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Speaker 1: Cool Media.

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Speaker 2: Hello Jamie. Here two quick things before we get started. First,

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Speaker 2: before you even start listening to this episode, please go

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Speaker 2: check out the link at the very beginning of this

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Speaker 2: episode of the description to contribute to gofundmes to middle

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Speaker 2: and working class families who have lost their homes in

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Speaker 2: the recent LA fires. Any amount you're able to give

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Speaker 2: is wonderful. I've been giving consistently, and at this time

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Speaker 2: I'm hearing that direct.

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Speaker 3: Financial aid is what is needed. So go check those out.

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Speaker 2: And once you've done that, self plug reminding you that

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Speaker 2: I have tickets on sale for our live show with

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Speaker 2: the Bechdel Cast in San Francisco on next Thursday, January

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Speaker 2: twenty third. We still have a couple of tickets in

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Speaker 2: the description. Our Portland show.

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Speaker 2: Sorry, And with that a very special sixteenth Minute.

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Speaker 3: Six six.

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Speaker 2: Hello, Welcome to sixteenth Minute, the podcast where we usually

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Speaker 2: do other things, but every four episodes or so, something

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Speaker 2: of historical consequence happens and so then we talk about

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Speaker 2: that instead. I'm your host, Jamie Loftus, and usually on

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Speaker 2: this show we take a look at and often speak

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Speaker 2: with the internet's characters of the day and see how

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Speaker 2: their moment affected them and what it says about us

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Speaker 2: and the Internet. And this week, originally we were going

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Speaker 2: to be talking about Haley Welch, the Hawk to a Girl,

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Speaker 2: and we will not today, But I have sixteen thousand

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Speaker 2: will be talking about her for more than one week,

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Speaker 2: I promise. But this week in particular, I wasn't sure

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Speaker 2: episode out in time. I've been sicker than I've been

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Speaker 2: in years, but there's something important that I would like

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Speaker 2: to talk to you about this week, and that is

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Speaker 2: the fires in southern California, where I've lived for the

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Speaker 2: I feel that some of the present coverage of this

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Speaker 2: what I'm trying to do here, I am so grateful

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Speaker 2: to the on the ground reporters who are collecting these

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Speaker 2: crucial accounts of families who have lost their home, their histories.

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Speaker 2: But what I'm trying to do here is zoom ount

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Speaker 2: liberate displaced communities. I'm talking about mutual aid organizers, local

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Speaker 2: crucial public gathering spaces like our public libraries. So if

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Speaker 2: and you're not sure how best to get involved, I

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Speaker 2: hope this is a place to start. But first Jamie's

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Speaker 2: little monologue. Last week, the first week of twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: five wildfires tour across southern California, burning through thousands and

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Speaker 2: at present claimed twenty four lives, with seventeen people still

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Speaker 3: And it's not just one fire.

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Speaker 2: The largest was in the Pacific Palisades and Santa Monica

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Speaker 2: So there was a moment this past Wednesday where there

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Speaker 2: while many wealthy neighborhoods have burned, like the Pacific Palisades

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Speaker 2: And we'll get into that later, but it is important.

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Speaker 2: am tremendously lucky because as I record this, I'm in

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Speaker 2: So we went to Long Beach, about thirty miles south

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Speaker 3: We slept in separate twin.

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Speaker 3: An atomic bomb.

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Speaker 2: But as I sit recording this Monday night, the city

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Speaker 3: Do you know anything about your house?

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Speaker 5: Everything, my kids, school, our community, our neighbors, houses, everything's

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Speaker 3: We were having dinner.

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Speaker 6: It was chaos, but.

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Speaker 3: They you know, to me, it's just it's sad to

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Speaker 7: We built here to just be gone in hours.

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Speaker 8: We want here for today, So we know what happened.

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Speaker 8: And now's our chimney. We're Santa comes in. It's gone.

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Speaker 2: I know a dozen people whose homes and belongings and

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Speaker 2: young kids, and these kids have lost their schools, their libraries,

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Speaker 2: and the most vulnerable communities that are so often treated

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Speaker 3: It's not fair. But that's not how.

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Speaker 2: I have seen this talked about online, and this is

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Speaker 2: But rationally. It's hard to get too angry at any

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Speaker 2: one person when the way that these tragedies are represented

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Speaker 2: I asked my family in Massachusetts, who were checking in

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Speaker 1: Zan this being the home of Hollywood, of course, it's

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Speaker 1: everyday Californians. But they are not only every day Californians

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Speaker 1: that are the victims. Along a fire scarred stretch of Malibu,

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Speaker 1: we met up with Milo vent Emilia, a forty seven

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Speaker 9: Be for Miles Teller, who played a firefighter in Only

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Speaker 9: the Brave. This is all the remains of his Palisades home,

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Speaker 9: the top Gun. Maverick Star and his wife bought the

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Speaker 9: of Billy Crystal's house. This is the place where he

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Speaker 9: raised his children and grandchildren, and now it's gone. But

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Speaker 9: this is also about more than just celebrity. It is

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Speaker 2: People, and it is cruel to mock anyone who has

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Speaker 2: lost their memories and all of their possessions. But with

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Speaker 3: But I can't emphasize enough.

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Speaker 2: Most of my friends who lost their homes were regular people.

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Speaker 2: They didn't live in the Palisades. They lived in the

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Speaker 2: middle class town of Altadena up in the Valley, a

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Speaker 2: Now to mention that Altadena is a very diverse area

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Speaker 2: so much of that is gone. But if you're seeing

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Speaker 2: gleeful posts that the homes of the rich are burning,

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Speaker 2: you're missing the forest for the trees in a huge way.

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Speaker 2: And that's stupid, because the forest and the trees burned down.

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Speaker 2: seen a lot of consideration of who cleans these people's

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Speaker 3: Who are the.

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Speaker 2: Nannies who care for their children that are now out

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Speaker 2: been kept on twenty hour shifts in spite of the

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Speaker 2: danger that these fires present. It's a situation where, even

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Speaker 2: if you're lucky enough to still have your home, if

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Speaker 2: to do? I'd ask you to consider who is fighting

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Speaker 2: to the mainstream this week is that over thirty percent

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Speaker 2: of the firefighters combating this nightmare are incarcerated, people who

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Speaker 3: And many of them are young. I hope.

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Speaker 2: I don't need to tell you what a racket American

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Speaker 2: And this in a state where California quite literally voted

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Speaker 6: The hard work. Yeah, but shout out to those people.

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Speaker 12: So you go from the cell to this right here,

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Speaker 12: And you're coming from prison to this, Like maybe you

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to sixteenth minute, No little jokes today. It's

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Speaker 14: My name's Alyssa Walker.

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Speaker 15: I'm a journalist who writes the newsletter Torch, which has

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Speaker 15: get prepared and take care of their families and check

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Speaker 15: in on loved ones. So I was glad that the

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Speaker 15: schools were closed because at least it sends that message

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Speaker 15: that's very powerful.

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Speaker 2: And I think that this ties into a larger point

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Speaker 2: you made in your most recent piece, where there was

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Speaker 2: just very clunky communication on the city's part on the whole,

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Speaker 2: because I've seen so much black and white debate of

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Speaker 2: like is this a failure of city officials or is

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Speaker 2: it just the inevitable consequence of climate change? And I

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Speaker 2: feel sure the answer is somewhere in the gray area.

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Speaker 2: As such a close observer of city politics, what could

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Speaker 2: have been done better here?

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Speaker 15: So this is where I'll turn to the scientists first

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Speaker 15: instead of that, instead of the politicians. I've been watching

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Speaker 15: the live streams of Daniel swayin cla climate scientists and

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Speaker 15: like a climate messenger, kind of like studies about how

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Speaker 15: we do communication related to these types of disasters. Always

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Speaker 15: a fascinating person to talk to someone I always call when.

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Speaker 14: I have a question. And that's basically what he said.

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Speaker 15: The second part, you know of your thought that this

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Speaker 15: is an unprecedented situation because of the situations we have created,

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Speaker 15: because we worship fossil fuels in the city and this

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Speaker 15: society and this country and this planet, and there's really

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Speaker 15: at a certain point nothing you can do when you're

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Speaker 15: faced with these types of conditions. They kept calling it

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Speaker 15: the perfect storm. That being said, there are a lot

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Speaker 15: of things that we could do. The Palisades fire started

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Speaker 15: in a neighborhood that is in the city of la

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Speaker 15: but it's like tucked up into the mountains of Malibu.

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Speaker 15: We can talk about why it started later. I'm sure

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Speaker 15: they're figuring that out. There's a lot of things to

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Speaker 15: discuss there. But the fact that we are building in

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Speaker 15: areas that need to burn, continue to burn have burned traditionally,

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Speaker 15: creates a catastrophic and dangerous situation for everyone else that

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Speaker 15: lives in the city. And until we want to confront

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Speaker 15: that this.

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Speaker 14: Is going to keep happening.

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Speaker 2: What if the Olympics were happening right now? You ask

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Speaker 2: yourself this every day, as you say.

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Speaker 14: Like I said, it terrifies me.

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Speaker 15: I literally walk around the city every single day and

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Speaker 15: think that I think about it on one hundred and

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Speaker 15: ten degree days when we have like pout major power.

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Speaker 15: You know, I'm at a loss for words right now

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Speaker 15: because it's like, this is kind of the worst thing

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Speaker 15: I ever considered happening while it was happening. But in

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Speaker 15: a way, the thing I'm worried the most about is

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Speaker 15: more people being here. It doesn't sound very considerate of

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Speaker 15: the residents, but like adding millions of tourists to the evacuations,

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Speaker 15: people who don't understand how those alerts come through on

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Speaker 15: their phones, Like do we are we gonna tell people

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Speaker 15: when they land in lax to lax to like download

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Speaker 15: all the different warning systems and the earthquake early warning system.

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Speaker 2: Right, and like introducing more language barriers and just oh

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Speaker 2: my gosh, such a good point.

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Speaker 15: And people staying in hotels that don't have access to cars,

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Speaker 15: and that's the instinct to getting your car and evaccuat.

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Speaker 14: Even though it might not be the best idea.

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Speaker 15: You might need to get out a different way. So actually,

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Speaker 15: what you know, what terrifies me the most is having

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Speaker 15: people who aren't familiar with the city here. That was

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Speaker 15: always in my mind. This is still look for the

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Speaker 15: worst case scenario though. Yeah, I wrote a story for

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Speaker 15: Curved after the Woldy fire with those it's the same

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Speaker 15: images we see every time, just the cars backed up

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Speaker 15: on the pch of people trying.

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Speaker 7: To get out.

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Speaker 15: And that was during the same time as the campfire,

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Speaker 15: which is you remember in Paradise, which is the deadliest

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Speaker 15: fire in Califerni history. Hopefully we do not get close

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Speaker 15: to those numbers here. Many of those deaths were caused

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Speaker 15: by people who were trying to evacuate in their car,

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Speaker 15: who got stuck in traffic trying to get out as

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Speaker 15: the flames were kind of coming too fast. Again a

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Speaker 15: situation where you can't drive fast enough in some of

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Speaker 15: these cases to outrun these fire, these new fires that

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Speaker 15: we've created, and to talk to experts, especially after that fire,

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Speaker 15: saying in the wolseyfire in LA just saying, like, you know,

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Speaker 15: have a bike in your garage, like have another way

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Speaker 15: to get out.

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Speaker 14: Just come up with it.

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Speaker 15: One one alternate that's not a car, because all sorts

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Speaker 15: of things can prevent you from getting out in a car.

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Speaker 15: And when there was evacuation, the evacuation of Hollywood the

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Speaker 15: other night there was the sunset fire that was in

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Speaker 15: Running Canyon.

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Speaker 16: You know, the.

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Speaker 15: Fastest way to get out, we'd have probably been walking

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Speaker 15: down to the Hollywood Highland Metro Station. Trains were running,

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Speaker 15: trains were free, and just put yourself to safety, like

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Speaker 15: just yeah, yet far away as far away as you can.

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Speaker 15: That was not something that our city leaders were promoting.

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Speaker 7: Without the laboring the point.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think about how as you've written about

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Speaker 2: quite a bit that the La Olympics in twenty twenty

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Speaker 2: eight are predicated on, will be a Carliss city by then.

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Speaker 15: What is the likelihood is that actually every venue is

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Speaker 15: actually every venue? Yeah, I mean, it's it's a funny that,

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Speaker 15: Like I said, that was the first thing I thought

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Speaker 15: of when the fire started, when it was very small

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Speaker 15: and you had Steve Gutenberg, you know, out there telling

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Speaker 15: people not to leave their keys in their car when

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Speaker 15: they were abandoning their vehicles because and then they come

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Speaker 15: through with the they came through the bouldo or to

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Speaker 15: move like all these like Porsches and Teslas and Mercedes

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Speaker 15: like get out. I mean, it was very comical in

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Speaker 15: the early moments of the fire, because this is this

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Speaker 15: is our this is how the life we've chosen is.

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Speaker 15: You might have to leave your car behind as you're

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Speaker 15: getting out because you get stuck in traffic. But it's

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Speaker 15: the same issue when I go back to the way

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Speaker 15: we've decided to design our communities right, like, you do

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Speaker 15: need two different ways out.

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Speaker 14: You do need to be able to.

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Speaker 15: Walk to a place where maybe a shuttle can come

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Speaker 15: pick you up and evacuate you safely if you don't

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Speaker 15: have a car. In Altadena, there was there are multiple

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Speaker 15: instances of people who were disabled or who were elderly

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Speaker 15: who were left behind. This is usually what happens in

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Speaker 15: these types of disasters. I believe in the campfire three

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Speaker 15: fourths of the victims where elderly or disabled. In the

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Speaker 15: median age was something like seventy five or something like that.

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Speaker 15: So we have not done a good job with that

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Speaker 15: aspect of our evacuation plan. I mean, yes, we say

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Speaker 15: chicken on your neighbors, get yourself ready, we always say

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Speaker 15: pack the car, But like if you look at other

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Speaker 15: cities that have been through these types of disasters, like

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Speaker 15: New Orleans, they do have like a public evacuation system

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Speaker 15: in place where you're making sure that everyone can get out.

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Speaker 15: And that's I mean, that's what shouldn't happen in a

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Speaker 15: place like Pacific Palisades, right. You just don't imagine that

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Speaker 15: that a wealthy community like that would have deaths because

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Speaker 15: people got left behind.

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Speaker 2: As a journalist, what stories are not being looked at

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Speaker 2: that should be looked at in the mainstream coverage of

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Speaker 2: this event. Who are releading behind? What stories are releading behind?

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Speaker 15: I would love to see more about why people were

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Speaker 15: physically left behind. But really the story they said this

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Speaker 15: morning on the news on Monday morning, I think they

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Speaker 15: said seventeen people were still missing. I hope we won't

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Speaker 15: reach these very high numbers where we have this massive

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Speaker 15: loss of life. But for the most part, we do

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Speaker 15: do an okay job, you know, getting people to safety,

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Speaker 15: but there are these big gaps, and not just you know,

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Speaker 15: the physical of you know, being able to transport people,

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Speaker 15: but the messaging systems. I'm seeing so many different ways

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Speaker 15: that people were told to leave and who told them

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Speaker 15: to leave and who they listened to, and even the

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Speaker 15: risk that people know about when they buy a home,

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Speaker 15: and that many people had moved into places that they

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Speaker 15: didn't fully understand had burned recently. So how can we

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Speaker 15: continue to explain to people how dangerous this is. I

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Speaker 15: think people get earthquake drilled into their head a lot

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Speaker 15: and they think about that a lot. But these are

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Speaker 15: fires that are coming down into neighborhoods sometimes that aren't burning,

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Speaker 15: haven't burned before. So we really need to have a

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Speaker 15: deeper conversation about messaging and disclosures. I guess is in

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Speaker 15: one sense, if you rent to the place, would you

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Speaker 15: know the same way that a homeowner? Did you know

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Speaker 15: what kind of what kind of risk?

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Speaker 3: You read?

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Speaker 15: All these questions I have? Yeah, maybe just like situational

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Speaker 15: awareness about your neighborhood, your particular home. You know, we

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Speaker 15: shouldn't be forced to learn all these things.

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Speaker 14: But this is kind of a new.

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Speaker 15: Reality we all need to face together. If a fire

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Speaker 15: starts tonight, you know, during the second windstorm event, it

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Speaker 15: doesn't really matter where you are in the city. It's

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Speaker 15: not going to be put out right away because the

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Speaker 15: resources are a stretch thin and everything could go up

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Speaker 15: in flance. But just being prepared, talking to your neighbors,

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Speaker 15: getting everything packed up, even if you're going on foot,

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Speaker 15: this is what we have to do. Yeah, well, thank

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Speaker 15: you so much, Thank you, Jamie, Thank you.

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Speaker 2: So much to Alissa, and particularly if you're a local,

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Speaker 2: I highly encourage you to subscribe to her newsletter torched

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Speaker 2: in the description. So my next conversation is with a

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Speaker 2: close colleague and friend of mine named Theo Henderson. And

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Speaker 2: if you don't listen to his show on iHeart Podcasts,

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Speaker 2: you have to get your act together. It's called We

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Speaker 2: the Unhoused, and it began back in twenty nineteen when

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Speaker 2: THEO himself was living on the streets of Los Angeles.

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Speaker 2: These days, he's brought the show to iHeart and continues

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Speaker 2: to be one of the only major platforms where stories

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Speaker 2: about and that concern the unhoused are told and centered

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Speaker 2: around the unhoused. And I was really eager to hear

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Speaker 2: what Theo had been hearing within the unhoused community and

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Speaker 2: how he felt about the media cycle around this climate disaster.

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Speaker 7: Theo Henderson, Hello.

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Speaker 4: Hello, thank you for having me on your show. It's

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Speaker 4: like turn about as by a play.

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Speaker 7: I know the tables have turned.

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Speaker 2: I'm so glad that you're doing all right. This, I mean,

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Speaker 2: just observationally, is another huge example of the mainstream media

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Speaker 2: kind of wing it. So I'm curious, as you've been

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Speaker 2: observing how the coverage of this has been versus the

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Speaker 2: lived reality, what's been on your mind.

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Speaker 4: I've seen some misfires in the communication about the newly

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Speaker 4: displaced and the existing displays of unhoused community members, and

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Speaker 4: how the narrative has been framed. In the beginning, the

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Speaker 4: narrative was framed as they were looking at rich people's homes,

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Speaker 4: which brought out a response where there was a lot

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Speaker 4: of cynicism and sarcasm and a lot of Gallows type

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Speaker 4: of humor, which people took umbrage with because of the

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Speaker 4: fact that anybody can lose, no matter what kind of

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Speaker 4: economic status that they have, can lose things and can

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Speaker 4: feel things. And I think the point was made on

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Speaker 4: the moment was missed is because of the fact that

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Speaker 4: media does what media does, mainstream media in particular, they

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Speaker 4: always try to reach out for the elite or the

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Speaker 4: oligard in the ways we have to feel empathy and

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Speaker 4: sympathy for them. But we missed the point where the

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Speaker 4: people the rich people that are being displaced, there were

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Speaker 4: people that work for rich people that are being displaced.

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Speaker 4: There were rich people, There are people working class people

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Speaker 4: that have to survive, provide the services and all of

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Speaker 4: the accouterments that are necessary for the wealthy to upkeep

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Speaker 4: their lives. But we also miss out on another major

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Speaker 4: incident that when we talk about how marabas Has does

659
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Speaker 4: a duplicious type of service, is that during the cars,

660
00:37:34,239 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 4: during all of the panic and the chaos and the

661
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:40,279
Speaker 4: pandemonium was going, they were sweet still being held. There

662
00:37:40,320 --> 00:37:44,640
Speaker 4: were sweeps being on simultaneously and the same day on

663
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,839
Speaker 4: the same time, where people were being asked to move.

664
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Speaker 4: Whether it's spot clean or whether it was a deep

665
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,200
Speaker 4: intensive or whether it was the way of just forcibly

666
00:37:53,239 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 4: removing on house people from areas when a such a

667
00:37:57,160 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 4: volatile situation was occurring. They're still coming at every Thursday.

668
00:38:00,680 --> 00:38:04,239
Speaker 4: They come sweep on house people every Thursday. It's just

669
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Speaker 4: so much that many unhoused people's self ef thatt it

670
00:38:07,440 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 4: is when I was on housed, I briefly stay here,

671
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 4: but the antipathy against unhoused people here is so strong,

672
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:18,840
Speaker 4: and they hide it with political correctness, and they don't

673
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,760
Speaker 4: really you don't really see the veil come off unless

674
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:24,719
Speaker 4: you are really entrenched in it and you are impacted.

675
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,280
Speaker 2: All of the immediate coverage went to these wealthy people,

676
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:31,400
Speaker 2: which is the media's tendency, and also just like those

677
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:37,200
Speaker 2: discordant any solidarity to the working class that makes LA work.

678
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 2: I haven't seen anything about, you know, the domestic workers

679
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 2: in the palis Ades. I haven't seen anything about you know,

680
00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,279
Speaker 2: the weaighte staff that works in this area, people who

681
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:49,880
Speaker 2: may not have lost their homes but definitely lost their jobs.

682
00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:52,640
Speaker 2: And I mean there's just such a wide gradient in

683
00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,000
Speaker 2: a way that I feel like minimizes the issue and

684
00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 2: makes it seem like, oh good, these rich people lost

685
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,960
Speaker 2: their homes, Because are all of these people, I mean

686
00:39:02,040 --> 00:39:06,520
Speaker 2: thousands of people who are either newly housing, insecure or

687
00:39:06,600 --> 00:39:11,160
Speaker 2: unhoused themselves now overnight. I feel like it really just

688
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:15,319
Speaker 2: further demonstrates that this could happen to anyone. Everyone is

689
00:39:15,520 --> 00:39:20,040
Speaker 2: far closer to being unhoused than they think. But in

690
00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 2: the media, I've noticed that there's a clear delineation between well,

691
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,320
Speaker 2: they were housed last week, so we don't need to

692
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:29,400
Speaker 2: treat them like we do unhoused people in the media.

693
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Speaker 4: That's the agual conversation point that we have is that

694
00:39:33,760 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 4: for example, the worthy un housed and the unworthy on house.

695
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 4: You see, the narrative has been always put out because

696
00:39:40,640 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 4: which is why the unintended consequences always is. I guess

697
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 4: it is oxymoronic if you want to be being really clear,

698
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:51,960
Speaker 4: is the fact that the narrative has always been pushed

699
00:39:51,960 --> 00:39:56,319
Speaker 4: about unhoused people are drug addicted, mentally ill, they don't

700
00:39:56,360 --> 00:40:00,600
Speaker 4: want help. It's it's effective because it turns the working

701
00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 4: class that could be an ally to you against you.

702
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:06,959
Speaker 4: Now we have to sift through all of the misinformation,

703
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 4: but also sift through what the apparatus that's in place

704
00:40:11,480 --> 00:40:14,240
Speaker 4: that when we talk about houselessness, when we talk about

705
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 4: housing insecurity, we must be honest with our communities and

706
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 4: what are different walks of life to understand that this

707
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,960
Speaker 4: is a declear example of climate exchange. I want to

708
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 4: point out one more thing about climate change as well.

709
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Speaker 4: Climate injustice is what is going on and the first

710
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 4: line of defensive people that are affected, the frontline workers

711
00:40:35,840 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 4: are unhoused people. You know, many people could put on

712
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:42,760
Speaker 4: a mask, But the mask is still not necessarily effective

713
00:40:42,880 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 4: enough if you're sitting in a stationery position outside on

714
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 4: the street, where there's debris, where there's falling ash, where

715
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 4: there's breathing metals and all of the other things that

716
00:40:53,160 --> 00:40:57,400
Speaker 4: are going on. It only gives you a certain rescipite

717
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 4: if you're going into maybe another layer of protection, like

718
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 4: you can go into a building, close the door and

719
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,680
Speaker 4: not be able to ingest that for it maybe a

720
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 4: temporary period of time. But can unhouse people do that

721
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:13,080
Speaker 4: on a sustaining level. No, not particularly. There are not

722
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 4: enough shelters. There are not enough places where they can

723
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 4: be able to find a respite. On the weekend, like Sunday,

724
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 4: the libraries are closed, so where they're going to go.

725
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Speaker 16: You know?

726
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 4: So I think we there is so much of the

727
00:41:26,320 --> 00:41:31,080
Speaker 4: environmental issues to be considered. I personally, it affects me,

728
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:33,240
Speaker 4: like but I got affected with all of the asking

729
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:38,879
Speaker 4: my damn. I But yeah, like the breathing quality, It's

730
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 4: like when I was out living when they have brush fires,

731
00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:44,239
Speaker 4: it is very difficult to try to sleep, and it's

732
00:41:44,360 --> 00:41:46,720
Speaker 4: very difficulty if you have health issues. I have health issues.

733
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 4: It affects my my chart. It affects my breathing. So

734
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Speaker 4: I know I'm not the only one. I know I'm

735
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 4: not the only unhused person that has other medical issues

736
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,880
Speaker 4: that have to contend with where there maybe having people

737
00:41:59,280 --> 00:42:02,239
Speaker 4: that may have medical issues and other issues that they're

738
00:42:02,280 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 4: in a house environment to be able to get the

739
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 4: appropriate medical care. Many in house people missed that they

740
00:42:07,920 --> 00:42:09,440
Speaker 4: still state type of services.

741
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Speaker 2: I know you speak to this every week on Webian House,

742
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,680
Speaker 2: which I'm going to plug the hell out of throughout

743
00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 2: this show.

744
00:42:18,800 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 7: How you know this is a.

745
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 2: California example of the of a house people being on

746
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:25,320
Speaker 2: the front lines of climate injustice.

747
00:42:25,400 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 7: But you cover stories like this all the time.

748
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:30,080
Speaker 2: I mean, you've talked about Florida and North Carolina and

749
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,760
Speaker 2: these are problems that aren't going to go away.

750
00:42:34,440 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 4: Well also too that climate change affects us maybe a

751
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,040
Speaker 4: little bit a different lead. They have a different recipe

752
00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:43,000
Speaker 4: because we're dealing with brush fires. But I also want

753
00:42:43,040 --> 00:42:45,480
Speaker 4: to point out the climate changes that are going on

754
00:42:45,680 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 4: in the Midwest and the colder places where there are

755
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:53,160
Speaker 4: migrant on house families are living out in in elements

756
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,440
Speaker 4: it's very cold. We're going to get a cold snap

757
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 4: coming up very soon. So on house people here are

758
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,879
Speaker 4: going to be dealing with that issue. But I also

759
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,799
Speaker 4: want to point out most hypothermic depths are usually here

760
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:08,759
Speaker 4: in California, but particularly because I believe most when I

761
00:43:08,800 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 4: was in the house in Chicago and those Midwest places,

762
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 4: they do have places where warming centers and things, and

763
00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 4: California does, and Los Angeles in particular does a very

764
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:23,239
Speaker 4: piss for job and getting the word out creating services

765
00:43:23,280 --> 00:43:26,480
Speaker 4: to get vans or trolleys or things of that nature

766
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:30,279
Speaker 4: to get unhouse people to and fro places and have

767
00:43:30,520 --> 00:43:32,600
Speaker 4: it may be a commiss you kind of are kind

768
00:43:32,600 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 4: of warming centers where there's not stringent requirements for them

769
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,480
Speaker 4: to be in places that I think that's where one

770
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 4: of the things that many of the things that Los

771
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,560
Speaker 4: Angeles misses demark on during the season, there are various

772
00:43:46,600 --> 00:43:50,520
Speaker 4: stages of climate injustice and incidents that are happening to

773
00:43:50,640 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 4: unhouse people.

774
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Speaker 2: The answers to this, I know will be fairly obvious,

775
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:57,520
Speaker 2: but for the sake of asking it, what is the

776
00:43:57,520 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 2: City of Los Angeles and the state, by extension, what

777
00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:04,520
Speaker 2: should they be doing for unhoused and housing insecure folks

778
00:44:04,600 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 2: right now that they are not doing?

779
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 4: We need another eviction and rent more moratorium. The second

780
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 4: thing is that we need is another facilities opened up

781
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 4: that are extended for unhoused people to have a sustained

782
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:22,279
Speaker 4: place to live, may hotels, but also places where we

783
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 4: can be able to get unhoused people inside. And in

784
00:44:25,160 --> 00:44:29,040
Speaker 4: two we need to upgrade our medical facilities because again

785
00:44:29,760 --> 00:44:32,440
Speaker 4: unhoused people, you're going to see many more. It's going

786
00:44:32,480 --> 00:44:35,719
Speaker 4: to be an uptick of medical emergencies, particularly probably from

787
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 4: unhoused people, because they're going to be in sustained environmentively

788
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:43,759
Speaker 4: disastrous kind of areas. There was an unhoused person that

789
00:44:43,840 --> 00:44:47,440
Speaker 4: I was in contact with that was impacted. They voluntarily

790
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 4: evacuated because the area that they were at was starting

791
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 4: to burn and so they had to leave because they

792
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:56,680
Speaker 4: were in hiding. And why were they in hiding. It's

793
00:44:56,719 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 4: because of the aggressiveness of the Grands past that and

794
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:02,759
Speaker 4: then the forty one eighteen kind of things.

795
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Speaker 2: Just for listener clarity, I know we talk about this

796
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:10,080
Speaker 2: every single day. What is Grant's past for those who

797
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:10,719
Speaker 2: are not in the.

798
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Speaker 4: Know, Yes, well, you know, as you know, Jay, I

799
00:45:13,640 --> 00:45:16,560
Speaker 4: know it exasperates everybody, but I've been on the book box.

800
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, No get back on the subdox.

801
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:20,239
Speaker 7: This is the time.

802
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:25,960
Speaker 4: So well, I'm going to do a very quick synopsis

803
00:45:26,000 --> 00:45:27,719
Speaker 4: because I can go in on and on on like

804
00:45:27,760 --> 00:45:30,400
Speaker 4: I'm on a pool pill. So the launch. In short

805
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:32,840
Speaker 4: of it, what Grant's Past is done is given the

806
00:45:32,920 --> 00:45:38,160
Speaker 4: right for state city workers and leaders to criminalize unhoused

807
00:45:38,200 --> 00:45:42,600
Speaker 4: people without any solutions, without any kind of appropriate follow

808
00:45:42,680 --> 00:45:45,360
Speaker 4: up to get them off the streets. In short, it

809
00:45:45,520 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 4: is basically they have to write it they see an

810
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:51,319
Speaker 4: unhoused person to put them in jail or do other

811
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:56,799
Speaker 4: criminalized ticket them, or make themselves evict or evict them

812
00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 4: from the area. Because many of the cities would use

813
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:03,640
Speaker 4: that as the rallying cry or the whipping poles to

814
00:46:03,880 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 4: justify that. They claim that they couldn't do anything because

815
00:46:07,040 --> 00:46:09,840
Speaker 4: the state is giving the and how so many rights

816
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 4: or you hear Heaven forbid that on house people between

817
00:46:13,120 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 4: like human beings instead of the detriatis that they want

818
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 4: to treat them as. So Grant's Past is the vehicle

819
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 4: that is used to justify different horristic examples. One of

820
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,120
Speaker 4: the things that I do think too, we were making

821
00:46:27,160 --> 00:46:29,959
Speaker 4: a very good point too about with COVID about where

822
00:46:30,000 --> 00:46:32,520
Speaker 4: one shelter had one hundred percent of the entire staff

823
00:46:32,560 --> 00:46:35,240
Speaker 4: and residents had COVID because they were bunched in together.

824
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,640
Speaker 4: But also one of the improving things that I think

825
00:46:38,840 --> 00:46:42,120
Speaker 4: encouraging is that and this is not from the city,

826
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 4: but I noticed from our citizenry the mutual aid response.

827
00:46:47,160 --> 00:46:50,040
Speaker 4: I think that was the perfect proving ground or the

828
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 4: perfect testing ground and case and a point that I

829
00:46:52,600 --> 00:46:54,840
Speaker 4: want to point out, and I've been interviewing some of

830
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,799
Speaker 4: the neutral eight groups myself that stating some of the

831
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:03,240
Speaker 4: city leaders are asked for resources from the mutual groups.

832
00:47:03,440 --> 00:47:05,759
Speaker 4: We've been asking for the assistance the city is what

833
00:47:05,800 --> 00:47:09,000
Speaker 4: they always do is throw money at the problem for

834
00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 4: criminalization or propaganda propaganda campaign to delineate or to blame

835
00:47:17,080 --> 00:47:19,600
Speaker 4: the victims for their problems, but in the same on

836
00:47:19,719 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 4: the certain turf token that they want service this from us.

837
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Speaker 2: That is I think one of the major positive takeaways

838
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 2: of the last week is I feel like it's proven

839
00:47:30,000 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 2: time and time again, and I think we saw this

840
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 2: during COVID as well, is when times are horrible, it

841
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,320
Speaker 2: is human instinct to come together and want to provide support.

842
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:45,879
Speaker 2: I'm curious how you have seen the mutual aids sort

843
00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 2: of roll out, but how do we sustain it? You know,

844
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 2: I mean I worry about flashing the pan moments and

845
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 2: then and then I'll fall off.

846
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,320
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, that's one of the legitimate concern One of

847
00:47:56,400 --> 00:47:58,799
Speaker 4: the things that I noticed when I first started my

848
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 4: podcast during the time hy pandemic, everyone was concerned. Everyone

849
00:48:04,040 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 4: wanted to dial in to understand about houselessness and housing

850
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 4: and security because they realized on that clear example that

851
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:14,399
Speaker 4: they were on their way out on the street, there

852
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 4: were some that were on this way on street. But

853
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 4: also it also created a sense of bond hominge or

854
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:24,040
Speaker 4: a sense of empathy that is fleeting. And one of

855
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,360
Speaker 4: the things that I've noticed on what really irritates is

856
00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:30,440
Speaker 4: why there was such a generation of gallows humor and

857
00:48:30,520 --> 00:48:34,440
Speaker 4: starcasm about this current situation is because of the flashing

858
00:48:34,480 --> 00:48:38,839
Speaker 4: the plan or the spotty kind of empathy that it is.

859
00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,720
Speaker 4: It's like, one of the things that we need is frankly,

860
00:48:41,840 --> 00:48:45,799
Speaker 4: most mutual aids need now is money, because this is

861
00:48:45,920 --> 00:48:50,000
Speaker 4: a problem that's going to have unintended consequences. There was

862
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 4: a recent article that was talking about people are competing

863
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 4: now that had would recently house and trying to find housing. Now,

864
00:48:58,120 --> 00:49:00,359
Speaker 4: I want you to consider for a moment, looking into

865
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,040
Speaker 4: the vista on what this is going to look like

866
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 4: for the newly unhoused. They are now going to be

867
00:49:05,640 --> 00:49:08,879
Speaker 4: susceptible to Grant's pass. They're now going to be susceptible

868
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:11,759
Speaker 4: to being swept. They're now going to be susceptible to

869
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Speaker 4: forty one eighteen. Because the money is going to only

870
00:49:14,320 --> 00:49:17,359
Speaker 4: sustain terminal one that lived on the house and had

871
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 4: to go through the steps before I became completely unhoused.

872
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:23,759
Speaker 4: You're going to be on this hamster wheel that you

873
00:49:23,840 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 4: won't be able to get off unless you have some

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Speaker 4: kind of community organized support to be able to get

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Speaker 4: you out of that and to sustain you when you

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Speaker 4: are not financially at the best place, or you're going

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Speaker 4: to end up falling through the cracks like many of

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Speaker 4: the young house currently are. And you're going to see

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Speaker 4: the effects on how the city has very limited empathy

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Speaker 4: or sympathy towards your condition, even though you've gone through

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Speaker 4: the pandemic or you've gone through the fires. We're going

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Speaker 4: to see more of that. We're going to see more

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Speaker 4: of the politician is going to come in and look

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Speaker 4: at unhoused trying to hope with the stresses and traumas

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Speaker 4: of losing everything and trying to use the coping mechanisms

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Speaker 4: that they can, and they're going to make a video

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Speaker 4: and make it sound like this is where your money

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Speaker 4: is going. They're coddling on house people they don't want

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Speaker 4: help and things like that, and then now we're going

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Speaker 4: to be faced in the same hostile kinds of response

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Speaker 4: to the houseless crisis.

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Speaker 7: Is there anything I didn't ask that you wanted to

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Speaker 7: touch on?

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Speaker 4: Also to really lean into the mutual aids start financially

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Speaker 4: being much more sustainable in helping the unhoused currently as

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Speaker 4: well as the enduring on housed as well as well

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Speaker 4: as looking at TO and both of our podcasts and

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Speaker 4: learning more of the matter because I'm going to be

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Speaker 4: covering the fires as well and the multitude of different

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Speaker 4: responses that I've heard, and I wanted to be able

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Speaker 4: to say that thank you, thank.

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Speaker 2: You so much to the amazing THEO Henderson, and please

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Speaker 2: which is definitely something to keep your eye on. And

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to sixteenth minute with more interviews with the

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Speaker 2: folks who are shedding light on those who aren't being

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Speaker 2: centered in these conversations about the Southern California fires. My

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Speaker 2: next conversation is with the executive director, operations manager, and

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Speaker 2: volunteer coordinator with an unhoused nonprofit coalition in my neighborhood

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Speaker 2: called SILA. Sarah Maybe and Rachel are such wonderful people,

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Speaker 2: and as they are very experienced organizers, I wanted to

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Speaker 2: ask them what this week has been like with increased

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Speaker 2: demand for services and how they would advise new organizers

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Speaker 2: who want to get involved. Here's our talk.

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Speaker 10: Hey, everybody, my name is Maybe, the operations manager for CELA,

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Speaker 10: and my pronouns are she her, and they them.

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Speaker 16: Hi.

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Speaker 13: My name is Sarah Mayis. I'm the executive director of

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Speaker 13: sela neighborhood homeless coalition, and my pronouns are she her.

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Speaker 2: We're recording this interview on the afternoon of Monday the thirteenth,

924
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Speaker 2: and I know it has been a very heartening and

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Speaker 2: also chaotic weekend over at CELA. How's everybody doing.

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Speaker 3: Good?

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Speaker 13: Can you tell by our silence we're good. I'll let

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Speaker 13: I'll let everyone else speak to about to their mental

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Speaker 13: health and energy. But I think we are. We're overwhelmed

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Speaker 13: and in all the best possible ways. But yeah, overall good, Yeah,

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Speaker 13: do it.

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Speaker 10: All right, both physically and emotionally, recovering from the past

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Speaker 10: few days.

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Speaker 14: I definitely feel similarly.

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Speaker 17: Something that I know all of us are feeling that

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Speaker 17: I think speaks to how much I love everybody here

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Speaker 17: is that we all are dealing with our own personal

938
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Speaker 17: anxieties with fire and our own homes and our friends' homes,

939
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Speaker 17: and that we're all still able to come together and

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Speaker 17: focus on each other is beautiful and also of course tiring.

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Speaker 14: But we all have so much support.

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Speaker 2: For those listening who are uninitiated. What does a normal

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Speaker 2: week look like at CELA in terms of mission and programs,

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Speaker 2: and then we'll talk about what has been adjusted and

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Speaker 2: expanded in the past week.

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Speaker 13: Absolutely so. Our vision statement at SELA Neighborhood Homeless Coalition

947
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Speaker 13: is a community where every neighbor thrives. That's sort of

948
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Speaker 13: what we're working towards, is this ideal community where homelessness

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Speaker 13: is not something that we're confronting, because everyone has a

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Speaker 13: home and the resources they need to thrive in their

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Speaker 13: world in their lives. We do that by activating a

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Speaker 13: coalition of participants and sister organizations and working in lockstep

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Speaker 13: with social services and city services to host a couple

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Speaker 13: of different program types. So first and foremost, we have

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Speaker 13: our drop in programs at the Silver Lake in Silver

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Speaker 13: Lake in Hollywood and in Echo Park. Those drop in

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Speaker 13: programs are every single week, and they provide things like

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Speaker 13: bike repair and ID support and meals, and some of

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Speaker 13: them have movie screenings. But really fundamentally, what they are

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Speaker 13: is a place for people to come and be in

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Speaker 13: community and know that just because they are existing without

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Speaker 13: homes at this moment, that does not make them anything

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Speaker 13: other than our neighbors and valued members of our community.

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Speaker 13: And those are our drop in programs. Our outreach programs

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Speaker 13: run in tandem with many of our drop in programs. Again,

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Speaker 13: those happen multiple times every single week across Northeast LA,

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Speaker 13: and we do things by starting with material aid, like

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Speaker 13: handing out water bottles at encampments. Right now, we're doing masks.

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Speaker 13: We can talk about some of our emergency response a

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Speaker 13: little bit later, but handing out meals handing out harm

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Speaker 13: reduction supplies and getting to know people and really truly

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Speaker 13: fundamentally listening to what is the experience of our neighbors

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Speaker 13: who are living on the street and what is it

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Speaker 13: that they need, and educating our house neighbors and elevating

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Speaker 13: the voices of our unhoused neighbors to make sure that

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Speaker 13: we're all working in unison to create that community where

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Speaker 13: every neighbor thrives.

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Speaker 2: You're such a well oiled machine of being able to

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Speaker 2: show up, not to show up for your own house neighbors,

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Speaker 2: but also build sustaining relationships, build connections in the neighborhood

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Speaker 2: that can assist your unhoused neighbors, whether that be medical

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Speaker 2: or veterinary services, whether that be social services, whether that

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Speaker 2: be connecting with transportation or caseworkers, or whatever.

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Speaker 7: The need may be.

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Speaker 2: In a situation like this last week, where all of

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Speaker 2: a sudden there is a new population of people who

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Speaker 2: are either housing insecure or houseless, what was it like

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Speaker 2: as sort of the leaders of this organization of figuring

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Speaker 2: out how do we respond to this and how do

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Speaker 2: we expand on the programs and systems we arelready have

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Speaker 2: in place.

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Speaker 10: You know, I think one of the things that helped

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Speaker 10: us to be prepared for something that was not necessarily

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Speaker 10: immediately foreseeable is the fact that we do this week

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Speaker 10: in week out, year round, year after year. So our

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Speaker 10: organization exists to respond to people in crisis. And so

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Speaker 10: given that, you know, I feel like we were just

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Speaker 10: a little more prepared than you know, somebody who doesn't

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Speaker 10: work with a volunteer organization or is not immediately familiar with,

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Speaker 10: you know, working with people who are neighbors in crisis.

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Speaker 10: So because we already had our programs in place, we

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Speaker 10: basically had to adapt our existing programs to meet the

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Speaker 10: conditions of the day. And so, you know, we had

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Speaker 10: our Wednesday program. At first, we thought about canceling the

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Speaker 10: program because you know, we were nervous about having our

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Speaker 10: volunteers have to be outside, nervous about our participants having

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Speaker 10: to be outside during these you know, this these smoky conditions.

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Speaker 10: So basically we ended up adapting the program. We brought

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Speaker 10: it inside, and we open it up to the entire community.

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Speaker 10: Anybody that needed to come in to charge their devices

1011
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Speaker 10: if their power was out, if they're housed, or if

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Speaker 10: they needed to just get out of the smoky air,

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Speaker 10: basically just opening it up to everybody. So a lot

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Speaker 10: of adaptation, but because we already have systems in place,

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Speaker 10: it was we were able to adapt to the situation.

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Speaker 9: You know.

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Speaker 10: One of the other things is, you know, we've been

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Speaker 10: overwhelmed in such a positive way, with so many people

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Speaker 10: wanting to help in so many different kinds of ways,

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Speaker 10: whether that be through material donations or through volunteering, and

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Speaker 10: so I think even just you know, having to figure

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Speaker 10: out how to utilize in a very quick manner, how

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Speaker 10: to effectively take in these donations and you know, empower

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Speaker 10: volunteers to be able to take action, which I think

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Speaker 10: Rachel you can probably speak about that.

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Speaker 2: I know that there was already sort of a huge

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Speaker 2: influx of volunteers late in the year, and now I

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Speaker 2: would imagine that there's no other wave of volunteers. How

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Speaker 2: as a volunteer coordinator do you make that work with

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think, like the beautiful problem of so

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Speaker 2: many people who want to help.

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Speaker 17: Yes, the energy is so it feels so monumental, and

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Speaker 17: I think everybody feels how important this moment is. Of course,

1034
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Speaker 17: we've all been working with our neighbors in this capacity,

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Speaker 17: like maybe just said, but you can feel the the

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Speaker 17: it's just everything so compounded. You can feel the urgency

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Speaker 17: that people have. And so one of the things that

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Speaker 17: we had to figure out right away is you spoke

1039
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Speaker 17: to the well oiled machine nature of everything. And part

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Speaker 17: of that has been, like there's a sign up process.

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Speaker 14: We've figured out.

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Speaker 17: Roles that are very specifically needed, and we make sure

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Speaker 17: there's shifts for those roles. And we kind of had

1044
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Speaker 17: to change that in the moment where it was just

1045
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Speaker 17: our doors are open, if you can help, come here.

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Speaker 17: We'll figure out what that help looks like when you're here.

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Speaker 17: And so it was sending out a lot of mass

1048
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Speaker 17: communication by our emails, via our Instagram, texting people I know,

1049
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Speaker 17: maybe brought some friends to join that they can speak

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Speaker 17: more to. And it was literally things as specific as

1051
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Speaker 17: figuring out what is inaccessible on our website because I

1052
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Speaker 17: know so many people are on the website, and it

1053
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Speaker 17: was just making it so that anybody knew that they

1054
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Speaker 17: could just show up. And then part of that in

1055
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Speaker 17: real time, when you're welcoming people to join you, you

1056
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Speaker 17: have to give them everybody space in the communication and

1057
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Speaker 17: the guidance to figure out what being on site looks

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Speaker 17: like in this emergency.

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Speaker 14: So that was letting.

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Speaker 17: People know when they got here, Hey, we just had

1061
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Speaker 17: a bunch of people come to move these supplies. We're

1062
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Speaker 17: kind of figuring out our next move. We don't know

1063
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Speaker 17: what it is yet, can you just be here? And

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Speaker 17: people were so willing to just be there and figure

1065
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Speaker 17: out what the next steps were, and our volunteers, our participants,

1066
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Speaker 17: our community decides how this organization moves forward. And so

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Speaker 17: I think it was a really important opportunity for us

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Speaker 17: all to be in a physical space with our usual

1069
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Speaker 17: volunteer base and all of our neighbors and folks who

1070
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Speaker 17: are coming from all over LA to figure out together

1071
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Speaker 17: what does that look like. So that looks like putting

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Speaker 17: on Instagram, Hey, we need to find somewhere that can

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Speaker 17: take these supplies because we don't have the space or

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Speaker 17: we can't distribute it efficiently. And giving people space to

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Speaker 17: come into our community and tell us what needs to

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Speaker 17: be done and where things need to go. Between the

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Speaker 17: three of us, I think we've all spoken to like

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Speaker 17: hundreds of people in the last few days, and so

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Speaker 17: there's the really logical part of responding to every message

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Speaker 17: as much as we can, putting out mass communications as

1081
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Speaker 17: much as we can, and just letting people know that

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Speaker 17: even if they're not able to sign up for a

1083
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Speaker 17: specific sealer shift right away. For example, we opened up

1084
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Speaker 17: shifts into February and March, which we normally wouldn't do yet,

1085
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Speaker 17: just to welcome this influx of people and let them

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Speaker 17: know that this is going to be an ongoing need.

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Speaker 17: We've been here for a long time, We're going to

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Speaker 17: continue to be here, and letting them know that we

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Speaker 17: want them here. This isn't the only way for them

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Speaker 17: to support their neighbors. Yes, of course we want them

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Speaker 17: out a shift where they're distributing water bottles and masks,

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Speaker 17: like Sarah said, but they could also go outside and

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Speaker 17: do that right now if they have the resources and

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Speaker 17: feel safe to. And so just creating a place where

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Speaker 17: we let people know that this feeling of community support

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Speaker 17: that they are feeling and that they know. I think

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Speaker 17: it's so amazing that they knew to come to Sila,

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Speaker 17: that we've been able to build that community. They know

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Speaker 17: we're here, but reminding them that this is happening all

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Speaker 17: the time, and so that energy they feel there's always

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Speaker 17: going to be a place for them to plug into

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Speaker 17: their community, and just creating as much of an open

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Speaker 17: door and as much of a space for education as

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Speaker 17: we can.

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Speaker 2: How do we kind of harness this energy, this inherent

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Speaker 2: goodness to people and you know, extend it to educate

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Speaker 2: them on these issues are ongoing and turn it into

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Speaker 2: sustained work.

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Speaker 10: You Know, something that I've been thinking about a lot,

1110
01:01:58,320 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 10: a lot over the past few days is it's been

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01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:05,240
Speaker 10: really empowering to see so many community members, folks who

1112
01:02:05,280 --> 01:02:08,919
Speaker 10: may have never volunteered for anything at all previously, they

1113
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 10: see this crisis very prominently happening in their community, and

1114
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:16,840
Speaker 10: it's neighbors saying I need to take action. I want

1115
01:02:16,880 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 10: to do something to contribute to relieving the suffering of

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01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,400
Speaker 10: my fellow neighbors. And that's really what this is about.

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Speaker 10: And that's what gives me a lot of hope and

1118
01:02:25,720 --> 01:02:30,480
Speaker 10: humanity throughout this crisis. Like it's a horrible, awful situation,

1119
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Speaker 10: but you know, this beautiful silver lining of actually seeing

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Speaker 10: people come together, and I just hope that people recognize

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Speaker 10: and I've been trying to share the message that this

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Speaker 10: isn't just about dropping off bottles of water. This isn't

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Speaker 10: just about dropping off snacks or you know, cleaning out

1124
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Speaker 10: your closet to drop off for folks. This is something

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Speaker 10: that's going to be an ongoing need. It's going to

1126
01:02:55,520 --> 01:02:57,560
Speaker 10: be an ongoing need in the short term and in

1127
01:02:57,600 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 10: the long term, just in terms of the kinds of

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Speaker 10: resources that people are going to need who have been

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Speaker 10: immediately impacted by the fires, and people who were already

1130
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:10,880
Speaker 10: experiencing homelessness and who are also being impacted by the

1131
01:03:10,920 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 10: fires in an environmental manner. So I just hope that

1132
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Speaker 10: the energy keeps up, and I hope that you know,

1133
01:03:16,760 --> 01:03:19,640
Speaker 10: people who have signed up to volunteer or you know,

1134
01:03:19,720 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 10: want to be at a drop in shelter or want

1135
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,960
Speaker 10: to be at a donation center. I just want everyone

1136
01:03:26,000 --> 01:03:27,720
Speaker 10: to know that that is going to be something that

1137
01:03:27,880 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 10: there is going to be a need for for the

1138
01:03:29,920 --> 01:03:33,240
Speaker 10: foreseeable future. You know, we were talking to one of

1139
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Speaker 10: our program directors, you might know him Jamie. His name's Grant.

1140
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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm going to carry that guy.

1141
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:42,800
Speaker 10: And one of the things that you know, he brought

1142
01:03:42,840 --> 01:03:45,440
Speaker 10: up this great point that you know, people who have

1143
01:03:45,600 --> 01:03:48,280
Speaker 10: just lost their homes, they don't need a new wardrobe

1144
01:03:48,360 --> 01:03:50,320
Speaker 10: right now. That's something that they're going to be needing

1145
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:53,880
Speaker 10: months down the road as they're beginning to resecure their housing.

1146
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Speaker 10: So just keeping in mind the kinds of donations that

1147
01:03:56,480 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 10: you're donating, and also just keeping in mind that you

1148
01:03:59,600 --> 01:04:01,960
Speaker 10: can help as a volunteer at a lot of these

1149
01:04:02,080 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 10: organizations such as CELA, but certainly not limited to CELA

1150
01:04:06,680 --> 01:04:11,120
Speaker 10: for the foreseeable future, and even once this disaster is

1151
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 10: totally recovered from, there's still going to be a need

1152
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:16,880
Speaker 10: to help your neighbors. So there's always a way that

1153
01:04:16,920 --> 01:04:19,640
Speaker 10: you can make your community better just by bringing other

1154
01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:21,320
Speaker 10: people into community with you.

1155
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Speaker 13: My hope too, is that people see in this the

1156
01:04:25,560 --> 01:04:29,280
Speaker 13: power that they have. Right you talk about Cela's response,

1157
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Speaker 13: and the best part about CELA is that we have

1158
01:04:32,280 --> 01:04:35,640
Speaker 13: almost six hundred volunteers. Like, when you're talking about Cela's response,

1159
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Speaker 13: this is not a coordinated response of a large government

1160
01:04:39,440 --> 01:04:42,800
Speaker 13: entity or service provider, right, Like, what you're talking about

1161
01:04:42,840 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 13: is the fact that basically SEALA is just a conduit.

1162
01:04:45,960 --> 01:04:49,439
Speaker 13: SELA is just a place for everyday neighbors to hit

1163
01:04:49,480 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 13: their ceiling. What is it you're willing to do, What

1164
01:04:51,640 --> 01:04:53,880
Speaker 13: is it you want to do? How much would you

1165
01:04:54,000 --> 01:04:56,160
Speaker 13: like to have an impact on your community? We are

1166
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Speaker 13: a tool through which you can do that. But really

1167
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Speaker 13: it's like what makes CELA sealas the fact that Cela

1168
01:05:00,960 --> 01:05:02,960
Speaker 13: is just a bunch of neighbors who are getting together,

1169
01:05:03,040 --> 01:05:07,360
Speaker 13: housed and unhoused, to make a difference. And my hope

1170
01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:09,919
Speaker 13: would be that when we talk about that long term

1171
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 13: energy that people look at, people can come to SELA

1172
01:05:13,760 --> 01:05:16,960
Speaker 13: to volunteer and they don't just see, oh I helped

1173
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:20,480
Speaker 13: out right. What they see is how much power they

1174
01:05:20,560 --> 01:05:25,400
Speaker 13: have to influence someone else's life permanently. And I think

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01:05:25,400 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 13: that's something they can take out into their every single

1176
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Speaker 13: day that.

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Speaker 10: Actually reminds me of a story. I'd love to share

1178
01:05:30,760 --> 01:05:32,720
Speaker 10: something that happened this weekend that I feel like is

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Speaker 10: just a prime example of that. A lot of my friends,

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Speaker 10: you know, know that I work for CELA. They've been

1181
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:41,760
Speaker 10: interested in what I do, but it really wasn't until

1182
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 10: this immediate crisis that a lot of them specifically reached

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01:05:45,040 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 10: out to me and said, Hey, I want to volunteer

1184
01:05:47,040 --> 01:05:49,960
Speaker 10: for CELA. I'm available these days. Let me know how

1185
01:05:49,960 --> 01:05:52,200
Speaker 10: I can help. You know, they want to be mobilized,

1186
01:05:52,240 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 10: and so part of what we do at CELA is

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Speaker 10: really empower them to take action in the moments within

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Speaker 10: the structure of CELA, but as you mentioned, like take

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Speaker 10: that into their own hands and into their own neighborhoods,

1190
01:06:02,040 --> 01:06:06,240
Speaker 10: their own communities. Specifically a few of my friends, they

1191
01:06:06,240 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 10: came and we were able to on the fly totally

1192
01:06:11,200 --> 01:06:15,440
Speaker 10: organize a new shared warehouse space that Sela's Fortunes to

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01:06:15,480 --> 01:06:19,400
Speaker 10: be a part of. We're in partnership with Everyday Action,

1194
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:25,080
Speaker 10: which is a wonderful food reallocation organization. They have basically

1195
01:06:25,160 --> 01:06:29,120
Speaker 10: allowed us to be in partnership in this warehouse and

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Speaker 10: it's all nonprofits that are focused on food in security,

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Speaker 10: housing and security, and we were able to organize a

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Speaker 10: lot of these donations that came in and also donate

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Speaker 10: forward donations that we knew were not going to be

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Speaker 10: right for the kind of work that we do. After

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Speaker 10: we did all of this organizing on Saturday, we ended

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01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:51,840
Speaker 10: up going out afterwards and we encountered a young queer person,

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Speaker 10: probably in their early twenties.

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Speaker 6: They were unhoused.

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Speaker 10: Talking with them, you know, first of all, as they are,

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01:06:57,480 --> 01:06:59,680
Speaker 10: as they are a human being, they're one of our neighbors,

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01:07:00,040 --> 01:07:02,280
Speaker 10: and sort of destigmatizing the fact that this is a

1208
01:07:02,320 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 10: neighbor experiencing homelessness, but also engaging in the challenges that

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01:07:06,320 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 10: they've experienced over the past few days with the fires.

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Speaker 10: And I watched as my friends decided on their own

1211
01:07:13,520 --> 01:07:17,640
Speaker 10: to try to find temporary housing for this complete stranger

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Speaker 10: that they had just met, and it was so beautiful

1213
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Speaker 10: to watch, but it was also very disheartening to watch

1214
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Speaker 10: in real time somebody see how even when they want

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01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:32,080
Speaker 10: to help, how it can be very difficult to acquire

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01:07:32,120 --> 01:07:35,920
Speaker 10: temporary housing for people experiencing homelessness. Just sort of watching

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01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:38,920
Speaker 10: you know, them being excited to help, to then watching

1218
01:07:38,960 --> 01:07:42,640
Speaker 10: them realize how difficult the system is to work with

1219
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:46,000
Speaker 10: to then taking action into their own hands and getting

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Speaker 10: this person a hotel room for the night, to be

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Speaker 10: able to relieve them from the you know, the smoky environment.

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Speaker 10: And it was just a really beautiful thing to watch,

1223
01:07:53,280 --> 01:07:56,400
Speaker 10: just people coming together in community to take immediate action

1224
01:07:56,520 --> 01:07:59,720
Speaker 10: for community members. And I think that oftentimes the role

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Speaker 10: of going governments can really create a bystander effect amongst

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01:08:04,080 --> 01:08:06,680
Speaker 10: neighbors where people are kind of always just waiting for

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01:08:06,720 --> 01:08:09,840
Speaker 10: somebody else to take action, waiting for somebody else to

1228
01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 10: solve the problem, when we all know that, you know

1229
01:08:13,640 --> 01:08:16,080
Speaker 10: it takes a long time for governments to do things,

1230
01:08:16,120 --> 01:08:21,000
Speaker 10: like governmental agencies bureaucracy intentionally designed to work very slow.

1231
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Speaker 10: But when you pull together a few neighbors, you can

1232
01:08:23,960 --> 01:08:25,520
Speaker 10: make anything happen immediately.

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Speaker 2: If you are someone in the LA area or outside

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01:08:28,920 --> 01:08:34,040
Speaker 2: of the LA Area that wants to immediately have a

1235
01:08:34,080 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 2: pragmatic and helpful affect the unhoused community, those who are

1236
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Speaker 2: recently displaced by the fires. What would you all recommend

1237
01:08:42,680 --> 01:08:45,479
Speaker 2: for those that are a little unsure of what to

1238
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 2: do right now?

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Speaker 13: You know, we've been getting an influx of people who

1240
01:08:49,040 --> 01:08:51,880
Speaker 13: are interested in helping, and it's been it's been very

1241
01:08:51,880 --> 01:08:56,400
Speaker 13: interesting to see how people perceive help, right, how people

1242
01:08:56,800 --> 01:09:01,120
Speaker 13: perceive their own help. We had someone who had driven

1243
01:09:01,160 --> 01:09:04,640
Speaker 13: down with a truck full of clothes from Oregon and

1244
01:09:04,760 --> 01:09:09,680
Speaker 13: called us and was really dismayed and very upset to

1245
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:10,960
Speaker 13: learn that that was not going to be the most

1246
01:09:11,040 --> 01:09:13,760
Speaker 13: useful thing at this moment for good reason. Right, that's

1247
01:09:13,760 --> 01:09:16,200
Speaker 13: someone who has put a lot of time and energy

1248
01:09:16,240 --> 01:09:19,160
Speaker 13: and thoughtfulness into what they have to offer and what

1249
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:21,760
Speaker 13: they're able to do, and to be told this is

1250
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:24,839
Speaker 13: not what we need is a challenge, right, Like it's

1251
01:09:24,920 --> 01:09:28,200
Speaker 13: all this like untapped energy. And so one of the

1252
01:09:28,200 --> 01:09:30,680
Speaker 13: things that we are really encouraging, and I say we

1253
01:09:30,880 --> 01:09:33,800
Speaker 13: as in the community based organizations right now that we

1254
01:09:33,840 --> 01:09:37,439
Speaker 13: are in partnership with, are really encouraging people to give

1255
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:41,400
Speaker 13: monetarily if possible at this point, whether that's to SILA,

1256
01:09:41,479 --> 01:09:44,559
Speaker 13: whether that's to another organization. The two things that we

1257
01:09:44,600 --> 01:09:47,040
Speaker 13: have as humans in the society that we live in

1258
01:09:47,800 --> 01:09:51,360
Speaker 13: that are the most valuable resources our time and money.

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01:09:51,640 --> 01:09:54,040
Speaker 13: Those are the things we have. Where you decide to

1260
01:09:54,040 --> 01:09:55,720
Speaker 13: spend your time and where you decide to spend your

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01:09:55,720 --> 01:09:58,200
Speaker 13: money is going to have the greatest impact on your neighbors.

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Speaker 13: So we, as Rachel, We'll mentioned have a bunch of

1263
01:10:01,280 --> 01:10:04,479
Speaker 13: volunteer opportunities. If you go to CELA, NHC dot org,

1264
01:10:04,520 --> 01:10:07,000
Speaker 13: forward slash volunteer, you can sign up to volunteer with us.

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01:10:07,280 --> 01:10:11,040
Speaker 13: Lots of other organizations are also looking for volunteers. Pick point,

1266
01:10:11,120 --> 01:10:13,559
Speaker 13: close your eyes, and point to an organization in Los Angeles.

1267
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:15,599
Speaker 13: Sign up to be a volunteer, learn more about them.

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01:10:16,000 --> 01:10:18,000
Speaker 13: If you think that they are an organization that is

1269
01:10:18,040 --> 01:10:20,479
Speaker 13: having a direct impact on the community in a way

1270
01:10:20,520 --> 01:10:25,080
Speaker 13: that you would like to support, give them money because

1271
01:10:25,200 --> 01:10:28,400
Speaker 13: money gives them autonomy. It gives them the ability to

1272
01:10:28,400 --> 01:10:31,200
Speaker 13: be adaptive to what maybe spoke to about us adapting

1273
01:10:31,200 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 13: our programs. We are not able to adapt our programming

1274
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:38,200
Speaker 13: with cartloads of clothing. We are able to adapt our

1275
01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:42,680
Speaker 13: programming as needed with money. Money is power. Money is

1276
01:10:42,720 --> 01:10:44,720
Speaker 13: also going to be what helps people recover. In the

1277
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:48,080
Speaker 13: long term. There are going to be all sorts of

1278
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:51,800
Speaker 13: side effects to this that we haven't begun to see. Right, So,

1279
01:10:52,280 --> 01:10:55,040
Speaker 13: temporary housing is going to be necessary when all of

1280
01:10:55,080 --> 01:10:57,920
Speaker 13: these emergency shelters close. All that temporary housing is going

1281
01:10:57,960 --> 01:11:01,160
Speaker 13: to take money. When all of this is quote unquote

1282
01:11:01,160 --> 01:11:03,640
Speaker 13: over and we're trying to rebuild, rents in LA are

1283
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:07,719
Speaker 13: going to skyrocket. There are tons of people who were

1284
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:11,599
Speaker 13: not housing secure when they lost their home. They don't

1285
01:11:11,640 --> 01:11:14,519
Speaker 13: have the opportunity to just buy or rent a new home.

1286
01:11:14,560 --> 01:11:17,439
Speaker 13: They're going to be facing homelessness for the very first time.

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01:11:18,040 --> 01:11:21,880
Speaker 13: Money can help that long term healthcare effect. The side

1288
01:11:21,880 --> 01:11:24,400
Speaker 13: effects of all of this the physical ones, for one,

1289
01:11:24,479 --> 01:11:26,880
Speaker 13: because of everything that people are inhaling, especially people who

1290
01:11:26,880 --> 01:11:30,240
Speaker 13: are housed and out in this smoke. Long term, that's

1291
01:11:30,240 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 13: going to be long term illness. We're going to have

1292
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 13: all sorts of healthcare needs that's going to take money.

1293
01:11:35,240 --> 01:11:37,320
Speaker 13: There's also going to be psychological needs that people are

1294
01:11:37,320 --> 01:11:39,800
Speaker 13: going to have. Mental health is really suffering. We're seeing

1295
01:11:39,840 --> 01:11:41,800
Speaker 13: this in our volunteer community with people who've now been

1296
01:11:41,840 --> 01:11:44,759
Speaker 13: displaced three or four times because of the different fires.

1297
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:47,400
Speaker 13: Money is something like that, people have lost their cars,

1298
01:11:47,400 --> 01:11:49,880
Speaker 13: they don't have transportation. Money can help with that. Like

1299
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:53,040
Speaker 13: it's I know people don't it's taboo to talk about money,

1300
01:11:53,680 --> 01:11:55,320
Speaker 13: and people tend to feel like it's not meaningful and

1301
01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 13: they're not getting their hands in. But like, truly, money

1302
01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:00,880
Speaker 13: is love in a situation like this, and I just

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Speaker 13: encourage people to take the resources that you've collected, host

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Speaker 13: a yard sale, donate that money to an organization that

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Speaker 13: you think is doing good. If you know someone who's

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Speaker 13: directly impacted, they've lost their home, they've moved, they've been

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Speaker 13: displaced three or four times, send them money.

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Speaker 14: Yeah.

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Speaker 13: I think that's that's really what we're encouraging.

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Speaker 14: People.

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Speaker 13: Give your time and give your money, and then if

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Speaker 13: you're not sure what to do, reach out and ask

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Speaker 13: and instead of saying I'm bringing you something, if there's

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Speaker 13: an organization or an individual that you know you would

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Speaker 13: like to have an impact on reach out and say

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Speaker 13: what do you need and then listen to that. Right,

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Speaker 13: that's I think we all really we jumped to help,

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Speaker 13: and then just like that man who drove down with

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Speaker 13: that cart load, the car load of clothing, he jumped

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Speaker 13: to help without asking what was needed, and then was

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Speaker 13: pretty hurt by the response that he wasn't helping in

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Speaker 13: the way that he thought. So, yeah, ask people what

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Speaker 13: they need.

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Speaker 14: None of this is unusual.

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Speaker 17: We see the center volunteers all the time, but it

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Speaker 17: was in just these last couple of days just became

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Speaker 17: so clear how so everybody, everybody lives the way they

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Speaker 17: live as a SEALA volunteer all the time. Like the

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Speaker 17: number of people who have connected us with other organizations,

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Speaker 17: emails I've gotten from volunteers connecting me with the volunteer.

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Speaker 14: Who might be able to help the specific need.

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Speaker 17: It's just really beautiful to see how everybody is activated

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Speaker 17: all the time, and I think it's just very This

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Speaker 17: just shows how crucial it is to kind of find

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Speaker 17: your community and figure out how to be a part

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Speaker 17: of it.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much again to Rachel Sarah, and maybe

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Speaker 2: you can contribute to cila's ongoing efforts in the description

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Speaker 2: of this episode. I particularly love their laundry program, so

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Speaker 2: I hope this was helpful if you didn't know much

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Speaker 2: about what is happening in this area, or you wanted

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01:13:44,040 --> 01:13:46,280
Speaker 2: to do more and didn't know where to start, or

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01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:48,799
Speaker 2: maybe you live here and you wanted to be reminded

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01:13:48,840 --> 01:13:53,080
Speaker 2: that there's hope and still a paradise of some kind

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01:13:53,240 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 2: to be built. There has been such tremendous loss, and

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Speaker 2: I think a lot of organizers have smartly and directly

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01:14:00,840 --> 01:14:04,719
Speaker 2: connected it to the fact that the US is funding

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Speaker 2: a genocide, willfully causing losses in Palestine every single day.

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Speaker 2: The way that our systems are failing us are often

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Speaker 2: to prop up violence elsewhere that is oppressing other people.

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Speaker 3: Free Palestine.

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Speaker 2: One of the moments that really made me emotional this

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Speaker 2: week was seeing that a library in Pasadena had burned down.

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Speaker 3: This beautiful historic library.

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Speaker 2: And maybe I'm a hooked on Phonic's dork, but seeing

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Speaker 2: a burned down library made me cry.

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Speaker 3: It's such a loss.

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Speaker 2: And the day after I saw that, I learned that

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Speaker 2: there was a library that had made it, the Altadena

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Speaker 2: Main Library. I first saw it in a friend's Instagram

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Speaker 2: story from someone who lived in Altadena, and it was

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Speaker 2: such a relief for them and then for me, even

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Speaker 2: though I'd never been there, but everything I've been thinking about,

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Speaker 2: everything that's been on my mind, all of these people

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Speaker 2: who are left behind in these discussions around climate change

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Speaker 2: and disasters like this are welcome in a library, everyone is,

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01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:17,559
Speaker 2: and seeing a space like that still standing around so

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Speaker 2: much devastation.

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Speaker 3: Was really special.

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Speaker 2: And so as a bonus treat I reached out to

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Speaker 2: one of my favorite presences in all of Internet history,

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Speaker 2: Michael Threats, the librarian TikTok guy. So, I hope you

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Speaker 2: enjoy our brief conversation, and yes, sixteenth Minute will be

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Speaker 2: back next week with I promise a truly punishing three

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Speaker 2: part TALKTUA series. So please enjoy my talk with Michael.

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01:15:46,040 --> 01:15:50,040
Speaker 2: And I'm pretty sure my cats were fighting through a

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Speaker 2: lot of this recording.

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Speaker 3: It's just been a hard week.

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Speaker 6: Sure, my name is Michael Threets.

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Speaker 16: More people know me as Michael Librarian, and far more

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Speaker 16: people know me as the librarian Orbry Guys. So many

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Speaker 16: people I meet you do not know that I have

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Speaker 16: an actual name. I've been a librarian for close to

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Speaker 16: eleven years. I'm no longer practicing librarian. But I'm still

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Speaker 16: very much a huge supporter of libraries. I'm still paying

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01:16:12,920 --> 01:16:15,960
Speaker 16: suit loans, so I very much see myself as a librarian.

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Speaker 16: I'm a library advocate, I'm a literacy advocate, a mental

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Speaker 16: health advocate, and so much more. But I think I

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01:16:21,720 --> 01:16:24,080
Speaker 16: just really used the big library's biggest fan. I'm there's

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Speaker 16: a person who's trying to cheerlead for human beings and

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Speaker 16: co mids them that they should make it make it

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Speaker 16: to tomorrow for hours at time.

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Speaker 7: I mean, and are you currently based in California as well?

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Speaker 6: I am, I'm in the Bay Area.

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Speaker 2: Your work so clearly demonstrates not just the importance of

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Speaker 2: libraries and keeping them funded, but the importance of libraries

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01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:47,360
Speaker 2: as communal spaces and community building tools. But I wanted

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01:16:47,400 --> 01:16:51,320
Speaker 2: to get started with you recently posted to Instagram sort

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Speaker 2: of a list of books to explain wildfires and wildfire

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Speaker 2: consequences to children. Could you tell me a little bit

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Speaker 2: more about how you source that?

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01:17:00,520 --> 01:17:04,800
Speaker 16: So I shared recommending books for children and teens and

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01:17:04,840 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 16: for library able to talk with their kids and teens

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01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:11,360
Speaker 16: about this tragedy of the California wildfires. It was built

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01:17:11,360 --> 01:17:14,920
Speaker 16: from other various libraries from scenes around posts from people

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01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:16,400
Speaker 16: like the book Wrangler.

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01:17:16,040 --> 01:17:17,559
Speaker 6: And saying okay that here are some books.

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01:17:17,640 --> 01:17:20,120
Speaker 16: Let's let's broaden the Let's broaden it just a little bit,

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01:17:20,960 --> 01:17:22,640
Speaker 16: because I wanted to make sure that the list was

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01:17:22,680 --> 01:17:23,519
Speaker 16: able to it was a book.

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01:17:23,640 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 6: Was a booklist that was good.

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Speaker 16: For kids, teens, and also for grunk so they could

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Speaker 16: help their own their family, but also so that they

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01:17:30,920 --> 01:17:34,719
Speaker 16: could help themselves. It's a compilation of picture books, chapter

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01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:39,080
Speaker 16: of books for kids, graphic novels by a books, and

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01:17:39,120 --> 01:17:41,920
Speaker 16: even some books that adults would also really appreciate as well.

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Speaker 2: Libraries are sort of this first line of defense on

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Speaker 2: educating about climate change and about climate catastrophe, especially for

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Speaker 2: younger people.

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Speaker 16: Unfortunately, I've had my own experience with wildfires being a

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01:17:53,360 --> 01:17:57,400
Speaker 16: California native, to be prepared to seeking to seek a

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01:17:57,400 --> 01:18:02,000
Speaker 16: list like this the infamous wildfires in California. Even though

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Speaker 16: I'm on the other side of California, We're still very

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01:18:03,960 --> 01:18:07,400
Speaker 16: much in support of you all in southern California. We're

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01:18:07,400 --> 01:18:11,120
Speaker 16: trying to seek ways to provide resources to help. I

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01:18:11,240 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 16: myself working currently with various people to provide books to

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01:18:16,000 --> 01:18:20,960
Speaker 16: increase the presence of literacy and with the loss of houses,

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01:18:21,000 --> 01:18:25,479
Speaker 16: with the loss of one major library in Pasadena. I

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Speaker 16: think that was a big part of where I was

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01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:30,759
Speaker 16: coming from. And that's my experience as librarian and various

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Speaker 16: mental health crisises COVID nineteen of that major California wildfire.

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Speaker 16: But as California also know that we have these wildfires,

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Speaker 16: what it feels like every single year, and also in

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Speaker 16: response to all the areas disasters across the nation, and

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Speaker 16: be at the various shootings that occur, be it the hurricanes,

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01:18:52,040 --> 01:18:56,080
Speaker 16: be at the earthquakes, tsunamis, with the Sudan whatever I may,

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Speaker 16: these are things I'm trying to find resources to share

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Speaker 16: with people. This is how we yeah that are as neighbors.

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01:19:01,320 --> 01:19:04,200
Speaker 16: I'm a person alway talks about mister Rogers. This is

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01:19:04,200 --> 01:19:06,680
Speaker 16: what mister Rogers would have encouraged us to do. So

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01:19:07,520 --> 01:19:10,320
Speaker 16: how do we build resources to get towards the journey

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Speaker 16: towards recovery.

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Speaker 2: You know, being a local of just seeing a library

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01:19:15,040 --> 01:19:18,559
Speaker 2: gone and not and seeing all of these community space

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01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:22,400
Speaker 2: has gone, these schools, these places that you don't really

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Speaker 2: consider what life would be like without. One of the

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Speaker 2: most emotional responses I've had all week is learning that

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Speaker 2: the Altadna main branch somehow survived at the fires, and

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Speaker 2: that their staff is already organizing to make sure that

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Speaker 2: you know, even though the air quality isn't safe at

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Speaker 2: the main branch, what are programs we can do for kids?

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01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:47,920
Speaker 2: And the importance of libraries as community spaces where all

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01:19:48,080 --> 01:19:49,400
Speaker 2: are welcome.

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Speaker 6: Absolutely No, I'm still so shocking.

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Speaker 16: I've been on social media talking about libraries and literacy

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01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:56,360
Speaker 16: and so much more for it feels like years now,

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01:19:56,400 --> 01:19:58,160
Speaker 16: but there's still so many people who don't know about

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01:19:58,160 --> 01:20:01,360
Speaker 16: the joys and the resources that the local libraries offer,

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01:20:01,479 --> 01:20:05,559
Speaker 16: especially in tough times, unprecedented times like these that were

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Speaker 16: living in. There's so much money. The libraries are always

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Speaker 16: going to be about books. We're always going to push books.

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01:20:09,479 --> 01:20:13,800
Speaker 16: But now there's Libby, There's Hoopa Digital for audiobooks and ebooks.

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01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:18,040
Speaker 16: There's Canopy for TV shows and movies. There's Mango languages

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01:20:18,120 --> 01:20:20,280
Speaker 16: to learn a new language. For the various people who

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01:20:20,280 --> 01:20:22,479
Speaker 16: are displaced and trying to figure out how do I

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Speaker 16: find these tools amongst amongst these disasters, there's tools, there's

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01:20:26,720 --> 01:20:31,479
Speaker 16: tooling libraries, there's big break collections, there's Tredio printers, there's

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Speaker 16: there truly is something for everybody at the library. And

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Speaker 16: that's in a response to saying, yes, the library is

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Speaker 16: very much a community hub. It's all about there's something

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Speaker 16: for everybody, for every single neighbor, every single person who

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Speaker 16: lived in your community got to his library exists for

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Speaker 16: and that's what I've loved it. I've scoured social media

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Speaker 16: for resources, seeking ways to help. I love the immediate

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Speaker 16: aftermath after the California wild Fighters, the most recent ones

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Speaker 16: first started.

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Speaker 6: I didn't love it, but it was so like for me,

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01:20:59,080 --> 01:20:59,799
Speaker 6: it was so refreshing.

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Speaker 16: This author friends and various friends in southern California at

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Speaker 16: the library.

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Speaker 6: The library was still standing.

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01:21:07,640 --> 01:21:09,880
Speaker 16: That's where they get out of the air, of the

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01:21:09,880 --> 01:21:13,800
Speaker 16: bad quality air. They were in the library. I believe

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Speaker 16: the La the La County Library is currently offering n

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01:21:17,160 --> 01:21:20,040
Speaker 16: ninety five masks. So I saw some friends just charging

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Speaker 16: their devices, charging their their chargers, their their their phones,

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01:21:24,080 --> 01:21:27,920
Speaker 16: their childlets, whatever may be at the local library. And

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01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:29,880
Speaker 16: that's that's why the library is always going to be

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01:21:29,920 --> 01:21:32,000
Speaker 16: a third space. You don't have to have a library

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01:21:32,000 --> 01:21:34,040
Speaker 16: car to do that. You can just be You can

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01:21:34,080 --> 01:21:36,960
Speaker 16: just ask for help at the local library. A library

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01:21:37,000 --> 01:21:40,559
Speaker 16: card is not required. To seek help, seek services.

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Speaker 7: As a library.

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Speaker 2: And I mean in terms of just bringing people together

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01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:46,479
Speaker 2: housed on house of all classes, what if you sort

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01:21:46,479 --> 01:21:49,160
Speaker 2: of noticed over the years in terms of bringing folks together.

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Speaker 6: I mean, I think this is so much of what

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Speaker 6: you just said.

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Speaker 16: There's so much, so much as possible for every person,

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Speaker 16: regardless of their background, regardless of their financial situation, where

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01:21:58,439 --> 01:22:00,759
Speaker 16: they can benefit from local library.

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Speaker 6: That's the beauty of it. I mean, that's like so

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Speaker 6: many of you.

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Speaker 16: So many of the Southern California libraries are still standing,

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01:22:06,360 --> 01:22:08,680
Speaker 16: and goodness, but they are ones there are lost, and

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01:22:08,680 --> 01:22:11,880
Speaker 16: there are so many people who are coming together to

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Speaker 16: support these libraries. There's so many schools that have been lost,

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Speaker 16: there are so many classes that have been temporarily put

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Speaker 16: on Paul because of the situation where students are not

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01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:24,360
Speaker 16: allowed are not able to imagine and grow as much

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01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:25,960
Speaker 16: as they should be able to. And that's why I

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Speaker 16: love it that are campaigns by people like author have

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Speaker 16: on a combine who's trying to trying to gather various

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01:22:32,080 --> 01:22:35,519
Speaker 16: funds to gather books in various forms of literacy to

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Speaker 16: donate and gift to local schools and local libraries and

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01:22:39,920 --> 01:22:42,600
Speaker 16: all these people are coming together to collect books, to

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Speaker 16: collect so many, so many resources for these schools and

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Speaker 16: these libraries. And I think that's why I've learned over

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Speaker 16: the years being a library library loving persons. There's so

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Speaker 16: many people who are willing to support libraries to go

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Speaker 16: to back for the community because of what the library

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Speaker 16: means to them. That libraries are still on offering these programs.

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Speaker 16: We're offering story times, we're offering homework help, We're offering

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Speaker 16: a space for you to go to be to learn something,

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Speaker 16: to take your tests, to apply for jobs. And it's

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Speaker 16: so amazing to see. I think, I I I believe

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Speaker 16: I love the un housed community most most of all,

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Speaker 16: so very, so very much. I think since leaving the

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Speaker 16: library full.

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Speaker 4: Time, I love that I go to my local library.

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01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:29,720
Speaker 16: I see my former my former run house friends I

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Speaker 16: used to see all the time.

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Speaker 6: They're like, oh man, good to see you back, and sell.

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Speaker 16: You down at the other at these other institutions. Are

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01:23:36,560 --> 01:23:39,720
Speaker 16: you helping people with them with housing full time now?

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01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:41,599
Speaker 16: And I'm like, no, I just happen to be there.

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Speaker 6: I love it.

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Speaker 16: That's what they bring up because that's what the library

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01:23:45,200 --> 01:23:47,640
Speaker 16: should be. It should be a place that welcomes the

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Speaker 16: house that tries to find them resources. It says, yes,

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Speaker 16: we may not be able to do everything for you,

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Speaker 16: but we're going to help you to the best of

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Speaker 16: our abilities. I think that's why That's why I discovered

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Speaker 16: most of all in the last stud years, from the community,

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01:24:01,760 --> 01:24:05,120
Speaker 16: from the neighbors, from people across the world. Honestly, if

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01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:10,439
Speaker 16: they love having a library card, they really appreciate their library.

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01:24:09,600 --> 01:24:13,320
Speaker 16: They recognize how powerful books have been in their lives.

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Speaker 16: But most of them, they recognize the presidence of the

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01:24:16,520 --> 01:24:19,920
Speaker 16: library always being there, being there for them even they

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Speaker 16: didn't remember the library there yes on a Tuesday five

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Speaker 16: years from now. People could say, oh, yeah, I didn't

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01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:27,120
Speaker 16: realize I need this library at the time, but now

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01:24:27,160 --> 01:24:30,240
Speaker 16: I really need it, and I'm so surprised that even

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Speaker 16: though I haven't used it all the time, it's still there.

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Speaker 6: It's still there for me.

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01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:36,960
Speaker 16: I think that is the lasting legacy of the library,

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Speaker 16: that the library is always going to be there for you.

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Speaker 2: For the average person, what is the best way to

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Speaker 2: support your local library.

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Speaker 16: Shouldn't I talk about social media This morning. I was

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01:24:46,200 --> 01:24:49,599
Speaker 16: offering anybody who loves libraries or who wants to love libraries,

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01:24:49,640 --> 01:24:53,080
Speaker 16: far ways to support, to support them and keep them going.

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Speaker 16: And I think number one is to get just to

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Speaker 16: get a library card. You don't have to you don't

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Speaker 16: have to use that library card. Just get a library card.

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Speaker 16: You do that library card every single.

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Speaker 7: You probably will end uf using.

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Speaker 16: Yeah, exactly at number two, which is to visit the

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01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:13,120
Speaker 16: library to typtically use that library card to borrow the materials.

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Speaker 4: It's totally fine.

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01:25:14,200 --> 01:25:17,240
Speaker 6: If you're a digital library user. You are helping the library.

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01:25:16,920 --> 01:25:20,840
Speaker 16: By using Libby and Hoopla, using audio books and ebooks.

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01:25:21,200 --> 01:25:24,120
Speaker 16: It helps libraries more than you know with funding, with

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01:25:24,520 --> 01:25:28,599
Speaker 16: making libraries better for the community. Borrow those tools from

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01:25:28,600 --> 01:25:31,960
Speaker 16: the tooling library, the bakewere supplies from the bakewere collection

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01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:37,160
Speaker 16: borrow the manga, got his novels, comic books, anything. Library

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01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:39,920
Speaker 16: has something for everybody. At least once a year. Use

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01:25:39,920 --> 01:25:42,800
Speaker 16: that library card. See what's all about. And then number

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01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:45,479
Speaker 16: three is to not only visit the library, but to

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Speaker 16: use the library and specifically the programs. Attend library programs,

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01:25:50,920 --> 01:25:54,400
Speaker 16: the art programs, the history programs, the author talks whenever

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01:25:54,439 --> 01:25:56,919
Speaker 16: you see it. Try to go as often as possible.

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Speaker 16: The last one, number four is just tell everyone about

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Speaker 16: the libry, and I think that's the best way to

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Speaker 16: keep libraries going. Libraries, as much as we're under attack,

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01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:09,080
Speaker 16: as much as we're facing a lot of problems, we're

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Speaker 16: still there. People are showing up more than ever four libraries,

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Speaker 16: and we just want to keep it going so that

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Speaker 16: we can keep on offering everything for the community and

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Speaker 16: show people liberation through literacy.

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Speaker 11: Sixteenth Minute is a production of fool Zone Media and

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Speaker 11: Iheardware Apps.

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Speaker 2: It is written, hosted, and produced by me Jamie Loftus.

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Speaker 11: Our executive producers are Sophie Lickterman and Robert Evans Hemas

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01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:40,000
Speaker 11: with Ian Johnson is our supervising producer and our editor.

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Speaker 11: Our theme song is by Sad thirteen.

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Speaker 3: Voice acting is from Grant, creator and Pet.

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Speaker 11: Shout outs to our dog producer Anderson, my Kats Flee

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Speaker 11: and Casper and my pet Rockberg, who will outlive us

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Speaker 11: all Bye.