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Speaker 2: Welcome in. It's the best month of the year. I

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Speaker 2: won't hear it otherwise. Best month of the year.

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Speaker 1: October sport Yeah, yeah, NBA teams preseason, get ready to start.

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Speaker 1: WNBA still playing and cavetching about officiating. College football, we

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Speaker 1: told you the weekends. It's like the you know, people

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Speaker 1: always say it's the quiet ones you have to watch

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Speaker 1: out for. Right, It's the same with college football weekends,

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Speaker 1: Dan Byer, isn't it.

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Speaker 2: It's the quiet ones you have to work look out for.

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Speaker 1: And you're like, ah, Florida, they stink, They're not gonna

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Speaker 1: beat Texas. Yes, Ucla they fired to Sean Foster, Penn

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Speaker 1: State's way better, doesn't matter. Cincinnati jumps up and beats

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Speaker 1: Iowa State like you name it. There were upsets galore

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Speaker 1: this weekend on what was supposed to be a quiet

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Speaker 1: college football weekend, and then you have the National Football League,

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Speaker 1: which gave us upsets. It's not just that Philly lost,

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Speaker 1: It's not just that Buffalo lost. It's that Buffalo lost

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Speaker 1: to the Pats, who weren't a playoff team, fired their

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Speaker 1: coach and haven't looked great to start the season. And

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Speaker 1: Philly lost to Denver, who playoff team last year with

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Speaker 1: super soft schedule and looked like a team that again

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Speaker 1: can beat the bad teams, can't beat the good teams,

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Speaker 1: and were down big. But a funny thing happened on

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Speaker 1: the way to five and zero for the Philadelphia Eagles.

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Speaker 1: They collapse and the Broncos end up getting a gigantic

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Speaker 1: road win. Here's Nick Sirianni, head coach of the defending

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl champion Eagles, on the loss.

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Speaker 3: I think that the guys have worked extremely hard in preparation.

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Speaker 3: I see the same hunger that is that was there

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Speaker 3: prior to us winning the Super Bowl. So I don't

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Speaker 3: think it's it's anything like that. Again, just the name

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Speaker 3: of this game is always going to come down to,

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Speaker 3: you know, detail, and you know as far as us

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Speaker 3: as coaches and players know we weren't detailed enough today

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Speaker 3: and they were a little more detailed than us.

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Speaker 2: Now, Listen, that sounds very coach speaking, right, What really happened? Nick?

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Speaker 2: Who you're really going to fire? Uh?

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Speaker 1: And we'll get to something in a second. Kind of

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Speaker 1: the obvious aj Brown, elephant in the room, Seguon Barkley

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Speaker 1: thirty yards rushing. That tells you a lot. I would

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Speaker 1: also say that I think when when a coach points

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Speaker 1: out detail, he is talking about the offense, he is

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Speaker 1: talking about the offensive coordinator. And when you're a new

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Speaker 1: play caller, oftentimes and I experienced this, I'm not casting,

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Speaker 1: I'm not I know, I live in a glass house

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Speaker 1: and so this is not throwing rocks here, but when

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Speaker 1: your first time play caller, oftentimes you focus on the

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Speaker 1: just need experience doing it, and one of the things

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Speaker 1: that gets left out is oftentimes the detail. Oftentimes the detail.

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Speaker 1: You have to coach every detail of every play, and

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Speaker 1: there has to be a reason that you're trying that

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Speaker 1: play and has to give outs that the defense guess

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Speaker 1: And all those different things. It feels like there's something missing,

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Speaker 1: and it's felt like there's something missing with the Eagles.

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Speaker 1: The reason the Eagles were undefeated to this point and

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Speaker 1: years in the regular season is they have cracked the

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Speaker 1: hardest part of the winning code, which is just how

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Speaker 1: do you win games late? Just finding a way running

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Speaker 1: many a stalled drives where they get to fourth and two,

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Speaker 1: your offensive coordinator. Your offense isn't sharp. Jalen Hurts he

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Speaker 1: It just means that it's not what he does best.

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Speaker 1: His intangibles, his toughness, yes, his ability to scramble is

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Speaker 1: But if you put the ball in his hands and

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Speaker 1: bow Nicks who's been playing good ball and will play

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Speaker 1: for you what John Payton said about it, But what

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Speaker 1: leader early, run the football, put pin your ears back

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Speaker 1: the loss shows you there's a lot more going on

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Speaker 1: to aj Brown when you're true obviously trying to force

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Speaker 1: two problems, one fumbling two, forcing the ball to Randy Moss.

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Speaker 1: Yet forcing the ball to Randy Moss? And yeah, do

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Speaker 1: you want to keep Randy Moss happy?

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Speaker 2: Yet?

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Speaker 1: Do you want to keep Randy Moss engage? Sure is

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Speaker 1: mot was Raindy Moss one of the elite wide receivers

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Speaker 1: they're doing in Philly. Aj Brown is such a gigantic

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Speaker 1: pain in the backside that they're like, fine, let's just

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Speaker 1: take some of the pressure off Jalen. Get the ball

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Speaker 1: to AJ Brown, let him make some place. We're paying

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Speaker 1: And he is really talented, but it's not really who

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Speaker 4: You know when you play something like that, You're gonna

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Speaker 4: get punched and it's not gonna be easy. But we

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Speaker 2: The momentum did shift. It did shift.

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Speaker 1: We had so much stuff to cover. I mean, the

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Speaker 2: But it also felt like, do we.

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Speaker 1: Need to be throwing this ball over the middle right

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Speaker 5: have thrown the football and yeah, when you do it

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Speaker 5: Then on the turnover, they actually did have an opportunity

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Speaker 5: all of the things of Sam Donald that maybe they

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Speaker 1: Oh, it's crazy. There's so much football this weekend. So

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Speaker 2: Where's the drop? I'll take it from here, thank you.

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Speaker 9: None of our loves are going to be about anything

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Speaker 9: I was convinced they would lose. Sho Halo Tani struck

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Speaker 9: to for one for thirteen, one hit thirteen at bats,

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Speaker 7: Those are all true, even through stereotypes. They're positive ones.

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Speaker 5: Well, I just the Penn State Texas conversation. I'm not

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Speaker 5: UCLA does a blue out with that's they're going to

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Speaker 2: But hey, thanks, maybe it worked. Thank you for saying it.

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Speaker 2: Your heart later that all right? Jay Steele you're kind

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Speaker 9: dame Mercado de mercado in uh in Spanish, Oh.

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Speaker 2: Man, I had a de marcado from Starbucks. It's really good. Yeah.

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Speaker 9: I think in Spanish, I means of the market. I

437
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Speaker 9: think amare should be in the market, as in on

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Speaker 9: the waiver market and free agent market of the waiver market.

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Speaker 9: Uh So, for those that didn't see this, guy took

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Speaker 9: a uh took a run what sixty plus yards and

441
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Speaker 9: dropped the ball before the end zone, costing the Cardinals

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Speaker 9: the game, costing a lot of people their Survivor picks,

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Speaker 9: as the Cardinals were a popular choice yesterday, and it

444
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Speaker 9: cost me my Fantasy week. So Amari de Marcado. John

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Speaker 9: Jonathan Gannon, the head coach of the Cardinals, was asked

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Speaker 9: after the game about that play.

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Speaker 8: As a coach, what do you say to him? It's

448
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Speaker 8: never about one play.

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Speaker 3: We have coaching points that I'm not going to tell

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Speaker 3: you guys now.

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Speaker 9: Now that contradicts the video that all of us have seen.

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Speaker 9: Right Gannon walked up to him and gave him an earful,

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Speaker 9: which he should have. While he was getting an earful,

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Speaker 9: he was getting consoled by a teammate. If and Calherd

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Speaker 9: made this point this morning. If I'm a teammate, I'm

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Speaker 9: not consoling the guy. I'm a teammate. I'm saying you're

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Speaker 9: letting us down. We practice hard, we go to work

458
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Speaker 9: every day and your showboting, your need to show off

459
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Speaker 9: in that moment just cost us a game. Why would

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Speaker 9: I console you. I hate Amari day Mercado, I hate

461
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Speaker 9: losing Survivor picks, and I hate losing my with my

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Speaker 9: fantasy football team.

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Speaker 5: Jason did lose by less than six points with a

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Speaker 5: Mario de Mercado on his roster.

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Speaker 9: You know what, there's I'm sorry doan real fast so

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Speaker 9: on the on the podcast that comes up at the

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Speaker 9: top of the hour, I asked, I ask uh, Doug

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Speaker 9: and Sam this, I'm gonna ask you. Remember last December

469
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Speaker 9: when we went around the room and I said, do

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Speaker 9: you think these guys are dropping the ball on purpose

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Speaker 9: to show off or are they doing it accidentally? And

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Speaker 9: we were split down the middle. Sam and Doug thinks

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Speaker 9: that it's an accident thing or something. They're too excited

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Speaker 9: about carelessness you and I think it's on purpose. Have

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Speaker 9: you changed your take on that?

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Speaker 5: No, not at all, absolutely not. It's and you need

477
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Speaker 5: to start developing end zone celebrations with the football involved,

478
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Speaker 5: because that means you'll hold on to it into the

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Speaker 5: end zone. So that's like a baby yeah, like, yeah,

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Speaker 5: do something like that. I go make a make a

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Speaker 5: baseball thing. You were We talked about this earlier. You

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Speaker 5: were you were do it. You were actually working when

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Speaker 5: we were just talking, and.

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Speaker 1: I said, I think part of it is coaching, though,

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Speaker 1: is you can talk about it, but you actually have

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Speaker 1: to do it, and you have to make it every

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Speaker 1: time we go into the end zone. Guys, you two

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Speaker 1: hands on the football until you are all the way

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Speaker 1: and then hand the ball. We're gonna be the team

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Speaker 1: that hands the ball to the official. Or you can

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Speaker 1: even do the Australian rules thing, or you can plant

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Speaker 1: the ball down on the field, but only in the

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Speaker 1: back of the end zone, the white of the end zone.

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Speaker 2: That way you've cleared, like make it like the finish line.

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Speaker 2: You go through, run through the finish line.

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Speaker 1: But I think it's something you gotta practice like, we

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Speaker 1: actually practice, and I took this from coach Sutton, we

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Speaker 1: practice how to save the basketball.

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Speaker 2: Why does that matter?

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Speaker 1: How many times you watch a basketball game, ball goes

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Speaker 1: going out of bounds underneath somebody's own basket and they

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Speaker 1: throw it underneath their own basket and you're like, don't

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Speaker 1: throw it underneath throw a basket. Yeah, but did you

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Speaker 1: actually practice that? And you're like, well, he's twenty years old,

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Speaker 1: he should know. But as he ever actually practiced it,

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Speaker 1: we practice it. So to me, again, I can't be

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Speaker 1: critical of coaches when players make these sorts of dumb

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Speaker 1: ass plays. They're gonna make dumb ass plays. But in

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Speaker 1: this one, how many times have we seen it already?

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Speaker 2: This year? Three or four beeen, College of Pro.

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Speaker 5: Well, we've seen it in back to back weeks in

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Speaker 5: the National Football League, Okay.

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Speaker 1: And I've seen it in college at least once or twice.

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Speaker 1: So we seen it again. Practice it. Everybody's watching practice it. Hey, guys,

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Speaker 1: we're gonna practice every day we go through the end zone.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna run over and hand the ball to Because

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Speaker 1: I think I still think the Florida State catch. I

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Speaker 1: even think I may have changed, and what was the

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Speaker 1: guy for the Colts last week, ad Ni Mitchell. Ad

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Speaker 1: Ni Mitchell, I do think ad Ni Mitchell, he was

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Speaker 1: trying to show the ball like I don't think he

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Speaker 1: was trying to show, but I think he was trying

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Speaker 1: to show the ball and it slipped out of his hands.

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Speaker 2: And I thought that.

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Speaker 1: At Florida State, the wide receiver who babbled it, babbled it,

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Speaker 1: babbled it all ten year yards, finally caught it but

527
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Speaker 1: was out of bounds. I thought it was the ball

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Speaker 1: move because he was trying to secure it. They're taught

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Speaker 1: to when you get it secured in your strong hand, right.

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Speaker 1: I thought he's trying to secure it. That's where the

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Speaker 1: ball movement took place. So I think that actually was coached.

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Speaker 1: I think these had to be coached.

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Speaker 5: I will say something to Jason's point about the video

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Speaker 5: clip that maybe not everybody has scene of Jonathan Gannon

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Speaker 5: ripping into De Marcado and the player consoling him, and

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Speaker 5: I just used Romandre Stevenson as the example. We see

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Speaker 5: the Patriots last night beat the Bills and some people

538
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Speaker 5: were surprised. My teammate on Sunday, Carry Rhods picked it.

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Speaker 5: A week a ghostas New England's going to go to

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Speaker 5: Buffalo and win. Nice They turned the ball over five

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Speaker 5: times in that loss to the Pittsburgh Steelers. New England

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Speaker 5: did and Romandre Stevenson had a fumble at the goal line.

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Speaker 5: In fact, in this game against Buffalo, Romandre Stevenson fumbled

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Speaker 5: in the first quarter. But Romondre Stevenson wasn't showboating into

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Speaker 5: the end zone when he fumbled. So if you want

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Speaker 5: to go to Romondre Stevenson and say, dude, we're gonna

547
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Speaker 5: need you in this game. You're our physical runner, Ye,

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Speaker 5: get your head in the game, I'm totally cool with that.

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Speaker 5: And I think that's what the Patriots did because Romandre

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Speaker 5: Stevenson scores two touchdowns later in the game for New England. Here,

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Speaker 5: if you're Jonathan Gannon, you said you aren't gonna play anymore.

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Speaker 5: I don't think anybody would have a problem with that. Like,

553
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Speaker 5: there's physical mistakes, there's mental mistakes, and then there's the

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Speaker 5: mistakes of show voting. And I think players shouldn't have

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Speaker 5: gone up to De Marcado like he bleeped up big time.

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Speaker 5: If you want to do it to Romondre Stevenson, go

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Speaker 5: right ahead, but that in Arizona last you know, yesterday

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Speaker 5: cost them a game and may just may cost people

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Speaker 5: their jobs because of no question.

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Speaker 2: I'm with you, Sammy, send me hated.

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Speaker 7: I could go with the boring hate that I was

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Speaker 7: sort of thinking about of refs letting the play clock

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Speaker 7: go down to zero and then minus one before calling

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Speaker 7: a delay of game. And I just see this way

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Speaker 7: too often, where like they're giving quarterbacks and offenses an

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Speaker 7: extra beat. But I'm not going to talk about that.

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Speaker 7: I somehow found a way to wedge it in there.

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Speaker 7: I'm going to talk about shrink flation. I went to

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Speaker 7: the grocery store yesterday and I thought, you know what,

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Speaker 7: I'd really love to have a stuffed crust pizza. But

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Speaker 7: I'm not gonna do delivery. I'm gonna do blank. Okay,

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Speaker 7: So I bought the pizza. It was on sale, but

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Speaker 7: you know, it still will go back to its normal

574
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Speaker 7: price at some point. I opened this baby up and

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Speaker 7: it's a straight medium.

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Speaker 5: It is.

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Speaker 2: It is not a large.

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Speaker 7: Have you ever tried on a shoe, especially in your kid,

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Speaker 7: and the shoe is just so much bigger than your

580
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Speaker 7: foot and then you go feel your toe and you're

581
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Speaker 7: like Oh, look at all that space, and the pizza

582
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Speaker 7: was like the toe in there, and then the box

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Speaker 7: was the shoe. And I'm like, open this thing up,

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Speaker 7: and I'm like, I paid twelve bucks for this medium,

585
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Speaker 7: and I'm like, man, we are still not out of

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Speaker 7: the woods here with inflation and shrinkflation. And sometimes I'd

587
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Speaker 7: rather just pay more but get the same size pizza,

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Speaker 7: because that was a bummer. Man, that irritated me. You know,

589
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Speaker 7: it's not delivery, it's something else. Yeah, well maybe I

590
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:57,080
Speaker 7: should have gotten pizza. Hudder, Domino's stuff crust on your

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Speaker 7: first part. I was gonna say this last week when

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Speaker 7: the Packers Cowboys game. It's why we need tens of

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Speaker 7: a second on game clocks. Maybe you need them on

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00:32:04,480 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 7: the play clock, I'm not sure, but there's there's an

595
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Speaker 7: absolute need for the National Football League. Are you noticing

596
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Speaker 7: this too? Did these guys get an extra beat on? Well,

597
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 7: that's the rule, that's what they're allowed to Yes, you

598
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Speaker 7: are allowed to get an extra beat, but then when

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Speaker 7: do you actually call the penalty correct?

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Speaker 1: So appreciate Yeah, a lot of times they don't make

601
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Speaker 1: calls now because they're worried about the replay. Overturning them

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Speaker 1: lots of things they're done with NFL officiating.

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Speaker 5: I'm seeing zeros though, and I'm like, yes, you can

604
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Speaker 5: snap it at zero, they give you that pause.

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Speaker 7: But I'm even seeing like I think it was during

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Speaker 7: the Chargers Commanders game, it just felt like there was

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Speaker 7: a it should have been a blatant and even talked

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Speaker 7: about a blatant violation there, and I just don't get

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Speaker 7: it. It feels a little abstract, but I'd rather I'm a

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Speaker 7: little bit more steamed over shrinkflation, Okay.

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Speaker 1: I I I hate where people went to score political

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Speaker 1: points on the Mark Sanchez thing. Whether the story came

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Speaker 1: out as it has been, which is the exact opposite

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Speaker 1: of what people thought initially, however it came out like

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Speaker 1: these are news stories. Why do we have to score

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Speaker 1: political points the moment that something happens, if somebody can

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Speaker 1: help me, like and and some of these people are

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Speaker 1: my friends that I like. But it's when you live

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Speaker 1: in this world where ooh, I can score, I can

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Speaker 1: say I was Basically it's like I was right, my

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Speaker 1: point was right, my side is right, and one you

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Speaker 1: don't have all the facts.

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Speaker 2: Two, even when you do have all the facts.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of stuff, there's a lot of nuance

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Speaker 1: to it, and I just I don't know how we've

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Speaker 1: gotten to this place where human interest stories, stories of

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Speaker 1: crimes that are individual based are used to make a

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Speaker 1: bigger point immediately. And it also causes something that I

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Speaker 1: learned from Jays two, which is what about ism? Right,

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Speaker 1: just we can take one story from either side and

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Speaker 1: use it to make a bigger story. I just not

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Speaker 1: every story requires you to one hop on board before

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Speaker 1: the story comes out, too, which we're learning with the

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Speaker 1: Mark Sanchez story. And two, you don't need to use

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Speaker 1: every story, or even most stories to make some political stance.

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Speaker 1: Let the politicians make it. They'll make asses of themselves.

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Speaker 1: That's their job for you. Wait till the whole story

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Speaker 1: comes out, and if you want to reference it in

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Speaker 1: the future, you can always go back to referencing.

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Speaker 7: It and using an anecdote to try to prove a

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Speaker 7: larger point that something generally is happening. It's just not

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Speaker 7: the good way to go. And it turns out that

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Speaker 7: that anecdote was If the anecdote was the Mark Sanchez case, ye,

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Speaker 7: all the details were wrong. This was between two people

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Speaker 7: and it was seemingly Mark Sanchez.

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Speaker 1: And some parking Weston too. Yeah, it's probably like what

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Speaker 1: did I just walk into?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? And that's loving.

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Speaker 1: It's the Doug Gottlieb Show Fox Sports Radio. How long

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Speaker 1: ago was the pandemic?

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Speaker 2: Five years ago?

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Speaker 5: Right?

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Speaker 2: Five years ago? It was twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 7: I was a pandemic well started in March of twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: March twenty twenty.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, five and a half years after the fact.

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Speaker 2: Okay, fair enough, five and a half years.

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Speaker 1: Can anybody remember a better Patriot win post pandemic than

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Speaker 1: the win last night in Buffalo?

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Speaker 2: Think about this.

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Speaker 1: This is previous to the pandemic for twenty years. Honestly,

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Speaker 1: most of its starting on the first weekend after September eleventh.

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Speaker 1: That's when Tom Brady first came It became the starting quarterback,

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Speaker 1: right mo Lewis ends up knocking out Drew Bledsoe. That

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Speaker 1: was like a week and a half after nine to eleven,

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Speaker 1: first game back. So subsequently from a terrorist attack tragedy

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Speaker 1: into international, international, global pandemic. In between those two, those

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Speaker 1: bookend the Patriots, the most consistently successful team in the

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Speaker 1: National Football League post pandemic. It's been a mess, right,

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Speaker 1: Cam Newton. I thought the year that they had Cam

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Speaker 1: Newton was unbelievable coaching, but they weren't any good. They

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Speaker 1: won seven games with a bad football team because remember

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Speaker 1: after the pandemic, you had the opt outs, and they

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Speaker 1: had eight guys opt out, all of whom were starters.

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Speaker 1: They were in cap heal. They had guys opt out.

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Speaker 1: They had Cam Newton couldn't throw football, right, He won

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Speaker 1: three games not throwing for one hundred yards. The next

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Speaker 1: year it got not better. You draft a rookie quarterback,

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Speaker 1: he's not good. It's the end of the Belichick era.

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Speaker 1: Then last year you hire a brand new coach. It

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Speaker 1: lasts for exactly seventeen games, and you wipe that clean.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there's other good wins there, because we're not

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Speaker 1: all hardcore Patriot. Well, they got this one, and this

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Speaker 1: was goy fine, But in Week five to go into

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Speaker 1: the undefeated Buffalo Bills stadium, right when the Bills, I mean,

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Speaker 1: are they perfectly healthy? I know, but I mean it's

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen healthy. Yeah, Like they're at home last time,

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Speaker 1: they're playing New England in that stadium, and it's always

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Speaker 1: been a house of horse for Buffalo against the Bill

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Speaker 1: Belichick Patriots, not as much recently.

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Speaker 2: To go in and win that game, I can't.

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Speaker 1: Part of it is I think most of us are

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Speaker 1: in the bag for their coach and be like that

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Speaker 1: seems like a guy I'd like to play for. It

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Speaker 1: hadn't hit until yesterday. Those are the type of wins

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Speaker 1: that turn around a franchise.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't.

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Speaker 1: It can be a one off. You can go home

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Speaker 1: feeling too good about yourself then lose a couple of games,

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Speaker 1: but you have to have those moments, moments for confidence,

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Speaker 1: not just for the players, but for the players to

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Speaker 1: believe in the staff. Some wins matter more. You're like, well,

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Speaker 1: that's not the way it works, Doug. You know there's

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Speaker 1: seventeen games and every win andever loss that's not You

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Speaker 1: go into Buffalo and look, Stefan Diggs had been okay,

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Speaker 1: hadn't been very good this year, right, But you get

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Speaker 1: Stefan Diggs to where he wins that game and he's

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Speaker 1: made it's some sort of triumphant hero like gladiatorial return

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Speaker 1: to his former home and look, Stefan Diggs was a.

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Speaker 2: There's a word starts with the D and it's the K.

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Speaker 2: It's four letters.

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Speaker 1: Oftentimes he would he just he pushed him hisself out

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Speaker 1: of there. Let's not act like the Bills were at fault.

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Speaker 1: But if you're New England, it gets Stefan Diggs fully

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Speaker 1: bought in because you can draw on that as a coach.

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Speaker 1: Hey man, we go up there and beat Buffalo like

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Speaker 1: you said you want to do. Yeah, all right, come on,

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Speaker 1: dig in, buy into what we're doing. More big wins

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Speaker 1: that come and he's like, yeah, I'm in.

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Speaker 2: I'm in.

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Speaker 1: And when you have guys that can go either way,

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Speaker 1: he's a fifty to fifty guy.

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Speaker 2: He can help you, he can hurt you. He will

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Speaker 2: you win that game.

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Speaker 1: I think it turns around Stefan Diggs. Maybe not long term,

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Speaker 1: but for the next four or five games, he's all

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Speaker 1: in on whatever you want to tell him to do.

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Speaker 1: You don't throw him the ball, you want him to

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Speaker 1: block the whole game, he'll do it. Biggest win since

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Speaker 1: the pandemic. Here's Mark Mike Brabel on what he thinks

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Speaker 1: after of his team after five weeks, we'll want.

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Speaker 10: To start faster, but we finished really well and you

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Speaker 10: don't settle down. And so again, I'm just really proud

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Speaker 10: of the whole team for being able to come into

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Speaker 10: this road environment. You know, we talk about a lot

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Speaker 10: of other people that had cracks of beating them here.

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Speaker 10: You know, for fourteen games, they had their opportunity, and

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Speaker 10: we and those players took advantage of that opportunity and

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Speaker 10: beat a really good football team. We're confident coming in here,

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Speaker 10: so I guess it don't probably help, but we'll have

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Speaker 10: to start over and uh continue to improve. We talked

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Speaker 10: about how we have to improve along the way, and

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Speaker 10: this was the next step that we needed to take.

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Speaker 10: So we'll pick up the pieces and get back to

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Speaker 10: work as soon as we get on the plane.

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Speaker 1: And see if you can bounce back. You can use

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Speaker 1: that to buttress you and to you know, kind of

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Speaker 1: springboard gena more wins. It's the Doug Gottlieb Show here

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Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio, and it's that time to catch

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Speaker 1: up with our good friend Tom Tellusco, former gentle manager

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Speaker 1: of the Chargers for eleven years, Raiders last year, and

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Speaker 1: he's our gentlem manager here on the Doug Gottlieb Show.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with with last night Buffalo, your hometown by

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Speaker 1: the way, undefeated coming in and you got the Patriots,

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Speaker 1: and the Patriots have been just up and down this

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Speaker 1: year with Rabel in his first year.

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Speaker 2: What happened?

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Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, going into the year, I was not

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Speaker 8: probably on the Patriot bandwagon at first. I just thought

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Speaker 8: they were still a year or two away talent wise.

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Speaker 8: But I've just been so impressed with the job like

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Speaker 8: Rabel's doing, just with the culture of the team number one,

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Speaker 8: And then you combine that the fact with GM is

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Speaker 8: Elliott Wolf. Elliott knows players really well. So you take

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Speaker 8: a GM that knows talent, Mike Rabel knows how to

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Speaker 8: build a team, and they're much farther along than I

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Speaker 8: thought they would be. They went out in the off season.

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Speaker 8: They basically bought a new defense in the off season.

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Speaker 8: And it's one thing to have a lot of cap

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Speaker 8: space and be able to spend that money, just like

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Speaker 8: it's one thing to have a lot of n al

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Speaker 8: money to spend on portal players, but you have to

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Speaker 8: spend on the right players, and the Patriots signed the

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Speaker 8: right guys and their defense is playing really well, and

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Speaker 8: now it's not great for long term development, but for

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Speaker 8: short term it's it's really it's really helping them out.

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Speaker 8: And then Drake May was outstanding last night. So they're

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Speaker 8: farther along than I thought. Now Buffalo, it's hard, like

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Speaker 8: they've been so good for so long and really at

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Speaker 8: this point do anything that matters right now it's how

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Speaker 8: they play in a playoffs, So it's hard to have

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Speaker 8: a stinger for all seventeen weeks. I'm not overly concerned

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Speaker 8: about them. The offense is still going to be fine.

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Speaker 8: In the end. The game really came down to turnovers

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Speaker 8: because England offense. I mean, I know Drake May played

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Speaker 8: pretty well, but they didn't. New England didn't run the

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Speaker 8: ball that well. They didn't play very long third down

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Speaker 8: I think they were less than thirty percent. They give

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Speaker 8: up four sacks, but the turnovers made the difference. But

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Speaker 8: New England just the way they played, the toughness, the

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Speaker 8: situational football was impressive.

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Speaker 1: Stut Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's the

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Speaker 1: voice of Tom Telasco. Ravens are one in four now

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Speaker 1: beginning of their season. Obviously, the Browns win, but outside

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Speaker 1: of that, they played three really good teams in the Bills,

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Speaker 1: the Lions, and the Chiefs. Now they lose to the Texans,

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Speaker 1: they get blown out, they don't have Lamar Jackson rams

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Speaker 1: up next. This this reminds me on so many levels

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Speaker 1: of what college football coaches are going through, right where

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Speaker 1: here's a guy in John Harbaugh who's won since he's

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Speaker 1: been there, right like, literally haven't had a bad year,

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Speaker 1: and now all of a sudden you catch a couple

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Speaker 1: of l's where you kind of they didn't overschedule the

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Speaker 1: NFL kind of overschedule them early. Then your quarterback gets

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Speaker 1: hurt and now you're in a world of pain and

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Speaker 1: maybe come out of the bye week he can get

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Speaker 1: Lamar back. But until then, you know, if you're staring

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Speaker 1: down one in five in the face, that's hard, that's

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Speaker 1: hard to climb climb out of. And now you get

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Speaker 1: the well, maybe they've topped out under John Harbaugh. What's

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Speaker 1: that like from a GM's perspective, where you have a

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Speaker 1: guy who's won for a decade and all of a

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Speaker 1: sudden you catch a bad mix of schedule, injury, injuries,

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Speaker 1: and probably not nearly as good defensively as they've been.

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Speaker 8: That's John Harbaugh has a body of work that you

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Speaker 8: can put up against anybody, so he'll be able to

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Speaker 8: figure out where how they can weather the storm, which

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Speaker 8: they're going to have to do. I mean, they're the

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Speaker 8: amount of players they have out due to injury is

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Speaker 8: just staggering and it's hard to recover from. And it's

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Speaker 8: not just starters. These are impact players. So he's gonna

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Speaker 8: have to put a plan together just to weather the storm.

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Speaker 8: And that's what they're going to have to do. And

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Speaker 8: the only issue is on defense. When they were healthy,

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Speaker 8: they were giving up a lot of points. I mean,

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Speaker 8: they were giving up almost thirty points a game when

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Speaker 8: they had most of their starters out there. Now, like

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Speaker 8: you said, they played some good teams, but it's supposed

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Speaker 8: to be a really good defense, So that has to change.

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Speaker 8: That has to get fixed. But they've always had you know,

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Speaker 8: the Ravens haven't always just skated through the regular season

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Speaker 8: in prior years. They've had their roughs, they've had their downs.

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Speaker 8: But offensively right now they're gonna have to come up

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Speaker 8: with a plan. It's interesting they signed Cooper Rush as

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Speaker 8: their back quarterback, and I say that's interesting just because

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Speaker 8: he's a completely different style than Lamar. So you can

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Speaker 8: look at it as the opponents now they have to

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Speaker 8: prepare a little bit differently depending on who the quarterback

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Speaker 8: going to be. But also on Baltimore side, you have

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Speaker 8: to have two different offenses because they're both completely different

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Speaker 8: skill sets. So what I'd like to see from Baltimore

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Speaker 8: is just spread the ball out amongst their playmakers more.

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Speaker 8: It's just kind of the way Buffalo plays. Buffalo doesn't

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Speaker 8: have a true number one on offense, but they spread

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Speaker 8: the ball amongst their tight ends and receivers. It just

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Speaker 8: seems like the Ravens they move into this, it's all

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Speaker 8: Derrick Henry as all the flowers, and Bateman doesn't get

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Speaker 8: a lot of targets their tight end and he's getting

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Speaker 8: some more. Andrews he's getting some more, but he hasn't

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Speaker 8: gotten that many. Hopkins only had two targets the other day.

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Speaker 8: So if we could spread the ball out a little

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Speaker 8: bit more to make teams defend us, it's going to

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Speaker 8: help them. But they just have to weather the storm

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Speaker 8: right now. They're still not out of it.

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Speaker 1: You mentioned that you pay attention to that Cowboys game. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: Dak put up gigantic numbers. And if there's been one

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Speaker 1: takeaway from the Cowboys decision, it's that he does some

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Speaker 1: things that leave us scratching our heads. But keeping Brian

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Speaker 1: Schottenheimer and Dak Prescott together, he's benefited greatly from it.

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Speaker 1: When you watch that game, though, what'd you see?

864
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Speaker 8: Well, I think you're absolutely right. And when you pay

865
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Speaker 8: Dak Prescott what they pay them, you expect the quarterback

866
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 8: to raise the level of everybody around you, and that's

867
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Speaker 8: what Dak has done. And I've been at Dak fan.

868
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 8: I think he's an elite player when he's healthy. He

869
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 8: hasn't been real healthy. He's healthy the last couple of years.

870
00:46:28,440 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 8: But to see what he's doing right now, they're offensive.

871
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,400
Speaker 8: There's a number of teams right now, Minnesota, the Chargers

872
00:46:34,400 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 8: and some others that have offensive lines that are really

873
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:40,840
Speaker 8: banged up. Dallas's offensive line is really banged up. But

874
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:42,919
Speaker 8: they're still moving the ball on scoring points. So that's

875
00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 8: that's the credit to Dallas and the depth that they have.

876
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:48,040
Speaker 8: But also how Dak is playing now A got t

877
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,160
Speaker 8: d lamb out who's their best receiver, but they're spreading

878
00:46:51,160 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 8: the ball around to Ferguson to to the receivers, so

879
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 8: they're still moving the ball that way. Javonte Williams, they're

880
00:46:57,200 --> 00:46:59,440
Speaker 8: running back. They sign in Pregency was a great signing

881
00:47:00,080 --> 00:47:03,160
Speaker 8: their personnel staff. He was an excellent player at North Carolina.

882
00:47:03,160 --> 00:47:04,800
Speaker 8: I had a knee injury with the Broncos, Hatt and

883
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:07,840
Speaker 8: Quitton gotten back to Woie was was pre injury. He

884
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 8: may be back now. So it's really nice to see

885
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:14,320
Speaker 8: them with that offense, even though they have some injuries

886
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 8: that the quarterbacks still lead them and he's playing out

887
00:47:16,440 --> 00:47:17,520
Speaker 8: standing football right now.

888
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:22,440
Speaker 1: Stut Gottlieb show here on Fox Sports Radio. Was Philly,

889
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 1: Were they just fell asleep at the wheel? Or is

890
00:47:28,400 --> 00:47:31,120
Speaker 1: this the sign of things that have been brewing underneath

891
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,480
Speaker 1: the surface. They clearly tried to force the ball to

892
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Speaker 1: aj Brown to their own detriment.

893
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Speaker 8: Yeah, I totally agree, And look Lizzy Kellen Moore, who's

894
00:47:39,400 --> 00:47:41,640
Speaker 8: now the head coach of the Saints. That's a big deal,

895
00:47:41,719 --> 00:47:43,800
Speaker 8: and he's one of the best play callers in the NFL.

896
00:47:44,320 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 8: He's an experienced play caller. So now you move in

897
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,600
Speaker 8: Kevin Petulo, who's been on the staff, so they're going

898
00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:52,880
Speaker 8: to run a similar offense. But he's a little more inexperienced.

899
00:47:53,040 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 8: He's learning on the run. Now there's a first time

900
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 8: you know, the first time coordinator. You have to start somewhere.

901
00:47:58,160 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 8: I get that, but it's going to be different. And

902
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,520
Speaker 8: so this is where Nick Sirianni has an offensive background,

903
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 8: and he's to have to probably step in assist clean

904
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 8: up on the details because their identity is a running team.

905
00:48:10,760 --> 00:48:13,960
Speaker 8: That's what they are. Last year they were, you know,

906
00:48:14,040 --> 00:48:17,839
Speaker 8: a top five in scoring, but didn't throw the ball

907
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 8: very well toward the bomb in the league in passing,

908
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,439
Speaker 8: and it's the same way this year. They're thirty first

909
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,719
Speaker 8: in passing, but they're seventh is scoring. So they know

910
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:27,879
Speaker 8: how to score points. But it's gonna come in different ways.

911
00:48:27,880 --> 00:48:29,399
Speaker 8: A lot of this is gonna come off the running game.

912
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Speaker 8: So I had no problems with them in the first

913
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Speaker 8: half yesterday trying to throw the ball just to loose

914
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Speaker 8: them off to get the running game going. And that's

915
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Speaker 8: trying to you know, the Broncos had some tight boxes

916
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 8: in there, but eventually you have to get back to

917
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:42,200
Speaker 8: the run game. They have one of the best offensive

918
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Speaker 8: lines in the league, even though they're a little bit

919
00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 8: tanged up, but still in the best offensive lins that

920
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:49,319
Speaker 8: have Barkley. This is what they do, so you don't

921
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Speaker 8: want to change the philosophy that works for them, even

922
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Speaker 8: though if it's not pleasing for everybody else. And I

923
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 8: kind of felt like yesterday, like you just said, they're

924
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,680
Speaker 8: trying to force the ball to aj Brown and throw

925
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 8: the ball more than they really would want to in

926
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Speaker 8: the past. So this is where the head coach steps

927
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Speaker 8: in and gets being straightened out.

928
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Speaker 1: It's the Gottlieb Show here on Fox Sports Radio. That's

929
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: the voice of Tom te LESCo Tommy Vikings get a

930
00:49:13,200 --> 00:49:18,760
Speaker 1: win early early London time. You got to watch that game.

931
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 1: What was your breakdown of the difference in that game?

932
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Speaker 8: Yeah, six thirty star am on the West Coast, but

933
00:49:26,000 --> 00:49:27,839
Speaker 8: so you got a full day of football out here.

934
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 8: But it was thought it was an interesting game just

935
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Speaker 8: because you know, it was our first chance to see

936
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Speaker 8: Dylan Gabriel and he's playing against a really good defense

937
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:36,920
Speaker 8: with the Viking, So you knew it was going to

938
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,320
Speaker 8: be tough sweating from the start. But with Dylan Gabriel,

939
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 8: at least he gave them some hope his mobility, his

940
00:49:42,040 --> 00:49:44,920
Speaker 8: quick seat. He's got quick guys and the quick release.

941
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Speaker 8: And I did didn't think he was panicked by a

942
00:49:47,600 --> 00:49:50,520
Speaker 8: really good defense, so that his numbers they weren't great,

943
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Speaker 8: and I understand they were probably weren't going to be,

944
00:49:52,680 --> 00:49:56,120
Speaker 8: but I was still pretty encouraging. Cleveland just doesn't have

945
00:49:56,320 --> 00:50:00,399
Speaker 8: enough around him yet on offense to really get where

946
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Speaker 8: they want to go. It's going to take another year

947
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Speaker 8: or two. They had a great draft last year, it

948
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Speaker 8: was going to take a couple more, just talent wise.

949
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Speaker 8: In Minnesota, you know, we talked about offensive lines being

950
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Speaker 8: really dined up. I mean, there's no one, no one

951
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Speaker 8: more banged up than they are. And they played like

952
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Speaker 8: I mean, they gave up a ton of pressure to

953
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Speaker 8: the Browns. They didn't run the ball that well, but

954
00:50:18,920 --> 00:50:23,640
Speaker 8: the blakings they forced two turnovers. The defense plays really

955
00:50:23,640 --> 00:50:26,480
Speaker 8: well and wins did enough to win the game. So

956
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Speaker 8: but I thought was really interesting. At least Cleveland showed

957
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 8: some hope on offense, but the talent le just isn't

958
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Speaker 8: quite here, quite there yet to win a game like that.

959
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Speaker 1: Arizona loses a game in probably the most the worst

960
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:42,759
Speaker 1: imaginable way. Like there's a lot of ways to lose,

961
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,160
Speaker 1: and I know I lost twenty eight of them. Less

962
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,640
Speaker 1: you're Tom so this is not this is not me right, Like,

963
00:50:48,400 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 1: how do we How the frick did we lose that game? Well, coach,

964
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: did this happen?

965
00:50:52,200 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 2: That happen? But to.

966
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Speaker 1: Have in one half you have a guy going into

967
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Speaker 1: the end zone for a touchdown and fumble drive the

968
00:51:00,280 --> 00:51:03,400
Speaker 1: ball before he goes in right, that costs you a touchdown,

969
00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,879
Speaker 1: and then you pick him off at the You pick

970
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:08,759
Speaker 1: off a rookie quarterback at the end of the game

971
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 1: and not just take a knee instead lose the ball

972
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: and give up a touchdown. You were the gentlemanager of

973
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,160
Speaker 1: the Chargers, so there was a couple of years there

974
00:51:18,160 --> 00:51:20,600
Speaker 1: when you guys found new and inventive ways to lose

975
00:51:20,600 --> 00:51:23,359
Speaker 1: a football game. Have you ever seen anything like how

976
00:51:23,400 --> 00:51:24,600
Speaker 1: Arizona lost that game?

977
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:27,959
Speaker 8: Well, I've been a part a couple though, like you said,

978
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,440
Speaker 8: so I really appreciate that, and I probably have been

979
00:51:30,520 --> 00:51:33,919
Speaker 8: around a couple of them and watching. I didn't see

980
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 8: that whole game that'esterday where I saw how it ended up,

981
00:51:36,120 --> 00:51:37,440
Speaker 8: But I want to pull up the TV copy. I

982
00:51:37,440 --> 00:51:40,440
Speaker 8: want to watch it all the way out. But that

983
00:51:40,520 --> 00:51:42,279
Speaker 8: was one of those situations where as a GM, I'm

984
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:44,440
Speaker 8: sitting back here and you know, thank god I'm not

985
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,720
Speaker 8: in that CEA right now, because there's just no worse feeling.

986
00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:49,200
Speaker 8: Usually fourth quarter, late in the game at the gym,

987
00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:50,560
Speaker 8: you come down to the field, you stand in the

988
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:53,280
Speaker 8: tunnel and watch the end of the game and sometimes

989
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:55,719
Speaker 8: things just snowball, and that's what happened in that game,

990
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 8: where one mistake just leads to three, four or five

991
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,239
Speaker 8: more mistakes and that's how you lose the game. So

992
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 8: this is why it's critical Monday morning, when the head

993
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:05,400
Speaker 8: coach walks in the building, when the GM walks in

994
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 8: the building, when the owner walks in the building, you

995
00:52:08,040 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 8: really got to have the leadership because people are just

996
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:13,520
Speaker 8: devastated and you hate to compare losing a game to

997
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 8: a funeral, but unfortunately that's how it feels on a

998
00:52:15,920 --> 00:52:17,879
Speaker 8: Monday morning, and it feels even worse when you lose

999
00:52:17,920 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 8: a game that you really should have won. So this

1000
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 8: is where the head coach and GM you have to

1001
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 8: walk in head high and lead and get everybody back.

1002
00:52:25,960 --> 00:52:28,440
Speaker 8: You know, usually by Wednesday, you know, Tuesday is a

1003
00:52:28,440 --> 00:52:31,319
Speaker 8: player's day off, Let everybody grieve for a little bit,

1004
00:52:31,520 --> 00:52:34,759
Speaker 8: gets the drawing board, makes the correction, and leave the

1005
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 8: franchise on from there. But it's just no worse feeling

1006
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 8: because there's only seventeen games, and when you lose one

1007
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,680
Speaker 8: that you should have won, you just you'll never forget

1008
00:52:42,680 --> 00:52:44,560
Speaker 8: that game. You'll never forget that game. For their career.

1009
00:52:44,560 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 8: I've got some of those games that you just never forget,

1010
00:52:47,239 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 8: you know, on this kick you know, shoot, you're you're

1011
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,279
Speaker 8: a Charger, you are a Chargers fan. You remember them

1012
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 8: all and it just hurts you to the core. But

1013
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:56,800
Speaker 8: you have to have leaders to get over that.

1014
00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,960
Speaker 1: Geno Smith's one eight interceptions last week games, of course,

1015
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,080
Speaker 1: if you take out that Washing game where he was

1016
00:53:03,200 --> 00:53:07,000
Speaker 1: really good, I mean, he's been atrocious. How much of

1017
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 1: it is him, how much of it is they just

1018
00:53:09,920 --> 00:53:12,399
Speaker 1: don't have the overall talent to protect him, and he's

1019
00:53:12,480 --> 00:53:13,440
Speaker 1: forcing things.

1020
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 8: You know, it's hard to figure out because you know,

1021
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:18,480
Speaker 8: early in Gino's career, when he was with the Jets,

1022
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:20,560
Speaker 8: he used to make some of these interceptions, some of

1023
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:24,880
Speaker 8: these key big fair plays. But his playing Seattle was

1024
00:53:25,000 --> 00:53:28,120
Speaker 8: very consistent. He protected the football, he completed the ball

1025
00:53:28,200 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 8: to the high percentage, and he had kind of overcome that.

1026
00:53:31,800 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 8: But it's creeping up again this year and it's been

1027
00:53:34,360 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 8: really you know, through five games. So the good thing

1028
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,240
Speaker 8: is he's shown he can play at a high level,

1029
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:42,280
Speaker 8: so they need to get back to that. They're running

1030
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 8: the ball much better. Jents is the real deal. He's

1031
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 8: going to be an outstanding player. Obviously really hurt not

1032
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,120
Speaker 8: having Brock Bowers block. Bowers is their explosive threat in

1033
00:53:50,120 --> 00:53:53,440
Speaker 8: the passing game. That's and not having him was a

1034
00:53:53,760 --> 00:53:56,080
Speaker 8: pretty big deal. But defensively they just kind of felt

1035
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:58,279
Speaker 8: hard against the Colts. But the Cults are good. I mean,

1036
00:53:59,200 --> 00:54:01,560
Speaker 8: I know they don't have a lot of big name players,

1037
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:05,640
Speaker 8: but they're really talented really between quarterback, running back, offensive

1038
00:54:05,680 --> 00:54:08,640
Speaker 8: line and receiver and tight end. But tough to stop.

1039
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 8: I mean, they were eighty percent on third down yesterday,

1040
00:54:10,680 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 8: which is incredibly high. Crazy so and the narrators they

1041
00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 8: get in the red zone they couldn't score, and it's

1042
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:18,719
Speaker 8: been like that for two weeks. The Colts scored six

1043
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 8: touchdowns in the red zone. So you don't see that

1044
00:54:21,160 --> 00:54:23,120
Speaker 8: very often in the NFL. But I think with you know,

1045
00:54:23,520 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 8: he's shown he can do it, he may be pressing

1046
00:54:25,560 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 8: a little bit. You know, you get traded to a

1047
00:54:27,840 --> 00:54:31,319
Speaker 8: team you know you're the quote unquote savior because they

1048
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 8: just haven't had a great quarterback for such a long time.

1049
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 8: You get paid big money. Maybe he's taken on a

1050
00:54:36,520 --> 00:54:39,080
Speaker 8: little bit too much, but he is. I was with

1051
00:54:39,160 --> 00:54:41,800
Speaker 8: him with the Chargers for a year. He's incredibly resilient.

1052
00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:44,520
Speaker 8: He handled at versity extremely well. So I think he'll

1053
00:54:44,560 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 8: pull through.

1054
00:54:45,000 --> 00:54:48,879
Speaker 1: This Chiefs tonight against the Jags. Chiefs are favored on

1055
00:54:48,920 --> 00:54:50,440
Speaker 1: the road in Jacksonville.

1056
00:54:51,520 --> 00:54:53,759
Speaker 2: But you know, I don't.

1057
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Speaker 1: I don't know your thoughts on Trevor Lawrence on what's

1058
00:54:55,800 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 1: been missing, but it does feel like Liam Cohen's been

1059
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:02,320
Speaker 1: good for him. What your take on Lawrence from from

1060
00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:05,400
Speaker 1: a perspective of like when he was coming out he

1061
00:55:05,480 --> 00:55:09,680
Speaker 1: was a can't miss guy. It's it's been hard, it's

1062
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:11,799
Speaker 1: been up and down. Hasn't been terrible at times, but

1063
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: sometimes it's been okay. What's your read on where he is.

1064
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:15,719
Speaker 2: With Leiam Cohn?

1065
00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,160
Speaker 8: Yeah, you know, this would be a fascinating game. I

1066
00:55:19,280 --> 00:55:22,200
Speaker 8: was really not on their vandwagon going to the season,

1067
00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 8: and then all of a sudden there're three and one.

1068
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 8: I do want to see how they respond against the Chiefs.

1069
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 8: I mean, they've been just feasting on turnovers and that's

1070
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,480
Speaker 8: hard to sustain through a whole year. Trevor Lawrence has

1071
00:55:32,520 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 8: all account in the world, and you're he's just been

1072
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:36,839
Speaker 8: up and down. I mean the highs have been really high.

1073
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,960
Speaker 8: He can make some big time NFL throws. He's got

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Speaker 8: side athletic ability. There's just been those those blips here

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Speaker 8: or there, those those key interceptions that you have to

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Speaker 8: try and even out. And having a new head coach

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Speaker 8: who's also an offensive coordinator, I think would be good

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Speaker 8: for him. Maybe it looks a little bit different change

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Speaker 8: of scenery without having to move teams. But running back

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Speaker 8: Trevis etn is having resurgence. I think he's an excellent player.

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Speaker 8: We're going to see how that goes. But to me,

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Speaker 8: like the biggest thing tonight is watching Jacksonville's defense, which

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Speaker 8: is playing really well. They've got two big time pass

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Speaker 8: rushers with Josh Allen and Tavon Walker. John Walker's questionable

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Speaker 8: for tonight. I think he should go, and how they

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Speaker 8: play against the Chiefs tackles, which have just really struggled.

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Speaker 8: Rookie Josh Simmons is going to be a really good

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Speaker 8: tackle in the league. He just isn't quite ready for

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Speaker 8: prime time yet. He will be, but he's just not

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Speaker 8: there yet, and Juwan Taylor has struggled. So I'm really

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Speaker 8: curiously how Jacksonville plays. Shoot is the biggest game that

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Speaker 8: Jacksonville's had in a long time, and it's my national TV.

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Speaker 8: The Al Trevor Lawrence goes against Magnolo's defense, you know,

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Speaker 8: my national TV. It's going to be a fun game.

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Speaker 1: To watch tonight, awesome stuff. As always, Man, well enjoy

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Speaker 1: watching football. I know it's a totally different experience for you,

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Speaker 1: but uh, I just I cannot thank you enough for

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Speaker 1: joining us on a weekly basis.

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Speaker 2: We'll talk to you next week, so good Thanks Doug.

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Speaker 1: That's our guy, Tom Telesco, former general manager of the

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Speaker 1: Chargers and last year the Raiders.