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Speaker 1: On this episode of Each World. On Wednesday, January twenty second,

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Speaker 1: Representative Chiproy released a new report entitled The Case for

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Speaker 1: health Care Freedom, a System for a Healthier America. The

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Speaker 1: report is a painstakingly researched, forty seven page report on

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Speaker 1: America's health crisis and how to address it, presenting ideas

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Speaker 1: on how the Trump administration and Congressional Republicans have the

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Speaker 1: opportunity to deliver transformational reform to our health care system.

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Speaker 1: The report asserts that healthcare freedom is this simple idea

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Speaker 1: that American patients and doctors must be empowered to decide

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Speaker 1: and provide healthcare, not insurance companies in corporate or government bureaucrats.

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Speaker 1: We should have the freedom and incentives to make informed,

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Speaker 1: healthy choices about the food we eat, the medicine we take,

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Speaker 1: and we should be able to insure ourselves against financial

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Speaker 1: risk of a health event in a robust, competitive market.

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Speaker 1: Here to discuss his plan, which I am deeply intrigued with,

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Speaker 1: to make America healthy again. I'm really pleased to welcome

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Speaker 1: my guest to Representative Chip Roy. He is currently serving

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Speaker 1: his third term in Congress representing the Great State of

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Speaker 1: Texas's twenty first Congressional district, which includes South Austin, North

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Speaker 1: San Antonio, and the Texas Hill Country. Chip, Welcome and

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Speaker 1: thank you for joining me on News World.

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Speaker 2: Mister speaker. Great to be on the show.

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Speaker 3: I really appreciate all you do and all you've done

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Speaker 3: since being in public service, and you're still iniminately involved

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Speaker 3: with what we're doing, and I appreciate it.

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Speaker 1: Listen, do you talk about healthcare freedom and your newest report,

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Speaker 1: could you define what you believe that means for the

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Speaker 1: average American family.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you just read the description that we put

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Speaker 3: in the report, but I put it in basic terms.

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Speaker 3: And I say this as a cancer survivor. Thirteen years

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Speaker 3: ago I finished my last CHEMOT treat and I think

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Speaker 3: thirteen years ago last week when I was working for

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Speaker 3: our mutual friend, Governor Rick Perry, we had just finished

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Speaker 3: his presidential campaign and frankly, I was helping on yours

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Speaker 3: for the remaining pieces of it. When I came through that,

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Speaker 3: and I was blessed to be able to go to

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Speaker 3: M d Anderson. And as Obamacare has gotten entrenched, which

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Speaker 3: by the way, it's not just Obamacare, right, it's decades

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Speaker 3: of having created this monstrosity where you no longer have

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Speaker 3: anything resembling healthcare that is free market oriented. So my

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Speaker 3: simple notion is empower patients and doctors with expanded health

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Speaker 3: savings accounts access to what we call direct primary care,

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Speaker 3: which means you've got access to a doctor directly, you

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Speaker 3: have their cell phone number, you actually have care. And

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Speaker 3: then decouple that from the requirements that we currently have

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Speaker 3: on insurance and to make sure that we can have

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Speaker 3: people be able to go get real insurance in the market.

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Speaker 3: And once you do that, you've now changed the whole

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Speaker 3: dynamic and you've freed it up so that people can

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Speaker 3: be able to go out and get the care of

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Speaker 3: their choice. You've said it very well. We need to

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Speaker 3: get back to care because we're using health care with

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Speaker 3: care and it's not the same thing. And I think

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Speaker 3: what we can do if we are bold and transformative,

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Speaker 3: would not just help individual families and individuals be able

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Speaker 3: to go get care from doctors of their choice rather

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Speaker 3: than insurance companies and bureaucrats, but it would actually drive

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Speaker 3: down the prices and it would actually help our deficit

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Speaker 3: and debt pile up. With the federal government, we have

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Speaker 3: five trillion dollars that we're spending annually on healthcare. You

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Speaker 3: know that, but yet somehow we spend three times more

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Speaker 3: per capita than Italy, but we have a five year

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Speaker 3: shorter lifespan than they do. The average family and their

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Speaker 3: employer pays twenty five thousand dollars a year for their

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Speaker 3: quote health insurance, but that insurance is so disconnected from care,

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Speaker 3: right they're not able to go get care. And now

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Speaker 3: you've got families that are getting subsidized up to six

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Speaker 3: hundred thousand dollars in income because the way we so

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Speaker 3: distorted the system. And all of this has a lot

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Speaker 3: of corporate crony components in it with respect to how

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Speaker 3: much the corporations are spending seven hundred and fifty million

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Speaker 3: dollars spent by Big Healthcare in lobbying the government, which

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Speaker 3: is more than defense contractors.

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Speaker 1: Well, your tackling is really important. Now. A key part

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Speaker 1: of what you would do, if I understand it, is

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Speaker 1: to use a substantially bigger tax advantage health savings account

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Speaker 1: so people could shop around in a transparent market. For

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Speaker 1: me and my family, how would that work?

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Speaker 2: Well?

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Speaker 3: So for right now, for the average family, you go

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Speaker 3: spend out of your pocket. Call it eight hundred dollars

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Speaker 3: and your employer pays sixteen hundred dollars and that money

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Speaker 3: goes to ETNA or bulieve Cross or whatever, and then

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Speaker 3: they are giving you so called insurance. But for that

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Speaker 3: you have a really high deductible, a really high codepay,

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Speaker 2: Dollars a year.

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Speaker 3: But yet you're still spending a lot out of pocket.

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Speaker 3: But all of that is deductible, tax deductible for your corporations.

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Speaker 3: So what we want to do is take what is

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Speaker 3: an existing product that I think something like sixty million

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Speaker 3: Americans use with health savings accounts, but we want to

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Speaker 3: make them robust and central to the entire health care operation.

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Speaker 3: So what that means is you would get the tax

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Speaker 3: advantaged as the individual when your employer is funding your

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Speaker 3: health savings accounts, so they would get the tax break,

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Speaker 3: but it would be equal. So if I'm self employed

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Speaker 3: and I put money in the account, it's a tax break.

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Speaker 3: If the employer chooses to give you the money in

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Speaker 3: they get the tax break for that, which means you're

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Speaker 3: getting the benefit. You've got the dollars. Once you've got

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Speaker 3: that money is sitting there in a health savings account,

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Speaker 3: and you can go shop. Now you're on a level

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Speaker 3: playing field. Right now, I need to get my oil changed.

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Speaker 3: There are probably fifty places within ten miles a year

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Speaker 3: But if I call up ATNA and get some representative

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Speaker 3: in Kansas City and they answer the phone, I say,

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Speaker 3: all right, what doctor can I get? They're going to

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Speaker 3: give me a list of like three and a fifty

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Speaker 2: I have very few choices.

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Speaker 3: They're in a corporate environment and you don't have the

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Speaker 3: ability to get their cell phone work with them directly.

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Speaker 3: You have to go through some big website. This allows

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Speaker 3: us to go out and goes shop for both insurance

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Speaker 3: but also importantly direct primary care and other models like

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Speaker 3: health sharing ministries. All of those things would be allowed

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Speaker 3: to be expensive for you and you'd have control.

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Speaker 2: Of the care. Now why does that matter? Last point?

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Speaker 3: If you look at, for example, a knee replacement, and

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Speaker 3: you know this well, right, you go to the hospital

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Speaker 3: and you need your knee replaced, and you say, well,

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Speaker 3: how much is that going to be? And they said, well,

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Speaker 3: that's going to be forty eight thousand dollars, but your

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Speaker 3: insurance will paper x and you're going to pay you

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Speaker 3: fifteen or twenty thousand dollars, But it's fifty thousand bucks.

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Speaker 3: If you go to the surgery Center of Oklahoma, they've

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Speaker 3: got a robust model and they put all their prices

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Speaker 3: the price and it's fourteen five hundred dollars. Now, why

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Speaker 3: is there that difference in price? Because we've propped up

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Speaker 3: and funded this robust system where all of the insurance

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Speaker 3: company and big hospitals and so forth are making the

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Speaker 3: prices go up, and because we've been intertwined Medicare and

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Speaker 3: medicaid into all that. If you want price transparency, give

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Speaker 3: the individuals the money and give them the same tax

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Speaker 3: breaks the corporations get. So they've got it and they

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Speaker 1: To take your example, you're going to have an amazing

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Speaker 1: number of hospitals fight you. I've been an advocate for

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Speaker 1: years of having a transparent pricing system and it's amazing.

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Speaker 1: Virtually every element of the health systems against it. They

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Speaker 1: don't want us to know what we're paying for.

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Speaker 3: And that's because that would actually break the system down. Look,

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Speaker 3: this is part our fault. I represent the Hill Country.

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Speaker 3: Lindon Johnson's ranch is in that district. This goes back

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Speaker 3: and if you go look at nineteen sixty four nineteen

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Speaker 3: sixty five, with the expansion of Medicare and Medicaid, everything

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Speaker 3: that you see with the widening price increases. If you

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Speaker 3: go look at the charts that show private healthcare funding

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Speaker 3: versus government, in nineteen sixty four or five, it was

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Speaker 3: basically ninety five percent private and five percent public, and

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Speaker 3: those lines started converging, and then in the eighties and

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Speaker 3: then into the nineties they started converging more, and then

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Speaker 3: through Obamacare, they've converged almost down to the equal and

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Speaker 3: then now they are fifty percent. It's basically fifty to

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Speaker 3: fifty and what is private is highly regulated. Meanwhile, you've

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Speaker 3: had a what one thousand percent increase in administrators in

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Speaker 3: my lifetime, but meanwhile doctors have stayed the same. That's

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Speaker 3: what you see paperwork, bureaucracy, administration. You don't see doctors

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Speaker 1: And we've noticed, for example, that the tension for the

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Speaker 1: doctors leads to a dramatically higher suicide rate for doctors

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Speaker 1: because they're so conflicted. They go to medical school so

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Speaker 1: they can focus on you and end up in practice

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Speaker 1: and are told to focus on the insurance company or

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Speaker 1: the government bureaucrat.

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Speaker 2: Well, that's exactly right.

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Speaker 3: And most doctors went to medical schools because they just

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Speaker 3: want to provide care. They don't want to have to

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Speaker 3: go fill out forms and checkboxes, which is what they

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Speaker 3: spend half their time doing. And again, we've created that

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Speaker 3: complex maze. And it's not just Obamacare, it's not just

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Speaker 3: Compilation of policies that have added up to this complex system.

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Speaker 3: But meanwhile, insurance companies, and I'll not try to vilify

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Speaker 3: insurance companies, but they're making a significant amount of profit

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Speaker 3: with the government giving them regulatory constraints on any competition.

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Speaker 3: And so when you do try to have competition, you

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Speaker 3: meet resistance. So, for example, health sharing ministries, which are

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Speaker 3: a religious space, but there are some non denominational and

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Speaker 3: there's some secular versions of these two where they allow

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Speaker 3: you to share healthcare prices so you can actually help.

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Speaker 2: Each other out.

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Speaker 3: You put money in a pool, somebody needs a certain procedure,

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Speaker 3: they don't have a thousand bucks, They get it covered,

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Speaker 3: and it's worked quite well to be an affordable way

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Speaker 2: But yet we get.

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Speaker 3: Told state by state, state capital by state capital, oh no,

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Speaker 3: you can't do that. That's insurance, and we need to

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Speaker 3: regulate you like anything you do. To try to break

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Speaker 3: into that so that people can be people and help

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Speaker 3: each other out, either through charity or by allowing actual

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Speaker 3: risk management through true insurance to work. Those get beat down.

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Speaker 3: That's what we have to free up. Healthcare freedom is

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Speaker 3: freeing that stuff up. Allow me to go to the

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Speaker 3: doctor of my choice, Allow me to use tax free capital,

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Speaker 3: allow me to go to health sharing ministries to defray costs,

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Speaker 3: Allow me to get an insurance product that will roll

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Speaker 3: the dice based on my risk portfolio. And yes, we

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Speaker 3: can still have government backstops, but make those as local

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Speaker 3: and make those as tightly focused as possible in local

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Speaker 1: Do you think there has to be federal preemption of

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Speaker 3: I think if you can unwind the federal constraints, which

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Speaker 3: are also problem, but also I think we do have

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Speaker 3: to break down some of the state at least as

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Speaker 3: long as federal dollars are involved, which they're all going

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Speaker 3: to be in our lifetimes, You're going to have to

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Speaker 1: Part of why the so called Mediterranean diet works. They

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Speaker 3: And you feel better. There's a restaurant on Capitol Hill.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that's actually the hardest thing. The easiest

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Speaker 1: That gets back to the whole science because all too

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Speaker 3: Not to beat a drum too much, I am going

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Speaker 3: Right now, we have too many constraints on doctors and

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Speaker 3: With health That is one hundred percent correct, We've got

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Speaker 3: Close to seven trillion dollars in twenty five and about

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Speaker 3: out and go to a direct primary care. I went

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Speaker 3: couple of years back, and there are these guys that

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Speaker 3: were starting it over there because there are musicians and

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Speaker 3: all of these artists in Austin who didn't have healthcare,

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Speaker 3: and they said, look, we're just going to do a

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Speaker 3: DPC model, direct primary care without the insurance company, and

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Speaker 3: people can come in there and get care and it

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Speaker 3: was very well received. I need to go follow up

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Speaker 3: and see how they're doing because they have so many barriers.

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Speaker 3: But to your point, with the budget, we can get

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Speaker 3: serious prices driving down if we will change the system

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Speaker 3: and make it work so we can get savings in

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Speaker 3: Medicare and medicaid. You don't have to change the benefits

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Speaker 3: with the respective Medicare with our retirees, but what we

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Speaker 3: need to do is stretch which what they get with

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Speaker 3: those dollars.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 3: If we do that now, we can get over the

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Speaker 3: next ten years in the budget, we can get all

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Speaker 3: of that down to a place where we can afford

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Speaker 3: it Medicaid, Medicare, and also with veterans' health care as well.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, I have some veterans direct primary

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Speaker 3: carery models and other things to increase competition, which I

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Speaker 3: think are adding some value in it as well.

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Speaker 1: In your model, if you have this dramatically bigger health

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Speaker 1: saves account grant, is that taxable income to the employee

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Speaker 1: or is it outside the tax system.

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Speaker 3: That would be tax free to the individual. So the

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Speaker 3: corporation would take their dollars, they would put it into

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Speaker 3: the health savings account. That health savings account would be

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Speaker 3: tax advantaged to the employer for putting into your account

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Speaker 3: and would not be taxed to you, and the growth

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Speaker 3: on that account would not be taxed. And if you

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Speaker 3: transferred that money to your child, that transfer wouldn't be taxed.

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Speaker 3: Like you would be free to help your family members

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Speaker 3: as well.

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Speaker 1: In terms of helping my grandson, for example, or my daughter.

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Speaker 1: Does that have to be helped towards a health.

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Speaker 2: Problem, Yes, the way we designed it.

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Speaker 3: Of course, you and I both know we can structure

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Speaker 3: however we want to, but yes, we would put it

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Speaker 3: in there so that you could give that to your

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Speaker 3: grandson or your child or whatever. Frankly, the way I

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Speaker 3: originally drafted it, I said, you should be able to

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Speaker 3: do it for anybody. If the veteran down the street

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Speaker 3: needs help, and you have tax advantaged health dollars sitting here,

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Speaker 3: and you've got one hundred thousand saved up, and that

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Speaker 3: veteran needs help, and you want to take twenty thousand

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Speaker 3: and give to that veteran, you ought to be able

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Speaker 3: to slide it over into their account for health benefits

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Speaker 3: as a contribution, and then deduct that as a charitable

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Speaker 3: giving contribution direct to a person on your Street.

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Speaker 1: I suspect that would really work with people who are

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Speaker 1: involved in the various sharing ministries you talked about earlier.

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Speaker 3: That's right, and that would be hugely beneficial for them,

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Speaker 3: so that people can move money around and be able

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Speaker 3: to help individuals out.

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Speaker 2: Because, like most things that occur, the reason.

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Speaker 3: Is so hard to get healthcare reform is because nobody

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Speaker 3: focuses on healthcare prices until it's right in front of them,

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Speaker 3: and then when it's right in front of them, they go, oh,

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Speaker 3: my gosh, well I've been paying for insurance.

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Speaker 2: Isn't it all covered?

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Speaker 3: And then they go look at their insurance policy and

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Speaker 3: they go, well, I've been paying one thousand dollars a

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Speaker 3: month and my employer's been paying two thousand dollars a month,

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Speaker 3: but you still want me to pay twenty six thousand

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Speaker 3: dollars in order to get this service because you know,

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Speaker 3: my son broke his leg and got a car accident.

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Speaker 3: And then people go, what the hell, But that's what

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Speaker 3: we've done. That's not the way it used to be.

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Speaker 3: And by the way, why are most hospitals, or at

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Speaker 3: least they used to be saint fill in the blank.

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Speaker 3: It's because we had a charitable hospital system where churches

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Speaker 3: got together and said, well, we want to help the poor. Well, great,

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Speaker 3: well let's create this because it's part of our charitable effort.

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Speaker 3: We have lost civil society and civil virtue another podcast

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Speaker 3: for another day, because we've corporatized and governmentized everything instead

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Speaker 3: of it being community and civil society and charitable giving based.

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Speaker 1: Oh so, I think the combination of the Trump Revolution,

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Speaker 1: of Robert Kennedy Junior's commitment to making them Mari get

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Speaker 1: healthy again, and the budget crisis. I have a hun

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Speaker 1: much more of your bill is going to become law

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Speaker 1: this year than anybody would have thought passible six months ago.

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Speaker 2: Well, nude, I hope so.

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Speaker 3: And look, I think this is the area where we

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Speaker 3: could truly be transformative in visionary. And a lot of

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Speaker 3: people are just writing off Bobby Kennedy as just being

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Speaker 3: a reflexive big government liberal on some of these programs,

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Speaker 3: and I understand, I mean, I get it, but I

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Speaker 3: think they're missing the truth. I think they're missing the

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Speaker 3: revolution that's occurring. I think they're missing what's happening. People's

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Speaker 3: eyes have been opened. They want freedom, they want control.

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Speaker 3: They're tired of just being told the status quo is

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Speaker 3: what they have to accept, and that includes what they

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Speaker 3: put in their body, in both food and medicine, and

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Speaker 3: it includes the ability to have power to go to

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Speaker 3: the doctor of their choice and not have to sit

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Speaker 3: in line at something of the equivalent of the quality

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Speaker 3: of your post office to go get healthcare through the insurance.

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Speaker 3: They don't want that, and so I think the opportunity

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Speaker 3: is very big right now.

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Speaker 1: I'm going to ask you back in a couple of months,

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Speaker 1: because I do believe you're going to be part of

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Speaker 1: a genuine revolution that leads us to a healthier country,

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Speaker 1: a dramatically less expensive health system, a more health focus system,

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Speaker 1: and in that process we'll be taking giant steps back

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Speaker 1: towards the balanced budget. So you're providing real leadership. Those

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Speaker 1: years you spent working with people like Rick Perry and

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Speaker 1: Brooke Rollins and others, you clearly came out of that

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Speaker 1: as a very innovative thinker and somebody who gets it.

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Speaker 1: And I'm just delighted you could spend time with.

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Speaker 2: Us, always happy to do it.

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Speaker 3: Thanks for always being available to all of us and

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Speaker 3: providing your wisdom and experience. And let's talk soon about

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Speaker 3: this and spending and everything more, God bless.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to my guest representative, Chip Roy. You can

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Speaker 1: get a link to his new report, The Case for

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Speaker 1: Healthcare Freedom on our show page at newtorld dot com.

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