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Speaker 1: Every day Breakfast Club. You don't feels for y'all done?

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Speaker 2: Yes, it's the world most dangerous morning to show the

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Speaker 2: Breakfast Club Charlamage the God DJ NV just hilarious, justin

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Speaker 2: and beyond here today. But Lauren Lerosa is and we

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Speaker 2: got a special guest in the building. She had a

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Speaker 2: new album came out in August called This One Is Personal?

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Speaker 2: Personal t Y Savage, good morning.

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Speaker 1: How you feeling.

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Speaker 3: I'm good. I feel blessed.

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Speaker 4: Every time I run into you in New York. You

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Speaker 4: just always look amazing. Really, yes, I love literally, You're

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Speaker 4: one of my favorite people to just run into because

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Speaker 4: it just be so effortless every.

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Speaker 1: Why are you in the same places as Lauren? Why

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Speaker 1: are you in the same places as I?

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Speaker 4: Like, she's in all these great places because she's this

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Speaker 4: huge superstar.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you know what You're right, Let me change my perspective.

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Speaker 4: I was able to say something to you, but not

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Speaker 4: in front of company. Some things you.

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Speaker 3: Need to check you're going to be best behavior.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the name of this album, This One is personal.

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Speaker 2: When I'm looking into the album, the first thing I

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Speaker 2: think is who is the main inspired this?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? It was, it was. It was hard. It was,

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Speaker 3: But honestly, I think I feel like it's like a

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Speaker 3: combination of different scenarios. I think that there's different things

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Speaker 3: that I've gone through that I really haven't I hadn't

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Speaker 3: dealt with and I was just moving and just going

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Speaker 3: on to different things. So it's just the last one

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Speaker 3: was just really like it was really bad.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it was. It was really.

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Speaker 3: I don't want to give him too much credit because

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Speaker 3: I'm doing way better than him, so I don't want

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Speaker 3: to kick him while he's down.

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Speaker 1: So what there's specific moments are events that you drew

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Speaker 1: on while making this album.

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Speaker 3: Every single thing was something. It wasn't like, you know,

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Speaker 3: like when you're writing or you're in the studio and

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Speaker 3: you're kind of fabricating stuff. No, everything was like exactly

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Speaker 3: what I went through, every single emotion, every single line,

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Speaker 3: everything was like, yeah, it was deep. So and that

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Speaker 3: was really important for me for this project because doing

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Speaker 3: Aphrobe a lot of times is about feel good, right.

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Speaker 3: I decided to take a leap of faith and just

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Speaker 3: really put out my heart, which we don't really get

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Speaker 3: in in aphrob.

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Speaker 2: That's interesting because you know, when I'm here now, it

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Speaker 2: does sound like it's more traditional R and B. Yeah, right,

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Speaker 2: So you think it's I don't want to say impossible,

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Speaker 2: but it's hard to deliver these kind of messages with afrobeats.

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Speaker 3: I don't think so. But for me it was hard

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Speaker 3: for me because I'm from I fell in love with

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Speaker 3: R and B. That's like, that was what really got

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Speaker 3: me into doing music. Like you know, I saw Brandy

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Speaker 3: and that's how I was like, yeah, I started shedding

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Speaker 3: Brandy and listened to Brandy. So for me, that's my

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Speaker 3: comfort zone. So when I want to listen to something

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Speaker 3: to evoke some kind of emotion, I go back to

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Speaker 3: my R and B playlist. So I had to go

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Speaker 3: back to that for me. I mean, other people can

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Speaker 3: can do it with aphrobe but it wasn't it's not

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Speaker 3: typically what I would do. Yes, So I went back

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Speaker 3: to my first love.

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Speaker 4: I could feel the Brandy in it. But even too,

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Speaker 4: I think the sound and softness of your voice on

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Speaker 4: some of the songs, which I don't probably do a purpose.

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Speaker 4: It's just your voice, but it is very Brandy reminiscent.

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Speaker 3: Like nah, she's like my mentor man, like she's like yeah.

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Speaker 3: The reason why I even really really got into music was, yeah,

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Speaker 3: just studying her, like studying her harmonies, her vocal air

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Speaker 3: and everything was just yeah, man.

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Speaker 4: Do you guys have a personal relationship too, We're just

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Speaker 4: like aspirational mentor.

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Speaker 3: Well we have a song together. So we've done a

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Speaker 3: song together called Somebody's Son, And yeah, definitely obviously worked

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Speaker 3: with her, did the video and we're still you know,

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Speaker 3: in DMS and things were still Yeah, yeah, she's she's incredible.

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Speaker 3: You know they always say, don't meet your idol es. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 3: it was, yeah, she was. It was completely different. I

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Speaker 3: was so in awe of her, Like recording it in

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Speaker 4: I had to leave the studio.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I couldn't stay. Like wow, yeah.

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Speaker 1: It was it was like did that fuck with your performance?

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Speaker 1: Was that message your performance?

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Speaker 3: Like do you feel like oh, I'd already recorded my part.

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Speaker 3: So when I was just sitting there just listening to

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Speaker 3: I remembered when I was just like thirteen fourteen. I

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Speaker 3: had to just step out to be like, yoh God,

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Speaker 3: are you really doing this for me? Is this really

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Speaker 3: happening here? It was like a blessing of.

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Speaker 2: How did you decide which stories you were ready to

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Speaker 2: share on this album and which ones you want to

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Speaker 2: keep private.

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Speaker 3: I didn't keep anything I did. I just I put

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Speaker 3: everything out like. I was just like, yeah, I need

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Speaker 3: to and a lot of people doubted. A lot of

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Speaker 3: you know, people were like, m it's a bit too personal.

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Speaker 3: People are not really going to relate. It's a bit

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Speaker 3: too musical because I had like on ten percent, for instance,

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Speaker 3: I had like live instruments. I went to Nashville and

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Speaker 3: those are live horns, live guitars, live drum, live bass.

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Speaker 3: I even had like, instead of some songs, I didn't

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Speaker 3: put like a second verse, I put like a musical break.

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Speaker 3: And people are like, no, in the world of TikTok,

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Speaker 3: this is I studied music, so I need to I

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Speaker 3: need to go back to my root. And I wasn't

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Speaker 3: worried about streams or anything like. Seriously, I really.

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Speaker 2: Wasn't such an interesting song because you say that your

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Speaker 2: phone was in the studio from some guys somebody signed.

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Speaker 3: No, no, seriously no, it was in the middle of

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Speaker 3: the session. Yes, And I went to get some yes,

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Speaker 3: and I'm not like literally like I just got out

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Speaker 3: got a message and it was just like come over

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Speaker 3: and I was like, then I got a picture and

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Speaker 3: I was like, oh, oh my god, did you why

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Speaker 4: It was a picture, not a video though, that was

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Speaker 1: You know, we called it, we call it being digmatized.

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Speaker 4: Wa.

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Speaker 2: You're in the middle of a studio session. You work

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Speaker 2: towards your goals and your dreams.

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Speaker 3: And just ca yeah, because you know, it's like you know,

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Speaker 3: work out so you can you free your mind.

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Speaker 4: Okay, your phone was on ten percent though, did it

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Speaker 4: die in the car?

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Speaker 3: You just know I was fast, That's what I was.

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Speaker 3: I was. I was getting fast. I was I was

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Speaker 3: telling my driver like, you need to hurry out because

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Speaker 3: to be able to call him and be like I'm downstairs.

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Speaker 1: You didn't have to drive if they had a charger.

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Speaker 3: No, no, I was my car, but was my driver

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Speaker 3: charge in your No, I didn't.

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Speaker 4: You were about the wrong thing. She was in the

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Speaker 4: back spring on the little sprit spray get look right

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Speaker 4: like she was getting you ready, already ready.

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Speaker 1: It was hold on that you got your mind cleared

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Speaker 1: and you went back to the studio.

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Speaker 3: I didn't go back that day. Iay, I know, I

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Speaker 3: was like I was in the rush. He wasn't trying

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Speaker 4: You spend the night, what day?

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Speaker 3: Forget a bit now.

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Speaker 2: I just want to know creatively, what came to you

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Speaker 2: after you.

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Speaker 4: Addicted?

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Speaker 1: Oh okay, all right.

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Speaker 3: Oh my god.

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Speaker 2: And it said it took you two years to make

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Speaker 2: this album, Yeah it did. Why because what were some

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Speaker 2: of the biggest challenges.

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Speaker 3: I would stop and start. Initially, I would like a

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Speaker 3: lot of people trying to convince me to go more

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Speaker 3: afro beat. So I would be in the studio and

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Speaker 3: I'll record a lot, and then I'll listen to it

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Speaker 3: and I'll start and I'll say, no, I want to

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Speaker 3: really do this type of project that's R and B leaning,

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Speaker 3: and I have to do it in my full chest.

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Speaker 3: I can't just dabble like I've been doing for years.

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Speaker 3: So it took me two years to just and also

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Speaker 3: like mentally to be ready emotionally to get through that,

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Speaker 3: to be able to sing sing, sing, And I think

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Speaker 3: when you're when you want to do like R and

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Speaker 3: it took me a while. Do you get a pushback

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Speaker 3: very much R and B.

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Speaker 4: It doesn't sound like afrobeats? Are they? How do they

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Speaker 4: feel about that? You're fans?

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Speaker 3: My real fans really know that this is what I

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Speaker 3: seeking their opinion. Yeah, so I don't. But to be honest,

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Speaker 3: I've gotten so much love, yes, from even people that

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Speaker 3: your savage for instance, to be like yo, and a

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Speaker 3: lot of them don't even know I'm like jan so

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Speaker 3: they're like yeah, but they think I'm just like, you know,

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Speaker 3: And I'm like, yo, she's African. Wow. Like, so it's

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Speaker 3: opening me up to like a whole new audience.

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Speaker 4: I was talking about how crazy it is. When I

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Speaker 4: lot of people that I was with who didn't know

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Speaker 4: They're like, who is this girl?

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Speaker 3: I don't know her?

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Speaker 4: But coming over here to the US, there probably are

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Speaker 4: a lot of people, even though you've been back and forth,

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Speaker 4: you know, that are discovering you. Now, what is that

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Speaker 4: like for you because you've been here.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you know a lot of artists find it hard

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Speaker 3: because they're so big in their territory or whatever. They

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Speaker 3: find it hard to like, I don't know if it's

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Speaker 3: an ego thing, but they find it hard to like

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Speaker 3: go somewhere where maybe nobody knows who they are. Yeah, Like,

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Speaker 3: and I love that. I actually think that it's an

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Speaker 3: opportunity for me to reintroduce myself again and like learn

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Speaker 3: from maybe stuff that I've done and where people actually

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Speaker 3: this is my introduction again to like a new market.

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Speaker 3: I love it. I love going to like you said,

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Speaker 3: Now, Yeah, I know, I know, And I just that

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Speaker 1: So you don't want to meet somebody until you are

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Speaker 3: Of Yeah, I need to be completely like got you? Yeah, completely,

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Speaker 1: Because right now you're just toxic.

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Speaker 3: No I'm not.

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Speaker 4: No way, are you hurt still?

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Speaker 3: I think nah that that situation, all those situations is done. No,

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Speaker 3: I'm just I'm just a bit. I'm just wary man,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, And I still do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, but a lot of people use chat

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Speaker 2: When did you realize that you just didn't want to

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Speaker 3: Because one, yeah, I love my son, Yes, absolutely right,

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Speaker 2: But you love other things like penis.

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Speaker 4: I don't know if I come attached to I've gone.

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Speaker 3: Like maybe like three years without. I know, it's not

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Speaker 4: About Yeah, three hundred and sixty five days time time.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I've done that.

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Speaker 1: So you don't need so so you have to be

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Speaker 3: Yes, yes, I don't have to be with someone for

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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe I need to. Maybe that's what for my

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Speaker 1: Now, you have a whole bunch of roles just for Christmas.

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Speaker 2: You're wondering why why all these boxes Buzzing't they're gonna

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Speaker 1: That go ahead.

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Speaker 4: I was gonna say you you recently got your fans going.

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Speaker 4: You're trying to figure out who you were talking about.

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Speaker 4: You did an interview, You did an interview. You talk

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Speaker 4: to because people think you're talking about whiz Kid.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I know, and you know, my shout out to Wiskit.

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Speaker 3: I love risk It, I respect Whisky is not about

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Speaker 4: Oh so just like someone of them?

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Speaker 1: Shiit?

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Speaker 3: Like, no, it's not No, it's not one hundred percent.

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Speaker 4: Were you wanting to like, because I mean, keeping it

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Speaker 4: But initially I was about to say, but it gives.

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Speaker 3: Got me like, oh, you know, I cherished this so

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Speaker 4: And when you say work in the room, you mean

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's crazy.

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Speaker 4: What did that do to you? Just mentally, because now

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Speaker 4: and that's just one situation with one person.

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00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:51,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, at the time, I didn't think it was that bad.

438
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:53,959
Speaker 3: I didn't see how bad it was. Like my friends

439
00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:58,679
Speaker 3: are telling me you're crazy, like this is They're like,

440
00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:03,720
Speaker 3: this guy's plea and I'm like, no, look, I understand.

441
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:06,520
Speaker 3: We haven't understanding. I know what he's doing, Like he

442
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,520
Speaker 3: doesn't really like her, he's not You're just you're doing

443
00:21:09,560 --> 00:21:19,800
Speaker 3: this for me. And now now I'm talking about everyth

444
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:24,400
Speaker 3: you guys, I'm like, I'm embarrassed even like how did

445
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:27,760
Speaker 3: I yo? Because I used to be that type of

446
00:21:27,760 --> 00:21:31,199
Speaker 3: person to look at girls, I break guy's cars and

447
00:21:31,200 --> 00:21:33,440
Speaker 3: I'm like, yo, I can never get to that point

448
00:21:33,480 --> 00:21:35,600
Speaker 3: where the guy will get me to And then now

449
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 3: that girl is like accepting bullshit, Like it's so it's

450
00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:47,200
Speaker 3: so embarrassing for me to know that I allow that

451
00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:47,679
Speaker 3: to happen.

452
00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:49,600
Speaker 2: I want you to know it comes off in the

453
00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:51,639
Speaker 2: music because I think a lot of times when you

454
00:21:51,640 --> 00:21:53,959
Speaker 2: try to balance, you know, these themes of love and

455
00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:58,440
Speaker 2: heartbreak and faith, like sometimes you can feel performative rather

456
00:21:58,520 --> 00:21:59,120
Speaker 2: than authentic.

457
00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:02,080
Speaker 1: But when I'm listening to it, I'm driving, like who

458
00:22:02,119 --> 00:22:08,159
Speaker 1: heard her? Like somebody did a number? How did you

459
00:22:08,240 --> 00:22:08,760
Speaker 1: navigate that?

460
00:22:08,840 --> 00:22:11,479
Speaker 2: How did you navigate like balancing those themes to make

461
00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:13,719
Speaker 2: it feel authentic rather than performance.

462
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:16,320
Speaker 3: I had the right people that I was working with,

463
00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:20,600
Speaker 3: the right writers. Yeah, I had. And it wasn't a lot.

464
00:22:20,640 --> 00:22:23,120
Speaker 3: It wasn't like a camp where it's just like we're

465
00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 3: trying to make hits.

466
00:22:24,560 --> 00:22:24,760
Speaker 1: You know.

467
00:22:24,840 --> 00:22:28,320
Speaker 3: I was very vulnerable with these people. Like for the

468
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:31,240
Speaker 3: first I would say, even week we didn't make music,

469
00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,000
Speaker 3: we were just hanging out in this house in Malibu

470
00:22:34,600 --> 00:22:36,840
Speaker 3: and I was just hearing their story and they were

471
00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 3: hearing my story. So you know, it was more like

472
00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:44,280
Speaker 3: we bonded before we even started like recording, and yeah,

473
00:22:44,320 --> 00:22:47,200
Speaker 3: I was really really open and I said, listen, this

474
00:22:47,280 --> 00:22:52,040
Speaker 3: is like I'm due an album, I'm due a project,

475
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:54,720
Speaker 3: but I can't until I get this out, I can't

476
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,480
Speaker 3: do anything else. And there was a lot of times

477
00:22:56,520 --> 00:23:01,960
Speaker 3: I was crying, especially the first record. Yeah, that took

478
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:06,280
Speaker 3: me like four attempts to record. Yeah, yeah that was.

479
00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:08,880
Speaker 3: That was really Even now when I listened to the album,

480
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 3: I skip that. Yeah, I can't listen to it. I

481
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:17,040
Speaker 3: haven't been able to perform it. Yeah, it's been, Yeah

482
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 3: it was. It was tough.

483
00:23:19,040 --> 00:23:20,880
Speaker 2: So that's I was going to ask. The one song

484
00:23:20,960 --> 00:23:23,320
Speaker 2: on the album the hardest to write record is clearly

485
00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:23,720
Speaker 2: I'm done.

486
00:23:23,760 --> 00:23:26,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm done done. Well yeah, But then I end

487
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 3: the record with Change with James funt Laury, where it's

488
00:23:30,240 --> 00:23:32,879
Speaker 3: basically just saying that I want to change back to

489
00:23:34,240 --> 00:23:37,200
Speaker 3: who God created me to be. So it's not changing

490
00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:40,560
Speaker 3: for a man, it's changing for changing for God. Going

491
00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:42,960
Speaker 3: back to a factory setting, like you.

492
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 1: Know interesting, Yeah, I don't know if you go back

493
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:46,359
Speaker 1: to factory setting.

494
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:49,080
Speaker 2: No, I think that you have these No, I think

495
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:53,040
Speaker 2: you have these experiences and they they actually turn you

496
00:23:53,080 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 2: into a better version.

497
00:23:54,960 --> 00:23:57,680
Speaker 3: But don't you rebooth? You know, when something's like when

498
00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 3: something and you switch it off, like your phone, you

499
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,840
Speaker 3: canletely switch it off and then switch it back on

500
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:05,359
Speaker 3: because it's just tweaking. I think I was like I

501
00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:06,280
Speaker 3: needed to switch off.

502
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,119
Speaker 1: But what did you learn? Though? Like they always say,

503
00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,119
Speaker 1: you know, it's not a loss if you learn something

504
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:10,439
Speaker 1: from the.

505
00:24:12,160 --> 00:24:15,280
Speaker 3: Learned what I learned when it's red, When it's a

506
00:24:15,320 --> 00:24:18,720
Speaker 3: red flag, it is a red flag. It's not off red,

507
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:22,280
Speaker 3: it's not pink, it's not light red. It's what it is.

508
00:24:22,440 --> 00:24:26,800
Speaker 3: And I'm learning to accept. So yeah, yeah, I'm just

509
00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:31,479
Speaker 3: that's that's the main thing, and just valuing myself and

510
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 3: knowing that really, yeah, I I wasn't the problem and

511
00:24:37,800 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 3: I don't have to change for somebody, and I'm enough.

512
00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:45,520
Speaker 3: You know all the you know, cliche type of things,

513
00:24:45,560 --> 00:24:48,720
Speaker 3: but they're cliches because that's what it's. That's the truth.

514
00:24:48,960 --> 00:24:52,720
Speaker 3: So but mainly, if someone shows you who they are,

515
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:56,320
Speaker 3: like really, just accept it from the first girl, like

516
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:57,560
Speaker 3: save yourself the heartbreak.

517
00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:02,199
Speaker 2: Faith is another topic you examine, right, So, how has

518
00:25:02,240 --> 00:25:06,040
Speaker 2: your spirituality changed? I've grown after making this album.

519
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 3: I've always been a very like you know, I'm Christian.

520
00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:15,400
Speaker 3: I believe in Jesus, so I've always that. I think

521
00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:18,200
Speaker 3: it's just me going back, like I said, going back

522
00:25:18,240 --> 00:25:21,720
Speaker 3: to not just like I do this thing where I

523
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,040
Speaker 3: just pray in the morning like quickly, like thank you

524
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,520
Speaker 3: Jesus for the day, and then that's it. But now

525
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,080
Speaker 3: I'm spending time yeah yeah, spending time with him and

526
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,359
Speaker 3: knowing that it's important for me to take out time

527
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:37,200
Speaker 3: in the day and be disciplined like that to me

528
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 3: has been like life changing.

529
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 1: So how to pray no more? Come about?

530
00:25:42,640 --> 00:25:49,080
Speaker 3: Ooh? So pray no More is like what if I

531
00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:52,280
Speaker 3: was to be in a relationship again. That's the song,

532
00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:56,479
Speaker 3: Like I'm saying, like you could pray about your career,

533
00:25:56,560 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 3: pray to God about money, pray to God about anything,

534
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 3: but when it comes to me and my love and

535
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 3: my loyalty, you don't need to pray no more. You

536
00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:03,480
Speaker 3: got you got me?

537
00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, because you know that if you do grow to

538
00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 1: love somebody again, this is the real real.

539
00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:10,560
Speaker 3: Yeah yea, yeah, you know you don't need to like

540
00:26:10,640 --> 00:26:14,480
Speaker 3: pray no more, say no more like you got me? Yeah. Yeah.

541
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 4: I saw you were in the studio with Fab last night.

542
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:19,199
Speaker 3: Mmm, you for me?

543
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,199
Speaker 4: Because you for me? You sampled the original song with TMA.

544
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,560
Speaker 4: Yeah h So we're getting a remix with Fabs that

545
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:26,600
Speaker 4: was about to happen.

546
00:26:26,560 --> 00:26:31,240
Speaker 3: I hope, So I hope. So, yeah, we were there.

547
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:33,840
Speaker 3: I played a couple of records and he definitely gravitated

548
00:26:33,880 --> 00:26:37,959
Speaker 3: to that. But I'm a bit because would he remix

549
00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:41,040
Speaker 3: a remix because he's already do you know what I mean?

550
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:44,640
Speaker 3: Like I was a bit skeptical to ask and be like, h.

551
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,560
Speaker 4: But he he was there, you didn't want to ask him.

552
00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 3: No. I played other records that he loved as well,

553
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,760
Speaker 3: but then he loved that too, So I'm hoping by

554
00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:55,240
Speaker 3: today or tomorrow I might get something.

555
00:26:55,240 --> 00:26:55,680
Speaker 4: I feel like that.

556
00:26:55,840 --> 00:26:56,760
Speaker 3: I hope that one.

557
00:26:56,960 --> 00:26:58,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like that makes the most SIPs.

558
00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:02,320
Speaker 3: Yeah really, but you know, like Lightland doesn't strike in

559
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,679
Speaker 3: the same place twice, so is it kind of be like,

560
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 3: oh you should have left the original.

561
00:27:07,520 --> 00:27:10,440
Speaker 1: Maybe that's why you do it. You know what I'm saying,

562
00:27:10,480 --> 00:27:12,480
Speaker 1: you don't like it?

563
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,680
Speaker 3: No, you can't tell someone like you can't have someone

564
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:17,400
Speaker 3: like Favety something and be like no, you can't do that.

565
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,160
Speaker 4: I feel like he's a way that can he can

566
00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:25,480
Speaker 4: like flip it, like he takes basically sampling his own like.

567
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:27,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's too good, he's never he's not even ever

568
00:27:27,800 --> 00:27:30,280
Speaker 3: gonna go below. Yeah, he's too good.

569
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:33,080
Speaker 4: He's too smooth, embrace New York and like just all

570
00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:34,679
Speaker 4: of it just feels like you're living like a different

571
00:27:34,760 --> 00:27:35,480
Speaker 4: life right now.

572
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, New York is good when you have money. Yes,

573
00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 3: I was living here and I don't have money. Yeah,

574
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 3: I hated New York. But being in New York when

575
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,480
Speaker 3: you have a little little coin in your pocket, it's

576
00:27:50,520 --> 00:27:52,000
Speaker 3: just a great It's a great city.

577
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 2: The fact now you didn't put your first song to

578
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 2: you was in your thirties, So what would you say

579
00:27:57,960 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 2: to people who have a passion but feel like it's

580
00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 2: too late the pursuit.

581
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, that's that's my life. That's the story of

582
00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 3: my life. And I feel like I resented God and

583
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,440
Speaker 3: I resented my parents for so long. Yeah for making

584
00:28:09,480 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 3: me wait, Like for making me do two degrees because

585
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:15,000
Speaker 3: I could have been out when I was twenty twenty one,

586
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,920
Speaker 3: like doing two degrees and it made me work as

587
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 3: an accountant.

588
00:28:18,920 --> 00:28:22,240
Speaker 1: Well what God had to do with that, because now.

589
00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 3: I just resented him, like like he I felt like

590
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,040
Speaker 3: he should have made me, given me the opportunity a

591
00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 3: lot sooner. But now looking at it, like I did

592
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 3: it in my thirties, when I'm much grounded, I'm not

593
00:28:37,600 --> 00:28:40,960
Speaker 3: phased by fame or money. I've seen people come and

594
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:46,320
Speaker 3: go some way more humble. I understand how hard you

595
00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 3: have to work for certain things that I've learned from

596
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 3: the great and also for me, Like I feel like

597
00:28:53,960 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 3: I can speak to people like you said, like even

598
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:01,640
Speaker 3: models like who feel like if they're not successful by

599
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,880
Speaker 3: twenty five, they need to retire. I think that's crazy.

600
00:29:06,040 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 3: Or a footballer like by the time you're like hitting

601
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 3: thirty you have to go to Saudi or something to

602
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 3: start playing, Like that's to me, that's crazy. If you're

603
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:17,320
Speaker 3: still fit and you can still do it, it's.

604
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:19,000
Speaker 2: A little different. Like you said, they got to be physically.

605
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 2: It's a physical thing. With music is more mental, it's

606
00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 2: more emotional. I would think that the more experience you have.

607
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:26,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like I always say to someone if I'm going

608
00:29:26,840 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 3: into operating table and that they give me two options

609
00:29:30,560 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 3: of a doctor a surgeon, and they say, this guy

610
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,360
Speaker 3: is young and he's fresh, and he's only been doing

611
00:29:35,360 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 3: this for six months. And they're like, this guy's like

612
00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,720
Speaker 3: sixty something and he's you know, he's been operating on people,

613
00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,760
Speaker 3: he's never had any cases of whatever. I'm going to

614
00:29:43,840 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 3: go with the experienced guys. And I feel like with music,

615
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 3: the older you are, the longer you've been in the industry,

616
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:52,960
Speaker 3: the more seasoned you are. I don't know why they

617
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,160
Speaker 3: try and shut us out. The older we get like

618
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 3: it's just it's crazy to me, Like.

619
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, well they're more difficult, you think.

620
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,200
Speaker 3: When I started, people didn't realize how old I was,

621
00:30:03,640 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 3: so they became fans. And then by the time they realized,

622
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 3: they were like what, Yo, how old? But they're already

623
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 3: like turn hint to like they already like my fan,

624
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 3: like they already loved the brand. So yeah, but now

625
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 3: I think would I say it's difficult sometimes, like and

626
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,800
Speaker 3: I don't shy away from it. That's usually one of

627
00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,760
Speaker 3: the first things I say to people, like, hey, you

628
00:30:26,800 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 3: know because and then when they find out, some people

629
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 3: actually be like, yo.

630
00:30:31,160 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 4: We can't because of your age. Yeah, brands are is

631
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 4: and be like what yeah, like they'll yeah, it's a

632
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 4: music industry. Well, I've heard from label friends that music

633
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:43,880
Speaker 4: they always look for younger artists. But I didn't think

634
00:30:43,880 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 4: it was that point because you're established, like you have music,

635
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 4: you have things, you have numbers, Like.

636
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 3: I'm talking in terms of like opportunities they might say, hmm,

637
00:30:51,600 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 3: the demographic don't really you know, say they always try

638
00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 3: and box me in this icon' oh we think she

639
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 3: can perform, Like if there's a festival or whatever and

640
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:05,040
Speaker 3: there's like three dates, they sometimes try and box me

641
00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 3: in like the icon stage or whatever. And but young

642
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:10,920
Speaker 3: people really, like they really mess with me a lot,

643
00:31:11,600 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 3: and a lot of them don't even really know how

644
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 3: I am, but they will now.

645
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:17,720
Speaker 1: Who cares.

646
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:22,800
Speaker 2: I'm forty seven. I embrace every Okay, being alive is

647
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:26,400
Speaker 2: a blessing. Yeah, consider to the alternative wake up dead,

648
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:27,760
Speaker 2: And a.

649
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,080
Speaker 3: Lot of people don't make it. That's right to our age,

650
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,920
Speaker 3: Like to me when they throw it in my face,

651
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 3: they would say the forty five year old, and I'm like,

652
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:42,280
Speaker 3: you're not. That's a blessing, like they always say. You

653
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,400
Speaker 3: will see people in my comments being like, oh my god,

654
00:31:45,680 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 3: she's still singing. You should give it up. You should

655
00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 3: just damn just like yeah, and it just gets me angry,

656
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 3: like I'm going to be doing this till I'm eighty,

657
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,720
Speaker 3: Like I'm going to keep going.

658
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:57,440
Speaker 2: I'm glad you said that because I saw you saying

659
00:31:57,480 --> 00:32:00,000
Speaker 2: that you were suggesting that this might be your final life.

660
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think you were worn out.

661
00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was just drunk. Maybe I was drunk that night.

662
00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,520
Speaker 3: I was just like, oh my, I must have seen

663
00:32:11,560 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 3: something on an article, must have just pissed me off.

664
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:16,480
Speaker 3: And I'm like, okay, fine, I'm not doing this again.

665
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 3: Turn Out wake comes the next morning and I'm like,

666
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 3: oh jeez, I need to make money.

667
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:25,880
Speaker 1: Unctionately exhausting? Is it to just create music?

668
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 2: I don't think we ever talked to artists about that, Like,

669
00:32:27,880 --> 00:32:29,160
Speaker 2: you spend all of this time, like you said, you

670
00:32:29,240 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 2: spent traveling all around the world, and then you might

671
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:34,880
Speaker 2: push something out and then be one person.

672
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,880
Speaker 3: Like this is oh they give it like a three

673
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 3: out of ten exactly. Yeah. No, I'm not even gonna

674
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 3: lie that. That's you could talk about anything. I could

675
00:32:44,680 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 3: the controversies and I have had a lot, But when

676
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,920
Speaker 3: it comes to music, that's the thing that gets me

677
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 3: because I put so much into it, and again everyone

678
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:59,600
Speaker 3: didn't like Jesus, so who am I like? And it's

679
00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:05,840
Speaker 3: the music KI is subjective. So when that happened, I

680
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 3: just tend to what do I do? I just drink.

681
00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,280
Speaker 3: I just get over it. I just like, shall I

682
00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,959
Speaker 3: watch something, drink, hang out with my friends, invite the

683
00:33:17,000 --> 00:33:21,960
Speaker 3: next day. I forgot about it, but I need to

684
00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:28,800
Speaker 3: trust me he will be It's not it's even worse

685
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,160
Speaker 3: than that. It's worse. I gave the PG version this

686
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:33,560
Speaker 3: a lot. Yeah, it was really bad.

687
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 4: You gotta keep it PG for us.

688
00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 2: In what way do you think this album marks your

689
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,200
Speaker 2: growth though, not just as an artist, but as.

690
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 3: A person musically. I think you can hear like you could.

691
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 3: You could just hear like this growth and there's there's

692
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 3: confidence and like me attempting to do this, like I said,

693
00:33:57,120 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 3: like a night cheering girl doing straight up R and B. Yeah,

694
00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:07,040
Speaker 3: it just shows that I'm in a space where I'm

695
00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:12,160
Speaker 3: not doing music for TikTok moments. I'm not doing songs that. Yeah,

696
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:14,600
Speaker 3: you can hear that this song, this twenty seconds of

697
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 3: this part is going to be a you know, a

698
00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 3: viral moment. You could hear that. I'm comfortable and confident

699
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 3: in the woman I am now musically and just in life.

700
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 3: I'm not chasing anything. I'm enjoying. I'm enjoying being here,

701
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 3: like I'm enjoying doing the press runs. I'm enjoying waking

702
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,799
Speaker 3: up early and they're like I have to do this

703
00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:37,240
Speaker 3: and I'm I'm actually enjoying it now.

704
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,279
Speaker 1: What came out of the process that surprised you about.

705
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 3: Yourself saying no? Yeah, I think I feel like I

706
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,600
Speaker 3: used to be a people pleaser. A lot of the

707
00:34:49,680 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 3: songs that became huge for me, I didn't like them.

708
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 3: A lot of my hit records I didn't like, but

709
00:34:56,840 --> 00:35:00,800
Speaker 3: I said yes, and I you know, but I've learned

710
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,799
Speaker 3: how to just say no and be and but say

711
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 3: in a grace gracious way. Like in a session, I'll

712
00:35:09,800 --> 00:35:12,799
Speaker 3: say to the producer that's not for me. It's a

713
00:35:12,840 --> 00:35:14,880
Speaker 3: great record is going to be a hit. Whoever's going

714
00:35:14,920 --> 00:35:16,799
Speaker 3: to do that, But that's not where I'm at.

715
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:18,600
Speaker 1: Boundaries are important.

716
00:35:18,560 --> 00:35:22,040
Speaker 3: Very very and but when you set boundaries, it's lonely.

717
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 3: I never I never realized how many people I was

718
00:35:27,840 --> 00:35:30,080
Speaker 3: going to lose by seting boundaries.

719
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 1: But they were They clearly weren't meant to be around

720
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: you anyway.

721
00:35:34,280 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's what I'm learning. But it's still lonely, though,

722
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 3: because when you're used to being when you travel and

723
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,680
Speaker 3: then it kind of like as an artist, you know

724
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 3: you're walking into somewhere and you have like ten twenty people,

725
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,680
Speaker 3: and you know everyone's like oh, who's that to, like

726
00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 3: me going to a ventage just be and my manager like,

727
00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 3: it's an adjustment, but then it's also cheaper and like

728
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 3: you said, it's like peace of mind.

729
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,000
Speaker 2: One thing I respect about what you just said though.

730
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 2: You said that you know you did songs that you

731
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:07,919
Speaker 2: didn't want to do but they were still hit.

732
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 3: Yeah.

733
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:10,840
Speaker 2: So a lot of people you talk about programming earlier,

734
00:36:10,840 --> 00:36:12,319
Speaker 2: a lot of people default setting would be like, well,

735
00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:12,959
Speaker 2: let me just keep.

736
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: Recording these songs. Yeah, they work, but they weren't making

737
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,759
Speaker 1: you feel good. Nah nah, even with the success.

738
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:23,720
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, no, I mean it felt good to do. See,

739
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 3: I listened to like, you know, I would listen to

740
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 3: like my label or whatever and be like, Okay, I'll

741
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:30,239
Speaker 3: do it, and then if it works out, I'm like,

742
00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 3: you know, cool, you know you're right. You know, I'm

743
00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 3: glad I listened to you. But I have to listen

744
00:36:36,920 --> 00:36:40,440
Speaker 3: to myself as well, and I have to motivate myself

745
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,680
Speaker 3: and challenge myself and be like, yeah, no, I've done

746
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,680
Speaker 3: this for the past ten years. I've done I know

747
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 3: how to do those type of afrobeat hit records. With

748
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:54,560
Speaker 3: my eyes closed, I'm not excited anymore. Like I want

749
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 3: to be able to go on stage and sing records

750
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 3: and have people crying or like look at them and

751
00:36:59,800 --> 00:37:03,600
Speaker 3: they they know or I feel that they can feel

752
00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 3: the music like I want to. I need that in

753
00:37:06,640 --> 00:37:11,040
Speaker 3: my catalog. Not everything is about this car and that

754
00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:14,000
Speaker 3: and look at my diamonds and I'm the Savage and

755
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:18,000
Speaker 3: I'm this Like okay, we get it. Yeah, yeah, you.

756
00:37:18,000 --> 00:37:20,000
Speaker 1: Do something like that, that's gonna make me feel some

757
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:21,040
Speaker 1: feel something.

758
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I needed that.

759
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,720
Speaker 4: Yeah you are. You mentioned how coming to the US

760
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:29,279
Speaker 4: gave you like kind of like a fresh start, and

761
00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,239
Speaker 4: you mentioned some of the controversies that you know have

762
00:37:31,320 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 4: been have that you've been through. How exhausting is it

763
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 4: to go through things like you know, the controversies that

764
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,919
Speaker 4: we've had to see you talk about publicly and then

765
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:40,920
Speaker 4: come back out with music and you know people are

766
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,360
Speaker 4: gonna want to talk about these things.

767
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:49,760
Speaker 3: It depends what controversy as well. It's been a lot.

768
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,040
Speaker 3: The type of person I am me, I've said this before,

769
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:57,480
Speaker 3: I laugh about things. I laugh like I would I

770
00:37:57,480 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 3: would make fun of myself because I feel that would

771
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:01,479
Speaker 3: that was how I would cope with it. I feel

772
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 3: like if I make fun of it and I pretend

773
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:08,319
Speaker 3: like it's not really getting to me. That's how I

774
00:38:08,400 --> 00:38:10,279
Speaker 3: used to deal with things, and I would put it

775
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:12,719
Speaker 3: in my music. But the way I would put it

776
00:38:12,719 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 3: in my music would be like, you know, when I

777
00:38:15,719 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 3: talked about the sex tape and loaded, and I said,

778
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:22,479
Speaker 3: who's never had sex before? You know, like, and that's

779
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 3: that's how I was able to kind of like try

780
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:26,760
Speaker 3: and get through it. But in hindsight, did I really

781
00:38:26,800 --> 00:38:29,040
Speaker 3: deal with it? I don't think so. And that's what

782
00:38:29,120 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 3: I'm doing now. It's like I was hurt and and

783
00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:35,839
Speaker 3: it's okay for me to say I was hurt. I

784
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:37,800
Speaker 3: was a victim. It happened to me as supposed to

785
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,839
Speaker 3: just trying to let me make a hit out of it,

786
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:43,120
Speaker 3: and you know, I don't care, and you know, like,

787
00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 3: so now it's different. Now, it's like I am I'm

788
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,880
Speaker 3: living in the truth, in my truth and admitting to

789
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 3: myself that, Yo, that shit hurt me.

790
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 1: Well, why couldn't you admit that that?

791
00:38:57,080 --> 00:38:59,279
Speaker 2: Of course that would hurt you if somebody tries to

792
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 2: blackmail you over sex tape.

793
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:01,920
Speaker 1: Yes, they My.

794
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:05,000
Speaker 3: People didn't see it like that. They thought I did

795
00:39:05,040 --> 00:39:08,560
Speaker 3: it for pr A lot of people thought, oh, she's

796
00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 3: not relevant anymore, and she's doing this and I'm like, guys,

797
00:39:13,600 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 3: trust me. That's if I wanted to do that, I

798
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 3: would have had better lighting. I would have you know,

799
00:39:21,719 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 3: I would have set it up right. I would have

800
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:27,200
Speaker 3: been in sexy lingerie. My facial expression would have been

801
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,120
Speaker 3: not what it was like, you know what I mean,

802
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:32,239
Speaker 3: it would it would have been completely different if I

803
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 3: really wanted to put that in your performance.

804
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, I like so, I just want you to know.

805
00:39:37,160 --> 00:39:39,480
Speaker 2: Africa is a big continent, right But there's a lot

806
00:39:39,520 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 2: of people watching this interview who might have never even

807
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 2: heard that story.

808
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:50,240
Speaker 1: But there's going to be a big google right now.

809
00:39:54,560 --> 00:39:55,360
Speaker 4: And they're gonna.

810
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 1: And you from God.

811
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 3: Not even denying it.

812
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 4: I just want the song too, so they listen to that.

813
00:40:14,400 --> 00:40:16,880
Speaker 4: Whatever happened to the Like, what was the end result

814
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 4: of that? Like, did you figure out who was trying

815
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:20,560
Speaker 4: to do the extortion? Were they?

816
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 3: Like?

817
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:21,400
Speaker 4: What?

818
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:24,600
Speaker 3: Now? I didn't. I never, I didn't. I didn't pursue it.

819
00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:30,240
Speaker 3: I never. We tried, actually, but yeah, we couldn't. And

820
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 3: me trying was just like it was just too traumatic

821
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 3: for me to keep talking about it. And just yeah,

822
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:38,719
Speaker 3: like I said, I just I just wanted to like,

823
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 3: just yeah, just move on.

824
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: From it happened to you, No, thank you. I think

825
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 1: it's also from Nigeria, so.

826
00:40:44,920 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 2: It's like it's very religious, and yeah, probably was a

827
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:49,960
Speaker 2: lot harder on you. Yo.

828
00:40:50,080 --> 00:40:53,560
Speaker 3: They were like, how can you? How can you at

829
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,160
Speaker 3: your age have a sex tape with someone? And I'm like,

830
00:40:57,280 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 3: first of all, I didn't even know, like you could

831
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 3: don't watch it, but I didn't know what was happening.

832
00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 3: And the person was my boyfriend at the time, so

833
00:41:09,160 --> 00:41:10,800
Speaker 3: even if I wanted to do a sexy that was

834
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 3: my boyfriend. Like, but they saw it as being immoral.

835
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 3: They thought it was just dirty, and I'm like, I

836
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:21,280
Speaker 3: know what some of you guys do is even worse

837
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 3: than this, But I I was a scapegoat and that

838
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 3: was that was painful for me. Man. It was really

839
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:31,879
Speaker 3: painful because they brought my son into it and said

840
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:35,160
Speaker 3: I was unfit mom, like my son, my son's going

841
00:41:35,200 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 3: to grow up and see this and he's going to

842
00:41:37,200 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 3: be disappointed in his mom and how can I do this?

843
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:43,160
Speaker 3: And my parents? I had to talk to my parents

844
00:41:43,200 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 3: about this, and yeah, it was it was that hurt

845
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 3: me more than the actual thing.

846
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 1: Wow.

847
00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, it hurt me more like you're you're you're saying

848
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 3: that I'm I'm a bad mother for having.

849
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 1: Sex with something that was out of your control.

850
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:03,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, like I mean, thank for my family. The first

851
00:42:03,320 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 3: thing my mom's my mom calls me and she's like,

852
00:42:07,280 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 3: I'm just happy you're again. In her own words, she's like,

853
00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:15,839
Speaker 3: don't listen to them more. I'm just happy that you're

854
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 3: enjoying yourself. And I was just like, yeah, just hearing

855
00:42:20,600 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 3: my mom say that.

856
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 4: Was just like did you know you?

857
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:28,120
Speaker 1: Did you know you was being recorded? So it wasn't

858
00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:31,840
Speaker 1: the guy that put it out, Oh my god.

859
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 3: Okay, So he said he was trying to save it

860
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 3: and then he pressed scent by accident on Snapchat.

861
00:42:38,200 --> 00:42:42,280
Speaker 1: And that sounded like forever the movie the TV show happened.

862
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:45,959
Speaker 4: Really there was a younger she was a younger girl though,

863
00:42:46,080 --> 00:42:48,920
Speaker 4: and she was giving herd and she was recorded and

864
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 4: he the video got released and she was like the

865
00:42:51,320 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 4: whole show. She's like fighting back again, like she had

866
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:54,920
Speaker 4: moved school.

867
00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, because the thing was next to each other apparently.

868
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,680
Speaker 3: So he said he was trying to save it. Showed

869
00:43:04,719 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 3: me later, but you didn't even tell Yeah, And then

870
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:11,640
Speaker 3: he's precedent by accident again, and I later on found

871
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:13,839
Speaker 3: out that it was a bet. It was that he

872
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,399
Speaker 3: really bet with his friends or whatever, and it's like, was.

873
00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:18,320
Speaker 1: He younger than you?

874
00:43:18,320 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 3: No?

875
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, because I have a theory I always teld

876
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:22,960
Speaker 2: women of a certain age, but lead these young boys

877
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:24,440
Speaker 2: along because they recording everything.

878
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 3: What yes, yeah, now I'm not going to anyone's hotel.

879
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 3: You're coming because you can have cameras hitting and then yeah,

880
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 3: and you're coming to my safe space. But yeah, even

881
00:43:33,400 --> 00:43:37,480
Speaker 3: that itself was traumatic because he was my boyfriend. I

882
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 3: thought we were in a relationship and then I'm here

883
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,799
Speaker 3: and later that it was a bet. M So did

884
00:43:44,840 --> 00:43:48,000
Speaker 3: you really like me? Or this was just planned from

885
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:48,800
Speaker 3: the beginning.

886
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, that that's got to be so scary for you,

887
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:54,719
Speaker 4: even because you're bigger as an artist even now yeah

888
00:43:54,880 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 4: now now now, yeah, you're looking at your phone, you're

889
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 4: putting your phone down. That's why it's just really hard,

890
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,839
Speaker 4: Like I'm not coming to your hotel to me, you're

891
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 4: coming to my place like or I'm getting a hotel

892
00:44:07,719 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 4: because I'm not bringing you around my son. So yeah, so.

893
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: More controversy.

894
00:44:14,480 --> 00:44:19,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just can't imagine being recorded on accident and leaking.

895
00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:21,120
Speaker 4: But okay, at.

896
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:22,239
Speaker 3: Least shaven.

897
00:44:24,640 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: Very important. It's very important. Yes, Oh is she brand?

898
00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 5: What we are not going to do that it was clean.

899
00:44:42,560 --> 00:44:45,839
Speaker 4: We had Ado here on the show. Oh god, well

900
00:44:45,880 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 4: he mentioned while he was here that you know that

901
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 4: you saw it. Yeah, what happened between you and t

902
00:44:52,719 --> 00:44:53,240
Speaker 4: R Savage?

903
00:44:53,280 --> 00:44:53,400
Speaker 1: Man?

904
00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 4: I know you all were like really really close, like

905
00:44:56,719 --> 00:44:57,600
Speaker 4: cool man.

906
00:44:57,719 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 6: Like I said, you know what I'm saying, even with

907
00:45:00,440 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 6: the big three questions you asked me.

908
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:02,239
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

909
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,480
Speaker 6: I remember when all of us you know what I'm

910
00:45:04,480 --> 00:45:06,560
Speaker 6: saying coming up together. You know what I'm saying to

911
00:45:06,560 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 6: me on t I you should stay in the same house.

912
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:10,919
Speaker 6: It's like my big sister, Like, you know what I'm saying,

913
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 6: she saw me as a youngin you know what I'm saying.

914
00:45:13,719 --> 00:45:16,040
Speaker 6: But the situation with t I was, you know, it

915
00:45:16,080 --> 00:45:17,080
Speaker 6: was like kind of personal.

916
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:17,759
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

917
00:45:17,840 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 6: She's she's very very good friends with my the mom

918
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:26,080
Speaker 6: and my daughter, my first daughter, which you know we

919
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:29,600
Speaker 6: were in court having custody and that. So I just

920
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 6: felt like, you know what I'm saying, you my you

921
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:34,800
Speaker 6: know what I'm saying, Help me, help me, my daughter

922
00:45:34,840 --> 00:45:36,719
Speaker 6: that type. So we just got a little argument. It

923
00:45:36,760 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 6: was nothing, you know what I'm saying. It was just

924
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 6: like brothers and sisters argument.

925
00:45:40,120 --> 00:45:40,239
Speaker 1: You know.

926
00:45:41,000 --> 00:45:43,440
Speaker 6: I haven't seen her since then, to be honest, but

927
00:45:43,520 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 6: she did reach out, and you know what I'm saying,

928
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,799
Speaker 6: So probably if it happens, it happens, and I know bad,

929
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,719
Speaker 6: but I love her. You know, I love her child

930
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:53,000
Speaker 6: and I saw him grow up. You know what I'm saying.

931
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 6: She's an amazing person. She changed the game for females.

932
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,240
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. She always have that respect.

933
00:45:58,360 --> 00:46:01,320
Speaker 6: You know, that's my sister. I would never let nothing happens.

934
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 6: She knows, you know what I'm saying.

935
00:46:03,480 --> 00:46:04,920
Speaker 1: What about wiz K? You love whiz Kid?

936
00:46:06,080 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 4: That is not That's not his system.

937
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,280
Speaker 1: I'm just asking. I love everybody.

938
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:12,879
Speaker 2: I do want to ask a question about the Big

939
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,680
Speaker 2: Three though, Like if they call they called Bernard or

940
00:46:14,680 --> 00:46:17,360
Speaker 2: Rebel and they talk about Whizky he has the mystique,

941
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 2: what is what's your lane in that in that Big Three? Man?

942
00:46:20,719 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 6: I'm Joseph.

943
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: I'm just me.

944
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,080
Speaker 4: I'm just me, Like I'm just.

945
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: Me, like a whirl. I like I used to work out.

946
00:46:31,960 --> 00:46:32,560
Speaker 1: That's what I thought.

947
00:46:32,600 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 6: Like people people, people know me as the outgoing guy. Yeah,

948
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,920
Speaker 6: I'm saying they you know, free, you know what I'm saying.

949
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:42,560
Speaker 6: I don't have that mistique or that rebel. You know

950
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 6: what I'm saying.

951
00:46:43,000 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 1: I can't act that way. I'm just me and people.

952
00:46:45,000 --> 00:46:47,560
Speaker 6: Some personal people be like, man, you're too free. You're

953
00:46:47,560 --> 00:46:49,280
Speaker 6: too free, so you don't you know you have superstar.

954
00:46:49,320 --> 00:46:53,040
Speaker 6: I'm like, bro, I've been listening. I'm going Disney two

955
00:46:53,120 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 6: years old. Like this does not Yeah, like I like

956
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 6: I always say, like if my dad walks in the woman, Like,

957
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:00,839
Speaker 6: if you're walking on the road, you know what I'm saying,

958
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 6: my dad passes you by, you probably would even know

959
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 6: like that dude, got better, dog, I'm telling you. So

960
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 6: that's how I grew up. My manager be getting mad

961
00:47:08,760 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 6: like I'd be in the house, I being slippers, like

962
00:47:12,280 --> 00:47:12,719
Speaker 6: going away.

963
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, bro, I'm home. You look good every time.

964
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying.

965
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:18,800
Speaker 1: But the people that are born.

966
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 6: Artists, that's just how they They're coming out their room

967
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,439
Speaker 6: like you know what I'm saying that people some people

968
00:47:25,480 --> 00:47:27,319
Speaker 6: are like that, you know what I'm saying, that's what

969
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:29,960
Speaker 6: works for them and to be honest, it's worked for them.

970
00:47:30,239 --> 00:47:30,879
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying.

971
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:32,839
Speaker 6: What's worked for me, it's worked for me, and what's

972
00:47:32,840 --> 00:47:35,239
Speaker 6: worked for them, you know, it's worked for them. Maybe

973
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 6: if they like free like me, you know, maybe they

974
00:47:38,160 --> 00:47:40,440
Speaker 6: wouldn't get what they have, you know what I'm saying. So,

975
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 6: and maybe the way I am is what has helped me.

976
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,279
Speaker 6: So it's just like everybody. I feel like every in

977
00:47:46,360 --> 00:47:48,960
Speaker 6: every industry, Like just like how you had the Big

978
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 6: Three back in the day with like jay Z. They

979
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:56,960
Speaker 6: were all different kind of people, d different kind of people.

980
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,360
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying, Drake Outside, you know what

981
00:47:59,400 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 6: I'm saying. Kendrick is like, you don't even know what

982
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:04,120
Speaker 6: that move is. So it's like they're different kind of

983
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,520
Speaker 6: people and right, and that's okay, you know what I'm saying,

984
00:48:06,560 --> 00:48:07,280
Speaker 6: That's okay.

985
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:09,600
Speaker 4: I saw you talk to Rolling Stone a bit about it,

986
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 4: about how you felt about it. Did you feel like

987
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:15,279
Speaker 4: because it seemed like he was sorry for whatever transpired

988
00:48:15,320 --> 00:48:17,800
Speaker 4: and that y'all were good? Now was that the feeling

989
00:48:17,800 --> 00:48:18,480
Speaker 4: you got from it?

990
00:48:18,760 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 3: Well, we haven't seen a spoken since, so, yeah, we haven't.

991
00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:27,000
Speaker 3: I haven't seen him since then spoken, But I again,

992
00:48:29,719 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 3: I want to say, I think it was a miscommunication,

993
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:38,600
Speaker 3: but there hasn't been any kind of communication between us.

994
00:48:38,920 --> 00:48:42,719
Speaker 3: But I definitely I was. I was hurt by how

995
00:48:42,760 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 3: it transpired. I mean, I don't know if he explained,

996
00:48:45,719 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 3: you know, what kind of happened.

997
00:48:48,440 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, but you can explain it from your point of view.

998
00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 3: So our kids are friends, and they've gone to the

999
00:48:55,120 --> 00:48:58,040
Speaker 3: same school since they were one. They're ten now, so

1000
00:48:58,040 --> 00:49:00,000
Speaker 3: they've gone to the same they've been in the same

1001
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 3: class for ten years. So I've now, I've known David

1002
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 3: before that, but I've naturally grown a relationship with the

1003
00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:15,600
Speaker 3: mother of their kid, and I didn't really know that,

1004
00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,080
Speaker 3: you know, there was issues. I mean, I know that

1005
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 3: he's moved on and he's married, you know whatever, but

1006
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:26,160
Speaker 3: I don't know what's going on apart from that, And

1007
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,040
Speaker 3: I guess I was. I was at an event and

1008
00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 3: she was too, so naturally like, hey, how are you

1009
00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:37,560
Speaker 3: We're a partying drinking, doing snap and whatever. And he

1010
00:49:37,640 --> 00:49:42,959
Speaker 3: saw that and he took it as I was betraying him,

1011
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:49,520
Speaker 3: and I'm like, what, how, Like, what's what's going on?

1012
00:49:49,600 --> 00:49:51,520
Speaker 3: And that's why I said, I think it was as

1013
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 3: miss misunderstanding, Like he felt like I knew what was happening,

1014
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 3: and I was on her side, and that that's not

1015
00:49:59,680 --> 00:50:01,880
Speaker 3: the case. Like, this is just a woman that I

1016
00:50:01,960 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 3: know who's the mother to my son's friend. And we

1017
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,920
Speaker 3: were a social gathering and I see him, were, you know, chilling, So,

1018
00:50:10,840 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 3: like I said, we haven't seen each other since. And

1019
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,480
Speaker 3: even if I did know, I don't think I would

1020
00:50:17,480 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 3: have chosen a side either, Like I don't think I'm

1021
00:50:21,239 --> 00:50:23,840
Speaker 3: going to be like, oh, because you guys are having issues,

1022
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:25,840
Speaker 3: I'm going to be on David's side. I'm going to

1023
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:28,680
Speaker 3: be on Sofia's side because our kids are friends and

1024
00:50:28,719 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 3: it's not my business to take sides, like yeah, just

1025
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:37,280
Speaker 3: like I don't want anyone to take sides with my situation.

1026
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:42,120
Speaker 3: It's between me and the father and my son. I

1027
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:44,920
Speaker 3: don't think anyone should be dragged into it. But again,

1028
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 3: he felt like I was. I should I should have

1029
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:52,320
Speaker 3: been loyal to him in that situation.

1030
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:55,160
Speaker 1: But how did that turn into you submitting a letter

1031
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:59,399
Speaker 1: to the police. If anything happened to me, it was him, So.

1032
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 3: I think out of anger, maybe he might have made threats.

1033
00:51:04,840 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 3: Do I think he was really gonna go ahead with it? No,

1034
00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:12,240
Speaker 3: But again I'm not taking any risks, like I feel

1035
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:14,880
Speaker 3: like you could. You could be saying it around people

1036
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 3: who want to now act out on what you're saying.

1037
00:51:18,640 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 3: Do you know what I'm saying? And you know how

1038
00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:23,799
Speaker 3: it is when your crew and his crew might end.

1039
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 3: It might not even be here and I directly might

1040
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:27,920
Speaker 3: be someone from my crew fighting his crew whatever, and

1041
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:32,080
Speaker 3: it escalates again. Before I did that, though, I reached

1042
00:51:32,120 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 3: out to members of his family. I'm not going to

1043
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,080
Speaker 3: say names, but people that are older than him, and

1044
00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 3: I said, listen, I'm hearing threats. Can we solve this?

1045
00:51:42,800 --> 00:51:46,439
Speaker 3: And none of them came back to me. In fact,

1046
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:48,040
Speaker 3: one of them was just like, do what you need

1047
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:53,000
Speaker 3: to do. I was like, cool, Like, just for the record,

1048
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 3: I want before I do anything, can we solve this?

1049
00:51:57,640 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 3: You know?

1050
00:51:58,040 --> 00:52:02,040
Speaker 2: And yeah, he said, you're like his big sister who

1051
00:52:02,040 --> 00:52:04,040
Speaker 2: will always love you and would never let anything better.

1052
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,000
Speaker 3: No, yeah, that's why I said, I do I think

1053
00:52:06,040 --> 00:52:07,839
Speaker 3: he was ever going to carry out No, I think

1054
00:52:07,880 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 3: he was just you know, David is such a joy

1055
00:52:10,520 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 3: like he's just a joyful no when I sort of

1056
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:17,040
Speaker 3: and he doesn't mean it so and I feel like

1057
00:52:17,080 --> 00:52:20,240
Speaker 3: that too. I feel like he is like a brother

1058
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:23,399
Speaker 3: to me, and that's why it and we haven't seen

1059
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 3: each other, and I'm sure it's going to be all love.

1060
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 3: It's definitely all love for me. And I want him

1061
00:52:29,040 --> 00:52:31,880
Speaker 3: to know I haven't spoken to you, David, but I

1062
00:52:31,880 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 3: do want you to know that I do love you

1063
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:35,880
Speaker 3: and I've never I would never betray you or like

1064
00:52:36,000 --> 00:52:38,399
Speaker 3: take sides. I just want you to know that I'm

1065
00:52:38,400 --> 00:52:40,920
Speaker 3: always putting our kids first. So and that's why I

1066
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:43,440
Speaker 3: just feel like I have to be respectful to the

1067
00:52:43,440 --> 00:52:44,240
Speaker 3: mother of a child.

1068
00:52:47,320 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 1: So why did you say the Big three?

1069
00:52:51,680 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 3: Oh my god, no no, no, no, no, no no,

1070
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:02,640
Speaker 3: So not fuck them life, but the narrative of the

1071
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 3: Big three? Yeah, Like, f that narrative because this is

1072
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:10,479
Speaker 3: a continent, This is so many artists, and we keep

1073
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:14,239
Speaker 3: reducing it to three three artists every single time. When

1074
00:53:14,280 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 3: we have diamonds, we have flavor, we have we have terms,

1075
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:23,400
Speaker 3: we have like the listen Rema like, yeah, I loves

1076
00:53:23,400 --> 00:53:26,560
Speaker 3: I'm like my right, yeah, and I'm like they're like

1077
00:53:26,920 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 3: and we don't include them in the top three. Why

1078
00:53:29,320 --> 00:53:31,240
Speaker 3: Like so I'm like, f that narrative.

1079
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you're right, it's like you hear burna boy.

1080
00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,160
Speaker 2: You hear with kids here, but for me and that

1081
00:53:37,239 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 2: I listen to a lot of listen to a lot

1082
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,640
Speaker 2: of teams, and I'm like, I don't know why it.

1083
00:53:41,719 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: Is just those three. Is it is it sales?

1084
00:53:44,640 --> 00:53:46,000
Speaker 4: Is it maybe?

1085
00:53:46,719 --> 00:53:48,720
Speaker 3: And I think they have a really strong fan base,

1086
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:52,919
Speaker 3: so their fan base is very They're they're active. Yeah,

1087
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:54,000
Speaker 3: they're very, very active.

1088
00:53:54,000 --> 00:53:56,680
Speaker 1: Even you you you got to be in that conversation.

1089
00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 4: As well, like I mean, you know what I see

1090
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:01,040
Speaker 4: people do lot and I don't know if you see

1091
00:54:01,080 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 4: this too. They put you, they put you in Tyler,

1092
00:54:05,400 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 4: Like there's a conversation a lot with you and Tyler.

1093
00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1094
00:54:09,280 --> 00:54:12,880
Speaker 4: I think, well, I think it's because if you're not

1095
00:54:12,920 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 4: from where you guys are from anybody that's like big

1096
00:54:15,040 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 4: from a certain type of music, people just like to

1097
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 4: talk about you guys. At one point, I saw conversations

1098
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:23,719
Speaker 4: with like Tims Tyler like just whoa who is the

1099
00:54:23,800 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 4: girl now? And then even when they had when we

1100
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:29,760
Speaker 4: were having the colors conversation, people were having conversations about

1101
00:54:29,920 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 4: dark skinned women from certain places being able to make

1102
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:33,879
Speaker 4: it versus lighter skinned women, and they got mad about

1103
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 4: the color of the comments. Like I've seen the conversation

1104
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:41,080
Speaker 4: around you guys, but more so, uh should you more

1105
00:54:41,160 --> 00:54:44,239
Speaker 4: so like a skin color thing. Really, Yes, I've seen

1106
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:44,720
Speaker 4: that conversation.

1107
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:45,200
Speaker 1: I've seen.

1108
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:51,960
Speaker 4: A star like You're like she she's kind of like

1109
00:54:52,160 --> 00:54:54,920
Speaker 4: you big up her a lot, right, Yeah, I love

1110
00:54:55,400 --> 00:54:58,840
Speaker 4: to see Yeah, I hate, not hate, but comparisons with you,

1111
00:54:58,880 --> 00:55:02,399
Speaker 4: Irish Star. Really well maybe because we've we've like I've

1112
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,960
Speaker 4: we're both. I was signed to Don Jazzy and she's

1113
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 4: with Don Jazzy now, and he's you know, anyone that has.

1114
00:55:09,120 --> 00:55:15,200
Speaker 3: Ever ever been under him? Pause but yeah, no, yeah,

1115
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 3: I don't want this to be taken out of context,

1116
00:55:19,480 --> 00:55:22,319
Speaker 3: but yeah, anyone who's ever been associated with him knows

1117
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 3: that he does not play that. So he yeah, he's

1118
00:55:26,040 --> 00:55:30,000
Speaker 3: yeah and just But I love her regardless anyway, And

1119
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:35,120
Speaker 3: I just have to respect his artists. But regardless of that,

1120
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 3: I love Ira.

1121
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:38,400
Speaker 4: I think too though in music, like whenever we were

1122
00:55:38,400 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 4: talking without this earlier with Kardi, whenever you get to

1123
00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:42,080
Speaker 4: a certain point, people just have to like there's that

1124
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,279
Speaker 4: competitive nature that comes in from the fans and just

1125
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:46,080
Speaker 4: the people in the critics, like it just happens.

1126
00:55:46,239 --> 00:55:48,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, But I feel like as artists we have the

1127
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:55,200
Speaker 3: opportunity to what's the word. Yeah, earlier on, like I

1128
00:55:55,239 --> 00:55:58,439
Speaker 3: saw that kind of coming with Ira, and I'm like, nah,

1129
00:55:58,480 --> 00:56:02,359
Speaker 3: you guys are not going to build this awkwardness between us.

1130
00:56:02,440 --> 00:56:06,640
Speaker 3: And I'm posting her, she's posting me. So the fans

1131
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 3: can't even they can't even kind of like build that

1132
00:56:10,200 --> 00:56:13,440
Speaker 3: narrative between the both of us, because earlier on we

1133
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,279
Speaker 3: were just like, yeah, let's get this conversation. This is

1134
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,080
Speaker 3: not even that it's not a topic.

1135
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:20,359
Speaker 4: I know you guys are from two different places, but

1136
00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:24,799
Speaker 4: when the colored conversation was happening with Tyler, from your perspective,

1137
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 4: how did you feel about the conversation and just how

1138
00:56:27,640 --> 00:56:29,200
Speaker 4: she handled in people's reaction to it.

1139
00:56:31,239 --> 00:56:42,359
Speaker 3: Who you guys are serious? Oh, I feel like two

1140
00:56:42,440 --> 00:56:45,640
Speaker 3: truths can be real. At the same time, I feel like,

1141
00:56:47,400 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 3: maybe I don't really know what the first thing she

1142
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 3: said was that sparked the whole conversation, But I do

1143
00:56:55,200 --> 00:56:58,360
Speaker 3: know that from where she's from, she's you know, she was.

1144
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 3: I think she she doesn't. She doesn't consider they don't

1145
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:05,160
Speaker 3: call her black, they call her color colored because she's

1146
00:57:05,320 --> 00:57:10,360
Speaker 3: because she's mixed. And I guess I get why that

1147
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:14,359
Speaker 3: would be such a huge thing here because of I mean,

1148
00:57:14,400 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 3: the history behind that name. You know, I don't know

1149
00:57:22,000 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 3: if I think I felt for her a little bit

1150
00:57:24,120 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 3: because I feel like she's young and I don't think

1151
00:57:28,800 --> 00:57:34,920
Speaker 3: she means to come across like that. But where we're from,

1152
00:57:35,000 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 3: where I'm from, when something like this happens, like they say,

1153
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 3: the elder will come and say it on behalf of

1154
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:43,840
Speaker 3: such and such, you apologize.

1155
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:44,160
Speaker 2: You know.

1156
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 3: That's what I feel like, if if if if that

1157
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:53,400
Speaker 3: wasn't if that wasn't communicated, I would I would like

1158
00:57:53,440 --> 00:57:58,120
Speaker 3: to say, you know, like on behalf of that her

1159
00:57:58,240 --> 00:58:01,640
Speaker 3: or whatever, like we apologize, like you know, we didn't

1160
00:58:01,680 --> 00:58:05,440
Speaker 3: mean it was, you know, because I don't think it

1161
00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 3: came from a bad place, you know what I mean,

1162
00:58:07,320 --> 00:58:08,680
Speaker 3: I don't think it came from a bad place.

1163
00:58:08,760 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 2: And they making it to me, they're making it bigger

1164
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:12,520
Speaker 2: than what it needs to be. I've heard her explain it,

1165
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,280
Speaker 2: and it makes perfect sense to me. When and then

1166
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 2: you know, recently she put out an album and it

1167
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 2: didn't do well and they were blaming the comments, and

1168
00:58:18,920 --> 00:58:20,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't think that.

1169
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:22,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, they were blaming you too, Charlamagne.

1170
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:23,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1171
00:58:25,440 --> 00:58:29,960
Speaker 4: Question, he always says, you got to know if you

1172
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 4: come to anywhere at that time when everyone's having that conversation,

1173
00:58:33,480 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 4: is going to be asked, And I think that they

1174
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,760
Speaker 4: should have prepared her to at least glide through the question.

1175
00:58:39,080 --> 00:58:41,240
Speaker 4: Like it was so like I'm not answering that, Like

1176
00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:43,840
Speaker 4: it made it a thing of like well why not? Yeah,

1177
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:46,840
Speaker 4: which she described it in Vogue right after that, and

1178
00:58:46,960 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 4: I was like, okay, girl, you could have just said that.

1179
00:58:49,400 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, but have you have you guys never earlier on

1180
00:58:52,200 --> 00:58:57,000
Speaker 3: in your career made maybe mistakes you guys?

1181
00:58:57,240 --> 00:59:00,600
Speaker 4: Ever he smelt, he smelled somebody's seats happened?

1182
00:59:02,480 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 1: Was it? No?

1183
00:59:04,680 --> 00:59:06,920
Speaker 3: Why because you wanted to smile? Was nice?

1184
00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:11,240
Speaker 1: It was?

1185
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 4: He's been done for a very no.

1186
00:59:14,400 --> 00:59:18,360
Speaker 3: But yeah, so I feel like she's learning. Yeah, she'll

1187
00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:20,680
Speaker 3: learned from that, and she'll know. She'll now know, like

1188
00:59:20,920 --> 00:59:23,840
Speaker 3: when I'm going to certain interviews, like, yeah, I guess,

1189
00:59:24,920 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 3: let me watch what type of interview is? Are they?

1190
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 3: You know, do they ask hard questions? And let me

1191
00:59:30,600 --> 00:59:32,959
Speaker 3: be prepared? Like you know, I think people do.

1192
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,720
Speaker 4: Don't when they're watching celebrities do the things that y'all

1193
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 4: do with interviews and stuff, you don't realize that her

1194
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 4: fans don't realize that you guys are people. So sometimes

1195
00:59:41,080 --> 00:59:43,040
Speaker 4: even if she's prepared to answer the question, she might

1196
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:45,520
Speaker 4: be nervous and still she's sitting with you know, you

1197
00:59:45,600 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 4: come here, you sit with like Charlotte Maye and he

1198
00:59:47,360 --> 00:59:48,080
Speaker 4: makes people nervous.

1199
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,320
Speaker 3: Was not prepared for you guys to ask me this.

1200
00:59:50,520 --> 00:59:56,520
Speaker 3: I'm like, no, no, no, I'm okay, yes, you're only

1201
00:59:56,520 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 3: your business.

1202
00:59:57,360 --> 00:59:58,200
Speaker 4: I'm really insure you.

1203
00:59:58,720 --> 00:59:58,960
Speaker 1: I do.

1204
00:59:59,040 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 2: I do want to know why do you think female

1205
01:00:01,120 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 2: Why do you think female African artists don't get in

1206
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 2: the Big three conversation?

1207
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:06,000
Speaker 1: Like why aren't they?

1208
01:00:06,280 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 3: I think culturally still women are not what's the word misogy? Yes, yes,

1209
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 3: so even culturally, not even just in music. For me,

1210
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:20,800
Speaker 3: I've said this before. When I got my tattoos, I

1211
01:00:20,840 --> 01:00:24,320
Speaker 3: was I was trending. I'm going to go to hell.

1212
01:00:24,680 --> 01:00:26,760
Speaker 3: You know what kind of mother am I? Nobody's going

1213
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:29,000
Speaker 3: to marry me with this. I'm never going to get

1214
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,720
Speaker 3: a day job. I'm like, yeah, I don't want to job.

1215
01:00:32,560 --> 01:00:35,520
Speaker 3: But you know, like male artists are covered in tattoos

1216
01:00:35,520 --> 01:00:38,280
Speaker 3: and they're like, yo, that's he's a rock star. So

1217
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 3: not just the music, just in general, women are still

1218
01:00:42,040 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 3: like undermind in my culture, so it's obviously going to

1219
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 3: trickle down into music.

1220
01:00:47,960 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 1: I feel like you do.

1221
01:00:48,840 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 2: Very well with a podcast, I really, really really because

1222
01:00:52,680 --> 01:00:54,720
Speaker 2: I saw you say how you had to sneak away

1223
01:00:54,720 --> 01:00:56,720
Speaker 2: from your team because you wanted to be more out spoken,

1224
01:00:56,760 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 2: and oh.

1225
01:00:57,440 --> 01:01:01,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I cursed him out. What No, there was a

1226
01:01:01,520 --> 01:01:05,560
Speaker 3: guy and he said Tia does not support female artists

1227
01:01:05,600 --> 01:01:08,880
Speaker 3: and she's not signed a female artist and what kind

1228
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:12,960
Speaker 3: of legacy is that? And I said, what are you crazy? Like,

1229
01:01:13,760 --> 01:01:15,480
Speaker 3: first of all, I don't have I don't have a

1230
01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:18,400
Speaker 3: problem with you having an opinion, but at least do

1231
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:21,840
Speaker 3: your research. No one has done in terms of females.

1232
01:01:21,880 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 3: No one has done more songs with females than me,

1233
01:01:25,000 --> 01:01:28,720
Speaker 3: like literally either me featuring them or then featuring me.

1234
01:01:29,120 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 3: So you coming on and saying I don't support females,

1235
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 3: that's already wrong, and you have such a huge platform,

1236
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:36,960
Speaker 3: and people were believing that instead of doing the research,

1237
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 3: they're just like, yeah, it's true. And I'm like, wait,

1238
01:01:39,360 --> 01:01:41,080
Speaker 3: how many of the songs that I've even done with

1239
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 3: female arts have you guys even promoted Let's start with that, Like,

1240
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:47,400
Speaker 3: so you're not even encouraging us to even work with

1241
01:01:47,440 --> 01:01:51,120
Speaker 3: each other because you act like you don't see us.

1242
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:56,000
Speaker 3: So I'm very as much as I'm reserved, I can

1243
01:01:56,400 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 3: like I don't. Yeah, I'm not scared of no one,

1244
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:03,560
Speaker 3: and I would say any like yes, and if I'm convicted,

1245
01:02:03,640 --> 01:02:07,120
Speaker 3: if I'm convicted that I'm saying the truth, my truth. Yeah,

1246
01:02:07,160 --> 01:02:08,960
Speaker 3: you can't tell me nothing. I was cussing them out

1247
01:02:09,000 --> 01:02:09,680
Speaker 3: in my language.

1248
01:02:09,720 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 1: And that's why I want you to have a podcast.

1249
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:12,160
Speaker 1: I think it would be very good.

1250
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 2: I think people should be able to ask you questions

1251
01:02:13,680 --> 01:02:16,360
Speaker 2: because you have a level of experience, a level.

1252
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:21,959
Speaker 3: Of we feel to the they're always nervous every time

1253
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:25,480
Speaker 3: I go on because this I would trend force something you.

1254
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:29,640
Speaker 4: Always tell me how to like do it and making mistakes. Listen,

1255
01:02:29,680 --> 01:02:31,240
Speaker 4: if you're on a platform, you will make them, but

1256
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 4: you will learn how to do it in a way

1257
01:02:32,400 --> 01:02:35,240
Speaker 4: that is like beneficial but like still authentic to you.

1258
01:02:35,360 --> 01:02:36,640
Speaker 3: And I think I'll ever share that.

1259
01:02:37,160 --> 01:02:43,840
Speaker 4: That's great you home to day. You have to have

1260
01:02:43,840 --> 01:02:46,000
Speaker 4: already know I was talking way too.

1261
01:02:46,440 --> 01:02:48,920
Speaker 2: That's why I can tell, like, everything you're saying is

1262
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:52,360
Speaker 2: all the reasons you should have a podcast.

1263
01:02:53,000 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's even the streaming thing is getting big like,

1264
01:02:55,560 --> 01:02:58,440
Speaker 3: but the podcast, Yeah, but I I yeah, I make

1265
01:02:58,480 --> 01:03:01,720
Speaker 3: them nervous, man, Like even the whole thing you asked

1266
01:03:01,720 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 3: me about Tyler and David, I already know this is

1267
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:10,120
Speaker 3: I always think so I always think I'm very honest,

1268
01:03:10,200 --> 01:03:15,040
Speaker 3: and even even me talking about the relationship and being

1269
01:03:15,080 --> 01:03:16,920
Speaker 3: in a room or whatever, and a lot of people

1270
01:03:17,160 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 3: were like, I was oversharing and I'm saying too much.

1271
01:03:21,840 --> 01:03:23,960
Speaker 3: And they're even saying that you're doing this because you

1272
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:27,360
Speaker 3: want to promote your album, and I'm just like, I

1273
01:03:27,400 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 3: don't even know how to lie. If I knew how

1274
01:03:29,440 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 3: to lie or lie about my age when I first

1275
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:35,160
Speaker 3: came out, because I could have easily done that or

1276
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:38,280
Speaker 3: just lied about the whole situation or just created a

1277
01:03:38,280 --> 01:03:41,040
Speaker 3: whole scenario. But my problem is I'll go to another

1278
01:03:41,080 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 3: interview and I'll forget what I said and I kid

1279
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:45,439
Speaker 3: just said he's a doctor, and I'll be like, oh, yeah,

1280
01:03:45,440 --> 01:03:48,240
Speaker 3: he's a basketball player, and I'll just trip myself, like.

1281
01:03:49,360 --> 01:03:52,000
Speaker 2: Say, you should never lie because when you lie, you

1282
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:53,920
Speaker 2: when you tell the truth, you don't ever have to remember.

1283
01:03:53,680 --> 01:03:54,160
Speaker 1: What you said.

1284
01:03:54,440 --> 01:03:58,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know how to not share the truth

1285
01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:02,440
Speaker 3: or just be so honest. Oh that gets me in

1286
01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:03,280
Speaker 3: trouble a lot.

1287
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 4: I think you're allowed to talk about like your mom

1288
01:04:06,120 --> 01:04:09,520
Speaker 4: and you went through divorced relationship. You know this this

1289
01:04:09,720 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 4: sex tape stuff. Music, you could be like a tunnel

1290
01:04:12,960 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 4: and you to have your lady.

1291
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:16,720
Speaker 3: That's what I tried to do with the sex tape.

1292
01:04:16,720 --> 01:04:19,480
Speaker 3: So I had an interview and I had just gotten

1293
01:04:19,560 --> 01:04:21,680
Speaker 3: the video and then I was Angie Martinez. Yes. So

1294
01:04:21,760 --> 01:04:24,280
Speaker 3: I was going there to promote a song and I'm like,

1295
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Speaker 3: I'm just gonna say what is and my everyone was like, no,

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Speaker 3: you cannot. And I went there and I said it

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Speaker 3: and then they released it anyway, and I'm like, before

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Speaker 3: you embarrassed me or think that you're gonna get one

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Speaker 3: on me, I'm just gonna go on there and say listen,

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Speaker 3: was gonna come out and they're threatening me and I'm thinking,

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Speaker 3: I'm controlling my narrative, and then it backfires on me

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Speaker 3: because they now said I did it on purpose.

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Speaker 4: It's just to be mad at that, because at the

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Speaker 4: same time, whenever the sex tape conversation comes up, people

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Speaker 4: point to that interview, your explanation of it. So it

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Speaker 4: did control the narrative, like you got to learn the

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Speaker 4: high level winds and can't be down here with all

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Speaker 4: the low level Yeah yeah you entertainment.

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Speaker 3: Yes, okay, no, well no I don't but yeah, it's

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Speaker 3: still kind of there, but it's not it's not.

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Speaker 4: Very great for you to break artists through as well.

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Speaker 4: I think you should do it.

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Speaker 3: I don't think I have I don't think Okay, let

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Speaker 3: me just clear this out. It's not that I don't

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Speaker 3: want to help, but I don't think everybody's cut out

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Speaker 3: to sign artists, especially as an artist. Because you've seen

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Speaker 3: some artists. I'm not going to mention the name they've

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Speaker 3: signed other artists and what's happened to them. Yeah, because

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Speaker 3: there's still that competition is still not to say that

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Speaker 3: I'm in I'm going to be in competition, but I

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Speaker 3: don't have that mindset. I don't have that that heart

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Speaker 3: where I could wake up and my artists could be

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Speaker 3: trending about something and I would be heartbroken. I wondn't

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Speaker 3: be able to control it because I'm like what I

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Speaker 3: feel like the way I can give back is by

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Speaker 3: I'm opening a music school. So yeah, I'm partnering with

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Speaker 3: Berkeley College of Music. I'm going to also start with

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Speaker 3: like awarding scholarships to African students to come all the

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Speaker 3: way to Boston learn music, because I think like everybody

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Speaker 3: gets stuck on artists. But there's so many other parts

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Speaker 3: of music. There's music therapy to help you know when

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Speaker 3: you have canter patients, and you know, there's film scoring,

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Speaker 3: like creating music for movies. There's music education. So yeah,

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Speaker 3: so there's other parts of it. So that's my way

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Speaker 3: of helping people. I don't have the I don't have

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Speaker 3: the gift to sign other artists, but I can give

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Speaker 3: back in.

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Speaker 2: That way that is you are very that's a very

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Speaker 2: self aware thing to say, yeah, and I can't.

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Speaker 3: I can't do it, like and not everybody can do that,

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Speaker 3: and they'll be very selfish of me to sign somebody

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Speaker 3: else that I feel like, if I want to sign

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Speaker 3: somebody else, I need to be out of the game. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: because I'm going to be like you releasing something, and

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Speaker 3: you're releasing something. Even if I say there's no competition,

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Speaker 3: they still will be a little bit. So I'm not

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Speaker 3: I'm not there yet.

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Speaker 2: Wow, my last quar No, I understand I like this

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Speaker 2: stelf aware because there's a lot of people that are

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Speaker 2: coming to my mind right now, and I'm like, I

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Speaker 2: wish they took that advice.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of American artists. I'm like, you know what, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there's one in particular saying it.

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Speaker 3: J No, you don't think he should have signed.

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think I think it was good that

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Speaker 2: he did because he introduced us to a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: But I feel like he had the best roster of

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Speaker 2: artists of any of of the artists of those of

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Speaker 2: that new generation. He had Harry Lennox, Earth Gang and

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Speaker 2: Jed and it's just like, yeah, and I feel like

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Speaker 2: him being as big as he was, I don't know,

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Speaker 2: I just felt like he could have just made all

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Speaker 2: of them bigger, you know. I just felt like Dreamville

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Speaker 2: could have been a lot, lot, a lot bigger.

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Speaker 1: And I've heard recently that he feels the same way that. Really,

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Speaker 1: I could be completely wrong, I could just making it,

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Speaker 1: but that's what I've heard. That's why, that's why they disbanded.

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Speaker 4: What you just did there where you got him to

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Speaker 4: have a conversation and now that's going to be a

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Speaker 4: clip and people are going to be discussing that your

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Speaker 4: podcast will go off. Girl, Yeah, maybe maybe you guys

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Speaker 4: should invite me more off and and maybe have me

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Speaker 4: speak or we.

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Speaker 2: Could just launch the Tear or Savage podcast on the

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Speaker 2: Black Effect Podcast.

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Speaker 3: Now yeah, no, one hundred percent. I would Oh my god,

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Speaker 3: that would be sick, I think. So we're saying this

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Speaker 3: on air, like, don't you think this is one of

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Speaker 3: the things that should go out that you guys should

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Speaker 3: you should cut out?

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Speaker 2: My last question, what do you hope your listeners take

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Speaker 2: away from this album emotionally, spiritually and in terms of healing.

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Speaker 3: I would love them to listen to it from start

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01:08:45,000 --> 01:08:48,799
Speaker 3: to finish, not like shuffle it and go on the journey,

1385
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:54,919
Speaker 3: and know that I went through I went through heartache

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Speaker 3: where it felt like a disease, like to minimize you know,

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Speaker 3: a lot of people people say it's just a heartache,

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Speaker 3: it's not like you've got cancer or whatever, and it's like, yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's not, but it can feel like the end of

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Speaker 3: the world. So I want them to know that they're

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Speaker 3: whatever they're going through is valid, and but also listen

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Speaker 3: to it to the end and know that you can

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Speaker 3: get through it and you can heal. And that last

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Speaker 3: song changed, you know. That's why I say listen to

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01:09:25,600 --> 01:09:27,880
Speaker 3: it like, you know, like a journey of emotions and

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Speaker 3: know that at the end of the day, everything does

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Speaker 3: work out and and it will work out. It has

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Speaker 3: to work out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well it's t y savage.

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Speaker 1: Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for joining us the conversation.

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Speaker 1: It's the breakfast Club, every day Breakfast Club. Feels y'all done.