Speaker 1: Every day Breakfast Club. You don't feels for y'all done?
Speaker 2: Yes, it's the world most dangerous morning to show the
Speaker 2: Breakfast Club Charlamage the God DJ NV just hilarious, justin
Speaker 2: and beyond here today. But Lauren Lerosa is and we
Speaker 2: got a special guest in the building. She had a
Speaker 2: new album came out in August called This One Is Personal?
Speaker 2: Personal t Y Savage, good morning.
Speaker 1: How you feeling.
Speaker 3: I'm good. I feel blessed.
Speaker 4: Every time I run into you in New York. You
Speaker 4: just always look amazing. Really, yes, I love literally, You're
Speaker 4: one of my favorite people to just run into because
Speaker 4: it just be so effortless every.
Speaker 1: Why are you in the same places as Lauren? Why
Speaker 1: are you in the same places as I?
Speaker 4: Like, she's in all these great places because she's this
Speaker 4: huge superstar.
Speaker 1: Okay, you know what You're right, Let me change my perspective.
Speaker 4: I was able to say something to you, but not
Speaker 4: in front of company. Some things you.
Speaker 3: Need to check you're going to be best behavior.
Speaker 2: Yes, the name of this album, This One is personal.
Speaker 2: When I'm looking into the album, the first thing I
Speaker 2: think is who is the main inspired this?
Speaker 3: Yeah? It was, it was. It was hard. It was,
Speaker 3: But honestly, I think I feel like it's like a
Speaker 3: combination of different scenarios. I think that there's different things
Speaker 3: that I've gone through that I really haven't I hadn't
Speaker 3: dealt with and I was just moving and just going
Speaker 3: on to different things. So it's just the last one
Speaker 3: was just really like it was really bad.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was. It was really.
Speaker 3: I don't want to give him too much credit because
Speaker 3: I'm doing way better than him, so I don't want
Speaker 3: to kick him while he's down.
Speaker 1: So what there's specific moments are events that you drew
Speaker 1: on while making this album.
Speaker 3: Every single thing was something. It wasn't like, you know,
Speaker 3: like when you're writing or you're in the studio and
Speaker 3: you're kind of fabricating stuff. No, everything was like exactly
Speaker 3: what I went through, every single emotion, every single line,
Speaker 3: everything was like, yeah, it was deep. So and that
Speaker 3: was really important for me for this project because doing
Speaker 3: Aphrobe a lot of times is about feel good, right.
Speaker 3: I decided to take a leap of faith and just
Speaker 3: really put out my heart, which we don't really get
Speaker 3: in in aphrob.
Speaker 2: That's interesting because you know, when I'm here now, it
Speaker 2: does sound like it's more traditional R and B. Yeah, right,
Speaker 2: So you think it's I don't want to say impossible,
Speaker 2: but it's hard to deliver these kind of messages with afrobeats.
Speaker 3: I don't think so. But for me it was hard
Speaker 3: for me because I'm from I fell in love with
Speaker 3: R and B. That's like, that was what really got
Speaker 3: me into doing music. Like you know, I saw Brandy
Speaker 3: and that's how I was like, yeah, I started shedding
Speaker 3: Brandy and listened to Brandy. So for me, that's my
Speaker 3: comfort zone. So when I want to listen to something
Speaker 3: to evoke some kind of emotion, I go back to
Speaker 3: my R and B playlist. So I had to go
Speaker 3: back to that for me. I mean, other people can
Speaker 3: can do it with aphrobe but it wasn't it's not
Speaker 3: typically what I would do. Yes, So I went back
Speaker 3: to my first love.
Speaker 4: I could feel the Brandy in it. But even too,
Speaker 4: I think the sound and softness of your voice on
Speaker 4: some of the songs, which I don't probably do a purpose.
Speaker 4: It's just your voice, but it is very Brandy reminiscent.
Speaker 3: Like nah, she's like my mentor man, like she's like yeah.
Speaker 3: The reason why I even really really got into music was, yeah,
Speaker 3: just studying her, like studying her harmonies, her vocal air
Speaker 3: and everything was just yeah, man.
Speaker 4: Do you guys have a personal relationship too, We're just
Speaker 4: like aspirational mentor.
Speaker 3: Well we have a song together. So we've done a
Speaker 3: song together called Somebody's Son, And yeah, definitely obviously worked
Speaker 3: with her, did the video and we're still you know,
Speaker 3: in DMS and things were still Yeah, yeah, she's she's incredible.
Speaker 3: You know they always say, don't meet your idol es. Yeah, no,
Speaker 3: it was, yeah, she was. It was completely different. I
Speaker 3: was so in awe of her, Like recording it in
Speaker 3: the studio, I couldn't even stay.
Speaker 4: I had to leave the studio.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I couldn't stay. Like wow, yeah.
Speaker 1: It was it was like did that fuck with your performance?
Speaker 1: Was that message your performance?
Speaker 3: Like do you feel like oh, I'd already recorded my part.
Speaker 3: So when I was just sitting there just listening to
Speaker 3: her in the studio, like I was just like wow,
Speaker 3: I remembered when I was just like thirteen fourteen. I
Speaker 3: had to just step out to be like, yoh God,
Speaker 3: are you really doing this for me? Is this really
Speaker 3: happening here? It was like a blessing of.
Speaker 2: How did you decide which stories you were ready to
Speaker 2: share on this album and which ones you want to
Speaker 2: keep private.
Speaker 3: I didn't keep anything I did. I just I put
Speaker 3: everything out like. I was just like, yeah, I need
Speaker 3: to and a lot of people doubted. A lot of
Speaker 3: you know, people were like, m it's a bit too personal.
Speaker 3: People are not really going to relate. It's a bit
Speaker 3: too musical because I had like on ten percent, for instance,
Speaker 3: I had like live instruments. I went to Nashville and
Speaker 3: those are live horns, live guitars, live drum, live bass.
Speaker 3: I even had like, instead of some songs, I didn't
Speaker 3: put like a second verse, I put like a musical break.
Speaker 3: And people are like, no, in the world of TikTok,
Speaker 3: no one's really gonna no, one's really going to mess
Speaker 3: with this type of music. So it was just like, yeah, no,
Speaker 3: this is I studied music, so I need to I
Speaker 3: need to go back to my root. And I wasn't
Speaker 3: worried about streams or anything like. Seriously, I really.
Speaker 2: Wasn't such an interesting song because you say that your
Speaker 2: phone was in the studio from some guys somebody signed.
Speaker 3: No, no, seriously no, it was in the middle of
Speaker 3: the session. Yes, And I went to get some yes,
Speaker 3: and I'm not like literally like I just got out
Speaker 3: of that situation and I was like, I'm going to
Speaker 3: be outside. I don't care like I want to just
Speaker 3: you know, just be wild. And yeah, I got I
Speaker 3: got a message and it was just like come over
Speaker 3: and I was like, then I got a picture and
Speaker 3: I was like, oh, oh my god, did you why
Speaker 3: that's something?
Speaker 4: It was a picture, not a video though, that was
Speaker 4: a picture.
Speaker 1: You know, we called it, we call it being digmatized.
Speaker 4: Wa.
Speaker 2: You're in the middle of a studio session. You work
Speaker 2: towards your goals and your dreams.
Speaker 3: And just ca yeah, because you know, it's like you know,
Speaker 3: like when you're going to the gym, you're learning to
Speaker 3: work out so you can you free your mind.
Speaker 4: Okay, your phone was on ten percent though, did it
Speaker 4: die in the car?
Speaker 3: You just know I was fast, That's what I was.
Speaker 3: I was. I was getting fast. I was I was
Speaker 3: telling my driver like, you need to hurry out because
Speaker 3: you know, when I get to his place, I want
Speaker 3: to be able to call him and be like I'm downstairs.
Speaker 1: You didn't have to drive if they had a charger.
Speaker 3: No, no, I was my car, but was my driver
Speaker 3: charge in your No, I didn't.
Speaker 4: You were about the wrong thing. She was in the
Speaker 4: back spring on the little sprit spray get look right
Speaker 4: like she was getting you ready, already ready.
Speaker 1: It was hold on that you got your mind cleared
Speaker 1: and you went back to the studio.
Speaker 3: I didn't go back that day. Iay, I know, I
Speaker 3: was like I was in the rush. He wasn't trying
Speaker 3: to kick me.
Speaker 4: You spend the night, what day?
Speaker 3: Forget a bit now.
Speaker 2: I just want to know creatively, what came to you
Speaker 2: after you.
Speaker 4: Addicted?
Speaker 1: Oh okay, all right.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: And it said it took you two years to make
Speaker 2: this album, Yeah it did. Why because what were some
Speaker 2: of the biggest challenges.
Speaker 3: I would stop and start. Initially, I would like a
Speaker 3: lot of people trying to convince me to go more
Speaker 3: afro beat. So I would be in the studio and
Speaker 3: I'll record a lot, and then I'll listen to it
Speaker 3: and I'll start and I'll say, no, I want to
Speaker 3: really do this type of project that's R and B leaning,
Speaker 3: and I have to do it in my full chest.
Speaker 3: I can't just dabble like I've been doing for years.
Speaker 3: So it took me two years to just and also
Speaker 3: like mentally to be ready emotionally to get through that,
Speaker 3: to be able to sing sing, sing, And I think
Speaker 3: when you're when you want to do like R and
Speaker 3: B records, you have to singing. You can't just I
Speaker 3: can kind of get away with it sometimes enough for me,
Speaker 3: but vocally I had to get my chops up, so
Speaker 3: it took me a while. Do you get a pushback
Speaker 3: from some fans because like, you know, I know you dibble,
Speaker 3: dabble into R and B, but now this project is
Speaker 3: very much R and B.
Speaker 4: It doesn't sound like afrobeats? Are they? How do they
Speaker 4: feel about that? You're fans?
Speaker 3: My real fans really know that this is what I
Speaker 3: wanted to do. Anybody else I don't care. I'm not
Speaker 3: seeking their opinion. Yeah, so I don't. But to be honest,
Speaker 3: I've gotten so much love, yes, from even people that
Speaker 3: weren't my fans, people who didn't even really listen to
Speaker 3: your savage for instance, to be like yo, and a
Speaker 3: lot of them don't even know I'm like jan so
Speaker 3: they're like yeah, but they think I'm just like, you know,
Speaker 3: an American singing like and they're like, who's this new whatever?
Speaker 3: And I'm like, yo, she's African. Wow. Like, so it's
Speaker 3: opening me up to like a whole new audience.
Speaker 4: I was talking about how crazy it is. When I
Speaker 4: was seeing you around for fashion week. There were a
Speaker 4: lot of people that I was with who didn't know
Speaker 4: who you were. But because you were so gorgeous and like,
Speaker 4: you know, you're performing and you're walking in the shows,
Speaker 4: They're like, who is this girl?
Speaker 3: I don't know her?
Speaker 4: But coming over here to the US, there probably are
Speaker 4: a lot of people, even though you've been back and forth,
Speaker 4: you know, that are discovering you. Now, what is that
Speaker 4: like for you because you've been here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know a lot of artists find it hard
Speaker 3: because they're so big in their territory or whatever. They
Speaker 3: find it hard to like, I don't know if it's
Speaker 3: an ego thing, but they find it hard to like
Speaker 3: go somewhere where maybe nobody knows who they are. Yeah, Like,
Speaker 3: and I love that. I actually think that it's an
Speaker 3: opportunity for me to reintroduce myself again and like learn
Speaker 3: from maybe stuff that I've done and where people actually
Speaker 3: know me and they know things about me that yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm trying to like shy away from. So for me,
Speaker 3: this is my introduction again to like a new market.
Speaker 3: I love it. I love going to like you said,
Speaker 3: places and they don't know, they don't know who I am,
Speaker 3: and I'm just introducing myself. I'm starting all over again,
Speaker 3: but this time I'm starting better because I've learned. Now
Speaker 3: there's certain things that I may not do or I
Speaker 3: may do it.
Speaker 2: But when people look you up, you know, they say, oh,
Speaker 2: she's the Queen of AfroB that's that's an expectation.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, And I know that.
Speaker 1: You always reject the title quick, why is it?
Speaker 3: I don't reject it, but I feel like i've you know,
Speaker 3: when I've embraced it in the past, they feel like
Speaker 3: I've done it and I've excluded other women or I've
Speaker 3: felt like I'm the only one. And so now I
Speaker 3: try to explain that, Yeah, I do embrace it. I
Speaker 3: love it. I'm not shying away from it. But there
Speaker 3: are other other women that you know should get that
Speaker 3: or should get that. I get that spotlight.
Speaker 1: You think people put African artists in a box.
Speaker 3: All the time. I think even with award shows, like
Speaker 3: you go to award shows and then there's a whole
Speaker 3: continent in one category, like an aprob B category and
Speaker 3: then you're like, I'm not doing what Berner's doing. I'm
Speaker 3: not doing what Tyler's doing or whatever. It's just a
Speaker 3: whole different like it's a continent, like we speak different languages.
Speaker 3: So it's like, for me, it was really important for
Speaker 3: me to also do this for them not to put
Speaker 3: me in a box because I can't like R and
Speaker 3: B is you know my background, and I can do
Speaker 3: it authentically well, and I want that to be able
Speaker 3: to inspire other people where you know, they want to
Speaker 3: do a hip hop art album and you know what
Speaker 3: I mean, do it well if you're going to do it.
Speaker 3: But yeah, just because you're from a certain place doesn't
Speaker 3: mean you should only do that type of music.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be interesting to see how musical award shows
Speaker 2: recognize this album, right, because yeah, because it should be
Speaker 2: in the R and B Cady right in the know and.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that's that's nerve wrecking for me too. Actually,
Speaker 3: But again, I think I've just blocked my mind to
Speaker 3: like I'm not doing it forwards, I'm not doing it forever.
Speaker 3: I'm doing it for like my core fans, Like that's
Speaker 3: that's the only way I can Otherwise I wouldn't have
Speaker 3: been able to do it. I would have snuck in
Speaker 3: more aphrobeat records, more aphrobeat features and collapse, and it
Speaker 3: would defeat the purpose, Like I wouldn't I wouldn't be
Speaker 3: doing it with my full test. Yeah, so I need
Speaker 3: to I needed to get away from that.
Speaker 4: What's the background of your like, like, where does your
Speaker 4: love for R and B come from? Because looking you up,
Speaker 4: I saw that you wrote for Monica prior to you
Speaker 4: do back you sung back up from Mary J.
Speaker 3: Blanche.
Speaker 4: You put vocals on one of Winnie Houston's Houston's last albums.
Speaker 4: How did you fall? Like you don't you know not
Speaker 4: even how did you fall? You don't fall into that
Speaker 4: type of stuff, So what was the journey getting to
Speaker 4: that point of those things?
Speaker 3: It was It's like a snowball effect. So I was
Speaker 3: in London. I started I went for backup, like the
Speaker 3: auditions for like backup singing. I got it. I was
Speaker 3: like excited, like yo, I'm getting paid to do this,
Speaker 3: Like this is crazy. And then from there I'm watching
Speaker 3: TV I see I want to be down Brandy and
Speaker 3: I'm just obsessed by it. So I just really started
Speaker 3: studying studying her, and then you just get into like
Speaker 3: this rabbit hole where you're now discovering Monica and SWV
Speaker 3: and Mary J. Blige and it's just going and going,
Speaker 3: and then I'm just getting good at it, like and
Speaker 3: then I'm getting gigs from just doing backup vocals from
Speaker 3: doing backup vocals. My dad. My dad is like, you
Speaker 3: can't do music unless you study for music African parents,
Speaker 3: And I'm like right. So my first degree was an
Speaker 3: account So I did accounts, gave him the degree. I said,
Speaker 3: I want to go into music. He said, no, you
Speaker 3: have to study music. I'm like that, Michael Jackson did
Speaker 3: not go to school with music, Like that's not what
Speaker 3: we do, and he forced me to go. In an
Speaker 3: audition for Berkeley and Boston. I got a full scholarship.
Speaker 3: Studied jazz, and then I studied songwriting and then like, yeah,
Speaker 3: I just studied building my resume from there. Wow, that's
Speaker 3: pretty insane.
Speaker 1: On the song I'm Done, you say you don't want
Speaker 1: to love again?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Do you feel that way for real?
Speaker 3: I really, I really do.
Speaker 1: What Yeah, gotta be careful what you say to the universe.
Speaker 3: Now, Yeah, I know, I know, And I just that
Speaker 3: place was dark, you know, it was really for me
Speaker 3: to I, Ah, I'm scared that someone's gonna come or
Speaker 3: the right person's gonna come, and I'm just gonna project
Speaker 3: my trauma on them. Yeah, that's because I'm going to
Speaker 3: give everything. I'm really honestly going to give everything. And
Speaker 3: can I really do that again? And just unless God
Speaker 3: opens up the heavens and says, this is my child,
Speaker 3: this is who you're supposed to be with. I can't.
Speaker 3: I can't see myself opening up like that again.
Speaker 1: But if God is, if you know that you have unhealed.
Speaker 3: Trumple, yeah, I would say about seventy percent eight I am.
Speaker 3: I'm still doing it every day. I still yeah, I
Speaker 3: still do it.
Speaker 1: So you don't want to meet somebody until you are
Speaker 1: a more healed version.
Speaker 3: Of Yeah, I need to be completely like got you? Yeah, completely,
Speaker 3: one hundred percent whole.
Speaker 1: Because right now you're just toxic.
Speaker 3: No I'm not.
Speaker 4: No way, are you hurt still?
Speaker 1: No?
Speaker 3: I think nah that that situation, all those situations is done. No,
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm just a bit. I'm just wary man,
Speaker 3: because I can't I don't believe words. Yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't believe Yeah, I don't believe. I don't believe words.
Speaker 3: I'm just I'm hard now, Like, yeah, you have to
Speaker 3: you have to really come hard.
Speaker 2: You said this albums therapeutic for you. It was, so
Speaker 2: have you ever actually gone to there?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, And I still do.
Speaker 3: Like before it used to be regular, like a couple
Speaker 3: of times a week, but now it's like as of
Speaker 3: when I need it, Like if I feel like, okay,
Speaker 3: I need to just talk to someone about something, yeah,
Speaker 3: then I still do. And I think we don't talk
Speaker 3: about it a lot in my culture. Yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 3: a stigma.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think it's just black people all across the.
Speaker 3: World here as well.
Speaker 1: I think it's changed.
Speaker 3: I feel like more you guys are more open to it.
Speaker 1: It's changed over the last several years.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think. So, yeah, you're not. And Niger's like, what, no,
Speaker 3: just go to church, I believe right here.
Speaker 4: I think it depends on the age of the person
Speaker 4: you're talking to. Certain age of like it's like older
Speaker 4: I know, like my family, older black women in my
Speaker 4: family will tell you just go to church, but they
Speaker 4: mean you need to speak to someone, yes, yeah, and
Speaker 4: all the things. But we younger will say you should
Speaker 4: probably do therapy or talk to a friend or something
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but a lot of people use chat
Speaker 3: for therapy. Yeah, a lot of people say to me,
Speaker 3: you're wasting your money, just put it into the chat.
Speaker 3: I'm like, what crazy?
Speaker 2: When did you realize that you just didn't want to
Speaker 2: love again? Though, because I feel like that's a temporary thing.
Speaker 3: Because one, yeah, I love my son, Yes, absolutely right,
Speaker 3: I love my team, I love you know, my friends.
Speaker 3: I've been married before. I'm like, yeah, I'm not I'm
Speaker 3: not young. I'm forty five. Yeah, I'm good.
Speaker 2: But you love other things like penis.
Speaker 4: I don't know if I come attached to I've gone.
Speaker 3: Like maybe like three years without. I know, it's not
Speaker 3: something like I really like I'm crazy.
Speaker 4: About Yeah, three hundred and sixty five days time time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've done that.
Speaker 1: So you don't need so so you have to be
Speaker 1: in love to take it.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I don't have to be with someone for
Speaker 3: me to even think about it. Like I don't have toys, like, yeah.
Speaker 1: I understand that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe I need to. Maybe that's what for my
Speaker 3: Christmas present. Maybe people should get me some toys right now.
Speaker 1: Now, you have a whole bunch of roles just for Christmas.
Speaker 2: You're wondering why why all these boxes Buzzing't they're gonna
Speaker 2: be checking them for bombs?
Speaker 1: That go ahead.
Speaker 4: I was gonna say you you recently got your fans going.
Speaker 4: You're trying to figure out who you were talking about.
Speaker 4: You did an interview, You did an interview. You talk
Speaker 4: about the secret romance, and you know this the celebrity
Speaker 4: you were dating, and it had to be on the
Speaker 4: low and they would do parties at the house and
Speaker 4: you would stay away from the people when the parties
Speaker 4: would be going on. Now people want to know who
Speaker 4: to because people think you're talking about whiz Kid.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, and you know, my shout out to Wiskit.
Speaker 3: I love risk It, I respect Whisky is not about
Speaker 3: as skined I said the person was a public figure,
Speaker 3: but I didn't he's not. He's not artist.
Speaker 4: Oh so just like someone of them?
Speaker 3: Yeah someone yeah, so yeah. Man. I woke up and
Speaker 3: I saw that and I was just like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: it's not Whisky. Yes not man, he's probably watching it, Like,
Speaker 3: what the how did I get jacked into this?
Speaker 1: Shiit?
Speaker 3: Like, no, it's not No, it's not one hundred percent.
Speaker 4: Were you wanting to like, because I mean, keeping it
Speaker 4: private is a personal decision probably about both of you guys.
Speaker 4: But initially I was about to say, but it gives.
Speaker 4: That's how he.
Speaker 3: Got me like, oh, you know, I cherished this so
Speaker 3: much and I want this to be you know, I
Speaker 3: want us to build a foundation, and and I'm like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: you know, this is amazing. And then before and then
Speaker 3: people are like, yow, how can you let someone treat
Speaker 3: you like that? Like and it's like it didn't just
Speaker 3: go from zero to a hundred, Like the way men
Speaker 3: work with your psyche is like they chip a little
Speaker 3: bit and then before you know it, you're like, yo,
Speaker 3: how did I even get here? And yeah, so it's
Speaker 3: like first it's like he doesn't want people to know.
Speaker 3: Then the thing is like he'll change my name on
Speaker 3: his phone, so if I'm calling him, people don't know
Speaker 3: it's me or whatever. Then then it's like when we
Speaker 3: go out, we go in separate place cars and we
Speaker 3: leave separately. And then it's like, when we go out
Speaker 3: you might see me with someone, it's because I don't
Speaker 3: want people to know. And then it's and then it
Speaker 3: just progressively just gets worse to the point where I'm
Speaker 3: somewhere you're literally working the room, and you're telling me
Speaker 3: it's because you don't want people to know.
Speaker 4: And when you say work in the room, you mean
Speaker 4: dealing with other women.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's crazy.
Speaker 4: What did that do to you? Just mentally, because now
Speaker 4: I'm kind of understanding the word that you don't want
Speaker 4: to love again comes from. There's a lot to impact
Speaker 4: and that's just one situation with one person.
Speaker 3: Yeah, at the time, I didn't think it was that bad.
Speaker 3: I didn't see how bad it was. Like my friends
Speaker 3: are telling me you're crazy, like this is They're like,
Speaker 3: this guy's plea and I'm like, no, look, I understand.
Speaker 3: We haven't understanding. I know what he's doing, Like he
Speaker 3: doesn't really like her, he's not You're just you're doing
Speaker 3: this for me. And now now I'm talking about everyth
Speaker 3: you guys, I'm like, I'm embarrassed even like how did
Speaker 3: I yo? Because I used to be that type of
Speaker 3: person to look at girls, I break guy's cars and
Speaker 3: I'm like, yo, I can never get to that point
Speaker 3: where the guy will get me to And then now
Speaker 3: that girl is like accepting bullshit, Like it's so it's
Speaker 3: so embarrassing for me to know that I allow that
Speaker 3: to happen.
Speaker 2: I want you to know it comes off in the
Speaker 2: music because I think a lot of times when you
Speaker 2: try to balance, you know, these themes of love and
Speaker 2: heartbreak and faith, like sometimes you can feel performative rather
Speaker 2: than authentic.
Speaker 1: But when I'm listening to it, I'm driving, like who
Speaker 1: heard her? Like somebody did a number? How did you
Speaker 1: navigate that?
Speaker 2: How did you navigate like balancing those themes to make
Speaker 2: it feel authentic rather than performance.
Speaker 3: I had the right people that I was working with,
Speaker 3: the right writers. Yeah, I had. And it wasn't a lot.
Speaker 3: It wasn't like a camp where it's just like we're
Speaker 3: trying to make hits.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: I was very vulnerable with these people. Like for the
Speaker 3: first I would say, even week we didn't make music,
Speaker 3: we were just hanging out in this house in Malibu
Speaker 3: and I was just hearing their story and they were
Speaker 3: hearing my story. So you know, it was more like
Speaker 3: we bonded before we even started like recording, and yeah,
Speaker 3: I was really really open and I said, listen, this
Speaker 3: is like I'm due an album, I'm due a project,
Speaker 3: but I can't until I get this out, I can't
Speaker 3: do anything else. And there was a lot of times
Speaker 3: I was crying, especially the first record. Yeah, that took
Speaker 3: me like four attempts to record. Yeah, yeah that was.
Speaker 3: That was really Even now when I listened to the album,
Speaker 3: I skip that. Yeah, I can't listen to it. I
Speaker 3: haven't been able to perform it. Yeah, it's been, Yeah
Speaker 3: it was. It was tough.
Speaker 2: So that's I was going to ask. The one song
Speaker 2: on the album the hardest to write record is clearly
Speaker 2: I'm done.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm done done. Well yeah, But then I end
Speaker 3: the record with Change with James funt Laury, where it's
Speaker 3: basically just saying that I want to change back to
Speaker 3: who God created me to be. So it's not changing
Speaker 3: for a man, it's changing for changing for God. Going
Speaker 3: back to a factory setting, like you.
Speaker 1: Know interesting, Yeah, I don't know if you go back
Speaker 1: to factory setting.
Speaker 2: No, I think that you have these No, I think
Speaker 2: you have these experiences and they they actually turn you
Speaker 2: into a better version.
Speaker 3: But don't you rebooth? You know, when something's like when
Speaker 3: something and you switch it off, like your phone, you
Speaker 3: canletely switch it off and then switch it back on
Speaker 3: because it's just tweaking. I think I was like I
Speaker 3: needed to switch off.
Speaker 1: But what did you learn? Though? Like they always say,
Speaker 1: you know, it's not a loss if you learn something
Speaker 1: from the.
Speaker 3: Learned what I learned when it's red, When it's a
Speaker 3: red flag, it is a red flag. It's not off red,
Speaker 3: it's not pink, it's not light red. It's what it is.
Speaker 3: And I'm learning to accept. So yeah, yeah, I'm just
Speaker 3: that's that's the main thing, and just valuing myself and
Speaker 3: knowing that really, yeah, I I wasn't the problem and
Speaker 3: I don't have to change for somebody, and I'm enough.
Speaker 3: You know all the you know, cliche type of things,
Speaker 3: but they're cliches because that's what it's. That's the truth.
Speaker 3: So but mainly, if someone shows you who they are,
Speaker 3: like really, just accept it from the first girl, like
Speaker 3: save yourself the heartbreak.
Speaker 2: Faith is another topic you examine, right, So, how has
Speaker 2: your spirituality changed? I've grown after making this album.
Speaker 3: I've always been a very like you know, I'm Christian.
Speaker 3: I believe in Jesus, so I've always that. I think
Speaker 3: it's just me going back, like I said, going back
Speaker 3: to not just like I do this thing where I
Speaker 3: just pray in the morning like quickly, like thank you
Speaker 3: Jesus for the day, and then that's it. But now
Speaker 3: I'm spending time yeah yeah, spending time with him and
Speaker 3: knowing that it's important for me to take out time
Speaker 3: in the day and be disciplined like that to me
Speaker 3: has been like life changing.
Speaker 1: So how to pray no more? Come about?
Speaker 3: Ooh? So pray no More is like what if I
Speaker 3: was to be in a relationship again. That's the song,
Speaker 3: Like I'm saying, like you could pray about your career,
Speaker 3: pray to God about money, pray to God about anything,
Speaker 3: but when it comes to me and my love and
Speaker 3: my loyalty, you don't need to pray no more. You
Speaker 3: got you got me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know that if you do grow to
Speaker 1: love somebody again, this is the real real.
Speaker 3: Yeah yea, yeah, you know you don't need to like
Speaker 3: pray no more, say no more like you got me? Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 4: I saw you were in the studio with Fab last night.
Speaker 3: Mmm, you for me?
Speaker 4: Because you for me? You sampled the original song with TMA.
Speaker 4: Yeah h So we're getting a remix with Fabs that
Speaker 4: was about to happen.
Speaker 3: I hope, So I hope. So, yeah, we were there.
Speaker 3: I played a couple of records and he definitely gravitated
Speaker 3: to that. But I'm a bit because would he remix
Speaker 3: a remix because he's already do you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: Like I was a bit skeptical to ask and be like, h.
Speaker 4: But he he was there, you didn't want to ask him.
Speaker 3: No. I played other records that he loved as well,
Speaker 3: but then he loved that too, So I'm hoping by
Speaker 3: today or tomorrow I might get something.
Speaker 4: I feel like that.
Speaker 3: I hope that one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like that makes the most SIPs.
Speaker 3: Yeah really, but you know, like Lightland doesn't strike in
Speaker 3: the same place twice, so is it kind of be like,
Speaker 3: oh you should have left the original.
Speaker 1: Maybe that's why you do it. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: you don't like it?
Speaker 3: No, you can't tell someone like you can't have someone
Speaker 3: like Favety something and be like no, you can't do that.
Speaker 4: I feel like he's a way that can he can
Speaker 4: like flip it, like he takes basically sampling his own like.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's too good, he's never he's not even ever
Speaker 3: gonna go below. Yeah, he's too good.
Speaker 4: He's too smooth, embrace New York and like just all
Speaker 4: of it just feels like you're living like a different
Speaker 4: life right now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, New York is good when you have money. Yes,
Speaker 3: I was living here and I don't have money. Yeah,
Speaker 3: I hated New York. But being in New York when
Speaker 3: you have a little little coin in your pocket, it's
Speaker 3: just a great It's a great city.
Speaker 2: The fact now you didn't put your first song to
Speaker 2: you was in your thirties, So what would you say
Speaker 2: to people who have a passion but feel like it's
Speaker 2: too late the pursuit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, that's that's my life. That's the story of
Speaker 3: my life. And I feel like I resented God and
Speaker 3: I resented my parents for so long. Yeah for making
Speaker 3: me wait, Like for making me do two degrees because
Speaker 3: I could have been out when I was twenty twenty one,
Speaker 3: like doing two degrees and it made me work as
Speaker 3: an accountant.
Speaker 1: Well what God had to do with that, because now.
Speaker 3: I just resented him, like like he I felt like
Speaker 3: he should have made me, given me the opportunity a
Speaker 3: lot sooner. But now looking at it, like I did
Speaker 3: it in my thirties, when I'm much grounded, I'm not
Speaker 3: phased by fame or money. I've seen people come and
Speaker 3: go some way more humble. I understand how hard you
Speaker 3: have to work for certain things that I've learned from
Speaker 3: the great and also for me, Like I feel like
Speaker 3: I can speak to people like you said, like even
Speaker 3: models like who feel like if they're not successful by
Speaker 3: twenty five, they need to retire. I think that's crazy.
Speaker 3: Or a footballer like by the time you're like hitting
Speaker 3: thirty you have to go to Saudi or something to
Speaker 3: start playing, Like that's to me, that's crazy. If you're
Speaker 3: still fit and you can still do it, it's.
Speaker 2: A little different. Like you said, they got to be physically.
Speaker 2: It's a physical thing. With music is more mental, it's
Speaker 2: more emotional. I would think that the more experience you have.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I always say to someone if I'm going
Speaker 3: into operating table and that they give me two options
Speaker 3: of a doctor a surgeon, and they say, this guy
Speaker 3: is young and he's fresh, and he's only been doing
Speaker 3: this for six months. And they're like, this guy's like
Speaker 3: sixty something and he's you know, he's been operating on people,
Speaker 3: he's never had any cases of whatever. I'm going to
Speaker 3: go with the experienced guys. And I feel like with music,
Speaker 3: the older you are, the longer you've been in the industry,
Speaker 3: the more seasoned you are. I don't know why they
Speaker 3: try and shut us out. The older we get like
Speaker 3: it's just it's crazy to me, Like.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well they're more difficult, you think.
Speaker 3: When I started, people didn't realize how old I was,
Speaker 3: so they became fans. And then by the time they realized,
Speaker 3: they were like what, Yo, how old? But they're already
Speaker 3: like turn hint to like they already like my fan,
Speaker 3: like they already loved the brand. So yeah, but now
Speaker 3: I think would I say it's difficult sometimes, like and
Speaker 3: I don't shy away from it. That's usually one of
Speaker 3: the first things I say to people, like, hey, you
Speaker 3: know because and then when they find out, some people
Speaker 3: actually be like, yo.
Speaker 4: We can't because of your age. Yeah, brands are is
Speaker 4: and be like what yeah, like they'll yeah, it's a
Speaker 4: music industry. Well, I've heard from label friends that music
Speaker 4: they always look for younger artists. But I didn't think
Speaker 4: it was that point because you're established, like you have music,
Speaker 4: you have things, you have numbers, Like.
Speaker 3: I'm talking in terms of like opportunities they might say, hmm,
Speaker 3: the demographic don't really you know, say they always try
Speaker 3: and box me in this icon' oh we think she
Speaker 3: can perform, Like if there's a festival or whatever and
Speaker 3: there's like three dates, they sometimes try and box me
Speaker 3: in like the icon stage or whatever. And but young
Speaker 3: people really, like they really mess with me a lot,
Speaker 3: and a lot of them don't even really know how
Speaker 3: I am, but they will now.
Speaker 1: Who cares.
Speaker 2: I'm forty seven. I embrace every Okay, being alive is
Speaker 2: a blessing. Yeah, consider to the alternative wake up dead,
Speaker 2: And a.
Speaker 3: Lot of people don't make it. That's right to our age,
Speaker 3: Like to me when they throw it in my face,
Speaker 3: they would say the forty five year old, and I'm like,
Speaker 3: you're not. That's a blessing, like they always say. You
Speaker 3: will see people in my comments being like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: she's still singing. You should give it up. You should
Speaker 3: just damn just like yeah, and it just gets me angry,
Speaker 3: like I'm going to be doing this till I'm eighty,
Speaker 3: Like I'm going to keep going.
Speaker 2: I'm glad you said that because I saw you saying
Speaker 2: that you were suggesting that this might be your final life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you were worn out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just drunk. Maybe I was drunk that night.
Speaker 3: I was just like, oh my, I must have seen
Speaker 3: something on an article, must have just pissed me off.
Speaker 3: And I'm like, okay, fine, I'm not doing this again.
Speaker 3: Turn Out wake comes the next morning and I'm like,
Speaker 3: oh jeez, I need to make money.
Speaker 1: Unctionately exhausting? Is it to just create music?
Speaker 2: I don't think we ever talked to artists about that, Like,
Speaker 2: you spend all of this time, like you said, you
Speaker 2: spent traveling all around the world, and then you might
Speaker 2: push something out and then be one person.
Speaker 3: Like this is oh they give it like a three
Speaker 3: out of ten exactly. Yeah. No, I'm not even gonna
Speaker 3: lie that. That's you could talk about anything. I could
Speaker 3: the controversies and I have had a lot, But when
Speaker 3: it comes to music, that's the thing that gets me
Speaker 3: because I put so much into it, and again everyone
Speaker 3: didn't like Jesus, so who am I like? And it's
Speaker 3: the music KI is subjective. So when that happened, I
Speaker 3: just tend to what do I do? I just drink.
Speaker 3: I just get over it. I just like, shall I
Speaker 3: watch something, drink, hang out with my friends, invite the
Speaker 3: next day. I forgot about it, but I need to
Speaker 3: trust me he will be It's not it's even worse
Speaker 3: than that. It's worse. I gave the PG version this
Speaker 3: a lot. Yeah, it was really bad.
Speaker 4: You gotta keep it PG for us.
Speaker 2: In what way do you think this album marks your
Speaker 2: growth though, not just as an artist, but as.
Speaker 3: A person musically. I think you can hear like you could.
Speaker 3: You could just hear like this growth and there's there's
Speaker 3: confidence and like me attempting to do this, like I said,
Speaker 3: like a night cheering girl doing straight up R and B. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it just shows that I'm in a space where I'm
Speaker 3: not doing music for TikTok moments. I'm not doing songs that. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you can hear that this song, this twenty seconds of
Speaker 3: this part is going to be a you know, a
Speaker 3: viral moment. You could hear that. I'm comfortable and confident
Speaker 3: in the woman I am now musically and just in life.
Speaker 3: I'm not chasing anything. I'm enjoying. I'm enjoying being here,
Speaker 3: like I'm enjoying doing the press runs. I'm enjoying waking
Speaker 3: up early and they're like I have to do this
Speaker 3: and I'm I'm actually enjoying it now.
Speaker 1: What came out of the process that surprised you about.
Speaker 3: Yourself saying no? Yeah, I think I feel like I
Speaker 3: used to be a people pleaser. A lot of the
Speaker 3: songs that became huge for me, I didn't like them.
Speaker 3: A lot of my hit records I didn't like, but
Speaker 3: I said yes, and I you know, but I've learned
Speaker 3: how to just say no and be and but say
Speaker 3: in a grace gracious way. Like in a session, I'll
Speaker 3: say to the producer that's not for me. It's a
Speaker 3: great record is going to be a hit. Whoever's going
Speaker 3: to do that, But that's not where I'm at.
Speaker 1: Boundaries are important.
Speaker 3: Very very and but when you set boundaries, it's lonely.
Speaker 3: I never I never realized how many people I was
Speaker 3: going to lose by seting boundaries.
Speaker 1: But they were They clearly weren't meant to be around
Speaker 1: you anyway.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm learning. But it's still lonely, though,
Speaker 3: because when you're used to being when you travel and
Speaker 3: then it kind of like as an artist, you know
Speaker 3: you're walking into somewhere and you have like ten twenty people,
Speaker 3: and you know everyone's like oh, who's that to, like
Speaker 3: me going to a ventage just be and my manager like,
Speaker 3: it's an adjustment, but then it's also cheaper and like
Speaker 3: you said, it's like peace of mind.
Speaker 2: One thing I respect about what you just said though.
Speaker 2: You said that you know you did songs that you
Speaker 2: didn't want to do but they were still hit.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So a lot of people you talk about programming earlier,
Speaker 2: a lot of people default setting would be like, well,
Speaker 2: let me just keep.
Speaker 1: Recording these songs. Yeah, they work, but they weren't making
Speaker 1: you feel good. Nah nah, even with the success.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, no, I mean it felt good to do. See,
Speaker 3: I listened to like, you know, I would listen to
Speaker 3: like my label or whatever and be like, Okay, I'll
Speaker 3: do it, and then if it works out, I'm like,
Speaker 3: you know, cool, you know you're right. You know, I'm
Speaker 3: glad I listened to you. But I have to listen
Speaker 3: to myself as well, and I have to motivate myself
Speaker 3: and challenge myself and be like, yeah, no, I've done
Speaker 3: this for the past ten years. I've done I know
Speaker 3: how to do those type of afrobeat hit records. With
Speaker 3: my eyes closed, I'm not excited anymore. Like I want
Speaker 3: to be able to go on stage and sing records
Speaker 3: and have people crying or like look at them and
Speaker 3: they they know or I feel that they can feel
Speaker 3: the music like I want to. I need that in
Speaker 3: my catalog. Not everything is about this car and that
Speaker 3: and look at my diamonds and I'm the Savage and
Speaker 3: I'm this Like okay, we get it. Yeah, yeah, you.
Speaker 1: Do something like that, that's gonna make me feel some
Speaker 1: feel something.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I needed that.
Speaker 4: Yeah you are. You mentioned how coming to the US
Speaker 4: gave you like kind of like a fresh start, and
Speaker 4: you mentioned some of the controversies that you know have
Speaker 4: been have that you've been through. How exhausting is it
Speaker 4: to go through things like you know, the controversies that
Speaker 4: we've had to see you talk about publicly and then
Speaker 4: come back out with music and you know people are
Speaker 4: gonna want to talk about these things.
Speaker 3: It depends what controversy as well. It's been a lot.
Speaker 3: The type of person I am me, I've said this before,
Speaker 3: I laugh about things. I laugh like I would I
Speaker 3: would make fun of myself because I feel that would
Speaker 3: that was how I would cope with it. I feel
Speaker 3: like if I make fun of it and I pretend
Speaker 3: like it's not really getting to me. That's how I
Speaker 3: used to deal with things, and I would put it
Speaker 3: in my music. But the way I would put it
Speaker 3: in my music would be like, you know, when I
Speaker 3: talked about the sex tape and loaded, and I said,
Speaker 3: who's never had sex before? You know, like, and that's
Speaker 3: that's how I was able to kind of like try
Speaker 3: and get through it. But in hindsight, did I really
Speaker 3: deal with it? I don't think so. And that's what
Speaker 3: I'm doing now. It's like I was hurt and and
Speaker 3: it's okay for me to say I was hurt. I
Speaker 3: was a victim. It happened to me as supposed to
Speaker 3: just trying to let me make a hit out of it,
Speaker 3: and you know, I don't care, and you know, like,
Speaker 3: so now it's different. Now, it's like I am I'm
Speaker 3: living in the truth, in my truth and admitting to
Speaker 3: myself that, Yo, that shit hurt me.
Speaker 1: Well, why couldn't you admit that that?
Speaker 2: Of course that would hurt you if somebody tries to
Speaker 2: blackmail you over sex tape.
Speaker 1: Yes, they My.
Speaker 3: People didn't see it like that. They thought I did
Speaker 3: it for pr A lot of people thought, oh, she's
Speaker 3: not relevant anymore, and she's doing this and I'm like, guys,
Speaker 3: trust me. That's if I wanted to do that, I
Speaker 3: would have had better lighting. I would have you know,
Speaker 3: I would have set it up right. I would have
Speaker 3: been in sexy lingerie. My facial expression would have been
Speaker 3: not what it was like, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: it would it would have been completely different if I
Speaker 3: really wanted to put that in your performance.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I like so, I just want you to know.
Speaker 2: Africa is a big continent, right But there's a lot
Speaker 2: of people watching this interview who might have never even
Speaker 2: heard that story.
Speaker 1: But there's going to be a big google right now.
Speaker 4: And they're gonna.
Speaker 1: And you from God.
Speaker 3: Not even denying it.
Speaker 4: I just want the song too, so they listen to that.
Speaker 4: Whatever happened to the Like, what was the end result
Speaker 4: of that? Like, did you figure out who was trying
Speaker 4: to do the extortion? Were they?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 4: What?
Speaker 3: Now? I didn't. I never, I didn't. I didn't pursue it.
Speaker 3: I never. We tried, actually, but yeah, we couldn't. And
Speaker 3: me trying was just like it was just too traumatic
Speaker 3: for me to keep talking about it. And just yeah,
Speaker 3: like I said, I just I just wanted to like,
Speaker 3: just yeah, just move on.
Speaker 1: From it happened to you, No, thank you. I think
Speaker 1: it's also from Nigeria, so.
Speaker 2: It's like it's very religious, and yeah, probably was a
Speaker 2: lot harder on you. Yo.
Speaker 3: They were like, how can you? How can you at
Speaker 3: your age have a sex tape with someone? And I'm like,
Speaker 3: first of all, I didn't even know, like you could
Speaker 3: don't watch it, but I didn't know what was happening.
Speaker 3: And the person was my boyfriend at the time, so
Speaker 3: even if I wanted to do a sexy that was
Speaker 3: my boyfriend. Like, but they saw it as being immoral.
Speaker 3: They thought it was just dirty, and I'm like, I
Speaker 3: know what some of you guys do is even worse
Speaker 3: than this, But I I was a scapegoat and that
Speaker 3: was that was painful for me. Man. It was really
Speaker 3: painful because they brought my son into it and said
Speaker 3: I was unfit mom, like my son, my son's going
Speaker 3: to grow up and see this and he's going to
Speaker 3: be disappointed in his mom and how can I do this?
Speaker 3: And my parents? I had to talk to my parents
Speaker 3: about this, and yeah, it was it was that hurt
Speaker 3: me more than the actual thing.
Speaker 1: Wow.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it hurt me more like you're you're you're saying
Speaker 3: that I'm I'm a bad mother for having.
Speaker 1: Sex with something that was out of your control.
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I mean, thank for my family. The first
Speaker 3: thing my mom's my mom calls me and she's like,
Speaker 3: I'm just happy you're again. In her own words, she's like,
Speaker 3: don't listen to them more. I'm just happy that you're
Speaker 3: enjoying yourself. And I was just like, yeah, just hearing
Speaker 3: my mom say that.
Speaker 4: Was just like did you know you?
Speaker 1: Did you know you was being recorded? So it wasn't
Speaker 1: the guy that put it out, Oh my god.
Speaker 3: Okay, So he said he was trying to save it
Speaker 3: and then he pressed scent by accident on Snapchat.
Speaker 1: And that sounded like forever the movie the TV show happened.
Speaker 4: Really there was a younger she was a younger girl though,
Speaker 4: and she was giving herd and she was recorded and
Speaker 4: he the video got released and she was like the
Speaker 4: whole show. She's like fighting back again, like she had
Speaker 4: moved school.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because the thing was next to each other apparently.
Speaker 3: So he said he was trying to save it. Showed
Speaker 3: me later, but you didn't even tell Yeah, And then
Speaker 3: he's precedent by accident again, and I later on found
Speaker 3: out that it was a bet. It was that he
Speaker 3: really bet with his friends or whatever, and it's like, was.
Speaker 1: He younger than you?
Speaker 3: No?
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, because I have a theory I always teld
Speaker 2: women of a certain age, but lead these young boys
Speaker 2: along because they recording everything.
Speaker 3: What yes, yeah, now I'm not going to anyone's hotel.
Speaker 3: You're coming because you can have cameras hitting and then yeah,
Speaker 3: and you're coming to my safe space. But yeah, even
Speaker 3: that itself was traumatic because he was my boyfriend. I
Speaker 3: thought we were in a relationship and then I'm here
Speaker 3: and later that it was a bet. M So did
Speaker 3: you really like me? Or this was just planned from
Speaker 3: the beginning.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that that's got to be so scary for you,
Speaker 4: even because you're bigger as an artist even now yeah
Speaker 4: now now now, yeah, you're looking at your phone, you're
Speaker 4: putting your phone down. That's why it's just really hard,
Speaker 4: Like I'm not coming to your hotel to me, you're
Speaker 4: coming to my place like or I'm getting a hotel
Speaker 4: because I'm not bringing you around my son. So yeah, so.
Speaker 1: More controversy.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just can't imagine being recorded on accident and leaking.
Speaker 4: But okay, at.
Speaker 3: Least shaven.
Speaker 1: Very important. It's very important. Yes, Oh is she brand?
Speaker 5: What we are not going to do that it was clean.
Speaker 4: We had Ado here on the show. Oh god, well
Speaker 4: he mentioned while he was here that you know that
Speaker 4: you saw it. Yeah, what happened between you and t
Speaker 4: R Savage?
Speaker 1: Man?
Speaker 4: I know you all were like really really close, like
Speaker 4: cool man.
Speaker 6: Like I said, you know what I'm saying, even with
Speaker 6: the big three questions you asked me.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: I remember when all of us you know what I'm
Speaker 6: saying coming up together. You know what I'm saying to
Speaker 6: me on t I you should stay in the same house.
Speaker 6: It's like my big sister, Like, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 6: she saw me as a youngin you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: But the situation with t I was, you know, it
Speaker 6: was like kind of personal.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: She's she's very very good friends with my the mom
Speaker 6: and my daughter, my first daughter, which you know we
Speaker 6: were in court having custody and that. So I just
Speaker 6: felt like, you know what I'm saying, you my you
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying, Help me, help me, my daughter
Speaker 6: that type. So we just got a little argument. It
Speaker 6: was nothing, you know what I'm saying. It was just
Speaker 6: like brothers and sisters argument.
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 6: I haven't seen her since then, to be honest, but
Speaker 6: she did reach out, and you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 6: So probably if it happens, it happens, and I know bad,
Speaker 6: but I love her. You know, I love her child
Speaker 6: and I saw him grow up. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: She's an amazing person. She changed the game for females.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. She always have that respect.
Speaker 6: You know, that's my sister. I would never let nothing happens.
Speaker 6: She knows, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: What about wiz K? You love whiz Kid?
Speaker 4: That is not That's not his system.
Speaker 1: I'm just asking. I love everybody.
Speaker 2: I do want to ask a question about the Big
Speaker 2: Three though, Like if they call they called Bernard or
Speaker 2: Rebel and they talk about Whizky he has the mystique,
Speaker 2: what is what's your lane in that in that Big Three? Man?
Speaker 6: I'm Joseph.
Speaker 1: I'm just me.
Speaker 4: I'm just me, Like I'm just.
Speaker 1: Me, like a whirl. I like I used to work out.
Speaker 1: That's what I thought.
Speaker 6: Like people people, people know me as the outgoing guy. Yeah,
Speaker 6: I'm saying they you know, free, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: I don't have that mistique or that rebel. You know
Speaker 6: what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I can't act that way. I'm just me and people.
Speaker 6: Some personal people be like, man, you're too free. You're
Speaker 6: too free, so you don't you know you have superstar.
Speaker 6: I'm like, bro, I've been listening. I'm going Disney two
Speaker 6: years old. Like this does not Yeah, like I like
Speaker 6: I always say, like if my dad walks in the woman, Like,
Speaker 6: if you're walking on the road, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 6: my dad passes you by, you probably would even know
Speaker 6: like that dude, got better, dog, I'm telling you. So
Speaker 6: that's how I grew up. My manager be getting mad
Speaker 6: like I'd be in the house, I being slippers, like
Speaker 6: going away.
Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, I'm home. You look good every time.
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But the people that are born.
Speaker 6: Artists, that's just how they They're coming out their room
Speaker 6: like you know what I'm saying that people some people
Speaker 6: are like that, you know what I'm saying, that's what
Speaker 6: works for them and to be honest, it's worked for them.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 6: What's worked for me, it's worked for me, and what's
Speaker 6: worked for them, you know, it's worked for them. Maybe
Speaker 6: if they like free like me, you know, maybe they
Speaker 6: wouldn't get what they have, you know what I'm saying. So,
Speaker 6: and maybe the way I am is what has helped me.
Speaker 6: So it's just like everybody. I feel like every in
Speaker 6: every industry, Like just like how you had the Big
Speaker 6: Three back in the day with like jay Z. They
Speaker 6: were all different kind of people, d different kind of people.
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, Drake Outside, you know what
Speaker 6: I'm saying. Kendrick is like, you don't even know what
Speaker 6: that move is. So it's like they're different kind of
Speaker 6: people and right, and that's okay, you know what I'm saying,
Speaker 6: That's okay.
Speaker 4: I saw you talk to Rolling Stone a bit about it,
Speaker 4: about how you felt about it. Did you feel like
Speaker 4: because it seemed like he was sorry for whatever transpired
Speaker 4: and that y'all were good? Now was that the feeling
Speaker 4: you got from it?
Speaker 3: Well, we haven't seen a spoken since, so, yeah, we haven't.
Speaker 3: I haven't seen him since then spoken, But I again,
Speaker 3: I want to say, I think it was a miscommunication,
Speaker 3: but there hasn't been any kind of communication between us.
Speaker 3: But I definitely I was. I was hurt by how
Speaker 3: it transpired. I mean, I don't know if he explained,
Speaker 3: you know, what kind of happened.
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you can explain it from your point of view.
Speaker 3: So our kids are friends, and they've gone to the
Speaker 3: same school since they were one. They're ten now, so
Speaker 3: they've gone to the same they've been in the same
Speaker 3: class for ten years. So I've now, I've known David
Speaker 3: before that, but I've naturally grown a relationship with the
Speaker 3: mother of their kid, and I didn't really know that,
Speaker 3: you know, there was issues. I mean, I know that
Speaker 3: he's moved on and he's married, you know whatever, but
Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on apart from that, And
Speaker 3: I guess I was. I was at an event and
Speaker 3: she was too, so naturally like, hey, how are you
Speaker 3: We're a partying drinking, doing snap and whatever. And he
Speaker 3: saw that and he took it as I was betraying him,
Speaker 3: and I'm like, what, how, Like, what's what's going on?
Speaker 3: And that's why I said, I think it was as
Speaker 3: miss misunderstanding, Like he felt like I knew what was happening,
Speaker 3: and I was on her side, and that that's not
Speaker 3: the case. Like, this is just a woman that I
Speaker 3: know who's the mother to my son's friend. And we
Speaker 3: were a social gathering and I see him, were, you know, chilling, So,
Speaker 3: like I said, we haven't seen each other since. And
Speaker 3: even if I did know, I don't think I would
Speaker 3: have chosen a side either, Like I don't think I'm
Speaker 3: going to be like, oh, because you guys are having issues,
Speaker 3: I'm going to be on David's side. I'm going to
Speaker 3: be on Sofia's side because our kids are friends and
Speaker 3: it's not my business to take sides, like yeah, just
Speaker 3: like I don't want anyone to take sides with my situation.
Speaker 3: It's between me and the father and my son. I
Speaker 3: don't think anyone should be dragged into it. But again,
Speaker 3: he felt like I was. I should I should have
Speaker 3: been loyal to him in that situation.
Speaker 1: But how did that turn into you submitting a letter
Speaker 1: to the police. If anything happened to me, it was him, So.
Speaker 3: I think out of anger, maybe he might have made threats.
Speaker 3: Do I think he was really gonna go ahead with it? No,
Speaker 3: But again I'm not taking any risks, like I feel
Speaker 3: like you could. You could be saying it around people
Speaker 3: who want to now act out on what you're saying.
Speaker 3: Do you know what I'm saying? And you know how
Speaker 3: it is when your crew and his crew might end.
Speaker 3: It might not even be here and I directly might
Speaker 3: be someone from my crew fighting his crew whatever, and
Speaker 3: it escalates again. Before I did that, though, I reached
Speaker 3: out to members of his family. I'm not going to
Speaker 3: say names, but people that are older than him, and
Speaker 3: I said, listen, I'm hearing threats. Can we solve this?
Speaker 3: And none of them came back to me. In fact,
Speaker 3: one of them was just like, do what you need
Speaker 3: to do. I was like, cool, Like, just for the record,
Speaker 3: I want before I do anything, can we solve this?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: And yeah, he said, you're like his big sister who
Speaker 2: will always love you and would never let anything better.
Speaker 3: No, yeah, that's why I said, I do I think
Speaker 3: he was ever going to carry out No, I think
Speaker 3: he was just you know, David is such a joy
Speaker 3: like he's just a joyful no when I sort of
Speaker 3: and he doesn't mean it so and I feel like
Speaker 3: that too. I feel like he is like a brother
Speaker 3: to me, and that's why it and we haven't seen
Speaker 3: each other, and I'm sure it's going to be all love.
Speaker 3: It's definitely all love for me. And I want him
Speaker 3: to know I haven't spoken to you, David, but I
Speaker 3: do want you to know that I do love you
Speaker 3: and I've never I would never betray you or like
Speaker 3: take sides. I just want you to know that I'm
Speaker 3: always putting our kids first. So and that's why I
Speaker 3: just feel like I have to be respectful to the
Speaker 3: mother of a child.
Speaker 1: So why did you say the Big three?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, no no, no, no, no, no no,
Speaker 3: So not fuck them life, but the narrative of the
Speaker 3: Big three? Yeah, Like, f that narrative because this is
Speaker 3: a continent, This is so many artists, and we keep
Speaker 3: reducing it to three three artists every single time. When
Speaker 3: we have diamonds, we have flavor, we have we have terms,
Speaker 3: we have like the listen Rema like, yeah, I loves
Speaker 3: I'm like my right, yeah, and I'm like they're like
Speaker 3: and we don't include them in the top three. Why
Speaker 3: Like so I'm like, f that narrative.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you're right, it's like you hear burna boy.
Speaker 2: You hear with kids here, but for me and that
Speaker 2: I listen to a lot of listen to a lot
Speaker 2: of teams, and I'm like, I don't know why it.
Speaker 1: Is just those three. Is it is it sales?
Speaker 4: Is it maybe?
Speaker 3: And I think they have a really strong fan base,
Speaker 3: so their fan base is very They're they're active. Yeah,
Speaker 3: they're very, very active.
Speaker 1: Even you you you got to be in that conversation.
Speaker 4: As well, like I mean, you know what I see
Speaker 4: people do lot and I don't know if you see
Speaker 4: this too. They put you, they put you in Tyler,
Speaker 4: Like there's a conversation a lot with you and Tyler.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 4: I think, well, I think it's because if you're not
Speaker 4: from where you guys are from anybody that's like big
Speaker 4: from a certain type of music, people just like to
Speaker 4: talk about you guys. At one point, I saw conversations
Speaker 4: with like Tims Tyler like just whoa who is the
Speaker 4: girl now? And then even when they had when we
Speaker 4: were having the colors conversation, people were having conversations about
Speaker 4: dark skinned women from certain places being able to make
Speaker 4: it versus lighter skinned women, and they got mad about
Speaker 4: the color of the comments. Like I've seen the conversation
Speaker 4: around you guys, but more so, uh should you more
Speaker 4: so like a skin color thing. Really, Yes, I've seen
Speaker 4: that conversation.
Speaker 1: I've seen.
Speaker 4: A star like You're like she she's kind of like
Speaker 4: you big up her a lot, right, Yeah, I love
Speaker 4: to see Yeah, I hate, not hate, but comparisons with you,
Speaker 4: Irish Star. Really well maybe because we've we've like I've
Speaker 4: we're both. I was signed to Don Jazzy and she's
Speaker 4: with Don Jazzy now, and he's you know, anyone that has.
Speaker 3: Ever ever been under him? Pause but yeah, no, yeah,
Speaker 3: I don't want this to be taken out of context,
Speaker 3: but yeah, anyone who's ever been associated with him knows
Speaker 3: that he does not play that. So he yeah, he's
Speaker 3: yeah and just But I love her regardless anyway, And
Speaker 3: I just have to respect his artists. But regardless of that,
Speaker 3: I love Ira.
Speaker 4: I think too though in music, like whenever we were
Speaker 4: talking without this earlier with Kardi, whenever you get to
Speaker 4: a certain point, people just have to like there's that
Speaker 4: competitive nature that comes in from the fans and just
Speaker 4: the people in the critics, like it just happens.
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I feel like as artists we have the
Speaker 3: opportunity to what's the word. Yeah, earlier on, like I
Speaker 3: saw that kind of coming with Ira, and I'm like, nah,
Speaker 3: you guys are not going to build this awkwardness between us.
Speaker 3: And I'm posting her, she's posting me. So the fans
Speaker 3: can't even they can't even kind of like build that
Speaker 3: narrative between the both of us, because earlier on we
Speaker 3: were just like, yeah, let's get this conversation. This is
Speaker 3: not even that it's not a topic.
Speaker 4: I know you guys are from two different places, but
Speaker 4: when the colored conversation was happening with Tyler, from your perspective,
Speaker 4: how did you feel about the conversation and just how
Speaker 4: she handled in people's reaction to it.
Speaker 3: Who you guys are serious? Oh, I feel like two
Speaker 3: truths can be real. At the same time, I feel like,
Speaker 3: maybe I don't really know what the first thing she
Speaker 3: said was that sparked the whole conversation, But I do
Speaker 3: know that from where she's from, she's you know, she was.
Speaker 3: I think she she doesn't. She doesn't consider they don't
Speaker 3: call her black, they call her color colored because she's
Speaker 3: because she's mixed. And I guess I get why that
Speaker 3: would be such a huge thing here because of I mean,
Speaker 3: the history behind that name. You know, I don't know
Speaker 3: if I think I felt for her a little bit
Speaker 3: because I feel like she's young and I don't think
Speaker 3: she means to come across like that. But where we're from,
Speaker 3: where I'm from, when something like this happens, like they say,
Speaker 3: the elder will come and say it on behalf of
Speaker 3: such and such, you apologize.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: That's what I feel like, if if if if that
Speaker 3: wasn't if that wasn't communicated, I would I would like
Speaker 3: to say, you know, like on behalf of that her
Speaker 3: or whatever, like we apologize, like you know, we didn't
Speaker 3: mean it was, you know, because I don't think it
Speaker 3: came from a bad place, you know what I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't think it came from a bad place.
Speaker 2: And they making it to me, they're making it bigger
Speaker 2: than what it needs to be. I've heard her explain it,
Speaker 2: and it makes perfect sense to me. When and then
Speaker 2: you know, recently she put out an album and it
Speaker 2: didn't do well and they were blaming the comments, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't think that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they were blaming you too, Charlamagne.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Question, he always says, you got to know if you
Speaker 4: come to anywhere at that time when everyone's having that conversation,
Speaker 4: is going to be asked, And I think that they
Speaker 4: should have prepared her to at least glide through the question.
Speaker 4: Like it was so like I'm not answering that, Like
Speaker 4: it made it a thing of like well why not? Yeah,
Speaker 4: which she described it in Vogue right after that, and
Speaker 4: I was like, okay, girl, you could have just said that.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but have you have you guys never earlier on
Speaker 3: in your career made maybe mistakes you guys?
Speaker 4: Ever he smelt, he smelled somebody's seats happened?
Speaker 1: Was it? No?
Speaker 3: Why because you wanted to smile? Was nice?
Speaker 1: It was?
Speaker 4: He's been done for a very no.
Speaker 3: But yeah, so I feel like she's learning. Yeah, she'll
Speaker 3: learned from that, and she'll know. She'll now know, like
Speaker 3: when I'm going to certain interviews, like, yeah, I guess,
Speaker 3: let me watch what type of interview is? Are they?
Speaker 3: You know, do they ask hard questions? And let me
Speaker 3: be prepared? Like you know, I think people do.
Speaker 4: Don't when they're watching celebrities do the things that y'all
Speaker 4: do with interviews and stuff, you don't realize that her
Speaker 4: fans don't realize that you guys are people. So sometimes
Speaker 4: even if she's prepared to answer the question, she might
Speaker 4: be nervous and still she's sitting with you know, you
Speaker 4: come here, you sit with like Charlotte Maye and he
Speaker 4: makes people nervous.
Speaker 3: Was not prepared for you guys to ask me this.
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, no, no, I'm okay, yes, you're only
Speaker 3: your business.
Speaker 4: I'm really insure you.
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 2: I do want to know why do you think female
Speaker 2: Why do you think female African artists don't get in
Speaker 2: the Big three conversation?
Speaker 1: Like why aren't they?
Speaker 3: I think culturally still women are not what's the word misogy? Yes, yes,
Speaker 3: so even culturally, not even just in music. For me,
Speaker 3: I've said this before. When I got my tattoos, I
Speaker 3: was I was trending. I'm going to go to hell.
Speaker 3: You know what kind of mother am I? Nobody's going
Speaker 3: to marry me with this. I'm never going to get
Speaker 3: a day job. I'm like, yeah, I don't want to job.
Speaker 3: But you know, like male artists are covered in tattoos
Speaker 3: and they're like, yo, that's he's a rock star. So
Speaker 3: not just the music, just in general, women are still
Speaker 3: like undermind in my culture, so it's obviously going to
Speaker 3: trickle down into music.
Speaker 1: I feel like you do.
Speaker 2: Very well with a podcast, I really, really really because
Speaker 2: I saw you say how you had to sneak away
Speaker 2: from your team because you wanted to be more out spoken,
Speaker 2: and oh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I cursed him out. What No, there was a
Speaker 3: guy and he said Tia does not support female artists
Speaker 3: and she's not signed a female artist and what kind
Speaker 3: of legacy is that? And I said, what are you crazy? Like,
Speaker 3: first of all, I don't have I don't have a
Speaker 3: problem with you having an opinion, but at least do
Speaker 3: your research. No one has done in terms of females.
Speaker 3: No one has done more songs with females than me,
Speaker 3: like literally either me featuring them or then featuring me.
Speaker 3: So you coming on and saying I don't support females,
Speaker 3: that's already wrong, and you have such a huge platform,
Speaker 3: and people were believing that instead of doing the research,
Speaker 3: they're just like, yeah, it's true. And I'm like, wait,
Speaker 3: how many of the songs that I've even done with
Speaker 3: female arts have you guys even promoted Let's start with that, Like,
Speaker 3: so you're not even encouraging us to even work with
Speaker 3: each other because you act like you don't see us.
Speaker 3: So I'm very as much as I'm reserved, I can
Speaker 3: like I don't. Yeah, I'm not scared of no one,
Speaker 3: and I would say any like yes, and if I'm convicted,
Speaker 3: if I'm convicted that I'm saying the truth, my truth. Yeah,
Speaker 3: you can't tell me nothing. I was cussing them out
Speaker 3: in my language.
Speaker 1: And that's why I want you to have a podcast.
Speaker 1: I think it would be very good.
Speaker 2: I think people should be able to ask you questions
Speaker 2: because you have a level of experience, a level.
Speaker 3: Of we feel to the they're always nervous every time
Speaker 3: I go on because this I would trend force something you.
Speaker 4: Always tell me how to like do it and making mistakes. Listen,
Speaker 4: if you're on a platform, you will make them, but
Speaker 4: you will learn how to do it in a way
Speaker 4: that is like beneficial but like still authentic to you.
Speaker 3: And I think I'll ever share that.
Speaker 4: That's great you home to day. You have to have
Speaker 4: already know I was talking way too.
Speaker 2: That's why I can tell, like, everything you're saying is
Speaker 2: all the reasons you should have a podcast.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's even the streaming thing is getting big like,
Speaker 3: but the podcast, Yeah, but I I yeah, I make
Speaker 3: them nervous, man, Like even the whole thing you asked
Speaker 3: me about Tyler and David, I already know this is
Speaker 3: I always think so I always think I'm very honest,
Speaker 3: and even even me talking about the relationship and being
Speaker 3: in a room or whatever, and a lot of people
Speaker 3: were like, I was oversharing and I'm saying too much.
Speaker 3: And they're even saying that you're doing this because you
Speaker 3: want to promote your album, and I'm just like, I
Speaker 3: don't even know how to lie. If I knew how
Speaker 3: to lie or lie about my age when I first
Speaker 3: came out, because I could have easily done that or
Speaker 3: just lied about the whole situation or just created a
Speaker 3: whole scenario. But my problem is I'll go to another
Speaker 3: interview and I'll forget what I said and I kid
Speaker 3: just said he's a doctor, and I'll be like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 3: he's a basketball player, and I'll just trip myself, like.
Speaker 2: Say, you should never lie because when you lie, you
Speaker 2: when you tell the truth, you don't ever have to remember.
Speaker 1: What you said.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know how to not share the truth
Speaker 3: or just be so honest. Oh that gets me in
Speaker 3: trouble a lot.
Speaker 4: I think you're allowed to talk about like your mom
Speaker 4: and you went through divorced relationship. You know this this
Speaker 4: sex tape stuff. Music, you could be like a tunnel
Speaker 4: and you to have your lady.
Speaker 3: That's what I tried to do with the sex tape.
Speaker 3: So I had an interview and I had just gotten
Speaker 3: the video and then I was Angie Martinez. Yes. So
Speaker 3: I was going there to promote a song and I'm like,
Speaker 3: I'm just gonna say what is and my everyone was like, no,
Speaker 3: you cannot. And I went there and I said it
Speaker 3: and then they released it anyway, and I'm like, before
Speaker 3: you embarrassed me or think that you're gonna get one
Speaker 3: on me, I'm just gonna go on there and say listen,
Speaker 3: was gonna come out and they're threatening me and I'm thinking,
Speaker 3: I'm controlling my narrative, and then it backfires on me
Speaker 3: because they now said I did it on purpose.
Speaker 4: It's just to be mad at that, because at the
Speaker 4: same time, whenever the sex tape conversation comes up, people
Speaker 4: point to that interview, your explanation of it. So it
Speaker 4: did control the narrative, like you got to learn the
Speaker 4: high level winds and can't be down here with all
Speaker 4: the low level Yeah yeah you entertainment.
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, no, well no I don't but yeah, it's
Speaker 3: still kind of there, but it's not it's not.
Speaker 4: Very great for you to break artists through as well.
Speaker 4: I think you should do it.
Speaker 3: I don't think I have I don't think Okay, let
Speaker 3: me just clear this out. It's not that I don't
Speaker 3: want to help, but I don't think everybody's cut out
Speaker 3: to sign artists, especially as an artist. Because you've seen
Speaker 3: some artists. I'm not going to mention the name they've
Speaker 3: signed other artists and what's happened to them. Yeah, because
Speaker 3: there's still that competition is still not to say that
Speaker 3: I'm in I'm going to be in competition, but I
Speaker 3: don't have that mindset. I don't have that that heart
Speaker 3: where I could wake up and my artists could be
Speaker 3: trending about something and I would be heartbroken. I wondn't
Speaker 3: be able to control it because I'm like what I
Speaker 3: feel like the way I can give back is by
Speaker 3: I'm opening a music school. So yeah, I'm partnering with
Speaker 3: Berkeley College of Music. I'm going to also start with
Speaker 3: like awarding scholarships to African students to come all the
Speaker 3: way to Boston learn music, because I think like everybody
Speaker 3: gets stuck on artists. But there's so many other parts
Speaker 3: of music. There's music therapy to help you know when
Speaker 3: you have canter patients, and you know, there's film scoring,
Speaker 3: like creating music for movies. There's music education. So yeah,
Speaker 3: so there's other parts of it. So that's my way
Speaker 3: of helping people. I don't have the I don't have
Speaker 3: the gift to sign other artists, but I can give
Speaker 3: back in.
Speaker 2: That way that is you are very that's a very
Speaker 2: self aware thing to say, yeah, and I can't.
Speaker 3: I can't do it, like and not everybody can do that,
Speaker 3: and they'll be very selfish of me to sign somebody
Speaker 3: else that I feel like, if I want to sign
Speaker 3: somebody else, I need to be out of the game. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because I'm going to be like you releasing something, and
Speaker 3: you're releasing something. Even if I say there's no competition,
Speaker 3: they still will be a little bit. So I'm not
Speaker 3: I'm not there yet.
Speaker 2: Wow, my last quar No, I understand I like this
Speaker 2: stelf aware because there's a lot of people that are
Speaker 2: coming to my mind right now, and I'm like, I
Speaker 2: wish they took that advice.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of American artists. I'm like, you know what, Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's one in particular saying it.
Speaker 3: J No, you don't think he should have signed.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think I think it was good that
Speaker 2: he did because he introduced us to a lot of people.
Speaker 2: But I feel like he had the best roster of
Speaker 2: artists of any of of the artists of those of
Speaker 2: that new generation. He had Harry Lennox, Earth Gang and
Speaker 2: Jed and it's just like, yeah, and I feel like
Speaker 2: him being as big as he was, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I just felt like he could have just made all
Speaker 2: of them bigger, you know. I just felt like Dreamville
Speaker 2: could have been a lot, lot, a lot bigger.
Speaker 1: And I've heard recently that he feels the same way that. Really,
Speaker 1: I could be completely wrong, I could just making it,
Speaker 1: but that's what I've heard. That's why, that's why they disbanded.
Speaker 4: What you just did there where you got him to
Speaker 4: have a conversation and now that's going to be a
Speaker 4: clip and people are going to be discussing that your
Speaker 4: podcast will go off. Girl, Yeah, maybe maybe you guys
Speaker 4: should invite me more off and and maybe have me
Speaker 4: speak or we.
Speaker 2: Could just launch the Tear or Savage podcast on the
Speaker 2: Black Effect Podcast.
Speaker 3: Now yeah, no, one hundred percent. I would Oh my god,
Speaker 3: that would be sick, I think. So we're saying this
Speaker 3: on air, like, don't you think this is one of
Speaker 3: the things that should go out that you guys should
Speaker 3: you should cut out?
Speaker 2: My last question, what do you hope your listeners take
Speaker 2: away from this album emotionally, spiritually and in terms of healing.
Speaker 3: I would love them to listen to it from start
Speaker 3: to finish, not like shuffle it and go on the journey,
Speaker 3: and know that I went through I went through heartache
Speaker 3: where it felt like a disease, like to minimize you know,
Speaker 3: a lot of people people say it's just a heartache,
Speaker 3: it's not like you've got cancer or whatever, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 3: it's not, but it can feel like the end of
Speaker 3: the world. So I want them to know that they're
Speaker 3: whatever they're going through is valid, and but also listen
Speaker 3: to it to the end and know that you can
Speaker 3: get through it and you can heal. And that last
Speaker 3: song changed, you know. That's why I say listen to
Speaker 3: it like, you know, like a journey of emotions and
Speaker 3: know that at the end of the day, everything does
Speaker 3: work out and and it will work out. It has
Speaker 3: to work out.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's t y savage.
Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us the conversation.
Speaker 1: It's the breakfast Club, every day Breakfast Club. Feels y'all done.