WEBVTT - CLASSIC: Real Life Super Powers Part II

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the show, fellow conspiracy realist. This evening, we're

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<v Speaker 1>returning to you with a very oh gosh, oh Matt,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm always just so fascinated by this one. Real life superpowers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we've all dreamt about it. We've been thinking about

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<v Speaker 2>it since we picked up that first comic book. What

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<v Speaker 2>if any of this could really be true? It? Could

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<v Speaker 2>I do it?

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<v Speaker 1>Literally? Any of it like a picture? You know, some

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<v Speaker 1>not all X Men have the same level of powers

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<v Speaker 1>in the Marvel universe. There are Omega level mutants, and

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<v Speaker 1>there's everybody else. But even like the nerdiest X Man

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<v Speaker 1>like Cipher, who just knows every language, even that's really

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<v Speaker 1>cool power. So for quite some time you and I

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<v Speaker 1>were were just compelled to look through all the reports

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<v Speaker 1>of extraordinary abilities across the real world and determine whether

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<v Speaker 1>or not any of them are true.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, could there be a real life night Crawler? And

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<v Speaker 2>could he be me?

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<v Speaker 1>And does he BAMF? Does he BAF? Is the question?

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<v Speaker 1>What does the band?

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<v Speaker 2>Does that mean?

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<v Speaker 1>BAMF is the automotive pya, it's the it's the sound

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<v Speaker 1>effect when night Crawler teleports, it's BAF BAMF.

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<v Speaker 2>So unfamiliar with with all these like terms you know

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<v Speaker 2>that are used. I thought I really thought it was

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<v Speaker 2>just some kind of slang term. I didn't understand it.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just a weird Twitter acronym. Well, at this point,

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<v Speaker 1>this is coming to us from twenty eighteen as the

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<v Speaker 1>humans reckon the calendar. So tune in, let us know

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<v Speaker 1>what you think, and then let us know what sound

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<v Speaker 1>effect your superpower would have. From UFOs to psychic powers

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<v Speaker 1>and government conspiracies, history is riddled with unexplained events. You

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<v Speaker 1>can turn back now or learn this stuff they don't

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<v Speaker 1>want you to know.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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<v Speaker 2>my name is Noman.

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<v Speaker 1>They call me Ben. We are joined with our super

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<v Speaker 1>producer Paul Deckett. Most importantly, you are here, and that

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<v Speaker 1>makes this stuff they don't want you to know. A

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<v Speaker 1>sequel episode to an episode that I think we all

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<v Speaker 1>enjoyed much earlier when we did it for the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>How long ago was that.

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<v Speaker 3>I was gonna ask the same thing? A couple of.

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<v Speaker 1>Years, It seems like it was a while back. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it was our episode on real life Superpowers. Now, as

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<v Speaker 1>we live in the age of superhero movies, the comic

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<v Speaker 1>book movie renaissance, you could call it. We know that

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<v Speaker 1>more and more people are familiar with the concept of

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<v Speaker 1>the extraordinary abilities that we call superpowers, and there are

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<v Speaker 1>a few that even if you hate Marvel and DC

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<v Speaker 1>movies and comic books in general, there are a few

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<v Speaker 1>of these abilities that are totally familiar to everyone, like

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<v Speaker 1>flying without the need of a plane, a helicopter, a

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<v Speaker 1>glider or so on. Right, that's that's one of the

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<v Speaker 1>oldest ones, right, absolute even in ancient myths, gods can fly.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, I've never thought about this until now, but

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<v Speaker 3>since most of the superheroes that fly don't have any

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<v Speaker 3>kind of wing structure support, I conjecture that it is

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<v Speaker 3>a psychic based ability. It is almost like a telekinetic

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<v Speaker 3>ability control themselves.

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<v Speaker 2>Right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's absolutely right, because I went through a phase

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<v Speaker 1>a while back when I would ask people what three

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<v Speaker 1>superpowers they could have, and I think we've all had

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<v Speaker 1>this conversation off air.

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<v Speaker 3>I think we did in the last Superpowers episode.

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<v Speaker 1>We probably did. Yeah, And that's flying is one that

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<v Speaker 1>people don't think through all the way because flying sounds

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<v Speaker 1>cool unless it's a physical thing like swimming. Because if

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<v Speaker 1>you can just because you can swim doesn't mean you

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<v Speaker 1>can swim across town. It would have to be something

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<v Speaker 1>that doesn't exert muscle energy.

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<v Speaker 2>That's true.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think that tele kinesis now would fold a

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<v Speaker 3>lot of things into itself. Right, tell kinesis you could

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<v Speaker 3>make yourself fly and then you have that one checked

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<v Speaker 3>off the list, and you could also, you know, throw

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<v Speaker 3>knives at people in the air.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I disagree on both counts. Guys. All you have

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<v Speaker 2>to do is master the matrix, and once you've got

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<v Speaker 2>that down, you can do anything.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's just bending the code.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you take the red pillar? The blue pill?

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<v Speaker 2>The red pill? Dude?

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<v Speaker 3>You know that's like a weird like neo Nazi thing

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<v Speaker 3>getting red pilled.

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<v Speaker 1>It gets a massage. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>It stands for a lot of things now.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but specifically I heard that it was sort of

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<v Speaker 3>like a way the alt right are able to explain

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<v Speaker 3>the way they started believing that the Jewish people controlled

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<v Speaker 3>the universe.

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<v Speaker 1>It also stands for the in cell stuff, the involuntarily

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<v Speaker 1>celibate movement.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I take the red pill for other reasons, all

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<v Speaker 2>you groups out there, and it has to do with

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<v Speaker 2>the matrix.

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<v Speaker 1>The original reason. Yeah, talk about being misused, but the

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<v Speaker 1>writers of the Matrix are pissed about that. One. Another

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<v Speaker 1>skill that people are familiar with would be the idea

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<v Speaker 1>of extraordinary strength. As we explained in the last episode

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<v Speaker 1>on real life superpowers, these come in these strength. Powers

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<v Speaker 1>come in two real life variations. The first is hysterical strength,

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<v Speaker 1>which is a real thing. A parent sees their child

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<v Speaker 1>run over by a car with a heavy weight on them,

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<v Speaker 1>and they are able to in a way that does

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<v Speaker 1>damage them. They are able to temporarily lift much more

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<v Speaker 1>weight than they could normally. The second, and perhaps more

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<v Speaker 1>disturbing one is a genetic mutation that's been found in

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<v Speaker 1>to date one cow and one boy in Europe, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's a mutation that removes the limits on their ability

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<v Speaker 1>to build muscle mass. And these are just a few

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<v Speaker 1>of the powers we covered in our previous episode. Each

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<v Speaker 1>each case in that episode and in this one, each

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<v Speaker 1>of these cases have been scientifically verified. And while no

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<v Speaker 1>one can fly unaided yet, our species is capable of

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<v Speaker 1>some pretty amazing things, and so many in fact, that

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<v Speaker 1>we decided to do this long awaited sequel because we

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<v Speaker 1>found powers that didn't make it into the first episode.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have not checked out Real Life Superpowers Part one.

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<v Speaker 1>Please go ahead and do so now because you will

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<v Speaker 1>want the context to this, and honestly, you won't want

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<v Speaker 1>to miss the first powers we discovered in that one,

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<v Speaker 1>because these other powers are a little different. So go

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<v Speaker 1>ahead and pause this now, give that one a listen

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<v Speaker 1>and come back. We'll wait.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, you're done listening to the Avengers episode. Cool?

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<v Speaker 3>Good The Avengers.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's that. Last episode is basically the Avengers.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, We've got a supersite, super strength.

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<v Speaker 2>Temperature, and regulation.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's always my fair massive endurance. So those are

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<v Speaker 1>the Avenger level powers. This one is maybe for fans

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<v Speaker 1>of comic books out there, and please write to us

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<v Speaker 1>and let me know if you get this reference. This

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<v Speaker 1>is more the Great Lakes Avengers episode to deep cut.

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<v Speaker 1>You can also google Great Lakes Avengers if you want

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<v Speaker 1>to chuckle.

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<v Speaker 3>I can kind of put it together in my head.

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<v Speaker 3>Is it sort of just like the workaday Joe Avengers

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<v Speaker 3>kind of like doing their stuff out words?

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<v Speaker 2>No, No, this is a this is a superhero team.

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<v Speaker 1>It's their job.

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<v Speaker 3>But they're out in the Great Lakes, so I'm picture

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<v Speaker 3>of them being like good old Salt of the Earth

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<v Speaker 3>types you know, perhaps.

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<v Speaker 1>I like where's at but you gotta you gotta check those.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you will enjoy reading about Great Lakes.

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<v Speaker 2>I look forward to it. Not too many spoilers, but

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<v Speaker 2>definitely search the thing that Ben told me to search,

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<v Speaker 2>which is doormn one one word door man.

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<v Speaker 3>Is he literally a door man like an hotel?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I don't. I don't want to spoil it for

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<v Speaker 1>the listeners, so I'm not going to say it on air,

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<v Speaker 1>but I think everybody writes in will will enjoy the

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<v Speaker 1>Google search.

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<v Speaker 3>How have I not heard of this? Is this like

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<v Speaker 3>a parody? No, it's a real thing.

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<v Speaker 1>But I get I'm not going to I'm looking at

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<v Speaker 1>it right now and it's yeah, please, we'll check this out. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>let's see if it Let's see if it's a correct comparison.

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<v Speaker 1>So here are the facts. Most of those extraordinary abilities

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<v Speaker 1>that we discussed today fall into a few distinct categories.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, first, you got the kind of what we spoke

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<v Speaker 2>about before, some kind of genetic mutation that allows the

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<v Speaker 2>human body, for one reason or another, from some small

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<v Speaker 2>change at the genetic level to allow just a tiny,

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<v Speaker 2>a minuscule amount of human beings on the planet to

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<v Speaker 2>do something greater than we usually could. We're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>what people who can see colors. Most people can't see

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<v Speaker 2>tetrachromats exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>That one the kind of the opposite of being colored

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<v Speaker 1>efficient or color blind. They're all women due to the

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<v Speaker 1>way the genetic expression works, and they can see way

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<v Speaker 1>more colors than we will ever ever get to see.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, can't even fathom them. Even if you're looking at

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<v Speaker 2>one of those massive color wheels, it's not on there.

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<v Speaker 1>They can also determine imperfections in colors that we would

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<v Speaker 1>otherwise think are the same. So, if anything, it's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of an irritating superpowerful. Can you imagine being a tetrachromat

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<v Speaker 1>and trying to paint your house?

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<v Speaker 2>Ooh yeah, that'd be crazy.

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<v Speaker 1>And so Second, and this is good news for a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of us listening here. Second, there are learned superpowers,

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<v Speaker 1>such as people with blindness who have learned to practice echolocation.

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<v Speaker 1>We all know what echolocation is, right, It's like how

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of bats get around, or dolphins, dolphins more particularly, right.

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<v Speaker 1>I think dolphin would be the more correct use of it,

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't it.

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<v Speaker 2>I know bats are right up in there.

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<v Speaker 1>And so are a couple of people who have gone

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<v Speaker 1>full on daredevil in. And then there are people like

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<v Speaker 1>you mentioned in the beginning, Matt, people who have learned

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<v Speaker 1>to control otherwise involuntary bodily functions through meditation.

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<v Speaker 2>That's pretty awesome. It's kind of like the matrix.

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<v Speaker 1>It is kind of like the matrix.

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<v Speaker 3>It is.

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<v Speaker 1>And there's one there's a thing that I thought would

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<v Speaker 1>interest you particularly, knowl There's a fascinating audio file that

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<v Speaker 1>we will get to later in today's show. It's it's weird.

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<v Speaker 3>I can't wait.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't even know if it's useful, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's cool. I think I think we'll all like it.

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<v Speaker 2>Not fil e as in an audio file at Phil right.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, he can make audio files with his head,

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<v Speaker 1>which would actually be incredibly useful for us.

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<v Speaker 3>He's got like a little USB drive right at his

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<v Speaker 3>temple and he just pops in a stick and then hands.

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<v Speaker 2>It to you. Forty eight K waves whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, uh nerds. But third, there are there are people

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<v Speaker 1>who have already acquired certain extraordinary abilities through kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the Iron Man Batman route. They've used technology, or what's

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<v Speaker 1>known as wetwear biohacking, to give themselves a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>extra things that you would not ordinarily have as a

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<v Speaker 1>member of this species. And this is interesting, this third one,

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<v Speaker 1>because this technology and biohacking, coupled with genetic research, forms

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<v Speaker 1>the basis of current superpower research. And without spoiling things

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<v Speaker 1>just yet, we're going to end by looking at the

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<v Speaker 1>future in this episode, So stay tuned because we want

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<v Speaker 1>to hear what you think about some of the strange

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<v Speaker 1>and I think earlier we described as potentially huge, but

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<v Speaker 1>I'll just I'll say what it is, potentially catastrophic changes. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there's just a couple of decades out from now. So

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<v Speaker 1>enough preface, right, let's get to the powers. That's why

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<v Speaker 1>we're all here. We'll briefly describe them and we'll follow

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<v Speaker 1>up with some speculation on their usefulness.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, some of them are more usable than others. So

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<v Speaker 2>what's first, Ben.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's where it gets crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, oh, that should always be first.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it's a little I think it's weird because it's

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<v Speaker 1>a little early in the episode. Right, So super throws,

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<v Speaker 1>super throwing. We've all thrown stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, most of us. You can huck a I don't know,

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<v Speaker 2>a cantalope fairly far, which is difficult to do because

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<v Speaker 2>my hand isn't big enough to palm a cantelope. But

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<v Speaker 2>it's fun to attempt to throw in really far after

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<v Speaker 2>it's gone bad.

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<v Speaker 3>You've got above average sized hands, I would say, Man, really, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>oh thanks dude, and a problem.

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<v Speaker 2>Man, Can I be your lawyer?

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<v Speaker 1>That's worth it? That's worth it. God, that character is

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<v Speaker 1>so creepy, but I love them, I know.

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<v Speaker 3>So who are you talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about Charlie's uncle in Always Sunny. Yes, yes, yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it's very worried about the size of his hands and

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<v Speaker 1>what qualifies as art. Oh boy, So this super throwing

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a thing. Some people will tell you it is.

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<v Speaker 1>And it all goes back to polydactly, which is the

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<v Speaker 1>fancy word for being born with extra digits or one

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<v Speaker 1>extra digit on your hand or.

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<v Speaker 2>On your feet, fingers and or toes.

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<v Speaker 1>Fingers and toes. Yeah, not like a little baby hand

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<v Speaker 1>growing out of your regular hand. And so it's the

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<v Speaker 1>second most common congenital hand disorder. And what we're talking

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<v Speaker 1>about specifically is something called radial polydactyle. So, for everyone

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<v Speaker 1>who's seen our new logo, what you're gonna tell people

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<v Speaker 1>do it? No, we shouldn't spoil the beans. No, it's

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<v Speaker 1>too late. We've said too much. Spoil the beans. Spoil

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<v Speaker 1>the beans, spoil the beans. I like it. So this

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<v Speaker 1>this radial polydactyle stuff one in every three thousand live berths.

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<v Speaker 1>And when this occurs, you'll see something where it looks

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<v Speaker 1>like someone has an extra pinky maybe or even more

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<v Speaker 1>extra digits, And.

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<v Speaker 2>So it goes off that side of the hand, not

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<v Speaker 2>not on the side of the thumb, off the.

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<v Speaker 1>It can go okay either way. But but the thing

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<v Speaker 1>that's crazy about it is that many, many more people

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<v Speaker 1>have been born with this condition than you might imagine.

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<v Speaker 1>Often people when they're when they're born with extra tiny

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<v Speaker 1>fingers or something, there's no way for the doctors to

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<v Speaker 1>tell whether those are going to be functional later in

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<v Speaker 1>life or just awkward looking, so you kind of have

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<v Speaker 1>to just wait. So well, often they get cut off

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<v Speaker 1>at birth. Oh so it's quite possible that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>some of us listening may have been born with that

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<v Speaker 1>condition and the doctor just snipped off that extra thumb jeez,

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<v Speaker 1>because they didn't know if it was going to be

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<v Speaker 1>just hanging around.

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<v Speaker 3>You wouldn't leave a mark, though, some kind of telltale sign, right.

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<v Speaker 1>Good question. Look, would it leave a line of a

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<v Speaker 1>scar right here along the base of your hands under

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<v Speaker 1>your pinky. The thing is it would have that cut

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<v Speaker 1>would have occurred so early that the scar would become imperceptible.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, it's kind of cool. There's a lot of

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<v Speaker 3>stuff in folklore and various cultures from around the world

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<v Speaker 3>about how extra digits and toes are actually a sign

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<v Speaker 3>of some kind of providence. I suppose, like, like you know,

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<v Speaker 3>they're have a red places saying that Atam, you know

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<v Speaker 3>of Adam and Eve fame who possibly had six fingers,

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<v Speaker 3>And in the Chaco Canyon area of New Mexico, the

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<v Speaker 3>ancient Pueblo culture have all kinds of cave paintings of

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<v Speaker 3>six fingers and six toad sandals and things like that.

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<v Speaker 3>And it's this polydactyle has been considered to be revered

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<v Speaker 3>as some kind of great prophet or some kind of

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<v Speaker 3>great warrior, or some kind of imbued with some kind

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<v Speaker 3>of power.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's considered auspicious. The highest rate of occurrence is

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<v Speaker 1>in the Indian subcontinent, But if you think about it,

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<v Speaker 1>one out of three thousand people is pretty common as

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<v Speaker 1>far as these sorts of conditions go. And this means

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<v Speaker 1>that most cultures through antiquity would have been familiar with it.

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<v Speaker 1>In some cultures it was seen as a sign of

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<v Speaker 1>the devil or demonic origin, but in other cultures it

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<v Speaker 1>was seen as a very very auspicious thing. In the

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<v Speaker 1>case of Antonio Alfonseca, it was a weird piece of

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<v Speaker 1>trivia that always got included with descriptions of his career

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<v Speaker 1>as a baseball pitcher. You see, Antonio was born with

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<v Speaker 1>six fingers on each hand and six toes on each foot.

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<v Speaker 1>He had a great sinker, the type of pitch who

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<v Speaker 1>was known for his teammates called him el Bulpo or

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<v Speaker 1>the polpo, the octopus, and he was he was uh.

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<v Speaker 1>It was called this because of his six fingers on

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<v Speaker 1>each hand. And yes, we know that's not technically correct,

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<v Speaker 1>that's twelve digits. But he did not have these removed

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<v Speaker 1>at birth, unlike a lot of other people. And so

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<v Speaker 1>when he was pitching, people began to credit his pitching

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<v Speaker 1>ability to some sort of perceived better grip on the ball.

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<v Speaker 2>Interesting and certainly be different than the standard, sure, sure.

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<v Speaker 1>But then also we could say the same thing about

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<v Speaker 1>someone who sit friends since had fused fingers and only

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<v Speaker 1>had three fingers, right, they would have a different grip

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<v Speaker 1>as well. But the problem is that his extra digit

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<v Speaker 1>was if you look at it, it's kind of an

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<v Speaker 1>extra pinky and it didn't seem to at least from

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<v Speaker 1>what he said, it didn't seem to come into contact

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<v Speaker 1>with the ball when he's actually holding it. So usefulness,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. We'll have to wait for a polydactyl

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<v Speaker 1>person to maybe take up piano or some other instrument

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<v Speaker 1>like maybe a sitar or a harp, something with a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of strings. And additionally, for it to be a

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<v Speaker 1>benefit to them, they'd need extra digits to work independently

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<v Speaker 1>like their other fingers, and that's not as common as

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<v Speaker 1>just straight up polydactyl cases. So there you go.

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<v Speaker 2>There you go a little bit more on alfon Seca.

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<v Speaker 2>He played for the Braves for I think one or

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<v Speaker 2>two seasons. I definitely remember seeing his name floating around

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<v Speaker 2>in the Braves roster for a while. Oh wait it

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<v Speaker 2>was yeah, it was two thousand and four. Okay, so

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<v Speaker 2>it was a single season, two thousand and four. But

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<v Speaker 2>you probably remember him if you do, if it is

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<v Speaker 2>ringing your head from his years with the Florida Marlins.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right. Look, I have a very limited baseball memory,

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<v Speaker 2>but I actually do. I looked up his name and

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<v Speaker 2>I saw his face. I was like, oh, yeah, I

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<v Speaker 2>do remember this. Yeah, I don't remember that part. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's really interesting. I don't remember him being like amazing though.

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<v Speaker 1>No. No, he was just a competent pitcher. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>the thing. It's not. It's not as if he were

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<v Speaker 1>like the Lebron James of pitching or something, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>but it was just a I think it was a

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<v Speaker 1>good story for slow news days often.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Are there any more impressive examples of super throwing of

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<v Speaker 3>super throwing?

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<v Speaker 1>No, but there are examples of There are examples of

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<v Speaker 1>things that you could call super catching.

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<v Speaker 3>A little line interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so we've we've shown one that's we're kind of

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<v Speaker 1>debunking that one. It's possible, for instance, that you know,

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<v Speaker 1>we're all familiar with the film Gadiga. It's possible that

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<v Speaker 1>there could be in the future a polydactyl person who

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<v Speaker 1>is just an amazing piano player. Oh, I imagine is

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<v Speaker 1>that one scene in Gadigo where you see that they've

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<v Speaker 1>grown people to have extra fingers?

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<v Speaker 3>I mean surely they don't have the same amount of

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<v Speaker 3>dexterity in their extra digits as they do in there.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you know what I mean, like not in

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<v Speaker 1>most cases. This is just saying yeah, not in most cases.

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<v Speaker 1>Most cases, it's kind of it's kind of just hanging there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not a it's not an again, it's not a

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<v Speaker 1>digit that could move independently. You know, and even for

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<v Speaker 1>most people, if you've ever tried it, most people cannot

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<v Speaker 1>raise their ring finger by itself. Have you Have you

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<v Speaker 1>ever tried to do that?

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<v Speaker 2>I cannot do that.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like a it's a learned skill.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you have to just practice a muscles and this

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<v Speaker 2>is the best I give you.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, whoa, that's really good, Matt.

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<v Speaker 2>No, it's not good. Actually that's yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Let us know if you could do that, send send

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<v Speaker 1>proof because I don't want to be too cynical, but.

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<v Speaker 2>I won't let hands physically.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know anyone who can do it. You know.

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<v Speaker 1>Here's here's something that's a little bit more useful, but

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<v Speaker 1>it takes us to a really dark time in human history.

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<v Speaker 1>The Black Plague, right fun, Yeah, one of the uh,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the greatest hits in the stories of pandemics,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, so waves of disease. The Black Plague is

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<v Speaker 1>an umbrella term for several distinct waves of disease that

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<v Speaker 1>completely Paul, you might have to edit me here, that

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<v Speaker 1>completely fkp Europe in ways that still echo today. That's

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<v Speaker 1>one of the disasters that, when portrayed in film, is

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<v Speaker 1>actually not exaggerated, is maybe softened a little bit because

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<v Speaker 1>they have to have their main characters in the fictional

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<v Speaker 1>story lived to the end of the story or live

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<v Speaker 1>through part of it, and most people didn't. It was terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>It was so bad. It fundamentally changed the course of

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<v Speaker 1>human history, and it also provided a certain segment of

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<v Speaker 1>the population with a superpower. It turns out that evolutionary

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<v Speaker 1>pressures applied to the Black Blade may have resulted in

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<v Speaker 1>immunity to HIV for about ten percent of the current

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<v Speaker 1>European descended population, which counts you guys as well. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's quite possible. I mean, don't go gambling on this one,

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<v Speaker 1>don't bet on it, because your odds are not great.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's possible that we in the studio and you

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<v Speaker 1>out there listening, we could be immune to HIV, not

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<v Speaker 1>HIV resistant, not less likely to get it straight up

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<v Speaker 1>immune to the disease.

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<v Speaker 3>Wait, is there a connection between the plague and HIV?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you asked. Yeah, it's a mystery, but there's

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<v Speaker 1>some pretty good science behind it. So the individuals who

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<v Speaker 1>currently now carry this genetic immunity to HIV have a

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<v Speaker 1>mutation known as CCR five dash A thirty two, and

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<v Speaker 1>this prevents the HIV virus from entering the cells of

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<v Speaker 1>the immune system.

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<v Speaker 3>And that's Creden's clear Outito revival five.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, right America thirty two. Yeah, and this immunity made

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<v Speaker 1>national news in two thousand and seven, which I think.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's see, Matt, this was like right before we started

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<v Speaker 1>working together, correct, And I remember we talked about this

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<v Speaker 1>years ago. There was an individual who was having a terrible,

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<v Speaker 1>terrible time in life. This person was infected with HIV

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<v Speaker 1>and additionally they had leukemia. Luckily, they were in a

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<v Speaker 1>place that had a European approach to modern medicine, so

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't die due to a bank account problem. They

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<v Speaker 1>received a bone marrow transfusion and this not only treated

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<v Speaker 1>his leukemia, it also, to everyone's surprise, cured him of HIV.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's incredible and he went.

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<v Speaker 1>They didn't believe it for the first couple of years.

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<v Speaker 1>Five years later, he still doesn't have HIV. They don't

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<v Speaker 1>really know what's going on until they figured out it

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<v Speaker 1>appears that the bone marrow donor carried that immunity, that

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<v Speaker 1>mutation and successfully transferred this to the leukemia patient. In

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<v Speaker 1>following years, other patients in similar situations exhibited the same results.

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<v Speaker 1>And to your question, for a long time, scientists couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>understand how this could work at all, because not only

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<v Speaker 1>did the mutation develop way before the rise of a

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<v Speaker 1>but if the Black Plague was bubonic plague, if it

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<v Speaker 1>was bacterial in nature, it wouldn't make much sense because

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<v Speaker 1>HIV is a virus. It's viral in nature. So two

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<v Speaker 1>professors who worked on this, Christopher Duncan and Susan Scott,

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<v Speaker 1>wrote a book called Return of the Black Death, which

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<v Speaker 1>is a great book. I'd also recommend if you're interested

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<v Speaker 1>in light reading Norman Canters In the Wake of the Plague.

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<v Speaker 1>These professors said that the concepts of the Black Death

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<v Speaker 1>were were incorrect and that the plague sweeping through Europe

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<v Speaker 1>from thirteen forty seven to sixteen sixty were in fact,

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<v Speaker 1>a continuing series of epidemics of a lethal viral hemorrhagic

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<v Speaker 1>fever that used this CCR five that we're talking about

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<v Speaker 1>as an entry port into the immune system. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>kind of like this mutation shuts the door for both

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<v Speaker 1>this virus and HIV to get in. And around the

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<v Speaker 1>time time that the plague hit, according to their mathematical models,

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<v Speaker 1>the mutation occurred in about one out of twenty thousand people,

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<v Speaker 1>and pressure from the plague alone brought this number up

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<v Speaker 1>to something more like one in ten or ten percent.

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<v Speaker 1>So again, that's amazing. That is an incredibly powerful thing. Yeah,

0:25:20.000 --> 0:25:23.600
<v Speaker 1>it's incredible and earned through the death of millions.

0:25:24.000 --> 0:25:25.720
<v Speaker 2>Now we just have to figure out how to transfer

0:25:26.000 --> 0:25:27.760
<v Speaker 2>that into everybody.

0:25:27.560 --> 0:25:31.440
<v Speaker 1>Right right exactly, And there have been some promising breakthroughs

0:25:31.880 --> 0:25:36.680
<v Speaker 1>in HIV research just this year as we record this.

0:25:37.920 --> 0:25:44.119
<v Speaker 1>Of course, the origins of HIV remain a contested topic,

0:25:44.200 --> 0:25:45.600
<v Speaker 1>which I think we did an episode on.

0:25:46.200 --> 0:25:50.119
<v Speaker 2>Here's another awesome thing. Let's say you're traveling somewhere in

0:25:50.119 --> 0:25:53.960
<v Speaker 2>the world where you may have to worry about contracting malaria.

0:25:54.640 --> 0:25:56.840
<v Speaker 2>There are several places in the world where this is

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<v Speaker 2>a real danger. Here is a very strange thing, and

0:26:01.440 --> 0:26:05.800
<v Speaker 2>maybe it's just it's just something that has come through

0:26:05.840 --> 0:26:10.320
<v Speaker 2>evolution to the human body because of the way another

0:26:10.400 --> 0:26:14.080
<v Speaker 2>thing functions within the human body, and that's sickle cell anemia.

0:26:14.200 --> 0:26:16.800
<v Speaker 2>If you happen to have that, it appears to, or

0:26:16.880 --> 0:26:21.640
<v Speaker 2>seems to in many cases, you probably have some form

0:26:21.680 --> 0:26:26.160
<v Speaker 2>of inborn resistance to malaria. Pretty pretty sweet, right, that's

0:26:26.160 --> 0:26:30.520
<v Speaker 2>a cool thing. Having sickle cell anemia. Not good at

0:26:30.600 --> 0:26:33.640
<v Speaker 2>all because this is a very dangerous medical medical condition

0:26:33.840 --> 0:26:36.359
<v Speaker 2>and there are a lot of side effects from having it,

0:26:36.400 --> 0:26:39.760
<v Speaker 2>and it's not fun whatsoever. However, it's some weird little

0:26:39.760 --> 0:26:43.639
<v Speaker 2>trade off of having a weakness you also have this

0:26:43.720 --> 0:26:47.200
<v Speaker 2>superpower and or well maybe it's it's both, I.

0:26:47.160 --> 0:26:52.760
<v Speaker 1>Guess yeah, and it's We can go into the science

0:26:52.800 --> 0:26:56.480
<v Speaker 1>of it maybe in a in a different episode it

0:26:56.720 --> 0:27:01.080
<v Speaker 1>just without going to in the weeds. The way it

0:27:01.160 --> 0:27:06.080
<v Speaker 1>works is that the effect that sickle cell anemia has

0:27:06.119 --> 0:27:11.480
<v Speaker 1>on your red blood cells that it makes them abnormally shaped,

0:27:11.840 --> 0:27:17.920
<v Speaker 1>and it doesn't doesn't provide protection against infection by the

0:27:17.960 --> 0:27:22.959
<v Speaker 1>malaria parasite. Instead, it prevents the disease from taking hold

0:27:23.600 --> 0:27:26.560
<v Speaker 1>after the organism, or in this case, the person has

0:27:26.560 --> 0:27:31.919
<v Speaker 1>been infected so it's still a bad condition. Yeah, but

0:27:32.200 --> 0:27:37.880
<v Speaker 1>in the right circumstances, at least according to evolution, it's

0:27:37.960 --> 0:27:41.600
<v Speaker 1>better to have sickle cell anemia than malaria.

0:27:41.720 --> 0:27:42.200
<v Speaker 2>There you go.

0:27:43.200 --> 0:27:46.680
<v Speaker 1>So that's strange. That's I would say the HIV immunity

0:27:46.800 --> 0:27:49.880
<v Speaker 1>is a little bit less dangerous to have since there's

0:27:49.920 --> 0:27:52.760
<v Speaker 1>not such a trade off. Or I guess the trade

0:27:52.760 --> 0:27:57.840
<v Speaker 1>off was surviving. Again, I can't you. I'm trying to

0:27:57.880 --> 0:28:00.399
<v Speaker 1>think of a word stronger than horrific. One of the

0:28:00.400 --> 0:28:04.159
<v Speaker 1>worst things that happened in history, Yeah, the plagues. But

0:28:06.280 --> 0:28:10.200
<v Speaker 1>that's that's that's a useful one. We're trying to vary

0:28:10.280 --> 0:28:13.439
<v Speaker 1>between the useful and unuseful. I found one that I

0:28:13.480 --> 0:28:17.720
<v Speaker 1>thought I wanted to hear. You guys take on. You

0:28:17.720 --> 0:28:19.600
<v Speaker 1>remember seven? Did you guys? Like seven?

0:28:20.080 --> 0:28:20.560
<v Speaker 2>The film?

0:28:20.640 --> 0:28:23.879
<v Speaker 1>The film? No, just the number, if you remember that number.

0:28:23.960 --> 0:28:26.120
<v Speaker 3>It's a great one about Lucky number seleven.

0:28:27.280 --> 0:28:27.680
<v Speaker 1>What's that?

0:28:27.880 --> 0:28:31.760
<v Speaker 3>Oh, it's a movie with Yeah, what's his name, Diehard?

0:28:31.920 --> 0:28:35.960
<v Speaker 3>Bruce Willis. I have seen assassin named sleven. Oh, it's

0:28:36.000 --> 0:28:38.160
<v Speaker 3>called Lucky Number sleven. Oh, geez.

0:28:38.640 --> 0:28:42.360
<v Speaker 2>In this one, I think we're talking about a serial murderer. Well,

0:28:43.440 --> 0:28:48.280
<v Speaker 2>he's a torturist, maybe a torturer. He doesn't necessarily kill

0:28:48.320 --> 0:28:50.760
<v Speaker 2>all the time, but he has someone else do the killing.

0:28:51.040 --> 0:28:53.120
<v Speaker 2>Without spoiling too much of the movie seven.

0:28:53.080 --> 0:28:55.640
<v Speaker 1>Or well, it's past the statute of limitations.

0:28:55.120 --> 0:28:58.320
<v Speaker 3>Right, it's Kevin Spacey, you guys, who is.

0:28:58.240 --> 0:29:00.560
<v Speaker 1>Not building the movie? Okay, let's go ahet. You want

0:29:00.600 --> 0:29:02.360
<v Speaker 1>to do a spoiler countdown for everybody?

0:29:02.800 --> 0:29:03.280
<v Speaker 2>Three?

0:29:03.560 --> 0:29:06.160
<v Speaker 3>Two, it's Kevin Spacey.

0:29:08.320 --> 0:29:11.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's Kevin Spacey. He appears in the very last

0:29:11.120 --> 0:29:13.960
<v Speaker 1>act of the film, uncredited because he did not want

0:29:14.000 --> 0:29:17.040
<v Speaker 1>to quote ruin the surprise. But one of the ways

0:29:17.120 --> 0:29:19.680
<v Speaker 1>in this story, one of the ways that he gets

0:29:20.560 --> 0:29:24.120
<v Speaker 1>away with all these horrific acts that are meant to

0:29:24.760 --> 0:29:28.440
<v Speaker 1>echo the ten Commandments or the violation thereof, is that

0:29:28.880 --> 0:29:32.840
<v Speaker 1>the seven Deadly Sins. Yes, thank you, that's the name

0:29:32.880 --> 0:29:37.560
<v Speaker 1>of the movie. Yes, good save he gets away with

0:29:38.440 --> 0:29:41.240
<v Speaker 1>or he's not apprehended for a while because he has,

0:29:41.360 --> 0:29:45.560
<v Speaker 1>through a very painful process, removed his own fingerprints. It

0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:48.680
<v Speaker 1>turns out some people just don't have fingerprints genetically.

0:29:48.720 --> 0:29:50.120
<v Speaker 3>And just for the record, you guys, I wanted to

0:29:50.120 --> 0:29:51.959
<v Speaker 3>throw that Kevin Spacey bit out there in case you

0:29:52.040 --> 0:29:54.160
<v Speaker 3>watched the movie. For the first time, not knowing that

0:29:54.160 --> 0:29:55.440
<v Speaker 3>he was in it, and then you would have been

0:29:55.480 --> 0:29:57.720
<v Speaker 3>super pissed by the end of it when he came out,

0:29:57.720 --> 0:29:59.160
<v Speaker 3>and you're like, I didn't want to watch a Kevin

0:29:59.200 --> 0:30:02.760
<v Speaker 3>Spacey movie. That guy sucks. So I saved you from

0:30:02.760 --> 0:30:03.880
<v Speaker 3>that moment. So you're welcome.

0:30:03.920 --> 0:30:06.840
<v Speaker 2>But in this case, he plays the villain that you're

0:30:06.920 --> 0:30:10.400
<v Speaker 2>rooting against doesn't matter. So in some way maybe it's

0:30:10.600 --> 0:30:11.080
<v Speaker 2>I don't.

0:30:10.920 --> 0:30:12.960
<v Speaker 1>Know, and I don't think he's getting much money for

0:30:13.040 --> 0:30:15.600
<v Speaker 1>that film. I think that's mainly Brad Pitt and the

0:30:16.160 --> 0:30:19.880
<v Speaker 1>other guy. But yeah, Morgan Freeman, Morgan Freeman.

0:30:20.000 --> 0:30:21.800
<v Speaker 3>Can he also a bit of a me too guy?

0:30:21.920 --> 0:30:23.360
<v Speaker 3>Didn't he do some bad stuff too?

0:30:23.520 --> 0:30:24.160
<v Speaker 1>Morgan Freeman?

0:30:24.320 --> 0:30:27.040
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, there was a me too moment for Morgan Freeman.

0:30:27.200 --> 0:30:28.760
<v Speaker 1>Oh I heard that. I'll look that up.

0:30:28.800 --> 0:30:31.960
<v Speaker 2>As Michael Ja said at the Emmys just the other night,

0:30:33.080 --> 0:30:36.480
<v Speaker 2>Hello to all of you famous rich people in Hollywood

0:30:36.560 --> 0:30:38.000
<v Speaker 2>who haven't been caught yet.

0:30:38.280 --> 0:30:42.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, true, too, true, So lack of fingerprints. In two

0:30:42.360 --> 0:30:45.880
<v Speaker 1>thousand and seven, there's a Swiss woman in her late

0:30:46.000 --> 0:30:52.000
<v Speaker 1>twenties who ran into a really irritating Kafka esque problem.

0:30:52.520 --> 0:30:55.600
<v Speaker 1>She could prove who she was in every way, in

0:30:55.640 --> 0:30:59.640
<v Speaker 1>every way that mattered, except for one. Customs agents at

0:30:59.680 --> 0:31:03.200
<v Speaker 1>the US border could not confirm her identity because despite

0:31:03.200 --> 0:31:06.600
<v Speaker 1>the fact that everything in her passport matched, including her

0:31:06.640 --> 0:31:10.200
<v Speaker 1>photograph and all that jazz, all that slow jazz, when

0:31:10.240 --> 0:31:13.360
<v Speaker 1>the agent scanned her hand, they found out she had

0:31:13.400 --> 0:31:16.760
<v Speaker 1>no fingerprints. And it turns out, instead of being some

0:31:16.880 --> 0:31:21.720
<v Speaker 1>master criminal or some insane sadist, she has an extremely

0:31:21.800 --> 0:31:27.640
<v Speaker 1>rare genetic condition known as a dermatoglyphia lack of fingerprints.

0:31:28.040 --> 0:31:30.520
<v Speaker 1>We're just we're throwing out the fancy words today.

0:31:30.560 --> 0:31:33.760
<v Speaker 2>A dermatoeglifia A d E r M A t O

0:31:34.240 --> 0:31:36.800
<v Speaker 2>g l y p h I A A dermatoglifia.

0:31:37.440 --> 0:31:39.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there you go. That's a nice voice for that, Matt.

0:31:40.360 --> 0:31:45.520
<v Speaker 1>So this condition mainly makes immigration and travel so such

0:31:45.640 --> 0:31:49.520
<v Speaker 1>a pain in the ass that one dermatologist researching it,

0:31:50.000 --> 0:31:53.880
<v Speaker 1>doctor named Peter Eiden, called it the immigration delay disease.

0:31:54.400 --> 0:31:59.360
<v Speaker 1>Nice so usefulness. It could have been useful in the

0:31:59.440 --> 0:32:02.960
<v Speaker 1>days before we're GPS tracking and DNA testing, like you

0:32:03.000 --> 0:32:06.600
<v Speaker 1>could have been a master thief or of some sort,

0:32:06.680 --> 0:32:11.160
<v Speaker 1>maybe in the forties through the fifties or sixties. Definitely,

0:32:12.040 --> 0:32:17.880
<v Speaker 1>so that the heyday of that fingerprintless crime mob as

0:32:18.120 --> 0:32:18.840
<v Speaker 1>coming gone.

0:32:19.480 --> 0:32:23.120
<v Speaker 2>If you had that coupled. Oh, it's a it's a

0:32:23.360 --> 0:32:25.640
<v Speaker 2>terrible disease that a lot of people suffer with where you.

0:32:25.640 --> 0:32:28.280
<v Speaker 1>Lose all of your hair, alopecia.

0:32:27.760 --> 0:32:31.800
<v Speaker 2>Alopecia in your entire body. If you had alopecia, and oh,

0:32:31.840 --> 0:32:33.840
<v Speaker 2>I've already lost it in the outline and there's no

0:32:33.840 --> 0:32:35.200
<v Speaker 2>way I'm gonna be able to say it again.

0:32:35.280 --> 0:32:36.960
<v Speaker 1>A dermatoglyphia, thank you.

0:32:37.320 --> 0:32:40.240
<v Speaker 2>If you had both of those in the nineteen thirties, forties,

0:32:40.360 --> 0:32:43.959
<v Speaker 2>really anytime before the nineteen sixties, Yeah, you were You

0:32:44.000 --> 0:32:45.240
<v Speaker 2>could have been a master thief.

0:32:47.320 --> 0:32:51.760
<v Speaker 1>Dare to dream, dare to dream. So the next one

0:32:51.800 --> 0:32:55.680
<v Speaker 1>is really the next one's a weird one. It's super strange,

0:32:55.760 --> 0:32:58.520
<v Speaker 1>and I think it warrants it's an episode.

0:32:58.000 --> 0:33:00.240
<v Speaker 2>So well, why don't we Why don't we hear a

0:33:00.280 --> 0:33:07.520
<v Speaker 2>quick word from our sponsor before we get into it?

0:33:08.640 --> 0:33:11.640
<v Speaker 1>Okay, Imagine a world in which humans might be able

0:33:11.680 --> 0:33:14.880
<v Speaker 1>to smell with the sophistication of a dog, run with

0:33:14.920 --> 0:33:17.840
<v Speaker 1>the burst of a cheetah, stay underwater as long as

0:33:18.200 --> 0:33:21.320
<v Speaker 1>a seal or a whale, or sleep with one half

0:33:21.360 --> 0:33:23.400
<v Speaker 1>of each brain at a time, or a Heck, how

0:33:23.440 --> 0:33:27.520
<v Speaker 1>about just we're growing a limb, or you know, growing

0:33:27.560 --> 0:33:31.240
<v Speaker 1>an extra one just for funsies. That would be That's

0:33:31.320 --> 0:33:34.040
<v Speaker 1>the world comic books present to us when we think

0:33:34.080 --> 0:33:38.360
<v Speaker 1>of human animal hybrids. And we're still pretty far off

0:33:38.520 --> 0:33:41.520
<v Speaker 1>from that sort of stuff, but we're closer than you

0:33:41.640 --> 0:33:42.240
<v Speaker 1>might think.

0:33:42.280 --> 0:33:44.520
<v Speaker 3>We're talking about some island of doctor Moreau type stuff.

0:33:44.560 --> 0:33:46.240
<v Speaker 3>Ben more like some Sabertooth stuff.

0:33:46.240 --> 0:33:46.880
<v Speaker 2>You know what I'm saying.

0:33:47.600 --> 0:33:49.760
<v Speaker 1>Ideally it would be Sabertooth, but you gotta go through

0:33:49.760 --> 0:33:51.520
<v Speaker 1>Moreau to get the saber tooth.

0:33:51.280 --> 0:33:54.240
<v Speaker 3>Right, Yeah, you gotta break a few eggs to make

0:33:54.280 --> 0:33:55.000
<v Speaker 3>a cheat up.

0:33:55.280 --> 0:33:58.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Did you ever read the actual book?

0:33:59.360 --> 0:34:01.880
<v Speaker 3>No, but I saw the incredible film and the documentary

0:34:01.880 --> 0:34:03.480
<v Speaker 3>about the.

0:34:02.880 --> 0:34:07.280
<v Speaker 1>About mar Val Kilm totally insane. Well, in the.

0:34:09.520 --> 0:34:11.440
<v Speaker 2>Oh Man, there's his voice.

0:34:11.640 --> 0:34:15.440
<v Speaker 1>There's so many stories about Marlon Brando without getting too

0:34:15.480 --> 0:34:17.880
<v Speaker 1>far into him. The thing that's interesting about the book

0:34:18.520 --> 0:34:23.200
<v Speaker 1>is that when the book was written, the the doctor,

0:34:23.280 --> 0:34:26.080
<v Speaker 1>the namesake of the film and the namesake of the story,

0:34:27.200 --> 0:34:30.840
<v Speaker 1>he is using purely surgical methods, so he's not using

0:34:30.880 --> 0:34:36.880
<v Speaker 1>any genetic methods to increase the cognitive abilities of these animals,

0:34:36.920 --> 0:34:40.759
<v Speaker 1>these hybrids, these chimaras he's instead just cutting them up

0:34:40.800 --> 0:34:41.799
<v Speaker 1>so they walk like men.

0:34:41.840 --> 0:34:43.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, sort of like that movie Tusk. Did you see

0:34:43.800 --> 0:34:46.680
<v Speaker 3>that horrible monstrosity. It's a Kevin Smith movie where he

0:34:46.719 --> 0:34:50.560
<v Speaker 3>turns a podcaster into a walrus. It's awful.

0:34:50.719 --> 0:34:53.239
<v Speaker 1>It just doesn't make any sense to me, Like the

0:34:53.239 --> 0:34:57.120
<v Speaker 1>motivation of the guy. The the fact that spoiler alert

0:34:57.120 --> 0:35:01.239
<v Speaker 1>three two one, the fact that the the protagonist and

0:35:01.400 --> 0:35:06.160
<v Speaker 1>Tusk or the main character also loses his mind, but

0:35:06.200 --> 0:35:08.160
<v Speaker 1>nothing's really done to his mind other than you know,

0:35:08.200 --> 0:35:11.880
<v Speaker 1>intense psychological torture, like he's a lot lobotomized or anything.

0:35:12.640 --> 0:35:14.080
<v Speaker 3>I don't know, man, I'd lose my mind if I

0:35:14.120 --> 0:35:15.520
<v Speaker 3>was turned into a walrus.

0:35:15.600 --> 0:35:17.640
<v Speaker 1>I think I think I would have the presence of

0:35:17.680 --> 0:35:20.480
<v Speaker 1>mind to ask for some people to help me with surgery,

0:35:20.600 --> 0:35:23.640
<v Speaker 1>to at least get me closer back closer to my

0:35:23.680 --> 0:35:25.120
<v Speaker 1>original form, you.

0:35:25.080 --> 0:35:27.760
<v Speaker 2>Know what I mean, being in a wildlife part.

0:35:29.360 --> 0:35:33.040
<v Speaker 1>This fight. You know. Sometimes I feel sometimes directors or

0:35:33.080 --> 0:35:36.719
<v Speaker 1>screenwriters get carried away with one image and it's just

0:35:37.200 --> 0:35:41.480
<v Speaker 1>they'll like spend hours try and rationalize that image that's

0:35:41.480 --> 0:35:43.640
<v Speaker 1>for a different show. That's for a different show, I'm sure,

0:35:44.160 --> 0:35:49.040
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, like that, like like Moreau on the Way

0:35:49.040 --> 0:35:54.000
<v Speaker 1>to Sabertooth. We're already this is the biggest spoiler. We

0:35:54.040 --> 0:35:58.240
<v Speaker 1>as a species are already quite capable of making several

0:35:58.280 --> 0:36:01.920
<v Speaker 1>types of human animal highhybrids, but in many cases it

0:36:02.000 --> 0:36:05.760
<v Speaker 1>might be more accurate to call it an animal human hybrid.

0:36:06.239 --> 0:36:09.279
<v Speaker 1>In twenty seventeen. Just last year, scientists announced that they

0:36:09.280 --> 0:36:13.520
<v Speaker 1>had created the first successful ones, and they weren't entirely

0:36:14.520 --> 0:36:18.720
<v Speaker 1>accurate in that claim. Their project proved that human cells

0:36:18.719 --> 0:36:21.960
<v Speaker 1>can be introduced to a non human organism and they

0:36:21.960 --> 0:36:25.600
<v Speaker 1>can grow within that organism. But what they what they

0:36:25.640 --> 0:36:29.960
<v Speaker 1>didn't say, is they were doing legitimate ethical science. In

0:36:30.120 --> 0:36:34.680
<v Speaker 1>decades before this experiment in twenty seventeen, people have been

0:36:34.760 --> 0:36:38.920
<v Speaker 1>doing plenty of legitimate unethical science. There are all these

0:36:39.000 --> 0:36:42.279
<v Speaker 1>rumors we covered in earlier shows about a so called

0:36:42.320 --> 0:36:48.040
<v Speaker 1>human z which is genetically speaking, completely possible where it's

0:36:48.120 --> 0:36:50.960
<v Speaker 1>close enough, you know what I mean. It would be

0:36:51.000 --> 0:36:54.560
<v Speaker 1>probably very hard to bring it to term, and the

0:36:54.600 --> 0:36:57.520
<v Speaker 1>creature would live a very cursed and happy life probably,

0:36:57.880 --> 0:37:03.600
<v Speaker 1>but it's technically possible, just not ethically advisable. And in

0:37:03.680 --> 0:37:08.839
<v Speaker 1>China there's this I guess you would call it a

0:37:08.960 --> 0:37:11.440
<v Speaker 1>story by two researchers because there's not a lot of

0:37:11.440 --> 0:37:14.680
<v Speaker 1>proof to back it up. Right before the Cultural Revolution,

0:37:14.840 --> 0:37:18.560
<v Speaker 1>there was a successful experiment with a human chimpanzee hybrid

0:37:18.920 --> 0:37:24.280
<v Speaker 1>and they had a female chimpanzee carrying essentially human fetus.

0:37:24.520 --> 0:37:27.040
<v Speaker 1>It was about three months pregnant. But then all the

0:37:27.360 --> 0:37:32.600
<v Speaker 1>research was destroyed along with the individual. So and then

0:37:32.680 --> 0:37:35.000
<v Speaker 1>that's say of going into the Russian experiments, which were

0:37:35.080 --> 0:37:39.120
<v Speaker 1>much have much better documentation. And then in two thousand

0:37:39.160 --> 0:37:43.239
<v Speaker 1>and three, the first successful human animal hybrid was made

0:37:43.440 --> 0:37:47.960
<v Speaker 1>in a lab in Shanghai. Some scientists fused human cells

0:37:48.000 --> 0:37:51.439
<v Speaker 1>in rabbit eggs and they created the embryos of new

0:37:51.480 --> 0:37:55.280
<v Speaker 1>creature that would be half rabbit, half human, never born again.

0:37:55.600 --> 0:37:58.080
<v Speaker 1>These things officially have never been born. You.

0:37:58.239 --> 0:38:00.680
<v Speaker 2>And the whole point of that study, at least back

0:38:00.719 --> 0:38:03.120
<v Speaker 2>in the day, according to San Francisco Gate, was to

0:38:03.280 --> 0:38:06.680
<v Speaker 2>create a essentially a place where you could grow human

0:38:06.760 --> 0:38:11.280
<v Speaker 2>stem cells. Yes, yeah, within the rabbit creature that they're

0:38:11.280 --> 0:38:13.040
<v Speaker 2>creating human rabbit thing.

0:38:13.160 --> 0:38:15.759
<v Speaker 1>And that's why when they destroyed the embryos, they harvested

0:38:15.760 --> 0:38:21.799
<v Speaker 1>the stem cells, right exactly. Yeah. So in the present day,

0:38:21.600 --> 0:38:30.040
<v Speaker 1>we started really really going into this with pigs we've

0:38:30.040 --> 0:38:34.520
<v Speaker 1>made pigs that are technically chimaras, organisms that are part

0:38:34.600 --> 0:38:38.520
<v Speaker 1>human part animals. The scientists at the Salk Institute found

0:38:38.600 --> 0:38:41.200
<v Speaker 1>that they could inject a certain type of human cell,

0:38:41.560 --> 0:38:46.280
<v Speaker 1>things called pluripotent cells stem cells with unlimited changeable potential.

0:38:46.480 --> 0:38:50.440
<v Speaker 1>They could implant these cells, and if they allowed the

0:38:50.520 --> 0:38:54.120
<v Speaker 1>cells to develop to a specific degree, these cells could

0:38:54.160 --> 0:38:57.960
<v Speaker 1>survive in pig embryos. They had to find sort of

0:38:57.960 --> 0:39:03.719
<v Speaker 1>a Goldilocks zone to put this alien, alien organic material in,

0:39:04.080 --> 0:39:06.600
<v Speaker 1>and they went on to create one hundred and eighty

0:39:06.680 --> 0:39:10.800
<v Speaker 1>six embryos chmeric embryos that survived. Each only had about

0:39:10.840 --> 0:39:15.440
<v Speaker 1>one in one hundred thousand human cells, is their ratio. Currently,

0:39:15.480 --> 0:39:18.320
<v Speaker 1>we're capable of making sheep that are about point zero

0:39:18.400 --> 0:39:21.400
<v Speaker 1>one percent human cells. The ultimate goal here is not

0:39:21.440 --> 0:39:25.680
<v Speaker 1>to make a race of pig people or sheepfolk. It's

0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:31.120
<v Speaker 1>to use these animals as a harvesting ground for organs,

0:39:31.440 --> 0:39:36.239
<v Speaker 1>which means within our lifetimes, if any of us needs

0:39:36.239 --> 0:39:38.759
<v Speaker 1>to get a heart transplant, we may well end up

0:39:38.760 --> 0:39:40.040
<v Speaker 1>with the heart of a pig.

0:39:40.400 --> 0:39:42.480
<v Speaker 2>Which is currently what happens now. If you get a

0:39:42.560 --> 0:39:45.920
<v Speaker 2>valve replacement, it can be bovine, it can be poresine.

0:39:46.200 --> 0:39:48.840
<v Speaker 2>It can be from some other animals. A lot of

0:39:48.840 --> 0:39:50.240
<v Speaker 2>times it's a bovine valve.

0:39:50.560 --> 0:39:50.880
<v Speaker 1>Wow.

0:39:51.160 --> 0:39:53.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean so we're already doing that, but it's

0:39:53.440 --> 0:39:57.359
<v Speaker 2>not a human hybrid version of it, or a full

0:39:57.400 --> 0:39:59.400
<v Speaker 2>on human one that was grown inside of a cow.

0:40:00.719 --> 0:40:02.080
<v Speaker 2>It's really interesting stuff.

0:40:02.320 --> 0:40:05.839
<v Speaker 1>I mean, that's it's interesting. Though Ethically that would be

0:40:06.560 --> 0:40:08.680
<v Speaker 1>less egregious to a lot of people than using a

0:40:08.760 --> 0:40:09.880
<v Speaker 1>human heart, right.

0:40:10.520 --> 0:40:13.800
<v Speaker 2>Sure, well, yeah, I guess it depends. It depends.

0:40:13.880 --> 0:40:18.080
<v Speaker 1>But then growing an animal and dedicating its entire life

0:40:18.160 --> 0:40:20.200
<v Speaker 1>to having its organs harvested a lot of people to

0:40:20.239 --> 0:40:23.120
<v Speaker 1>have problems with that. They would also maybe talk about

0:40:23.160 --> 0:40:24.960
<v Speaker 1>those problems while they were eating a hamburger.

0:40:25.520 --> 0:40:31.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah it yeah, I agree, it does. It is an

0:40:31.200 --> 0:40:33.920
<v Speaker 2>interesting thing. It feels like maybe they're going about it

0:40:33.960 --> 0:40:36.319
<v Speaker 2>the wrong way, but I see the leap here. Who

0:40:36.360 --> 0:40:39.239
<v Speaker 2>am I to say, by the way, old boy Matt

0:40:39.239 --> 0:40:42.040
<v Speaker 2>over here trying to tell science what to do. But

0:40:42.480 --> 0:40:44.359
<v Speaker 2>it does feel like we're getting closer to a point

0:40:44.400 --> 0:40:47.799
<v Speaker 2>where we'll be able to grow an organ almost like

0:40:47.840 --> 0:40:50.799
<v Speaker 2>three D print and organ out of genetic material, rather

0:40:50.840 --> 0:40:53.760
<v Speaker 2>than having to grow one physically in a creature.

0:40:54.120 --> 0:40:58.720
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Yeah, we are getting closer. The problem is making

0:40:58.760 --> 0:41:00.560
<v Speaker 1>the moving parts. Yeah, you know what I.

0:41:00.600 --> 0:41:04.200
<v Speaker 2>Mean, absolutely, But yeah, it just feels in a way

0:41:05.600 --> 0:41:08.560
<v Speaker 2>just that it's still even happening in twenty seventeen. I'm fascinated.

0:41:08.719 --> 0:41:11.640
<v Speaker 1>I know, it feels like a sort of sorcery, doesn't

0:41:11.640 --> 0:41:16.600
<v Speaker 1>it to mold living material in that manner? And also

0:41:17.080 --> 0:41:22.160
<v Speaker 1>this could make an episode all its own because this

0:41:22.200 --> 0:41:25.600
<v Speaker 1>doesn't even touch on This doesn't even touch on what

0:41:25.680 --> 0:41:29.120
<v Speaker 1>the nature of humanity is like? Is it a simple

0:41:29.200 --> 0:41:34.520
<v Speaker 1>ratio of cells? Is it once once more than half

0:41:34.760 --> 0:41:38.840
<v Speaker 1>of the cells in the animal's body by weight or whatever.

0:41:39.120 --> 0:41:43.200
<v Speaker 1>Once those once they reach over fifty one percent, does

0:41:43.239 --> 0:41:46.919
<v Speaker 1>that animal become human? That's a good question, right once?

0:41:47.440 --> 0:41:50.839
<v Speaker 1>Or is it just the type of cells? If all

0:41:50.880 --> 0:41:54.280
<v Speaker 1>of its cells are human, but it has the brain

0:41:54.520 --> 0:41:57.319
<v Speaker 1>and the nervous system of a different animal, is it

0:41:57.400 --> 0:42:00.560
<v Speaker 1>not human? You know what I mean? Where the line

0:42:00.640 --> 0:42:02.640
<v Speaker 1>is it at the brain? Is it at the ratio?

0:42:03.560 --> 0:42:07.040
<v Speaker 1>What makes what makes a living thing human? Or what

0:42:07.080 --> 0:42:10.040
<v Speaker 1>makes it sentient? Right? Like this, this is a question

0:42:10.080 --> 0:42:12.800
<v Speaker 1>that we will eventually as a species have to answer.

0:42:12.880 --> 0:42:15.879
<v Speaker 3>It's like do animals have souls right right?

0:42:16.320 --> 0:42:18.000
<v Speaker 1>Or do they have legal rights?

0:42:18.080 --> 0:42:21.120
<v Speaker 3>What even is a soul? What even our legal rights?

0:42:21.200 --> 0:42:22.640
<v Speaker 1>How do we define this stuff? You know?

0:42:22.840 --> 0:42:25.840
<v Speaker 2>Conspiracy at HowStuffWorks dot com. Send in your thoughts.

0:42:26.040 --> 0:42:28.680
<v Speaker 3>And are there any shaman or lawyers out there? Let

0:42:28.760 --> 0:42:30.280
<v Speaker 3>us know what you think or both if.

0:42:30.120 --> 0:42:32.600
<v Speaker 1>You're If you're a shaman lawyer, I would love to

0:42:33.200 --> 0:42:38.160
<v Speaker 1>love to hear your what what would that be? Litigious divinations?

0:42:38.200 --> 0:42:41.560
<v Speaker 1>That's genius, man, We could do that, right we We

0:42:41.680 --> 0:42:45.240
<v Speaker 1>also aren't mentioning, you know, Matt, We are not mentioning

0:42:45.320 --> 0:42:50.080
<v Speaker 1>how scientists have grown an ear on the body of

0:42:50.120 --> 0:42:50.600
<v Speaker 1>a mouse.

0:42:50.800 --> 0:42:52.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's I mean, that's something we can do.

0:42:52.320 --> 0:42:55.719
<v Speaker 1>As an ear replacement. Oh no, it's true, it's true.

0:42:55.960 --> 0:42:57.560
<v Speaker 1>Done it Would you do that? Would you if you

0:42:57.560 --> 0:42:59.319
<v Speaker 1>were missing an ear? Would you take a ear grown

0:42:59.360 --> 0:43:00.640
<v Speaker 1>from a wrote it?

0:43:00.640 --> 0:43:02.680
<v Speaker 3>It's irreplaceable, That's.

0:43:02.560 --> 0:43:05.520
<v Speaker 2>What That's what I was feeling. Thank you.

0:43:05.560 --> 0:43:10.480
<v Speaker 1>No, uh, we we come up with these live folks.

0:43:10.640 --> 0:43:14.640
<v Speaker 1>Let us know we're working live for you. But these

0:43:14.719 --> 0:43:17.759
<v Speaker 1>these are so far just pretty much organic things. Right.

0:43:18.680 --> 0:43:23.040
<v Speaker 1>I propose that we pause for break from our sponsor

0:43:23.400 --> 0:43:33.480
<v Speaker 1>and come back and we talk about technology. All right,

0:43:33.560 --> 0:43:37.960
<v Speaker 1>So we are back. The four of us are definitely

0:43:38.080 --> 0:43:43.520
<v Speaker 1>not extraordinary time travelers. But what we could be is biohackers.

0:43:44.360 --> 0:43:47.120
<v Speaker 1>What the hell are biohackers, you may be asking, Well.

0:43:47.080 --> 0:43:50.920
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's people who already have an Apple Watch that monitors,

0:43:50.960 --> 0:43:53.480
<v Speaker 2>you know, their heart rate, how much they sleep, exactly

0:43:53.560 --> 0:43:56.920
<v Speaker 2>what they're eating, what their bowel movements look like, and everything.

0:43:57.360 --> 0:43:59.520
<v Speaker 2>But they just want to know more about what their

0:43:59.520 --> 0:44:01.040
<v Speaker 2>bodies do, and they want to have a little bit

0:44:01.200 --> 0:44:05.640
<v Speaker 2>more of a more apps that they can use in

0:44:05.680 --> 0:44:10.600
<v Speaker 2>the real world, more applicable things. What you call wetwear, right, yeah,

0:44:10.719 --> 0:44:12.839
<v Speaker 2>except instead of just wearing it on your wrist, why

0:44:12.960 --> 0:44:16.160
<v Speaker 2>not put it in your wrist or in your head?

0:44:16.280 --> 0:44:16.919
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, your brain?

0:44:17.480 --> 0:44:25.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yes, m We have the We have the means,

0:44:25.320 --> 0:44:28.279
<v Speaker 1>like in the old, the old beginning of the six

0:44:28.320 --> 0:44:31.279
<v Speaker 1>Million Dollar Man television show, which I've never seen them.

0:44:31.280 --> 0:44:33.160
<v Speaker 1>Just seeing the YouTube clip of the intro, I thought

0:44:33.160 --> 0:44:35.320
<v Speaker 1>that was cool. We have the means to build ourselves

0:44:35.400 --> 0:44:41.560
<v Speaker 1>faster and stronger. And wetwear, yes, is implanted within your body,

0:44:41.680 --> 0:44:45.600
<v Speaker 1>so technically like a pacemaker would be wetwear. This stuff

0:44:45.640 --> 0:44:48.200
<v Speaker 1>is already much more familiar to us, so much more

0:44:48.200 --> 0:44:52.120
<v Speaker 1>common than we think. The folks we call biohackers today

0:44:52.640 --> 0:44:57.120
<v Speaker 1>are making these implants themselves and often in many cases,

0:44:57.280 --> 0:45:01.680
<v Speaker 1>implanting them in themselves without medical supervision all the time,

0:45:02.040 --> 0:45:05.920
<v Speaker 1>which drives some people just bananas. And they you know,

0:45:06.000 --> 0:45:12.960
<v Speaker 1>you you can give yourself certain abilities. Yeah, we'll probably

0:45:12.960 --> 0:45:14.439
<v Speaker 1>do an episode on this too, but.

0:45:14.480 --> 0:45:16.319
<v Speaker 2>Like crazy abilities.

0:45:16.680 --> 0:45:19.640
<v Speaker 1>Okay, okay, the ones we have, the ones that we

0:45:19.840 --> 0:45:23.279
<v Speaker 1>found and listed, are maybe not super amazing, but they're

0:45:23.320 --> 0:45:25.880
<v Speaker 1>they're getting there right now. They're there to prove a point,

0:45:26.000 --> 0:45:30.480
<v Speaker 1>like their ability you can insult things to monitor your

0:45:30.520 --> 0:45:32.280
<v Speaker 1>temperature pretty much an Apple watch.

0:45:32.840 --> 0:45:36.080
<v Speaker 3>Yes, yeah, you're right, you're right, you're right.

0:45:36.120 --> 0:45:40.759
<v Speaker 1>It's inside the ability to sense magnetic north? Though, is

0:45:40.800 --> 0:45:42.200
<v Speaker 1>that one is actually a patch?

0:45:42.480 --> 0:45:45.400
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, to sense magnetics magnetic north. That's cool.

0:45:45.680 --> 0:45:47.680
<v Speaker 1>Well, all it does is they recommend that you put

0:45:47.680 --> 0:45:50.759
<v Speaker 1>the patch high on your chest and then you get

0:45:50.800 --> 0:45:54.000
<v Speaker 1>like a like a buzzy itch thing when you're facing

0:45:54.040 --> 0:45:54.799
<v Speaker 1>magnetic north.

0:45:54.880 --> 0:45:57.240
<v Speaker 2>Isn't that nice? Just every time you look north?

0:45:58.200 --> 0:46:00.719
<v Speaker 1>And who doesn't want yet another unscre agible itch.

0:46:01.320 --> 0:46:04.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean that could be amazing if you're lost

0:46:04.400 --> 0:46:04.920
<v Speaker 2>in the woods.

0:46:05.200 --> 0:46:09.600
<v Speaker 1>True, that's a really good point as long as yeah, no, no,

0:46:09.640 --> 0:46:10.640
<v Speaker 1>that's really it's good.

0:46:10.719 --> 0:46:12.120
<v Speaker 2>It's really good we're a desert.

0:46:12.800 --> 0:46:16.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Then the idea of implanting all kinds of stuff

0:46:16.440 --> 0:46:19.279
<v Speaker 1>in your fingertips, right, I think we did we talk

0:46:19.320 --> 0:46:21.919
<v Speaker 1>about this another who is no only I think maybe

0:46:21.960 --> 0:46:24.160
<v Speaker 1>you and I were talking about this stuff, right, the

0:46:24.160 --> 0:46:27.000
<v Speaker 1>one where you can sense magnetic fields if you're close

0:46:27.040 --> 0:46:27.920
<v Speaker 1>to them.

0:46:28.920 --> 0:46:31.239
<v Speaker 3>Oh, you mean, like the with the radio quiet zone

0:46:31.280 --> 0:46:35.200
<v Speaker 3>and stuff like. People that have sensitivity to electromagnetic fields.

0:46:35.520 --> 0:46:37.440
<v Speaker 1>Oh, yeah, they could do that. I wonder if they

0:46:37.440 --> 0:46:39.319
<v Speaker 1>would be the type to have that implant though.

0:46:39.960 --> 0:46:43.080
<v Speaker 3>No, Well, they would probably want something to shield them

0:46:43.120 --> 0:46:46.040
<v Speaker 3>from said transmissions.

0:46:46.320 --> 0:46:49.120
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, maybe detecting them would help them do that. But

0:46:49.200 --> 0:46:54.360
<v Speaker 1>some some biohackers have put small sensors in their fingertips,

0:46:54.440 --> 0:46:58.040
<v Speaker 1>or even put magnets in their fingertips, which seems neat

0:46:58.120 --> 0:47:00.680
<v Speaker 1>but really inconvenient on a dated basis.

0:47:01.040 --> 0:47:03.720
<v Speaker 2>Just if you if there's an on off switch somewhere

0:47:03.719 --> 0:47:07.480
<v Speaker 2>in your neck maybe or in your upper arm, then cool.

0:47:08.000 --> 0:47:11.320
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that's that's the other question, right. I mean, currently

0:47:11.360 --> 0:47:14.239
<v Speaker 1>these implants are capable or they're more like proof of

0:47:14.280 --> 0:47:18.360
<v Speaker 1>concept things. Yeah, no one's magneto yet, is what we're saying.

0:47:19.080 --> 0:47:22.200
<v Speaker 2>Well, at least magneto hasn't shown up in the middle

0:47:22.239 --> 0:47:24.800
<v Speaker 2>of New York City or Gotham or wherever else Magneto

0:47:24.840 --> 0:47:27.120
<v Speaker 2>can show up. Please don't show up in Gotham, Magneto.

0:47:27.160 --> 0:47:30.960
<v Speaker 2>That would be really cross world and weird. Actually, it

0:47:31.040 --> 0:47:34.560
<v Speaker 2>might read might help help the DC universe.

0:47:35.600 --> 0:47:39.879
<v Speaker 1>So maybe maybe it will, but uh, actually it would

0:47:39.920 --> 0:47:42.360
<v Speaker 1>help them out a lot, at least in the film adaptations.

0:47:42.880 --> 0:47:45.440
<v Speaker 1>But this is just the beginning of something, you know,

0:47:45.680 --> 0:47:48.640
<v Speaker 1>And that's that's the argument they're making. They're paving the way.

0:47:48.680 --> 0:47:53.400
<v Speaker 1>They see themselves as pioneers who are the vanguard for

0:47:53.520 --> 0:47:56.120
<v Speaker 1>something that may become much more common and much more

0:47:56.239 --> 0:47:58.000
<v Speaker 1>powerful in the future.

0:47:58.200 --> 0:48:01.200
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, because it does feel like at some point, and

0:48:02.040 --> 0:48:03.680
<v Speaker 2>you listening out there, what do you think about this,

0:48:03.760 --> 0:48:06.520
<v Speaker 2>But it does feel like we're getting closer and closer

0:48:06.600 --> 0:48:10.000
<v Speaker 2>within the next few hundred years of becoming a lot

0:48:10.080 --> 0:48:14.080
<v Speaker 2>more of a synthetic species. Yeah, transhumanism, right, Yeah, And

0:48:14.440 --> 0:48:17.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't think that necessarily means biohacking in the way

0:48:17.640 --> 0:48:20.520
<v Speaker 2>that it's being pursued right now. I think it's going

0:48:20.560 --> 0:48:24.759
<v Speaker 2>to mean something completely different, much more synthetic than an

0:48:24.960 --> 0:48:28.240
<v Speaker 2>synthetic addition to a biological entity.

0:48:28.680 --> 0:48:34.040
<v Speaker 1>I see what you mean. Yeah, Yeah, something human plus right, yeah,

0:48:34.520 --> 0:48:41.040
<v Speaker 1>or is Noah, you've all Harari calls it homodeis anyway,

0:48:41.600 --> 0:48:44.439
<v Speaker 1>so speaking some of you completely different. This is when

0:48:44.440 --> 0:48:49.000
<v Speaker 1>we put in just because I don't know, it's an ability?

0:48:49.400 --> 0:48:55.280
<v Speaker 1>Is it extraordinary? We're talking about globe luxation two words,

0:48:55.400 --> 0:49:01.320
<v Speaker 1>globe space luxation, lux at io it what is this exactly?

0:49:01.360 --> 0:49:03.680
<v Speaker 2>Well, first of all, you should go ahead and search

0:49:03.719 --> 0:49:06.799
<v Speaker 2>it on YouTube. That's probably the best way to do this.

0:49:07.040 --> 0:49:11.080
<v Speaker 2>It is safe for work, it's fine. Yeah, you'll be okay.

0:49:11.760 --> 0:49:15.000
<v Speaker 2>It's the thing where you've got eyes and then you

0:49:15.000 --> 0:49:17.040
<v Speaker 2>could do this other thing where the eyes kind of

0:49:17.040 --> 0:49:20.640
<v Speaker 2>go pop out a little bit or push out.

0:49:20.719 --> 0:49:22.719
<v Speaker 3>You mean, just like bug out or literally pop out

0:49:22.719 --> 0:49:23.919
<v Speaker 3>and hang by the optic nerve.

0:49:24.120 --> 0:49:26.520
<v Speaker 2>No, and you don't pop them out, but they just

0:49:26.640 --> 0:49:30.480
<v Speaker 2>kind of the partially partially bug go out.

0:49:30.520 --> 0:49:34.279
<v Speaker 1>They're bugging Yeah, yeah, they're bugging out.

0:49:35.120 --> 0:49:35.560
<v Speaker 2>That's it.

0:49:35.680 --> 0:49:38.239
<v Speaker 1>There's a Guinness Book of World Records measurement for this

0:49:38.400 --> 0:49:42.120
<v Speaker 1>for the degree to which people can lux eight perhaps

0:49:42.120 --> 0:49:45.040
<v Speaker 1>would be the word to make their eyes pop out

0:49:45.040 --> 0:49:45.760
<v Speaker 1>of their skulls.

0:49:46.120 --> 0:49:48.040
<v Speaker 2>Ooh, maximum luxation.

0:49:50.400 --> 0:49:54.799
<v Speaker 1>I think that could be a T shirt. But that's

0:49:54.880 --> 0:49:58.080
<v Speaker 1>the question, you know, is it useful. It doesn't seem

0:49:58.080 --> 0:50:00.359
<v Speaker 1>particularly useful. It's interesting, but.

0:50:00.360 --> 0:50:04.120
<v Speaker 3>I mean like it could psych out your enemy. Sure,

0:50:04.239 --> 0:50:05.879
<v Speaker 3>you know, if you were like in a street fight

0:50:06.000 --> 0:50:07.719
<v Speaker 3>or something. That's what I just thought of when you

0:50:07.760 --> 0:50:11.680
<v Speaker 3>said that. Yeah, Matt, it's like you have achieved maximum

0:50:11.760 --> 0:50:14.520
<v Speaker 3>luxation and that's like you know your opponent and then

0:50:14.600 --> 0:50:16.919
<v Speaker 3>it causes the guy you're fighting against to freak out

0:50:17.160 --> 0:50:18.520
<v Speaker 3>and then you punch him in the nuts.

0:50:18.600 --> 0:50:21.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, like the Maori practice of hakka, you know, the

0:50:21.520 --> 0:50:22.440
<v Speaker 1>ritualized dance.

0:50:22.520 --> 0:50:25.600
<v Speaker 2>Oh if you could, if you could hakka and a

0:50:25.640 --> 0:50:28.200
<v Speaker 2>luxeate and now you're onto something haka luxation.

0:50:29.760 --> 0:50:32.840
<v Speaker 1>So while we're talking about eyes, m M, this is

0:50:32.880 --> 0:50:35.360
<v Speaker 1>what we found that's very interesting. We have a couple

0:50:35.400 --> 0:50:38.640
<v Speaker 1>more guys. It's I guess we would call it super

0:50:39.200 --> 0:50:43.400
<v Speaker 1>record reading. It's a very very very specific type of

0:50:43.520 --> 0:50:48.680
<v Speaker 1>super site. You see, there's a medical diagnostician in Philadelphia

0:50:48.840 --> 0:50:54.600
<v Speaker 1>named doctor Arthur Linkin, and doctor l over here can

0:50:55.080 --> 0:50:58.759
<v Speaker 1>do something very weird. He can identify the music on

0:50:59.080 --> 0:51:03.279
<v Speaker 1>a phonographic on a vinyl record just by looking at

0:51:03.320 --> 0:51:05.920
<v Speaker 1>the grooves on its surface. He doesn't have to listen

0:51:05.960 --> 0:51:09.560
<v Speaker 1>to it. He can look at it and he it's

0:51:09.600 --> 0:51:10.800
<v Speaker 1>like he can hear the music.

0:51:11.200 --> 0:51:13.360
<v Speaker 2>Wow, he doesn't even have to feel it or anything,

0:51:13.400 --> 0:51:17.200
<v Speaker 2>because it's just such a tactile medium. With the grooves interview,

0:51:17.280 --> 0:51:20.719
<v Speaker 2>I thought in my head when we were looking into

0:51:20.719 --> 0:51:26.719
<v Speaker 2>this it, I like, I would imagine him feeling the grooves, yeah,

0:51:26.760 --> 0:51:30.120
<v Speaker 2>and almost knowing that way, but just by sight. That's impressive.

0:51:30.280 --> 0:51:35.400
<v Speaker 1>Well. The claim was tested and verified by James Randy Wow,

0:51:35.440 --> 0:51:38.520
<v Speaker 1>who depending on what side of the fence you fall

0:51:38.560 --> 0:51:42.360
<v Speaker 1>on on our show, you either love or hate yeah,

0:51:42.520 --> 0:51:46.960
<v Speaker 1>or in my case, pity. But the now he's done

0:51:47.000 --> 0:51:50.440
<v Speaker 1>important things, I just feel bad for him. But doctor

0:51:50.600 --> 0:51:53.759
<v Speaker 1>Lincoln has a couple of caveats for this. He says

0:51:53.800 --> 0:51:58.759
<v Speaker 1>he can only identify post Beethoven classical music if it's

0:51:58.760 --> 0:52:04.040
<v Speaker 1>fully orchestrated. He cannot identify spoken word recordings or the

0:52:04.080 --> 0:52:09.560
<v Speaker 1>works of contemporary classical composers who are relatively unknown. It's

0:52:09.680 --> 0:52:12.719
<v Speaker 1>kind of like he has to already be somewhat familiar

0:52:12.719 --> 0:52:13.239
<v Speaker 1>with the song.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't know about this, because I mean I always

0:52:18.000 --> 0:52:20.600
<v Speaker 3>have been fascinated by, you know, cutting records and like

0:52:20.680 --> 0:52:23.640
<v Speaker 3>what that entails and the fact that it is somehow

0:52:23.680 --> 0:52:26.880
<v Speaker 3>physically making that sound because you can like have the

0:52:26.920 --> 0:52:29.799
<v Speaker 3>record player the electronics turned off, and you can turn

0:52:29.840 --> 0:52:32.200
<v Speaker 3>the record, rotate it under the needle and you'll still

0:52:32.239 --> 0:52:35.160
<v Speaker 3>actually hear a faint you know, recreation of the sound.

0:52:37.440 --> 0:52:39.000
<v Speaker 3>I would want to know a little bit more about that,

0:52:39.120 --> 0:52:41.759
<v Speaker 3>but I don't know. Like it's sort of like looking

0:52:41.760 --> 0:52:44.600
<v Speaker 3>at a wave form of audio, right, so you could

0:52:44.600 --> 0:52:47.320
<v Speaker 3>maybe identify the peaks and valleys of what a waveform

0:52:47.360 --> 0:52:48.840
<v Speaker 3>looked like and be able to correlate it to a

0:52:48.840 --> 0:52:51.319
<v Speaker 3>particular piece of music if you knew it super well. Yeah,

0:52:51.320 --> 0:52:53.600
<v Speaker 3>you could say, here's those stabs of dun dut dut duh,

0:52:53.960 --> 0:52:55.720
<v Speaker 3>because those are the peaks, and then it gets quiet

0:52:55.719 --> 0:52:58.000
<v Speaker 3>and you could identify that. But I don't know that

0:52:58.400 --> 0:53:03.000
<v Speaker 3>the grooves on a record quite correlate in that same way. Listeners,

0:53:03.040 --> 0:53:04.680
<v Speaker 3>let let us let me know if I'm wrong. But

0:53:05.600 --> 0:53:07.560
<v Speaker 3>I don't know. Maybe maybe it's just a matter of

0:53:07.719 --> 0:53:10.239
<v Speaker 3>familiarizing yourself with it and just learning the language of

0:53:10.480 --> 0:53:11.440
<v Speaker 3>what the grooves look like.

0:53:11.520 --> 0:53:13.840
<v Speaker 1>But I think that's what it has to be. Because

0:53:13.880 --> 0:53:17.480
<v Speaker 1>there's a great article on him in the La Times

0:53:17.640 --> 0:53:21.399
<v Speaker 1>from nineteen eighty seven about the test that Randy gives him,

0:53:21.680 --> 0:53:24.560
<v Speaker 1>and they have a different they have like various records.

0:53:25.400 --> 0:53:29.239
<v Speaker 1>Let me see they had They had some controls, like

0:53:29.280 --> 0:53:33.520
<v Speaker 1>they had two different recordings of Stravinsky's Las Acre du

0:53:33.600 --> 0:53:38.280
<v Speaker 1>pretem and an Alice Cooper recording and has spoken word recording,

0:53:38.400 --> 0:53:41.480
<v Speaker 1>and then they had other stuff that fit into what

0:53:41.840 --> 0:53:45.160
<v Speaker 1>he should be able to read, like the Planets by

0:53:45.200 --> 0:53:50.400
<v Speaker 1>Holst eighteen twelve, overture by Tchaikowsky, Mozart symphonies, and a

0:53:50.440 --> 0:53:54.719
<v Speaker 1>couple of other things. And here's here's the way he

0:53:55.360 --> 0:53:58.720
<v Speaker 1>does this. He's a very very near sighted guy, super

0:53:58.719 --> 0:54:02.680
<v Speaker 1>thick glasses. So they shuffle the recordings. He takes one

0:54:02.680 --> 0:54:05.080
<v Speaker 1>off the pile, he takes his glasses off, He places

0:54:05.120 --> 0:54:08.000
<v Speaker 1>his eye at the edge of the recording and slowly

0:54:08.120 --> 0:54:08.759
<v Speaker 1>rotates it.

0:54:09.760 --> 0:54:10.120
<v Speaker 2>Hmmm.

0:54:10.560 --> 0:54:13.359
<v Speaker 1>As he's watching it, he's slowly rotating it, and.

0:54:13.480 --> 0:54:15.719
<v Speaker 3>He's looking at it like straight on, like a cross.

0:54:15.920 --> 0:54:19.400
<v Speaker 1>They're they're not, I haven't seen video of it. Yeah, interesting,

0:54:19.520 --> 0:54:21.600
<v Speaker 1>but they just said the edge of it. And then

0:54:22.120 --> 0:54:25.920
<v Speaker 1>he said when he made his guess, he said, I

0:54:25.960 --> 0:54:29.560
<v Speaker 1>think that this is Beethoven's sixth Symphony. However, there's an

0:54:29.600 --> 0:54:32.400
<v Speaker 1>extra movement in here that I can't understand. Is it

0:54:32.440 --> 0:54:35.280
<v Speaker 1>a strange recording? And Randy says, you know, I can't

0:54:35.280 --> 0:54:38.839
<v Speaker 1>tell you. We got this whole test thing going on. Yeah. Yeah,

0:54:38.880 --> 0:54:42.040
<v Speaker 1>So the guy keeps reading it, reading this record, and

0:54:42.080 --> 0:54:45.319
<v Speaker 1>then he says, yes, it is the sixth Symphony, but

0:54:45.400 --> 0:54:48.440
<v Speaker 1>it also contains an additional overture that I will guess

0:54:48.520 --> 0:54:52.600
<v Speaker 1>is the Prometheus overture. He was correct, wow, just from

0:54:52.640 --> 0:54:53.600
<v Speaker 1>looking at this stuff.

0:54:54.040 --> 0:54:56.680
<v Speaker 2>And then he did he also he figured out that

0:54:57.080 --> 0:54:59.080
<v Speaker 2>one thing he was looking at he was like, oh man,

0:54:59.120 --> 0:55:01.960
<v Speaker 2>this thing is Sherman or He's like, this thing is

0:55:02.000 --> 0:55:04.839
<v Speaker 2>really weird. It's like disorganized, it's like gibberish. I don't

0:55:04.880 --> 0:55:07.680
<v Speaker 2>understand what's happening in this record? What is this thing?

0:55:07.719 --> 0:55:09.920
<v Speaker 2>And it turned out to be an Alice Cooper record.

0:55:09.840 --> 0:55:14.240
<v Speaker 1>Yes, that was he He didn't say that's totally Alice Cooper,

0:55:14.320 --> 0:55:17.520
<v Speaker 1>but he did say it was jibberish. Yeah. And then

0:55:17.560 --> 0:55:22.879
<v Speaker 1>he was also able to differentiate between like the nationalities, yeah, orchestras,

0:55:23.440 --> 0:55:28.480
<v Speaker 1>which is just insane. I'm tempted to think, I don't know,

0:55:28.560 --> 0:55:31.320
<v Speaker 1>maybe he just spent so much time, like as we

0:55:31.400 --> 0:55:33.759
<v Speaker 1>said earlier, maybe you spent so much time listening to

0:55:33.920 --> 0:55:38.080
<v Speaker 1>records and memorizing their movements and stuff.

0:55:38.239 --> 0:55:40.560
<v Speaker 2>But it does mean he's looking at records.

0:55:40.200 --> 0:55:41.560
<v Speaker 1>A whole lot a ton.

0:55:41.760 --> 0:55:44.920
<v Speaker 3>At the very least, it's a very interesting way to

0:55:44.960 --> 0:55:45.600
<v Speaker 3>pass the time.

0:55:46.400 --> 0:55:46.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:55:47.040 --> 0:55:47.239
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:55:47.360 --> 0:55:49.239
<v Speaker 3>And also he said he listens to them too. Do

0:55:49.280 --> 0:55:50.960
<v Speaker 3>you think he enjoys music or is he's just sort

0:55:50.960 --> 0:55:53.880
<v Speaker 3>of like this highly neurotic record viewer.

0:55:54.120 --> 0:55:56.320
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. He I think he has to listen

0:55:56.360 --> 0:55:59.440
<v Speaker 1>to them because then his because then his mind is

0:55:59.440 --> 0:56:03.239
<v Speaker 1>associated two senses to kind of confirm what's happening. So

0:56:03.280 --> 0:56:05.360
<v Speaker 1>he's watching the thing and in his head he's hearing

0:56:05.400 --> 0:56:05.799
<v Speaker 1>the song.

0:56:05.920 --> 0:56:08.480
<v Speaker 3>But see, my thing is this, like if I knew

0:56:08.520 --> 0:56:12.239
<v Speaker 3>what record, if I knew intimately the look of a

0:56:12.280 --> 0:56:15.520
<v Speaker 3>particular record, I could tell because there's thick lines between

0:56:15.560 --> 0:56:18.880
<v Speaker 3>the songs, right, and there's only like some records you

0:56:18.920 --> 0:56:21.160
<v Speaker 3>can't fit enough on one side that there's a lot

0:56:21.200 --> 0:56:23.279
<v Speaker 3>of empty space in the center, right, So there's like

0:56:23.360 --> 0:56:25.800
<v Speaker 3>a portion of the vinyl in the interior that's blank

0:56:25.840 --> 0:56:28.319
<v Speaker 3>and a smooth So I would argue that if you

0:56:28.440 --> 0:56:31.719
<v Speaker 3>just memorized the look of a record, like in terms

0:56:31.760 --> 0:56:33.799
<v Speaker 3>of how many tracks were on each side and how

0:56:33.880 --> 0:56:35.840
<v Speaker 3>much empty space there was and what it looked like,

0:56:36.640 --> 0:56:38.440
<v Speaker 3>you could have like a signature in your head of oh,

0:56:38.520 --> 0:56:40.440
<v Speaker 3>this is what the planet looks like. This is what

0:56:40.719 --> 0:56:42.840
<v Speaker 3>Houses of the Holy by led Zeppelin looks like. You know,

0:56:42.880 --> 0:56:44.799
<v Speaker 3>you could totally file that away in your mind without

0:56:44.800 --> 0:56:48.480
<v Speaker 3>actually being able to interpret magically through sight, you know,

0:56:48.719 --> 0:56:50.400
<v Speaker 3>the sound of the look of the records.

0:56:50.480 --> 0:56:54.160
<v Speaker 1>But that's I mean, the only that's that's where I

0:56:54.200 --> 0:56:56.680
<v Speaker 1>think I'm at as well, the only, And that's what

0:56:56.880 --> 0:57:00.279
<v Speaker 1>Randy concluded, by the way, something like that, but a

0:57:00.320 --> 0:57:04.680
<v Speaker 1>little more. The language uses a little different, but it's

0:57:04.719 --> 0:57:07.560
<v Speaker 1>more or less the same thing. The big test then

0:57:07.960 --> 0:57:12.320
<v Speaker 1>would be whether doctor Linkin could look at a record

0:57:12.600 --> 0:57:16.440
<v Speaker 1>from a song you never heard and then sing along.

0:57:17.120 --> 0:57:20.320
<v Speaker 1>That would be that would be showing this ability. He

0:57:20.360 --> 0:57:21.520
<v Speaker 1>would be a human record play.

0:57:21.640 --> 0:57:23.240
<v Speaker 3>That would be the next level. That would be sure.

0:57:23.280 --> 0:57:27.080
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, absolutely, But there is another form of supersite that

0:57:27.240 --> 0:57:30.760
<v Speaker 1>is a lot more useful. This is very interesting, But

0:57:30.840 --> 0:57:36.120
<v Speaker 1>I don't think I don't think super record reading qualifies

0:57:36.480 --> 0:57:39.840
<v Speaker 1>for Avenger level, but supersite just might.

0:57:40.600 --> 0:57:45.520
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so super site, now we're not we aren't necessarily

0:57:45.600 --> 0:57:53.280
<v Speaker 2>talking like eagle Vision or laser site or cyclops stuff

0:57:53.320 --> 0:57:57.440
<v Speaker 2>going on in this in this world, in this version

0:57:57.480 --> 0:58:01.440
<v Speaker 2>of our superheroes. We're talking about a will just supersite,

0:58:01.480 --> 0:58:09.520
<v Speaker 2>amazingly good seeing Veronica Cedar Sider of Stuttgart, Germany. She

0:58:09.640 --> 0:58:13.280
<v Speaker 2>holds the record of having the absolute best eyesight in

0:58:13.320 --> 0:58:17.200
<v Speaker 2>the world. So I have I'm terribly nearsighted. I don't

0:58:17.240 --> 0:58:18.720
<v Speaker 2>know about you guys, if you have any of that

0:58:18.800 --> 0:58:23.480
<v Speaker 2>stuff going on, but my visual acuity is nowhere near

0:58:23.480 --> 0:58:27.480
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty, which is considered average good, that's what human

0:58:27.640 --> 0:58:32.200
<v Speaker 2>vision should be. But she has been measured around twenty.

0:58:32.200 --> 0:58:35.560
<v Speaker 1>Two twenty slash two, yeah.

0:58:35.040 --> 0:58:38.360
<v Speaker 2>Not twenty twenty twenty two. This means she can identify

0:58:38.440 --> 0:58:42.280
<v Speaker 2>people from more than a mile away. Yeah, she can

0:58:42.320 --> 0:58:43.920
<v Speaker 2>identify tiny little people.

0:58:44.720 --> 0:58:46.760
<v Speaker 1>So would be a great sniper.

0:58:46.440 --> 0:58:48.840
<v Speaker 2>Right, Yeah, that's exactly what it is.

0:58:50.040 --> 0:58:54.800
<v Speaker 1>And that's strange because surely there's a genetic component to that.

0:58:55.840 --> 0:58:58.240
<v Speaker 1>But how do we how do we find that gene

0:58:58.280 --> 0:59:00.360
<v Speaker 1>how do we isolate it? How do we expel us it?

0:59:02.320 --> 0:59:07.200
<v Speaker 1>I was looking ardently too, for someone with super speed,

0:59:07.840 --> 0:59:10.680
<v Speaker 1>like a flash. Yeah, like a flash. So not in

0:59:10.800 --> 0:59:15.320
<v Speaker 1>Hussain Bolt, who is very fast over short distances, but

0:59:15.520 --> 0:59:18.800
<v Speaker 1>someone who's very fast running at one type of speed.

0:59:19.080 --> 0:59:23.920
<v Speaker 1>But it was looking for something that was just super

0:59:23.960 --> 0:59:27.480
<v Speaker 1>speed in general, and the closest I could find was

0:59:27.680 --> 0:59:31.680
<v Speaker 1>what we I guess we could call super reflexes. There's

0:59:31.720 --> 0:59:35.960
<v Speaker 1>a there's a guy who holds a very very specific

0:59:36.000 --> 0:59:38.280
<v Speaker 1>record for this in the Guinness Book of World Records,

0:59:38.560 --> 0:59:41.880
<v Speaker 1>which is admittedly not the not the most solid source.

0:59:42.320 --> 0:59:47.560
<v Speaker 1>But his name is Isau Machi and he is from Chiota, Tokyo, Japan.

0:59:48.720 --> 0:59:53.440
<v Speaker 1>He is fast enough with his sword that he can

0:59:53.640 --> 0:59:59.360
<v Speaker 1>cut BB pellets in half and the let's see, I

0:59:59.360 --> 1:00:01.120
<v Speaker 1>think there's.

1:00:01.000 --> 1:00:02.800
<v Speaker 2>A video you can watch of this. I remember seeing

1:00:02.840 --> 1:00:05.800
<v Speaker 2>this on Reddit slash videos.

1:00:06.000 --> 1:00:09.840
<v Speaker 1>And that says that that to me, it seems to

1:00:09.840 --> 1:00:15.640
<v Speaker 1>indicate that his reaction time is much much quicker than

1:00:15.960 --> 1:00:20.680
<v Speaker 1>the average bear or the average sword wielding bear. Absolutely,

1:00:21.360 --> 1:00:24.560
<v Speaker 1>so this this seems neat. Now this is a question

1:00:25.440 --> 1:00:28.280
<v Speaker 1>for the audience. Is this something that has learned or

1:00:28.360 --> 1:00:31.200
<v Speaker 1>is this something genetic? You know what I mean? Aside

1:00:31.240 --> 1:00:34.160
<v Speaker 1>from the technique you have to learn to wield a sword.

1:00:34.560 --> 1:00:36.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there are a lot of proper techniques that take

1:00:36.880 --> 1:00:39.760
<v Speaker 2>a long time to learn that I think he's yeah,

1:00:39.880 --> 1:00:42.080
<v Speaker 2>probably had to have mastered to be able to do this.

1:00:42.280 --> 1:00:44.280
<v Speaker 1>But like, okay, here's the question. If you were playing

1:00:44.280 --> 1:00:46.960
<v Speaker 1>Whack a mole or something. Would he be the world

1:00:47.040 --> 1:00:53.200
<v Speaker 1>champion of that too? Would he just be like maybe

1:00:53.480 --> 1:00:55.400
<v Speaker 1>because he would react so quickly.

1:00:56.960 --> 1:00:57.400
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

1:00:57.920 --> 1:00:58.720
<v Speaker 1>It's a good question.

1:00:58.840 --> 1:01:01.000
<v Speaker 2>We should put him in front of on those machines.

1:01:01.480 --> 1:01:03.080
<v Speaker 1>We should write to him. He set the record in

1:01:03.160 --> 1:01:06.080
<v Speaker 1>twenty thirteen. He's probably still around. Oh yeah, and you

1:01:06.120 --> 1:01:09.960
<v Speaker 1>know what I Betty replies to emails very quickly. Oh

1:01:10.000 --> 1:01:14.040
<v Speaker 1>that was not worth it. But these are some of

1:01:14.080 --> 1:01:19.360
<v Speaker 1>the powers we collected today, and yes, some of them

1:01:19.440 --> 1:01:23.360
<v Speaker 1>may seem more useful than others. But it leads us

1:01:23.400 --> 1:01:26.439
<v Speaker 1>to a big question that I don't think we quite

1:01:26.520 --> 1:01:29.320
<v Speaker 1>answered in our first episode of this series, and that

1:01:29.440 --> 1:01:33.480
<v Speaker 1>question is why does this actually matter? Right so far,

1:01:33.520 --> 1:01:37.480
<v Speaker 1>it sounds pretty inspiring or at least interesting through various means,

1:01:37.520 --> 1:01:40.439
<v Speaker 1>certain parts of the human population, As you said, Matt,

1:01:40.600 --> 1:01:44.000
<v Speaker 1>very small parts of the human population have acquired fascinating

1:01:44.200 --> 1:01:48.560
<v Speaker 1>and at times supremely useful abilities, and people will even

1:01:48.640 --> 1:01:53.920
<v Speaker 1>argue that certain things, their genetic disadvantages, are themselves extraordinary abilities.

1:01:54.520 --> 1:01:58.040
<v Speaker 1>I'm partially colorblind, but if someone was like Ben, what

1:01:58.080 --> 1:02:01.000
<v Speaker 1>are you going to do with this amazing ability to

1:02:01.200 --> 1:02:05.520
<v Speaker 1>not see all the colors. I would shrug because it's

1:02:05.680 --> 1:02:12.080
<v Speaker 1>it seems relatively useless, right, But at this point, there's

1:02:12.160 --> 1:02:16.360
<v Speaker 1>no threat of an ascendant superhuman class, right, a race

1:02:16.400 --> 1:02:17.520
<v Speaker 1>of superior.

1:02:17.040 --> 1:02:19.840
<v Speaker 2>People, thank goodness.

1:02:20.040 --> 1:02:23.560
<v Speaker 1>Kind of there's kind of not the billionaires, but there is. Yeah,

1:02:23.640 --> 1:02:25.800
<v Speaker 1>that's the thing. There is a threat of this happening

1:02:26.000 --> 1:02:29.360
<v Speaker 1>because as we speak, as we record today, in twenty eighteen,

1:02:30.000 --> 1:02:34.280
<v Speaker 1>three countries have been conducting extensive research on human enhancement

1:02:34.440 --> 1:02:38.320
<v Speaker 1>projects that touch on almost every single ability we mentioned

1:02:38.320 --> 1:02:43.360
<v Speaker 1>in this series, with the exception except for globe luxation, yes,

1:02:43.400 --> 1:02:48.520
<v Speaker 1>and maximum luxation thank you. Yes, the Pentagon is not

1:02:48.680 --> 1:02:52.960
<v Speaker 1>as concerned with that yet. But we know for a

1:02:53.000 --> 1:02:56.280
<v Speaker 1>fact that not only three countries doing this, but they

1:02:56.320 --> 1:03:00.479
<v Speaker 1>have been doing it for years, for possibly decades, well,

1:03:00.520 --> 1:03:04.920
<v Speaker 1>definitely decades now it's twenty eighteen. Back in the nineties

1:03:04.960 --> 1:03:08.320
<v Speaker 1>and late eighties, the US, particularly the Pentagon, began investing

1:03:08.440 --> 1:03:10.680
<v Speaker 1>huge amounts of money and research in the creation of

1:03:10.760 --> 1:03:16.200
<v Speaker 1>super soldiers, individuals enhanced through technology, drug use, and nowadays,

1:03:16.240 --> 1:03:19.920
<v Speaker 1>in the future the very near future, genetic alteration to

1:03:19.960 --> 1:03:24.720
<v Speaker 1>make them impervious to pain with superhuman stamina, super strength reflexes.

1:03:25.200 --> 1:03:29.960
<v Speaker 1>That put is how Machi to shame and even superhuman

1:03:30.000 --> 1:03:33.280
<v Speaker 1>intellect and no need to sleep. But here's the frightening thing.

1:03:33.480 --> 1:03:36.440
<v Speaker 1>The US government claims that they started doing this because

1:03:36.560 --> 1:03:39.400
<v Speaker 1>China and Russia, for the Soviet Union at the time,

1:03:39.440 --> 1:03:45.480
<v Speaker 1>were already operating enhanced human programs for similar purposes to

1:03:45.600 --> 1:03:49.280
<v Speaker 1>build super soldiers. And the implied threat here is that

1:03:49.400 --> 1:03:53.480
<v Speaker 1>other nations do this without following the same ethical constraints

1:03:53.920 --> 1:03:57.000
<v Speaker 1>as the US does in theory on paper, but you

1:03:57.120 --> 1:03:58.200
<v Speaker 1>know whatever.

1:03:58.320 --> 1:04:00.840
<v Speaker 2>That is really freaky, especially when you think about some

1:04:00.880 --> 1:04:04.080
<v Speaker 2>of the efforts that Germany was making back in the

1:04:04.160 --> 1:04:07.280
<v Speaker 2>day to you know, make the uber bench and actually

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<v Speaker 2>I guess non genetic manipulation, but some breeding stuff that

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<v Speaker 2>was going on and some of the there was some

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<v Speaker 2>creepiness going on in Germany. And to think that it's

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<v Speaker 2>spread out amongst all these other superpowers, now.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, right, because the Soviet Union in China survived World

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<v Speaker 1>War Two but Germany did not, just a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>its scientists. Yeah. So yeah, and then even in the

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<v Speaker 1>recent years, you know, news came and went about China's

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<v Speaker 1>alleged eugenics program for basketball players, which has a surprising

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<v Speaker 1>amount of sand to it. So that's the conclusion today.

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<v Speaker 1>The scary thing is the superpowers themselves want superpowers, and

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<v Speaker 1>they're not going to stop researching them. People, most likely

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<v Speaker 1>soldiers and analysts with extraordinary abilities, are on the way,

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<v Speaker 1>and the only debate now is who will get them

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<v Speaker 1>and how these powers will be used. People who are already

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<v Speaker 1>arguing this violates the Geneva conventions, but there's not really

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, there's not really a compelling way to stop this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, even to get it on the books anywhere. If

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<v Speaker 2>it's happening beneath the black budget of let's say a

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<v Speaker 2>Pentagon or some other you know, more secretive budget.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I don't know. I mean, what do you think

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<v Speaker 1>is it already I this is just my opinion, but

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<v Speaker 1>I feel like it's already gone too far, and the

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<v Speaker 1>possible medical benefits are so attractive and have the potential

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<v Speaker 1>to help so many people that they will always be

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<v Speaker 1>used as a rationalization to build like these unsleeping, unfeeling

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<v Speaker 1>murder machines.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's not needed anymore. For the same reason

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<v Speaker 2>that I don't understand the biohacking, wetwear stuff. All of

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<v Speaker 2>that kind of research has been switched over to artificial intelligence.

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<v Speaker 2>And drones and robotic that because you don't need a human,

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<v Speaker 2>you don't need to breed a human, you just build

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<v Speaker 2>a thing.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, but you don't think it's sort of an extension

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<v Speaker 3>of like extreme body modification culture and kind of fads

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<v Speaker 3>or whatever, like the idea of being the complete architect

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<v Speaker 3>of your own physicality.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh no, no, I see that. I see that. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>speaking specifically to superpowers, the national countries, the superpowers trying

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<v Speaker 2>to create super human soldiers.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh sure, I'm just saying it seems like the time

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<v Speaker 3>for that is past.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, it's still there, and it's creepy that

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<v Speaker 2>they're doing it. They're probably still doing it because why

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<v Speaker 2>would you stop. It's just there's probably not as much

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<v Speaker 2>money going into it as there is going into the

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<v Speaker 2>AI cheap drones kind of thing.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, it also depends on the nature of the military.

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<v Speaker 1>So one of the greatest resources that the military of

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<v Speaker 1>China has is a massive population. So is it at

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<v Speaker 1>what at what point is it more cost effective to

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<v Speaker 1>modify those people versus manufacturing a drone. It's a weird

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<v Speaker 1>way to think about it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's a good way to think about it. It's brutal

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<v Speaker 3>not good. It's I mean, yeah, because to some and

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<v Speaker 3>at some point in some society, perhaps the cost of

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<v Speaker 3>human life is cheaper than the cost of good tech.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there's also the AI problem, which is right now,

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<v Speaker 1>most of what we think of as AI is not

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<v Speaker 1>a machine consciousness. It's something that is able to solve

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<v Speaker 1>certain problems very well or maybe find certain patterns right

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<v Speaker 1>very quickly.

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<v Speaker 2>Think about it this way, though, to grow an effective

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<v Speaker 2>combat ready human being, it takes what fifteen to eighteen years.

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<v Speaker 1>Hmm, yeah, that's a good point too.

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<v Speaker 2>So to make a you could mass produce a drone

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<v Speaker 2>I mean pretty easily and pretty cheaply at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, we have to be privy to some numbers

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<v Speaker 1>that would be pretty frightening, yeah, to make the call

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<v Speaker 1>on that. But I bring up the AI because would

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<v Speaker 1>it be better to enhance. So AI doesn't have the

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<v Speaker 1>capability and in some cases it's ethically constrained from making

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<v Speaker 1>some decisions, right, It doesn't have the ability to make

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<v Speaker 1>all the nuances of analysis that a human can at

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<v Speaker 1>this point. So if we're warmongers, right, if we're war leaders,

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<v Speaker 1>do we make an imperfect AI, or do we bend

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<v Speaker 1>the rules of ethics and hook someone up such that

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<v Speaker 1>through implants they can communicate directly with a drone or

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<v Speaker 1>with a machine. And then, hey, while we're in their brain,

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<v Speaker 1>why don't we put in an implant that we'll be

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<v Speaker 1>able to deliver systemized instructions to them or turn off

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<v Speaker 1>emotional reactions, both of which are.

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<v Speaker 3>Possible, or you know, explode it they try to run away.

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<v Speaker 1>Both, you know what I mean. Make it a one

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<v Speaker 1>stop shop. Let's just let's go for it. I could

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<v Speaker 1>see that happening, and I could see people signing up

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<v Speaker 1>to don't jay at the korams and so on, don't

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<v Speaker 1>listen to him.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, what do you think? Let us know, there's a

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<v Speaker 3>lot to chew on here. This has been a fun one, Ben,

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<v Speaker 3>You're right. These were a little different than the ones

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<v Speaker 3>in our part one episode. And I get the connection

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<v Speaker 3>to the Great Lakes Avengers now because some of their

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<v Speaker 3>powers are a little, shall we say, underwhelming. But wrapped

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<v Speaker 3>up in some of these slightly useless and underwhelming powers

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<v Speaker 3>are a lot of good thought experiments and interesting ideas,

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<v Speaker 3>and the notion of what it means to be human,

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<v Speaker 3>I think is really at the forefront of these discussions.

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<v Speaker 3>So I'm really into it and I thought it was

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<v Speaker 3>a fun one.

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