaker 2: about this. So it's midnight Las Vegas, hot as can be.
Speaker 2: He's fixing his truck in his backyard and he hears
Speaker 2: something from the sky. It's falling, and he sees a
Speaker 2: bright light and he says that he hears and feels
Speaker 2: a big impact on the ground, just like a bumple. Now,
Speaker 2: there was a body cam that came out, like a
Speaker 2: video from a body cam that came out that showed
Speaker 2: something falling from the sky, but it has been debunked
Speaker 2: by the American Meteor Society as being a meteor.
Speaker 3: Okay, so that's not the same thing.
Speaker 2: Well or is it? Could it have all happened? I
Speaker 2: don't know. You know, I'm trying to argue all sides
Speaker 2: because we really don't know this kind of stuff. The
Speaker 2: fun part is that we just who knows, because the
Speaker 2: stuff that's the most mysterious and interesting is what this
Speaker 2: family has said. So anyway, the initial story, he says
Speaker 2: that he's in his backyard, his vision starts getting blurry,
Speaker 2: and he hears footsteps coming toward him. He sees like
Speaker 2: an eight foot tall creature with gray greenish skin. It's
Speaker 2: got weird looking feet in a big mouth.
Speaker 3: That's insane.
Speaker 2: His dad also sees it, and his brothers. Then he
Speaker 2: looks at it in the eyes and he says, he
Speaker 2: freezes like he had sleep paralysis. I could argue he
Speaker 2: just went into shock. He says. You could see its
Speaker 2: mouth breathing, you could see its stomach moving. He ran
Speaker 2: into the house and he made a nine one one call.
Speaker 2: And this is the nine one one call.
Speaker 3: Oh well, this is great now, I love this.
Speaker 2: I got this from ABC seven Chicago. Was just like
Speaker 2: one of the many many outlets stop played this, But
Speaker 2: this is a real nine one one call from this
Speaker 2: sixteen year old.
Speaker 5: Okay, what's going on over there? Okay, lady, Me, my
Speaker 5: dad and my brother. We're working at a truck at
Speaker 5: our backyard and we have a big lot. I was like, right, correct, Okay,
Speaker 5: we were working and we just see in a corner
Speaker 5: company fold on from the sky and it was with
Speaker 5: light and when it hit down, it was like a
Speaker 5: big impact and we feel like an energy and then
Speaker 5: and then and then we hear like a lot of
Speaker 5: footsteps near us, and then we have a big, a
Speaker 5: big equipment, and we see and then there's a there's
Speaker 5: like an a fool person beside it and another one
Speaker 5: decide and it has big eyes. They're looking at us
Speaker 5: and it's still good. Okay, where is this on your property?
Speaker 5: In my backyard? I swear to God, this is not
Speaker 5: a dope. This is actually were So.
Speaker 1: There's two people or two subjects that are in your backyard.
Speaker 5: Correct, And they're very large, they're like a fool nicety food.
Speaker 5: I don't know they're they're like they look like iliots. Well,
Speaker 5: big eyes. They have big eyes like like I can't excited,
Speaker 5: and big mouth. They're tiny eyes, and and they're not
Speaker 5: human the one hundred percent they're not humans.
Speaker 2: I mean, this is anothering going back to Lena. You
Speaker 2: can get arrested for falsifying a report like he is, like, listen, lady,
Speaker 2: this is my favorite part. Let me just hear that again.
Speaker 5: Okay, what's going on over there?
Speaker 2: Okay, lady, my dad, Okay, lady, Okay, lady lady. So
Speaker 2: they then go in their living room they're not going
Speaker 2: back outside, and they hear footsteps on the roof, they
Speaker 2: hear whispering outside. Their neighbors believe them. The cops come over,
Speaker 2: and the cops are like, actually, we heard this from
Speaker 2: other people in the neighborhood that there was this crash
Speaker 2: or this you know thing. But I think these are
Speaker 2: the only people that reported actually seeing the people, and
Speaker 2: this poor family they've been like in hiding in their house,
Speaker 2: not going anywhere doing interviews or whatever because people are
Speaker 2: just like threatening them and saying this is all a hoax,
Speaker 2: and they're like, no, it's like this happened to us. Like, sorry,
Speaker 2: it happened to us.
Speaker 3: We saw what we saw.
Speaker 2: Now, I always try to come up with, you know,
Speaker 2: different possibilities for things. Could it be that these were
Speaker 2: a couple of new members of the Blue Man Group
Speaker 2: show at the lux Or and they were running late
Speaker 2: for a performance. They got lost, Sure, this is Vegas
Speaker 2: and they were just trying to be like, hey, how
Speaker 2: do you get to the Luxore? And they had their
Speaker 2: makeup on. It's just a theory. I'm working on it.
Speaker 2: It's a developing story.
Speaker 3: They crashed, they were driving erradically late for the show.
Speaker 3: But is there anyone in the Blue Man Group that's
Speaker 3: eight to ten feet tall? Now I'm googling because I
Speaker 3: because I had to know.
Speaker 2: Still still you know they're into all that shit.
Speaker 3: Sure, I don't know. Bertie just told me a thing
Speaker 3: the other night about the existence of UFOs because like,
Speaker 3: these kids know everything and they're so much smarter than
Speaker 3: anyone my age. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, listen, a fifteen year old in twenty twenty
Speaker 2: three definitely knows more than me.
Speaker 3: And now a fifteen year old in twenty twenty three
Speaker 3: is the equivalent of like a thirty year old in
Speaker 3: nineteen sixty two.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: Bertie would have walked into that house and been like, uh, Grimalina, Yeah,
Speaker 3: get back to Germany.
Speaker 2: You're the col prit Hey, you want to hear some
Speaker 2: ghosts voices? Yes, it's time for EVP or ev plicse.
Speaker 2: So this is a segment I do. You did this
Speaker 2: three years ago with me. Basically what I do is
Speaker 2: I go to social media YouTube wherever. People can also
Speaker 2: send them to me at ghosted Bows at gmail dot com,
Speaker 2: and I find evp's electronic voice phenomena. These are believed
Speaker 2: to be ghosts speaking captured on some kind of recording device.
Speaker 2: People upload them. I got two of them for you,
Speaker 2: and we're going to try to figure out what we
Speaker 2: think they say.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 2: So the first one comes from South Texas Haunts on YouTube,
Speaker 2: and it's at the old Nuisis County Courthouse in Corpus Christi, Texas. Okay,
Speaker 2: what is this ghost saying?
Speaker 3: Okay, wait, one more? One more call me name? O't
Speaker 3: call me? Saying wait, hold on, tell you return. Call shifting,
Speaker 3: call shling, call shling, call shling, cautioning, cautioning, cautioning.
Speaker 2: Well, okay, that's not what they thought. I'm gonna give
Speaker 2: you four options here, and one of these.
Speaker 3: I like cautioning. I think that's what it's saying. Okay,
Speaker 3: what do they think.
Speaker 2: It's one of these options? Is it a I'll lose weight? Honestly,
Speaker 2: it sounds like that. Listen, I'll lose weight.
Speaker 3: I don't hear that. I don't hear that.
Speaker 2: Okay, is it b oh? That was quick? Is it
Speaker 2: C come this way?
Speaker 3: Oh that's good?
Speaker 2: Or d oh yes, queen?
Speaker 3: Okay, play it one more time cautioning. I think they
Speaker 3: thought it was come with me.
Speaker 2: Yes, they believe that it was C come this.
Speaker 3: Way, yeah, come this way, right. I actually hear more
Speaker 3: like come with me, yeah, But now we know that
Speaker 3: it's really cautioning. Listen to oh yes, oh yes, queen.
Speaker 4: Oh yes, I hear gosh queen, Gosh yes Queen, same
Speaker 4: YouTube channel, South Texas Haunts.
Speaker 2: They also have one at a haunted Texas hospital. I
Speaker 2: didn't say which one, but a haunted Texas hospital. What
Speaker 2: is it saying? Okay, this is a very different kind
Speaker 2: of voice.
Speaker 3: It's just that's not a voice that was just like
Speaker 3: someone like knocking them up microphone, like a bark.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it sounds like a bark for sure.
Speaker 1: It a.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 3: Ice cream? I hear ice cream?
Speaker 2: Okay, ice cream. Funny you say that because that is
Speaker 2: one of these options here. Yes, is a ice cream. Yes,
Speaker 2: b ask me see nice scream you like when your
Speaker 2: friend has an iPhone crack screen. You're like nice scream
Speaker 2: or d yes Queen. I'm sorry these Texas queens.
Speaker 3: It's yes, Queen, Yes Queen, Yes, yes Queen, it's definitely
Speaker 3: yes queen. Or ice cream.
Speaker 2: They believe it's ice cream?
Speaker 3: Ice cream? Yes Queen. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's do one last thing now. This could take
Speaker 2: us into all kinds of directions, and I'm really excited
Speaker 2: to hear your thoughts and some of these things. I'm
Speaker 2: just gonna list off some unexplained phenomena stuff that's on
Speaker 2: this topic, and I want you to tell me if
Speaker 2: you believe in it. You don't if you have an
Speaker 2: anecdote of some sort of anything that comes up. Okay,
Speaker 2: so first up, psychics, tell me about it.
Speaker 3: Yes, one hundred percent, I'm psychic.
Speaker 2: Now why do you say that you're psychic?
Speaker 3: Well, I think I'm very intuitive, but sometimes I just
Speaker 3: know things are gonna happen. I say, like, you know,
Speaker 3: I just am or I sort of like see things
Speaker 3: in the future. And then I have a lot of
Speaker 3: I have like a lot of like really psychic connections
Speaker 3: with people, you know, like the kind of thing. Some
Speaker 3: people don't have these things, which is weird, right, It's
Speaker 3: weird to me when people don't have it. Like I
Speaker 3: text a thing that someone's like, I was literally just
Speaker 3: about to text you this exact question, do you know
Speaker 3: what I mean? Like that kind of thing. But close friends,
Speaker 3: like it only is with people that I'm really close with.
Speaker 3: I have a lot of that stuff where I feel
Speaker 3: like I can almost i don't know, predict or communicate
Speaker 3: with people without having to talk to them that I'm
Speaker 3: close with. And then we're like, oh yeah, no, that's
Speaker 3: in my head. I'm like, oh, that's already been decided
Speaker 3: because you know what I mean, I'm really woo. I'm
Speaker 3: really wo wo.
Speaker 2: I love that. A lot of it is just like intuition, and.
Speaker 3: Well, it's like, I guess that's the thing, like, you know,
Speaker 3: people who have trauma have a tendency to be able
Speaker 3: to go into any room and sort of like figure
Speaker 3: out personalities and types of people and where the safety
Speaker 3: is and who's hiding. I mean, that's the kind of
Speaker 3: thing like that I'm so good at, is reading people,
Speaker 3: and so I think it kind of translates to energy
Speaker 3: in general in a way. Does that make sense?
Speaker 2: You know what? I think? I think that as we
Speaker 2: are animals and we all have animal instincts, all these
Speaker 2: other animals are constantly on the lookout for their praise,
Speaker 2: you know, correct, but we ignore it a lot of time.
Speaker 2: And I think everyone has this. It's just we're conditioned.
Speaker 3: Well, you're taught to ignore, but you're also taught to
Speaker 3: ignore it because of capitalism and the patriarchy and white supremacy.
Speaker 2: That's like, yeah, it pretty much all comes down to that.
Speaker 3: It always does. But that's the craziest thing is that
Speaker 3: like all of it comes down to, like white supremacy,
Speaker 3: toxic masculinity, the patriarchy and capitalism, and like, you know,
Speaker 3: anytime you hear did you ever read the story of
Speaker 3: Debbie Harry getting away from Oh my god, who's the
Speaker 3: serial killer Ted Bundy? She was picked up by Ted Bundy?
Speaker 2: No, I don't know this story Debbie Harry from Blondie,
Speaker 2: So what's what's the story?
Speaker 3: Oh my god. The story was that she just had
Speaker 3: a bad feeling immediate and knew it like and followed
Speaker 3: her gut and like started kicking the car window with
Speaker 3: her giant platform shoes, which was the only reason why
Speaker 3: she accepted a ride anyway, was because she was wearing
Speaker 3: really giant platform shoes and her feet were really uncomfortable,
Speaker 3: and it was San Francisco, and against her better judgment,
Speaker 3: accepted a ride from this guy that she like immediately
Speaker 3: thought was creepy before she even like basically like as
Speaker 3: soon as she got in and she thought he was creepy,
Speaker 3: and then she kicked started kicking the windows and he
Speaker 3: like pulled over and let her out. And then when
Speaker 3: he was caught not long after that, she was like,
Speaker 3: that was the guy picked me up. Listen. Here's the
Speaker 3: thing too, is that so rarely as humans are we like,
Speaker 3: if you're a person who's able to get back in
Speaker 3: touch with that thing and trust your instincts and follow
Speaker 3: them always, you may never know what you've avoided, because
Speaker 3: it may not be a situation like a Ted Bundy
Speaker 3: or a situation like a horrible, huge thing, right, but
Speaker 3: it could have been a thing that changed your life
Speaker 3: forever in a terrible way, or was information that you
Speaker 3: didn't need, or you'll just never know. You just never know,
Speaker 3: And so I always err on the side, and I
Speaker 3: tell my kids to also. I have to say this
Speaker 3: as a woman, that idea of being polite which was
Speaker 3: so ingrained in generations of women because again patriarchy and whatever.
Speaker 3: I really have broken myself of that. But I was
Speaker 3: even me at a time. There was a time in
Speaker 3: my life, like in my twenties probably and definitely my
Speaker 3: teens and twenties where I do think I suppressed those
Speaker 3: feelings because I didn't want to seem rude to someone.
Speaker 3: And I always ask my like, I'm like internally always
Speaker 3: asking myself question like if I'm getting like a bad
Speaker 3: vibe from someone, and if it is a person of color.
Speaker 3: For instance, I'm like, wait, is your bad vibe because
Speaker 3: of internalized racism that you're not even like aware of,
Speaker 3: like really busy, like break it the fuck down. You
Speaker 3: have to be able to do all of those things
Speaker 3: though in like three and a half seconds. It's so
Speaker 3: layered and it's complicated and like we have all of
Speaker 3: these like conflicting things that have been put in us
Speaker 3: since birth in this culture, right, but like a huge
Speaker 3: one is not listening to your instincts.
Speaker 2: I've been dealing with this a lot on dating apps.
Speaker 2: I've had one time where I didn't listen to myself
Speaker 2: and the guy was a creep see and I and
Speaker 2: but there was things that I knew I should I
Speaker 2: they were red flags for me, but I was like,
Speaker 2: what is hot? And he's six foot two.
Speaker 3: I will say, just because of our society and our culture,
Speaker 3: it is hard to stay engaged, truly engaged with your
Speaker 3: tuition and your innermost knowing about all things. And the
Speaker 3: more that like people can like try to figure out
Speaker 3: how they're able to reconnect with it. I do think
Speaker 3: the better off and the safer everyone is well.
Speaker 2: On the topic of psychics, you talked to the iconic
Speaker 2: Teresa Caputo.
Speaker 3: We did talk to Teresa Caputo. She didn't have anything
Speaker 3: good to say to me. I just have to say that.
Speaker 2: No psychics have nothing to say to me. My my
Speaker 2: dead loved ones are like, we're good, we say goodbye.
Speaker 2: We don't we're not coming through anything.
Speaker 3: I had, nobody I had. Wait, I have a good
Speaker 3: story for you. Oh, here we go, I really do.
Speaker 3: I'm trying to. Okay. So Shintira Jackson, who was a
Speaker 3: writer on my late night talk show IRIP Busy Tonight,
Speaker 3: at some point in the fall of twenty twenty, reached
Speaker 3: out to me and was like, this is so weird.
Speaker 3: But her partner had given her a re with a
Speaker 3: medium for her birthday, and in the reading at the end,
Speaker 3: the medium was like, her name is Jamie. Was like,
Speaker 3: I'm so sorry. There's someone else that's here that's not
Speaker 3: for you. But they've been very insistent. Do you have
Speaker 3: a friend whose name is Elizabeth but nobody calls her that.
Speaker 3: They call her like something else. Oh God, Okay, it's
Speaker 3: not Lizzie. It's like, uh, Bizabeth, Lila Beet, Lillabet, Bizabeth
Speaker 3: Lilla Bet. And she has a tattoo on her foot.
Speaker 3: That's funny, and she and Tira is like, well, I
Speaker 3: have a friend named Buzy whose name is Elizabeth. I
Speaker 3: don't know if she has a tattoo on her foot. Oh,
Speaker 3: I have a tattoo on my foot that says fuck them.
Speaker 3: So the medium's like, here's the rule of mediumship. If
Speaker 3: another spirit like comes through or someone else, it's her
Speaker 3: responsibility to then get in touch with that person and
Speaker 3: say it has come through for you. But by the way,
Speaker 3: I want to be really specific, because a skeptic could say, well,
Speaker 3: obviously the lady knew that. She wrote I'm busy tonight.
Speaker 3: You posted your foot tattoo like when you got it done. Whatever. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: here's what I want to say. No one and nowhere
Speaker 3: have I ever said that. My grandmother refused to call
Speaker 3: me busy and only called me Lilibet or Bizabeth, those
Speaker 3: two exact names. Whoa because she specifically didn't say busy
Speaker 3: and she said Lilibet or Bizabeth. My grandma did not
Speaker 3: like busy, thought it was not a befitting nickname. Was
Speaker 3: always trying to get me to go by Lillabet, which
Speaker 3: is insane.
Speaker 2: What did she what was she trying to tell? Shantira.
Speaker 3: Then I had this whole session with Jamie.
Speaker 2: She was basically just saying, at your friends, reading like
Speaker 2: this woman's coming through and she wants to talk to me.
Speaker 3: Apparently my grandma and shan Tira's grandma had been like
Speaker 3: kicking it in the spiritual realm.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, they're probably watching the show together.
Speaker 3: I guess that maybe that's how they met. Like I
Speaker 3: don't know, but they were like hanging and they were
Speaker 3: it was like they were having a laugh, and my
Speaker 3: grandma really just wanted to like make contact with me.
Speaker 3: And here's what I'll say too, that for a couple
Speaker 3: years prior to that, I started finding these pennies on
Speaker 3: the ground all the time. And for a while I
Speaker 3: was like, this is so weird. What is this? And
Speaker 3: then I remembered at a certain point that like my
Speaker 3: grandma used to sing pennies from Heaven to me. She
Speaker 3: had like a couple songs that she loved that involved pennies.
Speaker 3: I know that sounds insane, but she was like, you know,
Speaker 3: from the depression era. I don't know, they talked about
Speaker 3: pennies a lot. That's all they had anyway. And so
Speaker 3: at a certain point I was like, I feel like
Speaker 3: these pennies are from Moot. That's what we called my
Speaker 3: grandma Moot. I feel like these pennies are from Moot.
Speaker 3: And my mom was always like, well, of course the
Speaker 3: pennies are from the Moot's just sending you a little
Speaker 3: sign saying I. Then I went like a step further
Speaker 3: in my thought process and I decided that like the
Speaker 3: pennies meant that I was like on the right path,
Speaker 3: and when I didn't see them I was, I would
Speaker 3: get really like bummed about my life choices or whatever.
Speaker 3: So anyway, in this reading that Jamie did, my grandma
Speaker 3: just wanted to like check in, tell me I was
Speaker 3: on the right path, tell me I was doing the
Speaker 3: right things. That the pennies are obviously from her. Come
Speaker 3: on crazy, you know she's like, pennies are from me?
Speaker 2: Yes, Like, yeah, that was me.
Speaker 3: Obviously it's me. But then Jamie, you should have Jamie
Speaker 3: on the show. She's what's her name, Jamie votes love.
Speaker 2: Okay, I got to listen to your episode with her.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but she said a thing to me and Casey,
Speaker 3: who I do my podcast with. Now, this is crazy,
Speaker 3: given the last week and a half, two weeks of
Speaker 3: the world. She said that orcas will be a sign
Speaker 3: and that when we see the orcas will.
Speaker 2: Know just this is for everyone or for you.
Speaker 3: It was just I mean it was to us, but
Speaker 3: like I don't know, it was I don't know. It
Speaker 3: was just a sign that the orcas. It's whales and
Speaker 3: orcas are the and I remembered wales, but I didn't
Speaker 3: remember Orca's. And then when all the Orca stuff has
Speaker 3: been happening in the last two weeks Casey's, She's like,
Speaker 3: are we supposed to be taking down billionaires? What's happening? Like,
Speaker 3: what what is our sign from the orcas?
Speaker 1: You'll know?
Speaker 3: I don't turns out I don't know. Actually weird, I know,
Speaker 3: but it was like very interesting. And then also there
Speaker 3: was like a really specific thing that came through for
Speaker 3: or my mom. It was like from one of her parents.
Speaker 3: It was a story I've never heard, my mother has
Speaker 3: never talked about like's. It was very specific and interesting
Speaker 3: and wild and made me a firm believer in those
Speaker 3: energies coming through.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 2: I talked to a lot of people that are famous
Speaker 2: public figures, whatever, and they always kind of say that
Speaker 2: same thing where it's like, yeah, they picked up on
Speaker 2: the things that everyone knows in the news, you could
Speaker 2: have found that out. And then there's always like the
Speaker 2: good psychics can always find that family member, that nickname,
Speaker 2: that little thing. And I hear that a lot about
Speaker 2: Tyler Henry, the Hollywood Medium. I hear that about Teresa Caputo.
Speaker 2: Good for them.
Speaker 3: I was asked to be on Tyler Henry's show at
Speaker 3: one point, and I would except that, like I'm close
Speaker 3: friends with a famous person who died, you know. I
Speaker 3: was so like, I don't want to go onto that
Speaker 3: show and have it be like Heath Ledger's coming through
Speaker 3: or whatever, like you know what I mean ahead of time,
Speaker 3: Like just no, I think you can't. And the truth is,
Speaker 3: like that's what they want for the show, right right,
Speaker 3: I'm not like ros I, I'm not new right. Also,
Speaker 3: it's not a thing that I particularly want to do
Speaker 3: on camera.
Speaker 2: Ever, Yeah, totally.
Speaker 3: I mean we recorded it for our podcast with the
Speaker 3: understanding that like we weren't gonna air, and you know
Speaker 3: what I actually have to say, I don't know if
Speaker 3: we aired the reading at all or if we just
Speaker 3: talked about it this podcast.
Speaker 2: I've had multiple psychics over the years that have read
Speaker 2: me on the show, and some things have been accurate
Speaker 2: and some things have not been accurate. And I can
Speaker 2: think of one moment in particular where somebody said I
Speaker 2: asked them about a job and they were like, it's
Speaker 2: not gonna happen, and I was like fuck, and then
Speaker 2: it did happen, and I think I ended up taking
Speaker 2: it out of the episode just in general. But I
Speaker 2: don't know that so many those kinds of questions are tricky,
Speaker 2: the mediumship stuff, when they can really nail down a fact,
Speaker 2: that's that's what I love.
Speaker 3: But the mediumship thing, too was what was so interesting
Speaker 3: to me about Jamie and that it did feel like
Speaker 3: the messages were very clear and it wasn't like you're
Speaker 3: going to get a job. It was like your family
Speaker 3: members from the other side are like line and people
Speaker 3: you love are like lining up on the other side
Speaker 3: to say these five things to you. And I did
Speaker 3: it with Casey and it was different for Casey than
Speaker 3: it was for me, you know what I mean, And
Speaker 3: it was and it was just so specific to not
Speaker 3: just me because again like yes, of course, I mean
Speaker 3: I am also like an open book, you know, like
Speaker 3: I talk a lot about my own self and my life,
Speaker 3: but very specific to other people in my family and
Speaker 3: very specific to like at the time, I think Mark
Speaker 3: and I were had already decided we were separating, but
Speaker 3: we hadn't told anyone. And there was like a thing
Speaker 3: that she that my grandma said about that Jamie was like,
Speaker 3: I don't know if this makes sense to you, Like
Speaker 3: she would say like that, you know, like, I don't
Speaker 3: know if this makes sense to you, But this thing,
Speaker 3: I'm like a big believer in energy and putting things
Speaker 3: out into the world and getting it back. And yes,
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 2: Okay, real quick, just a couple of these. Okay, now,
Speaker 2: do you believe in UFOs? I don't know if I
Speaker 2: got an exact answer on that.
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know. Sure, I guess ish, I
Speaker 3: don't know. I don't know. I know, I don't know
Speaker 3: enough to not believe in them.
Speaker 2: What about Bigfoot?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 2: No, But so you feel like you know enough to
Speaker 2: know that that's.
Speaker 3: Not Yeah, yeah, that's that's happening. Yeah I do.
Speaker 2: Because that's the thing with UFOs as opposed to Bigfoot
Speaker 2: is like UFOs, it's like, well, if we're talking about
Speaker 2: like the universe.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I'm not entirely sure that we're not ai.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean, I don't know anything is possible.
Speaker 3: I feel like, do.
Speaker 2: You subscribe to the belief of like demons.
Speaker 3: I think that people's energies can go real dark and
Speaker 3: people can become I think that there's like evil energy
Speaker 3: that can infect people. Yeah, I do. I don't know
Speaker 3: if it's I don't know what it is. I think
Speaker 3: it's a dark energy. I think there's definitely that's real.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well you've been just a bright energy.
Speaker 3: Well, but that's the trick, right, is that we have
Speaker 3: to like keep trying to bring the light energy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the darkness doesn't want anything to do with it.
Speaker 3: And right now, I think that there is like a
Speaker 3: lot of dark energy. Like when you talk about poltergeists
Speaker 3: being the offshoot of extreme anger in people and teenagers.
Speaker 3: That always resonated with me and made sense to me
Speaker 3: because it is so much energy that a temper tantrum
Speaker 3: of like an adult or a teenager, hormonal teenager is
Speaker 3: able to harness. You know, it feels like it has
Speaker 3: to go somewhere, right, But I just think when I
Speaker 3: get really depressed, which I have been, about the state
Speaker 3: of the world, and this country and whatever, all kinds
Speaker 3: of things. I try to remember that the best way
Speaker 3: to combat it is to meet it with positivity, even
Speaker 3: though that is like the hardness.
Speaker 2: You know, well, there's there's only so much we can control.
Speaker 2: But you know, I'm the same way. I try to
Speaker 2: make my efforts to.
Speaker 3: Make people laugh and spread some joy.
Speaker 2: Spread some joy.
Speaker 3: You do spread so much joy and some scary stories sometimes,
Speaker 3: although I have to say the Poulter guys today.
Speaker 2: Didn't do it for you. No, Well, Busy, I so
Speaker 2: appreciate you doing this again.
Speaker 3: Thanks, honey. I am so happy to tell people where
Speaker 3: to find you everywhere.
Speaker 2: You know your podcast.
Speaker 3: I have a podcast called Busy. Phillips is doing her
Speaker 3: best new episodes weekly. We like almost never take breaks
Speaker 3: because we didn't know that that was a thing we
Speaker 3: should do. And I'm on the television show Girls by
Speaker 3: Veva currently love it, among other shows. And that show
Speaker 3: is going to be coming to Netflix in the fall.
Speaker 3: If you missed it because it started on Peacock, you
Speaker 3: can watch the first two seasons on Netflix and then
Speaker 3: the third season will be coming out. And what else
Speaker 3: do I deal? So many things? I don't know?
Speaker 2: My Instagram story Instagram stories, ghost stories, psychic stories, psychics,
Speaker 2: all of that, and again, I think people should go
Speaker 2: back and listen to the first time you were on
Speaker 2: because the stories are pretty iconic.
Speaker 3: I'm going to go back and listen right now.
Speaker 2: April twenty twenty. Best thing that happened that month. All right, Busy,
Speaker 2: thank you, Thank you so much, too, Busy Phillips got
Speaker 2: a lover. This was a fun episode. This is what
Speaker 2: we do here. So I hope you're enjoying the show.
Speaker 2: Go back and listen to the last time she was on.
Speaker 2: There's been hundreds of episodes at this point of me
Speaker 2: talking to people about the paranormal. We're going to be
Speaker 2: back next week. I can't wait to talk more. Oh,
Speaker 2: I've got so many good ones coming out you, so
Speaker 2: make sure you're following the show. I love you all,
Speaker 2: both living and dead. But if I didn't ask you
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Speaker 2: startling Jiha Lee. Associate producer is the alarming Alex Chien.
Speaker 2: This episode was mixed and sound designed by the eerie
Speaker 2: Edson Choi. My guest booker is the petrifying Patrick Kuttner.
Speaker 2: Additional production support from the hair raising Hannah Kyle Crighton.
Speaker 2: My theme music is by the spine chilling Brendan Lynch Salomon.
Speaker 2: Artwork by the Spooky Vanessa Lilac. Photography by the terrifying
Speaker 2: Elizabeth Karen. Executive produced by the chilling Karen Kilgareff, the
Speaker 2: spooky Georgia hard Stark, and the frightening Danielle Kramer.