WEBVTT - INTERVIEW: TIWA Savage Talks 'This One Is Personal,' Davido, Tyla, Afrobeats, Ageism, Dating, Healing + More 0:00:01.520 --> 0:00:06.360 Every day Breakfast Club. You don't feels for y'all done? 0:00:07.120 --> 0:00:08.680 Yes, it's the world most dangerous morning to show the 0:00:08.720 --> 0:00:12.360 Breakfast Club Charlamage the God DJ NV just hilarious, justin 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:14.560 and beyond here today. But Lauren Lerosa is and we 0:00:14.640 --> 0:00:16.400 got a special guest in the building. She had a 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:18.720 new album came out in August called This One Is Personal? 0:00:18.880 --> 0:00:21.960 Personal t Y Savage, good morning. 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:23.960 How you feeling. 0:00:24.040 --> 0:00:25.320 I'm good. I feel blessed. 0:00:25.440 --> 0:00:27.159 Every time I run into you in New York. You 0:00:27.240 --> 0:00:30.840 just always look amazing. Really, yes, I love literally, You're 0:00:30.880 --> 0:00:32.440 one of my favorite people to just run into because 0:00:32.440 --> 0:00:33.760 it just be so effortless every. 0:00:35.920 --> 0:00:41.239 Why are you in the same places as Lauren? Why 0:00:41.240 --> 0:00:44.479 are you in the same places as I? 0:00:44.640 --> 0:00:48.280 Like, she's in all these great places because she's this 0:00:48.400 --> 0:00:49.160 huge superstar. 0:00:49.200 --> 0:00:51.199 Okay, you know what You're right, Let me change my perspective. 0:00:52.680 --> 0:00:54.320 I was able to say something to you, but not 0:00:54.360 --> 0:00:55.960 in front of company. Some things you. 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:57.640 Need to check you're going to be best behavior. 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:00.960 Yes, the name of this album, This One is personal. 0:01:01.280 --> 0:01:02.800 When I'm looking into the album, the first thing I 0:01:02.800 --> 0:01:07.119 think is who is the main inspired this? 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:11.680 Yeah? It was, it was. It was hard. It was, 0:01:11.720 --> 0:01:13.880 But honestly, I think I feel like it's like a 0:01:13.880 --> 0:01:17.720 combination of different scenarios. I think that there's different things 0:01:17.760 --> 0:01:21.919 that I've gone through that I really haven't I hadn't 0:01:21.959 --> 0:01:24.520 dealt with and I was just moving and just going 0:01:24.560 --> 0:01:27.319 on to different things. So it's just the last one 0:01:27.440 --> 0:01:29.520 was just really like it was really bad. 0:01:29.880 --> 0:01:31.680 Yeah, it was. It was really. 0:01:31.720 --> 0:01:33.559 I don't want to give him too much credit because 0:01:34.240 --> 0:01:36.640 I'm doing way better than him, so I don't want 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:37.600 to kick him while he's down. 0:01:40.560 --> 0:01:43.679 So what there's specific moments are events that you drew 0:01:43.720 --> 0:01:45.039 on while making this album. 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:49.200 Every single thing was something. It wasn't like, you know, 0:01:49.280 --> 0:01:51.400 like when you're writing or you're in the studio and 0:01:51.400 --> 0:01:55.480 you're kind of fabricating stuff. No, everything was like exactly 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:58.800 what I went through, every single emotion, every single line, 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:02.040 everything was like, yeah, it was deep. So and that 0:02:02.120 --> 0:02:05.600 was really important for me for this project because doing 0:02:06.040 --> 0:02:10.000 Aphrobe a lot of times is about feel good, right. 0:02:12.280 --> 0:02:14.600 I decided to take a leap of faith and just 0:02:14.760 --> 0:02:17.120 really put out my heart, which we don't really get 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:18.560 in in aphrob. 0:02:19.280 --> 0:02:21.360 That's interesting because you know, when I'm here now, it 0:02:21.360 --> 0:02:23.840 does sound like it's more traditional R and B. Yeah, right, 0:02:24.320 --> 0:02:26.600 So you think it's I don't want to say impossible, 0:02:26.600 --> 0:02:29.880 but it's hard to deliver these kind of messages with afrobeats. 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:32.320 I don't think so. But for me it was hard 0:02:32.320 --> 0:02:34.720 for me because I'm from I fell in love with 0:02:34.840 --> 0:02:37.200 R and B. That's like, that was what really got 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:40.359 me into doing music. Like you know, I saw Brandy 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:42.880 and that's how I was like, yeah, I started shedding 0:02:42.880 --> 0:02:45.320 Brandy and listened to Brandy. So for me, that's my 0:02:45.440 --> 0:02:48.920 comfort zone. So when I want to listen to something 0:02:48.960 --> 0:02:50.880 to evoke some kind of emotion, I go back to 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:52.760 my R and B playlist. So I had to go 0:02:52.840 --> 0:02:54.880 back to that for me. I mean, other people can 0:02:55.000 --> 0:02:57.720 can do it with aphrobe but it wasn't it's not 0:02:57.800 --> 0:03:00.800 typically what I would do. Yes, So I went back 0:03:00.840 --> 0:03:01.600 to my first love. 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:03.520 I could feel the Brandy in it. But even too, 0:03:03.520 --> 0:03:05.440 I think the sound and softness of your voice on 0:03:05.480 --> 0:03:07.760 some of the songs, which I don't probably do a purpose. 0:03:07.800 --> 0:03:11.560 It's just your voice, but it is very Brandy reminiscent. 0:03:11.200 --> 0:03:14.280 Like nah, she's like my mentor man, like she's like yeah. 0:03:14.880 --> 0:03:18.040 The reason why I even really really got into music was, yeah, 0:03:18.200 --> 0:03:21.960 just studying her, like studying her harmonies, her vocal air 0:03:22.080 --> 0:03:24.520 and everything was just yeah, man. 0:03:24.840 --> 0:03:27.240 Do you guys have a personal relationship too, We're just 0:03:27.280 --> 0:03:28.760 like aspirational mentor. 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:31.440 Well we have a song together. So we've done a 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:36.520 song together called Somebody's Son, And yeah, definitely obviously worked 0:03:36.520 --> 0:03:38.880 with her, did the video and we're still you know, 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:43.240 in DMS and things were still Yeah, yeah, she's she's incredible. 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:47.920 You know they always say, don't meet your idol es. Yeah, no, 0:03:48.160 --> 0:03:51.200 it was, yeah, she was. It was completely different. I 0:03:51.320 --> 0:03:53.880 was so in awe of her, Like recording it in 0:03:53.880 --> 0:03:55.119 the studio, I couldn't even stay. 0:03:55.120 --> 0:03:56.960 I had to leave the studio. 0:03:57.040 --> 0:03:59.720 Yeah, yeah, I couldn't stay. Like wow, yeah. 0:03:59.560 --> 0:04:03.000 It was it was like did that fuck with your performance? 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:05.040 Was that message your performance? 0:04:05.080 --> 0:04:07.560 Like do you feel like oh, I'd already recorded my part. 0:04:07.640 --> 0:04:10.240 So when I was just sitting there just listening to 0:04:10.280 --> 0:04:14.200 her in the studio, like I was just like wow, 0:04:14.240 --> 0:04:16.880 I remembered when I was just like thirteen fourteen. I 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:19.760 had to just step out to be like, yoh God, 0:04:19.880 --> 0:04:21.680 are you really doing this for me? Is this really 0:04:21.680 --> 0:04:23.640 happening here? It was like a blessing of. 0:04:24.320 --> 0:04:26.760 How did you decide which stories you were ready to 0:04:26.839 --> 0:04:28.760 share on this album and which ones you want to 0:04:28.839 --> 0:04:29.360 keep private. 0:04:29.760 --> 0:04:32.600 I didn't keep anything I did. I just I put 0:04:32.839 --> 0:04:35.000 everything out like. I was just like, yeah, I need 0:04:35.040 --> 0:04:37.720 to and a lot of people doubted. A lot of 0:04:37.760 --> 0:04:40.640 you know, people were like, m it's a bit too personal. 0:04:40.800 --> 0:04:43.320 People are not really going to relate. It's a bit 0:04:43.360 --> 0:04:47.120 too musical because I had like on ten percent, for instance, 0:04:47.120 --> 0:04:50.040 I had like live instruments. I went to Nashville and 0:04:50.400 --> 0:04:54.279 those are live horns, live guitars, live drum, live bass. 0:04:55.120 --> 0:04:57.680 I even had like, instead of some songs, I didn't 0:04:57.680 --> 0:04:59.960 put like a second verse, I put like a musical break. 0:05:00.640 --> 0:05:02.680 And people are like, no, in the world of TikTok, 0:05:02.800 --> 0:05:05.039 no one's really gonna no, one's really going to mess 0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:07.680 with this type of music. So it was just like, yeah, no, 0:05:07.960 --> 0:05:12.080 this is I studied music, so I need to I 0:05:12.120 --> 0:05:14.159 need to go back to my root. And I wasn't 0:05:14.320 --> 0:05:17.280 worried about streams or anything like. Seriously, I really. 0:05:17.080 --> 0:05:19.560 Wasn't such an interesting song because you say that your 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:26.120 phone was in the studio from some guys somebody signed. 0:05:26.040 --> 0:05:29.760 No, no, seriously no, it was in the middle of 0:05:29.839 --> 0:05:33.800 the session. Yes, And I went to get some yes, 0:05:34.120 --> 0:05:37.280 and I'm not like literally like I just got out 0:05:37.279 --> 0:05:39.200 of that situation and I was like, I'm going to 0:05:39.240 --> 0:05:41.400 be outside. I don't care like I want to just 0:05:41.720 --> 0:05:45.279 you know, just be wild. And yeah, I got I 0:05:45.320 --> 0:05:47.159 got a message and it was just like come over 0:05:47.240 --> 0:05:49.360 and I was like, then I got a picture and 0:05:49.400 --> 0:05:59.000 I was like, oh, oh my god, did you why 0:05:59.080 --> 0:05:59.719 that's something? 0:06:00.640 --> 0:06:02.600 It was a picture, not a video though, that was 0:06:02.640 --> 0:06:03.040 a picture. 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:05.000 You know, we called it, we call it being digmatized. 0:06:05.360 --> 0:06:05.640 Wa. 0:06:07.000 --> 0:06:09.000 You're in the middle of a studio session. You work 0:06:09.600 --> 0:06:11.880 towards your goals and your dreams. 0:06:11.440 --> 0:06:14.919 And just ca yeah, because you know, it's like you know, 0:06:15.040 --> 0:06:16.600 like when you're going to the gym, you're learning to 0:06:16.640 --> 0:06:18.360 work out so you can you free your mind. 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:22.440 Okay, your phone was on ten percent though, did it 0:06:22.480 --> 0:06:23.000 die in the car? 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:25.279 You just know I was fast, That's what I was. 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:26.960 I was. I was getting fast. I was I was 0:06:26.960 --> 0:06:28.880 telling my driver like, you need to hurry out because 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:30.520 you know, when I get to his place, I want 0:06:30.520 --> 0:06:32.360 to be able to call him and be like I'm downstairs. 0:06:32.680 --> 0:06:34.640 You didn't have to drive if they had a charger. 0:06:34.920 --> 0:06:37.119 No, no, I was my car, but was my driver 0:06:38.400 --> 0:06:39.679 charge in your No, I didn't. 0:06:39.720 --> 0:06:41.839 You were about the wrong thing. She was in the 0:06:41.880 --> 0:06:44.279 back spring on the little sprit spray get look right 0:06:44.400 --> 0:06:47.240 like she was getting you ready, already ready. 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:50.440 It was hold on that you got your mind cleared 0:06:51.480 --> 0:06:52.760 and you went back to the studio. 0:06:53.160 --> 0:06:55.560 I didn't go back that day. Iay, I know, I 0:06:55.600 --> 0:06:57.360 was like I was in the rush. He wasn't trying 0:06:57.400 --> 0:06:57.720 to kick me. 0:06:57.839 --> 0:07:00.360 You spend the night, what day? 0:07:00.680 --> 0:07:03.000 Forget a bit now. 0:07:06.040 --> 0:07:07.720 I just want to know creatively, what came to you 0:07:07.760 --> 0:07:12.120 after you. 0:07:12.520 --> 0:07:13.040 Addicted? 0:07:13.840 --> 0:07:16.760 Oh okay, all right. 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:19.120 Oh my god. 0:07:19.800 --> 0:07:21.360 And it said it took you two years to make 0:07:21.360 --> 0:07:23.800 this album, Yeah it did. Why because what were some 0:07:23.880 --> 0:07:24.760 of the biggest challenges. 0:07:25.720 --> 0:07:29.120 I would stop and start. Initially, I would like a 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:32.280 lot of people trying to convince me to go more 0:07:32.320 --> 0:07:34.320 afro beat. So I would be in the studio and 0:07:34.360 --> 0:07:37.160 I'll record a lot, and then I'll listen to it 0:07:37.200 --> 0:07:40.200 and I'll start and I'll say, no, I want to 0:07:40.240 --> 0:07:43.920 really do this type of project that's R and B leaning, 0:07:43.920 --> 0:07:45.200 and I have to do it in my full chest. 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:48.600 I can't just dabble like I've been doing for years. 0:07:48.640 --> 0:07:51.760 So it took me two years to just and also 0:07:51.840 --> 0:07:54.760 like mentally to be ready emotionally to get through that, 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:59.480 to be able to sing sing, sing, And I think 0:07:59.480 --> 0:08:01.120 when you're when you want to do like R and 0:08:01.120 --> 0:08:04.560 B records, you have to singing. You can't just I 0:08:04.560 --> 0:08:06.560 can kind of get away with it sometimes enough for me, 0:08:07.080 --> 0:08:09.680 but vocally I had to get my chops up, so 0:08:09.760 --> 0:08:13.040 it took me a while. Do you get a pushback 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:15.880 from some fans because like, you know, I know you dibble, 0:08:15.960 --> 0:08:18.320 dabble into R and B, but now this project is 0:08:18.520 --> 0:08:19.400 very much R and B. 0:08:19.760 --> 0:08:22.320 It doesn't sound like afrobeats? Are they? How do they 0:08:22.320 --> 0:08:23.760 feel about that? You're fans? 0:08:25.320 --> 0:08:27.600 My real fans really know that this is what I 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:31.080 wanted to do. Anybody else I don't care. I'm not 0:08:31.120 --> 0:08:35.160 seeking their opinion. Yeah, so I don't. But to be honest, 0:08:36.080 --> 0:08:40.000 I've gotten so much love, yes, from even people that 0:08:40.360 --> 0:08:44.240 weren't my fans, people who didn't even really listen to 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:47.360 your savage for instance, to be like yo, and a 0:08:47.360 --> 0:08:49.920 lot of them don't even know I'm like jan so 0:08:49.960 --> 0:08:53.640 they're like yeah, but they think I'm just like, you know, 0:08:54.200 --> 0:08:56.960 an American singing like and they're like, who's this new whatever? 0:08:57.040 --> 0:09:00.840 And I'm like, yo, she's African. Wow. Like, so it's 0:09:00.920 --> 0:09:03.360 opening me up to like a whole new audience. 0:09:03.800 --> 0:09:06.280 I was talking about how crazy it is. When I 0:09:06.360 --> 0:09:08.280 was seeing you around for fashion week. There were a 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:10.200 lot of people that I was with who didn't know 0:09:10.240 --> 0:09:13.400 who you were. But because you were so gorgeous and like, 0:09:13.440 --> 0:09:15.360 you know, you're performing and you're walking in the shows, 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:16.559 They're like, who is this girl? 0:09:16.880 --> 0:09:17.960 I don't know her? 0:09:18.240 --> 0:09:20.000 But coming over here to the US, there probably are 0:09:20.080 --> 0:09:22.559 a lot of people, even though you've been back and forth, 0:09:22.600 --> 0:09:24.760 you know, that are discovering you. Now, what is that 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:26.240 like for you because you've been here. 0:09:26.720 --> 0:09:30.520 Yeah, you know a lot of artists find it hard 0:09:30.679 --> 0:09:34.240 because they're so big in their territory or whatever. They 0:09:34.280 --> 0:09:36.880 find it hard to like, I don't know if it's 0:09:36.920 --> 0:09:38.600 an ego thing, but they find it hard to like 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:41.800 go somewhere where maybe nobody knows who they are. Yeah, Like, 0:09:41.960 --> 0:09:45.600 and I love that. I actually think that it's an 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:49.480 opportunity for me to reintroduce myself again and like learn 0:09:49.559 --> 0:09:53.240 from maybe stuff that I've done and where people actually 0:09:53.360 --> 0:09:56.720 know me and they know things about me that yeah, 0:09:56.720 --> 0:09:59.920 I'm trying to like shy away from. So for me, 0:10:00.120 --> 0:10:02.560 this is my introduction again to like a new market. 0:10:02.600 --> 0:10:06.680 I love it. I love going to like you said, 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:09.600 places and they don't know, they don't know who I am, 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:12.480 and I'm just introducing myself. I'm starting all over again, 0:10:13.080 --> 0:10:17.800 but this time I'm starting better because I've learned. Now 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:20.800 there's certain things that I may not do or I 0:10:20.880 --> 0:10:21.199 may do it. 0:10:21.360 --> 0:10:23.679 But when people look you up, you know, they say, oh, 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:26.800 she's the Queen of AfroB that's that's an expectation. 0:10:26.880 --> 0:10:27.880 Yeah, yeah, And I know that. 0:10:27.880 --> 0:10:30.959 You always reject the title quick, why is it? 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:34.720 I don't reject it, but I feel like i've you know, 0:10:34.800 --> 0:10:37.080 when I've embraced it in the past, they feel like 0:10:37.120 --> 0:10:41.280 I've done it and I've excluded other women or I've 0:10:41.280 --> 0:10:44.200 felt like I'm the only one. And so now I 0:10:44.320 --> 0:10:46.760 try to explain that, Yeah, I do embrace it. I 0:10:46.800 --> 0:10:49.360 love it. I'm not shying away from it. But there 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:52.480 are other other women that you know should get that 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:56.360 or should get that. I get that spotlight. 0:10:56.880 --> 0:10:58.839 You think people put African artists in a box. 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:02.200 All the time. I think even with award shows, like 0:11:03.760 --> 0:11:05.880 you go to award shows and then there's a whole 0:11:05.880 --> 0:11:11.360 continent in one category, like an aprob B category and 0:11:11.400 --> 0:11:14.920 then you're like, I'm not doing what Berner's doing. I'm 0:11:14.920 --> 0:11:17.760 not doing what Tyler's doing or whatever. It's just a 0:11:17.880 --> 0:11:21.800 whole different like it's a continent, like we speak different languages. 0:11:21.840 --> 0:11:25.360 So it's like, for me, it was really important for 0:11:25.360 --> 0:11:28.640 me to also do this for them not to put 0:11:28.679 --> 0:11:31.760 me in a box because I can't like R and 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:35.480 B is you know my background, and I can do 0:11:35.559 --> 0:11:38.640 it authentically well, and I want that to be able 0:11:38.679 --> 0:11:41.160 to inspire other people where you know, they want to 0:11:41.200 --> 0:11:43.400 do a hip hop art album and you know what 0:11:43.559 --> 0:11:46.080 I mean, do it well if you're going to do it. 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:49.120 But yeah, just because you're from a certain place doesn't 0:11:49.160 --> 0:11:50.920 mean you should only do that type of music. 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:55.959 It's gonna be interesting to see how musical award shows 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:59.160 recognize this album, right, because yeah, because it should be 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:03.760 in the R and B Cady right in the know and. 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:07.319 Yeah, and that's that's nerve wrecking for me too. Actually, 0:12:07.400 --> 0:12:09.560 But again, I think I've just blocked my mind to 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:12.160 like I'm not doing it forwards, I'm not doing it forever. 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:15.240 I'm doing it for like my core fans, Like that's 0:12:15.280 --> 0:12:17.599 that's the only way I can Otherwise I wouldn't have 0:12:17.640 --> 0:12:19.599 been able to do it. I would have snuck in 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:24.319 more aphrobeat records, more aphrobeat features and collapse, and it 0:12:24.360 --> 0:12:26.439 would defeat the purpose, Like I wouldn't I wouldn't be 0:12:26.480 --> 0:12:28.760 doing it with my full test. Yeah, so I need 0:12:28.760 --> 0:12:31.160 to I needed to get away from that. 0:12:31.520 --> 0:12:34.000 What's the background of your like, like, where does your 0:12:34.040 --> 0:12:36.840 love for R and B come from? Because looking you up, 0:12:36.880 --> 0:12:39.640 I saw that you wrote for Monica prior to you 0:12:39.640 --> 0:12:41.320 do back you sung back up from Mary J. 0:12:41.400 --> 0:12:41.760 Blanche. 0:12:42.320 --> 0:12:45.600 You put vocals on one of Winnie Houston's Houston's last albums. 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:48.280 How did you fall? Like you don't you know not 0:12:48.320 --> 0:12:49.760 even how did you fall? You don't fall into that 0:12:49.760 --> 0:12:51.560 type of stuff, So what was the journey getting to 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:53.120 that point of those things? 0:12:53.440 --> 0:12:55.160 It was It's like a snowball effect. So I was 0:12:55.160 --> 0:12:59.240 in London. I started I went for backup, like the 0:12:59.280 --> 0:13:02.760 auditions for like backup singing. I got it. I was 0:13:02.800 --> 0:13:04.840 like excited, like yo, I'm getting paid to do this, 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:09.640 Like this is crazy. And then from there I'm watching 0:13:09.720 --> 0:13:12.840 TV I see I want to be down Brandy and 0:13:12.880 --> 0:13:16.200 I'm just obsessed by it. So I just really started 0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:19.080 studying studying her, and then you just get into like 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:22.959 this rabbit hole where you're now discovering Monica and SWV 0:13:23.320 --> 0:13:25.480 and Mary J. Blige and it's just going and going, 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:28.720 and then I'm just getting good at it, like and 0:13:28.720 --> 0:13:32.120 then I'm getting gigs from just doing backup vocals from 0:13:32.120 --> 0:13:37.000 doing backup vocals. My dad. My dad is like, you 0:13:37.040 --> 0:13:40.079 can't do music unless you study for music African parents, 0:13:40.120 --> 0:13:45.040 And I'm like right. So my first degree was an 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:48.360 account So I did accounts, gave him the degree. I said, 0:13:48.360 --> 0:13:49.760 I want to go into music. He said, no, you 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:52.320 have to study music. I'm like that, Michael Jackson did 0:13:52.360 --> 0:13:54.880 not go to school with music, Like that's not what 0:13:54.920 --> 0:13:57.880 we do, and he forced me to go. In an 0:13:57.920 --> 0:14:01.559 audition for Berkeley and Boston. I got a full scholarship. 0:14:02.360 --> 0:14:06.800 Studied jazz, and then I studied songwriting and then like, yeah, 0:14:06.840 --> 0:14:09.920 I just studied building my resume from there. Wow, that's 0:14:09.960 --> 0:14:11.040 pretty insane. 0:14:11.480 --> 0:14:13.360 On the song I'm Done, you say you don't want 0:14:13.360 --> 0:14:13.920 to love again? 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:14.880 Yeah? 0:14:15.000 --> 0:14:16.040 Do you feel that way for real? 0:14:16.200 --> 0:14:17.600 I really, I really do. 0:14:18.000 --> 0:14:20.720 What Yeah, gotta be careful what you say to the universe. 0:14:20.760 --> 0:14:26.120 Now, Yeah, I know, I know, And I just that 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:28.800 place was dark, you know, it was really for me 0:14:28.880 --> 0:14:33.720 to I, Ah, I'm scared that someone's gonna come or 0:14:33.760 --> 0:14:36.400 the right person's gonna come, and I'm just gonna project 0:14:36.400 --> 0:14:42.360 my trauma on them. Yeah, that's because I'm going to 0:14:42.400 --> 0:14:46.360 give everything. I'm really honestly going to give everything. And 0:14:46.400 --> 0:14:50.600 can I really do that again? And just unless God 0:14:50.640 --> 0:14:53.680 opens up the heavens and says, this is my child, 0:14:53.800 --> 0:14:56.880 this is who you're supposed to be with. I can't. 0:14:56.960 --> 0:14:58.960 I can't see myself opening up like that again. 0:14:59.000 --> 0:15:03.440 But if God is, if you know that you have unhealed. 0:15:03.080 --> 0:15:08.880 Trumple, yeah, I would say about seventy percent eight I am. 0:15:09.560 --> 0:15:11.800 I'm still doing it every day. I still yeah, I 0:15:11.840 --> 0:15:12.320 still do it. 0:15:12.360 --> 0:15:14.960 So you don't want to meet somebody until you are 0:15:14.960 --> 0:15:16.200 a more healed version. 0:15:16.040 --> 0:15:20.360 Of Yeah, I need to be completely like got you? Yeah, completely, 0:15:20.360 --> 0:15:21.520 one hundred percent whole. 0:15:21.480 --> 0:15:22.720 Because right now you're just toxic. 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:24.280 No I'm not. 0:15:26.720 --> 0:15:29.520 No way, are you hurt still? 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:31.040 No? 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:35.840 I think nah that that situation, all those situations is done. No, 0:15:36.560 --> 0:15:40.600 I'm just I'm just a bit. I'm just wary man, 0:15:40.720 --> 0:15:46.000 because I can't I don't believe words. Yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:15:46.000 --> 0:15:48.400 I don't believe Yeah, I don't believe. I don't believe words. 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:51.640 I'm just I'm hard now, Like, yeah, you have to 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:53.040 you have to really come hard. 0:15:54.280 --> 0:15:57.080 You said this albums therapeutic for you. It was, so 0:15:57.280 --> 0:15:59.320 have you ever actually gone to there? 0:15:59.520 --> 0:15:59.680 Yeah? 0:15:59.720 --> 0:16:01.320 Yeah, okay, And I still do. 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:05.000 Like before it used to be regular, like a couple 0:16:05.040 --> 0:16:09.040 of times a week, but now it's like as of 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:11.760 when I need it, Like if I feel like, okay, 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:14.760 I need to just talk to someone about something, yeah, 0:16:14.800 --> 0:16:17.880 then I still do. And I think we don't talk 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:21.480 about it a lot in my culture. Yeah, yeah, it's 0:16:21.520 --> 0:16:21.920 a stigma. 0:16:22.000 --> 0:16:23.880 I mean, I think it's just black people all across the. 0:16:23.880 --> 0:16:24.640 World here as well. 0:16:25.200 --> 0:16:26.320 I think it's changed. 0:16:26.440 --> 0:16:28.800 I feel like more you guys are more open to it. 0:16:28.800 --> 0:16:30.400 It's changed over the last several years. 0:16:30.480 --> 0:16:33.520 Yeah, I think. So, yeah, you're not. And Niger's like, what, no, 0:16:33.760 --> 0:16:39.880 just go to church, I believe right here. 0:16:39.920 --> 0:16:41.400 I think it depends on the age of the person 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:44.480 you're talking to. Certain age of like it's like older 0:16:44.520 --> 0:16:46.920 I know, like my family, older black women in my 0:16:46.960 --> 0:16:49.560 family will tell you just go to church, but they 0:16:49.840 --> 0:16:53.160 mean you need to speak to someone, yes, yeah, and 0:16:53.200 --> 0:16:55.560 all the things. But we younger will say you should 0:16:55.560 --> 0:16:57.400 probably do therapy or talk to a friend or something 0:16:57.440 --> 0:16:57.680 like that. 0:16:57.760 --> 0:17:00.320 Yeah, yeah, yeah, but a lot of people use chat 0:17:01.720 --> 0:17:04.440 for therapy. Yeah, a lot of people say to me, 0:17:04.440 --> 0:17:07.040 you're wasting your money, just put it into the chat. 0:17:07.119 --> 0:17:09.720 I'm like, what crazy? 0:17:10.320 --> 0:17:12.480 When did you realize that you just didn't want to 0:17:12.520 --> 0:17:15.320 love again? Though, because I feel like that's a temporary thing. 0:17:15.359 --> 0:17:20.920 Because one, yeah, I love my son, Yes, absolutely right, 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:24.160 I love my team, I love you know, my friends. 0:17:24.280 --> 0:17:27.280 I've been married before. I'm like, yeah, I'm not I'm 0:17:27.320 --> 0:17:30.760 not young. I'm forty five. Yeah, I'm good. 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:36.080 But you love other things like penis. 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:46.880 I don't know if I come attached to I've gone. 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:50.199 Like maybe like three years without. I know, it's not 0:17:50.240 --> 0:17:53.440 something like I really like I'm crazy. 0:17:53.119 --> 0:17:57.840 About Yeah, three hundred and sixty five days time time. 0:17:58.320 --> 0:17:59.680 Yeah, I've done that. 0:18:00.440 --> 0:18:02.240 So you don't need so so you have to be 0:18:02.240 --> 0:18:03.040 in love to take it. 0:18:03.200 --> 0:18:05.080 Yes, yes, I don't have to be with someone for 0:18:05.160 --> 0:18:08.800 me to even think about it. Like I don't have toys, like, yeah. 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:09.600 I understand that. 0:18:09.760 --> 0:18:12.359 Yeah, maybe I need to. Maybe that's what for my 0:18:12.440 --> 0:18:15.280 Christmas present. Maybe people should get me some toys right now. 0:18:15.520 --> 0:18:17.639 Now, you have a whole bunch of roles just for Christmas. 0:18:17.680 --> 0:18:21.120 You're wondering why why all these boxes Buzzing't they're gonna 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:22.080 be checking them for bombs? 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:26.320 That go ahead. 0:18:26.720 --> 0:18:29.000 I was gonna say you you recently got your fans going. 0:18:29.320 --> 0:18:31.399 You're trying to figure out who you were talking about. 0:18:32.000 --> 0:18:34.240 You did an interview, You did an interview. You talk 0:18:34.280 --> 0:18:37.520 about the secret romance, and you know this the celebrity 0:18:37.560 --> 0:18:39.520 you were dating, and it had to be on the 0:18:39.560 --> 0:18:41.439 low and they would do parties at the house and 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:43.280 you would stay away from the people when the parties 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:45.480 would be going on. Now people want to know who 0:18:45.480 --> 0:18:47.080 to because people think you're talking about whiz Kid. 0:18:47.200 --> 0:18:50.000 Yeah, I know, and you know, my shout out to Wiskit. 0:18:50.080 --> 0:18:52.600 I love risk It, I respect Whisky is not about 0:18:52.880 --> 0:18:56.200 as skined I said the person was a public figure, 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:58.240 but I didn't he's not. He's not artist. 0:18:58.600 --> 0:18:59.840 Oh so just like someone of them? 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:04.600 Yeah someone yeah, so yeah. Man. I woke up and 0:19:04.640 --> 0:19:06.919 I saw that and I was just like, oh my god, 0:19:07.040 --> 0:19:11.600